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Well here we are back. I'm
in Seattle. You wouldn't know that from

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the sign don't normally rock and just
the tank top on the podcast. But

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got back to the house about two
thirty in the morning. Back here at

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nine am Pacific. No days off
here. I know listener Jared has it

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worse. I think still in Houston. Jared, if you're listening, you

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call in. I will do this
stamp here later in the show. But

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busy times. Another busy guy I
have. I was just a drinking Chinerbach

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with him on the riverwalking not twenty
four hours ago. Any murray, how

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are you doing, sir? I
was about to say, did I see

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you somewhere recently? I'm not sure. I can't quite remember. Um,

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it's been it's been quite the roller
coaster. I'm glad that you were able

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to get out. I've been hearing
the same thing. It's been a little

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bit of a cluster for some people
trying to get out just out of the

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Texas area. So, UM,
I guess escaping is a victory in itself.

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Yeah, just sharing this Jared and
we Jared was on the Alamo tour

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with Mass Jared stuck at the airport
that had to sleep at the Houston Airport,

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so I know I was at the
San Antonio Airport with the with the

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mayor and with the Haley from the
Sea Dragons, and Hailey tweeted out walking

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out of the Sea Tach Airport at
one forty five in the morning after being

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delayed for four hours following the XFL
Championship game. Is really the kind of

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the Jerry on the top. I
don't know if that was an insult to

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me, like I got. My
last moments were with Reid walking out of

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the building. But that was good. I will say, though, what

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we'll get to all the XFL Championships
stuff today. Jenny is checking in here.

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Good more from Southern California. Greatest
thing today and I mean this waking

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up about forty five minutes ago to
just the wall of this player signed,

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this player signed, this players signed. We have six players so far signed

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from the XFL. Hailey, it
hinted up that last night we were talking

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because obviously, you know, the
Benda Nucci comment came up and she said,

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you, oh, there's wouldn't be
surprised if we have some more here

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rolling out. It's really just day
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I know we had a bunch of
camp tryouts and everything, you know,

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but May fifteenth is the day that
they're able to do that. Andy,

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what did you make of the signings. I'll pull up we'll quick, we'll

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get to all this championships stuff,
but we'll pull up analysts, excellent analysts

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tweet just because he's got the most
concise thing to Nucci to the Broncos,

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Barry Wesley to the Falcons, or
As Thompson to the Dolphins, all those

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from Seattle, Jacquez Patrick to the
Broncos, from San Antonio, Lucas Dennis

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to the Falcons, from Saint Louis
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Yeah, these are some solid picks
up pick already. I already like Benda

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Nutrie obviously one of the most talked
about players in the entire season, a

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lot of people that even NFL fans
are already familiar with. Obviously with his

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time with the Cowboys, already playing
a primetime game, I think le Broncos

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is a great fit for him,
just because their quarterback depth has been a

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little bit lacking in the last few
years. Even behind Russell Wilson. It's

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not always been the most outstanding one
of our colleagues. Matt Nagoshima was pointing

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out that get Garrett or sorry,
Jarrett guana Atano was one of the third

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stringers and he's picked up last season, and you know he's not necessarily guaranteed

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a roster spot. So I think
d Nucci has a really good chance coming

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in here at camp and making an
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mean, look, if Sean Payton
likes you, that's a huge deal,

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right, Sean Payton clearly being interested
in XFL players. He picked up two

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of them already, so that's says
a lot if mister Payton is already interested

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in you. Jocqu Wispatrick, I
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should have been starting from day one
for at Antonio. Kalen Blodge is vine,

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but like Jocolis, Patrick was by
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that team. The Broncos again picking
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See if he gets some burn.
I love Barry Wesley going to the Falcons,

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giving a little more lined depth there
for an offense that's trying to piece

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itself back together. Obviously they're sort
of a rebuilding operation. Bryce Thompson,

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that's awesome for the Dolphins. You
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know the status with someone like Xavian
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in the backfield. That's great for
them. Lucas Dennis also the Falcons,

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that's good. So two of these
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are a multiples of expel players going
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great. And then C. J. Bruer going to the Buccaneers, which

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traditionally has had pretty good defensive line
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a transition period now from Tom Brady
era. So yeah, I'm not surprised

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that these signings are coming in.
I expect more to be the case,

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just even by noon Pacific time today, because look, it's the gates are

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open now. All these guys could
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championship players now have more free reign
to Arlington and DC players, we'll start

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to see flooding in here. So
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far. I was looking to find
and I'll just pull up his Twitter because

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I was trying to find Matt must
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of them over here Matt Lyons,
where he said, if I had a

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nickel for every time, what was
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you know, signed the Seattle quarterback, I would have two nickels, which

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isn't a lot, but it still
is interesting. So Matt doing the lord's

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work. Matt's writing these articles fast
and furious out for you with Mark over

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at New Subs. So go check
that out all the New sub guys.

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You know. Obviously the work doesn't
stop now. I know Greg Parks is

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going to be doing that as well, tracking all of that. So it's

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just exciting. Like I've said,
and that is kind of the one thing

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right now. USFL brass really holds
firm and obviously I want players to succeed

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from any league, but I I
feel like I was wrong last year and

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I thought the April to July was
the better time frame. I think this

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will be much better and hopefully getting
players in in May versus July a chance

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to kind of you get assimilated with
the with the training camps and all of

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that. Any other updated thoughts on
that, and then we'll get to some

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comments here before we go to the
recap. No, I agree. I

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think just having a chance to get
in the building early and really being able

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to learn the playbook and be able
to practice with some of these other players

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that have been drafted, the undrafted
free agents, some of these other people

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who have been signed, the mini
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They may not be as important for
some of the veteran players. You

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know, they established stars don't necessarily
have to be there. It's more important

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for people who are trying to establish
themselves and just trying to get their footing

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in this league. So yeah,
I think the timeline from that standpoint really

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helps them as far as be able
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in July and then preparing themselves for
preseason action, which obviously is going to

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be pretty busy for all of us
because now we have just a slew of

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players to follow nowt XFL and USFL
both and you know it, maybe some

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CFL players mixed in there too,
if l you know, there's I mean,

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there's just the more of these leagues
happen, the more players and more

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persons that you get familiar with,
the more you start to follow and really

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invest in some of these preseason games
because it's like, well, I've watched

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a lot of these guys play now, not just these are just some college

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player from some community college or some
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during the season. No, these
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in a lot of different you know, different leagues, or maybe just you

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know you've seen them on TV.
That's what I'm saying. They've gotten the

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exposure. So yeah, it starts
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Yeah, So we have here jj
KK Bobs was for president. We have

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a lot of Arley Tania. Obviously, Jenna Jenna told us all year she

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said the Arlington Renegades will win the
championship. Mike congratulated Jenna so excited.

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I mean Jenna obviously COVID and I
know Jenna, you know it was hard

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for all of us back with all
that. I know that Jenna has been

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cursed with her love of the Red
Blacks, the Buffalo Sabers, and the

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NHL not always doing the greatest.
So obviously the Dost Cowboys, you know,

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good to see in Arlington franchise actually
winning a title. Someone posted the

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Drake showing Nica, this is what
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Arlington Renigains need to show and James
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So lots of comments here, I'll
keep flashing some more up, we'll

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get to the game. We did
our live show. If you haven't seen

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that obviously, you know encourage think
we have like eighteen hundred viewers. Now,

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you know it's never as good as
I want, It's never as you

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know, bad as I fear,
but you know it was good. What

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did you make overall san Antonio hosting? I don't know if we will ever

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do that again, just because of
the outlash from Saint Louis and all that.

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But what did you make of just
a weekend as a whole? I

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love that I finally got to experience
San Antonio. What a great town and

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just historical vibes, the atmosphere,
the Riverwalk was wonderful, the people were

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friendly. I really void San Antonio. I've been wanting to go there for

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so long, not just for football
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I've really wanted to experience it.
The thing I take away from it

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is that it doesn't feel like a
Texas town. Does that make sense?

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Like it feels a little bit kind
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my premonitions of what a Texas town
would be. And I've been to Houston,

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I've been to Dallas, I've been
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one I haven't been to yet now
is Austin. But yeah, no,

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San Antonio was a great hosting side. The Almodo was awesome, great venue.

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Again, like I said, just
the overall atmosphere of the entire place

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was fantastic. I think for hosting
a championship game, I think it was

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a good pick. It was a
very solid pick for the first inaugural game.

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We were talking about on the stream, Like what some other venues One

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that I should have mentioned that I
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Outside of Saint Louis, it's probably
Orlando. I would think that Danny

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Garcia wants to get in our hometown, Like that's gonna be a huge,

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huge get for her if they get
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start to fill Camping World Stadium.
This assume they were going to use that

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stadium. But yeah, no,
really impressed with San Antonio. I loved

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it. I enjoyed it so much, and I'm glad we got to do

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the River tour as well. We
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was really fun. Yeah. We
uh, well, Andy, I'm putting

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up here at James figure By the
only one like Kevin Andrew semi everg I

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didn't mean to put this one up
right now, but yeah, it was

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weird. Kevin. I think it
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for the Renegades, you know,
he's I think more of kind of a

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coach mentor at this point anything on
that. I was gonna pull up our

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wonderful Alamo Tour picture that we did. I don't think I showed this during

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the live stream. I don't know
if I have the ability to do that,

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but obviously yourself and we had Anthony
here, we had Fran over with

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our sports centro, we had listener
Nate and then Jared who is currently stuck

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and so, yeah, lots to
do. Orlando feels far right in Texas,

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feels centralized. I imagine if it
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Choctaw, probably just would have been
at the hub there. It is a

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little more spread out. I do
like San Antonio that you can stay near

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the river walking everything's really there.
I mean you even talked about that,

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that kind of walkability of that and
getting fans in because I was surprised that

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we were surprised to see a lot
of DC fans traveling in as well as

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obviously Arlington coming up, you know, from Arlington fans coming up from Arlington

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to San Antonio. Yeah, the
proximity was great, and also the amenities

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were really important. I mean,
the Almodome was an eighteen minute walk from

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my hotel. The river walk was
a five minute walk. The airport was

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really not that far away. I
took the bus in and then I took

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an umber back and it really was
pretty steamless, honestly, Like getting an

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out was really easy. And that's
that's for me, that's becoming more and

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more important as I get older,
I really start to criticize and sort of

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like look at different venues and think
like, Okay, what's around the stadium,

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what's going on? Like is there
something you can do? How is

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it How hard is it to travel
there? Like that's that matters a lot

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for you know, Look, we're
all maniacs here. We all follow this

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religiously. We are the niche of
the niche because there are more casual people

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who need, you know, more, They need more if it be attracted

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to that location, into that venue. So I think for San Antonio was

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great because that just everything was so
close to there. Really, what I

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took away from it is just how
much that town transformed over the last fifty

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years and after the World's Fair and
like what was the nineteen sixty eight and

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a couple of the other historical facts
we learned, but just everything is just

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like so close proximity, which again
is awesome because now it's easier for people

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to kind of use it as like
just an example of keeping everything tight and

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everything in close proximity, because the
farther you have to traveler, So I

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think the more cumbersome it is,
and some people don't want to deal with

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that. I get it, you
know, Like I said, that's something

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that I always think about every time
I travel summer, are like, Okay,

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how much time is it gonna take
for me to get to this spot

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over here and then have to go
from here? And just you know,

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logistics are important, they really are. I could see them wanting to do

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Audie Field in the future. But
to get East Coast really far, WWE

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has various results because it is a
very similar vibe. You eventually, you

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know, I know they did the
media day on Friday, but you know

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the vibe is you get everyone in
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the game Saturday, you get people
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whatever, get people in and w
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New Orleans. That was great to
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it's a little more spread out.
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central locations. Like I said,
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they did the best this year.
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we had weather concerns, flash flooding
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have affected the game, but kind
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I know Jason had the live check
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Did you happen to see any of
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right into the press box to go
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I walked to the stadium, but
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lot. I think by that point
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of potential weather. But actually it
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was always kind of like that ominous
thought of like, all right, is

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it gonna start ratings? Is gonna
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but um, yeah, the most
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your live stream. I did not
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I was sort of taking care of
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way over to the we retired.
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long it's been a long weekend.
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prelimbs have come out, right,
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for I believe the third hour of
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point two five, and it was
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the one point three four. We'll
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expect. I mean, I wouldn't
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we went to the Gray Cup.
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the game, I'm like, Okay, this is probably gonna rate really well

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tomorrow when the radians come out.
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you're getting a fraction of those,
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we had watching from the kickoff show
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it or we just made it to
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we've made it to the championship game. I think that's the overall impression that

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I get. As far as the
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now people are going to compare it
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year, which you know, we're
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to consider. As far as like
what is the threshold? And this is

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a conversation you've had. We've had
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Ben Fisher, You've had it with
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league extensively. It's it's going to
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about as far as like the exposure
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think that people who did watch it, I think we're engaged with it,

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but getting those numbers again, trying
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I had a couple of my friends
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and I think they had, you
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their commentary too, because they don't
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do like talking to people who are
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because they have a different perception and
they have different knowledge, and they have

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different expectations, you know. I
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involved and based on the numbers,
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be the first to say, these
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encouraged by the baseline level of interest. So but yeah, to answer your

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question. Yet they made to the
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they've made it because they have been
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and then pulled it. I think
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a lot of that. I just
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know if there's enough you can do. I think needs to be. And

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I think it was Anthony forgive me
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Do the bye week that first week
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you know, let's let's if we're
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I don't think if you're not going
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championship game, I just don't.
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in that way. Any different area
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game stuff here we could pull up. That's tough. I mean, you

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need a bye week because twelve straight
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that actually make it that far.
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at all, I think I came
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ago. I thought about this.
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this on the stream. I would
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or so, and you have two
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like that. You have two teams
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so then each one of them has
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and then later on you start to
get into Okay, do we take another

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bye week for the media or do
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like you know NFL teams do,
right, like kind of have this

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like four to eight weeks, like, Okay, let's recalibrate, let's let's

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reassess, let's see what's working and
what's not working, right, you know,

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a team like I mean a team
like Arlington could have used that,

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a team like Houston could have used
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I think there are teams that could
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just saying, Okay, let's slow
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set of weeks, four weeks where
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week and then everyone's had their rest. Kind of a rotating CFL. Does

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that, you know, obviously with
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buy. I just I didn't Yeah, I didn't know if you need a

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mid season break and then come back
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two or whatever. But the week
before I think proved not fruitful. If

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they're not going to take advantage of
at the wind, I think they could

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up a man. I know the
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I just think that there was and
I know we're getting through this year.

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I just think that there's more more
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We can talk more about that.
John Christian says, definitely like the idea

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of a buy during March madness.
You see Andy's idea during Yeah, so

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maybe we do a rolling, rolling
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I don't think that's a bad idea. He also says they had gotten

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less than a million that would be
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to work with us. Let's talk
some game. We can always kind of

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vamp more at the end. How
do I pull this up? Here?

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There we go? We you know
it was We talked about it all week

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and everyone took DC. Everyone took
DC. Max. Max was text t

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me calling for Emery Hunt's head for
his heavy smirchman of UIs Perez and the

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Renegades. This was a really good
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The crowd was hot. I think
Mike posted Mike Mitchell twenty two thousand

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and changed seven hundreds something for the
crowd. They seemed invested. I will

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say some of even the press box
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were supposed to talk. But in
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of the arena. You know,
you're not closed off. It's glass,

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but it's open, so you do
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I was still part of the game
watching experience. We talked a little bit

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about, you know, people coming
in, what did you make of the

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crowd hot? Not you were there
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yard line. The crowd definitely warmed
up as the game went on. I

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think they started to wake up,
especially with all of the action. I'm

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kind of impressed by how many different
kinds of fans showed up. Something that

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you've experienced, and we've talked about
what the CFL is and what all the

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CFL people talk about, is do
you get all these fans from all these

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different teams, even to their teams
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I'm seeing Orlando fans. I've seen
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over the league going to this game. That's great. That camaraderie is awesome.

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they were San Antonio fans. Obviously, there's a guy heckling the Arlington team.

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He had this anti Arlington Redigates signed
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a back and forth with Kevin Anderson. A couple of the Redigates players just

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you know, pointed the scoreboard the
entire time. Like the energy was definitely

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there. I was very very happy
with the energy overall with some of the

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some of the fans, some of
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more you know, knowledgeable what was
about, what was going on, more

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than others. But you're gonna get
that right, like with especially with the

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Dow League. No, I mean
it was really cool. I think the

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number of the tenants number is good. I think it was actually a little

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bit better than I was expecting.
I was expecting about twenty thousand. It

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was twenty two thousand. That's great. But look to get into the game

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itself, this is not the same
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I saw Arlington in San Antonio in
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game was like the death of football. The offense was atrocious. Drew Plett

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and counselor we're not gonna get done. San Antonio was having their own problems

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on offense. Those games, those
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Antonio were brutal to watch. Those
were probably the most unwatchable games of the

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entire season. And if he could
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he had to put go through all
that. This Arlington team nine day difference

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unbelievable on offense. Luis Perez is
the spring King. He cemented his legacy

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through this game. He was incredible. I've seen him in person three times

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and each time he's just gotten better, Like he just looks better and better

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as time goes on and he accumulates
all this knowledge. I can't believe.

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I can't believe that was the same
team I watched a month and a half

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ago. It didn't look like it
because they were just firing on all cylinders

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on offense. It was so cool, and I'll just pull up here.

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I got the video. We were
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Danny did that, you know,
the trophy presentation to coach Stoops and then

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obviously the rock was there. He
gave Louise the MVP award. I did

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want to say I forgot that.
You know. I liked how visible both

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Danny and dj were during the game. You know, they did the crowd

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and they came down talk to the
media. Before the game, Danny expressed

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sincere thanks to everyone there for covering
the game. Felt very sincere, right,

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like, thank you guys, because
again I think that like we went

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into the season, maybe like what
are the expectations of coverage we're going to

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get okay. Now we're kind of
seeing like how we exist in this space.

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I liked how they came down on
the field at the end, Arlington

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gave a DJ the Rock you know, I had to put on. I

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thought, what a cool moment for
Louis Perez here after you know, it's

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five six years of all of this, everything he's gone through, and you

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know, I still remember, you
know, the teaching learning how to play

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quarterback on YouTube and having his family
run routes for him on the field so

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he could pick up the new playbook
before he was going to the new team,

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to be able to stay and here
and kind of be that more or

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less the face one of the faces
of this league and kind of getting his

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you know, accolades acknowledge. I
do think it's incredible. I could I

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was just over the moon for him. I know we talked about this yesterday

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when we were hanging out, but
I really couldn't. Couldn't have a nicer

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guy have this happened, dude.
Not that there's not a hundred different players

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in the league. They deserve it, but really glad, with everything Louise

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has gone through, he got this. I'm mentally proud of him, and

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it makes me proud as a fellow
San Diegan. You know, Louise Press

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coming from tuli Visa, California,
right down the road for me, and

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for him to just go through all
of this, all the different files and

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tribulations for all the different leagues and
all the different starting, you know,

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losing his job and getting his job
back and playing through all these different offenses,

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and I mean this is also a
culmination of all of his hard work.

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And you know he's He's lost some
big games too. He lost the

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TSL championship game for the Jousters,
he lost that semi final playoff game with

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the Generals last year. And finally
he breaks down the door here and he

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looked fantastic again. He has looked
better than ever. He looked so instinct

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with this offense. If Louis Perez
was on this team at the beginning of

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the year, Arlington would have won
the South. I'm sorry, Houston fans,

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but this is Arlington team just looked
fantastic. They have the defense,

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they had the special teams, and
now they finally have the offense. And

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the big part of that is because
of Louis Perez. And his ability to

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be so calmed, so measured,
and all these different situations, being able

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to take what they were not doing
well on offense and be able to approve

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00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.680
on it every single week. And
I mean again, he was just hitting

409
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:38.200
every pass. Like on Saturday,
he was head downfield passes, his intermediate

410
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.680
routes. He almost got sacked on
the first drive and he managed to kind

411
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.279
of flip it right out and get
out of his hands, and from that

412
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.880
moment on it was kind of like
he was just in control of the entire

413
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.079
game. But yeah, he's a
great person. We ran into his brother

414
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:55.079
actually on the riverwalk and he was
a really nice guy. They were when

415
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:56.759
they were looking round for something to
eat, and I was kind of hoping

416
00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.160
that we'd run in the pres because
just and it didn't happen. But like,

417
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.279
you know, he's a guy that
I just root I can't help but

418
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.160
root for. I tried not to
be too biased in terms of, like,

419
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.319
you know, certain players, I
fall out the teams and all that,

420
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.039
but like, I root for the
guy. He's great and I'm so

421
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.079
happy for him that he was able
to accomplish this. And like you were

422
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.759
saying to me, you know,
a couple of days ago, Um,

423
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.920
getting the trophy from the rock Are
you kidding me? That's like, that's

424
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:25.400
a life highlight. That's that's an
amazing accomplishment that very very very very very

425
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:26.880
few people in their life are gonna
be able to say when it's all said

426
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.920
and done. Yeah, I liked
here. I have Heimbach, you know,

427
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.039
him tweeting out he was a friend
of the show, came on over

428
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:34.799
the summer either he won. He
was a you know, a line back

429
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:40.160
in the one with the extreme.
I like seeing that at full circle some

430
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:41.279
of these you know, yeah,
Anthony, I have one more way to

431
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.440
get to but you know, Anthony, that getting the you know, I

432
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.240
think of the journey Anthonies went on
covering that's all of that, obviously,

433
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:51.000
Nate all this this is the one, uh the relegation in the Cowboys.

434
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.240
Whether they're listen too in the playoffs, Oh no, okay, that's what

435
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.680
I gotta do. But this one
up here, I thought, and and

436
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.960
Louise had one as well. Taylor
recently, you know, you know,

437
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:03.400
he's a friend of the show.
I don't know if he's ever been on

438
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.240
the show, but he's certainly a
friend of the podcast. Getting too you

439
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.319
know, rolland the confetti with his
child. I just just the coolest moment

440
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:12.359
in the world. I just thought, yeah, here was what we got.

441
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.880
Louis Prez here with his family as
well. I mean, this is

442
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.160
a moment he's never going to forget. I don't know if Louise ever takes

443
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.680
another snap of football, if he
comes back next year, if he transitions

444
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.240
into being a coach, but just
just an incredible journey for him. And

445
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:30.960
I'm just really proud of about everything
with Louise. I you know, honestly,

446
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.079
I have to say this. You
know, he's probably gonna get looked

447
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.240
out of by another NFL team,
but selfishly I want him back in this

448
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:44.400
league or some iteration of springing football
and playing and starting. I mean,

449
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.240
after seeing him on Saturday, I
only can think about is what would he

450
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.240
look like for an entire year under
this offense. Like if he came back

451
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.200
with this this same team and with
stoops and everything, like, you know,

452
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.440
it would be a completely different story. This would not be a blow

453
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.440
five hundred team in my opinion.
I Mean, obviously the rosters change just

454
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.559
gonna be defensive players that move on, special team players and other pieces that

455
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.720
kind of move here and there.
But you know, for me, I

456
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.400
mean I'm selfish. I want to
see him keep playing because he's only twenty

457
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.880
eight and he's already accomplished so much. I mean, he could just walk

458
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.319
off right now, and he has
again cemented his legacy. He doesn't have

459
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.799
to stay. But yeah, I
think it's just seeing all of the players

460
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:25.160
and all the just the energy and
all the emotion they had. Again,

461
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.079
I was sitting right behind the Renegades
bench and then, I mean, those

462
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:32.480
are the jolliest lads I'd seen in
quite some time. Kevin Anderson again was

463
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.960
just having the time of his life
seeing all the defensive linemen just get really

464
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.839
into it the offensive linemen and Heimbach
did such an amazing job with this group.

465
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.680
I mean they kicked ass on Saturday. They played so well, getting

466
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.559
good holes for dave On Smith and
protecting Perez. I mean he asked.

467
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:56.000
Heimbach has to be just so proud
of his of his work and his ability

468
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.720
to perform so well. I mean
he's a multi time champion in multiple leagues

469
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.079
now, I mean his his resume
is really just so impressive. As a

470
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.519
stoops too, I mean, you
can't forget about Stoops as well. What

471
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.119
he's able to do to come back, to come back after after COVID,

472
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.640
after all that happened, and be
able to coach this team and come back

473
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.640
and do this a second time around
is also just such such an accomplishment.

474
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.359
Max has a question here. To
be fair, Houston would have been a

475
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.880
lot different if Facedale had, you
know, Kirkland. What do you make

476
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.000
of that, if if we had
to redo you knowing what we know and

477
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.799
how good the Renegades looked in the
championship game at Replaying that South Division playoff

478
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.759
game with Houston with kind of their
full roster, I have to agree.

479
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.359
I mean, Kirkland was a huge
part of it, and it changed the

480
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.720
season when he got hurt in Week
five. Things changed when Arlington traded for

481
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.240
Luis things changed like that. That's
that's your nextus point for the South and

482
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.480
for really the entire season. My
only thing I think about that with Houston

483
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.559
is just they seem to have so
much confusion as far as what they were

484
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.000
doing at quarterback. You know,
Brandon Silver's in now on the line.

485
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.640
I know he got hurt. I'm
not sure what his role is or was

486
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.640
in that semifinal game. It was
really bizarre. I don't think we know

487
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.839
the full story behind that. Colt
McDonald just couldn't get it done. It

488
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.400
was just too inconsistent. Obviously,
there was a lot going back and forth

489
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.039
between him and A. J.
Smith. I mean, Houston clearly lost

490
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.279
something. Obviously with John John Trey
Clerkland not being there didn't help, but

491
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.559
something chemistry wise just was completely thrown
off. The second half of the season.

492
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.920
They just could not get anything going
on on on offense. They they

493
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.720
lost something and Arlington gained something.
You know. That's that's what I'm saying

494
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.240
about this bye week thing. You
really could use it for some of these

495
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.440
teams where they start to realize,
Okay, what's going on here because it's

496
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.319
not it's hard to kind of readjust
for that week to week you try to

497
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.519
have to figure it out. But
yeah, I mean Houston they probably would

498
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:56.000
be here, I mean in this
in this case because Louise came on late

499
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.119
at least Press came on late.
Probably, but you know, again it's

500
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.359
hard to say because their quarterback play
was really inconsistent down the stretch. Just

501
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.400
speaking of sliding doors here and kind
of everything else. I was sitting and

502
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:14.599
I guess I just didn't put the
connection together because obviously the Seattle cracking,

503
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.759
We're playing the Dallas Stars Game six
must win for the crack and there Saturday

504
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.880
night. I you know, I
did have the game up on my phone

505
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.400
during the especially during some of the
timeouts. It was some of the some

506
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.960
of the TV timeouts. I know, obviously the injured cameraman and that was

507
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.039
not funny. I'm glad that he
is doing well. I did hear the

508
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.599
whole story about that, and that
was a very scary moment. But I

509
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.799
felt like some of the popping circumstances
at the beginning, I'm like, okay,

510
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:38.599
I'm watching. They had the game
on in the corner, watching whatever.

511
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.519
But what was interesting to me was, you know, a lot of

512
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:47.759
the Dallas media there were very interested
in the game, right, a lot

513
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.039
of the San Antonio media, a
lot of the you know, because obviously

514
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.680
it's the Dallas Stars against the seas
C Dragons at time. Man if Seattle

515
00:31:53.759 --> 00:32:00.000
had beat DC and you had the
C Dragons versus the Renegades in the champion

516
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.920
game, with both Seattle and Dallas
being you know, playing that Game six

517
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:08.079
elimination game, they dodged a bullet
with that, because I will say a

518
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.079
lot of the people there because you
know, I don't know, I'm staying,

519
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.759
oh no, we're like we're Dallas
Stars fans, or we're from Dallas

520
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.039
here covering the game like we are
Dallas Stars fans. Because I really thought

521
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.599
I was going to be the only
one that even cared that the NHL game

522
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.640
was on. So I think they
avoided that, you know, and they

523
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.680
were sliding doors that got the game
to that where we had events here that

524
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:31.759
pushed it back. But XFL could
have really been in trouble there. If

525
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:37.960
Seattle had been in, had been
the North team and had gone up against

526
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.400
Art linkedon das whatever, I think
that would have been interesting. I mean,

527
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.799
this is the toughest challenge for them
going forward. How are they going

528
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.759
to compete with all these leagues and
how do they make themselves the priority over

529
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.640
all of these established leagues, you
know, the NHL, Like you've been

530
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.279
saying to me, if a couple
of times there was no cracking in twenty

531
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.039
twenty, they didn't exist now they
are. That's changed the market. You

532
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.200
know, Seattle is a different market
now than it is back in twenty twenty

533
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.440
that's it's a it's a you know, it's it matters. I think about

534
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.079
that too. I've talked about that. You know, like obviously I go

535
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:08.839
on and on about San Diego getting
a team, but like the reality is

536
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.359
too, San Diego keeps adding teams. There is a distinct possibility that an

537
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.599
MLS team is going to come here
soon, and that changes the dynamic.

538
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.799
You know, all these markets have
different competing interests, and that also goes

539
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:22.799
for the local interests too. We're
not just talking about getting casual viewers.

540
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.799
We're talking about getting your market involved
with it too. That's that's something that

541
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.839
the XFL really has to pin down
and really work on next year. They

542
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.440
really do. Look, you got
Saint Louis great, awesome, they don't

543
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.519
have a team, you know,
they don't have a football team DC.

544
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:43.200
Everyone hated Dan Snyder and no one
wanted to support the Commanders. Maybe that

545
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.359
changes now in the in the future. But you know, people got behind

546
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.319
DC and they support them. That's
great, But how are you going to

547
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.960
get you know, get the Seattle
audience back now, get Orlando really involved,

548
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.519
which traditionally Florida teams are kind of
hit and miss, you know,

549
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.880
with with their their engagement. San
Antonio should be right. San Antonio doesn't

550
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:05.480
have any teams. They should be
a stronger market Houston. Obviously, they

551
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.960
have a lot of competing interests as
well. My point being is you just

552
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:13.599
have to make sure that these these
entities are investing and you're gonna have to

553
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.960
put more money, probably more of
their money is gonna have to go into

554
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.559
that than anything else. Honestly,
the market, the local marketing is really

555
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.960
going to have to be a big
emphasis point for them going forward, especially

556
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.760
if they're gonna be in the humb
model and their actress gonna be walking around

557
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.599
during the week. That again,
if that if that's the case, If

558
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.559
that's if that's what you're gonna do, fine, but you need to put

559
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:38.199
more resources into devoting yourself to these
local markets. Max says that I do

560
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.360
about it. The Stars slogan is
Texas Hockey for a reason. Really,

561
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.960
Yeah, but all they that's like
their hashtag, all they scream of the

562
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:51.199
game is go Stars, Go start. It's it's kind of with the Knights

563
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.679
to the you know, like go
Nights go. Some of the hockey chants

564
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.360
are very very kind of simbolistic there. Back to the game for a little

565
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.400
bit here, because I I kind
of get I get sidetracked on these live

566
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.199
shows. DC speaking of Seattle kicked
the absolute snot out of us. I

567
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.079
was there, and you know,
we we've really lived the beer Steak and

568
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.119
all that. You were not on
the show the week that I got.

569
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.039
I think Evan was reliving my horrors
of the beer Steak that week. But

570
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.519
I mean DC looked like a different
team on Saturday. They didn't even look

571
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.960
you know, it didn't really feel
competitive. It felt like Arlington. DC

572
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.639
was able to keep it close a
little bit, but it felt like Arlington

573
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.719
was never really in danger of the
entire game. I know you were tweeting

574
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.800
that Arlington has DC all figured out. There's nothing Greg Williams can do that

575
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.679
they're not expecting. What did you
make of DC? And it looked I

576
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:38.320
mean, obviously it looked like the
best team all season kind of having this

577
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.639
game. They had their worst day. And I think that was confirmed with

578
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.480
some of the DC faithful that I
talked to as well. Nate, one

579
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.760
of the guys that joined us in
the almotour, he agreed, He's just

580
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.599
like, this is the worst they
looked all season. I mean, they

581
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.480
just were lost. And the thing
about it is Greg Williams was kind of

582
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.119
playing with fire down the stretch if
you look back at it, I mean

583
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.559
there were a lot of quarterbacks that
had some standing performances against him down the

584
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:07.199
stretch. Quinn Dormandy obviously lit him
up. Benda Nucci did it a couple

585
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:13.039
times and should have done it even
more in the North Division championship game.

586
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.400
The only problem was that the receivers
just couldn't hold onto the ball. But

587
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:21.000
like that was not a Denucci's fault. He had been playing with fire,

588
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.639
and finally Arlington was able to expose
that. They exposed his overaggressiveness and they

589
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.639
just were able to hit all their
passes. I kept saying at some point,

590
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.320
like he has to stop Lizzie,
But I don't think he knows any

591
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.119
other other method. Right, He
plays with his hair on fire, He

592
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.800
coaches with his hair on fire,
and it finally bit him in the butt.

593
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.079
And as for DC on offense,
man, I mean that whole first

594
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.480
quarter, like you get negative yards, you don't even have the ball like

595
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.880
for more than a minute. The
entire first quarter. That really set them

596
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.679
behind as well. They just could
never get the run game going, they

597
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.440
were so adamant about passing the ball, and I know they did it a

598
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.159
lot in the second half too because
they were behind, but they were kind

599
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.599
of out the gate trying to throw
the ball. And Toma didn't have his

600
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:06.800
worst performance, I think, because
I know the three interceptions look bad.

601
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:09.880
Why that last one was the fourth
down conversion which wasn't going to go through,

602
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.800
And it was kind of obvious for
Arlington. It was easy for them

603
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.920
to tone in on but clearly,
like, look, Arlington's defense is good.

604
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.199
They've been good all year. Like, I'm not surprised they got those

605
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.000
turnovers, and Anthony Miller did a
great job pointing out how they've gotten a

606
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.559
turnover every single game they played in
this season, and they always usually get

607
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.440
multiple turnovers, so I'm not surprised
there. But I mean for DC,

608
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.880
yeah, it was just the worst
timing for them to have the worst game

609
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.719
of the year. And part of
it was a great game planned by Arlington,

610
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.360
but other part of it, too, was they just weren't able to

611
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.400
adjust to what was going on on
the other side, either on defense or

612
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.599
on offense. And you know,
I don't think any lesser of them.

613
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.440
They are still a great team.
I still think they're worthy of winning the

614
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.320
championship. But they just didn't show
up on Saturday. I mean they had

615
00:37:55.400 --> 00:38:00.920
negative one yards the first quarter,
negative one yards indeed, I mean I

616
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.199
think Arlington had like ninety seven or
one hundred. I mean it was,

617
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:06.639
you know, watching from the they
it was kind of cool there. I

618
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.719
did like in the San Antonio they
had obviously you have your TV feed,

619
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.360
but they had a really good kind
of scoreboards going throughout. I thought was

620
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.320
helpful for kind of keeping track up
there because sometimes in the press box here

621
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.239
a little lost with like, okay, what's like, what the hell is

622
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.599
going on here? But uh it
just if you had told anyone, I

623
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:22.679
know, so much was made and
you know, you kind of missed the

624
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.760
whole playoff screwuple, screw cuffle,
whatever that word is, kind of being

625
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.239
in kirkfuffle, kind of being in
you know, you know, being in

626
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.159
Japan and traveling and everythingody. You
know, if you had told anyone watching

627
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.280
the game, Arlington is that is
the ten and one team. Arlington's the

628
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.440
ten and one team here, and
DC is the four and six team that

629
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.880
happened to get their way into the
playoffs. I don't think anyone would have

630
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.159
thought any different if you returned it
on the game for the first time.

631
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.400
No, I mean that's the thing. You kind of had to throw the

632
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.519
records out. And I know that's
a cliche, but it really felt like

633
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:53.719
that during the game. I mean, it didn't seem to matter. Like

634
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.119
I said, this Arlington team was
not even close to being the same team

635
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.039
that I saw a month and a
half ago. But again, their offensive

636
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.559
gameplay was just so solid. Again, like their their mix of running pass

637
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.440
was awesome. Luis was super accurate
for DC. I mean the killer one

638
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.159
for them, which is not on
the highlight reels, was Chris Blair dropping

639
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.719
that pass in the fourth quarter.
That was it once he dropped that long

640
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.159
pass from Tom. Because Tom was
throwing some great d passes, don't get

641
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.800
me wrong, like he hit hit
some of his spots. He hit one

642
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.679
to Josh Hammond earlier in the game. Hammond had a great game by the

643
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.320
way he was, he was awesome. But yeah, that dropped by Blair

644
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.280
was just absolutely killer. Something you
don't get over, and it just completely

645
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.119
destroyed any sense of momentum and you
felt it in the crowd. They all

646
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:42.239
just everyone just kind of sighed collectively
when Blair dropped that ball and it stopped

647
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.199
them from mounting a cutback against arling
thing because if they get that pass,

648
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.960
I mean, you're talking about thirty
five twenty six at that point in the

649
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.800
game, which is more with about
five or six minutes left in the game

650
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:57.840
as opposed to a minute less than
two minutes and then having to go for

651
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.880
the fourth down conversion. So yeah, it just after that, you knew

652
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.079
it just wasn't there night, Like
it just wasn't gonna happen. Yeah,

653
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.360
there was, I tweeted in our
group child, I said, this is

654
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.639
the game. I mean, this
is the game. And there's some things

655
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.559
like that where you just can't get
that momentum back, you know, whatever

656
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.000
happens. And we've seen that in
hockey games and baseball game, Like when

657
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.639
the momentum it just felt like that
was their last grasp it shifted. And

658
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.639
you know, I thought because I
was sitting there and and Derney was up

659
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.880
there. You know, with the
X Fans Show, we were kind of

660
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.800
joking and you know, we kept
saying like, oh, you know,

661
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.760
Arlington's got it, and then your
DC would score. It's like okay,

662
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.840
but then Arlington would immediately answer again
come back. It just never felt like

663
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:39.440
the game that DC was playing,
like, yeah, they're gonna get two

664
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.880
touchdowns here in the last four minutes
in time the game, Like it just

665
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.199
never felt like that was really kind
of like when we had in Seattle with

666
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.599
DC for the playoff game, Like
in Seattle, really gonna get eighteen points

667
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.280
or whatever here in the last six
minutes of the game, Like after playing

668
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.280
like absolute dog trash the first three
quarters, Like, I really don't think

669
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.360
so, I just don't. I
don't see the momentum shifting in that way.

670
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.719
I knew DC was going to score
in a third quarter because they always

671
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.000
do. They always come out with
a great second half adjustment and they're able

672
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.480
to score in the third quarter.
They've been doing it all season. But

673
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.239
the difference here again is that Arlington
answered. Lenny Brown scored two touchdowns in

674
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.760
the third quarter. He had a
running touchdown and then he had that long

675
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.639
touchdown where also DC made a horrendous
mistake kicking the ball out of bounds and

676
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.760
then giving great field position to the
Renegades, which they took advantage of immediately,

677
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:27.679
and Police Prez was able to hit
that pass to Lenny Browne and ran

678
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.480
it in. It was just like, Okay, they clearly have the answers

679
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.360
for DC. They made score,
but they're going to score right back Like

680
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.280
that to me was just the other
thing. They were able to weather that

681
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.480
storm and take those punches even when
DC was trying to mount a comeback.

682
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.599
It just Arlington had all the answers. They led from wire to wire.

683
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.960
It felt that way, and it
never felt in doubt at any point.

684
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:51.000
It never felt like they were just
going to do it. The only thing

685
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.519
that could have happened for them maybe
again, is if Perez threw a pick,

686
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.159
which is what I said on the
stream onside, I say, if

687
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.599
he cannot throw a backbreaking intersept in
this game, because that's going that's going

688
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:06.679
to come back and haunt them.
And it didn't happen. Again. Arlington

689
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.360
was mistake free and their game plan
was fantastic and they had all the answers.

690
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.760
Yeah, there was weird kicking issues
the whole game. I thought I

691
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.000
thought it was really weird. We
had a couple of kickoffs like that.

692
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.800
Then I'm like, what is it
like, you're in the dome here,

693
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.639
We're week twelve. Like, I
just was kind of surprised that there were

694
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.679
still kickoff issues here going into the
championship game a little bit. I mean,

695
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.199
maybe it was just the nerves getting
to them. It's it's unfortunate and

696
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.039
that just happened for a couple of
different reasons. But I mean, nerves

697
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.400
are going to get to you in
that kind of game. One of the

698
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.880
things that I was mentally impressed by
were some of the players who did step

699
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.320
up. Though. Tyler Bonds was
awesome. Oh my god. I saw

700
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.480
him basically with that sideline catch that
he had early in the first quarter and

701
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.519
he got a deep pass from Perez
and got smacked out of bounds and held

702
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.440
onto the ball and just the entire
sideline was like yeah, you know,

703
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.559
they were all rallying around him.
He had the best game of his entire

704
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.679
season. You know, someone like
Javonte Peyton didn't really show up in this

705
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.679
game, but he didn't have to. Again. Sal Canella caught his first

706
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.079
touchdown the entire year. Like Canella
had gotten catches all year, but I

707
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.679
was almost like shocked when he got
that forty year on touchdown and the first

708
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.800
the first drive, I was like, oh my God, where's that been

709
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.480
all season? You know, like
just things that what we expected didn't happen

710
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:27.360
in this game. Right again,
what seeing Arlington's offense. I mean,

711
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:32.800
Arlington scored forty points, like they
had a real opportunity to score forty points.

712
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.039
They're only mistake they really made was
when they bubbled that ball in the

713
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:38.960
fourth quarter. But but then they
were up by too much and I think

714
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.159
DC just was not going to come
back. But again, like this game

715
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:49.000
just didn't go chalk. It was
completely opposite of our expectations. And yeah,

716
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:51.679
again you have to give credit to
Arlington for just being able to make

717
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:53.800
these adjustments mid season and even at
the end of the season. I mean,

718
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.400
they scored nine points against Houston the
last game, and you're still thinking,

719
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.800
like this, the Steam disc game
can't score. There's no way they're

720
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.480
going to win next week. It
was there. This wasn't like something that

721
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.639
you know, there wasn't even signs
of it at the end of the regular

722
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.519
season. The only sign was that, okay, well they played with DC,

723
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.679
but it just never felt like they
were going to get it together in

724
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:17.360
time, and miraculously they did when
Louise and they they showed it on I

725
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.760
can remember if they showed it in
the stadium or if I just saw it

726
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:25.599
on Twitter that Louise's halftime him his
halftime locker room cheer. Did they show

727
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.760
that in the stadium? Where was
that just on my Twitter? It's all

728
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.960
kind of a blurn out. No, that was only on Twitter. They

729
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.360
didn't show that on the highlights package. But I did check it on Twitter

730
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.679
during the game, and I thought
that was that was great. I mean,

731
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.440
he was just in it. Well, there's something I did something to

732
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.480
be said. They were I'm like, this man is going to will this

733
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.719
team to win. Like we're kind
of getting that right now with Yanni gord

734
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.960
here with the Kraken where he's playing, and he's been with Tampa and everything.

735
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.519
But you know, you can get, you know, if you're in

736
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.320
a position like that to kind of
will your team. And I really did

737
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:58.199
feel like Louise is not losing this
game, Like I really felt like he

738
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.719
was so lock didn't. Here's my
question for you, and then we'll kind

739
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:02.480
of round out here. We'll get
out of here. At the hour,

740
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.119
Louis Perez won the game. TEAMU
played better arguably during the season. Who

741
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:15.199
do you see now having more success
transitioning out. I see Tayammu getting signed

742
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.000
before Louis Perez. I just think
age and everything. What do you make

743
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.960
of that with those two quarterbacks.
I think Tom was going to get another

744
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.599
shot, because I will say this, as much as I am immenseally impressed

745
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.199
by Perez and his ability to survive
all these situations, to this season,

746
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.000
improved the most just from game to
game. I mean from week one versus

747
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.760
your Dragons versus you know, the
middle of the season, the end of

748
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.239
the season. I mean, he
just got better, especially as a deep

749
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:44.719
deep ball passer. He got way
better, better than he was a few

750
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.480
years ago, better than he was
in the USFL last year. He just

751
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.079
improved immensely end over end. He
is a great athlete. He can run,

752
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:59.039
he has a better sense of being
able to dissect defenses. Is I

753
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.440
think his body as probably now more
in shape and he's able to kind of

754
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:06.480
take I mean, he takes hits. Should he be taking those hits?

755
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.239
No, I don't want any quarterback
taking those hits. But he's definitely a

756
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:14.639
lot more sturdier than some of his
contemporaries. So I think for him,

757
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.159
I think he's going to get another
opportunity to stay out a squad and maybe

758
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.840
this time he finally stays, you
know, not just floating around on the

759
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:22.760
practice squad, like maybe he's actually
be able to be a third stringer or

760
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.079
something. As far as Prez goes, yeah, I think he's kind of

761
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.559
maxed out on his potential as far
as making a roster but and if he

762
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.119
does, great, But again,
I think his skill set is best best

763
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.760
utilized in leagues like this because he's
able to just be able to be so

764
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:44.480
versatile and being able to jump from
team to team and be able to readjust

765
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.920
on the fly. But for trauma, yeah, I think he's he has

766
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:52.480
the better NFL prospects. I would
say, yeah, they got a comment

767
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.719
here, Delta Cardinals should be looking
at next quarterbacks. Murray won't be back

768
00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:00.119
until December, you know exactly.
It's interesting and obviously the timeline because DC

769
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.039
and Arlington they're in the championship game. So you know, that's why did

770
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.440
Nucci kind of got the jump start
because he was able to go to you

771
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.159
know, do the tryout. But
you know, de Nucci is a little

772
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.559
more more free with the ball.
I would trust the ball a little bit

773
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:17.519
more with Teambu going in there,
you know where you want that backup role,

774
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.800
Like just please come in and don't
throw away the game where I think

775
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.760
Ben's really gonna have to not try
to do as much. Do you I

776
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.119
know we talked to di Nucci off
the top. I have some comments here

777
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.000
as well before we get out,
but like, do you know what I'm

778
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.440
saying. I like, I don't
like de Nucci as that backup just because

779
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.440
I don't know if I trust him
not to throw with the ball. He's

780
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:37.480
a gun slicker, and that's the
thing. He's going to have to find

781
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.800
a way to run that in.
And if there's somebody again who's gonna do

782
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.159
that, it's gonna be Sean Payton. Sean Payton will tell you what you're

783
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.480
doing right or wrong. You know, he's not afraid to do that.

784
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.440
I think if Ben's gonna have a
chance, he's gonna need to listen to

785
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.239
him because has it you know,
obviously we made so much so much about

786
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.559
Haslit wanting to take you know,
de Nucci out behind the woodshed a few

787
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.920
times because of how of this play
style and you know, it's funny,

788
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.119
hilarious, but in the NFL,
you can't do that like you need to.

789
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.320
I know these all these players have
bravado, and some of them are

790
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.480
able to get their way because of
certain concessions that their GM or their owner

791
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.719
might make towards them. Kyler Murray
is one of those examples. But you

792
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.800
know, with Ben de Nucci,
he has to find a way to be

793
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.719
able to ring on him because he
doesn't have that same leash as some of

794
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.400
these other players. You know,
that's why he's in this kind of league.

795
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:27.440
He needs to be able to build
his pedigree back up and be able

796
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.159
to say, hey, I can
learn, I can develop. You know,

797
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:31.679
I'm not just gonna do it my
way. Even though he plays like

798
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:36.199
that. He has to be able
to at least show the coaching staff that

799
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:38.519
he's willing to make adjustments as he
goes along. So yeah, if he's

800
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:43.199
going to survive, that's that's gonna
have to be an adjustment on his part.

801
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.239
And I will say this, Look, there's gonna be injuries during the

802
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.960
entire season. There's gonna be so
many injuries during the NFL season. Guys

803
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.119
who don't get signed now probably could
signed later on because it's just it happens

804
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.480
as the nature of the beast.
It's the nature of the business, and

805
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.400
there's gonna be coaching staffs and scouts
that kind of look at players and say,

806
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:00.760
well, this is really help right
now, but you know, let's

807
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.880
keep them on the back burner and
they'll at least have that tape and that

808
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.920
that exposure now to where something does
happen in the fall, they go,

809
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.280
oh, no, what are we
doing. Well, remember that guy we

810
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.360
kind of looked at earlier, Yeah, I do, And then maybe they

811
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.800
go back and maybe pick him up, because that's gonna happen. There's gonna

812
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.039
be injuries, There's gonna be opportunities
for these players. May not be right

813
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.000
now, and it may not be
at the beginning of the season, but

814
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.159
at some point during the NFL season
they will have a chance. Well also,

815
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:29.079
and you're just not only the tape, but you're just more in game

816
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:30.360
shape. I mean, obviously you're
never in game shape. Game shape,

817
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.519
it's all you've been off football for
two and a half years here, you

818
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.960
know. Heineke of the reason why
he was able to transition to the Washington

819
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.320
football team was because he had just
been up to game shape, even not

820
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.719
taking snaps for the ballot Hawks a
couple questions here before we get out.

821
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.079
Joebu has a question, they'll be
interesting if they build continuity with the rosters.

822
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:51.239
That's criticulture, improving the execution,
and then the end quality of football.

823
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.800
If you haven't seen our talk with
Trell Buckley from the live pre show,

824
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:58.559
all those interviews or time coded,
so you can go back to our

825
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.960
live show, just go and watch
that. But we asked Coach Buckley about

826
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:07.719
that about like whether what's coming next
with showcases, and he was talking about

827
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.039
like, well, we're still we're
figuring out like how we can retain players

828
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.880
and how we're going to rebuild and
move down the round. So I would

829
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.119
check out that if you were interested
in any thoughts on that. They're Buckley

830
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.320
and kind of the retaining players moving
forward, I mean as far as con

831
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.039
nuity goes. Again, something that
we looked at with the USFL this year,

832
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.440
and one of the things that I
liked was that some of these players

833
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.639
were moving kind of rolling over and
playing a little bit better than they were

834
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:35.719
the year before. But look,
your top end guys are going to get

835
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.760
the opportunities and they're going to be
gone. That's just the reality of it.

836
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.679
You know, your best quarterbacks aren't
regone your best D line in your

837
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:45.440
offensive lineman. You're receivers. You
know, Jakor Pearson. I don't expect

838
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:46.880
him to come back with Seattle,
but I love him too, of course.

839
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.599
But if he gets the right opportunity, he's gone. Like he's a

840
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.480
mensely talented receiver. And I think
for maybe some of the guys who were

841
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.559
improving or still kind of finding their
way. Yeah, you hope they stay

842
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.639
on the same rooster and you're able
to kind of be like, all right,

843
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:05.280
I'm familiar with him. I remember
him. He wasn't great, but

844
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.079
I do remember him, and that's
something that does help going forward, you

845
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:14.280
know. I hope and I think
they will have some continuity there because it

846
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.639
does help with you know, for
fans to get involved with and be able

847
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:21.599
to be invested in as well.
So yeah, my answer to that is,

848
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.880
your top line guys are gone,
but if you can have some continuity,

849
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.320
that's at least a start. But
again, the XFL pitches themselves as

850
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.519
the league of opportunity, and a
lot of that opportunity is moving him onto

851
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:36.480
the NFL. Yeah, act my
age here, I can't remember which Jersey

852
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.360
he got, he's got, he's
a prize winner here. XFL is taken

853
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.119
the next step and needs to take
the next step now retain key talent.

854
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.880
NFL assigns some players, but most
will be available next year. XFL needs

855
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.320
to spend money and give key quarterbacks. There's some money to bring them back,

856
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.519
you know, you gotta. It's
always that balance. We've talked and

857
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.320
I disagreed with the coach back to
when we talk to him in Arizona.

858
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.000
I want every player to get on
an NFL roster, like, hey,

859
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.679
that's not realistic, but that's not
practical the kind of what you're trying to

860
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.360
do here in the league. I
do think you obviously you want players to

861
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.559
get that you know, the success
and those opportunities, But I don't think

862
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:13.599
you still have to be a football
league. You still NXT and WWE still

863
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.960
has to you know, put on
TV products every week while also getting players

864
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.039
up to the main roster. It's
it's a really tough balance. I would

865
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.559
look at NXT and I know we
hate Vincikman and all of that. NXT

866
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.679
now is different NXT before they did
the revamp. It's like, how do

867
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:29.159
we have that They did a really
good job. How do we you know,

868
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:30.800
we pay a little bit extra.
We got like Tomasso, Chompa and

869
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.679
stuff. You're like, how do
we build storylines and people care about here,

870
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:37.639
but also trying to develop players for
the main roster. It is possible.

871
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.760
It is possible to do that,
but it does take a lot more

872
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.840
work. It does take a lot
more work, and let's be realistic.

873
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:45.519
The finances are not there to keep
some of these guys around if some of

874
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.079
them, yes, some of them
though, and again, some of these

875
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.920
players aren't just fit for the NFL. Some of them are, you know,

876
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:53.280
more geared to be in this league. The same thing happens in the

877
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:59.360
CFL. There's a lot of guys
that I see that are great for CFL

878
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.559
roster but not good for an NFL
roster. And I think it's gonna be

879
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:06.800
the same thing here for the XFL. We won't know that answer until we

880
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.719
get multiple years and we see players
who are more committed to this lifestyle and

881
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:13.400
saying, hey, I just want
to play in the spring, and I

882
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.360
don't really want to commit myself to
that kind of level of of you know,

883
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.679
play in the next level. I
just want to be able to get

884
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.760
out there and play period, not
just be a stuck in a practice squad.

885
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.000
You're going to have those guys and
that will help your league ultimately.

886
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.880
But as far as shelving out more
money, that's something that is going to

887
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.840
take some time or at least that
has to be a hard line discussion with

888
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.719
the league ownership. And I don't
think that's something they're going to be able

889
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.119
to afford right now. So that
part of it is tricky. It is

890
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.599
a tough balance, right, And
it's not something you know until you get

891
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.679
further on down the road of Okay, what's working, what's not, and

892
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.119
who's actually willing to stay around?
And you know, I still don't know

893
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.400
if that's the case for the USFL, right like we you know, once

894
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.000
we get into two year three,
maybe we'll know that. But as far

895
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:59.280
as now, I don't know if
most of these guys are still going to

896
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.880
be there next year. Uh we
hear you. It's just talking continuity here,

897
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.280
John Christian Arlington winning at all might
throw yeah, you were still in

898
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:08.800
the playoff change, I don't know. I mean, if Arlington had come

899
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.920
in and craft the bad, they'd
be different. Uh here before we get

900
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:15.239
out, So you know that Tom
Hardy mean where he's like, that's bait

901
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.440
here, this is Joe Boo wants. Now, how about we get Andy

902
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.960
on the record predicting how many players
will get NFL contracts USFL. I believe

903
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.239
they're claiming sixty. I think that
some players that that like double dipped or

904
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.719
weren't necessarily on rosters that were signed. I believe XFL twenty twenty have like

905
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.440
seventy, right if that's if I
and please do not read strang. I

906
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:43.719
believe Mike has all of those numbers. But you know USFL had fifty.

907
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.480
I think kind of more or less. And then you know, obviously comante

908
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.199
chirping and all that. What do
you think with the XFL here, it's

909
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.440
so hard to predict because of how
many players stick around in the NFL and

910
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:58.519
some who get replaced by these other
players, well know the quality of how

911
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.960
much all this preparation and all this
playing time in the spring really benefits them.

912
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.639
I mean, I guess it would
be somewhere around the same number sixty

913
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:14.840
to seventy's that would be my guests, because that's it really depends on you

914
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.679
know, the practice squad is really
the biggest thing right, Like, getting

915
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:22.000
on the main roster is really hard
to do, but getting on a practice

916
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:27.440
squad is more feasible. So somewhere
between sixty to seventy that would be my

917
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:29.679
guess. When it's all said and
done, I'm gonna have to stay in

918
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:34.920
that ballpark number because otherwise it's just
really hard to keep predicting that these guys

919
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.079
are going to retain. And mind
you, they're still XFL players from you

920
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.480
know, several years ago. They're
still on these rosters, right, I

921
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.320
mean, Peter Walker's still floating around, Hideki is still flawing around. Some

922
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.559
of these other guys are still hanging
around from a few years ago. So

923
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:50.079
now you're talking about XBEL players replacing
the XFL players from a few years ago,

924
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.880
Like, you know, the competition
just gets tough. So yeah,

925
00:55:53.000 --> 00:56:00.800
I mean, i'd say that at
best sixty to seventy, conservatively thirty to

926
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.800
forty, because again I don't know
how many roster spots there really are located.

927
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.000
I'll have to look at at each
practice squad and kind of reevaluate that.

928
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:13.159
So that so sealing is sixty to
seventy, floor is thirty to forty.

929
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.039
This was what I was thinking this
morning, and I think that obviously

930
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:21.719
XFL twenty twenty exists in the vacuum, right, half a season done COVID,

931
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:27.000
you know that exists in the vacuum. USFL last year exists in the

932
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.960
vacuum as well, because that you
know, there was no competing league.

933
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.599
They were they were the fund the
line in if you were trying to get

934
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.239
I think this year, I think
both XFL and USFL will be lower than

935
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.079
the USFL had, right because like
you've talked about, you know, now

936
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:44.360
we're doubling down, we're piling up, we're piling up. But my question

937
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:50.000
is if let's say XFL got thirty
five, did USFL get fifteen, or

938
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.440
does XFL you know, if XFL
gets forty years because because again playing later,

939
00:56:55.039 --> 00:57:00.960
you know you're now if we're competing
against XFL twenty twenty back law USFL

940
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:04.679
twenty twenty two, XFL now and
then USFL like you're piling on that and

941
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.760
they're just there are only so many
spots. So that's my thing. And

942
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:12.000
I'm sure people will trump at USFL
twenty twenty versus XL twenty twenty three.

943
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.199
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Just because of you know there,

944
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.400
like I just said, but any
other thoughts on that before we get out,

945
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.559
Yeah, you're right, I mean, there's so much competition now there

946
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.239
are. This is the first time
we've had two leagues that have players that

947
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.760
can get signed. We've never had
this before, and so I think that's

948
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.599
something that I don't know, there's
no really straight answer for that. The

949
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.800
only thing that would ever improve that
is if we had more an NFL teams

950
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.880
obviously, which is very distinct possibility. We've been hearing things about that coming

951
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.880
from that league and potentially players playing
in Europe and all that. But as

952
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.599
far as right now, I mean, yeah, it's probably gonna be less

953
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.039
players than people expect because there's all
that backlog, and there's all the teams,

954
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.239
and there's all the players that had
already been signed from last year and

955
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:57.079
from twenty twenty in those other iterations
you know, even be gosh, even

956
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.679
maybe like TSL players you know that
were signed as well. So with that

957
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.199
in mind, it's really hard to
predict it being the same exact numbers as

958
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.239
it has been of the past.
This is all new data for us,

959
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.440
and it's all new extenuating circumstances this
picture. That's why it's so tough for

960
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:13.760
us, because the picture keeps evolving, keeps changing. It's there's a lot

961
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.360
of speculation because this is all unprecedented, This is new for us. This

962
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.519
is a new territory. And the
words of Roddy Piper, just when you

963
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.400
think you've got the answers, I
changed the question so that we'll do that.

964
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:28.679
We're gonna get out. I'm gonna
get my life, my suitcases and

965
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.920
stuff. I'm packed now if you
are, even if you're not a hockey

966
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:36.880
fan, Arlington, you've won the
title here. Let's give goodwill to the

967
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.000
cracking tonight. We have a pillow
game seven. I gotta go to the

968
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:44.400
watch party over at Climate Pledge.
Big time there, big time show coming

969
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.599
up this week. I just conferred
with Ko Kublick, going to be coming

970
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.559
on. Cole was on the sidelines. Get Cole kind of a post retrospective

971
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.079
of the championship game, the XTFL
season. I got Jim Mullen coming on

972
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:59.079
as well, talking CFL and all
the u sports and the SFU kind of

973
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:01.480
all that stuff. Jim's got thoughts
in the XFL, the USFL, and

974
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.079
then I'm trying to work with Mike. Mike actually busy trying to get Mike

975
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.280
scheduled coming on either this week next
week, kind of like you know you

976
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.639
l twenty twenty three in retrospective,
Andy, should I should I give away

977
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.239
who are big USFL guest is on
the podcast? Or should I should I

978
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:20.400
tease that out? Because you know, keep teasing. No, as much

979
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:22.000
as I love to open my Christmas
s gift early, keep teasing it.

980
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.280
Okay, Well, we have a
big, big special USFL guests coming up

981
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.719
this week. I know we did
lots of XFL talk today. I did

982
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:32.719
not watch a second of US football
this weekend. I did see the Philadelphia

983
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.559
won the game with eight field goals. I don't know if that's a good

984
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.519
thing or a bad thing, but
they did win. They said the record

985
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:44.079
I guess a professional football record.
Yeah, eight field goals, which is

986
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:46.360
immense. Well, it's real football, Andy, it's real football. They

987
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:50.840
got real football records, they got
to do, they got really and anything

988
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:52.079
else from you. It was great
to see Andy in person again. We

989
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.320
had a lot of fun. Like
I've told you, you know off,

990
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.679
Mike, I appreciate all of your
help everything else, obviously, Anthony,

991
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:04.039
everyone for the live show, and
Matthew and Fran and Jared hanging out everything

992
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:06.440
else, see eything else from you
before we get out of here. I

993
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:07.679
just want to say, I mean, it was tremendous to see you and

994
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:12.400
everybody there and also just be able
to experience that community and full force.

995
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.519
Being able to see it like that, that's something I just imagine I wouldn't

996
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:20.719
be part of a few years ago
and again to see it just so formed

997
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:22.719
out and to see where it's going. You know it can improve. Can

998
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.679
it be even better in the future. I really do believe it can be.

999
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.320
But from where we've started and where
we've gotten to at this point,

1000
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.519
it was so cool to be part
of that experience. I will never forget

1001
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.719
it, and I just want to
continue seeing more and more improvements like that

1002
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.079
in the future. But yeah,
I can't wait to do more of these

1003
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.320
because it was so fun, and
I hope this continues. There's real potential

1004
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.000
in this. There really is.
I think there's a place for this and

1005
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:54.519
I will trumpet it forever until until
my last breath. Yeah, Chris,

1006
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:58.360
here at my age, we did
a whole breakdown, go back, just

1007
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.239
rewind the street we did the whole
break down. We got everybody. Six

1008
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:06.800
players XFL so far and probably still
maybe more have come down since I've been

1009
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:07.840
on the street, but we had
six, so we started. We've been

1010
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.280
here for an hour or so.
There you go. They sat on the

1011
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.639
pivot. The planning for twenty twenty
four starts today. Thanks again everyone at

1012
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.639
XFL rolling up the red carpet as
always for us and Anthony and getting to

1013
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:22.840
participate in all of that stuff.
And I know that Andy would have been

1014
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:27.679
a part of that. He was
busy traveling and all that way get through

1015
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.880
everything. I appreciate everyone. Check
out the show Friday, and I think

1016
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.079
that's it. Will How do I
get the heck out of here? We

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will see you next time. Thanks
everyone,

