Welcome to Spacing Out with Beebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four
episode fifteen, No Exit. Welcome back. I'm Bbe and I'm Jason,
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but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar
Galactica Season four episode fifteen, No Exit. This originally aired on February thirteenth,
two thousand and nine, was written by Ryan Modishard, directed by Gwyneth
Horder Peyton. The survivor count in this episode was thirty nine thousand, five
hundred and fifty six, which is down forty seven from last week. A
lot of people were lost during the revolution. Yeah for the coup. It's
only a revel solution if it succeeds. Oh okay, Yeah the Kuba In
this episode, after resurrecting from her death on New Caprica, Ellen Tie is
held captive by Cavil aboard a base ship Boomer eventually freeze Ellen and the two
escape on a raptor on Galactica, and There's undergoes emergency surgery and begins to
recall the truth about the Cylon race. Funeral informs a Dama about the extent
of Galactica's damage, and rosalind Lee discuss how to begin rebuilding the civilian government.
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand
the test of time? All right, vibe check. I feel like it
was pretty boring compared to the last two. It's definitely a change of pace
from the action packed insurrection episodes. Yeah, it's very much like an information
dump, giving us a lot of backstory, and you know, I don't
hate it. I like learning about the lore the Cylons, but it is
like it's a lot and it's not that well balanced it. Yeah, that's
kind of basic. And we had Ellen doing a lot of like exposition,
and then we also had Bonders doing a lot of exposition. It was just
like so heavy on the Cylon lore that I was just like over it.
I'm like, who cares? And they didn't even explain that stupid song.
Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it, just feels like a lot
of a lot of B stories with no a story going on. Yeah,
I just I don't hate it, but I don't love I wasn't excited about
it. I wasn't engaged. It was easily it was something that I was
easily distracted for, like there's more interesting things happening on my phone. Last
episodes, I like put my phone down. I was like, wully there,
So it just yeah, I like zoned in and out, like I
was just like not feeling it and then there was Yeah, it was just
not for me. I could have skipped this EPISOD so it had been totally
fine. I'm glad we know what happened, Honors, but may Yeah,
I mean I don't know that it's skippable in the long run, because yeah,
I mean you'd be a little lost if you've skipped it, just with
Ellen and what's going on with the Galactica and that stuff. But yeah,
so it's not really filler, but it is a definitely it's a different episode
and it's a different pace, and I don't like the change of pace personally.
Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for no exit? Any trivia
for this episode? Yeah, so we got A new intro sequence has made
for this episode to set up that this is a Cylon focused episode. No
Exit is also the title of a nineteen forty four existentialist play by Jean Paul's
Sartre. The story references three people who are trapped in hell, shown as
a stately room with chairs and sofas. The play contains a notable line,
hell is other people. I like that. That's pretty good. Some of
the ramblings from Anders are from the sixteen sixty seven epic poem Paradise Loss by
John Milton. The poem concerns the biblical story of the fall of Man and
the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Pieces of Ellen's story were originally going
to be told alongside the Insurrection arc. Did that kind of makes more sense?
Like pacing wise was like, Yeah, you could have had more balance,
but it might have taken away from how awesome those episodes were. Yeah.
The backstory of the Cylon Daniel was created to explain the numbering issue with
these Cylon models. So Sharon was numbered eight before the concept of the Final
five was conceived, and thus they needed to explain why there are only seven
models of the human cylons. They couldn't squeeze one more in, well,
then that would make the total thirteen. And they said there was eleven or
what they said, there's twelve from the very beginning, so they numbered them
wrong. Yeah, because originally they thought like, we're just going to have
twelve models that all have a number, and they gave Sharon number eight,
and they had number six, and they eventually filled in the other one through
thirteen twelve five, so they had they had one, two, three,
four, five, six, and eight and then they had the final five.
So all of those out of the twelve, but we're missing number seven.
Oh okay, So they couldn't just say there was a final four.
We could have gotten rid of Tory or something just saying leak. No.
The writers also thought it made a good character point for Cavil to have had
him eliminated one of his one of his brothers, kind of making a Cane
and Abel type thing. All right, all right, that brings us into
the okay boomer part of trivia. Okay boomer, let's look at any connection
to the original Battlestar Galacticas series. So Daniel is the name of the main
character on the prequel series Kaprica and is the creator of those centurions. And
Anders says that the Cylons had developed the hybrids and then stop the war so
they could focus on building the humanoid Cylons. This is a key element element
in the Battlestar Glack. To get a prequel Blood and Chrome, which documents
young William Adama's experiences during the First Cylon War, they get a Mexican or
a brown person to play him as a young adult or a young person.
I think so. See, I put blue contacts on them, motherfucker.
They would have to. Yeah, Luke Pasqualino, Okay, does he look
like a young Edward James Almos? I don't know. No, No,
a young Edward James Almos still looked like Edward like he does when he's old.
He like hardly aged. Yeah. So the episode kind of ties into
a couple of these prequel series that come out, which I do think will
cover at some point, but probably not right away, and maybe not every
single episode either. Just thoughts Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of
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let's dive into this book of an episode. Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like I don't even know. I guess. The first thing we
see is Ellen and do Yeah, we get kind of a unique opening sequence
that leads us right into her like death and rebirth. It was nice to
see her life kind of flash before her light, like her eyes or whatever.
Ye as she reawoke and then she's fucking freaking out because old Ellen is
still like on the surface. And then as she kind of settles into like
where she's at, she realizes who she is and she starts talking to the
Centurion and being like, you can help me, It's no problem. You
know him on bro. Then I guess through her scenes we learn kind of
about her dynamic with Cavil, and we get all this backstory about what Cavil
did and what his kind of motivations are. He hates that he was designed
after humans. He hates his goofy eyes. Yeah, he hates the limitations
of He's like I want to smell gamma rays, I want to fart sequence
like calm down, I want to take a ship in the black hole.
Yeah, but yeah, he was just like super salty that he has to
poop in a toilet and he has regular vision. Yeah, And Ellen is
calling him out for trying to say that he's such a like an advanced perfect
machine capable of you know, everything, but he's so driven by human emotions
of vengeance and rage and jealousy. And he called it justice, which I
thought was like, yeah, sounds familiar. Yeah, and we've all we've
seen that, Like Cavill's been kind of the leader of the cylons, but
we really see that, like this is all like his personal vendetta that he's
kind of got everyone following along, and Sharon is part of it, Like,
and I like that they introduce her as like his most devoted follower and
then that she slowly learns who he truly is, and she she changes her
mind about him and who he what her role isn't it? Which Ellen pointed
out, like you do you want to be on this side? Do you
want to like really go down in history as being on this side? And
I think she changes her mind rightfully, So Yeah, and that's a that's
Boomer specifically. Yeah, all the other Sharons are not part of that group,
right, She's like the lone Sharon who went against everybody when they did
that vote and it made everything kind of off kill her and she kind of
helped start that civil war between the Cylons. Basically, whoops, and now
she's change Gina Ryan. Whoops? Did I do they? But that I
thought that was really interesting that they had those two women talking about like their
roles and how society would perceive them based on how they decided to choose sides
and stuff. That was kind of interesting. Kind of boring too. So
the Ellen scenes, they also take place over a long period of time,
right, there's flashbacks, and that was confusing to me. We're cutting back
and forth between present day with Anders and back in the time with Ellen because
it starts, you know, right, she resurrects right after she was killed
on New Caprica, right, and then you know, they skip over chunks
of time and it's like, oh, now the humans destroyed the Resurrection ship
and so it's like Cavils like freaking out and asking Ellen for help, and
but we're still on present time. It was confusing. I just didn't like
it. Yeah, they didn't do a lot to contextualize that to help you
like piece together like how much time has passed? But yeah, so Anders
is getting prepped for surgery and what's the name, Doc Coddle. Right,
He's like, we're gonna need a specialist, but first I'm gonna drill into
his head. And Starbucks like, well, we should get the specialist right
now, and he's like, ah, I can drill, it's no big
deal. And then as he's drilling, apparently he unlocks all of Anders's old
memories from being a cylon and he's like a fountain of knowledge, but also
like he has words salad. Yeah, so it's like really confusing sometimes to
follow along with what he's saying. Yeah, it was interesting. I thought
his performance was good. Yeah, they're very lucky that they have a brain
specialist in the fleet. Yeah, it's unfortunate that it's that guy, because
he's pretty annoying. Yeah, he's like I feel like I've seen that guy
play that same kind of character of like this nerdy type before. He feels
like he's out of like sitcom like Bones or is a show like that,
like a procedural that Yeah. So yeah, but he seemed like very disconnected
from the emotions in the room like most surgeons. Honestly, he's just like,
I'm super excited to get a new brain to work on. But I
thought it was interesting that Anders like gather them up, I need to talk
to them, and they all showed up for him. I thought that was
really special. Yeah, because they haven't heard from him in a long time
when he's like, he hasn't called them, so it's nice that they're all
waiting for him. It was interesting that, like, as he's telling them
this backstory, one of their main concerns is like who is at fault for
everything that's happened? Like, are are we the final five at fault for
like building these other cylons and continuing this cycle of destruction? Or like do
you go back a step further? It's like, well, the humans on
Kobal built us, so it's the humans and tie even like takes that logic
all the way back to like, well, at some point a germ split
in two and caused all this. Yeah, they're really concerned about like the
pr of all this knowledge. Yeah. I don't think Condors is really catching
their vibe too hard though. We also learned that Chief Tyrrell and Tori were
lovers in their former life. They were happy and getting married and Chief Tyroll
just looks over at Tori and giggles. I thought that was cute. She's
like, I killed your wife. Nobody knows that. Plus he hated the
cabbage sent to her, and she was a cheater, a cheater who let
him believe that she was burying him a son. They bad mouthed Callie so
much after she left the show. So do you understand, like the Cylon
history, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I
really don't care. It's it's not relevant to me, even though at the
very beginning of the show they were like, this has happened before and it
will happen again, so it feels like it should be relevant. But I
don't care. I don't care. I want to see the drama and the
conspiracy and all of the other shit that goes along with every day now present
I am. I am invested in the present. I'm not a bitch who
likes to look back, and I'm not really interested in looking forward because that's
not like for sure either. So let's talk about today today. We are
here and it doesn't fucking matter who's responsible for what, Like that's in the
past. We are now here. How can we fix it? How can
we make today better? But yeah, I don't know. I acknowledge the
past and I understand it's relevant, but it's not something that we need to
completely let us like like it shouldn't be something that it's gonna slow us down
from having progress today. And I feel like this episode really slowed us down
so that there was no progress. There was no action. Like the one
thing that maybe was an action was the storyline with a Dama in chief.
That was like one thing that was like a problem resolution bam. Everything else
was questioning was like hung up in the air or you know, Anders wakes
up brain dead, so we're done. Yeah. No, I was just
asking because you've you've asked a lot of questions over time regarding the cylons and
like just the understanding of the final five are different cylons and the other seven.
Yeah, I guess it's it's weird, but I don't I wish they
would have explained it more interesting, show me, don't tell me, you
know, yeah, because that would be more exciting, like if they if
they did flashbacks, like if Anders was like I remember everything and then we
flashed back and saw Chief Tyrrell and Tory like happily married and like in love
and shit, and then we cut back to them and be like, ill,
that would have been more exciting to me. That would have been more
engaging if we would have seen it in their like Cylon world, putting together
like the Resurrection ship and doing all this stuff. But you're just telling me.
I'm like bored, I don't care. I want to see it.
This is a fucking sci fi show. Show me the sci fi. So
that's why I wasn't engaged. I was just like, oh, there he
goes again telling his stories. So I should mention the movie The Plan,
which they've talked about several times throughout the series, that they made the movie
after the series finale had wrapped. But if you were doing more of a
chronological watch, the place to watch The Plan would actually be right after this
episode, because you in this episode you learn all about what Cavil did to
like put the Final Five on Earth with new memories and then hope to have
them work it. We'll have them die in the nuclear holocaust. So the
Plan kind of goes back and shows a lot of that and how the Final
Five survived and end up in the fleet, and then what the Cylons were
continuing to do throughout the first couple of seasons of the show. Yeah,
and we'll talk about it when we do cover the Plan. But I don't
think the Plan is the greatest ending to the series. I think it actually
works better because it is it is kind of a backstory thing a lot like
this episode, but it shows more than tells. But it is they had
more money for the set design or something kind of. I mean, it
also re uses a lot of footage from the first couple of seasons as it
fills in gaps. But anyway, I just wanted to mention that. Yeah.
The other thing the episode was Chief Tyrell discovering how broken Galactica is after
all the abuse ship's been through. I like when Admiral Adama was like,
are you saying they cut corners and he's like, yeah, I'm saying they
cut corners. It was like, oh shit. He didn't realize that the
military would cut corners when building something that was supposed to be important for the
safety of others. Crazy, Oh my god. But it was funny to
me that he was like, no, we're not using cylon technology. This
is going to be fixed. Like if you can't fix it, then we're
just going to have to deal with it, and then he goes to his
bathroom and he finally notices the big giant crack in the wall, and he's
like, oh my god, okay, fix it. It's happening in my
house. Yeah, in my bathroom, the place where I take off all
my clothes. No way, that's his most vulnerable space. So he's agreeing
to using this like biological resin that the cylons have that will grow and mold
itself into the cracks or something and take on the load of the weight bearing
beams, and so it sounds great, like, Okay, let's do it.
I wouldn't have even been like, let me think on it. I'd
be like, okay, let's try it. Like fuck it, I only
have one ship, you know. I fucking destroyed the Pegasus doing that other
fucking invasive maneuver, so I don't have any backups. Yeah, but he's
a little hesitant, I guess, because you know, people just tried to
assassinate him for being too close to the cylons. So he's like, hey,
yeah, but like the thing that was to me, I feel like
it's almost hypocritical because he was willing to put new jump drives and everybody else's
ship and now when it's his ship and it needs cylon technology, he's like,
whoa, there, hold your horses. But yeah, I can tell
that he's hesitant because he's like, Okay, I'm gonna let you be in
charge, but it's going to be an all human crew, no cylons,
Yeah except for you. And then the thing. I thought it was funny
that Chief was having to correct almost every single group of people in there,
And I'm like, I bet he wouldn't have to do that if he was
working with cylons. They wouldn't be doing it wrong and stupid like people do.
The cost of a human crew. Human error is bound to happen,
all right, Well I got nothing else, you got nothing else on that.
I thought it was funny. I like that he invented a beam that
can look through the metal without having to like scoot over, like make sure
you don't get hit with this. Who knows what kind of ray I'm sending
through the atmosphere right now, because you know, when I get an X
ray, they put this metal bib on me. But he was like,
oh, no, worries, let me just shoot it in front of your
face right now. I thought it was just like a black light it looked
like yeah, but you could see like internal workings of metal, so I
think it was like more it was supposed to be reading as more like technologically
advanced than a black light and I'm like, damn, this guy knows how
to fit shit like that. He's like, it's an X ray but not
really. I'm like, okay, it's like an X ray for metal.
I'm like, should we be taking precautions while you're shooting that up on here?
It's crazy? But yeah, it was cool and then just short because
it was shortened the episode. Laura's like, you're gonna take over the government
and yeah, because it was like a blip, And I think that could
have been more interesting because I like Laura as a character. She's complicated and
there's layers to her. But we got nothing today, like just like crumbs.
She gave us crumbs. But she's like, yeah, Lea Dama,
it sucks that everybody's dead, but you're going to have to figure out who's
going to replace them. And I'm just gonna keep my name and title,
but you're gonna do all the work. And I'm like, yes, I
love a woman in power who can just give like shove work to some man
because I feel like men do it all the time. Let somebody else do
all the work and I'll take all the credit. Yeah, she also like
she can't do like there's if she were to resign, like I don't know,
the whole government's gone like that, it would be more of a mess.
So like she kind of has to keep that title. Yeah, even
if she's president was killed in a firing squad, So yeah, who's going
to take over for her? And then all the representatives who I assume are
like the line. Yeah, yes, there might be some secretary of education
way down the line. Ready this stuff like her the way she got into
power, and it all starts again because what has happened before will happen again.
Oh my god. Yeah, it was weird. I was like,
dang, Laura, you were doing so well, like you inspired the people
and you got like the government back. But yeah, that there was a
tragedy, like you know, your whole cabinet, your whole congress or whoever,
they're gone, all the representatives are gone, and she was having a
hard time picking a good picture of this one guy. And I'm like,
oh my god, that's gonna be me. I don't have any good pictures
of myself right now, they're gonna have to pick a goofy picture of me
doing something stupid, looking stupid. Should we get like photos taken so that
Yeah, every year, like you get a portrait done so you're always funeral
ready. Uh yeah, it's the same headshot I use for my LinkedIn.
But yeah, that was the episode pretty much. Right. Oh wait,
there's one last thing I want to mention, and that's SALTI touching that fake
ass baby bump. Oh so gross. I didn't like it. I feel
like they're connection. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I
feel like it's it's I don't I don't feel like they have chemistry, the
way that she has chemistry with Guias and the way that he has chemistry with
Ellen. Tie they are lacking something and it just feels so forced. I
honestly forgot that, like they were still the thing, especially like we're seeing
Ellen now Ellen's on our way back presumably, so right. And the thing
is the funniest thing is that that bitch was in a jail cell not that
long ago. Yeah, so I think she just moved in and I'm like,
she looks way out of place in this like gray steel office bedroom house
thing apartment, and he's like, should we get baby stuff? And I'm
like, he's never had a child, He's lived a child free life well
into his like I don't know, maybe he's like fifty or sixty, and
I'm like, how dare she do this to him? But he did it
to himself. He fucked. They fucked consensually, but they didn't know that
they could have babies, and that sucks. That sucks. So yeah,
he felt that Cylon baby move and I was like, Oh, that's nasty.
But that's it. That's that does an episode. There was just like
little bits that should have been bigger, Like I would have I would have
liked a better focus on that and their their relationship, their day to day
instead of all this Cylon word and all this back talk and it's explaining everything.
Show me, like, if you're kind to tell me about it,
show it to me. Show me how he fucked up Daniel's life, Show
me Daniel, give me an actor, and then make him committed to another
series later down the line. But yeah, I don't know. Lots of
talk, not enough action. Astral Queen, who was the standout character.
In the episode Who's Your Astral Queen? Well, no one did a whole
lot in this episode and start contrast to the previous ones. Yeah, so
I mean Chief was the most active. I picked Chief two weeks in a
row. I know this could be the third week in a row for him.
Am I being Chief Tarrell fan Now he's been like in the forefront for
a lot. I was thinking of doing Honders because after this he's brained head,
so I don't know what else he can do, So this might be
the last time I can give him one Starbuck also had to make a decision
with Honders and yeah, that was tough. Yeah, but she like in
seconds made the decision, so it wasn't like they didn't draw it out or
anything. She's like problem for surgery. Who else? I guess the DAMA
made a hard decision too. There were the doctors that saved Anders. Yeah,
and then there's Ellen Tie Ellen and the Boomer. So I mean there's
some options, but they're just like lackluster compared to the last ones. Yeah,
fuck it, I'm three weeks in on Chief Tirol. I'm gonna give
it to Anders. He's the Chief again for being a bald bitch. All
right, all right, what's the two cylons getting the award this week?
They took our jobs and that brings us to the end of no exit.
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two one. All right, so Ellen shows up and there's another blonde woman
in her bed. She's probably pissed. She does not handle it with a
lot of grace. Does she do anything with grace as Ellen ty I think
that Ellen Tye in her comes out, not her final cylon self, which
is like benevolent and knowledgeable and wise. Yeah, so numbers number six.
She miscarries that baby because of the stress of Ellen. Very possibly. I
think they leave it ambiguous, but it's very possible that all that doctor's in
and so then we're still where two Cylons have never had a child together.
They almost did. Ellen would have been cool about it. So they bring
in the concept of this Cylon Daniel and that caused a lot of speculation on
the internet forums. A lot of people were theorizing at this point in the
show that the Cylon Daniel somehow related to Starbuck, either that she literally is
Daniel, or that Daniel's her father or something like that, kind of trying
to explain the mystery of Starbuck. Yeah, and I like that. She
was like, I gotta be something right. Maybe I was him, but
no, it's Daniel. So show runner Ronald D. Moore went out of
his way to try to squash these rumors on message boards and in the podcast
commentaries. You didn't realize how much people would gravitate towards the theorizing on this
topic. That him, like, the idea was Daniel was just a way
to explain the numbering issue and then kind of give a little piece of character
development to Cavil, But the nerds were like, oh my god, that's
Starbucks, Dad, Uncle, Daddy, Like this has to mean something more.
Yeah, I mean this show is all about that though. So you're
just feeding the fucking like sharks. You put out chum, and of course
they're gonna take it. You know, I honestly would not have noticed that
there was an off number. I didn't notice. I didn't notice that they
were off by numbers. So yeah, that's twenty. Yeah. I don't
think Daniel is referenced again. As I mentioned earlier, there's the character in
Caprica was the creator of the Centurions named Daniel, so it's presumed that this
cylon was named after him. So the cylon resin that they put in the
ships, because it's a this organic material, that's what's going to allow Anders
to kind of be plugged in and connect to all the systems and the ship
because this material has worked its way into all the systems of the ship,
sort of turning Battlestar into a bass Star. And we end up with this
kind of cool parallel where we you know, we start the show with the
Galactica being not networked, and that's what allows it to survive, and it
ends up being networked with all this Cylon technology, yeah, which is what
helps them succeed in the finale. Oh and Boomer, I don't remember exactly,
but I don't think her intentions are what they appear right now. I
think she's a trouble crossing hole. Yeah again, because somehow Cavell ends up
with Tara again, and I believe Boomer is the one that does that.
But that's all the spoiliage I have. I don't have anything to spoil.
I don't remember anything anymore. You don't remember the last five episodes of the
show. Now, I'm sure there's an opera house in there somewhere. Oh
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