WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:07.879 Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to 2 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:23.719 UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters and good evening listeners far and wide. I am 3 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:30.679 Michael Wharton back in the saddle this month HIGHLANDA. Hello, how was Iceland? 4 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:35.159 Iceland was amazing? It was incredible. I didn't want to come back. 5 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.079 It wasn't quite Finland, but it was Iceland. Oh boy, that's 6 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:44.039 that's for another show. But Gary, welcome. Thank you. Gary did 7 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:47.479 a great job. I listened to the show. Um, so, Gary 8 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.039 did a good job. I didn't think anybody could fill my shoes, but 9 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:55.399 I was wrong. Yeah, it was fun to I appreciate Gary doing it 10 00:00:55.479 --> 00:01:00.000 on short notice. So I did want to mention quickly that this past past 11 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:06.200 week I went down to West Virginia for some paranormal investigations and I was in 12 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:11.359 the Point Pleasant area. And for those UFO enthusiasts, they'll recognize Point Pleasant 13 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:17.920 as being the location of the infamous Mothman sightings, as popularized in a movie 14 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:22.120 investigated by John Keel. So I got to go to the museum. I 15 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:25.680 saw the statue. I know you've been there. Yes, it's a it's 16 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.760 actually a quaint, little all American town with a one way main street. 17 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:33.200 I mean, very cool in terms of just going to see this little place. 18 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:34.959 But did on Mothman a side. Of course, they had a gift 19 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.439 shop. I had to buy books, right, but they had my favorite 20 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:46.159 book of all, Mothman Goes to School. So I had to get it 21 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:49.959 from my little my six year old to read Mothman goes to School. I 22 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:56.359 can't believe that somebody even wrote that. Yeah, I gotta start him, 23 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:01.120 I gotta start him early. Oh, but I know you have some relevant 24 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:07.560 news too, Yes, So for those listening live it is November fourteenth. 25 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:15.400 Those listening via podcast, if you're doing it around this time, just be 26 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:24.800 aware that I've gotten several UFO reports in the last two weeks and I've posted 27 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.759 them and more people have said, waite, I saw something too, have 28 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:36.240 a straw New windsor somebody took video and New windsor Sea Burns has some people 29 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.280 who are trying to analyze the video. But again it was taken with a 30 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:45.240 cell phone. But this was broad daylight, and everybody says, why aren't 31 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:50.439 there more pictures? Well, it's a you know, new cell phone. 32 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:57.280 Great technology for a cell phone, but still aerial objects. You zoom in 33 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:01.639 and you get kind of a pixelated blah, but still it was a very 34 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:07.599 seemed to be a very large, silent object kind of floating by. Um. 35 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:15.639 Somebody else saw something, um the have a straw sighting was half like 36 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:22.560 an upside down bowl. Somebody else saw something, UM that looked like a 37 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:27.960 bright light. Again this I believe it was in daylight and something detaching from 38 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:34.680 it and coming down. UM. So it's been a very interesting couple of 39 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:40.360 weeks here. So everybody that's fascinating that. That is fascinating. UM. 40 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:46.800 I wonder why the sudden uptick in sightings. I mean, you know, 41 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.159 if we had the answers, maybe our guest has an answer here that is 42 00:03:53.199 --> 00:04:00.599 true. Yeah, I pulled that out. Well. We are very fortunate 43 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:06.599 to have Jerry Arena, who is actually appears in my book for an APPRO 44 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:12.560 case. He worked on UM. For those of you not familiar with APPRO, 45 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.000 I think that was a great organization did great work. Started in fifty 46 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:23.600 two with Jim and Carl Lorenz in the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. They put 47 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:30.519 out a good newsletter and our guest, Jerry Arena, was an APPRO member 48 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:35.720 doing research on the famous Hudson Valley wave in eighty three and eighty four, 49 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:45.600 and welcome Jerry to the show. Thank you, welcome Jerry. So so 50 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:50.199 uh you can you know we have free reign here. We can do this 51 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:57.319 anyway you want. Do you want to talk about how you got interested in 52 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:02.279 this and joined appro Sure, well how I joined April, or just how 53 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:08.199 you got interest at all? Was that was my father's informance back in the 54 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.800 sixties. He's an Air Force pilot and he had his own sighting and actually 55 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:17.399 chased the UFO, And there was a documentary and I think it was called 56 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:20.759 us Post put out by the Air Force, I believe, and I remember 57 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.600 talking to him about it and I asked him, as a dad, you 58 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.000 know what do you think these things aren't without hesitation extra for us? He 59 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:35.319 said, we have nothing that can come close to the performance of these objects, 60 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.639 not even close. And he said, I don't care what the scientists 61 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:44.759 say. Let's just to process of elimination, not us, not the Russians, 62 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.759 not the Germans, got to be off planets. That was his theory 63 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:55.240 on it. And I spoke him many years later about it, back in 64 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.000 the nineties, and he said I don't understand why this is kept a secret 65 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.920 all these decades. He said it should be out. What's the big deal? 66 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:14.319 What year was his sighting hit? Well, he was late forties in 67 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:20.079 the United States, casually chased a monk with a wingman in the United States. 68 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.199 I don't know exactly where it was, he told me many minute years 69 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:30.199 ago. But when they landed, they were degree and we're told that they 70 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:34.319 were chasing the planet Enis. So everybody got a shuckle out of that. 71 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:40.560 My father he started to question his commanding officer and was told quite abruptly, 72 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:46.120 it's not over to discussion. Those are your orders. Anybody asked you, 73 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.959 guys made a mistake? It was venis. Wow. Yeah, because Navy, 74 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:58.199 I mean, Air Force pilots are known for mistaking planetary bodies for aircraft. 75 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:06.720 Unbelievable, So that must have made an impression on you. And also, 76 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.839 I mean, this is I'm just going off on a tangents. Also, 77 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.040 as we saw a movie that involved ghosts, and I remember being open 78 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.279 minded about that as well. He was open minded to all of this stuff. 79 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.439 It was great. It was very bright man. He uh. He 80 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:26.959 was a major in the Air Force. He was enrolled at NYU was sixteen. 81 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.120 He was going to be a Narican. Okay, had to be smart, 82 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:31.120 very smart. I wish I had his brain, but I didn't. 83 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:36.040 Different brains, so I'm sure you got something of them. I'm sorry, 84 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:42.240 I'm sure you got some of them. No, but not Now how did 85 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:47.279 your How did your mom handle this? Was she open about it? Uh? 86 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.639 She really had. I think she just thought the whole thing was goofy 87 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.240 and silly. She never really paid much attention to it. But we, 88 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.079 my father and I would have serious conversations about it. That was the role 89 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:03.480 reciting on the news. We talked about it, and then everybody's favorite Bill 90 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.160 class and he would pop off, you know, saying that it was some 91 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:11.839 ludicrous thing, you know, flying birds and mirrors on their bellies reflecting the 92 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.000 street lights, you know, had anything he could come up with. And 93 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.759 then he would go through quinness. He kicked his dog, you know, 94 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.959 he hates his mother, you know, all the stuff. So so my 95 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.000 father would just say, you can't, you can't pay attention to somebody like 96 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:35.080 that. He doesn't have a fluid. And then my father was I think 97 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.240 he was stationed in Ohio at the time, and he was a supervisor on 98 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:46.320 that particular basement night and the phone lines were flooded, would calls from civilians 99 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.720 seeing these lights in the sky. He never saw the lights actually in the 100 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.480 sky, but he saw them on read our skills and he said people were 101 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.440 freaking asks. They would flying all over the plays hovering. You know, 102 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.759 this was probably somewhere in the earth. Early fifties, Yeah, wow, 103 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.840 yeah. Ohio's had an awful lot of sightings and some very interesting ones as 104 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.600 well. I gotta live. I gotta tell you about this sighting that I 105 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.639 read about. My father didn't see this, but it involves where I was 106 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:18.679 born. I was actually born in the face Hostel Mitchellfield, their post face 107 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.919 in Garden City, New York. My father was stationed there, and in 108 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:28.639 nineteen fifty one I read this in It was Ruppel's book, The Report on 109 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.799 Unidentified Flying Objects, and it took place during the day nineteen fifty one. 110 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:39.759 A pilot just took off in a jet and he looked down and saw what 111 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.519 looked like the top of the parachute Tennessee. So he radioed the tower and 112 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.039 he after they had any jumpers in the area, and they said no, 113 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.559 And he said, well, I'm seeing this, and you know, he's 114 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.720 watching this thing, and all of a sudden it started to gain altitude and 115 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.679 then it got up to his altitudes. He was circling the field and he 116 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.039 pulled them behind it, and he course he realized at that time it's nobody 117 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.360 hanging from this thing, and it wasn't a balloon because they kept it at 118 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.879 the same distance away from the jet. His check. He said, when 119 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.639 he came up on it, it still looked like a parachute. Candidly, 120 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:18.080 it was like gunmetal grade, no marketings, no serial numbers of decals, 121 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.320 no wings, no tail windows, no hatches. But somehow it was flying. 122 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.840 And he followed that out in a southerly direction towards the Atlantic Ocean. 123 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.840 When he got over the ocean, the thing took off at tremendous feed and 124 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:39.240 just must to become Now here's what's interesting. There are a lot of people 125 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.039 on the ground at an ample space. I mean, it's physics between drills 126 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.879 and you know, all the things they do. Not one person saw this 127 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:50.159 thing fly in from anywhere, So it just kind of was like appeared out 128 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.080 of nowhere and it was just there and the guatalented to it. It wasn't 129 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.320 on radar, so I'm thinking, you know, this is a theory cloaking, 130 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.519 some kind of bloking the bike. It just and this is the report 131 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.360 many times that you know, they just turn your head, you look back, 132 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.000 and then sitting there and nobody saw the things fly in. Now that's 133 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.639 a busy that was a very busy face. Nobody saw anything on the ground. 134 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.039 They didn't see this thing in the sky coming in, So I thought 135 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:22.679 that was inc Yeah, well this reminds well, it reminds me of a 136 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.480 lot of cases. But when you're saying when nobody sees them come in, 137 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.080 we see that a lot nobody sees them leave. Um the Irene lun case 138 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:39.159 you worked on um, which we can get to after we talk about how 139 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.840 you got to Apro. But she saw two craft and one of them just 140 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:48.799 disappeared. So what you know, You're looking at something enormous, very close, 141 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:54.360 and it's just gone, Yeah, remarkable, But I never know, 142 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.320 maybe you have. I never heard of the UF vote in that shape before. 143 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.039 That looked like the top of the parishue Keennessey. This is the old 144 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:09.919 ones around one. I've never heard of that since any time said it looked 145 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.799 like that he said. Even when he pulled up behind it, he got 146 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.320 pretty close with one hundred hundred two hundred teeth, he said, it still 147 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:24.080 looked like a parachute. Kennethy, Wow, that's odd, extremely Yeah, 148 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.000 it's like and then to look at it, and then he said, people 149 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.039 were saying I was a BALLOONA look, he said, if it was a 150 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.960 balloon, he would have passed right by it immediately, you know, it 151 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.120 would have been standing still, I mean in a jet. And it kept 152 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.440 it. It kept a certain distance away from this jet the whole time in 153 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:45.240 front of him. Yeah, you know, it commended to speed. So 154 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.440 I just thought that was an amazing case, the fact that nobody on the 155 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.000 ground saw this thing fly in from anyway. It wasn't hovering any places, 156 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.399 you know, the sky or so. I don't know. I just thought 157 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.399 that's interesting. Well, I suspect it was the planet Venus. Yeah, 158 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.600 well you know, did you know that the planet Venus? And this is 159 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.919 all in any of the books you read on astronomy. It's also it's nickname 160 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:16.759 is the Pranctice Planets because it plays games like yet everybody that's right, yep, 161 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.720 everybody knows that. I think they I think they said that about Jimmy 162 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.000 Carter's siding too when he was governor in Georgia. I think they said it 163 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.879 was Venis and I think he said something to the effect that I didn't know 164 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:37.240 planets could do that, dilt. He said, I'll have to look astronomy 165 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:48.159 do what's going on. The excuses um are just just insulting and ridiculous um. 166 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.360 And it's been going on and people will will buy it, that's the 167 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.440 sad part. Yes, well, if the government's telling us. Over the 168 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:03.679 years, I've read some absolutely ludicrous explanations that I mean so far bet that 169 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:09.960 it's more incredible than the signing itself, right right, particularly and then happened 170 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:16.399 to space. So he was a champion of though did he come up with 171 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.399 It was a terrible of things he would come up with, Oh, Phil 172 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.840 class, Yeah, oh yeah. They wrote things at the TV when he 173 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:33.480 was on. He would never once admit there was a UFO. He would 174 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:37.080 say, I could shoot holes in any uf I don't care if it's an 175 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.159 astronaut, I don't care if it's a test pilot. I don't care who 176 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.360 it is. There's nothing to this. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't 177 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:52.759 it class who said, uh, you know that pilots and astronaut reports were 178 00:14:52.840 --> 00:15:00.720 no better than the average persons. Really, that people who our train you 179 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:07.120 know, whose lives and millions of dollars equipment depend upon their ability to observe 180 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.840 and react and analyze. But they're no better than you know, yeah, 181 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:16.240 the training that those pilots go through, I mean just to get into light 182 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:22.799 school, you know, it's very difficult. There's a high washout race many 183 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.879 people gradually, so you got to be special. And to say that they're 184 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:28.440 you know, no better than man in the street, woman in the streets, 185 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.519 or you know whatever person in the streets, it's ridiculous. I mean, 186 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.919 he's a really training deserves Yeah. So, oh yeah, I was 187 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.840 gonna say how I got into appro was find an accident. I used to 188 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:48.879 listen to the Joel Martin Show, which originated from w BAV radio station Almo 189 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:54.159 and your Frank Chris knows all about it, you know, the market show, 190 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.960 And there was a gentleman on there. His name is Dick Rule, 191 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:03.879 and he was the lead investigator for approl in the New York Harry. So 192 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.159 I used to listen to the shows all the time, and I just decided 193 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:08.799 to give him a call. I called him at home, introduced myself, 194 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.639 and I said I wanted to join. And that's how I got into April 195 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.840 and I went within a few days, I went with him to do a 196 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.759 presentation. I assisted, and we became with friends. And then that's how 197 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.480 I got involved with April. And then next thing you know, we're going 198 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:33.480 to the Hudson Valle. Oh well, why don't we take our first break, 199 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.720 Brian, And when we come back, we will dive into our favorite 200 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:42.279 topic, Mike, the Hudson Valley Wave. Yes, well, all right, 201 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:48.559 we'll be right back. Hudson River Radio dot Com a subsidiary of Glacier 202 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:59.799 Entertainment called LC blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. And we are 203 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:06.440 act and you know, I'm really interested in all the different the shapes this, 204 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.839 you know, parachute type of shape. And of course, for those 205 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:15.119 that might have missed it, how planet Venus can leave its orbit and really 206 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.400 mess with pilots and pretend to be all over the place. I mean, 207 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.759 I never learned that in school, but I know we've talked about it on 208 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.799 this show. We've beat it probably to the proverbial, you know, dead 209 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:33.920 horse. But how insulting it is to tell highly qualified witnesses that they don't 210 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:38.200 know what the planet Venus looks like. Um, you know, to go 211 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:44.000 after their credibility at that type of a level, it's just insulting. Listen, 212 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.400 if you want to dismiss it, you know, that's one thing. 213 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.279 But you know that's almost like a character assassination to say that to someone that 214 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.960 oh it is, I think, and that's wrong. So all right, 215 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:03.079 so Sherry, you were, uh, you talked to Dick Rule, who 216 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.480 did some very good work, wrote good reports. And next thing, you 217 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:15.000 know, there's this little thing called the Hudson Valley Wave of Sightings. And 218 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.119 how did you, Linda. I was on my way home from work and 219 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.200 I had the radio one and the news was on and they was saying, 220 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.960 there was you bone mania going on in the Hudson Valley, and you know, 221 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.480 they had witnesses on. They was, you know, giving little sound 222 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:32.519 bites things that they saw. And I got home. As soon as I 223 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.960 got home, my phone rang and it was Dick Rule and said we're going 224 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:41.160 up this Saturday to interview witnesses. I said, old man, this is 225 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:47.079 this is like to me, there's nothing better than being face to face work. 226 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.640 It's one thing to read about accounting a book or see on TV or 227 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:56.279 whatever. And I'll tell you that was such an exciting time for me to 228 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:02.880 see these Number one, the intelligence of these people, how it affected their 229 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.160 lives. And he could see the emotions, you know, you could see 230 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:08.640 it on their faces, their body language. This wasn't like, oh, 231 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:12.079 this is so much fun, Dade. We saw a spaceship. Now a 232 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.319 lot of them were were scared. They were really upset at what they saw 233 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:19.960 because they didn't know what it was. But the sincerity came across really strong. 234 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:27.119 And we went to this taxi owner's stand and to interview the owner and 235 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:32.599 we got the sun. So we introduced ourselves and so WHI Dad, and 236 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.240 he pointed in the direction that guy was all the way on the other side 237 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.119 of the parking mine. I said, what is he doing there? Well, 238 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.200 he's afraid to talk to you. God, he's afraid you're gonna laugh 239 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.559 at him. And I said, no, no, tell him to come 240 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.200 over. Come on. You know, we explained to him, we're not 241 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.160 we're not here to judge. We hit across information. We want to hear 242 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.559 all signing, no one's gonna laugh at you, no one's gonna river. 243 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.480 But I mean he was like, that's why a lot of people don't report 244 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:04.440 them. Figure they're going to get rid of to Yeah. Absolutely. So 245 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.119 what was the first case you worked on? Then? What was observed? 246 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:15.079 The first meeting we had was with the mayor of Montisco on a Saturday. 247 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:21.359 She actually invited us to her office and town hall was right next to the 248 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.440 police department, and she said they were having a town hall meeting when a 249 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.519 police officer came in all excited and tell everybody to come outside and see this 250 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.240 thing in the sky, and it was yeo. And so she said she 251 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.440 saw the thing from the back and I said, what do you think? 252 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.279 She said, it was no way with an air pres This was no airplane. 253 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:47.119 It's a multiple lights. It was lit up like the city. It 254 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:51.160 didn't make it sound it was huge. And she said from the back, 255 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:55.680 it just looked like this giant b that's the impression she got from there. 256 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:59.240 But she said it was quite a lot of witnesses there at the town hall 257 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.480 meeting. YEA. Then we interviewed the officers and there were quite a number 258 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.759 of them, and they explained what they saw the same thing. It was 259 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.480 not the pilot. They saw the pilots. They saw those guys that you 260 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:18.359 could easily differentiate between the UFO and the pilot. You know, six aircraft 261 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:21.799 lying into Amazon always a lunge. I mean, we were off in the 262 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.960 distance, you're going to hear them, and you could watch them bouncing up 263 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:29.559 and down because of the wind currents. It's not one solid peace, So 264 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.519 that that was great. They also showed us the best viewing places, the 265 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.160 highest places where we could do within that area. Because what we did was 266 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.720 we hung out to about one o'plox to morning and waiting for the object to 267 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.519 show up, because you know, they did see you know, we went 268 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:51.000 in numerous ponds and we waited and waited. I thought, this is it 269 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:52.880 to me, I'm finally going to get to see one of these things, 270 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:57.240 and it just didn't happen. It did not have potentially come on. I 271 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:03.039 mean, all these people saying this, I gotta see it. So then 272 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:10.160 came the But then we met Irene one at the conference and that's a funny 273 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:15.960 story because we went up to her to talk to her and she had her 274 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.160 hands on her hips very defiant. She said, I hope you guys don't 275 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:23.240 think you're gonna tell me. I saw planes information and her husband was standing 276 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.680 behind a latter. I know what I looked at. I know what I 277 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.119 saw. This was both planes in formation. This was from the huge objects, 278 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.920 say no noise, you know, the unusual covered of mic Well, 279 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.839 that's how we met Irene and she invited us to her own number of times 280 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:44.160 and she had some interesting sides. That conference was great though. That US 281 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.119 conference was amazing. John Keel was there on the panel. Phil and Broad 282 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:55.079 now hieing it. John key Fuller, you know who he is. He 283 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.480 was there and people just all day long, for many many hours, just 284 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.880 came up with microphone and they identified who they were, but they did for 285 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.279 a living, and they talked about this side and it was amazing. They 286 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:12.240 were running two videos all day. One was of the pilots information. The 287 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:18.720 other one was that the author Zvola was that his name is yeah it was, 288 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:23.039 and that was supposed to be of the U phone. That's oh, 289 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:27.839 you know who else would say? Larry warren't of old people from Rendel him 290 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.599 bars. That's the first I ever heard about Rendall him pars and I said, 291 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:37.359 this guy spoke investing little aliens in the woods, both conser crazy though 292 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.119 I've never heard of it before. And then a short time after that they 293 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.279 had the whole memo. So that's kind of that was interesting. But that 294 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:51.279 was a great conference. And kinda kept saying he did not understand why the 295 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.480 government seemed to show no interest at all in the UEF books. He said 296 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.079 he just couldn't believe it because this is going on for a loan on. 297 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.640 You know, you think about this. The amount of time was three four 298 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.559 years maybe something like that. Right over period of that period of time, 299 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.519 it was showing up almost on a weekly basis. This is what we were 300 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:17.599 told. Yeah, so low, enormous, no sound, and incredible witnesses. 301 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.480 Yeah. And he said where are they? They know where to be 302 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:25.960 found. So the theory was all they must know what it is. That 303 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:33.640 was the series, whatever that was. Maybe maybe it's one of theirs, 304 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.559 but it made no sense. We talked about this. I have no way 305 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:41.720 so I believe that that was the top Superla flying. That role was densely 306 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.119 populated. They just don't do that, h you know, you think about 307 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:51.319 it. That thing had crashed, man, something that side coming down. 308 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:57.480 Yeah, and it was hovering over you know, crowded highways and populated areas, 309 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:02.000 and there were so many different versions. Mike, you and I have 310 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.039 talked about that. Where would you physically put you know, thirty seven different 311 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:14.519 versions of a craft the size of a football field or larger. If it 312 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.759 was one type, I think that that excuse could be more viable, you 313 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.319 know, if it's one specific shape and size, but there's far too many, 314 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.400 it would be impossible. Yeah. The the Irene Lund sighting, which 315 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.319 for those who were interested in have my new book. It's on page one 316 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:37.359 forty six. She was a great witness and she came upon, she came 317 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.799 across, as you know, no nonsense, this is what I saw. 318 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:48.160 But she saw a triangular craft with a rectangular part coming off of it, 319 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:55.359 which was very unusual. And she also saw a rectangular craft, which that's 320 00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:00.279 a very early rectangular craft. This was August eighty four in Mayo, pack 321 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:07.680 and UM excellent sketches were produced with that and really the whole, the whole 322 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:15.759 aperro report on that UM I thought was very well done. Yeah, very 323 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:22.519 believable. I mean, the witnesses and none of these witnesses for kids you 324 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.440 know, like young kids or something. You know, it's not that you 325 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:27.599 know. Some of them could he was a witnesses, but these are all 326 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.240 adults. I mean, no reason to be thank enough stories, you know, 327 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:37.960 and people had their jobs. They were intelligent, well spoken and very 328 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:44.680 sincere. I remember there was a commercial pilot was at the conference and he 329 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.720 told this story. Became in close, close encounter with this thing and he 330 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.720 said the same thing. No way that I know the pilots, I know 331 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.920 the planes that formation, amos. This was no planes and formation because the 332 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:03.480 thing was enormous. And I had a very interesting conversation Linda with Barry Greenwood, 333 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.480 who was one of the offs a clear in tent outside on a break. 334 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:12.720 He told me a fascinating story when he was living in Massachusetts, well 335 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:18.240 left where he was from. He was outside one day and he observed a 336 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:23.920 disc shaped craft come down hover over a power line. Out of the bottom 337 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:30.039 of the craft king would looked like a metal tube of some kind and attached 338 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.079 to the power line for a period of a short period of time I don't 339 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.200 know how long, but he said, this is a broad daylight, no 340 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.319 mistaken what it was. And then it retracted. This too and then it 341 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.079 just took off. That was it. This would have been in the sixties 342 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.119 they saw it. So like I said to my debunker friends, I said, 343 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.200 somebody is building these things, and so we find him. This isn't 344 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.599 a light in the sky and a daylight disc signing like the like the parachute 345 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:06.079 one. I mean, come on, somebody built that, right, These 346 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:12.519 these are physical, physical objects objects, So yeah, how could people say 347 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.039 there's nothing to it? But I would think that if any power had that 348 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.519 technology, they would involving them off the assembliments, using them the whole war. 349 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:27.799 Right, Oh, absolutely, yeah. I mean not too many countries 350 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.519 of the world with that kind of technology would have the restraint to not use 351 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.519 it. Yeah, but I would think we'd be seeing I think the Skuys 352 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.559 would be double with them if they had if they had that kind of a 353 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.400 you know, just to see a disc shaped craft. I mean it had 354 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.079 that ability of why those things around. I think we'd be seeing a lot 355 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:51.319 of them over the decades. Yeah, and with the with the Hudson Valley 356 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:56.960 wave where forty years out now, so where is that technology? Where is 357 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:03.880 that massive silent triangle how ring technology? Now? Isn't it true? Lended 358 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.839 that, well, this is what I read, and I think it was 359 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:15.039 night Siege about the the object that hovered all the Indian Point. They said 360 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:21.200 that it was too three times besides of the football, it was larger than 361 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:26.160 the standard one. So it kind of I got the impression that they were 362 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.759 trying to say there was more than more crept that you heard more than one. 363 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:36.039 Well, it was an enormous craft. I remember them saying, Um, 364 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.519 I apparently this was filmed that you had to pan the camera back and 365 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:47.000 forth in the sky because this object took up so much of the sky. 366 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:52.720 So yes, this was not a standard size aircraft. It was enormous and 367 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:57.519 and I always go back to this one woman in the Danbury area, I 368 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:03.480 believe it was the Hudson Valley Wave said the craft was so enormous and low 369 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:11.240 the entire sky was metal and lights. Wow, And I think that really 370 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:17.440 sums it up. Um. I do want to touch on the Stormville Flyers, 371 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.559 unfortunately, the hoaxing pilots, because you did have some contact with them. 372 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.839 No, I didn't. I didn't know you didn't. I didn't go 373 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.960 with the guys that Saturday. Okay. Uh. He had the encounter with 374 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.880 them where he was trying to get the serial numbers of the planes and one 375 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.880 of the pilots was shining a spotlight in his eyes, trying to blind him, 376 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.279 so he couldn't get the numbers right. They did not want to be 377 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.519 They saw the three guys, the other three investigators. They saw first they 378 00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:56.480 saw three playing flying together, and then the other three joined them. But 379 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.839 from a distance, you know, you could see the three planes joint. 380 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.079 You know, you could see it wasn't my peace. And they said it 381 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.240 was bob that the lights of bobbing up the now because of the wind, 382 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.480 and you couldn't people really super tight formation and then you can hear the engines. 383 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.599 So they followed them and the Slanville airports and they waited for them. 384 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.839 And that's what they had heard. They were flying at a swan boom. 385 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:25.480 They did land there. Now, now you had heard at the time that 386 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.160 perhaps they were being paid. Yes, that's well that's what I heard. 387 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.079 I mean, I don't you know, I can't verify him right right, 388 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.759 you know, um that they were paid by one of the government agencies. 389 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:44.000 And you know it's interesting, Linda, because we were getting these stories on 390 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:48.359 the alland as soon as the thing came out that it was the pilot that 391 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.559 was it, but the media it was done, never heard from it again 392 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.519 and everybody had seed is nothing to it. Planes, It's just a bunch 393 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.559 of jokes. There's the other people. They must be hallucinating or drinking heavily. 394 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.359 Yeah, and they just wrote it off and nobody cared it. It 395 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.519 was even in a magazine too, I remember which one, Yes it was, 396 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:14.039 there was a big, big article on that saying how that explained everything. 397 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:22.119 It was a brilliant disinformation campaign, highly effective. I mean to this 398 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.160 day, Mike right, we're hearing people whoa who was the pilots? What 399 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.079 are you? You know, what are you researching it for? Right? 400 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:36.359 If you're looking to discredit not just the already cited, you know, reports 401 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.599 that had been made, but also any future reports, it's a great way 402 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.720 to do it. You're putting out a very credible story. Here they are, 403 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.119 they're pilots, is what they did. And to me, it's almost 404 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.519 you know, reminds me being in law enforcement. You know, the fruits 405 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.279 of the poisonous tree. When you do illegal searches. Everything from that search 406 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.440 is no good. That's basically what they did. Here like, oh, 407 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.839 well, you know these pilots did this, so that therefore everything is no 408 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:06.119 good. They're all not legitimate sightings. Um So basically, one broad stroke 409 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.640 they made it all go away. And that's unfortunate because clearly there's a lot 410 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.559 more to the Hudson Valley Wave than a bunch of you know, airplanes information. 411 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:23.119 Yes, So, Jerry, what was what was the most memorable or 412 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:30.119 impactful case you investigated? What really made the biggest impression. I would have 413 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.599 to say my interview, our interviews with the police that you know, these 414 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:43.079 guys are trained observers, and we interviewed a lot of them, and we 415 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.160 were blown away by the stories. I mean, it was just made such 416 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.680 an impact on us. So I think even really responsible human things, you 417 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.960 responsible jobs, and I'm making up these stories and they know and these guys 418 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.319 aren't living in a cave. I know what airplanes are. You know, 419 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:04.599 we can't six plain flying in formation. So that and of course I remon 420 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.559 her case was, Yeah, that was really fascinating as well. But I 421 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.400 think Linda, the problem is we were at such a disadvantage because of our 422 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.599 location. It was an hour and a half two hours to play, so 423 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.239 we missed out on a lie and from what I read in nineteen saturday was 424 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:22.960 not the best time to see the objects. I think it was during the 425 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.880 week. So we missed out, and we missed out on interviewing a lot 426 00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:30.880 of witnesses, and you know, maybe even seeing the object. But we 427 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:36.480 couldn't come up there, and we don't have jobs. That was the problem. 428 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.199 So it's too better. Was so far away, and it's too better 429 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.960 it didn't visit us online because I know I would have been out there every 430 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:49.320 night with a camera, which brings me to the next question. Five thousand 431 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.639 witnesses and I don't see but what one or two? Is a video of 432 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:59.239 one photo? Maybe? And Chris Barnes said the same thing he asked me 433 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:04.800 about it. I've been wondering about this the decade. I know that's not 434 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.639 an impoverished area. Nobody's walking around and swungs. And we wish we did 435 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.119 a port a camera. Oh, we gotta get a fight to eat. 436 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.239 People have cameras. My parents, when I was a kid, we had 437 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.639 a movie camera. We had we had a polaroid camera, we had a 438 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:25.039 instematic. How could five thousand witnesses and this should be dozen I's not hundreds 439 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.320 of photos. I don't. Could you explain that? I don't understand it. 440 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.000 No, I really can't. A lot of people though, were driving 441 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:40.840 and wouldn't have had a camera with them. M And many people I've spoken 442 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.599 to they said, you know, I had a camera in the house, 443 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.000 but I didn't want to take my eyes off it. I was afraid, 444 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.559 and those who ran inside to get the camera came out and it was gone. 445 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.360 Um. So I don't mean to interrupt you, but I'm glad you 446 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.000 brought that up because that was a common theme and a lot of people in 447 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:05.960 their reports they were mesmerized, like they didn't want to disengage from what they 448 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.000 were seeing to get a camera. Um. And like you said, if 449 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.599 they did, then they would come out and it would be gone. So 450 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:19.159 yeah. And I also suspect there's possibly photos or even eight millimeter movie out 451 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.360 there that people their grandfathers may have taken and it's in a box in a 452 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:28.360 closet with all the family Christmases and vacations and they don't even know it's on 453 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.440 it. Yeah. Yeah, And and I, um, you know, 454 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:37.920 one of my sightings, the one um over the lake with the three objects 455 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.599 coming together. I had a fairly decent thirty five millimeter camera then, and 456 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.360 you know I had taken photography classes, so I knew what I was doing, 457 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.800 and none of my photos came out. You know, it's at night, 458 00:36:52.320 --> 00:37:02.559 and yeah, at night. It was three yellowish white lights that came 459 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:09.360 together in this blue green flash, and as it became one object, three 460 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:16.280 objects became one object and lowered onto the top of this hill in Harriman State 461 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.800 Park. There were several of us who witnessed it, and I tried. 462 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:29.559 I tried to, you know, I wasn't that far away, and just 463 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:35.280 absolutely nothing came out. So, yeah, Mike, I my fingers crossed 464 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.039 that someday somebody says, you know, I found this box of photos. 465 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.280 Looks like UFOs. It would be nice, right, And I think the 466 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.000 big problem too, was a lot of these cameras probably were the point and 467 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.559 shoot was at one ten film. I remember that was a big The cassettes, 468 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.239 right, they weren't great, The steeds weren't weren't designed for low light, 469 00:37:55.400 --> 00:38:00.480 and so even if people probably took a picture, you know, they 470 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:07.000 probably just got dark masses or low detail because they just didn't have the equipment, 471 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.280 the technology to do so, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. There's 472 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.159 a daylight one out there there that would that would be wonderful. I think 473 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.639 we need to take Yes, we need to take a second break, Brian, 474 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.719 So let's do that and we will be right back. 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Yea, we are back from that brief break here with our 484 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:21.800 guest Jerry Arena, who had been a part of the Aerial Phenomena research organization 485 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.280 app Bro and Linda. Jerry, Jerry, I think you're going to relate 486 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.599 to us an interesting story about your brother, Ye sighting. I'm looking forward 487 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.159 to this Okay time frame nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight, and it was 488 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.480 in rural Georgia, Okay, where my brother was living at the time. 489 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.079 Mary. He's in the car with his wife and heading the in laws. 490 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:51.840 It was at night, and it came to there was a space between trees. 491 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.159 It was a clearing, and he looked off in the distance and he 492 00:39:54.239 --> 00:40:00.679 saw but looked like two very large orange colored lights. And he says, 493 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.440 that's unusual. Now, my brother has a private pilot's license and he's owned 494 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.880 airplane, so he knows airplane inside of that, I mean, he knows 495 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.519 everything. It's like a historian. So he said to his wife, that's 496 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.679 really strange. You know. He couldn't believe what it was. So they 497 00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.800 continued and this he was obscured by these trees. And then it came to 498 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.440 another player. Now this thing is much closer, and he says, I 499 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.840 wouldn't repeat what he said. He pulled over and he said, this is 500 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.800 not an airplane. The thing was huge. The lights were enormous. Nobody 501 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.280 flies with orange flights, two big ones on the front. So he got 502 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.519 out of the car and waited for his approach slowly, and it was a 503 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.639 boomerang shape craft. Underneath, on the bottom of the craft there were white 504 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:52.679 lights in the shape of a cross, and at the end the end were 505 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:59.519 two lights, red lights. And it sat over the road. I don't 506 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.639 know five hundred stay six hundred states hard to judge altitude at night anyway, 507 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:09.320 but it was just hanging there and then it slowly turned on its access to 508 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.280 go on another direction. So I asked him any noise. He said, 509 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:17.880 yes, Now this is unusual, he said, the lowest note on a 510 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.559 bass guitar. Because my brother also plays guitar. He said, that's what 511 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:29.159 it sounded like. It's just deep, deep, rumbling sound. So with 512 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.639 that, all of a sudden, his wife says, we's go over there. 513 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.440 And he looks and there's these white lights zipping around the sky, a 514 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.719 tremendous feed, eight nine ten of them. They didn't make any noise. 515 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:46.079 Well, he could see the white lights and the round lights separate from the 516 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:51.440 craft. From the bigma. They put on an aerial show. Only the 517 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.199 cows and the chickens could see, because you know, in the middle of 518 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:59.480 palm country. But this went on for about fifteen to twenty minutes. Wow, 519 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.079 old time. My sister in law was in the cart screaming and him 520 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.960 to get back in the cart. She said, this object was so low 521 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.199 she didn't know what was going to happen. She was spetrified. Prior to 522 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:14.039 that, she used to laugh at you with ohs a joke, you know, 523 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.239 the people are idiots and visual stuff. She could not believe what she 524 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.400 was looking at it, and she was frightened. So they observed these objects. 525 00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:29.079 Finally they joined us with the big object. They gathered around it and 526 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:34.000 my brother said, it went straight up, but in an arc. And 527 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.280 it went gone like in two seconds, straight up. That was it. 528 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.119 Did the white lights go in the boomerang or just around it, you know, 529 00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.000 like kind of like you know, accompanying the thing, And they just 530 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:51.480 went straight up. And but he said the thing was it was in an 531 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.360 arc the way it went up. And I said, anybody else on this 532 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.760 on the road and said no, because this road. He took me on 533 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.239 this road talking about the middle of Palm country and nine o'clock at night, 534 00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.519 there's nobody. Notice, there's no traffics, you know it, there's nobody 535 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:07.880 there. You'll see a couple of deers, you know, that kind of 536 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:14.519 thing, but they've watched it. Then they drove to the in laws and 537 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.519 they told them. First thing. They said, my dentist of my system 538 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:23.159 was a dentist. Oh you guys must have been sniffing the night rous imagine 539 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:29.000 this. They wouldn't even believe their own daughter. Nope, no, come 540 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.360 on and no such a thing. And you know the problem laws with their 541 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:36.599 and you know, come on stuff. I was just airplane. It gets 542 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.960 it gets better. And the way to hear you're gonna laugh to you. 543 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:45.400 I know you've heard this, uh ludicrous explanation before. So he tells my 544 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.000 flaws and of course my volitable reason. He says, I got an idea. 545 00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.519 I know this guy's an Air Force clist. Here here's a SUMMU give 546 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.039 him a call and tell him what you saw. So you think so my 547 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.960 brother just laid the whole thing after us like I did to you. You 548 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:04.000 know what, the guy says, I know what it is a refueling mission. 549 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.079 And my brother said, what you didn't hear one word? I said, 550 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:19.199 yeah, goes, it's easy to missus da. So my brother hung 551 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:25.159 up. He was curious. Yeah that was in venus. Yeah, that's 552 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:30.400 true. Yeah, venus got to break that time. Yeah, feelings, 553 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:35.400 you know, it's crying all the time. The planet gets fixed on them. 554 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.760 But I asked my sister in law and my brother separately to draw this 555 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.840 object, and they they did a great job of sketching the data. It's 556 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.400 very, very similar. But I'm fascinated by the white white cross of lightness. 557 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.639 Did you ever hear anything like that? I have. I have heard 558 00:44:53.679 --> 00:45:00.440 of cross shaped pattern of lights on the bottom of um, several different types 559 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.559 of craft. Yes, oh you have okay, yeah, yeah, um, 560 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.280 that was the first I've ever heard. But very interesting the way you 561 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:15.480 described the bass note yeah kind of sound. It was a rumbling sound. 562 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.199 He said it was very low, though very deep. It wasn't very loud. 563 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.880 And he said the thing just sat there. And I said, well, 564 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.400 how would you compare it inside to say, at seven forty seven? 565 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.039 Oh, I said, to seven forty seven to be a toy. Next 566 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:35.920 wow, breaths taking inside, And my system in law said that she was 567 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:37.519 freaking out. He said, I was never so scared in my life. 568 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.800 And now I'm a believer, of course, and I don't know what the 569 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.280 hell that thing was what those objects were. But they were hovering, zig 570 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.639 zagging, all kinds of pattern stop going. It's just like my brother was 571 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.920 watching them span, you know, from one side of the sky the other, 572 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.000 and he said, but what are they what are they trying to accomplish? 573 00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.519 You know, he was trying to you know, from an aircraft point 574 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.920 of you. I don't understand these maneuvers. What are the right And then 575 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.639 when they left in the ark going straight up that blueom play, he didn't 576 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.679 know what he said, he didn't know what connected it, and he said, 577 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.199 somebody's gonna have to show me, proved to me that this is not 578 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:20.360 from the's clients. It's because I believe that it's not. We don't have 579 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.880 anything to do. And that was an eighty eight, eighty seven, eighty 580 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.800 eight, and right around at the same time, it may have been the 581 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.079 same year, there was a UFO conference out of the east under Long Island. 582 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:35.280 John Kiel was there, Joel Mark was there, and people on the 583 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.920 east end were seeing a lot of large objects. I never did see anything 584 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.119 because I didn't hang out there, but that was an hour and a half 585 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.599 away from where living. But they were coming up to the mic and talking 586 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:51.039 about these sightings, and again intelligent people, well spoken, and they spoke 587 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.960 about these objects, and a lot of them were seeing over the ocean covering 588 00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:00.840 and then zipping back and forth, making all kinds of crazy turns and ubers. 589 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.960 Somebody got a video one of them. I did see the video which 590 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.519 all you solve our lights, you know in some really didn't make it any 591 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:13.159 details, too far a play, but you know, I thought that was 592 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.559 interesting too. And Kiel, you know, he got up and did his 593 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.519 feel about it, because you know, he doesn't believe that ec He called 594 00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.000 them ultra to resties. He said they are cosmic jobers. Isn't part of 595 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.960 this planet since the beginning of time, and they just here to mess with 596 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.719 us. That's that was the series, because that's what we need to be 597 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.960 messed with. We don't have enough problem. We're doing a pretty we're doing 598 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.719 a pretty good job here on our own. All said, there's not a 599 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:43.000 lot of good TV programs on, so we gotta have some kind of entertain 600 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.920 objects come down and mess with. But I just thought, you know that 601 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.599 the timing of that too, because you know, and my brother has never 602 00:47:52.639 --> 00:48:00.119 seen anything since. Did they formally report it to anyone? Nod. And 603 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.679 do those sketches still exist? They're going to get laugh the right, I'm 604 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.320 tired of this, you know, crap, you you know this clown is 605 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.800 telling me, you know, I misidentified a refueling mission like I'm a video. 606 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.199 Yeah. And and do the sketches they made still exist? That's a 607 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:22.360 good question. I would love to see them if if you can find out 608 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.119 yeah, oh I could ask them. Sure. But I thought that was 609 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.000 an amazing you know, the duration, that's extremely rare to get it signed. 610 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:35.920 Yeah, that who low like that? Right? Did you want to 611 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.920 read the book the incident at Exeter? I didn't read the book, No, 612 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.599 but I read a lot about it, Yes, yes, which was 613 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:50.039 also called a refueling Yeah, that was the excuse, that was mcgaha he 614 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.519 he ha ha that said that. That's yeah, James, my god, 615 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:57.960 right when I read that, I was still off my chair. But I 616 00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.320 I just recently reread that book, and if anybody hasn't read it, they 617 00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:08.159 should read it because that UFO was the strangest behaving object that I've ever heard 618 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:13.840 of. Dive Bombing people on the street, dive bombing people driving in cars, 619 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:19.119 following people involves hovering ten feet above your car and crazy stuff crazy, 620 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.199 And I said, what the heck is this all about? I don't understand 621 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:30.320 it. And then the two police officers who were there for that they called 622 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.639 the incident. That's actually incident, and the surrounding towns as well. Those 623 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.480 two police officers. That one police officers got so scared it was it was 624 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:42.159 coming at him aggressively. Then he actually drew his gun. I mean, 625 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.239 as you know what he said, it was the signs of a two story 626 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:49.639 house, and yeah, what kind of craziness is this? So I'm thinking 627 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:55.639 either the pilot was drunk or was the training. Yeah, that is an 628 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.880 amazing store. A couple of years ago, I actually went to the air 629 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.960 area where it happened because I wanted to be able to visualize, you know, 630 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.920 and from where they were standing and where the object was there. You 631 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:14.519 know, come on, there's no mistaking um. And they were I think 632 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:22.400 the police officers were both veterans and refueling missions. Okay, we did do 633 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.639 that, so you're not going to fool this guy that there was a refueling 634 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:32.280 mission going ten foot over the top of a car. Uh oh, and 635 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.400 Phil's class I remember what he said. It was Mars Mars was low on 636 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:42.400 the horizon. It looked like covering over the trees. Yes, we all 637 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.840 signings there, hundreds of people. That was going on months before the actual 638 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.199 incident happened, and I think it was and George Bullard went there. He 639 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.679 actually saw the objects. He saw the object being chased like the jets, 640 00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.639 and it looked like a glowing r in the reddish ball, That's what he 641 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:06.599 said. It looked huh. And the people used to gather at the transmission 642 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.840 lines. There's not regular power lines. These are the big ones that are 643 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:14.719 attached like towers. And this thing would show up almost every week and it 644 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:22.239 would hover over the transmission line to the spide of it and smow. It 645 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:24.800 was moved at a very small rate of people. I don't know. There's 646 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.880 another one where nobody took any picture. It's not one photograph that I've ever 647 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:34.960 heard of, No, not that I know of either. Well, the 648 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:39.000 police officers said that the entire area was bathed in this red glow because the 649 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:43.840 grass looked like I was gone fire and he was afraid that they were going 650 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.719 to get radiation. Barnes and huge red lights on the front of the no 651 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.119 aircraft while it was just and it you know, it used to visit a 652 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.559 t's Air Force space and it messed with them over there too. Actually landed 653 00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.840 at the end of the running. Oh that I never heard that either. 654 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.519 Yeah, And they sent the fire trucks out because they saw this glowing red 655 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.639 ball of light and they thought there was a fire and they got there and 656 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.800 the thing just shot away. As I'm the seat, but you used to 657 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.679 go there and hover would just hang out and like you know, they would 658 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.360 come out. What the heck is that they never do they chase as the 659 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:24.800 jets would chase it, but they never could get close. The behavior is 660 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.719 what that me. I mean, zig zagging motions, stop and go, 661 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.800 stop and go, and you know, very erratic moves and and just what 662 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.920 your brothers saw with just turn like turning on a turntable. Yeah, like 663 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.800 that movement. Right. Yeah, these these craft didn't bank in turn. 664 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:50.719 Usually they just abruptly shifted position and went in different direction or started you know, 665 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.039 heading north and suddenly they're going east. You know, ninety degree turns, 666 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.800 which that bluemola, he said, he or if you have to bank 667 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.400 to turn, yeah, thing did. In fact, it just sat there 668 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.880 and just fun around slow the turn table, you know, that's like that's 669 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.920 that's definitely a description. And he said it's slowly turned and went in another 670 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:15.159 direction and never moved quickly until the very end when when they all left the 671 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.280 earth and that was it and nobody else reported it. There was nothing. 672 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:27.320 He didn't meet anybody else, nothing fun on the news of local papers. 673 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.320 Like I said. That was in a very rural area. Nine o'clock at 674 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.679 night. You know, in the winter, nobody's gonna be out, you 675 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.519 know that, thank you know, so you'd be lucky. He was very 676 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:44.039 lucky to see that. I don't have that kind of oh not yet. 677 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.400 If they called me and told me to come outside, yeah, wait here, 678 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.679 now, I would go out and there'd be nothing there. Right. 679 00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:59.599 Well, somehow we flew through this hour, Mike, Did you have any 680 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.119 quite Christians? No. I think we need a part two though, because 681 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.280 I think you have a lot more that you could talk about, and it's 682 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.280 fascinating. I have a lot of questions that we don't We won't have time 683 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.199 to have a whole list of thing, so you know, maybe we could 684 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:19.119 get together again everywhere? Right, absolutely, absolutely so, Um, I 685 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:25.719 really appreciate you coming on the show this you know good someone who was there 686 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:31.280 on the ground interviewing the witnesses as the Hudson Valley Wave was taking place, 687 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:38.119 this, uh is wonderful. Um, I thought, I'm in the middle 688 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:40.760 of this when this is happening. I said, this is just too good 689 00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.519 to be true. I said, there's no way I'm not going to see 690 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.440 this thing. Because usually you're about it after the fact, and even as 691 00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.079 you know these things are pleading, you know, you see, you see 692 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.119 them for a second or two or a minute and gone and never show up 693 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:59.079 again. But this just kept coming back over and over over again. You 694 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:07.559 have have any series of why that area, anything about that Whatever it is 695 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:13.760 that is attracting them here has been doing it for generations. You know. 696 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:20.360 I documented all kinds of sightings from nineteen o nine from this area, and 697 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:28.880 you know, sporadic other sightings in the eighteen hundreds, So it's not anything 698 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:34.239 new. It's not because they put the Indian Point Nuclear plant that drew attention, 699 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:40.039 but they were here long long before that. Were any of them comparable 700 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:47.760 to the decidings and d Green eighty four sparts shape inside They could not in 701 00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:53.519 nineteen o nine. It seemed to be more cylindrical, but it was tough. 702 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:58.599 It was at night, and what they were seeing were lights on either 703 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.119 end of the craft, some times in the middle large spotlights is it and 704 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:08.079 the craft would go slowly and the searchlights as if it was if it was 705 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:14.639 looking for something. Yeah, very interesting. I didn't know when that. 706 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.599 Yes, yeah, there was quite quite a lot of sightings in nineteen o 707 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:28.119 nine. It was Hudson Valley up through New England up into quebec Um. 708 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:35.000 You know, so when people skeptics, the phil class type, try to 709 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.800 tell you, oh, it was secret military craft, I'll say, okay, 710 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.239 even if I say yes that we dismissed that, how do you explain 711 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:49.679 nineteen o nine And they'll be like, a yeah, it kind of falls 712 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:54.400 apart then. So it's very important to get the whole history of an area 713 00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:04.639 and realize not anyone ridiculous excuse can can take care of one hundred and ten 714 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:12.119 years of sightings. That's some issue. Wow, that's really amazing that you 715 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:22.840 bet I didn't grow up there every night. Well, that's one of the 716 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.000 reasons I do what I do, Because I did grow up here. I 717 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:30.119 did see things, and just about everybody I knew saw things and you know 718 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:35.119 it's I thought that's the way everything was around you know, everybody grew up 719 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:40.400 like this. Um but yeah, fortunate to be in this area. So 720 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.119 like most of the times in US around the country, it's just hit them 721 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.320 as you know, it's just you're not looking and all of a sudden is 722 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:53.400 something you know, right, And those are great witnesses because they're not expecting, 723 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.639 they're not you know, they're going to you know, pick up their 724 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.800 laundry. You know, they're going grocery shopping, they're bringing their kids home 725 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:08.039 from football practice, and you know, having these experiences. So, um, 726 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:15.199 yes, we are fortunate here in the Hudson Valley and uh fine books 727 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:22.360 too, right, Yes, there absolutely and uh still to this day apparently. 728 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:28.920 Um So next clear night, I will certainly be out there. Um 729 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.480 So, Mike, would you care to bring us out? Yes, thank 730 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:39.480 you for listening to us here on um UFO headquarters as always on Michael Wharden 731 00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:45.760 and Linda Zimmerman the amazing and thank you Jerry for being our guests. Keep 732 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:52.960 your eyes to the sky. You never know what you're gonna see. Hudson 733 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:55.760 River Radio dot Com a favorite among shut ins and dogs