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Michael Wharton back in the saddle this month HIGHLANDA. Hello, how was Iceland?
Iceland was amazing? It was incredible. I didn't want to come back.
It wasn't quite Finland, but it was Iceland. Oh boy, that's
that's for another show. But Gary, welcome. Thank you. Gary did
a great job. I listened to the show. Um, so, Gary
did a good job. I didn't think anybody could fill my shoes, but
I was wrong. Yeah, it was fun to I appreciate Gary doing it
on short notice. So I did want to mention quickly that this past past
week I went down to West Virginia for some paranormal investigations and I was in
the Point Pleasant area. And for those UFO enthusiasts, they'll recognize Point Pleasant
as being the location of the infamous Mothman sightings, as popularized in a movie
investigated by John Keel. So I got to go to the museum. I
saw the statue. I know you've been there. Yes, it's a it's
actually a quaint, little all American town with a one way main street.
I mean, very cool in terms of just going to see this little place.
But did on Mothman a side. Of course, they had a gift
shop. I had to buy books, right, but they had my favorite
book of all, Mothman Goes to School. So I had to get it
from my little my six year old to read Mothman goes to School. I
can't believe that somebody even wrote that. Yeah, I gotta start him,
I gotta start him early. Oh, but I know you have some relevant
news too, Yes, So for those listening live it is November fourteenth.
Those listening via podcast, if you're doing it around this time, just be
aware that I've gotten several UFO reports in the last two weeks and I've posted
them and more people have said, waite, I saw something too, have
a straw New windsor somebody took video and New windsor Sea Burns has some people
who are trying to analyze the video. But again it was taken with a
cell phone. But this was broad daylight, and everybody says, why aren't
there more pictures? Well, it's a you know, new cell phone.
Great technology for a cell phone, but still aerial objects. You zoom in
and you get kind of a pixelated blah, but still it was a very
seemed to be a very large, silent object kind of floating by. Um.
Somebody else saw something, um the have a straw sighting was half like
an upside down bowl. Somebody else saw something, UM that looked like a
bright light. Again this I believe it was in daylight and something detaching from
it and coming down. UM. So it's been a very interesting couple of
weeks here. So everybody that's fascinating that. That is fascinating. UM.
I wonder why the sudden uptick in sightings. I mean, you know,
if we had the answers, maybe our guest has an answer here that is
true. Yeah, I pulled that out. Well. We are very fortunate
to have Jerry Arena, who is actually appears in my book for an APPRO
case. He worked on UM. For those of you not familiar with APPRO,
I think that was a great organization did great work. Started in fifty
two with Jim and Carl Lorenz in the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. They put
out a good newsletter and our guest, Jerry Arena, was an APPRO member
doing research on the famous Hudson Valley wave in eighty three and eighty four,
and welcome Jerry to the show. Thank you, welcome Jerry. So so
uh you can you know we have free reign here. We can do this
anyway you want. Do you want to talk about how you got interested in
this and joined appro Sure, well how I joined April, or just how
you got interest at all? Was that was my father's informance back in the
sixties. He's an Air Force pilot and he had his own sighting and actually
chased the UFO, And there was a documentary and I think it was called
us Post put out by the Air Force, I believe, and I remember
talking to him about it and I asked him, as a dad, you
know what do you think these things aren't without hesitation extra for us? He
said, we have nothing that can come close to the performance of these objects,
not even close. And he said, I don't care what the scientists
say. Let's just to process of elimination, not us, not the Russians,
not the Germans, got to be off planets. That was his theory
on it. And I spoke him many years later about it, back in
the nineties, and he said I don't understand why this is kept a secret
all these decades. He said it should be out. What's the big deal?
What year was his sighting hit? Well, he was late forties in
the United States, casually chased a monk with a wingman in the United States.
I don't know exactly where it was, he told me many minute years
ago. But when they landed, they were degree and we're told that they
were chasing the planet Enis. So everybody got a shuckle out of that.
My father he started to question his commanding officer and was told quite abruptly,
it's not over to discussion. Those are your orders. Anybody asked you,
guys made a mistake? It was venis. Wow. Yeah, because Navy,
I mean, Air Force pilots are known for mistaking planetary bodies for aircraft.
Unbelievable, So that must have made an impression on you. And also,
I mean, this is I'm just going off on a tangents. Also,
as we saw a movie that involved ghosts, and I remember being open
minded about that as well. He was open minded to all of this stuff.
It was great. It was very bright man. He uh. He
was a major in the Air Force. He was enrolled at NYU was sixteen.
He was going to be a Narican. Okay, had to be smart,
very smart. I wish I had his brain, but I didn't.
Different brains, so I'm sure you got something of them. I'm sorry,
I'm sure you got some of them. No, but not Now how did
your How did your mom handle this? Was she open about it? Uh?
She really had. I think she just thought the whole thing was goofy
and silly. She never really paid much attention to it. But we,
my father and I would have serious conversations about it. That was the role
reciting on the news. We talked about it, and then everybody's favorite Bill
class and he would pop off, you know, saying that it was some
ludicrous thing, you know, flying birds and mirrors on their bellies reflecting the
street lights, you know, had anything he could come up with. And
then he would go through quinness. He kicked his dog, you know,
he hates his mother, you know, all the stuff. So so my
father would just say, you can't, you can't pay attention to somebody like
that. He doesn't have a fluid. And then my father was I think
he was stationed in Ohio at the time, and he was a supervisor on
that particular basement night and the phone lines were flooded, would calls from civilians
seeing these lights in the sky. He never saw the lights actually in the
sky, but he saw them on read our skills and he said people were
freaking asks. They would flying all over the plays hovering. You know,
this was probably somewhere in the earth. Early fifties, Yeah, wow,
yeah. Ohio's had an awful lot of sightings and some very interesting ones as
well. I gotta live. I gotta tell you about this sighting that I
read about. My father didn't see this, but it involves where I was
born. I was actually born in the face Hostel Mitchellfield, their post face
in Garden City, New York. My father was stationed there, and in
nineteen fifty one I read this in It was Ruppel's book, The Report on
Unidentified Flying Objects, and it took place during the day nineteen fifty one.
A pilot just took off in a jet and he looked down and saw what
looked like the top of the parachute Tennessee. So he radioed the tower and
he after they had any jumpers in the area, and they said no,
And he said, well, I'm seeing this, and you know, he's
watching this thing, and all of a sudden it started to gain altitude and
then it got up to his altitudes. He was circling the field and he
pulled them behind it, and he course he realized at that time it's nobody
hanging from this thing, and it wasn't a balloon because they kept it at
the same distance away from the jet. His check. He said, when
he came up on it, it still looked like a parachute. Candidly,
it was like gunmetal grade, no marketings, no serial numbers of decals,
no wings, no tail windows, no hatches. But somehow it was flying.
And he followed that out in a southerly direction towards the Atlantic Ocean.
When he got over the ocean, the thing took off at tremendous feed and
just must to become Now here's what's interesting. There are a lot of people
on the ground at an ample space. I mean, it's physics between drills
and you know, all the things they do. Not one person saw this
thing fly in from anywhere, So it just kind of was like appeared out
of nowhere and it was just there and the guatalented to it. It wasn't
on radar, so I'm thinking, you know, this is a theory cloaking,
some kind of bloking the bike. It just and this is the report
many times that you know, they just turn your head, you look back,
and then sitting there and nobody saw the things fly in. Now that's
a busy that was a very busy face. Nobody saw anything on the ground.
They didn't see this thing in the sky coming in, So I thought
that was inc Yeah, well this reminds well, it reminds me of a
lot of cases. But when you're saying when nobody sees them come in,
we see that a lot nobody sees them leave. Um the Irene lun case
you worked on um, which we can get to after we talk about how
you got to Apro. But she saw two craft and one of them just
disappeared. So what you know, You're looking at something enormous, very close,
and it's just gone, Yeah, remarkable, But I never know,
maybe you have. I never heard of the UF vote in that shape before.
That looked like the top of the parishue Keennessey. This is the old
ones around one. I've never heard of that since any time said it looked
like that he said. Even when he pulled up behind it, he got
pretty close with one hundred hundred two hundred teeth, he said, it still
looked like a parachute. Kennethy, Wow, that's odd, extremely Yeah,
it's like and then to look at it, and then he said, people
were saying I was a BALLOONA look, he said, if it was a
balloon, he would have passed right by it immediately, you know, it
would have been standing still, I mean in a jet. And it kept
it. It kept a certain distance away from this jet the whole time in
front of him. Yeah, you know, it commended to speed. So
I just thought that was an amazing case, the fact that nobody on the
ground saw this thing fly in from anyway. It wasn't hovering any places,
you know, the sky or so. I don't know. I just thought
that's interesting. Well, I suspect it was the planet Venus. Yeah,
well you know, did you know that the planet Venus? And this is
all in any of the books you read on astronomy. It's also it's nickname
is the Pranctice Planets because it plays games like yet everybody that's right, yep,
everybody knows that. I think they I think they said that about Jimmy
Carter's siding too when he was governor in Georgia. I think they said it
was Venis and I think he said something to the effect that I didn't know
planets could do that, dilt. He said, I'll have to look astronomy
do what's going on. The excuses um are just just insulting and ridiculous um.
And it's been going on and people will will buy it, that's the
sad part. Yes, well, if the government's telling us. Over the
years, I've read some absolutely ludicrous explanations that I mean so far bet that
it's more incredible than the signing itself, right right, particularly and then happened
to space. So he was a champion of though did he come up with
It was a terrible of things he would come up with, Oh, Phil
class, Yeah, oh yeah. They wrote things at the TV when he
was on. He would never once admit there was a UFO. He would
say, I could shoot holes in any uf I don't care if it's an
astronaut, I don't care if it's a test pilot. I don't care who
it is. There's nothing to this. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't
it class who said, uh, you know that pilots and astronaut reports were
no better than the average persons. Really, that people who our train you
know, whose lives and millions of dollars equipment depend upon their ability to observe
and react and analyze. But they're no better than you know, yeah,
the training that those pilots go through, I mean just to get into light
school, you know, it's very difficult. There's a high washout race many
people gradually, so you got to be special. And to say that they're
you know, no better than man in the street, woman in the streets,
or you know whatever person in the streets, it's ridiculous. I mean,
he's a really training deserves Yeah. So, oh yeah, I was
gonna say how I got into appro was find an accident. I used to
listen to the Joel Martin Show, which originated from w BAV radio station Almo
and your Frank Chris knows all about it, you know, the market show,
And there was a gentleman on there. His name is Dick Rule,
and he was the lead investigator for approl in the New York Harry. So
I used to listen to the shows all the time, and I just decided
to give him a call. I called him at home, introduced myself,
and I said I wanted to join. And that's how I got into April
and I went within a few days, I went with him to do a
presentation. I assisted, and we became with friends. And then that's how
I got involved with April. And then next thing you know, we're going
to the Hudson Valle. Oh well, why don't we take our first break,
Brian, And when we come back, we will dive into our favorite
topic, Mike, the Hudson Valley Wave. Yes, well, all right,
we'll be right back. Hudson River Radio dot Com a subsidiary of Glacier
Entertainment called LC blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. And we are
act and you know, I'm really interested in all the different the shapes this,
you know, parachute type of shape. And of course, for those
that might have missed it, how planet Venus can leave its orbit and really
mess with pilots and pretend to be all over the place. I mean,
I never learned that in school, but I know we've talked about it on
this show. We've beat it probably to the proverbial, you know, dead
horse. But how insulting it is to tell highly qualified witnesses that they don't
know what the planet Venus looks like. Um, you know, to go
after their credibility at that type of a level, it's just insulting. Listen,
if you want to dismiss it, you know, that's one thing.
But you know that's almost like a character assassination to say that to someone that
oh it is, I think, and that's wrong. So all right,
so Sherry, you were, uh, you talked to Dick Rule, who
did some very good work, wrote good reports. And next thing, you
know, there's this little thing called the Hudson Valley Wave of Sightings. And
how did you, Linda. I was on my way home from work and
I had the radio one and the news was on and they was saying,
there was you bone mania going on in the Hudson Valley, and you know,
they had witnesses on. They was, you know, giving little sound
bites things that they saw. And I got home. As soon as I
got home, my phone rang and it was Dick Rule and said we're going
up this Saturday to interview witnesses. I said, old man, this is
this is like to me, there's nothing better than being face to face work.
It's one thing to read about accounting a book or see on TV or
whatever. And I'll tell you that was such an exciting time for me to
see these Number one, the intelligence of these people, how it affected their
lives. And he could see the emotions, you know, you could see
it on their faces, their body language. This wasn't like, oh,
this is so much fun, Dade. We saw a spaceship. Now a
lot of them were were scared. They were really upset at what they saw
because they didn't know what it was. But the sincerity came across really strong.
And we went to this taxi owner's stand and to interview the owner and
we got the sun. So we introduced ourselves and so WHI Dad, and
he pointed in the direction that guy was all the way on the other side
of the parking mine. I said, what is he doing there? Well,
he's afraid to talk to you. God, he's afraid you're gonna laugh
at him. And I said, no, no, tell him to come
over. Come on. You know, we explained to him, we're not
we're not here to judge. We hit across information. We want to hear
all signing, no one's gonna laugh at you, no one's gonna river.
But I mean he was like, that's why a lot of people don't report
them. Figure they're going to get rid of to Yeah. Absolutely. So
what was the first case you worked on? Then? What was observed?
The first meeting we had was with the mayor of Montisco on a Saturday.
She actually invited us to her office and town hall was right next to the
police department, and she said they were having a town hall meeting when a
police officer came in all excited and tell everybody to come outside and see this
thing in the sky, and it was yeo. And so she said she
saw the thing from the back and I said, what do you think?
She said, it was no way with an air pres This was no airplane.
It's a multiple lights. It was lit up like the city. It
didn't make it sound it was huge. And she said from the back,
it just looked like this giant b that's the impression she got from there.
But she said it was quite a lot of witnesses there at the town hall
meeting. YEA. Then we interviewed the officers and there were quite a number
of them, and they explained what they saw the same thing. It was
not the pilot. They saw the pilots. They saw those guys that you
could easily differentiate between the UFO and the pilot. You know, six aircraft
lying into Amazon always a lunge. I mean, we were off in the
distance, you're going to hear them, and you could watch them bouncing up
and down because of the wind currents. It's not one solid peace, So
that that was great. They also showed us the best viewing places, the
highest places where we could do within that area. Because what we did was
we hung out to about one o'plox to morning and waiting for the object to
show up, because you know, they did see you know, we went
in numerous ponds and we waited and waited. I thought, this is it
to me, I'm finally going to get to see one of these things,
and it just didn't happen. It did not have potentially come on. I
mean, all these people saying this, I gotta see it. So then
came the But then we met Irene one at the conference and that's a funny
story because we went up to her to talk to her and she had her
hands on her hips very defiant. She said, I hope you guys don't
think you're gonna tell me. I saw planes information and her husband was standing
behind a latter. I know what I looked at. I know what I
saw. This was both planes in formation. This was from the huge objects,
say no noise, you know, the unusual covered of mic Well,
that's how we met Irene and she invited us to her own number of times
and she had some interesting sides. That conference was great though. That US
conference was amazing. John Keel was there on the panel. Phil and Broad
now hieing it. John key Fuller, you know who he is. He
was there and people just all day long, for many many hours, just
came up with microphone and they identified who they were, but they did for
a living, and they talked about this side and it was amazing. They
were running two videos all day. One was of the pilots information. The
other one was that the author Zvola was that his name is yeah it was,
and that was supposed to be of the U phone. That's oh,
you know who else would say? Larry warren't of old people from Rendel him
bars. That's the first I ever heard about Rendall him pars and I said,
this guy spoke investing little aliens in the woods, both conser crazy though
I've never heard of it before. And then a short time after that they
had the whole memo. So that's kind of that was interesting. But that
was a great conference. And kinda kept saying he did not understand why the
government seemed to show no interest at all in the UEF books. He said
he just couldn't believe it because this is going on for a loan on.
You know, you think about this. The amount of time was three four
years maybe something like that. Right over period of that period of time,
it was showing up almost on a weekly basis. This is what we were
told. Yeah, so low, enormous, no sound, and incredible witnesses.
Yeah. And he said where are they? They know where to be
found. So the theory was all they must know what it is. That
was the series, whatever that was. Maybe maybe it's one of theirs,
but it made no sense. We talked about this. I have no way
so I believe that that was the top Superla flying. That role was densely
populated. They just don't do that, h you know, you think about
it. That thing had crashed, man, something that side coming down.
Yeah, and it was hovering over you know, crowded highways and populated areas,
and there were so many different versions. Mike, you and I have
talked about that. Where would you physically put you know, thirty seven different
versions of a craft the size of a football field or larger. If it
was one type, I think that that excuse could be more viable, you
know, if it's one specific shape and size, but there's far too many,
it would be impossible. Yeah. The the Irene Lund sighting, which
for those who were interested in have my new book. It's on page one
forty six. She was a great witness and she came upon, she came
across, as you know, no nonsense, this is what I saw.
But she saw a triangular craft with a rectangular part coming off of it,
which was very unusual. And she also saw a rectangular craft, which that's
a very early rectangular craft. This was August eighty four in Mayo, pack
and UM excellent sketches were produced with that and really the whole, the whole
aperro report on that UM I thought was very well done. Yeah, very
believable. I mean, the witnesses and none of these witnesses for kids you
know, like young kids or something. You know, it's not that you
know. Some of them could he was a witnesses, but these are all
adults. I mean, no reason to be thank enough stories, you know,
and people had their jobs. They were intelligent, well spoken and very
sincere. I remember there was a commercial pilot was at the conference and he
told this story. Became in close, close encounter with this thing and he
said the same thing. No way that I know the pilots, I know
the planes that formation, amos. This was no planes and formation because the
thing was enormous. And I had a very interesting conversation Linda with Barry Greenwood,
who was one of the offs a clear in tent outside on a break.
He told me a fascinating story when he was living in Massachusetts, well
left where he was from. He was outside one day and he observed a
disc shaped craft come down hover over a power line. Out of the bottom
of the craft king would looked like a metal tube of some kind and attached
to the power line for a period of a short period of time I don't
know how long, but he said, this is a broad daylight, no
mistaken what it was. And then it retracted. This too and then it
just took off. That was it. This would have been in the sixties
they saw it. So like I said to my debunker friends, I said,
somebody is building these things, and so we find him. This isn't
a light in the sky and a daylight disc signing like the like the parachute
one. I mean, come on, somebody built that, right, These
these are physical, physical objects objects, So yeah, how could people say
there's nothing to it? But I would think that if any power had that
technology, they would involving them off the assembliments, using them the whole war.
Right, Oh, absolutely, yeah. I mean not too many countries
of the world with that kind of technology would have the restraint to not use
it. Yeah, but I would think we'd be seeing I think the Skuys
would be double with them if they had if they had that kind of a
you know, just to see a disc shaped craft. I mean it had
that ability of why those things around. I think we'd be seeing a lot
of them over the decades. Yeah, and with the with the Hudson Valley
wave where forty years out now, so where is that technology? Where is
that massive silent triangle how ring technology? Now? Isn't it true? Lended
that, well, this is what I read, and I think it was
night Siege about the the object that hovered all the Indian Point. They said
that it was too three times besides of the football, it was larger than
the standard one. So it kind of I got the impression that they were
trying to say there was more than more crept that you heard more than one.
Well, it was an enormous craft. I remember them saying, Um,
I apparently this was filmed that you had to pan the camera back and
forth in the sky because this object took up so much of the sky.
So yes, this was not a standard size aircraft. It was enormous and
and I always go back to this one woman in the Danbury area, I
believe it was the Hudson Valley Wave said the craft was so enormous and low
the entire sky was metal and lights. Wow, And I think that really
sums it up. Um. I do want to touch on the Stormville Flyers,
unfortunately, the hoaxing pilots, because you did have some contact with them.
No, I didn't. I didn't know you didn't. I didn't go
with the guys that Saturday. Okay. Uh. He had the encounter with
them where he was trying to get the serial numbers of the planes and one
of the pilots was shining a spotlight in his eyes, trying to blind him,
so he couldn't get the numbers right. They did not want to be
They saw the three guys, the other three investigators. They saw first they
saw three playing flying together, and then the other three joined them. But
from a distance, you know, you could see the three planes joint.
You know, you could see it wasn't my peace. And they said it
was bob that the lights of bobbing up the now because of the wind,
and you couldn't people really super tight formation and then you can hear the engines.
So they followed them and the Slanville airports and they waited for them.
And that's what they had heard. They were flying at a swan boom.
They did land there. Now, now you had heard at the time that
perhaps they were being paid. Yes, that's well that's what I heard.
I mean, I don't you know, I can't verify him right right,
you know, um that they were paid by one of the government agencies.
And you know it's interesting, Linda, because we were getting these stories on
the alland as soon as the thing came out that it was the pilot that
was it, but the media it was done, never heard from it again
and everybody had seed is nothing to it. Planes, It's just a bunch
of jokes. There's the other people. They must be hallucinating or drinking heavily.
Yeah, and they just wrote it off and nobody cared it. It
was even in a magazine too, I remember which one, Yes it was,
there was a big, big article on that saying how that explained everything.
It was a brilliant disinformation campaign, highly effective. I mean to this
day, Mike right, we're hearing people whoa who was the pilots? What
are you? You know, what are you researching it for? Right?
If you're looking to discredit not just the already cited, you know, reports
that had been made, but also any future reports, it's a great way
to do it. You're putting out a very credible story. Here they are,
they're pilots, is what they did. And to me, it's almost
you know, reminds me being in law enforcement. You know, the fruits
of the poisonous tree. When you do illegal searches. Everything from that search
is no good. That's basically what they did. Here like, oh,
well, you know these pilots did this, so that therefore everything is no
good. They're all not legitimate sightings. Um So basically, one broad stroke
they made it all go away. And that's unfortunate because clearly there's a lot
more to the Hudson Valley Wave than a bunch of you know, airplanes information.
Yes, So, Jerry, what was what was the most memorable or
impactful case you investigated? What really made the biggest impression. I would have
to say my interview, our interviews with the police that you know, these
guys are trained observers, and we interviewed a lot of them, and we
were blown away by the stories. I mean, it was just made such
an impact on us. So I think even really responsible human things, you
responsible jobs, and I'm making up these stories and they know and these guys
aren't living in a cave. I know what airplanes are. You know,
we can't six plain flying in formation. So that and of course I remon
her case was, Yeah, that was really fascinating as well. But I
think Linda, the problem is we were at such a disadvantage because of our
location. It was an hour and a half two hours to play, so
we missed out on a lie and from what I read in nineteen saturday was
not the best time to see the objects. I think it was during the
week. So we missed out, and we missed out on interviewing a lot
of witnesses, and you know, maybe even seeing the object. But we
couldn't come up there, and we don't have jobs. That was the problem.
So it's too better. Was so far away, and it's too better
it didn't visit us online because I know I would have been out there every
night with a camera, which brings me to the next question. Five thousand
witnesses and I don't see but what one or two? Is a video of
one photo? Maybe? And Chris Barnes said the same thing he asked me
about it. I've been wondering about this the decade. I know that's not
an impoverished area. Nobody's walking around and swungs. And we wish we did
a port a camera. Oh, we gotta get a fight to eat.
People have cameras. My parents, when I was a kid, we had
a movie camera. We had we had a polaroid camera, we had a
instematic. How could five thousand witnesses and this should be dozen I's not hundreds
of photos. I don't. Could you explain that? I don't understand it.
No, I really can't. A lot of people though, were driving
and wouldn't have had a camera with them. M And many people I've spoken
to they said, you know, I had a camera in the house,
but I didn't want to take my eyes off it. I was afraid,
and those who ran inside to get the camera came out and it was gone.
Um. So I don't mean to interrupt you, but I'm glad you
brought that up because that was a common theme and a lot of people in
their reports they were mesmerized, like they didn't want to disengage from what they
were seeing to get a camera. Um. And like you said, if
they did, then they would come out and it would be gone. So
yeah. And I also suspect there's possibly photos or even eight millimeter movie out
there that people their grandfathers may have taken and it's in a box in a
closet with all the family Christmases and vacations and they don't even know it's on
it. Yeah. Yeah, And and I, um, you know,
one of my sightings, the one um over the lake with the three objects
coming together. I had a fairly decent thirty five millimeter camera then, and
you know I had taken photography classes, so I knew what I was doing,
and none of my photos came out. You know, it's at night,
and yeah, at night. It was three yellowish white lights that came
together in this blue green flash, and as it became one object, three
objects became one object and lowered onto the top of this hill in Harriman State
Park. There were several of us who witnessed it, and I tried.
I tried to, you know, I wasn't that far away, and just
absolutely nothing came out. So, yeah, Mike, I my fingers crossed
that someday somebody says, you know, I found this box of photos.
Looks like UFOs. It would be nice, right, And I think the
big problem too, was a lot of these cameras probably were the point and
shoot was at one ten film. I remember that was a big The cassettes,
right, they weren't great, The steeds weren't weren't designed for low light,
and so even if people probably took a picture, you know, they
probably just got dark masses or low detail because they just didn't have the equipment,
the technology to do so, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. There's
a daylight one out there there that would that would be wonderful. I think
we need to take Yes, we need to take a second break, Brian,
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app Bro and Linda. Jerry, Jerry, I think you're going to relate
to us an interesting story about your brother, Ye sighting. I'm looking forward
to this Okay time frame nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight, and it was
in rural Georgia, Okay, where my brother was living at the time.
Mary. He's in the car with his wife and heading the in laws.
It was at night, and it came to there was a space between trees.
It was a clearing, and he looked off in the distance and he
saw but looked like two very large orange colored lights. And he says,
that's unusual. Now, my brother has a private pilot's license and he's owned
airplane, so he knows airplane inside of that, I mean, he knows
everything. It's like a historian. So he said to his wife, that's
really strange. You know. He couldn't believe what it was. So they
continued and this he was obscured by these trees. And then it came to
another player. Now this thing is much closer, and he says, I
wouldn't repeat what he said. He pulled over and he said, this is
not an airplane. The thing was huge. The lights were enormous. Nobody
flies with orange flights, two big ones on the front. So he got
out of the car and waited for his approach slowly, and it was a
boomerang shape craft. Underneath, on the bottom of the craft there were white
lights in the shape of a cross, and at the end the end were
two lights, red lights. And it sat over the road. I don't
know five hundred stay six hundred states hard to judge altitude at night anyway,
but it was just hanging there and then it slowly turned on its access to
go on another direction. So I asked him any noise. He said,
yes, Now this is unusual, he said, the lowest note on a
bass guitar. Because my brother also plays guitar. He said, that's what
it sounded like. It's just deep, deep, rumbling sound. So with
that, all of a sudden, his wife says, we's go over there.
And he looks and there's these white lights zipping around the sky, a
tremendous feed, eight nine ten of them. They didn't make any noise.
Well, he could see the white lights and the round lights separate from the
craft. From the bigma. They put on an aerial show. Only the
cows and the chickens could see, because you know, in the middle of
palm country. But this went on for about fifteen to twenty minutes. Wow,
old time. My sister in law was in the cart screaming and him
to get back in the cart. She said, this object was so low
she didn't know what was going to happen. She was spetrified. Prior to
that, she used to laugh at you with ohs a joke, you know,
the people are idiots and visual stuff. She could not believe what she
was looking at it, and she was frightened. So they observed these objects.
Finally they joined us with the big object. They gathered around it and
my brother said, it went straight up, but in an arc. And
it went gone like in two seconds, straight up. That was it.
Did the white lights go in the boomerang or just around it, you know,
like kind of like you know, accompanying the thing, And they just
went straight up. And but he said the thing was it was in an
arc the way it went up. And I said, anybody else on this
on the road and said no, because this road. He took me on
this road talking about the middle of Palm country and nine o'clock at night,
there's nobody. Notice, there's no traffics, you know it, there's nobody
there. You'll see a couple of deers, you know, that kind of
thing, but they've watched it. Then they drove to the in laws and
they told them. First thing. They said, my dentist of my system
was a dentist. Oh you guys must have been sniffing the night rous imagine
this. They wouldn't even believe their own daughter. Nope, no, come
on and no such a thing. And you know the problem laws with their
and you know, come on stuff. I was just airplane. It gets
it gets better. And the way to hear you're gonna laugh to you.
I know you've heard this, uh ludicrous explanation before. So he tells my
flaws and of course my volitable reason. He says, I got an idea.
I know this guy's an Air Force clist. Here here's a SUMMU give
him a call and tell him what you saw. So you think so my
brother just laid the whole thing after us like I did to you. You
know what, the guy says, I know what it is a refueling mission.
And my brother said, what you didn't hear one word? I said,
yeah, goes, it's easy to missus da. So my brother hung
up. He was curious. Yeah that was in venus. Yeah, that's
true. Yeah, venus got to break that time. Yeah, feelings,
you know, it's crying all the time. The planet gets fixed on them.
But I asked my sister in law and my brother separately to draw this
object, and they they did a great job of sketching the data. It's
very, very similar. But I'm fascinated by the white white cross of lightness.
Did you ever hear anything like that? I have. I have heard
of cross shaped pattern of lights on the bottom of um, several different types
of craft. Yes, oh you have okay, yeah, yeah, um,
that was the first I've ever heard. But very interesting the way you
described the bass note yeah kind of sound. It was a rumbling sound.
He said it was very low, though very deep. It wasn't very loud.
And he said the thing just sat there. And I said, well,
how would you compare it inside to say, at seven forty seven?
Oh, I said, to seven forty seven to be a toy. Next
wow, breaths taking inside, And my system in law said that she was
freaking out. He said, I was never so scared in my life.
And now I'm a believer, of course, and I don't know what the
hell that thing was what those objects were. But they were hovering, zig
zagging, all kinds of pattern stop going. It's just like my brother was
watching them span, you know, from one side of the sky the other,
and he said, but what are they what are they trying to accomplish?
You know, he was trying to you know, from an aircraft point
of you. I don't understand these maneuvers. What are the right And then
when they left in the ark going straight up that blueom play, he didn't
know what he said, he didn't know what connected it, and he said,
somebody's gonna have to show me, proved to me that this is not
from the's clients. It's because I believe that it's not. We don't have
anything to do. And that was an eighty eight, eighty seven, eighty
eight, and right around at the same time, it may have been the
same year, there was a UFO conference out of the east under Long Island.
John Kiel was there, Joel Mark was there, and people on the
east end were seeing a lot of large objects. I never did see anything
because I didn't hang out there, but that was an hour and a half
away from where living. But they were coming up to the mic and talking
about these sightings, and again intelligent people, well spoken, and they spoke
about these objects, and a lot of them were seeing over the ocean covering
and then zipping back and forth, making all kinds of crazy turns and ubers.
Somebody got a video one of them. I did see the video which
all you solve our lights, you know in some really didn't make it any
details, too far a play, but you know, I thought that was
interesting too. And Kiel, you know, he got up and did his
feel about it, because you know, he doesn't believe that ec He called
them ultra to resties. He said they are cosmic jobers. Isn't part of
this planet since the beginning of time, and they just here to mess with
us. That's that was the series, because that's what we need to be
messed with. We don't have enough problem. We're doing a pretty we're doing
a pretty good job here on our own. All said, there's not a
lot of good TV programs on, so we gotta have some kind of entertain
objects come down and mess with. But I just thought, you know that
the timing of that too, because you know, and my brother has never
seen anything since. Did they formally report it to anyone? Nod. And
do those sketches still exist? They're going to get laugh the right, I'm
tired of this, you know, crap, you you know this clown is
telling me, you know, I misidentified a refueling mission like I'm a video.
Yeah. And and do the sketches they made still exist? That's a
good question. I would love to see them if if you can find out
yeah, oh I could ask them. Sure. But I thought that was
an amazing you know, the duration, that's extremely rare to get it signed.
Yeah, that who low like that? Right? Did you want to
read the book the incident at Exeter? I didn't read the book, No,
but I read a lot about it, Yes, yes, which was
also called a refueling Yeah, that was the excuse, that was mcgaha he
he ha ha that said that. That's yeah, James, my god,
right when I read that, I was still off my chair. But I
I just recently reread that book, and if anybody hasn't read it, they
should read it because that UFO was the strangest behaving object that I've ever heard
of. Dive Bombing people on the street, dive bombing people driving in cars,
following people involves hovering ten feet above your car and crazy stuff crazy,
And I said, what the heck is this all about? I don't understand
it. And then the two police officers who were there for that they called
the incident. That's actually incident, and the surrounding towns as well. Those
two police officers. That one police officers got so scared it was it was
coming at him aggressively. Then he actually drew his gun. I mean,
as you know what he said, it was the signs of a two story
house, and yeah, what kind of craziness is this? So I'm thinking
either the pilot was drunk or was the training. Yeah, that is an
amazing store. A couple of years ago, I actually went to the air
area where it happened because I wanted to be able to visualize, you know,
and from where they were standing and where the object was there. You
know, come on, there's no mistaking um. And they were I think
the police officers were both veterans and refueling missions. Okay, we did do
that, so you're not going to fool this guy that there was a refueling
mission going ten foot over the top of a car. Uh oh, and
Phil's class I remember what he said. It was Mars Mars was low on
the horizon. It looked like covering over the trees. Yes, we all
signings there, hundreds of people. That was going on months before the actual
incident happened, and I think it was and George Bullard went there. He
actually saw the objects. He saw the object being chased like the jets,
and it looked like a glowing r in the reddish ball, That's what he
said. It looked huh. And the people used to gather at the transmission
lines. There's not regular power lines. These are the big ones that are
attached like towers. And this thing would show up almost every week and it
would hover over the transmission line to the spide of it and smow. It
was moved at a very small rate of people. I don't know. There's
another one where nobody took any picture. It's not one photograph that I've ever
heard of, No, not that I know of either. Well, the
police officers said that the entire area was bathed in this red glow because the
grass looked like I was gone fire and he was afraid that they were going
to get radiation. Barnes and huge red lights on the front of the no
aircraft while it was just and it you know, it used to visit a
t's Air Force space and it messed with them over there too. Actually landed
at the end of the running. Oh that I never heard that either.
Yeah, And they sent the fire trucks out because they saw this glowing red
ball of light and they thought there was a fire and they got there and
the thing just shot away. As I'm the seat, but you used to
go there and hover would just hang out and like you know, they would
come out. What the heck is that they never do they chase as the
jets would chase it, but they never could get close. The behavior is
what that me. I mean, zig zagging motions, stop and go,
stop and go, and you know, very erratic moves and and just what
your brothers saw with just turn like turning on a turntable. Yeah, like
that movement. Right. Yeah, these these craft didn't bank in turn.
Usually they just abruptly shifted position and went in different direction or started you know,
heading north and suddenly they're going east. You know, ninety degree turns,
which that bluemola, he said, he or if you have to bank
to turn, yeah, thing did. In fact, it just sat there
and just fun around slow the turn table, you know, that's like that's
that's definitely a description. And he said it's slowly turned and went in another
direction and never moved quickly until the very end when when they all left the
earth and that was it and nobody else reported it. There was nothing.
He didn't meet anybody else, nothing fun on the news of local papers.
Like I said. That was in a very rural area. Nine o'clock at
night. You know, in the winter, nobody's gonna be out, you
know that, thank you know, so you'd be lucky. He was very
lucky to see that. I don't have that kind of oh not yet.
If they called me and told me to come outside, yeah, wait here,
now, I would go out and there'd be nothing there. Right.
Well, somehow we flew through this hour, Mike, Did you have any
quite Christians? No. I think we need a part two though, because
I think you have a lot more that you could talk about, and it's
fascinating. I have a lot of questions that we don't We won't have time
to have a whole list of thing, so you know, maybe we could
get together again everywhere? Right, absolutely, absolutely so, Um, I
really appreciate you coming on the show this you know good someone who was there
on the ground interviewing the witnesses as the Hudson Valley Wave was taking place,
this, uh is wonderful. Um, I thought, I'm in the middle
of this when this is happening. I said, this is just too good
to be true. I said, there's no way I'm not going to see
this thing. Because usually you're about it after the fact, and even as
you know these things are pleading, you know, you see, you see
them for a second or two or a minute and gone and never show up
again. But this just kept coming back over and over over again. You
have have any series of why that area, anything about that Whatever it is
that is attracting them here has been doing it for generations. You know.
I documented all kinds of sightings from nineteen o nine from this area, and
you know, sporadic other sightings in the eighteen hundreds, So it's not anything
new. It's not because they put the Indian Point Nuclear plant that drew attention,
but they were here long long before that. Were any of them comparable
to the decidings and d Green eighty four sparts shape inside They could not in
nineteen o nine. It seemed to be more cylindrical, but it was tough.
It was at night, and what they were seeing were lights on either
end of the craft, some times in the middle large spotlights is it and
the craft would go slowly and the searchlights as if it was if it was
looking for something. Yeah, very interesting. I didn't know when that.
Yes, yeah, there was quite quite a lot of sightings in nineteen o
nine. It was Hudson Valley up through New England up into quebec Um.
You know, so when people skeptics, the phil class type, try to
tell you, oh, it was secret military craft, I'll say, okay,
even if I say yes that we dismissed that, how do you explain
nineteen o nine And they'll be like, a yeah, it kind of falls
apart then. So it's very important to get the whole history of an area
and realize not anyone ridiculous excuse can can take care of one hundred and ten
years of sightings. That's some issue. Wow, that's really amazing that you
bet I didn't grow up there every night. Well, that's one of the
reasons I do what I do, Because I did grow up here. I
did see things, and just about everybody I knew saw things and you know
it's I thought that's the way everything was around you know, everybody grew up
like this. Um but yeah, fortunate to be in this area. So
like most of the times in US around the country, it's just hit them
as you know, it's just you're not looking and all of a sudden is
something you know, right, And those are great witnesses because they're not expecting,
they're not you know, they're going to you know, pick up their
laundry. You know, they're going grocery shopping, they're bringing their kids home
from football practice, and you know, having these experiences. So, um,
yes, we are fortunate here in the Hudson Valley and uh fine books
too, right, Yes, there absolutely and uh still to this day apparently.
Um So next clear night, I will certainly be out there. Um
So, Mike, would you care to bring us out? Yes, thank
you for listening to us here on um UFO headquarters as always on Michael Wharden
and Linda Zimmerman the amazing and thank you Jerry for being our guests. Keep
your eyes to the sky. You never know what you're gonna see. Hudson
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