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Good day, Bobo, How are you

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good? Dan? Good? How's
it going with you? All right?

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Man? Just settling in after a
pretty long day at work. I'm a

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little tired by my brain's a little
fuzzier at this point after work and everything.

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Um, it's as fuzzy on the
insides as my head is on the

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outside. But I'm sure we'll meander
off into various topics, topics and stuff

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because this is the topical episode.
We do it semi occasionally, probably once

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every couple of months, whenever we
feel like it, and where we kind

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of go through newspaper articles or you
know, news articles, of some sort,

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because newspapers are rare things, probably
rare than sasquatches are nowadays. But

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we have a number of articles that
we thought were interesting in one way or

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another, and we all been emailing
them around, and we're just going to

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go through them and talk about them
and how they pertain to the Sasquatch,

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if they do at all, and
if they don't, then we're gonna just

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talk about why we think they're interesting. So we'll try to give sources,

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and we'll try to expand on them
a little bit. Hopefully we'll we'll all

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we all will have learned something by
by the time we're done, although I

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can't count on that one. First
one, it comes from Science. It

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is actually a journal article published in
Science in February of twenty twenty three,

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and it talks about I like this
one a lot. This is one of

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the ones that I gave to us. It basically talks about the expanded geographic

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distribution and dietary strategies of the earliest
Old One hominins and paranthropists. That's a

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lot of a lot of syllables in
there for our listeners in here, So

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let me tell you what's actually going
on. Basically, here's the deal,

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and you can see pretty quickly how
this will tie into sasquatches. I think,

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because as most people who listen to
this note, I am of the

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opinion, and its course, it's
just opinion. There's no data to support

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this. At this point, I
speculate that Sasquatches are relict paranthropists. At

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this point. Everybody else seems to
like to go the gigant Epithecus route,

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and maybe they're right, but there's
not a whole lot of evidence for that.

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For that either, I am firmly
in the paranthropist camp. Paranthropist is

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a hominin. Hominin is a fancy
pant's words, a word for anything on

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our family tree, no matter how
far away that branch is. Ever since

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humans split from our last common ancestru
with chimpanzees about six million years ago,

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give or take a little bit,
so anything on our family tree, which

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includes things like Neanderthals or Denisovans,
or things like Homorectus or Homo habilists,

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and even the Australopithesines. The Australopithesnes
were an early Homo nin there's that word

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again. They were so different from
us they don't even qualify for the Homo

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genus. The first one of us
that had the Homo genus was Homo habilists,

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and the transition from Australopitheesnes into Homo
habilists, of course, is a

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consequence of smaller dentation, smaller jaws
because before Homo habilists, you know,

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they have pretty robust jaws and for
chewing and whatnot, but also a larger

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brain size because Australopitheesnes were basically upright
chimpanzees, you know, plus a little

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bit but not much, but plus
a little bit based on the volume of

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their brain case. And when Homo
habilists kicked in, well, they had

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some special features there. They domesticated
fire, basically they could control and create

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fire. They also had a wide
array of tool use and whatnot, which

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is what we're getting to here with
this article, because basically tool use is

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attributed to Homo habilists, and I
kind of the earliest tools are called old

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Dowan tools, named after a place
in Eastern Africa where they were I believe

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initially discovered. It's the olda Vi
gorge in Tanzania is what old tools are

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named after. Um and they're basically
imagine taking a rock of some sort,

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hitting it with another rock, A
pretty crude like a chip would come off,

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and that chip is sharper than the
round rock that you made it out

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of. So that's basically the gist
of what old Wan tools are about.

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The earliest ones that we knew about
until just recently was about we're about two

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point six million years ago, and
these are the earliest tools, the earliest

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tool technology that we're aware of,
you know, out of except for sticks

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and stuff like that. But the
deal is is that they uncovered new fossilized

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Well, the Older One tools aren't
gonna be fosilized because they're already rocks,

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but they uncovered Oldowan tools that dated
about three million years ago. And the

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thing about it that makes us special
is the we don't know exactly what made

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these Older one tools, but paranthropists
paranthropists fossils were discovered in the same strata

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as the tools, suggesting perhaps that
they were the ones responsible for making the

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Older One tools. Well, that's
interesting because it's intertaining them me at least,

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because I'm always looking for evidence that
might support my hypothesis that sasquatches are

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just a relic form of paranthropists.
There's some problems with that, but I've

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talked about this in the podcast before. I don't think I need to go

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into it too far. But you
know, sasquatches haven't really been observed using

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tools so much beyond the basics,
you know, beyond using rocks to smash

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open clams, which is what sea
otters do, so that's not that special.

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You know, they've been seeing carrying
sticks around, but never using them

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for anything. To my knowledge,
I don't know what they're using them for,

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but it seems reasonable since they certainly
share a common ancestor with chimpanzees and

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the other ape species, and they
use various tools like pieces of grass and

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sticks and whatnot for going into termite
mounds and you know, doing this and

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that. Or gorillas have been observed
using sticks to test how deep water is

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before they cross that sort of thing. So certainly sasquatches use sticks for something.

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Maybe they use them for banging on
trees, we don't know. There

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have been a couple observations of them
doing that. Paranthropists using tools, that'd

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be a big deal. That'd be
a really big deal. And as far

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and what I wouldn't say it would
shatter or totally ruin my hypothesis as sasquatches

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or parantherpists, because I chose paranthropist
because you know, if it seems to

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me that fire and tool use fashioning
tools and using them, those adaptations would

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be just too useful to get rid
of once they've been acquired. So I

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wanted to look before Homo habilists,
the first homanent that we knew until just

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recently, we're doing this sort of
thing, this behavior. I thought that

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that made reasonable sense, and I
think it still does make reasonable sense.

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But if paranthropists are universally using tools, well then there's an issue. We

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got to look somewhere else for a
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And it's also entirely possible that various
cultures of paranthropists used tools, but not

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all of them. Say, for
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how to use these tools, but
parantherpist boise I never did. Because there

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are three or so species of paranthropians
out there. Yeah, so we don't

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know, we don't know. But
sasquatches, I would say, I mean,

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correct me if I'm wrong, Bobo. That's part of the reason you're

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here is to correct me when I'm
wrong about things. Not a lot of

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reports of them using tools be on
the basics. Do you have anything in

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your vast rolodex of citing in your
brain of hoasquatch is using tools for anything?

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Much beyond what I mentioned. I've
heard. I've heard a couple of

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people claiming they've seen him opening up
a elk or you know, some kind

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of angle with a sharp, sharp
edged rock and just slicing up in the

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belly. But one guy was Patchy
or novelho or somewhere down around in four

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corners, he claimed. I talked
to him. I never forgot it was

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like contact information. It was just
like in front of a store or gas

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station or something. He said,
Yeah, you know, he took the

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rock and he slit it just right
right up the belly, and he said

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it was a sharp looked like a
you know, like an old hand tool

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style. Well, you know,
that's exactly what these were used for.

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That's exactly what these old one tools
were used for. They're pretty crude,

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I mean, they're there. They
represent some of the earliest technology that was

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fashioned by our hands and they're basically
choppers, scrapers and cutting tools. Um,

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so that might actually lies square in
this wheelhouse here, so to speak.

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Um that if if that observation is
valid, um, that kind of

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that that's this, you know,
that's what we're talking about here. If

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if the sasquatch made the tool right, he just could have found a rock

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and that that was you know whatever, it was an avalanche, it got

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chipped up, coming down, landed
like that or whatever. I mean,

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So it doesn't mean he made it, but he rectus. I mean he

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still had the capacity to process it's
potentially used and to apply it right.

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Yeah, now you know, Um, I've heard of other kills like deer

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kills and whatnot being discovered in various
places where the skin seemed to have been

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sliced in various ways. And I
have it in my head. I don't

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know if it was because somebody told
me they observed this, or or if

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it was it was as if the
sasquatch did this, But um, I

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have it in my head that it
was sliced, cut with a nail,

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like a thumbnail or something like.
Yeah, I heard I've heard that.

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I've heard of the thumbnail. One
you've heard that. I'm not making that

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up good, so that because yeah, all right, my my refriend.

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You know, it's hard for me
to retrieve stuff from the depths of my

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memory sometimes. So you've heard that
then before? Oh yeah, for sure.

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Can you remember anything else about what
you heard? One of it was

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a domestic animal. It might have
been a horse. Hmm okay that the

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sasquash broke its neck like you know, jumped on it and snapped his head

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around and broke its neck and then
just made a fist and stuck its stumb

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out and like lift it up the
back leg and just went right down the

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belly. Pretty sharp nails, man, Yeah, that's what nails are for.

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Yeah. Yeah. And then even
something blunt, you know, can

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with enough strength, can puncture something
like that. There's a couple of hands

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handcasts in the set now that that
show nails. So if these things are

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protruding like a quarter inch past the
end of their thumb or so, that's

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probably all you need. Well high
high could be pretty thick, like horse

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hide or you know, especially like
a moose or something or bear. Yeah,

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yeah, but a little bit of
sharp It's not like they has to

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be raised or sharp, just has
to be nail sharp, combined with this

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crazy strength that they have pushing through. Yeah, we couldn't cut through it

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with something like that, like if
we had the equivalent. No, no,

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despite my own immense strength, No, you know, I have the

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strength of ten men, ten very
very very weak men. I got the

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strength of ten men, two dogs, and a small child, all at

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sasquatches and tool use. What else
do we have? I mean we

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have it. We have them breaking
freshwater clams or probably saltwater clams with rocks

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for the ternise. Now do we
have a report of that or is that

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just an assumed behavior? Yeah?
Yeah, when I talked to that,

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Yeah, I talked to three different
people on the Apache Reservation that side.

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I've seen reports. People have written, um, you know all the ones

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I've seen it in southwest Arizona,
New Mexico, that area. Okay,

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interesting, what else we have anything? So the fingernails and the splitting the

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hide open, that's something say that. One guy said that he saw one

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with a possible rock tool. But
you know, if they're making these things,

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wouldn't we be finding a lot more
of these things, because you know,

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archaeologists are out there looking for these
as evidence of you know, indigenous

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occupation of the land from you know, past feelings. Wouldn't we be finding

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a lot more of these things of
Sasquatches are around doing them, you'd imagine,

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Um, I don't think they did
that, but but Pauli's dug up

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some. He's really into the Sasquatches
uses fire, but they're just very very

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careful about it. Really. Yeah, he found some and I thought too,

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like writings about where they when they
did the first when the first interviews,

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when the when the first half apologists
came out to the West coast,

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they're interviewing the tribal members. They
were saying that the hills used to have

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smoke popping up all over from the
Sasquatch fires when they had their they had

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their cats, but that when the
wet man came with their guns, they

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quit using fire because the white man
could find him too easy. Is this

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in one of his two big Foot
books? Or is this like just a

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personal conversation you've had with them,
or I think he's written it somewhere.

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He's talked about it on his YouTube
channel. I'm sure, but I talked

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to him about it. I know
I've seen it somewhere with him, but

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I've talked to him about it in
person. And I said, yeah,

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I saw the same citation, and
I said but yeah, I don't.

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I don't know, Like it's not
to say about that because and then he

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writes about in his first book,
I think it was about finding a fire

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where there was on a sand bar
near by there was huge tracks with like

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a six foot stride. It's pretty
flimsy, I mean, it's not.

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I mean, I guess if that
was your personal experience, and you'd say,

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and that was on the climate the
river actually with his dad back in

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like the late sixties or something,
he was a little boy. His dad

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was like a hard ass outdoorsman,
like badass dude, and his dad really

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studied the tracks, looked real concerned
and then grabbed him by the hand,

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which he never did, and walked
him back to their boat and they took

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off and there they're on some remote
sandbars. Sound like it was somewhere done

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on the Peque area. I guess, Yeah, it's certainly the right zone.

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But yeah, I don't know.
I might I might need more than

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a secondhand story for that one.
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that it seems that if that they
were doing it, we would that That's

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one of those things that I think
would pop up more often. That's exactly

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know, because yeah, because they
definitely get we does they get cold because

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they go sleep in barns and all
kinds of stuff. I mean, they

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definitely can get cold. So it's
hard to People always say I found evidence

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that they're having a fire in a
cave, but that that fire could have

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that cave could have been used,
you know, thirty thousand or whatever,

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twenty thousand years ago and it still
looks like it. You can tell how

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long ago the fire happened. No
now, because no wind, A lot

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of wind or water erosion in a
lot of caves. So yeah, so

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it's hard to I mean, it's
not hard to say. I mean it's

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it's hard to say that they do
it. I guess it's you know,

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what do you what do your what
are your thoughts on sasquatches? Uh?

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Using caves on a regular basis instead
of just popping in every once in a

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while. I think they use them
when they when the weather's you know,

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severe hot or cold. I don't
like people go I see people talking all

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the time, we're writing about you
know, chats and stuff like, you

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know, they use the case.
They've got these transportation systems. It's like,

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why would they stumble around these dark, dangerous holes that are totally inefficient

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to travel, like, you know, compared to when they can just fly

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above not fly fly, but I
mean move quickly above ground and not you

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know, just like, why would
they be crawling. I mean, watch

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speed linkers they're crawling for you know, wedge and somebody these gas where people

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go. There's no way an adult, big fuck could fit through those gaps,

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you know, And it just doesn't
make sense to me that they'd go

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deep into the case. I mean, I don't see him. I don't

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see him going in deeper than like
I haven't even heard of a big foot

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and sping more than like fifty yards
in at the most. No, the

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people who've I've asked that same question, you know, and they say,

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oh, well they have night vision, so yeah, but you need some

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light, no matter no matter how
good your night vision is, you need

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some light. You can't there's no
such things complete darkness in that sort of

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way, you know, they just
wouldn't be able to function. And there's

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no no food down there. I
mean. The Sun is basically the source

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of all energy on the planet,
right, all energy and the planet comes

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from the Sun. In one way, or another. Um. You know,

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your food is a product of the
sun, you know, chlorophyll and

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all that sort of stuff, and
you know, um photosynthesis and all that

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jazz um, whether it passes through
meat or not later you know, because

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cows eat these and there's just none
none of that is down there, so

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there's nothing for them there. It
just doesn't make sense to me. I

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think it. I think all this
cave stuff because when people say, oh,

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well, you know there's this I
think there's a big foot in this

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area or whatever. I heard vocalizations. Yeah, there's a lot of caves

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in the area too. That generally
comes in with with with unspoken assumption that

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that would be indicative of possible sasquatches
in the area. It's like, well,

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I don't know, maybe, but
um, it just doesn't make sense

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to me that. But I think
it all comes from this idea of cave

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men. You know, that that's
sort of the archetype of a caveman,

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that these are primitive people of some
sort or whatever, if you want to

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call it that, and and therefore
they probably use caves because cavemen. It's

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like, well, I don't know, I don't see the connection. I

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just don't buy it. No,
they don't. They don't live with you

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know what I mean? They could. Certainly when it's one hundred and fifteen

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degrees they're gonna if there's a cave, they're gonna dip in there for rest

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and you know, spend the day
there before they come out at night when

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it cools off. That makes total
sense. Or if it's twenty below and

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blowing cold, you know, go
back in a ways and you know it's

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thirty five degrees whatever. Yeah,
and that that stuff makes sense. It's

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just one of these human inventions.
I think that it gets a juxtaposed upon

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the sasquatch model, just like another
real common question I get here in the

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shop is well where do they live? So well, they live anywhere they

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look. They don't live anywhere in
particular. They're not like us in that

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sort of way. They have a
territory instead of a location they return to

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every day. I think, yeah, well, you know, the next

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news topic that we ran across that
we thought was of interest and possibly pertin

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into the Sasquatch thing, it was
all over. Of course, this is

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a study, so it gets reported
in more than one news source, but

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this one the one I read the
article. I read what Happened to be

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published in The Guardian on February seventeenth, twenty twenty three, and the title

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is this humans may need more sleep
in winter. Study finds yes, and

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people are going, yeah, okay, well the so what you know?

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So people get lazy during the summer
or during the wintertime and they need more

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sleep. So well that I think
it has something that has them bearing on

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the sasquatch thing, because what we
expect out of our own body, like

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our own physiological situation, if we
need more sleep during winter, it's entirely

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likely that sasquatches and all the other
greade apes probably do the same thing.

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Now, of course, most of
the other great apes, the vast majority,

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if not actually all of the other
extant apes that most scientists accept as

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real, they're all tropical. They're
all tropical, and that's something that we

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forget a lot. I think we
being people, we forget a lot about

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that because since the other apes are
tropical, and since the other apes are

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largely vegetarian, people assume that sasquatches
should be tropical and are probably vegetarian.

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And that's not the case at all. Because what people don't realize is there

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were hundreds and hundreds of species of
apes back in the day, you know,

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thousands of years ago, and we're
looking now at the last remnants of

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all of the apes. So you
know, Benobo's, chimpanzees, orangutans,

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guerrillas, gibbons. I think that's
it, man. I think five species

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of apes besides humans. Five species
is all we have left. And only

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the human has a worldwide distribution here
because of technology and tool use and are

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arguably superior intellect a speci who's that
well, yeah, yeah, well I

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was talking about accepted species. How's
that? Yeah, But because these other

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species, the very very few that
are left are relict species, relic species,

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which is what a sasquatch is.
A relic relic, of course,

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is a biological term that means still
persisting in small numbers, even though they

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were probably once more widespread. And
that's exactly what we're looking at. That's

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what gorillas are, that's what chimpanzees
and bona bows are. That's what these

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animals are. They are relic species. There are tongues more apes back in

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the day, and many of them
lived in temperate climates, probably most of

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them are many of them lived in
cold climates. Apes were all over the

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place. I think a quote from
doctor Meldrin's book is something more or less

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like it was literally a planet of
the apes in what the Miocene period or

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something like that. Remember, right, So we shouldn't expect sasquatches to hold

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on to the to to follow suit
in these you know, five species that

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we have left that are still persisting. There's no reason to expect that,

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but we would expect them to have
to have whatever whatever we have in common

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with these other species, we probably
have in common with a lot of the

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other species that were extinct or and
also by what when we look at ourselves

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we can look for those other things
in the other ape species. That makes

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a lot of people uncomfortable, of
course, because there's this thing like we're

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not apes. Cliff always says we're
apes and blah blah blah. It's our

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family, man. You know.
It's like saying like you are not your

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your mom or your dad, but
you're related to them. It's your family.

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It's okay, it's okay, it's
cool. We would rather be related

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to apes than say, canids or
feelines. I would, at least so

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I don't know, but the fact
that we seem to need more sleep in

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winter that made me start thinking,
well, we know that sasquatch sighting reports

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drop pretty dramatically in January and February, and certainly part of the reason for

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that would be human activity. You
know, there are fewer humans out in

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their habitat at that time of year. It's just unpleasant. There's snow everywhere,

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and you know, some people like
snow, but you know a lot

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of people don't, and it's hard
to get in there, you can't use

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the roads, and blah blah blah. So there's a million reasons why people

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wouldn't be in these areas during the
depth of winter, and certainly that does

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affect that does affect the number of
siding reports that come out, because remember,

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every siding report that has ever been
told to anybody that you've ever read,

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is a magical series of events,
as a perfect storm, if you

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will. A sasquatch has to be
in a place where a human is,

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and that human has to see the
sasquatch and then later tell somebody about it

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who is going to publish it so
you can read about it. That is

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a very unlikely set of circumstances,
but yet we have siding reports, so

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that's kind of cool. So could
part of this, could part of this

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be, could part of the drop
just a little bit, maybe a slight

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influence on these numbers. Could it
be that sasquatches just are not active anymore

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during that time of year, aren't
nearly as active. There are sightings in

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January and February. People do see
them. I found foot I found in

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cass Foot Princess past February, we
know, but also I wasn't in snow.

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It was at the snow line.
But I could it be that these

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things are just less active because a
lot of times in the shop here people

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ask do they hibernate? It's a
good question. Do they hibernate? Well,

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I don't think so, because there
are sightings in January in February.

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Well, they can hibernate partially like
bears get up and walk around sometimes in

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the middle of winter. Yes,
that's true, that's true. But really

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I think that I've always kind of
favored the idea of torpor. Torpor is

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the idea that they're they're just much
much less active. I know that I

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am less active during the wintertime because
I'm not out walking around and doing all

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the lousy weather and getting all wet
and cold and all that sort of stuff.

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I do think the sasquatches do limit
their activity and certainly change their diet

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during winter time. But could it
be that there's a sleep more too,

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That's that wouldn't be hibernation. Could
we do that? We also need more

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sleep. Apparently the total sleep time
and winter for humans that the humans in

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this study at least was about an
hour or more, an hour and more

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every single night, more or less. And by the way, I want

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to point out that this sort of
thing is tied to the circadian rhythm,

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right, which is a different thing
because because if you're living in town or

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actually nowadays pretty much everybody, we're
domesticated. We've domesticated ourselves. Our sleep

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cycle is no longer timed necessarily to
the sun, you know, which is

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what the circadian clock is all about. You know, it gets dark,

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we go to sleep, it gets
light, we wake up. That's kind

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of what that whole trip is.
Even for people who live in rural areas

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who are a little bit more close
to the circadian clock, like the natural

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rhythm of things, everybody kind of
tends towards another hour of sleep. But

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what really matters is that on average
people were we're getting about thirty extra minutes

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of rim sleep, which is a
good sleep. That's what we want.

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That's when you're dreaming and there's a
lot of brain that we might dream.

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There's a lot of brain activity at
the time, and that's what's really refreshing

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to the brain. That's one of
the reasons we go to sleep. It's

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a refresh everything. So people are
receiving more rim sleep during winter, and

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I kind of wondered, like,
Okay, what does that have to do

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as sasquatch as if anything, And
it might it might affect the number of

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Sasquatches who are out walking around in
some sort of way. I've always thought.

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I've always thought there was you know, getting into that tour Port state

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to some degree, because I mean, you can't really compare you're sitting,

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you're finding prints around, you're in
the winter. That's a whole different ballume

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than Northern Manitoba. Oh yeah,
sure is. I mean where it's just

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00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.960
below freezing for like five months or
whatever, and like you know, below

403
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:53.359
below zero for many days, you
know, for what maybe below zero for

404
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.279
sixty days a year at least up
there. I mean, they don't want

405
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.839
to be out in that stuff.
They don't have to. Yeah, And

406
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.559
of course if they are less active, like sleeping for example, or even

407
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.039
if they just hang out, you
know, maybe they make a den somewhere.

408
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:10.119
Because remember the second nest site at
the Olympic Project site, the second

409
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:14.440
nest site that was discovered, I
feel pretty strongly that it was repurposing a

410
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.079
bear den at the time. So
if it's looking for a little hidey hole

411
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.039
to hang out in and stay,
warming up and kind of cuddle up in

412
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.839
and then kind of come out everyone. And by the way, no snow,

413
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.559
well, snow does happen there,
but not a lot. It's pretty

414
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:32.880
much right where you'd expect that the
snow line to be. I think that

415
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.119
that that's a real possibility that these
things are just kind of hungering down.

416
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.839
It was in a little hidey hole. You said, Well, the second

417
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.960
nest site, there were a lot
of nesting material down by this log,

418
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:49.039
and underneath the log there was a
hole and under and the sasquatch was apparently

419
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.039
digging out the hole and inside the
hole it was a bear den. We've

420
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:57.359
got bare hair out of there.
There were some scratch marks behind and stuff.

421
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.759
It was a bear den as far
as I'm concern. That was my

422
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.000
interpretation of what we were. But
the thing is, it wasn't a bear

423
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.799
that d Of course skeptics would go, oh, well, the whole thing

424
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.559
was a bear situation. No,
No, it wasn't. Because there was

425
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:14.480
a pile of dirt outside of the
hole. You know, imagine like laying

426
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.799
on the ground and digging and reaching
your arm into this hole and then pulling

427
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.400
dirt out and making a pile of
dirt outside the hole. I think that

428
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:25.960
term is tailings if I remember right. There was a handprint, a big

429
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.680
ass handprint right in the middle of
the tailings when we got there. So

430
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:36.799
it is pretty and and sasquatch footprints
at the site also underneath the bedding material

431
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.680
when you cast a handprint, Sure
I did. Yeah, I knew that.

432
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.799
I mean I forgot. You were
just testing me. No, I'm

433
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.039
trying to think you said, you
said it was really big. I thought

434
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.599
the handprint wasn't that you wasn't that
that big. There were two sets of

435
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.519
handprints. There was a left and
or rights that found about fifty yards away

436
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.839
from the nest site on a hill, and there was one actually at the

437
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.799
nest site itself. When you when
you're saying log, I was picturing like

438
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.559
a big old growth seedar or something
like that was laying almost on the ground,

439
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.640
and then they dug out underneath like
I see in the Redwoods bears have

440
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.480
done there. No, No,
it's a kind of a small one.

441
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.640
Yeah, it's a smaller log,
and it's it's what four or five feet

442
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.519
off the ground at least, not
even not even that much, not even

443
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.519
that much, probably about two about
three two and a half feet off the

444
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.440
ground probably. Oh, so it's
a really small log, it is,

445
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.440
So they weren't getting they weren't really
getting any protection from the weather from that

446
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:32.119
well inside there, inside there,
like if he stuck your head in there,

447
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.039
which I did, of course,
it goes back about three feet,

448
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.480
and if you look to the left
and right, it goes another two or

449
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.319
three feet in directions about five five
and a half feet left to right.

450
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.240
But yeah, but I think these
sound squatches are kind of like getting little

451
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.039
hidy holes and hanging out, not
in caves that we just went over that,

452
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.839
but little hidy holes and bared ends
and little cracks and crevices like all

453
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.759
the other animals do, because the
smaller in area that they are in,

454
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.519
the faster it will heat up.
Yeah, you know, and I think

455
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.759
they just kind of lay low,
because I know I do that during the

456
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.680
wintertime. You know, I'd lay
low and hang out in the house and

457
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.559
you know, um, and I
limit my activity, which, of course

458
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:10.400
for sasquatches would be very important because
they wouldn't be using all the calories that

459
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:14.079
they get. And they probably also
changed their diet quite dramatically. They'd have

460
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.680
to because there's no berries and all
that other stuff, and all the apple

461
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.200
trees aren't producing, so they would
have to vary their diet and go after

462
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.079
things that are either low low nutritional
value or meat. I think that they

463
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.640
tend towards meat during the wintertime,
but they also might be sleeping more,

464
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.519
you know what. That's something that
bothers me about the whole like them in

465
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.279
the winter is like, we don't
find these speak food cashes like you think

466
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.359
you would, you know, like
especially way north. I mean maybe they

467
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.839
haven't hidden really really well, you
know, like and so bears can't get

468
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.559
raccoons can't get them. Whatever they
put them in holes or you know,

469
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.319
cave openings that block with a giant
rocket and other animal can move, I

470
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:57.599
mean, like including humans without tools. I mean, how often even heard

471
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.240
of some sin they found a food
cat's like a real like a like a

472
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.400
larger set up for winter, like
zero pretty much. I mean the closest

473
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.480
thing I can think of are those
weird snow mounds from the Sierras that Barcatino

474
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:13.880
and Robert Meierman we're talking about for
them for a minute, but that those

475
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.960
are the only tape the only times
those were ever found. Well, then

476
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:22.400
Matt found a gentle pile like ten
twelve deer all frozen together in Ohio.

477
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.119
They had like winds ripped off and
stuff. Yeah, I can't say that

478
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:29.680
I've heard about any cashes besides that, you know, Yeah, that's that's

479
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.519
what That's the one thing that really
Squirrels, birds, they you know,

480
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.079
they a lot of animals, beavers, you know, they would ever build

481
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.240
up food cashes to get up through
tough times. And you think the squatch

482
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.599
would, especially if they were like
going to just be hanging out in a

483
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.319
cave or some other you know,
sort of protected area, you think they'd

484
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:52.119
have some kind of food food cash
available. Yeah, but if they did,

485
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.680
that would just invite scavengers and they
would have to compete for that's problematic.

486
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.799
But then again also might be a
bait as well. You know.

487
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.240
But it's like, you know,
if if they can bring in you know,

488
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.559
weasels and rats and a bear or
something like that, why wouldn't they

489
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.799
just eat those? Yeah, because
it reminds me of those rock piles that

490
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.119
were found out in New Mexico where
the native people are saying no, no.

491
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.960
They make these rock piles to collect
rodents for the winter season, and

492
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.880
then they just rip apart the rock
piles and eat the hibernating rodents, kind

493
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.440
of like at the Glenn Thomas site. I don't know if you'd come out

494
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.839
of food cash though, I mean, that's just I don't know. I

495
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:29.160
mean, it's the same idea,
and it's it's brilliant's genius, you know.

496
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:30.599
As soon as I said, I
rang in my head like that's true.

497
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.759
When the first time I heard that, it does make sense. And

498
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.559
if they have that's kind of foresight, that's pretty cool to be doing that

499
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.960
sort of thing. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo

500
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:52.079
will be right back after these messages. This is the next one. The

501
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.440
next one, to me was the
most interesting. One of the articles was

502
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.119
the study finding the ancient gene to
discovered the girl who had a parent there

503
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.680
are two different species. Yeah,
yeah, it's kind of a big deal.

504
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.279
Oh it's a huge deal. I
mean, I mean it says right

505
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:08.639
in the article. I mean,
but I remember I was listening to it

506
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:10.679
or reading it. I mean,
when I was reading it, I was

507
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:15.320
thinking, like if they if they
found out just a two dozen specimens,

508
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.960
they found it like that like the
holy Grail, so speak for that for

509
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.519
that field of study. I mean
that that means it had to be happening

510
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.800
a lot. Yeah, yeah,
but that you know, let's let's talk

511
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.280
about the article first and catch people
up in case they don't know. They

512
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.559
haven't they haven't read this basically,
Um, you probably heard about this a

513
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.920
few weeks ago. If you're paying
attention to anything in paleoanthropology, which I

514
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:43.400
strongly recommend you do, if you're
interested in bigfoot, you really should be

515
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:49.280
studying a little bit of paleoanthropology.
Um, you just you just should,

516
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.960
because you learned so much about possibilities
for Sasquatch and what our ancestors were doing,

517
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.199
and then a little bit about us. And it's just a field that

518
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.159
in fact, you know, if
I had to, if I had to

519
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.599
do my schooling, my college over
again, and I would probably go into

520
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:06.840
something about paleo anthropology. That's how
important I think this is to the subject

521
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.239
that I choose to study, which
is the Bigfoot thing. Basically, there

522
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.800
was a cave in Siberia and they
found some bone fragments from hominins. There's

523
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.519
that word again. I'd defined it
earlier in the same broadcast. It is

524
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.000
everything on our family tree since we
since our last common ancestor with the chimpanzees

525
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.119
about six thousand years or six six
million years ago. So that's what a

526
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.079
hominin is. It is. So
in a cave in Siberia, they found

527
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:34.320
some bone fragments of some hominins,
and then one scientist took some of the

528
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.519
bones. She got DNA out of
it. She pulverized a little bit of

529
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.119
this bone fragment. It was just
a little bone fragment. Wasn't a femur

530
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:44.400
or a skull or anything. It's
just a little bone fragment pulverized a little

531
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:50.360
piece of this bone fragment and basically
found out that this was the rarest of

532
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.960
the rare. This is the holy
grail of a lot of the topics in

533
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:59.119
paleo anthropology. We've all heard that
Homo sapiens, that's us. Homo sapiens

534
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.079
are humans species, that's what humans
are. Human. A lot of humans

535
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:10.199
on the planet have Neandertal DNA in
them because our ancestors interbred with neanderthals um.

536
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.480
I have Neandertal's DNA, and I
know that because I did the DNA

537
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.760
stuff from my parents, and I
know they're a little that's not exactly a

538
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.159
scientific thing. The twenty three in
medial my dad had one point seven percent

539
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.559
neandertal. My mom had one point
five. That's pretty strong indicator that I

540
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.840
have it right. But we all
do. If you're of European descent,

541
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.519
you are you almost certainly have Neandertal
mixed in you somewhere. But there's this

542
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.159
other critter, there's this other relative
of ours called the denisovan Um, and

543
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:44.519
and they're they're fascinating because we know
almost nothing about them. We know more

544
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.159
about sasquatches and we know about dennisovans
at this point, although we do have

545
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:53.800
unlike sasquatches, we do have completely
um like thoroughly studied DNA. We have

546
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.800
the entire genome, I believe,
all before us. And the discovery of

547
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.719
the Denisovans is super interesting to me
as well, because a fingerbone was discovered

548
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.360
in a cave also in Siberia,
by the way, a fingerbone was discovered

549
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.400
in a cave, and they just
thought it was neandertal, you know,

550
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.159
they just thought it was the indertal
thing. And somebody had the bright idea

551
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.760
to check out the DNA on this
thing, and it was something they had

552
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.800
never seen before. It clearly was
not neandertal. So they named the species

553
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.119
Denisovans because I think the cave was
named denisov or something like that. Yeah,

554
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.519
And for a while all we had
of homodenisovan, this brand new relative,

555
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.800
brand new human species that were really
closely related to and also we inner

556
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.920
bread with as well. I know
the people will, I'll get back to

557
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:44.079
them, but the only the only
thing we had from this new species was

558
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:50.280
this partial fingerbone. Fingerbone then Moore
has been discovered since through DNA testing.

559
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.880
In fact, they even did they
did e DNA on caves and found neandertal

560
00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:00.119
and homodenisovan DNA in the dirt on
the bottom of caves, no bone fragments

561
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.559
or anything in the dirt itself.
Then somebody was digging around and they found

562
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.480
a jawbone, a mandible that it
was in a museum or some collection drawers

563
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:14.559
somewhere. It was discovered in nineteen
eighty five, and it turns out,

564
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:19.519
oh, that's homodenis ovan. They
misidentified it, and I and that's I

565
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.719
think that's a little foreshatting. So
I bet that. I bet you a

566
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.519
dollar bones, and I think I
probably wouldn't bet against you. I think

567
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.360
you're on my team on this one. I bet you that's going to happen

568
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.719
at the Sasquatch as well. When
we get bones and DNA and went out

569
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.400
of Sasquatches, they're going to look
at some of these other weird bones they

570
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.920
have in collection, retest them and
say, oh, my gosh, we've

571
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.239
had a Sasquatch bones since nineteen forty
eight or something like that. I think

572
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.960
there's any quite a few of those. Yeah, I think it's going to

573
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.239
be an interesting thing. But okay, so anyway, that's Homodenis Oven,

574
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.159
this other human species that we know
almost nothing about. We have almost almost

575
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.599
no bones, and but what we
do have is some DNA. We know

576
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.960
we know a little bit about them
through DNA. So this this the scientists

577
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.039
does a DNA test in this bone
fragment that they got in a cave in

578
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.039
Siberia and lo and behold. It
is really really special because it shows that

579
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:15.000
its mother was Anandertal and its father
was a Denisovan. Okay, so it

580
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.880
makes sense that if humans were,
you know, getting jiggy with various other

581
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.719
species of hominins, like our close
relatives at the time, it seems that

582
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:29.679
it makes sense that these two would
have an occasional fling as well, neander

583
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.360
tools and dennis Ovans. But the
thing is, this is a very rare

584
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:38.679
fine because the DNA indicates that literally
its mother was a was Anandertal and its

585
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.239
father was a denis Oven. It's
not like this happened six or seven generations

586
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:49.039
before. This is the direct offspring
of these two species, and they name

587
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.119
hers. Apparently it's an adolescent female, probably died around thirteen years of age

588
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.760
Denisova eleven. And I don't know
this for a fact. But looking at

589
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.519
the number, the number Denisova eleven, that tells me that this might be

590
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:06.199
the eleventh sample of dennis ovn.
Yeah. Yeah, twenty three to twenty

591
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.360
three total. Oh kid, Well, there you go. We have practically

592
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:15.800
nothing of dennis Ovans twenty three fragments
of bones and various fossils. Not bad.

593
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.599
And the fact that that that we
got lucky enough basically to find an

594
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.239
example where the mother was one species
and the father was another. Maybe that

595
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.719
does indicate, as you suggested earlier, but that maybe it happened kind of

596
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.920
all the time you think, I
mean, what's the odds, what's the

597
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.519
odds of finding a direct descendant?
I mean, that's just I mean,

598
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.760
they test, it's how many bone
fragments are there? Not that many,

599
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.320
you know, And it's just it's
just incredible to think the odds to find

600
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.320
that direct first generation to sendate.
It's just it's it's hard to fathom.

601
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.679
And it almost seems like I know
they, I know they you know,

602
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.199
they proved it, but it's just
still hard to even believe. Yeah,

603
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.039
but you know that that makes me
reflect back upon um I was discussing human

604
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.239
neandertal interbreeding with doctor Meldrum. This
is a few years ago, and he

605
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.199
brought up something and says, well, everybody's making such a big deal of

606
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.760
it, and of course it is
important. He's not trying to take away

607
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.519
from the importance of the discovery and
what that could mean, etc. But

608
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.360
he also said, to me,
what make what is really fascinating to me,

609
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.280
Cliff, is that why it didn't
happen more often? Maybe it did?

610
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.480
Yeah, maybe this because of the
chances. The chances are so low.

611
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.559
Maybe it did happen a lot more
often. I don't find it hard

612
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:34.199
to believe at all. And lust
is lust. Yeah, Like remember these

613
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.039
weren't even the same species, but
you know that they would look like us.

614
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.159
You know. It's funny is when
they showed an excavation site and you

615
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:43.480
know it's over in Russia. They
got all this stuff in there, all

616
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.039
the scientists, and the computer monitor
they have is like a nineteen ninety one

617
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.440
small screen, like where the it's
deeper, like the depth from the screen

618
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.000
of the back is longer than it
is wide. Oh yeah, yeah,

619
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.360
it's not one of these flat screens. Yeah. You know, I don't

620
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.039
know if I saw the same picture
as you remember a photograph in the same

621
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.000
excavation or not, but they were. It seemed to there there seemed to

622
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.920
be about a half dozen scientists in
a trough, like a three foot wide,

623
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:14.400
four foot deep trough, digging around
doing stuff. Um And when I

624
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.159
looked at that as thinking, gosh, I wonder what fantastic, amazing discoveries

625
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:22.760
lie just two or three feet to
their left, that was drive archaeologists just

626
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:28.679
crazy goingway we got all this.
I'm just right here and look there and

627
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.559
there, and they're like everywhere.
I mean, there's so little there's I

628
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:37.239
mean, it's such a tiniest fraction
that the Earth Service has been inspected by

629
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.679
archaeologists. I mean, it's it's
you can't I mean, it's it's like

630
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:45.599
a grain of sand on a beach
that you know, it's probably more than

631
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.599
that even. I mean, it's
just unbelievably that we got this much information

632
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.639
for how little we've done. I
mean, the answers are all there.

633
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.440
We just probably bulldozed them or you
know, pave over it or whatever.

634
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.039
Yeah. Yeah, maybe some day
will have Nico Um, the manager here

635
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.639
at the shot back on because he's
a fossil nerd even as a business called

636
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.639
the Fossil team, UM a great
business where he does education about you know.

637
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.760
UM. I think the slogan is
like information from the past informing our

638
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.639
present or something like that. So
he's a fossil guy, like through and

639
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:20.480
through dinosaurs and places scene mammals in
the whole nine. He has all sorts

640
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.840
of crazy stories about, you know, the fossil races of the of the

641
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:29.400
eighteenth or the nineteenth century and uh
and destroying sites and all these fossils that

642
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.039
were lost to time and whatnot.
It's such a shame, such a shame.

643
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:34.719
But but you know, getting back
to the topic of the hand here.

644
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.119
Um. When I was I read
the article, I looked up another

645
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.159
one. There was that one you
could listen to, but I didn't like

646
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.239
that one at int the time because
I was at work. So I was

647
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:46.039
reading when in between customers today and
I read something pretty interesting. Um that

648
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.159
this this girl that this Denisova eleven, This the little the girl, the

649
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:58.000
thirteen year old or so girl that
they got this DNA from whose mother was

650
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:02.880
in the endertal and her father was
a Sovan. Upon closer look at her

651
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:09.360
DNA, what they discovered is that
she was actually more closely related to a

652
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:15.119
Neanderthal whose DNA had been sequenced from
Western Europe. And mind you, she

653
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.760
was in Siberia. She was in
Siberia. She was more closely related to

654
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:27.119
a neandertal uncovered in Western Europe than
other neandertals found from the same cave she

655
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.239
was found in, but from an
earlier time. Yeah, I mean,

656
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.280
that's just not I mean, that's
that's nuts. That's the most nuts part

657
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.199
about the whole thing. And what
does that mean? Of course, it

658
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:43.519
means that neandertals apparently were at least
some neandertals were moving around a lot more

659
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.079
rights, Yeah, than they thought
than they thought. Well, now,

660
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.760
mind you, mind you that the
movement of hominins. Yeah, hominins could

661
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.599
could move quite a bit. They
can move great distances, but they wouldn't

662
00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:00.440
need to they could they could literally
move five miles in a life time,

663
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.559
and then twenty generations later you're one
hundred miles away, you know, And

664
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.760
you know, when you're talking about
the geologic time, which is what we're

665
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.199
kind of doing here, even fifty
thousand years, you know, five miles

666
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:15.559
of fifty thousand years, it's kind
of a long distance. It's certainly a

667
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.639
lot further than the Siberia to the
Western Europe. But still that's interesting because

668
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.119
most of the data so far and
uncovered about neander tools indicates that most of

669
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.920
their movement was kind of local,
like everything they needed was kind of nearby,

670
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.760
so they didn't go very far why
would they? And there was evidence

671
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.440
there are cannibals and stuff like you
wouldn't want to go walk in forever,

672
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.599
you know, if you're just up
in your chances running into a cannibalistic groove

673
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.760
right scary times man like that it
would be cool to be a cave man.

674
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.159
It's like, oh would it?
No? It seems like a very

675
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.559
very violent time. Yeah. And
also for our listeners out there, we're

676
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:52.599
going to put all the links to
these articles in our show notes. Okay,

677
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.920
so if you're interested in any of
these, maybe we just piqued your

678
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.400
curiosity, you want to go do
some deep dive in on this sort of

679
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.800
stuff. Just look a couple of
these links and fall them around and do

680
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.400
some searching. You'll find all sorts
of cool stuff. And if you have

681
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.559
anything to add to our conversation or
questions about what we're talking about, or

682
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:13.000
questions like why are you talking about
this? You can always email us at

683
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.800
Big Pin and Beyond podcast at gmail
dot com. Yeah. I was gonna

684
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:21.039
say, Cliff, was you know, talk about like seeing like how the

685
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:25.760
genetics spread. I can't wait until
we've got sasquatched DNA and they actually start

686
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.119
looking at other things that they wrote
off as well. It's got human traits,

687
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.800
so we're gonna just throw it out
as it can't anything about a human

688
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:38.440
When we see, like knowing what
with Gareth Patterson down in South Africa having

689
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.480
the O tangs and then you know
the Yeddy and the it's gonna be so

690
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.320
great when we can genetically map their
storyline of how they spread. Yeah,

691
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:53.760
because once the DNA technology became doable, essentially Paylo wentthropology change, you know,

692
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:58.280
because before it was all based on
remains found in certain strata and what

693
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.239
fossils were associated with it. But
now they can actually kind of map where

694
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:09.639
certain populations moved over time through the
DNA itself. And it's really upended a

695
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.159
lot of the assumptions and findings and
pale anthropology, and it's rewritten a lot

696
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.000
of things, and certainly sasquatches are
really going to do a number on that

697
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.719
on that book, that that whole
book's gonna have to be rewritten human ancestry

698
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.920
and all that sort of jazz,
and I cannot wait as well. That's

699
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.320
one of the things I can't wait
for in general, because you know,

700
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.679
I'm after bigfoots are proven to be
real, which is inevitable. After they

701
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.880
are proven to be real, I'm
not going to stop doing this. I

702
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.239
may, like, you know,
stop how on in the woods are making

703
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.760
on trees because that will probably be
illegal essentially at the time, you know,

704
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.880
bothering while all that jazz, But
I'm not going to stop looking for

705
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:46.960
footprints and trying to gather data and
learning about them at all. That's just

706
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.400
going to make me all more fired
up to do so. But I cannot

707
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.840
wait for that first you know,
documentary that talks about the social structures of

708
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.280
Sasquatches with all this footage and all
this other evidence and all that sort of

709
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.159
jazz. It's gonna be so cool. I mean, that's gonna be but

710
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.119
it'll be just as interesting to see
like the start of how they spread and

711
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.599
like what time periods and who was
where, and that's going to be the

712
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.280
all of that's just going to be, so get out science. I'm not

713
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.760
gonna live forever. But but you
know, that's a great segue to one

714
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.559
of our our next story here,
which is from Oregon Public Broadcasting OPEBE.

715
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:30.239
It was broadcast on three March twenty
third, twenty twenty three, a wolverine

716
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.400
was seen right outside of Portland,
right outside of Portland. And that's the

717
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:38.199
first time that a wolverine has been
documented in the Cascades and this part of

718
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:43.760
the Cascades by Portland, Portland,
Oregon here since the nineteen sixties. Yeah.

719
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:49.840
The last wolverine sighting in the state
was twelve years ago in the Wolawa

720
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.400
Mountains of the Blue Mountains, basically
back east where all those other bigfoot rapports

721
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.599
all the Blue Mountains. And one
was seen on the Columbia River. I

722
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.519
think boaters took a picture of it
or something to that. Yeah, And

723
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.760
that was just a couple of weeks
ago now, and the trip out on

724
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.159
this the next or that was on
a Monday on Wednesday, they saw another

725
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:13.400
one that they think is the same
one, and a very well could be

726
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.280
because they are rare, et cetera. But still they saw it. They

727
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:22.559
saw another one on Wednesday in Damascus, Oregon. Damascus is I don't know,

728
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.280
five eight miles from where I'm sitting
at this very moment. If I

729
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:29.639
go down Highway to twelve, I
go, I go. You know,

730
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.000
the NABC here is in Boring,
Oregon, But actually we're not in Boring.

731
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.760
A lot of people look for us
in downtown Boring, but we're not

732
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.960
actually there. We're in an outlying, unincorporated part of Boring, Oregon,

733
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:42.639
right on Highway twenty six and two
twelve, right where the intersection is.

734
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.360
But if you go down Highway to
twelve about two miles, you run into

735
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.000
Boring, Oregon, and it is
a little town. And it's a little

736
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.320
tiny town. There's a there's there's
a bar, there's a little restaurant,

737
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.559
there's there's not much going on.
There's a nurse. Well, you know,

738
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.840
nothing against the feed store, but
the NABC is probably the most exciting

739
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:01.079
thing. And Boring, and I
love Boring, don't get me wrong.

740
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.840
The people are wonderful. And Boring, by the way, was named after

741
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.400
some sort of early pioneer whose last
name was Boring. I believe the Boring

742
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.280
family still is here, by the
way. They're around, so they still

743
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.880
exist. But anyway, Damascus is
the next town. Like you go past

744
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.559
Boring on Highway twenty two or two
twelve, and I don't know, a

745
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.880
few miles after that you run through
Damascus, and that's where the wolverine was

746
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.239
seen. Which blows my mind because
the wolf, if it is the same

747
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.880
wolverine, which is I guess likely, I don't know if it is the

748
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.079
same wolverine that was seen on the
Columbia River just a little bit east of

749
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.960
Portland. Probably the best way to
get there would be going straight through Gresham.

750
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.719
But I mean that Gresham's a city. Gresham is like suburbia with a

751
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.719
town. You know, it had
to go around it, probably down the

752
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:49.800
Sandy River, and it's like and
it wasn't seen any in those places.

753
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:55.079
But wolverines are very very rare and
very elusive, and they're saying that this

754
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:59.760
thing was probably moving from one habitat
to another because during the winter time,

755
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.760
I remember we were talking about food
cashes just a little while ago. During

756
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:08.400
the wintertime, wolverines are pretty amazing. They can smell dead animals underneath snow

757
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:13.519
like six ten probably more feet of
snow, and they burrow down and then

758
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.199
they just dig into the animal and
bite and eat it up, eat the

759
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:21.880
bones and everything. They eat bones. They're totally gnarly. They're badasses too.

760
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:29.639
I mean I've seen video of these
things sparring with grizzly bears. Yeah.

761
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.400
Now, wolverines are big, but
they're not that big. I mean

762
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:36.280
they're like a really really big weasel, a tiny, tiny little bear,

763
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.239
like a really really big weasel,
but they're taking on grizzly bears. Man,

764
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:44.880
these things are gnarly. There's video
and fighting off like three five wolves

765
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:46.920
at a time, Like because they
got such the part of us is they

766
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.960
got such loose skin. They can
like it's like things can bite them and

767
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.599
they never get the meat really or
the organs. They just get like a

768
00:51:54.679 --> 00:52:00.559
big mouthful of skin and fur.
Yeah. Like there's a famous video two

769
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.039
and the Snow. It's on a
snowy open hillside where it jumps on a

770
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.880
big I think in a big caribou
or a big buck. But anyways,

771
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.079
it jumps in lasts. It's probably
one eighth the weight of this thing or

772
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.119
so. It just chumps something grabs
it by the head and wraps its claws

773
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:21.639
around its head in the top of
its neck and it starts chewing on its

774
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.480
head and you know it ends up
killing this thing. It's like Jesus.

775
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.519
I mean because like the males are
only like eds, like fifty to sixty

776
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.480
pounds, and the females are you
know, like twenty five, thirty five,

777
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.880
forty. You know, they're they're
not that they're they're small. I

778
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.519
mean they're smaller than Socy. Yeah, Soci's sixty five. Yeah, man,

779
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.960
i'd feel so I would not want
to run into one of those when

780
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.559
you're walking your dog. No,
No, it'd be cool to see one

781
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.559
from a distance. Yeah. Well, you know, Bobs, we have

782
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.639
a couple other news articles to go
over. Why don't we go over to

783
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.159
the Beyond big Foot and Beyond,
which is of course our member section um

784
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.119
and and and we'll give about forty
minutes of that and then we can talk

785
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:06.239
about news articles over there. Because
it's that one hound really pissed me off.

786
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.679
I'm going to vent and rage about
Oh man, oh, I'm so

787
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.960
sorry you're upset, Bob. So
I can't wait to hear it. I'm

788
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.000
excited about that. All right.
Well, I guess that's it. Yeah,

789
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:19.440
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790
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793
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794
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:36.280
saying, oh, they saved the
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795
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:37.800
no, it's not the best stuff. Everything would give you the best

796
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:42.199
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797
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798
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799
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.440
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800
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.840
for tuning in. We appreciate it
and we'll see you all then. So

801
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:06.079
until then, keep it squatchy.
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802
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