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description. Welcome to teen Girl Talk, Teen Girl Talk. I'm Suzi Kota,

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I'm Frankcota, and this week we
are the conclusion of the Hunger Games

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trilogy. Uh in j Park two. Yes, a movie that I could

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have sworn I saw before, but
now I don't think I saw a movie

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that has so many nerd people in
it that Frank was constantly like, wait,

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they're in this duke. I didn't
recognize anyone except that lady that tries

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to take the Halla thingy, and
she played Mary Anne, the main ad

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on True Blood as a waiting for
the true Blood to come through. The

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true Blood is always here with us, okay, never worry, true Blood

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is here. Okay, But I
don't what was that IM trying to say.

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I was trying to say Suki or
Suki like Bill is played by a

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British guy who is doing a Southern
accent. Yeah, Bill Compton. Bill,

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that was a terrible Southern accent.
I'm so sorry, please forgive me

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so yeah. But then I kept
saying Snookie, which, oh my god,

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that has someone has to have done
that. I need to know if

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anyone knows of a true blood Jersey
Shore crossover. I must watch it immediately.

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Please email us at Real teen Girls
Talk at gmail dot com. I

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need this in my life. This
is not happened. I need someone to

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please do that. I will get
on fanfiction dote net see what I can

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find. Okay, so I want
like a live action like I want to

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skit. That's only half joking.
They're like, wouldn't this be dumb?

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But actually it would be really cool. I mean I think how many vampires

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do you think the situation would need
to get beat up by? Before he

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realized he could not take vampires?
Okay, when that show started, the

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blood alcohol level of the situation,
like between the alcohol and the pills he

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was on, no vampires would be
interested in him. Honestly, he's squeaky

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clean. Now, good for him. He has I think over five years

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sober. But he just I can't
imagine a vampire being like, yes,

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I didn't mean like to drink.
I meant like you think he beats them

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up? Yeah? Like how many
do you think he would be? He

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would want to fight and like how
easily do you think he'd be defeated?

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This is no shade to the sober
situation, but this situation was known for

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starting fights, and basically his mouth
was writing checks his ass could not cash,

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like everybody else, would end up
in a fistfight and they'd be like,

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how did that happen? It was
like, all right, why can't

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I remember? His name was running
his mouth, Mike was running his mouth,

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and we ended up in fisticuffs.
And meanwhile, Mike's on the side

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like still talking massive amounts shit,
and they're like, but you did not

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fight. So it says a I
want to tell these words that are coming

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out of my mouth are I thought? You realize how insane this is.

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There is no Jersey Shore fan fiction
that is insane and immediately makes me think

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I need to start writing Jersey Shore
fan fiction. And I can't. I

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can't wait to wait. I mean, obviously, I'm immediately it's going to

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be true blood. I'm going to
are you sure it's not listed under Jersey

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Shore family Vacation? So I did. I went on both AO three and

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fanfiction dot net. There's no Jersey
Shore fan fiction that is nuts. I

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mean, Frank, could this be
my calling? Is this my niche?

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I mean, yeah, I would
say that I would say, I see

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this challenge ahead of me, and
I can't wait to get an email from

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I T at work being like,
why are you spending so much time writing

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fan fiction about the Jersey Shore?
And then they're like, but JK,

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it's so good. We've been reading, we've been reviewing. Do you need

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a beta reader and to give you
like thumbs up? How do people express

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their love for fans fiction kudos on
A three? Okay? Do you think

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I would get a lot of kudos
for this? I mean, I'm sure

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there's some part of it, some
part of A three that is desperately missing

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Jersey Shore. Okay? Cool?
So I think. I know we haven't

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talked about the Hunger Games at all, and I'm not sure how we got

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here, but I think that,
oh, because we were talking about True

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Blood, so of course we're talking
about Jersey Shore. I think my first

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Jersey Shore fanfic will be them in
the Hunger Games. I mean, the

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underdog. I think I have to
make Paully win. If Polly is a

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fan favorite, he's fairly innocuous.
There will be a point where Pauli has

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to choose between like Vinnie and he's
not really close to anyone else Vinnie and

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I don't know his mom. Okay, I like, I can't. I

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know they're all friends quote unquote,
but like, I can't imagine where it

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would be sort of a contentious choice. So I'll think more on this.

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Ask me next week. Where I
am on my on my fan fic journey.

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Okay, I mean, you know
I'm as an expert who wrote wrote

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self inserted digitmon fan fiction. I
mean, Frank, if I'm going to

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go to anyone for advice on my
fan fiction, it's you, like what,

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I'm an idiot? Of course I'm
going to go to you. Did

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I did go to a fan fiction
Oh sorry, Frank, just one second.

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I gotta I need to hear this
story, but I gotta let the

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plumber in. So I went to
a fan fiction seminar at Odicon the one

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year we went huh, and it
immediately fell to shipping wars. So I'm

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kind of wondering if that's what you're
gonna end up with, like that people

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are shipping characters or I mean these
are real life people from shows. I

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guess. Like That's my other question
is, since it's reality show fanfic,

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is are is there like a morality
base in there. That is a you

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know what I'm gonna have Okay,
short answer, yes, long answer.

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It would have to be an Anestra
credit where I'd have to talk about it

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because real person fan fiction is a
real thing and it is widely debated amongst

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fans if it's cool or not.
There is a multitude of Taylor Swift fan

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fiction. Okay, So what I'm
gonna say about the Jersey shortcast in general

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is that I think that any of
them would be shocked to know that fan

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fiction exists. I think it would
immediately be dismissed as nerd shit. And

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I'm not particularly worried about them having
like extra time to go and browse.

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And you know, see if they
have fanfic written about them. Yo,

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Paullie, come read this hurt comfort
fix someone wrote about us. What does

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that mean? Her comfort is like
one character is hurt another characters giving them

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comfort? Oh my god, like
that forrest gum fan pick. I don't

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want to talk about that fan fiction. I don't want to explain it.

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I don't want to think about that. Lieutenant Dan was so sad, Sizzy.

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Do you remember how poorly written and
distasteful that fan fistion was not I

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think it was a joke. I
don't think it was written sincerely. That

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would be nuts. Yeah, but
it's still offensive. Yeah it was.

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It was incredibly offensive. Yes,
what I switched to reading the plot line

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of the Flick of Movies. Yes, but okay, I do more to

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blame that fan fiction for because I
started reading the Flick of movie plot lines

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and that let us in April.
April a thing that happened like five to

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six years ago, and we can't
let go. We just can't. We

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were like, it was that bad. A fan of the show that's also

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my friend has been frank, wouldn't
you say every fan of the show is

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also our friend? Yes, or
an acquainted They don't want to get parasocial

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about this. Okay, that actually
makes us sound like we're a lot more

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popular than we are. But sure, proceed. Yes, everybody's our friend,

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you know, every fan of our
show is our friend. But like

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they keep asking for more in April, and I'm like, no, I

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can't. I mean, the roughly
skinny million horse movies have probably been made

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since we did it, what five
years ago? You know what? I

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would go for a Hallmark April or
Hallmark month of movies, because I'm sure

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those are terrible. I'd rather watch
horse movies. That's fair, Okay,

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But yeah, so we open.
I have a question before we get this

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is Hunger Games related? Whiz?
So this was CGI Philip Seymour Hoffmann.

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Yeah, I felt like it was
much more obvious on the big screen than

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it was in this one. Well, they probably also had time to like

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fix it, basically, because there
have been movies where like they get sent

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out and feel like, we'll fix, We'll fix the CG. I want

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to go to streaming, okay,
because that would make sense because I remember

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seeing that. I guess I did
see this one in the theater. I

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feel like it just slid off my
brain because I didn't remember any of the

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stuff that happened, and I think
the stuff I did remember I only remembered

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from the book. But I don't
remember it looking as bad. I feel

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like when I originally saw it,
he had more speaking lines, and in

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this they relegated him more just to
like background stuff. Does that seem right?

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Yeah? Well, like we're not
gonna hang out in District thirteen all

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that much like we you know,
because this movie is about overthrowing the capitol

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in full. But we start there, and that's where I'll start a summary.

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We start there with Catness getting the
neck brace off of her off of

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her throat, and the bruises are
terrible on her and she uh is barely

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able to talk. They want her
to fill more proposts and Catinus is still

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only concerned with Peta. She's like, what's happening with Peta? And then

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we're gonna try something new today,
And the insane idea they're trying today is

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they're like, we're gonna send somebody
in he knows. And then I completely

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forgot this part. I'm like,
oh, I guess, Gail, that's

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kind of weird or like Catness's mom. No, they're sending Prim in to

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talk to Peta. It's a very
strange decision. It's a very strange decision.

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And hey, guys, remember what
what like the one thing you're mocking

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Jay is concerned with is keeping her
sister alive. Maybe don't do that.

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It's similarly to the last one.
They play really fast and loose with Catnus's

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life with Prim's life. Yeah,
Prim goes in there. Peta is just

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like your sister's a mut she's here
to kill us all like she's a tooled

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capital and prim Is just like,
okay, I'm going to bounce by.

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Yeah. Prim Is like this got
scary real fast. This got scary real

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fast. By the way, Yeah, alright, thirteen at this point still

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a baby, still a small child. I know. That's like full time

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employed. Yeah, oh thise thirteen. You got to earn your reels for

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real, like they when we see
the cat later in the movie, I

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was like, how did the cat
make it out of thirteen? You know,

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I mean, that's exactly what I
was thinking. How did the cats?

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Because the cat not only like because
Cattness sees it, swamp potator sees

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it because we know Catness are swamp
potators. And she's like she's like she

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starts yelling at it, and I'm
like, but wait, didn't you bring

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it here? Because did like yeah, who else did? It's not like

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President Coin did. She's done.
So catt this is mom like like,

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it's like, all right, I'm
here. Because Kennes's mom goes to like

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work at District two or something like
healing people because she's you know, like

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I'm gonna just throw myself at the
work or Kale. Yeah, so like

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you know, what I my head
canon is now is that there was like

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one hob a craft like from thirteen. It like him swooping over District twelve,

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which does anybody still live there?
That it was rased to the ground,

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just like I know I thought about
that too, where it just means

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that Peta and Catness are the only
ones there? Are they doing everything?

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Yeah, and just like some it
just like puts the cat out and just

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like you know, he goes trotting
away and movies take off again. Like

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it's so confounding how the cat ended
up there, And I get that the

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whole use reason for the cat is
drama. So yeah, there is no

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District twelve. There's just Catness and
Peta there, I guess, Like,

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I mean, this is us really
skipping to the end. But the other

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part is when we see Catness and
Peta with their children, and reminded me

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of how the Fifty Shades of Gray
movies end, and they ended, you

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know, like ten years after Hunger
Games. But the funny part about the

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way the Fifty Shades a Gray movie
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that they use like a human baby. I'm pretty sure they use a CGI

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baby, and it's so weird because
it is her. It's anastagia saying like,

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oh, you know, someday when
Christian gives in and puts a baby

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in me, it'll look like this. But I'm like, it's her fantasy.

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You can just make the baby look
like whatever. You didn't need to

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like SEEGI a weird baby. The
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I worked at the theater, it
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so we'd be waiting to clean after
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see this bizarre CGI baby every time. Unless do you think that fifty sheetes

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of grey is like, well,
if Twilight's gonna have a CGI baby,

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we need to have a CGI baby. Yes, And speaking with you,

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that's what I was thinking of.
I couldnot remember what movie it was,

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but I was like, oh boy, I can't wait to see the Horrifying

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baby and Breaking Darn part one and
that baby is not horrifying and streaming because

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they fixed it after the fact.
They know. Yeah, So I think

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that's what they did with the phil
Seymour Hoffman CGI where they're just like,

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oh boy, obsessed with the porcelain
renesssume Doll. Here's the other part.

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The reason he needs to see Gi
the Twilight Baby is because it ages like

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a year for every month. There
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baby needs to be CGI. My
favorite thing about like my favorite thing is

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I heard that like Dakota Johnson and
whoever the guy who played Jamie Kennedy experiment.

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Okay, Jamie's something or other,
but I can't remember his last name,

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but I choose to remember it as
Jamie Kennedy. Whoever that was Jamie

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Dooran does dyll no dill? How
familiar are you with the Fifty Shades of

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Gray? Do you love that CGI
baby? He said he only loves that

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scene where she fantasizes about what their
family life is like because the CGI baby

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gives him nightmare. Okay, so
what I was gonna say was, like,

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at all. I see. The
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they were put in a very awkward
situation. Well, I was just thinking

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how fun would be if, like
they had the grease, they never acted

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in the same place. They just
constantly Oh my god, they're both acting

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against Andy Serkis. Well, no, no, no, What I'm getting

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at is like the editor was just
like fuck it, and just like they're

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constantly like switching spots in like a
flash of a second, So like,

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you know what, this would be
so good? Why are more movies like

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this? Like you know, he's
doing that dumb thing where he like pushes

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like what if her name is ho
Nostagia, who cares up against wall and

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like she like she saw all these
like three feet to the left and he's

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just kissing on Andys wearing a green
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to use Andy Cirkis. They just
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and the director is solely in it, so he's like more passionate. Please

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can we take that again? Please
French the tennis ball? How are we

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going to fix this in post?
If you do not look madly in love

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with that tennis ball? Two hundred
takes and that's the best we got.

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Amazing, Or for some reason they
let the actors improv and then in order

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to push back to kissing further and
further, they orchestrate a game of like

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seven minutes in heaven, there's a
spin in the bottle scene that makes no

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sense because it's only two people.
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better one like, yeah, what's
what's the guy's name in this the yeah,

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Christian Gray Christian Cray is like,
no, nostagia, I have a

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new method for us to make love. And he like like he like opens

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up those doors again and he just
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and socks. He's like, we'll
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just like I would be very into
that twist, but if you he has

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to be dead serious about it and
that like it's all the same light.

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And if he sees like her lips
moving, he's like, I can see

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your lips moving, Like they're both
both the puppets are poorly made. And

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I know I don't look at either
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they definitely are like good at arts
and crafts. Yeah, what kills me

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is that, like I don't know, it doesn't matter. So what kills

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me about this scenario is never never
mind, I'm just taking over. I'm

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just thinking about how Dakota Johnson is
going to be Madam Web and a new

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Sony Spider Man's Spider Man property.
What is a Madam Web? Madam Web,

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I here, let me. She's
like Spider Man's magic advisor. Basically,

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he'll only throw you a picture of
her. Spider Man has magic.

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does Spider Man need to be magic? He's always been science based. I

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mean it is a really weird move
to make him magic. Yeah, Like

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there's like, oh, it was
destiny that Spider is gonna bite you here,

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it's going up in the chat of
the Zoom. Thank you going to

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look at it. She looks like
a combination of John Green Goblin. I

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mean, you're not wrong. So
this is the Metal Web from the cartoon.

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different Spider Women. Okay, Sydney
Sweeney is playing one. Okay, she's

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playing Julia Carpenter not now, I
will donate to you later Wikipedia. Then

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there's Aranya and okay, there's just
two Spider women. So Leicester Connor make

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it sound like there's so many.
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called Spider Woman. Oh well,
that is a lot that's that's an embarrassment

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of spider people. And there's another
there is another Spider woman named Silk.

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Just have one of them be called
Silk. But yeah, I mean that

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would make it way less confusing.
Yeah, it's so confounding if it's just

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like they just threw it in like
just a rackney. That was another Spider

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woman at a rackney. But yeah, so it like, what's the trailer?

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It looks bonkers, and as bonkers
is Craven the Hunter. So wait,

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who's Craving the Hunter. Craven the
Hunter is a guy who was hunting

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Spider Man like he was a big
game sport. And now there's a movie

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played where he's played by the guy
from who was Quicksilver in the mcu oh

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from the American Heart Stories. Yes, oh, I had a teen girls

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talk moment last night. I went
to see Aaron Taylor Johnson. Oh that's

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totally not who I was thinking of. I was singing of the other guy,

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the blonde guy who plays Quicksilver in
the X Men movies. Yeah,

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that's Quicksilver, right, yes,
he plays well, yes, all right,

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once again in the chat, here's
Craving the Hunter. Okay, definitely

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by Freddie Merkery, our story blonde
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one I was thinking of. Ye. So last night I was at Here

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We Are And, which was apparently
the last musical that Stephen Sodheim did before

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he passed away and h It was
at the Shed in New York, and

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I was drinking cappuccino waiting for the
doorstopen. I looked over it and I

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was like, holy shit, that's
even Hawk. And I look at the

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bar three feet from me and I
was like, Okay, I'm not gonna

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be a fucking nerd and be like, oh cool, you're eating Hawk whatever.

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look too much or anything, because

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he was with like a group of
people and I was trying to be respectful.

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So I go inside and I'm getting
ex seeded, and the woman next

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to me was like, oh my
god, do you know who Maya Hawk

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is? And I was like,
yeah, her dad's here, and she's

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like, Maya Hawk is right there. She's from that Netflix movie where they

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kill people. And I was like, oh shit, I've seen that,

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but I cannot remember name of it. And then like maybe a minute later,

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she turns to me and she goes
Do Revenge and I was like,

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yes, I have seen that where
they're at the private school, and all

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I could keep thinking I was like, I am shocked, this is shocking

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news. One of the best lines
ever in a movie. And ok ahead,

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so again, I'll finish your story, then I'll I have notes.

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So then she tells me that her
friend worked on the movie on Do Revenge,

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and they had a set of bowling
pins they were throwing out, so

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her friend, her friend worked in
makeup, and her friend took one and

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gave Winter and we were just like, this is crazy that they're there.

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And then at the end of the
play, Bobby Cannavale was one of the

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stars. Ethan Hawk was giving him
double thumbs up during the standing ovation,

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which I thought was very cute bro
supporting bros. Okay, so a few

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notes. One, did you give
Evan Hawk my phone number with and say

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give this to Uma? No,
that would be I think rude, I

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think considered drud. Sorry, Frank, what is the point? Wait?

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Was she in the war? The
war against Grandpa Uma Thurman? Yeah,

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okay, you figure that out.
We really need to stop talking about Yeah,

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she was totally in it well married
to Rob Riggle. They have an

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unhappy marriage. Oh. I was
like, wait what she broke up with

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you? Even hawk? I mean
Frank they got divorced like ages ago.

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Oh oh, I thought they were
still in the work. As Grandpa.

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Rob Riggles's character sees Robert Dediro's character's
penis like multiple times towards the end of

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the movie. Is he just like, come on dad? Did they both

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screamed? Oh? Robert Jadiro falls
out of a window to a bunch Okay,

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just after a few after a few
time, topically, niar to it.

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That's what I think anyway, Okay, I mean he apparently is horrified.

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Yeah, I don't understand. It's
just a penis who cares? So

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okay, so where is that the
point, like like two through the movie,

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apparently like a half hour into the
episode, I mean, okay,

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Well, I mean, there'sn't a
lot of this movie. Honestly, there's

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a This is also like the most
action cut. It's a really hard movie

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to talk about, I think,
especially because of what's been going on lately.

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I think that civilian casualties and like
war crimes are not exactly the fodder

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that teen girl talk is built on. Yeah. I mean, honestly,

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you're right, like, oh,
okay, I'm just like, overall,

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I think it's a really good movie. Yes, I on rewatch. I

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thought that these were a lot better
done than I did when I originally saw

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them. Yeah, I think I
was coming at that with the bias of

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having just read the books. Well. I think also at that point we

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were like that this was the height
of the like the teen dystopian future thing

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there was, you know, like
Hollywood did what Hollywood always does and produce

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like a crap ton of them.
You're like, yes, I get it,

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Hollywood dystopium of teens, and I
don't care. You know, I

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can only see people running through great
empty buildings for so many times, you

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know. I mean, and like
the the different set pieces in this movie

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were so interesting, you know,
because almost every district now is looks like

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twelve. Like there's a point where
they go into District two and when Catnus

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meets the rebels, they give her
the three finger. I guess would that

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be like a salute or I call
it a salute? Yeah, And I

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really am moved every time that happens, Like just that that sign of solidarity

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is so it really is so moving, and this is I had forgotten about

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what President Coin does, and now
I remember why Frank hated Gail. I

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remember in the book. I feel
like, because so President Coin obviously is

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interested in taking President Snow's place,
like she is positioning herself to be the

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obvious and clear not predecessor, uh
successor to President Snow. Marshela Ali's character

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is what's his character's name? Fox? Lieutenant Boggs's the captain. Lieutenant is

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leading this exploratory mission they're following.
The rebels are supposed to be filming propaganda

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movies, but the Capital has placed
a number of different like little bombs and

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things. Uh what was the word
they used for them. They're called pods.

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And he's a captain because Lieutenant Jackson
is under him. And Lieutenant Jackson

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is played by Michelle Forbes, who
I kept to hearing her voice and I'm

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like, why does she sound so
familiar? And I was like, I

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looked her up. I was like, oh my god, she played that

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abject piece of shit Helen Kane on
Bounstock Galactica. Wait, is she the

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one that was also in True Blood? I think so? Yes, Okay,

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she's the one who's like give me
the hollow. Yes, okay,

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yeah, that's Marianne from True Blood. Also Gwendow and Christie. I completely

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forgot she was in here. Like
she's the leader of district too, like

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Sanding, they're all like six or
five feet of her. I'm just like,

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oh, glorious here wait, she's
the one from uh Wednesday, Yes,

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oh okay, yeah, and she's
kicking all the ass on Game of

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Thrones is bringing up tar mm hmm. But I love I love Glenn to

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Christie. I wish she had more
to do in the sequel trilogy. And

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so just getting knocked down a hole, that's like I if that was my

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characters, I'd be like, come
on, guys, I'm fall in a

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hole. That's it. Yeah.
So yes, they're they're called pods,

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and they just they're just full of
unpleasantness for sure. For sure. So

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the thing is like, I don't
really want to talk about, you know,

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this city based warfare because like I
do agree with you, it's over

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our heads and beyond our paychecks,
you know, But I do I want

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to talk about the personal cost this
final push has on everyone, because I

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think that's where the real interesting stuff
is not like you know, the the

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fighting and whatnot. I think that's
that's far less interesting than where everybody kind

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of ends up and what they're going
through. M because I think you were

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starting to say about Bogs, is
you know, at a certain point,

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Gale and Catinus or like, we
need to sneak away so I can kill

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Snow myself and Bogs and like Bogs
reveals I know what you're doing. Don't

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trust coin like Bogs has seen I
guess they're writing on the wall and nos

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coin is just going to be terrible
a Snow and that coin does not care

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about the people or what's happening or
any of it. Yeah, So he

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gives her the hollow and Catin is
like, oh, I had a secret

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mission to go kill to kill Snow, and Jackson's like all right, yeah,

406
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.440
that sounds fine. Later we find
out Jackson is just like that's some

407
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:13.920
horseshit and we all knew it.
Yeah, And what I do like that

408
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.679
where it's basically like, yeah,
no, we're not idiot's. Catinus like,

409
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:21.360
yeah, you know, I forget
one of the books, all right,

410
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.840
but like if you know, I
feel like kat is like, yeah,

411
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.599
totally pull one over the wall overherever
his eyes like she's just let her

412
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:32.800
have this, yeh. Canvas is
not dumb, Like I don't want to

413
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.360
make like sound like I'm making it
silent. Catinus is dumb. Catinus is

414
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.760
just has a very specific set of
skills that includes like put her on the

415
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.760
wilderness. She will keep you and
everyone a lot. But she is not

416
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.280
one for subterfugion. She's one from
showing people against the walls and being like,

417
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.840
I will kick your ass right here, right now, mm hmm when

418
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:59.360
you tell me you like me.
And you know, she is very upset

419
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:06.320
about Peta as well, because he, you know, it's having a lot

420
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:14.000
of trouble, uh knowing what's real
and what's not, and obviously has experienced

421
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:22.679
some incredibly severe trauma and it's really
affecting him in like in his day to

422
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:30.159
day because he, you know,
instinctually he feels like he should be scared

423
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:36.639
of catnus, that catnus is dangerous, but there's this nagging part of him

424
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.119
that's like it, why do I
believe this? Suddenly? Because he's starting

425
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:49.800
to come out of the brainwashing and
the conditioning. Yeah, and like he

426
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.039
he fluctuates between. So there is
honestly what I call a snow White moment

427
00:37:54.119 --> 00:38:00.639
in this movie where Catnus like he's
freaking out and Catinus kiss him and suddenly

428
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.519
the problems are gone, Like he's
no longer attacking people, he's no longer

429
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.400
falling apart as much, like not
as much, but he's not becoming paralyzed

430
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:20.199
as he was before, you know. Uh. And at a certain point,

431
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.280
Gail's like, I'll kill you myself. I was like, you were

432
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.079
just looking for an excuse, weren't
you, Gail. And we also catch

433
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:37.760
Gail inventing this civilian trap stage explosion
thing and wow, it's horrific. So

434
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:44.159
basically he's like, it's just like
Gail is full on in support of whatever

435
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.079
terrible tactic. Snow is about the
fact that the last time we see him

436
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.599
really he's wearing it's still wearing a
uniform and stands at attention, just I

437
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:59.000
feel shows just how far into Coin's
pocket he is. M h. I

438
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:06.320
mean, the really terrible part is
when President Snow basically tells kat And is

439
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.360
like, look, I'm evil,
but the people you're working with are beyond

440
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:16.880
the pale. Yeah, there's a
there's actually there's actually a kind of funny

441
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.760
bit in that in the Batman comics
where the Joker meets this guy named Tobias

442
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:30.039
Whale, who's one of those like
and Ron's scammer guys, and the joke,

443
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.559
I mean this is like he's he
Joker meets him in the Showers of

444
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:38.400
Arkham, and the Jokers just like, hey, buddy, I'm just throwing

445
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:43.360
this out there. I have absolutely
never respect for you. I kill people.

446
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.199
I'm a pretty bad guy. I
never went after a little old ladies.

447
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.880
He's retirement funds or kids college funds, so you know, I you

448
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:57.480
know, fuck you basically. Yes. Snow actually reminds me of this or

449
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.320
three at the end of the Animals
books where he's just kind of defeated.

450
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:06.239
He's like, yeah, I was
just gonna give in. Because there's this

451
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:13.800
bit at the in the last Animals
book where they're storming the the main mothership

452
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:19.599
of the Years and they come across
a yeark pool which has every year on

453
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.320
Earth in it and some and Ats
is like, yeah, he says,

454
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:30.920
Prince Jake, I can drain the
pool into space. And Jake like he's

455
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:35.400
like, there's over like a billion
years in this pool and Jake says,

456
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.920
drained them. They knew what.
They came here on their own accord.

457
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:45.280
WHOA. Yeah. There's a point
later in the book where Viscer three is

458
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.440
put on trial for war crimes and
Vier three is lawyer while Jake's on the

459
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.599
stand versus Vase lawyers, like,
if you're calling my client a war criminal,

460
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.679
he's also a war criminal. Yeah, it's the animals. Books are

461
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:06.639
so intense that fourteen year old is
a war criminal. Like I look at

462
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.599
it, and I'm like, but
he's not wrong. Well, yeah,

463
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.280
that's that Jake thinks to himself.
He's like, I just did that a

464
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.960
vengeance. There was no strategy in
that move. I just did that.

465
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.800
Like he feels terrible about it for
like the rest of his life. And

466
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.599
like he gets to Visit three,
and Viser three is their main threat,

467
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:30.880
like because he has an antelite body
so he can morph like they can't.

468
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.159
And he's collected aliens all over the
world with like one thing is that they're

469
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.159
they're killing capability. But they get
to like the bridge, and Viser three

470
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.360
is just looking at his you know
friends out in space. He's like,

471
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.880
yeah, whatever, man, I
give up. I'm done, Like I

472
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:52.760
just saw almost my entire race wiped
out. I'm done here, so and

473
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.679
that's kind of where Snow is right
now. Snow is just like I was

474
00:41:54.679 --> 00:42:00.639
getting right or just surrender. They
killed everyone that's on you. And that

475
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:09.199
leads us to the stage execution of
Snow by Catnus because Coin wants to have

476
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:15.679
a capital children only Hunger Games,
which was so nuts. Yeah, and

477
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.480
you know if Snow, if Coin
came into power, that would not end

478
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.400
there. It would just keep happening. I mean, it's this moral relativism

479
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:36.639
that we saw in the Ballad of
Songbirds and Snakes, where uh, Snow

480
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:42.719
was always sort of like moving the
line and going over it, and it

481
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.679
you know, in the most basic
sense, it's an absolute power corrupts absolutely

482
00:42:49.079 --> 00:43:00.199
and Coin is power hungry and they
who is it that tells Catness that her

483
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:05.599
dying would be in service of Coin
getting elected, and Coyinn sees her as

484
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.519
a challenge her team, Like I
think if it's Bogs or Jackson, I

485
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.000
think it's Bogs. Like somebody says, like, if you die, it's

486
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.199
better for everyone, Yeah, because
you're going to come back, You're gonna

487
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:21.559
have a lot of say and whoever
you back, that person will definitely become

488
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:25.280
the president. Yeah, and Coyn
doesn't really want to take her chances because

489
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.880
Coyn didn't want to deal with her
in the first place, and Quyn wanted

490
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.000
to rescue Peeda in not Cannus.
Yeah, there's actually there's actually a bit

491
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:42.920
kind of like this or kind of
against this. In Baosarclatica, in the

492
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:49.559
very first episode, Commander of Dama
gives this speech and he is talking about

493
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.800
like, we followed the Sylons for
our survival, but at no point did

494
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.360
we ever wonder did we deserve to
survive? Why do we get to live

495
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.320
while they don't? And he points
out it's not about just surviving. You

496
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.719
have to earn the right to survive
through your actions, and Coin does not

497
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.320
allow that. Like for for the
districts, I think the other the other

498
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:14.679
districts, you know, we or
the other the next president Pray Laura I

499
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.960
think her name is, does that. But she's like, we're not having

500
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.239
a hunger games. That's done.
That's no longer a thing that's happening.

501
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:29.960
We're gonna free elections. So and
so, when Catus has been staying in

502
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:37.440
the palace and when she goes out
to the greenhouse and uh there are guards

503
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.320
outside who are like, uh,
no, you can't go in there,

504
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:51.199
and Taylor says any she is,
uh, I don't know. She didn't

505
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.079
say welcome, but basically that anything
in there is her property too. So

506
00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:02.679
they let her in and Snow is
there in among his genetically engineered roses,

507
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.760
and he seems just delighted to see
her. He's clearly dying. They have

508
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:15.159
sort of planted this when his assistant, like his right hand, comes and

509
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:21.280
tells him that Catenus in her team
didn't perish in one of the many explosions.

510
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.880
They're actually in the sewers, and
that's when we get the whole scene

511
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.840
with the sewers. So now we
see him again and he looks worse,

512
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.480
and Catness confronts him, and this
is where he tells her the bad news

513
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:40.119
of the people she's working with and
that you know, Coin's going to move

514
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:47.800
in. So then when they have
the sort of it's not a hearing like

515
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.480
the in the public square, they're
going to have the execution of Snow,

516
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:59.000
and Cattiness says that she wants to
be the one to do it, and

517
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.960
President Coin, since of course you
know I would expect no less. So

518
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.960
Coin gives this flowery speech and then
Catness aims her arrow at Snow, who

519
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:15.480
seems so chill for being prepared to
die. And then Catness shoots Coin.

520
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:22.920
And I really like this choice by
Donald Sutherland to just break out like cackle

521
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.440
laughing, and he has blood on
his teeth, and then the crowd.

522
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.960
At first I thought the crowd was
upset about President Coin, but it's actually

523
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.679
just that President Snow hasn't been killed, so then they tear him apart with

524
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:42.000
their bare hands. See that's why
I would be okay with taking the bow

525
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:46.519
and arrow, because Bolaro seems a
lot quicker than that. Yeah. The

526
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.760
thing is with this shot is I
think it would have been a way more

527
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.760
interesting shot if they did they she
shoots Coin and we see coins start to

528
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.559
fall. I think it would have
been way more interesting. They never did

529
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.599
a close up just to kind of
show, just like I know, the

530
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:10.519
smallness of her influence are just like
she suddenly was this tiring figure and now

531
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:19.079
she's much smaller in death and once
her power is gone from her, So

532
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:24.840
yeah, she Catinus also tries to
swallow her night lock berry or nightlock pill

533
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:31.880
which were suicide pills given to the
Catinus's team, and Peter stops her and

534
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.159
they drag her away, and I'm
sure there's a part of her it's like,

535
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.880
well, they're gonna kill me anyway, and now she's just gonna be

536
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:45.320
more public. Yeah, but she
just gets shipped home. And I want

537
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:51.719
to talk about e Fie. Effie
continues to break my heart in these in

538
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.239
this, in Catching Fire, in
this movie. In the last movie,

539
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.639
she was just kind of annoyed constantly, which I thought was really funny.

540
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:04.360
Yeah, but you know, Effie
is her gets her ready. She's like,

541
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.239
you're looking beautiful as always, one
last successory and like gives her her

542
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:14.840
boat, her arrows, and she's
like now for this, And like,

543
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:20.440
I really like Effie continues to wear
the trappings of the Capitol. She's back

544
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:25.000
in her wigs and her dresses,
but like it's much more muted. She's

545
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:31.920
wearing mostly just like grays and whites
now m and and she always looks like

546
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:38.199
she's not wearing the fake lashes and
like doing all that stuff with her eyebrows.

547
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:44.639
Yeah, and like I feel like
she's just understands now the weight that

548
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.159
these you know, children are under
and she's like, I don't want to

549
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.840
send this child out to like go
shoot a man, Like I know what

550
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.000
that'll do to her. It'll be
bad. Yeah. No. And then

551
00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:02.039
when the last time we see her, she she goes to she's seeing them

552
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.519
off on the train, seeing Hamidge
and Cattiness off on the train back to

553
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:14.719
District twelve. So I guess Hamage
is there too, somewhere. But I

554
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.960
think we can just assume people eventually
return to District twelve and rebuild her.

555
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.119
Yes, so we won't see them, thought, well, I mean we

556
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:29.480
didn't, you know anyway, So
she sees I feel what she says exactly

557
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:34.199
to Catenus but just like, oh
now you get to have the life of

558
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:38.400
a victor and like basically try and
find your happiness. And she goes off,

559
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:45.920
and you know, she says goodbye
to Hamidge to and ask him to

560
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.800
look after her, and like she
lets a few tears fall. And I

561
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.119
really think that's because she doesn't think
she'll ever see Cattinus again, not for

562
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.719
like Cateness not wanting to return to
the capitol. But I think she thinks

563
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:04.199
cat This will just let herself waste
away, you know, And you know,

564
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:13.679
like the likelihood of them crossing paths
again is very small. We get

565
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:20.360
that letter that was written from Plutarch
and read by Hamage where he talks about

566
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.440
having to distance himself from catness and
that if there was another way that he

567
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:31.320
could have accomplished, but they accomplished
without sort of sacrificing catness, he would

568
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:37.880
have but he really doesn't know what
that would have been. Yeah, and

569
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:44.239
I don't I'd rather I don't really
want to talk about Frien's death. It

570
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.639
happens in front of Catnus and that's
all I really want to bring off about

571
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:53.679
it. And she, you know, we were talking about it before that.

572
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:58.199
She encounters the cat whose name I
can't remember, but it doesn't really

573
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.480
doesn't really matter, and she just
starts screaming at it. And this cat

574
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.679
is the kit is huge. This
cat is huge. It's so so chill

575
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.519
because she just she's throwing items at
this cat and just because us to sit

576
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.519
there and hits at her, she
picks it up as she's c even his

577
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.079
frank it's just looking around. Oh
yeah, no, I think if I

578
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:24.480
move too quick around my cat.
He's like this cat she's smashing coffee mugs

579
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:30.360
around it, and it looks like, what's going on in the next zip

580
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.159
code if I dropped a coffee mug
in the same room as him, not

581
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:39.079
threw a coffee mug at him.
Yeah, So she picks him up because

582
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:43.119
she keeps telling him Prim's not here, you need to go. Basically,

583
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:45.280
she's like, get out of here. And the Cat's like, what,

584
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.199
I'm just a baby, just a
giant baby. He's like, I'm just

585
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:58.079
a dumb baby. I have lived
everyone. Basically things are still going great

586
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:05.159
in Cat's life. Yeah, so
I just want to like, but we

587
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:12.320
also get to see her hunting still, and we have this shot of her

588
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.719
looking out over the fields and there's
no more fences and whatnot, and the

589
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:24.760
you know, considering how muted the
original the first movie was like this less

590
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.559
the less moments of this film end
in sunlight, and I think that's such

591
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:35.920
a smart choice because like she is
like out there at the dawn and she's

592
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:37.719
looking out, you know, out
over her land that she fought for.

593
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:44.159
She shoots a turkey and is taking
it home. And then as she comes

594
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:50.719
home, she sees Peta planting something
in their in their shared courtyard. And

595
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.280
I might not be able to get
through this without crying or getting choked up.

596
00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:00.000
It's Primrose. Yeah, and you
know his thought was, oh,

597
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.119
now, like she can have Primrose
near her again, and like Peter is

598
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:08.800
so sweet, like he's such a
good one. She is the right choice.

599
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:13.320
The fact that they ever tried to
posit this as if it was a

600
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.519
love triangle, Like there's a point
in this movie where Gale's like, well,

601
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.840
I guess natural selection will decide who
cat this is gonna be with,

602
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:28.159
Like, no, it's it was
self selection because you're a monster and guilty

603
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:34.480
of war crimes. Much like Twilight, much like Twilight Eclipse, like there

604
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:39.719
is a conversation between two men over
a woman over which one she's going to

605
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.440
choose, except unlike in Twilight,
nobody falls in love with a baby.

606
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:54.159
Yeah, yes, never forget Frank. So they end up having two kids.

607
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:58.519
I don't know if they are given
names, and I honestly don't want

608
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:04.159
to bother looking them up. I
think the kids' names are Plutarch and Coin.

609
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:12.840
You're named after the two most implicitous
people I've ever known. Pu Tark

610
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:19.320
Coin You're named I'm trying to remember
that's from Harry Potter, right, Yes,

611
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:23.159
Alvis Potter, You're named it to
two of the bravest men. I

612
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:30.719
love that that he came around completely
on Severest Snape a man who hated him

613
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:35.679
because he was hot for his mom. This man who verbally abused me constantly.

614
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.159
Uh, I know for Harry Potter
was like this down trodden child,

615
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:45.960
and sever a Snape was like,
I'm a professor who can't get over the

616
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.840
fact that I was into your mom, like fifty years ago. Yeah,

617
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:57.599
remember how weirdo? Like, get
over it, dude. If you asked

618
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.280
me the name of people I had
crushes on in high I really have to

619
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.119
dig. I'd be like, oh
god, I don't know. Ask me

620
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.079
thirty years from now, and I'd
be like, what who I don't I

621
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:14.719
didn't go to high school. I
certainly wouldn't be like I hate your children.

622
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.119
It's why people need to move out
of their hometown. You just get

623
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.280
caught up in this kind of stuff. Connor Todd, No, that's the

624
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:28.559
lead thing of bright Eyes in the
Fame, respectively. But I'll never I

625
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:35.159
can't unsee that picture of Connor as
Peter Pan. I sent it to Beth

626
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:39.559
on Thanksgiving, like without context.
I keep trying to make this joke,

627
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.159
and like, this will be the
third time I'm trying to make it,

628
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.119
and I'm like, it's not worth
it anymore. No, go ahead and

629
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.480
say it. You gotta say it, MONZRELLI Stick's chicken fingers Potter, You're

630
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.360
named the two most delicious appetizers on
the MEDU. No, it wasn't worth

631
00:55:52.360 --> 00:56:00.239
it. You were right. Okay, So obviously we recommend this film.

632
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.920
I remember recommend the whole Quintology at
this point. But what I was gonna

633
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:07.199
say is, if you're in a
vulnerable place, I wouldn't watch them.

634
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.719
They're pretty upsetting. Oh no,
no, no, no, no no.

635
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.039
Yeah. And in the words of
TLC, don't go chasing this waterfall

636
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.760
stick to the like Twilight. I
guess I've heard good things about Scott Pilgrim

637
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:25.760
takes over the new Scott Pilgrim anime
where everybody they brought everybody back from the

638
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.119
original movie. Oh okay, I'll
go and see the Marvels. I'm still

639
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.679
really up on the Marvels. I
think that movie is very good, despite

640
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.480
like what all the angry men on
the internet want to say about it.

641
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.000
It is why is anyone even paying
attention to them? Anymore like Kamala Kahn

642
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.079
and man Vellani is amazing in it. She's the heart of the movie.

643
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:51.880
There. The three actresses have really
good chemistry. There's some great cat moments

644
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:59.760
in that movie. And I don't
I'm gonna spoil it. Well a record

645
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.920
pinge drop or whatever it is that
I don't want to record drop, record

646
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:10.960
drop, you know, need drop? Thank you got there? A needle

647
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.920
drop that is so so funny,
Like people applauded it in the theater.

648
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:21.920
I was in. Okay, Well
that is a glowing recommendation. What are

649
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:27.000
we doing next week? Well,
Sissy Marckey J. Part two, which

650
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.199
this is this is a pretty aggrandizing
name for how somber this This episode was

651
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:40.840
we're now entering Deadly December. Yeah, what is what is our first installment

652
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.800
of Deadly December? Well, it
would be this because it's coming out on

653
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:52.719
this third Wait, what's it good? The second? Well, this were

654
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:57.000
watching Mackey J. Part two is
technically the beginning of Deadly December. But

655
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.039
next week we're going to start in
earnest five Night to Freddy's another Josh Hutchinson

656
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.800
movie. Amazing, No, I
realized it was so angular in these movies

657
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.000
like I was watching and I was
like, oh, he has like such

658
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.559
like a strong jaw line. Yeah, he's a good looking dude, the

659
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:21.960
cheekbones. And I just realized we
show have done something like Hungry for Turkey,

660
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.320
Hunger Games November or something, and
we never do. That's a really

661
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:30.639
poor taste. Frank, I don't
know. Yeah, I mean about the

662
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:36.239
district starving. We're not gonna think
it about Thanksgiving. Jesus, Well,

663
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.039
it would, it would fit into
anachronistically remembering Thanksgiving being better than it was.

664
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.920
I mean, I guess from a
historical standpoint. I mean it's more

665
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:57.000
like you're uh miscategorizing like the meaning
and uh sort of death of the holiday.

666
00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.320
But sure so five nights of Freddy's
Ready for Jump Scares. If I

667
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:04.400
can't sleep, I blame you,
and I'm gonna call you every time I

668
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.079
wake up from a nightmare. My
housemate watched the movie. There's only one

669
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:13.599
jump scare in it? What?
Why did Why? It was the theater?

670
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.400
Why was the theaters? I had
read on the movie theater subreddit that

671
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:23.199
the theaters were disaster and people were
blaming jump scares for that. Well,

672
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:29.000
it's because these movies are primarily a
children. Yeah, okay, yes,

673
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:35.559
I mean that these games a lot
of streamers got into them, and kids

674
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:43.760
watched streamers. So because which would
call it the one of the latest episodes

675
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.320
of Mom Can't Cook? They're talking. I think it's called like the Phantom

676
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:52.239
of the Cineplex. And one of
the hosts that podcast worked at a movie

677
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.360
theater which Shrek three came out,
and I immediately knew what he was talking

678
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.719
about when he was like the devastation
that was a theater after a screening of

679
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:08.079
Shrektory, because cleaning theaters after a
kid's movie gets out is like the worst,

680
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:15.320
the worst, It's so gross.
Yeah. But yeah, and before

681
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:21.079
we get into this is the listeners, I'm making you a pledge. I

682
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:24.760
am going to do my damnedest to
find a few hours this weekend to try

683
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:29.880
and understand what the hell is going
on in the rich five nights of Freddy's

684
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:35.199
Backstory. Yeah. I started watching
the event of the Jedi video about it

685
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.719
before I knew we were doing it
for the podcast, because I really do

686
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:42.960
try to go into stuff like this
cold, like, without any influences.

687
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.519
And she didn't know about the Deep
lore, but has heard that there is

688
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:52.280
deep lore. So it's basically like
all of us have heard rumors that there

689
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:58.559
may be deep lore to five Nights
of Freddy's. We've heard of the we've

690
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:05.320
heard of the rich that we must
you know, extra extra excavate. Yes,

691
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.760
so I would love if you could
give us an overview and we could

692
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:14.760
see how faithful this is, what
a faithful retelling this movie is. Sorry,

693
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:20.239
Josh Hutchinson, Yeah, I have
to say I missed the Stanley Tucci

694
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.440
in this one. He was there, but he's a lot less fun when

695
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:29.000
he's just reporting propaganda and lies.
Yeah. Well, no, I wasn't

696
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.440
talking about Jason Schwartzmann. I'm saying
I miss Stanley Tucci in this last Hunger

697
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:36.320
Games movie because we didn't get to
see him at all. He's there,

698
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:42.559
when was he there? What he's
He's announces that Catnus is dead and oh

699
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.639
okay, well he's barely there.
Yeah, he's pretty like I said,

700
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:49.920
he's freaky seditional laws. Oh that's
true. So you can run us a

701
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.199
real teen girls talk at gmail dot
com. We have a Facebook group at

702
01:01:52.239 --> 01:02:13.519
Pages of Frank Moderates and until next
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