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You can also 9 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:19,159 become one of our ongoing Patreon supporters for as little as two dollars per month, 10 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,760 and I want to go ahead and thank Christine for becoming our latest Patreon 11 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:27,359 supporter at the shawmus level of four dollars or more per month. Thank you 12 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:33,879 so much for your support, Christine. Now it is time for this week's 13 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:38,799 episode of Dragnet. The original aired eight September tenth, nineteen forty nine, 14 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:48,040 and the title is The Sullivan Kidnapping. Here's another NBC's Great pread of new 15 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:59,920 shows, Ladies and Gentlemen, The story you are about to hear is true, 16 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,640 only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. NBC brings you 17 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:22,280 Dragnet. You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. A twenty 18 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:28,280 two year old girl has disappeared. A letter has been received. It demands 19 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:34,960 thirty thousand dollars for the girl's return. A letter assigned the wolf. Your 20 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:43,919 job get him. Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime, investigated and 21 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,199 solved by the men who unrelentingly stand watch on the security of your home, 22 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:53,000 your family, and your life. For the next thirty minutes, in cooperation 23 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,080 with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 24 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,199 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from a official police finance, 25 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,840 from beginning to end, from prime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of 26 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:15,520 your police force in action. It was Tuesday, October eighteenth. It was 27 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,479 cloudy in Los Angeles. We're working the night watch out a homicide. My 28 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:23,199 partner's Ben Ramero. The boss is at backstrand Chief of Detectives. My name 29 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,960 is Friday. I was on the way back from the Stat's office and it 30 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:30,800 was three twenty six am. When I got to room forty two homicide. 31 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:36,159 Got those monthsassports here they are cranks. Serris backstan I Levia In a minute. 32 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:38,599 I'm going out with him. What's your address out there? The Sullivan 33 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,439 play eight fourteen Castro Boulevard. You go straight out Santa mon. I can 34 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:44,879 take a left of Castro. I remember you ready? Chief? Yeah? 35 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:46,960 Friday, you call ramerily in right now, get on it. There's when 36 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:59,400 we don't fool with. Yeah, come on Herris. Hello, sorry to 37 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:00,479 wake you, Ben. This is Joe. How are you feeling? Oh 38 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,159 hi, Joe? What time is it? Three thirty am? How do 39 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,120 you feel? Oh a lot? Better be back to work tomorrow. You'll 40 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,360 be ready in twenty minutes. I'll pick you up twenty minutes. Okay, 41 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:13,639 what's up? You remember Martin Sullivan, vice president of the third National Bank 42 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,399 Soliv. Yeah, yeah, what about it. He's got a twenty two 43 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:38,879 year old daughter, already had one. She's gone good. We made good 44 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:44,000 times, Joe. Where are we headed? Sullivan home out on Castro Boulevard. 45 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,439 Head's out there now with Harris and he leads to work on. Oh, 46 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,199 nothing's so far. The girl disappeared a little before one o'clock yesterday afternoon. 47 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,439 At eleven last night, he got a letter. They want thirty thousand 48 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,399 dollars. Sullivan hasn't got that kind of money. Yeah, I know it. 49 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,439 Poor guys almost out of his mind in how'd it happened? Now? 50 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,199 The guy took the girl out of business school. He had her call out 51 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,759 a class, told her her father was sick, said he was a friend 52 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,720 of the families. How about the teachers? What was their story? Said? 53 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:11,439 The girl didn't want to go with a man at first, but he 54 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,120 finally talked her into it, kept telling her her father was dying. That's 55 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,319 about as low as it come. Yeah. Did he use a car? 56 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,680 Witnesses said it was a blue Sedan. They didn't get the license number of 57 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,279 the make. Did they remember what the guy looked like? About five nine 58 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,079 one sixty, brown suit, dark hair. Mm, nothn't that. No, 59 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:32,720 he's a copy of the letter he was usual read it. Yeah, 60 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:39,879 yeah, I have your daughter, Judy. Get uh what's that thirty thousand, 61 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,279 thirty thousand dollars quick? If you want her back alive, don't call 62 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:49,040 police or I'll kill her. Contact you later, signed h What was it? 63 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,439 The wolf? Wolf? I could think of a better name. Come 64 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:01,439 on here we are, he's got to reginal note Joe Lee Jones down at 65 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,240 the crime I be checking it for Prince in handwriting. Well, let's do 66 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:08,800 it. Oh, Hi, David, right on the house ports she's waiting 67 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:17,240 for him. Thanks Dave, Hi, Joe Ben in the living room. 68 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:21,120 Thank you. That's the way I see it, mister Sullivan. Now you 69 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:26,879 understand exactly what you have to do. Yes, I'll do as you say. 70 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:30,399 And here are the two men who will help you, Sergeant Friday and 71 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:36,879 Sergeant Romelo homicide. Yes, how do you do mister Bestrand? Are you 72 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,800 sure about all this? He might get frightened, he might do something to 73 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,639 Judy. Believe me, mister Sullivan. It's the only way I know how 74 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,600 you must feel. But we can't do anything else. All right, I 75 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,000 I want to see missus Sullivan first. I'll be ready in a moment. 76 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:06,759 Any development, Yeah, come on back in the dining room. There it 77 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,680 is on the table. Take a note from the guy tailegram when this come 78 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,720 about half an hour ago? Guy phoned it into Western Union from a public 79 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,920 booth. Couldn't trace it, I say, Joe, Yeah, be at 80 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:28,160 Alesion Park five o'clock this morning near balk And Drive. Come alone, bring 81 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:32,879 thirty thousand. We'll return. Girl. Don't tell cops kill her if you 82 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,839 do the wolf four. I am nows giver not much time. I know. 83 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:40,560 It's we have to do as he says. No other way. Then 84 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Sullivan's going out there alone. You're going with him, you and Romero. 85 00:07:43,959 --> 00:07:46,279 He'll be hitting out in the trunk of the car. Any plan get him, 86 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:55,160 that's all. Ben and I went out the back door and into the 87 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,279 Sullivan garage. We jammed ourselves into the trunk apartment and Harris closed the door 88 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:01,399 on us the lights respect so that the door could be pushed open from the 89 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,160 inside. A few minutes later, mister Sullivan came out, got in the 90 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,920 car, and we drove off. At three minutes to five, we pulled 91 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:18,439 up at the meeting place in the Lesion Park. We waited. Nothing happened. 92 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,360 At five minutes past five, it started to thunder. That's all we 93 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:39,120 need now, thunderstorm stopping here in this trunking nowhere. Then listen, something 94 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:48,159 must be What have you seen anything? It sounds like he's pacing up and 95 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:56,279 down alongside the cartener he listen, Can you hear anything else? Can you 96 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:05,000 no better stay undercover? I have rains? Dark man? When what happened 97 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:20,000 to the war coold feet? Maybe let's waited out it, Joe, you 98 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:26,000 know what time you got now? Meet my watch him? Yeah, a 99 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:33,320 little past five thirty, Solgian sergiant, mister Sullivan. Yes, do you 100 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,639 think he's coming and sleep? He's getting daylight. We better wait it out, 101 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,840 mister Sullivan. Now look, don't come back here again. If he's 102 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:43,399 watching, you might tip him off. Oh all right, all right, 103 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:54,600 you're a guy. Thank you here coming up the road, Towardoise it's stopping, 104 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,039 Yeah, coming over to our car? Are you ready? Right? 105 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,159 Talk? Heou son of it? And I'm coming back here and I'll watch 106 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:16,360 it. Randy Romero at you en? Yeah? The meeting? All right? 107 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,799 Got cramp my leg. I'm cramped all over, mister Sullivan. Drive 108 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:31,600 back home. We'll contact you then, all right, chee Ben Joe went 109 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:37,120 over the car. What's the story of the guy had no intention of following 110 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,039 through this meeting to then? Well, how come he told us going at 111 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,399 five o'clock? Try to trace the call. He wouldn't stay on the line 112 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,120 long enough. What do you have to say? He wanted more money, 113 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,600 bragged about how smart he was, how we'd never get him when he knows 114 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,480 Sullivan's called in the police. Sure said he didn't care. We'd never get 115 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,879 him anyway. Yeah, pretty cock, pretty smart. Take my word for 116 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,720 it. He's no dummy. Joel. Eighty K, I'll get us K 117 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:07,919 eighty K to control one. Eight OK, to control one. Go ahead, 118 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,600 eighty K, go to your office code three. Go to your office 119 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,279 code three. K. All right, run my own, let's roll. 120 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,720 More than twelve hours had passed since word of Judy Sullivan's disappearance had been pooned 121 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,440 in a homicide during that time, and all points bullet containing the descriptions of 122 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,919 the suspect, his car, and the girl had been sent out on the 123 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,200 teletype to law enforcement agencies throughout the area. The same descriptions were broadcast over 124 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,080 the police radio every hour. The Sullivan home had been placed under strict surveillance, 125 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,559 and mister Sullivan instructed not to contact the suspect without knowledge of the police. 126 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,759 He'd raised almost ten thousand dollars in cash to buy him off. The 127 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,840 serial number on each one of the bills had been copied by a police stenographer 128 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:52,799 and then re checked by a homicide officer. So far, the wolf as 129 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,240 he called himself, had made three separate contacts, but he'd covered his tracks 130 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:58,960 well. We knew that he was somewhere in the city five hundred square mind, 131 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,519 and we know we had to find him fast. It was eighteen minutes 132 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,799 past six when we got back to homicide. Hikes. You hell, listen, 133 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:09,799 you gouts something for us. Make here there's letter special delivery came in 134 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,519 about twenty five minutes and I see that man. Yeah, that's him. 135 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:16,639 According to the postmark, he mister Mail did run after he grabbed the girl. 136 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,080 Listen to this. Stay away from Sullivan. If the kids found dead, 137 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,519 it's your fault. Stay away the wool, all right, Mike, 138 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,799 get it over to the crime lab and have a lead check it for princes. 139 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Write you will you find any prints on the second note? Mike too, 140 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,320 running through r and I now, Fridy room, my room. Get 141 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:31,879 down there and see if they got to make I'll call out to Sullivan's and 142 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,679 check with Harris. Right ed, Let's go a bit. Who's watching the 143 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,600 Sullivan house beside her? Carpenter and Davis, Max trans afraid the girl's father 144 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,639 trying to make a deal with the guy. Has he tried it yet? 145 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:43,720 No, he hasn't yet. You couldn't blame him if he did. Worried 146 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:50,200 single Yeah, sure we are, hi fellas, just coming down to see 147 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,399 you got something. Larry, those two Prince Lee Jones lifted off that letter 148 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:54,360 I got to make on him from the single print file. Its good, 149 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,679 Larry. Let's see, h there it is, pull the whole bankage on 150 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:05,679 him. Donald Alfred Keefer looks like a old badwin, doesn't he. Donald 151 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,360 Alfred Keefer male, Caucasian, age, twenty nine, five feet eight inches, 152 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:11,919 one hundred and seventy pounds, brown eyes dark brown here. He had 153 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,679 one previous arrest for forgery in Los Angeles, ten months before Keeper's occupation. 154 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:20,480 At the time his arrest was listed as a bank clerk at the Third National 155 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,279 Bank. Ben went back into the files and pulled the crime report. Then 156 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,799 we called it backstramp. There's an answer, Skipper. At the time Keeper 157 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,240 pulled that forgery job at the bank, mister Sullivan was won the vice president 158 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,519 go in. Sullivan was the one who preferred charges against Keeper and Sulid. 159 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,480 He was prosecuted. Where's this keeping down? Let me see is placed on 160 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,080 probation, and on May sixteenth this year, he returned to his home in 161 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Omaha, Nebraska. That's thirteen eighty mckinna Avenue, all right from my own. 162 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,720 Get Omaha on the phone and have him check out keeping right Friday, 163 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,200 take keep his package in this note down to Don myz have him check the 164 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:58,519 handwriting and get over to the crime lab and see what Jones lifted off for 165 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,679 that last letter. We got all right ed. The faster we work, 166 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:09,480 the faster We'll put this guy behind buys. Now move. How's the writing 167 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,480 compared Don? What'd you find? He looks good? See here slaps his 168 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:20,720 crosses, w oops his l's openes breshare on the downstroke Donald Keefer Wolf same 169 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:30,600 handwriting. Lift the tree prints off this last note. Joe brought him out 170 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,519 to the I don fume gun. They match with the first. Thanks Ley, 171 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:35,879 Do you find anything else? I don't know it will help you much. 172 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,639 We examined the paper for watermarks and texture. Both notes are written on 173 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,879 the same kind of paper. Impressions show both pieces of paper from the same 174 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,240 tablet checked the density of the carbon and the pencil he used. Both specimens 175 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:58,679 match same pencil by mid afternoon, Donald Keeper's description had been broadcast throughout the 176 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,320 area. Bullet was where his to all departments, and an APB was teletyped 177 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,600 to the entire state. Men were stationed at every post office in the city 178 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:07,879 to watch for notes that might come through the mail. The bus depots, 179 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,919 railroad terminals, the airports, and all the main roads leading out of the 180 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,799 city were under strict surveillance. The entire Los Angeles area was broken down into 181 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,519 single square mile districts, and the house to house canvas was started. The 182 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,480 squad of men were assigned to cover each square mile. Outlying towns and cities 183 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:26,039 were requested to do the same. By five o'clock that afternoon, the greatest 184 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,960 dragnet operation in the history of the city was underway. We were sure Donald 185 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,320 Keeper was somewhere inside. At twelve minutes past five, Ben got the callback 186 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,080 from the Omaha police. Yeah, yeah, I got it. Six x 187 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,039 ray four to one nine Nebraska Place right. Well, thank you a lot, 188 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,320 yea bye. They had a make on the car lots more. The 189 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,879 Omaha cops looking for keyper two went in for a Robbie there two months ago. 190 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,600 Yeah, Matt Robbery used a stolen nineteen thirty nine, blue sed Dan 191 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,679 Nebraska license plate six X ray four one nine. How about his family and 192 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:00,000 his friends back there? They all been checked. Yeah, they said keeper 193 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,759 left Omaha about six weeks ago. Didn't know where it was, Hayding. 194 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:07,879 We'll get that car description the communications huh APB teletypan broadcast. I'll tell you 195 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,080 all right, Joe Friday, Yeah, what are you tied up with? 196 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Well, just got a call from Omaha. Make on Keifer in the car, 197 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:15,440 give it to me. You do, get out of the Sullivant ho 198 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,279 as fast as you can. What's happened to given man? And Sullivan's disappeared? 199 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,879 All right, Harris? How did it happened? About three to seventh 200 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,559 tonoon? Mister Sullivan got a phone call, said he had to go down 201 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:34,639 to the bank and went with him. He had me wait in the reception 202 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,679 room and he went in his office to waiting. Ten minutes. I got 203 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,039 suspicious and went in. He was gone. I said, did he get 204 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,559 any more money this morning? Five thousand dollars? Should get the serial numbers 205 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,799 off the bills? Yeah. I shouldn't let him get out of my sight. 206 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,480 Forget it right now, We've got to find out where he's going to 207 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:53,399 meet Keifer. You talked to missus Sullivan about it, Harris, She says 208 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,919 she doesn't know anything about it. Let's try her again. Come on, 209 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,039 let's go inside, all right, fellas, Hi, where's miss Sullivan? 210 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,279 Dave back in the sitting room, lying down, Doctor Swite, come on 211 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:11,680 a time? He got bet six thirty five. I'll get it. Hello. 212 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:19,440 Where are you? Where are you now? Where are you now? 213 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:29,440 We'll be right out. That was Martin Sullivan. He met with Keefer of 214 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,400 Laurel Canyon. Did he get his daughter back? Yeah? Wrapped in newspapers, 215 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:42,680 all cars in the area were notified that a contact had been made with 216 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:47,559 keeper. We got in the car and drove out to Laurel Canyon. The 217 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:51,880 entire area had been blocked off. We found Martin Sullivan standing in the middle 218 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,519 of the road at the end of East Winding Way. Five hundred feet down 219 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:59,359 the hill was a private residence where Sullivan had telephoned. His was the only 220 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,279 building in the immediate vicinity. A few yards beyond the point where he's winding 221 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:07,200 away ended back in a clump of tall grass, we found the body of 222 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:12,160 Martin Sullivan's daughter. We notified the crime lab. She back strand in the 223 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:18,000 corner. Despite a severe state of emotional shock, Martin Sullivan tried to tell 224 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,720 us a story. He said, Juju was all right. I believed him. 225 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:32,400 I wanted to beg jud. I tricked the officer that when watching he 226 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,039 said, come along, no police. Did you see his calm as she 227 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:47,039 said, I wanted to beg I wanted you to bey I. I did 228 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,279 as he said. I drove here at six o'clock. I waited. I 229 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,440 put the money in the front seat, like you said. Did he get 230 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:03,720 the money, mister Sullivan, I got out of it, left parking nights 231 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:11,200 on. I stood up there by the end of the road waiting, mister 232 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:21,759 solid and he drove up me. It took her money. Then he came 233 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:29,240 up to me. He had a gun. I wanted to shoot it back. 234 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,559 Yeah, the gun. Did you see his car? He said, 235 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:45,440 she was up there beyond the road to a tree. Mister Sullivan, did 236 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:56,359 you see his car? I went to look for he drove away. She 237 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:37,519 wasn't there. I couldn't find it. I know we've got it. Before 238 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:40,559 he went into a state of complete collapse, we showed Martin Sullivan a picture 239 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:45,440 of Donald Alfred Kiefer. He definitely identified him. The information was immediately relayed 240 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,920 back to Central Division, rebroadcast to the entire police radio system. A teletype 241 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,480 was dispatched to sheriff's offices and communications were sent to police stations throughout the country. 242 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:59,039 The house to house searched throughout the entire city, intensifying the dragnet in 243 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:02,640 which we hope to trap Donald. Keeper was drawing slowly inward. It was 244 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,480 twelve midnight as free Slim and girl murdered. Xtree read all about it, 245 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,119 Citizens joints, Sir for Caro ranny. Did the papers get a list of 246 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,839 the numbers on that ransom money? Yeah? Got them in the final that 247 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:15,640 edition, two and a half pages of serial numbers. Gave it a big 248 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,880 spread. Look at these pictures, a Keeper here all over the front play 249 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:22,960 I'm more of the better on my own. I hope this town never forgets 250 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,240 that face. Good reminder you don't make deals with killers. Alright, fellas, 251 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:32,519 come on over, find anything here? Ly just checking over these towels 252 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:36,799 here fallum wrapped around the girl's body. Inside the papers. The only thing 253 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,079 about those papers, sadly, they're all Yesterday's every story about the girl's disappearance 254 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,359 has been clipped off. Maybe the guy's making that for scrap. How about 255 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,839 the towels, Jones? Any laundry monks? Not on one so far, 256 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,359 ed, every one of them was clipped off. Pretty smart. The marg 257 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,960 posts the body in and doing it now, nasty one. Yeah. Do 258 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:00,240 you get any footprints or tire marks out where they found the body of them? 259 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,559 All? Cast Bars and Taylor are checking them. One sink? What 260 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,279 is it? Jones? I don't know? Under the scene here this tale? 261 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,039 Wait a minute, Joe, that pair of snipper is it? Yeah? 262 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,839 There you are, thanks, just back under the sea. There that's 263 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:30,559 one tag he missed. Yeah. Greenway Apartments, Los Angeles. One look 264 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,720 at the apartment was enough. In an adjoining garage we found the car, 265 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,240 which keeper had used, a blue Sedan Nebraska license plate six x ray four 266 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,400 one nine. When we got back to the office, Chief Backstrand immediately issued 267 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,519 a cancelation of the want order for the blue sedan, and then he ordered 268 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,559 a detail amen to stake out the car and the event keeper decided to come 269 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,039 back for it. Here's the Corners report. Joe, let's see it. 270 00:22:52,920 --> 00:23:00,680 Because of death strangulation time of death Monday, October eighteenth, approximately two pm, 271 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:06,440 one hour after he grabbler, I can't be right skipper in his office. 272 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,119 O, he's out for a minute. Hey, Joe, Ben, 273 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:11,799 take the call up two five oh three, will you? Thanks? Mines 274 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:18,519 Dride Would you give me the call on two five oh three please? Thanks? 275 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:26,720 Hello? Yeah, yeah, when we'll be right over some of the 276 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:34,480 ransom money. Ben just showed up Beverly and Highland. Come on, the 277 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,400 man's name was Ralph Donahue. He operated a used car lot on the corner 278 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,599 of Beverly and Highland. He told us that early that morning he sold a 279 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,279 dark blue late model coup to a man who gave his name as Fred Simms. 280 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,759 The man paid for the car in cash. Donahue told us that he 281 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,319 checked the serial numbers on the bills after the man had driven away. Sarah 282 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,359 Lemers, check out. You know, everyone, if I only thought to 283 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,720 look, officer, and you know I generally do, I'm the suspicious kind 284 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,039 any but oh, this morning I must have been asleep. We got the 285 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:04,079 full description on the car, Ben, Yeah, yeah, all right, 286 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,359 let's get it in the air right away. I saw I was mugg in 287 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,400 the paper while I was waiting for you too late. Sorry, yeah, 288 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:21,559 thanks. At ten minutes past three that afternoon, another piece of the ransom 289 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:25,039 money turned up at a busy downtown department store. The clerk was unable to 290 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:29,000 remember who gave her the bill. The detail throughout the general downtown area was 291 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,000 strengthened. The house to house search of the entire city for Judy Sullivan's murderer 292 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,880 went on the afternoon dragged into the early evening. At twenty minutes to seven, 293 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,240 Ben and I had a hamburger and a cup of coffee in the drug 294 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:42,480 store at East Broadway in the third and then we got back in the car, 295 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,000 checked with communications, and started cruising the neighborhood again. At nine minutes 296 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,720 to eight, a man answering the description of Donald Keeper was seen crossing Sunset 297 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:56,160 Boulevard just below Highland. Seven minutes later, the same man was reported near 298 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,680 the intersection of Hollywood Boulevard and Lost Palmus. Communications really the information. At 299 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,680 twenty one minutes past eight, our car EIGHTYK, along with a dozen others, 300 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,599 were concentrated in the Hollywood Boulevard area from Gower Street to Librea Franklin Avenue 301 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,640 to Santa Monica Boulevard. At twenty four minutes past eight, another piece of 302 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,000 the ransom money was passed at a cigar store in the corner of Hollywood Boulevard 303 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,880 and Hawthorne Street. The number of men and radio cars in the area was 304 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,119 redoubled. Wain clothes officers were stationed at every intersection to keep an eye on 305 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,880 pedestrian traffic. At eighteen minutes to nine, the dark blue coop which Keifer 306 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,160 had bought that morning, was spotted parked in an alley just below Hollywood Boulevard 307 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,519 and Conga. We called it Backstrand City Hall to five oh three two five 308 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:44,480 oh three, Chief of Detectives always Hannah is Friday, Mike the chief there. 309 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:45,640 Yeah, wait a minute, just going out the door, and it's 310 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,839 for you, Magstrand Friday ed just spotted Keeper's car the when he bought this 311 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,119 morning, parked in an alley off Conga. Harris and I are and I 312 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,200 went then now we'll take care of the car. You'll take care of this 313 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,079 call just came in. What do you got the theater on the corner of 314 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,039 Hollywood Boulevard and Fairview. A girl in the box office just took it. 315 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,519 A ten dollar ransom bill. Yeah, you got a good look at the 316 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:17,759 man who passed the bill, She says, it's Keeper. All right, 317 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:22,079 Ben, come on, Yeah, you've got a list of serial numbers right 318 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,160 here. Let's check out the window. Yes, sir, how many please 319 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,720 please? Office Sergeant Romeo, Sergeant Friday, Oh yes, sir, mister 320 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,519 Raeburn, please are here. Would you step around to the side door, 321 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,119 Sergeant Yes, ma'am Margie relieve Francis for a minute. Francis come in, 322 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,599 bring that ten dollar bill with you, sharp girl, Officer that francis sharp? 323 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,720 Here is all right, Sergeant. There you are ten dollar bill and 324 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,720 the list of serial numbers. Check out, all right, Ben, that's 325 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:48,920 it, Joe, good work man. The report of the man came in 326 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,319 about a half hour ago. You're sure it was Keeper, Yes, sir, 327 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,000 I have his picture in the box office, just behind the change machine. 328 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,400 I recognized him right away. As far as you know, he hasn't 329 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,680 left the theater. That's right, all right, mister raeburnd I'm sorry, 330 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,279 Fred, I have to interrupt the show. Anything you say, Sergeant, 331 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,359 anything, Ben, You keep an eye on the front. Ects that I'll 332 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:14,480 call communications. Frid Joe EIGHTYK to control four eight OK to control four eighty 333 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,559 K go ahead control for clear all frequencies. The Sullivan murder suspect Donald Keeper 334 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,640 has been located in the theater on the southeast corner of Hollywood Boulevarden Fairview. 335 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:30,720 Have all units around the area ADK Roger contention all units attention all units eighty 336 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,920 K in the theater on the southeast corner of Hollywood Boulevard, Fairview. Sullivan 337 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:40,599 murder suspects has been located in the theater. Go ahead eighty K control for 338 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,640 have all units converge in the general area Hollywood Boulevarden Fairview. Unit sixty two 339 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,640 are to block off the intersection in Hollywood Bullivard in North Cherokee Stop all pedestrian 340 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,319 and vehicular traffic. Unit sixty one eight to block the intersection in Hollywood Bull 341 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,839 Ofvarden Hudson Street Stop all pedestrian and vehicular traffic. Unit seventy one and seventy 342 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,359 two are to block the alley behind the theater at sixty six and sixty seven 343 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:07,880 IR who assistant main entrance to the theater. Within a few minutes, the 344 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,880 one half mile area around the theater was completely blockaded. Every exit and entrance 345 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,799 to the theater was covered. At nine twenty three, we met Harris and 346 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,920 ed Backstrand in the theater manager's office. Backstrand outlined our plan of operation. 347 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,480 At nine twenty eight, a detail of fourteen men walked down the side aisles 348 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,839 on the main floor of the theater and took up their posts on either side 349 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,960 of the orchestra pit. The picture was stopped and every light in the theater 350 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,079 was turned on. At Backstrand, Harris, Ben and I went down the 351 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,880 island up onto the stage. Backstrand made the announcement, Ladies and gentlemen, 352 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,519 we're sides to interrupt the picture, but this is important. We're police officers. 353 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,200 We've traced the murderer of Judy Sullivan to this theater. He's in this 354 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,960 theater now, and we're going to search the theater row by row, and 355 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,079 we'd like to ask your cooperation. There's no need to be panicky or afraid. 356 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,720 Those who wish to leave now may do so. Lead by the main 357 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,920 entrance. Each one of you will be checked as you go out the door, 358 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,440 and for the benefit of the man we're looking for, don't try to 359 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:10,160 escape. Every exod is covered in the entire area is blockaded. Don't place 360 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:21,839 any more lives in jeopardy. Come on, Ben, backstage show. We 361 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,279 can make it from there. All right, let's go, come on, 362 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,000 hustle it, Ben, Yeah, the next building you'll probably try to jump 363 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,759 for all right, watch it. I think this stor leads out to the 364 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:34,920 roof. Here he goes, all right, keep her hauling. Shoot, 365 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,240 I get up. Throw your gun down over here, don't huot. No, 366 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960 let's get him, all right, coppers, I got it. Figured 367 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,440 they won't top me for this. Didn't know what I was doing with the 368 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,839 cuffs on him, Ben, get away from me. Your crump shouldn't have 369 00:29:48,880 --> 00:30:00,279 hit him. Keep her all right, Ben, try the cuffs now. 370 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,640 Yeah, come on, let's get him in out of the rain. What's 371 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:18,799 a hurry? Why spoil a good rain. The story you have just heard 372 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:26,039 is true, only the names were changed to protect the innocent. Donald Alfred 373 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,759 Keeper was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree. He was executed 374 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:40,279 in the lethal gas chamber at the State Penitentiary. You have just heard the 375 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:45,160 fifteenth in a new series of authentic cases transcribed from official Fireous Technical advice for 376 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,240 Dragnet comes from the Office of Acting Chief of Police W. A. Wharton, 377 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:56,680 Los Angeles Police Department. Tonight's program is dedicated to Deputy United States Marshall 378 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:03,160 John B. Glenn Boise Item on the morning of July thirty first, nineteen 379 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:22,319 forty gave his life so that yours might be more secure. Drag Net came 380 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:30,960 to you from Los Angeles Dealer Guild on the air. Returns tomorrow night on 381 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:44,799 MBC. Welcome Back. A well done story of a kidnapping investigation with some 382 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,079 really gutriching scenes, particularly when Martin Sullivan was talking about his daughter when he 383 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,799 tried to pay off the ransom. I think that's a very raw and realistic 384 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,039 reaction, while at the same time not being sensation all about it. At 385 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,839 the same time, I also think that there were some really nice touches with 386 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:12,119 the sound effects them of them in the trunk of the car and the thunderstorm 387 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:16,599 in particular standout Dragon that, particularly in these early days, had this dedication 388 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:22,960 to high quality production and in making listeners feel like they were there with the 389 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:29,839 police wherever they were. They wanted to really make the full situation feel real, 390 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:36,359 which was why Jack Webb used far more sound effects men than other programs. 391 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,480 Did well. Now we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we 392 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:47,359 start on the site called x where Tina says great episode regarding Mara the Redhead. 393 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,319 Over on YouTube regarding fourteen Jewel Thefts, Ruth rites, it's strange to 394 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,799 think of Harry Morgan as a criminal. Well, if you think sixteen Jewel 395 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,759 Thefts was stress, then what you would really find strange is the movie Appointment 396 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:12,759 with Danger, where Jack Web and Harry Morgan both play criminals. In fact, 397 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:17,559 the character Jack Web plays is named Joe. It's like the Dragnet version 398 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,319 of the Mere Universe. Then we have an interesting question on YouTube from THEO 399 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,839 who writes, I love it when we find missing or lost episodes. Recently, 400 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,319 Doctor Who used AI to clean up some of their degraded episodes. What 401 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,920 do you think of using AI to recreate lost episodes from scripts that remain Thanks 402 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,319 so much, THEO. AI is a really hot topic right now. I've 403 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,920 got, I guess, an interesting perspective on it, or at least I've 404 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:58,279 got some interesting background in it, given that one of my books was pirated 405 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,400 and used by Meta and Bloomberg to train their AIS. Now I was one 406 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,679 of like one hundred thousand authors, so it wasn't like I was especially singled 407 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,880 out, but that definitely colors my opinion a little bit on this topic. 408 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:22,880 That said, I think that AI can be used as a legitimate tool by 409 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:30,760 writers and artists to aid human creative efforts. I think we've seen humans taking 410 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:37,840 advantage of new tools as computers have come along. For instance, there's no 411 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:45,920 denying that there's some fantastic art in the two D animated films, mostly from 412 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:52,119 the past that is just gorgeous, But there have also been some great films 413 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,480 made using computer animation. I can't say that something like up or in Conto 414 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,679 isn't art because there was computer animation involved. Now at the same time, 415 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:14,199 computer animation has also enabled a lot of very lazily done film, and I 416 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,079 think that's part of the reason why you have so many people who will, 417 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,559 for example, complain about all the CGI and movies. It's just kind of 418 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:29,239 becomes this thing where at first it might have been spectacular, but now it's 419 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,280 just kind of become bog standard, And many people will marvel at watching older 420 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,559 films before computers came along and be like, wow, they use practical effects 421 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:45,280 to make this happen. I've also seen when you take a look at films 422 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:52,239 that are just terribly made. So many of them are just you know, 423 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:59,840 poorly produced by people who didn't even fully understand the software or didn't really want 424 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,840 to put in the time to use the software to get a great result. 425 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,519 And we've already seen that with AI, that there is a kind of lazy 426 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,320 use of it that often leads to the same sort of mediocrity we've seen with 427 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:22,920 poor or bog standard CG. So my general stand on AI is that in 428 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:29,960 principle it can be used to aid artistic efforts and other efforts, but there's 429 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:35,280 going to be a lot of lazy garbage that comes from people who are able 430 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,960 to access it but don't actually understand how it works. Now, when it 431 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:43,960 comes to this, I have two thoughts. First of all, the big 432 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:51,199 difference between Doctor Who and Old Time Radio is that Doctor Who is very much 433 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:59,039 commercially viable. There are millions made on Doctor Who every year and spin off 434 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:07,599 meeting in DVD sales that gives it a level of interest that most other franchises 435 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,719 would not have. Old Time Radio, on the other hand, is not 436 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,480 commercially viable. The vast majority of it isn't. And even that which is 437 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,000 like episodes of the Shadow or something like that, it's not Doctor Who not 438 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,320 in the same league financially at all. So you would need the price of 439 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,400 this technology to come down to such a level that you could essentially have volunteers 440 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:36,559 doing it. But you might be able to do it, should you. 441 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,519 No, not really, at least not in my opinion, I feel like 442 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:46,119 that is really too far. Now, there are some really poor quality old 443 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:52,679 time radio recordings. If you had an AI tool that could clean that up 444 00:37:52,079 --> 00:38:00,239 and make the voices clear, that's fine. I think creating a performance using 445 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,599 the voices of actors who are not with us, this is a lot more 446 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,639 problems. I mean, I think that there are legal issues obviously, because 447 00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:19,360 even with old time radio not being under copyright, a new performance using the 448 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:24,039 voices of those actors that would raise all sorts of questions. Because you know, 449 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:29,239 books can enter the public domain. Is there some point where an actor 450 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,960 enters the public domain? But I really feel like with the best of programs 451 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:40,639 that what makes them great. Makes Bob Bailey's Johnny doll Or great are those 452 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,440 choices that he makes as an actor, those bits of humanity that he puts 453 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:54,000 into his role and trying to create that from whole cloth feels a bit disrespectful. 454 00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:00,159 That's beyond you know, cleaning up audio and cleaning up video, which 455 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:05,519 is what the BBC did. Honestly, if you're going to do anything with 456 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:13,239 fissing radio scripts, have human actors recreate them. There are several different efforts 457 00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:20,320 towards a recreation, and these are not going to be the same as if 458 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:27,079 you're hearing the radio plays, because they're different people, different talents, and 459 00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,440 in many cases you know, they can't use the same music and cues. 460 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:37,920 But what you're hearing in that case is you're hearing the actual actors interpreting a 461 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:44,119 script, giving a performance. And the quality, will you know, vary 462 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,679 from recreation to recreation. There are some excellent groups out there, the Gotham 463 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,920 Radio Players. A few years back they did their own performance of one of 464 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,719 the Missing Dragnet episodes, the Big Cop, and they did a very good 465 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,159 job. It wasn't the same as the original, but it was a valid 466 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:13,119 interpretation. I particularly what stood out to me was the captain in that episode 467 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:21,719 gave a really well deserved SmackDown to a crooked cop and it really came forth 468 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:28,719 that the captain actor was from New York in a very obvious way. You 469 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,360 know, it wasn't over the top, but you wouldn't have heard that in 470 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:39,440 the nineteen fifties on Dragnet. But it was a perfectly valid and really good 471 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:45,639 interpretation of the script. And then you've got things like Hot Copy Radio Theater 472 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:52,000 or the American Radio Theater, and these groups have done US radio scripts, 473 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,480 and I think that's the best approach to them trying to program an AI to 474 00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:02,719 do Jack Web or Bob Bailey or Virginia Gregg's voice. Maybe someday somebody will 475 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,159 do it, but I won't be listening it as always. Thanks for the 476 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,679 question, really to appreciate it. Well, now it's time to thank our 477 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,199 Patreon supporter of the day, and I want to go ahead and thank Tom. 478 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:21,840 Tom has been one of our Patreon supporters since December twenty nineteen, currently 479 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,320 supporting the podcast at the shamous level of four dollars or more per month. 480 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:30,599 Thank you so much for your support, and that will do it for today. 481 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,519 We'll be back next Saturday with another episode of Dragnat, but join us 482 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:40,719 back here on Monday as we begin a new series the adventures of the Falcon. 483 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,119 In the meantime, do send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives 484 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:51,519 dot net, follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out 485 00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:57,800 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 486 00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,039 This is your host, Adam. 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