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This episode may contain content of a
graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
and animals. Listener discretion is advised.

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Hi everyone, and I'm Talia and
I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes

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and Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. How

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are you today? I'm doing fantastic. I want to welcome everybody back to

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this week's episode of Crimes and Consequences. This is a story I didn't know

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about, and I don't think you
know about. No, it's saying Parker.

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It's a New Zealand case. Yeah
you don't. I didn't think they

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did bad things in news. I
no. Apparently apparently crime is everywhere.

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Before I start, because this one's
a doozy, I want to ask everybody

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hit whatever, but you got a
hit to listen to us more. Just

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let people know you like us.
I don't care how you do it.

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Just do it. Just talk to
a friend. So I told you this

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is about Pauline Parker. She's born
Pauline Reaper, Piper Yeah, and her

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friend Juliette Hume. So let me
start with Pauline. Okay, okay,

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Pauline was born in New Zealand to
her parents, Herbert and Hanora Reaper Pauline.

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She grew up in a blue collar, working class family, just this

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normal family. Her father was the
owner of a fish market we did wholesale,

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and her mother ran a boarding house. Herbert her dad, he was

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known as a very gentle soul.
He smoked his pipe, he was very

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small in stature, and he was
just like a nice guy. Hanora,

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she was a loving wife and mother, like there's nothing wrong with them.

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The two had four children together and
they had a common law marriage, so

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they weren't officially married. Yeah now
like, at least in the state of

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Michigan, they don't allow that,
but they had that, and I don't

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know how New Zealand works. But
their oldest child was Wendy. In essence,

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she was what a good daughter would
be back then. She didn't do

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anything wrong and they didn't really think
she could do anything wrong. She was

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just like a good you know,
she's a good kid. Yeah, just

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a little different than I was.
Then there was Wendy's little sister, Pauline.

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She was a troublemaker of this very
modest family and the family always worried

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since she was a little girl,
like, what is she going to grow

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up to be? That's not good. That's not good. There wasn't a

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lot of information about her other two
siblings, as they told you she was

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one of four, but it said
that one child was considered okay to be

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a drooling imbecile. That's not what
we would say this yeah, heart appropriate,

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that is yeah. And then I
think this child had severe mental disabilities

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and ended up being locked away in
a mental institution. But it's not all

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that clear. The youngest child died
shortly after being born. The baby had

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a congenital heart problem and basically was
I don't want to say born still born,

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still born, but was known to
the family as the blue baby.

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Oh that is so sad. When
Pauline was five years old, she got

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this bone infection she was diagnosed with
enforced to spend months in the hospital over

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a three year span, and she
had a lot of operations. I don't

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know exactly what the technical, scientific
medical term for a bone infection was,

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but I do know that she spent
a lot of time in the hospital,

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had a lot of operations. So
why all these other kids were outside laughing

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and playing with friends. She was
forced to spend all her time in a

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hospital bed. Wow, that had
to suck as a kid and watch the

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kids from outside the window. She
ended up walking with a limp for the

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rest of her life due to that
condition. Now I'm gonna talk to you

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about Juliette Hume. Unlike Pauline,
she was born in England to her parents,

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Henry and Hilda. She was born
into a very intellectual family and she

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was the daughter of well known,
highly celebrated physicist. His name was doctor

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Henry Rainsford Hume. He was one
of four people who worked on developing the

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first British hydrogen bomb. Oh kind
of like Appenheimer, Yes, right,

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she was thinking that, yeah,
which eventually would be used during World War

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Two. The Hume family was considered
wealthy, especially for those times. Her

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family moved to New Zealand in nineteen
forty eight and Juliette was hospit realized in

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nineteen fifty three for tuberculosis. She
was treated for four months and then discharged,

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but she would end up dealing with
the effects of that her whole life.

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Juliet's father chose to relocate his family
to christ Church, New Zealand after

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accepting a position as first Rector at
Canbury University College. This position was sort

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of the president of the college,
and he was ultimately responsible for running the

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whole college, the whole institute,
like it's a big deal. That's why

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he moved. Juliet grew up in
an entirely different world than Pauline did.

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She had horses, like I said, upper class family. Her mother was

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an aristocrat and immersed herself into the
culture of other aristocrats to keep up appearances.

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We're talking way more high class in
you and I exactly the kind of

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money. No, I'm not hanging
out a country club. Nope, No

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going to balls everyone. When I
was young, I was going to Kmart's

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kim close exactly together. Henry and
Hilda raised their two children, Juliet and

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her brother Jonathan, in a sixteen
bedroom stone mansion. Damn nice on tons

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of acres of land. Sixteen sixteen. Who cleans that house? Not missus,

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Hume, I'm sure of it.
What the hell do you probably stay

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off? Like what the okay?
I don't know, I'm not judging.

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Even though Juliette and Pauline were from
very different backgrounds, they clicked as soon

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as they met one another. Besides
their upbringings, the two girls were also

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opposite in their physical appearance. So
Pauline, she was very small in stature.

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She stood five foot three inches tall, which is my height. It's

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not that small. I don't like
I don't like being it's not small by

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four average. By four is average, which is a little tinier, dark

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hair, and a very very mean
temper. Oh. Juliette was very tall

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for age. She was described as
beautiful, had shoulder length, light brown

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hair. She was considered very pleasant, and she spoke with a British accent.

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Nice nice. Pauline was known to
have very dark, very cold eyes

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because she's me yeah exactly. Some
people described her as looking dead inside,

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and she was considered to look dumpy. Oh, but they quickly became friends

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like teenage girls do, I guess, well, she's I mean, think

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about it. Julietta is new and
that's true. So they became friends quickly.

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After the human family located to christ
Church. One of the things the

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two girls bonded over was their medical
conditions, and that makes sense since they

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both have struggled with our health.
They attended the same school, Christ Church

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Girls High School, and they quickly
got to know each other. They usually

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hung out in Jim class. Oh
I hated Jim class. I hated it.

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I hated it too. I hated
it. I liked dodge a ball

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though, Yeah, dadge ball was
fun. If you can dodge a wrench,

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you can dodge a ball. I
don't think they played dodgeball in schools

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anymore. No, probably not.
Anyway, since Juliet's father was a highly

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admired physicist, they could afford what
most families couldn't as already you know told

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you. Pauline spent most of her
time with Juliet at the Hume home,

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and one of the reasons was because
Juliette had her own pony. Nice Nice.

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Did you ever see that Seinfeld episode
which one where he talks about like

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who grows up with a pony?
I saw all of them. The lady

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was like, I had a pony. Well, she get saw upset.

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I didn't have a back in Europe
when she was a little girl. Yeah,

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okay, so she had a pony. Yeah. Pauline with her medical

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condition couldn't be is active, you
know if she had this limp as other

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girl's rage, So she would ride
Juliet's pony. And it made her feel

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about her. Yeah, on the
pony, Pauline's limp, it didn't have

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any effect on her when she's on
a saddle, right. And Pauline tried

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really hard to get her parents to
allow her to keep a pony, and

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she really wanted to be part of
the Horse and Pony club, but her

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parents were like, no, no, pony getting a pony. What her

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parents didn't know was that Pauline already
had a pony. She did she kept

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a hidden away. I can't believe
this. How do you hide a pony

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behind a padlock shed? And she
had it for weeks. I don't know

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how she got the goddamn pony.
I mean, like feeding it and just

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shoveling it shit, Like what is
she doing with it? She's hiding a

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pony. I don't know. I
don't I don't know. Man good for

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her, I guess I don't even
know how she got a pony. Where

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did she get it from? Well? I do know Pauline had purchased the

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pony with the advice of Juliette,
and nobody knows exactly where she got the

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money from. But I have a
feeling Juliette gave it to her exactly.

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This type of sneakiness was common with
Pauline. I mean that I feel like

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I know there was a pony there, but I might not. I don't

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know. She was known to sneak
out of her house into boy's bedrooms during

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the middle of the night. I
mean, oh, Pauline, you probably

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have before too. At least she
wanted to. At least I wanted to.

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Regardless her parents, they knew how
conniving their daughter was, which is

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why they became really worried when Pauline
became so preoccupied with Juliet. Eventually,

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her parents did find out about the
pony. Okay, but when they found

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out, they let her keep it
since she'd already it's so long, Well,

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okay, you can, I mean, doesn't it take I don't know,

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then, That's what I'm saying.
I mean, I've not a pony.

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I don't know the vet appointments from
my tiny yorkist. I'm thinking like

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it's eating a lot and shitting a
lot. I don't know anyway, the

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making doesn't a mcname sounds yeah,
I don't know. Let's just go it's

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a small, tiny pony. I
don't know pony would be cool. Yeah,

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all right, anyway, anyway,
we're digressing. They knew that if

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they didn't let her keep the pony, she would metaphorically burn the house to

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the ground. She'd be passed,
super passed, passed. They just didn't

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want to deal with it. Well, Pauline and Juliette's friendship seemed relatively innocent

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to the outside world. The girl's
bond got the very dark very quickly.

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They had very intense imaginations. Let's
just say. As they began to go

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closer and closer, they begin to
create this makeup world called the Fourth World.

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Okay. They even invented a religion
where they would appoint famous celebrities to

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be the saints of their religion.
Did they list any of them? Okay,

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it was like Orson Wells, James
Mason, and many other popular Yeah,

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some of the saints. I mean
it was back in the day where

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Orson Wells, James Mason there,
I don't know, randomly famous people we

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wouldn't know very much about now,
but back in that time, if they're

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hot, I don't know. Many
kids with wild imaginations have like imaginery friends.

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Okay, but they're getting a little
bit old. Yeah, So that

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and they had entire backstories. They
let their imagination run wild, and they

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get more and more immersed into this
fantasy world. Juliette and paul even wrote

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stories that were set in the fourth
world together, and that's okay. Yeah,

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they got nothing else going on,
right, there's no Internet, a

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lot of time on their hands.
They had the goal of becoming distinguished authors

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that would eventually get their stories published. Who knows. The friendship between Juliette

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and Pauline became more like an obsession
with one another. And although many friends

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do become obsessed with each other and
maybe even consider themselves soulmates or sisters,

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nothing compares to the ship that transpired
between the brains of these two. These

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girls would become physically ill when they
were apart. Okay, that's a little

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weird, strange. I mean,
I love you today, but I don't.

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I don't. It hurts a little, but I don't get sick.

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I would compare their friendship to an
addict, like going through withdrawals when they

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weren't around each other. Yeah,
they were like drugs to each other.

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They became each other's entire world,
and when they were together, they had

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that made up realm and they grew
more and more distant from reality. So

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if they don't have each other,
then they don't have that new reality and

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they're lost in the real world.
Both sets of parents became very worried about

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their daughters, and since this case
took place in the mid nineteen fifties,

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the parents were really more concerned that
their daughters might be les. Oh okay,

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they were thinking, okay, that
would be horrible, that would be

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a horrible existence. Right. Yeah. During that time in New Zealand,

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homosexuality was considered a sign of mental
illness and it was actually punishable with a

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felony. Are you kidding? No? Wow. The girls were accused of

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being in the same sex relationship constantly, and we will circle around to this

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a little later. Their parents got
concerned They're spending every day, all day

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just with each other like nobody else. And Pauline's parents were very worried since

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now Pauline's sixteen and she was doing
very bad in school, like her grades

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dropped, and they thought it was
because of Juliet. Pauline's father said his

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daughter kept him totally out of her
life, which I mean, my fifteen

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year old Yeah, right, that's
true. Some kids do do their parents

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are uncool. While she lived at
home, she would go out of her

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way to blatantly ignore her parents,
because teenagers are as right exactly. She

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and Julia apparently had better things to
do, and they were always writing about

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their new fantasy world. Pauline's father
wanted to spend time with his daughter so

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badly. I get it, I
get it, But she don't care.

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You're uncool? Hurt was it Herbert? She don't care, Herbert, You're

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uncool, she's sixteen, Let it
go. She did share the stories that

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she wrote, and he was excited
for He just wanted to connect with her

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any possible way he could. This
is like when my daughter talks abop,

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K pop. She knows like all
the groups, she knows all their names,

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and she'll tell me all about it
and which is cool, but I

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don't remember their names and yeah,
okay, good, I don't want you

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to. She goes into it a
lot. Was obsessed right now. Pauline

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once got so excited about what she
was writing. She blurted out to him

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that she was writing an opera.
Oh what an opera and it was really

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rare, and he was really happy
because she was opening up to him.

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He was just looking for anything.
No, you're writing an opera. Oh,

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that's awesome. Do you know music? Do you know? Do they

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even sing in English? I don't
know. I'm being I don't know,

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uneducated here. All Pauline's parents wanted
was to have a happy family in a

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happy home. They wanted their children, both their all their children to do

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wonderful things. At one point,
Pauline's mother took her to me to psychologist

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though you still got that lesbian.
Worried about his name with doctor Bennett,

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and she wanted Pauline to talk about
her friends and ship with Juliet. Pauline's

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mother told the doctor that her daughter
needed to leave the high school. She

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needed to get away from Juliet.
I don't think Pauline feels that way,

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and she thought her daughter would do
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Pauline, to her mother's surprise,
agreed, okay, what Yeah.

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One day, Juliet's father called the
Parker household let him know that he was

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leaving New Zealand and he was going
to take Juliet with him. She's out.

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Herbert and Hana were so happy to
hear that Juliet's getting the funk out

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of chame. There was light at
the end of the tunnel for them,

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But for Pauline this meant that her
entire world was going to crumble the pieces.

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So even though she agreed shouldn't really, I don't think planet, I

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don't. Yeah, Mom, I'm
not going to use my cell phone.

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Yeah kind of the thing. You
can trust me. Yeah, I won't

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talk to no. So it's nineteen
fifty four. Juliette's parents made the decision

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to get a divorce. Oh and
even though this wasn't the reason behind this

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separation, Like the girl's relationship,
it seemed to be a simple solution to

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end the obsessive relationship between Pauline and
Juliet. It must be really bad.

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Yeah, just give you some background
into the lives of Juliet's parents. During

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this time, Henry worked, as
I told you, as the rector of

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Canterbury University College, christ Church,
and soon after we got that position,

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another Englishman named Walter Andrew Bowman Perry
arrived at christ Church, New Zealand.

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After the arrival of Walter, the
relationship and marriage between Henry and Helda was

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never the same. Henry was making
really good money as a rector of the

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university. And Walter was an engineer, he was a charmer, and he

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was actually in New Zealand for a
just a prolonged business trip. Walter and

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Henry both were deeply into the studies
of sociology, and Walter actually promise that

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he would work as a mediator and
a marriage counselor for Henry and Hilda.

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Oh that's so nice, so nice
to work with the two of them so

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closely. Walter was invited to move
in. What, oh, they have

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sixteen bedrooms. They have sixteen bedrooms, Come on in and help us with

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our marriage. Sure, okay,
a stranger, and he agreed at the

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beginning of his counseling, even though
he I don't know that. I don't

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think he's a counselor. Henry,
Hilda and Walter they were all close friends.

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They were all from England and it
was nice to have someone that understood

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the culture right and all of that. So they have this fellow Englishmen living

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with them. So what I mean, what could possibly go wrong? What

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marriage is on the rocks and they've
got a not marriage counselor counseling them and

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for the marriage. Living with them, I don't see any problems, but

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sure there's going to be a surprise. One day, Juliet decided that she

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was done horseback riding and she wanted
to sell her horse. Walter heard that

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she wanted to sell her horse,
and he offered to buy it from his

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new little friend, even though he's
only on a business trip. I don't

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know. So Juliette walked in to
talk to him about it. Later,

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okay, and yeah, she found
her mom and Walter having sex in Oh

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shit, Juliet found them. My
bad da gotta be Oh that's fine,

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A little bit hard. Yeah.
Yeah. Apparently Henry found out and he

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resigned from his position so he could
go back to England. He'd been asked

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for some time to go back to
England, so he knew he had a

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job. They're working on atomic research, yeah, hydrogen. Henry was going

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to take Jonathan with him, and
you know that's Juliet's father, Yeah,

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and leave Juliet with her mother.
The air in England wasn't good for Juliet's

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lungs because remember she oh, she
had tuberculosis. Yeah, especially in the

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winter months. The human family was
also concerned with the fact that the daughter

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had become so close to Dumpy Parker
Girl is now The two girls, Pauline

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and Juliette, were concerned over how
their parents felt about their relationship because they

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fantasized in their novels or whatever you
want to you, their writings or whatever,

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Yeah, that they're going to America. They idealized the American dream because

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they saw the movies and they wanted
it for themselves. Everyone knew that those

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girls were determined to get their way
anyway they could, and everybody knew,

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as I've said, their friendship was
unhealthy. They just didn't know how right.

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On more than one occasion, Henry
made calls to Herbert discussing the friendship,

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and they had a plan that would
separate the girls before they had a

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chance to embarrass the family. Embarrass
the family, so the dads are plotting

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to separate them. Hownry told juliet
he had an idea of taking her and

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her brother to South Africa. Oh
nice, I don't know what happened to

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England, maybe for a vacation or
something for a vacation, but she could

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return without Jonathan to New Zealand to
stay with her mother. If that's what

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she wanted. There's a lot of
tension that was noticed between the forty six

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year old father and his fifteen year
old daughter. Because she's only fifteen,

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the two had an unspoken understanding of
the affair that was going on with Hill

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doing Walter. So apparently she didn't
tell him, oh really, but somehow

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he knew and they just kind of
that was that elephant. Yeah in the

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room. Hownry just knew his kids
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And Juliette wasn't really good at hiding
her emotions, and for mouth didn't say

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it, her face surely did.
She probably was like when Walter came in

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the room, like, yeah,
it's my guess. Regardless of the tension,

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neither one of them mentioned why any
of this was happening to their family.

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Juliette reacted to her father's request to
go to South Africa by saying,

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Pauline has to come with me.
Okay, well that makes sense. Henry

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said, you know, Pauline tagging
along, that's out of the question.

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That's not going to happen. But
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After this, Pauline and Juliette went
to speak to Honora and she agreed wholeheartedly

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with Henry and said that it's just
not Pauline is not going to South Africa.

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Oh maybe they were trying to convince
her so that she could convince Henry.

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Honora's decision made the girls really angry, and their anger transformed into a

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plan to kill what Pauline's mother.
Oh dang. The two discuss the plans

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and they were really enthusiastic. You
would, honestly, you would have thought

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they were planning a surprise party.
Pauline kept a diary and the contents would

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be heard as evidence when eventually there
was a trial, and in it she

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didn't use real names. She didn't
use her own name. Juliet was written

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under her pet name of Debra,
and Pauline was referred to as Gina.

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Okay, oh, that's so sneaky
and no one will ever figure it out

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right the code and wait till you
hear clips of this diary. So now

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we're at June twenty second, nineteen
fifty four. It's a gloomy winter day

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to send the outskirts of christ Church. Today was actually the first day of

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winter for New Zealand. Juliette and
Pauline chose to invite Hanora out with them

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to Victoria Park and that is in
a place called Cashmere Hills. Sounds lovely,

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you know. They stopped at a
tea shot for a little bit.

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Let's get some tea. Yeah,
and when they were done, they headed

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down a path further into the park. All three women were bundled up because

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his first day in winner, Juliette
needed to get out the sights of Pauline

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and Hana to she the next stages
of her plan. So she hurried around

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the bend in this path so no
one could see her scattering the pebbles.

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I mean these rocks weren't that big. Yeah, I mean she has a

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whole bunch in her hands and not
that bit. Pauline was unable to hurry

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ahead, would Juliet since she had
to walk with that limp, so she

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stayed at her mom's side. But
Pauline, like Juliet, was hiding something

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in her coat pocket. Half a
brick. Oh shit, yeah. Juliet

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had brought the brick from her house
three hours earlier and gave it to Pauline.

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After she was given this brick,
which would be used as a murder

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weapon. Pauline placed the brick into
the foot of winner her old socks.

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That way when she swung it.
Oh, no, you know she could

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swing it. You could swing it
right and bludgeon her mom. But before

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I tell you more, going to
take a quick break. Juliette was still

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about sixty yards ahead of Pauline and
Honora when a small pink pebble caught Honora's

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eye. Oh, so that's what
she had, these pebbles. They were

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colorful. Yeah. Pauline played along
and told her mom, Oh, look

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at how beautiful it is. When
Honora bent down pick it up. Pauline

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was standing behind her mother. She
pulled out the brick from her pocket in

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the sock, stood steadily, and
swung a brick onto her mother's head.

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Oh. The brick crashed into Honora's
head. She immediately fell to the ground

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and blood began pouring out of her
head. But it was too late for

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Pauline to stop, so she just
kept swinging and swinging and swinging over and

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over again, hitting her mom's head. Juliette sprinted back to them after the

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first blow and kneeled beside Pauline's mother
from that position. She took the brick

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from Pauline and just started hitting Honora's
head again and again and again. Together,

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Pauline and Juliet killed Honorah. That's
terrible. Blood poured out of twenty

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four blows to her head and her
face. It was destroyed. Oh no.

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Once they realized what actually happened,
the two teen girls began to cry,

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oh, come on, uncontrollably,
and they just looked at each other

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and that the woman they just killed
in cold blood. They're watching as Honorah's

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blood is just trickling down her face
down to the path. The plan wasn't

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complete, though. The girls had
decided to make Honora's death look like an

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accident. Okay, sure she's been
smashed in the face twenty four times,

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but if it loops accident. They
were covered in blood as they ran four

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hundred yards back to where they had
tea. When the two sobbing girls re

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entered the restaurant or tea shop,
Pauline screened to the owner, it's mummy,

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like that accent I do. She
wanted to say that her mother was

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in a terrible condition, and they
both said, oh, I think she's

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dead. They tried to carry her, but she was just too heavy.

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Juliette blurted out, yes, it's
her mother, as her voice was cracking

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through the tears. She just said, she's covered with blood. The shop

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owner asked where Honora was, and
Pauline pointed down the path in the direction

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of where her mom's body was.
As Pauline pointed, the shop owner her

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name was Agnes, Ritchie noticed that
Pauline had blood splatter on her face.

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On her face, oh no,
and Pauline could see the look in Agnes's

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eyes and said, please, don't
make us go down there again. Pauline

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went on to explain that the three
of them were coming back from wherever they

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were and her mother tripped on a
plank of wood and hit her head.

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This is the this is the story, stupid. The police were called and

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other people showed up, and they
saw Honora. It was obvious she'd been

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beaten to death, so Pauline had
to improvise. She went on to explain

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that her mother just kept falling and
kept banging her head and whacking her face

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on the ground as she fell.
Come on, now, you fall on

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your face when you're sober, over
and over and over over. I mean

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maybe once, yeah, maybe,
but not over and over face and Juliet

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jumped in and tried to make pauline
story, you know, more believable,

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saying I'll always remember her head banging. Agnes went ahead and she called her

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husband and she told the girls to
use the SYNC to wash the blood off.

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Agnes remembered hearing Pauline and Juliette laughing
hysterically as they watched off Honora's blood

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from them. Kenneth, who's Agnes's
husband, He sprinted down the path and

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I think this is actually before the
police came where Pauline had pointed to,

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and he found Honora, who was
under a tall pine tree, laying on

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a bed of pine needles near the
path. After seeing her kind of sprinted

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back to the shop to call the
police. As I said, when the

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police and the ambulance arrived, it
was like hello, Like she did not

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just fall. They ended up putting
Pauline and Juliet in the police vehicle and

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Hanoor's body was taken away. A
medical examiner actually counted a total of forty

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five separate wounds, so some of
them weren't to the face and hut twenty

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four. Unfortunately, for the girls, No one bought there bullshit, bullshit,

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thank you, and they were charged
with murder. After they were arrested.

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It didn't take long for these girls
to confess and the trial took place

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three weeks later. That's fast,
Maybe that's a prelimb. Ye Juliet told

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this detective detective that she gave the
brick to Pauline and that she knew that

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she put in a sock. She
claimed she didn't know what was going to

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happen with a brick in a sock. Yeah, oh no, I don't

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know what's going to happen, and
that Pauline was going to use it to

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frighten her mother so she'd allow them
to go to South Africa. Really,

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really, I got a brick here
if you don't. She then said that

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she saw Pauline her mother, with
a brick, and she took the brick

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and hit Hanra. Juliet said that
as soon as she saw Pauline with a

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first strike against her mom, she
knew they had no choice but to kill

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her. She ended the confession with
the fact that she was just so terrified.

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Really. Pauline was the next one
to be interrogated by investigators. She

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blurted out, I killed my mother. Well, there you go, all

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right, that didn't take long.
She confessed that she'd made the decision to

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kill her a few days earlier.
She told the Texas that she had no

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idea how many times she struck her
mother, but it had been many,

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many times. While Pauline and Juliet
were in custody, Juliet's father, Henry,

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left to go back to England to
start his new job. Oh should

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he laughed? Do you laugh?
Well, she's arrested and he took her

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brother Jonathan with him. Fuck you, I'm Audie. The funeral for Hanora

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took place, and Hanora was buried
in christ Church Cemetery. The only parents

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left in the raa where Pauline's father, Herbert and Juliette's mother Hilda. While

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Herbert was falling apart, internally,
Hilda she was calm, cool, collected.

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She had to keep up those appearances
because I remember, she's an aristocrat,

405
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:45.160
and she chose to do so with
her new man, Walter Walter Fireside.

406
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.400
Walter must be fabulous, It's all
I have to say. I thought

407
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.359
he was only staying there for a
little while. What happened Herbert had to

408
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.920
take the stand, and he only
needed to speak on two things, the

409
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.319
boy that Pauline was seeing and how
was daughter and Juliet were in such good

410
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:06.880
spirits on the day of his wife's
murder, because remember she used to sneak

411
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.559
into boys rooms. Yeah, and
she was in really good spirits the day

412
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.119
of her mom got murdered. So
how could she have possibly murdered her when

413
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.359
she was so happy? And she
was so happy. This murder took New

414
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:22.200
Zealand by storm, and you know, everybody was paying attention. It was

415
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:28.200
a notorious event. The trial drew
a very large crowd, but it was

416
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.880
only crowded until the local rugby team's
match started. That was the thing to

417
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.440
do until rugby season. Rugby in
this region of the world is like NFL

418
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:43.559
in America's the equivalent to some people's
religion. It's like soccer in Europe.

419
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.519
Yeah, and everybody eats, sleeps
and breeze rugby. So the case was

420
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:52.400
huge for a time and then you
know, rugby started. But there was

421
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.799
one piece of evidence that was a
focal point for the trial. Pauline's diary.

422
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.240
Oh yeah, the contents of a
diary, along with the medical evidence.

423
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.519
I mean to me. Hello,
it's all pretty clear. Were what

424
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:12.599
was used to find out the pressing
question were Julia and Pauline of sound mind.

425
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:19.400
Nobody knew m Prosecutor thought they were
completely rational and that they were just

426
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.800
demented, and the motive for the
murder was crystal clear to him. Prosecutor

427
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.119
told the twelve jars, you look
at them and you think they're just two

428
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.760
teenage girls, but don't have any
pity on them. As he described everything

429
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:38.639
that happened, and then he presented
the diary that was discovered in Pauline's bedroom.

430
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:45.000
The jury was utterly astounded at the
thoughts that were written down about these

431
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.559
sixteen year old girls and what was
in their head. Through the trial,

432
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.599
the girls tried to chat quietly,
but they always had somebody sit between them.

433
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.159
They're like, hey, yeah,
your hair looks good today. So

434
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.639
I'm going to read you part of
the some of the infamous lines of Pauline's

435
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.840
diary that she wrote February thirteenth,
nineteen fifty four. It's a Saturday,

436
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.920
she said, quote, I felt
depressed at the thought of the day.

437
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:12.440
There seemed to be no possibility a
mother relenting and allowing me to go.

438
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:19.079
She's most unreasonable. I also overheard
her making insulting remarks about Missus Hume while

439
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.519
I was ringing this afternoon I was
living. I'm very glad the Hume's sympathize

440
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:28.000
with me, and it's nice to
feel adults realize that what mother is?

441
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.519
Why could not mother die? Dozens
people are dying all the time, thousands,

442
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.599
So why not mother and father too? Life is very hard, damn.

443
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.159
She loved her dad in there too. Yeah. Then on April twenty

444
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.800
eighth, this is a Wednesday,
she wrote, Mother went out this afternoon,

445
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.039
so Deborah and I bathed for some
time. Yeah, and Deborah is

446
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:52.320
Juliet and they used to bathe together. However, I felt thoroughly depressed afterwards,

447
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:57.159
and even quite seriously considered suicide.
Life seems so much not worth the

448
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.960
living, and death was such an
easy way out. Anger against mother boiled

449
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.840
up inside me, as it was
she who was one of the main obstacles

450
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.880
in my path. Suddenly a means
of ridding myself with this obstacle occurred to

451
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.320
me. If she were to die, I spent the evening writing, and

452
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.000
I managed to finish my chapter.
The next day, she wrote, I

453
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.360
did not tell Deborah slash Juliet of
my plans for removing mother. I have

454
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:28.400
made no definitive plans yet. I'm
trying to think of some way. I

455
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.880
do not want to go to too
much trouble, but I wanted to appear

456
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.800
either natural or accidental. Oh,
her mom's death, yea yea. Lastly,

457
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:39.880
in that day's excerpt, she spoke
about how she thought of murdering her

458
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:45.719
mother and it never upset her.
She asked herself if she was peculiar feeling

459
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.280
that way. Yes, Hudley,
Pauline, and Juliet used the term moiter

460
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:54.360
rather than murder than the diary was
their code word. Yeah. I thought

461
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:59.239
it was really clever. You know, no one will understand what moiter means.

462
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.679
The next day, a diary passage
was presented to the jury from June

463
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.159
twenty one. It's a Monday,
says quote. I rose late and helped

464
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.559
mother vigorously this morning Debrah slash Julia
ring, and we decided to use a

465
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.880
rock in a stocking rather than a
sandbag. We discussed the waiter fully.

466
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.880
Oh. I feel very keyed up, as though I were planning a surprise

467
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:27.840
party. And that was the day
of the murder. Mother's fallen in with

468
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.079
everything beautifully and the happy event is
to take place tomorrow, the happy event.

469
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.199
So next time I write in this
diary, mother will be dead.

470
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:42.760
How odd? Yeah? How pleasing? Wow. The next page is the

471
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:47.159
next day and it's titled the day
of the Happy Event. Wow, bitch,

472
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.760
I'm writing a little of this up
in the morning before the death.

473
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.280
I feel very excited. And the
night before Christmas, ish was last night.

474
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.519
Oh, she was like giddy,
like it's before Christmas. I did

475
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.079
not have pleasant dreams though I am
about to rise. What those psycho?

476
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.840
Yeah? What the fuck is that? So that was all right to the

477
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.880
jury. Then, you know,
the defense is all trying to talk about

478
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.599
how Pauline was bedridden as a child, and there were psych evaluations brought in.

479
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:23.039
This doctor, doctor Medlicott, he
came in and he testified. He

480
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:28.239
spoke to both girls, and he
testified that the diary what was given to

481
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.440
him. Speaking to the girls and
reading the diary, that's pretty much all

482
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.360
he needed to give an assessment.
He concluded that both girls thought they lived

483
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.920
in a make believe world called the
Fourth Realm, and that the higher power

484
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:45.880
of God and those saints were more
powerful than any human god, and that

485
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:51.159
they had heightened powers. He concluded
that both girls had a lot of arrogance,

486
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:55.239
but Pauline did show some signs of
remorse, but usually she only felt

487
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.760
it when she was trying to sleep. Oh, she couldn't asleep a little

488
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.719
ages, she said. Every time
that she would try to fall asleep on

489
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:08.199
her left side, her mother would
appear on her right side. Okay,

490
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.880
what the fuck is that? Both
girls said, we're not crazy, we

491
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.840
knew what we were doing, and
that the rest of the world was out

492
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.519
of their minds. Oh, okay, it's everybody else. That's everybody else.

493
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.920
Pauline had also written in her diary
how excited she and Juliette were about

494
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.039
their next idea. They were going
to figure out how much money typical sex

495
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.760
worker made so they could join that
field, because they wanted money, and

496
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.760
they wanted to get money from men
for sex and then. Doctor Medleycott also

497
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.400
said that when Pauline did see a
boy, she regularly visited This boy named

498
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:47.199
Nicholas, it made Juliette jealous.
Doctor Melicott answered that the girls were crazy

499
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.719
and they suffered from a type of
insanity in which individuals share the same delusion

500
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.639
or false belief. Pauline's family doctor
then took the stand, his name with

501
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.079
doctor Bennett. He agreed that both
girls had the same delusion beliefs. He

502
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:05.320
also stated that both girls seemed to
suffer from paranoia, and they were antisocial

503
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.639
and very dangerous. Right they thought
they were better than the human race.

504
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:15.360
They didn't want any more nagging parents. Nobody does. And then doctor Bennett

505
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.119
mentioned the fact that the girls bathed
together, slept together, played dress up

506
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.320
together, played make believed together,
created a cemetery together, and even held

507
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:29.000
a funeral for a dead mouse and
buried the mouse with a cross headstone.

508
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.320
Girls would ended up being examined four
times and in the end it was determined

509
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.280
they didn't have any mental defects.
They knew what they were doing, then

510
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.480
they knew what was wrong. They
were above average intelligence, and it was

511
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.519
concluded that girls were actually engaging in
a homosexual relationship. When closing arguments came

512
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.280
about, the girls were laughing as
the jury returned with a verdict, the

513
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.920
verdict of guilty, then they stopped
laughing. They were sentenced to detention during

514
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:01.039
Her Majesty's pleasure, a sentence for
any convicted person under the age of eighteen

515
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:06.000
years of age. I guess it's
at their own discretion, pleasure's sentence.

516
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.719
I don't know. They basically were
to be imprisoned at the Yeah, the

517
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.559
judge's discretion. I don't want to
tell you how much the time they served,

518
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.239
how much? Five years? Oh
my god. But they weren't kept

519
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.880
them same prison. While in separate
prisons, they formed their own separate lives.

520
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:27.119
They were forbidden to contact each other, so they drifted apart. Pauline

521
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.159
eventually changed her name to Hilary Nathan
and she lives in the UK a very

522
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.400
private life. Her older sister,
Wendy, has said that she does not

523
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.880
have any contact with the outside world
and she deeply regrets killing her mother.

524
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:44.880
On the other hand, juliet lived
out all of her dreams that she and

525
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:50.119
Pauline had together. There was a
movie called Heavenly Creatures and it was about

526
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.159
these girls. The reporters were able
to track Juliette down, and they were

527
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:58.280
astounded to find out that she'd made
quite a life for herself as the best

528
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:04.199
selling author for murder mystery novels under
the name Anne Perry. No I'm gonna

529
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:09.320
have to read one of them.
What she made murder mysteries the fuck is

530
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.440
that she was asked about her pass
with Pauline and she said that she doesn't

531
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:19.039
dwell on the pass because she would
end up tormenting herself, which really wouldn't

532
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.760
help. Juliet passed away in April
of this year at the age of eighty

533
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.440
four. To this day, the
murder of Honora Reaver is still considered to

534
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:31.440
be the worst crime committed in Zealand's
history. Damn, and that's our store.

535
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.039
Wow, Teliah, that was crazy. Yeah teenagers, Yeah, man,

536
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.199
I was a horrible teenager. Man. I didn't kill my mother though.

537
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.119
No, I didn't either. Yeah, maybe wanted to but didn't know.

538
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.559
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Yeah, I know, we got
a boogie all right. Well, thanks

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everyone. Until our next episode,
don't kill each other. Bye,