1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Well, we certainly have established, let's say, a fact pattern for hul 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,679 Coogan's return to the TNA ring. Boss. Yeah, I'll say total NonStop. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,119 Hogan is back on the rails after a series of you know, WrestleMania 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,120 related hijinks that your co chairs found themselves in. This really is the first 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:25,280 formal sort of TLF episode since the Comedy Chateau event after WrestleMania. Boss. 6 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:28,719 Indeed, indeed, I know that's it's kind of a kind of a weird, 7 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:32,719 a weird thing, you know, that is kind of crazy. It's 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,079 um, it's almost like we're hul Cogan disappearing from mysterious back surgeries for six 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,759 months at a time, four months at a time, three weeks at a 10 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:45,240 time. What dude, brother, what why? And were proud to bring 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,640 you an entire reading of hul Coogan's deposition last time we were with you here 12 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:54,799 on TNAH against Laser Spine Institute, which was the surgical center that performed what 13 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:59,359 six back operations on the Hulkster during his TNA run. Yeah, towards the 14 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:02,079 end of two thou ten, and as we were going through the chronology of 15 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:03,959 TNA and Hulk Cogan's involvement. We did notice, like you know, a 16 00:01:03,959 --> 00:01:08,319 pretty smoking gulf of Hulk Coogan appearances as the fall of twenty and ten arrived, 17 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:12,719 he supposed to be involved, perhaps even wrestling Sting at Bound for Glory 18 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:21,959 Abyss. At first it was the Abyss Yah yeah, and then s yeah, 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,640 and then they started choosing Sting. Then they started teasing a six man 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:30,599 tag involving Kevin Nash and stuff, remember that. And and they were calling 21 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,359 out Hogan on television and even showing footage from him being inside what we came 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,239 to find out later was the Laser Spine Institute or no, it was the 23 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,359 It was that visit he made to the hospital, remember that during the demosition. 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:48,319 Yeah, that UM hospital visit where he did a Twitter video probably high 25 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:52,840 on fetnel, come to find out, because Hogan was using fentanyl during that 26 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:57,200 time period of extreme pain, which is you know, certainly lends credence to 27 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,680 what everybody was saying, including himself, about how strung out he was in 28 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:06,000 the years during and right before he came into TNA, sure with the back 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,599 pain and and so yeah, we couldn't hope for more in terms of a 30 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:14,479 full bodied picture in our minds and what a wild ride it was going through. 31 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:24,439 I mean that was just literally one of the funniest just true to life 32 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:30,159 obviously, you know, just the validation that's there. I think that's what 33 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:34,039 it is, right, it's you know that that's kind of it, like 34 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,479 just the weird shit that he's sang, and it's just completely validates so much 35 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:44,759 stuff that we have suggested. It's it's proof of concept for lapsed caricatures. 36 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,719 Yes, right. Indeed, we've always said that we we we don't imitate 37 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:53,199 wrestlers. We do their inner monologue. Yes, you know that that's more 38 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,479 what we do than anything else. And I think, you know, Helkegan 39 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,039 on the stand talking about you know, and trying to successfully sue this surgical 40 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,080 center for the condition of his back during the first year here of TNA and 41 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,599 the time period in twenty on nine when he was signing with them and trying 42 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:10,280 to wrestle in Australia. Just the turns of phrase that he uses, the 43 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,199 the questions that get him tripped up, the questions that don't get him tripped 44 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:21,479 up, the categorical statements he makes, the I don't understand what what are 45 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:23,199 you saying? Dude? Yeah, that's that is the question, isn't it? 46 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,400 Yeah? And uh yeah. We were able to huddle a bit about 47 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:30,960 it when we recorded the latest Under the Cinemat, which of course is available 48 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,479 for the twenty dollars and above tier and Patreon the biggest swinging dicks in the 49 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:39,520 Solar System as we bring the Marine Marine as part of the first series of 50 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,159 all the marine movies from ww coverage there, and we did get to talk 51 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:46,439 a little bit about the experience of running the whole Coaken depositions on that show, 52 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:49,319 and we filled a little bit. We said, the only poetic license 53 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,879 we took with the actual physical transcript was when you added a brother here or 54 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:59,319 the noise. Let's not forget also that you renamed doctor Brereski. I know, 55 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:00,479 I couldn't. I couldn't help it, I said, you know, 56 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:05,360 I've said his name enough times, but he's got to say Berserker and the 57 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,400 you know the other one though you know it actually could you know it could 58 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:15,120 be pronounced that way a doctor Riva riva, right, it could be you 59 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:17,639 know, you don't. We don't know. As members of the Solar System 60 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,360 had been hitting us up on Twitter with some of their favorite quotes from that 61 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:26,240 last episode, of teenh I realized, oh yeah, the Berserker thing. 62 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:29,000 We might want to make it clear that the deposition does not say this guy's 63 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:34,600 name was Berserker or Basuka Joe or five hundred other variations you know, gave 64 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,480 people on that. But but it's great because not only do we have details 65 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:43,519 about all you know, whole Coogan's physical maladies and how he got enough back 66 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,040 in shape to whereas we turned the page to twenty eleven, here on Total 67 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,480 NonStop Hogan, we can get a better understanding of how it was that suddenly 68 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,720 he was physically able to move around a lot better. I mean, you've 69 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:55,600 taken a look at a lot of the stuff he did, and the lead 70 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,560 up to the match with sting at Bounce with Glory, which will be sort 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,759 of the next episode of TNAH to this one being um, you know, 72 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,240 the dawning of the second year of the Hogan Bishop regime and all the run 73 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:10,839 up two Hulk Hogan's next matchup in the TNA ring and I don't know, 74 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:14,040 Boss, he's moving around. I mean, we're grading on a curve here 75 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,399 is curved as his spine is. But we're up pretty well. I think 76 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:19,319 he does yeah, all things considered. I mean, you know, he 77 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,360 gets he gets to the ground a few times, you know, like he 78 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,480 he more or less bumps. I can't. Yeah, you know that's that's 79 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:30,480 I think the pain may be gone. A fusion man, Yeah, the 80 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,639 fusion brother. Yeah, we gotta get that fusion. That was the whole 81 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,600 basis of the lawsuit, which by the way, was settled, and I'm 82 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:40,879 sure Hogan got a payment for it. The court records don't indicate what came 83 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,240 of it, if you're wondering, But um, that was the whole idea 84 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,759 was that, you know, a series of doctors at Laser Spine Institute, 85 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,639 according to Hogan's allegations, convinced him that he didn't need to undergo that very 86 00:05:53,639 --> 00:06:00,879 invasive spinal fusion surgery and could just undergo these um these almost these more you 87 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:05,399 know, less invasive let's just say, procedures and avoid that much time on 88 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,360 the shelf. And he's coming back and saying, you know, if you 89 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:13,000 didn't like give me a false hope that this would be the path that would 90 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:15,800 save me time and allow me to earn more, I would have made a 91 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,079 whole hell of a lot more money if I just went ahead and had the 92 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:23,079 fucking crazy surgery in the front end, all kinds of wild details about how 93 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:26,439 he was negotiating with Vince McMahon a wrestle John at WrestleMania. I mean, 94 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,560 who even thought about that? You imagine? I know, seriously, no 95 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,879 one ever was thinking about that. The greatest of all time versus the greatest 96 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,800 of all time is what Vince was going to frame it as. Of course, 97 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,360 he just went on to start calling John Cena the greatest of all time. 98 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:44,279 Anyway, Let's not forget. Let's not forget they've changed Hulk Cogan's painting 99 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:50,680 in Madison Square Garden two John Cena unbelievable, all right, John Cena replaced 100 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:58,199 hul Cogan in that that that employee's hallway where there are paintings of all the 101 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,560 most legendary people. Yeah. One of my takeaways from the deposition was that 102 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,680 Vince actually had a plan to have Hogan lay down for Sina before, you 103 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:11,720 know, making that declaration about him and marketing the match is greatest of all 104 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:14,199 time, but greatest of all time. So just a ton of stuff that 105 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,120 I don't think people even necessarily know about Hulkgan's history. That also came up 106 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,800 because it was relevant to the court case because it's all about how much was 107 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:25,519 Hulkogan making and how much could he have made right if, yeah, if 108 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,079 he underwent a surgery that would have put him back in play earlier than this 109 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,560 long series of failed experimental I think we can call them treatments to Hogan's back. 110 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,680 So absolutely, totally wild, totally fun, and we got a lot 111 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:42,920 of detail as well that we've been thirsting forth throughout the course of the TNH 112 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,439 journeys to the financial arrangements that brought Hulkogan into tnam Amy. Old brother, 113 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:50,759 dude, you know what do I mean? One thing that that I didn't 114 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,680 really get brought up, brother, but I was actually going to be you 115 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,839 know, I was cast to be the leading slumdog millionaire. Bro. Yeah, 116 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,839 you don't talk much about that. I was going to be in there, 117 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,240 brother, you know. I mean, you know Danny Boyle, director, 118 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:05,199 Danny Boyle and I. You know, we were going back and forth. 119 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,759 Brother. I was going to be in some dog millionaire dude, and 120 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,600 I would have won an oscar. Brother. Have you seen those seven eleven 121 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,680 straws? More like slurp Dog Millionaire. Brother. I would have been part 122 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,040 of the best picture of two thousand and nine. Dude, Yeah, I 123 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,800 think if the surgery brother, I think he would have made a terrific Bollywood 124 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:26,079 Bollywood Hulk Hogan, right. I mean that was the idea, Dud, 125 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:31,199 We're gonna kind of transition and then bring Bollywood Hulk Hogan to the w w 126 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,879 E and Bollywood versus John Cena brother. Right that the spot ended up going 127 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,759 to gender Mahal of course, of course, but Hulk was to be the 128 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:46,080 original modern day Mahaasha, but it just didn't come out that way. He 129 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,600 did, however, enjoy a massala. He'll murder a massala. Let's be 130 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,320 clear about the Okay, oh my god, absolutely, um, but no, 131 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,720 you know it's relevant. We've got to ask Hogan on the stand here 132 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:01,279 in this lawsuit where he's you know, damages for lost wages or however you 133 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,639 want to phrase it, how TNA was compensating him, and man does he 134 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:11,120 dish. Here's what we know, A'll Coogan signed a contract to be paid 135 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:16,279 a minimum of a million dollars a year with TNA, this company that you 136 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:22,879 know can't scrape together enough pennies to leave the impact zone despite being paid millions 137 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:31,080 and rights fees from Spike TV million dollars minimum with a five hundred thousand dollar 138 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:37,720 minimum talent appearances another call a bonus, but payment for thirty three appearances. 139 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,960 So basically he has to make these um if I'm if we're interpreting what's said 140 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,960 on the stand, right, we don't have the full text of the contract, 141 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,519 but if we're interpreting right, he has to make thirty three appearances on 142 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,519 TNA television to claim another five hundred thousand dollars, so you can kind of 143 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,960 call it a one point five million dollar contract. And he would also if 144 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 he were to make additional appearances above the thirty three, make an additional fifteen 145 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,919 thousand dollars according to his test money for each appearance in TNA above that. 146 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:09,320 And he also just he said everything because remember this lawsuit happens after he's done 147 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,000 with DNA and he's looking back on it. He's already come back to WWE, 148 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:16,639 He's signed the Legend contract for five hundred grand a year, and he's 149 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,639 um he's now back in back in the auspices of m WW. He's made 150 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,919 the appearance at WrestleMania thirty, that famous scene with Steve Austin and the Rock 151 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:37,360 where he says, and he does so he's he's now, you know, 152 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,320 not trying to spare feelings when it comes to, you know, assessing what 153 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,200 TENA was. And one of the more telling things he says is TENA is 154 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,240 a very small company and the whole Cogan brand name and Brandon name TNA would 155 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,559 never be as big as the whole Cogan brand name. So for them to 156 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:56,960 land Hull Cogan and spend one million or one point five million or one point 157 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,799 two five or whatever that number is, there's a huge upside for them if 158 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:03,440 they knew the wrestling business and they handled me properly, such as the way 159 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Vince McMahon handles you. So, and he also sort of diminishes TNA as 160 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,080 something insignificant. And as we've talked about, the big problem, one of 161 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,159 the big problems with Hull, because he's getting mainstream exposure during this point in 162 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:20,039 time two ten eleven not all good. I mean a lot of it's due 163 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:24,399 to the falling apart of his marriage and the acrimonious divorce in Linda Bala doing 164 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,480 a book, and of course what happened with his son in the car accident. 165 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:33,679 But he is he's getting a ton of opportunities to get national mainstream attention, 166 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,799 and some of these interviews are kind of soft touch. Some of them 167 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:41,000 are even about the other ventures he's got going on, like the micro Championship 168 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,080 Wrestling show he put together with Eric Bischoff and Hervey for a True TV which 169 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,440 hits the airwaves in twenty eleven as well coincident with his TNA run. And 170 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:52,360 even when doing interviews promoting you know, a wrestling show if you want to 171 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,279 call micro Championship wrestling that he doesn't mention TNA, or at least he does, 172 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,840 he doesn't do it in a forceful and enough way that it makes it 173 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,240 the final cut. Well, brother, you know the thing is, you 174 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,159 see, I'm you know, if I have mentioned TNA, brother, then 175 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:11,039 I have to get another you know, five hundred thousand dollars. Well, 176 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:13,519 if I read one part of his testimony, right, we are coming up 177 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,759 to a point where suddenly he says, no, actually, you have to 178 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,080 pay me more to do that. So look for you want to wrestle, 179 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,000 dude, you gotta pay me at least two million dollars for appearance. Brother, 180 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,879 But excited to get this thing back on track and really accelerate because we're 181 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:35,879 going to take a big bite out of twenty eleven here in the next couple 182 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:39,799 of weeks here on TNH and really push through, um the remainder. You 183 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,279 know, twenty ten is so important, I think, to cover from a 184 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,039 more granular, incremental, step by step kind of treatment. But now we 185 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,639 can paint with a bit of a broader brush because we know the beats, 186 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,080 right, we know, yes, the problems that recur at TNA, we 187 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,200 know, oh man television show. I mean you any more optimistic? Haven't 188 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,360 taken in to be covering here in twenty nine No, I mean, you 189 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:13,039 know, I'd seen little bits and pieces about this this one development, and 190 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,360 I wasn't sure. To me, it sounded like a really, really stupid 191 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:28,679 idea. But I gotta tell you, I'm I'm kind of enjoying Joker sting. 192 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,279 Yeah, I really was not expecting that. I was rather excited when 193 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,279 I conceived of the teenage journey to get to the point that you could take 194 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,480 the measure of sting and when you started saying, you know, the mic 195 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,399 work he's doing isn't bad and this is yeah, of course before the Joker 196 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,919 transformation. Yeah, but I mean it's it's good. It's good stuff. 197 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,320 It really is. You know, it's it's actually nice to see him doing 198 00:13:54,399 --> 00:14:00,360 something so out of character that we know from staying and he's just like, 199 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:07,720 it's actually pretty I may at times he's you know, at times he's kind 200 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,360 of reminding me of Seth Rollins. Well, Seth Rollins reminds you of him, 201 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,720 because right he just basically decides to also do Heath Ledger at a certain 202 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,279 point, No, I think, yeah, well, I think also his 203 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:24,679 you know, the the one um that that Seth Rollins is doing. It's 204 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,840 more of the the Joaquin Phoenix one. But yeah, but still there's still 205 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,120 yeah, but there's still part of that and like there's some some movements. 206 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,279 But it's kind of it kind of bumps me out because it's like, I'm 207 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:39,399 I forced myself to have to think of him because I've seen seth Rollins do 208 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,720 it first, and I'd rather be able to say, oh, look at 209 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,919 Seth Rollins. He can't even come up with an original idea because this was 210 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:50,720 just ripping off sting. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I know he 211 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,480 is and I know that that, but still, because I saw Seth Rollins 212 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,840 do it first, it it bothers me like that totally, you know, 213 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,519 but um I I really I was getting to kick out of it. I 214 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,159 was like, not, I was not expecting that. I'd heard rumors about 215 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,759 what it was, and I'm like, I don't understand how the fuck we're 216 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,360 gonna get there. I don't know how this gets there. But then the 217 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,639 way it kind of played out, I was like, Wow, it's actually 218 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,720 it's it's it's kind of entertaining and honest to god, by the time, 219 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,879 by the time October October rolls around, the makeup even looks fantastic. Yeah, 220 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,480 I think it's it's just great. It's really well done. And of 221 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,639 course that's hyperrelevant to a T and H journey because that whole character is developed 222 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,039 to feud with Hulk Coogan and get Hulkogan coaxed back into the Squared Circle for 223 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:43,559 fight in October of twenty eleven. And it's this campaign really that makes it 224 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,759 such a joke when Sting went to WWE that you know, he didn't have 225 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:48,679 the chops to cut promos or carry a tune on the microphone, and it's 226 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,240 like, dude, like pretending that he didn't do the all of this work 227 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,840 in TNA, where he was the best plow in the company. Yes, 228 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,279 what are you talking about? And so it's it's it's kind of cool to 229 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,960 see Sting be able to spread his wings on the back of Hulk Hogan's return, 230 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,360 because you know, if Hogan's involved, it's going to get a ton 231 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,720 of airtime, and he's going to get a ton of opportunities to really flesh 232 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,679 out the character and not get you know, knees cut off because it's building 233 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,720 to a Hogan match. So all the credit to to Sting and as we'll 234 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:19,840 talk about, he gets a kind of a promising but what turns out to 235 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,480 be dodgy and kind of strange start to twenty eleven is um he's supposed to 236 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,720 come back with Nash and kind of pick up where that whole Bound for Glory 237 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:33,360 in Troy left off, with them knowing that Hogan and bishof aren't doing it 238 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:41,360 for the right reasons and you know that's it. Yeah, okay and fortune 239 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,360 and all that. But that doesn't happen because Nash doesn't resign, and and 240 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,279 Nash goes to the Royal Rumble, as does book or t who is supposed 241 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,799 to be part of, yeah, a group of veterans that come back. 242 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,399 Oh my god, I forgot that was that ally shit. Yep. So 243 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:03,200 once again, UM, wrestlers have other companies to thank for Vince suddenly being 244 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,200 interested in scooping them up. We saw it with the exodus of the Nakamura 245 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:12,240 aj styles are Anderson Gallows exodus. That was like, let's fuck New Japan. 246 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:17,039 Uh, Cody, you know, let's fuck a w couldn't Vince could 247 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,359 have been less interested in Cody when he left. Um, and it just 248 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:22,720 it just it just goes on and on, like you know Jericho and ninety 249 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:27,640 nine. It's like he he really, he's gonna sign you if he can 250 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,759 fuck somebody, That's what he's that's the one two punch. He's really looking 251 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:36,000 forward trying to be cut roh with all those signings and the original triple HNXT. 252 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:41,599 So that's that's not news. But here, um it's it's the benefit 253 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,519 to the benefit of Kevin Nash and book or t and so Sting finds himself 254 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,279 without a place in that prepared storyline and suddenly makes a return in March Unimpact 255 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:53,440 and is soon champion and soon in the ring with a Jeff Hardy. That's 256 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,920 let's say boss in no conditions oh, oh my god. I mean that's 257 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,400 all to come here on our next episode, if is this thing? So 258 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,880 so I'm i'm, I'm, I'm very curious about one thing. So maybe 259 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,039 this is just a coincidence, maybe whatever, you know. So Number one, 260 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,400 when I went to go watch that match, where did you watch that 261 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,960 match on a laptop? No? I mean, but where did you watch 262 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,720 it? Like? What what website? Did you watch it? The Impact 263 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,680 plus Okay streaming service? All right? Because you know when I tried to 264 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,240 watch that show, it kept skipping to lockdown. It wouldn't let me watch 265 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,319 it. Oh well I couldn't. I wouldn't watch it. And you know 266 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:36,640 what, it's like the only fucking TNA pay per view that's not on YouTube, 267 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,319 Yes, And like it was the hardest fucking thing to find until I 268 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:48,079 found someone's fucking really shitty copy on YouTube that I could watch the match? 269 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,160 Are It's right? And so I was wondering, I was like, well, 270 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,359 what the fuck's going on with its? Like best episode we talked about 271 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,920 last week? Right? I was wondering if there was some kind of issue 272 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,759 with it, Like, but if you were able to watch it? Yes, 273 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,000 I was on, Yeah, yeah, I don't know why you just 274 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:08,880 like I'd press play and it would go to lockdown. Crazy. I'm like, 275 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,240 what the fuck is We've seen instances. I mean remember that backstage Champagne 276 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,759 celebration that the Beautiful People had that was edited off that early twenty ten impact 277 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:23,559 for no reason there was Um, I'm pretty sure that they edited out Dixie 278 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:29,519 lecturing the troops in November nine, before you know, on the close set 279 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,240 for Hogan and Bischoff come in telling them to get in line and shut the 280 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:37,319 fuck up and don't dissent and when you criticize me, you should be shot 281 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:41,359 in the head. So, I mean, that's always I've seen that on 282 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:42,680 YouTube. Is something that Tina has deleted. I don't know if they mean 283 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,079 they've deleted it off of their streaming service or if they deleted it from their 284 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,240 YouTube page, but yeah, they're not above that ship. Matt Hardy deleted 285 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,119 with a swipe of the hand. But so much to chew on, so 286 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,480 much to get into, and we do need to remind you it has just 287 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,640 simply been too long out there in the Solar system. Lamb. That total 288 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:04,680 NonStop Hogan has brought to you, in no small part by our friends at 289 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,559 tight nutrition. I'm willing to bet that when Sting stuffs all of those tablet 290 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:12,160 pills in the hull Cogan's mouth to build up bound for glory, that he's 291 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:18,000 giving a nod to tight nutrition. And I think so, brother, dude. 292 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,759 I'm sitting there, brother, I'm like, well, what do you 293 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:21,519 what do you give me? Dude? What do you what do you what 294 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:25,279 are you throwing down my gullet? Brother, you are sitting there. 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It's a very 336 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,559 simple proposition, and we hope to be able to bring you many more brands 337 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:23,640 that might fit that description in the weeks to come, because folks are taking 338 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,160 notice. Boss T and H is not a joke, that's right, and 339 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,039 it's also being reflected on the most powerful Patreon and all of podcasting, I 340 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,559 agree, the one that set the bar to inspire everybody else to try to 341 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,839 chase fame and riches on the platform. It's Patreon dot com, slash the 342 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,279 lapsed fan. You already know what it is, the one you handle it. 343 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,640 That is a great question, and I'm sure for a lot of folks 344 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,000 the answer is no, yeah, and that's fine. But you know, 345 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:55,960 accept where that puts you in the pecking order, that's all. That's all 346 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,319 we're saying. Accept the fact that you know you maybe you don't deserve it, 347 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:04,920 yep, yep, or at least except that you know, just because 348 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,400 you're not up to snuff in that regard, it doesn't mean we can be 349 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,480 blamed for worshiping at the altar of those who are up to snuff. And 350 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:15,839 it's it's simply been too damn long here at the lapsed fan since we've tipped 351 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:22,400 our cap. The core of support that makes all the effort, all the 352 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,640 hours, all the research, all the document retrieval, all the book and 353 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:33,079 file retrieval, both here under the cinemat across the complex worthwhile. And it's 354 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,720 because we know we've got this core of Patreon supporters that, dollar for dollar, 355 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:41,519 are the best podcast audience in the entire genre. Buck Yeah, buy 356 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,599 a mile and we get more and more emboldened to say that when we do 357 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,559 things like the Live of Then in La where we meet so many members of 358 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,279 the Solar System, so many paying members of the Solar System, so many 359 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:59,480 patrons, and just the degree to which they go above and beyond to let 360 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,519 us know that what we do has real impact, you know. And and 361 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,400 they tell us because they can't tell their families because then they'll be laughed out 362 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,079 of the room. Yes, but they tell us. And I'm looking into 363 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,000 these folks eyes, boss, and they and they they mean this, this 364 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:17,599 is this is a lifeline to too many. I gotta tell you, like, 365 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:21,359 you know, it's funny. I was there were some of the friends 366 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,240 and stuff that I saw after that, when when I stayed in la Uh. 367 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,200 You know they were you know, they were like, well, you 368 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,920 know who who? You know? Did all these people that all all these 369 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,400 people came to your show? Did they did they all go to WrestleMania? 370 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,759 And I said no, no, And that was that was to me, 371 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,960 was the one that it was. I was really proud to say that that 372 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:49,119 there were there was a good solid number of people who came out to LA 373 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,119 Yeah, several who flew just for the show, for our for our live 374 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,200 show. And you know, I don't give a fuck. I'll take three 375 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,519 listeners like that over ten thousand listeners who won't lift a finger for us or 376 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,480 put a penny into our into our efforts. That's that's the future. And 377 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:10,799 we've been we've been proving that and paving that way for ten years now almost 378 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:17,400 so it only continues, and the day will come soon where we can do 379 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,519 a formal thanks, a roll call, if you will, of all the 380 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,359 folks that have that have joined us on Patreon since the last sort of gut 381 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:29,039 check we did. But it is time and the next message we're going to 382 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,920 convey here on the podcast only reminded me that it's pastime to tip our cap 383 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,920 to what we like to call around here the one K Club And for those 384 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,319 who might be new to the podcast, might be drawn in by TNH, 385 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960 the one K Club are the true elite of the elite of the lapsed fan 386 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,799 solar system. These are people who not only pledge, but over the course 387 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:51,240 of their lifetimes, have pledged over four figures to the podcast and really are 388 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,480 the people you should think if you enjoy this show. Yeah, you know, 389 00:26:55,519 --> 00:27:00,000 yeah, we all pay taxes, but these folks pay so much more 390 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,880 that you have to you have to acknowledge that. And of course leaving the 391 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,400 league, I think he's going to be undefeated to the days in the ground 392 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:18,039 and probably beyond. And who was incredibly helpful and generous with his time and 393 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,519 treasure on the ground. Absolutely Tom Etanacio, great guy leading the league, 394 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:29,279 quality human being times ten. And yeah, the support that he's shown the 395 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,039 show like it's it's basically impossible to put into words, so I'm not going 396 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,200 to try, but just suffice to say that this serves as not just a 397 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,160 proofpoint that he has you know that he's very generous in a pecuniary sense, 398 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,160 but I'm proud to confirm that he's the kind of guy you'd want to know 399 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,079 even if he didn't have a dollar to his name. Ye. So Tom 400 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,000 leading the league all time biggest pleasure, and I think it's going to take 401 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:57,519 a lot of effort to knock him off his perch. But we do have 402 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,240 to say that Mike Hornecker has always been solidly in contention, nipping at the 403 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,480 heels, and we do want to tip our captain Mike. We also need 404 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,960 to tip our cap to Pedro Rios. Those three are really like the triad 405 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200 at the top. They're like because the distance between them and number four is 406 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,200 significant, so they're the holy Trinity. Thomas Nascio, Mike Hornecker, Pedro 407 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:23,160 Rios. As we stand, Paul Ford, we want to thank you as 408 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,240 well for all of your great support over the years. Brian Blake, Danny 409 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:32,519 an Koivu, Jim Rocco, Robert Holtzhammer, Dominic Herrera, Mark daper Brandon 410 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:37,640 from New Jersey, Joshua Marberry, who we saw out in La Tremendous, 411 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,799 tremendous, but I think he bought a round for the room. Paul Kogan, 412 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,200 Brian Hinz, Harry Cooke, Ronas, will Winthrop, Real, Gus 413 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,559 Polinsky, Mark Wilson, Lewis Perez, Robert Doherty, Alastair the King of 414 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:53,480 Home Style, Joe Ward, Tom Bauer, Pete Cosey, Gerard Martin Laurn, 415 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:57,880 Mason Evil Robot, Zach David Nichol, Christian Bauer, Socks, Ryan 416 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,839 Ball, Ronald Lester McCoy, Marcus Clayson, Joshua Gibson, Jeff Jewett, 417 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,279 Peter Panico, James Riley, Sam Fairbanks, Curtis Anderson, Chris Mains, 418 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:15,079 James Irwin, RP and Polo Dog, Andy Yellinich, Kevin Mills, Paul 419 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,960 the Saints fan, Mike Chippell I apologized, Mike Fhonwi getting that right, 420 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:26,880 Tom Dustin Buchanan, Stephen Cole, Jonas Olson, We continue, Dennis Owens, 421 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,640 Blake downing, Richard Max Vstovski, who was also incredibly gracious with his 422 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,839 time and treasure in la He was really the reason we're out there in the 423 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,240 first place. He reached out to us at random and said, hey, 424 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:44,000 you know, I love going to the Chargers games. I got tickets so 425 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,599 far where how about the coach hairs join? And he couldn't have been more 426 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,799 more critical to pulling the whole thing off as well, getting us to the 427 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,119 chateau like we were running out of their boss, like we had just robbed 428 00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,319 a banker, and he knew exactly where to go on how to get there, 429 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:03,960 and his guiding hand was critical and so proud to say that. He's 430 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,960 also a one K club member, Sammy Conduit, Zach Medress, who is 431 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,599 great to see as well. Recently, I believe in Boston, he joined 432 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:18,720 us for our Moat Only Survivor series party. Brett Contour, Carl from Saint 433 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:26,079 Louis, Matt McIntyre, Cody Faig, Daniel Brian bill Ugh, Christopher Anastasia, 434 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,279 Mark Chalmers, Sean McGerr, Dominic Brad, Max Warrell, Lucky Lagucci, 435 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Robert Hodge, Jared Murray, Brendan Moe, Dan Noble, Rob Wilson, 436 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:41,839 hard Way, Butt Juice, That's corrects right, Andrew, Steve Gotchkov, 437 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,880 Christopher Kreva, great guy. Saw him in Boston as well. Jonathan 438 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,119 Austin, the Cutman, David camin Ester, abe Letier, Scott, Michael 439 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,319 Ferry, Intern, Matt Eric Prater, Simon Andrew molt, Monte Davis Junior, 440 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,200 Mac Nick Williams also a veteran of the Boston Journey. Justin Chambers, 441 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:06,359 Jordan Grindley, Alan McGuire, Joe Frank from Ascogee is almost there. Oh, 442 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,839 I've never made that mistake before, Wow pennies away from qualifying WOW or 443 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,200 the one K clubs. So the next time we do the the honor roll 444 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,039 here, Frank, I'm sorry, I'll be able to tip the cap. 445 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,799 And these are folks, I mean, there are other folks out there, 446 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:25,359 including our good friend zach Um, who have given over a grand and more 447 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,599 over time that we always fret at the fact that this, this list we 448 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,200 have, which is basically you know, patreon generated list of active all time 449 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880 contributions, gives us. It's just the easiest way to do it. But 450 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,319 there are folks that, if you slice and dice the many ways that you 451 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,720 can support the show, certainly belong in the one K club as well. 452 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,720 And it's sort of like the um the POWs you know, yes that we 453 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:56,400 don't know their names, the fallen Unknowns. We tip our cap to them 454 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,480 as well. And if Patreon isn't your thing and you just want to support 455 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440 the show and hip fashion, you can always send us a little bit of 456 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:06,400 juice the lapsed fan at PayPal. Just type our email address in the Lapsed 457 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,640 Fan at gmail dot com and drop a digital tip in the digital tip jar 458 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,839 as well. Let us know, damn right, do you like what we're 459 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,279 doing? We deeply appreciate the support. There's also another way can support the 460 00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:19,480 show, boss. There's a way you can wear the show on your sleeve. 461 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,119 And some of it's tena at tenah adjason. You're on the ground in 462 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,640 LA and your lapsed Army T shirt fully inspired. That is Army T shirts. 463 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,559 I mean that is correct. Let's fucking get it. Tell them about 464 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:36,200 Pro Wrestling Teas Slash. You can go to Pro Wrestling Teas dot com slash 465 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,599 the lapse Fan you can get all of your I mean really, there's more 466 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:45,720 laps swag than you can shake a stick at over there we've got I mean, 467 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:49,240 I think at this point it's hundreds of shirts, like literally, yeah, 468 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,960 hundreds of shirts. Um, obviously there's your lapsed Army I was also 469 00:32:54,079 --> 00:33:01,480 gladly, gladly uh wearing my XLF shirt. Now that will keep the average 470 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,319 American confused for about how absolutely there's a guy think you know, the guy 471 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,200 who didn't read it properly, who definitely thought it was an XFL shirt. 472 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,279 At the Wrestle Con. Yeah. I love the shirt. Hey do you 473 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:15,960 have a team, Like where are you from? Like, oh dude, 474 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,640 I stopped. It's like read it actually read it. H There's also the 475 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,880 the dial this thing in shirt where the Paul Cogan saying we get a dial. 476 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:29,400 The exact quote is to get this thing back on track, we need 477 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,119 to dial it in brother. Yes. Um, and of course any of 478 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,240 your favorite moments that have happened. I mean certainly are our Christmas lineup from 479 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:42,599 last year well section eleven e from the Bash at the Beach two thousand shows. 480 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,839 Yes, yes, I mean that's that's the spirit of that is of 481 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,799 course, ta so so much, so much good shit. Yep, no 482 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,839 question. So a way to wear it proud. Great season t shirts out 483 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:59,000 in LA as well. Um, Max wore the one that said hard to 484 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,359 get excited when it's all fake to WrestleMania. Yes I did. Oh what 485 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,000 a fucking beast, Baldsley moved to say the least. So yeah, we 486 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,719 look forward to not only seeing you, but seeing you elapsed schwag as the 487 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,840 months unfold here and that's where to find it. Of course. Our Patreon 488 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,320 also offers under the cinemat which is a shifting of the host chairs as Boss 489 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,480 Man takes the seat and jumps into his passion for the silver screen as we 490 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,960 review movies involving pro wrestling involving pro wrestlers, and has mentioned we've just embarked 491 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:35,840 after concluding The Ten Commandments featuring what he Strode he Strode who moonlighted as a 492 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,000 pro wrestler for a certain period of time. Um, we're going to go 493 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,199 through all of the marine movies from WW films in succession. We just did 494 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,480 the first one with John Cena. We did indeed, and you know what 495 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,760 this is. This is all this is for TNH. That's what that is. 496 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,760 You can suffer the Marines. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's 497 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,559 definitely punch CounterPunch going on here. Is I force you to accept that Hulkoken 498 00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,960 had this chapter of his life? Oh yeah, the Marine The next one 499 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,599 though, Are you ready for The Marine two featuring ted d Bias Junior. 500 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:12,559 Oh my god, there's a lot to say about that, gentleman. This 501 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:22,199 week, have you seen no basically charged with oh really illegal use of federal 502 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,599 funds? Oh boy, kfebe Mississippi Charity's baby. It was a million dollar 503 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,719 man's son, the million dollars son, I suppose, and a proud man. 504 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:36,760 Right, let's forget it. Indeed, let's get taught another lesson. 505 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,480 I thought we could passed the point where the business was populated. I thought 506 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:45,760 tedd Bias Junior was the generation way past the business being fully populated by carnies 507 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,360 and and shysters. And come on, come on, you know damn well, 508 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:54,400 come on now, it's just another work friends, That's right, that's 509 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,360 right, in a fucking movie, what a joke. Of course, for 510 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,480 your Patreon dollar, you also qualify for our monthly live calls of ww P 511 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:07,440 perview events as we watch Modern ww so you don't have to coming up his 512 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,960 backlash from Puerto Rico. On May sixth, Boss, circle your calendar for 513 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,719 I forget to remind you, that's Saturday night Cody versus Brock. Okay, 514 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,039 welleah ready, I hope, I hope everyone is ready for his fall from 515 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:28,039 grace. So we'll be covering it blow by blow and live call fashion and 516 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,159 it's gonna lose. He's gonna lose. I have no I have no belief 517 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,239 that Cody Rhodes is ever gonna get closer than he did to the World Championship. 518 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960 Hey man, if you listen to those live calls, boss Man, 519 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,440 even though he doesn't watch the product, which is the magic of it, 520 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,480 tends to nail it on stuff like that. So let's see if that prophecy 521 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,400 comes true as well. Of course, the most elite group of all Solar 522 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,719 System members, beyond the uh the one K club, are the members of 523 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,639 the Moat tier. And we know it's a lot of money, and we 524 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,480 know it's a huge signal of support. But because these are guys, these 525 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:06,679 are guys who understand. I don't mean guys necessarily just men, but these 526 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:13,360 are people. These are people who understand. But to truly, to truly 527 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:22,039 accept laps him in your life is to present, be penetrated. Yes, 528 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,440 and wait till we finish Its correct, That's correct. And those folks are 529 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,079 just you know, they're at the front of the line for everything it. 530 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:35,840 We're always brainstorming ways to make that more of a value add for folks. 531 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,440 But really what it is is just a statement that you mean business more than 532 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,920 just about any other supporter of the podcast. Yes and m What you get 533 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,760 in exchange is wrestle Mammia, and that is no small thing Wrestle Mammia featuring 534 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,960 JP's mom watching matches with him and just saying all the things, all the 535 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:59,719 voices that ring in the back of your head as a wrestling fan that's ashamed 536 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:08,679 to be a wrestling fan. Yes and uh. When this drops, people 537 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:15,599 on the Moat Tier will have just listened to Dustin Rhodes versus the Blacktop Bully 538 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,840 from WCW uncensored. It is such a motley assortment of matches that the boss 539 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,039 Man has chose to surface for mama sorrow. But you know, oh yeah, 540 00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:28,760 go back to the living room floor, you know, go back to 541 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,039 the living room carpet of your grandparents house and listen to the snark, listen 542 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:37,159 to the the combination of I know it's phony, but I'm still I still 543 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,000 can't help but react as if these people are actually fighting each other. That's 544 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:45,039 gone from Wrestling Fan, but it's still alive at the at Wresselmammy on the 545 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,000 Moat tier, So we'll see you there. And of course Moate members qualify 546 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,239 for every single thing we put on Patreon as well, including under the Cinemat. 547 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,119 So it's been a while since we've done that download for folks and We 548 00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,719 know a lot of new listeners have come to the table for TNH and the 549 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,840 buzz it's created, so I do know that that is where to be taken. 550 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,719 Seriously, Patreon dot com slashed the Lapsed Fan because podcasting isn't a joke 551 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,599 anymore. It's not a fucking little game. It's something that you know, 552 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,320 if you're gonna do it, you need to have people that are opening their 553 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,800 wallets and saying this is how much it's worth. It's otherwise to do it 554 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,119 right takes way too much effort, agreed, and you just don't even bother. 555 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,840 And I think we prove that. So we'll see you at Patreon and 556 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:34,480 you're also part of wonderfully hilarious conversations. One of my favorite things are the 557 00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:38,280 comments underneath the audio files we post, including us our interview with Brian Knobs 558 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,320 at Russell Khan. Okay, this guy. I just love how shocked he 559 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,360 was when we asked him what Whole Coogan likes for breakfast and if he's ever 560 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,440 made Whole Coogan an omelet. Only the Lapsed Fan is out here doing this. 561 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,559 Yeah. The reason we're bolden to do with this because we know we'll 562 00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:00,519 put our Patreon and we're just gonna have a fucking blast the comments exactly. 563 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,719 So we're out there doing this for you, and so you need to do 564 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,480 it for us as well. And look, not everybody has the financial wherewithal 565 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,760 to qualify for this level of eliteness, we understand, but there are so 566 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,480 many ways you can help TLF and there are so many heroes out there who 567 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:22,280 do so many things. I think of Matt, who's just an absolute fucking 568 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,920 maven at hooking us up with video that we need, oh yes, to 569 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,519 really bring a more textured perspective to our coverage of the wrestling of Lore here 570 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:36,239 on the show. You think of folks like Brian and James who help with 571 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:42,920 with with legal insights and movie insights right and research, and folks these folks 572 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,760 over the years that have done so many things. They have Chromis Lamb and 573 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:54,239 his incredible autist accounts. And there's somebody else out there who is incubating a 574 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,039 fascinating concept. And if you've been on our Twitter in recent days, you 575 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,360 know what I'm talking about. Haystacks Calhoun, who we have shouted out many 576 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:06,920 times. Cawloon, cawloon. That's what did I say, Calhoun said, 577 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:13,880 Jerry Calhoun, Yeah, you said the real name the Gloon as in the 578 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,320 destination Asian restaurant that all the wrestlers go to in Boston after shows at the 579 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,159 Garden. Is responding to people who are like, you know, there was 580 00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:30,159 that time on a lapsed fan where JP said this or Jack said this or 581 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,199 they covered this, and god damn it, I've always wanted to go back 582 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:36,199 to listen to that, but I'm never going to be able to wade through 583 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,840 the sheer girth of the teal f archive to find it. And he has 584 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,840 divined a way, has Haystacks, and he needs your help to be able 585 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,320 to pinpoint exactly when and where in the archives you can go to seek that 586 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,000 memory out. We say hashtag shelf life and this is taking it to the 587 00:41:54,039 --> 00:42:00,599 next level. The following missus to the solar system from Haystacks a question for 588 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,480 the Lapsed Entertainment Group's Ethics panel. All the tea Left discussion about labor, 589 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:08,000 technology, social media, etc. Has always interested me, but the recent 590 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:15,199 discussions about seasons and writing being doomed to choose between egg and watercrest sandwiches and 591 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,159 nothingness. How the open market agrees on assigning value to property in stocks, 592 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,679 US firearm policy, and most recently, weather being able to physically attend the 593 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:28,440 live show in Los Angeles somehow defines the depth and breadth of a solar system. 594 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,000 Members fandom has opened the philosophical door for a question I've pondered for a 595 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:37,360 very long time. Who is the greatest lapsed fan of all time? The 596 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,679 co chairman have clearly stated and repeated the metric that the person who has given 597 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,760 them the most money over the duration of the cast existence is that fan. 598 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,880 Yes, well that is true, But at the same time, it's we're 599 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,599 fortunate that that person also happens to be the greatest labsman of all time. 600 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,920 Yeah, like I said, without a dollar and just lint in his pocket. 601 00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,400 Fair enough. Yes, this is America after all, he continues. 602 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,679 But here's the ethical question. If Vince were to plunk down a one hundred 603 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:10,199 thousand dollars PayPal emphasis on the bow gift on a whim tomorrow, would Vince 604 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,679 McMahon boss suddenly become the undisputed grettist lapsed fan of all time? Is that? 605 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:22,320 How it? W wow? What say you? Um? Uh? 606 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:24,519 You know? No, No, I think I think there is. I 607 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:29,440 think there is more to that. I think there is more than just the 608 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,519 uh, the financial offerings, because also I don't consider Vince mcman to be 609 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,320 lapsed. There's that too, you know. I think that that's that's part 610 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,679 of the that's part of the case. A Stex asked, would the coachairman 611 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,679 ben to his desires? Would he have an open line twenty four seven? 612 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,440 Would they read his emails on the show and shout him out at every opportunity? 613 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,840 Yes, yes, yes, for sure. I mean, are you 614 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,079 kidding me? If I got emails from Vince scman, I would read them 615 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,440 on the show all the time, immediately. I mean, right, a 616 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,920 live report, No question about that, He writes, What do you have 617 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,480 a direct line? Yes, because I mean think about it like this, 618 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,760 then there'd be that much more fodder. Yes, yes, do you want 619 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,400 to enter the fun house? Be my guest and bring you bring your checkbook? 620 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,159 Assigning value, he writes, based exclusively on financial metrics, is a 621 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,000 very tricky business, even in a capitalist society. So my question is, 622 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,880 is the truly greatest lapsed fan that fan who pays the most of the co 623 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,199 chairman cares the most about listening to the cast, or does the most aside 624 00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,800 from the venerable co chairman, of course, for the benefit of the Solar 625 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,800 System. Or could there be room for a complex mixture of all three if 626 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,679 say, a small group of volunteers who didn't necessarily have you know, one 627 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,559 hundred plus dollars at their disposal to pledge every month, but who instead spend 628 00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:58,360 hundreds of combined hours researching, developing, testing, standardizing, and finally employing 629 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:04,159 a method to transcribe into timestamp the entirety of the lapsed archives in order to 630 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,239 make them searchable for the Solar System at large. Where would their fandom rank 631 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:15,039 fellow members of the Solar System. The Lapsed scribes have accomplished their multi month 632 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:22,320 covert mission, and the Lapsed Archive Transcript Service aka LAPS is now complete operational 633 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,920 and awaiting approval, which is hereby granted from Lapsed HQ before opening in some 634 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,400 form or fashion to the Solar System. So here's what you need to do. 635 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:37,400 If you're interested in helping Haystacks in this mission to create a searchable digest 636 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:44,199 of the cast, ye terms and conditions apply. This is a kind of 637 00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,199 thing where you're doing it because you want to help contribute to the effort, 638 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,760 not just leach off of it. And Haystacks has been wonderful on Twitter. 639 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,360 He created a Twitter account essentially just to be able to share this work with 640 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,199 the solar system. YEA, hit him up on Twitter and he will find 641 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,119 what you're looking for. So it's not we're not necessarily I don't discourage anybody 642 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,239 from getting involved if they want to, but we're not necessarily looking for people 643 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,280 that just want to look things up. We're looking for people who want to 644 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,880 help contribute because it's a multi step process to be able to set this up 645 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,960 in a way where you can reliably search for what you're looking for and find 646 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,360 it. But you know, we've gone through several literations of this over the 647 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,719 years. We've said, you know what, send us a screen grab from 648 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,079 your phone of your podcast player that's on the exact time stamp of a moment 649 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,719 that you consider, you know, lapsed fan Hall of Fame worthy. But 650 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,320 that's what we're doing here, is we're establishing what are the Hall of Fame 651 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,119 moments in that catalog. Because when we get new people to the table, 652 00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:39,079 like TNH has has done Boss, it can be intimidating. I mean, 653 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:43,320 I'm sure absolutely. You've talked to people at the podcast and they take a 654 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,079 look at it and they're like, where do I start? Right? Oh? 655 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,159 Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no question, Like they don't even even 656 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:53,000 know where to start. And when we first began the show, so certainly 657 00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,519 it was a media catalog, but you know there are one or two journeys 658 00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:59,840 in there we could point to. Yeah, you know, we've got eight 659 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,760 episodes and these are the five that people seem to to cite the most, 660 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,239 right, But I don't know now that we're at you know, three hundred, 661 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,440 and that's just the numbered episodes. I mean, the amount of files 662 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,920 in the archive is way way beyond that. Oh god, counting cinemat right, 663 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,679 not accounting cinemat not counting uh, you know anything else. We five 664 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,360 calls and Haystacks and company, the lapsed scribes are working on all of it. 665 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,280 So if you want to help him, if you want to contribute, 666 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,320 I mean, this is you know, this is what happens when you grind 667 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,519 as hard and as long and deliver value for hard as long as we have 668 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,559 as folks step up and they say, you know, this stuff needs to 669 00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:40,159 be fucking preserved. This needs to be taken seriously. This is this is 670 00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:45,079 reaching the point that it's historical artifact in some ways. I mean, some 671 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,639 of the stuff we've done and unearthed materials that's never been talked about before, 672 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,000 this is becoming pretty vital history. In addition, together in cite and hilarity 673 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,920 and all the rest. So here's the email. Lapsed dot scribes at gmail 674 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,599 dot com, Lapsed dot s c r I b ees laps dot scribes at 675 00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,679 gmail dot com, Get in touch with Haystacks, get involved in the effort, 676 00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:14,679 get involved in lats and that's what's up this week on that fucking cast. 677 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480 Boss. How about we read something else, it's not a transcript. 678 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,679 How about we read a contract. I think, I think, I think 679 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,320 that's what the fucking mood calls for. I think that's the prevailable I love. 680 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:29,239 Give me some contracts, um you have in your inbox among the many 681 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:36,400 things I sent you Eric Bischoff's TNA contract. Now, we have cited this 682 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,559 before, and we have talked about this before. This this was filed in 683 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:44,559 court because eventually Eric Bischoff goes on to sue TNA Wrestling for wages owed to 684 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:49,159 him that he never received. Many many people ended up meeting that fate as 685 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:57,360 TNAH basically collapsed and could not make payroll anymore reliably. And you know, 686 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,760 attached as a as an exhibit in that lawsuit is a full copy of what 687 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,199 is not his original ten a contract that would have been reached along with Hulkstern 688 00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,400 in two thousand and nine, but is I think perhaps an even more important 689 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:14,159 document. This was ratified on February first, twenty eleven, or at least 690 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,239 that's the effective date of the contract. So we're looking at a contract here 691 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,800 where Eric Bischoff is graduating from you know, Hulk Hogan's sort of keeper. 692 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:30,039 Remember how is pop quiz time? How is Eric Bischoff always characterized his role 693 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:36,880 visa v creative at this point in time, it was just to manage Hogan 694 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,800 and his stories or something right, that's right, with a professed disinterest in 695 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,280 doing really anything beyond that, not getting his hands dirty, not wanting to 696 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,360 deal with contracts or or business things, or as he always qualifies at getting 697 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,039 involved in creative unless asked. Okay, so if you ever did something non 698 00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:58,199 Hogan on the creative side, he's always got some sort of someone asked me 699 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,199 to do it, to do it, or I didn't step forward to do 700 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,719 it, but you're in dangers. Yeah, perhaps, But as the months 701 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:12,639 go, it's becoming pretty clear that Bischoff is more and more involved in the 702 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,960 creative process at TNA was inevitable. He is essentially Hulk, Hogan's lieutenant. 703 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:20,320 Hulk is calling all the shots. If Hulk doesn't want something done in TENA, 704 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,519 it doesn't get done. If he wants it to get done, it 705 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,159 does. And that, with the exception of Dixie Carter, doesn't go for 706 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,880 anybody else. So you tell me who the boss is, and when it 707 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,840 comes to sort of seeing through Hogan's mission, so he doesn't have to be 708 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,800 you know, the person in the room, Eric Bischoff is the one carrying 709 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:38,119 out his hopes and desires and masking those things as his own initiatives when that's 710 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:44,039 what the moment calls for. So this contract, I think at this particular 711 00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,840 juncture in our TNAH journey, is important to read through because it's going to 712 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,079 set the terms under which Bischoff and Hogan sort of fully consolidate power. Remember, 713 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,000 Vince Rousseau was the head writer of TNA when they came in, and 714 00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,599 he's still there at this point in our chronology, Bruce Pritchard has come on 715 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,559 board, as we talked about at Bound for Glory twenty ten ten ten, 716 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,119 So I know you're really thrilled to hear that Bruce was on board Boss Life 717 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:15,280 Jesus Christ and they're just making great moves and and so now it's really becoming 718 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,639 a question Terry Taylor's in there. Um, they've got other writers at Ferrara, 719 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,559 Matt Conway. Who's really how are we to make sense of this sort 720 00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:30,199 of a strange brew, the strange stew of different players that are supposed that 721 00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:35,119 all sort of you can say, are responsible for putting the product on screen 722 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:39,599 that we're we're looking at and reviewing here in TNH. And it's going to 723 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:46,039 finally suss out in twenty eleven. There's going to be a fumigation, if 724 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:50,840 you will, and Russo will be going out by the end of the year, 725 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,239 and Pritchard and Bischoff will will settle into roles that are much more sort 726 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,239 of defined and I think you can interpret as out of a takeover. Really 727 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:07,119 yeah, yeah, Jarrett is pretty much totally excised Jeff Jarrett from the creative 728 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:09,920 process and just running the live events business Now Terry Taylor, who was the 729 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,000 head of talent relations for years at TNA before Bischof and Hogan arrived, is 730 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,559 gone. Of course, Eric Bischof has absolutely no, no love loss for 731 00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:23,440 Terry Taylor, and so pretty much I think we can view this contract is 732 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,039 just one definitive shot across the bow of like, no, TNA is going 733 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:34,199 to sink or swim with Eric Bischoff, Okay, and that means Paul Cogan 734 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,039 and we kind of knew that, but now it's like really being formalized, 735 00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:45,280 because this contract lays out terms where really an iron grip is established and boss, 736 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,599 if you've got the medal. I've got a lot of pages here. 737 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,199 I don't think we'll necessarily have to read through them all, but what we 738 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,440 will do is kind of a you know, the format we typically do when 739 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,760 we handle documents like this, where sure, you present the reading, and 740 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,039 I will interrupt you if I feel like there's a yeah, significant point to 741 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,800 be made, and feel free to pause yourself. But so we're at the 742 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,239 beginning of twenty eleven, and you know how twenty ten ended, you know, 743 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,360 the sort of chess pieces in terms of the storylines that were presented in 744 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,039 what's going on behind the scenes, and just as things are getting back in 745 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,920 track here in twenty eleven, brother, it's time for Eric Bischoff to sit 746 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,239 down with T and A Entertainment LLC of Nashville and cut the following fucking day. 747 00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:30,960 That's where it goes where you only to start here, gentlemen. All 748 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:42,440 right, gentlemen, The following shall confirm the material terms of the agreement reached 749 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,800 between TENA Entertainment LLC, a Delaware limited liability company, and Bishoff Hervey Entertainment 750 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:54,880 Television LLC, a California limited liability together with all of its owners, members, 751 00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:00,599 officers, employees, and affiliates collectively lender for the services of Eric Bischoff 752 00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:07,079 EB, Jason Hervey JH, and Garrett Bischoff GB EB and j H jointly 753 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:15,679 and severally severally. Yeah, just skip over it, in connection with artists, 754 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:22,320 executive producers services for the television series TNA Impact, together with any related 755 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:30,719 programming and events intended for initial broadcast on Spike TV. The parties have heretofore 756 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,480 entered into a short form agreement dated October twelve, two thousand and nine. 757 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:39,320 Right, So there's the original contract, ye calling for lender and artists lender. 758 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440 I don't know why they use this term. I guess if they're lending 759 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:50,079 their services, I guess. But the artist, okay, is m Bischoff 760 00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:55,360 and Hervey. They're referred to as the artist, and there's also references to 761 00:54:55,559 --> 00:55:00,719 lender artist. But I don't understand, like, why is the lender? 762 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,280 Like to me, that's two different parties, But it's not. Lender and 763 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,920 artists are the same thing. They are. They're saying the lender is Bishop 764 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,039 every Entertainment, the corporation. Yeah, and they're seeing the artists are Eric 765 00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:16,559 Bischoff and Jason Hervey individually, and apparently this contract necessitates that the two be 766 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,400 distinguished from each other. I guess. Yeah. And Garrett is tucked in 767 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000 there as well, Eric Bischof's son, who had been training for the ring 768 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,119 for a couple of years I think before he eventually surfaces. And I don't 769 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,880 know, do you know yet? Who who? Garrett is? No? 770 00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:40,039 Excellent? Let's keep going, Um have you seen him? Let's keep going? 771 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,199 Oh? All right? When both when signed by both parties as agreement, 772 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:52,559 shall supersede and replace the consulting Agreement on prospective on them hold on nice. 773 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,920 Terry Bala's name, I'm gonna read this name, so all right, 774 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,079 so consoling riemand solely to the extent of lenders and art obligations they're under, 775 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:05,559 and two producers obligations to compensate lender and artistic they're under, but not too 776 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,480 Terry Balaya's obligations, they're un right. So what they're saying is this new 777 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:15,920 agreement does not affect whatever this October twelve, twenty nine preceding contract said as 778 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,320 it regards Terry Bala. This is an agreement only with Bishof, where it 779 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,480 seems like Bishof and Hogan's deals were put together in twenty oh nine on a 780 00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:30,199 perspective basis for all purposes. So do we realize probably not that basically Bishop 781 00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,119 Hervey Entertainment, which we were sort of like rolling our eyes about, right, 782 00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,000 because they're they're involved in everything, and they're they're doing a million television 783 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,960 shows and this is just they do two three, they do the documentary on 784 00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,360 Hogan, they do the micro Championship wrestling. I think they get in everything 785 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,000 they do. Reaction, they're just finding ways to get paid, right and 786 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,760 annoy me any annoy as Yes, And it turns out they actually end up 787 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:59,480 being the executive producers of the TENA Impact Wrestling show itself. As of this 788 00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:04,400 agreement, they now produce Impact every week. That's crazy. Why is that 789 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:08,320 necessary at? I don't know, but I mean, hell of a deal 790 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,599 for somebody who just doesn't want to get too involved in the weeds over at 791 00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:15,440 t and A. Huh. I know, I'll produce the whole fucking show. 792 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,599 The production company I bring to the table will produce the whole show. 793 00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:21,880 But you know, I just want to I just want to mind whole Coogan's 794 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:30,480 business. It's crazy. One term. The party's agreed that the term of 795 00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:34,760 the consulting Agreement as between Producer and Lender is here by deemed to have expired 796 00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:40,119 as of date immediately proceeding the effective date. The term of this agreement shall 797 00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:45,480 commence on the effective data, and shall continue to and including September thirty, 798 00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:52,119 twenty twelve. U must otherwise terminated pursue into the terms they're hereof, notwithstanding 799 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:57,239 anything like that word as a good word. Notwithstanding, how do you notwithstand 800 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:05,159 It's a great question. I withstand everything, what notwithstanding anything to the contrary 801 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,880 contained here in the grant of rights in and to the programs and the representations, 802 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,360 warranties, indemnities and confidentiality provisions contained here, and we'll survive the expiration 803 00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:22,559 or earlier termination of this agreement. So the contract runs until September thirty, 804 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:28,440 twenty twelve, all right, which is kind of weird because around October there's 805 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,079 reports in the newsletters that Hogan and Bischoff reached new contracts. Now there's a 806 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:36,159 big lag in terms of like people picking up on the fact that this deal 807 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,360 is done. I don't really see anything in the newsletters that indicates, you 808 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,239 know, that they know about it until like the springtime. Yeah, this 809 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,880 was signed in February. But it's kind of fun to go back and watch 810 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,119 the impacts back then and just try to detect, like, okay, like 811 00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:51,239 all right, now Bischoff really has his hand on the wheel. What changes 812 00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:53,159 am I noticing? What differences am I noticed? Right? But vincerus so 813 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,960 still involves. He's still the head writer. When Terry Taylor gets fired in 814 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,079 May, Bruce Pritchard becomes head of talent Relations, which is basically, you 815 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:05,639 know, the Jim Ross job, but not really creative in nature. And 816 00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,239 he was brought in initially to help produce backstage interviews and vignettes and skits. 817 00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:12,360 He was involved in a lot of the Jeff Jarrett Karen angles stuff, all 818 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,599 the wedding skits and the skits they did about it. Was he involved in 819 00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:22,320 their sexual relations He's never said as much, um, but that's all I 820 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:28,920 can say there. All right, all right? Section two engagement producer hereby 821 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,559 engages lender and artist during the term to provide wrestling consultant services. How do 822 00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:38,039 I get into that programs? Seriously? What do you so? What are 823 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,719 you guys to do? Oh? Well, I work for this company and 824 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,320 I provide wrestling consultant services. Excuse me, That's what TNA was missing all 825 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,840 these years. Bet in business in twenty two, got the Spike contract doing 826 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,039 you know pretty well on pay per view, did some record numbers in twenty 827 00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:57,599 eight nine, and yeah, we just needed wrestling consultant services. Of his 828 00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,599 views, I need to I need to shake the hand of the lawyer who 829 01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:07,199 came up with that fucking term for the programs as set forth in the Lender 830 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:13,480 Artist agreement and so called executive producer services under the title of executive producer impact 831 01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:19,719 for the programs on a pay or play basis subject to producer's rights in the 832 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:24,840 event of default, incapacity, or force measure, Producer acknowledges that, prior 833 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,360 to the effective date, artist has provided services for one or more episodes of 834 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:35,760 impact the pre effective date services for which lender has been paid fully compensated. 835 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,320 Lender an artist here by assign all of their right title and interest in and 836 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:46,679 to the results and proceeds of the pre effective date services for no additional compensation, 837 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,119 basically saying, anything you've worked on prior to this is ours, and 838 01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,480 we've paid for it, and you agree to that. Section three Services three 839 01:00:54,519 --> 01:01:04,000 point one a brother as what as used in this agreement. Services shall collectively 840 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:08,519 mean executive producer services, which shall include those duties set forth on Exhibit B, 841 01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:14,760 together with any talent services as defined below, and any other services actually 842 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,440 provided by lender or artist in connection with the programs, including any so called 843 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,880 creative and or writing services they're providing creative and writing services and or writing services 844 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,519 to t NA productions of entertainment. In addition, lender an artist hereby agree 845 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:35,960 to provide the services which are customarily provided by executive producers in the television industry, 846 01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:38,920 and which are reasonably necessary to fully develop and produce the programs, and 847 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:45,159 to supervise and provide executive producer services in connection with development, pre production, 848 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,039 production, and post production of the programs in accordance with the production schedule. 849 01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:52,679 Eric finally did it? He got that executive producer title back? Yeah right. 850 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:59,800 Let's hear one, two, three, four times in that last sentence 851 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:07,280 is the word production used? Yes? Not not even including producers right Section 852 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,559 B. In addition to the foregoing during the terms, during the term services 853 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:19,559 here under shall also include EBS and GB's performance wrestling, acting services and related 854 01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,559 rights e g. Merchandise rights, home video DVD rights, trademark rights, 855 01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:29,719 name and likeness rights, talent services which will be provided to producer in accordance 856 01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:34,400 with the respective terms and conditions of the talent agreements, including the scope of 857 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:39,719 the respective exclusivity provisions. They're under attached here to on Exhibit C with respect 858 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:45,639 to EB the EB Talent Agreement and Exhibit D with respect to GBBGB Talent Agreement, 859 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,800 both of which are made part here of and incorporated herein by reference. 860 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,519 The EB Talent Agreement and GB Talent Agreement being sometimes collectively referred to as the 861 01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,719 talent agreements. Yeah, I'm gonna spare you. So that's kind of how 862 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,400 dense it is. Ev of course, gb Garrett Bishop Garrett. So Section 863 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:12,960 C covers wrestling and television related consultants, oh my god services and when losing 864 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,079 the requested the services shall include the duty to advise the producer that is Spike 865 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,400 in connection with the wrestling industry and on related television industry matters. We want 866 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,719 to consult with you in connection with the wrestling industry. I mean, we 867 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,719 just don't know what the fuck's going on that may that's pretty much an acknowledgement 868 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,440 that I mean to be to be quite honest, you know, Eric, 869 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,480 we we don't you know, even even when when Vince was here, we 870 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,880 didn't fucking watch that ship. We have no idea what's going on in the 871 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,239 wrestling industry. We we now want to be connected and we want to have 872 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:52,679 a council and is going to be provided here than wrestling and wrestling matters in 873 01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:59,199 regards to the television industry development skills is that is that wrestling matters with the 874 01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:06,360 capital W and capital M as far as that goes. So Yes. In 875 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,880 addition, during the term lender and artists shall make reasonable good faith efforts to 876 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,239 make introductions and connections within the entertainment industry. For producer, we want to 877 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,480 kind of you take things to the next level. You know what, how 878 01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:21,639 can we move forward? Bous money. You let them know in sets and 879 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,039 d here the kind of services, the kind of quality of service, the 880 01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:30,079 level of service that SPIKE is expecting or TNA is expecting. Lender shall provide 881 01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:36,599 artists services consistent with first class, first rate television programming in the United States, 882 01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:43,800 and or as reasonably necessary, desirable, or appropriate in producers reasonable discretion 883 01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,559 for the production of the programs. Except as set forth in the Talent Agreements, 884 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,880 all of lenders artist services and activities here under shall be subject to the 885 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:58,440 reasonable supervision, direction, and control of Producer, including the obligation to report 886 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,599 to designated staff of Producer in providing such services. Lender Artists shall at all 887 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:09,559 times provide the services of artists who shall exercise their professional skill and judgment in 888 01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:14,920 accordance with the highest professional standard professional standards, folks, and shall perform such 889 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,400 services in a good and workman like manner. Well, it depends what you 890 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,559 mean by work Yeah, right, I'll tell you they I mean, there's 891 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:27,639 no definition of what workman is there. While performing these services. Lender artists 892 01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:33,119 shall use all appropriate protocols and courtesies reasonably required by producer to be afforded to 893 01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:38,920 producer employees, talent and affiliates, and shall be subject to compliance with the 894 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:44,880 producers policies regarding conduct and other matters. These policies include, without limitation, 895 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,079 compliance with all laws, rules, and regulations relating to lender artists conduct, 896 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:55,559 conduct of affairs in performing the services, including but not limited to, conflicts 897 01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:57,920 of interests. You have a contract that says you can't break the law of 898 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,360 very interests, right right? Um? Okay, there's that. You have 899 01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:06,960 results, number of regular reports and analysis. Oh god, can you imagine 900 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,280 the charts and the graphs. Give me a fucking break. Payments made to 901 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,960 any person shall not be used for any improper on unlawful purposes, including any 902 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,480 form of commercial bribe, kickpack or influenced payment. Bill Bishop's all about kickbacks, 903 01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:25,480 isn't the impairments? Right? Matches? I know front leg kickbacks? 904 01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:30,679 Right? You can hang a sign checks cash as well, from what I 905 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,079 understand, right, um? Oh jesus here ye, yes, yes, 906 01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:41,159 yes, except to reject any interpretation. Okay, production scheduling, Um, 907 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:47,840 okay, got that, where's the story Bible in here? Yes, artists 908 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:58,480 and lenders shall provide a first, first class biblical story, uh folder biblical 909 01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:03,360 scale story. Bischoff on a recent podcast was saying like he kind of admitted 910 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:08,280 that the he planted the whole idea of a story Bible in Spike's head. 911 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,599 Uh. He was sort of like, I mean, come on, man, 912 01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:15,079 it's so fucking dumb. Like he told them, like, you know, 913 01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:18,079 we used to do story Bibles and that maybe that's what we need here. 914 01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:23,000 Because it basically sounds like I have to say it, basically sounds like 915 01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,719 Bischoff was going into business for him for himself in terms of how often he 916 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,119 was interfacing with Spike. You know, he's like like a fly to the 917 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,079 to the flame. You know, he's like a like a moth to the 918 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,480 flame when it comes to like people who actually have real jobs in TV. 919 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:44,679 And so he's like always talking about Scott Fishman and knatin K and name dropping 920 01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,559 them to he's such a fucking moron. And he's involved in the focus groups 921 01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:50,840 in the Two Way Mirror and all that shit, and New York New York 922 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,840 La la blah blah blah. And and one of the things he uh he 923 01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,760 said on a podcast was that he um mentioned that you know it is prior 924 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,840 days or it is you know, his television career with Jason Hervey, that 925 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,239 they would do story bibles. Sure, and uh, I don't know if 926 01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:11,920 you know the industry term boss story bible essentially meaning yeah, uh, it's 927 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,600 it's basically, it's it's your story, your your your bible. Uh, 928 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,520 if you're doing a TV show, is basically where you're going with it, 929 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,079 what's the end game? Where are you going? You're going from here to 930 01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:28,000 hear to hear, to hear to hear. It's just it's just basically it's 931 01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:31,640 not uh it's not full scripts per se, but it's knowing where your story 932 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:38,279 is beginning, where your story is going to right. It's it's it does 933 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,800 not make sense for wrestling in in in because in at least from from what 934 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,840 I know, it usually involves an end game. Yeah, you know, 935 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:53,039 kind of like where this series is going to end. And you don't have 936 01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:56,640 that really in wrestling, because there's no there's no season ending. You know, 937 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,600 it's a year, it's a it's it happens just continuously, yeah, 938 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,680 all the time. Where you know, if you're writing a Bible, essentially 939 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,960 you're outlining um each season saying, Hey, we're gonna start here, and 940 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,840 we're gonna do tell this story. And what's going to happen at the very 941 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,000 end is this. At a time, did Spike and after dropping that little 942 01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:19,960 Jesus, that little brainworm, wouldn't you know, a couple of weeks later 943 01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:25,119 or several weeks later, Tna Dixie if I remember in correctly comes up to 944 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,319 him and say Spike wants a story Bible. It's like, oh, that's 945 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,439 a great idea. Yeah, oh god, that's kind of big game it's 946 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,439 being played. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't. I 947 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:38,000 just don't see. I mean, I understand the idea. I get. 948 01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:40,960 I mean, I guess in a weird way. I guess it's kind of 949 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,279 the way like we like on Cinemat. We talked when we were looking up 950 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:51,319 Freddie Prince and yeah, he was talking about how they they started WrestleMania and 951 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:59,199 worked their way backwards. But it kind of but from what I know, 952 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,399 when you have your story Bible or your Bible there, you know what you're 953 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:08,039 starting too, like you kind of you know exactly every you know, all 954 01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:11,760 the beats, Whereas from what it sounds like with with Freddie Prince when he 955 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,079 was writing for WWE, they don't even know where they're going. They just 956 01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:15,279 know where they're gonna end up, right, They don't know how they're going 957 01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,359 to get there. But a story bible kind of is like it has all 958 01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:20,880 the points to it, like, you know, we want to have this 959 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:27,640 episode about this, but it's not a full script and very interesting. Yeah, 960 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,479 So here is a clause where TENA agrees that they will be the party 961 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:39,159 that has to furnish all rights personnel and solely responsible for administering all of employee 962 01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:42,319 payroll. This is, you know, again hands off with the business side 963 01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,720 of things, entering into an administering all required licenses, releases and contracts, 964 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,920 furnishing all below the line and above the line personnel, and prepare budgets. 965 01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:56,000 Producer that is TNA will be solely and entirely responsible for complying with the identification, 966 01:10:56,119 --> 01:11:00,720 verification and record keeping requirements. It's to hunkake great good to know artist 967 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:08,279 services shall be rendered on a non exclusive mm active substantive basis um. It 968 01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:12,760 has understood. If artist's presence is reasonably required at any location other than a 969 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,159 schedule and impact taping, other than as required pursuant either of the talent agreements, 970 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:24,520 then producer and artist shall reasonably cooperate to accommodate artists other professional I really 971 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,319 I hate contract. So there's a carve out for whenever they you know, 972 01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:32,079 Bischoff wants to fly for a television business that's not wrestling related, there's a 973 01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:35,560 reasonable expectation that he'll be allowed to do that. That's how I read that. 974 01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:40,399 So this is, yeah, this is obviously pretty dense stuff, but 975 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,039 this is just like why don't you know? And I mean I know I've 976 01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:45,000 asked this every time we were at a contract, Like, why can't be 977 01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:49,239 fucking write it in normal people language? Yeah, it's I don't know, 978 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,359 right. Contracts are not written to be read easily. They're written to include 979 01:11:55,439 --> 01:12:00,720 as many possibilities as possible, to cover as many potential things that could happen 980 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,039 as possible. So that I mean, you feel wrong, you can go 981 01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:09,159 back and look through it and find something that technically applies to your situation. 982 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:15,039 Except couldn't you say? Look, there is not a single issue in the 983 01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:20,760 entire planet that has ever happened or will happen that can that you're allowed to 984 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:28,399 do according to this contract. I could say that I'm sure, But the 985 01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,680 shorter the contract, the less lawyers have to pick out and make hay out 986 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,760 of. You know, when the time comes, they need nice, long, 987 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:41,119 thick paragraphs to find their way in. Okay, In addition to the 988 01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:45,520 exclusive rights set forth and talent agreement, bishops will not perform any services, 989 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,600 including promoting, producing, executive producing, or otherwise acquiring or granting any rights 990 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:57,439 or interests directly or indirectly, any wrestling related program unless and until it is 991 01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,920 fully complied with the provision set forth in this paragraph. Okayse, this is 992 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,199 basically a big rundown of what he has to do um if he wants to 993 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:10,359 take any other wrestling related UM opportunities. So there's this, there's this, 994 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,920 let's get to let's get to the side letters, because that that really is 995 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,000 what what what tells the tale? Okay, Um, the parties acknowledge that 996 01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:23,880 producer show require services in Nashville Orlando, party show work together in goodaith to 997 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:28,520 accommodate schedules and travel requirements and the need I'm looking for that first class accommodation. 998 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,920 It has understood that Bischoff shall be provided on location services for each impact 999 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,680 and pay per view taping, and that yes, yes, Jason Hervey shall 1000 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:40,600 be providing a reasonable number on location services. Of course, wonder what they 1001 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:49,520 mean by on location services. Worse, because you know as always that U 1002 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:55,680 Bischoff would stay in the nicest hotel and he'd stay in the shitty dumpy motel 1003 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,039 to piss him off. And the event producer requires artists to travel to a 1004 01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,239 location more than seventy five miles from the artists permanent residence in connection with the 1005 01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:08,000 performance of services here under, producers shall provide and or pay for round trip 1006 01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:12,159 airfare, ground transportation to and from the venue, rental car sort of. 1007 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,319 The wrestlers would like to have that too, by the way, Yeah, 1008 01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:16,520 right, as required and reasonab accommodations, room and tax only, provided that 1009 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,760 airfare, lodging in per diem for Jason Hervey and Eric Bishof shall be governed 1010 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:25,279 by the terms of the bishof Talent Agreement subject booking limitations. I mean, 1011 01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:28,640 if you didn't put that in in your fucking contract, Russo that's your fucking 1012 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,560 problem, man. You should you're an idiot, Absolutely, dude, negotiate 1013 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,279 that shit. Yeah. Here, it is black and white. They're willing 1014 01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:41,840 to do it. Shall be booked at coach terms of the talent agreement. 1015 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,960 Okay, yeah, they make they make provision for coach, so I think 1016 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,880 maybe later they speak to first class, delimitate availability, business class, require 1017 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:54,000 booking, connecting flights. All travel arrangements must be made through producers, location 1018 01:14:54,119 --> 01:15:02,000 or travel department. Okay. Reimbursement for preapproved business expe invoice invoices, public 1019 01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:10,960 siting, confidentiality. We know that's about work product. Okay, And then 1020 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:16,439 we have here. Let's go to page which page representation, warranty's independent contractor, 1021 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:21,399 status and demnification, Insurance, in junctive relief, severability assignment, additional 1022 01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:30,640 documents, notices, asscellaneous signature page. Okay, so let's go to Exhibit 1023 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,800 A. This is the personal inducement attached to and made a part of that 1024 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,600 certain agreement. Oh yeah, ye, between T and A and Bishoff, 1025 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:45,159 her of Entertainment Television to mister Bischoff, Jason Irving, Garrett Bischoff. All 1026 01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:50,159 right, there you go, personal inducement. Personal inducement reference is hereby made 1027 01:15:50,199 --> 01:15:56,159 to the certain agreement dated as of by and between t and A Entertainment LLC 1028 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,560 and Bischoff Hervey Entertainment Television LLC. For inter Alia, my services in connection 1029 01:16:03,119 --> 01:16:09,039 with what does that mean? With inter forget my services in connection with certain 1030 01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:15,479 programming is defined in the agreement produced by producer the quote project section. Hey, 1031 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,359 I am familiar with all the terms, covenants and conditions. I love 1032 01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:24,640 that fucking Oh yeah. They have a covenant of the agreement, and I 1033 01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:29,359 hereby consent to the execution thereof. I will perform and comply with all of 1034 01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:32,039 the material terms, covenants, conditions, and obligations of the agreement. Actually, 1035 01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:34,680 even if I'm anna apologize, Let's go to Exhibit B. I thought 1036 01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,600 this was I thought that was Exhibit B. This is description of services. 1037 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,279 This is basically here we go, Oh, here we go, document that 1038 01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:45,279 describes what the hell it is. Bischoff is being hired to do description of 1039 01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:51,720 services. Job summary to act as executive producer of Impact Production and serve as 1040 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:57,800 primary point person for network executive in charge as it relates to all issues of 1041 01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,560 the show. Position reports to President and Chief Financial Officer of TNA Entertainment LLLC. 1042 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,800 Would be of course, uh, Dixie, and I think Dean's broadhead 1043 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:09,479 and say, you know, it's like you know, the network picks up 1044 01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,920 the phone. Eric, right, how are you accord to this contract? 1045 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:17,840 You have to be my primary point person? Eric? Kay, buddy, 1046 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,920 how's it going down there? Scott? How are you? Oh? God, 1047 01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:26,640 I just let out this weather and Cody yeah, well, you know, 1048 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:31,279 I listen. I appreciate that. But um, I got some questions 1049 01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:36,760 here regarding some of the uh the the Impact television programs. It's having a 1050 01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,640 bit of an impact on our bottom line. I'm gonna saying it's having kind 1051 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:46,560 of an impact on my books right now? Happy, So right now, 1052 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:54,560 I'll tell you we get some total NonStop accounting going on here. That's why 1053 01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:59,840 they changed it to Impact Wrestling, all right. So he's gonna serve as 1054 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:05,920 the primary point of contact. That's great. Is going to do essential functions 1055 01:18:08,119 --> 01:18:13,119 Number one serve as primary point of contact for network executive in charge as executive 1056 01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:18,720 producer Impact on all issues relating to Impact and other ancillary TNA programming to be 1057 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:26,600 delivered to network in including pay per views which relate to Impact storylines, eg. 1058 01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:31,560 Overall production planning and process final cuts, Network show notes, continuity issues, 1059 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:38,920 scheduling, standards and practices, publicity and promotional campaigns, etc. Number 1060 01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:45,279 two Supervision of all production and post production personnel. Three Serve as a member 1061 01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:49,760 of the creative team and work with Head of Producers Creative Department to present network 1062 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:58,760 concept slash story arcs of show in thirteen week cycles or in such other cycles 1063 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,119 or time periods as the network may otherwise require. Wanted it in thirteen week 1064 01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:08,000 cycles, that's the story bible, basically, Yeah, essentially, yeah, 1065 01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:13,720 right. Number four Communicate frequently with TNA executives and alert them to concerns and 1066 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,960 issues from network, and closely coordinate with TNA senior executives. Prior to communication 1067 01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:24,000 with senior network executives, I EM, that's a confusing one, Okay, 1068 01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:29,359 yeah, I executives higher in rank than the network executive in charge. This 1069 01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,119 is all where they get the network from. If from this on, a 1070 01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:34,279 lot of the programming we're going to cover this time, I can't fucking handle 1071 01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:39,600 that network. It suddenly cannot handle that position to Bishop once again, once 1072 01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,479 again, it becomes fucking business. It's like, you know, it's all 1073 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,760 about like behind the scenes TV shenanigans, Like it's all about what we're reading 1074 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,479 right now. I know it's like, who care, Like, stop making 1075 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:57,359 that you're on screen fodder, Like just just get two guys who hate each 1076 01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,680 other and have them fight. No one care. Here's about the fucking network 1077 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:06,920 and the EPs and the fucking uh grow you know all that shit, Like 1078 01:20:08,119 --> 01:20:12,359 shut up, you motherfuckers. I feel like it all comes from a place 1079 01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,359 of a bunch of carnies who are like, you know, if we make 1080 01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:21,319 the people who actually sign the checks feel like they're part of the storylines on 1081 01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:25,600 the show, be it Dixie Carter, be it the network, be it 1082 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:32,439 whatever, m Hogan and Bischoff and in others, um celebrities, if we 1083 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:38,279 make them feel like they're part of the show, it'll actually add to our 1084 01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:42,079 job security somehow, Like I mean, even if it's total shit in terms 1085 01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:45,800 of fan interest, it's like, but isn't that. Isn't that the job 1086 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,840 security getting fan interest and ratings? Like, but if you don't, in 1087 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,720 your heart of heart, believe that there's really any chance to move needles, 1088 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,920 maybe your next best shot as well. Let's let's at least keep this gravetraining 1089 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,520 going as long as we can by making people feel like television stars. They 1090 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,960 talked about me so many times on the Damn Show I Can't win in I 1091 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:09,600 think that's great that it just shows loyalty. That's a big one. People 1092 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,159 have talked about that, Bruce Pritchard and others about how one thing people always 1093 01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,920 want a wide pad to energy finance TNA, Well what do they see in 1094 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,399 the business, because there are people across that company which built power plants that 1095 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:24,239 really, just like Turner Time Warner, really didn't want to see it in 1096 01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:27,279 the books. I just don't understand why the hell will get what were we 1097 01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:30,800 financing this ship for? And Pritchard is said, like Bob Carter would love 1098 01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,119 to go to his country clubs and say that, you know, somebody like 1099 01:21:33,159 --> 01:21:36,439 a Hulk, Hogan or Sting worked for him, and that's really what got 1100 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:41,520 him off. It's being able to say that, Bob, Bob, Pal, 1101 01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:47,039 we I understand that you liked that, the attention from the the wrestlers 1102 01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:53,000 and the quote unquote celet this is the country club director that calls him into 1103 01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:57,520 the office. But I gotta tell you, Pal, you know it's disturbing 1104 01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,319 our other you know, our other members. I don't really know if you 1105 01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,800 understand sort of the connotations. You know, you're brag about having wrestlers on 1106 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,279 you, you know, because because we consider ourselves to be a you know, 1107 01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:17,319 a high class establishment, and we like to promote high class ideals. 1108 01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:20,880 And uh, you know when you talk about this guy runs a golf cult, 1109 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,680 of course, and he says, we'd like to promote high class ideals. 1110 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,399 I just want to look at let the record reflect. He said that. 1111 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,399 I could hear him say it. I really could. And you know, 1112 01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:38,520 when you talk about you know, uh, you know, a gentleman 1113 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,359 like a Hulk Hogan or a Rick Flair who work in a certain profession, 1114 01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:46,960 it, uh, you know, it sort of degrades exactly what it is 1115 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:54,079 we're trying to uphold here, and I simply can't have that. So we're 1116 01:22:54,079 --> 01:22:59,600 gonna ask you to turn in your membership card and uh, well we're gonna 1117 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:05,399 part way get out. Bob's going to the other club across town and he's 1118 01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:10,119 gonna make a huge fucking donation. They're gonna get a new patio, they're 1119 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:15,920 gonna get a new panini press for the for the club sandwich stand. And 1120 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,399 then they'll see he'll buy a fucking espresso for that. They'll be high end 1121 01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:24,640 over that side of time. I understand that the whole thing. But I'm 1122 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:32,399 gonna tell you, you know what, no amount of money could raise the 1123 01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:40,399 fact that he is just quite simply a lowbrow and such that he has such 1124 01:23:41,239 --> 01:23:45,920 a lack of you know, seriousness. If you brag about being involved in 1125 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,199 wrestling, you know, if he if he finds it to be a you 1126 01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:56,479 know, a bragging point to to associate with the degenerates of that nature, 1127 01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,680 pay them upwards of two million dollars from what I understand, and actually even 1128 01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:05,079 employ them to the you know, I just I simply, you know, 1129 01:24:05,399 --> 01:24:10,720 to me that that's that's just a form of abuse. Love this, you 1130 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,840 know, I've you know, I understand like a cowboy Bob kill about cowboy 1131 01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,439 invitation, but we end up imitating the manager at the golf club that he's 1132 01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:30,520 bragging at. That's d NH is floor in a bullet point three was it 1133 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:38,560 or four? We were in uh five? We're at five um supervised prepar 1134 01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:44,760 preparation and execution of Impact production schedule and provide to network and all pertinent production 1135 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:50,479 personnel number six approval of the final cut of Impact and other related TNA programming 1136 01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:59,800 assigned to deliver to the network final cut. Number seven work with CFO on 1137 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,159 budget aspects as it relates to impact. You didn't want to do that, 1138 01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:10,319 Eric, There is Number eight serve as main liaisons for the four and with 1139 01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:15,920 Chief Marketing Officer to provide direction and creative concept of marketing materials. All right, 1140 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,399 let's get this meeting over with. Let me kick my feet up on 1141 01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:21,279 the desk. What do you got? Well we want to go with all 1142 01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:29,359 all right, what do you what are you got? I'm gonna have a 1143 01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:33,039 beer. I figured something else out to the bishof invitation. Yeah, it's 1144 01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:36,520 visual though, it's it's not a voice. Yeah. Well, one thing 1145 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,800 he does is when he's talking, he'll be talking looking straight ahead and then 1146 01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,239 his eye will dart up into the right, like so yeah, yeah. 1147 01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,439 So if you're if you're sitting there at home or wherever you're listening to this, 1148 01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,760 I want you to just like look straight ahead and then dart your eyes 1149 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,079 up into the right while tilting your head in that direction as well. In 1150 01:25:57,119 --> 01:25:59,800 the middle of making a point. You know, did I know that w 1151 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,760 W going out of business? Yes? Did I care? No? And 1152 01:26:03,359 --> 01:26:09,000 every every care did Just look up to the right, did I care? 1153 01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:14,239 No, I'm what are you suppose? You know? But what why? 1154 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,319 That's what I'm asking myself. Oh man, they didn't end wo documentary in 1155 01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:23,199 A and E and he is they got the fucking the house there in Montana 1156 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,880 and he's walking the dog and it's like six thirty in the morning, and 1157 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,199 he's got a mug a coffee, and it's like, oh Jesus Christ, 1158 01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:33,000 this guy he's exactly who we say he is. I mean, I went 1159 01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:40,239 out this morning and I shot a deer with my bow and arrow. I'm 1160 01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:45,760 bringing up I'm venison for dinner. He's talking on his podcast how he gets 1161 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,800 him at four thirty in the morning to watch the show he's gonna review and 1162 01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:55,079 gets caffeinated, and oh, I imagine like his whole day revolves around, 1163 01:26:55,239 --> 01:26:58,640 you know, and like he you know, like around noon, he gets 1164 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,239 he goes on his on his motorcycling, goes to like the center of town 1165 01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:04,279 to like, yeah, you know he's gonna yeah, he's gonna write yeah 1166 01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:11,319 every day, right exactly, says High. You know, maybe maybe he 1167 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:16,239 grabs a drink at the bar, you know about right, you know, 1168 01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:21,720 I'm gonna run from mayor next year, you know, before you know, 1169 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,479 but he's in he's back up back up home by two, back up home 1170 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,520 by two, so he can go into his uh you know, he's gonna 1171 01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,720 start prepping dinner, you know. So he goes into his fucking like, 1172 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:43,800 uh, his meat locker that he has on premises. You it's exactly what 1173 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,720 he does, you know. When he like goes through, like I imagine, 1174 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,720 he's just like, you know, these fucking hanging pieces of meat, 1175 01:27:49,399 --> 01:27:54,840 you know, they're like chilling and stuff, and he's like he's got taxidermy 1176 01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:59,640 everywhere, right, but you know he's in this in this fucking uhh this 1177 01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:03,359 you know, this giant walk in refrigerator, you know, where he's gonna 1178 01:28:03,359 --> 01:28:06,800 all these hanging pieces of meat, and he's just like pushing them aside, 1179 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:12,279 like almost like suits in the closet. You know, what's for dinner for 1180 01:28:12,359 --> 01:28:15,439 dinner, All meats, you know. And that's the thing. You know, 1181 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,560 Oh, I I killed all these animals myself. These are not these 1182 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:24,640 are not store bought. Get high and watch the antelope. Yeah, and 1183 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,359 then you know he'll go down, He'll go down to the uh this is 1184 01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:30,520 you know, okay, so picture this all right, So after that. 1185 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,880 So after he picks the meat and he brings it up because it's gonna be 1186 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,159 before he cooks it, it needs to be room temps. So it's gonna 1187 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,039 put it. He's gonna bring it upstairs, you know. He cuts off 1188 01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:43,760 the cut whatever it is, and he bring brings it upstairs in the kitchen 1189 01:28:44,199 --> 01:28:46,560 to put it on the the uh, the counter, so it gets to 1190 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,760 be room temp And then he goes down to the garden. All right, 1191 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,000 He goes onto his garden and he and he's gonna pick some vegetables. But 1192 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,039 you know, he crouches down on his like you know, so like he's 1193 01:28:58,079 --> 01:29:00,840 just kind of leaning on his knees, but crouching down on his feet, 1194 01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,760 you know, like just looking in and eyeing all the vegetables and like touching 1195 01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,840 them. Which one, and then he looks up, takes a nice a 1196 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:16,840 knife nice deep breath of that fresh, wyoming air, oh right, you 1197 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,600 know, and then he goes back in. And then and then at this 1198 01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,840 point, you know, he's you know, he's starting to when he when 1199 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:30,520 he starts uh chopping the vegetables, he's got his uh, he's got his 1200 01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,199 like uh re reading glasses on like kind of down to his nose. All 1201 01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:45,039 right, all right, he's got he's got fucking like he's he's he's gotta 1202 01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:51,399 he's got like a half filled glass of wine next to him, all right, 1203 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:59,680 And and he's got like a radio channel with with uh playing not it's 1204 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:04,960 like unknown classical artists. All right. Oh, the funniest thing you've said. 1205 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,920 And it's been there's been a lot, but you know what it was. 1206 01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:15,640 And he gets home at two. It's just so perfect for some reason. 1207 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,720 Oh, it's a he's still living in a time where like you had 1208 01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,399 to do everything in daylight and when it's nighttime you had to go to sleep. 1209 01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:27,239 Because you can see it right right right, he doesn't want to be 1210 01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,439 out, you know. Well they're bears, you know, let me out 1211 01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,159 when the bears come out. All the bowls are here too. So let's 1212 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:39,760 see service liaison with the chief marketing officer. And then it goes that tangent 1213 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:47,479 number nine please work with the network executive in charge its executive to create, 1214 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:56,560 supervise, and execute any of network's feature integrated marketing opportunities. To me, 1215 01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,960 that's good, that's a great one. Um. Well, Eric, you 1216 01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,960 know what we're thinking is, you know when it comes down to it, 1217 01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:10,760 There're gonna be times when you know, Spike wants to uh integrate you know, 1218 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:15,600 other marketing opportunities with TNA and Impact, and so I think what we're 1219 01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:20,560 and we want to have that opportunity to you know, maybe collaborate on that. 1220 01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:26,079 You know, you you create, you supervise, and you execute any 1221 01:31:26,119 --> 01:31:29,279 of these ideas. But I just think that that's an opportunity, Excuse me, 1222 01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:35,000 that's an opportunity to really push forward both brands, that the Spike brand 1223 01:31:35,079 --> 01:31:40,239 and the ten A brand. That's got to be like the direct Auto sponsorship 1224 01:31:40,279 --> 01:31:44,119 they got where they had the direct Auto logo and the turnbuckle pads and they 1225 01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:46,479 had a stack or two sponsorship at one point. It's stack with two logos 1226 01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:53,079 on the canvas and also thinking two of like any yeah that and yeah in 1227 01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:56,560 house adds to this sounds like, you know, like the crawlers for Spike 1228 01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:00,079 shows at the bottom of the screen right. Number ten. On site at 1229 01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:06,600 all tapings to oversee creative and production issues. Number eleven. Make recommendations to 1230 01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:13,880 produce your executives on talent acquisitions, talent development, and talent releases. Number 1231 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,439 twelve. Oversea key producing all things that he said he wanted nothing to do 1232 01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:25,920 with any stayed out of recommendations on talent, talent releases, unbelievable. It's 1233 01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,600 right here in Black Woman. I don't want them, except I'll agree to 1234 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,680 win a contract. Yeah, right, exactly number twelve oversea key production issues 1235 01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:41,680 with Universal Studios and shows on the road. Thirteen be reasonably available for meeting 1236 01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,600 with producer management in Nashville. Funny that one to come back to bite him 1237 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,239 because, as we'll get to there was an episode where he was basically like 1238 01:32:48,399 --> 01:32:53,720 sitting out of television taping and protest over disagreement with with Vince Russo, and 1239 01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,560 he kind of set us a podcast like kind of would have been a breach 1240 01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,600 of contract. So I had to come to the wow kind of Yeah. 1241 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,720 I mean, I'm putting words in his mouth there, but that's yeah, 1242 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:13,479 that's how we phrased it. Exhibit C. It's attached to exhibit Exhibit attached 1243 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,079 to and made a part of that certain agreement dated as of February first, 1244 01:33:17,239 --> 01:33:25,000 twenty eleven, executed by and between TENA Entertainment LLC and bishof Hervey Entertainment Television 1245 01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:30,199 LLC. Um Fso, mister Eric Bishoff, mister Jason Hervey and mister Garrett 1246 01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:40,039 Bishoff guaranteed compensation and base fee on a pay or play basis, subject to 1247 01:33:40,039 --> 01:33:43,640 the terms of the agreement, at an annual rate of four hundred twenty six 1248 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:48,119 thousand, eight hundred dollars per year. Yeah right, seriously, what's um 1249 01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:54,720 okay? If you're how how do they get the eight hundred dollars? I 1250 01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,840 have no earthly idea. That's such a weird thing, you know, like 1251 01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:04,920 why not get go to four twenty seven, you know, or four twenty 1252 01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:10,399 six, go get your bag. But do we really need to pay Eric 1253 01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:15,479 Bischoff almost a half million dollars to produce impact? Um? Yeah, you 1254 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,640 know those are thirteen very very big responsibilities. It's true. Yeah, that's 1255 01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:25,760 true. You know it's true. Um per year payable in monthly installments commencing 1256 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,760 with the first of the month of term here under. So that would be 1257 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:42,319 twelve payments of let's see four twenty six eight hundred divided by twelve thirty five 1258 01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:46,039 thousand, five hundred and sixty six dollars and sixty six six six six six 1259 01:34:46,079 --> 01:34:51,119 six six six cents before taxes. Got it? Presumable? Delicious? So 1260 01:34:53,039 --> 01:35:00,640 UM, look forward to that first of the month. I'll say that UM 1261 01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:08,439 for the subject to producers payroll practices, base pay, additional talent fees to 1262 01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:16,239 be paid to lender obo obo the what is that obio? The applicable individual? 1263 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:25,000 Eric Bischoff none, Jason Hervey none, Garrett Bischoff two hundred dollars for 1264 01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:30,600 each performance in Impact pay per views and or a house shows and or a 1265 01:35:31,039 --> 01:35:35,840 house shows. Okay, got it? As such terms are defined in the 1266 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:41,239 GB Talent Agreement. Provided such amount shall be two hundred and fifty dollars for 1267 01:35:41,359 --> 01:35:45,479 house shows outside of the Tampa and or Orlando areas which require an overnight stay 1268 01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:55,079 for GB approved wrestling school costs. The parties acknowledged that producer has here to 1269 01:35:55,199 --> 01:36:00,079 four incurred three thousand, five hundred dollars in connection with tuition for GB to 1270 01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:04,399 attend and approve wrestling school I set fourth in Section three D of the GB 1271 01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:11,079 Talent Agreement. Wow, there you go. So they're paying for his wrestling 1272 01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:14,800 school. Yeah, that's uh, that's interesting. I don't know why they 1273 01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,520 would do that, but they did. So that that's pretty much the extent 1274 01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,800 of what we need to convey that that that's the terms of employment there that 1275 01:36:21,359 --> 01:36:26,560 Bischoff is working within February of two thousand and eleven, and a lot of 1276 01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,279 these other materials are related to well, let's just say the first month where 1277 01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:35,039 bishof Hervey Entertainment didn't get that monthly slug was October twenty fourteen, So that's 1278 01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:39,960 way down the road. But that's when they start noticing science. It's kind 1279 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,680 of crazy that that his son is an EP. Yeah. Yeah, he's 1280 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,720 he's bundled right in with the Bishop Hervey agreement. Yeah, and it's a 1281 01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:54,520 Jason's brother, Scott Hervey, who represents Bischoff ensuing TENA to get the money. 1282 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,800 And as we learned in the Laser Spine depositions from hul Coogan, he 1283 01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,159 ended up being no big fan of Scott Hervey. I was not a fan 1284 01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,239 of how Scott Hervey negotiated on his behalf with W. W. Felicky costume 1285 01:37:04,279 --> 01:37:08,600 opportunities and was a fly in the ointment where he didn't need to be. 1286 01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:15,000 So I very much enjoy the fact that as much as you know, Bischoff 1287 01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:19,079 genuflects to the Hervey's, Hogan isn't really impressed by Scott Hervey. That makes 1288 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:30,079 me happy. So there you go that, uh, let's just say Spike 1289 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,760 thinks that making Eric Bischoff an EP was a Dixie Cart decision and not a 1290 01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,000 decision that they made. They got along with Bischoff like they got along with 1291 01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:42,560 like they say, they got along with everybody that ran Tana Creative. There 1292 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,840 was friction with Russo. Of course, no one in the Spike side has 1293 01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,920 ever really copped to it being so serious that the relationship fell apart due to 1294 01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:53,600 still using Vince russof this line in the sand that Bischoff and and Pritchard and 1295 01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,319 others have talked about that they drew at a certain point to not use him, 1296 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:00,600 and so when Dixie Carter continues to surreptitiously use Vince russot or right television 1297 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,119 past, Spikes demands that he not be involved. That led to the ultimate 1298 01:38:04,119 --> 01:38:08,760 dissolution of the relationship. And they were fine with Bruce Pritchard as well. 1299 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:14,079 Bischoff round this time. In addition to signing this lucrative contract, also starts 1300 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:19,600 Eric Bischoff family brewing Buffalo Cody Beer Spirit of the wild West, and he 1301 01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:23,880 is n'm getting sued over the rights to the name Buffalo Bill Cody beer. 1302 01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:29,840 So. Yeah, another thorny legal quagmire that Eric Bischoff finds himself in. 1303 01:38:30,039 --> 01:38:33,720 Apparently, the owner of the Buffalo Bills Emma Hotel that was built by the 1304 01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:39,399 real Buffalo Bill Cody sued Eric Bischoff over use of the name. They went 1305 01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:43,720 back and forth. I'm not sure exactly how it resolved, but Bischeff was 1306 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,279 in the news for that as well. Bischeff and Hervey also sold a show 1307 01:38:46,279 --> 01:38:51,439 to vh one called Beverly Hills Fabulous about a beauty salon and Beverly Hills, 1308 01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:58,000 So they're still plugging away on that front. We mentioned Hulk Cogan's contract and 1309 01:38:58,119 --> 01:39:01,000 how it kind of mirrors it. I mean, you have at the five 1310 01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:04,840 hundred thousand dollars they're paying Hogan to make appearances on top a million base. 1311 01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:10,159 Here's bishof at about a half million as well. Yea, So we can 1312 01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:14,159 think of the bishof Hogan packages as a two million dollar package. So what 1313 01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:15,880 does all this mean? One thing I think it means is that Vince Russo's 1314 01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:21,960 days are definitely numbered at TNA as A. That list of job descriptions is 1315 01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:29,760 pretty much what Russo does, and and a lot more and and he's starting 1316 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,800 to feel the walls close in, and Russo always is you can always count 1317 01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,319 on Russo for great yarns. When the walls are closing in around him, 1318 01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:41,600 he starts setting up these circumstances where it's like, oh, I quit before 1319 01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,520 they fired me, or they I actually quit, they didn't fire me kind 1320 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:46,520 of thing. I was about to quit. I was, you know, 1321 01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:50,000 I had it up to hear I was praying for a way out or whatever 1322 01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:56,600 he says. So a series of samplings here from podcasts that Russo has done 1323 01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:00,000 on his his Russo brand platform, which is chok full of all kinds of 1324 01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:05,399 insights from his WWF career, ww career and TENA run as well. And 1325 01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:10,399 when Bischoff on his own podcast start talking about working with Russo and TNA which 1326 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:15,159 up until this point Boss which everyone tries to memory whole, they were very 1327 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:17,880 complimentary towards each each other in public remarks. Sure, you know, Hogan 1328 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,920 would throw some shade at Russo a little bit, but you know, they 1329 01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,279 were so full of shit, pretended that they were best friends. Again, 1330 01:40:26,039 --> 01:40:31,119 they skipped that part and act like the The animosity from WCW truly carried over. 1331 01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,479 And here is Russo in clip one if you can ready that for us 1332 01:40:38,119 --> 01:40:43,159 kind of talking about because now that it's clear that he's going to be odd 1333 01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,840 man out when it comes to who's really running TNA or who has the book, 1334 01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,680 if you will, as we think about it at TNA. Yeah, 1335 01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:53,760 now he's prepared to start going a little bit of scorched earth in terms of 1336 01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:59,920 how he casts and contextualizes Hogan and Bischoff's arrival in TNA. We've played clips 1337 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,319 before him talking about it, and he was pretty politic, but these clips 1338 01:41:02,359 --> 01:41:06,119 are from much more recently where Bischoff is going in on him and you know, 1339 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:10,920 shitting on him, and so the gloves are off about the TNA years 1340 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,199 as well. Now for old Vinney rou it's time for one last stand for 1341 01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:23,520 Russo here in our teenage journey, Russo, I'll never forget prior to Hulk 1342 01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:30,800 and Eric signing with TNA, Hulk Hogan came down for a TNA show and 1343 01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:38,520 he was awaiting in the green room and Dixie was going to meet Hulk for 1344 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:44,520 the first time. Bro I was there, and I'll never forget this as 1345 01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:51,520 long as I live. She was literally shaking, That's how literally she was 1346 01:41:51,800 --> 01:42:01,000 to meet Hulk Hogan literally literally shaking, and I couldn't believe it, Bro, 1347 01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:05,560 I you know, I mean, I was witnessed to it, and 1348 01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:11,640 it was such a mark out moment. And the only thing I could think 1349 01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:19,239 of is when Hope sees the magnitude of a mark that Dixie is, Bro, 1350 01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:26,600 he is going to go to town and he is going to take complete 1351 01:42:27,039 --> 01:42:34,000 advantage of the situation. And eventually that's what he did. Because what happened, 1352 01:42:34,079 --> 01:42:39,680 Bro, was got Dixie wanted Hulk Hogan to come into TNA, and 1353 01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:45,439 there was a possibility of getting him. Now, you know, guys, 1354 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:51,960 part of the business is we get our buddies in that. That's part of 1355 01:42:53,159 --> 01:42:58,199 the wrestling business, Bro, It's always been part of the wrestling business. 1356 01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:08,399 So basically, when Dixie started talking to Hulk, Hulk brought Bischof in on 1357 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:15,439 his coattails, and Hulk sold Eric Bischoff to Dixie Carter, who really had 1358 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:23,039 no intention of signing Eric whatsoever. She wanted to sign the Hulk star. 1359 01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:30,560 So finally Dixie tells me one day Hulk and Eric have been hired and made 1360 01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:35,199 it clear to me, Bro, the only creative Eric was going to have 1361 01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:45,600 was on Hogan's character was the Eric was gonna have He was gonna have no 1362 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:53,560 input whatsoever on the rest of creative whatever. Bro, it's it's your company. 1363 01:43:54,319 --> 01:43:57,920 Uh, this did not work out with me and Eric before. This 1364 01:43:58,279 --> 01:44:02,359 is not going to work out with Eric and I now. Man, I 1365 01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:06,399 remember Bro, you know, after she hired him, I had a fly 1366 01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:13,319 to New York because there was a meeting with the USA Network Network, not 1367 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:17,960 USA Spike Network executives and Bro. I had a fly to New York. 1368 01:44:18,079 --> 01:44:24,800 I had to stay in this little tiny hotel room that cost you know, 1369 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,880 probably five hundred dollars a night. I was so pissed off, Bro. 1370 01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:34,760 I didn't want to be there. I knew this was gonna be a disaster 1371 01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:41,359 from the get go. That morning, Dixie May made, you know, 1372 01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:46,000 me have breakfast with Horror and Eric and Bro, like you could just sell 1373 01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:51,680 me and Eric where we're oil and water. Bro, We're just two different 1374 01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:59,520 people, and this is the second time that we are going to be forced 1375 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:02,359 to work together. Then, Bro, I'll never forget. We had the 1376 01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:08,079 meeting with Spike executives and Hulk was not there. Hulk didn't even go to 1377 01:45:08,199 --> 01:45:14,760 this meeting. It was all Eric and the presentation Eric gave on Hulk, 1378 01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:18,359 Bro, you would think this guy could walk on water. And you had 1379 01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:28,520 to see these Spike executives. Bro, they really believed that Hulk Hogan coming 1380 01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:33,439 into TNA. TNA was going to challenge the WWE. Bro, they really 1381 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:41,399 believe that they bought this hook line and sinker. But listen, I don't 1382 01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:47,920 blame Hulk and I don't blame Eric. Bro that they're working these network executives. 1383 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:55,119 They're working Dixie Carter who just doesn't know better. I don't blame them 1384 01:45:55,279 --> 01:46:02,840 for that. Get as much money, Bro as you possibly can. Okay, 1385 01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,359 well it sounds like you're blaming them for that. But that's good. 1386 01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:13,399 And what's the problem. That was exhausting? Um So how seriously drinking game 1387 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,920 for bros? He said, yeah? Is there any other kind? He 1388 01:46:17,039 --> 01:46:21,000 says. You know that Dixie did not want to sign Eric. She just 1389 01:46:21,079 --> 01:46:26,840 wanted Hulk, which makes this contract very confusing that we just read she's very 1390 01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:30,239 much signed Eric. It turned over the tire production of the whole show to 1391 01:46:30,399 --> 01:46:35,680 him and a lot of Hulk Hulk Hulk, but it is it is kind 1392 01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:40,520 of funny, like they're all in New York and Bischoff's doing like a power 1393 01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,479 point, and Russo's sitting there like oh man, saying nothing under his breath. 1394 01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,199 So that's so. Now now he's going all in on, you know, 1395 01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:51,960 Bischoff and Hogan basically working their way into Dixie's good graces, and of 1396 01:46:53,039 --> 01:46:58,520 course sure gets to the point where he's just maddened again by um Bischoff being 1397 01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,920 hands off when it comes to actually doing the hard work of building the script 1398 01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:05,319 and just redlining the shit out of Russo and Matt Conway's drafts and sending it 1399 01:47:05,399 --> 01:47:10,000 back for revision. Here in Russo too, he talks about just deja vu 1400 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:15,279 of the WCW days and how the power dynamic shook out, and Bro, 1401 01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:26,239 the thing that rubbed me the wrong way was again Eric's habits. It was 1402 01:47:26,399 --> 01:47:30,880 the same thing he was doing it WCW. Once Ed left, it was 1403 01:47:31,079 --> 01:47:38,079 me and Conway writing the shows. We would write the shows and then we 1404 01:47:38,319 --> 01:47:43,840 had to send them to Eric. And again keep in mind what Dixie told 1405 01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:49,159 me, Bro, Eric's just going to be involved creatively with Hogan stuff. 1406 01:47:49,239 --> 01:47:56,399 Well, no, Bro, Now it was more whether Eric convinced Dixie that 1407 01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,359 it needed to be more and he needed to be a part of creative I 1408 01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:03,960 don't know, and I don't care. But Dick Sagarda lied to me because 1409 01:48:04,079 --> 01:48:12,199 now Eric is a full part of creators And now you know, Matt and 1410 01:48:12,359 --> 01:48:16,640 I are doing all the grunt work. We're writing the shows, and now 1411 01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:24,840 we have to send the shows to Eric, and now we're sitting there with 1412 01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:30,640 our thumbs up, our asses, waiting for Eric to get back on back 1413 01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:35,640 to us. I don't work that way, bro, barely you do. 1414 01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:41,720 I don't know, pal, I mean, you tell me there, mister 1415 01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,680 russo rific? Can you picture of him just flying off the handle because like, 1416 01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:50,960 get something back that's all like crossed out and like absolutely you've known people 1417 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,359 like that in the business. Yes, you know, yes, it's yes, 1418 01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,920 that's that was I delivered a perfect draft to you. But you know, 1419 01:48:59,079 --> 01:49:00,920 I have to say, given the choice between the two, I would 1420 01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,439 I would pick the guy who actually wrote it and gets pissed at the red 1421 01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,840 lines and being the red line. Yeah. Yeah, and that's obnoxious, 1422 01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:12,600 you know, sitting there like n't like this. M It's funny, is 1423 01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:16,920 Bishop is Basically he's just interpreting what Hogan wants onto the page, like he 1424 01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:20,000 has no right because there's gonna be a moment here if Russo's telling the truth, 1425 01:49:20,079 --> 01:49:25,560 which I know is tough to necessarily accept, but that you know, 1426 01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,000 Bischoff says, yeah, I love the idea, and then all of a 1427 01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:30,520 sudden cools to the idea, and it's clear that all he really did was 1428 01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:33,319 ask Hulk what he thought, you know what I mean, That's what Bischof's 1429 01:49:33,319 --> 01:49:36,479 doing here, That's what he always did. I mean, I'm not saying 1430 01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,600 the guy didn't have any talents, and I'm not saying he didn't do a 1431 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:45,800 good job at WCW for maybe twelve months to fifteen months, But really what 1432 01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:49,760 it came down to was his his his real stock in trade was making sure 1433 01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:54,600 that what hul Coogan wanted was realized. And then and then anything else that 1434 01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:57,840 happened was what he could afford to do with the rest of the time that 1435 01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:03,159 was left over after making sure Cogan's will be done. So let's not forget 1436 01:50:03,239 --> 01:50:05,920 we're just talking about Vince Russo or a bishop here of course, at TNA 1437 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,199 in twenty eleven, Let's not forget who else comes into the picture around this 1438 01:50:10,319 --> 01:50:15,119 point in time and starts to assert himself And and here's the Vince Russo's story 1439 01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:19,960 of how that person came to the table Russo three. In the meantime, 1440 01:50:23,239 --> 01:50:28,720 one of my mentors, mentors in the wrestling business. Oh God, it's 1441 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,600 kind of down on his luck a little bit. I'm talking about Bruce Pritchett. 1442 01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:40,239 And I know Bruce has two young kids. I know his wife, 1443 01:50:40,359 --> 01:50:45,119 Stephanie, who's a great person. I love Stephanie. Me and my wife 1444 01:50:45,159 --> 01:50:50,079 hung around Bruce and Stephanie a lot. Stephanie's dealing with cancer. Bruce was 1445 01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:56,000 let go of the WWE, bro, and once you're out of the wrestling 1446 01:50:56,119 --> 01:51:01,760 business, it's very hard to get back. It's hard to get so against 1447 01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:09,600 my better judgment because I knew Bruce Bro. I knew Bruce was a political 1448 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,840 animal. I knew what Bruce was going to do. I knew it. 1449 01:51:15,159 --> 01:51:20,439 I knew it, I knew it. But I wanted to help Bruce. 1450 01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:26,159 Why did I want to help Bruce Bro Because Bro, oh Man, I 1451 01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:34,439 sincerely liked Bruce. I sincerely liked Bruce Buck. Bruce was a what parts 1452 01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:41,159 of the wrestling business and the wrestling bubble, and I knew it was gonna 1453 01:51:41,239 --> 01:51:45,600 happen. Bro. I knew if I got his foot in the door. 1454 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,479 He was gonna start work in Dixie Carter like, god knows what. I 1455 01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,760 knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. 1456 01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:56,600 And even my wife said, Bro, you know what's gonna happen. Why 1457 01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:59,600 A you're doing this? And I said, I'm doing it to help him. 1458 01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:04,520 He needs a job. I'm doing it to help them. Talk to 1459 01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:14,039 Dixie Carter. Dixie hires Bruce the very first TV. Bruce is working with 1460 01:52:14,199 --> 01:52:18,720 me, helping me out. Bro, I swear remember w c W with 1461 01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:27,199 JJ Dillon and Kevin Sullivan. Every time I turned around, Bruce was having 1462 01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:33,199 a sidebar with Dixie Carter. I watched it. I saw it. I 1463 01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:39,840 saw it, and I knew there he goes. Man, he can't help 1464 01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:48,199 himself. It is the nature of the beast. He's jockeying for position. 1465 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:57,800 He's working Dixie with that Southern Texas charts. Remember Dixie's from Texas. I'm 1466 01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,760 from New York. I get it. I get it, Sure, I 1467 01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,600 get it. I get it. Do you get it? I don't know 1468 01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,600 if he gets it? Wow? But you know, like we talked about 1469 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:11,560 Hogan, like with brother, like, what are you talking to over there? 1470 01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,239 What brother. What Vince rust So too, he who when people start 1471 01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:18,600 talking like his thing was like J. J. Dillon and Kevin Sullivan and 1472 01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:23,640 Garrett Jester WCW. They'd be having like little discussions and when Russo would walk 1473 01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:25,680 up to them, they'd break, you know what I mean, like stop 1474 01:53:26,039 --> 01:53:28,680 talking about what they were talking about. Of course, of course, like 1475 01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:33,279 Russo, like Russo is very worried that you're talking about him, of course, 1476 01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:38,760 like because you probably are. And uh and they probably are. And 1477 01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,479 that's Pritchard's like, yeah, you know, tell stories. You know, 1478 01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:45,119 well, you know, if you want to ask. You got a lot 1479 01:53:45,159 --> 01:53:46,439 of problems here. When I'm back into when we were, when I was 1480 01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:48,960 in New York, when I was at Stanford working at the office. Fine 1481 01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:57,840 lampline, Oh I'm stop it, stop it right. So what let's Bruce's 1482 01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,399 take on the state of the ten A creative quagmire. Let's hear Bruce, 1483 01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:08,279 I'm booking from something to wrestle. I think Vince Grusso was really interested in 1484 01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:15,039 giving the air that he was working well with Hulk and Eric and was trying 1485 01:54:15,079 --> 01:54:18,720 to do things to appease them. At the same time, I think Rusa 1486 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:25,920 was very concerned with Dixie Carter thought, and that he was pleasing her at 1487 01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:29,760 the same time, he was also looking at the folks with the network was 1488 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,199 Spike TV, and trying to please them. And I will assure you that 1489 01:54:33,359 --> 01:54:40,000 those three entities were not on the same page and did not all have the 1490 01:54:40,119 --> 01:54:45,479 same goals in mind. The surface, it may sound like they do well. 1491 01:54:45,479 --> 01:54:48,279 Of course, man, you want to create the best television show, 1492 01:54:48,399 --> 01:54:51,640 have ratings, produce a good TV show, and be able to go on 1493 01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:58,479 and have live events and have pay per view events that draw money and a 1494 01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:04,600 whole nine yards. Now everybody saw it that way. Yeah, there's a 1495 01:55:04,680 --> 01:55:10,600 lot going on there. But basically, like there came a point where Janice 1496 01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:14,079 Carter and we've alluded to it, just basically said like we're not putting more 1497 01:55:14,119 --> 01:55:17,560 money in the organization. Like whatever whatever TNA can produce, you can spend, 1498 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,560 but we're not going to spend on top of that. And that totally 1499 01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:26,479 threw a monkey wrench into the schemes of Bischoff and Hogan to like basically get 1500 01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:30,520 in there and just you know, get them to spend like TNT spent and 1501 01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:33,880 just go hard wild and just like go on the road and do live weekly 1502 01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:38,800 shows and all of the the exorbiting costs to come with that, you know, 1503 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:43,079 which they had reason to believe in their minds was the catalyst for WCW 1504 01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:48,239 to begin turning a massive profit. So when that, when that became the 1505 01:55:48,319 --> 01:55:53,159 mentality, when it became sort of like a scarcity mentality as it regards expenditures 1506 01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:58,159 at TNA, then everything the whole flip script because everyone got everyone started sniffing 1507 01:55:58,199 --> 01:56:01,800 around because there were Spike money now, and everyone knew that Panned Energy had 1508 01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:06,520 billions of dollars and they had this this money marked daughter, you know that 1509 01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:11,199 that just wanted to be perceived as a success in this business. So it 1510 01:56:11,399 --> 01:56:14,479 sounded like another money train, and they was what that January four, two 1511 01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:18,079 tenth storyline was all about with Scott Hall and stuff talking about this isn't gonna 1512 01:56:18,079 --> 01:56:21,960 be that way, brother, yea um, but now it's not that way. 1513 01:56:23,159 --> 01:56:28,119 It really isn't. And so it's not clear that what's good for TNA 1514 01:56:28,279 --> 01:56:30,960 is going to be good for Spike is going to be good for all parties 1515 01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:36,159 involved. So so he's perceiving Vince Russo that's so um frazzled. Trying to 1516 01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:39,680 figure out who it is he needs to please to keep his job, because 1517 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,520 Russo's talked a lot about how at this point in time he felt definitely that 1518 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,279 he needed the job. He had walked away from a return to ww in 1519 01:56:45,279 --> 01:56:48,479 two thousand and two, or really he didn't walk away, but he kind 1520 01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:54,520 of he lasted like a week they were going to bring it. Yeah, 1521 01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:57,399 I remember, there's a big deal made out of it. And then when 1522 01:56:57,399 --> 01:57:00,319 he realized that they had staffed up with like thirty writers and it was totally 1523 01:57:00,359 --> 01:57:02,159 different creative environment than he worked in at WWF, it's like, oh shit, 1524 01:57:02,439 --> 01:57:04,720 like he's not going to be able to work with that many people, 1525 01:57:05,439 --> 01:57:10,279 right, And so yeah, he stick around at TNA, and he kind 1526 01:57:10,319 --> 01:57:14,560 of my all intents and purposes, you know, leverage the Jeff Jarrett friendship, 1527 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:19,239 and convinced Dixie Carter that, you know, I am the person that 1528 01:57:19,319 --> 01:57:23,239 can write your wrestling television show and take care of that for you. I 1529 01:57:23,359 --> 01:57:26,359 can do that, I can do the nuts and bolts, and I can 1530 01:57:26,399 --> 01:57:29,760 generate the creative ideas. And I think we overlooked that sometimes when we think 1531 01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,680 about wrestling bookers, like we think they have to be people that are constantly 1532 01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:39,199 creating genius ideas, but there's a lot of grunt work involved, right that 1533 01:57:39,279 --> 01:57:42,680 nobody wants to do, of course, and if the person who's generating the 1534 01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,880 idea is also is willing to do that grunt work of setting down the format 1535 01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,239 of typing out the scripts, of figuring out where the brakes go, where 1536 01:57:48,279 --> 01:57:51,560 the inserts go, how to schedule pre tapes all day, how to get 1537 01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:56,399 pretapes shot all day, how to arrange vignettes on the show, and things 1538 01:57:56,439 --> 01:58:00,920 like that. Yeah, that person, even if everyone's telling you they're they're 1539 01:58:00,279 --> 01:58:04,920 putting creative out there that's really destroying your company. It's not like you just 1540 01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,600 turn around to find somebody that's willing to do as much grunt work as Vince 1541 01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:11,680 Russo did. And that's, I feel like, more than anything, why 1542 01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:15,560 he ends up in the position for so long, even though everyone's pointing to 1543 01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:20,199 his notion of what makes interesting wrestling television as being so clearly outmoded and so 1544 01:58:20,359 --> 01:58:24,680 clearly something the fan base has moved on from, with no support in the 1545 01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:28,760 ratings that it's what they what they're looking for. But it's like, yeah, 1546 01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,279 but but he you know, for Dick, it was like a Dixie 1547 01:58:32,319 --> 01:58:36,279 Carter, Dixie Carter comfort Zone thing. A lot of what happened at TNA. 1548 01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:40,079 They wanted to kind of run the show the way they had run it 1549 01:58:40,119 --> 01:58:42,920 with the personnel they had in place. Yeah, yeah, you know what 1550 01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:46,039 I mean. And yeah, whatever they did something that was like a risk, 1551 01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:50,439 they just layered it on top of the existing way of doing things. 1552 01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:55,920 They didn't rip and replace the systems that they that they had, And so 1553 01:58:56,239 --> 01:59:00,520 it leads to this kind of strange combination of Bischoff and Bruce Pritchard and Vince 1554 01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,680 Russo, all with history with each other, kind of jocking around and trying 1555 01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:06,920 to figure out who's going to be the one to get pushed off the table, 1556 01:59:08,399 --> 01:59:12,479 and of course it ended up being a Vince Russo. Pritchard, for 1557 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,119 his part, says that he knew as early as the spring of twenty eleven 1558 01:59:15,359 --> 01:59:20,479 that he was eventually going to take over Vince Russo's job. Wow, here 1559 01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:25,720 you have Bischoff signing a contract to the executive producer of Impact, but the 1560 01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:30,159 head writer slash talent relations job. Those are things that Bruce Pritchard's about to 1561 01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:33,119 combine and put together. He did a similar thing at WW years later. 1562 01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:38,039 News came in The Observer on May twentieth that Terry Taylor was fired as head 1563 01:59:38,039 --> 01:59:43,279 of talent Relations at TNA. Apparently there was lawsuit filed by former talent not 1564 01:59:43,479 --> 01:59:48,119 the Daphne one, but another one that called some of his decision making into 1565 01:59:48,199 --> 01:59:53,840 question. And really, yeah, I don't really know the details of it. 1566 01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:59,199 It's cited as a factor. But you know, wrestling is always about 1567 01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:01,479 waiting for something that they can you know, they want to get rid of 1568 02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:05,000 somebody and they're just waiting for a reason to do it right. You know. 1569 02:00:05,159 --> 02:00:08,800 They stuck by plenty of people, including Jeff Hardy, who was fucking 1570 02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:12,039 under indictment for drug trafficking, but the belt on him. It's not like 1571 02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,760 getting sued his grounds for termination and TNA quite the opposite, in a strange 1572 02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:20,319 one. But there they have the prima facial reason they need to get rid 1573 02:00:20,359 --> 02:00:24,479 of Terry Taylor. He's gone. Bruce Pritchard takes over the duties heading talent 1574 02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:28,239 relations in come October. Word is out that he has been appointed head of 1575 02:00:28,319 --> 02:00:34,279 Creative as well. UM has Bruce Pritchard and so Russo. Um Russo goes 1576 02:00:34,319 --> 02:00:40,560 in on Bruce even more than a Then we talked about there. Then we 1577 02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:44,039 played Let's hit Russo four for a little bit more of a flavor of great 1578 02:00:44,319 --> 02:00:48,520 his his sense of things as they play out, bro Bro. That week 1579 02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:58,399 I am called up into Dixie Carter's office. Okay, Bruce is there, 1580 02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:06,479 Okay his face. Dixon now explains to me that Bruce is now my boss. 1581 02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:18,239 Literally broke within weeks, and how this was gonna work was now Bruce 1582 02:01:19,319 --> 02:01:27,039 was the one that was gonna make the call between Vince and Eric. Do 1583 02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:30,800 you see how many layers now have been added to this when you've got a 1584 02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:35,279 week to write the fucking show. You got one week to write the fucking 1585 02:01:35,319 --> 02:01:40,840 show. So now me and me and Conway are waiting for Eric to look 1586 02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:45,000 at the show, for Bruce to look at the show, and we're literally 1587 02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:50,239 sitting there with our thumbs up, our asses, waiting for the show to 1588 02:01:50,439 --> 02:01:58,279 come back to us. Keep in mind, bro by two guys that I 1589 02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:03,079 replaced at the w E and wc W. But they worked Dixie, bro 1590 02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:12,760 They worked her, oh like a like a twelve string fender Bro. They 1591 02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:17,199 wore, my god, a double neck. They worked her, They worked 1592 02:02:17,279 --> 02:02:25,840 her, they worked the money. More so, Mad Jesus Christ, what 1593 02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:29,760 do you mean, they worked, they worked, they worked, you is 1594 02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:34,479 what they did? Oh man, Like he's crazy. He acts like like 1595 02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:38,520 she had no right to get rid of him, you know, Jesus. 1596 02:02:39,359 --> 02:02:44,920 But yeah, it's funny, like if it's true that you know Russo the 1597 02:02:45,039 --> 02:02:47,119 victimization thing, you know, A key part of that is he has to 1598 02:02:47,239 --> 02:02:49,920 be the person that brought Bruce in, So has to be a betrayal, 1599 02:02:50,079 --> 02:02:55,920 not a corporate decision of where we should go or a decision that you know, 1600 02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,880 Vince Russo wasn't working out anymore needs to be replaced his head Riot or 1601 02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:01,319 it has to be a betrayal thing, right, And Bischoff is always very 1602 02:03:01,399 --> 02:03:04,279 quick to point out that he was actually the one that reached out to Bruce 1603 02:03:04,359 --> 02:03:08,560 Pritchard to bring him into TNA. And if we read that contract and the 1604 02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:12,319 duties assigned as a February six, twenty eleven, I can agree that that 1605 02:03:12,359 --> 02:03:16,920 would definitely be Eric Bischof's wheelhouse to do. That's twenty eleven. So you 1606 02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:23,000 know, Pritchard came in October of two thousand and ten, when Bischoff was 1607 02:03:23,079 --> 02:03:27,000 more at least contractually, we're led to believe tangentially involved in the creative side 1608 02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:30,640 of things and that kind of shot calling and decision making and hiring. But 1609 02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,800 but it's weird. It's weird that Bishoff would would claim to have no role 1610 02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:40,840 in that in twenty ten, yet somehow claimed credit for bringing hiring Bruce Pritchard. 1611 02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:45,600 But it's it's important to both Bishoff and Russo stories that they be the 1612 02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:51,800 one that brought Bruce Pritchard. And it's worth because it was Bishoff, but 1613 02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:57,000 Brusso has this, um, this high conviction story that he was indeed the 1614 02:03:57,079 --> 02:03:59,960 one. And it is pretty funny to like bring the guy in who were 1615 02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:01,960 places? You know, that's pretty funny. Yeah, I mean that's all. 1616 02:04:02,039 --> 02:04:08,159 Yeah, it happens immediately. It's that's hilarious. I mean that's you 1617 02:04:08,279 --> 02:04:11,960 know, you earned that one. Russo with his face looking around the corner 1618 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:15,000 and seeing like I will see it as a scene on impact Pritchard talking Dixie 1619 02:04:15,039 --> 02:04:18,880 in the distance, you know. Yeah, yeah, totally lost scene. 1620 02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:28,039 Oh exactly, so good. So um so there you go. Um yeah, 1621 02:04:28,279 --> 02:04:30,800 Bruce has made the move. And there's a story that Bischoff has said 1622 02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:36,000 a few times where he's seen Vince Russo when confronted with like, you know, 1623 02:04:36,079 --> 02:04:41,640 a contradiction or confronted with evidence that he wasn't being truthful breakdown and cry 1624 02:04:42,279 --> 02:04:45,399 in media, and Russo part of what fired him up to do these these 1625 02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:50,439 these podcasts were sampling. Here was those stories being told on on on those 1626 02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:55,680 podcasts really, And he wants to counter the idea because, according to Russo, 1627 02:04:56,039 --> 02:05:00,239 Bischoff is conflating a time where he did get choked up on a count 1628 02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:03,479 to the fact that he felt like Bruce Pritchard fucked him with another meeting, 1629 02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:09,680 a totally separate meeting that involved kind of a come to Jesus confrontation over whether 1630 02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:13,600 Vince Russo was talking about of both sides of his mouth to Dixie Carter. 1631 02:05:14,279 --> 02:05:18,039 And so we'll establish this and then we'll move on in terms of explaining why 1632 02:05:18,119 --> 02:05:25,279 Vince Russo exits the stage here on TNH. First we'll go to Russo here 1633 02:05:25,319 --> 02:05:29,239 on Russo five, talking about what he says is the real story that involves 1634 02:05:29,319 --> 02:05:39,119 him shedding tears that next TV after a production, meaning I got Bruce aside 1635 02:05:40,119 --> 02:05:46,079 and bro listen to me carefully, Okay, I broke down. Wow, 1636 02:05:47,079 --> 02:05:55,880 And you know I wasn't sobbing and weeping, but I broke down and I 1637 02:05:56,199 --> 02:06:00,079 was fighting back tears, and I just said, Bruce, how could you 1638 02:06:00,199 --> 02:06:03,760 do this to me? Man? You needed a job. I got you 1639 02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:09,039 a job. How could you do this to me? I was so hurt 1640 02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:15,239 by this because I really was helping Bruce out, but being a part of 1641 02:06:15,279 --> 02:06:20,079 the wrestling business, he couldn't help himself. Man. And I was breaking 1642 02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:25,640 down, literally, how could you do this to me? I have no 1643 02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:32,840 trouble telling you I was breaking down now, I gotta be honest with you. 1644 02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:40,479 I don't know if Bruce went back to Eric and said, yeah, 1645 02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:45,000 Vince had a conversation with me. He was breaking down because this is gonna 1646 02:06:45,039 --> 02:06:49,199 come into play in a little while. But I got no problem on what 1647 02:06:49,319 --> 02:06:54,920 too. What I was saying. I was breaking down because even though I 1648 02:06:55,159 --> 02:07:00,359 knew it was gonna happen, it really hurt me that Bruce did this to 1649 02:07:00,439 --> 02:07:13,960 me because my intentions were good. Okay, so good. There's the tears 1650 02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:18,079 story. Here's what Eric Bischoff says that Vince Russo was up to this whole 1651 02:07:18,119 --> 02:07:24,359 time in terms of why he would have suddenly been in a position to be 1652 02:07:24,479 --> 02:07:28,920 demoted and then eventually leave TNA twenty eleven. Let's start with Eric Russo one. 1653 02:07:30,039 --> 02:07:35,079 There was some real duplicity going on. Yeah, what he wants to 1654 02:07:35,159 --> 02:07:40,720 be the sympathetic baby face. It's like, oh man, he comes, 1655 02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:44,720 Oh Eric, Oh, she's driving me. I can't even do a Vince 1656 02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:50,439 Ruso impersonation. I just won't won't bro. It wasn't even bros like he 1657 02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:56,720 was defeated. He was almost on the verge of tears. It's like, 1658 02:07:56,840 --> 02:08:01,359 I'm trying so hard. I just she's wanted to put herself on television. 1659 02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:05,960 I just don't want to do it. I just wow, I don't want 1660 02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:09,239 to do. Oh my god, You've got to help me. So I 1661 02:08:11,359 --> 02:08:16,199 leading with much. I'd go in and do my best to shoot on that, 1662 02:08:16,479 --> 02:08:20,520 not shot on that. I would go and do my best to dissuade 1663 02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:26,560 her to a certain degree. Right, But what he was really doing was 1664 02:08:26,720 --> 02:08:31,119 encouraging her. So I'm the bad guy, vinces down. Oh you beat 1665 02:08:31,159 --> 02:08:33,000 You're the best. Oh man. I don't know why he doesn't watch. 1666 02:08:33,039 --> 02:08:35,319 I don't know what he said. I was obviously in the room. If 1667 02:08:35,319 --> 02:08:37,920 I would have been in a room, I but I have knocked him the 1668 02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:43,079 fuck out for lying. But you know, nonetheless, he was he was 1669 02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:46,000 working both ends against the middle because I made him uncomfortable. He didn't like 1670 02:08:46,119 --> 02:08:48,800 the fact that there was somebody that actually knew what they were doing in the 1671 02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:52,880 room with him. He liked to surround himself by Pete. That's why he 1672 02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:56,319 was very comfortable in teenage when he first got there, because Vince Russu did 1673 02:08:56,359 --> 02:08:58,920 actually know more than anybody else there. It's because everybody else there knew absolutely 1674 02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:03,119 nothing, So it was an easy room for a guy like Vince Russo to 1675 02:09:03,239 --> 02:09:11,239 con so. Wow, So his thing is in the context is important there. 1676 02:09:11,319 --> 02:09:13,399 He says that, you know, in the beginning, its supposed to 1677 02:09:13,399 --> 02:09:18,319 be a situation where he's working in concert with Russo, and it's you know, 1678 02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:22,880 they're they're being cooperative. Sure, and he was making it a point 1679 02:09:22,359 --> 02:09:28,319 to try to, you know, show that he would support what Vince Russo 1680 02:09:28,439 --> 02:09:31,720 was looking to achieve by you know, giving voice to Dixie for things that 1681 02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:35,720 would be supportive of Vince Russo's creative and again bactor Pritchard's comment, it's like 1682 02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:41,359 despite the bash of the beach history, Yeah, it's not right to think 1683 02:09:41,399 --> 02:09:46,800 that Vince Russo was trying to send negative creative towards Hulkogan in Tiana he's doing 1684 02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:50,680 quite the opposite. He's trying to win back his trust and he's trying to 1685 02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:54,840 basically not be an impediment to whatever it is Hulk Coogan wants to do in 1686 02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:58,199 the Ring. He's talked about that, like he just just because Bischof is 1687 02:09:58,239 --> 02:10:01,920 hands on with Hogan's creative doesn't mean Russo had no role. And Russo was 1688 02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:03,760 actually trying to please Hogan with what he was doing at the time, and 1689 02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:07,640 to reciprocate that, Bischoff was trying to take things that Russo wanted to advocate 1690 02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:13,039 for and add his voice to it. Right well, so he is hearing 1691 02:10:13,279 --> 02:10:20,000 Russo complain that Dixie is you know, hungry for the spotlight and forcing herself 1692 02:10:20,039 --> 02:10:24,399 onto television and forcing him to write her into television, and so, according 1693 02:10:24,439 --> 02:10:26,119 to Bischoff, he feels like his role at that point is to, you 1694 02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:31,640 know, subtly try to dissuade Dixie from being as involved as a television character 1695 02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,560 she was, to try to relieve the pressure that Russo is telling him he 1696 02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:41,720 feels to get her into the show. And then Bischoff is saying that Russo 1697 02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:46,279 is such a three D chess player that he's then turning around, knowing that 1698 02:10:46,359 --> 02:10:52,680 he's now set the hook for Bishoff to make Dixie think that Bischoff doesn't think 1699 02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:58,279 she's a good television character to come back around, and then buying Bischoff's back 1700 02:10:58,359 --> 02:11:01,039 praise Dixie's involvement on television, says, you should be doing more that she's 1701 02:11:01,039 --> 02:11:07,640 doing wonderfully. I mean, that's some mighty politicking there, and it's the 1702 02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:11,000 exact kind of thing Vince Russo says he doesn't involve himself in and squash. 1703 02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:15,439 Come on, I know, I know, I just I don't know. 1704 02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:18,039 That's given Russo a lot of credit to be able to do both like that. 1705 02:11:20,079 --> 02:11:26,239 No, it's it's it sounds like Bischoff got caught criticizing Dixie for being 1706 02:11:26,319 --> 02:11:35,439 too involved on television and then retrofitted a scenario in which it's actually him Vince 1707 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:37,439 Russo's words coming out of his mouth and not his words coming out of his 1708 02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:45,720 mouth. But basically this comes to a head and it's becoming a real issue. 1709 02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:50,319 Um and the clip will we'll play here. During this time period, 1710 02:11:50,359 --> 02:11:54,079 there's serious distance between Dixie Carter and Eric Bischoff, and he's got this deal 1711 02:11:54,159 --> 02:12:01,199 and they're they're not working in sympatico at all. And this issue of whether 1712 02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:05,000 you know Dixie is deemed to be a worthy television character apparently is a real 1713 02:12:05,079 --> 02:12:09,079 wedge issue and it's causing big problems and they have to get together and figure 1714 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:13,199 it out. Bischoff and Russo in the same room. Who said what about 1715 02:12:13,279 --> 02:12:18,560 Dixie? Who's lying about what they said about Dixie? And who can be 1716 02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:24,479 an arbiter of this truth? That's hit Eric Russo too for the rundown Eric 1717 02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:30,319 Russo too. But I caught Russo working both ends against the middle and it 1718 02:12:30,439 --> 02:12:33,640 got so bad. I mean, Dixie and I we'd be on the phone 1719 02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:41,159 and it what started out as a discussion escalated to the point where she's in 1720 02:12:41,319 --> 02:12:45,720 tears. I'm yelling, you know, because I'm I'm going to stick to 1721 02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:48,960 my guns. If it's what I really believe, I'm not going to throw 1722 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:54,119 into doll and quit. And it just escalated and escalated, partly because I 1723 02:12:54,199 --> 02:12:56,920 thought I'm doing and what Russo wanted me to do. You know, I'm 1724 02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:01,359 trying to help here in dissuading her. Until we figured out what was going 1725 02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:07,079 on, everybody realized that we gotta fix this. This is not this is 1726 02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:11,119 not Dixie and I are barely talking to each other. She's so angry with 1727 02:13:11,159 --> 02:13:16,239 me, and she's breaking down into tears over the phone. I'm so angry, 1728 02:13:16,279 --> 02:13:18,479 I'm not even willing to get on a plane to come to TV. 1729 02:13:18,680 --> 02:13:22,239 It was just really getting ugly. So Guy Blake said, all right, 1730 02:13:22,319 --> 02:13:26,560 let's let's all get together. We gotta hash this out. We're gonna sit 1731 02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:30,479 down in a room like man and like professionals, and we're gonna all lay 1732 02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:33,079 our cards out on the table and we're gonna work it out. I said, 1733 02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:37,159 okay, that's the right thing to do, so we did. It. 1734 02:13:37,319 --> 02:13:43,319 Was myself. I gotta be a little careful here because this is probably 1735 02:13:43,399 --> 02:13:46,840 falls into a category of ship that I shouldn't talk too much about. I'll 1736 02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:50,960 be general, but you'll get the picture. The principles in the debate were 1737 02:13:52,039 --> 02:13:56,640 all together, and the meeting was chaired, if you will, by Guy 1738 02:13:56,720 --> 02:14:03,720 Blake. Tena's attorney, Dean Broadhead was there. Obviously Russeau was there. 1739 02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:07,159 It was but it was a small room and we all laid our cards on 1740 02:14:07,279 --> 02:14:11,880 the table and Vince was doing his best. Now here's the thing with Vince 1741 02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:20,399 Russeau. I don't think he sits down and plans out all of his lives 1742 02:14:20,439 --> 02:14:22,560 and bullshit. I think he believes what he says. I think he talks 1743 02:14:24,199 --> 02:14:28,239 like you know how he talks. He just tries so hot, bro. 1744 02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:31,640 You know, he pitches and pitches and pitches to the point where the people 1745 02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:35,479 around him aren't necessarily buying his bullshit. They're just getting tired. They're getting 1746 02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:39,720 tired of as a fucking I'm throwing the towel. I'll him do whatever he 1747 02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:45,680 wants to do. You literally beat you to death with his mouth in his 1748 02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:52,279 voice. But we got into this meeting and all of a sudden it became 1749 02:14:52,359 --> 02:14:54,920 real apparent what Russeau was doing. He was working both ends against the middle, 1750 02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:58,159 and it was kind of a he said, she said, you said 1751 02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:01,920 thing, and I said, you know what. And I'm not going to 1752 02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:03,600 mention this cat's name because he's a super good guy and I don't want to 1753 02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:07,039 put him in the middle of any or have him read and to see his 1754 02:15:07,159 --> 02:15:11,039 name in a dirt sheet, because he's too cool of a guy for that. 1755 02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:13,520 But there was an individual that was a part of the creative team that 1756 02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:18,199 was privy to all of this, and he was the most He was straight 1757 02:15:18,319 --> 02:15:22,399 up, honest, hard working. He'd keep his mouth shut, but if 1758 02:15:22,439 --> 02:15:24,199 you put him on the spot, he would tell the truth. So I 1759 02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:30,199 said, go get him, Go get this guy. He's hurt it all. 1760 02:15:31,039 --> 02:15:33,000 Let him come into the room. Let him tell you what he's seen 1761 02:15:33,039 --> 02:15:35,800 and heard. Because we were trying to figure out who was you know, 1762 02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:41,880 what was going on here? We didn't realize I did, but nobody else 1763 02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:46,000 would believe that Russo was playing both ends against the middle to try to make 1764 02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:52,039 himself feel more secure until this individual came in and Guy Blake, the attorney, 1765 02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:56,760 looked at him and said, okay, Eric has this opinion. Then 1766 02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:01,680 says this opinion, Where do you stand? Eric? Right? That was 1767 02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:07,880 it end of meeting Russo's on a plane on his way home, and we 1768 02:16:07,039 --> 02:16:16,039 got demoted as a result of it. I mean, isn't Dixie glad you 1769 02:16:16,119 --> 02:16:20,920 brought it? Eric Bischoff? I mean I would be. I think she 1770 02:16:20,199 --> 02:16:24,960 must think this was the greatest fucking choice I could have possibly made. Not 1771 02:16:26,039 --> 02:16:28,399 to say, things would be much better if, you know, within terms, 1772 02:16:28,439 --> 02:16:28,960 if he had to come in. But I mean, this is like, 1773 02:16:30,439 --> 02:16:31,840 this is like I feel like I'm in a hair salon, you know 1774 02:16:31,879 --> 02:16:35,559 what. I mean, yeah, yeah, right right, just like the 1775 02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:41,239 gossipy nature of it and the oh my god, just the and it's great 1776 02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:45,879 that we have access to this stuff because it's like it helps you understand why 1777 02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:48,159 watching television was such a fucking chore, you know, yeah, right, 1778 02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:54,040 going through all this rigamarole and also pretending that they're putting their best foot forward 1779 02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:56,120 in terms of producing a good wrestling show. Give me a break. This 1780 02:16:56,360 --> 02:17:00,920 is this is occupying eighty percent of their emotional energy, yeah right, not 1781 02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:05,399 putting the show together. And so here's Russo's post mortem on the whole thing. 1782 02:17:05,479 --> 02:17:11,559 Now, watch how Russo differently casts that moment of truth and sort of 1783 02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:15,600 the preamble to why they were in that meeting in the first place. To 1784 02:17:15,680 --> 02:17:20,879 Russo, they weren't having this come to Jesus meeting to figure out whether Russo 1785 02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:26,000 or Bishoff is more trustworthy visa vie what they said about Dixie Carter. They're 1786 02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:30,479 in this room for totally different reason, a clash of wills over a creative 1787 02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:33,159 idea, someone that Vince Russo wanted to bring into Tenna, who ultimately never 1788 02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:39,399 came and who who's bidding. I'll give you one guess. Bishoff may have 1789 02:17:39,479 --> 02:17:45,239 been doing and opposing the idea, and then that spilling into the conversation oh 1790 02:17:45,319 --> 02:17:48,200 Man. And Eric Bischoff just recounted on his podcast, where there was this 1791 02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:54,399 arbiter that enters the room and and a makes a determination and decision. It's 1792 02:17:54,440 --> 02:18:00,200 fascinating to hear Bischoff describe that meeting and the reasons for it, and the 1793 02:18:00,239 --> 02:18:05,000 blow by blow of what happened and why, and then Russo take those circumstances 1794 02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:09,680 and totally interpret them differently. Of course, it's it's this is pro wrestling, 1795 02:18:11,079 --> 02:18:16,600 this is TNA, this is tnah Russo six, Russo six. I 1796 02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:24,600 had an idea to bring Brett Hart into TNA as an authority figure. This 1797 02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:31,600 is before Brett had done anything with the WWA, So I had an idea 1798 02:18:31,639 --> 02:18:37,760 to bring him in as an authority figure. I went to Eric, I 1799 02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:46,719 pitched to Eric. Eric loved the idea, Sure, no problem. JB. 1800 02:18:48,159 --> 02:18:52,399 Jeremy Boreque. Somehow Someway had a great relationship with Brett. JB got 1801 02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:58,879 me on the phone with Brett. I pitched Brett. Brett loved it. 1802 02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:07,479 We disgusted. Eric's on board, Dixie's on board, everybody's on board. 1803 02:19:09,479 --> 02:19:18,360 All of a sudden, Eric has a conversation with Dixie, and now Eric 1804 02:19:18,520 --> 02:19:22,680 starts going the other way. Well, I don't know about Brett when I 1805 02:19:22,799 --> 02:19:28,280 work with him. You know, with wc W he had a bad attitude. 1806 02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:31,200 I'm not sure if he's right for this company. YadA, YadA, 1807 02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:37,719 YadA. Now he was trying to talk Dixie out of it. I knew 1808 02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:43,040 Dixie was very excited about it, and I knew Dixie wanted Brett there. 1809 02:19:43,559 --> 02:19:52,639 But now Eric is starting to bury Brett. Now I'm getting upset because again 1810 02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:58,280 I know the players, and I know the game, and I know this 1811 02:19:58,719 --> 02:20:09,079 is Hulk not wanting Brett to come in qt an. I know it's Hulk 1812 02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:16,239 playing the creative control card. And Eric, as Hulk's friend, is not 1813 02:20:16,479 --> 02:20:22,799 gonna say that on Dixie because Eric knows Dixie wants Brett, and Eric doesn't 1814 02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:28,840 want to punch any heat on Hogan by saying Hulk's playing his creative control card 1815 02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:33,959 he doesn't want Bret here, because that would have pissed Dixie off. So 1816 02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:41,760 now Eric is burying Brett, having set second thoughts because Hogan is playing his 1817 02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:48,200 control card. What I call Eric on this, and I say, this 1818 02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:54,440 is absolute bullshit, Bro, Why it's bullshit. Hogan is playing his creative 1819 02:20:54,479 --> 02:21:00,799 control card. He doesn't want Brett here. You're telling right, you're telling 1820 02:21:00,879 --> 02:21:05,000 Dixie, you're having your second thoughts because you don't want to bury Hogan because 1821 02:21:05,079 --> 02:21:09,200 you know Dixie wants Brett. Eric, just say it's freaking Hulk. Just 1822 02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:13,959 say it is Hulk, and he's playing the control card. Just say it. 1823 02:21:15,079 --> 02:21:20,520 Don't bullshit, just say it. I don't think Eric liked that too 1824 02:21:20,719 --> 02:21:28,000 much because I was putting him in a very tough position because if he would 1825 02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:33,799 have said, yeah, Dixie, it's Hulk, well, now Dixie would 1826 02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:37,719 have had a little issue with Hope. So now I kind of middled Hulk 1827 02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:41,559 saying, I mean Eric saying, stop with the bullshit. I know it's 1828 02:21:41,639 --> 02:21:56,520 Hulk. Just say it's Hulk. Don't bury Brett. Brother, what's Russo? 1829 02:21:56,719 --> 02:22:01,319 Brother wants Russo doing? Dude? Why? Brother? Why Russo? 1830 02:22:01,479 --> 02:22:11,360 Dude? What? It's truly amazing. It's a I mean, what is 1831 02:22:11,399 --> 02:22:18,040 going on? Like, what are they seeking to achieve here? Amazingness? 1832 02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:22,159 It really is. It's like and that's the thing. It's all Hogan, 1833 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:28,440 right, He's like the invisible force in the room. Brother Rod I'm not 1834 02:22:28,520 --> 02:22:39,239 even the room, dude, Why I don't who. So there's one more 1835 02:22:39,559 --> 02:22:41,600 loose end to tie up. And that is what was that meeting about. 1836 02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:50,440 We heard Bishop's explanation. Let's hear Russo's next thing. I know, Bro, 1837 02:22:50,239 --> 02:22:56,600 what at the next TV there's a big pow wow. I'm there. 1838 02:22:56,799 --> 02:23:07,600 Oh my god, Dixie's there. Eric is there, the TNA attorney is 1839 02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:15,559 there, and Bro. I believe the TNA attorney also represents Eric. Huh. 1840 02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:18,600 So, now, Bro, we're gonna get all of this out in 1841 02:23:18,680 --> 02:23:24,399 the open. I think Conway was there, Bro, I can't say on 1842 02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:28,159 this. I don't think Holk was there, but I know it was me, 1843 02:23:28,719 --> 02:23:33,040 Dixie, Eric, the TNA attorney, and Bro. The TNA attorney 1844 02:23:33,159 --> 02:23:39,360 was like in Eric's camp. So now we're gonna get all this out on 1845 02:23:39,440 --> 02:23:41,799 the table. No problem, we'll get it out on the table. So 1846 02:23:41,959 --> 02:23:46,239 now I said the same thing that I've been saying. Bro, just say 1847 02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:50,639 it's Holk. Okay, Brett's not coming in. Don't bury Brett. Don't 1848 02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:52,760 say you had to change your heart when you were on board A thousand percent. 1849 02:23:54,159 --> 02:23:58,680 Just say it was Holkwood to creative Control card. Bro. The next 1850 02:23:58,799 --> 02:24:11,879 thing I know I saw an absolute master at work. While I'm getting all 1851 02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:16,639 this out, and I'm saying, Bro, just say it was Hulk. 1852 02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:22,559 Okay, Brett's not coming in. Hulk's using his creative control card. Say 1853 02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:26,079 it, because I'm gonna get pissed off, BRO if you keep trying to 1854 02:24:26,319 --> 02:24:31,639 bury Brett, because I think very highly of Brett. So now you are 1855 02:24:31,719 --> 02:24:37,639 putting me in a position to defend Brett. Stop. Just say it's Hulk 1856 02:24:37,719 --> 02:24:43,479 with the creative control. Bro. I'll never forget this for as long as 1857 02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:54,120 I live. Eric now turns to me, and now he starts telling Dixie 1858 02:24:54,559 --> 02:25:05,799 all the things that I had said to him about her in all private conversations. 1859 02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:09,719 And like I said, Bro, none of it was personal. She 1860 02:25:09,239 --> 02:25:16,879 talks to dirt sheets. She can't make any decisions whatsoever. A pandem might 1861 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:20,079 not have the money that you think. What what personally was I gonna say 1862 02:25:20,280 --> 02:25:28,319 about Dixie? It was all business. So now he starts telling Dixie the 1863 02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:37,200 conversations I had with him about her to completely derail the conversation and get it 1864 02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:45,360 off of Hulk. Bro. It worked like a charm. Dixie literally turned 1865 02:25:45,559 --> 02:25:52,360 her seat completely around to me and said, did you say this stuff thence 1866 02:25:52,959 --> 02:25:56,479 and I said, yeah, Dixie, I did say that stuff. And 1867 02:25:56,639 --> 02:26:01,959 I also said that stuff to you. You can't make a decision. You 1868 02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:07,440 do get influenced by the dirt sheets. Yes, Dixie, you and I 1869 02:26:07,639 --> 02:26:13,639 have had these conversations. Bro. In the corner of my eye, I 1870 02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:22,520 see Eric gloating like a cheshire cat. He worked this like a charm. 1871 02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:31,840 So now here's the part, Bro. Eric likes to tell a story that 1872 02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:41,200 I, once this broke down, I started crying in that meeting, which 1873 02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:46,520 is a flat out lie. And if you look at it logically, what 1874 02:26:46,719 --> 02:26:52,559 am I crying about? I want the hell out of this company, Bro, 1875 02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:58,840 I'm praying about it. I want out. And Eric is saying I 1876 02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:03,360 lied in the meeting because he caught me in a lie. What lie, 1877 02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:11,680 Bro? There was no lie, bro famous last words, there was no 1878 02:27:11,879 --> 02:27:16,440 lie here lies Vince Russo as it regards TNA and TNH. But what a 1879 02:27:16,559 --> 02:27:20,920 deal. Uh wow. I mean that's how it gets done, right. 1880 02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:24,600 Have conversations with people in private, um thinking that you know you're going to 1881 02:27:24,639 --> 02:27:28,799 achieve an end, and then they bring it up to the person's face when 1882 02:27:28,840 --> 02:27:31,399 you're sitting there in the meeting. I mean That's that's real life right there. 1883 02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:39,479 All right, nothing nothing sacred, nobody is safe. You're all a 1884 02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:43,680 target. Just a question, Vince, you wanted to bring Brett Hard into 1885 02:27:43,719 --> 02:27:48,840 TNA as an authority figure before he returned to WWE, that Hull Coogan put 1886 02:27:48,879 --> 02:27:52,399 the kibosh on it, bra Just think here. Brett came back on January 1887 02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:56,319 fourth of twenty ten, the same night hul Cogan came into TNA. Yeah 1888 02:27:56,479 --> 02:28:00,440 right, How did Hulk Cogan have any say over whether you're brought in or 1889 02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:03,200 Eric Bischoff have anything to do with whether you brought him in? I mean, 1890 02:28:03,239 --> 02:28:07,920 I guess, brother, I guess. As we just read, there 1891 02:28:07,000 --> 02:28:11,399 was a preceding agreement as of October of two thousand and nine with Bishoff, 1892 02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:18,840 But as Bischoff said, he had no involvement in anything non Hulkogan creative at 1893 02:28:18,920 --> 02:28:22,479 that point in time, and bringing in Bret Hart as a general manager is 1894 02:28:22,479 --> 02:28:30,520 hardly Hulkogan related. So what's the deal here? Why would say over whether 1895 02:28:30,559 --> 02:28:33,799 you brought in Bret Hard if, as you say, your idea came before 1896 02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:37,520 he went back to WWE, which was in fact the first night of the 1897 02:28:37,559 --> 02:28:41,920 Hogan Bishof regime. Wow, I don't know. I remember if Matt Conway 1898 02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:46,200 was there that conveniently carves out the part of the story Bischoff is keen to 1899 02:28:46,239 --> 02:28:50,399 focus on where Matt Conway says, Bishoff is being more truthful than Russo. 1900 02:28:50,840 --> 02:28:58,319 And here what lie bro There was something something that Matt Conway said that it 1901 02:28:58,520 --> 02:29:03,799 seemed like Vince Russo wasn't telling truth to Dixie car Oh, because we know 1902 02:29:03,879 --> 02:29:07,639 who comes out of that meeting as a going concern and TNA and who doesn't. 1903 02:29:07,639 --> 02:29:11,200 And his name is Eric Bischoff. So but that's you know, total 1904 02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:16,000 NonStop Hogan name, Like that's the atmosphere that this guy, I mean, 1905 02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:24,159 that's what you know. I mean, yeah, you know, Vince just 1906 02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:30,319 wasn't there had no issue with Vince Russell, television producer. I'm gonna television. 1907 02:29:31,639 --> 02:29:35,360 You know. I was brought into, you know, to create television, 1908 02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:43,959 all right, me and Jason Hervey. You know, I had I 1909 02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:52,920 had a responsibility to Dixie Carter. And let's not lose sight of the fact 1910 02:29:52,959 --> 02:29:56,920 that we were talking about Dixie Carter, you know what I mean, Like 1911 02:29:56,840 --> 02:30:01,280 every other word out of these guys sing king, king, king, King, 1912 02:30:01,360 --> 02:30:01,319 King, King, King, King, King, King, King, 1913 02:30:01,399 --> 02:30:05,559 King, King King ing there she is. Just picture her and somehow she's 1914 02:30:05,639 --> 02:30:13,319 the absolute like thing everybody in this business revolves around in this company, just 1915 02:30:13,479 --> 02:30:18,719 amazing and um, if you're wondering, this is like part of a larger 1916 02:30:18,760 --> 02:30:20,559 design, Melser said the newsletter for what It's worth. At the E three 1917 02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:24,120 convention, when people just regular fans and such saw Hull, Hogan and broad 1918 02:30:24,159 --> 02:30:28,920 impact was he blamed every problem on Vince Russo. Well, you know, 1919 02:30:28,280 --> 02:30:33,760 brother, dude, I totally understand, dude, I totally understand that. 1920 02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:37,799 Brother. You know, we had guy I'm god named Vince Russo, you 1921 02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:41,639 know, and he just kind of as you know, he was the head 1922 02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:43,520 writer of the company. Brother in the middle. You know, Eric's in 1923 02:30:43,559 --> 02:30:46,479 the middle, dude. You know, I'm on one side, brother, 1924 02:30:46,559 --> 02:30:48,559 and we got Vince Russo on the other, dude, and UK we're kind 1925 02:30:48,600 --> 02:30:52,760 of like button heads with Eric and the middle. Dude. Now, I'm 1926 02:30:52,799 --> 02:30:54,600 like, you know, we gotta get this thing back and trying exactly you 1927 02:30:54,680 --> 02:30:56,559 know, and we gotta kind of, you know, we gotta dieal this 1928 02:30:56,680 --> 02:31:01,159 in brother. But Vince Russo is kind of the doing his own thing and 1929 02:31:01,639 --> 02:31:03,959 and and and kind of running stuff past us before we can kind of get 1930 02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:11,360 on top of it. Brother. So it's really russo brother, and uh 1931 02:31:11,719 --> 02:31:15,639 it's uh, it's good to hear from you. Bro. I can't believe. 1932 02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:18,760 And here's something I'll never forget. And I kind of be honest with 1933 02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:24,559 you, Bro. I've wanted you back since w c W Bro, and 1934 02:31:24,079 --> 02:31:28,920 in the opportunity here at t NA, I think is just perfect. We 1935 02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:33,600 want to bring you in as a general manager. Broho Uh, I think 1936 02:31:33,639 --> 02:31:37,239 that sounds good. And uh, as long as we can figure out the 1937 02:31:37,319 --> 02:31:39,959 numbers, I think we've got a deal. Bro. Let me go back 1938 02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:41,719 to the table, Let me talk to Eric, let me talk to Dixie 1939 02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:48,159 and figure out what we can do. All right, and click Hello brother 1940 02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:56,239 brother? Uh, dude, what's going on? Brother? Terry? What? 1941 02:31:56,520 --> 02:32:03,280 Who who's calling me? Brother? You called me? I called? 1942 02:32:03,319 --> 02:32:07,079 Who? Spread hard? What why you called? Brother? What are you 1943 02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:11,520 doing dude thinking about coming into TNA. I'm glad you called. I'd like 1944 02:32:11,559 --> 02:32:16,639 to get a little brother of a check from you as to whether it's worth 1945 02:32:16,719 --> 02:32:20,879 going well yean, dude, I mean brother, I'm down to talk turkey 1946 02:32:20,920 --> 02:32:26,479 with you. Dude. You know we're kind of in a weird uh holding 1947 02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:28,799 pattern right now. Brother. You know, we kind of things kind of 1948 02:32:28,879 --> 02:32:31,120 you know, we got we gotta you know, get a lot of great 1949 02:32:31,159 --> 02:32:35,239 ideas on the table. Dude. We're working on you know, we're making 1950 02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:37,319 it. We're bringing it back to what like what what you and I were 1951 02:32:37,399 --> 02:32:43,959 doing, bro, Brother, No, dude, we're not. We're dining 1952 02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:46,959 the back end, dude. We're dialing it in. Brother. You know, 1953 02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:50,280 we're we're kind of getting this company back on track. You know, 1954 02:32:50,399 --> 02:32:52,920 we're working on a different kind of creative right now, dude. You know 1955 02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:58,239 we're having you know, we're bringing the wrestlers once again have the power. 1956 02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:01,639 Brother. But you know, and I I'm all about Listen, dude, 1957 02:33:01,639 --> 02:33:03,600 I want to bring you in as soon as we can. Brother, I'm 1958 02:33:03,639 --> 02:33:07,440 all about that. But you know, right now, we're kind of in 1959 02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:09,959 a in a little bit of a holding pattern in regards to talent right now, 1960 02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:13,920 dude, So I don't know exactly where you're gonna fit in. Brother. 1961 02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:18,159 You give me no indication, Oh, brother, that's I think. 1962 02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:24,079 Well, well, I'll tell you talking about the tight purse spring brother, 1963 02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:26,600 it's really what what we're talking about dude is, you know, we're we're 1964 02:33:26,639 --> 02:33:28,799 on a different level, dude, now, we're trying to kind of take 1965 02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:33,879 things up to the next level while dialing it in, dude, so we 1966 02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:37,920 can we can we can get TNA to kind of be where it should be, 1967 02:33:37,239 --> 02:33:41,399 which is kind of right on top and to do these kinds of things. 1968 02:33:41,479 --> 02:33:43,799 Brother, you know, we got to kind of focus on the talent 1969 02:33:43,879 --> 02:33:48,120 that we have right now on roster brother, under contract, you know, 1970 02:33:48,239 --> 02:33:52,719 kind of create the TNA brand that people will you know, people will will 1971 02:33:52,799 --> 02:33:58,479 see from a different place than the row because Vince just called me and couldn't 1972 02:33:58,479 --> 02:34:01,120 have been more than husiastic about bringing me. Brother, that's the problem, 1973 02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:03,440 dude. See you know what you know, Eric and I, we have 1974 02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:07,680 our eggs in a row. Brother, we don't have our one basket. 1975 02:34:07,799 --> 02:34:09,680 Dude, I understand, brother, But you know what, here's the thing 1976 02:34:09,719 --> 02:34:16,520 about Vince Russo. Vince Russo is is you know he Brother, what we're 1977 02:34:16,559 --> 02:34:20,680 trying to do is we're trying to give wrestling back to the talent, brother 1978 02:34:20,360 --> 02:34:30,920 Brack to the boys. He totally leaves it sitting there on addressed. Let 1979 02:34:30,959 --> 02:34:33,239 me ask you a question, brother, um, well do you expect to 1980 02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:39,760 hear back from Vince Russo on numbers? Well, what do you what do 1981 02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:48,079 you what do you I mean terms conversation? Just wonder what what do you? 1982 02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:50,000 What do you think in brother? You know our terms of Vince Russo? 1983 02:34:50,159 --> 02:34:52,559 Dude? You know how are you you know? What do that? 1984 02:34:54,200 --> 02:35:00,319 How did you take that conversation? Brother? Are you you know what? 1985 02:35:01,319 --> 02:35:03,000 Where are you at? Well? I think I'm gonna take the deal, 1986 02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:07,000 Terry sounds like a really exciting opportunity. Well, brother, I do I'm 1987 02:35:07,000 --> 02:35:09,000 listening to I want to tell you right now, a deal like that is 1988 02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:13,680 one in a million, no questions asked, brother, But we're talking about 1989 02:35:13,719 --> 02:35:16,879 bringing back the wrestling to the wrestlers, dude, and kind of moving things 1990 02:35:18,079 --> 02:35:20,959 in a direction that kind of goes beyond where you and I were at. 1991 02:35:20,040 --> 02:35:22,959 Dude, if you know what I'm saying. But here's a big question, 1992 02:35:24,079 --> 02:35:26,360 brother, And I'm wondering if you're you know how you feel about this? 1993 02:35:26,520 --> 02:35:30,159 Dude? I know what Vince Russo? You know you gotta you know you're 1994 02:35:30,159 --> 02:35:33,159 talking to Russo. Brother, Russo made some promises, dude, But what 1995 02:35:33,319 --> 02:35:39,159 did he talk about in terms of you laying down for me? Brother? 1996 02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:50,120 Talking about full circle? He's like in real time, like shifting to well, 1997 02:35:50,159 --> 02:35:52,319 actually, if he comes in I might be able to pick him. 1998 02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:58,520 So that's let's actually see we kind of finally have that Summer Son ninety three 1999 02:35:58,600 --> 02:36:01,120 thing. Brother. Some more color on the whole state of the time locker 2000 02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:03,799 room at the time from the observer. Some of the wrestlers who came in 2001 02:36:03,879 --> 02:36:07,200 at the last tapings who weren't regulars, noted they couldn't believe how bad morale 2002 02:36:07,360 --> 02:36:11,639 was. They said the consensus was that guys were just there to collect paychecks 2003 02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:15,079 and that a crossboard people were complaining about Eric Bischoff, Hulkcogan, and Vince 2004 02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:18,639 Russo. The wrestlers have all lost confidence in Russo, at least among the 2005 02:36:18,680 --> 02:36:20,559 ones who had confidence in him to begin with. With Hogan and Bishoff, 2006 02:36:20,600 --> 02:36:24,000 the reaction was that they complained about what Russo has them do as much as 2007 02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:28,319 anyone, but the resentment is they have power, but they haven't seemed to 2008 02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:31,600 have come up with any good ideas of their own, and most openly will 2009 02:36:31,639 --> 02:36:33,840 say they wished the company hired Paul Hayman last summer and he cleaned house of 2010 02:36:33,879 --> 02:36:37,200 the guys who aren't contributing. There continue to be the feelings of just cashing 2011 02:36:37,239 --> 02:36:41,079 the checks and people not having faith in management and booking. Eric Bischoff and 2012 02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:46,000 Hulcogan have privately among the wrestlers, but they heat on Vince Russo and said 2013 02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:48,079 how much better things could be if he was out of the position. But 2014 02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:52,520 the wrestlers have no faith in Bischoff and Hogan because of the feeling they've been 2015 02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:56,760 around for eighteen months and not contributed much. Bischoff has made some minor changes 2016 02:36:56,760 --> 02:36:58,840 you wouldn't notice, and some you would that are for the better, but 2017 02:36:58,959 --> 02:37:01,680 none that are important enough to make a business difference. Plus, there are 2018 02:37:01,680 --> 02:37:03,319 a lot of people who hate the way he treats everyone who isn't a big 2019 02:37:03,360 --> 02:37:07,680 star, so he's generally not well liked. The reality is Hogan is so 2020 02:37:07,799 --> 02:37:11,200 much more effective as a character who isn't around much, but it's a big 2021 02:37:11,239 --> 02:37:13,479 deal when he shows up the role he did by his own design in WWE. 2022 02:37:13,879 --> 02:37:18,360 The thing is, nobody got that better than Hogan, and yet he's 2023 02:37:18,440 --> 02:37:20,559 not doing that now and instead making himself the center of everything all the time. 2024 02:37:20,719 --> 02:37:24,239 Yeah, I think that might be because of what we just read from 2025 02:37:24,280 --> 02:37:28,879 the deposition. Thirty three appearances for five hundred grand. Oh man, he's 2026 02:37:28,920 --> 02:37:31,760 not getting that money unless he makes thirty three environances right, and you don't 2027 02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:35,719 think there's a calendar in his fucking house and on his fucking black dorry keeping 2028 02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:41,920 track of that total that tally. Oh there's another piece of color. There 2029 02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:46,200 was a stage. I gotta make, dude. I gotta make a knobs 2030 02:37:46,280 --> 02:37:50,000 Can you fuck? Brother? Dude? Can you can you? Can you 2031 02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:52,399 hook me up with a ride? Dude? I gotta can you take me 2032 02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:58,520 to to to to Universal, brother, because I gotta do TV and I 2033 02:37:58,559 --> 02:38:01,280 gotta do t vissiln a town. I gotta make it town. I gotta 2034 02:38:01,319 --> 02:38:05,760 make Orlando, Dude, can you make Can you bring me to Orliz Brother? 2035 02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:13,479 So honestly, come on, dude, well uh, come on, 2036 02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:16,440 brother, you gotta get on the ball, Dude, you gotta get on 2037 02:38:16,520 --> 02:38:20,600 the fucking ball. Brother Russo had an Angle verse Sting match on a pay 2038 02:38:20,639 --> 02:38:22,319 per view set up and apparently the last pay per view Belts of reports. 2039 02:38:22,520 --> 02:38:26,120 When Hogan found out what the finish was for Sting Verse Angle, he blew 2040 02:38:26,159 --> 02:38:28,079 his stack and cut a promo one Russo saying he didn't know anything about wrestling 2041 02:38:28,079 --> 02:38:33,440 because he was never a wrestler. A brother so he's getting involved and finishes 2042 02:38:33,440 --> 02:38:37,840 and stuff that everything to do with him must be the match where he smacks 2043 02:38:37,639 --> 02:38:43,079 Sting in the back to uh set up the bound for glory match at Sacrifice. 2044 02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,280 I think it was, but uh, that was pretty much it. 2045 02:38:46,559 --> 02:38:50,280 Russo was gone by October or he was demoted in October, and by January 2046 02:38:50,319 --> 02:38:54,760 of twenty and twelve, he's officially gone, according to him, after getting 2047 02:38:54,799 --> 02:38:58,120 his attorney involved and finding a way out of his TNA contract as opposed to 2048 02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:03,159 having been shown the door it being pressured to want to quit and being fired. 2049 02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:07,719 I don't see much of a difference. Yeah, so let's reset where 2050 02:39:07,719 --> 02:39:11,639 we are to some degree, it's January. Jeff Hardy of course, as 2051 02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:16,440 we talked about in closing out twenty ten, and TNA is the world champion. 2052 02:39:16,159 --> 02:39:20,360 Yeah, leader of fortune. They're building the whole company around him and 2053 02:39:20,440 --> 02:39:24,879 his heel persona, and uh, well that's just not gonna last very long. 2054 02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:26,479 It's Jeff Hardy. It's Jeff Hardy two thousand and ten. No less 2055 02:39:28,120 --> 02:39:31,840 so all this you know, custom Bell new character doing traditional heel style pay 2056 02:39:31,879 --> 02:39:37,079 per view main events, something right that you were digging boss? Yeah, 2057 02:39:37,239 --> 02:39:39,799 No, I was a fan of that. I was a fan of that, 2058 02:39:39,000 --> 02:39:43,920 and then you know, well I saw what was going on. I'm 2059 02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:50,360 January um Ken Anderson beats Jeff Hardy to win the Diva's title. So it's 2060 02:39:50,440 --> 02:39:54,559 it's true. It's true comedy to see someone other than Jeff Hardy hold that 2061 02:39:54,600 --> 02:39:58,639 purple championship belt. Just oh, it really is. It's that. That's 2062 02:39:58,719 --> 02:40:03,079 that's kind of the thing into it's a real embarrassment if it's not going to 2063 02:40:03,159 --> 02:40:07,719 be him. Absolutely, I drop that fucking bell and put it on, 2064 02:40:07,959 --> 02:40:11,000 you know, like get rid of it. Seriously. It's such a hullaballoo 2065 02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:16,000 about the power of Immortal and Fortune joining forces Ric Flair Stable and Hulk Coogan 2066 02:40:16,079 --> 02:40:20,440 Stable as this like ultra power force. That's like the prevailing theme of the 2067 02:40:20,520 --> 02:40:24,079 Impacts at the end of two thousand and ten, as we've talked about, 2068 02:40:24,479 --> 02:40:30,000 and within months and weeks rather in twenty eleven, Ric Flair turns on Fortune, 2069 02:40:30,120 --> 02:40:33,319 leaves the group, and Fortune, which is basically aj Styles and Kazarian 2070 02:40:33,639 --> 02:40:39,920 and Rude and Storm become baby faces just like that, and uh Steiner Scott 2071 02:40:39,959 --> 02:40:46,920 Steiner debuts with TNA and gets in all of this rigamarole. This is I 2072 02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:50,120 believe the run where he cuts that famous Math promo. Maybe maybe that was 2073 02:40:50,159 --> 02:40:52,760 his prior T and A run he had, He had been in TNA before, 2074 02:40:54,639 --> 02:40:56,840 but what a fucking riot it is to have him in the company. 2075 02:40:56,920 --> 02:41:00,239 He ends up suing TNA as well. That's fine, Well, get to 2076 02:41:00,319 --> 02:41:07,159 that someday. But here's the here's the big fiery promo that Aj Styles cut 2077 02:41:07,799 --> 02:41:11,040 when Fortune was abandoned by Rick Flair and turned baby face. And now they're 2078 02:41:11,079 --> 02:41:15,600 trying to shift the narrative back to these are the young, hungry upstarts, 2079 02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:18,319 because you know, there's always that's always the storyline when Bischoff and Russo around, 2080 02:41:18,399 --> 02:41:22,120 right, like all the young guys get together and all the old guys 2081 02:41:22,200 --> 02:41:26,440 can geal together and fight each other. It's like nWo plus New Blood Millionaires 2082 02:41:26,479 --> 02:41:31,440 Club put together, and they go for the jugular a bit here, as 2083 02:41:31,639 --> 02:41:41,040 Aj is allowed to go into Bischoff's arguably shoddy history with managing wrestling companies here 2084 02:41:41,079 --> 02:41:45,120 and this promo cut on an episode of Impact in early twenty eleven. Let's 2085 02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:52,159 hit AJ promo on Eric. I told you Bishoff that Aj styles Fortune. 2086 02:41:52,479 --> 02:42:00,920 We're not taking a backseat to anyone, all right. You brought this all 2087 02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:05,200 on yourself. Who did you think I was talking about? Bischoff? Who 2088 02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:09,280 did you think I was talking about? Did you think we were talking about 2089 02:42:09,399 --> 02:42:26,360 some other guys? Vilma VI? Is us you ungrateful son of a bish? 2090 02:42:30,040 --> 02:42:37,040 You eat a brand hill billy podcast. Nothing happening? You four people, 2091 02:42:37,440 --> 02:42:43,239 you four punks happening? You've happen nothing before Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff 2092 02:42:43,360 --> 02:42:56,120 got here. Nothing. You were what the crappy would take to fertilize your 2093 02:42:56,280 --> 02:43:01,040 grave. What that you would made you something? This is how do you 2094 02:43:01,159 --> 02:43:09,639 repay us? This is how do you repay them? Hold on? What 2095 02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:13,200 are you so pissed off about? Are you so pissed off that we saw 2096 02:43:13,559 --> 02:43:22,959 through your smoking mirrors? Your life is stupid bustard smoking mirrors, smoking mirrors? 2097 02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:30,040 More success have you've ever been associated with? You a billion dollars company 2098 02:43:30,319 --> 02:43:35,479 out of business, and I'm gonna run you out of business. And you 2099 02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:39,280 came here to Tena to try to do the same and it's not gonna happen. 2100 02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:48,040 And it all started when you and Holgan stepped into Tena. You started 2101 02:43:48,120 --> 02:43:52,280 spending money, you started changing things, and you were hiring guys that didn't 2102 02:43:52,319 --> 02:44:09,639 deserve to be in wrestling in the first place. You're digging your own gram 2103 02:44:09,719 --> 02:44:15,799 AJ, you and fortune and the crap. You're in the ring with the 2104 02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:20,360 only reason you're there, it's because of the hard work that these guys did 2105 02:44:20,639 --> 02:44:30,360 putting you there. Oh jeesus, you want six sides, you know, 2106 02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:37,479 folks, Folks, you don't want six sides? All right, you don't 2107 02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:41,879 want I know you think you do. I know that in your mind you 2108 02:44:43,000 --> 02:44:48,079 think it's a cool thing. It's not, and you're not. All right, 2109 02:44:48,559 --> 02:44:54,879 stop embarrassing yourself at AJ six sides, please, Oh god. I 2110 02:44:56,079 --> 02:45:00,200 was trying to be open minded, and you know, the six sided ring 2111 02:45:00,440 --> 02:45:05,000 was something that was difficult to lose because I felt like it had become our 2112 02:45:05,079 --> 02:45:07,280 identity and who we were. But it made us different. And the reasons 2113 02:45:07,319 --> 02:45:11,559 we did it, you know, we just it made us stand out on 2114 02:45:11,719 --> 02:45:15,639 some level. We had to realign the sun, the moon and the stars 2115 02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:18,319 to get to where we are today. And as we changed, as I 2116 02:45:18,440 --> 02:45:22,440 took over, the sum of all the parts was the six seven, eight 2117 02:45:22,520 --> 02:45:26,479 sided ring, whatever the heck it was. I mean, wrestling was made 2118 02:45:28,559 --> 02:45:31,879 to happen in a squared circle. You know, the squared circles all you 2119 02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:37,559 ever hear about. It's not a playpen, a pigpen, an MMA ring, 2120 02:45:37,399 --> 02:45:41,079 an eight side and six sides side whatever. I mean, that wasn't 2121 02:45:41,079 --> 02:45:45,239 a wrestling ring. That was somewhere where a bunch of kids could go, 2122 02:45:45,360 --> 02:45:50,479 bounce around and act like wrestlers. Now we have the squared circle and this 2123 02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:54,280 is where wrestling happens in this were wrestling r there we go. Going from 2124 02:45:54,360 --> 02:46:01,079 six to four was stupid. We are different and when you take six sides 2125 02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:05,520 away from us, so we're just like everyone else. I mean, it 2126 02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:09,079 takes a different kind of wrestling to get into a six sided break and adapt 2127 02:46:09,159 --> 02:46:11,200 to it. So you've got the very best that's excited bringing then you throw 2128 02:46:11,239 --> 02:46:16,200 them into a four rek why so you can be comfortable Hogan? Yes? 2129 02:46:16,879 --> 02:46:22,399 Or who else you bring in that can't hold a candle to not one of 2130 02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:31,879 the TENA originals. Mistake after mistake after mistake. So the storyline is about 2131 02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:37,879 Bischoff and Hogan's management decisions and who they're higher of course don't that's that's very 2132 02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:41,479 intriguing. M that's from the Really, that's what I want from my wrestling, 2133 02:46:41,959 --> 02:46:48,040 because I want to know about backstage politicking. The tena immortal DVD that 2134 02:46:48,159 --> 02:46:52,879 we sampled extensively in our last two twenty tenty and age episodes. It also 2135 02:46:52,440 --> 02:46:56,239 kind of includes the period where fortune turns back baby Face that we just talked 2136 02:46:56,280 --> 02:46:58,799 about a bit of twenty eleven two when they're and it ends or about this 2137 02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:05,239 springtime of twenty eleven. So that's the you know, what's my motivation, 2138 02:47:05,319 --> 02:47:09,520 they say in acting, and that's AJ's motivation. Six sided ring and all 2139 02:47:09,559 --> 02:47:11,959 that. Representative still not dead. This is about the end of it, 2140 02:47:13,000 --> 02:47:16,000 though we won't hear much more about it after this. Better or not. 2141 02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:20,000 Jesus Christ, what a shit show. Trying to come up with other ideas 2142 02:47:20,200 --> 02:47:24,600 to catalyze some more excitement in TNA. Now that he's officially executive producer, 2143 02:47:24,639 --> 02:47:28,840 Bischoff and company put their heads together and the decision is made that finally we're 2144 02:47:28,920 --> 02:47:35,760 going to take Impact tapings out of Universal Studios in Orlando for an experimental run 2145 02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:41,680 on the road, and they're going to do a television taping in late February 2146 02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:46,719 in Fayetteville, North Carolina, the first Impact on the Road, and it's 2147 02:47:48,040 --> 02:47:52,879 it's a moderate success. It's February twenty fourth, and the key here is 2148 02:47:52,920 --> 02:47:56,399 that TNA pays for these tapings. Spike does not pay for these like wow, 2149 02:47:58,200 --> 02:48:01,120 like they paid for you know, as Bischoffs want to remind us Hogan 2150 02:48:01,159 --> 02:48:05,760 and Bishoff salaries clearly, I mean, we just write the contract. I 2151 02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:09,479 mean, it's not with Spike. So if Spike is paying for it, 2152 02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:13,200 it's kind of weird because they don't have to. The contract clearly obliges TENA 2153 02:48:13,360 --> 02:48:16,520 Entertainment LLC to pay for it. But perhaps Spike is just putting the money 2154 02:48:16,559 --> 02:48:20,520 into Tena's budget to do that, or increasing the amount they're paying in rights 2155 02:48:20,559 --> 02:48:26,159 fees for the television broadcast to include some talent fees. It's not really disputed. 2156 02:48:26,200 --> 02:48:28,239 I mean, Spike confirmed that they did pay for Hogan, Sting and 2157 02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:33,000 Bishoff and some others in a press statement, but this was not among those 2158 02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:37,319 expenses. So this is TNA having to figure out where in their budget they 2159 02:48:37,360 --> 02:48:41,280 can afford. You know, these aren't live tapings. These are of these 2160 02:48:41,319 --> 02:48:45,719 are being put in the can to be aired on tape delay, so they're 2161 02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:50,079 not necessarily incurring what I understand to be one of the biggest costs of running 2162 02:48:50,120 --> 02:48:56,840 live, which is satellite uplink charges incredibly expensive to broadcast something live back then, 2163 02:48:56,040 --> 02:49:01,360 and I suppose even today at the highest quality. But they do incurr 2164 02:49:01,399 --> 02:49:07,159 expense, and they they tape a show that airs up March third on Spike 2165 02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:09,520 TV, and then another show that airs the week after, So they were 2166 02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:13,159 taping like two or three weeks at a time when they go to these remote 2167 02:49:13,239 --> 02:49:18,760 venues. And we included that this is the one boss that has the staying 2168 02:49:18,840 --> 02:49:24,159 Jeff Hardy match on it and his stings return right when he comes back. 2169 02:49:24,040 --> 02:49:30,319 Yeah, and I gotta say it absolutely makes a difference to have these people 2170 02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:33,559 responding and reacting to wrestlers that, yeah, you know, they haven't seen 2171 02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:37,479 before coming to a town near them, and it definitely invigorates the product. 2172 02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:43,200 And I think that's when Bischoff laments Panda Energy, he doesn't say it in 2173 02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:46,479 as many words, Panda Energy is disinterested investing in TNA. I think that's 2174 02:49:46,520 --> 02:49:50,600 what he's talking about, is he can't bring impact on the road every week 2175 02:49:50,600 --> 02:49:54,840 so that the show appears to be something people give a shot, right, 2176 02:49:56,000 --> 02:50:01,479 And you know, in twenty eleven, they they do see improvements in ratings, 2177 02:50:01,280 --> 02:50:05,079 They do see moderate improvements in pay per view by rates, though there 2178 02:50:05,079 --> 02:50:09,920 are some aberrations that indicate they haven't really truly struck a chord in terms of 2179 02:50:09,000 --> 02:50:13,040 compelling people to buy pay per views in twenty eleven more so than they did 2180 02:50:13,079 --> 02:50:18,000 in twenty ten. But there is some movement, but it's so minor and 2181 02:50:18,280 --> 02:50:20,399 and everything they do is a half step. You know. It's like, 2182 02:50:20,440 --> 02:50:24,440 we're not going to Monday nights. We're trying Monday nights. We're not going 2183 02:50:24,239 --> 02:50:28,040 on the road with impact, We're trying it. Yeah, they can't just 2184 02:50:28,159 --> 02:50:28,760 do that, Come on, now, they can't. I mean, they 2185 02:50:28,799 --> 02:50:31,399 can't just make a decision. They have to They have to try. They're 2186 02:50:31,440 --> 02:50:33,719 looking at ones and zeros on paper, and there's just nowhere to find the 2187 02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:37,239 money to do it. But everybody agrees that that's what has to be done. 2188 02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:43,159 So it's a very it's a very very strange situation they find themselves in 2189 02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:48,040 that they tape further. They make further announcements in the summer that Tina will 2190 02:50:48,040 --> 02:50:52,040 be taping outside of Orlando and Huntsville, Alabama, and the Knoxville Coliseum in 2191 02:50:52,120 --> 02:50:56,120 Knoxville, Tennessee, as well as a plan to run tapings in the late 2192 02:50:56,159 --> 02:51:01,799 October and making Georgia with tickets as low as fifteen dollars to be in attendance, 2193 02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:11,000 and the Huntsville tapings draw three thousand, three hundred fans. They it's 2194 02:51:11,040 --> 02:51:15,239 not as hot as the Fayetteville crowd that first taping on the road. It's 2195 02:51:15,280 --> 02:51:16,920 pretty good. Forty five hundred fans in Knoxville. I think they had around 2196 02:51:16,959 --> 02:51:20,680 three thousand in Fayetteville as well. There's a lot of paper for there for 2197 02:51:20,799 --> 02:51:24,719 that because their house shows were drawing like five hundred thousand people, but those 2198 02:51:24,760 --> 02:51:31,840 are much less well promoted. There really wasn't much in the way of like 2199 02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:35,680 a street team trying to raise awareness that Tena's come into your city and come 2200 02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:39,520 to the house show. But they were able to promote the tapings on television 2201 02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:45,799 pretty aggressively. So yeah, the idea too from Spike side is maybe we 2202 02:51:45,840 --> 02:51:48,799 can throw some Gate money, any equation and afford some more investment right in 2203 02:51:48,879 --> 02:51:52,000 TNA. If if you're actually selling tickets to the fucking tapings instead of letting 2204 02:51:52,040 --> 02:51:54,639 people free at the Impact Zone, which is what they would do, because 2205 02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:56,920 if they charge people to come to the Impact Zone, pretty soon there'll be 2206 02:51:56,920 --> 02:52:03,440 nobody there. The whole idea was to come for free and I'm sure these 2207 02:52:03,479 --> 02:52:05,200 tapings on the road had more than turkey legs to offer boss if you got 2208 02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:11,040 hungry, it confirmed that. But those are important, so they're doing that. 2209 02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:13,639 It's said to be a difference, an experiment to see if it makes 2210 02:52:13,719 --> 02:52:16,280 much of a difference in the ratings. It really it really didn't. But 2211 02:52:18,639 --> 02:52:20,559 it didn't hurt the ratings either. That's you know, I don't think you'd 2212 02:52:20,600 --> 02:52:30,559 expect it to, but they, yeah, they it's it's considered a negative 2213 02:52:30,600 --> 02:52:33,799 sign after trying three attempts at on the road tapings that they don't go on 2214 02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:37,159 the road like Thanksgiving weekend, you know, and some of the weekends around 2215 02:52:37,159 --> 02:52:41,280 the holidays in twenty eleven that you think would be pretty easy to draw a 2216 02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:43,799 live crowd at. So they're pretty much done with this by twenty eleven. 2217 02:52:43,879 --> 02:52:50,120 As well. Another you know box that Bischoff desperately wants to check that just 2218 02:52:50,200 --> 02:52:54,040 will not be checked. And as they're going on the road taping they're trying 2219 02:52:54,120 --> 02:52:56,479 to crack down on because you know, you've got to find something to blame 2220 02:52:56,840 --> 02:53:01,959 when the ratings don't move, and inevitably every wrestling promotion lands on well, 2221 02:53:01,000 --> 02:53:05,079 if there weren't goddamn spoilers all over the internet and people had to actually watch 2222 02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:09,879 the show to find out what happened. Our ratings would improve never happens, 2223 02:53:09,360 --> 02:53:13,600 but they made a comical effort at the midpoint of twenty eleven to do something 2224 02:53:13,639 --> 02:53:16,559 about it. This from The Observer. The company has decided to try and 2225 02:53:16,600 --> 02:53:20,520 eliminate results of tapings getting on the internet. At the May thirtieth tapings, 2226 02:53:20,600 --> 02:53:24,120 John Benoydudas reports from the tapings for the Pro Wrestling Insider website was kicked out 2227 02:53:24,200 --> 02:53:30,159 of the tapings, escorted off Universal Studios by security. The story of parking 2228 02:53:30,200 --> 02:53:33,040 few days earlier than anyone with a mobile phone that they believed to be sending 2229 02:53:33,079 --> 02:53:35,559 results of the shows would be kicked out at the tapings. It's almost mind 2230 02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:39,200 boggling how TNA Meltzer Rights goes to such lengths to at times cater to their 2231 02:53:39,239 --> 02:53:45,799 fans while at the same time loathing them. Goes back to the lecture at 2232 02:53:45,840 --> 02:53:48,479 the first Hogan Bishoff pay per view about how your cast members remember that, 2233 02:53:50,200 --> 02:53:52,840 yes, yes, I would want to get on the road as fast as 2234 02:53:52,879 --> 02:53:56,040 possible as well if every time I came out they shot on me and chanted 2235 02:53:56,120 --> 02:53:58,959 six sides and turned their back to me. But that's neither here nor there. 2236 02:54:01,280 --> 02:54:03,680 The DVR numbers were a strength of TNA, but they started to get 2237 02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:09,000 disappointing in twenty eleven. And the conclusion is, as Meltzer reported today, 2238 02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:11,200 what we found out is there is a very small TENA audience. About half 2239 02:54:11,360 --> 02:54:16,399 or more of the TNA audience consists of ww fans who will watch wrestling on 2240 02:54:16,520 --> 02:54:22,159 Thursday and see TNA, but will not watch if WWF is on. So 2241 02:54:22,280 --> 02:54:28,639 the Impact rating in twenty seven was one point six, in twenty ten, 2242 02:54:28,680 --> 02:54:33,360 it's one point six. What are we doing here? And in two thousand 2243 02:54:33,360 --> 02:54:41,840 and nine its one point one four, and it's it's really The last Impact 2244 02:54:41,879 --> 02:54:46,879 of twenty ten was a one point one zero rating with one point four zero 2245 02:54:46,959 --> 02:54:52,760 million viewers, and the show is averaging one point four six in the last 2246 02:54:52,840 --> 02:54:56,079 quarter of twenty oh nine. So the year over year comparisons, you can 2247 02:54:56,120 --> 02:54:58,479 find bright spots, but they're just as nothing to point too. That says 2248 02:54:58,520 --> 02:55:03,040 the investor, and Hulk Coogan and Eric Bischoff built business up past where it 2249 02:55:03,159 --> 02:55:07,639 was before. I mean, can you at least no, I'm telling you 2250 02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:13,680 we took it to the next level. We took it waiting for that go. 2251 02:55:13,879 --> 02:55:16,639 Brother. You know we're just kind of working one step at a time, 2252 02:55:16,760 --> 02:55:18,040 Dude. You know we work one step at a time. Brother, 2253 02:55:18,120 --> 02:55:20,920 But I'm telling you, we know we're taking ourselves to the top of the 2254 02:55:20,959 --> 02:55:26,840 wrestling world. Okay, it should be much more of a tiny increase, 2255 02:55:28,879 --> 02:55:33,079 brother, adding Hulk Coogan, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Sting, Rob 2256 02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:37,879 Van Dam, Jeff Hardy. These are big ticket players and you basically are 2257 02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:39,440 doing the same numbers she did before they came in. And if they're up, 2258 02:55:39,479 --> 02:55:45,000 they're up so modestly that it's it's not modestly to the top either, 2259 02:55:46,440 --> 02:55:54,760 uh they Hogan um Listmanah doing an interview around this time, and this is 2260 02:55:54,840 --> 02:55:56,479 one of the spins he came up with as to why things weren't going so 2261 02:55:56,559 --> 02:56:01,079 well. Quote. People keep making statements about how TENA is not doing well. 2262 02:56:01,239 --> 02:56:03,959 Pardon me, this is Eric Bischoff. People keep making statements about how 2263 02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:07,239 TNA is not doing well or TNA sucks, or whatever juvenile trite that comes 2264 02:56:07,280 --> 02:56:09,639 out of their heads. It occurred to me that no one is talking about 2265 02:56:09,639 --> 02:56:11,760 how TENA is doing as a company. Coincidentally, I got an email from 2266 02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:16,399 Spike TV talking about last Thursday's rating. This is in June, by the 2267 02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:18,559 way. In the email it said that Impact Wrestling was the number one rated 2268 02:56:18,559 --> 02:56:22,639 show and it's a demo and its time period. Despite that we were up 2269 02:56:22,680 --> 02:56:26,000 against the NBA Finals. Impact Wrestling is the number one program on all of 2270 02:56:26,079 --> 02:56:28,239 Spike Television. We outperform the UFC. To be able to be the number 2271 02:56:28,239 --> 02:56:31,280 one show on that network in primetime is a very significant achievement. I just 2272 02:56:31,360 --> 02:56:35,360 wanted to point that out because not enough people are talking about the good things 2273 02:56:35,440 --> 02:56:41,280 going on in TNA. Okay, yeah, okay, they were against the 2274 02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:46,000 NBA Finals, Yes they were, but you were not the number one rated 2275 02:56:46,040 --> 02:56:50,959 show and the demo in the time period because the NBA FO mails definitely beat 2276 02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:54,520 them there. There is the thing. The reason they were number one, 2277 02:56:54,600 --> 02:56:58,239 Meltzer says, on cable and a specific demo mails thirty five to forty nine 2278 02:56:58,840 --> 02:57:01,879 in their time slot and cables. NBA Finals weren't on cable, they were 2279 02:57:01,879 --> 02:57:07,840 on ABC. Um. But it's like they were beating the NBA and their 2280 02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:11,680 demo. But it's like, dude, like the cable is separate, like 2281 02:57:11,920 --> 02:57:20,319 the ratings, brother, what are you? What are you? Saying, 2282 02:57:20,399 --> 02:57:26,600 dude, you're not being compared to what's on network television. I begged to 2283 02:57:26,680 --> 02:57:30,399 differ, bro. I guess I must have this wrong. And it's true 2284 02:57:30,440 --> 02:57:33,319 that Tough was going down the Ultimate Fighter by twenty eleven, it was kind 2285 02:57:33,360 --> 02:57:37,479 of a tired concept. So that's true they were doing better ratings or commensate 2286 02:57:37,639 --> 02:57:43,479 ratings with Tough. What's going on, dude, it's a great question. 2287 02:57:43,559 --> 02:57:46,079 I'm still trying to figure it out. The reason they were number one on 2288 02:57:46,200 --> 02:57:48,120 cable in a specific demo males or de Fight to forty nine in their time 2289 02:57:48,159 --> 02:57:52,040 slot is because the NBA Finals weren't on cable, Right, Okay, so 2290 02:57:52,120 --> 02:57:56,639 you're touting that we're number one in this demographic um and then touting that we 2291 02:57:56,760 --> 02:58:00,719 did that against the NBA Finals. But if the NBA Finals run cable, 2292 02:58:00,719 --> 02:58:05,719 you would not be number one? Would you that? That's the top point 2293 02:58:05,760 --> 02:58:09,920 there? Who number one? Brother? Something else that happens just a week 2294 02:58:11,040 --> 02:58:16,000 after Eric Bischoff signs the contract to become executive producer of Impact is some TNA 2295 02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:20,040 attorneys make their way down to the patent office, or at least navigate to 2296 02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:24,799 the website. It's time to capture the word mark boss the trademark on February 2297 02:58:24,840 --> 02:58:31,079 seventeenth, twenty eleven, according to records for Impact Wrestling. Oh boy. 2298 02:58:31,879 --> 02:58:37,280 This pattern, of course covers prerecorded videotapes, compact discs, and DVDs featuring 2299 02:58:37,319 --> 02:58:46,639 wrestling and sports entertainment. And yes, they are seeking to change the name 2300 02:58:46,680 --> 02:58:50,799 and identity of TNA after all these years being associated with those three letters. 2301 02:58:50,559 --> 02:58:54,639 Another move made in twenty eleven, in addition to you know, making bishoff 2302 02:58:54,680 --> 02:58:58,760 executive producer, taking some tampings on the road, is to rename the company 2303 02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:03,959 Packed Wrestling instead of TNA. Now, it's so weird because what they actually 2304 02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:11,399 do is rename the Thursday night wrestling television program Impact Wrestling. But they remove 2305 02:59:11,440 --> 02:59:13,799 all mentions of TNA from the screen, right, but they still refer to 2306 02:59:13,879 --> 02:59:18,440 TNA as the name of the company because the technical legal name of the company's 2307 02:59:18,440 --> 02:59:22,479 t TNA Entertainment, LLC. So it gets it gets really confusing when people 2308 02:59:22,479 --> 02:59:26,280 say that the company was renamed Impact Wrestling. It was really just a TV 2309 02:59:26,399 --> 02:59:31,760 show was renamed it and they stopped saying TNA and they went blue. They 2310 02:59:31,840 --> 02:59:35,760 went from red ropes to blue ropes and blue everywhere, and blue flames shooting 2311 02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:39,239 up and they shot a whole new intro pack from Rada SmackDown. Yeah, 2312 02:59:39,280 --> 02:59:45,440 what do you think of the blue Look? You know, it's fine, 2313 02:59:45,879 --> 02:59:50,760 it's fine. It's a little like you know, I can remember what I 2314 02:59:50,840 --> 02:59:56,399 think of Actually is I remember stumbling on I can remember in like I'm gonna 2315 02:59:56,440 --> 03:00:03,479 guess it must have been twenty thirteen, um and living in our apartment in 2316 03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:11,000 Queens and stumbling on it and like watching maybe about a half hour of a 2317 03:00:11,159 --> 03:00:16,520 of an Impact broadcast. Yes, yeah, that's about all I remember, 2318 03:00:16,840 --> 03:00:22,639 and I remember, you know it just I mean, it looks better in 2319 03:00:22,760 --> 03:00:28,280 many ways for sure, but it also looks a lot more artificial, interesting 2320 03:00:28,440 --> 03:00:35,120 artificial. Yeah, you know, there there's a I mean it just or 2321 03:00:35,479 --> 03:00:39,600 yeah, it's a little more artificial, and it's a little more like up 2322 03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:43,600 here, we're gonna take that next step to be the WWE, or to 2323 03:00:43,760 --> 03:00:48,360 look like the w recomparable in some fashion to the WWE. Yeah, yeah, 2324 03:00:48,360 --> 03:00:56,000 it's really interesting. There was a weird, like a unique intimacy to 2325 03:00:56,200 --> 03:01:01,079 the way the show was done, you know. Before that I'm not saying 2326 03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:05,399 it was it was like the greatest thing in the world, but there was 2327 03:01:05,559 --> 03:01:11,040 like A in a weird way. It felt more unique, It felt more 2328 03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:16,440 different than than than than the blue. The blue scheme. Yeah, it's 2329 03:01:16,479 --> 03:01:20,000 so weird. Like whenever you first hear TNA, what the fun does that 2330 03:01:20,040 --> 03:01:24,000 stand for? It sounds like tsannas et cetera. Right, Well, you 2331 03:01:24,079 --> 03:01:26,959 have to say, over time it became an unmistakable identifier. It was like, 2332 03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:33,079 absolutely, you know TNA was something it was or is Impact wrestling such 2333 03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:37,120 as it's presented, could easily be confused with WWE. Yes, and you 2334 03:01:37,159 --> 03:01:41,200 would never look at a show that has TNA on the ring skirt and TNA 2335 03:01:41,639 --> 03:01:46,479 up on them, you know, the rafter uh thing, and say that 2336 03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:50,520 it's WWE. It's kind of weird. But from Spike's perspective, the rebrand 2337 03:01:50,600 --> 03:01:54,319 was an attempt to bring in more ad sales money. Apparently they thought this 2338 03:01:54,399 --> 03:01:58,879 fresh look would would help ad sales, right, I don't know. I 2339 03:02:00,079 --> 03:02:01,680 mean they did. They did sell some advertising on the ring and everything, 2340 03:02:01,879 --> 03:02:07,600 but it's hard to know if suddenly advertising in the actual body of the linear 2341 03:02:07,680 --> 03:02:13,000 TENA Impact broadcast became more appealing. But Spike thought Tenna's scared potential clients those 2342 03:02:13,040 --> 03:02:16,559 three letters because it sounded too close to you know, DNA, and that 2343 03:02:16,680 --> 03:02:20,879 was just a barrier when it came to talking to advertisers. And of course 2344 03:02:20,920 --> 03:02:22,760 that's all Spike hears about can they sell ads against the show? Right, 2345 03:02:22,920 --> 03:02:26,639 of course. So the way they looked at it, calling an impact was 2346 03:02:26,639 --> 03:02:31,000 a move to becoming more ad sales friendly, and of course, you know, 2347 03:02:31,200 --> 03:02:33,000 further enhanced by the fact that the brand doesn't really grow being stuck in 2348 03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:37,959 Orlando with a small audience, and they thought they could put the show on 2349 03:02:37,000 --> 03:02:41,200 the road and that would make a difference as well. So this makes you 2350 03:02:41,239 --> 03:02:46,520 know, the early the first on the road taping we talked about was not 2351 03:02:46,239 --> 03:02:50,680 before they renamed the company. It was still TNA, but the second to 2352 03:02:52,399 --> 03:02:56,600 where us I guess we can just call them blue rope shows basically, yeah, 2353 03:02:56,760 --> 03:03:00,399 right. Meltson wrote that we know that Eric Bischoff and Hulkogan both want 2354 03:03:00,440 --> 03:03:03,600 the name gone immediately TNA. That is, Hogan said that it hampers them 2355 03:03:03,639 --> 03:03:05,559 in business meetings, which is a joke that it makes it any different, 2356 03:03:05,600 --> 03:03:09,639 that it makes any difference. Meltzer says, people fucking care. The TENA 2357 03:03:09,719 --> 03:03:13,120 name isn't over, and there's nothing wrong with a change. He writes, 2358 03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:16,280 promotions have changed names of the TV show and the promotion since the beginning of 2359 03:03:16,399 --> 03:03:18,559 time. The name change never makes any difference in the dynamic of whether people 2360 03:03:18,600 --> 03:03:22,440 watch come to the shows, or if the company makes a profit. It's 2361 03:03:22,479 --> 03:03:24,600 a goofy name if you don't know it. And the question is, after 2362 03:03:24,719 --> 03:03:28,399 nine years of pushing it, how much value does the name have? Honestly, 2363 03:03:28,520 --> 03:03:31,040 very little. But a new name won't mean anymore with the current product. 2364 03:03:31,879 --> 03:03:35,760 That's the thing. As much as much bellyaching a bishop does about how 2365 03:03:35,879 --> 03:03:39,760 TENA didn't invest in themselves when he was there. They made every single fucking 2366 03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:43,239 change you can imagine. They got rid of TNA, they changed the whole 2367 03:03:43,239 --> 03:03:45,520 look of the show, they try to put it on the road. They 2368 03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:48,440 got rid of the six sided ring. They got downplayed and de emphasized the 2369 03:03:48,559 --> 03:03:52,120 X division to the point it barely existed. Like you did it all man, 2370 03:03:52,760 --> 03:03:58,120 and then everything you wanted and nothing fucking changed. Now. They even 2371 03:03:58,360 --> 03:04:05,040 embraced this new slogan they set up like this ad campaign called Wrestling Matters, 2372 03:04:05,159 --> 03:04:09,639 and they put Wrestling Matters up on the board. That is going to be 2373 03:04:09,719 --> 03:04:13,920 the weirdest fucking thing. Well, because wrestling doesn't matter and impact. Right 2374 03:04:13,959 --> 03:04:18,280 now, it doesn't well, wrestling doesn't matter, I mean in general, 2375 03:04:18,559 --> 03:04:22,360 right, And I feel like it was misinterpreted. Like when people hear that, 2376 03:04:22,360 --> 03:04:24,680 they immediately think like, oh, they're finally going to build a company 2377 03:04:24,680 --> 03:04:28,879 around guys who can do five star forty five minute matches. It's like, 2378 03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:31,600 No, that's not what I don't think that's what they meant by wrestling matters. 2379 03:04:31,639 --> 03:04:35,040 I think what they were trying to say was that what the WWE was 2380 03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:39,159 was so not wrestling anymore that just doing wrestling the way they were doing it 2381 03:04:41,399 --> 03:04:45,239 like WWF used to do it is preserving wrestling, is making a statement that 2382 03:04:45,280 --> 03:04:48,920 wrestling matters enough to do it this way something like that. I mean, 2383 03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:52,920 I don't think a company that is always, by necessity going to feature Eric 2384 03:04:52,959 --> 03:04:58,639 Bischoff and Hulkogan on the screen fifty percent of the time is trying to go 2385 03:04:58,719 --> 03:05:01,520 to market's going to matter. The wrestling in the ring is suddenly gonna matter 2386 03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:03,639 more than than they do. But they did it. I don't know if 2387 03:05:03,879 --> 03:05:07,799 what they do matters right. I think it should have been nothing matters. 2388 03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:13,200 I think that should have been Blair did one fully angle Smowa, Joe, 2389 03:05:13,239 --> 03:05:16,920 Tommy Dreamer cut these thirty second commercials. What it really should have been? 2390 03:05:18,040 --> 03:05:22,719 What's the matter? What it should have been? What's the matter? M 2391 03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:26,639 Impact? What's the matter. Let's get some flavor. This is Mike Tenay 2392 03:05:26,719 --> 03:05:31,760 here. I called it First Blue Impact, welcoming ten A viewers and hopefully 2393 03:05:31,840 --> 03:05:41,479 more to the first show with the new look, First Blue Impact. What's 2394 03:05:41,520 --> 03:05:46,360 a bully? Always a bully? What are you gonna say? But look 2395 03:05:46,399 --> 03:05:50,200 around you? Do you like what we've done with a joint? Hum? 2396 03:05:50,280 --> 03:05:56,200 Go get an eye? I mean, hey, why no mistake about it. 2397 03:05:56,239 --> 03:06:00,360 I know Nick Folly was out here last week taking credit for all of 2398 03:06:00,440 --> 03:06:03,440 this, but we all know Mick Foley had nothing to do with it. 2399 03:06:03,879 --> 03:06:09,120 If a couple of network executives, real ones up in New York want to 2400 03:06:09,200 --> 03:06:13,520 make Impact Wrestling look different, feel different, well hell, we're all about 2401 03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:18,239 it. And let's face it, if Mick Foley was really the one behind 2402 03:06:18,280 --> 03:06:22,479 it, it would be thumb tax matter, not wrestling matters, right. 2403 03:06:22,760 --> 03:06:24,639 I mean, when the hell did he wake up? Look at himself in 2404 03:06:24,719 --> 03:06:28,680 the mirror? It see, Frank gotch all of a sudden. Let's be 2405 03:06:28,760 --> 03:06:39,920 honest about it. I am being on a Stamits now speaking of New York 2406 03:06:41,000 --> 03:06:46,440 City and Hulk Hogan Clerk is in New York right now. Of course he's 2407 03:06:46,479 --> 03:06:52,920 having meetings with set executives and Mick Foley. And believe me, when Hulk 2408 03:06:52,120 --> 03:06:58,319 is done with Mic Foli in New York, he'll really be done with mcfolio 2409 03:06:58,360 --> 03:07:03,200 in New York. Mick, you just went into a gunfight with rubber bullets 2410 03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:11,920 tonight. Since Hogan is not here and Folly's in New York, Bishop Rick 2411 03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:20,000 Fla and Immortal are you in Sharks? This is our show and we're gonna 2412 03:07:20,079 --> 03:07:24,280 take care of some bitsiness. Very cool the way he said bitness there, 2413 03:07:24,719 --> 03:07:26,200 Oh, very cool. So a lot of mystery and what the hell he's 2414 03:07:26,200 --> 03:07:30,680 talking about. But that was the first blue impact and the reason they had 2415 03:07:30,719 --> 03:07:33,520 to jury rate such a complicated explanation, as we'll get to as we marched 2416 03:07:33,559 --> 03:07:37,840 through the chronology and in our deep dive portion of things, is that they 2417 03:07:39,079 --> 03:07:43,840 unveiled Nick Foley as the representative of the network, the party that was pushing 2418 03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:48,600 against Hogan and bishof to do more fan friendly things, sort of like if 2419 03:07:48,639 --> 03:07:50,479 we're going to do the storyline, as we'll talk about, where Dixie Carter 2420 03:07:50,680 --> 03:07:54,479 loses her court case to try to get TNA back. Well, we still 2421 03:07:54,559 --> 03:07:58,559 need somebody to fill that vacuum of who's the power counter to Hogan and Bishop 2422 03:07:58,559 --> 03:08:03,120 because they're heels. And so they come up with this notion of the network, 2423 03:08:03,680 --> 03:08:07,680 and mcfoli eventually comes out as representative of the network, of course, 2424 03:08:07,719 --> 03:08:13,000 and then negotiations and relations fall apart with mcfolian. He leaves before they could 2425 03:08:13,040 --> 03:08:18,360 do anything with this, so they have to engineer an explanation of why mcfoli, 2426 03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:20,879 who's supposed to be this change agent and rename it to Impact Wrestling and 2427 03:08:22,200 --> 03:08:24,840 champion the Wrestling matter slogan, Why all of a sudden when he's gone, 2428 03:08:26,040 --> 03:08:31,559 still all these changes that were presented as a slap in the face to Hogan 2429 03:08:31,639 --> 03:08:37,719 and Bishoff are still taking place. Why Why is wrestling matters still all over 2430 03:08:37,799 --> 03:08:41,639 the arena? Why is the whole set looking different? I think it's exciting. 2431 03:08:43,159 --> 03:08:46,840 It is exciting, very exciting, But it was presented as something Folly 2432 03:08:46,959 --> 03:08:50,360 was doing to stick it to Hogan and Bishoff, and then Foley leaves the 2433 03:08:50,440 --> 03:08:56,319 company and they have to come up with an explanation of why Ian is fine 2434 03:08:56,360 --> 03:08:58,600 with it. It sounds fine. They end up doing is just saying the 2435 03:08:58,680 --> 03:09:01,600 network sided with Hogan and this New York meeting that he went to with mcfoley 2436 03:09:03,200 --> 03:09:09,399 truly fugas. It's like you, I don't where just like Dervedy title rate, 2437 03:09:09,399 --> 03:09:11,200 and it's like they do something. You feel like it's a concrete statement 2438 03:09:11,280 --> 03:09:13,719 that they've now turned the page and they've got some new stories to unfold, 2439 03:09:15,239 --> 03:09:18,959 but they don't lock up the talent that's central to it. And they disappear 2440 03:09:18,120 --> 03:09:24,680 before you know step one A can be achieved and they have to, Ah, 2441 03:09:24,799 --> 03:09:28,799 where are you disappearing? B Yeah, where he going? Exactly? 2442 03:09:28,280 --> 03:09:31,479 What? How many more times could bishof say in New York in that promo? 2443 03:09:31,559 --> 03:09:35,600 By the way, Oh god, you know how excited like Dixie got 2444 03:09:35,639 --> 03:09:37,760 when she had to go to the offices, like, oh my god, 2445 03:09:37,799 --> 03:09:41,879 of course plane she got off the plane that he did a car service. 2446 03:09:41,719 --> 03:09:48,399 Oh I love New York. She pretended that there's this one like great cafe 2447 03:09:48,639 --> 03:09:54,680 that she knows about. Oh fuck off, you know about the best pizza. 2448 03:09:54,719 --> 03:10:01,479 She has an opinion about the best pizza in the city. She you 2449 03:10:01,559 --> 03:10:05,000 know, like like she loves you know, you know what she you know, 2450 03:10:05,200 --> 03:10:11,479 she loves most. She loves most if she's walking like in Times Square 2451 03:10:11,680 --> 03:10:16,000 or whatever. You know, she's wearing sunglasses, you know, dressed really 2452 03:10:16,040 --> 03:10:20,639 well, and some tourists comes up to her and asks if she knows where 2453 03:10:20,719 --> 03:10:28,840 some places and she loves giving directions. Oh absolutely, if you go down 2454 03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:33,840 forty second, right here, two blocks and then you take a ride on 2455 03:10:33,000 --> 03:10:43,319 TAMPH you'll go right there. So annoyed, I'm so annoyed how Spike made 2456 03:10:43,639 --> 03:10:52,200 all these Florida fucking bumpkins like feel so big time, like it ruined everything. 2457 03:10:52,440 --> 03:10:56,200 Like me, it was great exposure for them, is great to have 2458 03:10:56,280 --> 03:11:01,000 that television outlet, but man, like it just it just brought this kind 2459 03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:05,040 of like, um, this career is and what's the word I'm looking for, 2460 03:11:05,280 --> 03:11:09,799 like social climbing aspect to the to TNA that it's just it's a total 2461 03:11:09,959 --> 03:11:16,680 joke. But while they're doing television there right exactly, You've got you've got 2462 03:11:16,760 --> 03:11:24,559 the fucking Wonder Years kid, right because Dixie's Oh god, I love the 2463 03:11:24,719 --> 03:11:31,360 Wonder Years. When I was a kid, I used to watch that show 2464 03:11:31,440 --> 03:11:35,959 with my dad. And then TNA purchases, according to The Observer, ad 2465 03:11:37,120 --> 03:11:39,959 space on a half a dozen or so billboards, but only in Stanford, 2466 03:11:39,959 --> 03:11:43,159 Connecticut to advertise wrestling matters. Oh are you serious? Right next to w 2467 03:11:43,319 --> 03:11:50,559 W headquarters. That is hilarious, amazing, um, But I think it 2468 03:11:50,600 --> 03:11:52,799 summarizes it well, Dave. The attempts to be the w tow accepted with 2469 03:11:52,959 --> 03:12:01,600 blood and using words like skank, shit and asshole and promos that's tnah sounds 2470 03:12:01,600 --> 03:12:07,360 good to me. It's bad. So what's what's Hogan got going on? 2471 03:12:07,440 --> 03:12:11,440 Because you know, despite being paid a million and a half, he's hardly 2472 03:12:11,520 --> 03:12:18,559 minding the store at TNA. Just Bishop most weeks on television, Hogan is 2473 03:12:18,719 --> 03:12:22,680 um recuperating from backfusion surgery, and he's got a whole lot of other irons 2474 03:12:22,680 --> 03:12:26,799 in the fire. Remember this is the time of how Hogan's life where he 2475 03:12:26,959 --> 03:12:31,120 is the mission and the direction to his team is clear. Get me any 2476 03:12:31,399 --> 03:12:35,399 fucking sponsorship opportunity that you can find on God's Green, Oh yeah, I 2477 03:12:35,440 --> 03:12:43,399 will do it. And interestingly enough that the sort of downfall of his financial 2478 03:12:43,479 --> 03:12:50,079 situation and his domestic situation becomes fodder for a special that the twenty twenty television 2479 03:12:50,079 --> 03:12:52,159 show does a news magazine show here in the States, sort of an institution 2480 03:12:52,239 --> 03:12:58,799 on ABC sure on sort of like the the collateral damage of the reality television 2481 03:13:00,000 --> 03:13:03,399 phomenon like, and they interview a series of people that were involved in producing 2482 03:13:03,719 --> 03:13:07,600 a lot of the hit reality shows of the genre. Man Hunt no man 2483 03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:11,239 Hunt not among them, took off in the late nineties, and one of 2484 03:13:11,280 --> 03:13:18,040 the producers they ask, sort of of all the people that have been involved 2485 03:13:18,079 --> 03:13:22,000 in these doc follow reality shows documenting their real lives or what's supposed to be 2486 03:13:22,399 --> 03:13:30,120 acsimile of their real lives, who suffered the most negative consequences or dipping their 2487 03:13:30,159 --> 03:13:33,520 toe into the reality television waters And you better believe that twenty twenty viewers back 2488 03:13:33,559 --> 03:13:43,239 here in twenty eleven heard the following hit twenty twenty Reality. The interesting thing 2489 03:13:43,440 --> 03:13:48,239 is they all start off not loving the fact that there's microphones and cameras and 2490 03:13:48,319 --> 03:13:52,000 everything in their face, and they all leave craving it. Anytime we do 2491 03:13:52,079 --> 03:13:56,760 a show, the people we do the show with they have they're sort of 2492 03:13:56,799 --> 03:14:01,799 a version of postpartum depression. The camera stop, they become deeply depressed. 2493 03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:05,920 Who had the hardest time with that when the cameras went away? The hogans, 2494 03:14:05,760 --> 03:14:09,879 Yeah, they're good people. TV has a way, it has a 2495 03:14:09,920 --> 03:14:15,719 way of complicating those relationships and there can be unintended consequences. Let me ask 2496 03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:18,680 you, was there a second's hesitation in that guy's voice? No? No, 2497 03:14:20,120 --> 03:14:26,520 none, Right there, right fucking there? What did it cost the 2498 03:14:26,600 --> 03:14:33,680 Hogans? What did it cost our beloved Hulk? Hogan cost him everything? 2499 03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:45,760 Everything here he is fucking ten back surgeries, fentnel unbelievable, seriously, so 2500 03:14:46,079 --> 03:14:48,520 um, just to make it easier on Hulk. Linda hits the circuit in 2501 03:14:48,520 --> 03:14:52,360 twenty eleven big time because her book's coming out. So she's getting booked on 2502 03:14:52,440 --> 03:14:56,600 talk shows to talk about Hulk. And you know, she's got that passage 2503 03:14:56,600 --> 03:14:58,440 in the book about how Hulk put his hands around her throat once, and 2504 03:14:58,520 --> 03:15:01,840 of course that's all anybody wants to talk about. And she's out there, 2505 03:15:03,159 --> 03:15:07,280 you know, amplifying that part of the book. She's on the Matt Lower 2506 03:15:07,360 --> 03:15:13,399 Show talking about being abused, and so Hulk has got has got to get 2507 03:15:13,440 --> 03:15:16,040 out there. She's saying he was she was afraid of his violent outburst, 2508 03:15:16,079 --> 03:15:18,399 tore her shirt. We read this passage, I think, on the very 2509 03:15:18,440 --> 03:15:22,600 first episode of Total NonStop Hogan, and she went to Peers Morgan show to 2510 03:15:22,680 --> 03:15:28,799 talk about it. Um, you know, talking about Hogan's and fidelities and 2511 03:15:28,879 --> 03:15:33,440 having a girlfriend before the divorce and the Nick accident and all the rest. 2512 03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:39,879 So it's really a tough time for for for Hogan taking these shots from Linda 2513 03:15:39,799 --> 03:15:45,959 on the on the circuit, and he's not responding. Um, and a 2514 03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:50,280 lot of these published and broadcast reports, he's not saying anything to counter it. 2515 03:15:50,399 --> 03:15:54,040 Necessarily. That's not because he doesn't have anything to say. It's because 2516 03:15:54,079 --> 03:15:56,799 he just needs I don't know, he just needs the right venue. Of 2517 03:15:56,920 --> 03:16:05,559 course, he just needs the right forum. Um, well maybe this is 2518 03:16:05,680 --> 03:16:13,239 this is a place he could go to. Eleven Tampa, Flora. Exclusive 2519 03:16:13,280 --> 03:16:18,159 comments are failed on the Bubba Blave Sponge show, known for their longtime friendship. 2520 03:16:18,200 --> 03:16:22,840 HULLK Cogan spoke exclusively today to naturally syndicated bubbla Loave Sponge, responding allegations 2521 03:16:22,879 --> 03:16:26,040 of former wife Linda Hogan makes in a newly released memoir reflecting on her time 2522 03:16:26,079 --> 03:16:30,079 with a Hall of Fame professional wrestler. This morning, Linda Hogan was interviewed 2523 03:16:30,120 --> 03:16:33,639 by Matt Lauer of NBC's Today's Show promoting a recently published memoir. The Hogan 2524 03:16:33,680 --> 03:16:37,879 has refused to respond to any other media outlets Bubba Love Sponge called him direct 2525 03:16:37,959 --> 03:16:41,920 for comment, and so what this is is basically a press release promoting that 2526 03:16:43,000 --> 03:16:45,120 if you want to hear what Hoak said a Bubba's show, you got to 2527 03:16:45,120 --> 03:16:50,200 click an audio link. Ah. So they are in case you thought that 2528 03:16:50,600 --> 03:16:56,079 because Bubba left TNA unceremoniously in twenty ten, that there was no distance between 2529 03:16:56,120 --> 03:17:01,600 Hogan and his favorite aphot along still us thieves, still relying on the on 2530 03:17:01,680 --> 03:17:05,920 the fizz orum that Bubba the Love Sponge provides him, and it's an interesting 2531 03:17:07,360 --> 03:17:13,639 time for Bubba. In January of twenty eleven, this headline hits the Tampa 2532 03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:18,799 Bay newspapers, Tampa Shock Jock Bubba the Love Sponge leaves Sirius XM for Internet 2533 03:17:18,920 --> 03:17:24,399 radio. Wow. He insists this is no fallback position or secondary strategy, 2534 03:17:24,840 --> 03:17:28,879 but Tampa Shock Jock Bubba the Love Sponge Clem admits he is taking a chance 2535 03:17:30,159 --> 03:17:33,719 establishing his own sweet of internet radio channels. After talks to continue his show 2536 03:17:33,040 --> 03:17:37,600 on Sirius XM satellite radio broke down, Clem said Monday there remained an outside 2537 03:17:37,680 --> 03:17:41,360 chance that Sirius Starr Howard Stern, a long time friend, might push the 2538 03:17:41,399 --> 03:17:46,079 company into crafting a new deal with him, but currently his name and programming 2539 03:17:46,120 --> 03:17:48,000 are off the channel, which has been his home since two thousand and six, 2540 03:17:48,600 --> 03:17:52,639 back when no traditional radio company would hire a button pushing personality fired by 2541 03:17:52,719 --> 03:17:58,399 Clear Channel after earning a seven hundred and fifty five thousand dollars federal fine, 2542 03:17:58,360 --> 03:18:05,959 so he start a platform called radioIO dot com where you can hear live streams. 2543 03:18:05,079 --> 03:18:11,959 He's off serious. Yeah. In twenty eleven, Yes, thank god, 2544 03:18:13,200 --> 03:18:20,239 it's not just Hogan christ It's not just Hogan dealing with the fallout of 2545 03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:24,760 divorce. In twenty eleven, Boss one more note on the Bubba front. 2546 03:18:24,239 --> 03:18:28,360 As we pulse check the year twenty eleven here on TNH, I'd like you 2547 03:18:28,479 --> 03:18:37,719 to share the following. But the listenership, oh great, what that fat 2548 03:18:37,799 --> 03:18:50,239 fuck? Local shock jock Bubba the love Sponge Clem files for divorce from the 2549 03:18:50,280 --> 03:18:54,440 Saint Petersburg Times September fourteen, twenty eleven. Or what's behind this divorce? 2550 03:18:56,280 --> 03:18:58,920 It's something as fans have known for some time thanks to the local shock jock 2551 03:19:00,040 --> 03:19:03,280 Bubba love Sponge tendency to talk about his personal life in the radio and in 2552 03:19:03,360 --> 03:19:07,399 social media. But Bubba Clem made his split with wife, Heatherclem, official 2553 03:19:07,600 --> 03:19:13,959 on Friday filing papers requesting a divorce, less than five years after the two 2554 03:19:13,159 --> 03:19:18,000 married at a star stuttered event in Saint Petersburg attended by Hulk Hogan and radio 2555 03:19:18,120 --> 03:19:24,680 star Howard Stern. The petition, filed in Penillas County Civil Court, said 2556 03:19:24,719 --> 03:19:28,959 the marriage between Bubba Clem, forty five and thirty seven year old Heatherclem is 2557 03:19:28,159 --> 03:19:33,799 irretrievably broken and should be dissolved. The Clems separated in March, signing a 2558 03:19:33,840 --> 03:19:39,040 settlement agreement developed with help from a mediator, according to the late to this 2559 03:19:39,280 --> 03:19:43,000 latest filing. Under the mediated settlement, the couple's assets are to be divided 2560 03:19:43,000 --> 03:19:48,000 according to a prenuptial agreement that the pair signed in two thousand and seven, 2561 03:19:48,159 --> 03:19:54,559 requiring no alimony and restoring the wife's name to Heather don Cole. Back then, 2562 03:19:54,760 --> 03:19:58,239 news that the notoriously explicit on air personality was getting married merited a front 2563 03:19:58,280 --> 03:20:03,879 page story the Saint Petersburg Times, as friends and fans alike marveled on such 2564 03:20:03,879 --> 03:20:07,280 a traditional move. In this settlement, the couple also agreed not to interfere 2565 03:20:07,479 --> 03:20:13,239 with, annoy, molest or harass the other party, or disparage the other 2566 03:20:13,360 --> 03:20:18,239 party in public, with special mention made of speaking on air about each other. 2567 03:20:18,040 --> 03:20:22,120 That's an important point because Bubba Clem has built his success in radio on 2568 03:20:22,399 --> 03:20:28,799 challenging rivals through his show and harshly criticizing opponents, but the shock jock has 2569 03:20:28,920 --> 03:20:33,719 encouraged his fans through Twitter to avoid criticizing his departing spouse. During an interview 2570 03:20:33,840 --> 03:20:39,479 last week on fellow shock jock Howard Stern's satellite radio show, Bubba Clem declined 2571 03:20:39,479 --> 03:20:43,639 to detail the reasons for their split, beyond noting that he worked a lot. 2572 03:20:43,280 --> 03:20:48,040 The pair married in January two thousand and seven at First Baptist Church of 2573 03:20:48,120 --> 03:20:54,760 Saint Petersburg in a relatively traditional wedding featuring wrestling star Terry Hulk Hogan Balaya as 2574 03:20:54,840 --> 03:21:00,639 best man and Stern in the audience, along with former Chicago Tribune Company CEO 2575 03:21:01,239 --> 03:21:05,959 Randy Michaels, Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Yeah, that's kind of accommodation 2576 03:21:07,000 --> 03:21:13,159 too, and several members of Stern's on air crew. The couple didn't have 2577 03:21:13,319 --> 03:21:16,719 children during their marriage, but Babba Clem has a son, Tyler, from 2578 03:21:16,760 --> 03:21:20,680 a previous relationship, and Heather Clem has a daughter, Julia, also from 2579 03:21:20,959 --> 03:21:28,319 a previous relationship. Ababba Love Sponge gets divorced. What could be behind that, 2580 03:21:28,559 --> 03:21:31,120 boss, no clue. I can't imagine what, you know, what 2581 03:21:31,239 --> 03:21:35,559 could have possibly happened to cause that that relationship to dissolve? And also in 2582 03:21:35,600 --> 03:21:39,680 the news in Miami in August, he was going to attend the unveiling of 2583 03:21:39,719 --> 03:21:45,559 a nude picture of his daughter. Excuse me, she shot a campaign for 2584 03:21:45,680 --> 03:21:50,479 PETA in which he was naked. Okay, you know, hopefully, and 2585 03:21:50,719 --> 03:21:52,520 Hogan rep said, quote, the photos of the exhibit are very sophisticated and 2586 03:21:52,600 --> 03:21:56,479 classy and just give the illusion of nude or the perception of nude. But 2587 03:21:56,520 --> 03:21:58,840 of course to get these shots to shoot itself is fully nude. You know, 2588 03:22:00,040 --> 03:22:03,440 I don't know. Don't don't say that they're I'm sorry, you know, 2589 03:22:03,559 --> 03:22:07,040 it's such a it's such a stupid thing, you know, if they're 2590 03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:11,040 nude, say they're nude, say you know, but they're not really nude 2591 03:22:11,040 --> 03:22:16,159 because they're not showing their fucking shit, right, So don't don't even she 2592 03:22:16,280 --> 03:22:18,799 was nude at the time the picture was taken. It doesn't self reveals said 2593 03:22:18,879 --> 03:22:22,680 nudity, right, It's not a nude photo because she's covered up. A 2594 03:22:22,840 --> 03:22:31,159 nude photo implies tits and puss. Correct. That's why Huks showed up in 2595 03:22:31,280 --> 03:22:35,399 while a judge using to release Nick Balia from his sentenced five years of probation 2596 03:22:37,239 --> 03:22:43,520 as the request was made. Um. It's reported that Nick had been sentenced 2597 03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:46,920 to a revocation of his license for three years, but when moving to California 2598 03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:50,000 eighteen months later, he was able to get a license there after this whole 2599 03:22:50,079 --> 03:22:56,639 fucking fiasca. Um. He had been released from from prison. It was 2600 03:22:56,639 --> 03:23:00,399 twenty one years old, living in California near his mother, and you know, 2601 03:23:00,600 --> 03:23:03,799 had a series of community service and other things to do. But as 2602 03:23:03,840 --> 03:23:09,360 if twenty eleven, Nick Bola locked up for the John Graziano crashes out of 2603 03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:13,799 jail, so no more m Yeah, recorded jailhouse phone calls for the Hulkster 2604 03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:20,600 to worry about all right, Um that Hogan sues Wells Fargo that gets dismissed 2605 03:23:20,639 --> 03:23:24,520 in twenty eleven. Um. He claimed that they didn't inform him, inform 2606 03:23:24,600 --> 03:23:28,879 him as we talked about before, that he was actually not adequately covered in 2607 03:23:28,959 --> 03:23:31,799 his insurance in the in the event of an accident like what happened with his 2608 03:23:31,920 --> 03:23:37,639 son and that that um lack of insurance caused him to lose a substantial amount 2609 03:23:37,680 --> 03:23:39,840 of money in the out of court sentiment with the Graziano family, which was 2610 03:23:39,959 --> 03:23:46,239 rather hilarious during the deposition readings to hear the lawyer trying to bleed the number 2611 03:23:46,280 --> 03:23:50,920 out of Hulk. Yeah, and the lawyer constantly interjecting, trying to prevent 2612 03:23:52,040 --> 03:23:56,120 him from saying the number, but eventually it pretty much came out. So, 2613 03:23:56,280 --> 03:23:58,479 Yeah, Linda Balay is on the circuit. She's saying, among other 2614 03:23:58,600 --> 03:24:03,959 things, that she was afraid she would become the next Nicole Simpson to take 2615 03:24:03,040 --> 03:24:09,159 that whole Wow. Wow. They sell the bel Air House for um most 2616 03:24:09,159 --> 03:24:13,639 a nine point two asking price, down from a initial offer of twenty million 2617 03:24:13,719 --> 03:24:20,440 dollars price. It had been the market for five years according to reporting. 2618 03:24:22,159 --> 03:24:28,040 And and so it's all all of the trappings of the life Hulk Hogan built 2619 03:24:30,399 --> 03:24:33,200 and his one of a kind pro wrestling career are falling by the wayside rapidly. 2620 03:24:35,239 --> 03:24:41,079 Let's hear Hogan on Good Morning America around this point in time. The 2621 03:24:41,200 --> 03:24:45,159 interview was set up to promote the Micro Championship wrestling television show on True TV 2622 03:24:45,280 --> 03:24:48,600 that he and bischof Hervy Entertainment worked on together. But he's got a range 2623 03:24:48,639 --> 03:24:52,120 of things to cover, and please note what he doesn't mention as well. 2624 03:24:54,920 --> 03:24:58,639 And you try to kill her? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's an 2625 03:24:58,760 --> 03:25:01,280 insane Does that hurt you when you hear that? No, it doesn't. 2626 03:25:01,280 --> 03:25:03,719 It just makes me feel really sad for her, It really does, because 2627 03:25:03,760 --> 03:25:07,719 we pray for her every night, and we pray that she finds closure and 2628 03:25:07,840 --> 03:25:13,520 happiness and it gets rid of this crazy, delusional situation that she actually believes. 2629 03:25:13,559 --> 03:25:16,079 I think what she says at this point. When I spoke to Linda 2630 03:25:16,159 --> 03:25:20,079 in two thousand and nine, she told us her biggest fear came from Hogan's 2631 03:25:20,120 --> 03:25:24,120 reaction to her boyfriend Charlie Hill, thirty years her junior and a former classmate 2632 03:25:24,200 --> 03:25:28,639 of her children. Hogan told Rolling Stone magazine he understood why oj did what 2633 03:25:28,760 --> 03:25:33,840 he did and could do the same. I thought, it's possible. I 2634 03:25:33,879 --> 03:25:39,200 don't want to be a Nicole Simpson situation. I don't know if he could 2635 03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:41,760 go there or not. Are you violent outside of the ring at all? 2636 03:25:41,959 --> 03:25:45,799 No? And not in the home. No, I'm not. I mean 2637 03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:48,239 when we were going to the divorce and she was with her eighteen year old 2638 03:25:48,280 --> 03:25:52,600 boyfriend. If I even was in the same town with her, she would 2639 03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:54,680 file charges if I looked at her the wrong way at a red light and 2640 03:25:54,760 --> 03:25:58,319 one the hen me poot in jail. So if I beat her up for 2641 03:25:58,479 --> 03:26:01,840 twenty three years, why you didn't we talk about this is divorce and why 2642 03:26:01,840 --> 03:26:03,040 all of a sudden is it coming out now when our books come out? 2643 03:26:03,040 --> 03:26:07,840 So it's the whole thing is just so crazy for me. Hogan dealt with 2644 03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:11,879 another bloating. He'll rebuilding his life and recently married Jennifer McDaniel, had twelve 2645 03:26:11,959 --> 03:26:16,799 back surgeries and is digging himself out of financial ruin. He lost millions, 2646 03:26:18,680 --> 03:26:22,360 one hundreds of millions, thing lost, hundreds of ye our houses being bought, 2647 03:26:22,479 --> 03:26:26,280 the cars being boughten vacations for family members. There's eight nine to ten 2648 03:26:26,360 --> 03:26:28,920 million les million going out, so it got way off. How are your 2649 03:26:28,959 --> 03:26:33,000 finances now? You're getting better? Yeah, I'm living in a rental house. 2650 03:26:33,079 --> 03:26:35,840 Would you call yourself rich? Would you call your No, no, 2651 03:26:35,879 --> 03:26:39,680 no, I'm living in abundance. It's not like what it was. No, 2652 03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:41,479 no, no no. But I'm happy now. So money can't buy 2653 03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:46,559 you happiness. It helps, it helps get through the desk. It helps 2654 03:26:46,639 --> 03:26:48,479 make things easier, but it's good nothing to do with being happy. So 2655 03:26:48,680 --> 03:26:54,280 for now, whole Cogan is focused on doing what Hogan knows best. What 2656 03:26:54,479 --> 03:27:00,360 you're gonna do. When my micro Championship Wrestlers, Brother, Wow, that 2657 03:27:00,479 --> 03:27:03,719 was really good. I've done I've done it a couple of times. And 2658 03:27:03,879 --> 03:27:09,840 the show Hogan's micro Championship Wrestling airs Wednesday Night's on True TV. Brother, 2659 03:27:15,239 --> 03:27:20,360 just the foot. What do you hear there, Boss Sunny? Dis I 2660 03:27:20,559 --> 03:27:26,200 hear, I hear lies, I hear falsity is what I hear? I 2661 03:27:26,319 --> 03:27:30,479 hear a guy who who is just trying to who's putting on the act, 2662 03:27:30,719 --> 03:27:35,079 yes, correct, of of seeming important, of of you know, trying 2663 03:27:35,079 --> 03:27:41,200 to be carefree. Yeah, don't, don't. Don't fucking tell me that. 2664 03:27:41,840 --> 03:27:45,200 Uh brother, you know what money helps to you, but you know 2665 03:27:45,760 --> 03:27:52,760 it doesn't doesn't create happiness. Bullshit, bullshit, all right, that's all 2666 03:27:52,920 --> 03:27:58,479 you need to be happy? And until you killed Gawker, all right, 2667 03:28:01,159 --> 03:28:09,280 you were miserable. Correct because if you you know, honestly, because I 2668 03:28:09,399 --> 03:28:13,440 look at it like this, you know all these lawsuits, you know, 2669 03:28:15,159 --> 03:28:20,440 it's it's it's curious to me that so many lawsuits kind of came up after 2670 03:28:20,600 --> 03:28:26,040 the divorce. You know, Yeah, he's suing this person, he's suing 2671 03:28:26,159 --> 03:28:30,719 fucking comes up with all these suits because he had to pace it a huge 2672 03:28:30,719 --> 03:28:35,399 settlement to her into the Grazianos. I mean it's like, you know, 2673 03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:37,840 your spine's gonna get it well as far Ago is gonna get it. Right. 2674 03:28:41,680 --> 03:28:46,200 You know, everybody and their mom is gonna get fucking sued by Hulkogan 2675 03:28:46,639 --> 03:28:50,639 until he's comfortable to get five from TNA and go on fucking Good Morning America 2676 03:28:50,639 --> 03:28:54,200 and not say a peep about it, right, and I mean thinking about 2677 03:28:54,200 --> 03:28:58,280 it too, Like how many fucking lawsuits has he been involved with since Gawker 2678 03:28:58,479 --> 03:29:03,559 None. That's the story right there. The fact that look, look he's 2679 03:29:03,559 --> 03:29:09,280 spending money on lawyers and stuff so we can get quick fucking cash from anybody 2680 03:29:09,440 --> 03:29:18,239 who may have fucking you know, uh said something negative about him or done 2681 03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:22,479 something to him. Pretty amazing. He's voicing a character in the video game 2682 03:29:22,559 --> 03:29:26,360 Saints Row three. Uh wow. He also has a video game come out 2683 03:29:26,399 --> 03:29:31,719 called Hulk Hogan's Main Event. Have you heard of that game? I remember 2684 03:29:31,760 --> 03:29:35,719 that? Yeah, it's fucking atrocious that game. Yes, yes, It's 2685 03:29:35,760 --> 03:29:37,719 one of those games where like was the only licensed wrestler and the rest were 2686 03:29:37,760 --> 03:29:41,399 like fax him, a load of real wrestlers with fake names. Right, 2687 03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:43,639 it was just like an arcade game, and there was no, um, 2688 03:29:45,319 --> 03:29:50,319 there's no skill to it. But you have like, uh, you'd have 2689 03:29:50,520 --> 03:30:00,399 like a brunto chicken pie sounds about right and sounds about delicious. And then 2690 03:30:01,159 --> 03:30:03,600 Hulk does an appearance, according to the Observer, builds his talk show for 2691 03:30:03,719 --> 03:30:07,239 fans. But it ended up being a pitch to get in on a multi 2692 03:30:07,360 --> 03:30:13,000 level marketing business. Brother, I mean, Hulk Hogan's basically selling time shares 2693 03:30:13,079 --> 03:30:16,200 now three hundred people at ten bucks ahead Hogan and Bischoff. Of course, 2694 03:30:16,239 --> 03:30:24,799 Bischoff involved pitching body by Vye Oh my God. Protein powder company of course, 2695 03:30:24,920 --> 03:30:30,239 of course clearly inferior to Titan, but probably the manufacturer of the product 2696 03:30:30,280 --> 03:30:31,760 that Sting shoves in his mouth and that in ring angle to build down for 2697 03:30:31,799 --> 03:30:37,000 glory. Most of the people there Meltzer Rights were the older Hogan fans. 2698 03:30:37,319 --> 03:30:39,840 You imagine that a room full of hulkamaniacs hearing it. Brother, Also, 2699 03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:43,360 do you know what, brother, what I'm what I'm thinking about, Dude, 2700 03:30:43,120 --> 03:30:46,639 I want you to picture this, okay, brother, because I think 2701 03:30:46,680 --> 03:30:50,000 that you know, I'm you know, obviously I love the beach, dude, 2702 03:30:50,120 --> 03:30:56,559 and I'm definitely prefer Florida. But what about what about you know, 2703 03:30:56,639 --> 03:31:01,639 we create Cavava, an obscure old place up in the northeast, brother, 2704 03:31:01,760 --> 03:31:05,680 right, kind of like on the coast, on the coast of you know, 2705 03:31:05,799 --> 03:31:11,600 of Maine, and we call it the Hulka Maine Estates. It's catchy 2706 03:31:11,639 --> 03:31:16,799 if nothing else, or the Kingdom of Hulka, Maine. We you shut 2707 03:31:16,879 --> 03:31:20,239 up at this thing. They're playing clips off his match against Kurt Hennig and 2708 03:31:20,319 --> 03:31:24,000 the one x WF taping they did because since the only matchup phys he has 2709 03:31:24,120 --> 03:31:28,440 rights to air in public. And Horace Hogan's there talking about how it's changed 2710 03:31:28,479 --> 03:31:33,079 his life. His nieces are there talking about how it's changed their lives. 2711 03:31:33,239 --> 03:31:35,559 Multi level marketing, you know the gimmick, right, Yeah, yeah, 2712 03:31:37,000 --> 03:31:39,920 taking inventory and hope to get other people. You really make money by getting 2713 03:31:39,959 --> 03:31:43,920 other people involved in selling the stuff, not by actually selling the stuff. 2714 03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:48,639 Yeah, Leslie's there. Not Jimmy Hart though, who left TNA and kind 2715 03:31:48,680 --> 03:31:52,479 of had a split with with with Hulk and went to WWE in early twenty 2716 03:31:52,719 --> 03:32:00,879 eleven, Bishop is MC talking about I don't know why I should buy this 2717 03:32:00,959 --> 03:32:03,440 product. Here's a sample, and this is what this is what Helk's doing. 2718 03:32:03,799 --> 03:32:09,000 Hit Hogan and body by ye please all right? Wait, I got 2719 03:32:09,040 --> 03:32:13,840 it? Is there one or two? There's two? Okay? Shoot which 2720 03:32:13,879 --> 03:32:16,680 one's which? Well one says two and one doesn't. I think, yeah, 2721 03:32:16,719 --> 03:32:20,280 but I can't see the night. Okay, I got one. Thank 2722 03:32:20,319 --> 03:32:24,440 you, Ho Ho Hogan. Santa Claus was good to me this year, 2723 03:32:24,559 --> 03:32:28,879 Guys. I got the only thing that I wanted that was the fit Kit. 2724 03:32:28,959 --> 03:32:31,000 It's all. I asked Santa for it, and he brought it right 2725 03:32:31,040 --> 03:32:33,799 to me. Let me tell you, getting in shape this year is gonna 2726 03:32:33,840 --> 03:32:37,040 be a piece of cake because the first thing you do is start out with 2727 03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:41,479 the goat to get jump and running, and then you take the pro to 2728 03:32:41,639 --> 03:32:43,920 get you through that tough workout. But I always have to make a tough 2729 03:32:43,959 --> 03:32:48,280 decision in the very beginning, the protein or the cookie. Today I started 2730 03:32:48,280 --> 03:32:52,319 with a cookie and I seal the deal with my favorite protein. I want 2731 03:32:52,319 --> 03:32:56,280 to know what you're gonna do when your train, say your prayers and take 2732 03:32:56,360 --> 03:32:58,319 your fit kit and get in the best shape of your life. It's game 2733 03:32:58,399 --> 03:33:03,959 on with the Thit Kit. We're on a mission now, and our mission 2734 03:33:03,120 --> 03:33:07,479 is to spread the word worldwide. Brother, that's what it's all about. 2735 03:33:09,000 --> 03:33:13,719 This is excitement personified. And for all the Fit Kit and maniacs who ordered 2736 03:33:13,760 --> 03:33:16,479 the Fit Kit in January, I'm getting ready to go back to biceps right 2737 03:33:16,520 --> 03:33:22,120 now, and I'm gonna show you my secret workout how I'm gonna blow past 2738 03:33:22,239 --> 03:33:24,799 Blake Mallin. Brother, guys, sign up now. It's time for the 2739 03:33:24,879 --> 03:33:28,639 special bicep arm workout. But you gotta sign up in January. Don't tell 2740 03:33:28,680 --> 03:33:39,079 anybody else. It's pathetic. That's pathetic. It's the matter with him. 2741 03:33:39,079 --> 03:33:50,040 It's me so sad. Yeah, seriously us don't tell anybody. Brother the 2742 03:33:50,120 --> 03:33:54,520 cookie Hogan, Dude, cookie, I got the cookie. Brother, I 2743 03:33:54,719 --> 03:33:58,479 chomped out on the fucking cookie. And what he says, we have to 2744 03:33:58,520 --> 03:34:01,280 spread it worldwide. It's like a brother. We're gonna spread it, dude, 2745 03:34:01,440 --> 03:34:07,120 We're gonna spread the fucking shit worldwide. Brother, Terry cut cut Terry. 2746 03:34:07,840 --> 03:34:11,879 Sorry, Hey, Hulk, Hulk, listen first, great wonderful, 2747 03:34:13,120 --> 03:34:16,920 wonderful stuff. I love. I think everyone can agree. Your your your 2748 03:34:18,040 --> 03:34:22,000 energy is contagious. But you know, we can't say, we can't say 2749 03:34:22,239 --> 03:34:26,959 fuck her anything like that. We get it, you know this for families 2750 03:34:26,000 --> 03:34:30,680 and stuff stuff to me. I mean, bro, dude, I'll understand. 2751 03:34:30,719 --> 03:34:31,399 Brother. I we'll do We'll do it again. We'll do it again 2752 03:34:35,079 --> 03:34:43,280 and uh roll camera and action. Ho ho hogan. Brother, it's after 2753 03:34:43,440 --> 03:34:54,280 fucking Christmas. Cut cut h hulk again. I think I tell you wonderful. 2754 03:34:54,479 --> 03:35:00,680 Just I love it director, bullshit, it's so good and I can 2755 03:35:00,799 --> 03:35:05,639 feel you feel I can feel about it. But again, get it. 2756 03:35:05,959 --> 03:35:07,879 You know I'm gonna watch them. Oh, brother, a dude, you 2757 03:35:07,959 --> 03:35:11,680 know what. I get so taken up. Brother, I understand you. 2758 03:35:11,799 --> 03:35:13,840 I gotta dial it in. I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2759 03:35:13,840 --> 03:35:16,559 you know what that's when it is dial it in, you know. Yeah, 2760 03:35:16,680 --> 03:35:18,639 brother, I'll get this thing back on track, dude, I'll get 2761 03:35:18,639 --> 03:35:20,000 it back on track. That's perfect, thank you, Yes, yes, 2762 03:35:20,120 --> 03:35:22,000 all right, all right, you're good, you're good. Do you want 2763 03:35:22,040 --> 03:35:24,479 a moment, brother, I'm good, dude, we got this. I'm 2764 03:35:24,520 --> 03:35:30,760 I'm here, dude. Ooof yes, yes, hoof, hoof, hoof 2765 03:35:31,159 --> 03:35:37,280 everybody, hoof, hoof, Paul Cogan hoof. Brother. Alright, alright, 2766 03:35:37,319 --> 03:35:41,319 alright, alright, alright, uh, roll camera, sound, camera, 2767 03:35:43,280 --> 03:35:50,520 everybody, settle, deep breath and action. Fucking a l comed extrade, 2768 03:35:56,120 --> 03:35:58,920 he says, hold on, let me make sure I get this right. 2769 03:36:03,440 --> 03:36:11,559 He says after action, after being warned about swearing before, he says, 2770 03:36:13,040 --> 03:36:30,719 right off the bat, fucking a holkamaniacs du tnh. It is total. 2771 03:36:30,760 --> 03:36:35,639 Don't stop argan, Oh god no. As we go through the show, 2772 03:36:35,719 --> 03:36:39,440 we'll get to the point where he does a full retirement speech on impact 2773 03:36:39,479 --> 03:36:43,920 as part of Yes and I want you to listen closely to this next piece 2774 03:36:45,000 --> 03:36:50,200 of sound from his association with Body by Vie. This is a video where 2775 03:36:50,200 --> 03:36:52,520 he seems to be talking vibe. By the way, what is it? 2776 03:36:52,319 --> 03:36:58,000 Who's vibe? No, I didn't bother to look, don't care. Yeah, 2777 03:36:58,159 --> 03:37:03,719 yessum. But he's talking to what appeared to be two executives from the 2778 03:37:03,799 --> 03:37:07,559 company on a commercial shoot, and it's almost like it's like a documentary kind 2779 03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:11,959 of approach to it, where they're like eavesdropping on a conversation he's having. 2780 03:37:11,360 --> 03:37:15,920 And funnily enough, a lot of the phraseology he uses and talking to these 2781 03:37:15,959 --> 03:37:20,760 two executives is the same phraseology he uses in his on screen retirement promo on 2782 03:37:20,840 --> 03:37:26,559 impact of course, but um but Hogan Nutrition dot com was the place to 2783 03:37:26,600 --> 03:37:28,600 be back then. Here is uh, here's a little bit more sound of 2784 03:37:28,680 --> 03:37:31,799 him explained, this is what I like to think of. This is this 2785 03:37:31,959 --> 03:37:35,159 is twenty eleven Hulkogan, two thousand and ten, Hulkogan in his element, 2786 03:37:37,280 --> 03:37:39,760 trying to like, you know, give people the line of bullshit where they 2787 03:37:39,840 --> 03:37:43,719 just nod along and you know, genuflect because he's whole Coogan. But really 2788 03:37:45,000 --> 03:37:48,600 a word he's saying doesn't make any fucking sense, but he's basically what he's 2789 03:37:48,600 --> 03:37:52,639 trying to do. It's he's sort of trying to desperately lock down a seat 2790 03:37:52,680 --> 03:37:56,360 at the table with this company because he smells money here. And these these 2791 03:37:56,399 --> 03:38:00,440 guys are really tan, just like those doctors that convinced him to a laser 2792 03:38:00,479 --> 03:38:03,520 spine when he was down and out and he saw a tan young doctor and 2793 03:38:03,639 --> 03:38:07,920 that that that was so telling, wasn't it? In the deposition, Oh 2794 03:38:07,120 --> 03:38:13,120 my god, tan young tan doctor. He really said that as if it 2795 03:38:13,399 --> 03:38:18,159 was like a meaningful thing to him in terms of like a marker of quality 2796 03:38:18,520 --> 03:38:22,559 like that this person like he wants, like Hulk it's no surprise that he's 2797 03:38:22,600 --> 03:38:28,159 like tilting towards like scientology and stuff. He like he's taken by like this 2798 03:38:28,719 --> 03:38:33,239 really bright, sunny disposition kind of person, you know what I mean. 2799 03:38:33,840 --> 03:38:37,120 Yeah, it's like he wants nothing more than for somebody to just work him 2800 03:38:37,719 --> 03:38:43,079 into happiness. Yeah, and pretend just work worked happiness around him at all 2801 03:38:43,159 --> 03:38:48,920 times, you know, to hide the carney inside and h And I think 2802 03:38:50,000 --> 03:38:52,920 these two that he's talking to in this piece of sound fit that bill just 2803 03:38:52,040 --> 03:39:00,559 as well. Hit Hogan body by V Two all right to book. It's 2804 03:39:00,600 --> 03:39:03,920 the same thing I've said. I've made millions of dollars, but I've never 2805 03:39:03,000 --> 03:39:07,280 made it a million dollars. I mean, you know, you have to 2806 03:39:07,319 --> 03:39:11,840 work your ass off. You can't seven and answer really generate revenue. And 2807 03:39:11,319 --> 03:39:16,920 you know this is a place where you can change or refe because you know, 2808 03:39:16,159 --> 03:39:20,040 one doesn't you know, make it happy. But it makes sense easier 2809 03:39:20,559 --> 03:39:22,799 to you know, it makes it easier to move through what we have to 2810 03:39:22,879 --> 03:39:26,000 do. And this is a lot of long listening, put the time and 2811 03:39:26,159 --> 03:39:30,159 know you guys are doing you know that kind of tell you you guys better 2812 03:39:30,239 --> 03:39:31,920 than anybody. But yeah, this is one of those deals, man, 2813 03:39:33,000 --> 03:39:35,399 It's for real. I mean this everything has a run in life. You 2814 03:39:35,479 --> 03:39:39,879 know, some guys getting wrestling business like Stone Poles Teas and you have like 2815 03:39:39,959 --> 03:39:43,440 a four or five years run. You know I've had number a thirty year 2816 03:39:43,520 --> 03:39:46,600 run my top. Oh my god. Everything in life has a run. 2817 03:39:46,680 --> 03:39:50,440 It's gonna be married for six months, to be married for sixty years, 2818 03:39:50,959 --> 03:39:52,399 depends on how long you run. Is well, this company is gonna have 2819 03:39:52,440 --> 03:39:56,920 a run too. And the run can be ten years, run can be 2820 03:39:58,360 --> 03:40:13,760 hundreds of years. These guys for real. So that's that's right. It 2821 03:40:13,920 --> 03:40:16,760 cut him off. They're just like smiling at him, like is he gonna 2822 03:40:16,760 --> 03:40:20,799 stop with this thing that's taking We just want to stop talking. We just 2823 03:40:20,879 --> 03:40:24,200 want to make a quick payday off. You like right, you know right? 2824 03:40:24,520 --> 03:40:26,559 You know what I mean. He doesn't understand what he's being used. 2825 03:40:26,639 --> 03:40:30,959 He always thinks he's being brought in in partnership. It's like, no, 2826 03:40:31,120 --> 03:40:33,440 no, I just want you to dress up and you know, do your 2827 03:40:33,520 --> 03:40:35,879 thing, and you know what we can do. Brother, I got some 2828 03:40:37,040 --> 03:40:43,680 ideas, ok, I got ideas. We shoot first. Brother, I 2829 03:40:43,799 --> 03:40:46,559 knowed you, but you know what I want to talk about because idea is 2830 03:40:46,879 --> 03:40:48,280 kind of how we're gonna move this thing forward. Brother. You know, 2831 03:40:48,360 --> 03:40:52,079 I'm thinking, you know, Body by Bye, we could take this to 2832 03:40:52,159 --> 03:40:56,920 the next level. Dude. We got yeah, we got you think about 2833 03:40:56,920 --> 03:40:58,840 it in terms of of of you know, where where are we going with 2834 03:41:00,079 --> 03:41:01,360 this? Brother? You know, what's kind of the endgame? Dude? 2835 03:41:01,760 --> 03:41:05,719 You know, and I gotta think. I think that Body by Vye could 2836 03:41:05,799 --> 03:41:09,280 be that next big thing, brother in terms of you know, in terms 2837 03:41:09,319 --> 03:41:13,479 of of wellness, fitness, the whole thing. Brother. So I want 2838 03:41:13,479 --> 03:41:15,680 to, you know, I just want to sit down and kind of and 2839 03:41:16,040 --> 03:41:20,040 kind of like run some things by you because I think I think you know, 2840 03:41:20,079 --> 03:41:22,840 I don't I don't want to put myself you know, I don't want 2841 03:41:22,840 --> 03:41:24,280 to. I don't want to be too forward about this. But what I'm 2842 03:41:24,319 --> 03:41:26,440 thinking is, I think would be I could be a little bit more than 2843 03:41:26,479 --> 03:41:30,639 just a spokesperson, you know, I could I could be a partner in 2844 03:41:30,719 --> 03:41:33,799 this, brother, and kind and kind of help you guys take things, 2845 03:41:33,239 --> 03:41:37,479 you know, because I understand dude, you know, you guys have the 2846 03:41:37,600 --> 03:41:39,360 product, brother, But I'm whole Coogan and I could you know, I 2847 03:41:39,399 --> 03:41:43,879 got that kind of that notoriety, you know, I got that street cred 2848 03:41:43,000 --> 03:41:46,000 brother, you know, I'm always working on that street crizzle. So I 2849 03:41:46,079 --> 03:41:48,239 think, you know, we could kind of get that together, brother, 2850 03:41:48,680 --> 03:41:52,000 and you and I, you know, we could kind of put things down, 2851 03:41:52,159 --> 03:41:54,239 dude, and and and and take things up. Brother. So I 2852 03:41:54,319 --> 03:41:58,120 just want to talk turkey. Did you say put things down and take things 2853 03:41:58,239 --> 03:42:01,280 up? Because you just said back to back? How can both be true? 2854 03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:09,920 Why do you think he mentioned Stone Cold only had a four year to 2855 03:42:11,000 --> 03:42:13,680 run like that because because he had a thirty Because I'm gonna have a thirty 2856 03:42:13,719 --> 03:42:18,120 year run still going. Come on, It makes it sound like he's gonna 2857 03:42:18,680 --> 03:42:20,479 You know, you got these guys you go on. You know, you 2858 03:42:20,559 --> 03:42:24,479 got guys like like Stone Cold, brother, or you get guys like The 2859 03:42:24,559 --> 03:42:26,639 Rock Dude. You kind of have these great you know, wrestling careers that 2860 03:42:26,799 --> 03:42:31,520 work five years. You know, everybody has Brother, Everyone's gonna run, 2861 03:42:31,639 --> 03:42:33,639 dude. You know everyone's had bad time, you know, whole Coogan. 2862 03:42:33,639 --> 03:42:37,159 I'm still doing my run, brother, over thirty years, brother, working 2863 03:42:37,239 --> 03:42:41,920 that working that main event circuit, dude. And that's the kind of stuffing 2864 03:42:41,920 --> 03:42:45,479 that I can bring to body by vine brother, you know, and again 2865 03:42:45,639 --> 03:42:50,000 God helping you guys take it to that next level change you know this can 2866 03:42:50,079 --> 03:42:52,879 change your life. I mean, brother, this can change your life, 2867 03:42:52,959 --> 03:42:56,280 dude, and I can help change many more people's lives with this. Brother, 2868 03:42:58,159 --> 03:43:01,000 I just used you to sign this paper, whether it's going to seal 2869 03:43:01,040 --> 03:43:05,200 the deal with you sign that. I just gonna sign this paper, brother 2870 03:43:05,600 --> 03:43:11,760 saying that I own body bye bye. Just sign that, brother. Oh, 2871 03:43:11,840 --> 03:43:13,200 it just says I own body, bye bye and crayon, So I'm 2872 03:43:13,239 --> 03:43:20,200 not too worried about it. I'll sign it, and uh the sader maybe 2873 03:43:20,280 --> 03:43:26,520 a documentary that doesn't even doesn't even say Hull Cogan. It says I I 2874 03:43:26,760 --> 03:43:33,440 own body, bye bye. Could be anybody change his name to I body 2875 03:43:33,520 --> 03:43:39,000 by I what I Hogan? What did you? Brother? I hope people 2876 03:43:39,120 --> 03:43:43,639 realize by now at this point of the journey that what we have done is 2877 03:43:43,680 --> 03:43:48,520 taken the whole Cogan brother, which was always said, you know it, 2878 03:43:48,639 --> 03:43:56,399 always mocked and always yes lampooned as a brother period, and we've permanently changed 2879 03:43:56,440 --> 03:44:03,600 it to brother question mark. Yeah. And just the profound change you get 2880 03:44:03,760 --> 03:44:09,079 between the period and question mark absolutely and all that entails. I think I 2881 03:44:09,120 --> 03:44:11,879 don't know. I may I suggest a brother question mark T shirt boss bang, 2882 03:44:13,040 --> 03:44:15,440 you know, not a bad idea. I think that's the most powerful 2883 03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:20,600 thing we've achieved over the course of this journey. The Sadermania documentary comes out. 2884 03:44:20,600 --> 03:44:22,959 Of course, Chris Sader is known as the ultimate hulkamaniac. I think 2885 03:44:22,959 --> 03:44:24,440 he lives in Illinois. He's got like a big shrine Hulk in his house 2886 03:44:24,520 --> 03:44:30,559 and has the most merchandise and the collectibles and all that shit. There did 2887 03:44:30,600 --> 03:44:33,079 a documentary that came out in twenty eleven as well about how big of a 2888 03:44:33,159 --> 03:44:39,360 fan he was, so Hulk popping up in light both favorable and unfavorable, 2889 03:44:39,440 --> 03:44:45,360 in flattering and unflattering in the mainstream, but certainly nary a mention of total 2890 03:44:45,440 --> 03:44:48,440 NonStop action wrestling all the way through here in twenty eleven, and one last 2891 03:44:48,520 --> 03:44:54,879 indignity before we dive into the chronology of matches and Impact segments that we're going 2892 03:44:54,959 --> 03:45:00,600 to be taking a look at to better understand the You know, the first 2893 03:45:00,680 --> 03:45:03,479 three quarters of twenty eleven for Hulkogan is on the T and A website. 2894 03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:09,479 Just as they were promoting the episode of Impact where Hulkogan was to give his 2895 03:45:09,600 --> 03:45:13,479 retirement speech in the middle of the ring, which of course turned out to 2896 03:45:13,559 --> 03:45:16,479 be a total work to turn him heel and build the Sting match. There's 2897 03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:22,079 another banner on the same website promoting Bound for Glory Hogan versus Sting. Oh 2898 03:45:22,239 --> 03:45:24,440 my god, are you serious? And in another page from the book, 2899 03:45:24,520 --> 03:45:28,639 boss of Hogan's getting mainstream attention and never mentioning T and A even though they 2900 03:45:28,719 --> 03:45:39,639 pay him two million dollars file Guess What? Massive Network Television primetime game style 2901 03:45:39,040 --> 03:45:43,479 reality show Hulk. Coogan made an appearance on right around the time he learned 2902 03:45:43,840 --> 03:45:48,520 to impact in March of twenty eleven. I was he on. I feel 2903 03:45:48,520 --> 03:45:58,440 like I wouldn't know this tonight is the nation has spoken and both of you 2904 03:45:58,600 --> 03:46:03,440 guys are not safe tonight? Brother brother what? What? What do you? 2905 03:46:03,920 --> 03:46:09,239 What? Are you not safe? Dude? What I mean? You're 2906 03:46:09,600 --> 03:46:39,520 really not safe? To night? Brother what? And they're a brother from 2907 03:46:39,559 --> 03:46:52,040 there? You know something, guys, I've got some really really good news 2908 03:46:52,559 --> 03:46:56,840 and I've got some really really bad news. The good news is both of 2909 03:46:56,920 --> 03:47:09,319 you guys are safe, Oh my god, and both of these guys are 2910 03:47:09,399 --> 03:47:20,319 going on tour. Brother what? And the bad news is you, mister 2911 03:47:20,479 --> 03:47:50,719 Ryan Seacrest, You're not safe? And this this is to merchant no what 2912 03:47:50,840 --> 03:47:54,000 the fuck's he doing on that? I had no clue actually on that. 2913 03:47:54,200 --> 03:47:56,680 They I don't know. I mean, it seems like the two finalists are 2914 03:47:56,719 --> 03:47:58,879 on stage, the curtain goes up, Hogan's doing the pose. Everyone pop, 2915 03:48:00,239 --> 03:48:03,920 he comes out, he tears the shirt and then he gives Ryan Seacrest 2916 03:48:03,200 --> 03:48:07,719 a phantom right hand like he gives you know, mister Anderson a right hand 2917 03:48:07,799 --> 03:48:11,719 on Spike and Seacrest goes flying off the stage into a bunch of people there 2918 03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:16,520 to catch him. Because it's real, but it's the most phantom, like 2919 03:48:16,760 --> 03:48:22,559 totally exposed the business cell job uh no crank Aruski for uh for Ryan Seacrest. 2920 03:48:22,600 --> 03:48:26,200 How seacrested mouth off to him about how it's fake and Indian. I 2921 03:48:26,280 --> 03:48:31,079 can you imagine Seacrest was a willing participant, and you know, all of 2922 03:48:31,120 --> 03:48:35,600 a sudden, fucking Seacrest, I'll you get him in there fucking headlock and 2923 03:48:35,639 --> 03:48:37,239 he's out. But I believe Hogan's back was to the stage the whole time 2924 03:48:37,280 --> 03:48:41,159 though, damn right, brother, you're not safe. Give me a break, 2925 03:48:41,200 --> 03:48:45,040 brother, What I mean those were anxious You guys are safe, brother, 2926 03:48:45,120 --> 03:48:48,479 But I'm not safe, dude, So what why I'm why am I 2927 03:48:48,559 --> 03:48:54,319 not safe, brother, of course, tell me I'm not safe all premium 2928 03:48:54,840 --> 03:48:58,760 inventory that hull Copen was occupying his in twenty eleven. I think we've already 2929 03:48:58,799 --> 03:49:03,280 established that. But what's one more, right, boss? Hey, that's 2930 03:49:03,479 --> 03:49:07,959 that's that's the truth. I mean more that stain might be a problem. 2931 03:49:13,799 --> 03:49:20,440 Who hi, hule Cogan here, that shirt has been ruin, but not 2932 03:49:20,680 --> 03:49:24,639 with our magic. Use it bull string or dissolved in water and shine on. 2933 03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:28,360 It removes even the toughest stains. It's even safe on little hands. 2934 03:49:28,639 --> 03:49:33,280 It's tough enough to get the tough stains out, but gentle enough for any 2935 03:49:33,399 --> 03:49:39,360 surface with other blood, iodine, burnt on mess or even russ pal Magic 2936 03:49:39,479 --> 03:49:45,040 dissolves those stains away. It's activated by water. Micky's window curtains go from 2937 03:49:45,200 --> 03:49:48,719 dull and dirty too bright and white. Just that easy. Use it with 2938 03:49:48,799 --> 03:49:52,200 a shamination to clean up bullstry, make your metals shine and get that dirt 2939 03:49:52,239 --> 03:49:58,639 out of your grout. Magic uses tiny volcanic microparticles that breaks and tough grime 2940 03:49:58,719 --> 03:50:03,319 and oily messes. Magic puts the power of pummis in the palm of your 2941 03:50:03,399 --> 03:50:11,600 hand. What are you gonna do? Filthy stains? Oh my God on 2942 03:50:11,799 --> 03:50:15,440 the power of the pummice. You're talking about cleans you up? Brother? 2943 03:50:16,760 --> 03:50:20,959 You talk about two sides, I mean power of the pummice, I mean 2944 03:50:22,799 --> 03:50:26,799 power can your hands go quick enough to pro wrestling teas dot com upload function? 2945 03:50:28,399 --> 03:50:31,200 Talk about two sides of the spectrum, and I'm not gonna say which 2946 03:50:31,280 --> 03:50:41,120 spectrum? Hulk Hope, oh man? I mean by twenty eleven, what 2947 03:50:41,280 --> 03:50:46,319 a goof the most successful wrestler of all time is an infomercial as seen on 2948 03:50:46,440 --> 03:50:52,680 television? Uh performer for higher Yeah, I mean, what's the problem. 2949 03:50:52,120 --> 03:50:56,079 I mean, I know that we know that that's the way it goes. 2950 03:50:56,239 --> 03:51:00,159 Brother. He also found the lawsuit in twenty eleven against Southland Imports in the 2951 03:51:00,239 --> 03:51:03,280 sun Trup Automotive Group out of Saint Louis, claiming they were stealing his catchphrases 2952 03:51:03,280 --> 03:51:07,079 in a TV commercial. Oh shit, here we go the commercials we're using 2953 03:51:07,120 --> 03:51:11,760 wrest on lingal like body slamming, bad brothers, tired of wrestling for good 2954 03:51:11,840 --> 03:51:18,440 deals, complaining they imitated his voice in catchphrases such as brother calling biceps guns. 2955 03:51:20,079 --> 03:51:22,120 I don't think they said pull the nose up on this thing, though. 2956 03:51:22,280 --> 03:51:24,239 I mean, I mean, there are a lot of people who call 2957 03:51:24,319 --> 03:51:28,479 biceps guns, not just Haul Cogan, like, there are a lot of 2958 03:51:28,520 --> 03:51:31,959 people who do well. Before you get too far defending this auto group, 2959 03:51:31,000 --> 03:51:35,040 they did call the audience hulkamaniacs, and all right, well there you go. 2960 03:51:35,159 --> 03:51:39,159 That's conferring with the holster um. But yeah, so that's just he 2961 03:51:39,319 --> 03:51:45,920 just he is and make fourteen burners going. He's gotta fucking make a buck. 2962 03:51:45,959 --> 03:51:48,399 He's gotta make back that money. You know, he's he's got a 2963 03:51:48,479 --> 03:51:52,600 lifestyle that he was comfortable with and it's been taken away from him because of 2964 03:51:52,680 --> 03:52:00,440 that. That that that that fucking Jezebel Linda. It's absolutely phenomenal and it's 2965 03:52:00,440 --> 03:52:03,440 an absolutely essential part of the Hulk Hogan story. I mean, you can 2966 03:52:03,479 --> 03:52:07,280 talk all you want about his glory days, but if you don't understand twenty 2967 03:52:07,319 --> 03:52:09,879 ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, it's what it all comes down to 2968 03:52:11,040 --> 03:52:13,799 that matter. It's true. It's true, absolutely totally, because you know 2969 03:52:13,879 --> 03:52:18,840 what it's everyone, you know, everyone in their life has a glory period. 2970 03:52:18,879 --> 03:52:20,680 It's where you end up. Everyone has a run, like he said, 2971 03:52:20,920 --> 03:52:26,680 yeah, and so everyone has a run. It's also the problem is 2972 03:52:26,799 --> 03:52:31,680 he's still running some flame wars with the wrestling community. Still, there was 2973 03:52:31,719 --> 03:52:35,479 a Twitter war in March, around the time he returned to TNA between himself 2974 03:52:35,479 --> 03:52:39,120 and Bret Hart. This is beckwhen Twitter was still novel enough that people didn't 2975 03:52:39,120 --> 03:52:43,319 really have like an etiquette down yet. It was like people kind of thought 2976 03:52:43,360 --> 03:52:46,120 of it almost as public, but somehow private messages. People hadn't right, 2977 03:52:46,440 --> 03:52:52,319 you know, fully comprehended the degree to which Twitter spats could really get out 2978 03:52:52,360 --> 03:52:56,200 of control and become a shoot and Brett on Twitter said Hogan's nothing but a 2979 03:52:56,239 --> 03:53:01,319 two face, backstabbing steroid freak who deserved everything he got. Hogan came back 2980 03:53:01,440 --> 03:53:05,399 with, you know, listen to where Brett speaking from. He's done everything 2981 03:53:05,440 --> 03:53:07,799 he's saying I did, which is the most hosterism ever. Oh my god, 2982 03:53:07,840 --> 03:53:09,799 what about you, dude? Dude? I mean brother, you know, 2983 03:53:09,920 --> 03:53:11,799 if we're talking, I mean, if we're gonna talk, turkey, 2984 03:53:11,879 --> 03:53:15,840 dude, you know, why don't we you know, you're talking about stuff. 2985 03:53:15,840 --> 03:53:18,639 Why aren't you saying this stuff about yourself? Dude? Heart responded to 2986 03:53:18,719 --> 03:53:20,520 Hogan when he said you've done everything I did? You know what he wrote? 2987 03:53:22,040 --> 03:53:24,280 Oh god, that's not what John Grazzi, I know thinks dick head 2988 03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:33,719 oh Man twenty. I mean Goodford, you know, I mean I think 2989 03:53:33,760 --> 03:53:37,559 they're there. Well, I don't like good for you, Brett, but 2990 03:53:37,159 --> 03:53:41,040 I think he could have. You know, I appreciate the standing up for 2991 03:53:41,319 --> 03:53:45,159 the bullshit, but you know, we're standing up against the bullshit. But 2992 03:53:45,319 --> 03:53:48,920 you know, I think they could have think it of You know, that 2993 03:53:48,040 --> 03:53:52,680 was a low blow. Brother Hogan comes back and talks about negative losers that 2994 03:53:52,719 --> 03:53:54,719 are so better because their own lives are going nowhere. I feel so bad 2995 03:53:54,799 --> 03:53:58,239 for them. I mean, how about one more for the road? Brett 2996 03:53:58,280 --> 03:54:09,159 felt that way about after reading a laser spine deposition, and then he because 2997 03:54:09,200 --> 03:54:11,520 it's all Cogan. It's not enough just to have a war of rhetoric. 2998 03:54:11,600 --> 03:54:18,719 You have to fabricate timetables too to make your point. A lot of times 2999 03:54:18,760 --> 03:54:22,920 I feel like the wrestler brain, trickly Hogan's brain, to some degree Russo's 3000 03:54:22,959 --> 03:54:26,920 brain. They work like this, like, when do I ever feel in 3001 03:54:26,000 --> 03:54:33,600 my life that I've done a partial kindness to me? And how can I 3002 03:54:33,760 --> 03:54:37,719 sort of retrofit that kindness I vaguely remember doing for them as something that was 3003 03:54:37,959 --> 03:54:41,920 a completely pivotal moment in our relationship and something that you'll remember be forgotten. 3004 03:54:43,479 --> 03:54:46,040 And if Hogan's having trouble remembering a kindness he did for Brett Hart, he'll 3005 03:54:46,079 --> 03:54:50,479 just make one up, right, How about this one? Hogan goes on 3006 03:54:50,600 --> 03:54:56,680 to say in this back and forth, when asked when y w stub you 3007 03:54:56,799 --> 03:55:01,200 never did Hogan versus Brett in a big pay per view match? Quote he 3008 03:55:01,360 --> 03:55:09,520 was coming off a stroke. Oh well, I assume they were talking, 3009 03:55:11,280 --> 03:55:15,639 you know, two thousand and two. Brother, Yeah, after Deb's went 3010 03:55:15,719 --> 03:55:22,479 under. Yeah, what I mean? He was coming off a stroke and 3011 03:55:22,559 --> 03:55:24,920 we were all concerned about his health. We had some house show match. 3012 03:55:26,280 --> 03:55:30,399 Brother even stayed at my house. My kids love him, dude, I 3013 03:55:30,479 --> 03:55:35,600 mean, fuck brother? What what now? Would those kids include Nick Teeney, 3014 03:55:35,000 --> 03:55:43,040 Hulk Star, would include Nico? Nah? Yeah, I think blade 3015 03:55:43,120 --> 03:55:46,760 grabbed? You know brook Teeny's tits brother? Sure? Hold, you didn't 3016 03:55:46,760 --> 03:55:52,360 grab the blade before going out to the rain? Brother? What? What? 3017 03:55:52,799 --> 03:55:56,760 What is huvant comment with bred Hart? They both bring blade to the 3018 03:55:56,840 --> 03:56:07,559 arena just in case I had my blades? Brother? Oh yeah, tell 3019 03:56:07,600 --> 03:56:09,760 me more, Terry. Any other things you didn't have that you say you 3020 03:56:09,840 --> 03:56:15,079 had? I what? I know that one was a little too on the 3021 03:56:15,200 --> 03:56:20,360 nose those. But speaking of Nick, I mean we talked earlier about how 3022 03:56:20,399 --> 03:56:24,280 we'd now been sprung from jails on probation, living with his near his mom 3023 03:56:24,319 --> 03:56:28,319 in Los Angeles, got a driver's license again. And he's also been engaged 3024 03:56:28,399 --> 03:56:31,159 at at age twenty, according to jamz Wow, to a woman by the 3025 03:56:31,239 --> 03:56:35,840 name of Brianna Tesse, and I apologize if I'm mispronouncing that name. Around 3026 03:56:35,959 --> 03:56:39,159 May, reports hit the gossip sites that the two are an item or at 3027 03:56:39,239 --> 03:56:46,280 least on the road to being wed. Didn't go down that way because Brie 3028 03:56:46,399 --> 03:56:54,479 ends up Brianna ends up surfacing again later as one of Nick Cannon's many baby 3029 03:56:54,559 --> 03:57:01,280 MAMASO damn right, so damn right. I think it was just last year. 3030 03:57:01,440 --> 03:57:05,040 I think that she took to Instagram to announce that Nick Cannon had finished 3031 03:57:05,079 --> 03:57:13,879 inside of her and so, um what so nicktine and getting around fake engagement 3032 03:57:13,040 --> 03:57:18,000 to uh infamy. So he's just going down the right path, isn't he. 3033 03:57:18,040 --> 03:57:22,399 Boss. He really came out swinging. Oh man, what a fucking 3034 03:57:22,639 --> 03:57:28,239 goofball. And there's something perhaps with even more gravity to the Hulkster, if 3035 03:57:28,280 --> 03:57:31,920 you can believe it. After all, we've delineated here that happens to him 3036 03:57:31,280 --> 03:57:35,879 in calendar year two thousand and eleven, and it also occurs in May. 3037 03:57:35,079 --> 03:57:39,319 On May twentieth eleven, Macho Man Randy Savage passed away, Oh yeah, 3038 03:57:39,799 --> 03:57:45,280 as a result of that vicious car crash in Seminole, Florida, later attributed 3039 03:57:45,319 --> 03:57:48,479 to a heart attack due to heart disease that he suffered behind the wheel. 3040 03:57:48,520 --> 03:57:54,879 And it was very uh, it was interesting. We've heard many times going 3041 03:57:54,920 --> 03:57:58,040 through this TNA shows Boss when Hogan, you know, was doing backstage skits 3042 03:57:58,079 --> 03:58:00,799 and he'll just shout out the Macho Man for no reason, right right, 3043 03:58:01,040 --> 03:58:03,840 Oh yeah, totally. I'll say, like you know, like the Mancho 3044 03:58:03,879 --> 03:58:05,000 Man used to say, and it's kind of weird. It's like, what's 3045 03:58:05,040 --> 03:58:09,040 he doing here? You know? Does he has he reconciled with Savage? 3046 03:58:09,120 --> 03:58:13,479 Is he? Is this what whole Coogan would consider an olive branch to the 3047 03:58:13,559 --> 03:58:18,200 Mancho Man, had they reconciled, he would wait until Savage was dead to 3048 03:58:18,319 --> 03:58:22,120 say that they in fact had, of course, or at least as far 3049 03:58:22,200 --> 03:58:24,760 as I can tell, he never I would wait until he was dead too 3050 03:58:24,799 --> 03:58:28,360 before I say it. I can tell he never spun this yarn about meeting 3051 03:58:28,440 --> 03:58:31,959 up with Savage at a doctor's office by chance, and hitting it off again 3052 03:58:33,079 --> 03:58:37,200 until after Randy Savage had passed away. Wow, but that was the story 3053 03:58:37,239 --> 03:58:39,879 that he ran into him at a doctor's office and they had a conversation and 3054 03:58:39,239 --> 03:58:43,399 Savage invited him to a barbecue or something like that, and of course Hogan 3055 03:58:43,760 --> 03:58:46,639 never went. But that's according to other parties who you may ask, well, 3056 03:58:46,879 --> 03:58:50,719 barbecue did? What do you mean if you thought that the arrows that 3057 03:58:50,840 --> 03:58:56,600 the Hoaxter was taking from every conceivable direction had all been accounted for by this 3058 03:58:56,760 --> 03:59:03,639 part of our TNH journey, you were forgetting about one very very significant agitator 3059 03:59:03,319 --> 03:59:09,120 as it regards the Hulkster, who emerged hard as he ever would be. 3060 03:59:09,479 --> 03:59:13,280 I mean nothing. The only thing harder is the sound of his face slapping 3061 03:59:13,319 --> 03:59:16,559 the concrete and Phoenix when he dropped dead after the Hall of Fame. The 3062 03:59:16,680 --> 03:59:22,000 Ultimate Warrior life is pain. Do you remember when Warrior suddenly just started releasing 3063 03:59:22,040 --> 03:59:28,159 a series of YouTube videos talking about all of Hulk's indiscretions vaguely? I do, 3064 03:59:28,440 --> 03:59:33,040 Yeah, so's twenty eleven. Oh my god, All of a sudden, 3065 03:59:33,079 --> 03:59:37,719 Warrior has had enough, and to hear him tell it in these videos, 3066 03:59:37,799 --> 03:59:43,559 the final straw was the representations that Hogan was making about Randy Savage and 3067 03:59:43,040 --> 03:59:48,120 the state of their relationship after he passed away. So, Warrior, you 3068 03:59:48,200 --> 03:59:50,879 know, he promises a lot more than he delivers. You know how that 3069 03:59:50,959 --> 03:59:54,840 goes in wrestling, of course. You know, watch my next video and 3070 03:59:54,159 --> 03:59:58,639 we'll give you the whole story and then it's like twenty minutes with maybe three 3071 03:59:58,680 --> 04:00:03,079 and a half seconds of actual world new revelations. But uh I put together 3072 04:00:03,200 --> 04:00:07,000 Ah, I guess what they call in the industry a sizzle real boss, 3073 04:00:07,079 --> 04:00:09,680 all right, give it to me. Yeah, this is um the bombshells 3074 04:00:09,719 --> 04:00:15,000 that Warrior Jim Helwig formerly Jim Helwig was sort of telling himself he was dropping 3075 04:00:15,040 --> 04:00:18,719 on the world as everyone piles on Hulk Hogan in two thousand and ten and 3076 04:00:18,799 --> 04:00:20,600 two thousand and eleven. It's open season. You know, Linda's out there 3077 04:00:20,639 --> 04:00:24,639 with the book. As we talked about, Um, he's suing everybody, 3078 04:00:24,719 --> 04:00:28,159 He's being sued. Um, it's all, it's all just part of the 3079 04:00:28,920 --> 04:00:33,399 the TNH experience. And now absolutely give it give it to me. I 3080 04:00:33,440 --> 04:00:35,479 mean, do you think do you think he has anything to say about wife 3081 04:00:35,479 --> 04:00:39,079 swapping? Uh? Yeah, do you think he has anything to say about 3082 04:00:39,079 --> 04:00:43,799 the gimmicks in the Fannie Pack. Yes, let's fucking go, Warrior rest 3083 04:00:43,879 --> 04:00:50,360 in peace. You know, until last week, it never crossed my mind 3084 04:00:50,399 --> 04:00:52,319 that I wanted to spend the time or make the effort to say what I'm 3085 04:00:52,319 --> 04:00:58,280 going to say here today. And the main reason is, although I knew 3086 04:00:58,399 --> 04:01:01,239 Terry had really messed up as why and was continuing to mess it up in 3087 04:01:01,319 --> 04:01:09,319 a really bad way. I have been delightfully That's the great that's a great 3088 04:01:09,360 --> 04:01:13,399 word to use. I've been delightfully caught up in the beauty and wonder of 3089 04:01:13,520 --> 04:01:18,719 my own life. And I built that life up without having to depend on 3090 04:01:18,840 --> 04:01:24,879 paying attention to wrestling, without having to involve myself in wrestling, without paying 3091 04:01:24,920 --> 04:01:28,479 attention to what's going on in the lives of the talent, and especially what's 3092 04:01:28,520 --> 04:01:31,559 for running the messed up life of Terry Ballet. I mean, I really 3093 04:01:31,639 --> 04:01:35,760 just didn't care. I didn't give a rat's ass how far down the whole 3094 04:01:35,879 --> 04:01:39,200 his life was going, oh wow, or what it meant to other people 3095 04:01:41,559 --> 04:01:46,159 his behavior in the last few years. Then Randy died, he had his 3096 04:01:46,239 --> 04:01:50,879 accident, and he passed away, and I read some things. I saw 3097 04:01:50,040 --> 04:01:56,440 some things I heard some things. I did a lot of thinking, like 3098 04:01:56,520 --> 04:02:00,040 I talked about in the tribute, Did you think something soon realized? And 3099 04:02:00,120 --> 04:02:03,680 I just I couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer about this about some things 3100 04:02:03,719 --> 04:02:07,079 that I've been seeing that I needed to speak up. I just couldn't stay 3101 04:02:07,159 --> 04:02:13,159 silent. And if not so much for me, because I've made my life 3102 04:02:13,360 --> 04:02:18,360 work outside the sick and selfish world that Terry Ballet is still operates it in. 3103 04:02:18,680 --> 04:02:26,239 Wow, he's on fire. I know you who who what? And 3104 04:02:26,440 --> 04:02:30,000 you know I know you. You know that I know the real you. 3105 04:02:30,840 --> 04:02:35,559 You know what. I know that when you think about the wrestling world in 3106 04:02:35,719 --> 04:02:41,639 your mind, there was only room for Terry Bala and nobody else. You 3107 04:02:41,799 --> 04:02:46,799 know that. I know what kind of malicious and backstabbing operator you are. 3108 04:02:46,799 --> 04:02:52,520 You have a long running reputation for being a liar and a fraud and a 3109 04:02:52,639 --> 04:02:58,159 phony. There are days, Terry, where you do do nothing but sit 3110 04:02:58,239 --> 04:03:05,079 around and or cocaine. Take the kind of vitamins you take, the kind 3111 04:03:05,120 --> 04:03:09,239 of vitamins that you take, Terry, you need to have a prescription brother, 3112 04:03:11,399 --> 04:03:13,799 gimmick bag you wear around your waist that you're never without. That's where 3113 04:03:13,840 --> 04:03:18,120 you carry all your gimmicks so you can stay high all day. Let's get 3114 04:03:18,920 --> 04:03:30,600 keep in mind. Wow, like that you and Linda had an open marriage. 3115 04:03:31,000 --> 04:03:33,719 Brother, you were both hors that did slototy stuff on your side. 3116 04:03:35,319 --> 04:03:37,600 Neither one of you had a problem with the other one getting thrills on the 3117 04:03:37,719 --> 04:03:43,040 side. Yes, in fact, Terry, you tried to get me to 3118 04:03:43,079 --> 04:03:48,079 sample those thrills. And I bet I'm the same time that ever said no 3119 04:03:48,239 --> 04:03:58,120 to doing your wife dirty laundry. Terry paranoid and fearful of other guys getting 3120 04:03:58,159 --> 04:04:03,440 over, but you hated confrontation. You always to say, I hold my 3121 04:04:03,600 --> 04:04:11,840 enemy's close. Brother, the do rag I mean, you're still wearing the 3122 04:04:11,920 --> 04:04:16,159 dou rag Man, You're almost sixty years old, still doing the gimmick, 3123 04:04:16,200 --> 04:04:20,000 wearing the fifty cent sunglasses you buy down on Venness Beach by the dozen. 3124 04:04:20,319 --> 04:04:28,559 Wow, he's going in? Yeah, that get in talking? Was it 3125 04:04:28,680 --> 04:04:35,799 worth it to speed your ego, the gimmicks, ego, the GISs like 3126 04:04:35,879 --> 04:04:41,559 a clown And I've never need um any decorum? WHAT'SO all for? Professional 3127 04:04:41,680 --> 04:04:48,040 saying? Wow? To walk in and just start doing the gimmick? Brother, 3128 04:04:48,120 --> 04:04:58,799 exactly, your flap of extensions. Feel backs like those are extensions. 3129 04:05:00,040 --> 04:05:05,959 Man. Oh brother, he's laughing his ass off with his big white teeth. 3130 04:05:05,879 --> 04:05:11,600 I know, isn't a work? Life For most people isn't a work? 3131 04:05:11,680 --> 04:05:15,680 He said. They can't afford the serious damages that come at damage, 3132 04:05:15,760 --> 04:05:22,200 the stupid choices. You're a wealthy man, you can you can behave immaturely 3133 04:05:22,280 --> 04:05:24,959 and irresponsibly, and whatever price has to be paid, you can afford to 3134 04:05:26,040 --> 04:05:30,920 pay it. When you lose one multimillion dollar house, she just moved to 3135 04:05:30,959 --> 04:05:37,479 another multi billion dollar house. For as long as you can anyway. Huh. 3136 04:05:39,719 --> 04:05:43,000 Look, other people can't do that. I realistic records, dude, 3137 04:05:43,040 --> 04:05:46,959 brother, what do you mean you bet at the assessor's office? Did brother? 3138 04:05:48,920 --> 04:05:54,079 You can records? Brother? Do you give my records? By the 3139 04:05:54,200 --> 04:06:05,879 example you've set of how to fuck up a life? Oh? Is that 3140 04:06:07,120 --> 04:06:11,120 not why we do it? Oh? God, let's go, Warrior the 3141 04:06:11,520 --> 04:06:16,799 fuck as detestable as he'll go down as I mean, let's go. That's 3142 04:06:18,559 --> 04:06:22,000 I mean, listen, Yes he is detestable. He said a lot of 3143 04:06:22,120 --> 04:06:26,719 really fucked up things. But I'll tell you you know in terms of you 3144 04:06:26,760 --> 04:06:28,920 know, if you have, if you have the thick skin to withstand this 3145 04:06:30,040 --> 04:06:33,280 ship that he says, it's a it's a it's a it's a fucking comedy. 3146 04:06:33,520 --> 04:06:37,280 Fon, dude, do you expect such money quotes to come from an 3147 04:06:37,360 --> 04:06:43,600 upstanding You need a fucking bottom feeder within three years? No, it's it's 3148 04:06:43,639 --> 04:06:48,079 more than that. Sorry. Within uh, let's think here, when a 3149 04:06:48,200 --> 04:06:50,959 warrior get inducted fourteen? Yeah, three years. I was right. Three 3150 04:06:52,040 --> 04:06:54,680 years. They're acting like it's all under the bridge. How hard did he 3151 04:06:54,799 --> 04:06:58,319 just go in on Holgan? I mean he went he said things that you 3152 04:06:58,360 --> 04:07:03,159 don't come back from. But because they're both fucking phonies exactly. You know, 3153 04:07:03,440 --> 04:07:07,440 they they make up. You know when when when when the attention you 3154 04:07:07,520 --> 04:07:11,360 know comes, you know, they get an opportunity. Yeah, Hogan famously 3155 04:07:11,399 --> 04:07:15,399 sought him out backstage at the Hall of Fame and cameras. I don't know, 3156 04:07:15,680 --> 04:07:18,079 just happened to be rolling when they had a heart to heart about it. 3157 04:07:18,079 --> 04:07:20,639 If I ever said anything, brother, to upset you, I apologize. 3158 04:07:20,639 --> 04:07:22,600 I apologize to you. You know, brother, You're not a way 3159 04:07:22,639 --> 04:07:26,440 back dude, you know I you know, I was thinking about it, 3160 04:07:26,559 --> 04:07:28,879 brother, I mean, you know, you and I came up around the 3161 04:07:28,959 --> 04:07:31,040 same time. Brother, you know, and and and and you not. 3162 04:07:31,200 --> 04:07:35,719 You know, we both fed off each other. Brother. We got to 3163 04:07:35,760 --> 04:07:37,239 kind of think about it. You know, we always the thing about about 3164 04:07:37,360 --> 04:07:41,159 us, dude, is that we always took things that next level. Brother. 3165 04:07:41,559 --> 04:07:43,440 You know, every other guy around there, dude, you know they 3166 04:07:43,479 --> 04:07:46,079 did their thing, brother, but when you and I were there, you 3167 04:07:46,159 --> 04:07:48,760 know, things kinda taken up to the next notch dude. So you know, 3168 04:07:50,079 --> 04:07:52,360 I mean, that's something special that nobody else had. Brother. Do 3169 04:07:52,479 --> 04:07:56,120 you think when Warrior died, when Savage died, when Paul Horndorff died, 3170 04:07:56,200 --> 04:08:01,559 when others died, that h spoken of the Hulkster over the years and made 3171 04:08:01,639 --> 04:08:03,319 industry out of speaking ill of the Hulkster. Do you think Hulk kind of 3172 04:08:03,319 --> 04:08:05,879 sat down with kind of a grin on his face and said, that's karma, 3173 04:08:07,000 --> 04:08:09,520 dude, Look it's karma. Oh. Absolutely. With this John three 3174 04:08:09,600 --> 04:08:16,879 sixteen shirt on m just stroking stroking the fu, so stroking the fu, 3175 04:08:18,120 --> 04:08:20,159 I think we've made our point here in part one of our next episode here 3176 04:08:20,200 --> 04:08:24,639 of TNH end of twenty eleven was a banner year for the Hulkster. Jesus 3177 04:08:24,799 --> 04:08:28,639 Christ, and it's not just in the pages of newspapers and gossip rags and 3178 04:08:28,680 --> 04:08:33,879 websites, but it's also in the TNA wrestling to the fusion surgery, Hulk 3179 04:08:33,879 --> 04:08:37,719 Coogan is not only ready to step back into the Impact Zone and TNA tapings, 3180 04:08:39,000 --> 04:08:43,000 he is actually prepared to wrestle once again against sting At Bound for Glory. 3181 04:08:43,319 --> 04:08:48,280 Absolute fuck is going on here. An interview with the Monday Night Him 3182 04:08:48,399 --> 04:08:52,440 radio show in twenty eleven, he said, quote, if you would have 3183 04:08:52,479 --> 04:08:54,520 asked me two months ago, I would have said, no way. If 3184 04:08:54,520 --> 04:08:58,159 I could get six and a half months since the surgery under my belt, 3185 04:08:58,280 --> 04:09:01,920 I'd pretty much know the answer to that. If he can go again, 3186 04:09:01,639 --> 04:09:05,159 if I did land wrong or something, just don't know if all this hardware 3187 04:09:05,200 --> 04:09:09,879 and stuff would hold together. Ass you're ready to find out if the hardware 3188 04:09:09,920 --> 04:09:15,559 in fact holds together. Ah? Yes, I need to know if the 3189 04:09:15,639 --> 04:09:22,360 hardware holds together next time on TNH take the Journey through Impact As was received 3190 04:09:22,399 --> 04:09:26,280 by US fans all the way up until Hulk Coogan's match against sting It Bound 3191 04:09:26,319 --> 04:09:31,200 for Glory twenty eleven, the Hulkster yes were turned to the ring. It's t