WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:34.200 Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm 2 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:41.039 Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case. September fourteenth, nineteen sixty 3 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:46.159 five, Coral Gables, Florida. After leaving work, twenty two year old 4 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:51.880 Judith Hyams vanishes without a trace and her rental cars found abandoned in Atlanta. 5 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.439 It turns out that Judith was pregnant and had been seeking an illegal abortion, 6 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:02.840 but when the alleged doctor is arrested, he spail and disappears. Twenty four 7 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.120 years later, a police captain receives bizarre, anonymous phone calls stating that Judith 8 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:12.439 is still alive, prompting him to reopen the case. Investigators soon receive an 9 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:18.719 anonymous letter revealing that Judith died of complications from her abortion, but her body 10 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.400 is never found and the source of the strange phone calls remains unknown. After 11 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:29.079 that, the path went chilly, So today we are covering the nineteen sixty 12 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:34.079 five disappearance of Judith Hyams. This case was featured on a very memorable segment 13 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.120 on Unsolved Mysteries and if you asked a hardcore fan to rank the most quotable 14 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:41.799 lines in the show's history. I'm sure this one would rank right near the 15 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:47.400 very top. Judy Himes is alive and she lives in Omaha. This disappearance 16 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.439 is a pretty unique mystery, and that the solution seemed pretty straightforward at the 17 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:55.840 time it originally took place. The most likely explanation was that Judy had died 18 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.719 from complications during an illegal abortion and the responsible parties the whole thing up. 19 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:05.719 However, nearly a quarter century after the case faded into obscurity, it was 20 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:09.840 revived in the most unlikely fashion when the Coral Gables Police Department started receiving an 21 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:15.240 incredibly bizarre series of anonymous phone calls from multiple individuals, and yes, one 22 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:20.800 of them stated that Judy Himes was still alive and living in Omaha, Nebraska. 23 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.639 Quite frankly, the biggest mystery in this case might not be what happened 24 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.840 to Judy, but why her story was revived by these phone calls completely out 25 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.840 of the blue so many years later. But the one indisputable fact is that 26 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:37.039 Judy has still never been found. So this is definitely an unsolved mystery which 27 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:42.719 deserves further exploration. Oh my goodness, there is a lot to unpack just 28 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.319 in this first introduction. So we're talking about nineteen sixty five, where a 29 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:53.599 twenty two year old woman is pregnant, and so I'm assuming she's not married. 30 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.319 Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. Okay, So she has 31 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.840 a lot coming at her. She's twenty two years old, which is I 32 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.520 was not ready to have children when I was twenty two, and I think 33 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.840 that's you know, some people are ready at nineteen, some people aren't ready 34 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.400 at forty, right, But at twenty two, Judith was pregnant and according 35 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.120 to the information so far, did not want to keep the pregnancy. This 36 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:20.000 is nineteen sixty five, and she's an unwed mother. So whether you agree 37 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.280 or not with abortion, the reality is just like drugs and guns, you 38 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.400 can make something illegal and people are still going to do it. And when 39 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:32.560 you make it illegal, people have to turn to very risky behaviors like same 40 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:38.080 with prostitution. Right when it's illegal and sex work is illegal, then they 41 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.719 can't be healthy and they can't be protected, and you can't monitor anything that's 42 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.000 coming and going. So same with abortion here. It's nineteen sixty five. 43 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.520 Unfortunately, we're not in too different of a state in two thousand and twenty 44 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.400 three. But poor Judath is making one of the most difficult decisions I think 45 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.599 a person can ever face, Do I keep this pregnancy or not. I 46 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:01.280 don't think many people take that lightly, and so whether you agree with it 47 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.759 or not, I'm so empathetic to Judith in this moment. She's in a 48 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.560 horrible position and trying to get help from people. If she did get help 49 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.279 from somebody and they were performing in a legal abortion, their only option if 50 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:19.720 she's sick or if she's hurt, is to get rid of the evidence that 51 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:25.560 she's sick or heart because they would be imprisoned, they would lose their family, 52 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:29.120 they would lose you know, someone could hurt them because they're performing a 53 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.519 legal abortion. So God, this is going to be a rough case. 54 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.720 I feel like all the way around. Definitely isn't. It goes in a 55 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.480 number of bizarre directions. And one thing I wanted to mention is that the 56 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.519 reason I picked this case is that you might recall that Ashley missed a couple 57 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.519 of episodes that Juel and I had to do together, and when Ashley finally 58 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.959 came back. Somebody wrote a comment on the episode of my Patreon page that 59 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:57.560 said Ashley Wellman is alive and she lives in Arkansas. So that was such 60 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.480 a perfect tribute that I'm like, I had to do the Judah High Judith 61 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:03.040 Him's case next. Oh my god, they miss me, they did. 62 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:08.040 Ye. People do miss you when you're gone. Of course, that is 63 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.639 super cool. I'll tell you, y'all have been fabulous. As you guys 64 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.279 know, I've been dealing with a lot of family health issues and difficulties there. 65 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.439 But my gosh, I miss you guys just as much when I'm not 66 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.800 around. So yes, Ashley woman is alive. She lives in Eureka Springs, 67 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:30.879 Arkansas. Our story begins in nineteen sixty five in Coral Gables, Florida, 68 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:36.160 which is located in Dade County, about seven miles southwest of downtown Miami. 69 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:42.160 Our central figure is twenty two year old Judith Carol Hyams, who goes 70 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:46.839 by the name Judy. Judy is the daughter of a wealthy developer and works 71 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:51.319 as a lab technician in the University of Miami Medical School at Jackson Memorial Hospital. 72 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:57.480 Even though she had previously been married to an investment banker, Judy got 73 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.439 divorced from him in June of this year. And has recently begun dating a 74 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:06.879 local dentist named Lucian Gordon. On September fourteenth, Judy left work early and 75 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.240 told one of her friends that she was planning to go shopping to purchase an 76 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.759 expensive watch. The previous day, Judy had gone to Biscayne Federal Bank and 77 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.720 withdrew three hundred dollars, which she was presumably going to use for this purchase. 78 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.240 While a watch was delivered to Judy's home the following day, she was 79 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.000 not there to receive it, and when she failed to resurface, she was 80 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:35.279 subsequently reported missing. One week later, police learned that an abandoned Chevrolet Impalla 81 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:40.759 registered under Judy's name, had been found over six hundred and fifty miles north 82 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:46.720 in a residential neighborhood in Atlanta. Since Judith's own vehicle had recently been damaged 83 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.959 by Hurricane Betsy, this Impala had been functioning as her rental car. There 84 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.240 was a blood stain found on the back seat and over fifty latent fingerprints inside 85 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:00.360 the vehicle. But the problem was that since this was a rental which had 86 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.199 previously been used by multiple people, it was impossible to determine if any of 87 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:09.480 the prince had belonged to someone who may have had involvement in Judy's disappearance. 88 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:14.000 Theoretically, even the blood stain could have been left by someone who rented the 89 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.120 car before Judy did, and the stain was described as being small enough that 90 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:23.639 it could have been caused by something as minor as cutting one's finger. These 91 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.800 cars that are a mannon miles and miles away or you know, hundreds of 92 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.120 miles away are always so difficult to dissect. What does it mean? Right? 93 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.639 How did it get there? Because so many things could have happened. 94 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.959 Judy could have easily driven the car there perhaps at the time. I don't 95 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.959 know the details of it, but of states at the time, but perhaps 96 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.160 Florida did not have legal abortions and Georgia did, or you know, maybe 97 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:51.399 she was seeking help out of the state. Also, if she didn't drive 98 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:57.680 it, she could have been kidnapped, left the car whatever, and someone 99 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.439 else could have just found the car and driven it a way. There's actually 100 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.879 a lot of research that shows that people who are going to commit a crime, 101 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.240 they'll actually leave a car that they steal in a high risk area with 102 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.360 the hopes that somebody will go retrieve the car or start to destroy the car, 103 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.959 or someone could have purposely hurt Judy and said, I've got to get 104 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.240 this car as far away from Florida as I can possibly do without causing a 105 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.160 lot of attention to me. So it's difficult. Is this Judy's doing? 106 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.879 Is this someone else who hurt Judy and then dumped her car, or is 107 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:35.200 it something that's more innocent of, like not related to Judy's disappearance, but 108 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.279 the car was found and driven there by someone who's not related to her. 109 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.879 I'm always impressed by cases that are way in the past, before there was 110 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:50.559 all these different databases and the ability for states to communicate with each other through 111 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.080 those means, and then you have a situation where this car is in another 112 00:08:54.120 --> 00:09:00.159 state, but yet somehow it gets traced back and they're notified that this is 113 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.200 indeed Judy's car. Because I think when you look kind of before the advent 114 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:09.759 of the Internet and all the different databases where different law enforcement agencies share information, 115 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.919 you have situations where you dump a body outside of state lines, or 116 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.159 you dump a vehicle, and things like that even county lines, and people 117 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.159 seem to have a difficult time. Tracy at back because these different sheriff's department 118 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:26.799 or police departments, different law enforcement agencies don't seem to communicate with each other 119 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.840 adequately. Yeah, that's why it is impressive that they were able to communicate 120 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.519 so well in nineteen sixty five, because my theory is that whoever drove it 121 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.279 there was probably hoping that it would never be found. They were hoping that 122 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.200 the Georgia authorities would find this car and never communicate with Florida, and that 123 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.519 people would be more baffled by Judy's disappearance, so that I think they were 124 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.399 just trying to throw off the investigation. But surprisingly they file the car relatively 125 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.639 quickly and were able to communicate it that have belonged to Judy. A local 126 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.080 resident had recalled seeing it unidentified man parking the impol in the neighborhood before he 127 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.159 removed a daffel bag from the trunk and walked away. The man was described 128 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.759 as being in his twenties with a sandy haired crew cut and a bad complexion. 129 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:11.399 The witness also claimed that she saw this man return to the scene a 130 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.279 few days later with a dark haired girl who resembled Judy, and they both 131 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.360 looked at the car before driving away in a view of special Well. This 132 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.840 man and woman were eventually tracked down, but it turned out the woman was 133 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:24.759 not Judy and it was not the same man who had a band in the 134 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.960 car. The couple had just heard a radio broadcast about the missing him Paula, 135 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:31.840 and when they saw it parked on the street, they decided to go 136 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:37.000 check the tag numbers well, attempting to trace the man who parked the vehicle, 137 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:41.519 investigators checked flight records and discovered that an individual only using the name Smith 138 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.360 had paid cash to purchase a plane ticket from Atlanta to Miami shortly after the 139 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.080 Impala was dropped off. However, they were unable to track him down and 140 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.679 the driver was never identified. What I mean. I know, we didn't 141 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.159 have a lot of record keeping at the time, and you could pay cash 142 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.039 for a plane ticket, but Smith, like he didn't need a first and 143 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.120 last name. Did you not have to show your idea when you checked in? 144 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.399 Oh, definitely not, because you'll remember the most famous example of this 145 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:09.480 is dB Cooper, which took place in nineteen seventy one. If he ever 146 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.559 showed an ID, he just gave a fake name, because back then you 147 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.399 could just board the plane by saying whatever you wanted and paying cash and knowing 148 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.360 would have to trace you. Unbelievable. Yeah, that's a fascinating case. 149 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.879 Investigators soon uncovered a potential explanation for why Judy went missing, as a receipt 150 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:33.360 for a pregnancy test was found among her personal effects. The test had taken 151 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.279 place at a medical lab on August thirty first, and she'd used the name 152 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.279 b Kenny. However, one of the lab technicians was able to confirm that 153 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.879 b Kenny was Judy because they'd gone to technicians school together, so she recognized 154 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:52.320 her. Four days after Judy disappeared, an attorney named Daniel Seppler approached the 155 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.960 state's Attorney's office claiming that two other attorneys had asked him for advice on behalf 156 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.559 of a potential client who might have been involved in procuring or aiding a criminal 157 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:09.000 abortion. Seppler said that this was connected to the missing girl and found out 158 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.759 the attorney had received phone calls from the office of a doctor named Gordon, 159 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.480 and the actual abortionist was someone with the name that was difficult to pronounce well. 160 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.679 Judith just happened to know two doctors with the last named Gordon. Doctor 161 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.600 Lucian Gordon, the dentist whom she had recently started dating, and doctor Herschel 162 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.159 Gordon, who was a friend of the Hiams family. The two men weren't 163 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.000 related, though Herschel was the one who had introduced Judith to Lucian. When 164 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.480 Judith took her pregnancy tests, the lab asked her for the name of a 165 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.919 doctor she could mail the results too, and she provided the address for Lucian's 166 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.679 office. Both of the Gordons were subpoena to appear at the State's Attorney's office, 167 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.799 but Herschel refused to answer any questions without the presence of an attorney. 168 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.399 He also wouldn't speak to Judy's family and eventually moved to California. However, 169 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.639 the family believe Judy would have trusted herschel Eneugh to go to him if she 170 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:09.080 needed a referral about an abortion. Well, Lucian was initially cooperative with investigators. 171 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.080 He kept postponing his appointments to speak with the State's Attorney's office and finally 172 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.480 started pleading the Fifth Amendment when he was asked questions under oath. This is 173 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:24.960 really tough because Lucian should have had a little bit more kind of compassionate empathy. 174 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.919 Judith goes missing. They were dating. I'm assuming he was a little 175 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:33.440 bit older. He's an established dentist and she is twenty two years old working 176 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.000 for the hospital. But it's possible that he was the one who got Judy 177 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.799 pregnant and likely knew that she was pregnant. And then here's Judy going, 178 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.679 okay, who do I know that I trust? And Herschel comes to mind, 179 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.320 right, I can reach out and talk to him. But both these 180 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.600 people seemed to just go, well, she's gone, I'm moving forward, 181 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.159 and I don't want to help at all. And it's sad because these are 182 00:13:54.200 --> 00:14:00.039 people that you know, they trusted doctor Herschel, Gordon and then Lucian and 183 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.720 should have had some idea that, okay, I at least want to talk 184 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.840 to her family or like give my condolence as the family. He didn't seem 185 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.039 to care whatsoever, Like this was a relief that he was that she was 186 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.240 gone. I feel like ten out to ten. He is likely the father 187 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.480 of her onborn baby. She was indeed pregnant, because otherwise why would you 188 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:24.480 have the result mailed to his office? I agree, and it seems likely 189 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.960 that even though maybe they still cared about Judy and didn't want her to go 190 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.159 missing, that abortion was such a taboo subject that because they were complicit and 191 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.720 referred her to a doctor who could give her an abortion, that's why they're 192 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.240 being so secretive and can't talk about it because they know they'll probably get into 193 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.960 a lot of trouble. And part of it might be too, because what 194 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:48.080 kind of doctors doctor Herschel Gordon. Is he like a medical doctor? I 195 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.960 think so, yeah, yeah, I mean if he's the medical doctor, 196 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.279 and then we've brought doctor Lucy and Gordon he's a dentist. If that gets 197 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.159 out into the press, it was a time period in nineteen sixty five where 198 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.919 you might not want your name attached to a young woman who's gone missing and 199 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.279 a potential illegal abortion. It may be professionally impactful in a negative way. 200 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.919 Absolutely, he would lose his license, and I mean and Ann go to 201 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.720 prison. So it wouldn't just stop it like, Okay, you're gonna absolutely 202 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.720 lose your license. You could serve prison time, and my god, we 203 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.840 talked about this a lot that I might be empathetic to other people, but 204 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.799 when it comes to my family and losing my job, a lot. I 205 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:31.159 mean, I think people would be like, Nope, I gotta protect what 206 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:37.159 I have going. Anyways, you probably know abortion was still illegal back in 207 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.000 nineteen sixty five, and it was suspected that the abortionist that Daniel Seppler had 208 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:46.720 mentioned with a difficult to pronounce name was a Hungarian immigrant named George Hodju. 209 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.879 When Hadju was questioned, he admitted that he had met Judy on a previous 210 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.759 occasion years earlier, but denied having seen her on the day she went missing. 211 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.480 Well, needless to say, had You had quite a shady history. 212 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:02.919 The previous year. Had You had been charged with a conspiracy to commit abortion 213 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.039 following a sting operation in which an undercover female police officer arranged to have an 214 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:12.039 illegal abortion performed by him for five hundred dollars. Hadju would also be charged 215 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:17.519 with unlawful practice of medicine once it was discovered that he did not actually have 216 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:22.240 a medical license. Hadju claimed that he was licensed to practice medicine in his 217 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.759 native Hungary, though he admitted that he did not have a valid license in 218 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.159 the United States. The rumors surrounding Judy's disappearance actually played a role in prompting 219 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:36.000 Gay county law enforcement officials to put together what they described as a quote unquote 220 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:40.720 special abortion Squad, which would bring down a number of illegal abortion rings over 221 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:44.320 the next few years. In fact, in May nineteen sixty six, hawd 222 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.200 You, a twenty year old nurse named Donna Dowon and a third defendant, 223 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.120 forty two year old Jay Anderson Martin, would be arrested for their roles in 224 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.919 a completely unrelated abortion case. Absolutely wild. You know it would help with 225 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:03.120 the special abortion Squad and cutting down the number of illegal abortion rings. Me, 226 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:10.079 yes, okay, yeah, yeah, that's my special abortion squad advice. 227 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:11.960 Um here, I mean, this is so sad, And think about 228 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:15.119 it, guys, like, Okay, people always make the argument with abortion 229 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.559 and I don't want to. I don't really want to get there because I 230 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.559 know half the people don't agree. But um, you know, it's always 231 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.000 that thought of like, oh, this person recklessly got pregnant and they don't 232 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.960 want their pregnancy, which can happen, and that person has the right to 233 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:32.000 make that decision whatever. But so many things are classified as an abortion right, 234 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:37.119 Like all of my miscarriages are noted in my medical record as as as 235 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.319 abortions right and these this idea that if a baby's not alive inside, I 236 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.799 still have to get rid of it and I have to get help medically, 237 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.519 or I could get sick. And it says in there that they performed an 238 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.079 abortion. They did not. My baby was dead, do you know what 239 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:56.160 I mean. So it's so sad because all those things get swept into that 240 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.359 right and and people are clamoring to say, I'll go to someone who doesn't 241 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.160 have a license. I'll go to somebody who makes these promises and I'm in 242 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:08.119 their house or in their kitchen or something, and my god, it's it's 243 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.519 so dangerous. I mean, you think that herschel Gordon, like he was 244 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:17.799 a respected medical doctor and probably would have been capable of performing an abortion himself, 245 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:21.559 but he was probably not going to take that risk and like potentially screw 246 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.319 up his entire life. So the best thing he could say was, well, 247 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:26.920 I'm going to send you to this unlicensed Hungarian immigrant who doesn't have a 248 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.359 medical license, because if something goes wrong, he can take the fall. 249 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.319 But it just kind of shows like what you would have to do back then 250 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.960 if you were desperate. I love how had you was looked as being a 251 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:42.519 difficult to pronounce name. Yeah, it's like the easiest name to pronounce ever. 252 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.640 I mean, we're podcasters, we know all about difficult to pronounce names. 253 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:49.279 You are talking about Florida people. I'm from Florida, so I can 254 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.599 say that you're talking about as Florida kids. And then you cross over into 255 00:18:52.640 --> 00:19:00.599 Georgia. So we do have trouble sometimes. Well. In September nineteen seven, 256 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.240 Lucy and Gordon finally agreed to come clean and share everything he knew about 257 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:10.440 her disappearance. Lucian admitted that he went with Judy to had You's apartment four 258 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:14.400 days before she vanished, and they made an arrangement for had You to perform 259 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:18.559 an abortion on her at his clinic for three hundred dollars. Lucian was not 260 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.839 present when Judy went to the appointment, as had You assured her that she 261 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:27.160 would not require assistance to drive home following the procedure. After Lucian shared this 262 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:33.160 story, had You was officially charged by the state's attorney's office for conspiring to 263 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.640 perform an abortion on Judith Hyams. Had You was released on bond, but 264 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.640 subsequently disappeared, and it was suspected that he fled the country. Without had 265 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.799 you, there wasn't really much else that could be done to find Judy, 266 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:52.000 so the investigation hit a complete standstill. There was some speculation that Judy might 267 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:57.079 have disappeared voluntarily because of the social stigma surrounding her alleged abortion, but her 268 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:02.240 friends and family did not find this plu possible since she had received a twenty 269 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.839 five thousand dollars settlement from her divorce and the money remained untouched in her bank 270 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.640 account. After being missing for seven years, Judy was declared legally dead in 271 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.039 nineteen seventy two and the twenty five thousand dollars was turned over to her family. 272 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.559 The case pretty much faded into obscurity, but would return to the spotlight 273 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:25.279 again after a very unlikely series of events. Okay, of all this, 274 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.039 do you want to know what makes me furious is the fact that, Yeah, 275 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:33.319 the fact of this man who she is having a relationship with. Right, 276 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.079 he's much older, he's much wiser, I'm sure than Judy is. 277 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.599 He says, you know, I'm going to help you arrange with this doctor 278 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:44.079 quote end quote. He knows that this guy is not licensed in the United 279 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:48.319 States. I'm going to help you get an abortion with this doctor, and 280 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.640 then because you can drive home after, I'm going to not show up and 281 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.240 support you, right, I'm the reason I guarantee you. He had to 282 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.279 say in this where he's like, listen, we can't have a baby. 283 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.440 We are not married. I'm not marrying you, right, something to the 284 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.759 extent of like we just can't. You're too young. I'm yeah, I'm 285 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:10.960 doing something different. So I'm sure he's supporting it. He is the one 286 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.319 arranging it with her, right, And then he says, oh, she 287 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:15.839 can drive home herself, Well, then I don't need to be there. 288 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.319 And the fact that it's the doctor who's doing it had you It's like most 289 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.839 respectful doctors but say no, you cannot let a woman drive home alone. 290 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.440 You have to show up and give her a ride. So the fact that 291 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.720 he thought this was okay is a major red flag. It shows he has 292 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.880 no care for her. It's just it's literally like, you'll do this because 293 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:36.440 that's what we need to do, and given the time frame and these kinds 294 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.480 of things, and that's basically what you're going to do. I'll arrange it 295 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.880 and best to luck getting home, honey. Supposedly you can drive by yourself, 296 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:47.640 so that is disgusting. It is interesting that he does start to come 297 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:53.000 forward and give information because again he's admitting that he had something to do with 298 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.759 the arrangement of an abortion, so I'm surprised. He also was not charged 299 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:02.240 with conspiracy to arrange an illegal abortion, so that was a risk. And 300 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.000 if that is a true story, it is good that he came bored. 301 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.160 But I'd love to know her family sitting there saying, Okay, she had 302 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:14.599 twenty five thousand dollars. Don't you think if her family was saying like, 303 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:17.079 oh yeah, you know, like we were really hard on her. The 304 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.319 social stigma at the time was really bad, and we played into that, 305 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.240 like we just you know, we felt the same way we were prominent. 306 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.200 She was too young, she wasn't married. Wouldn't that information have been shared 307 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.400 so that people could have a better story, Like if I was a mom 308 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:34.359 and my daughter went missing and I said, okay, I may have had 309 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:37.119 an influence in that, like please let me share this information with you guys 310 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:41.079 so I can find her. I feel like someone would have come forwards that 311 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.640 got her parents were awful to her, Her family was awful, the city 312 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.440 was awful to her. I don't think we had that, did we? 313 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.400 No, Like, I've never heard anything bad about her family. I think 314 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.519 they would have taken her back even if they found out she had gotten an 315 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:57.720 abortion. And she was legally declared dead in nineteen seventy two, which was 316 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:00.960 the year after row over weight, so that would have ended a lot of 317 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:03.960 the social stigma. So if she was still alive, I think she would 318 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.519 have eventually resurfaced. And you know it's gross is that she took out three 319 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:14.799 hundred dollars to pay this doctor. The doctor boyfriend didn't pay it for her, 320 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.720 like he didn't arrange it. She remember earlier in the story, you 321 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:19.559 told me she had taken out three hundred dollars around the time of that watch. 322 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.640 What guarantee you that was to pay this doctor? Oh? Definitely. 323 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.039 Which is confusing though because the watch a watch does get delivered, but it's 324 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.680 a little too coincidental. But that same amount of money is taken up from 325 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.680 the bank and it's like, dude, you're going to go help and help 326 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.759 her arrange it, but you're not even a gentleman enough in it's nineteen sixty 327 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.319 what is it nineteen sixty five? Yeah, that you're not going to go 328 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.039 and be like, hey, I'm not going to be physically present, but 329 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.160 at least the least I could do, that very bottom of the barrel least 330 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:53.039 is to financially take care of the procedure. But he couldn't even do that. 331 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.960 She not only has to go by herself, but he's not going to 332 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.200 pay for it. She has to pay for it for it from her own 333 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.480 and she's clearly not making as much as he is. He's established he's a 334 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.079 dentist. And I question if had you ever said to him, you don't 335 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.519 need to be president. She can drive back after or if he just basically 336 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.799 added that little bit because it made him look better, because I guarantee she 337 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.359 would have wanted him to be there, and he probably just wanted to distance 338 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.920 himself as much as he could from the procedure and from her at that moment. 339 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.839 He probably shamed her more than anybody else did. Honestly, back in 340 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.359 that time. That's his young girlfriend who I'm sure he was like, Oh, 341 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.519 she's this cute girl who works at the hospital. You know, I 342 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:37.880 don't I don't see that being necessarily who was going to be her next husband 343 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.359 or anything like that. So I guess why she took the three hundred dollars 344 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.559 out, though, guys, is because he probably knew she could drive herself 345 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.440 to the bank and back, and so he probably didn't need to help her 346 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.720 financially. It's just gross, though, because it really is dependent. I 347 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.640 think there's three levels. I don't know how they would have done abortions back 348 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:02.200 then, but I am aware that they will either put like not put you 349 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:06.839 under like you are absolutely aware and cognizant of everything that is happening physically, 350 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.759 emotionally, mentally. And then there's a second level where they'll give you some 351 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:15.519 kind of benzodiazepine, or the third where somebody can be put completely under. 352 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:21.039 And so the two latter options you are not okay to be driving yourself back 353 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:26.599 whatsoever. And I think after the physical and emotional trauma, no matter which 354 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.119 option you choose, you would always want to have somebody there for you to 355 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:36.599 support you physically and emotionally, because the idea of driving yourself anywhere after something 356 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.680 so traumatic is just I can't even fathom that a doctor would be like, 357 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.799 nah, she's cool, just leave her here, will do it, unless 358 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.400 he thought, Okay, well, if there is a problem, then it's 359 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.799 going to be a little bit easier for us to deal with whatever could happen. 360 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.920 He wanted to distance himself, that's all he was doing. Yeah, 361 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.559 she's a trap, like like an object to him. That's a problem at 362 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.279 this point. Go take care of that. That's what needs to be done. 363 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:04.799 I've already arranged it. And I hope you know, always being a 364 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.640 complete smartass about her being able to drive herself to and from the bank. 365 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.920 Yeah. So. In March of nineteen ninety, Captain Chuck Shearer of the 366 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:21.720 Coral Gables Police Department received a phone call from a man identifying himself as Steve 367 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:26.680 Brown, a radio talk show host in Omaha, Nebraska. Brown told Sheer 368 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.160 that he had recently received information about the unsolved disappearance of Judith Hyames from an 369 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:34.319 anonymous caller who phoned his show and told him that Judy was currently living in 370 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:38.160 Omaha. Of course, even though Shear worked for the Coral Gables PD, 371 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.440 Judy's disappearance took place many years before he joined the force, so he had 372 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.799 never heard of the case before. He told Brown that he would do some 373 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.559 research and get back to him. So Brown provided Sheer with two phone numbers 374 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.400 where he could reach him anyway. After looking into the case, Shear called 375 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:59.119 Brown back. But this is where things got really strange, because Brown literally 376 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.559 had no idea what was going on. Brown told Shear that he never phoned 377 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.000 him, never received any information from an anonymous caller, and knew nothing about 378 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.480 the Judith Times case. Furthermore, while the number where Sheer phone Brown was 379 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:17.039 his radio station, the second number the caller had provided was Brown's home number, 380 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:21.799 which was unlisted. Brown claimed that only fifty people even knew that number 381 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.759 and he could not imagine any of them being brazen enough to impersonate him while 382 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.440 phoning the police. And why would they pick him? Like? Why him? 383 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.279 Yeah, that is the biggest like WTF thing about this case is that 384 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.079 they chose a radio host from a different city, in a different state that 385 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.720 had no connection to Judith Hiames and decided to impersonate him to give a false 386 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.559 tip and a missing person's case. Like this is the thing that just boggles 387 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:51.440 my mind about this whole story. Well, two days later, things got 388 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.680 even weirder when Shearer received another call, this time from a woman who said, 389 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.880 quote, Judy Himes is alive and she lives in Oa. Shearer asked 390 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:07.079 the caller to identify herself, but she just kept repeating the same sentence before 391 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.680 she hung up. Now what significant here is that only two days before these 392 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.880 phone calls took place, Shearer had returned to Coral Gables from a trip to 393 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:19.880 Grand Island, Grand Island, Nebraska, where he delivered a narcotics lecture at 394 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:26.400 a police academy. Grand Island is located approximately one hundred and fifty miles west 395 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.279 of Omaha. But since he had not heard of the Judith Hiam's case at 396 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.720 that point, Sharer never mentioned it to anyone while he was in Nebraska, 397 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.799 and even though he'd given his business card to a few law enforcement figures during 398 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.240 his trip, Shira could not figure out why people from Omaha were suddenly phoning 399 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:47.279 him about an obscure, twenty four year old cold case. Well, Judy's 400 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.599 family was informed about this, they confirmed that they did not know anyone in 401 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:56.640 Nebraska. I still don't think that Judy's just kind of up and disappear like 402 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.279 it seems as if she has a good relationship with her family. I had 403 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.720 twenty five thousand dollars as a settlement from the divorce. This is nineteen sixty 404 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:08.160 five. She's twenty two. She has a successful career where she's working at 405 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.920 a hospital. She's at least putting herself back out there. It didn't end 406 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.319 very well, right, but she's putting herself back out there to say, 407 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.599 I'm twenty two, right, I'm successful, I can have another relationship. 408 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:25.240 And so even though it's nineteen sixty five and she has this pregnancy that she 409 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.160 doesn't want or she can't keep right, whatever the circumstances, she's twenty two. 410 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.519 I mean, the girl has her whole life ahead of her. I 411 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.759 don't see her picking up and leaving just a complete silence and never ever resuming 412 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.039 any part of her old life. Her old life was good. She had 413 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:47.599 this trauma, she had this really big problem, right, but her life 414 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.319 wasn't over at that point. So I don't think this was a voluntary like 415 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.400 I'm getting up and I'm going to another place. I don't think anyone made 416 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.039 her go to another place. So I don't know. I just I need 417 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.240 more information about this because it makes no sense to me. Well, the 418 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.039 odd phone calls compelled Sheer to reopen the case, and a story about it 419 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:10.039 ran in a local newspaper. It wasn't long before Sheer received another anonymous phone 420 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.200 call, this time from a man who claimed to be an informant for the 421 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:17.440 FBI, though he would not provide his name. He claimed that George Hadju 422 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.519 had returned to his native Hungary and was now living in Budapest. The caller 423 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.400 said he had recently spent several weeks with Hadju and even provided a phone number 424 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.359 for him. Well, unlike the previous two calls, some of the information 425 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.400 here actually checked out. Sheer contacted Interpol and they confirmed that the phone number 426 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.319 the caller provided did match up to someone named George Hadju, though they were 427 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.960 unable to locate him. So that's crazy. Now, what would that have 428 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.160 helped? Was he wanted? Like? Was he Were they going to extradite 429 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.319 him for being a conspirator to a legal abortion? Probably not, because he 430 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.039 had jumped bail twenty four years ago, and I think that whatever charges he 431 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:57.039 had, the statute of limitations probably would have expired. So he was a 432 00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:02.599 known danger of being extradited and facing charges in the United States unless they could 433 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.960 prove he committed murder. But I'm sure they still wanted to question him at 434 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.359 this point because Judith Himes had never been found and maybe he could provide some 435 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:14.039 more insight on these very odd phone calls. Don't you both love how like 436 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.160 somebody gets rewarded for being able to get away with something when they cleverly evade 437 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.599 law enforcement and the statute of limitations runs out and it's like you're now being 438 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:29.559 rewarded for being able to evade law enforcement. It's super frustrating, absolutely crazy. 439 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.720 Oh yeah, especially for sexual assault and rate how they're statute of limitations. 440 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.359 If you just avoid it for long enough, you can get away with 441 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.480 it. Oh that's the worst. And the reality is that we know people 442 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.759 don't disclose for years and years and it doesn't matter. They just continue to 443 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.599 keep the statuted limitations the same, even with research saying you have to give 444 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.400 people time to get away from who's abusing them and to come to a place 445 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.279 where they can talk about the trauma, and doesn't seem to matter. And 446 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.839 I've also heard of places where they have statute of limitations on attempted murder, 447 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.799 which seems ridiculous because the only reason it wasn't murder is because they didn't finish 448 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.440 the job. So they're being rewarded for being incompetent in not actually killing their 449 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.160 victim or for having, you know, some kind of medical intervention earlier than 450 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.599 the perpetrator would have liked. And they shouldn't be rewarded for that. Attempted 451 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:20.359 murder is like the same thing as murderer. Yeah, the person didn't die, 452 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.759 but it's the same action taken. They shouldn't be rewarded for that, 453 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:28.359 and there shouldn't be a statute of limitations. It's crazy. Whatever the motives 454 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.640 for these phone calls were, they helped rejuvenate Judy's case and led to her 455 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:37.319 story being featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, which aired on January second, 456 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.519 nineteen ninety one. Four days after the broadcast, the Coral Gables PD 457 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.319 received an anonymous, typewritten letter which read, Judith Himes is not alive. 458 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.799 She came in for an abortion and was given an injection of anesthetic to which 459 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.920 she had an immediate allergic reaction. Everything that could be done was done, 460 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:59.880 However, the reaction was fatal. The body was disposed of in Biscay Bay. 461 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.559 For those that aren't aware, Biscayne Bay is the four hundred and twenty 462 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:08.119 eight square mile body of water located on the Atlantic coast of Miami Unsolved Mysteries 463 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.119 subsequently ran an update in which law enforcement urged the writer of the letter to 464 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:17.079 come forward and assured them that because the statute of limitations had expired, there 465 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:22.519 would be no criminal prosecution for any role they might have had in Judy's disappearance, 466 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.799 and that they would guarantee total confidentiality. The writer never did come forward, 467 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.440 but the police found the letter to be credible and pretty much close their 468 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:37.000 investigation. However, the case technically remains unsolved, as both the letter writer 469 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.680 and the people behind the anonymous phone calls have never been identified. George had 470 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.640 You was never found, and after nearly sixty years, Judith Hyams continues to 471 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:52.119 remain a missing person. So I guess you could say the path went chilly, 472 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.720 or did it. I mean, this lead is the one that to 473 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.640 me makes the most sense that she did go to this person who wasn't a 474 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.559 people doctor in the United States. Maybe he was truly a registered doctor in 475 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.759 his home country, which I hope he was. But there's a lot of 476 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.920 people who took advantage at the time of saying, oh, I'm a doctor, 477 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.599 right, I can do these things, and they didn't know what they 478 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.800 were doing. Or they weren't using techniques that they knew were safe. They 479 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:22.400 were using drugs that they obtained illegally and didn't really know what they were. 480 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.039 And so I could see very easily Judy going into this man's clinic, him 481 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.760 having no real understanding of what he was going to do or no way to 482 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:37.239 prepare for something going wrong, and Judy dying. And then everyone who's involved 483 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.119 has to help cover it up because again, like we saw in that one 484 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.400 case, later a twenty year old nurse and a doctor and everybody else's charged 485 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.079 with this huge crime at the time. I mean, you're going to be 486 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:52.119 in prison for that, And so I think they had to make her go 487 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.920 away, and it makes sense that you would dump her in this massive body 488 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:59.719 of water that's going to help you get away with it. Yeah, that 489 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.519 only makes sense. And I can definitely believe that the letter is credible. 490 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.400 But I guess the weird part is that, naturally, because it was featured 491 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.719 in onn SAW Mysteries, it was on national television, that someone who was 492 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:14.599 personally involved or knew the truth would maybe develop a conscience and send it an 493 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.880 anonymous letter. But of course, the big mystery in this case is why 494 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.079 they started bringing up the case again after all these weird anonymous phone calls to 495 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.280 Captain Shear because this was a obscure case that had been forgotten, and then 496 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.840 all of a sudden he's getting weird phone calls from Nebraska about it. Geez, 497 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.280 I wonder how many bodies have been dumped in this Game Bay in all 498 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:38.000 those years. Probably so many because of the crazy drug trade that was in 499 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:44.440 Miami. M definitely. And serial killers a lot of serial killers from Florida 500 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.199 as well, So it's reasonable to assume that if your body winds up there, 501 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.760 it'll probably never be found. Remember we used to always see Dexter, 502 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.000 and when Dexter was on he would go out in his boat into the water 503 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.840 out there off the coast. M definitely. And serial killers, a lot 504 00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.920 of serial killers from Florida as well, So it's reasonable to assume that if 505 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.400 your body winds up there, it'll probably never be found. So the unsolved 506 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.119 mystery segment about this story is pretty much a case study and their ability to 507 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:16.800 make anything seems spooky people often rank the reenactment of the Judy Himes is alive 508 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.320 and she lives in Omaha. Phone call as one of the creepier moments on 509 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.039 the show, as it takes place inside a very dark room and they show 510 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:28.840 an overhead shot of an anonymous female caller, as well as a shot of 511 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.320 her mouth speaking into the receiver while ominous music plays in the background. The 512 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.760 creepiness is all the more remarkable when you consider that the whole situation may have 513 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.519 been nothing more than a simple prank call. Now, this is one of 514 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.480 those mysteries to which you could easily apply the phrase it's not the destination, 515 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:49.800 it's the journey. Even though the case is technically unsolved, I do believe 516 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.000 the solution to the mystery is a straightforward one. I think the anonymous letter 517 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:58.440 the Coral gave US Police Department received is probably legitimate, and that Judy likely 518 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.039 died due to complications rising from an illegal abortion and her body wound up in 519 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.199 Biscayne Bay. Once the evidence serviced following Judy's disappearance that she was pregnant and 520 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.239 planning an abortion, everyone figured this may have caused her death, but the 521 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.079 investigation just came to a dead halt once George hadju jumped bail and disappeared in 522 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.760 nineteen sixty seven. If the story had just ended. At that point, 523 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.639 this wouldn't be much of a mystery. But then the phone calls happened. 524 00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:29.639 I know that most unsold missing persons cases get their fair share of prank calls 525 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.679 and false tips, but the fact that these took place twenty four years later, 526 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.960 after everyone had completely forgotten about this case is a true headscratcher. I 527 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.840 mean, let's just assume the calls were some sort of practical joke. If 528 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.159 you wanted to do something like that today, you could easily just go to 529 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:50.840 the Charlie Project website, bring up the profile page for some obscure missing person's 530 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.239 case, look up the contact info for the investigating law enforcement agency, and 531 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.079 then phone them up control them. But this was the pre Internet world of 532 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.119 nineteen nine, so it would take a lot of work for someone from Omaha, 533 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:07.719 Nebraska to dig up information about a twenty four year old missing person's case 534 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.000 from Coral Gables, Florida, which had not had any new developments in two 535 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.559 decades. If you go to newspapers dot com, you can find a number 536 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:21.199 of old articles about Judy's disappearance from the nineteen sixties, which were covered in 537 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.239 Florida based publications. But I don't see any indication that the story made national 538 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.800 news. And another strange detail is that there were separate phone calls from a 539 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.639 man and a woman, So if this was an elaborate hoax, at least 540 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.000 two people had to be involved. It. It seems like one of those 541 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.880 things that were Again it's like, why, what is a point here? 542 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.920 Unless it's someone like we've seen in other cases, that wants attention or someone 543 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:46.840 who wants to be part of the case, it would take a lot of 544 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.559 effort at the time to follow up and try to make these claims and reach 545 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.280 out to law enforcement. It doesn't seem like there's a point, Like what 546 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.760 was their goal with this? Yeah, I mean, I can understand wanting 547 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.400 to bring attention to an unsolvacing person's case, but this is just a very 548 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.559 obscure one that it had not received any coverage in several decades. And I 549 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.559 made image if newspapers dot com, But back then you would have to go 550 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.679 to the library and look at micro fechhe like very old school to find old 551 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.480 newspaper articles about older cases, and I have to wonder if someone went to 552 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.440 the trouble of doing that. So I think this would be a good point 553 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.199 to bring an end to part one, but join us next week as we 554 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:30.079 present part two of our series about the disappearance of Judith Hyams. 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