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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys are your fav It's

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it. I'm stuck and me wish today

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and listening, Oh watchy lim always
keep its watching. And now you're hosts

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Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How you

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doing. Man's going to do you? A little frustrating today, but nothing

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terrible, I guess, you know, small small problems. Uh, you

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know, it took too long at
the bank, so I'm running late.

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Sorry about that. And of course
I come back to my office right and

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my poor old dog, she she
apparently took it upon herself to relieve herself

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on some financial papers in my office. Are you kidding me? No,

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No, It's just that kind of
day. Man. Sometimes things happen,

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you know. Then, and my
dog's old, and you know, I

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you know, so she's getting pretty
old at this point, and she's really

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aged a lot in the last like
five months, it seems, honestly.

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But you know, I mean,
I can't blame her. I feel the

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same way about those financial papers.
Nice, she didn't need them, Yeah,

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just like one one small hurdle after
another just to make it here to

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talk to you, and I finally
here, it's finally going, and it's

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worth it. It's worth it.
So it's great to be talking to you,

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Bigfoot to beyond here today. And
uh, Cliff having to being a

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former fifth grade teacher, do you
expect me to believe your dog Pete on

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your homework? It wasn't p oh
she dubbed on it. Oh yeah,

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she squirted all over the things.
Man, it was terrible. She's old,

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she's not feeling. Kind of a
mix of one en, she kind

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of mixed constitution. Yeah yeah,
I know. Yeah, so welcome listeners.

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It wasn't a number one, it
wasn't a number two. It is

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a one and a half. You
know, poor soach, I know,

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I know. Did you see her? She's looking old? Man had her

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for eleven, like ten or eleven
years now ten years. She was an

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adult when I got her. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, yeah,

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yeah, my poor dog. And
you know what, we left her alone

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for a couple of days because Melissa
and I went to Vegas to go see

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Dead and Company at the Sphere,
which was absolutely ridiculous. It was absolutely

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phenomenal, spectacular. You know,
I've seen a lot of cool things in

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my life. You know, I
saw the solar eclipse back in what seventeen

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with you, Bobo. I've seen
you know, I've been all over the

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world. I've seen some amazing things, just ridiculously amazing things in my life.

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I'm truly blessed. And seeing Dead
and Company at the Sphere was easily

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one of the coolest things I've ever
seen in my entire life. I didn't

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know how awesome that spirit thing was
until I just saw some stuff about the

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were Dead playing there like two days
ago, and I looked at it and

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I was like, wait, because
I've seen things on the sphere, but

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I thought it was just like computer
generated, Like they show like this sphere

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of it self and it's a building
Las Vegas for people that I know,

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it's around building the Boss Vegas,
Like all the walls are a screen in

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the roof and everything like it's well, it's a round, so there's no

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walls and roof, it's all just
the same surface, right, Yeah,

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Like you're sitting inside of a ball
and at one side of the ball is

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the stage where the band's playing,
and everywhere else like on the inside surface

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of this sphere, hence the name
is an LED screen. You know.

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It was just absolutely fantastic, just
it was, and it's super expensive.

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But this was a, you know, an anniversary gift for Melissa and I.

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Our anniversary was a few weeks ago
and we couldn't go then because our

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dog was sick then as well.
So so she got better. We decided

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to go this past weekend. And
it was an expensive ticket. You know,

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it's like, I guess concerts are
just expensive now. I had no

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idea, you know, because I
don't go to a lot of concerts anymore.

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But it was way worth it.
It was worth every single penny.

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Awesome I heard. It was just
mind blowing, like you can't you can't

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you just there's no words as as
you're gonna see it. Yeah, that's

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just it, you know. And
Melissa took some videos and stuff. I

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was trying to remain in the moment
and not do videos and stuff. And

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you know, I'm not posting anything
on social media. I don't like social

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media. But yes, but man, it's just like the videos or words

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themselves just completely lack. They just
fall short of the mark. There's no

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way to describe it. I mean, a dead show anyway. I mean,

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I've never seen Dead Company until this. I've seen The Grateful Dead a

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bunch of times, but I hadn't
been to any of the Dead offshoot bands,

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any of their concerts. I haven't
seen these people since Jerry died in

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like ninety five. But man,
it's an Every Grateful Dead concert is an

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experience and to itself. But this
was just ridiculous anyway. So yeah,

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this is going to be a topical
episode a Bigfoot and Beyond, And of

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course we got over the greeting stuff
because that's the most topical thing right now

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is I'm still coming down from a
great weekend seeing the Dead and struggling through

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the Vegas part of it all.
But I'm back home now. Everything's cool,

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the weather's cooled down. You know, it's a lovely eighty something degrees

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here, which I totally dig as
opposed to one hundred and eight or one

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hundred and seven at night. Screw
that, man. Look forward to get

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into the woods this week a little
bit. I have some plans to go

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tomorrow and maybe even the next day. Got a gig next weekend and a

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gig in Southeast Ohio in two more
weeks, So back to the big foot

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life. You know, that's what
I do apparently. Yeah, I'm going

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up to meet the guys that you
were just with, Alex and Petacov from

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small Town Marshers. I'm going out
to meet him and like Kip and Lighterman,

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Kip Moral from the Glove Creek Project
and Rowdy. I'm gonna go out

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there with them guys for a couple
of days. And yeah, Alex is

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going to be their Pedacov And I
guess you just shot with your thing up

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there the Eight Canyon. Yeah.
Yeah, he went up to Eight Canyon

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with Mark, Marcel and Eli and
I think Shane Corson is there and Cindy's

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was out there. Yeah. So
a bunch of people just got back from

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that trip. I hooked them all
up with Ape Canyon commemorative coins because you

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know, this is one hundredth anniversary
of the Eight Canyon events, and we

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made cool coins at the museum.
Pick those up at an online shop if

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you want. But I sent free
coins with everybody who went up there so

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they can take some pictures at the
mine and the cabin site and all that

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sort of stuff with the coins.
And so I got a bunch of really

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cool pictures back from them. They
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yesterday. I was texting with him, and then Eli came by the shop

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and kind of filled me in on
everything that was going on up in the

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expedition there. It sounds like a
lot of fun. And for a lot

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of those people it was their first
time at the cabin or and you know,

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the mine obviously hadn't been exploited very
often. But those all those young

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whipper snappers in their twenties were saying, my god, that's treacherous, is

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terrible. I'll probably never go back
there. And I'd say, okay,

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it made me feel a little better
after failing to get to the cabin site

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last year or voluntarily turning around.
So this is a sketchy spot, man,

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This a sketchy spot. But I
did get a couple of pictures of

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the coins at the mine itself,
which I think is pretty cool. I'll

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send those to PRU and you can
both. Was on our on our membership

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page for our members. So that
was neat. That was really neat.

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So those guys are back, safe
and sound. They were up there on

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the one hundredth anniversary of the event
so cool, really cool. Well,

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one thing is I think I'm gonna
do expeditions, like public expeditions like people

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sign up for. I'm looking.
I think I'm going to try to book

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two maybe three for the throughout the
rest of the year. But I'm still

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I'm still got a shout out to
a book because there's so many fires kicking

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off and it's like, you know, in the next couple of months,

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like how much like what's going to
be on fire? What's been burned out?

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It's it's hard to like, you
know, like where are you gonna

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go this for su're going to have
a fire? Besides the coast? Well,

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you know, there's there's a big
forest. I bet if you you

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know, when you go through the
permitting process and you talk to six Rivers

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National Forests, you can always ask
them like, hey, if fires do

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happen, what's my plan? B
Can I can I go over to this

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location? You know, because there's
plenty of spots out there. Well,

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it's going to do it on private
property? Was it that giant property where

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you're going to put the trailer?
Eventually? You know what that fell through?

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The guy could They said they had
all the paperwork and then he couldn't

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find the one piece of paper,
that one thing you needed to prove that

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was the case. All right,
Well, it sounds like your trailer's gonna

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end up in the river if you're
not careful. No, it's I'm getting

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it there. You got a place
to put it, Okay. Well,

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anyway, you're probably wondering why we
gathered you all here today, just because

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we are doing a topical episode here
in Bigfoot and Beyond where we kind of

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go through various news items that either
caught our eye or we think are pertinent

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to the Bigfoot field, or just
of interest in general, you know,

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in our little corner of the world, this this Bigfoot corner of the world

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that we seem to occupy. So
we have a number of articles here.

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We'll be kind of addressing some of
those and giving our thoughts and kind of

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just talking about those in general.
And you know what, we've been hearing

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a lot of good feedback for these
kinds of episodes. We call them Clobo

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episodes, where you know, Cliff
and Bobo were together, and Clobo,

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of course is our power couple name, you know, like a bradje Alina

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sort of thing. So we get
a lot of positive feedback about the Clobo

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episodes, whether it's the Q and
A's that we do on a monthly basis

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or these topical episodes that we do
you know pretty often. We're not quite

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strict doing it once a month like
we do the Q and A's, but

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we do these about once every month
or two. And thank you very much

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for the feedback. We really do
appreciate it. And we'll also be doing

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a member episode after this where I'm
going to talk about the Blue Mountain expedition

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that we did about two weeks ago. Great crazy things happen there. Looking

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forward to that, and we're also
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gaba. Hey. Yeah, So
anyway, let's jump into the articles here,

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Bobo, do you want to start
us off or should I just go

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ahead and choose one? Pick one? We got some good ones, Yeah,

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got some good ones here. Now
this one, I remember I sent

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this in a couple of days ago. This hit the news because you know,

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I have bigfoot set up on my
Google news feed or whatever, and

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so when something bigfooty comes up,
I generally click it or whatever and see

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what's going on, usually as some
sort of sighting, like that's news or

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something. Sightings are not rare.
They happen pretty frequently. I don't know

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why that makes the news, except
for I guess out there for regular civilian

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folk, they don't realize that bigfoot
reports happen more or less all the time

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somewhere. I mean, just this
week, I've seen photographs of two prints,

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two sets of tracks, in two
different states, two different parts of

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the country. I've heard stories of
another sighting a tree push down for over

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here in mountain of national forests.
There's always stuff going on. You just

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have to be in the right place
the right time, or have your antenna

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up. But yeah, this particular
news item comes from the Internet, unfortunately,

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so but I grabbed it because of
the ridiculous stuff that it reports.

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And this one, the title of
it is man claims to have spoken to

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Bigfoot and says the conversation filled him
with doom. Huh. Okay, But

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first, my first criticism right away
is this such garbage clickbait sort of titles.

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You know, So anyway, some
dude in basically, what the deal

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is that some dude in I think
it was Missouri. I think it was

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Missouri claims to have spoken to a
bigfoot. Okay. And of course we

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hear these things not all the time, because despite what the paranormal side of

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the fence thinks, the paranormal side
of the fence, the paranormal reports are

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outliers. They are not common.
And that's in by the number of reports

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we've got at the NABC. I
think since we've opened we probably have received

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eight hundred or more sided reports just
in the last few years. And the

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paranormal stuff I can count on one
hand, and I don't even know if

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I could fill up on my fingers, but I can count on one hand.

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So it's kind of like one of
these situations where a very loud but

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yet very small population of people think
something is true and they yell at a

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lot. So the paranormal stuff isn't
quite as commons as I think the WU

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folks like to think. I'll be
more impressed when it's not like some hippy

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temming they say, live in peace, and you know, it's like it

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seems that they always say what people
are thinking. It was like when that

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other well noted Bigfoot aficionado was saying
that bigfn to hold the vote Trump.

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You know, it's like, I
don't think they're making like political picks or

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whatever. They communicating these things that
they seem to have express what these people

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are thinking. My coincidence, Yeah, yeah, exactly, what a coincidence

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that that is, right, that
the Bigfoot or aliens or angels or whatever,

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you're talking to inside your brain has
the same political views of you as

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you or the same you know,
emotional situation, or the same philosophical perspective

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as you do. Isn't that something
I wonder? I wonder why that could

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be. Well, anyway, this
guy, this guy called called this this

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radio station k HMO. This guy
from Missouri calls the station and said that

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he had an encounter with bigfoot right
outside of his house. And what he

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said is that, like this guy
says, we don't have to be afraid

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of each other and that we could
just live in peace. And I told

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him I didn't want to hurt him, and I didn't want him to hurt

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me. Fair enough, right then
check this out. Then the guy said,

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he hit me with the infra sound
and it hit me hard. It

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made me physically shudder. I don't
know if there's a telepathic component to it

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or not, but what I felt
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body. You didn't hear nothing.
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and doom all rolled into one directly
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that bothers me about this is that, how does I mean, do most

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civilians, for lack of a better
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Like you go up to somebody in
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hey, bay person buying you know
a hershey bar at the store, what's

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infrasound? Do you think they're gonna
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use that. Whoever this Missouri dude
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to the Bigfoot community in some sort
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that? You know, So this
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who is aware of the Bigfoot lore
in some sort of way, which I

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think Matt Prowitz said this before.
Maybe he wants to weigh in on this,

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which, in my opinion, I
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those earlier sighting reports the stuff before
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we don't know. I mean,
I think sasquatches use in for sound,

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but we don't know that. There's
no way two know that at this point

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without recording show it. Right before
the mythology of Bigfoot really got rolling and

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all these powers and traits were ascribed
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in fact, in my opinion,
have more weight nowadays because you know,

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this is like some you know,
mainstream internet clickbait website and they're talking about

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infrasound with Bigfoot and I don't know
about telepathy, but this happened, and

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you know, doesn't that. I
mean, what do you think? But

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what does that give more weight to
these older reports that were pre mythology?

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think so. Mad do you want
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you're back there learning, But the
earliest reports have them having those kind of

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abilities like the Native Americans, like
almost almost all their tribes that they have

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for sure telepathy and possibly like uh, can travel as light, that sort

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of stuff. Almost all. That's
a pretty strong statement. I would be

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disagree with. You don't think that
most obviously, Yeah, they all have

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like some component of that, most
of most have a component of that tolepathy,

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for sure. I'm not I'm not
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what we get on the being an
outsider of those particular cultures is like a

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conglomeration of various things. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

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Bobo will be right back after these
messages. From my experience speaking to individual

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Native people, there's a wide variety
of perspectives on these things. Some like

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lots of Native people I've spoken to, Yeah, it's an animal, like

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all the other stuff. We have
our stories about them, blah blah blah,

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and the other people, you know, just just like in every other

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community. I think other things about
sasquaches. Oh, they're a protector of

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the woods, or they are bad
news. They're a bad omen, they're

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a good omen. There, they're
this yor that they're it's all over the

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place. I very rarely hear about
that sort of stuff. But then again,

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I am an outsider. Maybe I'm
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Yeah, there's different secres, but
I'm saying that the most common one amongst

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them that I've heard for sure the
majority of the people I've talked from those

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tribes, is telepathy, which I
don't think is that out that far out

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there. I know we've talked about
this in other episodes that I've appeared on,

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but if you look at belief systems
and attributes associated with certain animals around

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the world, you'll find those exact
same attributes assigned to them, the same

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supernatural or metaphysical powers or abilities.
And I think the most likely explanation for

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that is that we have a hardwired
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encountering animals of this sort, and
it results in the involuntary freezing response for

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one, which is called tonic immobility. So phenomenologically, yes, it is

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as if you know, once you
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you are frozen in your tracks,
and something like that gets encoded into

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these narratives about such animals, but
the onus is always placed on the animal

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itself that you know, a tiger
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gorilla has this ability, or a
bear has this ability, and on and

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on and on as you go around
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other animals. So I think very
often what people are describing is the normative

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response that's involuntary that they're falling victim
to because they're powerless against it. But

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they're assuming that it's the animal that
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from a distance. And so in
the past it might have been that they

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had magical or mystical powers. In
the more recent times it was it might

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have been that they had psychokinesis or
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people get introduced to the idea of
infrasound, they couch it under that particular

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umbrella that, oh, it paralyzed
me by generating infrasound. But I think

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the most likely thing is that while
not all these animals share physiology morphology,

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they're not genetically related. So what's
the common denominator. It's the human observer

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and the human response. And people
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language they have, through whatever interpretive
lens they're equipped with, to describe that

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experience, and so to them,
they blame the animal for it, rather

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than realizing that it's just a normative
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You're out numbered, bubs, two
nerds and one one. No, I

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get what you're saying. I mean, that's that's all. I'm not saying.

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What I'm not saying what you said
is untrue. I'm just saying that,

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and I understand. I totally get
that, like what I attribute to

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be infra sound stuff that hit like
that coral. I mean, I think

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that was in forsound. That totally
could have been like the infrasound can make

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you hear voices in your head,
and so can like just total unmitigated horror

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and fear. I guess you know, I definitely was experienced all that at

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one time. Well, yeah,
you know, I bring up this account

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that we received in the museum when
these conversations come up. Now. I

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don't think it was last summer.
I think it was the summer before.

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A gentleman comes into the museum.
He was solo hiking, and I think

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Glacier National Park or maybe the Tetons
in that area, you know, And

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he comes around a corner, blind
corner and boom, there it is ten

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feet ahead of him there is a
grizzly bear, right, And I guess

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that's a serious situation when you're out
solo hiking, right, spooking a bear

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like that coming around the corner.
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stare at each other for a minute, and then a voice in his head

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said you need to get out of
here now. And of course, and

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are we left to think that the
bear is telepathic and it put that English

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sentence in the guy's head or is
that just the back of his own head

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screaming at him you need to get
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that there's also a lot of that
going on with these big foot telepathic you

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know encounters, and also, you
know, I also bring this story up,

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but I think I've said it before
on the on the podcast here when

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we were in Australia talking to the
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and I asked them, so,
some people in North America report that,

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you know, bigfoots can put messages
in your head at telepathic powers and

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like that you know what you're thinking, they know what you're thinking, and

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you know what they're thinking and all
this other stuff. And I asked them

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that the native people down there and
say, hey, does that happen here

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with the yowis and I and the
guy looked at me it kind of puzzled,

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and he said, well, I
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when so she's hungry and what she's
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out, and all these other things. So I but still that's not telepathy.

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That's just you know, knowing the
dog or whatever, But so anyway

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that I chose this particular I guess
article mostly for an example of bad media,

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a bad press about the bigfoot.
You know, about the sasquatch phenomenon,

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and how things like this put all
researchers kind of a bad light in

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a way advocating for the paranormal,
but all researchers the subject in general in

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a bad light and does damage to
the subject by driving the scientists away that

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we want to be involved in the
subject. Now, I think it's very

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clear that I don't think sasquatches are
paranormal in any way whatsoever. But if

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they are paranormal in some way in
any way, when we prove they're real,

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they will not be able to hide
that from us. It's just one

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of the things we'll discover about them
as we go along. We should not

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be leading with this paranormal stuff,
and we should do our best to ignore

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or refute articles like this when they
pop up, because this is not what

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we want. This is not the
kind of press that our subject needs out

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there, because we want scientists to
be involved at least I do. I

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think anybody who wants to learn more
about the subject or kind of you know,

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get to the end of this road, the discovery process, or you

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know, whatever you're up to in
the Bigfoot land, unless you're just doing

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it to I don't know, have
your own experience and share that with other

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people who want experiences, and that's
it. But the rest of us want

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other people involved so we can learn
more about these animals and what they do

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and all that kind of stuff.
We want scientists involved, and this kind

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of nonsense out in the press does
damage to that cause. So keep that

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in mind. Whenever any of you, any of us, are talking,

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like any of our listeners are talking
about sasquatch, sound sane, you know,

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sound normal, speak like sasquatches are
perfectly normal animals, even if you

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suspect that they're not. Because when
you're talking about Bigfoot, you probably know

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a little bit more about Bigfoot than
most citizens do. Present the subject like

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it's a rational subject worthy of investigation
instead of some hohoha that you know,

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like with Oi gi boards and you
know, reading chicken bones or whatever.

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You know, get that stuff away
from the subject. It'll sort of everyone

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better. Yeah, It's like Joe
Rogan had on two guys like one week

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or a week and a half that
were just spouting out these they call them

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theories, but basically nonsense to like
you know, the science community. And

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it was it caused a big,
like international uproar, Like you know,

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it's it's cool to hear other ideas
and stuff, but having these guys on

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such a huge platform, and like
the followers, like the accolytes they have

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just like rejecting real scientists for like
pseudosciences. It kind of is like,

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you know, it's you see you
see the damage it does. You see

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it on social media. You see
this social media where people are I heard

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I heard a podcast once and the
person on the podcast was refuting this idea

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the Sasquatches have ape like feet,
like flat, flexible feet. And this

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person had the gall to ask Meldrum, what makes your opinion there's a person

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on there. And then Meldrum was
on the same podcast, and and Meldrum

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was saying, well, no,
there's this blah blah blah, there's this

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evidence here, and the person had
the gall to ask Meldrum, what makes

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your opinion any more valuable than my
own on this matter? And this person

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was like a food you know,
like a service worker, like a food

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service worker I believe and Meltrum just
like what he said, Well, because

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I've devoted the entirety of my professional
life to this one subject, not Bigfoot,

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but the you know, the anatomy
of the ape foot. And but

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people I see it online, I
see it on Facebook all the time where

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people Meldrum doesn't know what he's talking
about. The hell he doesn't know what

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he's talking about. Like literally,
he's devoted his entire professional career to the

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anatomy of the ape foot. He
probably knows what he's talking about, and

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his opinion matters. And to like
what you're saying, Bobo on this podcast

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thing, like to discount scientists and
their opinions and their their professional opinions is

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ridiculous. In my opinions, it's
insulting to them personally and anybody else who

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likes the idea of science. Because
remember, science isn't like I know it,

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you don't. Science is a way
of thinking. It is a process

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of getting to the truth. And
that's why scientists publish papers. They put

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a paper out and they say,
hey, everybody, what do you think

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of this idea, here's my evidence. Tear it apart, go for it.

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Tear it apart and they do that's
that's what science is. Here's my

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idea, here's my evidence, and
what do you think about it? And

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then people can go in and nip
nitpick and do things and kind of massage

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these hypotheses into a theory. It
sounds like this person on the podcast,

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if they came out with this theory
about I think I caught some of that,

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like math, math is incorrect or
some nonsense or whatever. Right,

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one plus one on one times one
is two. Yeah, you know that's

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not that's not a theory. I
think that's they don't even understand that much.

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A hypothesis is a general here's my
guess, and if it stands up

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to scrutiny for a while, then
it becomes a theory. And then if

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you can sele it is something that
is more of a law, you know,

406
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.240
like we're talking about Newton's law or
whatever. But yeah, we live

407
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.880
in a very weird world where experts
are suddenly not experts. If what they

408
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.240
say doesn't agree with your own,
usually uneducated opinion on the matter, it's

409
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.680
aggravating, you know. It's it's
like someone who's never looked into Bigfoot at

410
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.880
all tells me all these reasons why
sasquatches could not possibly be real. It

411
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.000
comes back to Reneda Hendon, who
himself was not very educated, but very

412
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.920
intelligent. Man. Renea Hendon said
it best, man, without the facts,

413
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.079
your opinion doesn't matter. That's the
truest statement he ever made. It's

414
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.359
one of them. Yeah, that's
for sure. Anyway, he got me

415
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.319
all fired up. Man. Just
bad media, bad media. But again,

416
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.680
I wanted to wanted to put that
in here because of the damage that

417
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.519
these things do to us as individuals
and the subject that we all love.

418
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:49.720
And those are the articles to get
up there the most, those crazy ones

419
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.400
that are you know, just internet
fodder, like just clickbait like that.

420
00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:59.119
Those I get asked about those more
than anything real of course, of course.

421
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.720
Yeah, that that's what people want. They want something easy and clickbaitable,

422
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.359
and I don't have to think too
hard about it. And I can

423
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.599
believe in magic. I can believe
in magic instead of learning about what's behind

424
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:11.559
it all. And you know magic, I mean everything's magic at some point

425
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.680
until you learn what and actually what's
going on, then suddenly it's science.

426
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.160
It's not magic. You know,
it's ridiculous. And man, I played

427
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.799
dungeons and dragons. Man, if
anybody wants magic to be real, it's

428
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.680
me now, mind you, Miraculous
things do happen. I've had amazing things

429
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.119
in my life that are very hard
to explain, but nothing with animals.

430
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.799
You know, I've never seen a
bear disappear into a portal. You know.

431
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:37.559
No elk has come around the corner
and told me a mathematical solution to

432
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.839
you know, some theorem that just
doesn't happen. Man, But people like

433
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.839
to believe that, and people love
to explain one unknown with another, but

434
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.839
it does not get us anywhere.
Stop doing it. Yeah, so honest

435
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.759
say, like I mean, I
think all the research that all the researches

436
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:59.559
just going to three D like observable
scientific method and then if that other stuff's

437
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.119
real will come out. Yeah,
yeah, start there. You know.

438
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.599
An analogy is like if you're if
you're trying to pick up on somebody in

439
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.519
a bar, you don't start with
i've got a foot fetish, Yeah tell

440
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.240
the first. Yeah, you don't. You don't start with your your your

441
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.480
more eccentric personality traits. You know, you just don't do that unless you're

442
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.920
wording on your sleeve. Yeah,
I guess if you do start with your

443
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:30.640
more your your your more oblique personality
traits or preferences, and they latch onto

444
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.400
you, you know you found the
right person, right, so as you're

445
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:41.519
looking for I suppose so, I
suppose, So stay tuned for more Bigfoot

446
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:52.480
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will
be right back after these messages. Well,

447
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.799
Bobo, you want to choose the
next article, sure, let's see.

448
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:04.000
I like this one. Uh Ranting
is using leaves from climbing vine for

449
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:10.960
actually inflammatory pain relieving properties. That's
a I mean, we figured they did,

450
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.160
you know, they must, but
they now proven that they do specifically

451
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.240
use that leave for that exit and
they put it in. They also use

452
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.519
SAP and these to treat open cuts, which is pretty awesome. Yeah.

453
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.880
Of course, you know, most
people probably don't realize this in our modern

454
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.279
age, but you know, pretty
much all I'm going to say all but

455
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.799
I probably is I'm probably not quite
correct, but I'll say it anyway.

456
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.039
All medicines come from plants at some
point or another, or you know,

457
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.079
they tear apart a plant, find
out what that compound is inside the plant,

458
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.240
and then they replicate it inside a
laboratory. You know, that's basically

459
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:51.200
the foundation of all medicinal sort of
science in a way, herbology, because

460
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.599
plants have medicinal properties, and you
know, humans are part of the natural

461
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.720
world. We forget that sometimes that
we are part of the natural world.

462
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.680
We're not over seedars of everything else. We are actually interwoven with the fabric

463
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.359
of everything else. We live on
the planet with everything else, and we

464
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:12.079
you know, go back ten thousand
years, we go back to one hundred

465
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:17.599
years, we were using plant medicines
all the time, and we've kind of

466
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.880
divorced ourselves from that in some sort
of way because the birth of modern medicine

467
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.359
and science in chemistry and all that
sort of stuff. So we go into

468
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.880
the plant, we get the actual
compound out, we replicate it an a

469
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.960
laboratory, we mass produce it and
sell it for wildly inflated prices. Essentially,

470
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:36.880
that's you know, the way of
things nowadays. But you go back

471
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.200
far enough, and pretty much all
of these compounds have a source in plants

472
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.119
at some point, and so it
makes sense that orangutans and all ape species

473
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.559
would be doing it, which I
think is one of the interesting things about

474
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:55.880
examining closely what sasquatches are observed eating. I know that they've been seen in

475
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:00.119
willow thickets, and if I remember
correctly, willows are a source of not

476
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.440
only vitamin C, which would be
a pretty rare sort of thing in the

477
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:10.519
woods, I would imagine, but
also I believe that aspirin comes from the

478
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:15.240
bark of willows if I remember correctly. I could be wrong about that,

479
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:20.759
but that's what I seem to remember, and you know, so a useful

480
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.720
thing would be to perhaps do a
survey of medicinal wild native plants in your

481
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:31.039
area and examine the reports are sasquatch
is seen eating that plant? And then,

482
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.880
of course most people don't aren't familiar
with plants, because that's one of

483
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:43.599
the consequences of us of civilization,
of human beings domesticating themselves, is that

484
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.319
we've kind of divorced ourselves from the
knowledge of the local plants and really animals

485
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.440
too in a certain area. But
it's an area worthy of study, and

486
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.480
that's kind of brings back to another
point about how sasquatches. The study of

487
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.480
sasquatches is very, very multidisciplinary,
and I think that's one of the cool

488
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:07.480
things about this subject is that no
matter what you are into, there's probably

489
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:14.440
a niche in this field that you
could occupy, you know, whether if

490
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.839
maybe you're a botanist and right at
the aluet what we're talking about here,

491
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.920
and a botanist can address the kinds
of things that sasquatches are seen eating,

492
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.720
and maybe there's some sort of medicinal
use for them that would be drawing the

493
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.640
sasquatches in to eat those particular plants, you know. Or heck, if

494
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:37.079
you're a geologist, I know that
one scientist was looking at sasquatch reports and

495
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.680
their prevalence in areas with high mineral
content in the ground. That's right up

496
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.880
a geologists you know, sleeve,
so to speak, that they would love

497
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.559
to look into something like that.
You know. So, no matter what

498
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:54.000
you're into, the Bigfoot subject has
something for you. Now, look at

499
00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.039
fox glove is a very very common
plant here in the Pacific Northwest. I

500
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:00.960
mean, I can't keep it out
of my gardens. Might just let it

501
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.119
grow. It's a beautiful plant.
It's a lovely, towering sort of flower.

502
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:12.920
But the plant itself is the source
of a lot of heart medicines,

503
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.000
it turns out, you know,
like so if somebody has a congestive heart

504
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.119
failure or whatever, the kind of
drugs that they would be given by a

505
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.719
doctor. Their source is in Digitalis, which is a fox club. Of

506
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.000
course, it's a poisonous plant as
well, so you kind of have to

507
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.360
know what you're doing. And another
great example of a medicinal plant that is

508
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:37.119
very common throughout the entire Pacific Northwest
is Devil's Club. Now I don't but

509
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.440
you don't know if there's Devil's Club
in other parts of the country, or

510
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.960
prove it you're back there somewhere.
Does Devil's Club live in Tennessee or is

511
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.280
it is a Pacific Northwest thing.
I've only ever encountered it in the Pacific

512
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.119
Northwest. I haven't seen it in
any other part of the country. Well.

513
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.760
Yeah, it's a kind of a
nasty plant. I mean, it's

514
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.320
a really useful plant. I mean, it has fibers in it that the

515
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:59.320
native people use for baskets. It's
but it is covered covered with spiky,

516
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.119
nasty thorn hoors, you know,
and like the stems of this plant are

517
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.679
about as thick as your thumb.
They grow between maybe three and six or

518
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.039
seven feet tall. They usually grow
in like Riparian environments sit right next to

519
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.760
rivers where it's very very moist,
but the entire stem is just covered with

520
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:22.360
the nastiest thorns you could even you
can never imagine. And also the leaves

521
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.480
themselves are covered with thorns. It's
it's rare to find a plant where the

522
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:31.760
leaves themselves are also terrible as well
as the stem. And it's actually reflected

523
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.679
in the Latin name, the genus
and species name taxonomic name of the planet

524
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:44.679
itself. I'm looking at it right
now. It's opala plane x horridese horrids

525
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.639
as like horrid. It's terrible,
but it's also very very useful, very

526
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.599
useful. It's used for rheumatism and
stomach trouble. You can get you can

527
00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:00.400
get rid of lice and dandriff with
it. It's good for boils and infections.

528
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.159
So if you did see a sasquatch
in a field of these things,

529
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.320
I don't think that I would suspect
sasquatches would mind the thorns too much.

530
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.519
It be like a backscratcher to them
probably, And they're eating this stuff.

531
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.679
Well, then maybe then you have
yourself an interesting hypothesis. You know,

532
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.280
why is the sasquatch eating. This
would be a good question to ask,

533
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.039
and then you can say, well, maybe it's sick, maybe it has

534
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.880
an affection, maybe this, maybe
that, and all these sort of things

535
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.000
would give us just a little bit
of insight in the way sasquatches live,

536
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.760
especially if there is some sort of
way to verify that. Like if you

537
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.920
saw a sasquatch with a wound,
for example, in a devil's club thicket

538
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.079
or something like that, and it
was tearing it off and putting it on

539
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.440
like they saw this orangutan in the
article, that would be pretty cool.

540
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.440
That would be really neat, And
we should expect that at some point,

541
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:54.719
after sasquatches can be studied in their
natural environment doing what they naturally do,

542
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:01.039
we should expect to find this sort
of behavior wherever they are in the convent,

543
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.079
using the local native plants to their
own benefit. You know, I

544
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.559
got to wonder, now, where
did the orangutan learn this behavior? Well,

545
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:12.800
I said, they've never seen it
done by any other orangutan like that,

546
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.599
because it was putting on the liquid
of it, it was spitting,

547
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.280
it was chewing the leaves and then
spitting it out of us, then swallowing

548
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:22.239
the leaves and then after a while
it choots something to quit and they would

549
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.719
take the whole chewed up leaf and
pack it in the wound itself. After

550
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.199
you put all this the juicy chewed
u about initially that he packed it with

551
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.119
the leaf matter. Well, you
know, in other ape species are known

552
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.360
to do this sort of thing as
well, because I think we did talk

553
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.800
about something like this a few years
ago, but I think it was a

554
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:44.079
chimpanzees being seen eating and using medicinal
plants. And again, you know,

555
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.199
they're apes, they're smart. They
do that. We're apes, We're smart,

556
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.880
we do that. It makes perfect
sense that sasquatches would probably do this

557
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.239
same sort of stuff too, especially
with the bounty of medicinal plants here in

558
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.559
the in on our content in it. You know, yeah, I heard

559
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.760
a theory one time, or an
idea that early Native people, you know,

560
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.239
think about like, you know,
fifteen twenty thirty thousand years ago,

561
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.760
and the very very first humans were
making their way to North America and to

562
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.679
this brand new continent where everything is
kind of peculiar, Like obviously there were

563
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.400
redwoods here. There are redwoods over
in Asia at the same latitude. There's

564
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.639
probably some similarities. You know.
That's one of the things I noticed traveling

565
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.559
with finding Bigfoot is that everywhere we
went that there were sasquatches. Most places

566
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.159
had ferns, you know, most
places had rhododendrons or something just like them.

567
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:36.360
The similarities were very interesting to me. So as people, you know,

568
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:42.320
made their way slowly over generations onto
this continent, they probably were kind

569
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.880
of picking up like, well,
we ate those before we could eat those

570
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.320
here. And because this migration didn't
happen in one generation, it happened over

571
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.920
many, many generations of humans coming
to North America. But I've heard a

572
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:59.679
theory that people learned what they could
eat by watching the other animals, watching

573
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.239
grizzly bears or bears in general,
doing the black bears, maybe doing what

574
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.679
they do, and then trying those
food items out, because you know,

575
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.360
it's a scary thing trying a new
food item out. You know, there

576
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:14.400
are mushrooms here in the Pacific Northwest
that if you eat them, everything seems

577
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.280
fine until five to seven days later
when your liver shuts down and you die.

578
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.920
You know, eating new food items
is a treacherous gamble, I think.

579
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.880
But as one moves into a new
area, if you look at what

580
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.440
the other animals that are kind of
similar to you in some ways, like

581
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:36.679
bears and stuff, what they're eating, then you have a head start on

582
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.320
that. Perhaps, you know,
so maybe that's how ape species including humans,

583
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.440
learned new medicinal treatments for whatever ails
them. But I don't know.

584
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:51.639
I'm just kind of hypothesizing right now, So not theorizing, hypothesizing as correct,

585
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:53.639
just kind of thinking, kind of
thinking out loud, which is what

586
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:58.760
this podcast is all about. And
sometimes, you know, we got another

587
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.639
orangutang article the nest building. Yeah, yeah, there is another orangutan article.

588
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.480
It's right here. It's called Somatrin. Orangutans start crafting their engineering skills

589
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.719
as infants. The baby primates start
early on nest building techniques, a craft

590
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:19.079
that takes years to hone. Yeah, this is an interesting article to me

591
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.840
because you know, I've been privileged
enough to see the actual nests at the

592
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.840
Olympic Project site. In both locations, there's two nest sites, if you

593
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.000
want to call them that. Now. The first, the first nest site

594
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.920
isn't that's probably not the best words
for it, actually, because there's actually

595
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.760
over twenty nests about over maybe a
half mile or so stretch of ridge.

596
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:44.280
So the entire ridge is kind of
referred to as the first nest site,

597
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.280
and the second nest site, to
my knowledge, only has a nest.

598
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:52.599
There's only one nests on that second
ridge that they've found so far. If

599
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:53.519
I'm correct, and I could be
wrong about that, We should probably have

600
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.679
Shane or somebody back on the podcast
for some updates at some point. I

601
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:02.280
think it'd be fun. But the
first nest site, once they started looking

602
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.960
for examples that matched what they were
observing. When I say they the Olympic

603
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.400
Project guys, you know, and
the guys and gals at the Olympic Project,

604
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:14.320
when they started looking online for things
that looked like what they had found

605
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:20.599
in the woods, the best match
by far was gorillaests. Gorillas, of

606
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.679
course, are mostly terrestrial animals.
They don't really go in trees a whole

607
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:29.800
lot, especially as they grow older
and larger. They're pretty much terrestrial animals

608
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:34.679
for the most part, especially mountain
gorillas the largest of the gorillas. There's

609
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.920
you know, a couple probably subspecies
of gorillas, but there's the two main

610
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.880
categories are lowland gorillas, which are
the ones that you've always seen in zoos.

611
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.280
And there's also mountain gorillas, which
are very rare. I think there's

612
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.039
less than there's about three hundred of
them in the world, or so approximately

613
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:54.079
maybe four hundred if we're lucky.
They're larger than lowland gorillas, and for

614
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.679
some reason they die in captivity.
I've always found that to be interesting.

615
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:04.239
But you've never seen a mountain gorilla
in captivity because they die. Kind of

616
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.840
wonder if a sasquatch would do that
the same thing. But when the Olympic

617
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:12.280
Project was looking at these nests of
gorillas, one of the things they found

618
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.480
was a peculiar sort of nest up
in a bush, up in a bush

619
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.599
like off the ground. The rest
of these purported sasquatch nests are actually on

620
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.280
the ground, but there was a
nest like structure inside a bush a few

621
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:32.039
feet off the ground. And by
studying gorilla nests, what the Olympic Projects

622
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:42.000
stumbled upon was that gorillas teach their
young to make nests in trees and shrubs

623
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.039
off the ground, just a few
feet off the ground sometimes, or maybe

624
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.880
up on a tree a little bit
more. Could that be what the Olympic

625
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:52.760
Project found at the first nest site. I think so. I think so

626
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:58.840
too, And as evidence to support
my hypothesis, we have to come back

627
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.800
to Lori. Joe Hamilton, a
good friend of mine, great researcher,

628
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.800
one of these quiet people, totally
off the radar, Very few people know

629
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:13.400
about her. She had been working
the area for sasquatch footprints for years before

630
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.159
the nest site was discovered. Now
it's kind of funny because Laurie doesn't know

631
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:21.760
where the nest site is even to
this day, and the Olympic Project folks

632
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.440
didn't know anything about Lori until I
made the connection between the two groups.

633
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:31.400
Laurie had been finding sasquatch footprints around
that general area of the nest site,

634
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.480
with a few miles here, east, west, north, south, all

635
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.840
that stuff for years before the Olympic
Project stumbled across these nests. Then,

636
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.440
of course, the nests were are
on private land, so Laurie would have

637
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.519
no access to the area and all
that other stuff. But some of the

638
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.679
footprint casts that Laurie had discovered previous
to the discovery of the nests are juvenile

639
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.599
prints. She gave me the Originals. I have the Originals in my collection.

640
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.880
They're about seven eight inches long,
probably the same animal. I have

641
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.280
two casts of these two casts from
the general area, so we know that

642
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.719
juvenile sasquatches are in the area of
these nests. And the fact that the

643
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:19.119
Olympic Project found nests off the ground
in the same sort of style that gorillas

644
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.440
teach their juveniles when they're teaching them
the skills to make nests. I think

645
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.000
that's really cool. I think that's
really really cool. And I also think

646
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:34.519
that this is an interesting trail of
clues to follow when you're trying to hone

647
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.000
in, like trying to close in
on a hypothesis of some sort. You

648
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.679
know, we can now I think
safely hypothesize that sasquatches teach their young to

649
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.519
make nests in the same manner as
gorillas, because it's a sound idea and

650
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:55.679
there's actually evidence from nearby to support
that this might be going on. I

651
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:00.280
think that's great. It's a much
safer way to approach this. Then bigfoots

652
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.199
made these nests and there's juveniles,
and this is why, Well, that

653
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.880
might be true, but it's it's
careful the language we use when we're talking

654
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:15.559
about sasquatches. We want to appear
sane, even if it's challenging stay tuned

655
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.719
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo will be right back after these

656
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:30.000
messages. The orangutans they started,
they said, start building it. Six

657
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.880
months they practiced like and they're terrible
at it. But by the time there

658
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.280
are three or four that are building
up to twenty nests a day. Practicing.

659
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.159
It's their main thing they do to
like, you know, keep themselves

660
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.840
busy when they're when they're young,
but still stick with they're not weaned yet,

661
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.880
Like that's one of their main activities
besides of play is building nests and

662
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.119
they build them above it's the four
five. They can build pretty decent ones

663
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.280
that they'll so they build them above
the mother's nests in case because there takes

664
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:02.360
years and years to make us structurally
sound one and uh so they'll build it

665
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.559
a build the mother's nests. Uff
it does collapse, they just follow,

666
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.320
you know, a few feet they're
on they're on the mother's nest. You

667
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.559
know. This article talks a little
bit about after they they've kind of got

668
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:21.159
the foundations of nest building, uh
you know down they start building in comfort

669
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.280
features, which I think is kind
of cool as well, you know,

670
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.320
like roofs, or like soft things
or blankets and that kind of thing.

671
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.039
The blankets made not not real blankets, of course, but blankets made out

672
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.360
of foliage, but of plants and
leaves and that sort of stuff. Now,

673
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.440
having seen the Olympic Project nests,
I can't really say that there are

674
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:45.199
any comfort features in them, except
the second nest site might be an exception,

675
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.880
and I've talked about that before in
the podcast. How I believe that

676
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:54.199
the sasquatch was repurposing a bare den
for its own purpose, because it was

677
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.960
like a little heidi hole cave thing
under a log. And of course we've

678
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.119
also spoken to people on this podcasts
who had seen sasquatches running out of their

679
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.159
hiding places inside big hollow logs and
that sort of stuff. So maybe that's

680
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.800
the idea of a creature comfort.
I guess for these creatures is some sort

681
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:14.360
of a roof or whatever, but
I don't really know. I don't really

682
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:19.000
know because the nest sites so far
are I wouldn't say singular, but I

683
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.079
will say that they're extraordinarily rare,
and I can see why, having seen

684
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.239
the nests, they would easily be
either missed or ignored as maybe a bear

685
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.920
den or something like that, if
it wasn't for those rocks that were found

686
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.039
adjacent to one of the nests that
had clearly been struck together because of the

687
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.599
scoring on there, or the Sasquatch
footprints that were found literally underneath the nesting

688
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:44.960
material, indicating that they were deposited
there in the substrate before the nesting material

689
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.559
was piled upon it. So yeah, but I could easily say you would

690
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:55.000
never even notice these things, And
luckily the timber cruiser who found them recognized

691
00:47:55.000 --> 00:48:00.039
that they were unusual and reported them
to Derek Randalls. This is it for

692
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.000
a ring of towns for now.
Well for now, we'll be back,

693
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.320
I'm sure. Yeah. Oh you
know when I thought I sent in,

694
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.000
but I didn't. I wanted to
send in that one about the update on

695
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.840
the tours on the on the clunder
earlier. So using your voice, your

696
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.639
narration for the Bigfoot tour I saw, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

697
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.440
the Spirit Boat tours. I helped
them a couple of years ago before COVID

698
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:30.840
to develop a Bigfoot tour on the
Columbia River where basically you go down downtown.

699
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.599
You know where amsy is right,
The Oregon Museum of Science and Industry

700
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.760
it's downtown on the Willamette River.
Their their offices are right next door to

701
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.559
Amsy and you can go and you
can hop on a boat there and it's

702
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.400
cool. Say this this really fast
jet boat. It's pretty cool, man.

703
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:47.639
And I think the tour is running
in the same sort of way.

704
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.039
I don't think they shortened it or
lengthened it or anything like that. So

705
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.800
you hop on the boat there,
and you have these Bluetooth headphones that you

706
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:58.320
put on and then you hear my
voice because I did the narration. I

707
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.039
supplied all the contents, I supply
the artifacts, I supplied everything with this

708
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.159
tour. And you hop on the
boat there, and I mean, it's

709
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.559
a great boat, right anyway,
you know, there's so much stuff to

710
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.800
see, like in downtown Portland from
the river. And when you give back,

711
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.599
so they drive up the wa or
drive down the Willamette River to the

712
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.679
confluence where it flows into the Columbia
River, and then they hang a right

713
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.599
and they go upstream all the way
to Cascade Locks. I think. So

714
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.000
it's kind of a run, man. But you're on this rad boat that

715
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:34.440
goes really fast, and you have
these headphones on and at various points on

716
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:39.639
the tour. You hear me my
voice talking about the various points of interest

717
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.639
in the area, you know,
like I go over the Abe Canyon event,

718
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.239
for example, or I go over
some of the siding reports around Beacon

719
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:50.719
Rock from back in the day that
led to the passage of the law in

720
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:55.239
this Camania County that made it illegal
issued sasquatches, or you know, just

721
00:49:55.320 --> 00:50:01.280
points of interest, both Bigfoot centric
as also and also just a normal tourism

722
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:06.000
stuff that a lot of people are
interested in. So yeah, that tour

723
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.239
is up and running again, and
it's gonna be running I think until September.

724
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:13.039
It's not directly associated with the museum
or anything, but I will say

725
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.639
I like it. It's cool.
I've been on the tour myself. I

726
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.639
got to go out with you know, on the maiden voyage so to speak.

727
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.519
It ran last year too, but
at some point or another, the

728
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.159
boat ran into a little bit of
engine trouble, so they had to stop

729
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:27.920
it a few weeks early. But
apparently it's a brand new engine in the

730
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.280
boat. They redid the whole thing
and it's up and running and super cool.

731
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.960
A lot of people have been coming
into the museum saying that they did

732
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.719
visit that or were going to,
and the reviews are are pretty pretty good,

733
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.079
man, So it's something to be
proud of. So if you want

734
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.719
to spend a day on a river, which is a good idea because it's

735
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.599
you know, it's pretty hot up
here being summer and all. But if

736
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.760
you want to spend a day on
a river and go check out some beautiful

737
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.280
sites, see the waterfalls all up
and down the Columbia River from the water

738
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:58.280
itself, and learn a little bit
about about the Bigfoot history and lore of

739
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.840
the area directly from me, it's
a great way to spend a day.

740
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.920
Man. I wanted to ask you
because they have a big Foot tour guide

741
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:07.960
that goes off of what you say. I guess, like for follow up

742
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:14.239
stuff, did you like give like
advise them at all? For those guys

743
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.320
the docents, I guess they are
or something like no, no, no,

744
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:20.400
I don't know who they have.
It's probably they probably have a variety

745
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.280
a small number of people that do
that sort of thing. But the docin

746
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:28.159
is important because also on this tour, besides just wearing earphones and listening to

747
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.920
my voice telling you stuff, I
supplied a bunch of reality. I supplied

748
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:36.280
a bunch of footprint casts, and
I supplied some pheromone chips and that sort

749
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.519
of thing so people can look and
feel and touch and smell various items,

750
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:43.800
because I think, Bobo, you
know how it is with you see a

751
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.360
footprint cast in a book and then
you see the footprint cast in person.

752
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:51.079
It's a different experience. I hear
people say it in the museum all the

753
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.079
time, like I've only seen pictures
of these things. They look so different

754
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.840
in real life. It has a
whole other dimension. It really does,

755
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.599
it really does. So I remember
part of the I remember speaking about how

756
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:06.760
the Sasquatch foot is different than the
human foot in various ways, in the

757
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.519
midfoot flexibility and all that sort of
jazz. And I remember I supplied Freeman

758
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.079
cast from nineteen ninety one from the
Mill Creek Road incident there that has a

759
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.599
beautiful mid tarsal pressure ridge in it. Or I think I even gave him

760
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:21.960
a copy of the Patterson stuff.
I'm not sure. I had to go

761
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.079
back and check that, but yeah, so, I don't know. It's

762
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:25.920
a good tour. It's a good
tour. It's a lot of fun.

763
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.360
It's on the water. Portland's a
beautiful town. Yeah, so I would

764
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.639
recommend that if you're coming to the
Pacific Northwest, you know, either right

765
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.960
before or right after you come to
the North American Bigfoot Center, go on

766
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.320
that tour. It's pretty cool.
I've done it, I liked it,

767
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:43.000
I'd do it. So I'm glad
that's speaking the news out there. I

768
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.679
know that the Spirit boat tours came
by a couple of weeks ago and dropped

769
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:49.840
off some flyers at the museum.
Well, you know, Bob, but

770
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.199
we have a number of articles here
that we didn't even get to. There's

771
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:59.880
one about full sequences of various ape
species like chromosomes. What light that has

772
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:01.760
upon us, you know, because
one of the main reasons we study great

773
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.920
apes in general, and I would
say this is included including Sasquatch, is

774
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.159
to learn a little bit about ourselves
and our brethren. There's another one about

775
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:15.239
a new great ape species discovered in
the fossil record, a very small one

776
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.280
twenty two pounds or so or something
like that. We had a couple other

777
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.960
articles that we're not just not going
to have time to get to because we

778
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.199
need to get off the line here
and jump onto our members section. Our

779
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:27.840
members section today or this week,
I guess for you listeners out there,

780
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.880
we're going to be talking about the
Blue Mountain expedition that I did about a

781
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.639
week and a half two weeks ago, and we're going to take some of

782
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.679
the questions from our members. So
if you want to become a member,

783
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.480
click that show note thing that Matt
pro puts down there every single episode,

784
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.519
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join us in the Beyond Bigfoot and Beyond

785
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.840
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786
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.199
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787
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.719
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788
00:53:53.719 --> 00:54:02.960
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789
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.519
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790
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