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Hi everyone, and I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes
and Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. How
are you today? I'm doing fantastic. I want to welcome everybody back to
this week's episode of Crimes and Consequences. This is a story I didn't know
about, and I don't think you know about. No, it's saying Parker.
It's a New Zealand case. Yeah you don't. I didn't think they
did bad things in news. I no. Apparently apparently crime is everywhere.
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Just do it. Just talk to a friend. So I told you this
is about Pauline Parker. She's born Pauline Reaper, Piper Yeah, and her
friend Juliette Hume. So let me start with Pauline. Okay, okay,
Pauline was born in New Zealand to her parents, Herbert and Hanora Reaper Pauline.
She grew up in a blue collar, working class family, just this
normal family. Her father was the owner of a fish market we did wholesale,
and her mother ran a boarding house. Herbert her dad, he was
known as a very gentle soul. He smoked his pipe, he was very
small in stature, and he was just like a nice guy. Hanora,
she was a loving wife and mother, like there's nothing wrong with them.
The two had four children together and they had a common law marriage, so
they weren't officially married. Yeah now like, at least in the state of
Michigan, they don't allow that, but they had that, and I don't
know how New Zealand works. But their oldest child was Wendy. In essence,
she was what a good daughter would be back then. She didn't do
anything wrong and they didn't really think she could do anything wrong. She was
just like a good you know, she's a good kid. Yeah, just
a little different than I was. Then there was Wendy's little sister, Pauline.
She was a troublemaker of this very modest family and the family always worried
since she was a little girl, like, what is she going to grow
up to be? That's not good. That's not good. There wasn't a
lot of information about her other two siblings, as they told you she was
one of four, but it said that one child was considered okay to be
a drooling imbecile. That's not what we would say this yeah, heart appropriate,
that is yeah. And then I think this child had severe mental disabilities
and ended up being locked away in a mental institution. But it's not all
that clear. The youngest child died shortly after being born. The baby had
a congenital heart problem and basically was I don't want to say born still born,
still born, but was known to the family as the blue baby.
Oh that is so sad. When Pauline was five years old, she got
this bone infection she was diagnosed with enforced to spend months in the hospital over
a three year span, and she had a lot of operations. I don't
know exactly what the technical, scientific medical term for a bone infection was,
but I do know that she spent a lot of time in the hospital,
had a lot of operations. So why all these other kids were outside laughing
and playing with friends. She was forced to spend all her time in a
hospital bed. Wow, that had to suck as a kid and watch the
kids from outside the window. She ended up walking with a limp for the
rest of her life due to that condition. Now I'm gonna talk to you
about Juliette Hume. Unlike Pauline, she was born in England to her parents,
Henry and Hilda. She was born into a very intellectual family and she
was the daughter of well known, highly celebrated physicist. His name was doctor
Henry Rainsford Hume. He was one of four people who worked on developing the
first British hydrogen bomb. Oh kind of like Appenheimer, Yes, right,
she was thinking that, yeah, which eventually would be used during World War
Two. The Hume family was considered wealthy, especially for those times. Her
family moved to New Zealand in nineteen forty eight and Juliette was hospit realized in
nineteen fifty three for tuberculosis. She was treated for four months and then discharged,
but she would end up dealing with the effects of that her whole life.
Juliet's father chose to relocate his family to christ Church, New Zealand after
accepting a position as first Rector at Canbury University College. This position was sort
of the president of the college, and he was ultimately responsible for running the
whole college, the whole institute, like it's a big deal. That's why
he moved. Juliet grew up in an entirely different world than Pauline did.
She had horses, like I said, upper class family. Her mother was
an aristocrat and immersed herself into the culture of other aristocrats to keep up appearances.
We're talking way more high class in you and I exactly the kind of
money. No, I'm not hanging out a country club. Nope, No
going to balls everyone. When I was young, I was going to Kmart's
kim close exactly together. Henry and Hilda raised their two children, Juliet and
her brother Jonathan, in a sixteen bedroom stone mansion. Damn nice on tons
of acres of land. Sixteen sixteen. Who cleans that house? Not missus,
Hume, I'm sure of it. What the hell do you probably stay
off? Like what the okay? I don't know, I'm not judging.
Even though Juliette and Pauline were from very different backgrounds, they clicked as soon
as they met one another. Besides their upbringings, the two girls were also
opposite in their physical appearance. So Pauline, she was very small in stature.
She stood five foot three inches tall, which is my height. It's
not that small. I don't like I don't like being it's not small by
four average. By four is average, which is a little tinier, dark
hair, and a very very mean temper. Oh. Juliette was very tall
for age. She was described as beautiful, had shoulder length, light brown
hair. She was considered very pleasant, and she spoke with a British accent.
Nice nice. Pauline was known to have very dark, very cold eyes
because she's me yeah exactly. Some people described her as looking dead inside,
and she was considered to look dumpy. Oh, but they quickly became friends
like teenage girls do, I guess, well, she's I mean, think
about it. Julietta is new and that's true. So they became friends quickly.
After the human family located to christ Church. One of the things the
two girls bonded over was their medical conditions, and that makes sense since they
both have struggled with our health. They attended the same school, Christ Church
Girls High School, and they quickly got to know each other. They usually
hung out in Jim class. Oh I hated Jim class. I hated it.
I hated it too. I hated it. I liked dodge a ball
though, Yeah, dadge ball was fun. If you can dodge a wrench,
you can dodge a ball. I don't think they played dodgeball in schools
anymore. No, probably not. Anyway, since Juliet's father was a highly
admired physicist, they could afford what most families couldn't as already you know told
you. Pauline spent most of her time with Juliet at the Hume home,
and one of the reasons was because Juliette had her own pony. Nice Nice.
Did you ever see that Seinfeld episode which one where he talks about like
who grows up with a pony? I saw all of them. The lady
was like, I had a pony. Well, she get saw upset.
I didn't have a back in Europe when she was a little girl. Yeah,
okay, so she had a pony. Yeah. Pauline with her medical
condition couldn't be is active, you know if she had this limp as other
girl's rage, So she would ride Juliet's pony. And it made her feel
about her. Yeah, on the pony, Pauline's limp, it didn't have
any effect on her when she's on a saddle, right. And Pauline tried
really hard to get her parents to allow her to keep a pony, and
she really wanted to be part of the Horse and Pony club, but her
parents were like, no, no, pony getting a pony. What her
parents didn't know was that Pauline already had a pony. She did she kept
a hidden away. I can't believe this. How do you hide a pony
behind a padlock shed? And she had it for weeks. I don't know
how she got the goddamn pony. I mean, like feeding it and just
shoveling it shit, Like what is she doing with it? She's hiding a
pony. I don't know. I don't I don't know. Man good for
her, I guess I don't even know how she got a pony. Where
did she get it from? Well? I do know Pauline had purchased the
pony with the advice of Juliette, and nobody knows exactly where she got the
money from. But I have a feeling Juliette gave it to her exactly.
This type of sneakiness was common with Pauline. I mean that I feel like
I know there was a pony there, but I might not. I don't
know. She was known to sneak out of her house into boy's bedrooms during
the middle of the night. I mean, oh, Pauline, you probably
have before too. At least she wanted to. At least I wanted to.
Regardless her parents, they knew how conniving their daughter was, which is
why they became really worried when Pauline became so preoccupied with Juliet. Eventually,
her parents did find out about the pony. Okay, but when they found
out, they let her keep it since she'd already it's so long, Well,
okay, you can, I mean, doesn't it take I don't know,
then, That's what I'm saying. I mean, I've not a pony.
I don't know the vet appointments from my tiny yorkist. I'm thinking like
it's eating a lot and shitting a lot. I don't know anyway, the
making doesn't a mcname sounds yeah, I don't know. Let's just go it's
a small, tiny pony. I don't know pony would be cool. Yeah,
all right, anyway, anyway, we're digressing. They knew that if
they didn't let her keep the pony, she would metaphorically burn the house to
the ground. She'd be passed, super passed, passed. They just didn't
want to deal with it. Well, Pauline and Juliette's friendship seemed relatively innocent
to the outside world. The girl's bond got the very dark very quickly.
They had very intense imaginations. Let's just say. As they began to go
closer and closer, they begin to create this makeup world called the Fourth World.
Okay. They even invented a religion where they would appoint famous celebrities to
be the saints of their religion. Did they list any of them? Okay,
it was like Orson Wells, James Mason, and many other popular Yeah,
some of the saints. I mean it was back in the day where
Orson Wells, James Mason there, I don't know, randomly famous people we
wouldn't know very much about now, but back in that time, if they're
hot, I don't know. Many kids with wild imaginations have like imaginery friends.
Okay, but they're getting a little bit old. Yeah, So that
and they had entire backstories. They let their imagination run wild, and they
get more and more immersed into this fantasy world. Juliette and paul even wrote
stories that were set in the fourth world together, and that's okay. Yeah,
they got nothing else going on, right, there's no Internet, a
lot of time on their hands. They had the goal of becoming distinguished authors
that would eventually get their stories published. Who knows. The friendship between Juliette
and Pauline became more like an obsession with one another. And although many friends
do become obsessed with each other and maybe even consider themselves soulmates or sisters,
nothing compares to the ship that transpired between the brains of these two. These
girls would become physically ill when they were apart. Okay, that's a little
weird, strange. I mean, I love you today, but I don't.
I don't. It hurts a little, but I don't get sick.
I would compare their friendship to an addict, like going through withdrawals when they
weren't around each other. Yeah, they were like drugs to each other.
They became each other's entire world, and when they were together, they had
that made up realm and they grew more and more distant from reality. So
if they don't have each other, then they don't have that new reality and
they're lost in the real world. Both sets of parents became very worried about
their daughters, and since this case took place in the mid nineteen fifties,
the parents were really more concerned that their daughters might be les. Oh okay,
they were thinking, okay, that would be horrible, that would be
a horrible existence. Right. Yeah. During that time in New Zealand,
homosexuality was considered a sign of mental illness and it was actually punishable with a
felony. Are you kidding? No? Wow. The girls were accused of
being in the same sex relationship constantly, and we will circle around to this
a little later. Their parents got concerned They're spending every day, all day
just with each other like nobody else. And Pauline's parents were very worried since
now Pauline's sixteen and she was doing very bad in school, like her grades
dropped, and they thought it was because of Juliet. Pauline's father said his
daughter kept him totally out of her life, which I mean, my fifteen
year old Yeah, right, that's true. Some kids do do their parents
are uncool. While she lived at home, she would go out of her
way to blatantly ignore her parents, because teenagers are as right exactly. She
and Julia apparently had better things to do, and they were always writing about
their new fantasy world. Pauline's father wanted to spend time with his daughter so
badly. I get it, I get it, But she don't care.
You're uncool? Hurt was it Herbert? She don't care, Herbert, You're
uncool, she's sixteen, Let it go. She did share the stories that
she wrote, and he was excited for He just wanted to connect with her
any possible way he could. This is like when my daughter talks abop,
K pop. She knows like all the groups, she knows all their names,
and she'll tell me all about it and which is cool, but I
don't remember their names and yeah, okay, good, I don't want you
to. She goes into it a lot. Was obsessed right now. Pauline
once got so excited about what she was writing. She blurted out to him
that she was writing an opera. Oh what an opera and it was really
rare, and he was really happy because she was opening up to him.
He was just looking for anything. No, you're writing an opera. Oh,
that's awesome. Do you know music? Do you know? Do they
even sing in English? I don't know. I'm being I don't know,
uneducated here. All Pauline's parents wanted was to have a happy family in a
happy home. They wanted their children, both their all their children to do
wonderful things. At one point, Pauline's mother took her to me to psychologist
though you still got that lesbian. Worried about his name with doctor Bennett,
and she wanted Pauline to talk about her friends and ship with Juliet. Pauline's
mother told the doctor that her daughter needed to leave the high school. She
needed to get away from Juliet. I don't think Pauline feels that way,
and she thought her daughter would do better if their friendship had some time apart.
Pauline, to her mother's surprise, agreed, okay, what Yeah.
One day, Juliet's father called the Parker household let him know that he was
leaving New Zealand and he was going to take Juliet with him. She's out.
Herbert and Hana were so happy to hear that Juliet's getting the funk out
of chame. There was light at the end of the tunnel for them,
But for Pauline this meant that her entire world was going to crumble the pieces.
So even though she agreed shouldn't really, I don't think planet, I
don't. Yeah, Mom, I'm not going to use my cell phone.
Yeah kind of the thing. You can trust me. Yeah, I won't
talk to no. So it's nineteen fifty four. Juliette's parents made the decision
to get a divorce. Oh and even though this wasn't the reason behind this
separation, Like the girl's relationship, it seemed to be a simple solution to
end the obsessive relationship between Pauline and Juliet. It must be really bad.
Yeah, just give you some background into the lives of Juliet's parents. During
this time, Henry worked, as I told you, as the rector of
Canterbury University College, christ Church, and soon after we got that position,
another Englishman named Walter Andrew Bowman Perry arrived at christ Church, New Zealand.
After the arrival of Walter, the relationship and marriage between Henry and Helda was
never the same. Henry was making really good money as a rector of the
university. And Walter was an engineer, he was a charmer, and he
was actually in New Zealand for a just a prolonged business trip. Walter and
Henry both were deeply into the studies of sociology, and Walter actually promise that
he would work as a mediator and a marriage counselor for Henry and Hilda.
Oh that's so nice, so nice to work with the two of them so
closely. Walter was invited to move in. What, oh, they have
sixteen bedrooms. They have sixteen bedrooms, Come on in and help us with
our marriage. Sure, okay, a stranger, and he agreed at the
beginning of his counseling, even though he I don't know that. I don't
think he's a counselor. Henry, Hilda and Walter they were all close friends.
They were all from England and it was nice to have someone that understood
the culture right and all of that. So they have this fellow Englishmen living
with them. So what I mean, what could possibly go wrong? What
marriage is on the rocks and they've got a not marriage counselor counseling them and
for the marriage. Living with them, I don't see any problems, but
sure there's going to be a surprise. One day, Juliet decided that she
was done horseback riding and she wanted to sell her horse. Walter heard that
she wanted to sell her horse, and he offered to buy it from his
new little friend, even though he's only on a business trip. I don't
know. So Juliette walked in to talk to him about it. Later,
okay, and yeah, she found her mom and Walter having sex in Oh
shit, Juliet found them. My bad da gotta be Oh that's fine,
A little bit hard. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently Henry found out and he
resigned from his position so he could go back to England. He'd been asked
for some time to go back to England, so he knew he had a
job. They're working on atomic research, yeah, hydrogen. Henry was going
to take Jonathan with him, and you know that's Juliet's father, Yeah,
and leave Juliet with her mother. The air in England wasn't good for Juliet's
lungs because remember she oh, she had tuberculosis. Yeah, especially in the
winter months. The human family was also concerned with the fact that the daughter
had become so close to Dumpy Parker Girl is now The two girls, Pauline
and Juliette, were concerned over how their parents felt about their relationship because they
fantasized in their novels or whatever you want to you, their writings or whatever,
Yeah, that they're going to America. They idealized the American dream because
they saw the movies and they wanted it for themselves. Everyone knew that those
girls were determined to get their way anyway they could, and everybody knew,
as I've said, their friendship was unhealthy. They just didn't know how right.
On more than one occasion, Henry made calls to Herbert discussing the friendship,
and they had a plan that would separate the girls before they had a
chance to embarrass the family. Embarrass the family, so the dads are plotting
to separate them. Hownry told juliet he had an idea of taking her and
her brother to South Africa. Oh nice, I don't know what happened to
England, maybe for a vacation or something for a vacation, but she could
return without Jonathan to New Zealand to stay with her mother. If that's what
she wanted. There's a lot of tension that was noticed between the forty six
year old father and his fifteen year old daughter. Because she's only fifteen,
the two had an unspoken understanding of the affair that was going on with Hill
doing Walter. So apparently she didn't tell him, oh really, but somehow
he knew and they just kind of that was that elephant. Yeah in the
room. Hownry just knew his kids knew by the look in their eyes.
And Juliette wasn't really good at hiding her emotions, and for mouth didn't say
it, her face surely did. She probably was like when Walter came in
the room, like, yeah, it's my guess. Regardless of the tension,
neither one of them mentioned why any of this was happening to their family.
Juliette reacted to her father's request to go to South Africa by saying,
Pauline has to come with me. Okay, well that makes sense. Henry
said, you know, Pauline tagging along, that's out of the question.
That's not going to happen. But Juliette wasn't taking no for an answer.
After this, Pauline and Juliette went to speak to Honora and she agreed wholeheartedly
with Henry and said that it's just not Pauline is not going to South Africa.
Oh maybe they were trying to convince her so that she could convince Henry.
Honora's decision made the girls really angry, and their anger transformed into a
plan to kill what Pauline's mother. Oh dang. The two discuss the plans
and they were really enthusiastic. You would, honestly, you would have thought
they were planning a surprise party. Pauline kept a diary and the contents would
be heard as evidence when eventually there was a trial, and in it she
didn't use real names. She didn't use her own name. Juliet was written
under her pet name of Debra, and Pauline was referred to as Gina.
Okay, oh, that's so sneaky and no one will ever figure it out
right the code and wait till you hear clips of this diary. So now
we're at June twenty second, nineteen fifty four. It's a gloomy winter day
to send the outskirts of christ Church. Today was actually the first day of
winter for New Zealand. Juliette and Pauline chose to invite Hanora out with them
to Victoria Park and that is in a place called Cashmere Hills. Sounds lovely,
you know. They stopped at a tea shot for a little bit.
Let's get some tea. Yeah, and when they were done, they headed
down a path further into the park. All three women were bundled up because
his first day in winner, Juliette needed to get out the sights of Pauline
and Hana to she the next stages of her plan. So she hurried around
the bend in this path so no one could see her scattering the pebbles.
I mean these rocks weren't that big. Yeah, I mean she has a
whole bunch in her hands and not that bit. Pauline was unable to hurry
ahead, would Juliet since she had to walk with that limp, so she
stayed at her mom's side. But Pauline, like Juliet, was hiding something
in her coat pocket. Half a brick. Oh shit, yeah. Juliet
had brought the brick from her house three hours earlier and gave it to Pauline.
After she was given this brick, which would be used as a murder
weapon. Pauline placed the brick into the foot of winner her old socks.
That way when she swung it. Oh, no, you know she could
swing it. You could swing it right and bludgeon her mom. But before
I tell you more, going to take a quick break. Juliette was still
about sixty yards ahead of Pauline and Honora when a small pink pebble caught Honora's
eye. Oh, so that's what she had, these pebbles. They were
colorful. Yeah. Pauline played along and told her mom, Oh, look
at how beautiful it is. When Honora bent down pick it up. Pauline
was standing behind her mother. She pulled out the brick from her pocket in
the sock, stood steadily, and swung a brick onto her mother's head.
Oh. The brick crashed into Honora's head. She immediately fell to the ground
and blood began pouring out of her head. But it was too late for
Pauline to stop, so she just kept swinging and swinging and swinging over and
over again, hitting her mom's head. Juliette sprinted back to them after the
first blow and kneeled beside Pauline's mother from that position. She took the brick
from Pauline and just started hitting Honora's head again and again and again. Together,
Pauline and Juliet killed Honorah. That's terrible. Blood poured out of twenty
four blows to her head and her face. It was destroyed. Oh no.
Once they realized what actually happened, the two teen girls began to cry,
oh, come on, uncontrollably, and they just looked at each other
and that the woman they just killed in cold blood. They're watching as Honorah's
blood is just trickling down her face down to the path. The plan wasn't
complete, though. The girls had decided to make Honora's death look like an
accident. Okay, sure she's been smashed in the face twenty four times,
but if it loops accident. They were covered in blood as they ran four
hundred yards back to where they had tea. When the two sobbing girls re
entered the restaurant or tea shop, Pauline screened to the owner, it's mummy,
like that accent I do. She wanted to say that her mother was
in a terrible condition, and they both said, oh, I think she's
dead. They tried to carry her, but she was just too heavy.
Juliette blurted out, yes, it's her mother, as her voice was cracking
through the tears. She just said, she's covered with blood. The shop
owner asked where Honora was, and Pauline pointed down the path in the direction
of where her mom's body was. As Pauline pointed, the shop owner her
name was Agnes, Ritchie noticed that Pauline had blood splatter on her face.
On her face, oh no, and Pauline could see the look in Agnes's
eyes and said, please, don't make us go down there again. Pauline
went on to explain that the three of them were coming back from wherever they
were and her mother tripped on a plank of wood and hit her head.
This is the this is the story, stupid. The police were called and
other people showed up, and they saw Honora. It was obvious she'd been
beaten to death, so Pauline had to improvise. She went on to explain
that her mother just kept falling and kept banging her head and whacking her face
on the ground as she fell. Come on, now, you fall on
your face when you're sober, over and over and over over. I mean
maybe once, yeah, maybe, but not over and over face and Juliet
jumped in and tried to make pauline story, you know, more believable,
saying I'll always remember her head banging. Agnes went ahead and she called her
husband and she told the girls to use the SYNC to wash the blood off.
Agnes remembered hearing Pauline and Juliette laughing hysterically as they watched off Honora's blood
from them. Kenneth, who's Agnes's husband, He sprinted down the path and
I think this is actually before the police came where Pauline had pointed to,
and he found Honora, who was under a tall pine tree, laying on
a bed of pine needles near the path. After seeing her kind of sprinted
back to the shop to call the police. As I said, when the
police and the ambulance arrived, it was like hello, Like she did not
just fall. They ended up putting Pauline and Juliet in the police vehicle and
Hanoor's body was taken away. A medical examiner actually counted a total of forty
five separate wounds, so some of them weren't to the face and hut twenty
four. Unfortunately, for the girls, No one bought there bullshit, bullshit,
thank you, and they were charged with murder. After they were arrested.
It didn't take long for these girls to confess and the trial took place
three weeks later. That's fast, Maybe that's a prelimb. Ye Juliet told
this detective detective that she gave the brick to Pauline and that she knew that
she put in a sock. She claimed she didn't know what was going to
happen with a brick in a sock. Yeah, oh no, I don't
know what's going to happen, and that Pauline was going to use it to
frighten her mother so she'd allow them to go to South Africa. Really,
really, I got a brick here if you don't. She then said that
she saw Pauline her mother, with a brick, and she took the brick
and hit Hanra. Juliet said that as soon as she saw Pauline with a
first strike against her mom, she knew they had no choice but to kill
her. She ended the confession with the fact that she was just so terrified.
Really. Pauline was the next one to be interrogated by investigators. She
blurted out, I killed my mother. Well, there you go, all
right, that didn't take long. She confessed that she'd made the decision to
kill her a few days earlier. She told the Texas that she had no
idea how many times she struck her mother, but it had been many,
many times. While Pauline and Juliet were in custody, Juliet's father, Henry,
left to go back to England to start his new job. Oh should
he laughed? Do you laugh? Well, she's arrested and he took her
brother Jonathan with him. Fuck you, I'm Audie. The funeral for Hanora
took place, and Hanora was buried in christ Church Cemetery. The only parents
left in the raa where Pauline's father, Herbert and Juliette's mother Hilda. While
Herbert was falling apart, internally, Hilda she was calm, cool, collected.
She had to keep up those appearances because I remember, she's an aristocrat,
and she chose to do so with her new man, Walter Walter Fireside.
Walter must be fabulous, It's all I have to say. I thought
he was only staying there for a little while. What happened Herbert had to
take the stand, and he only needed to speak on two things, the
boy that Pauline was seeing and how was daughter and Juliet were in such good
spirits on the day of his wife's murder, because remember she used to sneak
into boys rooms. Yeah, and she was in really good spirits the day
of her mom got murdered. So how could she have possibly murdered her when
she was so happy? And she was so happy. This murder took New
Zealand by storm, and you know, everybody was paying attention. It was
a notorious event. The trial drew a very large crowd, but it was
only crowded until the local rugby team's match started. That was the thing to
do until rugby season. Rugby in this region of the world is like NFL
in America's the equivalent to some people's religion. It's like soccer in Europe.
Yeah, and everybody eats, sleeps and breeze rugby. So the case was
huge for a time and then you know, rugby started. But there was
one piece of evidence that was a focal point for the trial. Pauline's diary.
Oh yeah, the contents of a diary, along with the medical evidence.
I mean to me. Hello, it's all pretty clear. Were what
was used to find out the pressing question were Julia and Pauline of sound mind.
Nobody knew m Prosecutor thought they were completely rational and that they were just
demented, and the motive for the murder was crystal clear to him. Prosecutor
told the twelve jars, you look at them and you think they're just two
teenage girls, but don't have any pity on them. As he described everything
that happened, and then he presented the diary that was discovered in Pauline's bedroom.
The jury was utterly astounded at the thoughts that were written down about these
sixteen year old girls and what was in their head. Through the trial,
the girls tried to chat quietly, but they always had somebody sit between them.
They're like, hey, yeah, your hair looks good today. So
I'm going to read you part of the some of the infamous lines of Pauline's
diary that she wrote February thirteenth, nineteen fifty four. It's a Saturday,
she said, quote, I felt depressed at the thought of the day.
There seemed to be no possibility a mother relenting and allowing me to go.
She's most unreasonable. I also overheard her making insulting remarks about Missus Hume while
I was ringing this afternoon I was living. I'm very glad the Hume's sympathize
with me, and it's nice to feel adults realize that what mother is?
Why could not mother die? Dozens people are dying all the time, thousands,
So why not mother and father too? Life is very hard, damn.
She loved her dad in there too. Yeah. Then on April twenty
eighth, this is a Wednesday, she wrote, Mother went out this afternoon,
so Deborah and I bathed for some time. Yeah, and Deborah is
Juliet and they used to bathe together. However, I felt thoroughly depressed afterwards,
and even quite seriously considered suicide. Life seems so much not worth the
living, and death was such an easy way out. Anger against mother boiled
up inside me, as it was she who was one of the main obstacles
in my path. Suddenly a means of ridding myself with this obstacle occurred to
me. If she were to die, I spent the evening writing, and
I managed to finish my chapter. The next day, she wrote, I
did not tell Deborah slash Juliet of my plans for removing mother. I have
made no definitive plans yet. I'm trying to think of some way. I
do not want to go to too much trouble, but I wanted to appear
either natural or accidental. Oh, her mom's death, yea yea. Lastly,
in that day's excerpt, she spoke about how she thought of murdering her
mother and it never upset her. She asked herself if she was peculiar feeling
that way. Yes, Hudley, Pauline, and Juliet used the term moiter
rather than murder than the diary was their code word. Yeah. I thought
it was really clever. You know, no one will understand what moiter means.
The next day, a diary passage was presented to the jury from June
twenty one. It's a Monday, says quote. I rose late and helped
mother vigorously this morning Debrah slash Julia ring, and we decided to use a
rock in a stocking rather than a sandbag. We discussed the waiter fully.
Oh. I feel very keyed up, as though I were planning a surprise
party. And that was the day of the murder. Mother's fallen in with
everything beautifully and the happy event is to take place tomorrow, the happy event.
So next time I write in this diary, mother will be dead.
How odd? Yeah? How pleasing? Wow. The next page is the
next day and it's titled the day of the Happy Event. Wow, bitch,
I'm writing a little of this up in the morning before the death.
I feel very excited. And the night before Christmas, ish was last night.
Oh, she was like giddy, like it's before Christmas. I did
not have pleasant dreams though I am about to rise. What those psycho?
Yeah? What the fuck is that? So that was all right to the
jury. Then, you know, the defense is all trying to talk about
how Pauline was bedridden as a child, and there were psych evaluations brought in.
This doctor, doctor Medlicott, he came in and he testified. He
spoke to both girls, and he testified that the diary what was given to
him. Speaking to the girls and reading the diary, that's pretty much all
he needed to give an assessment. He concluded that both girls thought they lived
in a make believe world called the Fourth Realm, and that the higher power
of God and those saints were more powerful than any human god, and that
they had heightened powers. He concluded that both girls had a lot of arrogance,
but Pauline did show some signs of remorse, but usually she only felt
it when she was trying to sleep. Oh, she couldn't asleep a little
ages, she said. Every time that she would try to fall asleep on
her left side, her mother would appear on her right side. Okay,
what the fuck is that? Both girls said, we're not crazy, we
knew what we were doing, and that the rest of the world was out
of their minds. Oh, okay, it's everybody else. That's everybody else.
Pauline had also written in her diary how excited she and Juliette were about
their next idea. They were going to figure out how much money typical sex
worker made so they could join that field, because they wanted money, and
they wanted to get money from men for sex and then. Doctor Medleycott also
said that when Pauline did see a boy, she regularly visited This boy named
Nicholas, it made Juliette jealous. Doctor Melicott answered that the girls were crazy
and they suffered from a type of insanity in which individuals share the same delusion
or false belief. Pauline's family doctor then took the stand, his name with
doctor Bennett. He agreed that both girls had the same delusion beliefs. He
also stated that both girls seemed to suffer from paranoia, and they were antisocial
and very dangerous. Right they thought they were better than the human race.
They didn't want any more nagging parents. Nobody does. And then doctor Bennett
mentioned the fact that the girls bathed together, slept together, played dress up
together, played make believed together, created a cemetery together, and even held
a funeral for a dead mouse and buried the mouse with a cross headstone.
Girls would ended up being examined four times and in the end it was determined
they didn't have any mental defects. They knew what they were doing, then
they knew what was wrong. They were above average intelligence, and it was
concluded that girls were actually engaging in a homosexual relationship. When closing arguments came
about, the girls were laughing as the jury returned with a verdict, the
verdict of guilty, then they stopped laughing. They were sentenced to detention during
Her Majesty's pleasure, a sentence for any convicted person under the age of eighteen
years of age. I guess it's at their own discretion, pleasure's sentence.
I don't know. They basically were to be imprisoned at the Yeah, the
judge's discretion. I don't want to tell you how much the time they served,
how much? Five years? Oh my god. But they weren't kept
them same prison. While in separate prisons, they formed their own separate lives.
They were forbidden to contact each other, so they drifted apart. Pauline
eventually changed her name to Hilary Nathan and she lives in the UK a very
private life. Her older sister, Wendy, has said that she does not
have any contact with the outside world and she deeply regrets killing her mother.
On the other hand, juliet lived out all of her dreams that she and
Pauline had together. There was a movie called Heavenly Creatures and it was about
these girls. The reporters were able to track Juliette down, and they were
astounded to find out that she'd made quite a life for herself as the best
selling author for murder mystery novels under the name Anne Perry. No I'm gonna
have to read one of them. What she made murder mysteries the fuck is
that she was asked about her pass with Pauline and she said that she doesn't
dwell on the pass because she would end up tormenting herself, which really wouldn't
help. Juliet passed away in April of this year at the age of eighty
four. To this day, the murder of Honora Reaver is still considered to
be the worst crime committed in Zealand's history. Damn, and that's our store.
Wow, Teliah, that was crazy. Yeah teenagers, Yeah, man,
I was a horrible teenager. Man. I didn't kill my mother though.
No, I didn't either. Yeah, maybe wanted to but didn't know.
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