Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Then welcome back to the act Lay reviews the
season one finale series finale. Who knows it could be wake up? Most
thing be fucking canned. Wouldn't that be so funny, especially what happened in
this episode. I'm sure Tayo's really jazzed out one thing, and then Luke
Silm's like, yeah, we're not continuing to act like anymore, like tomorrow
morning. First, Like remember before we get intructions, Remember when they were
wont realize they released the Justice League on the Friday, and then the Monday
they put the article like, yeah, we're not doing anything more, so
don't even watch it. We fucking hate Zach Sar. Don't watch it.
This is the end of the road. Like it was like just wait a
week even but it was like two days later. But I am oh,
I've changed my name. I am the number one Kylo Renz fanboy, Travis
Snell, and I'm joined by there he is kirkle Patzer, goll Hm,
Taylor Field. Yes, leusim got lost to talk about tonight with the act
alte. Uh so we're gonna just get right into we got some other things
to plug layer like Geek First Day and some shows going on. Weeks coming
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next two newscasts. We got dead Poo, wol Ring predictions, concom predictions,
so some really good stuff along some retros dropping. So, yeah,
July and August gonna be hot and heavy. But was this hot heavy?
I mean, I let kirkln Pats to go first, so you can give
your minor thoughts on last week, because you know, we got lots of
talk about tonight, So just your mind because you were here last week.
And then what did you think of this? In a non spolar fashion for
people that don't know, we go over this in a non spolur away for
about fifteen to twenty five minutes, and then before if you haven't seen it,
we'll give you a warning, take a little lad break, and we'll
get into it. So kirkle on the floor, is yours to start us
off? Where's mine? Yeah? Last week it was fine. Last week
I thought the episode was all right, It definitely seemed like it should have
came earlier on in the season. I listened to your guys' review and it
definitely was aligned a lot with what you guys were saying. And it just
seemed like a weird place to have that episode, especially the penultimate, especially
like the week prior, for the big chaos of what was going on in
that episode, to just do like a flashback sequence and then like a side
quest essentially, and then we're just back on the adventure again for the finale,
it seemed like a weird situated episode. He had a finger in the
air. Yeah, because I want to add one thing that's some myer spoilers,
but it's not that big for this episode, especially when the first minute
this episode ends up like starts off with Soul talking to me about what happened.
It's like, why do we even do this flashback? He's like,
just like that showed last week's episode makes Soul's monologue like a couple of minutes
longer. He covered every in a minute. He covered everything we needed to
know, and that's why I was a just like we had to sit there
for all fucking forty minutes for that last week, So it made last week
for me feel worse when he's just like, well, this happened, and
this happened, and then I did this, and then I did this,
and the Jedi filled you all. It was everything. It was everything,
elevator to the field. Now, well, I didn't see how your names
properly in our chat, so all I saw was the message, like that
first minute, and then underneath it they just save Star Wars. Kirk was
saying that first minute, they just say. As I was watching it,
like what That's how the gift was about. It gives about something else which
I'm confused on, which I'll talk to you guys about. So it might
not be as negative amount but interesting, Okay, yeah, but yeah,
I thought last episode was definitely not the strongest of the of the season by
any means. For this week's you know, it's a big one. It's
the finale of the entire show, and I felt like I was on a
bit of a ride where the last few episodes leading up to this, especially
comparing to where I was in the early parts of the season, it's been
I don't want to say a drag, but like it's been a downward trend
for the overall enjoyment of the show. I think it's also just because as
we were getting closer to the end, it's like, Okay, there's no
way this is gonna be able to wrap up cleanly or or maybe they'll Maybe
I was just losing hope that they'd be introducing certain and things because of just
the amount of runtime that was remaining on the season as a whole. So
I was starting to lose faith as well as just I don't know. I
think also maybe more that we were unraveling certain characters. It's like, Okay,
I just don't really like this character and how they're written, and that's
that. So yeah, I my expectation has been kind of going down as
the episode or sorry, as the season's been going. As the season has
been going on, and this episode it started that way for me. I
think it started really really low, and it's just like, Okay, this
is going to be a very lackluster finale. I think this episode though,
like peaked maybe at the start of the third act of the episode for me,
and then yeah, so I like there is some really good stuff in
here that I really really did like. But I think now now that the
season's done, now that I can judge it as a whole as one,
you know, as what did the show runners say it's gonna be one complete
story. You can watch it not need anything more. Yeah, So with
that being said, this is a very very messy, complete one story May
and Osha. I Throughout the whole season, I've definitely liked just what's been
going on with Osha more than May, and watching this episode, I'm just
like, what the fuck is going on with this May character? And then
like the by the end of it, I was just like scratching my head
and like, man, like, what a weird way to go with that
character. Obviously I won't say anything right now. I'll let you guys speak
and then we'll go into spoilers. But yeah, I think it's very,
very, very messy how they handled that character, very specifically that character.
There is some other things that I think are messy, but that one's the
biggest standout for me. That is just this could have been so much cleaner
if we just had maybe one character as opposed to me, I, the
whole thing of what they are and why they're connected together, Like, I
felt like that was lackluster and not really satisfying. For me, Yeah,
the Jedi stuff wasn't really anything that I really was in love with. But
yeah, with that being said, I still think there was some really fun
action sequences in this. I really really liked the action that was in this
and uh and yeah, like although I said, like I did like this
episode as it was going along, the peak maybe was like between an eight
and nine, like like you know, like it like it never really spiked
beyond that for me. So yeah, I'm I'm a little disappointed with what
happened overall with this show. And yeah, like I definitely have some questions
for the Low Master himself Gollam Taylor Field here, but other than that,
Like, yeah, I must say I'm leaving this season disappointed for what I
thought the show might be. And but I don't know, there's there's some
glimmer of hope perhaps with some seeds that were planted here trying to speak as
cryptic as I can, but yeah, I think I'll leave it at that.
Two things. One I didn't hear Lore, I thought you called them
the Lord Master. I'm like, what the fuck religious thing is Kirkling into
right now? So that's one. And two is that little seed enough for
you know, jokes aside. Let's say we don't get the cancelation. Let's
sa a couple weeks from now, they say, hey, we're doing season
two. Are you excited? And if you are, like, what's your
level excited? Yeah, so like if it's interesting, because like for one
specific storyline, I am for excitement level eight out of ten. That's pretty
high. I think that's like A, it's like a solid B. I
am intriguing, I am intriguing. I am intriguing. I'm intrigued like how
they might go with that story. But like, like even that be my
favorite part of this episode, it's still felt a little messy, and uh,
I don't know. I don't want to reveal too much. I feel
I'm gonna slip of the tongue. So maybe I'll put a pin in that
form and circle back in the spoiler section. But yeah, like if we
do get that season two, like I want to say, I'm gonna be
really excited and hype to to go to continue on with what we were left
off with. But like, also, this season was very messy, and
now that's like a cloud going in. If we get a season two,
I don't really have any reason to believe it wouldn't be as messy as what
this season is. And it's kind of a sad thing to have for,
you know, a show that was it showed some promise here and there in
my opinion, So yeah, yeah I'll go because I'll leave the lower Master
for himself. We gotta get the lower Master with the rate or the lower
what'd you call him? Did you call the lower Master the lower Master?
Yeah, lower Master. We're gonna get him a team with the rate Master,
and yeah, happens there. So I think for Phoenix, yeah,
I think for me, the way I would symbolize this episode or just you
know, put in a bow if you give me, you know, I'm
doing my sole elevator pitches. This to me was like the good It had
good, bad, and ugly. And this to me was very much like
the whole season where it showed the good things in the season that can be
good and fun to watch, and mostly that's the action, but there's some
good stuff in there, some fun, some good character moments, and then
the bad where it's like, oh, this just doesn't make much sense,
and then the ugly where I hate it, where it's like the last last
five minutes. I'm just my eyes are rolling out of my head. Man,
just even down to like music choices, I'm like, none of this
is working and this is just and I think there's a couple things in here
that are good, but just I feel like it'd be like if you were
in a sexless marriage and then you're like, I'm gonna leave my wife.
I'm over this, and then she threw you some asks like okay, you
know what, I'm pretty happy. And that's why I feel like this episode
would do that and the show would continue ulitated and like already my negative reviews,
he's out of here. But I just feel like it shows you somethings
like, oh that could be exciting, but just again in this we'll get
to it. But with these writers, this was just such a messy show.
I still don't have it ranked last for Star Wars. I still have
this. I think definitely above Boa Fette and Amando season three. I'd have
to think about. I'd really it's maybe it's just like a dead neck tie
for now. And the problem is I'll never rewatch either of them, so
I'll never break that tie. I'll just be eternal time. I'll flip a
coin. Next time we rank these things, you know, maybe I will
put Mandler in three below because you got Jack Black, and wow, Jack
Black's kind of a piece of shit. Who would have thunk. It's almost
like Trest been saying, you know, I don't know, you didn't hear
about that the whole tenacious thing. Maybe that's an after nine conversation, but
he just threw his bad made under the bus. So just do a Twitter
search and I just you know, I don't know, but I'm never on
Twitter. Ex Yeah, we'll talk another time. But yeah, that's where
this This episode felt very much like the season, messy, great acting at
times, poor acting at times, great action, action that doesn't make sense
at times. Things I like in Star Wars, things I don't love in
Star Wars. It's kind of all over the map. And unfortunately I think
it was I was liking the first half more than the second half because the
first half I wasn't like, oh, this is gonna save the season,
like, oh, this is a pretty good episode so far. I'm liking
the pacing. Again, like I said, I think now much like episode
four and five did meet with the first three. This really made me feel
like last week was unnecessary with some of the dialogue here where we just kind
of moved on and it didn't feel like even Soul told her half the stuff.
It just felt like he's like, I'm gonna tell you, and the
flashback was for us, and then when we got to the episode, he
actually told her this situation. And it's it's odd pacing for everything. And
I still don't think it's a when you're talking about agree where if this is
how they wrap all up and it's all okay, you can watch season X,
Y and Z, I would not feel fulfilled by this show. Right.
My best example is Dexter, where, of course dex one my favorite
shows, but if you watch season one, there's a few things left hanging,
but nothing where it's like I have to know what's going on. It's
just Dexter meets Size Truck Killer and then he figures out that issue and then
the next season. There's seasons later on that get that way, even Breaking
Bad, there's some seasons like that. But that's where once you get in
those three to four seasons, that's when you can have that you know,
luxury of kind of leaving these things and I don't know where I am excitement
wise, because there are some big things teason here. I think my excitement
would come with we're doing a season two and we have new showrunner and new
writers. That's where my excitement would come from, and see who the writers
are. Of course, I think with this team it doesn't really matter because
I think we're just gonna get with all these big things are showing the same
mess that we did or that we got here, and that that's the hard
thing to get excited for. I can't get excited for scenes because that's something
I can YouTube. I can go if I didn't watch act Light season two
and says, oh, this is great battle, well, I'll pull it
up watchings min it's great. So yeah, I, like I said,
a very mixed bag finale, a mixed bag season overall. And I think
this is definitely a big disappointment in the Star Wars realm when even in this
finale you see things and not the little surprisings like just storylines, you go,
oh, almost this would have been more focused on earlier and given more
attention instead of Basle again getting fucking ten minutes of screen time. I'm exaggerated,
but still it's just like there's choices that were made. And I don't
know whether it's the writers, if it's Feloni, if it's the show runner
at Headline either I don't know, but whoever is, they really need to
sit down and go, Okay, what could we do? And I don't
know if season two is guaranteed. It does say season one finale, but
that doesn't mean anything. Shows get canceled all the time, So I hope
for the people that like and want the season one or there's another season,
they get that because I always want people to be happy, and there's enough
in here. There's one particular storyline that I am enjoying, so I'm curious
to see where that would go. But I just think season two they really
need to step it up. And I think they Yeah, they didn't win
the game here, They didn't. They didn't win the game there. Maybe
that's his boy for my score there. But mister Field, you're back.
You're here. My WiFi is being fucking wild tonight. Holy shit, in
case you guys aren't on the YouTube and you're listening through audio. I mean,
I've been back and forth across the stars. It's been quite a journey.
Right now, you're in a cave looking out for the Wi Fi Jesus
Christ. So where are we still? A non spoilers again, No,
we're done, So check this out first thing. Yeah, Oh my goodness.
So this episode, I think in general, it had some things that
some things I wanted to see and some other things that just felt like we're
kind of off the the written map, and then all in all, it
just felt like it did not capitalize on much of just what I needed answering.
I feel like this whole season has really been very slow at setting things
up and finally getting to where we are now, and it just is kind
of it's kind of unfortunate that we're not I don't know, and we're ending
on such a big kind of dare I say cliffhanger, Like there's so much
that's still left un explained, and that it's just gonna be shoved over into
another maybe season or some kind of other context that we may or may not
get. Yeah, like I hope. So that's very unfortunate. I thought
you were going to be coming out of the Gates swimming swing being really positive,
you know, so well, as I said, like, I'm very
like I'm over the moon on a couple of things of this episode one thing
actually mostly. But I do think though that this should have been our penultimate
episode and then the finale would have been like big beal and ull I got
a better pitch. This should have been the middle of the season. In
my yeah, been expect yeah, I wait till spoilers, but especially how
they pitched us the show. If this was middle point, then okay,
even the first few episodes, so I can see we're more falling giant stuff.
But the ending of the show feels like, oh, that's the show
you guys talked about in twenty twenty when you pitch what the acolyte is?
You know, so that's you two. Oh he's gone. You shocked him
and doing for people. In audio, he's like wide eyed in the photo
and he just cannot believe it. But oh man, that Wi Fi is
tough, so like how he's always Also I'm a sad, you know,
I don't understand how you run on Wi Fi. But he was saying,
you know, he's he's usually giving you ship for being a Wi Fi and
he's plain about his WiFi. Now, and what's up, Taylor Field?
Are you're not hardwired? In I am hardwired? In, okay, the
one you got all your WiFi and I'm not I'm not hardwined in. I'm
not a MacBook bro right now? What is going on, sir? You
know? But I feel like that happened to we all. We all,
Yeah, he told me upgrade of this, I'm never never doing, so
don't I'm continuing on boot it again. A hundred bucks off my bill.
Oh, we'll get you a new motive all that ship. The guy Wii
too, I've already signed the contract. And then the guy the tech install.
It's like, oh, you should have gone to tell us that's way
better for podcasting, Like, oh, fuck Christ, what were you saying
though at the end before I we were before you die, we were Stich,
just somehouse. The middle season. I think that how the show ended
felt more like what they pitched in twenty twenty, what the show was going
to be, where I feel like season two could be that. But that's
a tough pill for me to swallow, like a whole season, like like,
what show are we watched? Oh? The Boys, right, we've
said that before. The Boys were Like sometimes that feels like a setup season
and they can do that though, because there are four seasons in I don't
like this show being like, you know, season one, that's the setup
season in the show we really pitched you. It's like, well, that's
not really what I want, and I so that's where we were, right,
Yeah, I think a season one of a show, especially this is
a new era and new everything. There are things in this finale that people
that are not reading the books aren't familiar with the High Republic stuff like they're
gonna watch this be like what the fuck is that? And what the fuck
is this? And like whoa, what the fuck are those? And so
they're gonna get to the end think I don't. I don't understand any of
this. So it's just it's a shame. It doesn't make any sense.
I think it's it's a lack again of story writing, and the whole season
has been so alluded and so messy. There's many highlights, and I think
I'm absolutely on the more positive side of the fan base when it comes to
the season. I think people are overly harsh and critical, for sure,
but I will not defend it on the case of its storytelling and whatnot,
because that's been pretty bad. And I think the actors and actresses like some
some are okay, others are like I love what they're doing, They're like
given it. They're all in some of these roles. I think it's great,
but it just feels like it's all in all a mixed bag of different
things. And considering this was announced a long time ago, we've gone through
like two different logo changes for this show, and I just feel like its
identity hasn't been really concrete, and now it's it's paid the price. Well.
This this finale was again, like I said, it had some things
I loved and some things I was kind of like lackluster on. And I
totally agree if you with what you said, If you put this in the
middle of the season, that would have been great. I did not.
I don't. I'm happy to have more content in this era, but I
don't need this to be ending the way did forcing us to have that second
season that may never come. I hate when things like that happen. I
don't think it was wrapped up in a bow. There's one scene, no,
because then you get something like Predators where they're on the planet and it's
open ended, or you get other shit like a you know, avp Recriem.
The second one where it's open ended. It's like, well, we're
not doing another one of those, Like these bastards just do this shit and
they don't think about the fans. I feel like, so, yeah,
it's just it. It hurts, it does hurt, it hurts. Well,
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I don't know where to start. I feel like heay, you want to
start in a certain place. I'm not sure you just want to blow your
load and go there first. I'm not sure if you want to build up
to that. So I'll let you decide on that one. I'll let you
want to blow your load. Curl all those fingers. Those finger loads we're
blowing right now. Sure, I was gonna let Taylor pick, but Kirklam
just picked for you. Taylor's attempted me. He's got the novel right there.
I love it. That's a crisp looking novel too. I know,
isn't that mint? That is meant God? That just recently? Right?
No, I've had this for a while and most of my books, like
yet brand new, I keep them mint, very nice condition. Just don't
let masks and get her hands on them. But yeah, Plagis was just
the fucking rogers. I can't even watch my shows. So we'll get into
what was going on. But Kime here and uh oh shut decide they're gonna
leave and they're gonna go find soul maybe may whatever. We'll talk about them
in a second. So as they're leaving, we get a little peak of
the cape and we see some fingers and someone's peering out. We see a
hood and then a little light shines on them and it's what we would all
presume to be dark Seris Man nowhere but start in Star Wars, please get
that a kill it making a voice place. But anyway, so we see
a shadow and it's revealed to hopefully be done other than place. Well hopefully.
That's debatable for me because that's where I'm a mixed because it's cool.
We saw two big things in the show that have been cannon and are not.
Maybe there's more and table tell me, but at least to me,
two big things that are cannon and books and everything but have not been in
live action. One of those things I like. One of those things I
think is fucking stupid and we'll get there. But we did see him.
I think this was what we talked about last week where Leslie Headlin says,
oh, like, if we have more seasons, you'll get to an explanation,
so we'll see if we get there. I do think this is actually
like an appropriate tease. It is one of those things where it's like you
for the hardcores, you better have a well, I don't know that's a
divide, right, because I think some hardcores don't really like the show as
well either, so it's tough. I think it's a fine tease. I
think there's more story hang ups from like, oh, I wish there could
be more of that, but it's I'm a mixed bag because it's cool to
see live. It's a master We talk about a lot. You know,
you guys have a lot of fan fare because I've I had that audio book,
so I'll probably be I've bought it so I'll probably booon it up soon
here. But for me, it's again what I talk about the nonsplayers,
where it's cool that you show me this, but it's also oh, this
team writing it, so it's like, am I just gonna get the messy
stuff with this character Plagas, that I got to the other stuff, and
then it's gonna be like, well, I wish they held off. That's
why I'm hoping that a switch up happens with writers or something, because it's
it's I don't know, like I'm trying to think of like a good example,
like recently, of a character that would come in and everything like that.
I guess because it's like a ten year anniversary a couple weeks ago.
It is like, I love the Joker, but the way he was in
the Suicide Squad, I could enjoy that. I'm not saying Plagas is gonna
have like dark side tattoo on his head, but it's just like a hard
thing like the second because it was three days ago at the ten year anniversary,
the second we saw a picture of Jared Lett. I was like,
oh man, I don't know if I get excited for the same thing as
Plagas. It's like, I want to be excited. I love the idea
that character and what it could lead to, and we talked about like he
could maybe be taking out kym here and stuff. But it's like in the
hands of these writers, are we just gonna be mad next season? Is
Taylor gonna be here, bitch because they did x Y and Zra plagas like
the way people are mad about Caddy Mundy. Is Taylor gonna you know,
something's gonna happen. That's why I don't know, so most likely most likely
for me at least. I really like the the Easter Egg for what it
was done in this season. You know, I'm glad he didn't like just
come out of that cave and just fucked up Master Soul or something and then
like I don't know, gets defeated by Venestra. Then he has to go
like his wounds, like it could have been worse, right, like like
it could have been a big inclusion for like the Big finale. But I
really love the idea of just like no, there is like a true master
out there, like in in the darkness that no one really knows about other
than I guess, like what we're assuming Kime here is the only one that's
really dealt with him, or do we not even know that? We don't
even know that, right? I think he could be a fifty to fifty
if he could have been an apprentice that broke away or could just be heard
of him, or he has no idea at all, because I think you're
reading the book I have referred a couple weeks ago. I think they mentioned
the book that play. Guess I don't know about the Pulpit team, but
they know that there's other Sith users out there right in plague is even I
think he had like seven people he's looking at, So it's gonna even be
that stage where he might just be looking at this guy being like, hey,
would this guy be worthy as a power of two situation? Right?
So I really don't know. Yeah, Tenebris. Uh. When Plagus kills
Tenebris, Tenebris lets him know, like, hey, there are other people,
like other Sith lineages out there, but they're not like when he kills
them, so like while he's dying, he lets him know that something really
so really place kills like stabs him and he is dying words no, no,
so how how he how he kills them? In bullet points here a
short notes. So basically they're mining on Valdemnik and basically they're looking for the
cortosis and they find a gas pocket explodes and so the two Sith have to
flee, and so the one the master. I think he's caught like using
the force holding some stuff up the debris classing, and so Plaguea scyes his
opportunity and like brings the rocks down and crushes him. And so then he
uh like approaches him as he's tena versus is like choking out and bleeding out
and dying, and Tennibish just kind of like commends him for doing what he
didn't think he would be able to do and then tells him like, Okay,
you know you're gonna be So they're gonna come after Yeah he said,
up a bitch details and basically they're gonna come after you. Now there are
others, there are other dark side users out there, but respect to Tenebris,
so give them the information on the way out. You know, didn't
have to. So this is the way you said. H'm like, that
can't be it, But I guess that's it. Got that info while he's
dying. So yeah, continue Kirkling, Uh yeah, so continuing if he
knows Kymer you're talking about that, Yeah, Like I I like that.
We don't know that right now too, Like I I I feel like I
don't know. I have some holdbacks with Kymier in general as just a character.
I really like the performance at least what the actor has been doing with
the character. You know, keep shouting out those arms with you when he's
got like the cloak on with the helmet. I love that look. And
ye like I's pretty jacked. It's tough every time they do the show,
he's gonna have to be in like great shape now because we all see these
arms. Well, you gotta you gotta be read. It's a huge jacket.
Every time he's like, yeah, like pumping away, that's gonna be
the guy plays Kymer, you know. Nd so oh yeah, I have
some hesitations with the character in general, just with how he's written and kind
of the way that he just carries himself. I don't know, It's it's
tough because on one hand, it's it's a sith nlike one I've ever seen
before, and I just don't see him as like this true powerhouse as maybe
he's supposed to be written out to be. Who's that on the prime heer?
Whoa take you look like a bit of a bitch? Signs of it?
I could kick his ass. So yeah, Like, on one hand,
like I have those hold backs of the character. But on the other
hand, it's like, Okay, well, I also haven't seen a Sith
character like this before, so like maybe this is gonna be some good storytelling
of one that like right now, I don't truly believe that he's fully like
engulfed in the dark side, like like like he likes to portray that to
Osha, but like I don't know, like he just he seems to be
attached to Osha in like a Jedi master sort of way. And I don't
know, maybe I'm just maybe I'm misunderstood and in how that dynamic should go.
It's just it's different than what I'm usually used to seeing. So that
so that's where it's like, I don't know if it's a pro orcon,
it's just it's different. So how did I get that? Oh? Yeah,
with Plagas, I I would love to get, you know, for
next season some sort of interaction with those two of just kind of Plagas's perspective
on the situations that are going out and if he is impressed that he's looking
for apprentices of his own or if he's fucking pissed off. It's and because
it is deviating from like the rule of two. It's I guess his own
version. But like, if this is supposedly Plagas's apprentice, I I can't
imagine Plagas would be too impressed, right, Like, usually if an apprentice
is doing that, it is in secrecy. Is they're trying to build up
their strength to take on their their master. And if Plagas is seeing this
here, I don't really know how he would how he would react. So
a lot of a lot of questions there, and as you mentioned, we
also don't know even if that is a dynamic, like maybe he is just
scouting out people right now. Maybe Plagas is looking at Osha over Chymier right
now, like we don't know that. So all of those questions are what
make it intriguing. But it Yeah, I got admit, it was fucking
sweet to see him in that cave and just be like, holy fuck,
like we finally get a live action Oh man, look at those fingers music
like a chameleon. Right, It's like kind of like it felt like some
of the exical music, like not exactly like the way they've been Yeah,
the pimpel the cal renzme for no reason that I'll be answered. Yeah,
all right, cool. I don't know what, but yeah, I was
like, in the orchestra, the orcra, what am I trying to say?
Orchestral orchestral music? Yeah, because at first I thought when they're like,
oh my god, is that him just fucking moaning, like where's the
his other hand? But no, he it was it was the music.
His hand fucking blends in those rock picked up because they not made him another
shade of brown. Is this like, is this like like boosted brightness or
something? Yeah, I buved the brightness. Okay, yeah, it kind
of looks like ebony maw here he with the no nose voltemort nose. But
yeah, it was a sweet scene. Nonetheless, Yeah there. Oh man,
I was just over the moon scared the ship at everyone in my house
like it was weird to he was just watching, That's exactly it. Medicine
was Hans and that gifts when he's just like looking at it. It just
it really caught me off guard because the two of them were leaving and then
the scene just pans like to the cave with them in the distance, and
it started to feel dragged on. I was like, Okay, what are
they doing here? And yeah, then you see like the fucking smiegelhand creeping
on the rocks, like oh oh, and yeah, then it just shows
plagas like oh my god, it's fucking great. But any regular Joe Blow
that's watching this show, they don't know who that is. They don't know
what Mune people are. Yeah, they're they're watched this, like what the
fuck? And I thought, okay, to put this in now. Halfway
through the episode, they got to have some exposition at the end or something
to kind of give the regular fan base a little bit of context to this,
and I convinced myself of that. So I was very disappointed because that
didn't happen. I thought it was just gonna be this. I didn't think
we'd get more right now. But you don't know if it's just an island
inhabitant, some creepy voyeur in the cave, like, no one's gonna know
who this guy is, right, And I think that's a shame. I
think they need to add a little context now. It's different when we get
to the Yoda thing. It's they're doing the same context here, but the
Yoda is very different because anyone sees that little guy, they know who he
is. But this guy, no one knows who Darth Plagas is. I
mean even the ga that knows Star Wars and was watched Revenge of the Sith,
and they, you know, they don't know what Darth Bags looks like.
The only way you know is if you've picked up this this book right
here, and you you gave it a ready. I guess you know that
too. Yeah, the only way is this book that I it's so like
terrible. I can't believe they put him in. Could you not say obviously
way different, more successful scale? But could you not say the same thing
about Thanos and Avengers one? No one know who the fuck that guy was
back at Yes, but that was an end credit scene, right, So
do you think this would have been fine if they swapped as an end credit
and he talks too? I think you get to learn he doesn't talk.
He doesn't talk. He does that, remember, he smiles, He just
smiles. There's like an over like like, isn't the guys the guy's walking
up to him saying Loki failed all this kind of stuff, and then the
guy like, yeah, that's fine. It sets up context. No no,
no, because and here you don't know if this guy is and what
relationship he shares with Chymere, right, and that's what we were talking about,
Like, is he Chimer's master? Is he seeing Kimer as a threat
witch? In the book, Plagas sees that, like when when Venomus comes
after Plagus and Plagas learns, okay, Venomus was what he said in the
audiobook, he says Venomus's. It throws the off a little bit because I'd
say venomous, but he says in the audiobook, yeah, So he basically
he learns, okay that Tenebris had him and then Venomus as his apprentices.
Now the thing is, though, he learns that Venomus had basically done scout
work and found a bunch of other potential dark Side Forest users that could be
either apprentices or we're just you know, doing their own things. So you
have some that are you know, they're doing their own thing, and basically
Plagus goes out to scout them and see what's what. And so maybe that
fits with with this one and tracking out Chyme here, but we'll have to
see again, they don't have the proper context of what's going on, and
I don't like that he's such a big character for the die hard fans,
and I feel, again we don't get that season two then we really should
have had some some sort of dialogue and just I don't need him to talk
necessarily, but have like have have sitting on have like a high pitch boye
and he's like, hey, where are you going? Like he's from the
kid, remember that pirate lord and at World's end on the meeting and he
has the guys talking for him and then he finally talks with the high pitch
voice. Yeah, but I think though they should have what they should have
done at the end is they should have had Osha standing up on the ridge
looking over the ocean and Kymier walking into the cave. And you don't even
have to show like he's my friend. Yeah, just have Kimer say something
into the cave like all right, Master, she's with us now or something
like that. But that you're assuming that they're together, like we talked about,
that might not be a situation, right, he might just be scouting.
He might be killing. So like if that's in their story for season
two, he can't look, hey, Master, I got the way ocean
with us. The way he crept around that cave makes me think that he
is. Yeah, he's he's he is, uh saying I wouldn't go that
far, Like it's tricky, like you're I'm with her master. So what
you're saying, well, yeah, because hypothetic. I would love it if
that was the case. I'd love it if Plagas was his master. But
I feel like the way he's creeping around that cave kind of shows like maybe
he is stalking. Maybe he is fine, because I feel like if he
I think he showed up when Kimier was not there because I remember they've not
been there that long. We got the flashback episode, but they landed,
Osha woke up, they had a day, they had the naked swim,
and then she put on the helmet. They've not been there for that long,
So it could be realistic that while he's gone whatever situation, whether he's
scouting or it was his apprentice, he betrayed him, which I don't know
if we're going to go that route, because it might be weird to have
Venestrous be oh, like they're doing the same storyline then right off, he's
an apprentice that's fallen out with two people. There could be something there that
links them maybe, but it's that would be weird of well, is Veinestra
right, Yeah? Vnestra and Chymer had a falling out and then oh he
had another master and that all set of falling out. You could worry that
the storylines might be too similar and double each other. So that's where either
way, I do think he's I don't think Kimer knows he's there. That's
what I'll say. I'll go with that whenever we go. I don't think
it's an act of like I'm working on getting because if it's a rule too,
why would he just be chilling? Like I hope there's someone You need
to do this tailor. You need to make that meme quick before someone else
does it. You need to make the top image of Chymeer swimming naked,
and then the bottom image Plague is out there in the cave watching. Okay,
you gotta get that out there in the eighth there, because I just
love the whole day he's watching and he's like, what the fuck is he
gonna naked? Like hey, I would love to hear Plagues this whole going
on, like oh, I always love to put as a cock out man.
But I don't think that they are in a master prentice situation. No,
I would agree, and I feel like to from the book sense and
all I have to basis on is the book. I have no other proper
foundation here. Now, he's he's exceptionally good at just hiding his uh self.
He's in the cave. He's a master of disguise. Yeah, he'll
never find me in here. But he's good as hand. His hand as
the same close over camouflage, his h his ability to mask his essence in
the forest. I think that's what really gives him power. Because he's out
talking to Jedi night and day, right, Like he's out in the public
eye playing the masks. Yeah. Yeah, he made books in the book,
in the book, Yeah, basically he's the he runs the mask holdings.
So he's basically on the forefront talking to Jedi and he like this is
where Palpatine learns to be the the kind of politician he is. He's out
in front on as a Sith though. To clarify that, right, women,
Al, what's that on your hold? Oh? Nothing there? But
okay, so he's a different job. Like he's he's out in the public,
but you know, he represents the banking clan basically that's what the munes
are all about. As we learned in like Attack of the Clones and whatnot.
He's got that money, he's got he's got the money. Yeah,
so it's that's another thing too. If you feel like, wouldn't they detect
plagas well, you could say, okay, if Plegas is Kymer's master,
then Kymier is choosing to just he knows that he's there and is accepting it,
or if he's not there or sorry, if he's not his master,
then Plegas is just masking his his abilities, because that would make sense why
Osha can't detect him either, or May couldn't detect him either. But now
we also have to think, okay, what if in retrospect, Ah,
well, no, that doesn't make sense because the way Kimer was talking like
he would always refer to the master as the master. And then did we
ever get like May just was afraid of Kimer in his metal like in his
Cortosi's armor, But the way Kimer talks as well, it just I don't
know, maybe I'm overthinking and we're looking at I don't think. Yeah,
I think it's just that it's the May the May Osha Kimer thing. I
think the Kymer and Osha part that's the strongest, and that's clear of what
their relationship is. Right, He's a dark side user. She's starting to
tear the dark side. He's tempting her a Nagin trainer that we've seen that
before and not really much in movies, like we talked about before, I
always have to end point, but we've seen that one on one in video
games and books. Right of Okay, he's the guy like you know,
shaking the shiny toy. I think the problem with May is I still like
she had such a weird relationship with Kymier, where when we first met them
it felt like they were partners. To then seem like she was scared of
him to this episode when he shows up, like she doesn't like at the
end when that yellow tree, she doesn't even like react to Kimer, like
not even like a step back like worried. It's just like, hey,
dude, what's up. Like they're like much like May we talked about every
every three episodes she changed the directory which she was going. So it's hard
to talk about May and Kimyer's relationship because just like May and Osh, it's
all over the place, like this episode again they're fighting to the death and
then they're running away together hold in the hands. It's like, what,
Like none of this is justified. So I think it's hard to talk about
like Kimyer's relationship with May and like a way how it would pertain to Plaguas
because we didn't get we didn't get enough of it. I wish we got
more of that, but I think they were so obsessed with like trying to
do a reveal with Kimier. I wish that reveal just happened like the end
of episode one and then just go again, same thing. Put everything two.
Episode one is a pilot and episode five is like episode two where Chimer's
out there just destroying everybody. Because I just feel we've not a waste of
time, but I feel like the twins were kind of a waste of time
in my opinion. I guess just the more the writing sense of it.
But before we going John throughout the maybe plays will kill Kymer and take Osha
as apprentice. Maybe, but I don't if that happens. I want if
the show continues more near the end game, because I think Kimier is the
most interesting part of the show. So for me, if you kill off
him, maybe Plagus could become more interesting. But I'm just saying what we
have now the players, My interest drops greatly if Chymeer bites it, you
know, in a kind of just move, like if if he's just there
to be a stepping stone to us to get to play against. I kind
of like Darth Maul and Phantom Menace. I don't want that. I'd like
Chymier even if it's like players does kill him, but he survives again,
like a like a Dark Scion situation, you know, something like that.
So I for for Chymere, I I don't know. I it's probably just
with what's been shown so far. But I, as I was saying in
the spoiler free section, like because this is such a different version of a
air Quote sith Master that I've seen in the past, I'm intrigued just for
story wise reasons, but for what breadcrumbs they laid out for him right now
that Okay, he's just like a former apprentice of an Estra. She did
something sketchy and then that's kind of what pushed him away. Like, I
just feel like that's every fall to the dark Side story that they've done so
far in live action more or less might be hyperbolizing, but it just seems
like like been there, done that. I don't know, it could spin
in a direction that is a lot more interesting than what's been laid out,
But I'm a lot more intrigued in just the perspective of the Osha character of
this is like her starting her dark side journey and like we see her bleed
the Kyber crystal, and now what's going to be happening going forward from that
point? To me, that that is the most important part. I I
do like the chemistry that her and Chimeer have. It's it's really just because
I think of the actors like so far, like as you mentioned, like
yeah, like they really haven't interacted much like I was, so I like
I like audibly gasped when like how quickly that sequence happened of like the cliffhanger
of two episodes ago where she puts on the helmet and then he just like
takes off the helmet and then they just like they just go find soul and
like that's that. Like I thought that was gonna be like a big existential
crisis moment for Osha and like him really like maybe telling a personal story to
just kind of get that bond. We didn't really have any of that dialogue,
and what little dialogue we had it was very surface level and as as
you laid out, like when they're at the tree at the end, like
it's almost like she doesn't even like like she doesn't even really like acknowledge that
he's there. Obviously again, like that is a high, but it's it.
It may as well not be there. It seems like you see GI
And what I hate is like I feel like that was so mixed. You're
you're hitting it on the head and that's what that's why I was saying non
spoils. They describe the show as you're looking in twenty twenty point dark side
point of view pretty much, it sounds like that's what's gonna be an act,
like you're gonna follow being paraphrasing with the exact words they use, but
you're gonna follow someone's descend into like the sith madness in a way seeing that
for our arts and we're finally getting that cool and that's again I hate the
whole setup. Season of season two is that great? We still have another
side of it, which I'm like eh, but okay, that season too.
But what I hate is this is where I feel it's all over.
Why they Why are they playing inspiring music during that tree scene with May and
Osha, It's like she is deciding to go with Soul to be a Jedi.
Whatever you feel about Soul, many did she fucking murdered him, She
choked him out, And I feel like, unfortunately, I will say it's
direction or it was the actor and the actress in this fault. I feel
like May had no motion that the entire scene, like they told her just
to watch, and like, how should I react? Just watch? Like
is she upset about this? Is she happol? This is mad? Just
blank canvas the whole time. And I said, when they get to that
tree, I don't feel like I should be feeling good about this situation.
And even if it's a get because like, oh, we're telling from the
bad guy's point of view, I do understand that, but again it's a
bad example, right, but and breaking bad when Walter would start to do
those things, you understood why he did him, but he didn't feel good
and they weren't playing fucking inspiring music when he's poisoning kids, where he's stealing
things like that thing where it's like, oh, like, I get,
you're doing a thing of you're showing us the progression of Oh, this is
the way the character's going. But we shouldn't feel good about this because like,
are they trying to pitch? And this is what some people with the
whole older destroying Star Wars saying. I think that was hyperbolic. But the
way that they made it seem like Jedi were the uh, the antagonists and
the Scyth where the good guys was a weird take. In this finale,
you can still make Osha become a Scythe and make that choice, but establish
that this is not a good thing, because I would imagine like, did
Jeckie deserve to die? No? Did fucking your no? And that's where
it's just like she is now with the guy that did those things. I
get you can even get me on soul the Oki. Don't forget about the
other Jed and probably random people along the way, right, innocent people that
got in his waist. It's like, for me, the music choice and
editing choice and the story choice was all over the map. Even Chymier in
a moment, I felt like they were like making him feel a little less
like evil, which was it was a whole odd ending. So I liked
in the last shot of them holding lights there and holding hands, like I
think it is more of a sexual relationship or might get to it. But
I thought that scene was all over the place for as far as what they
want to make you feel in it. So no, I completely agree,
Like I I I was just I'm hesitant to use baffled, but like I
kind of was when they're having this like emotional scene where Osh's saying goodbye to
May because she's gonna follow her dreams and go train with this person, Like
you could just edit Kimeier out for Soul and it's so much more believable of
the Yeah, this is your destiny. This was never her fucking destiny.
She never looked at her mom and said, mom, can I become a
Sith and just kill innocent people? Can I do that? Yeah? And
amazed, like go, go, this is you, this is your journey.
It's like, what the fuck is happening here? It's just like not
like the visual I guess of like her and Chimer at the end, like
looking up to the sunset holding hats, but it's all myself. This is
just so strange, like this should be a Jedi perspective, I believe.
I think your example of the Breaking Bad One was was fantastic because you could
have this and the same way with different type of music and a different vibe.
Where Like for me, I would fucking eat it up and I love
it, but like for you know, a general audience member, they could
still watch it and be like, damn, that's dark, but like,
damn good story writing, and like, I am excited to see this story
go forward, and I'm excited to follow this character even though they are dark
and evil. It just and they establish that we're still gonna follow a good
guy Jedi next season. It's not like I don't like that. I know
we'll get there. But it's not like they just ended on let's say may
die just osha. I could understand them being like, as Disney, we're
worried about having as Sith as the main character. I'm just saying Sith,
so we're gonna make it seem not more ten to me, it's tender to
me. It's like it's like a cartoon kid version of what a syth is.
Like the way they end that, but I could see some point of
view of hey, don't go so hard on them being evil killing innocent people.
Maybe get there, but spin it in a positive way because she's our
only main character. Go. But they set us up with Light Side Jedi
again, what May is gonna be doing in Venestra. So it's just like
I imagine it will be two leads again and there's a dark side and the
Light Side. So it's odd that why they kind of like, to me,
they made this syth like very watered down, that hole what it means
to be a sith, what it becomes to be a sith, because I
thought the setup with her was great. With I hate the bleeding lightsabers,
me and Tariff talked about to death. I think it's a weird, kooky
Harry too, Harry Potter, like of your Soul's highlights air. No,
I don't think it's all lame stuff. That's a personal opinion. But whatever
is can now, well, yeah, it's not George's cannon, so it's
Dizzy that's cannon. Yeah, So I don't count it for me, but
for Disney shure we're playing the Disney Sandbox, right, I think that was
great of soul's talking. All of a sudden, he's choking, you see,
And again I don't like her being able to choke right away, but
I'm throwing it outside. She does that, you can see her getting mad,
and to me, her emotion in that scene did not fit the rest
of her actions throughout the way of her and oh, like all that anger,
It's like if Anakin killed Mace Windu and he is emotional, right,
but the second against Knighted, he's killed the kids, he's going through like
he's angry and he's still crying, but it just would have felt like he
did that and they went right back to being Anakin Skywalker. So it felt
like they gave her this big moment of oh she's turning and not really,
She's still the same character, but now she's using a red light saber.
It's like, oh, well, that's disappointing. Cool. So my counter
to that is her ask for one, don't give me her reasoning for I'm
basically joining Kim. Here was that Kyri was still gonna kill his sister no
matter or kill her sister no matter what. That was his plan. That's
why he was going I didn't say that though, No that's what the whole
thing was. Like. He was following her to get to May because that
was his failed apprentice, right, that was that was his target, and
so he wanted to kill her. And that's why she's like, if you
let her live, al, I'll let you train me. And that's that
was the deal that said. So I was, okay, I'll wipe her
memory and there you go. Yeah, I can be with you on that
one. We didn't. I didn't complain about that, but I can be
with you there. Well, you're complaining about the theme, right, the
music that she had trying to justify her actions. I guess, well,
yeah, but but I don't killing But yeah, why is it like a
like up, like really inspiring music for someone turning into a sieth. Well,
the moment that they're at the tree, I think was supposed to be
lighthearted and like but the second Kymer walks up, that should shift. It
should not be that music, should imagine? Should I When Kylern's trying to
get ray and use that music there, it would be completely a different scene
because it would paint Kyla Rent as the good guy, which I don't think
Kimer is the good guy here. I don't think so, even if he's
a fair character, he should not be the good guy. No, he
shouldn't be, not after the things he's done. And it's it's interesting,
Well even they're trying to make May the good guy, and May after what
she's done, She's killed three two Jedi and gotten a bunch of others killed
because of her actions. But when you see, uh, let's say,
with Kaimer, he's he is kind of like a conflicted character. But I
mean, even when you look at how the Syth operate and they're so charismatic
and they're so like they pull you in, they draw you in with how
friendly they can be and they talk. But even when after she agrees to
be his apprentice and he goes up and holds her hand, like there's something
there that makes him different. Like I'm just I'm trying to figure that out
because I think it seems out of place from what we've seen before. Well,
do you not think this is what we would have got with Kylo and
Ray though if Ray joined him? Oh probably. I was always obsessed with
like take my hand Ray, right, So I feel like this is and
I'm always down for that. I feel like the writers of the show liked
that idea, and when well, what if we can do it? Also,
we can't do it with a big character like Ray because that's a Skywalker
and you know, really a pulp team. So I feel like that's they're
hitting on a a because I could believe that's like a it's a Sith Act
kind of way, right, if you grow emotion or even love somebody,
or even if you're like just kind of you know, fucking somebody, depends
on what shit I asked. I wouldn't say it's a sad thing. Okay,
it's not a Gedi act, That's what I'll say. No, yeah,
it's it's it's not a Jed act either. Yeah. But even though
I'm not saying, the second you get sex, you're just like, oh,
but the way Kimier the way Kimer responded at the beginning to write,
when Osha uh, she was having her her blackout inside the helmet and Kimer
just like panicked and when charged at her was trying to use the force,
which I actually liked the scene because then he was going through some crazy shit
and he was trying to like force like bring her back, which is pretty
cool. But that seems like a, it's very, very different. Where
he asked, he had the same question directed towards May, and May as
he said, just was like, yeah, I'll join you without even a
second thought. I feel like the difference between these two relationships as May was
recruited with him being in Sith helmet mode and Osha is recruited with him being
yeah naked, right yeah. And also Osha has learned the live soul too,
right, so she has that powering her as well. Where May did
know, well, I guess May did know that, which doesn't explain why
May, in the middle of the season decides she was gonna turn herself in
and not. And I thought they were gonna It's so weird because I thought
they were gonna do the whole They literally ask, Hey, May, what
are you gonna do with Soul. Well, I'm gonna take him back.
He's gonna explain, you know, actually, let's take an adbreak because we're
going on another tangent. Let's take another ad break. Yeah, all right,
so we are back. So he's like, hey, Soul, you
did bad stuff. I'm gonna take you back. I want you to pay
for your crimes. I want the giant council hereabouts everybody. We're gonna know,
people are gonna know the Jedi. They make some mistakes and the doing
some fucked up stuff, right, and then Osha is the other route,
right, I'm just gonna force show him, kill him may as usual,
no objections, no objection to this, doesn't care now, like oh,
I want to make it like why even I got I see super bad a
super bad my explaining about Jackckie, which I'll get there too. It's just
a similar row of why even make her do this speech in the middle of
the scene if you're just gonna kill Soul and she's not gonna be opposed or
feel anything about it. So I thought they were going with, oh she's
again. May she just fucking changes on a dime, But she is gonna
be mad her sister like, no, he should have. He was our
ticket to show people the Jedi fucked up and look what they did to our
family. And you just took him away, And I thought that's gonna be
a switch, But no, she kills Soul and then they just run away.
I laugh. At one point when the Jedi run it's a weird kind
of time here just puts on his helmet and he's just gone from the scene.
We didn't see him run or anything. He's just like he's just he's
just he's just left. It's just like you. And he's like where he's
going. So again, May, it's just like they this character is.
I will put it against any other mainstream Star Wars character, like one of
those poorly written all over because why why why even make her say that?
I don't understand it. I can't understand. I I completely agree with you.
I I thought it was gonna lead to some confrontation between May and Osha.
It's like, oh, man, like we like we did it,
we made it at the end of the road. Here they're totally switching positions
and and OSHA's or sir h yeah, May is gonna stop Osha from doing
this act and that is going to I think push them away or maybe like
redeem May bring her back. I I still thought there's no way Master Soul
was making it through the season, though I'm not pretty sure he was doomed.
And they on them, those bastards, I know, dude, slimy
little Jedi, like fuck those bastards. But uh yeah, and then and
then Osha is just like yeah, I'm just gonna force choke you, and
like May like maybe I'm maybe I'm like just picturing things in my mind.
But like I swear May is like smiling too, as OSHA's just fucking You've
choking this guy out and who she was wanted to take in. Yeah,
I I'm kind of with Travis too on like her just for choking him.
I like I get it, the anger is just doing it and like maybe
she can't fully control it. But like Master Soul is like he's a master
as well, Like I don't know, I was like he was he was
just ready to take it right, yeah, And I think that's what allows
me to kind of look past that. But at the same time, she
was so weird where like his last words are like it's okay, like like
some hope, like don't worry, I forgive you. But like again,
it's like it's not like she's like it's not like she's like turning from this
moment like wow, he forgives me, Like she's ready to just go to
the dark side and just like fuck he's Jedi. And yeah, I thought
all of that was very strange, and it was on part it was on
part for how messy, especially the May stuff is, but just like the
season in general. But no, it was it was weird. They It's
like they were they were trying their best versus to make it feel like a
villain would say it's okay and then you kill him. But it's like,
again, what happened with Soul, Like other than the child, it was
still like he made a mistake. It's not like then. I wish they
would want harder and he did, like really kill them like you a big,
bad way, but he didn't. So now, I again, as
I said earlier, I was expecting Plegas to pop up at some point again
in this episode. So when we see the ship fly over and so it
was like that here for you, and uh, Kymer is like no,
they're actually here for you or whatever. And I'm thinking, man, this
is gonna be Plaguas. And so when everyone all the Nights of Ren and
then we're getting twenty Jedi, We're just get a big fucking battle. It's
red. He was just blaring at like a hundred selling the prologue of fellowship
just like that of a battle. Yeah, so young and he's there.
You have Kymer, May and Oshaw staying around soul, and they're all kind
of looking at each other, and the force choke like his soul starts choking
out, and Kymer is looking like kind of confused at it too. I'm
thinking, oh, man, okay, uh, is this plagus like it's
gonna walk out of the shadows here? Just forced choking soul, which in
retrospect it would make no fucking sense on his ear just getting involved. But
I would have loved that. I had a different Both times. I was
psyched out because I thought when we saw the hand the first time in the
cave, I thought it was gonna be the Zabrick mom because we still never
found what happened to her, right, so I thought, and I'm happy,
I'm not surey to have places. I really don't need that character bag.
And then I thought she was I thought she was one choking him again
there, that she was hiding because why I shared that gift of you,
I shared a gift of a guy throwing his chair like across the room.
I at first thought that they were doing what you would pitch weeks ago too,
that when Kimier's eyes went black, I thought they were gonna reveal the
moms when controlling the whole time, and I was like, fuck, man,
if you do this this like this, I will put it below.
Boba Fett don't like because I like, do not do Winter Soldier on the
most interesting character. I still I'm guessing that's just he was tapping into some
But why would he do that again? Because that looked dentical to the witches.
I thought it was actually like like a I took it as it was
Osha because she started to go on loosey goosey, and when he was trying
to tamper into it, then Osha was fucking with his head because he was
changing into a different realm which looked like brand Week. Yeah that's exactly.
Yeah, that's exactly I saw him to wake up every night, man fucking
Torments want to go to course On start this whole fucking thing. Soul is
now a criminal because Torman fucking missed his toilet at home. The guy,
he's a Jedi. Their job is to go explore the galaxy. You a
young Jedi. He wants glory. Though he wants glory, he doesn't he
want to just go to course On. Where's the glory there? But even
then he's talking No, he's talking to his other compatriots like he wants to
do something important as a Jedi and he feels like this isn't important. Somebody,
man, I can't evenrub on ol because you guys are all around.
I just want to get right. Just the hot was waiting for me,
so I I I al just want to touch upon the lightsaber bleeding. I
think it was really cool to see that on screen. It's it was an
interesting kind of thing when they introduced it, and I didn't know how I
felt about it. I just assumed. I can't remember how Lord Lucas had
it in Legends. It's just you go and just find crystals. Oh yeah,
No, it was just you just go and find it, like it's
simple. There's like artificial kyber crystals initially, like like they were made as
opposed like natural ones. Unless I don't know, maybe that's another legend story
or something. Maybe I have no idea legends within legends, like I feel
like that was legends, And then Disney brought up this thing which every time
I hear about bleeding a crystal, you know, are you fucking kidding me?
Mos hokey lame shit? Ever in mind, there there thing they're mo
o with it. If case the listeners aren't familiar is that crystals are basically
through the force. They're they're living. They're able to tap into that as
a Jedi. And so when you are fucking pissed and angry and just letting
out all your hatred, you're bleeding a Kaymer crystal. And so that's why
it turns red. I fucking hate because Osha in this moment one moment killing
soul and then having hugs and I'm gonna go fuck this crimer guy whatever her
instantly, which is cool. It's a cool shot, like the shot that
the crystal turning to me not liking it instantly turns red. Why does Anakin
Skywalker's lights they were not turning all once he fucking kills Mace Window, all
those Jedi, all those fucking kids the second he chokes padme. That's why
there's flaws with us, And it's fucking stupid. I will stay by all
the time. Anakin's lightstair should be red as the Devil's dick after Revenge just
says, but it is blue to the very end that fucking movie. God
damn, we talked. It's so stupid. He doesn't make it bleed right,
He isn't like there was a moment here where get out of it.
She didn't mean to She's like bleaed please, like she didn't know what that
fucking means. Said in a MILLENNIU, this is Caddy Monday, I mean,
and the in the long run, you can't just have Obi Wan like
Luke, this is your father's lightsaber turns on to Red Blade. That sends
some mixed messages. Oh never mind, never mind. Yeah, but that's
why again I tell you, I don't like when they fuck with Georgia's ship.
You know, George has some bad ship that that's a big because there's
nothing to explain when Anakin's Lightsaber it should be super Red and Revenge of Sith.
It makes no sense, how I agree and retrospect it. It should
have been when she's just mad and it's fucked you know. Yeah, that's
that's the issue when you add new things, right, especially in a in
a prequel type setting, right like this is based I guess it's not a
direct prequel to those those series, but like still this is based beforehand,
so yeah, like it just doesn't line up there, And and then it
says like Vader bled a kyber crystal to get like his actuals like Savor.
It's like, I'm sure what he did at the Jedi was like a million
times more evil than what the fuck he did there, And as you laid
on earlier, Trevi's like it was pure hate, like that's why he did
those things and anger. I guess he choked his pregnant wife. He choke
his pregnant wife, he killed her. He killed his wife, And that's
where dog should have turned red in that moment. Yeah, And that's where
I don't know if I still liked it, but that's something they should have
done the sequels where whether it's Kyler ren Snoke that there's some Jedi or some
force Usic got so mad they changed it, and it's like, oh,
that's something we haven't seen before, right, But then when you start to
think about the stuff we' go on the past, it just it doesn't track
here. And that's why that's always been my problem with the Bleeding and plus,
like I said, I think it just it's too similar to Harry Potter
for me. I like the more scientific route with the lightsabers. They got
enough force within them, the Jedi and sid that all these things they can
do with their powers. I like the fact that this inanimate object is like
turning into something. It's just not not my boat. Baby. Here the
best explanation I can find, No, uh no, it's a ritual.
Basically, you have to be intentionally like doing it to your lab if you're
just using if you're just well, she was intentionally like pouring her rage,
and like the way she's seeing like using her saber and she's getting angry,
and the chyder Crystal's picking it up, and the sense where if you just
use your web lightsaber to kill people, it's not gonna be bleeding. It's
kind of like Marchion Roe using his saber to kill people. It's not gonna
turn red because he's yeah, but he's just using it to kill yeah,
because he's like, but Martian Rose doesn't have the force. Well, we
don't know, yeah, he doesn't have the four he's pulling out high Republican.
That also doesn't make sense, Kirkling, because it's a force non force
user that just uses lightsaber as a Jedi. It doesn't make sense. It's
stupid. It's a plot hole. They should never done it. Super Mike
says, Yeah, I guess fuck Jeckie. Rh huh. Why even they're
plannning a seat with Ocean and having her connection with Osha just gonna immediately team
out with her murder right after she died, such a ment and that's the
thing this is within I'll give them the benefit out. Maybe forty eight hours.
I think it's twenty four because they left that thing right because what it
was she made as the swap cuts her hair, OSHA's knocked out, Kimer
kidnaps her, she wakes up the next day, and even when they left
this plan on this episode, it was still daytime, right, so you
could argue that it hasn't even been twenty four hours since he has fucking myrtalized
Jackie and they've they're playing this music of like this is like this is your
destiny to kill people like Jackie. So yeah, it doesn't really make much
sense to me. We'll get into the May thing of John says, I
don't think May will become lights. I think Vanessa's just using her. I
disagree because I have a theory. But yeah, the Jackie thing, Yeah,
it's another weird thing again the show. Either they need to take stuff
out of it, or they need to go to Luke's film and say,
hey, we need another half an hour to flesh out this and this and
this. But so I did some digging in the synthetic red kyber cre soul
that was like a legend's story. So when the canon version, I guess,
is this new bleeding type thing? And I don't know. I like,
I don't know what version I prefer. I don't like the continuity ver
like what you know what we were just talking about of like why didn't happen
with Anakin. I did like the scene overall. I thought like visually it
was really cool of just again like she is just pure, like pure using
the force for hatred and like tapping in the dark side there, and especially
that it is such a personal thing when she's like finding out that this guy
killed her mom. Like I did like the whole circle event then that's why
it led, especially like his specific kyber crystal that he like, that's the
crystal that he grabbed to make his own lightsaber, right, So like I
did like all the ties there. I feel like in the I don't know,
Like I I think I need to stew on an overall on my overall
feeling of synthetic versus like the bleeding method. I feel like for the synthetic
thing, I feel like it's it doesn't really make sense when you think of
like every dark side or like Sith user, like having read like I feel
like there'd just be one person. It's like I don't want to read one,
like I want to fucking I want to pink one. I guess the
context right because to me, if it's like the rule of too, that's
where I feel like I buy because it's like a tradition, right, it's
like a religious thing. Where for the bleeding, no, just get the
bleeding out here. Yeah, just the color just like the red, right.
I think it's tougher when it's like, yeah, why the knights ren
have red? But then you can just kind of I go, well,
his grandfather had red, so that's why he would want that tribute, right,
Like to me, you'd have to go this far back, which I
would have loved Star Wars force a Licia force Leshia like chimer pull up like
a black lightsaber, you know. Like that's where I think if you're again,
we don't know if he's a Sith or not, but I think if
you're Sith, I'm kind of fine, but I agree with you, like,
why if you're just using the dark side, why would you feel the
need to wear use a red one? But to me, it's just so
far all the ones we've met are Sith or Sith based right or inspired by
Sith, So I would boy like even in Questor or in Questors inquisitors,
they work for the Syth, right, So, oh no, what's he
showing us? I got this? I got Travis? Do you remember this
scene? Travis? Is that yeah? From Star Wars Cannon? What are
you gonna pull off? Here? Dak and Garret? Remember when he see
he's doing it's like a ritual. He's freaking out. And as he's freaking
out, just like Osha was, he's turning his yellow crystal red. Right,
yeah, and I can didn't have time to do this though, right,
So I think no with Oshan, I would give it to you if
Oshan out, But she's literally just holding it, and she has no cognate
sense of what's going on. There's no way you can tell me that she
is actively thinking I'm turning this lights here turn There's no way she's just thinking
about soul in that moment, So that does not track there at all.
She did not pull it out of her lightsaber and play around them put it
back. They haven't seen her literally holding on to it. You're stretching like
the show was stretching, and you know it. That's not the same.
You're like, look at this clip, that's the same, and it's not.
It's a guy like performing surgery in his lightsaber. I think you're calling
tweach his own, tweach his own No, no, no, no,
he pulled How is that seen the same as oh SHA's when through the lightsaber
the lightsaber cracked open, and they emphasized it by showing the Kiber crystal now
showing out of the saber, saying, so you think she saw that and
she went, I'm going to turn this lightsaber. I'm gonna bleaed it.
That's what you think. Attention, not even not even that, Like with
Dag and Garrett, you don't even get that intention either. He's a thing
out and he's like forceholes. He's playing with it and he's getting mad.
He's getting mad. This is terror. This is terrible reasoning again for everything.
So May, yeah, we talked about May. We'll get the soul
and Thenestra two in a second. But May so they they bowed my wife
or mine, and I love that kind of he is like I think I
could do it took him two seconds, Like he wasn't that like for something.
He was like, yeah, just like that was like Obi Wan,
like with the stormtrooper, who's like a simple minded person, right like this
is like May, like May is a lot more mentally there than just a
clone Stormtrooper. And yeah, like I couldn't really look past that. I
was like, are you fucking kidding me? It was just that and and
like like that was his plan and then all these Jedi are like bum rushing
them, and I'm like, there's no way he's actually gonna do it this
fast. Like he's gonna have to take her to like some fucking you know,
like just his cave. I guess where he has some like things to
like really focus on this ritual. Just just a little finger wave and that
was that and yeah, fuck off off Wa And to me, it was
such like an easy way out because what I what I'll disagree with Jon,
you said that I don't think May will become light side. I think Vanestra
is using her yes, but I think the reason she will be is because
I wish they didn't do it this way. But I think they're doing Darth
Reven with her in a sense where she's gonna train, she has no idea
that she killed these Jedi and then big I'm not saying she's becomeing Darth Revin,
but that same storyline. Right, if you start good, you have
very little memory and then boom, stuff pops up. But then as it
depends how you play the game, right, but if you play the game,
the light side is yes, I used to be a Sith, but
I've seen my ways. Even if it took amnesia, I've seen my ways.
I can't go back to doing that. So to me, that was
a super easy and lame way to do it. Too. I thought,
I think that they could not find a good They were not strong enough writers
to get May back on just fully the good side. So what do they
do? They went with the soap opera. Well, let's just wipe her
mind because now next season, of course she could be good because this is
all she knows. Right. So, and I like the Revn storyline,
but I loved I always wish we got in a sense that we met a
character from the start that didn't know that, and we learned that with them,
it's it's not gonna be exciting for me, like for made to learn
these memories. And I was like, we already know. It's like Soul
telling me what happened last episode. It's like I just saw this. So
for me, I think that's what they're doing. She will be light side,
and she'll choose to be light side despite of her dark side maybe you
know past or actions and yeah, I wish because they did say ahead and
I'm like, I'm a fan of Nights Oll Republic, so second that happened,
I was like, oh, this is this is Nights of Old Republic
one on one, and I think they're doing that and much like plagueas for
me, that's like a eh, you guys, for me, don't deserve
the right to do this storyline. Yet maybe I'm wrong. Maybe season two
they kill it and they prove me wrong. But again we're already off on
a bad foot where it's if they've revealed the trick to us, like that's
what I think, and then ah, yeah, I just don't know what
other exciting routes could be out of that and that's who will fall. I
guess it's her and Vernestra, who I'm not. I don't. Vanessa just
doesn't do it for me, acting wise, writing wise, it's just it's
not working unfortunately for me. I'm there with you with Finestra. Can you
imagine if the show was completely different and we're just following like mayor Osha,
we just think it's the one character, and like these murders happen or something's
going on, and she's starting to have these like psychotic type moments of like
I don't know what's going on because we are picking up the show from like
in amnesia type character, and then she's like seeing herself do these things,
and then it's revealed that like there's another version of her that could be that
could be crazy to have those moments, what could have been right? But
yeah, no, I I don't trust them to do that story, especially
that it is so near and dear to like all of our hearts, Like
we love that story. We love the character of Revin and the side characters
that are introduced on that adventure, and I think that story is really intrigued,
like especially the Revin amnesia story, Like it's so intriguing without it even
being a video game, and like going through that experience as a player,
Like, it's just a really fascinating type concept for what we've seen already with
Star Wars. And it's it's complex as well, right of a character that
maybe was a line on certain avenue and then switched or maybe didn't. I
guess it depends on the play through, but it's complex in a sense of
I don't trust this team to do anything basic, let alone, let alone
complex. Yeah, And like that may sound harsh, especially like I don't
think I'm going to fail this show, Like it is very messy, but
I just I want them to keep it kind of basic for for where we're
leaving off right now. I don't want them to over complicate it. Just
have Kimeer and Osha, and I imagine they would do some sort of yeah,
like some sort of time skip. I think that would be for the
next season of not like a big one, but definitely She's gotten a random
mess. You mean Gon and Obi Wan and everything. He's just dead,
just died. In between season one and seasons they jumped everything. We just
jumped to Plagas and uh uh Palpatine, like they don't even show anything that
went down, Like, yeah, I killed those guys. Wasn't that crazy?
Yeah? It was weird. Let me tell you about the time I
saw these two when I was lurking in the case. Yeah, I saw
a bleeder lights there. I could believe it bleeding the lights everywhere. Oh
there, yeah, there you go. There's a nice Yeah, that's great.
Plagas watching kim here just stripped down. Man, that's great. I'll
put that on. I'll use send that to me, I'll use that for
the review. Well I can't. I don't swell for people. Bring that
imagship again more time. So Venestra, I'm assuming is the one that fucking
whipped them, Yes, and then that's like a that's like a Pirates of
the Caribbean thing. Ten lashings. Yeah, Plegas has caught his back,
my back, scratch, taking them from behind and like scratch me, scratch
me, the big pain taller guy. And wouldn't that wouldn't that have be
something isn't in there? For the four she's just jealous of fucking Osha.
He's like, that's my man, that's a story I've never seen before.
Uh tay, what do you think is gonna be happening with May next year.
Do you think we're getting there if we get a season two, do
you think we're gonna begin the the rev and Esque storyline. I think so,
I really really do. Uh I I think I wish that Vernestra was
being handled a little bit better as a character, because there again, like
they're they touched upon her a little bit in the Higher Public books that you
and I have read, and I totally forgot that she's Stellin's apprentice, former
apprentice, and also to Castellan was like best friends and Avar Chris uh Sell
and Gios I think is his full name, So he was friends with Avar
Chris and who's alzar Man. Yeah, so they were like the trio of
best Ride right. Yes. So we also learned too that like Vernestra had
a huge hand and in the Nye Hill stuff too, she was trapped in
the occlusion zone and she gets out of there and all that kind of stuff.
So there's a lot with this character that I wish was done a little
bit better. But she's not even a member of the High Council. And
this show was weird in its writing because it seems to kind of keep the
High Council is like these deities where okay, you have I know I'm sidetracking
from May a little bit, but I'll get back to her. There.
So you have the Chancellor, which is very cool to see the political side
of this. The Chancellor and a bunch of senator doing an inquiry against the
Jedi here basically saying, okay, now we want to do a full,
a full investigation on the Jedi. And I like that exposition of the senator
saying, what happens to one of you guys goes bad? And like who's
going to be there to protect people? YadA YadA YadA, Like you guys
have too much power and your sugarcoating it is being monks or religion and so
forth. And I liked all that. I thought it was great, but
I don't like how Vernestra is basically leading the charge on this. If the
Chancellor and the Senator have grievance, I want to do an inquiry. Vernestra
isn't representing a whole of the Jedi order. I don't know why she is.
It should have been Yoda in that chair, like talking like just anybody
on the couch. That's why he wasn't there, right had They're like,
we gotta puppet like puppet of his head. But yeah, like it feel
like it should be somebody else other than But I guess maybe you get tie
it into their more grilling her about what happened with Soul, I guess.
So they're just also happening to mention that they're gonna investigate. So maybe she's
not there as the had appointment person, but it was not because like in
the Phantom Menace, it's just like they're not the same. You just walk
up, but like you can even in the books, like you can schedule
like a meeting and then go see them, you know, it's not like
they never did once. And yeah, for me, it's also just weird
where I don't like Fault, like she's the good guy character, I guess,
and we're supposed to fall like I like Soul to me is the character
I think we all liked, like I like with them, kind of saying
little Soul was okay, he did some things, but like like not he
didn't actually go in there and kill the witches. One was self defense and
one was again I thought it was a weak reasoning, but still he couldn't
hold both girls right, so both of them were like accidental. He didn't
want He didn't on purpose like take May and like sorry May and throw her
down. He didn't just behead Mother and Nissa in front of everybody. They
were all mistakes. So for me for her to frame him, which I
can't remember who was someone in her chat a couple weeks ago said then I
was like, I don't think we're going on the route. They were completely
right and I was wrong there. But for her to do like all this
shady stuff and saying he pretty much like committed suicide and everything, it's like
they want me to invest in that character of who I want to follow with
May, and I'm not, Like I'm not invested. It feels like I'm
fall like it's fine if we were following the villain, then that's like if
she was a villain and she's done these things covering herself up. But she's
supposed to be one of the heroes of the story I'm rooting for and I'm
supposed to want to follow her after what she did was soul It's like I
don't know. And again, like what it comes back to with the caddy
money thing and one of the Jedi. Know, it's just odd to for
me and what I think. I get that people always go, well,
they were always keeping secrets and they didn't want to know, but just such
a big cover for something that could be, especially after she had the vision
or like she felt her old apprentice there. It's like you're being like,
this is I guess we'll see what happens with Yoda, but I feel like
that's gonna be well, yeah, we haven't talked about about that, but
Yoda, that's like it's not an any credit but it's kind of credit show.
Ends phase of black and then she walks through the door and says,
I need to talk to some important master. I think they're walking on eggshells
there too, Like you think people are meant that Caddy Mondey might have heard
about like a Force user killing other Force users. If Yoda this whole time
like it's your your I get. I think there's a line. And this
is my last point, because I didn't see Kirkling that he's stirring around.
There's a line between making the Jedi blind and make some mistakes and egotistical too.
They are almost just doing a full and cover up job and they're like
the villains like to me and Phantom Menace, they are idiots and their downfall
is their fault. But to make it this point where it's like, yeah,
there's been multiple times where the maybe the Sith popped up, but we
were just like showering. It's like or putting in shadows that I don't I
think that just messes with am Menace too much for me, but that they
do. But that's where it's interesting with Vernestra because she doesn't say or and
it's gonna be very just going to see how this goes because all she knows
that her apprentice turned to the dark side or fell to the dark side.
Now Sith again, I know. You see, if he's in the dark
side, you're user, absolutely a dark side user. But we see here
too knowing that it is worth noting absolutely Vernestra can't be trusted because she's sugarcoating
a lot of things here. The other thing too, is that, uh
yeah, with Kimie falling to the dark side, now it seems like,
Okay, what I'm thinking here is if it is this path forward, this
narrative, Plague is tempted him City of Style Kimer turned on her his master,
and then Vernestra had to fight him in self defense. Not why he's
about the scars on his back and she even she was like, oh,
you're alive, like what, So he got away from her and so forth.
So I think that's interesting dynamics. So she obviously assumed that he was
dead. Now it's too far gone that she can't report this because Yoda might
fuck her up. Who knows, but yeah, it kills her, and
like he does the same thing. Oh, Vanesha took her life. I
don't know what happened. She's just Jedi, you savor, it's red.
It wasn't after all. So I I just think that she's just so far
down the rabbit hole and it's it's this is what's really gonna do it for
so many Jedi. But yeah, she's a it's it's it's interesting to see
how this is going to move forward. Because Kaimier proclaims himself to be a
Sith, that's how the Jedi would approach him. But she doesn't know he's
a Sith. No one knows he's a Sith. All the Jedi afraid of
are other people using the Force that aren't Jedi. As we see that's the
main theme with the witches, right, they're afraid of the the convergence or
whatever the virgence was, that's gonna happen many Yeah, so they're the Jedi
are afraid of that, and they imply it again too with the senators saying,
oh, you guys just use all this power, and what happens if
one of you guys goes awry with it? So that's the main thing that
they're going for here, and Kimyer did do that. He went awry,
which everybody was fan thearing that like a senator whatnot. They thought he was
gonna be the voice of Plagas because he has like a deeper voice. So
I thought was going to be in the room like it was gonna be with
the senator. Oft. I thought we're gonna see like a mune that was
the senator, like immune was standing there and be like, oh my god,
he's under cover. Wouldn't that be? I wouldn't want that because I
feel it would be too much like uh, Palpatine, right if he was
also a senator, Like I feel like that's way too close to the vests
of being like doing the exact same thing again. So but uh, Yeah,
everyone thought he was gonna be maybe the voice of him or Tenebris or
Venomous, and now he's just just a senator. Who'sator? Who it's At
one point, it's funny Venetta. He was talking to Venestra and I can't
remember allline dialogue, but he had like a string of three to four sentences
and it felt like every because he's questioning her, and it felt like every
writing problem I had with the show, because like, what about this?
Why wouldn't you report like all these things where it's like is he just being
like a deadpool and breaking the fourth wall? Because it felt like he was
just actively talking about the bad writing in the show. He wasn't, but
he was just and she had really no answer for it. So it's like,
man, this is a full circle what this show is? So where
am I going with that? Anything? Venestra and her soul sold up?
Framed? And Yoda? How you feel about Yoda the green guy me in
there? I don't really feel anything by seeing Yoda there at all, Like,
if you don't have the budget to have in the show, just don't
even have him in there, and like where's gonna lead? Like but like
where's this gonna lead? Right? Like season two? Is he now going
to be a main character? I highly doubt it. I bet he could
be a care But that's what before you go that, Yeah, I'll ask
you what what would she because you're talking about Vanestra. What woul Vanestra say
to Yoda? Here? Fucked up? Man, fucked up? She just
pulls her lightsaber out and like kills him. But like you're talking about like,
oh it's they say, Okay, it's not a sith use or everything,
But like, what story does she tell him that Yoda's not like suspiciousness
is you know, I mean considering you can get past killing a whole tribe
Tesquan raiders And he doesn't bad and Yoda's the racist piece of ship the raiders
know where the Yeah, I fucking hate that fun That's where I'm from.
Master, Yeah, you're a fucking little bitch. And he goes back to
but what what did say? Keep lying that Yoda's not like thinking Inhanta men,
it's like something's really up because him and Mace Window are quite surprised when
there's talk of red Lightsabert. It's hard to say what she would tell Yoda
because at this point, we don't know what the Chancellor decided, right the
Chancellor just said what happened to Saul and she said, well, Soul took
his own life. We don't know what the decision was, is she I
feel like we could see her saying, like the Chancellor was putting our senator
so and so is pushing for an investigation to the Jedi master, or like
the Chancellor stopped it the Chancellor agreed to it. I think it's either one
of those scenarios, because if if they push and they say we need to
investigate the Jedi, well she's gonna have to tell Yoda, because Yoda will
find out either way. So so you think they're ending with the big teas,
but really it's just gonna be something simple as we're being investigated, and
that's it. It's either that or the unlikely thing, because I don't trust
the writers either. Fucking but I don't trust the writers. Who opens Yoda?
Just Yoda's all whipped up. I can't do Yoda, He's just hanging
one fell. I think the unlikely route, and this is again attributed because
I don't trust the writers with this, is that she would tell him that
Hey, master Yoda, I detected that my former apprentice is still alive and
he felt to the dark side. What are we gonna do? And again
they're not, that's gonna piss people off, because a lot of people out
there, like yourself, are like, oh, well Sith, they know
Sith, now ya the Ada. But again it's not Chimeier. They don't
know Kimeer is that And they blamed it all on soul and there's a whole
disconnect going on with a jem ask it's not. But I think for me,
it's just like in Pantom Mess, it just feels like they think it's
so far apart to have any inkling in one hundred years that even if there's
someone that fell to the dark side, not a Sith, it's still like
it feels less believable now when they're like really surprised, like, well,
remember about eighty years ago there was Vanestra's apprentice fell on the dark Side,
Like this could happen, Like that's where I think they would start preparing again.
Where That's what I like about Maul and Palpatine. They come out of
nowhere. It's just fucking Qui gon is taking Anakin back to the ship and
dark Mouth does a backfoot office speederbike with a red light safer and it's like,
what the fuck is this where now if it's like, oh, yeah,
remember there's been a couple of dark Side sighting and it's like it loses
on that impact again of because then I then it makes them look even dumber.
And it's just it's like the only way I think that like structurally makes
sense going forward is if she just doesn't tell him about I'm here, and
I don't know, maybe she does tell him about that, and Yoda just
doesn't give a fuck about about like any of this, and like, yeah,
that's also like a downer right for just like well, I don't know,
like I I don't know if right now, like that's something that he's
thinking about. And I also don't know Yoda's mind works, like maybe he's
thinking big scale and it's like this is all just a path that leads us
to Luke Skywalker, Like I don't know all about that, but he doesn't
know what Anakin yet, but he's waiting for Luke. He's yeah, exactly,
I don't I don't know if he's a big picture guy or how he
thinks, like I really don't know how he thinks day to day. He
knew about Were sixty six and let it happen. He's Doctor Manhattan. Doctor
man Hadden is like, Hey, billions of people are dead, but we
got peace. So you know what, let's let's roll the tape. So
yeah, and then if if, if she doesn't tell him about it,
I would hope that for season two, if she does keep this a secret,
I hope she gets fucking chopped up pretty early on, like maybe like
maybe she goes and she's making it to the finale. My friend, I
guarantee you Krimeer is not going to kill her the last episode because she also
chokes her out like the exact same way that Soul went out. Yeah,
I'm not trying to do nepotism, but she is the wife of the showrunner.
So that's why I think she's definitely gonna make it a season two finale.
Interesting. Yeah, yeah, that always helps your theories. Yeah,
because I don't know, Like I like, she's already showing very selfish things
which are supposed to not be like the Jedi way right, like it should
be it should be transparent with these things. I get it. Why you
would want to keep certain things to the Senate, maybe like hush hush,
but I don't know, like she doesn't really seem to be like telling other
Jedi, and I guess that's maybe what the Yoda discussion would have been.
But again, like I have issues depending on how that conversation will go.
So I don't know. It just seems and it seems messy like going forward
on how they're they're gonna tackle that, And are you invested in like Vinestra's
a character next season because she's gonna be like I imagine a trainer of May,
right, So that's where I'm for me. It's just like even that,
like the lower stuff aside, I'm just not invested in that character right
now. I I think I can be, but for what was shown,
it's I just I'm definitely not there yet. And like I would mention that
like oh maybe I just I need to read like High Republic novel But you
guys mentioned like those are when she's younger, right, or is there a
novel that like she is in this kind of old young adult stuff. Yeah,
when she's just like pure Padawan or night mode where she's still the learner
and stuff. She ain't she ain't hinde ship from the Council yet. I
guess yeah, Like, I don't know, I could potentially see a really
interesting story where like maybe May is like her secret apprentice. I'm not like,
like I'm not saying she's gonna be a full Sith with this like Jedi,
this this master apprentice type situation. But maybe that's just like her her
secret agent that she just like sends out to like get information and like didn't
really be I don't know, trying to control the situation and keep it hush
hush, and then it just keeps like escalating and becomes this big thing that
eventually explodes. I think that's a pretty interesting story of like a Jed that's
trying to do good but is doing it in a, you know, off
the book sort of way. So what what do what is the Council,
the Republic, whatever, What do they know about May that's here? They
don't know I'm assuming they don't even know she's there, right, Okay,
That's what I'm just wondering, because like what we talked about before, she
has killed two Jedi right even within her Like do they not know she's there?
Are they? Are they gonna play it off like that's Osha still,
Like that's what I'm I'm confused about what they because, especially like he said,
she might have to train her on the down low, because I think
you can't just have her walking around the school the academy and people like who
is this like Osha, Well, we'll remember Osha had a sister, this
is her, Well didn't she kill didn't she kill Master Torvin? And all
this stuff like oh yeah, but or her memory was wiped, so she's
all good, like which is funny because like that's what I'm not saying.
I'm posta because and now a nice of the Republic. They know that.
But the difference was Revin was so powerful they were like, we can use
this star advantage, where I don't think May's that powerful where it'd be worth
it to me. It'd be more like if Kime here got his mind wiped
and she was like, okay, we could use him for good, but
I don't think May is worth the trouble, Like she's probably more worth just
taking out back and putting a bowl in her, you know, in that
point, because she remembers. It's like, well, I just like,
what does she bring the table I get. I guess the only thing is
van Estra did say that she apologized for the Jedi failing her, so I
guess she feels bad about what did happen to her. So there's something I
can latch onto. The tie to Osha that's like a big one race.
And then if she is assuming that OSHA's with Chime here, she obviously wants
to eventually get to Chyme here. So I think it's just like information.
Uh yeah, it's amnesia, but I imagine it's in there somewhere, like
you can you can get those memories back. But uh, like the like,
there definitely is many Jedi that at least know about May and what's been
going on. Like Shiva mentions h when Venicestra's interrogating her, It's like,
wow, they told me that I killed someone I like. And I imagine
if the Jedi are getting investigated, like I feel like they can't really hide
her and if they they wanted to, now would be the time. I
don't know, like like maybe Vnesta's gonna talk to Yoda about that, but
I don't know. I that's where it gets messy because it's well, now
Yoda is is in the in the Fray, and like, why the fuck
didn't he talk about this stuff, right, especially if going forward like plague
us if if he appears again in season two and like, I don't know,
I every Saturday, old friend. I guess he could write to Taylor's
point that some people don't know his plague is like the Dark Plagas. Right,
does he have like a real name, Taylor, Yeah, he go
to mask because his real name, he go to you. He's also he's
also, oh yeah, he go to mask you right? What the fuck
you? This kind of in hand with what you were saying here, So
when you type in he go to mask, you get fucking Bltimore's picture the
Star Wars not even the Cannon book like a Legends book cover, Like why
is it Boldemort? Oh my god? Better known as Dark Plagas. So
good for him. I hope he's banking it up. So so we'll see
what happens with Plague, it's obviously, I guess, And that's probably be
something that pisses off people too. They're gonna think that this is where he
gets the idea for uh, the not Anakin, but for him Palpatine to
try and create some of the Forest, right, because it's gonna be the
idea that they sees Osha and he finds out out May and finds out they're
the exact same, not twins, and that's gonna the idea of creating something
from the Force. And I feel like, uh, some people are not
going to enjoy that. I'm I'm on a wait, let me see how
they do it, because that's not as boholden to me as far as Force
stuff. But I think they're gonna go that route. That's what I was
gonna ask, Like, I don't think I was on that week for the
review when that happened that it was like revealed their Force babies, but like
why do people care? Like like why, like why is that a pay
for some people? At that that was only Anakin's thing. So that's why
the second you do that, Anakin is less special, so which I I
don't agree with, but I understand because that's how I am with Luke Skywalker.
I don't like in the Cannon in the Car or in the Disney canon
that there's other Jedi around during the Dark Times. To me, it's like
it's weird for them all to put their chips on Luke Skywalker, when there's
Ezrabridga, there's Canaan whatever his name is. There's a Soca. So for
me, that's like a fan thing where like I don't like Luke should be
the only one after everyone dies sintil Hey transit Lea. So I think that's
where some people Anakin they feel that makes them less special because he was supposed
to be a virgins in the Forest, but now there's somebody else that was
a virgins in the Forest before, and now I think they don't like it
because it's gonna be like, oh well, because they're gonna make Osha and
May so important because like, without them, Anakin wouldn't be born. I
think people don't like that because if they don't like the show, then it's
prequiet as stuff. Okay, yeah, thanks for the explanation. Yeah,
let's say your last ad break and then we'll be right back. All right,
we are back. Let's see so only thing I want to talk about
again. So I think we all knew he's gonna die. But great acting
in this episode. I think he's still I like Kymier the most is a
character. I think he's still a really good actor too. But all in
all like the series, that guy was always consistent. Usually in the best
scenes. I think came and Kymie again the top stuff this. I thought
the action was really good. I didn't really understand why May and Osha had
to fight here and actually thought some of their fight scenes were a bit too
dancy for me. But Kai Mere soul great lightsaber dual. I thought that
was tons of fun, and I think he sold everything as far as when
he had to talk to Osha, when he was explained to me, I
got to heke us. But I thought that he did a great job,
and if anything, I were to rewatch the show because my excitement to see
his performance again. I wish the show was longer so we could have got
even more of it. But I thought through and through he did a fantastic
job and that character even then, as for some reason, I don't have
too many cons with that character. I think they handled that well. And
that's the thing with this show, where there's things that aren't bad or flawed,
I think there's things that make sense. It was a torn guy that
made a couple of mistakes, but he was still doing it in the right
of, you know, trying to be good. Even this episode, he
was about to say he loved Osha and then right on love that's when she
started choking, which I thought that was a nice touch. But he was
a more emotional Jedi. I didn't like how all of them sometimes were emotional
Jedi. But I really liked the sole character and I thought this episode again,
the light Zer fight scene did a it was great. Like it I
don't know, I was gonna say men expectations, but I just felt I
felt satisfied with the scene as a one on one duel. Yeah, I
thought that the battle between him and Chimer was was really great and yeah,
I'm there with you at the ocean may. I feel like I like the
transition between like it'd be like her her, her fighting her, and then
it would go to uh Soul and Chymer. Just those transitions were fun.
It reminded me of It's like it's just like a duplicate character that just has
like the same moves and they're just like they know all their moves and they're
just like hitting each other. That's almost how it felt. I did liked.
I did like overall just like the martial arts usage of it. I
feel like it's pretty rare to get back in Star Wars, like they usually
try and use lightsabers when they can. Yeah, but I think because there
was a lightsaber battle going on like in Parallel, I was okay with it
because that battle was really good. Fuck I man, when when Chimeer like
separates his blades does like the lightsaber throw and then Master Soul just like sheets
his saber does that like Forest poles thing. That was just like Chef's kiss.
That was that was awesome. I felt, I felt the power in
that moment. Is an episode five to Kymier also throw his lightsaber right that
was fourth one. Yeah, okay, that's because that created the conversation.
Remember we were like, other than Vader, we don't really actually see that,
so it's good to see it again. And I also didn't think he
had second lightsare was that small to be honest in the fourth episode, like
I knew was smaller, but this was like it was more like a like
a dagger, like a lightsaber dagger in a way, like it was a
very small still effective, And I liked that because that was something cool where
it's not just the two dual wields, it's one that's a little bit smaller.
So I feel like if you're fighting them, it's it changes the whole
dynamic of just oh, his two lightsabers, Like, well, he's a
lightsaber, then he has like the smaller one. So I really liked that
choice there. So I guess he's got two kyber crystals. Supposedly that he's
blood. That's like a Yoda sized craber crystal. Did he like fuck that
Yoda's mom or something? Well, apparently I can't remember where I've seen this
might even have been Clone Wars, or maybe it was in Rebels one of
the animated shows. But you can actually adjust the height of your saber.
Now. Of course, that smaller one, I'm sure it's just the way
you build them. So I mean they could do whatever they want with it.
But so you could have two of the mini ones, eh if he
wants. Yeah, i'd actually like see characters do that. I think that'd
be fun have like two daggers. So I feel like there has to be
something like a speedy character, like I feel like someone that's very fast,
like then you don't have to worry about those big blocks driving boss. Yeah.
Maybe I just think that because if you're fast, Because I again prefer
lights here as being a bit more heavy. I don't love the prequel too
much when they're just flipping around, so that would be kind of fun that,
Oh they're smaller, but you could be super even quick with them.
So no, I like that. That's cool. Yeah, And then just
wrapping up my thoughts on Soul. Yeah, I know, I fantastic casting.
It was so great to see this lad in something other than squid Game.
And as you know, she would say, I'm going to be following
his career with great interest. I've I never mind. You don't like it,
you hate him, you don't want to see him anything. No,
No, we'll return to this conversation a couple of weeks. Very curious what
you're what you're talking about there, But I'm just saying I probably see I
could see him being cast in a com book thing, is what I'm saying.
Okay, so you're you're you're showing your cards are interesting. So viewers,
I'm doing that for you because in case, like man, you didn't
tell one, serve you. Travis at One said, he allude to something
a few weeks from now. This is my first episode. How does he
know I'm going to be listening? So there you go, it's because I
think he could get cast in something combook related, but at the same time
they are doing squad games. We might be born with that. But I
just feel like, you know, he could suit some of these if they
do ever more foreign movies out there. So yeah, and I agree with
you, Travis. I think like judging the writing, uh, it's been
messy, but for his character at least, like it is pretty it is
pretty sound, I think, especially comparing to what we've seen there. I
did like kind of the the big pain that that he's been carrying with him
like this whole time, Like he's clearly felt a lot of regret over what
happened, and really like not just regret for what happened, but like unable
to save the two girls. And you couldn't even save one of the girls,
right because the one that he thought he could save ended up choking the
lights out of him and went to the dark side. So it is a
very tragic, sad ending. Yeah, and like he's just going yeah,
no, like he's like he's just dishonored, like any family member that he
has now is like, Wow, what a disappointment to our fucking family.
That soul was like, what a son of a biggest Jersey. Yeah,
that guy take it down from the rafters. So, I mean, you
know, that's that's what happens sometimes, casualties of war. And who knows,
maybe in a thousand years someone will pick up that cold case and realize
it wasn't him. Fuck. Could you imagine that season two they do that
time jump and it's like Ray looking into so was this speak you imagine episode
one of ACOL season two. It just opens with Daisy Ridley just like speaking
to your two young pad ones who don't know what the fuck she's talking about
Soul, and they're like, Master Ray, tell us about that time he
almost fucked Ben Solo in the fire. Oh yes, we used to skype
call. We still do doa there anyone lost thoughts on Soul. I think
his acting was really really good in this this episode. Again, I've just
I've liked his acting. Answer you show the whole the whole season, but
him crying as he's just being force choked out, just yeah, it's it's
brutal stuff or good Saturday or good Saturday. But he uh yeah, he
he paid the price for for his lie and he it's it's unfortunate that it
ended this way, like he it's the downfall of himself through Osha because he
created Osha and he kept the truth from her and he kept trying to throw
there's just their empty excuses, empty reasons that he's just throwing at her,
like oh, I wanted you to have the life you always dreamed of.
Okay, Okay, that's that's that's not what you're that's not what you should
be saying right now. Like, oh, you know, they would have
taken you away from me. Okay, maybe that's a little bit better,
but still not on the right track, Like he should have just said I'm
sorry, And as soon as she told him to stop talking, he should
have stopped talking. Show left it at that, but should cut her head
off, killed right in front of me. I like the I like the
whole setup though, Like, oh, I see May holding a lightsaber but
killing Soul without using it, and that was really because of the same person.
So that's really it just was Ocean who did it. Whichall we got
an answer how you kill a Jedi without using a lightsaber or using a weapon?
Sorry he used the force study the forest. Yeah, yeah, there
you go. I thought I had one more thing on my mind, Taylor.
There was a chat GPT ready as well do that? Well, yeah
we didn't. Uh we uh the finale show, I think right, I
don't know, I got you. I got you. I can whip it
up. There was a moment when may gosh, there, you know,
Jedi looks stupid sometimes I can't believe that he didn't just take the pip droid
from her when he when he ties her like like, how do you not
know that the droid can fucking do these things? Like it's it's right there
in her like gun Holster poach. But nonetheless I digress. She she is
running away from him, and she says like, see you in Hell,
Jedi. Mm hmm. It's like, is that a thing in the Jedi?
Yes, we talked about this before because I was something that I did.
I can't remember when. I think it's in the sequel series. They
said that, And I don't know if I really like that, but I
think someone said god and I did point out that they do make certain like
several and original trilogy solo Han Solo says I'll see you in Hell to another
rebel. It just stood out a lot. It's funny you guys were talking
about that pop song that they had to in the whatever episode. It stood
out to me. I didn't really care for it because it happened in the
credits, like it was just like, okay, whatever. I think it's
a big difference if it happens they're like at a bar and like Dua Lipa's
out there playing fucking just one of our number one hits. So that would
have taken me out for sure. I guess. Yeah, we have the
the Lizo Jack Black sequence, so that's another thing that's in Star Wars.
But it just stood out to me. But I mean, clearly it's been
a thing that's been reoccurring. I'm sure they have like a realm of like
a like a hell escape something like that, whether it's in legends or a
canon something. But yeah, just just the wording of it, it seemed
bizarre. One thing we didn't talk about actually really really enjoyed the like the
chase and the space rocks or whatever. I actually thought that was one of
the more visually pleasing Star Wars cgi things I've seen. I thought, I
like the scale of it, I like the chase, So I actually really
enjoyed that scene. You yeah, you're reminded me. I agree. I
think visually looks beautiful clost like big screen stuff. I wanted to see that
in the theaters. You know, what's that little thing called Basil? Basil
man? Why did he just fuck over Soul like that and just jack up
his ship? I don't know, like he's working with playing us, Like
what the hell was going on? And like we never like we never really
like have an interaction between Soul and him, Like he's just like rip it
out his and then he just like skitties away, like what the hells?
Like, this is the worst three days of my fucking I'm chasing this girl
that I thought let die, Oh was fucking alien rip. I know the
same things I just had. What the fuck is Basil doing? And I
don't know, maybe I miss them? You know why he like was for
a moment ship for a moment, I thought he was in maze ship or
something. I'm like always helping him, like he's disabling the ship, but
no, just fucking over the Jedi. Like I wish I had answer the
scene, I got no answer. The scene that follows after he pulls the
chords out, Soul gives him the what the fuck look, and then at
the at the panoramic shot shows his ship doing a fucking sideway spin and exploding
in the debris. It's like, what the fuck did he do? It
makes no sense. When the jed I show up, he just starts helping
him again. So it's like, don't bring this guy. He probably always
crazy, so killing everyone like, it's just mean No, maybe somebody please
tell me that's not taking down the show overall. For me. That's just
another like what's happening here? He was the guy that knows he's he would
have seen everything that happened. He was there, he knew what happened with
Kimer, he knew everything. But then here he is, he's fucking around
with Soul. He doesn't tell the group of Jai that lands like, hey,
Soul is innocent. No, he's told them Soul is the Its like
prime suspect number one. He sucked up his ship too. Yeah, someone
please messages let me know because I didn't understand and I just looked like it
looked like he's fucking ship and he did. So what is the reasoning for
it? Makes sense too? Right? Because like Osha or May disguised as
Osha a few episodes ago was trying to leave the system with with Soul,
right, but then the ship went down. Systems went down, and May's
like, oh, I'll go check it out. And then you got Bazil
like fucking around, and we thought, oh, he's trying. He knows
he's trying to help Soul. But no, the whole time he's on the
ship, he's just fucking with the ship. He's just he's just being a
little ship. Don't bring that guy to any event ever. Again. Well,
I guess Soul is dead so he can't pass that on. But man,
you talk, I almost got this. That's on my notes cooking anymore.
Uh, if you don't have to, we can do our overalls taylored
girls. Yeah, I'm just I'm just deep diving deep my little cranium.
I uh, I have anything. I didn't like Chimer's voice when he's in
the helmet. Yeah, it sounded like a completely different actor and just like
like a nod had. Remember it was gonna be a twist, so it
couldn't sound like him in the first episode of the show, right, Yeah,
I guess, so, I guess, like I get it, it
would sound different, but it just sounded like a stormtrooper versus like a Sith
user or something along those lines. Yeah, I don't really love the helmet.
I'm starting to see the copper more than initially, Like I swear,
it went through like a coloration change as the season went on, Like I
swear it was pitch black, but it was also a dark sequence the first
time that we saw it. But yeah, I wasn't a big fan of
the smile and helmet overall. Like the more exposure I got to it,
I wasn't really being sold on it. I like the lightsaber, I like
the cloak with the ripped arms, but yeah, not a big fan.
And I don't know, I kind of like the idea of some sort of
device that kind of blocks out the force. It's really just a magneto rip
with that helmet. But yeah, that's a minor nitpick. Yeah, yeah,
I'll go first because I think I'm probably the lowests. I thought I
was gonna maybe give the show five, but I just can't. I'm gonna
go four out of ten. I can't pass the show just for writing alone.
A great moment a great A great moment does not a great man a
great moment. I'm screwing it up. I'm screwing it like the writers here.
But a great moment a good series does not make And that's the thing
here. It's just there's fun YouTube moments and there is some like tol That's
why it's like still four and maybe I can maybe I'll even give you a
four point five, but I just can't pass it. Even maybe four point
nine, but that even feel too high. There's things in this that are
great. There's performances that are great, there's moments that are great, there's
concepts that are great, but there's so much like I feel like there,
what's the fucking calling in Canada? When it would you'd be in the river
and you're looking for gold in the rocks and stuff like gold panning, it
feels like that to me. We're sure you might find some gold, but
it takes a long time and you gotta go through a lot of rocks.
And that's the thing here where I just it's frustrating because I think there is
a version of the show, even with the things here, even not even
talking about my whole thing of reworking being like oh the f now in the
middle, I still think there's a version of the show where changing just some
quality of writing, changing some focus on certain characters' storylines, and then maybe
we're removing some But I think there is bones for something great here. There's
bones that this could have been like an and or we're at the end like
holy shit, like they really came out to play. But I just there's
just too many times that when I talk about something I like, then I
remember X, Y and Z, I like, oh, this is how
we got here. And again it's kind of like with episode four that people
loved, I understood, but again was the stakes and this episode did the
same thing where it made me dislike other episodes from before, like the flashback
episode, I'll just skip that next week. You know why, because in
the first two minutes this episode, soul tells me what happens in that episode,
I don't need to see it. So it just it just feels like
there's a waste of time, and it just feels like there's no urgency with
these Star Wars shows, and I just feel like that's why they're losing less
and less importance, where people feel I don't need to watch them because it's
just got they gotta and or season two them there I can't wait, but
they need some more hits. I just really don't feel that confident at all.
Really, I think I had said like I was in a tough place
because I said, like, oh, if obi Wan sucked, that was
it for me. I was broken And the tough thing with obi Wan was
like in the middle where I Obi wanted to me is much much better than
this some bounds, but that was like a l I am still suck because
there's some really great things, but it was kind of a some mess to
get there along the way. This is a mess with some good moments in
my opinion, So yeah, it sucks because I was really looking forward this
one. I thought it set the table to be something different, be something
great, and it was not that season two I would be there because there's
you know, I still like the comuner. I said that was all well
done as far as Osha getting there for the most part. Of course,
Yeah, maybe a plagu is thing. So to me, it's just like
a if anyone ever asks like, maybe if it gets really bad, I
won't watch as I've done that shows better if anyone ever asked me, It's
just like a sports team where you still gotta be with them through the bad
years, and that's where I feel like we are. We're we're in the
bad years, and I'm just cheering my team on to turn around and start
winning some championships again. And I thought Act like could be that, but
it's not. And now with Skelton Crew, I think that's gonna be like
a fine show. Maybe Soca season two, but then after that we have
nothing announced, so I really don't know what's next. I just think they
need to end or season two of course as well, but they just need
to pick up their bootstraps and really hunker down here because I think they need
something great other than and Or, because we know and are gonna be great.
So that's what I'm saying. Four ten feel for me sadly, it's
a sad score. This is tough for me because I'm gonna pass the show,
but like there's certain things in here that like I don't even think our
borerline unacceptable, Like I think it's just straight up unacceptable. Like just just
with how all over the place they were with me, and they just seem
like they had no idea what the fuck to do with this character When she's
like I'm gonna turn myself in Fuck all the Jedi gotta kill Soul. Okay,
Soul's going to I'm gonna I'm gonna hand him in. It's like,
okay, Osha, you fucking choke the lights out of them, and like
what like I'm gonna come with you. Oh no, just wipe my mind
and I'll just I'll just get arrested. I guess like she just seems like
an NPC type character that it doesn't really matter what the fuck is going on
with her. That that really bothers me. Like the whole situation with May,
I have like minor gripes with like crime here, but like like he
is a highlight of this show. I like performances are definitely a thumbs up.
It's it's really like the writing. I don't like how the Jedi portrayed
in here for the most part. I like they're kind of bitches in my
mind, But I also kind of like when they're seen that way, because
you know, they're they're boy scouts and pencil push you know. I think
I think you should still have an element where you want to be a Jedi
for the show. Yeah, I don't know if I want to be a
Jedi. No no, they don't. Like there's a lot of Jedi in
here, a lot of no name uh, you know, like characters that
literally don't have names, like they're just there for numbers. I don't know.
I I think though, like my expectations were somewhere going into it.
After the first episode, I kinda I kind of tempered them, but I
still kind of got disappointed beyond that part. And it's I think it's my
own fault because I was just setting myself up for for something of a big
surprise. I think it was great to have Plegas finally in live action.
That that's a really big character that like, you know, gets name dropped
a lot in the main series, so to finally get him here, And
I could have seen it going really bad if you like interacted with certain characters.
So I'm glad that didn't happen. You know. It's not like Venestra
and and end credit scene or like the same scene where she goes to Coota,
but it's like Plagas in there and she's like, I got to something
to tell you, master of like some weird twist there that could have been
intriguing. But no, I don't really like that character. I'm not a
big fan of the Witches, but it's not like a big con either for
me. I think though, like as of right now, I'll give it
like a like a low six, like barely a six. The reason why
I'm passing and at least giving it that score is yeah, like like acting,
I did, like, I mean this, this is a big budget
show and it feels like that at moments. It's no like HBO Game of
Thrones House the Dragon level, but like, you know, we shouted out
that CGI scene in space that looked really stellar, and yeah, I think
when they went to the Dark Side, it is lacking, but it was
still there. It was still something. It wasn't a straight up Jedi tale
that I was scared the story was gonna be. And I did like how
May ended up or no, sorry, I did like how Osha ended up
on the Dark Side and going in that trader. So I'm I'm kind of
hopeful with the trajectory, but very tempered expectations going forward because of what we
got here. I would love to be surprised and just and I just say
disappointed. I don't want to be disappointed. I would love to be surprised
and disappoint me. And I don't know, like I I can see I
can see shimmer, I can see potential in in in this story with these
characters that we've been introduced, especially now that Osha or fuck now that May
is amnesia and we don't really have to focus on her characters so much.
But yeah, six low six, which is really sad compared to where we
were. Where was it twenty twenty when we first saw this, and I'm
like, this is gonna be the show Man, this is gonna be the
show. Here we are and barely six out of ten? That's that's very
disappointing. Phil. We hear you typing away over there, typewriter, Yeah,
what is your score? And overall thoughts before we get to the chat
GPT, because I don't know if we did a predictions cast Racken. I
don't think we did, so that's where you that's usually where we do chat
GPT. But you you, uh, you scared me there for one because
you're like, really we're doing it. I was like, of course you
have to, you know, Oh he's not ready, so I will.
I almost got it. My I'm typing out the act my own what I
want. Yeah, I'm not. Actually, I think though this show ultimately
the writing is so very messy. I'm I'm gonna sit probably like a seven
out of ten. And I'm being generous with that just because I like what
they were doing with the finale with some things. But that is also based
on the foundation that we do get that season two. If we don't get
that second season, and I rewatched this, I can see it. I
can see it dropping it back down to a six, go for it.
If Flag is not in this finale, is it still seven? It's a
six and a half Vader Darth Maul theory, right. Anytime you get one
cameo for Taylor that doesn't swore up Itch, it does. Sure it's not
alone too, like I'm sure like a lot of Star Wars fans, I
can't wait to see the online community right now. I haven't even looked at
what the comments are, all right, I don't know. I'm gonna post
your meme too on those communities. Should yeah, you should have read yeah
exactly years ago. Tay would say no to that. That's why I had
to ask him. So it's just oh yeah, oh yeah, it's it's
evident at this point. So I think with the messy writing, well,
I definitely like Osha as a character much more than I like may Some choices
are a little bit weird, but I like how a lot of the actors
and actresses really tried to bring their a game. I wish that we got
a little bit more expansion on seeing our Jedi do things like what. I
like seeing Kal Knaka fight, but I didn't like how he was necessari find
the Jedi. But it's also cool because you see him possessed by the witches.
So they got a lot of mixed things and a lot of new interpretations
going on, and I can see why there's a lot of conflict in the
community. People are trying to figure out where they stand a lot of these
things because it's a lot of new ideas, a lot of copied ideas that
may be a little bit familiar, and a lot of just things that are
very bold in terms of like the writing choices. So I know I'm gonna
rewatch this, and I look forward to actually watching with my dad when I
get them over. He comes over for dinners and I usually pop on Star
Wars shows and we binge watch them, So I'm excited for him to watch
this because he'll I know he'll enjoy it. He'll he'll get a kick out
of it. So does he also think Solo's a ten ten as I saw
your Letterbox score the other day. I love that movie. Every time I
watch it. It's just it's just I put it on. It's like,
man, this is just fun Star Wars Adventure. I can just get behind
this. It's great. I really have a lot of fun with that.
So I'll have to ask him, if you know, Dad, is Solo
Star Wars story ten to ten for you? I hope we get that second
season. I really really do. And yeah, it's just it's funny when
you look at this show and how they create new music for this show.
While other shows like The Mandalaureate and even Book with fet has certain musical notes
and that I just love. I love some of those tracks, but this
show has some things that I really do appreciate. But at its core,
it's even if you look at the audio books for the Higher Public, they
only use John Williams' soundtracks right for like the original trilogy and sometimes from the
prequel trilogy. It's like, man's that shit is just so good good,
And I as I've already said, I've watched some people do like the Chimera
versus Jeckie fight, and they throw that John Williams score on there. A
man, it makes it ten times more fucking like better, it's so much
better. House Dragon does. How so Dragon use some of the tracks from
Game of Thrones, but then they have their own music as well. Like
I'm the same way. As far as the House Dragon used the theme song
Game Thrones, it's like it just brings you there, so like even if
the show would have started with a little beats of the Star Wars theme,
but they're just Disney. Star Wars is like scared of John Williams music for
some fucking reason. I don't know why you own it, but it's just
yeah, I just I agree. I wish there. Especially this is the
use some fan not even the John william stuff of the original you some of
the Phantom Menace like prequel scores or like variations on right because that's close to
the era, or even though it's something that's like okay, it's this,
but it's a little change, like a good example, even though like it's
not because I think some of them are Karme coffee, but kind of like
I think it was Brian Tyler. Did he do the Super Mario score?
I think, yes, yes you did. Yeah, and that's a good
version of good rendition. Again, like I still think for me, I
didn't fight for Golden Geeks, is that there are those scores that are more
creative, but because he's going off the original stuff. But still it's like
he would use some original stuff then change up a little. So I wish
music wise, they would dive back into of that original stuff. I agree,
and it's just such a shame that they don't. It's it's it's there
for using. But yeah, I digress. Yeah, So I just think
that the show. I'm excited to rewatch it, and hopefully I could pick
up on some different things when I do my rewatch. But yeah, it's
it's gotta it's got to bring Plagus back in for that season two. It
really really does. But like you said, if they do it, they
need different writers because are they going to ruin him? That totally freaks me
out to think about it, and I hope that's not the case because I
don't want them to ruin him. If they do use him, I'm still
worried about that. With Thrawn when we get this Soca season too, and
and I feel like that's a good example of like you've already seen a divide
with that character, right, and that again, I'd also say, like
with that show, it has some good like there's some good episodes, but
it's not like the strongest writing. So I think Plagas is a it's a
it could be a minefield for them, but they're gonna step in it if
it makes them some money, I guess, right, So yeah, absolutely,
all right, give me another thirty seconds here, almost done, Another
thirty seconds to forty five seconds. Kirkland, did you uh do you know
who's uploading this one? Because whoever does this one's not doing news tomorrow.
So that's the thing, Actually I do. I do think news is yours,
mister Pats. I don't pitching it. It was Comic Con, wasn't
it. You were Comic Con. Com Con you said, when you threaten
me, You're like, well, I'm gonna give you Comic Con with We
had a planned schedule and then two days to before they're like, hey,
you want to fuck it all up and change everything. It's like, well,
we don't have much room to move around. No, I said no,
because there was a time where it's like Thursdays gonna tables like pitching like
three casts. I'm like, I ain't fucking uploading ship because I upload Marble
Lions every Thursday. So it's like I'm not uploading one of the three casts
and marvele lines because you guys want to see Twisters a day early, which
is not like I'm having. It's not like, oh we got dead pull
Wolverine a date early. It's not like that, you know. So that's
where I was. So, but I do think for news tomorrow, yeah,
it's sure, Okay, there you go, because I do think.
I think last second, I think we were talking about this last week where
I can't remember if you tell us on the air, I did Game of
Thrones because you were supposed to wake up early and I did. So I
was like, and he had done the Boys before it like, oh,
Acolyte, that's Kirkling coming up, and then lo and behold, krookl is't
not Acolyte or any rest of the cast. For the rest of the weeks.
It's like this bastard knows at a time, it's like, oh,
you know what, I think I might be tired here. So yeah,
all I gotta go. Guys, we'll see Thursday. Accolytes eure up and
that's fine. He made us, he made us late, so that's that
should be on Taylor soldiers, you know, Taylor said. Taylor said right.
We asked him in the review will but he's like right after the episode.
But his right aft tips. It just means like whenever he finishes it,
I guess. So very different explanation and kircling. You're not hot over
there in long sleeves. I'm getting warm. This is I was cold before
we started the cast, so I threw on It's literally a onesie. I
thought it was a dress shirt this whole time. Legit. Yeah, it
would be pretty cool dress shirt, Tya. Did you ever confirm that you
hit a black Oh? I see? Did you ever confirm about your black
dress shirt? Taylor? I got one that can be potentially dirty. Yeah,
you just fall in grass. You're whoa showing out some goods. Oh,
it's cockfall. It's like an open fly. You're ready, Taylor,
He's not. It's pumping it out keyboards, just getting abused over there.
So if people don't know, we started this for funny enough Star Wars on
Mandalorian season three because I think we were I think Taylor liked I. I
think there was a sense of disappointment, so where I think Tya had this
idea like, oh, I want to know what chat GPT would bring up,
and there is a good best of that I suppose made last year,
but that made like Luke should with his fleet. And then whether it's predictions
or the finale, we always do a now you know, write something for
a chat GPT as far as the show se if it's better or worse than
the actual show. Sometimes they lead to hilarious stuff. Other times it can
just be the most boring shit ever. So we'll see. We've been doing
these in a while, Tay, you go get ready. You're doing one
tomorrow with dead Pool Maulverene as well, so I'm excited get ready for that
one. So correctly, you want to talk about the president of assassination,
Now that to no joking presidential candidate. Yeah, but it was a former
president, so you're always a president. It's like you're you know, I'm
just joking. We're not gonna talk about that. We'll get demonetized. There's
been some good memes has been the year, Like I said, we should
have covered this election man as Canadians, fire stuff going on, don't use
violence everybody, well said, that's on my tour, now what too are?
So he didn't. You don't understand that joke. Mm hmm, correctly,
don't understand the joke when he said cancel the tour. Why do you
think I said that? It's because I know about the Timberlake thing. Oh
no, I don't. So quickly for you, Taylor goes a couple of
weeks ago and Justin Timberly got arrested for his du I. There's a cop
that didn't know who Justin Timberlake was. He's like a young cop, so
he's rested him and he hasn't cough. And Justin like, you're gonna ruin
the tour and the cause, like what tour? He's like the world tour
that you've heard about that there was memes galore that week of like what to
You had seen the memes? Right, The theory that he got arrested because
his tour was doing well and then he was cancelor for insurance reason. He's
still on tour though he's doing because people got hype that he got arrested.
It's like ship all right for the tour? What tour the world? Okay?
This is I guess pumping out a lot of good here. Okay,
So the spite kills Qui gon Jin so Star Wars Acolyte, Shadows of the
Force, Episode one, Echoes of Betrayal. Vernestra Row trains May, who
struggles with fragmented memories of her past. Jedi. So you said Sinestra Row
Vernestra Okay, So she's okay, So say that sentence again. Sorry I
was, I was confused by the last name. I caught off guard.
Vernestra Road trains May, who struggles with fragmented memories of her past. The
Jedi Council grapples with the aftermath. Is this season two? So basically,
if you want to what prompt I did, I I typed out literally from
episode one, episode eight. You could hear me typing away of just what
happens, and I said, give me a sequel to this. So you
type the synopsis of all I typed a brief brief that's not your words per
minute is no, because it's not. It doesn't have the information right.
It goes up to like twenty twenty one, so it doesn't know this show
exists. So I gave it, like I gave it the concept of what
season one is and that. So it's basically usually do what's the finale?
But now we're not getting that. We're getting the season two fra Yeah no,
sorry, I called the season two. I didn't call the finale.
But here you go, you get season two. So one job and he's
plugging me for fifteen minutes. Still wrong. The Jedi Council grapples with the
aftermath of Master Soul's death and the allegations against him. Meanwhile, Osha,
now Kimer's apprentice, undergoes intense dark side training. Yeah scratch me again.
Uh. He goes to mask secretly darths Plagas. Did you did you?
N I put his name in there. You're leading the witness on this time.
I swear I'm not secretly. Darth Plagas infiltrates the Jedi order to the
guys of a political advisor Yoda another this is this is where it gets crazy,
Yoa. It expectedly returns from a secret mission with a massive Republic fleet,
raising questions of concerns among the Jedi. I don't know why I like
that, we're coming back to the fleet, and so Yoda goes on the
Michigan with the fleet and all the other Jedi like they're quite They're like,
what the hell's Yeah, he's gonna overthrow the Republic? Okay? Car destroyers
or are they like those stupid ships Fromrise of Skywalker that are like mini death
stars? Remember they have the power? Oh? Yeah. The episode ends
with Vernestra and May discovering a clue that leads them to an ancient Sith temple.
Episode two, Whispers in the Dark, Vernestra and May journey to the
Sith Temple, encountering traps and illusions designed to test the resolve theyn, cover
ancient Sith artifacts, and learn more about Kimer's plans. He go damasks So's
distress with the Jedi Council. Back at the Jedi Temple, a young Jedi
named Eli investigates the true circumstances of Soul's death. Did you give them that
name? No? No, that's made up. Which is funny about episode
titles. This episode is still on Disney Plus, is still just called episode
eight. There is no title for this one. It's it episode out now
or whatever. No description too. Yeah, minds his Episode eight. Watched
the episode, now that's yeah, there you go. Yeah, so young
Jedi Eli investigates the true circumstances of Soul's death, suspecting a deeper conspiracy.
Yoda briefs the Council on his mission, hinting at a looming threat. The
episode ends with mas Kannada arriving at the Jedi Temple with urgent information. I
like, the version of Venestra tells him about this threat, So what does
Yoda do? Instead tells the counsel, he goes and gets a fleet and
brings him back, like we're ready for the Sith guys. Here we go.
Yeah, Mass Canada arrives at the Jedi Temple. That's kind of cool.
Episode three shouts the past. Osha faces a more dilemma. She witnesses
the suffering Kimyer's actions cause May has visions of her past, leading her to
doubt her current path. Vanestra seeks counsel from Yoda, who warns of a
rising darkness. He goes to Mass. He is on it. He go
to Mass manipulates key Jedi, steering them away from discovering his true identity.
I mean, there's no threat for he go to Mask. He's just fucking
shut up, though it seems he'd better if he wasn't a political advisor right
now, he'd be better to stay with the Cave. But yeah. Eli
in covers evidence linking Kimir to the recent Jedi deaths and mass Kanada reveals a
hidden alliance between Kaimeir and a shadowy Sith figure. Episode four, Rising Storm,
the Jedi Council, pressure by the Senate, sends a team a team
to apprehend Kimer. Vernestra, May and Eli joined the mission. Osha,
torn between her loyalty to Kymer and her bond with May, secretly aids the
Jedi. A fierce battle ensues, resulting in Kymyer's narrow escape and Eli being
severely injured. He go damask because Darth Plagas manipulates Osha, exploiting her doubts,
and the episode ends with a surprise attack on the Jedi Temple by Dark
Side acolytes, leading to a massive battle. The show Caddy Money is still
like Millennia, You like a thousand Sith. It's like the end of Night
Over Republic when you've got to deal with Basila, and just like all these
fIF that's great and what what o't jump? Oh, He's gonna spend half
the season just like like manipulating people. And then one episode he's like,
ah, fuck it, let's just like terrors attack the Jedi Council. Great,
love it. Fans are gonna love it. Continue. Oh. Episode
five a light in the darkness as Eli recuperates, May confronts Osha, leading
to an emotional reunion and a revelation of Ocean's internal struggle. Ronestra discovers the
full extent of Krimeer's alliance with Darth Plagas he go, Damask increases his influence
within the Jedi feeding misinformation. Yoda mobilizes their Republic fleet for a preemptive strike.
That's preemptive. Accolytes came to the Council. We will attack them first.
We will just wake up from a fucking app But what's going on here?
Keeps hitting them with why I don't remember? That's why. That's we
figured out in Phantom menas. That's why they don't remember. Chimier mind wipes
them again. That's we got it. There we go so where? Yeah,
Yoda mobilize the Public fleet for preampt to strike against Sith strongholds. There's
strong buildings. Sorry. The episode ends with the Jedi preparing for assault on
Chimer's base on Mass Canada, and our allies provide crucial support. Episode six
the Siege uh The Jedi launch and assault on Chymer's stronghold. Facing fierce resistance
from Dark Side acolytes and Sith constructs, Osha, now fully were Chimer's manipulations,
decides to help the Jedi from within. The battle reaches a climax when
Brenestru confronts Chimer in a duel. While May and Osha faced their darkest years.
He goes to mask revealed his Darth Plagas, intervenes and battles Yoda in
the lights. We haven't seen the Sith of Millennia. You want to just
have dark fucking Lightsaber fights with dark Plagas over there sixty years before young Annie
shows up. Oh my god, I would love to see the fan he
just lose her fucking mind. The episode ends with Kaider narrowly escape, of
course, and Osha being captured by the Jedi damn. Episode seven, Truth
is revealed. During the duel, Kimer reveals his plans to review overthrow Darth
Plagas. Osha sacrifices herself to save May, breaking free from the dark sized
influence. Vernestra defeats Kimer, but he escapes, vying revenge, and he
goes to Mask. Realizing his plans are at risk, decides to take more
direct action against the Jedi. The Jedi and covered the extent of the assistant
filtration within the Republic. He wants more access. He's attacked the Council and
he and lights in front of the Yoda. How more can he get?
Well enough? Okay? Continue? The Jedi uncovered the extent of the system
infiltration within our public mass, Canatter and allies helped the Jedi decipher ancient Sith
text, revealing a hidden Sith fleet. Episode eight, Dawn of a New
Order. The Jedi Council on the Senate confront the revelations of Sith influence.
May, deeply affected by osha sacrifice, vows to honor sister by continuing the
fight against the Sith. Vernestra proposes reforms within the Jedi order to prevent future
corruption. He go damask fully revealed a Darth Plagas begins to make his moves
against the Jedi, amassing his hidden Sith Fleet, and the episode ends with
a massive space battle between the republic Fleet led by Yodah and Plagas' Sith Fleet,
setting the stage for a showdown. Why fleets. Why is he on
the cockpit calling all those out? Oh? God? So they yeah,
they they had their lightsaber battle and then they retreated to these massive fleets to
fight the battle for them. We need a post credit scene here. That's
something, man. Yeah, there's a lot of Sith action for not seeing
Sith in a long time. So, oh my god, constructs too,
Like what does that entail? It's like a giant what was the name of
the thing in the old Republic I told Republic? Oh yeah, when you
see it, like petrifies you. Yeah, stuff like that. I think
the store, yeah, stuff like that. Even the death start, I'd
say, as a Sith construct, just a bunch of death stores with the
fleet. Okay, so it's a millennia. Uh. The screen fades from
black to reveal a desolate, war torn landscape. The remnants of the space
battle between the Republic Fleet and plagas The Sith Fleet are strewn across the ground.
Fires burned the distance, and the eerie silence is broken only by the
occasional crackle of flames and the distant rumble of collapsing structures. In the foreground,
A hooded figure moves stealthily among the wreckage, their face obscure by shadows.
As they approach the large fallen Syth cruiser, the figure pauses, sensing
something. The camera pans around to reveal a small, flickering hologram of Darth
Plagus setting atop a makeshift pedestal. The Plagus the Jedi have won this battle,
but the war's far from over. The hood figure lowers their hood,
revealing the scarred face of a battle hardened scythe Acolyte. They kneel before the
hologram and their eyes burning with a mix of fear and devotion. What are
your orders, my lord? Plagas's hologram flickers ominously, his gaze piercing through
the darkness. We will treat to the outer rim, where the Jedi will
not find us. There we will rebuild our strength and bide our time.
And the moment is right, we will strike back with the vengeance that will
bring the galaxy to its knees. The camera shifts to a close up of
the Acolyte's face, capturing the twisted smirk that spreads across their lips. The
scene cuts to a wide shot of the desolate battlefield, the fire still burning
as the acolyte rises and begins to walk away and remember Plagas says, the
darkness is always watching. The camera zooms out, revealing the act like disappearing
into the shadows of the Hologram fades, and the screen goes to black with
the haunting sound of Plagus laughing. So he's like defeated. He's like defeated
at the n the end, he's just laughing. Yeah. Yeah, it's
like the laugh through, like the Hologram two. This isn't sound like good.
I love. Yeah. So that's a story where he's in secret,
decides to attack twice they lose. So his plans, well, we're gonna
go back in secret, then we'll come back and do it. So all
right, I wonder how this leads to a phantom menace? Oh, I
wonder. Yeah, they'll expand season two, but uh yeah, let's hope
some of that doesn't happen. I don't need to go to with a fleet
and his armor and everything, but leading the charge fighting plague that a sith
Stronghold. Yeah, pall A showing that is it. That is your act
like review. We'll be back maybe in December of Star Wars stuff because I
think that's the Reamber when they're dropping a skeleton crew, but we don't know
for sure. And yeah, prosty will not be boring. May the Force
be with a few. Oh and