WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:05.960 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:11.880 And this must be the worst weekend of all for the box office. I 3 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:17.120 know movie theaters from coast to coast are just begging, begging for the summer 4 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:20.920 season to begin, because there's no way in the world that theaters can survive 5 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:26.800 off this listless box office. You heard the review from Mark Ronner on Friday 6 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.839 for The Fall Guy. The good news is it came in at number one. 7 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:37.039 The bad news is only twenty seven million, which doesn't mean a lot 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:41.159 for theater business on a day to day basis. And the number two movie 9 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:47.840 in all of America Star Wars Episode one, The Phantom Menace, a re 10 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:52.200 release which originally came out in nineteen ninety nine. This is the twenty fifth 11 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:56.399 anniversary, and of course it was Star Wars weekend. May the fourth be 12 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.920 with you and all that. Do you remember where you were when you first 13 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.799 saw The Phantom Menace. I'm glad that I asked, because I remember I 14 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.560 was working for Warner Brothers Records, and to all of you probably have a 15 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.120 similar story. I was working for Warner Brothers Records. I worked late that 16 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.680 night and I got in line, purchased my ticket early, got in line, 17 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:21.239 stood in line for hours waiting for like the twelve thirty post midnight show. 18 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.519 The movie didn't end to almost three in the morning. I went home, 19 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.359 got two hours of sleep, and went right into the office. I 20 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:33.680 remember, and Mark Ronnie, you probably agree with this. I remember how 21 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.760 disappointed I was at that movie, with the exception of Darth Maul. With 22 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.000 Darth Maul the pod race, the pod race was cool. Everything else, 23 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.439 Darth Maul, pod Race, everything else. Yeah, the soundtrack track was 24 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.359 good. Oh yeah, yes, fit the Duly Fates. Yeah, that 25 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.920 was great. Yeah, I was terrible. In fact, I remember at 26 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.959 the time, I believe I was working at the Seattle Times and I was 27 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.159 reporting on people camping out in line for days and days to get into the 28 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:09.080 movie first. That was their reward that movie. Hey, look, you're 29 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.120 basically talking to one. I didn't camp out for days, but I was 30 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.360 there for a bunch of hours waiting for that movie opening night. I remember 31 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.439 I saw it in Westwood, as a matter of fact, because I was 32 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.960 living on the west side of town at that time. It was that whole 33 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:29.919 jar Jar Binks thing. Oh that was unbearable. That was unbearable. The 34 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.080 thing is, though, I didn't have to camp out because I was working 35 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:36.520 at of course, at the Beat at the time, and a bunch of 36 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.400 people from the station they had got we got tickets for I believe it's like 37 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:46.319 a midnight or twelve thir or something showing at the Man Chinese. So I 38 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.039 was still at the station. I said, I'm gonna wait here a little 39 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.759 more work, waited, and then went over there just like you got out 40 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.400 blurry eyed. But I enjoyed myself. We had fun, and I think 41 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.759 I enjoyed the experience. Maybe not the movie because that that whole Anakin and 42 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.800 the Midi chloreans and all that that was like, give me a break, 43 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.879 But the experience those standing in line late at night took me back to when 44 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:13.680 I was a kid. Yeah, I enjoyed that experience. I just felt 45 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:20.520 very disappointed with the final product, if only because I felt it was Ewok 46 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.879 adjacent. Yeah, if you're not a real Star Wars fan, you may 47 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.280 not remember. Return of the Jedi had a very different treatment when it originally 48 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.439 came out in nineteen eighty three. They had this whole Ewok song that they 49 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:36.960 were playing on the radio. It was made almost for kids. It's a 50 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.560 very different movie that you see now. They've redone a lot of things with 51 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:45.800 it. I felt the Phantom Menace was trying to do a lot of the 52 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.159 similar stuff from Return of the Jedi. The whole thing with Jar Jar Binks 53 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.080 is like, who are you trying to appeal to? It's not serious, 54 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.080 not Star Wars. The movie didn't work for me outside of Darth Maul pod 55 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:00.639 racing was fine, but that was kind of a beat by beat thing where 56 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:05.240 in every Star Wars movie you have the opening action scene, you have the 57 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.840 mid scene where there's some sort of racing or something fast going on, like 58 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.800 in Return of the Jedi you have it in the forest, didn't have the 59 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.439 big battle scene at the end. It hit all those beats, those Star 60 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:19.439 Wars beats. Those are fine, but it seemed like it was trending in 61 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:24.600 that direction where they were trying too hard for the humor as opposed to letting 62 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:29.480 it more naturally happen. Han Solo's character, his lines were naturally funny. 63 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.079 Phantom mens it seemed like, oh, they're just going for jokes now, 64 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.199 and it didn't. It didn't work for me and plus the actors were very, 65 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:41.399 very dry, So yes, it didn't hit. It didn't hit Lim's 66 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:46.279 Nissen and McGregor and them. Nah, their humor was not good. The 67 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.560 kid was stupid. It was stupid, right, the kid was stupid, 68 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:56.279 grows up to become Darth Vader. No way, no way, no way. 69 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.879 Well, to me, the only good part of the whole trilogy that 70 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.439 was the buddy cop Jedis and the rest of it was painfully bad. And 71 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:08.319 you bring up jar Jar Binks. I mean, I don't know if you 72 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:13.000 want to go there, but I along with the fact that it signaled there 73 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.160 was nobody around George Lucas to telling me ho had a bad idea and like, 74 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.959 maybe this isn't such a great thing we want to put on there. 75 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.079 Well, you know, maybe they were trying to appeal to the elderly folks 76 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:26.920 who missed the old minstrel shows from their youth. It was right there. 77 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.160 You know, I'm my best actor who played jar Jar Binks and that really 78 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.560 disappointed me because he's a black actor and he should have known better. I 79 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.600 feel bad for him because I've read stories about his life after that. He 80 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.160 didn't deserve that. No, now, the amount of abuse that he took 81 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:49.639 after that. It literally led him to the Golden gate Bridge and he was 82 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:53.839 going to jump and take his life, and I'm glad he did not, 83 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.040 and I'm glad he has the story to pass along to a son, especially 84 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.759 because of what he did. Return learning to the Star Wars franchise is one 85 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:09.839 of the most badass jedis in the worst co series The Serius No No, 86 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.439 No, No Man Lauren and Lauren. Yes, however it was still it 87 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.560 was. It was a nice ending to his particular story, The Phantom Menace. 88 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:23.439 I don't hate it, but I hate that they killed off Darth Maul. 89 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.639 It was a great character. Would have loved to have seen him the 90 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.959 next two movies, but no, we ended up with Dooku. You know. 91 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.160 It was old and Geritoh no, That's why. That's why the animated 92 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.839 series was so good, because his story did not end. His story in 93 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:44.959 the series. You're never gonna hear me complain about Christopher Lee being in something. 94 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:49.920 He's terrific, But he was nearly dead at the time, literally literally 95 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:56.040 nearly dead. And I liked him as an actor. I just as someone 96 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:00.439 to supplant Darth Maul. It's like, no, no, you had a 97 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:06.839 great villain, someone who was worthy of preceding Darth Vader. Oh and is 98 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.319 a terrific martial artist as well. Yes, like the real deal. Oh 99 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:15.519 no, no, no, I look we know Ray Park. Tawala was 100 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:20.240 even hanging out with Ray Park. Cool ass dude. Okay, look his 101 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:24.319 voice threw me. I did not, because when I saw him, I 102 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.439 said, oh my god, you're Ray Park. And he had this voice 103 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.680 one an accident, but also this voice that was very very almost high almost 104 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:38.279 high pitched in tone, and so I was like, oh, yeah, 105 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.040 they really did do it a voiceover. But yeah, I met Ray Park 106 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:46.279 and hung out with him at the The Force Awakens World premiere. Amazingly cool 107 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:50.639 guy, amazingly cool, like so cool. And I'm sitting there geeking out, 108 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:56.399 like your Ray Park. You are the man to just and just all 109 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.439 the villain. This work he's done, he was told and he is. 110 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.600 He has stuff. Yes, yes he was, Yes he was. See 111 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.399 now Tony, now your nurse that's coming out. I love him. But 112 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.279 we say all that to say, you know, it's bittersweet. Twenty five 113 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.319 years ago, The Phantom Menace Star Wars Episode one, The Phantom Menace debut 114 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:24.040 in theaters, but it also tells you the lasting impact of Star Wars that 115 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:30.360 Universe. Twenty five years later, one of the lesser regarded movies of the 116 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:35.519 nine still is the number two movie in all of America. Well, that 117 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.159 means the bar is really low. And by the way, it is with 118 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.600 twenty eight million bucks for The Fall Guy. That thing cost one hundred and 119 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:46.039 thirty million to make. They got a lot to go. Yeah, that's 120 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.720 a road. No they're not. It's not gonna be any better after the 121 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.440 first weekend. Nope, it's gonna cut in half by next week and then 122 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:58.159 we're gonna see it on cable really fast. I'm almost disappointed. I didn't 123 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.200 see it at theaters, Like not really. Oh no, no, it 124 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.120 was painful for me to sit through. It's Later with Mo Kelly when we 125 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.600 come back. There is some good news on the entertainment front in the sense 126 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:15.360 of contracts. Sag After has inked to deal with Nielsen to measure streaming content 127 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:20.440 that's going to have all sorts of repercussions. I would say positive ones for 128 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.320 contracts down the road. We'll tell you about it next. You're listening to 129 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.600 Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty. Remember you can 130 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.879 always hit me on Instagram at later with Moe Kelly. Also on Facebook at 131 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.440 later with mo Kelly. As we broaden our social media footprint. You may 132 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.639 remember last year. Of course, you remember we talked about it frequently during 133 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:48.440 the actor strike and the writer strike. One of the key sticking points was 134 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:58.679 streaming being paid adequately for streams, being paid adequately for working on streaming shows, 135 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.600 getting enough episodes, and also the metrics involved. For the most part, 136 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.399 streaming platforms were very very close to the vests with their numbers. They 137 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:15.200 did not share them publicly or even privately for that matter, and actors and 138 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:20.720 writers knew that they were missing out on some degree of residuals. Well sag 139 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:26.639 After has now cut a deal with Nielsen to be a third party provider of 140 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.879 streaming content measurement. And this is really important because, as I was saying, 141 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.840 there was no way to really monitor how often people were watching, or 142 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:39.759 what they're watching, or how long they're watching it. They didn't have the 143 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:45.960 metrics outside of what the streaming platforms would tell you or me, and that 144 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:54.720 was basically nothing. Netflix, Prime Video and Peacock they are the platforms which 145 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.279 you would see all these bona fide hit shows. And the deal saw that 146 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:05.120 streamers agree to release some data privately to the union to help gauge what shows 147 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.720 or hits and which are not. And also they can be residuals which can 148 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.559 be tallied from that. The Nielsen deal suggests that the union wants to be 149 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.519 sure that there's another party involved for forecasting and enforcement. In other words, 150 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:24.360 you have someone on those We don't have to just take Netflix's numbers for granted, 151 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.799 We don't have to just take them at their word just because they say, 152 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.120 yeah, you know that squid game thing, only two people saw it. 153 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.919 Only two people watched it, you know, over six months. It's 154 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.879 really a shame. It didn't make any money. And we're not necessarily obligated 155 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:46.120 to pay anyone because of that. And this is what needed to be done 156 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:52.759 to ensure actors and writers have a backstop, to ensure that the deals are 157 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.879 not only fair, but they're being enforced. It's one thing to have it 158 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:03.320 on paper, but if you don't have the measuring, the yardstick to somehow 159 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:09.360 validate and verify how often something's been watched, how long something's been watched how 160 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.720 many times? Then it's very difficult to actually go to these streaming platforms and 161 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.879 get the money that you deserve as an actor and also a content creator. 162 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.519 This is going to change everything now. In radio they have that to a 163 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:28.519 certain degree, but they didn't have it in television enter entertainment in regard to 164 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.960 streaming, which is kind of strange. You would think Nielsen would have been 165 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.480 way out in front of that. But I guess it's easier, correct me 166 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.279 if I'm wrong, Mark. Maybe it's easier because it was broadcast television and 167 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.480 those are public signals and they could monitor that as opposed to the private signals 168 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.159 where they didn't have to give up any of that information. Well, they've 169 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.679 kept that so close to the vest that there's no way for even us to 170 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:56.919 know without I mean, let me try to gather my thoughts here. You 171 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.080 brought up Squid Game, which was a perfect example of this, because the 172 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.720 show is a massive, massive hit for Netflix, and they weren't given the 173 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.399 people who made it anything. You remember that, not a time, not 174 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.600 a dime, not the actors, not the writers, not a dime. 175 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.039 They bought it and that was it. They got a flat rate, right, 176 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.039 So We have to have more transparency just for basic you know, paying 177 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:28.879 people what they're owed, and also we get a better sense as a viewer 178 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.679 what people actually like. It's one thing when we put on Netflix and it 179 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.159 says it's the top ten, Well, what does that mean? It is 180 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.559 one and two? Are they equidistant from three and four? How close is 181 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.440 number five to number one? I'm all into those statistics, but we really 182 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:52.399 never had a true sense of how much something was actually valued by you and 183 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.200 me. I mean, how often were or how long people were spending time 184 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.159 with these titles, not just squid Game, but anything which may be at 185 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.080 the top of the charts in the given week. We had Rebel Moon, 186 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.440 which was at the top of the charts for just one week. Now I 187 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:07.759 think it's dropped to number seven, and rightfully so, because it sucked. 188 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.080 Oh yeah, you actually did you watch part two? Because part one was 189 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.679 so bad? I cut my losses. No, no, no, I 190 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.720 started part two and I stopped because people were singing too much. There's a 191 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.279 lot of singing. Oh god, now, Ja Walla corrected me. He 192 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:28.559 said, no, they weren't singing. He was like he was yodling or 193 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.159 something. I don't know what, well, I said, he said, 194 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.360 what it wasn't singing. I said, it was singing to me. They 195 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.320 wasn't singing. It was a tribal chant. Well, there it is, 196 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.360 Okay, a tribal chant with melody. Okay. Look, it was like 197 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.840 it was a tribal thing, and that's why he wanted to include it. 198 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.360 It wasn't that bad. I mean, come on, look, it was 199 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:54.440 fine for something being included in my subscription. Yes, I would have never 200 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.519 paid three ninety nine for it. I never would have paid five ninety nine. 201 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.759 I wouldn't have paid ninety nine fort But it was fine for being included 202 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:09.000 in my subscription. Yes, rated in for Netflix, rated C for never 203 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.519 Mind. Don't say that I am fascinated by all this rating stuff though, 204 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.039 because we grew up in a time when there were only three networks in PBS, 205 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.679 and to this day I am watching compilations on YouTube of shows that I 206 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.679 never really saw because there was no way to watch or catch up on anything 207 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:30.840 if you watched one of the three shows that were on at at any given 208 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.919 time, you know, and it was not uncommon at the time for like, 209 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.799 say, I don't know, like in nineteen sixty eight, an episode 210 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.759 of the Wild Wild West to have a fifty share, which means half of 211 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:43.320 all the people watching TV were watching one show together. We don't have anything 212 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.919 approaching that anymore, nothing even close. But streaming is what you make it. 213 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.399 And when they say that we are in the Golden Age, I wholeheartedly 214 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.440 agree with that. For me, I am never at a loss to find 215 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.240 something to watch. It just depends on my mood. But I know there's 216 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.879 something I want to watch, especially if it's an old show, I can 217 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.639 find it. I am really enjoying going back and watching shows of my childhood 218 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.799 because now as an adult, they're completely new. I'm going back and watching 219 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.320 a Policewoman, Angie Dickinson, Oh yeah, just all rock from Files, 220 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:21.320 all sorts of shows that I watched as a child, but they would seem 221 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:25.039 very different now. Like, for example, I said that I was rewatching 222 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:30.639 speed Racer from first episode all the way through episode fifty in a chronological order. 223 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.440 I get a kick out of that, and we can only do that 224 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.000 now in history. We couldn't do that ten years ago. For me, 225 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:42.159 this is absolutely wonderful. I don't need new content all the time, but 226 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:48.639 Netflix does satisfy that need if and when I'm looking for the latest action movie, 227 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.960 and it doesn't have to be the blockbuster. It could be the movie 228 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.840 from France that has been dubbed into English and it's good enough. And I 229 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:57.639 agree with you. I think part of the reason that I watch so much 230 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:03.960 old TV is that so much current TV is so worthless. Yes, yes, 231 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:11.079 yeah, almost, like there's no real care or attention put into good 232 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.759 storytelling. That's part of the reason of as far as broadcast TV, I 233 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:19.880 still watch the Dick Wolf shows, be it you know, Chicago PD or 234 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.480 Law and Order SVU, Law and Order Organized Crime. I still think in 235 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:30.400 an episodic sense, that's the best of primetime television. Well, you know 236 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.839 that I wrote for a Law and Order video game, so I love that 237 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:37.000 stuff. But I'll tell you I discovered the rediscovered the best show that I 238 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.839 had almost forgotten about, called The Immortal with Christopher George. You got, 239 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.119 Yes, they're all on YouTube, you don't have to order a DVD or 240 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.839 anything like that. And it's about a guy who has blood that makes him 241 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:49.960 immortal, and a rich guy wants it so that he can live forever. 242 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.960 And so the Christopher George is on the run from people who want to capture 243 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.319 him and hold him hostage and take his blood. Terrific, terrific show. 244 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.720 And I'm just not finding things that are that compelling on most normal broadcast TV 245 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.920 right now. It could be worse. It could be like Twala who didn't 246 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.920 discover Law and Order until he was in the hospital for like a month and 247 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.640 he was forced to watch it. That's how he discovered Law and Order. 248 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.279 It's comfort viewing for true story, Yeah it is. It is comfort viewing. 249 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:23.000 And now I've seen every single episode, like at least fifty eleven times. 250 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.680 Can you defend yourself in court? Now? I can? I think 251 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.799 I really can. Yeah, that's how I started feeling after about one hundred 252 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:34.079 episodes. Y'all like hilarious, It's lady with bo Kelly. Look at the 253 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.839 time, can if I amswers forty? We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 254 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.200 And since Tuala is producing the show tonight, you will notice a theme 255 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:52.200 back for the horoscope. We were talking about how May was National Month. 256 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.720 Well, when we come back, we have to have a conversation about a 257 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.160 convention of furries and how it descended into sexual chaos. Because Tuala is a 258 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.720 producer of the show, We have a furry update when we come back. 259 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:10.559 You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty. 260 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.240 I'm a firm believer in meeting someone where they are. I shouldn't assume that 261 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.720 everybody knows what a furry is. Tony's you know what a furry is? 262 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.119 Sadly yes, Okay, Mark Ronnerd, do you know what a furry is? 263 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.839 I'm sorry to say that I do. Okay, Twala, I know 264 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:30.200 you know what a furry is, but I'm not going to assume. Okay, 265 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:36.240 I'm not gonna shure everyone knows. There are these confabs, these groups 266 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:44.359 who dress up in animal outfits furries for lack of a better word, and 267 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:49.119 they role play, they do things together, and they're large conventions in which 268 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:56.960 furries come together and meet up, usually for sex, drugs, some other 269 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:03.160 form of debauchery. And there was a furry convention back in twenty fifteen, 270 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.720 which is legendary in nature, which trashed a hotel and then had the Furry 271 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:15.960 Convention ban from the city of Seattle forever. It was called Rain First twenty 272 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:22.000 fifteen, and more and more stories are still coming out I mean ending up 273 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:27.720 in the news. It supposedly was meant to be an annual convention designed for 274 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:33.559 and by furries, but the debauchery that ensued this, according to Daily Mail, 275 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.519 left animal loving organizers banned from ever holding another event in the city of 276 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:44.799 Seattle after they trashed a hotel the floor. Let me let me just start 277 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.160 like this. The event started off to go off the rails when someone purposely 278 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.279 loosened a bolt on one of the Hilton Seattle Airport and Conference Centers toilets, 279 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.200 causing it to flood instantly. Mark, have you ever been there? I 280 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.319 have the airport, I've been to that hotel many times. That's where they 281 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.680 have the Crypticon Horror convention each year. Oh, you're there for Crypticon, 282 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:12.200 but not rain frost. The floor was soon filled with two inches of putrid 283 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:17.400 toilet water. The first side host had overestimated the wholesomeness of their guests. 284 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:21.279 I guess they thought it was going to be like a Disneyland convention because everyone 285 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.599 was coming in costumes. Well, they're cute furry costas, So being a 286 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.640 furry is not just necessarily wearing an animal costume. It's wearing a cute cuddly 287 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:37.079 animal costume. Attendees indulged in drink and drugs that eventually gave way to destruction. 288 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.720 A series of arrests ensued as attendees downed diapers and even went as far 289 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:48.319 as defecating in a pool. A hot tub was also flooded when a person 290 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.720 shoved towels and the pump filling it with water. The hotel was left in 291 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.880 ruins, more than one hundred thousand dollars in damages, and the Furry Convention 292 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:02.359 was banned for life. How can you not know in the age of the 293 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:07.640 Internet, what a furry is in what they do the whole point. It's 294 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.319 almost like eyes white shut. People are wearing masks so they can have sex, 295 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:14.319 and you don't know who the person is, or at least there's somewhat 296 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:18.279 anonymous. Well, back in twenty fifteen, this was also still relatively new, 297 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:25.880 and it was thought to just be a gathering of like LARP players, 298 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.920 like live action role players coming together, you know, almost like Trekky's coming 299 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.640 together. They thought, oh, it's gonna be something like that, and 300 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:38.279 then they found out furries go wild. They go wild like the animals that 301 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:45.440 they portray. I gotta tell you that. I bet there's some overlap between 302 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.720 the Trekies and the furries. And I've been to Star Trek conventions when I 303 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.720 was a kid. It would not shock me the least bit. There has 304 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.039 to be overlap, if only because the convention culture, I think is a 305 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.960 very similar culture. Regardless. If you go to conventions, you kind of 306 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:07.599 know that's when people tend to let loose and you throw in some anonymity and 307 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:14.079 some costumes and some sex, some alcohol and some drugs. Yeah, only 308 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:17.720 one bad thing could happen, I think everything. Last year there was a 309 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:22.839 furry attack at Huntington Beach. I think a guy was out there trying to 310 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.599 film some furries like live in Nature, and the furries attacked the wild and 311 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:33.200 the while they were on the Huntington Beach they attacked him. Furries trunk of 312 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.599 a guy. Well, they can't be very aggressive because they're very territorial in 313 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:42.599 that regard. I just I'm surprised though that this still goes on in an 314 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:47.200 age where you know the cameras everywhere. They're not as anonymous as they may 315 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:52.079 believe, because why they're checking in the hotels under their real name. Yeah, 316 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.079 but they also have like one individual who will get the room like, 317 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.759 they'll have an assistant. How do you rent? I don't know. I'm 318 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.319 just saying I have heard of what furries do, and they oftentimes what they 319 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:10.960 will do is they will have a representative, uh, check rooms because the 320 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.920 anonymity is part of being a furry for the most part. But you know, 321 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.359 I'm just I don't get it. I just don't get the allure. 322 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:23.680 I'm not a furry, so I guess I'm not supposed to get it. 323 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:26.759 But I mean, they're no different than people that you know, wear those 324 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.799 full body latex suit and whip each other. What are you talking about? 325 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:38.680 What are they called? What are they called? Me? Domina talking about 326 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:42.359 those you know Dominatris where they go and they get the guys and they put 327 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:47.839 them, put them in diapers and cuff them and whip them with whoa. 328 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.599 It's a whole different show. Now, I don't know what you're talking about. 329 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:56.000 Maybe sometimes furries just want to cuddle. You ever think of that cuddle 330 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:02.079 with drugs? Well, go ahead, somebody said, some drugs I'm sure 331 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:07.319 to make you want to cuddle more. No, I don't do drugs. 332 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.640 I don't do furries. I'm not a furry efor. Let's just go to 333 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.359 break, just like I have no idea what this show is going. You're 334 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:22.799 listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty and twala. 335 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:27.359 Did you see our boss sense the message? She's very, very very 336 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:32.519 interested in our last segment. Yeah, he's running down the hall right now. 337 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.599 That that subject matter tends to get people's attention right away. No, 338 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.599 but she had her own personal anecdote to offer, and that's all I'm gonna 339 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.480 say. I'm not gonna say anything more. But evidently everybody has a furry 340 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.000 story or something like that, or an encounter or something. You know, 341 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.319 I've seen furries from a distance, have you? Did you? No? 342 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:59.200 My experiences is zero with furries. I'm oh, i've seen furries from a 343 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:07.720 distance. You can tell out grown ass people walking somewhere in animal costumes aren't 344 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.160 a dead giveaway and of them. Okay, no, I was not. 345 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.839 Let me rephrase that. Where were you where you saw furries? Oh? 346 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.000 It was somewhere near the LA Convention Center, So I sue there's something going 347 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.200 on there. Yeah, so my immediate I have to look up the date 348 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.839 because find out exactly what it was, but my immediate assumption was, oh, 349 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.559 there must be some sort of furry convention coming going on right now. 350 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.920 So it didn't strike me as odd because we had been covering furries no put 351 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.559 intended for quite some time. Well let's just say, theoretically you did decide 352 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:44.200 to explore the world of furries. What would you be mo? I wouldn't, 353 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.599 so I won't, so I don't have an answer. But if I 354 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.880 did, if you did, that's like saying if I had four legs, 355 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.799 I'm not, so it doesn't matter. So your answer is a bear, 356 00:26:53.880 --> 00:27:00.400 I got it. No, that's just what's been on your mind. That's 357 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.920 a Freudian slip on your part. No, No, I'm just trying to 358 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.359 be a diligent journalist here with a recalcitrant subject. And yes I am. 359 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:14.920 Answer is witness, loud and clear, A bear got it. Look to 360 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.000 be serious. We all have our thing, we all like what we like. 361 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.039 Some of that may be, you know, put on public display. 362 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.839 Most of it probably will not. I'm not an exhibitionist anymore, so you 363 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.319 know that that time of my life is behind me. But I was never 364 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.440 furry adjacent. Never. When you say anymore could you please go into detail. 365 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:41.880 Oh no, I got some stories that I can tell. I have 366 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.640 lived life, if if, if, if, my time on this earth, 367 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:51.079 heaven forbid, should be up sometime soon. I know that I can 368 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:55.920 say I have lived. I have too many stories that I cannot tell on 369 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.920 the radio. How many of them involve a bear costume? No, not 370 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:06.000 a one, Okay, not a one, But they do involve moments in 371 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:11.480 the music industry and things of that nature. I would like to be yes. 372 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:17.519 No. I have been invited to some group settings in the valley. 373 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.440 I have never been invited to a furry gathering. I would I would not 374 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.640 be mad at going to see I don't know furries and heat. I don't 375 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.079 know what happens at one of these gatherings, but I would go and just 376 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.440 kind of check out the scene and see what they're doing. I don't know. 377 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:34.240 Do I have to dress up? I don't think if I have to 378 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.680 dress up, I can't go. You do, of course. You know. 379 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.759 It's like those those swinger parties that you've been invited to that you told 380 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.319 us about. You have to there rules, and there there are rules. 381 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.279 That's what kept me from going. I was like, oh, no, 382 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.960 yeah. Just the phrase group settings in the valley. It makes you think, 383 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:55.279 oh, so Ron Jeremy's going to be there. He probably was. 384 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:56.720 Yeah, no, no, no, no no. And look, I've 385 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:03.640 hung out with Ron Jeremy. He would always go to Jerry's Deli in Studio 386 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.799 City. You would always find them there. So I got there are times 387 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.119 where get to hang out and sit with Ron Jerry Jeremy and ask him questions. 388 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.599 He's as weird as you may think he would be. Oh yeah, 389 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.519 I don't look, I got some stories. I got some stories for you. 390 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.039 I could I told you about porn, star karaoke and all that. 391 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.839 I got some stories. Not all of them can be told on the radio. 392 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:29.359 And no I'm not going to put them in a book. Nope, 393 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.039 to just have to die with me. No, just a small book, 394 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:41.079 a hand waller, oh, a picture book, maybe a crayon coloring book. 395 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.960 Yeah, no, to be serious. Working in the music industry in 396 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:51.039 the late nineties early two thousands, it was a different time because it was 397 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:57.599 pre internet, and it allowed a level of freedom that just will never exist 398 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:04.400 again. So you were able to move in certain spaces which would seem fantastical 399 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:11.480 to a person who never would encounter that world, the whole eyes wide shut, 400 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.839 all that kind of thing. Luther Campbell parties, Diddy parties, that's 401 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:21.720 the stuff that for us was very normal. When the stories come out about 402 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:27.839 Diddy or Luther Campbell or whomever, those stories were legend years and years ago. 403 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:32.839 The general public are just now hearing about some of the things which were 404 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.920 going on in the height of the music industry in my day, in Tawalla's 405 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.119 day. There's so many stories, a lot of them I've just forgotten. 406 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.559 I've seen things that I can't unsee. I've done some things I wish I 407 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.880 hadn't done, as a matter of fact, But those are just stories I 408 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.480 can't tell on the radio. And so what you're saying is that when you 409 00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:53.559 took your bear costume to the dry cleaner, there was nobody there to film 410 00:30:53.599 --> 00:31:00.559 you with their camera phone. There were camera there were camera back then. 411 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:07.240 There were no camera phones back then, right, And there were a lot 412 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.680 of things going on in rooms in which there were a lot of people that 413 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:19.200 just could not go on today because of social media and the internet, paparazzi, 414 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.559 tmz, things like that. You know, how you go to like 415 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.759 a Diddy party or even most celebrities. Now you have to sign an NDA. 416 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:33.279 They won't even let you near the party without signing an NDA. Is 417 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:34.640 that how you know party is going to be good? In twenty twenty four 418 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.920 you got to sign an NDA? Pretty much. No, not a good 419 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:44.799 party. But that type of party, you know, mo of being a 420 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.359 furry goes back to the eighties, So there probably were a lot of furry 421 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.319 parties going on when we were in the music industry. Oh probably, yeah, 422 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.480 probably, but it would have struck us as odd the stuff that we 423 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.519 were seeing. No, back then, absolutely would not a s I would 424 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.200 have said, yeah, where's didiot. I'll give you a perfect example. 425 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.240 This is a tame story. We were doing a music promotion for this thing 426 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.759 called the Impact Convention in Miami, and it was me Tula, it was 427 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.680 Adam Favors, he can tell you about this, and we were entertaining the 428 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.319 DJs. This is a breakfast. We called it a legs and eggs breakfast, 429 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.839 so that ought to tell you where all this is going. We hired 430 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:42.680 dancers I am Ron Burgundy to show up and do table dances as centerpieces as 431 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.039 we were serving eggs and grits and pancakes. And they were dancing over your 432 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:54.319 food and other stuff. That's that's the PG version I can tell on the 433 00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.319 radio. I wish I did there. No, I don't want anything fall 434 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:04.880 into my food. It's like a lot of things. It sounds a whole 435 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:09.359 lot better than the reality because then in reality you realize there's certain things you 436 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:17.000 don't want to smell it. Eid no more on that note, get us 437 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:24.079 out of here. True sorry, truth story. I wasn't expecting it to 438 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:30.599 go there. Oh you said you want to be there, No you didn't. 439 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:40.519 Ladies and gentlemens and eggs can't buy am sick forty tony just in the 440 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:46.759 show. Oh no, I'm letting this go. Press the button. We 441 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:54.880 gotta say it. I had the lockout everywhere radio app. We go through 442 00:33:55.039 --> 00:34:00.839 all that that's going on so that we can tell you just like you need 443 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.440 to know. K F I, K O, S, T H D 444 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.840 two Los Angeles, Orange County Live everywhere on the radio.