WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:15.160 Don't be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this for 2 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.000 December eighteenth, twenty twenty three. For the next hour or so, let 3 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.039 me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game mess Mornings Live with 4 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:26.399 Me Jeff Greb. Today, Activision tries to bury its settlement on a Friday 5 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:30.480 night, and Mario sixty four multiplayer was actually real. But first please join 6 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:34.079 me. Welcome to today's co host the Game Miss Mornings. It's Scott McCrae. 7 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:37.759 Everybody, Scott, how are you doing? Yeah? I'm all good. 8 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:44.399 I'm my fourth batch of COVID other than that eleven surviving. Just how 9 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:46.840 does they eat these days? Like when you get when you get COVID now 10 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:51.719 it was is it like is it still just as bad as ever? I 11 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.719 don't know. Yeah, I don't even remember anymore. All I remember is 12 00:00:55.759 --> 00:01:00.920 like sweat and coughing, and you know it's persested like that, but you 13 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:06.079 know it's not the furst anymore. Maybe I don't know. I also have 14 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:07.879 had like four jobs right now at this point. It's like, yeah, 15 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:15.359 who knows if it's built up immunity and the vaccines and then just kind of 16 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.319 getting used to it and knowing what to expect at a certain point. But 17 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.480 hey, I'm glad you're not. It doesn't seem like you're doing too bad. 18 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:25.840 I bet pretty exhausted though, from getting sick for the fourth time. 19 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.519 Right, Yeah, just you know I have I've played a little boulders Gate 20 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:34.680 over the weekend, so that's kind of, you know, broke my focus 21 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:37.959 on it. I don't need to think about that. I can just you 22 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.680 know, tell goblins because that's the way to do it. Now, I 23 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.680 want to tell you what I appreciate about you. Scott McCrae. Your name 24 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.079 sounds very Scottish, unlike some people like these Jordan middlers. He sounds like 25 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.799 he's from Idaho. I just I need a real Scott on this show for 26 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.959 once, So I appreciate you coming on. I mean, my name luxuley 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.760 mean Scottish person. I know my parents like they didn't really think that one 28 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:07.599 for you know, makes it very easy for us year in America where we're 29 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.560 very stupid, So I appreciate that. There you goes you can say in 30 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:17.280 a weird accent, but you know work maybe I don't know. Yeah, 31 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:20.879 well, I mean, how are you feeling about the the end? Of 32 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.520 the year, catching up on games. Uh, you got any work left 33 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:30.319 to do or you all set? All? All my work is kind of 34 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.439 for the start next year stuff I can't really mention at the moment, but 35 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:38.680 I'm good, you know, I'm I'm waiting because I imagine I'm going to 36 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.800 be deep in g RPG hell for the start next year with the likes of 37 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.919 Persona and Ya because I like a Dragon and Dragon's Dog, but all that 38 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.479 coming out, so you know, I'm taking my time to chill out with 39 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:57.800 like nice short games like boulders Gate and you know Probo Cop. Yeah, 40 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.080 that's the that's that is like a palate cleanser game right there for sure. 41 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.560 And then before we get on with things, I guess, you know, 42 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:06.319 since people might not be aware of for you are, do you want to 43 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:08.840 tell them like where they could find your work things like that. So I'm 44 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:13.439 kind of all over the place. My My news shift is for the Daily 45 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.000 Mirror in the UK. We're under the Mirror Gaming sub banner. That's where 46 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.840 I've done, you know, a lot of more reviews this year, a 47 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:23.840 lot of ment reviews. I believe we're talking about some tech and stuff today, 48 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:29.280 so I can show that I've got an interview up on the YouTube channel, 49 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:31.800 but you know, like mostly I'm all over the place. You'll find 50 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:36.080 me in push Square you'll find me, and Nintendo you'll find me in start 51 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.560 menu, which you can look at their latest post to find out my top 52 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:45.479 ten games of the year and why pig Man four is the best game of 53 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:50.680 the year. Probably yeah, yeah, let's go. That reminds me, 54 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.240 Alexi. I'll get my right up to you. Today started it an cent 55 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.080 it over so sorry about that. All right, Let's let's explain what we 56 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.840 do here most weekdays. I Jeff Grub will help you use your gaming life 57 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.719 back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our own original 58 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.960 reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a bona fide 59 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.919 expert who will make me look smart. If you're watching live on twitch welcome. 60 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.120 You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for 61 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.759 Game Mess Mornings or find the rsso giant bomb dot com. You can also 62 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:25.639 catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. Okay, 63 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.959 we have a lot to get into, so let's start the Morning Mess 64 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.319 with Activision to settle discrimination suit for fifty four million dollars. This comes from 65 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.600 Jen Glennon at Kataku. Shout out to Jen, who is on the couch 66 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:40.639 for GB at night during the Game Awards Activision. Blizzard has been the subject 67 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.600 of scrutiny for several years now due to its alleged boys club corporate culture, 68 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.680 and now the Wall Street Journal reports the embattled gaming company will pay roughly fifty 69 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:53.439 four million dollars to settle a twenty twenty one gender discrimination and harassment lawsuit, 70 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:58.680 the same lawsuit that seemingly prompted Microsoft's landmark sixty nine billion dollar acquisition of the 71 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.439 Call of Duty and Overwatch public sure that was finally greenlight in October after an 72 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.480 eighteen month legal battle. In a statement to Kataku an activision, Blizzard spokes 73 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:10.480 versus shared further contexts on the settlement. We are gratified that we have reached 74 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.360 an agreement with the California Civil Rights Department today, as the CRD has now 75 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:17.240 announced in a press statement. We appreciate the importance of the issues addressed in 76 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:21.879 this agreement, and we are dedicated to fully implementing all the new obligations we 77 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:25.600 have assumed as part of it. We want our employees to know that, 78 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.800 as the agreement specifies, we are committed to ensuring fair compensation and promotion policies 79 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.879 and practices for all our employees, and we will continue our efforts regarding inclusion 80 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:42.519 of qualified candidates from underrepresented communities in outreach, recruitment, and retention. There's 81 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.000 more here, we'll get into some of it, but that's basically what they 82 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.720 were getting in trouble for women weren't being paid fairly. There was no clear 83 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:54.160 promotional paths for a lot of people who weren't looking like everyone else at Activision, 84 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.800 for the most part white men, and they'd been getting in trouble for 85 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.720 this for years. And they at first they're like, hey, we are 86 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.399 going to and when if at least allegations first came out, hey, we're 87 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:09.279 gonna accept responsibility for this. We are going to have quarterly reports about what's 88 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.040 going on inside there. And then quick, very quickly, that changed too. 89 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.839 Actually we never did anything wrong, fuck you, and those reports we're 90 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.639 not going to publish them for real. Uh So now things have flipped back 91 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:24.319 a little bit, but fifty four million dollars at a certain point for Activision 92 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.720 feels a little bit like a slap on the wrist. It could have been 93 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.639 much more. That money will go to people, to the women who worked 94 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.160 at Activision during that time, and some who were even contracted to work at 95 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.920 Activision at that time. How are you feeling about this, Scott? I 96 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.160 mean, you kind of hit the nail on the head there. When I 97 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.920 was reading that, I was thinking, fifty four million seems not that much 98 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.079 considering some of the stuff you heard coming out of a division two years ago, 99 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:55.079 including you know, a death. You know, it seems like a 100 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.720 bit of a okay, yeah, just throw some money out of go awake 101 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:03.560 and satuation. But I mean, you know, there's nothing you can really 102 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:08.399 say about it. It's disgusting. I'm glad you know something's being done, 103 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:14.319 even if it doesn't seem like enough. And you know, I hope under 104 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.839 Microsoft there's kind of a big shift. But you know, right, that's 105 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.399 that's the hope, right, That would that would be the optimistic outcome, 106 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:26.560 that things would get significantly better or at least noticeably measurably better under Microsoft, 107 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.120 Right. I mean, yeah, a lot of the people are still going 108 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.959 to be there, you know, I mean, I know Bobby himself is 109 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:40.519 on his way out or has already left. I mean, he's basically gone, 110 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.720 but they said he'll be here there through the end of the year. 111 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.639 But you know, I can only hope the under Microsoft things are gonna you 112 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:54.759 know, get better. But you know, these massive companies, it's kind 113 00:07:54.759 --> 00:08:01.079 of hard to get damping on some of these things because you know, I'm 114 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.079 seeing from you know, countless different reports like this. I don't know, 115 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.160 Yeah, I mean, it's just a certain point you could it's the system. 116 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.480 It's going to keep happening. Stayed vigilant about it is maybe the one 117 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:18.279 thing we could do other than completely disrupting the system. But uh yeah, 118 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.079 and that does feel like, okay, some of that's happening here. Of 119 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.399 course, you know, the statement from Activision goes on to say, hey, 120 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:33.120 we're grateful that the California Civil Rights Department acknowledged that no allegations were corroborated 121 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.879 that Activision Blizzards board of directors, including its chief executive officer, Bobby Kottick, 122 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.559 acted improperly with regard to handling any of the instances of workplace misconduct. 123 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.639 So I mean, that's really Hey, we'll play you fifty four million dollars 124 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:50.480 you say that like the executives and the board are completely you know, clean 125 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.440 hands and all that stuff, and we'll all go on with our day. 126 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.919 You know. Again, based on the reporting, it seems very unlikely that 127 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.120 the board of directors didn't understand what was happening, what the culture was like, 128 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.240 and especially Bobby Kottick. But you know, I say unlikely because I 129 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.840 don't know, uh, and these are allegations, but the allegations were very 130 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.080 serious. And at a certain point, you know, if this is the 131 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.759 culture underneath you, you're still responsible for it at least you know that that 132 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.159 That's how I see it. Uh, Bobby Kottock is gonna just go away, 133 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.200 right? And is that too optimistic that he'll like, Okay, he's 134 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.759 gonna leave Activision, not be under Microsoft. He's not gonna try to start 135 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:33.799 up some new gaming company. Right. It's h It's like I call Croach 136 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:39.120 kind of saturation. I'm worried about I forget his name, but your guy 137 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.200 who left EA and then went and fucked up you, you know, like 138 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.840 yeah, John, yeah, yeah, there's always place for you know, 139 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.679 someone to kind of seek end somewhere and get someone else that or you know, 140 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.360 he buys a football team or hunt a doubt goesn't work in banking or 141 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.960 something like that. You know, I don't. I don't think he's done 142 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.399 forever. You know, he probably has enough money to be done forever, 143 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.440 but you know, not to see anything about greed or anything like that. 144 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.679 But yeah, I don't all I'm interested. I wonder if there's been a 145 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.679 single like firing towards any like as so far of any of us. You 146 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.480 know, early on, there were some people who definitely left, and I 147 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.360 can't remember they were explicitly fired, but it was it was obvious at the 148 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.480 time that there was some cleaning of the house, and a lot of that 149 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.679 was like people wanting to disassociate from Activision to like, I worked here at 150 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.240 the time, but I don't want to take any responsiblity for this. I 151 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.200 was not involved in any of this culture. I'm gonna leave, take my 152 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.159 money from Blizzard, for example, and go start my own studio. And 153 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.519 you know, part of that was also like, hey, we hate working 154 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.840 for Activision. The Blizzard era or the Activision era of Blizzard is fully here 155 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.080 and that sucks. But also all of these allegations have come out and it's 156 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.440 not great to work here. Anymore. And so we saw a ton of 157 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.000 people leave and go start their own things. And then a handful of people 158 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:00.240 were definitely like, no, this person is trash. And many of them 159 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:05.360 had already left and they I think they saw some repercussions at their next job, 160 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.399 but I don't think many of them did. It's really depressing when you 161 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.679 think about it in those terms of Okay, yeah, they're going to pay 162 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:16.559 a speeding ticket here the people responsible, it's hard to track down like whether 163 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:20.639 or not they actually paid any price, and the industry is just going to 164 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.559 keep marching on making more Call of Duty games. It's a bit of a 165 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.519 bummer in those terms. The CRD did put out a statement of its own, 166 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.639 saying Activision Blizzard will take additional steps to help ensure fair pay and promotion 167 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.039 practices at the company and provide monetary relief to women who are employees or contract 168 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.320 workers in California between October twelfth, twenty fifteen, and December thirty first, 169 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.480 twenty twenty A representative for the agency wrote, the agreement is still subject to 170 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:50.879 court approval, so not quite done yet. Yeah, and just like to 171 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.320 put it in perspective. In twenty twenty one, the state of California estimated 172 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:03.679 Activisions liability in these instances was nearly one billion dollars. So and put in 173 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.960 an even more perspective the very low Riot game settlement, the one that was 174 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.720 everyone's like, this isn't good enough. The one hundred million dollars, This 175 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.879 is even less than that. And as big as Riot is, Activision actually 176 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.000 even bigger. Uh so does feel like they're getting away with something here to 177 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.840 a certain extent. And then he just cald you and make it a year. 178 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:24.440 Yeah, and then they put they put it out on a Friday night 179 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.720 too, right, Scott. And it's like this is a story almost like 180 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.039 slipped through the for most people. But glad we got a chance to talk 181 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.840 about it here. All right, let's move on. Elder Ring's first expansion 182 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.320 could release in February. It's claim. This comes from Andy Robinson at vgc 183 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.679 ellen Ring. Elden Rings Shadow of the Urge Tree expansion could release in February 184 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.720 twenty twenty four, according to a retail listing. As captured by a Reddit 185 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.440 post. Retailer data Blitz briefly uploaded alleged details on the upcoming elder Ring themed 186 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:58.600 controllers from Thrustmaster. The website page claimed that the controllers would be released in 187 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.120 February twenty twenty four to two, you sync with the new Shadow of the 188 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:07.399 Ur Tree expansion release and Eldering's second anniversary. Again, there's a little bit 189 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.759 more here, Scott. But when you hear that, does that like registers? 190 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.120 That could be real? That could happen because for me, like a 191 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.960 lot of times, hey, things get put into retail websites all the time 192 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.320 by people who don't know anything, and you know, not they should know 193 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.279 anything, but they just are putting in their saving a spot for something and 194 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.200 they just put in a random date. This one seems a little bit more 195 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.799 plausible, except for February's not very far And if if that was happening, 196 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.720 I would have expected this DLC to show up at the Game Awards or something 197 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.120 like that. I don't know, what do you think. I I was 198 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.120 shocked that doesn't show up at the Game Awards. I mean, I'm pretty 199 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:46.360 sure every major from software thing in the last well at least five or six 200 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.759 years, whatever Saker was announced has been a JF Keelly event, right, 201 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.559 and then the elder Ring reveal at you know re reveal at the Summer Game 202 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:58.000 Fest or whatever it was was very successful them that that worked really well, 203 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:05.720 you would expect them to return. I agree, But it sounds if you 204 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.240 just said to me on paper, not thinking about, oh it's two months 205 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:13.080 away or whatever, just thinking about it. Elden Ring DLC twenty four February. 206 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.600 In my mind, that makes sense. But now that you've pointed out, 207 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.559 you know, we've heard nothing since whenever it was announced, it kind 208 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:26.600 of it is a bit less plausible that being said, February's packed off already, 209 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.440 Please don't. Yeah, I know what you mean, Like, there 210 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:35.799 are a ton of things happening very quickly next year. I can't remember who 211 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:37.159 it was. So someone on Twitter mentioned like, Hey, I was just 212 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.480 going through the games I want to play in the first quarter of next year, 213 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.159 and I'm going to need help, Like this is crazy already, and 214 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.440 it feels like more games could get dated for the for the first three to 215 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.879 six months of twenty or twenty twenty. Is it really gonna be twenty twenty 216 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:56.639 four? What a fucked up year? So yeah, I don't need a 217 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.559 massive expansion from elder Ring distracted me from all that. At the same time, 218 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.759 boy, am I ready for that, because I've been like thinking about 219 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:05.879 elden Ring a lot recently. It's like I would like to get back into 220 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.039 that. I should just wait for the DLC though. That'll be great and 221 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.960 I expect it to be pretty massive. I mean that they do, you 222 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:18.960 typically do relatively large, large scale DLC. Feels like they are taking extra 223 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.679 time on this one to do even more and that could be really big for 224 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.919 elder Ring, a game that was already very successful. If it's not in 225 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.960 February, I guess at a certain point that starts to feel like Man Eldering 226 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.559 came out a long time ago and we're still waiting for the DLC. At 227 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.960 the very least, we probably hear about this in the first couple of months 228 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:41.000 and next year, right, Yeah, I mean, but how long ago 229 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.399 was Cyberpunk? That was about three years ago now as well. So it's 230 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.279 like, yeah, when when you think about it like that, when you 231 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.559 think about it as an expansion rather than a DLC or something that makes a 232 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.080 bit more sense. I mean, I believe there was a cool about it 233 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.639 being like the size of Bloodborne or something like that, which is wild, 234 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:04.120 you know, uh huh. Plus I don't I don't know if I must 235 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.639 read this, but I believe in I'm not. Can I slide shoe? 236 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.919 They mentioned something else happening in twenty five in regards to elden Ring, which 237 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:17.240 like, if that isn't the only DLC, that seems like what is from 238 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:22.240 Software doing otherwise? You know, yes, when is the next you know, 239 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.039 elden Ring or the next Soul's game or the next secu roll. Yeah, 240 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:30.000 I'm not going to say blood Born too, because it's not that never 241 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.799 happened. They forgot they made that, Like what's that game? Yeah, 242 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.600 you know, games are taking longer to make, but at a certain point, 243 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.960 you know, From Software has done a pretty decent job of staying on 244 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:47.080 a relatively frequent cadence. You know, they did have Armored corese six last 245 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.480 year from this year. Still it's still twenty twenty three, and that was 246 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.360 like, you know, another team inside there. But yeah, it's okay, 247 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.639 the Elder Ring DLC is gonna come out, and it probably will still 248 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.919 take four to five years after that for the next like Miyazaki game, I 249 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:04.519 suppose. Uh so, yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to playing this and 250 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.839 then also looking forward to see what else they might be doing. If they 251 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.000 have more happening with elden Ring this this year, you know, this next 252 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.880 twelve months, I should say, uh yeah, that would be a lot. 253 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.759 And I g I guess at a certain point that makes sense because games 254 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.400 are taking so much longer, giving more to elder Ring and helping like softening 255 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.920 soften that blow of having to wait so much longer, that could be very 256 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:30.039 beneficial and people would probably appreciate that. I just hope that it's like you 257 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.559 can just go do it from you're saved. You don't have to do the 258 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:34.839 blood Borne thing or the Dark Souls thing. We need to play through the 259 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:38.200 game to a certain point, the l need to you know, let's just 260 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.440 what we can just press a button and go, Yeah, that's that'd be 261 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.960 you know, I mean at a certain point. Yeah, I think all 262 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:51.160 these expansions should be expand alones, just the standalone DLC at a certain point, 263 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.920 do the Miles Morales route. But that they haven't done that before, 264 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.799 and it's like I would expect like things to be trending always in that, 265 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.960 but we see like Pokemon used to basically do that, like they would have 266 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:08.680 the third game that was for all intents and purposes, DLC for the previous 267 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.960 gen and then they would just put that out as a standalone game, and 268 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.240 now they've moved towards no, it's just DLC for the game you already own, 269 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.880 and that seems to be working out fine for them. So as much 270 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.880 as I'm like, I love the idea of expand a loans, I don't 271 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:26.400 think it's necessary. Obviously a lot of people still buy DLC, and I 272 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.440 guess it's the proof, the biggest proof of that. Cyberpunk this year a 273 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:33.480 huge success with Phantom Liberty. All Right, we're gonna take a quick break. 274 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:36.160 When we get back. We got a lot more news. I should 275 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:37.519 say, I shouldn't say a lot more. It's gonna be a slow week 276 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.319 the holidays. Here. We got some more news. Look at all that 277 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:52.359 right after this. All right, we're back, and I have I have 278 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.319 a question. What is red and what is green? And I'm basing that 279 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.480 on this new video footage of Mario sixty four multiplayer that it's not leaked, 280 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.960 it was resurfaced and it was actually, oh my god, this is actually 281 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.440 got shown off to the public. The story is from Andy Robinson at VGC 282 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:12.240 to the headline, first ever Mario sixty four Luigi footage seemingly discovered via old 283 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:17.160 VHS tape. I'm not convinced it's Luigi, but we'll get into that. 284 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.880 Twenty six years after its release, the first ever footage appearing to show in 285 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:25.839 early Super Mario sixty four multiplayer mode with Luigi has been discovered. The footage 286 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:30.000 was spotted in a video quietly uploaded to YouTube last month, which contains rare 287 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:34.000 VHS footage showing Nintendo's nineteen ninety five Japanese Space World Show, where it showcased 288 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.359 the Nintendo sixty four for the first time. One second's long snippet of footage 289 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:44.359 appears to show off offscreen gameplay of both Mario and Luigi in early version of 290 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:48.640 Super Mario sixty four. If authentic, it's the first documented time Luigi has 291 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:51.799 been seen in the classic n sixty four game, outside of a high profile 292 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.559 twenty forty leak of classic Nintendo game files, which included a model for the 293 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:00.160 character. Even if this is not Luigi, this is still footage of the 294 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:04.640 multiplayer mode that Miamotos talked about before. I might be able to bring it 295 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.599 up here, but yeah, this this is pretty wild that still all these 296 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.599 years later, we can find documents like this and it could get uploaded to 297 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.200 YouTube and no one notices it for a month. Scott, how you finding 298 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.119 this? I think this is super interesting? What do you think this is? 299 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.680 So? I you know, I love Marius sexty four. I love 300 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:27.599 the community of Marius sixty four is very unhinged. So when the model in 301 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:32.640 that gegaleague from like what three years ago came out, that was you know, 302 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.720 that seemed crazy? Yes, So this is like another level, like 303 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:45.640 this is how how does this happen? You know what? Twenty eight years 304 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.359 ago? And they're like looking at it. It's there like and no one 305 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:53.559 noticed for that long. But I mean they said it. They said, 306 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.519 oh, we're gonna we wanted to do is it a dd? They wanted 307 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:02.200 to do the multiplayer if fourteen? Yeah, I bet they did, yes, 308 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.200 And I mean you're right, you're right. We have the Luigi model 309 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.039 that is real, that was in the Giga League, So I mean it's 310 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.160 definitely something they considered and it makes sense at a certain point, like they're 311 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.640 probably just testing a bunch of ideas. But they made this game in what 312 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.480 like eighteen months two years. They flew through development on this, so I 313 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.799 bet there was a lot of ideas that that got proposed and were quickly cut. 314 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.480 So, yeah, this is a pretty wild thing still that we're seeing 315 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:33.920 this. I I don't want to like dump in it because I think this 316 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.759 is so cool. But with this game be a good co op game, 317 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.960 no, I think that's probably it would have been really difficult. Actually, 318 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:45.799 for yeah, it probably would not have run. I mean, especially it 319 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:49.680 was like split screen early on. I mean, we've seen there's a great 320 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.200 YouTuber who I'm not gonna be able to remember the name of, but if 321 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.559 you google this you'll be able to find it who is basically reworked and optimized 322 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:03.039 Mario sixty four to run much faster on the N sixty four original hardware, 323 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.240 and they're getting, you know, forty five to almost sixty frames per second 324 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.240 sometimes for a game they ran nowhere near that because it was so unoptimized. 325 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.519 Again, because they made it so quickly and kind of had to slap it 326 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:22.119 together here. Let me uh, yeah, that the PC kind of not 327 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:26.000 a fecional pcport obviously, but the PC port that showed up during kind of 328 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.720 COVID time, there were like mods for that that court made it core I 329 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.759 think, and that was that was cool. I don't know, I probably 330 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:38.079 shouldn't publicly at met too. I've never played a moded PC port of Zumara 331 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.599 sixty four just in case, you know, you know, that seems it 332 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.920 seems like the type of thing that would have run really well and been really 333 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.720 cool and you know, been maybe my favorite way to play the game since. 334 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:56.079 But if if you know, if i'd played it well, game though, 335 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:02.720 you know, I still remarkable how much Marier sixty four as age twel 336 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.240 Yeah, I agree. It's like for being like that first idea of like 337 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.279 what three D gaming could be, like, they really nailed it right out 338 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.839 of the gate to the point where it still really does matter all these years 339 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.519 later, right, I think Nintendo has such a knack for that, Like 340 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:23.720 okay, the first first three D game they really made Marius sexty four blew 341 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:27.319 out of the war first open world games that really made one of the best 342 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.559 of all time, Like they can't keep gang away with it. As what 343 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:36.079 I'm saying exactly, Yes, totally, it's still my favorite one. I 344 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.880 think now here, let's see here the other thing that I want wanted to 345 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.039 play. It's like, okay, so people think this is Luigi, and 346 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.400 I could see because it like does look green at a certain point, but 347 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:52.000 this is VHS, and I don't know at first in the video here and 348 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.519 not see I can wind it up again. When he's doing the spin jump, 349 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.960 he actually looks red still, and then when he lands it kind of 350 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.160 suddenly turns green. But also it kind of looks a bit transparent too, 351 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:08.039 like but that could be like the color shifting of the VHS, like smudging 352 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.680 after all these years. So it looks green here, but part of me 353 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.359 is like, I don't know, like that, like the red from the 354 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.920 tile behind him is like bleeding through the hat in some way, so I 355 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.319 can see it. I don't know. I'll post the here's the Luigi models 356 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:29.279 on the chat if anyone wants to compare. But you know, I can 357 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:33.799 see it, right, I do think that is Luigi, but I don't 358 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.519 know. Right, it's very much the is the dress blue or whatever? 359 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.519 Gold sort of thing happened in here. We'll make a pool. This would 360 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:42.599 be today's poll question. Well, I'll see if I can get a picture 361 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:45.319 of this uh and put it in the poll. I think YouTube can do. 362 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.519 Put a picture poles uh, Okay, yeah, so I mean, 363 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.519 at the very least, this is really neat. And also I just love 364 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.920 any footage from Space World. I was such a Nintendo nerd as a kid 365 00:24:56.319 --> 00:25:00.640 and always wanted to go to Nintendo Space World in Japan where which is basically 366 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.599 like their own E three that they had, and so seeing what it was 367 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.640 like is always very fun for me, and they should bring it back so 368 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.519 I can actually go make that dream come true. Uh, okay, let's 369 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:15.319 go here, all right. Zelda producer shuts down the idea of a Zelda 370 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.599 style Mario Maker game. This is from my Nintendo News. A Zelda style 371 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.240 Mario Maker game would be great fun, and Polygon asked the all important question, 372 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.400 why haven't we got one. Speaking to Polygon, the Legend of Zelda 373 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.640 producer ag Alnuma told the site that it's not something they have been considering, 374 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.359 as although the Legend of Ald Tiers of the Kingdom had the building mechanics, 375 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.400 they don't want to make creativity a requirement when we're creating games like Tiers of 376 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.799 the Kingdom. I think it's important that we don't make creativity a requirement. 377 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.160 Instead, we put those things into the game that encourage people to be creative 378 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.200 and give them the opportunity to be creative without forcing them to. But when 379 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.759 asked directly about a Mario Maker style game for Zelda, Alnuma had an interesting 380 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.200 answer about the nature of Zelda games and what they offer to players. There 381 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.359 are people who want the ability to create from scratch, but that's not everyone, 382 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.680 I think, and everyone delights in the discovery of finding your own way 383 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.319 through a game, and that is something we tried to make sure that we 384 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.559 included in Tiers of the Kingdom. There isn't one right way to play. 385 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.000 If you are a creative person, you have the ability to go down that 386 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.240 path, but that's not what you have to do. You are also able 387 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.119 to proceed to the game in many other different ways, and so I don't 388 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.960 think that it would be a good fit for the legend of Zelda to necessarily 389 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.640 require people to build things from scratch and force them to be creative. Does 390 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.319 that answer a vibe with you? Do you? Does that register with you? 391 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:37.440 I think my answer is a question. Maybe sure. I don't know 392 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.799 if we can make this a poll. The lengths Awakening remake, did anyone 393 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:47.079 touch that Dungeon Maker? Yeah? I played it? Like ten minutes I 394 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:48.640 tried it. I think there was some stuff you had to do to unlock 395 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:55.559 a few things, and it's not great. It feels very very limited, 396 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.000 and like yeah, in terms of limited, both in what you could do 397 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.960 and how much fun you can have, I think and theory. You know, 398 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:03.559 oh a maker is cool. You know, it's like, oh, 399 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.240 yeah, we can make a Zelda, but can you make a Zelda? 400 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.720 You know? Okay, so either do the dungeon maker like links Awakening, 401 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.079 which doesn't really work, or you can do you know, would you make 402 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.920 a full game? Like where does it stop with Zelda Maker? Yeah, 403 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.960 I guess that's the question. And I see why people think it's possible, 404 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:22.119 right, because it's, oh, it's a tile base, so you used 405 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.480 to like, you know, smash different tiles together. But you're right, 406 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.480 links Awaken the shows that they I mean, maybe maybe they could do more 407 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.240 to make it more fun, but it's at a certain point it's not a 408 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.160 problem worth solving because I think this answer is generally generally right, that most 409 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.960 people want to play new games in the Zelda series, not necessarily make their 410 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.880 own, or even play weird ones made by their friends. And it's if 411 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:51.200 you enable if you empower players with enough tools to make wacky Zelda stuff. 412 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:52.960 At a certain point, it's going to not a certain point very quickly, 413 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.440 it's going to stop feeling like a Zelda. And then you start asking, 414 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.799 what's the point? Uh, you know, Mario Maker, It's like, 415 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.279 oh, this stuff can kind of feel like within the realm of a Mario 416 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.400 platforming level, and some of them even gets outside of that. But Mario 417 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.880 can be a lot of things. There are certain expectations result that I think 418 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:14.079 would quickly get sullied and not that I would be upset, but I just 419 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:15.559 it's like, it wouldn't feel like Zelda. So what's the point? Does 420 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.480 that sound right to you? Yeah? I mean how long into Zelda Maker 421 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.640 being out does it turn into like the top courses are all like here's how 422 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:29.759 you can listen to I don't know, the SpongeBob tem tune and Zelda Maker 423 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.200 and it's like an a scroll or like here's like five hundred enemies on the 424 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.319 screen at once, try to survive. Well, like that's what Mario Maker 425 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:37.839 quickly devolved into. Yeah, I don't really think you can do that as 426 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:44.640 easily as Zelda, but I just I don't. It's such a it's cool 427 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.440 and theory that doesn't work. Not like someone mentioned in the chat a Mega 428 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.079 man maker, like that makes more sense, you know, but Zelda's a 429 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.279 bit too grandiose and too kind of you know, there's too much that goes 430 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.480 into a Zelda for it to really work and not feel like kind of half 431 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.079 asked kind of thing, you know, because it either just beat dungeons or 432 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.599 would be like impossible to do, you know. Yep, yeah, I 433 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.240 agree, and uh what really, at the end of the day, what 434 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:18.240 I want is for igl Numa and uh the director of Tiers the Kingdom Breath 435 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.119 the while Fujibayashi to keep going down the route that they're on, being happy, 436 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.880 like to explore more possibilities in open world, you know, fully open 437 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.039 Zelda, and then I want Nintendo to find either other other partners or other 438 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:36.759 teams inside of Nintendo to make spiritual successors to a link between worlds, which 439 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.400 is like one of the best playing games of all time. I don't need 440 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.119 them to like do all these other weird offshoots unless it's going to be like 441 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.279 the you know, the Rhythm game, uh, you know, crypt of 442 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.559 the Necro Dancer with the high role hustles when I want to call it, 443 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.640 that's not the name, uh, but yeah, like some like fun offshoots 444 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.160 from from like Indie Partners, something that I imagined they were going to do 445 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.240 more of at the time, and they haven't done do that stuff. You 446 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.279 don't have to like replicate Maker and all these other franchises. Turns out out 447 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.160 Mario was the right one for that, and we can move on. We 448 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.119 can just go back and play Mario Maker two like that will We'll be fine. 449 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:14.920 I wonder what was the team who that the a Krena and Joe's mass 450 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.599 remakes? Dude, you know what was the team that likes Awakening doing the 451 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.799 same team Link's Awakening? Was Grezo? And I want to I think maybe 452 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.839 the Grezo did those other two, but I'm not I actually have no memories. 453 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.599 I don't think I ever knew, but I think that could be right 454 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:33.160 and Grezo taking on Like, Okay, we've done a bunch of these remasters 455 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.240 slash remakes at this point, and we've learned about learned a lot about how 456 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.839 Zelda works. We've worked directly with a Nintendo e ad producer that is has 457 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.720 overseen Zelda before so what if we tried to make something new that was like 458 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.119 a sequel to like that. I mean, people want traditional Zelda. This 459 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.440 is the way to do it. Just make it. Like Okay, so 460 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.000 we had link a link, link to the past, a link between worlds, 461 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.519 and now a new game in that mold once again, and now this 462 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.920 time it's from Grezo. I would be very happy with that. But I 463 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:10.039 mean they had a Mark Creesteam do the remake of Metroid right exactly androidredgs, 464 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.519 you know, so like and there, I mean, if you think about 465 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.720 it, we don't know, but come on, they're probably making a new 466 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.079 Metroid, right, yeah, I would hope. So, so yeah, 467 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.160 that's exactly what I want from Zelda. But then it kind of leaves where 468 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.920 does the free D games go? You know, where's that kind of metal? 469 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:27.960 You know, where's the Okarna and Majora's mask and all that. Goal 470 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.559 They probably do a remake of ochera of time before we get the next major 471 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:38.119 Zelda release, right, because that's going to be so long, and I 472 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.640 don't know, it makes a lot of allowed to mention AND's Wiley Princess, 473 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.960 Yeah we can. I don't know why they don't just release those HD versions, 474 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.599 but they haven't, so yeah, that would be ideal as well if 475 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.880 we can get those on Switch at the very least, But son of a 476 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.079 bitch, Nintendo hates me, so they're not going to do that all right. 477 00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.720 Zelda Boss is excited about net Nintendo console and what new things it can 478 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.079 do. This is from Eddie McCoo at Game Spot. Nintendo will eventually make 479 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.799 another hardware platform and there will eventually be another Zelda game for it. Neither 480 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.759 are one hundred percent confirmed, of course, but both are some of the 481 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:16.200 safest bets anyone can make. Zelda producer agi al Numa has now discussed at 482 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.759 a high level what Nintendo's designers think about when tackling new hardware. Speaking to 483 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.200 Polygon, Anumo, who has worked on the Zelda series for decades and has 484 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.799 been part of the team during multiple console transitions, laid out some of the 485 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.880 areas that Nintendo focuses on. He said, Nintendo's designers think about things like 486 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.799 what can what can we do that's new, what will be what will we 487 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:37.920 be able to do, and what kind of new themes will we be able 488 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.119 to explore? And so I think rather than focusing on the past when we're 489 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.720 changed. When we've changed from one console to another, it's more than a 490 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.920 feeling of saying goodbye. It's a feeling of excitement. It's about what we 491 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.240 will be, what will be the new things that we'll be able to do. 492 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.480 I this is why where I'm still very excited, because hey, the 493 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:59.880 switch I love. But at a certain point, you know that a team 494 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:05.759 like the Zelda team was looking at a variety of physics and simulation things that 495 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.960 they wanted to try, and they got They packed a ton in there. 496 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.440 I still think about the way the chains work in Tiers of the Kingdom and 497 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.480 being mesmerized by that and seeing a lot of other I've seeing developers who were 498 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.119 like, this is crazy that they put this in this game because it's so 499 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.960 unreliable in so many games like it shows a level of confidence, but it's 500 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.279 like, imagine what they could do if they had a little bit more power, 501 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.079 next gen console power, and not just in terms of visuals, but 502 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:35.000 in terms of physics simulation. So I'm very much looking forward to this, 503 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.880 But do you expect them to take like obvious advantage of a new system or 504 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.680 is it just going to be like, man, now that we got brought 505 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.240 to the Volunteers of the Kingdom. They are going to stay in this rut 506 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:51.799 for a while. What do you expect? I think the biggest thing I 507 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.559 expect is when the game gets revealed, it's going to have an art style, 508 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.599 and everyone's going to be expecting, you know, they're like, this 509 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.000 is what graphics will look like in twenty thirteen minutes La Twilight Princess, Like 510 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.359 you know, it's going to be It's going to be an art style. 511 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.799 It's not going to be like some amazing graphical powerhouse, because, like you 512 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.480 said, they love these like weird physics things and these weird like interactions. 513 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.360 That stuff seems more important if they keep I think keeping the spirit of those 514 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.719 two games is important if they want to continue doing it. But I do 515 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.440 maybe agree. I think it was Alnumas said that the next game isn't going 516 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.360 to be like Breath of the Wild, Free Usual the Kingdom Do. It's 517 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.119 going to be you know, it's going to be something new. But you 518 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.920 know, I feel like it's what do you do at this point? You 519 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.440 know, because like there's not really you know, you need to kind of 520 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.960 keep this going because these are the most popular Zelda games now, yeah, 521 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.719 you need to. I mean a lot of people still complain, Oh, 522 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.400 it's the same map from Breath of the World, even though you know there's 523 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:59.039 a lot of differences there. So I feel like, I don't know, 524 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.079 maybe they take it somewhere new, Maybe they take it out of Hirol. 525 00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.840 Maybe I don't really know. But yeah, Mike was speculating like like a 526 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.079 win Waker spiritual successor to put it back on the ocean. That could be 527 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:15.440 cool, just something they need, something big to kind of say, Okay, 528 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:17.199 you know, we know you're tired of this same high roll. Here's 529 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.679 yeah, like the ocean or like the links awakening dream World to place, 530 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.559 you know, like something different. But I think if they keep they need 531 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.880 to find like a new physics gimmick, you know. I think that's gonna 532 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.320 be the big thing from Zelda going on. Like before it was like here's 533 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.079 the new items and dungeons. The new one is, here's this big new 534 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.239 like power you can use, you know, here's building cars or I don't 535 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.559 know, give Link a gun or something. Yeah, I mean, finally 536 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.119 he needs a gun. Just give a magnum. I've been saying, Detective 537 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.360 Pikachu the games, if they had him chain smoking and gave him a gun 538 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.960 ten times better. Yep. Game of the Year for sure. I'm right 539 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.440 there with you. I think when I look at the limitations that are obvious 540 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.159 and Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, it is, Oh, 541 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.840 they made these worlds very sparsely populated for a reason, like they built 542 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.199 that into the lore. But it's because they didn't want to overtax the switch 543 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.159 in any way. And I think having a more populated world and maybe having 544 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.199 better AI so that you can do more with the NPC characters and they feel 545 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.800 more alive and more responsive, that seems like a path they could go down. 546 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.320 But again it's like, hey, that they're not going to do something 547 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.079 that's going to completely derail them from the path they're on right now, so 548 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.360 suddenly the same time, it will be years and years before we get this 549 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:43.840 next game. You know, the weight between Breath of the Wild to Tiers 550 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.639 of the Kingdom was six almost seven years, right, So kind of looking 551 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.039 at them like, if it's that way again, the world could be very 552 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:53.920 different, So they might have to be thinking outside the bocket, some box, 553 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.960 in some grand way if they want to make sure that the investment that 554 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.519 it's going to take will be worth their time, all right? See if 555 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.920 Stars surpasses four million players in less than four months. This came as a 556 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:07.599 pressure release this morning. I figure you just kind of talk about, hey, 557 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.000 this was in h Xbox game Pass, was it also? I think 558 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.599 it was also in PlayStation Plus. Yeah, it was in the PlayStation Plus 559 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.960 extra and premium tiers, and and they got you know, four million players, 560 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.000 and that that's that's not like four million sales. That counts people who 561 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.639 played it in those things. That's that's pretty good. Right. Are we 562 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:29.599 feeling good about these numbers for games that are in these services and are able 563 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:36.719 to rack up millions of players? Or should they be even bigger? I 564 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.440 in a year like this, I feel like, see, this is the 565 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.760 best chance for CEA Stars to be on game Pass or PlayStation Plus, you 566 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.360 know, because the word I moved from that game was incredible. But you 567 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.639 know, we've got uh when we see the Stars. That was August, 568 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.320 so you had bold Esgate fore Starfield come out, even though that was you 569 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.679 know, sit and then you had the October Batch coming you know, so 570 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:00.840 in a year like that, yes, I think this is very good for 571 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.159 costars. I think maybe last year where it was about Choir, it could 572 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:07.960 have been like a Celeste kind of thing, where like you know, Cstars 573 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.400 probably would have been up for the Game of the Year Game of last year, 574 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:16.679 you know. So you know, I think as goods, but I 575 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.239 just I don't know. Yeah, I think it. I think that's just 576 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.760 its best bet this year. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot 577 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.559 of people were playing on the Switch though, because it seems like a switch 578 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:29.079 game. You know, You're right. I think it's still sold very well 579 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.079 because of that, right, like those it got a lot of players on 580 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:36.880 those other platforms and probably sold very well on the Switch. I think the 581 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.039 thing that always throws me off is it takes two sold like seven million copies, 582 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.480 and I'm not, like, man, that's is that the level that 583 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:45.280 we can expect for some of these games. And it's like, I know, 584 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.159 I think that was an anomaly. Obviously one Game of the Year and 585 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.400 that field some of that, But it was selling before or selling well even 586 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.039 before all that. So when I think look at numbers, it's it's easy 587 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.800 to be like, hey, these comparisons feel off, but no, like 588 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.840 See of Stars is a different thing, has a very much narrower appeal at 589 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.360 first, And so the fact that it's able to have success by going on 590 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.079 game Pass, bey on PlayStation Plus, and then selling one on the Switch 591 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.000 reaching four million players, that's good and it's someone to chat pointed out, 592 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.840 and I missed the name. When you are going to pitch your next game 593 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.800 and you're looking for investment from publishers or whatever, saying the last game had 594 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.239 four million players is going to be very helpful in making games going forward. 595 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.320 And then also being able to get your games in game Pass and PlayStation Plus 596 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.800 going forward, that also helps. And if you had one success in there, 597 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.000 those companies tend to be like, hey, yeah, if you want 598 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.480 to come back and do your next one the same way, we are more 599 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.719 than open to that. And the fact that you've got so many players, 600 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.920 maybe we're going to pay you even better. So they put this out as 601 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.039 a press release. They seem very happy with it. I think it's interesting. 602 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.119 I don't know if I can think of any other game that launched day 603 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.039 one on both PS Plus and game Pass. I can either maybe something that 604 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.000 you know the word, or when something comes out in game Pass the word 605 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.159 I know if you know what's restricted the people to XBOXSA xbots and PC. 606 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:07.320 When it's only in Place Plus it's you know, restricted to PlayStation owners. 607 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.519 But now it's like everyone can jump down, like you know, no matter 608 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:14.000 of walk constantly you're on, this game is here. It's free for most 609 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.880 of you, or it's free, you know. But I think that's maybe 610 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.599 an interesting experiment. I think they may see more of that going forward. 611 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.199 I mean obviously some people will probably have like exclusive deals and all that, 612 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:31.239 but right I'm interested to see if this makes more people put games out on 613 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.840 both by saying that, I mean, was it Stray? Was it a 614 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.039 Day one PS plus title as well? So? Yeah, I think so 615 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.559 something in the PS plus war that does. I don't know. Yeah, 616 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.840 I think PS plus has always been able to give games that extra juice when 617 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.480 when you know, Rocket League is the one, the earliest one I think 618 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.239 of watching on PS plus and then to turn it into a phenomenon. Obviously 619 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.639 a big part of that is it's a very good game, but PS plus 620 00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.199 can certainly have I think that out of the gate benefit to a game, 621 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.840 even more so than Game Pass, where it's like, yeah, part of 622 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.719 game pass great. This is why game pass is great with PS plus. 623 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:07.960 It feels like if it's if it pops off on there, it's like, 624 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.519 oh, that's because this is a great game. I know it's like a 625 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.039 small difference, and maybe it's just in my head, but that's how I 626 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:20.639 feel about it. Concept art from seemingly canceled Time Splitter's reboot appears online and 627 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.559 it's not the game is canceled, but it seems like these are from that 628 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:29.559 Time splitter canceled reboot. This from Jordan Midler at VGC. Following the likely 629 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:34.119 cancelation of the Time Splitter's reboot and confirmed closure of developer Free Radical, alleged 630 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.039 images and assets from the project have started to appear online. Free Radical was 631 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.880 closed this month, just two years after it was established as part of a 632 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.199 huge company wide as part of huge company wide cuts and Embracer and its owned 633 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.519 publishers. Now following the closure, assets fur its game have seemingly started to 634 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.679 appear on the art station pages of various artists who worked on the times Splitters 635 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:59.280 reboot, as collected by the community maintained Free Radical wiki. And these things 636 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.559 are you know, mostly just like level art and stuff like that. A 637 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.719 lot of it was collected on reset era, but you know, it looks 638 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.159 pretty good. I think you know, it's concept art, so we can 639 00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:13.119 only glean so much from it. But at certain point it's like, man, 640 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.719 trying to get a shooter going these days is difficult. How do you 641 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.000 make it stand out? And at a certain point, just saying it's times 642 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.199 Twitter, so we're going to go back to all these familiar settings, that 643 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.159 feels like a tough hurdle to overcome. But I was still looking forward to 644 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.079 this game. It's kind of a bummer and this make you feel any certain 645 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:36.079 kind of way seeing art like this, Oh, I think you might be 646 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:40.199 muted the way around. Sorry, it's weird. I think tames Players is 647 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.760 in like a weird kind of place because like anyone who is there at the 648 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.320 time has such a great fullness for Thames Players. Yes, definitely, if 649 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.599 you release a game and sway it's ready for you called tames Players for or 650 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.239 whatever? Is it there? Like are the people there is? You know, 651 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.039 does the as the markets still there? And then obviously they were talking 652 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.079 about it started off as like a Fortnight clone, but then you also run 653 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.119 into the wall of there's fifty Fortnights out now, how many of them survive. 654 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.280 You know, would it be another Radical Heights or would it just be 655 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.119 like another title Fall two where it's like how people love it and then you 656 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.760 know it kind of goes away. Is it's a shame. It's it's tough 657 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.239 because I don't think there was any winning for them, Like a lot of 658 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.239 people would have loved to see this, including myself. You know, it's 659 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.480 not like Okay, I'm got I. This is a bigger issue of you 660 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:36.960 know, Embracer. Being Embracer is the real real problem here. You know, 661 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.400 imagine like buying up a bunch of companies on a deal that wasn't done 662 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.599 yet. Like it's like this year has been bad, but Embracer groups like 663 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:52.079 you know, another level entirely here and it's like what two weeks before you 664 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.039 know, the holidays and they're they're laid off an entire studio, you know, 665 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.199 done yet they probably have more happening before the this year. That's the 666 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.440 scary thing. A studio that's been arouns as well, like late nineties. 667 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:10.960 I want to say, you know, people like how does this happen? 668 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:17.639 You know, how does like a mess up on this level happen? As 669 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.760 like you know what we've seen with Embrasier group. You know, yep, 670 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.559 it's it's tough, it's it's it's frustrating, and uh, I think that 671 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.239 when we try to figure out what was happening with Embracer, those sad things, 672 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.199 it's going to be like, well, it was the thing everyone kind 673 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:36.079 of felt in their gut, Like every time this would come, we would 674 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.840 talk about, oh, an acquisition from Embracer on various shows or various stories. 675 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.119 I would write and be like, well, well, you know, 676 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.480 they haven't really stated what their what their strategy is, and everyone's wondering, 677 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.360 like, well, they're just going to try to make a bunch of these 678 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.119 games of what's going on here, and it's like, well, they had 679 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.199 not really thought about it beyond like it would be good to be bigger. 680 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.840 That's all. They thought. It would be good to be bigger because then 681 00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.400 you could do more, and what is more was never well, don find 682 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.400 because they didn't really know. There's just a new that bigger would be better 683 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:07.360 for them in some vague way, and it's like, okay, but that 684 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.000 seems pretty risky, especially if anything changes in the macro economic situation, and 685 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.400 it did and immediately fell apart to the point where there is no coming back 686 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:22.960 from Embracer. So yeah, this is a continue continuing, tough situation and 687 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.719 one that would have been avoidable had there had more thought been put into it. 688 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.199 As like far as Timesplitters like as a game and a concept, I 689 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.320 do think about like those New Blood games, the boomer shooters on Steam that 690 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.840 have a strong like visual identity, and like you look at it like, 691 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.960 Okay, I know what they're going for. They're trying to be like Due 692 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.639 Nucum. They're trying to be like Rise of the Triad or they literally are 693 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.800 Rise of the Triad, and I have a certain affinity for that stuff. 694 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.159 I'm ready to show up. It feels like we are working our way up 695 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:58.239 to being able to do that same sort of concept of Hey, a independent 696 00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.559 studio is going to take on this kind of game that you like from your 697 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.400 youth, and they're going to do it with a lot of character and a 698 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.440 lot of style. And when I look at the art for this, I 699 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.119 don't get that sense. This feels like, hey, just try to make 700 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.599 a triple a times Twitter's modern game, and it's like, I don't know 701 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:16.639 if that makes a ton of sense. These days that would have been tough 702 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.159 to pull off. So hey, I'm sad that this game isn't happening, 703 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:22.199 but at certain points, like man that would have been a tough thing to 704 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:28.159 pull off. I mean, who has pulled off outside of Befezda. I 705 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.079 mean that far Shadow Warrior was really good. Yeah, sure, then the 706 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.159 rest of Shadow Warrior was quite well. I don't know a bit too about 707 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.639 three was pretty rough. But other than that, it's been like dooming Wolfenstein 708 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.639 and no one else is really kinda had to. Yeah, in terms of 709 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.440 these like legacy franchises obviously about stuff like Proteus and what was the one that 710 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.599 year Tarbo Overkill Overkill, Yes, exactly, So like there is a market 711 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.199 there, but I don't know if there's a triple a market there outside of 712 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:04.800 Doom and Wolfenstein. Yeah, and it's uh, I think Wolfenstein requires like 713 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.559 this certain amount of extra and Doom like they both like figured out their lane 714 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.880 and they went hard at it, and maybe Time Twitters could have done this. 715 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.199 That could have done the same thing, but it would have been very 716 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.719 challenging. Like you're not getting a Doom or a Wolfenstein every couple of months 717 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.320 from a bunch of different developers. It's one or two studios that really understand 718 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.360 it, and I think it would have been tough for this new free radical 719 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.920 to figure that out in a way that would have been wholly satisfying. But 720 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:36.239 again I would it's a shame they don't get a chance to try, all 721 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.760 right. Goddess and Goddess Wars has been removed from Steam. This is from 722 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.760 Brendan Sinclair at Games Industry Dot is Twenty two Cans has pulled Goddess and Goddess 723 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.679 Wars from sale on Steam in an announcement posted across both titles steam pages on 724 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:52.639 Thursday. The company attributed the removal to changes from a business partner. Regrettably, 725 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.440 due to an upcoming technical change to Amazon Web Services affecting our ability to 726 00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.280 serve necessary game files to new users, these titles are to be withdrawn from 727 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.239 the Steam Store, the company said. Twenty two Cans said those who already 728 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:08.079 have the game will be able to continue to play them. Goddess Lea launched 729 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:13.559 on Steam Early Access in step September twenty thirteen. Jesus and the more combat 730 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.320 centric spin off, Goddess Wars followed on Steam Early Access in February twenty sixteen. 731 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.039 Neither Goddess nor Goddess Wars ever left Early Access on Steam, and they 732 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:27.599 both mostly have negative reviews on the platform. Peter malin who says that you 733 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:31.079 could still play Goddess on mobile where it's performing very well or really well. 734 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:36.920 He says, who knows this? Why I just brought this up because I 735 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:39.599 think about Peter Malinu sometimes. I know he's got some new Web three thing 736 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.719 he's working on that feels like whatever. I don't want to pay attention to 737 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.880 that. But man, the promise of Peter Malinu going out on his own 738 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.280 and trying something, and this being the Goddess being the result of that tapping 739 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:57.119 game where he kept on the cube Curiosity I think it was called, and 740 00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:59.880 then the last player to tap on the last piece of the cube would get 741 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.880 the help inform what happened with Goddess, And I was like, man, 742 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:07.719 there were so many ideas about making games happening throughout the crowdfunding era and all 743 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.360 these things that you could do in the early access early parts of the early 744 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:14.719 Access era, and none of it came to fruition. And it was just 745 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.000 like, Okay, this was all a pretty bad idea. Do you have 746 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:25.239 any fondness for Goddess or this era of Peter Malineu. When I sent the 747 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.760 rundown today, I was like, what is Goddess? I remembered I remember 748 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.239 the Cube, I remember the Cube poppening, and I remember Goddess technically, 749 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:42.480 but Goddess Wars nothing. I I can't blind Peter Molineu in my head for 750 00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:44.960 a while. So when I heard that it was making like a web free 751 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.039 game, it was like, no, that track. Yeah, I don't 752 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.800 know. I feel I feel bad for the guy who tapped on the cube. 753 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.719 You know, what's what's Where's has money going? You know Where's has 754 00:49:53.880 --> 00:50:00.400 has our? Has a piece of art? Goddess going? But I don't 755 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.519 know. I didn't Did you play Goddess? No? I never played Goddess. 756 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.000 I'd like intended to try it out, and it was like another bummer 757 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.679 where it's like, now this just seems like a bad situation. Did anyone 758 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:16.239 play Goddess in the show? People like had some nice things to say about 759 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:20.519 Goddess Wars, but it was like I think it was always in comparison to 760 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.440 be like, oh well this is better than just straight Goddess. So hey, 761 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.159 well, that's a nice thing to say about this, and that was 762 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.800 it. But I don't think I actually like that either. Why thirteen was 763 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.920 maybe a good year for it when you know, the Semsei stuff had just 764 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.639 happened, and I think if it was gonna blow off, it would have 765 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.039 been then. Yeah. You know, now we have like Frontier and stuff 766 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:44.519 like that, but these like you know, good SETI Builders and good God 767 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.440 games and stuff like that. You know, So I don't really know if 768 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.199 it had a chance. I don't know. Maybe it took about too long 769 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.000 because is it still an early access? I never left it never left early 770 00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.599 access? Yep. Yeah, I mean kind of tell us the whole story 771 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.599 right there, right where it's like they never really found a way to believe 772 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.480 in it as a real product. Last story here, Max Pain starred James 773 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.480 McCaffrey has died at sixty five after battling cancer. James McCaffrey, an actor 774 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.599 best known for a voice seeing the popular video game character Max Pain, has 775 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.320 died after a battle with cancer. That's according to TMZ, but now we 776 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:22.000 see that Remedy has also put out a post about this. He worked. 777 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.079 He was an actor for a very long time. Thirty five years, but 778 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.199 probably best known as Max Pain. He also did the voice of who's the 779 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.400 character? Now Wakey did the voice of Alex Casey. Thank you Alex Casey. 780 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.719 So yeah, you probably just heard him in a game. This is 781 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.280 a real shame. Rest in peace to James McCaffrey. Did did you hear 782 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.400 about this news this morning? How to hit you? So? I heard 783 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:51.360 it this morning, but there was like some questioning, right, confusion about 784 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.280 it this morning? Yeah, like someone I saw a post. It was 785 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.199 like, oh, someone, I think someone's wrong. Remedype is maybe like, 786 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:00.000 oh we haven't heard anything. Yeah, no, I mean, what 787 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.079 can you say? It's gotting. You know, he's phenomenal, phenomenal voice 788 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.719 actor. I haven't I can't say I've seen any of his live action stuff, 789 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.679 but even from Max Pain, Control and now Wake Too, it's like, 790 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.239 you know what, even like his voice is so iconic, you know, 791 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.320 like, yeah, I know, I know, Alex Casey's kind of 792 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:23.719 meant to be like a Max Pain but not really a thing. But you 793 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:28.239 know it was good at doing that. You know, he was a very 794 00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:34.920 good actor. Interesting, you know how all that kind of happened, you 795 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.000 know, all the Alex Casey, Max Pain stuff. I wonder, actually, 796 00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.840 are they not remaking Max pain? They are remaking Max Pain? Yeah, 797 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.039 I think they They're making Max Pain one and two, right, I 798 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.320 think that's how it's going down. Hm. So isn't that kind of a 799 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.360 real shame? I mean, who knows what the solution is there? And 800 00:52:53.440 --> 00:53:00.000 may you know, it's a bummer in terms of thinking about preserving James McAffrey 801 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.199 to work and and honoring it and hopefully there's a way to do that. 802 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.400 But you know, right now, it's like just a shame that the man 803 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:13.239 has gone after such a good and long career. Is that kind of you 804 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.920 know David Bowie thing, were like, he just he just puts something out, 805 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.239 you know, he was just done a game, you know, it's 806 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:27.119 exactly. Yeah. I did remember watching American Splendor and being like, why 807 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.360 do I know this guy? And then being like, oh no, that's 808 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.639 James McCaffrey. Is this like kind of side character in the middle of this 809 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.159 HBO movie? So yeah, it was like cool to see him occasionally in 810 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:40.960 some live action stuff, all right. And he definitely did a lot of 811 00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.559 acting a bunch of different roles, so he's been in a lot of things, 812 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.400 all right. I got a pull question from some time in the past. 813 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.159 Let me bring that up. Actually, before I do that, what 814 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:52.920 do you tell people? Scott where people where people could find you? What 815 00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:58.239 you have going on? All that good stuff? So you can fight me 816 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:05.000 on Twitter? S McCrae underscore because I couldn't get the s McCraney. What 817 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.159 do you do? I'm all over the place. My news stuff is mirrored 818 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:12.880 ut Cody UK, Forward Slash Gaming. That's wherein I write news and a 819 00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:17.280 bunch of reviews. I've just had an interview with Harada from Teching Project go 820 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.199 up on their YouTube channel, which you know what, I will maybe link 821 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:28.119 in there in the chat somewhere. But you know, Twitter is probably the 822 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.920 best place to find me. You'll find you will find my I'll post the 823 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:37.039 stuff I can curate what people see. You know, you'll see you too, 824 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.760 about god hand a lot. Someone's saying, don't ask Harrada shit about 825 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.880 tech, and he told me, don't ask me for shit. I got 826 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.679 them to say it. I said the word street fighter across Teching and he 827 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:52.320 was like, nope, So you know we did it. But yeah, 828 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.400 I don't know. Twitter is the best place you'll find me on a start 829 00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:59.920 menu today with the best Game of the year list you're ever going to see. 830 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.000 So, yeah, the real, real game of the year, the 831 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.760 real game of the year. You know, no one can tell me any 832 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:09.159 differently, you know. So, yes, True Fighter Sex is the best 833 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:15.679 game of twenty three club we all agree, But yeah, I don't know. 834 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.639 I keep saying tw Twitter is the best place divide me. I refuse 835 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.119 to call it the other name. Oh yeah, sure, but I hate 836 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.519 the way it feels coming in my mouth. I did it once and never 837 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.119 again. Yeah, I've refused. We had we had the discussion and the 838 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.039 new and the news group like, so what do we do here? And 839 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:36.280 I was like, just keep going it, just keep going on Twitter. 840 00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:38.519 Yeah, we're not We're not acknowledging it. We're not. Did you see 841 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.840 the Sonic the Hedgehog thing where it was like the voice actors doing one of 842 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.519 those like live Q and A's on Twitter and they were dogging on it. 843 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.840 So you know, when you're getting made funnel by Sonic, if you are 844 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.760 like a punching bag for Sonic the Hedgehog, you've fucked up big time. 845 00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:01.400 Absolutely all right, I got pull question. Let's see here. Do you 846 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.400 want a multiplayer Spider Verse game from Insomniac in addition to Spider Man three and 847 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:07.760 Wolver Rang. Do we do this one? Alre? You know what? 848 00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.400 Who cares? Twenty percent said yes, eighty percent said no. Yeah, 849 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:15.480 that's uh. I would. Yeah, we did, We did do this. 850 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.119 I refreshed. Maybe I didn't put up the last poll question, so 851 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.000 all right, we'll move. We we'll do two tomorrow. Everybody, Yeah, 852 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.039 never did the new one? Okay, well we'll fix that, all 853 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.960 right. New poll question? Is that Mario RhE or is it Mario or 854 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:30.199 is it Luigi in that thing? And again, I'll try to figure out 855 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.119 how to post a picture along with it so everyone can see it. If 856 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.280 not, I'll just link to the video so people can watch that, and 857 00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:42.840 we'll get that posted and we'll talk about that on Game Mess Mornings on Wednesday 858 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.559 here on Giant Bomb. I think we'll do I think we'll do one on 859 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.119 Wednesday and not on Thursday or Fridays. Then we'll be done for the rest 860 00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.599 of the week, and we got other things happening Thursday. But there will 861 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.079 least be one more Game Mess Mornings this year. We'll discuss that here. 862 00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:00.559 Speaking of Giant Bomb, what else do we have going on. We should 863 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.519 have a couple of things popping off this week. I think we'll try to 864 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:07.559 do a Blight Club still, and then we're gonna be prepping a few things 865 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:08.719 for the rest of the year. I got a lot of guest lists coming 866 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:13.199 in Game of the Year Guest List. Those will be going up over the 867 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.840 holiday break, so look out for all that. Marina's got a bunch of 868 00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:20.000 in the system already, so looking forward to reading some of those. I 869 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.679 was like, I'm getting these sent to me, Scott, and I'm like 870 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.639 checking on people's out list, and there are a few people did have Starfield 871 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:28.679 on there on their top ten, usually at like spot nine or ten. 872 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:35.760 So yeah, sure, sure, I don't know. I played about like 873 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.280 eight or nine hours and I was like, yeah, I don't really like 874 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:42.800 Defensta games, not much, but especially yeah, if that's really gonna do 875 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.840 nothing for you. If you've get Starfield in your list, then you haven't 876 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:51.360 played Street Fight or Sex or Pizza Tower. I do ask what what's going 877 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.840 on there? You know? Did you get into Starfield? Did Starfield have 878 00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:00.199 Malow in it? I don't think it dead. I did miss this last 879 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.039 Stoor excuse me. Ginshold Impact has a character named Gaming. What is happening? 880 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:10.480 Finally? What is this? It's a post from the Ginschen Impact Twitter 881 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:15.320 account. Name Gaming title, leonin Vanguard or Leon Hine. It's a sorted 882 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:22.880 strongbox Transport Guard Vision Pyra All this is nonsense to me, So you know 883 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.679 there was there was a reason I want here today. I'd like to announce 884 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:29.119 that I'm also called Gaming and I will be coming to gainst them, but 885 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.239 in the near future. I don't know what what what is the name Gaming 886 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.960 of? What can you What type of character do you think he has? 887 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.480 Yeah, I suppose it's this this nerd here that they've put on I put 888 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.880 in the Actually, you know I need to only to go look at the 889 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:51.719 that is gaming, all right, Gaming personified? All right, Scott, 890 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:53.280 thank you so much for spinding today talking with me, with me about video 891 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:58.159 games. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I also appreciate 892 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.880 this absolutely. I thank you for watching. You're the best audience in gaming. 893 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:06.079 Until next time, have a good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.