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Sitton Fell was one of a few
city council and then in office who had

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done wrong for deeds. He was
perhaps the last of the current crops could

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be sentenced for sixteen months and sentencing
in position with delayed till December the first

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Jonan you and I now shuing Coolidge
of the Inquiry and sharing you but on

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this case and beginning to the end, and one of the most interesting things

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to me is at the end.
You wrote a column today for the Inquiry

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talking about the number of very influential
citizens who stepped up to put their name

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on the line, including people like
Deborah Dixon, people in the media,

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retired judges. What were the three
or four of the influential people that stepped

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up to put their name on the
line you found rather interesting. I think,

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honestly, taken as a whole,
that the letters are very interesting.

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But some of the names on the
list former Mayor Mark Mallory, sitting Cincinnati

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City Councilman Reggie Harris. So there's
and then there's like very prominent donors to

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the Democratic Party on here too,
like Tony Alexander, Jenny Rosenthal. The

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kind of people that you see on
my cost committees for campaign fundraisers are on

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this list. And the other thing
I find illustrative is that it appears normally,

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I've known a bunch of judges for
a long time, and they normally

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go to the bench already knowing what
they're going to do. And this sentencing

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there were three hundred and thirty four
pages of almost two hundred letters, along

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with all the pre sentencing reports and
all that kind of stuff, and you

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kind of imply possibly, of course, we don't know. We can't jump

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into Judge Cole's head as to whether
it had some impact, but at least

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at first blush, he received less
time than to Maya Dinard, And this

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PG Sentenfeld went to trial, put
the back of the US Attorney's office up

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to the wall. They spent thousands
of hours, hundreds of thousands of dollars

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to prosecute, and he received less
of a sentence than to Maya Denard.

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Do you think the atmosphere of the
support for pag Sentenfeld played a part in

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getting a lesser sentence. Well,
I mean, he honestly himself did say

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that these letters were so compelling.
He mentioned them, he had read them.

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He said he really had never seen
anything like it. And he in

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particular talked about pg's own three page
letter in which she talks about how he's

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grown and changed, calling it one
of the most compelling letters that he's ever

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seen. And really he took it
to heart, and I think it was

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a huge played a huge role when
it came to actually handing down a sense

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that was not only more than my
dinird, but more importantly a downward departure

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from the sentencing guidelines. In fact, the Feds wont it like three or

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four years his lawyer. I think
the lawyers for him did a great job,

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but only can do so much.
Offered up probation and home incarceration.

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So the sixteen months for a week's
long federal trial, hundreds of thousands or

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millions of dollars of money spent,
I think they must have done a pretty

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good job during the trial, etc. And in this case, you've covered

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city Hall for on a fifteen twenty
thirty years. This is the defining moment

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when four members of council if you
would throw in the gang of five the

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other one you had three on federal
charges. It is amazing that we have

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a city council where PG sit and
failed to mynired Jeff Pastor and also Wendell

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Young. I think he pled out
to a misdemeanor, a minor misdemeanor on

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the gang of fime stuff. That
you had four members of council under criminal

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investigation and charges, it's almost like
the city of Cleveland, and well,

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what did you find them? Over
the years and years this thing unfurled.

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Sharon Kelly, I'm sorry, Sharon
Cooley. Do you think that that crimes?

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And I said this some of my
buddies, I'm not sure if PG

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sit and felt while the offense was
going on, was said, you know,

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you're committing felonies, his answer would
have been no, I'm campaign financing.

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Did PG sit and felt even at
the end, no, he committed

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serious felonies? Well he says no, And so I really can't like put

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my own opinion on it, but
I can talk a little bit about things

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that we did hear at the trial. Things we saw, I mean going

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to apartments to collect checks, talking
to you know, an undercover FBI agent

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to be sure, who pretended to
be a developer and then in their buddies

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who you know, pretended to be
part of the mob, right, yeah,

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like that's like a passing. Like
PG was very curious about who these

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people were, rightly so, by
the way, and then you know,

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oh, I'm connected to the mob. We don't really talk about it.

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And Pg's like, okay, we
heard it. And you know, this

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was something the federal prosecutor said at
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the jurors. Of course, this
was very complicated and two of the

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six charges they did convict on,
but graam work get to sentencing, and

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the prosecutor was like, all I
have to do is press play on the

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audio on the video. I mean, that's a hallmark of all of these

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cases, all three of them.
Everything is caught on video. Will probably

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never see Jet Pastors because he has
agreed to plead guilty and he hasn't been

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sentenced yet, although you know it's
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We know when it finally does happen. But that was what they said.

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They're like, watch the videos,
listen to the audio U And it was

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there for everyone to see, and
the judge did say, as much as

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everything was compelling, he did say
it warranted a prison sent It is still

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prison no matter what length that is. Uh, your heart did break.

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His wife is in there, you
know. I know he has two little

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kids. I'm a mother, and
you just say you did see that,

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right. But he said, what
is this is the judge, what is

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the deterrent? He's like, because
clearly nothing is working. He's so he

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did say, as as compelled as
he was by all of these letters,

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a packed courtroom, there's like one
hundred people in the courtroom, plus an

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overflow room. I've never seen anything
like it in federal court. So he

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was like, this Warren's prison,
it's like O's. Otherwise, there is

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no deterrent. It keeps happening.
They were, you know, they're citing

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examples from other places. You just
talked about Cleveland. I was just reading

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the Jimmy Tomorrow case to see how
many letters were written in that case.

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But they're talking about what happened in
Toledo. They're talking about all these other

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cases, and yes, it happening. Sharon Coolidge of the Inquire it's that

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part about I'm connected to the mob
and PG sent and felt not caring.

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And then the other thing you bring
up is I was aware a year or

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two ago about tql connections in which
PG sid and felt seemingly shook down the

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ballet and Tql to get the deal
approved. Explain that that was like a

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huge bombshell at the sentencing that it
came out as an aside leading up into

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the sentence thing. It was unclear
during trial there was a list of possible

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witnesses and there was a list of
about with maybe nine developers. I forget

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exactly how many, kind of listed
by initials, and then you kind of

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put it together of like what was
the do was the initials? They never

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testify a trial, but then we
go into sentencing and we're kind of like,

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are we going to hear their victim
impact statements? Right in this case,

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developers would be so we're going to
hear from them, and we're going

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to hear from some of these people
who wrote letters. Right on both sides

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they and it was clear that there
was definite discussions of it because the judge

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was like, what'd you guys decide? He asked, both sides, do

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you both want to have your you
know, your people come up and talk

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and they said, no, we
agreed not to. So then we're in

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the sentencing portion and Charlie Brokers,
who's representing PG, talks about how PG

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was really for the little guy.
He talks about this whole very old case

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in which, you know, he
talks about how pg's itself helped this peanut

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vendor. There's a big thing way
back when about the lottery of where vendors

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could be and big mass back then. So he's like saying all these amazing

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things about PG helping the little guy, and the federal prosecutor on the case,

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Matt Singer, you could tell he
was just annoyed. He kind of

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snapped back and he was like,
uh no, no, and he's like

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he's done this before, and out
of a clear blue he talks about this

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CEO a stadium project at a private
entity, and I mean, I knew

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right away that it was the vallet. I remember the big fight about should

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the valet stay should they go,
And it was a fight over zoning.

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And the federal prosecutor drags out all
these details that we didn't hear a trial

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and everything, and then he says
that PG demanded eleven million dollars from the

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said CEO, which of course we
all know is you know, related FC

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Cincinnati and TQL Stadium and Jeffers Bromshell. Yeah. In fact, Jeff Berning

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believes he was shaken down a little
bit by PG for eleven million dollars and

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that was a non starter. They
weren't on a pay but they got PAG

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got the vote anyway. But you're
a column reference. We have not heard

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from Jeff on the eleven million.
What was publicly said that day was a

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one. There was a big fight
over one million dollar dollars and the shakedown

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comments. There's like stories back and
forth between the ballet and FT Cincinnati,

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And we did hear the figure one
million dollars. We had never heard the

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figure eleven million dollars before, but
that was something that was said privately.

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Now Jeff did not talk this week
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tell to anyone. But that was
really a big shock. Now, the

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US Attorney's office, it was kind
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kind of left like open ended.
Was it paid or whatever. The US

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Attorney's Office did come out and say
no payment was ever made, but they

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certainly were aware of you know they
are alleging that this threat was made in

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PG, of course is denying that. Of course it's a big shock.

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We'll see if the matter is concluded, but it'll be up to the sixth

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circle whether the delay execution of sentence. The judge gave him until December first

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to get his affairs in order.
We'll see what happens. But maybe you

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should write a book on this.
Right here, what's next? Here you

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go? Three three tracks. Okay, they have to decide the twenty thousand

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dollars forfeiture just PG. Is he
personally liable for that on top of his

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forty thousand dollars fine or can it
come out of the pack which they're just

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trying to get back the money that
the undercovers gave during the case. So

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track one, Track two appeals that
has to be filed fourteen days real appeal.

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This is going to take months.
I feel this is never going to

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be over built. And third track
the chance to ask the chance. These

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charges called for PG to be remanded
immediately, and the judge did say is

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allowing PG. He got to go
home the night of sentencing, allowing him

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to remain out on bond while he
in a very speedy process, asks the

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Sixth Circuit Court of Appeal if he
can remain out during the appeals process,

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because I mean, honestly, the
appeals process won't be done. All already

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observed it sentence, would they say, but three tracks were following at this

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point long time, And in fact
it might be a very long time because

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the appeals could take two to four
years, and by the time the appeals

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were successful or unsuccessful, if he's
remanded to custody, he would have served

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a sentence before the appeals are heard. And if they're reversed, then he

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served the sixteen months for nothing,
which is always well, now, nobody

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wants to go to prison. But
a big takeaway from these letters today is

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that these people believe that PG has
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Say that again, Say that again, say that again that pgs stop

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it and a big takeaway. So, yes, he might have served the

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prison time at that point, but
it's these charges. If there is an

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acquittal, then he does not have
a felony charge and he can run for

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office again. It is something that
is huge. Not just prison time at

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stake, but can PG run for
office again is also at stake, so

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PG may come back, assuming it
doesn't have a felon In Ohio, you

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can't run with a felony conviction.
So if it's affirmed on appeal two to

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four years from now, he can't
run. But if he's found in a

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sense to reverse the conviction, and
there's all kinds of grounds for appeal,

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who knows. Normally these cases do
get reversed on appeal. Just talk to

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the Governor of Virginia McDonald, and
they get reversed all the time on appeal.

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And if it is reversed on appeal, that means he can run again

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for city council. And I would
think he'd be re elected. I mean,

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there's one hundred and eighty five letters
from the best in the brightest,

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and well, we'll see what happens. But no point did you say I'm

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guilty. I will take full responsibility. And he couldn't. I mean,

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you can't on the appeal, you
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Back to him, he kind of
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sentence thinking he was crying. The
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was crying. You heard like one
of the people in the overflow room.

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Is like, you couldn't really see
everything. You could hear the sobs over

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PG talking, but forget where it
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You could not accept responsibility because of
what his appeals are going to be

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based on. So the judge brought
it up to now he's going to say

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on appeal he didn't have the requisite
men's read the criminal intent, and he

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thought he was doing what was proper. He didn't personally benefit at all directly.

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Of course, he benefited personally indirectly. But in Jeff Pastor's case,

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she took bags of cash on a
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to my Dinnard took money to pay
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But PG sittvel didn't. I will
say something that came out as an aside.

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Yes, the money went directly into
their pockets in the pack money that

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TG has basically all still sitting there. He didn't spend it. Something that

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did come out. As long as
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I got there very early. I
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judge might have seen a surprise on
my face. When he said this aloud,

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he said he took into consideration what
happened Inta Maya's case and what was

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likely going to happen in Jeff's case. He's talking about these things and he's

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like, well, you know,
Jeff Pastor sold fifty thousand dollars substantially more

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than fifty thousand dollars, and I'm
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I'm sure I looked shocked because I'd
never heard that before. And the judge

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is like, you know, I
don't think that's really public, so I'm

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not going to really get into those
details. And I was like, earnest

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darness. So that also kind of
came out at the vent and thing,

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well, fifty thousand dollars bags of
cash, he's on a private jet from

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here to Miami, and everything's recorded
video and audio, and they got Jeff

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Pastor tied up in a bow.
And to my denard was just typical simple

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bribery, but in this case it
was indirectly to benefit him politically, and

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he gave the money that he received
democrats all over town. And I'll make

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this prediction, this matter will be
reversed on appeal and PG Sidenfeld will run

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again. Well for that first part, you're not the only person saying that

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to me in the last one.
Don't know the days they're running together here

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the last three days. Yeah,
you know what, for a while people

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were saying, you know, I
don't they didn't really see how this was

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gonna, you know, be overturned. The judge himself, I will say,

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during sentencing and he said in post
trial motions a lot of these appeal

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arguments had already made. He's like, no, no, no, of

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course they were decisions that he presided. Ever, but then he uh said

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that he does not think they're going
to be overturned at the sixth Circuit.

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But that is not what I've kind
of heard in these following days here.

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Yeah, all right, Sharon Cooley
is great coverage. Stories are in the

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inquiry And once again, thank you
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Thank you, Sharon, Thanks for
having me. All right, thank you.

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Well, let's continue the line becomes
available, which it never does.

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Five months, seven nine seven thousand
pg. Sittenfeld one day will be free

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