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Welcome to Spacing Out with Beebe and
Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four

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episode fifteen, No Exit. Welcome
back. I'm Bbe and I'm Jason,

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and this is Spacing Out or today
we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If

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you're new here, welcome. You
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at the end of the podcast where
we are free to discuss any future events,

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but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything
past this episode, which is Battlestar

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Galactica Season four episode fifteen, No
Exit. This originally aired on February thirteenth,

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two thousand and nine, was written
by Ryan Modishard, directed by Gwyneth

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Horder Peyton. The survivor count in
this episode was thirty nine thousand, five

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hundred and fifty six, which is
down forty seven from last week. A

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lot of people were lost during the
revolution. Yeah for the coup. It's

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only a revel solution if it succeeds. Oh okay, Yeah the Kuba In

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this episode, after resurrecting from her
death on New Caprica, Ellen Tie is

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held captive by Cavil aboard a base
ship Boomer eventually freeze Ellen and the two

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escape on a raptor on Galactica,
and There's undergoes emergency surgery and begins to

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recall the truth about the Cylon race. Funeral informs a Dama about the extent

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of Galactica's damage, and rosalind Lee
discuss how to begin rebuilding the civilian government.

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Vibe check. Did we like the
episode overall? How does it stand

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the test of time? All right, vibe check. I feel like it

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was pretty boring compared to the last
two. It's definitely a change of pace

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from the action packed insurrection episodes.
Yeah, it's very much like an information

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dump, giving us a lot of
backstory, and you know, I don't

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hate it. I like learning about
the lore the Cylons, but it is

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like it's a lot and it's not
that well balanced it. Yeah, that's

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kind of basic. And we had
Ellen doing a lot of like exposition,

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and then we also had Bonders doing
a lot of exposition. It was just

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like so heavy on the Cylon lore
that I was just like over it.

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I'm like, who cares? And
they didn't even explain that stupid song.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't
hate it, just feels like a lot

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of a lot of B stories with
no a story going on. Yeah,

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I just I don't hate it,
but I don't love I wasn't excited about

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it. I wasn't engaged. It
was easily it was something that I was

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easily distracted for, like there's more
interesting things happening on my phone. Last

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episodes, I like put my phone
down. I was like, wully there,

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So it just yeah, I like
zoned in and out, like I

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was just like not feeling it and
then there was Yeah, it was just

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not for me. I could have
skipped this EPISOD so it had been totally

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fine. I'm glad we know what
happened, Honors, but may Yeah,

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I mean I don't know that it's
skippable in the long run, because yeah,

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I mean you'd be a little lost
if you've skipped it, just with

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Ellen and what's going on with the
Galactica and that stuff. But yeah,

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so it's not really filler, but
it is a definitely it's a different episode

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and it's a different pace, and
I don't like the change of pace personally.

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Trivia time. What facts could we
uncover for no exit? Any trivia

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for this episode? Yeah, so
we got A new intro sequence has made

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for this episode to set up that
this is a Cylon focused episode. No

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Exit is also the title of a
nineteen forty four existentialist play by Jean Paul's

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Sartre. The story references three people
who are trapped in hell, shown as

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a stately room with chairs and sofas. The play contains a notable line,

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hell is other people. I like
that. That's pretty good. Some of

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the ramblings from Anders are from the
sixteen sixty seven epic poem Paradise Loss by

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John Milton. The poem concerns the
biblical story of the fall of Man and

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the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Pieces of Ellen's story were originally going

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to be told alongside the Insurrection arc. Did that kind of makes more sense?

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Like pacing wise was like, Yeah, you could have had more balance,

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but it might have taken away from
how awesome those episodes were. Yeah.

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The backstory of the Cylon Daniel was
created to explain the numbering issue with

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these Cylon models. So Sharon was
numbered eight before the concept of the Final

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five was conceived, and thus they
needed to explain why there are only seven

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models of the human cylons. They
couldn't squeeze one more in, well,

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then that would make the total thirteen. And they said there was eleven or

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what they said, there's twelve from
the very beginning, so they numbered them

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wrong. Yeah, because originally they
thought like, we're just going to have

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twelve models that all have a number, and they gave Sharon number eight,

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and they had number six, and
they eventually filled in the other one through

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thirteen twelve five, so they had
they had one, two, three,

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four, five, six, and
eight and then they had the final five.

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So all of those out of the
twelve, but we're missing number seven.

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Oh okay, So they couldn't just
say there was a final four.

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We could have gotten rid of Tory
or something just saying leak. No.

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The writers also thought it made a
good character point for Cavil to have had

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him eliminated one of his one of
his brothers, kind of making a Cane

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and Abel type thing. All right, all right, that brings us into

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the okay boomer part of trivia.
Okay boomer, let's look at any connection

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to the original Battlestar Galacticas series.
So Daniel is the name of the main

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character on the prequel series Kaprica and
is the creator of those centurions. And

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Anders says that the Cylons had developed
the hybrids and then stop the war so

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they could focus on building the humanoid
Cylons. This is a key element element

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in the Battlestar Glack. To get
a prequel Blood and Chrome, which documents

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young William Adama's experiences during the First
Cylon War, they get a Mexican or

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a brown person to play him as
a young adult or a young person.

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I think so. See, I
put blue contacts on them, motherfucker.

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They would have to. Yeah,
Luke Pasqualino, Okay, does he look

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like a young Edward James Almos?
I don't know. No, No,

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a young Edward James Almos still looked
like Edward like he does when he's old.

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He like hardly aged. Yeah.
So the episode kind of ties into

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a couple of these prequel series that
come out, which I do think will

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cover at some point, but probably
not right away, and maybe not every

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single episode either. Just thoughts Deep
Space Dive. Let's break down some of

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let's dive into this book of an
episode. Yeah, I don't know.

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I feel like I don't even know. I guess. The first thing we

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see is Ellen and do Yeah,
we get kind of a unique opening sequence

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that leads us right into her like
death and rebirth. It was nice to

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see her life kind of flash before
her light, like her eyes or whatever.

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Ye as she reawoke and then she's
fucking freaking out because old Ellen is

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still like on the surface. And
then as she kind of settles into like

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where she's at, she realizes who
she is and she starts talking to the

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Centurion and being like, you can
help me, It's no problem. You

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know him on bro. Then I
guess through her scenes we learn kind of

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about her dynamic with Cavil, and
we get all this backstory about what Cavil

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did and what his kind of motivations
are. He hates that he was designed

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after humans. He hates his goofy
eyes. Yeah, he hates the limitations

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of He's like I want to smell
gamma rays, I want to fart sequence

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like calm down, I want to
take a ship in the black hole.

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Yeah, but yeah, he was
just like super salty that he has to

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poop in a toilet and he has
regular vision. Yeah, And Ellen is

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calling him out for trying to say
that he's such a like an advanced perfect

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machine capable of you know, everything, but he's so driven by human emotions

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of vengeance and rage and jealousy.
And he called it justice, which I

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thought was like, yeah, sounds
familiar. Yeah, and we've all we've

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seen that, Like Cavill's been kind
of the leader of the cylons, but

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we really see that, like this
is all like his personal vendetta that he's

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kind of got everyone following along,
and Sharon is part of it, Like,

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and I like that they introduce her
as like his most devoted follower and

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then that she slowly learns who he
truly is, and she she changes her

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mind about him and who he what
her role isn't it? Which Ellen pointed

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out, like you do you want
to be on this side? Do you

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want to like really go down in
history as being on this side? And

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I think she changes her mind rightfully, So Yeah, and that's a that's

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Boomer specifically. Yeah, all the
other Sharons are not part of that group,

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right, She's like the lone Sharon
who went against everybody when they did

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that vote and it made everything kind
of off kill her and she kind of

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helped start that civil war between the
Cylons. Basically, whoops, and now

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she's change Gina Ryan. Whoops?
Did I do they? But that I

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thought that was really interesting that they
had those two women talking about like their

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roles and how society would perceive them
based on how they decided to choose sides

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and stuff. That was kind of
interesting. Kind of boring too. So

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the Ellen scenes, they also take
place over a long period of time,

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right, there's flashbacks, and that
was confusing to me. We're cutting back

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and forth between present day with Anders
and back in the time with Ellen because

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it starts, you know, right, she resurrects right after she was killed

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on New Caprica, right, and
then you know, they skip over chunks

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of time and it's like, oh, now the humans destroyed the Resurrection ship

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and so it's like Cavils like freaking
out and asking Ellen for help, and

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but we're still on present time.
It was confusing. I just didn't like

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it. Yeah, they didn't do
a lot to contextualize that to help you

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like piece together like how much time
has passed? But yeah, so Anders

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is getting prepped for surgery and what's
the name, Doc Coddle. Right,

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He's like, we're gonna need a
specialist, but first I'm gonna drill into

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his head. And Starbucks like,
well, we should get the specialist right

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now, and he's like, ah, I can drill, it's no big

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deal. And then as he's drilling, apparently he unlocks all of Anders's old

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memories from being a cylon and he's
like a fountain of knowledge, but also

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like he has words salad. Yeah, so it's like really confusing sometimes to

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follow along with what he's saying.
Yeah, it was interesting. I thought

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his performance was good. Yeah,
they're very lucky that they have a brain

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specialist in the fleet. Yeah,
it's unfortunate that it's that guy, because

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he's pretty annoying. Yeah, he's
like I feel like I've seen that guy

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play that same kind of character of
like this nerdy type before. He feels

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like he's out of like sitcom like
Bones or is a show like that,

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like a procedural that Yeah. So
yeah, but he seemed like very disconnected

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from the emotions in the room like
most surgeons. Honestly, he's just like,

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I'm super excited to get a new
brain to work on. But I

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thought it was interesting that Anders like
gather them up, I need to talk

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to them, and they all showed
up for him. I thought that was

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really special. Yeah, because they
haven't heard from him in a long time

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when he's like, he hasn't called
them, so it's nice that they're all

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waiting for him. It was interesting
that, like, as he's telling them

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this backstory, one of their main
concerns is like who is at fault for

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everything that's happened? Like, are
are we the final five at fault for

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like building these other cylons and continuing
this cycle of destruction? Or like do

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you go back a step further?
It's like, well, the humans on

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Kobal built us, so it's the
humans and tie even like takes that logic

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all the way back to like,
well, at some point a germ split

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in two and caused all this.
Yeah, they're really concerned about like the

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pr of all this knowledge. Yeah. I don't think Condors is really catching

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their vibe too hard though. We
also learned that Chief Tyrrell and Tori were

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lovers in their former life. They
were happy and getting married and Chief Tyroll

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just looks over at Tori and giggles. I thought that was cute. She's

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like, I killed your wife.
Nobody knows that. Plus he hated the

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cabbage sent to her, and she
was a cheater, a cheater who let

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him believe that she was burying him
a son. They bad mouthed Callie so

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much after she left the show.
So do you understand, like the Cylon

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history, I don't care. I
don't care. I don't care. I

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really don't care. It's it's not
relevant to me, even though at the

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very beginning of the show they were
like, this has happened before and it

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will happen again, so it feels
like it should be relevant. But I

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don't care. I don't care.
I want to see the drama and the

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conspiracy and all of the other shit
that goes along with every day now present

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I am. I am invested in
the present. I'm not a bitch who

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likes to look back, and I'm
not really interested in looking forward because that's

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not like for sure either. So
let's talk about today today. We are

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here and it doesn't fucking matter who's
responsible for what, Like that's in the

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past. We are now here.
How can we fix it? How can

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we make today better? But yeah, I don't know. I acknowledge the

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past and I understand it's relevant,
but it's not something that we need to

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completely let us like like it shouldn't
be something that it's gonna slow us down

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from having progress today. And I
feel like this episode really slowed us down

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so that there was no progress.
There was no action. Like the one

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thing that maybe was an action was
the storyline with a Dama in chief.

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That was like one thing that was
like a problem resolution bam. Everything else

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was questioning was like hung up in
the air or you know, Anders wakes

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up brain dead, so we're done. Yeah. No, I was just

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asking because you've you've asked a lot
of questions over time regarding the cylons and

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like just the understanding of the final
five are different cylons and the other seven.

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Yeah, I guess it's it's weird, but I don't I wish they

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would have explained it more interesting,
show me, don't tell me, you

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know, yeah, because that would
be more exciting, like if they if

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they did flashbacks, like if Anders
was like I remember everything and then we

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flashed back and saw Chief Tyrrell and
Tory like happily married and like in love

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and shit, and then we cut
back to them and be like, ill,

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that would have been more exciting to
me. That would have been more

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engaging if we would have seen it
in their like Cylon world, putting together

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like the Resurrection ship and doing all
this stuff. But you're just telling me.

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I'm like bored, I don't care. I want to see it.

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This is a fucking sci fi show. Show me the sci fi. So

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that's why I wasn't engaged. I
was just like, oh, there he

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goes again telling his stories. So
I should mention the movie The Plan,

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which they've talked about several times throughout
the series, that they made the movie

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after the series finale had wrapped.
But if you were doing more of a

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chronological watch, the place to watch
The Plan would actually be right after this

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episode, because you in this episode
you learn all about what Cavil did to

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like put the Final Five on Earth
with new memories and then hope to have

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them work it. We'll have them
die in the nuclear holocaust. So the

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Plan kind of goes back and shows
a lot of that and how the Final

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Five survived and end up in the
fleet, and then what the Cylons were

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continuing to do throughout the first couple
of seasons of the show. Yeah,

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and we'll talk about it when we
do cover the Plan. But I don't

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think the Plan is the greatest ending
to the series. I think it actually

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works better because it is it is
kind of a backstory thing a lot like

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this episode, but it shows more
than tells. But it is they had

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more money for the set design or
something kind of. I mean, it

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also re uses a lot of footage
from the first couple of seasons as it

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fills in gaps. But anyway,
I just wanted to mention that. Yeah.

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The other thing the episode was Chief
Tyrell discovering how broken Galactica is after

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all the abuse ship's been through.
I like when Admiral Adama was like,

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are you saying they cut corners and
he's like, yeah, I'm saying they

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cut corners. It was like,
oh shit. He didn't realize that the

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military would cut corners when building something
that was supposed to be important for the

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safety of others. Crazy, Oh
my god. But it was funny to

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me that he was like, no, we're not using cylon technology. This

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is going to be fixed. Like
if you can't fix it, then we're

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just going to have to deal with
it, and then he goes to his

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bathroom and he finally notices the big
giant crack in the wall, and he's

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like, oh my god, okay, fix it. It's happening in my

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house. Yeah, in my bathroom, the place where I take off all

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my clothes. No way, that's
his most vulnerable space. So he's agreeing

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to using this like biological resin that
the cylons have that will grow and mold

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itself into the cracks or something and
take on the load of the weight bearing

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beams, and so it sounds great, like, Okay, let's do it.

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I wouldn't have even been like,
let me think on it. I'd

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be like, okay, let's try
it. Like fuck it, I only

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have one ship, you know.
I fucking destroyed the Pegasus doing that other

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fucking invasive maneuver, so I don't
have any backups. Yeah, but he's

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a little hesitant, I guess,
because you know, people just tried to

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assassinate him for being too close to
the cylons. So he's like, hey,

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yeah, but like the thing that
was to me, I feel like

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it's almost hypocritical because he was willing
to put new jump drives and everybody else's

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ship and now when it's his ship
and it needs cylon technology, he's like,

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whoa, there, hold your horses. But yeah, I can tell

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that he's hesitant because he's like,
Okay, I'm gonna let you be in

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charge, but it's going to be
an all human crew, no cylons,

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Yeah except for you. And then
the thing. I thought it was funny

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that Chief was having to correct almost
every single group of people in there,

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And I'm like, I bet he
wouldn't have to do that if he was

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working with cylons. They wouldn't be
doing it wrong and stupid like people do.

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The cost of a human crew.
Human error is bound to happen,

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all right, Well I got nothing
else, you got nothing else on that.

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I thought it was funny. I
like that he invented a beam that

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can look through the metal without having
to like scoot over, like make sure

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you don't get hit with this.
Who knows what kind of ray I'm sending

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through the atmosphere right now, because
you know, when I get an X

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ray, they put this metal bib
on me. But he was like,

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oh, no, worries, let
me just shoot it in front of your

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face right now. I thought it
was just like a black light it looked

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like yeah, but you could see
like internal workings of metal, so I

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think it was like more it was
supposed to be reading as more like technologically

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advanced than a black light and I'm
like, damn, this guy knows how

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to fit shit like that. He's
like, it's an X ray but not

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really. I'm like, okay,
it's like an X ray for metal.

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I'm like, should we be taking
precautions while you're shooting that up on here?

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It's crazy? But yeah, it
was cool and then just short because

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it was shortened the episode. Laura's
like, you're gonna take over the government

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and yeah, because it was like
a blip, And I think that could

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have been more interesting because I like
Laura as a character. She's complicated and

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there's layers to her. But we
got nothing today, like just like crumbs.

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She gave us crumbs. But she's
like, yeah, Lea Dama,

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it sucks that everybody's dead, but
you're going to have to figure out who's

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going to replace them. And I'm
just gonna keep my name and title,

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but you're gonna do all the work. And I'm like, yes, I

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love a woman in power who can
just give like shove work to some man

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because I feel like men do it
all the time. Let somebody else do

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all the work and I'll take all
the credit. Yeah, she also like

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she can't do like there's if she
were to resign, like I don't know,

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the whole government's gone like that,
it would be more of a mess.

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So like she kind of has to
keep that title. Yeah, even

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if she's president was killed in a
firing squad, So yeah, who's going

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to take over for her? And
then all the representatives who I assume are

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like the line. Yeah, yes, there might be some secretary of education

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way down the line. Ready this
stuff like her the way she got into

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power, and it all starts again
because what has happened before will happen again.

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Oh my god. Yeah, it
was weird. I was like,

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dang, Laura, you were doing
so well, like you inspired the people

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and you got like the government back. But yeah, that there was a

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tragedy, like you know, your
whole cabinet, your whole congress or whoever,

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they're gone, all the representatives are
gone, and she was having a

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hard time picking a good picture of
this one guy. And I'm like,

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oh my god, that's gonna be
me. I don't have any good pictures

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of myself right now, they're gonna
have to pick a goofy picture of me

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doing something stupid, looking stupid.
Should we get like photos taken so that

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Yeah, every year, like you
get a portrait done so you're always funeral

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ready. Uh yeah, it's the
same headshot I use for my LinkedIn.

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But yeah, that was the episode
pretty much. Right. Oh wait,

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there's one last thing I want to
mention, and that's SALTI touching that fake

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ass baby bump. Oh so gross. I didn't like it. I feel

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like they're connection. I don't buy
it. I don't buy it. I

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feel like it's it's I don't I
don't feel like they have chemistry, the

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way that she has chemistry with Guias
and the way that he has chemistry with

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Ellen. Tie they are lacking something
and it just feels so forced. I

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honestly forgot that, like they were
still the thing, especially like we're seeing

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Ellen now Ellen's on our way back
presumably, so right. And the thing

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is the funniest thing is that that
bitch was in a jail cell not that

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long ago. Yeah, so I
think she just moved in and I'm like,

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she looks way out of place in
this like gray steel office bedroom house

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thing apartment, and he's like,
should we get baby stuff? And I'm

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like, he's never had a child, He's lived a child free life well

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into his like I don't know,
maybe he's like fifty or sixty, and

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I'm like, how dare she do
this to him? But he did it

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to himself. He fucked. They
fucked consensually, but they didn't know that

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they could have babies, and that
sucks. That sucks. So yeah,

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he felt that Cylon baby move and
I was like, Oh, that's nasty.

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But that's it. That's that does
an episode. There was just like

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little bits that should have been bigger, Like I would have I would have

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liked a better focus on that and
their their relationship, their day to day

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instead of all this Cylon word and
all this back talk and it's explaining everything.

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Show me, like, if you're
kind to tell me about it,

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show it to me. Show me
how he fucked up Daniel's life, Show

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me Daniel, give me an actor, and then make him committed to another

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series later down the line. But
yeah, I don't know. Lots of

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talk, not enough action. Astral
Queen, who was the standout character.

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In the episode Who's Your Astral Queen? Well, no one did a whole

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lot in this episode and start contrast
to the previous ones. Yeah, so

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I mean Chief was the most active. I picked Chief two weeks in a

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row. I know this could be
the third week in a row for him.

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Am I being Chief Tarrell fan Now
he's been like in the forefront for

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a lot. I was thinking of
doing Honders because after this he's brained head,

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so I don't know what else he
can do, So this might be

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the last time I can give him
one Starbuck also had to make a decision

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with Honders and yeah, that was
tough. Yeah, but she like in

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seconds made the decision, so it
wasn't like they didn't draw it out or

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anything. She's like problem for surgery. Who else? I guess the DAMA

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made a hard decision too. There
were the doctors that saved Anders. Yeah,

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and then there's Ellen Tie Ellen and
the Boomer. So I mean there's

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some options, but they're just like
lackluster compared to the last ones. Yeah,

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fuck it, I'm three weeks in
on Chief Tirol. I'm gonna give

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it to Anders. He's the Chief
again for being a bald bitch. All

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right, all right, what's the
two cylons getting the award this week?

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They took our jobs and that brings
us to the end of no exit.

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But of course we're going to go
into the spoiler section, so there is

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an exit if you need it,
and you airlock bitch if you don't want

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to be spoiled for the rest of
the series, including the next episode,

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which is called Deadlock. And this
is the time for you to stop listening

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because we're going to go into spoilers. Let's put our living stereo stylist in

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this group. Brace for impact spoilers
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two one. All right, so
Ellen shows up and there's another blonde woman

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in her bed. She's probably pissed. She does not handle it with a

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lot of grace. Does she do
anything with grace as Ellen ty I think

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that Ellen Tye in her comes out, not her final cylon self, which

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is like benevolent and knowledgeable and wise. Yeah, so numbers number six.

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She miscarries that baby because of the
stress of Ellen. Very possibly. I

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think they leave it ambiguous, but
it's very possible that all that doctor's in

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and so then we're still where two
Cylons have never had a child together.

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They almost did. Ellen would have
been cool about it. So they bring

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in the concept of this Cylon Daniel
and that caused a lot of speculation on

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the internet forums. A lot of
people were theorizing at this point in the

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show that the Cylon Daniel somehow related
to Starbuck, either that she literally is

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Daniel, or that Daniel's her father
or something like that, kind of trying

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to explain the mystery of Starbuck.
Yeah, and I like that. She

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was like, I gotta be something
right. Maybe I was him, but

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no, it's Daniel. So show
runner Ronald D. Moore went out of

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his way to try to squash these
rumors on message boards and in the podcast

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commentaries. You didn't realize how much
people would gravitate towards the theorizing on this

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topic. That him, like,
the idea was Daniel was just a way

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to explain the numbering issue and then
kind of give a little piece of character

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development to Cavil, But the nerds
were like, oh my god, that's

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Starbucks, Dad, Uncle, Daddy, Like this has to mean something more.

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Yeah, I mean this show is
all about that though. So you're

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just feeding the fucking like sharks.
You put out chum, and of course

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they're gonna take it. You know, I honestly would not have noticed that

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there was an off number. I
didn't notice. I didn't notice that they

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were off by numbers. So yeah, that's twenty. Yeah. I don't

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think Daniel is referenced again. As
I mentioned earlier, there's the character in

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Caprica was the creator of the Centurions
named Daniel, so it's presumed that this

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cylon was named after him. So
the cylon resin that they put in the

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ships, because it's a this organic
material, that's what's going to allow Anders

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to kind of be plugged in and
connect to all the systems and the ship

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because this material has worked its way
into all the systems of the ship,

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sort of turning Battlestar into a bass
Star. And we end up with this

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kind of cool parallel where we you
know, we start the show with the

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Galactica being not networked, and that's
what allows it to survive, and it

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ends up being networked with all this
Cylon technology, yeah, which is what

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helps them succeed in the finale.
Oh and Boomer, I don't remember exactly,

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but I don't think her intentions are
what they appear right now. I

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think she's a trouble crossing hole.
Yeah again, because somehow Cavell ends up

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with Tara again, and I believe
Boomer is the one that does that.

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But that's all the spoiliage I have. I don't have anything to spoil.

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I don't remember anything anymore. You
don't remember the last five episodes of the

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show. Now, I'm sure there's
an opera house in there somewhere. Oh

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there is. Thanks for joining us. We will see you next time for

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the episode Deadlock, So say we
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and Jason. You can help us
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sixteen, Deadlock. We hope you
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