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Wade Killer Pro Wrestling podcast five years
ago. This week, Zach Hadarn joined

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me on the flagship and we talked
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The followed edition of Raw that covered
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including Roman Rains as Champion, Roman
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the Latest Shield reunion, the Stephanie
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Hius promo for Undertaker, and much
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and on site correspondence. This live
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eighteen, and it is today's wad
Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast five years ago flake

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Ship Flashback for Saturday, August nineteen, twenty twenty three. Here we go,

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so Zach, how did WWW do
with Roman Rains the day after his

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long awaited Universal title win in front
of a hostile crowd in Brooklyn, New

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York? How'd you grade all three
hours and ten minutes of narrative framing what

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this means to WWW and Roman Rains? You know, I thought I thought

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they did a really good job.
I thought they did a good job even

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before the ending. I thought positioning
Rains as a fighting champion was the way

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to go. It ran counter to
everything that brock Lesner was about, and

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everything about that brock Lesner store Rains
wasn't tonight, which I think was a

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was a good place to at least
start. You know, he's not going

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to get universally cheered in that market, or and maybe not in any market,

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but I think from a storyline perspective, presenting them in that way and

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just letting him wrestle a match and
have a good match was was the way

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to go. In addition to that, they they tacked on loads and loads

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of bells and whistles. I mean
giving the giving the title opportunity to Finn

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Balor was was smart. And then
you know the Shield at the end,

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just they really pulled out all the
tricks to make it work. And I

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think I think we can debate the
merits of whether those tricks should or shouldn't

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be necessary in getting a top guy
over. But uh, for looking at

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it what it was and wasn't entertaining
and did the crowd like it? I

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thought it was really good and certainly
made for a newsworthy show. What's your

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takes? We'll talk a lot about
this as a show progresses with our callers

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and emails and outside correspondent. What
about the show closing angle the Shield uniting

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against Braun. It's a kind of
gutsy move to have the very popular Braun

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go up against a three on one
attack with a crowd predisposed to love Dean

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love Seth not love Roman rains and
take away the money in the bank.

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Cashion that the fans were eager drooling. They were, they wanted to see

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it. And you have rains under
circumstances which are contractually fair of braun Stroman

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wait for rains to stand up and
let's fight, and Seth and Dean come

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out and spoil it. That's kind
of what Tully and Arne would do to

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save Rick Claire from a bad situation. I thought the crowd booed it for

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the most part, but also we're
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Dean, they liked the shield,
and so I wasn't quite sure what to

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make of it. I absolutely I'm
sure if Man knew that the fan wouldn't

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know what to make of it,
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was a surprise to him that there
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to be deliberate. So your take
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Yeah, I think I think Vince
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Roman still as the champion, knowing
the reaction that he was going to get

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in doing so, and I really
think he pulled off all the stops,

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uh know, if and or butts
in order to get that done. And

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as far as bringing out the Shield
at the very end, I like you

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said, I think he wanted the
reaction to be confusion, but I also

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think he wanted the reaction of the
audience to be whoa, we're seeing something

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really cool. This was totally unexpected. The shields back together. That's awesome.

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And you know, some of the
crowd is gonna love it instead of

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the cashing, and other people are
gonna want the cashing. But in the

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end, no matter what, you
got a pretty like you know, once

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in a blue moon type ending to
the show, and I think that to

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him overshadows any of the activity that
might come along with it this week and

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in the next. More so than
that too, I think you know,

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it lines up some good conversation for
next week. You know what what is

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to be made of the shield next
week? Are the on Roman side?

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Is it a one time thing?
So I think they can build storylines off

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of the angle tonight too. Yeah. I think a tweet sums up a

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lot of people's feelings. Jim O'Sullivan
on Twitter said, I effing hate Roman

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reigns, but that was fffing cool. Yeah, So Vince, I think

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has to see that and go,
yep, all right, mission accomplished.

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Let's move on to SmackDown. You
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Please state your name of the city
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This is Harry from Las Vegas,
Nevada. How you doing, Hey,

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Ry, good hear from you.
What's what do you think around tonight?

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I like the show? I mean
I like, I like very much anext

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Takeover, I like so I slam, I like Rah. There's some things

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you can tweak, but overall I'll
give them a passing grade. So what's

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your main thing you want to bring
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had two comments questions on the main
handle that closed on close out the show?

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Hey, am I the only one
who doesn't like how Roman holds onto

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the title while walking down to the
ring and b how are they going to

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work having Braun as a baby space
mister money in the bank? Does this

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mean that the shield is shield is
now a heel faction? Because that's how

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I felt it at the end of
the show. I mean them going three

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on one against Broun. Yeah,
I mean, Zach, tell me your

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thoughts on I mean, I think
Vince was just going for a cool moment

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to spark conversation. I don't think
it was a heel turn. It wasn't

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heel turn for Braun. I mean
it was so by the way, I

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coach is hilarious. Like coach,
it's like he just shows up two minutes

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before the show and watches it.
And like Don West when t and a

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booking no sense, and he would
point out things that made no sense on

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the air. I love that,
Eric Don West I think got fired.

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You know, people in charge didn't
like that. He was going, well,

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that makes no sense. Didn't he
do that last week and three weeks

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ago did to say that? And
then and Mike Tenny's head would explode and

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oh, we need someone different on
commentary. In this case, though,

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it's not that coaches is break is
saying things that don't make sense. He's

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saying things that break the narrative that
wwb's trying very hard to push right at

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the desk that he's sitting at.
Like and so he was like saying bron

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Stroman. He said he was gonna
not fight this way, not cash in

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this way. I need to do
it face to face, not attack Hi

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from behind. And coaching graves are
like tackling each other to try to offset

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what coach said before the other ken
Well, what do you saying, coach,

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No, No, he's doing exactly
what he said. He's waiting for

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reins to stand up and face him. But it was a good point from

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coach, even though he's not doing
his job by making it, which is

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the real cool thing for bron to
do as a baby face money the bank

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holder would be to say, Roman, you gave Braun a chance or Findeller

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a chance this week next Monday,
I'm cashing in and I'm giving you seven

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days noticed I want you fresh.
I don't need you beat down after a

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fifteen minute match. So that's kind
of coaches thinking. It does expose a

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little break in in in the logic
of WWB try to frame Braun differently than

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other money in the bank heels cashing
in, But I don't think. But

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again, that wasn't the intent.
I don't think the intent at all was

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for Braun to be heelish. I
think that's just coach not quite getting what

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he's supposed to say and not say
Zach, yeah, your your additional thoughts.

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No, I totally agree. I
totally agree. I think you know

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from the beginning, even last night
at Summer Slim, I think WWE has

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missed the boat a little bit with
the Stroman narrative because what he said and

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what he actually did didn't didn't really
mirror up with each other. That said,

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I don't think it was a heel
turn, but I think a direction

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they could go with the Shield and
Roman Reigns to kind of alleviate you know,

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them being heals towards towards towards bron
Stroman is you know, they could

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just simply be out there saying,
hey, you know what, like you

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know where the shield, this is
our brother. You know Stroman, you

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certainly deserve a cash in. We
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way, in a stand up way, and that would kind of counteract the

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narrative that they set forth, but
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out tonight and why they made the
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rains in the shield baby faces to
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on the slip side with bron Stroman. So I think that could go either

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way. I do need to make
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belt. I references a couple of
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crazy. I think that slow walk
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want to be the guy that like
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way they carry belts because it's a
small thing. But Roman has such a

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problem with kind of shedding that his
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the ring and as he really does
any and the way he walked with that

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belt over his shoulder just screams arrogance
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you picked up the pace a little
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the belt, I think it would
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get behind him a little bit,
because it just rubs me the wrong way.

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As the host of the Artistry of
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details like that the presentation. Bruce
Mitch would be yelling at you right now

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for bringing up something so irrelevant because
Roman Rains is over. But you're right,

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all those little things add up.
They are absolutely worth discussing when you

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try to figure out what is it
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we do that a lot on the
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the number one promotion that we cover
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is deserving of attention. And I
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segment he was charming, he was
gracious, all those things that you opened

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up with Zach and explaining why this
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it's worth being careful if you're ww
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to make sure that there aren't little
things like that that send some of the

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signals that remind people of who they
who you used to be. We we

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put up a poll on I put
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PW Torch. We have a seven
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I said, if you've been against
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years, are you willing to give
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I had no idea what the results
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I really didn't know. So I
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yes, without reservation, give another, I'll give him a fresh look next

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maybe, But reluctantly I thought that
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know, be a pretty solid winner. The next one was almost zero chance,

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and the next in the fourth and
final option was totally absolutely zero chance.

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So I just was like kind of
having fun. I wanted to not

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overdo it, but get a sense
of things. It's did you look at

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the results? Second? No,
I didn't. I didn't see him yet.

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Now, so so what do you
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how do you think that breaks down? What does your gut tell you?

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The ball took place during the show, but most of the votes were

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before the show closing angle, if
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to say that most people probably clocked
in an option number three almost no chance,

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but you never know, and then
number two being you know, sure

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but reluctantly. When you said the
word most you were wrong, because there

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isn't the most it is split almost
equally four ways. Twenty two percent at

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the lowest option was yes, but
reluctantly, I'll give him a fresh look.

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So that's how hardened people are in
their opinions of him. Barely one

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out of five said yes, they'll
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Twenty six percent said maybe but reluctantly, twenty five per cent since they're almost

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zero chance, twenty seven percent totally
absolutely zero chance. So twenty six,

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twenty five and twenty seven two percent
variation on the final three options, you

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have forty eight percent saying yes or
maybe fifty two percent saying almost zero or

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zero. So remarkable, you know, I mean it's just that he to

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use the term, but he's polarizing
and ye and tonight I don't think was

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trying to like everything they did was
including heel commentator Corey Grace spending fifteen like

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it felt like fifteen straight minutes during
the baallor matches going room and what a

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great guy for defending the title room
and he's just so awesome. I mean,

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I couldn't believe he's doing. It's
like when the heel commentator is catching

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in his heel chips to gosh praise. You know, the mission is to

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get reins cheered, but then you
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just they're keeping me off balance with
what they're doing here. Well, and

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yeah, I think those poll results
really they they can tell you something about

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about kind of the state of rains
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tonight was it was a relatively decent
nights for him overall. I don't

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want to, yeah, take him
down for that is because it was in

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a lot of ways. But you
know, to me, maybe you convert

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some of those people who are on
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too reluctantly. Yes, if you
clean up some of that stuff, if

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you don't push over push him on
the commentary team, if you have him

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walked to the ring with a sense
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converting people, but you know, to

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have such a good night and then
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It does his good night a little
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think he can make greater strides if
they just, you know, like you

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say all the time, straighten,
straighten, to tie up a little bit,

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he'd be better off. Yeah,
I think that detail matters. Let's

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go back to Harry for a follow
up pair. Anything else you want to

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add to our conversation. Yeah,
just with the title thing with the belt.

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When he did it with the Intercontinental
title, I was like, oh

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my god, he's like looking down
at the belt. He doesn't think it's

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as big as him, that he
deserves the belt that that broadcast, But

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now that he has that, I'm
looking at it like, damn, he

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even might even think he's over.
He's more over than the company. That's

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the way I looked at it,
and that's why I'm like, I was

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excited big time when I thought bron
was going to cash him, because great,

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we're gonna get this a night one
of the title reign. Get Roman

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out of the way. And then
it's like, oh no, the shield.

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I was so excited to see the
shield. But there was a moment

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where I was like, all right, man, hold on to that title

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and see I'm proud of it.
Not just hang onto it in your back.

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It's like it look bad. Harry, a great job with the show.

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Guys, appreciate it. Taking my
call, Hey, before I hang

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up, what is your vote on
our Roman reigns poll? Yes? Maybe

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almost zero or total zero? Chance
to give him a fresh look. Before

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I saw him grab the belt like
he did, it was three, and

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then after it it was four.
All right, I have no chance again.

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All Right, I appreciate it.
Hey, this matters to people.

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I appreciate it. Harry, body
language, how you present yourself, it

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absolutely counts and you can't ignore that. People look at those things and make

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judgment on it. Invite you to
email the show with feedback or questions or

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comments. That email address is Wade
Keller Podcast at pewtorch dot com. That's

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Wade Keller Podcast at pwtorch dot com. Also welcome your feedback on Twitter.

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You can follow us on Twitter at
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Keller. That's at PW Torch and
at the Wade Keller. All right,

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let's go to three A six x
three six. Please state your name in

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the city you're calling from. Oh, Hi, this is Jmario Dates on

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the Beach. How are you guys
doing tonight? Good? I didn't catch

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your first name. I'm sorry.
My name is Jamario. Oh cool?

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Yep, Jamario from day Tony Beach. What's what? What do you think

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of rock Dates? Yep? I
can honestly say I was pleasantly surprised,

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because, as you guys know,
three hours of watching this show could be

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quite the slug. But tonight I
didn't feel myself until off too much.

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Drop the show. But what I
wanted to ask you guys, it seems

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like maybe he's kind of, like
I guess, playing of my emotions in

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a way, like like like I
give an example, they have Becky like

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last night go and attacked Charlotte.
You know, yet you know, I

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felt like naturally inclined to cheer Becky
for you know, beating up on Charlotte

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because you know, like I was
wanting Becky to win. Then I kind

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of go to go to tonight like
the ending promo, and I'm like,

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you know, like I love stuff
rollins, I love I love the shield,

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but you know they're attacking Broun somebody
else that I love, you know,

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So I'm kind of like confused,
like like like is there like some

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sort of psychology to this or is
it just like weird booking or whatnot.

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I was trying to just trying to
see what you guys thought about that.

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So so your emotions went out a
rollercroaster in the end. If you're in

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the building tonight, what what are
you are you you're cheering, You're cheering

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for Balor to beat roman Or and
then and then when the shield come out,

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or you're cheering the just because of
the excitement of it. But you're

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emotionally torn, Like if you're in
the building, how how how do you

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remote? Like how would you have
reacted in the end? Are you booing

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the shield or cheering the ship?
And see that s that's that's that's the

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part I'm getting that. So it's
like it's like, you know, to

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split because it's like, you know, like like I love the Shield,

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you know, like like I love
I love everything about I love the Ambrose,

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love love Rolins. Not not see
big for a fan of rains.

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Uh. If I was in the
build, I would have been cheering on

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Balor. But like I said,
you know, then Bron comes out.

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I'm like, I'm I'm all excited
for this cash shout and I'm like,

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man like it's about to happen like
once again. So it's like this is

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the second time it's happened at two
Nights. But it's like, you know,

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they go out in the text strow
and I'm just kind of like hmm,

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you know, like I don't know
how to feel about this. Yeah,

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yeah, no, no, because
it's like baby faces fighting baby faces.

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I agree, zach any any Yeah, I just think, you know,

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to answer that, you know,
the first question, I think more

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so yesterday with Becky that was to
me more of a you know, miss

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calculation in terms of the booking tonight. I thought it was just a calculated

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effort to create a wow moment that
you know, would alleviate some booze that

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that Rains would get. I think
that was the soul focus of tonight,

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and to create some confusion, to
create a big moment that people people are

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talking about, uh, you know, the next day. So I thought

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they were similar outcomes but for different, totally different reasons. Tonight, I

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thought they got exactly what they tried
to get. Whether that's right or wrong

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or not, we'll have to see. But I think the backstage right now,

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they're high five each other, going
well done, very true, very

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true, Joemari, Thanks appreciate it. I think you are expressing how a

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lot of people felt in Barclay Center
tonight and last night. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, ahead, yeah, yeah, One more question, try,

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I just I just want to know
where did you guys see Ronda Rolsy going

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next? I mean, I'm pretty
sure it's probably like collect the blist,

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but like after blist, Like,
like, what do you think is Nick?

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Yeah, Zach, what do you
think I mean to tonight's set up

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Stephanie and and Rod a one on
one at Evolution or are they gonna do

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four horsewomen and against four horsemen?
Like like I don't I mean, I

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didn't see any stage if anything tonight
that's at the stage for that. Is

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it okay? If Roanna faces Stephanie, they got to fill time between now

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and then with something else. Is
it a Bliss rematch? I mean,

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I don't. I don't think the
pictures clear. No, I don't think

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it is either, and I think
all of those elements are in play.

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I don't. I don't know if
they'll pull the trigger on the four horsewomen

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match quite yet, just because they
really haven't introduced any other pieces aside from

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from Ronda Rowsey with that. But
yeah, I see him going potentially to

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the to the election Bliss rematch.
That makes sense. And she was in

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the backstage segment with Stephanie as Stephanie
was icing up her arm, so she

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could play the role of Stephanie's henchwoman
or something moving forward. But you know,

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if they want to create kind of
that pr type match, having Ronda

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and Stephanie go one on one at
Evolution is certainly certainly an avenue to explore.

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I think they want to be careful
to not give away a huge match

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like Ronda and Charlotte at that event, but still future Rousey prominently and this

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could be a way to do that. Jamar appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely,

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thanks for calling. I think so. And by the way, I've

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been I've been a vp RE member
for over a year nine. I just

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want to be the best person ever
made. And everybody out there listening go

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to VIPP. Thank you, Jamari. I appreciate it, and I hope

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you have no one's listening who thinks
you've made more important decisions in your life

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that are you bet. I mean, I'm all for the hyperbole to help

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business and all that, and I
appreciate it totally, but I get a

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little a little nervous sometimes when people
say that, Like someone in the other

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room's like, why do you would
you just say I'm married to you?

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Yes, sir, there's like a
dog, you know who just got adopted,

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you know, like the shelter and
the doctors go small. So in

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two thousand twelve, NXT transitioned into
the developmental system and ultimately the brand you

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see today. On the Torch VIP
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taking a weekly look at this page
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and me Tom Stout from PWT Talks
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Back to the day to track NXT's
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members. All right, yeah, and

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00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.519
uh yeah. So anyway, let's
go back to the phone lines and we'll

406
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.039
go next to area code seven one
six seven to one six. Thank you

407
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:47.039
so much for calling. What's your
name and where you're calling from? All

408
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.000
right, this is leave from Buffalo. Hey, Lee, thanks for calling

409
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:56.559
our things in Buffalo. All right, I guess you know it's great.

410
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.400
I don't know why, but I'm
sort of thinking your sports teams. I

411
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.960
just sort of thought, yeah,
most people would say, yeah, all

412
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:11.759
right, so yeah, exactly eight
and eight, yeah exactly. Uh yeah.

413
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.720
I just wanted to call talk about
well, two things. But first

414
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.400
I wanted to talk about Alias.
He's he's one of my favorite characters.

415
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.759
But over the past few weeks,
excluding I think actually last week, it

416
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.000
just seemed like something I really liked
about him, which is, despite him

417
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.839
being a heel, there's like something
in his eyes that, like you can

418
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.039
really tell, or at least I
perceive, that he really loves what he's

419
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.359
doing, and it kind of translates, you know, through the to the

420
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.160
viewer. Yeah, and I think
it was there tonight again, and I

421
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:47.440
liked seeing it. And you know, despite the fact that it like it

422
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.279
doesn't you know, he's to heal
it for whatever reason. That translation works

423
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.119
for me. And I really love
his segments. But I just don't know

424
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.480
what they're doing with him long term, you know, like, but you

425
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.400
know, what's the next step for
a guy like that. First of all,

426
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.400
I think your assessment is correct.
I mean, I know he's a

427
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.720
long time wrestling fan. He was
a walk on, so to speak,

428
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:14.359
not high drafted, not a high
high draft pick, and and and given

429
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:15.839
all kinds of acclaim and perks,
he had to work to get to where

430
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.680
he is. And I think he
really appreciates that vincec Man likes what he

431
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.039
sees in him. As Zach.
I'll throw you first on on where you

432
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:30.440
think they'll go with Elias. What
is his upside because you know in the

433
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.240
ring he's not world class, top
shelf, uh, you know, can't

434
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.720
wait to see him few with Gargano
and Champ and n XT and tear down

435
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.559
the house. He's more along the
lines of the main roster style that miss

436
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.799
or maybe EC three has, where
it's more deliberate but it tells stories in

437
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.240
the way vincecc man really appreciates.
So there's definitely potential there. How high

438
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.720
is that potential based on what you've
seen so far? I think the potential

439
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.440
is pretty high with him. I
think he has he you know, more

440
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.119
more so than a lot of people
on Ron Rod right now, have has

441
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:10.519
a genuine, you know, connection
with that audience. And I think that

442
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:15.279
that genuineness about him can take him
a really long way. For me each

443
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.640
week, I just want to see
him focus that connection in one direction or

444
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.920
the other, like be a heel
or be a baby face. I think

445
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.480
he's really towing that line and going
back and forth, and so people are

446
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.720
left to wonder, Okay, what
is what is this guy doing? What's

447
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.079
what's his story? And you know, he he kind of muddies his own

448
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.680
gimmick with the walk with the liest
thing before flipping around and just trolling the

449
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.319
audience of the cities. And I
want to see him focus that act,

450
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.960
use the connection that he has with
the audience to really drive a story and

451
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.519
to drive his character, drive his
mission statement. And he does that,

452
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:55.400
I think he can get up into
that upper mid card, lower main event

453
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.720
level, just like like them Is
has done. I don't think he needs

454
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.799
to be a guy that can have
five star classics. I think his character,

455
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.359
in his connection with the crowd can
can carry him through that much like

456
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.319
it has them Is. He just
needs to nail down that focus and nail

457
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:14.240
down that direction, and once he
does, I think he'll be even better

458
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:21.079
than he is today. I think
he's outlasting the fun Dongo type of Adam

459
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:22.960
Rose type of act where it's like
the flavor of the week for events.

460
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.960
He gets excited and then it's sort
of in order to move on. I

461
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.400
think there's more there to him,
and I think you actually Lee captured something.

462
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:37.559
There's that intangible that fans pick up
on that they either embrace or rebeligance,

463
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.400
depending on what what sense they get
from the wrestler. You know,

464
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.519
Adam Cole as finding to Steve Asen
about this on the show that drops on

465
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.960
Tuesday this week. Adam Cole looks
like he just loves what he's doing.

466
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.680
He wants to be there. He
projects cockiness and arrogance and all that when

467
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.079
he's a heel, and he projects
by the way, cockiness and arrogance his

468
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.000
baby face, but in a good
way. You know you're about to see

469
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.480
the show like Sean Michael's had when
when he's a baby face, but he

470
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:01.799
wants to be there and he loves
it, and you can tell and people

471
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.559
pick up on that. And if
it looks like you don't want to be

472
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.319
there and you're not having fun,
you know, people pick up on that

473
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.039
too. You know, there's wrestlers
and you look back and go, God,

474
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.680
why why didn't they make it?
And and and there's different reasons for

475
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.680
different people, but sometimes it's because
fans and yes, by the way,

476
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.920
the people who live, eat,
sleep, breathe wrestling, who are in

477
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.000
it, who have influenced Tripleation doesn't
mat among them pick up on that too,

478
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:29.240
And they don't want to give a
big opportunity to somebody who's that's sort

479
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.079
of cool with just showing up and
a lot of seems like he's he's not

480
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.480
in that category that he wants to
be in. He's enthusiastic about what he's

481
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:43.000
doing. Absolutely, Yeah, yep, all right, cool, Ali anything

482
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:49.480
else for us? Yeah, I
mean just flipping to the the well audience

483
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.680
connection and your your Twitter poll today
and the guy who you know was subject

484
00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.319
to that, you know, I
fall in the actually the first degree,

485
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:05.279
which is I've got I've got to
give him a fresh look, because honestly,

486
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.359
if he's on top for the next
five to ten years, I don't

487
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:14.039
think I can keep watching this,
Like I just it's too frustrating. You

488
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.160
know, if he's on top,
it I don't like him, I should

489
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:21.319
say, you know, I like
out of a necessity, I've got it.

490
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:25.079
Is it like in politics where there's
a primary and you're really really for

491
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.359
one of the candidates and they lose, and you put your heart and soul

492
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.480
and thought of all the negative things
about the other candidate in your party,

493
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.079
and then the nomination happens, You're
like, oh God, I have to

494
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:38.759
you know, now I've got to
figure out a way to like Trump or

495
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.559
like Hillary or you know, I
got to figure out a way to like

496
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:45.839
the governor running in this party that
I was just putting all my energy against.

497
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.440
Like, I think there's sort of
a feeling of God, if I'm

498
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.720
gonna if he's gonna be here and
I'm gonna deal with him, I want

499
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.160
to at least get I want to
make sure that I'm giving myself a chance

500
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.400
to like him. And if he
is going to be the guy for a

501
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:01.799
while. Is that kind of capturing
what you're saying? Yeah, I mean,

502
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.880
and it's such a terrible I mean, it's a terrible place to be

503
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.920
as far as you know, you
know, liking liking this this, you

504
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:15.199
know this, you know, show
this this product. But yeah, exactly.

505
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.280
I just I just can't I mean, I just can't imagine, you

506
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.920
know, turning the TV on five
years from now and still having this complete

507
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:30.679
lack of connection to their basically their
main wrestler. I just I can't imagine

508
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:36.480
doing that. Yeah. Yeah,
so did tonight help or hurt? Uh?

509
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.320
You know, helped actually, And
once again I'm trying to like actively

510
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.039
actively try to like him. Yeah, I don't know, you know,

511
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.320
long term and it will actually work
because there's just still like that, there's

512
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.320
the thing I see in lies his
eyes, you know that that like he

513
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.239
loves it. And I can tell
the other guy, you know, Rains

514
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.079
is just reciting garbage, you know
that he's just spewing out of his mind,

515
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.119
you know, like it's just coming
out of his mouth. He doesn't

516
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.360
really care. So I'm just trying
to I don't know, like the writing

517
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.719
behind it's like his moves, you
know, he's a good actual wrestler.

518
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.599
I enjoy that portion of it,
but it's just a lack of connection that

519
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:20.039
I don't know if he'll ever get
that. I'm trying to allow it in.

520
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.960
You know, Yeah, no,
I hear you, I feel you.

521
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:23.840
That's why I like to callin porsch
of the show. We get to

522
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.360
hear you know, where where fans
are, where they're where they stand,

523
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.679
and and and want wanting to really
like what w w E is doing,

524
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.639
and and and coming to grips with
things that maybe you want choose to happen,

525
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.480
but it is happening and giving it
a chance. And I'm surprised that

526
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:45.920
option wasn't chosen by more people.
But you know, I mean, hey,

527
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.599
if twenty one or twenty two percent
are willing to that can help crowd

528
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.159
responses. Lee, Thanks and uh, I hope I hope your bills go

529
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:58.440
like nine and seven not just eight
and eight. Thank you very much.

530
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.760
And I hope I hope the Savers
may playoffs. That's always fun. Well,

531
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.719
that's that's shooting a little too far, alright, all right, take

532
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.360
care. Thanks, all right,
we're gonna break and we got to get

533
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:14.360
to our onsite. Correspondent is standing
by for us in Brooklyn and we'll find

534
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.719
out what it was like to be
in that building tonight. I'm looking forward

535
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.119
to this, so stay tuned everybody, and if you want, by the

536
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.840
way, if you want to be
an onsite correspondent, I do want to

537
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.760
throw out here Wade Keller Podcast at
pwtorch dot com. We got someone lineup

538
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:30.199
for tomorrow after SmackDown, but email
that email Wade Keller Podcast at pwtorch dot

539
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:36.000
com and let us know if you
can be an onsite correspondent for a future

540
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.840
rat or SmackDown and let us call
you after the show to record a segment

541
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.639
talking about what it was like to
be in the building. And please put

542
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.039
the date in the city in the
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543
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:51.800
organized. I got so much coming
at me all the time that I need

544
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.119
a little help on your end in
terms of trying to sta organize as far

545
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.639
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if you're going to a Roar SmackDown in

546
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.039
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547
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548
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.400
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549
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552
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553
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.679
we are back and we have our
on site correspondent heading home. Are

554
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.840
you en route, Alex from Barclay
Center? Yes, i am. I'm

555
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.760
on the way home from the Barclay
Center from that electrifying main event. Yeah.

556
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.400
Yeah, Well, well I want
to talk about that. Are you

557
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.079
driving a public transportation? Where are
you in New York? Where do you

558
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.920
live driving? I'm from New Jersey. Oh cool, okay, and so

559
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.320
yeah, let's let's let's just jump
right to it. What was it like

560
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.119
being in the building for that electrifying
made eventually being sarcastic or genuine, Let's

561
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:08.199
let's just let's clear up any ambiguity. Sure, I'm being genuine, obviously.

562
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:14.679
Vince McMahon now has the fans eating
out of the palm of his hand.

563
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.840
Here. He knows how to protect
Roman, but the getting there.

564
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.079
The Shield reunion was perfect. It
was a perfect end to the night.

565
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.719
Now I got this match. Sorry, you know, I got the sense

566
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.440
Alex as a perfect ending that fans
were kind of torn in the last two

567
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:34.239
minutes there. They love seeing the
Shield, so there's that part of them.

568
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.280
Yeah, they're back together. This
is so cool and they're like,

569
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.480
oh wait a second, we love
Braun. What are they doing to Braun?

570
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.000
Oh the shield power bomba table awesome? I want to see that.

571
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.440
Oh wait it's Braun. No,
Like, we wanted to cash in and

572
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.719
the Shield coming out means we won't
get the cash in. That sucks,

573
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.559
but we got the shield. Like
was it kind of a roller coaster where

574
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.360
fans were just like they saw they
were excited but also kind of emotionally pulled

575
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:01.119
in different directions. Yeah, from
you know this sense that around me the

576
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.199
crowd, I think you're you you
know, you're correct there that people weren't

577
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:07.880
sure, you know, hey,
should we cheer for the shield? Are

578
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.920
we going to get a cash in? So the crowd was definitely split.

579
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:16.280
But the power bomb itself there,
I think really popped the crowd and it

580
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.960
was you know, after that,
obviously you knew there would be no cash

581
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.559
in, you know, but overall
the crowd was mixed, but both you

582
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.280
can tell, you know, the
crowd was behind both things that were going

583
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:34.199
on. What so what we ended
on was that talk about what happened afterwards?

584
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.079
When did Braun get up? When
did the Shield leave? How did

585
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.920
the crowd respond to the circumstances.
Sure, so after the power bomb they

586
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.920
went off air. I'm not sure
if this was shown or not, but

587
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.280
the Shield did their pose, They
walked up to the ramp, hit their

588
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.480
pose again, and then Braun kind
of shakenly gotten up, started throwing chairs

589
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:02.320
around ringside, visibly aggravated, selling
the obviously the power bomb there they hit

590
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.719
with his music he got it,
makes a little top from the crowd,

591
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.079
and then that was the end of
the night. Interesting. So, by

592
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.880
the way, Zach had orders with
with me, Alex, I usually introduced

593
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.000
you guys off air, and I
forgot to do it, so Zach,

594
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.800
Alex, Alex, Zach, Hey, Alex, Hey, Zach, how

595
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.719
are you good now? Zach?
I'm not throwing it yet, though I

596
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.400
have another follow up question. I
just want to get all right, but

597
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:29.800
you're up next, Alex. What
talk about the let's just get this out

598
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.480
of the way up front. How
did the crowd respond? How did it

599
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.719
feel in the building. Sometimes you
can't tell her it's different in the building.

600
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.840
Versus on TV talk about the evolution
of the crowd reaction to Roman on

601
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.440
being in the building on camera for
backstage segments coming out against Balor. As

602
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.840
the match with Balor progressed, liked, Did it change? Was a consistent

603
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:54.320
describe that for us well. During
the beginning of Raw, the crowd was

604
00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.880
certainly giving him an earfunces of booing. It was a very anti Roman crowd,

605
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.039
and that followed throughout the show's video
packages. Anytime he was shown on

606
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.559
the big screen. There was a
negative reaction towards him. The beginning promo

607
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.800
where he was kind of taking shots
at Corbyn, you know, the crowd

608
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.679
laughed at the jokes, but you
know, throughout the most of the night,

609
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.360
it was just pure booing. In
terms of the main event, I

610
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:30.480
think people were so excited to see
Finn Balor wrestling for the title that Roman.

611
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.440
The crowd reaction was really a favoring
Balor. I wouldn't even say it

612
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:37.880
was more of a split. It
was certainly in the building that felt like

613
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.639
the crowd was all behind Balor.
Yeah, I picked up on that.

614
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.079
It really seemed as if once the
once the match got deep enough that fans

615
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:52.840
believed that the finish might happen.
They well, there was I'm sorry,

616
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:58.639
there was some crowd issues going on. Where I was sitting, which was

617
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.239
pretty close to rings eyed area.
There was a man that was taunting Roman

618
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:08.320
Reigns standing up in the first row
and security came over asked him to sit

619
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.199
down, and they kicked him out
of the building and there was a little

620
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.960
fight, a skirmish that broke out. I would say maybe three quarters of

621
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.079
the ways Ben, So the crowd
really wasn't focused on the main event.

622
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.280
I don't know if you guys got
that on. Yeah, that's interesting.

623
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:28.639
They came back from a commercial break
and the crowd was all standing and looking

624
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.599
to their left and our right from
the hard camera and Rains was staring and

625
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.960
Rains was looking like, you know, like it affect, like it wasn't.

626
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.360
Well, the guy was close enough
I think where Roman could probably hear

627
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.719
the verbal assaults, but he was
giving him cross chops, and the crowd

628
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:52.559
was kind of like getting behind this
guy who was antagonizing Roman reigins. But

629
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.199
obviously, I mean there was a
little skirmish that broke out security WWE security

630
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:04.000
rushed over. It seemed like initially
it was WWW security that asked this gentleman

631
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.920
to please sit down because he was
kind of disturbing the crowd and people were

632
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.400
kind of cheering for this guy during
the main event, and when WWE security

633
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:19.239
approached him, he proceeded to cross
shop d X style to WW security and

634
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.119
the guy behind him in his row
threw a shot at this guy shove,

635
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:28.679
and then they were a little pustle. W w E security escorted both of

636
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.719
these gentlemen out of the building.
But the main antagonist was a gentleman in

637
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:37.440
a I guess I run a roundy
shared first row off the floor, and

638
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.360
really kind of through the main event, people were not focused on the match.

639
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:45.639
They were focused on this buffoon grown
men, you know, trying to

640
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:50.239
get attention taunt during Roman reigns.
So eventually he got escorted out of the

641
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.480
building. But as you like you
said, the match picked up and the

642
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:57.440
crowd got back into the match because
I think Balor started to roll a little

643
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.400
bit and the crowd thought, hey, you know, maybe this is gonna

644
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.719
just gonna happen tonight. I assume
that fan was high on marijuana, I

645
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.639
mean drunk on alcohol. Yeah,
you know, you don't. You never

646
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.800
know what these people in Brooklyn we
got. It's a crazy bunch. I'm

647
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.880
a New Jersey person, so I
can't say that I'm a New Yorker at

648
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.400
heart. But some of these New
Yorkers out are there. They are one

649
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.079
of a kind. I'll tell you
that. I think if he was smoking,

650
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.719
potty probably would have been chilling out, eat popcorn and smiling with a

651
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:30.480
dopey lookout his face. Us probably
more alcohol. I totally believe it was

652
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.360
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659
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:12.480
pwboom dot com. Yeah, I
mean as a kid growing up, there

660
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.920
were always fights at wrestling shows.
Like I feel like, first of all,

661
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.559
I'm glad there aren't, okay,
But now I'm going to totally contradict

662
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.559
that I miss it so much,
like because as a kid, like the

663
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.719
cool guys just brawling in the crowd. Yes, Like I went to Minnesota

664
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.360
North Star NHL games as a kid
and Saint Paul Civic Center a w A

665
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.280
shows, and I'm like ten,
eleven, twelve, thirty, fourteen years

666
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.280
old. I just thought it was
completely normal that when you grew up you

667
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.280
got really drunk and you got into
fights when you went to sporting events,

668
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:44.559
and it was just like it happened
multiple times at like every a w A

669
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:49.320
show, and it happened all the
time at NHL games, and so like

670
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.639
it's weird because to be obviously doesn't
sell themselves. Is that is that now?

671
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:57.760
But I do it is a bit
of a little nostalgic throwback when somebody

672
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.599
acts and I'm against it and it's
totally an upper britt. So I just

673
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:01.920
want to be on the record for
that. But yes, yeah, well,

674
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.039
I mean in terms of this I
mean the gentleman you know, who

675
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.320
was being asked to sit down by
security. Someone took liberties and gave this

676
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.119
gentleman a push after he would not
leave. So but yeah, for sure

677
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.320
it was the you know, the
you're right, there was certainly more fights

678
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.320
back in the old days, that's
for sure. In the crowd. Yeah,

679
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:22.840
I just I mean, I think
I think we're all, like,

680
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.239
you know, a little happy that
it just wasn't a bunch of beach balls

681
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.800
that caused the Tufel to eat is
legitimate thing. There was beach balls being

682
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.920
thrown around, but they were shut
down. Security was very, very thorough

683
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.719
with their searches walking into the building. Really interesting. My guess is that

684
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.760
they were on the lookout for beach
balls. Yeah, interesting, so more

685
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.519
thorough than other shows you've been too
in past years. Probably the last three

686
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.280
nights I've been to. I went
to NXT, I was at SummerSlam,

687
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.440
I was here at RAW. The
security all three nights were very extensive,

688
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.920
more than usual, I guess,
more thorough than usual. So my guess

689
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.360
is there certainly were on the lookout
for these beach balls. But a couple

690
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.079
came into play tonight but didn't really
make the big plays the big splash.

691
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.280
Yeah, interesting, go ahead,
sick. I'm curious what was the bigger

692
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.480
pop Stroman's music when he came out
for the cash and or the Shield when

693
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.840
they came out Stop It the Shield, the Shield. I think once that

694
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.039
music hit and set and Dean came
out in that you know, Shield of

695
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.000
Tire, I think the crowd,
uh that kind of took you know,

696
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.280
over everything that hey, they're back
to save Roman. The Shield is back.

697
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.400
So yeah, I think usually,
if if all other things are equal,

698
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:45.480
the surprise beats the expected when when
there's a crowd response too. And

699
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.039
I mean obviously people are gonna pop
for the Shield no matter what, but

700
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.360
they're gonna pop for a broad too, I would think ti. You know,

701
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.159
otherwise, tie goes to what the
fans think is bonus is a bonus

702
00:47:53.159 --> 00:48:00.760
and unexpected. So yeah, yeah
interesting. Did what was your attitude about

703
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:05.480
Roman coming into this weekend? And
did anything WWW did with him change your

704
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:12.679
reaction to him at Bill Sunday Night
and tonight. Well, let's put it

705
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.880
this way. I do not think
Roman Reigns is a bad wrestler. I

706
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.840
think that the character as a whole, the way w w has presented it

707
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.119
as, you know, one way
they're going WWE versus Roman Reigns, you

708
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.599
know, one against all, and
now they're using well, hey, brock

709
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.000
Lesner, is you know a champion
who doesn't you know, defend and he's

710
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:37.320
not around. So for me,
I'm not a big Roman Reigns guy overall,

711
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.639
just because it's kind of like that
John Cena second leg of his career

712
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.519
treatment right now for Roman where it's
like, hey, you know, enough

713
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.400
of this guy, enough of this
guy. But over the weekend, I

714
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:57.519
would say they did a nice job
of deflecting negative crowd reactions at the end

715
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:02.840
of his segments or matches. So
overall, I'm happy that now Raw has

716
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.760
a champion that's going to be on
every week. I think that's good for

717
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.800
the product, that's good for the
whole roster. It's better entertainment, better

718
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:16.960
television. But I'm hoping that Roman
loses that felt soon. As someone who's

719
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.159
not a Roman Reigns fan, yeah, I mean interesting. I think what

720
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.719
you just described as exactly what WWB
has been going for. Taking somebody who's

721
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:30.079
not on board with Roman but not
immovable and just you know, obstinate about

722
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.840
it and tell a story that you
know he wants to be a fighting champion

723
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.239
and Lesnar's not, which is factually
true. More power to Lesner for making

724
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.320
more money than anyone not doing it, but it's not personal. But storyline

725
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.239
wise, you know, WWB kind
of took the situation they had with Roman

726
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:50.639
and said, well, we with
Lesner. We want Lesner. He is

727
00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:53.719
good for us in a lot of
ways, but now and Brock doesn't care,

728
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.920
let's turn him into a bad guy
for doing exactly what we agreed he

729
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.280
would do. And just had to
help Roman and and and I think when

730
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:05.599
you're kind of in the moment and
watching the shows, you're like, yeah,

731
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.159
belt sort of feels like it's been
hijacked by a guy who's never round,

732
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:12.920
So give us a fighting champion,
and then yeah, tell him the

733
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.400
story on Rod and Night and Roman
very graciously saying I'm gonna I want to

734
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.719
take on the guy who never got
his rematch, made him out to be

735
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:23.639
a cool stand up guy, and
obviously the Sunday Night, I mean,

736
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.679
the way that that all played out, I want to take a moment and

737
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.480
ask you because I'll forget otherwise since
we'renant Roman. After the pay per view,

738
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:37.880
ended last night with Roman celebrating the
title win, but not when it

739
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.559
was completely clear that the cashion would
not happen because bron had been beat down

740
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.000
and there is a rule if the
briefcase touches the stage, it's out of

741
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.559
out of commission for the for the
night, and Brock made sure of that.

742
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.679
So how did the crowd respond?
I'll ad the last track later.

743
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.920
How did the crowd respond to the
moment after the pay per view went off

744
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:04.400
the air? Well, I think
people were cheering mostly because they thought that

745
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.679
Braun Stroman was going to cash in
that people were so excited that Braun is

746
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.039
going to come in now. And
you know, they cut the graphic,

747
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.039
the ww graphic that shows at the
end of pay per views on the big

748
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.199
screen, and they just kind of
showed Roman there. Braun wasn't moving,

749
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.519
He really wasn't in the picture.
So it was really confusing, and I

750
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.599
think that's why the reaction seemed like
it was better. But like I said,

751
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.599
the whole weekend and as well as
today, they're shielding Roman from that

752
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:35.599
negative crowd reaction to give the I
guess the look of hey, look he's

753
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.440
not really getting booed, He's getting
cheered here, support him, support him.

754
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:43.000
But yesterday, like I said,
it was unclear if Braun would cash

755
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:46.320
in, so the crowd was hot
I think for Braun to make that cash

756
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:50.239
in, and when it didn't happen, the crowd was kind of confused and

757
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.639
maybe a little bit irritated at some
But I think that they did a nice

758
00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:00.199
job of tying up lu Vent's tonight. Obviously, the picture is still not

759
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.519
finished. They have a lot of
stuff to get to. He still has

760
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.519
the briefcase. They're going to continue
to tease it. But overall, the

761
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:13.599
crowd certainly was Sunday night, they
were confused, so that's why the reaction

762
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:17.079
did not seem that bad, and
tonight the shield came out and kind of

763
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:22.639
deflected the negative reaction. You can
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more benefits through Patreon. What would
have happened with the crowd at Barclay's at

771
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:00.360
SummerSlam had Braun Nut come out?
Like, what was your anticipation going into

772
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:05.360
the night, And if it was
just straight up Rains versus Lessner and Braun

773
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.880
didn't come out before the match,
did you get a sense how the crowd

774
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.239
was going to react to that match
into each guy based on the story that

775
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.519
was told and everything else. Absolutely, when both men entered, the booze

776
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:22.559
were deafening, probably equal for both
men. The crowd really wasn't behind either

777
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.000
guy. So if Braun were to
not have come out at that main event,

778
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:30.400
you know, in the beginning,
I thought it was smart obviously,

779
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:35.800
but if he would not to have
come out, the crowd would have just

780
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:40.039
completely revolted against the match. At
one point, even with Braun out there,

781
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.159
both these guys suck or both these
guys suck can't broke out. So

782
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:52.239
the only reason why the crowd wasn't
reacting as negatively to the match as maybe

783
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:57.239
it should have gotten was because Braun
was ringside, but if Braun was not

784
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.559
there, the fans would have burned
Barclay Center down the ground. Wow.

785
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.559
So it's a very good thing.
Vince did what he did with Braun before

786
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.519
the match, as he was,
he was brilliant. It was a as

787
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:13.119
a fan and not a fan of
Roman, but a fan of the product.

788
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:19.639
I appreciate Vinci Man like taking the
attention to detail and crafting away where

789
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.719
his guy. Hey, you know
what, he's not getting the crowd reaction

790
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:24.920
I want, but I'm gonna make
it seem like, you know, they're

791
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.400
behind him and it's He did it
all weekend. It was incredible the way

792
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.760
that he scripted it. He kudos
to vinsic Man that he really protected Roman

793
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.800
reigns. Yeah. Yeah, it's
very interesting. Go Zack, you got

794
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.079
a question, question, I got
a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

795
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.960
it was I was gonna shift to
Ron and Rousey, Yeah ahead,

796
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:47.119
because Yeah, it seemed to me
watching there was a you know a little

797
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.440
bit of a mixed reaction. I
think there was a lot involved with her

798
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:52.360
segment in terms of you know,
talking up the other women, going against

799
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:57.400
Stephanie, calling herself, you know, not brock Lesner what was the reaction

800
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.199
to her, because it came off
a little a little rough to me on

801
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.159
TV. Well, the segment itself
was a little awkward because you know,

802
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.199
you had to heal women on one
side the face women on the other,

803
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:13.440
and it just seemed like a cluster, like why are the bells there?

804
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:16.719
They really I know that they were
on Summersland yesterday making an appearance, but

805
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:21.119
they're not really on the midt.
You know, they're not active performers.

806
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:25.679
Why are they there for the segment? I think Ronda certainly has some work

807
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.880
to do on the MIC, and
some of her segments feel awkward I think

808
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.920
because of it. But regardless,
the crowd reaction to her is insane.

809
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:40.400
People love her. I think the
big name appeal of Ronda Rowsey is,

810
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.400
you know, obviously garnering a lot
of attention, but you can tell that

811
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:50.239
she's passionate about the business and she
loves pro wrestling, And as someone myself

812
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.199
who's a fan and passionate about pro
wrestling, it's nice to see somebody come

813
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:59.079
in here and kind of be respectful
of the art form and the backstage area.

814
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.880
And obviously the women have her respect, and I think that's because she's

815
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.360
so passionate and it carries over to
the fans. But you can see that

816
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:13.079
she really does love professional wrestling.
Yeah, that's interesting when when she just

817
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.760
walked out and I get there's a
lot of people like you who are at

818
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:20.440
Summer Slam also, so it's not
like the first time. So you can

819
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:22.440
kind of combine in both nights.
When I ask these questions, But who

820
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:28.159
seemed to be the biggest star or
it's a two or three or four way

821
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:32.159
tie. Who gave the vibe of
being the biggest star tonight? It taking

822
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.320
a consideration, I guess Summer Slam
too among the rock along the rock group,

823
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:45.199
Well, I'll tell you what I
think, truly Elias that the reaction

824
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.400
that Elias gets is so genuine and
I'm not you know he has it.

825
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.559
And if I said over the weekend
from the reactions from the crowd, a

826
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:59.360
guy who probably is the next big
star, I think Elias has that potential.

827
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.239
He's over with the crowd. Is
gimmick is great? That would be

828
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:06.800
my answer. It's my guy,
Elias is gonna like this show. It

829
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.360
really is. Yes, we talked
about it in the first second too.

830
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:13.719
Let me let me say this.
I was at NXT and dep're talking who

831
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.400
I thought, over the full three
days that I've been there, who's really

832
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.840
the biggest star. I'll tell you
what, that kid, velveteen Dream has

833
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:24.880
a real shot. I think that
that guy's that star written all over him.

834
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:29.159
Yeah. I hope it doesn't go
to his head. I hope he

835
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.840
listens to the right people and stays
on track, because that gimmick and the

836
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:37.760
way he plays it is, uh, star in the making. I talked

837
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.280
to Steve Austin about that on today's
Steve Auston podcast. He had thoughts on

838
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.320
on on the Dream and compared him
to some other wrestlers, and it's,

839
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.840
uh, it's it's it's not often
you see a gimmick like this that kind

840
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:53.880
of goes further than most people expected
it too. It's it's sorry. It

841
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:59.480
just seems very organic, you know, the whole evolution of him becoming the

842
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.760
Dream. It's awesome to see.
And hopefully when he comes up to the

843
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.320
main roster whenever that point is,
hopefully they do right by him and set

844
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.519
him up in spots where he can
be successful, because he can very well

845
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.960
turn into a mid carter very quickly. But if they use him in his

846
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.199
talent. Shine. He's got a
shine. Now. You know Elias is

847
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:23.159
liking the show. Somebody who's not
is Triple H. He cut his first

848
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:29.360
wrestling promo in Ages and and made
an appearance in front of the crowd in

849
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.360
Brooklyn, talk passionately about loving this
business. He's gonna do it till the

850
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:37.360
day he dies, make sure it
doesn't go anywhere. Talked about his era

851
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.199
and and how great it was.
It was like this, I mean,

852
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.360
we haven't talked about it yet on
the show's act, but I thought it's

853
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.239
like the perfect blend of all the
good and all the not so good things

854
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.039
about Triple H promos over the years, and Triple H to the wrestler.

855
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.800
So it was sort of a nostalgia
trip in a good and bad way in

856
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.639
certain ways when it comes to his
promos, how I want to ask Alexell,

857
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.159
Well, we've got him on the
phone here, how was the reaction

858
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.920
to Triple H coming out? Because
to me on t V, it felt

859
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.039
like the crowd was wondering, Okay, which version are we getting so we

860
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:09.480
know how to respond? Yeah,
I think the crowd was Initially I wouldn't

861
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.639
say on the fence because you know, we don't know are we getting heel

862
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.400
triple H? What are we getting
NXT creator triple H? Are we getting

863
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.320
the game? What is this?
What's going on? But the promo itself

864
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.519
got a good reaction from the crowd. I liked it. I always here

865
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:34.760
for so I see by the crowd
nicely. I think that the crowd was

866
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.920
behind him. And also when he
came out, he got a really nice

867
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.719
NXC chant from the crowd, which
he clearly appreciated. And then he I

868
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:45.800
think he made a remark something about
NXT, how they did a great job

869
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.159
or the performance was great on Saturday, something along those lines. Oh,

870
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.599
he was so political. I loved
it. He said, you picked up

871
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.480
on that tact. Yeah, here
goes NXT blew the roof off this place

872
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.320
Saturday night, and then you can
just see the gears churning. Oh my

873
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:00.840
god, I'm in trouble. And
he goes and SummerSlam took it to a

874
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:06.400
whole other level, and I'm like, good he had to make sure that

875
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.000
he put over SummerSlam. He had
too. Yes, Yes, it was

876
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.039
just awesome. It was just great
seeing that happened on the spot, you

877
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.400
know, on his feet. That's
why they script promost folks, because you

878
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:19.280
can get yourself in trouble if you're
not as quick on your feet as Hunter

879
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:23.360
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893
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:36.599
so Hunter got a star reaction,
you know, once fans kind of figured

894
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:42.440
out who he was. As far
as the active wrestlers on Raw, Finn

895
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:47.440
Balor, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Uh the yeah, just like talk

896
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:52.360
about Bobby Lashley, throw him in
there, rains who ended up seeming like

897
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.039
the biggest star of the night other
than, as you said, Elias being

898
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.880
kind of a guy who fans are
really behind right now, I would say

899
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.800
probably Finn Balor. I thought that
he, uh, the initial segment of

900
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.519
the opening of the show was really
well well done. Overall, I thought

901
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:14.280
that the tease of hey Balor may
do this tonight, you can tell that

902
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.480
the crowd was really behind him.
So I would say he was probably the

903
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:22.079
star of the night. Bobby Lashly, to me, I think that they're

904
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.719
kind of screwing this up. He's
not great on the mic himself, and

905
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.880
the crowd really isn't behind him.
I think Corbyn's playing is part really well,

906
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.199
but the star of the night probably
for me, has to go to

907
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:39.000
Balor. But then again, Also, I do love, love Seth Rollins

908
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:45.119
and he really wasn't in any of
the matches tonight, but he uses charisma

909
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:50.519
and his entrance is always awesome.
Zac. Yeah, well, I wanted

910
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.559
to ask about Seth Rollins and Den
Ambrose to two questions. Actually, the

911
01:02:54.639 --> 01:03:00.239
first is on the on the on
the show watching MTV. They they was

912
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:05.199
pretty heavy handed in talking about how
Dean Ambrose has this new style to him

913
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.480
and he broke out some new moves. You know, did you get the

914
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:12.039
sense that you were watching like a
just a rebooted character or did he kind

915
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:14.679
of in the arena there, you
know, show the same old, same

916
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:17.880
old Dean as he went through his
first match back. No, it seemed

917
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:22.639
like a revamped Dean Ambrose. Like
you said, he showcased some of his

918
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:30.400
new moves this evening, but he
seems obviously physically different, but it seemed

919
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:32.480
like he was moving a little bit
quicker, not as slow as the style.

920
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.280
It's good for Dean Ambrose. I
mean, I didn't really think that

921
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:43.440
he was a top guy at the
time of his injury. But with this

922
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:47.000
revamped Dean Ambrose, there's a lot
of possibilities and matches with Seth Rollins and

923
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:52.960
Roman reigns now you know, the
re breakup of the Shield. But I'm

924
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.360
excited to see where this new revamped
Dean Ambrose goes and I'm willing to give

925
01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:00.440
the shot. Yeah. And on
that note, because you were the building

926
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.119
last night at SummerSlam, you know, how was the interaction between Seth and

927
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:09.280
Dean different last night to tonight?
Because last night I felt watching the show,

928
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:12.880
there was like a tension between the
two because I think a lot of

929
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:16.400
people got the sense that Dean may
or may not turn heel that that tension

930
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:20.320
socided a little bit for me tonight, But you, being in the building,

931
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:28.840
compare both nights between both guys.
I think that the Summer Slam night,

932
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.440
like you said, I think that
the crowd was kind of waiting for

933
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:38.800
Ambrose to turn on Rollins. But
I thought it was also a little bit

934
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:44.920
weird that they opened SummerSlam within ambrose
intro. I guess that they were both

935
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:48.079
you know, him and Mac and
Tyre were both involved in the Intercontinental Championship

936
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:54.079
match, but it seemed like tonight
they were more buddy buddy, and I

937
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.880
think that that was, you know, obviously a sign to come at the

938
01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:00.800
end of the night that hey,
you know we're still We're still close and

939
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:04.239
where you know our our bond is
rock solid. So when they came out

940
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.800
together and Ambrose was wearing Dan ambroses, when Rollins came out wearing Dan ambros

941
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:14.760
his T shirt, I think the
crowd was behind them. Both of them

942
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:18.719
got really good reactions, but definitely
more Buddy Buddy closer tonight than yesterday.

943
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:24.760
It seemed interesting, well, was
there any part of the raw TV broadcast

944
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.559
that did not work? From a
in building experience, can be a top

945
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:34.320
segment or a lower end segment,
but what just did work for me?

946
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:41.880
What worked? Surprisingly? I thought
the Elias Hawkins segment was one of the

947
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.960
higher points of the night. Honestly, it was nice to kind of see

948
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.880
Hawkins come out and play to that
hey I haven't won and oh in you

949
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:53.360
know two hundred and sixteen. That
segment was good. I liked how they

950
01:05:53.400 --> 01:06:00.280
put Elias over clean and Fast.
A low segment for me, probably the

951
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:05.400
AOP match against tightest worldwide. For
me, that didn't work. The crowd

952
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:10.880
wasn't behind it. The wave chance
kind of started during that time. The

953
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:15.360
crowd was getting a little bit restless, So for me low point would be

954
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:23.360
the AOP tag match. The Alias
segment was good, and obviously the ending

955
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:28.239
of Raw was awesome and the crowd
was really really into everything that was going

956
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.280
on. That Braun was there,
the Shield was back. But yeah,

957
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:35.360
the high points Elias, the end
of the match, of the main event

958
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:40.760
seemed like there a few times where
there were video packages either from what happened

959
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:45.320
earlier on Raw or from Summer Slam, backed kind of a bookmarking or attached

960
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.639
to commercial breaks, so there were
long gaps where there wasn't something going on

961
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:53.400
in the ring. Did did it
seem like that was more the case this

962
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.599
time and did the crowd get restless
for that or did the show kind of

963
01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:01.000
flow from an in person experiences.
I think that the video packages were a

964
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:06.679
little bit excessive. Tonight they showed
the Triple H Undertaker video package that went

965
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:12.960
about it felt like forever but probably
two minutes, and you know, video

966
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.960
package after the next, after the
next. There was definitely segments where it

967
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:21.119
felt like we were getting no in
ring action or in ring promos. Everything

968
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:27.000
was kind of like a backstage for
you know, spots, and and like

969
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.679
you said, these video packages that
I think as the night got on,

970
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.920
the crowd was getting more restless because
the tasting was you know, a little

971
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:40.559
off. But overall, there definitely
were segments where it felt like a lot,

972
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.239
you know, there was a lot
of nothing going on. Did did

973
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:48.400
use sense that most of the people
at RAW went to SummerSlam and NXT or

974
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:51.360
did you get a sense it was
a kind of a different vibe and feel

975
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:57.880
for the RAW people. People attending
RAW compared to the weekend shows. Definitely

976
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:01.480
a different vibe. I think that
tonight there was definitely more families, more

977
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:06.440
children there than Summer Slam and NXT, which are probably more of a hardcore

978
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:14.320
fan show. But the families were
definitely out tonight, a lot more kids

979
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.039
than there were over the weekend.
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SummerSlam seem to like torturously long or did

989
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:09.000
it seem like one really big match
after another that just held your interest and

990
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:11.880
kept your energy out because there was
so much star power coming out one after

991
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.199
another for five six hours. Well, I thought the spacing for Summer Slim

992
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.560
was done really well. I thought
that the match placements were done correctly.

993
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:26.600
It gave you know, you had
room to breathe. But coming from Saturday

994
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:30.880
Night where you get these five matches, five big matches happened so quickly,

995
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:35.000
sitting through Summer Slim seems like a
longer process, and by the time you

996
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:39.159
get to the main event, you're
definitely worn out a little bit because still

997
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:42.640
it's a six hour show. But
the spacing itself was nice. It was

998
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.720
definitely downtime. But like you said, a lot of the matches felt like

999
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.520
big match, big match, big
match, breather, you know, big

1000
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:53.680
match and then a nice breather,
did it? I thought the spacing was

1001
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.439
okay. Yeah, I thought the
match order was really smart. I'm gonna

1002
01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:00.439
flip. I'm gonna flipped Miss Brian
and Seth Ziegler and wreck respect. Uh

1003
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.439
yeah, you may be open with
Brian. I thought the crowd would have

1004
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.840
been all over that. Yeah.
Yeah, again, that's something Steve Buston

1005
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:11.079
and I get into. So check
that out if you haven't. We kind

1006
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:16.159
of discussed the pros and cons of
that because I thought that Miss Daniel Bryan

1007
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:20.960
on watching on the network, the
crowd didn't go nuts for it, and

1008
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:26.479
it seemed like a match constructed and
executed in a way where it sort of

1009
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:29.760
deserved the fans to be more into
it and reacting to it more. What

1010
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:31.319
what was it like in the building? Was that a match that were the

1011
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.920
crowd reaction didn't seem to live up
to the hype and the anticipation or did

1012
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.720
that did did in the building?
Did it not come across it way?

1013
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:46.279
I thought that the crowd would definitely
be more into the match there was Granted,

1014
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.840
I thought that the match was kind
of in the beginning, very slow

1015
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:54.560
moving so maybe the crowd wasn't necessarily
behind it as early as they should have

1016
01:10:54.600 --> 01:11:00.560
been. The video packages live were
really cool the showcase of the ivalry over

1017
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:02.680
the eight years. But in my
opinion, if they were to have put

1018
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:05.760
the title on Miss and it would
have been a title match, it would

1019
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:09.520
have had a whole different feel.
The match would have felt bigger, more

1020
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:14.560
meaningful. But I definitely thought that
the crowd was going to be more into

1021
01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:18.840
it, And I don't know how
it came across necessarily, but I thought

1022
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.159
that for a lot of the match, the crowd was kind of silent.

1023
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:26.640
One of the longer matches that SummerSlam
was a crowd most into or was it

1024
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.199
sort of a tie especially I guess
a J Joe and Ziggler Seth come to

1025
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.720
mind. But you know, there
were other stand out singles matches too that

1026
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:41.279
that maybe got a better response.
Well, the Rhonda match obviously got a

1027
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:45.800
huge response. The It was a
nice little touch. The crowd really popped

1028
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.159
for Natty, you know, everyone
was really behind her, you know,

1029
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:53.680
obviously for the passing of her father, so it was nice, but the

1030
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:57.359
crowd was able to kind of give
her that moment. But for me,

1031
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:06.520
a match that, I would say
the crowd really enjoyed. MH. I

1032
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:10.239
would say, you know what,
the New Day and the Bludgeon Brothers,

1033
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.800
That match itself was really really good. The crowd was getting really into the

1034
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.119
match. And then when they had
the kind of crappy finished there, the

1035
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:21.199
crowd was not happy. But that
match itself was a really good match.

1036
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.520
Interesting. All right, Well let's
go ahead, Zach. You can come

1037
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.920
back to our if you want to
have a summer song question too. Either

1038
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:31.960
way, Well, yeah, I
was gonna ask about bron Stroman again,

1039
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.079
comparing both nights. So you know, last night he came out for his

1040
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:40.920
match with Kevin Owens, he did
the he did the the tease of the

1041
01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:43.840
cash in in the main event yesterday
and then you know he was out there

1042
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.119
tonight. Did did you get the
sense that people were were in on him

1043
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:51.560
each time? Or did his kind
of like seeing him three times in the

1044
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:56.439
same arena with a lot of the
same crowd. Did the spectacle of seeing

1045
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.079
him wane as the weekend went on? Well, I thought the on Sunday

1046
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:04.520
when he came out before the match
started, the crowd was really excited.

1047
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:10.000
But I don't know necessarily if it
was because they were excited for Stroman to

1048
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:12.960
become champion, or the tease of
it, or the fact that we were

1049
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.479
not just going to get a Roman
Brock match, which the crowd did not

1050
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:20.479
want. So the element of adding
Braun there, the crowd was more into

1051
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:25.359
the main event, I think because
people were ready for Braun to cash in

1052
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.399
tonight. When he came out,
the reaction was huge. Everyone was behind

1053
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:34.880
him in the crowd. The I
guess the pop that he got was awesome.

1054
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:39.359
Like I said, the majority of
the crowd, they were really into

1055
01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:42.840
it, And I don't know,
necessarily like I said, is that because

1056
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.640
Braun is a guy who the fans
are behind, which I do think they

1057
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:48.880
are. But I think in both
cases it was just the fact that hey,

1058
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:53.520
we're not, you know, leaving
this night with Roman as the champ.

1059
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.920
Yeah. So so I guess the
a follow up would be so you

1060
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.159
kind of reference both times the biggest
pop being, you know, outside of

1061
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.960
his of his mass. So did
you get the sense that people just wanted

1062
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.800
to see him or like, was
there any interest at all and actually seeing

1063
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:13.560
the guy wrestling a match not necessarily
against Kevin Owens. I know, I

1064
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:17.800
realized it's not the best booked program. But you know, did his match

1065
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:23.800
itself and him in it create any
interest or is it just him with Roman

1066
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:30.199
Reigns that gets people hooked. I
think it's him with Roman Reigns because his

1067
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.680
reaction when he came out against Kevin
Owens it was loud, but the the

1068
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:40.119
I guess the cheers that he was
getting were deafening based off of, Hey,

1069
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:42.600
Roman's not going to walk out of
here with the title tonight. I

1070
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:47.279
thought that was more it. Okay, was there a match after ra went

1071
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:50.960
off the air? Did they advertise
anything that didn't happen or did something happen

1072
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:56.560
or nothing happen? Well, they
advertised a dark match main event. I

1073
01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:02.560
don't remember the match itself, but
they advert tiesed it and after the Braunze

1074
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:06.199
segment where he was power bombs through
the table, Broad walked to the back

1075
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:13.359
after the shield did and basically they
just said, Hey, that's it for

1076
01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.119
the night. We'll see you all
tomorrow, and then they showed the SmackDown

1077
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.720
graphic on the Titans Tron. Okay, yeah, and how about did you

1078
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:21.920
get there in time to see the
matches before Ron went on the air.

1079
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:29.399
Unfortunately I did not Okay, yeah, well we'll have to find out how

1080
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:31.760
well we soccer Hawk, how Mike
Cannellis did or something like that. Later.

1081
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.720
We got to see Kurt Hawkins on
TV this week. Yes, so

1082
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:41.560
oh. On the fan Rockets,
I noticed a little bit before the Rains

1083
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:45.840
match, it seemed like security gathered
around to the left of the announced tables

1084
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:48.000
in the crowd area. I was
wondering if that fan had shown signs of

1085
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:50.720
something, or if security is just
kind of roaming around anyway, or if

1086
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.000
you picked up on anything before the
ruckets with a fan in Roman Rains.

1087
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.840
No, I didn't notice anything ring
side, but like I said, the

1088
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:04.560
fan was pretty belligerent, kind of
causing a stir. The crowd was reacting

1089
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:10.239
to him, so it made the
extra fan protection to the men didn't jump

1090
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:13.560
into the ring because it seemed like
he was headed in that direction. Man,

1091
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:15.920
it seems he was. It seemed
like that was that was his ultimate

1092
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:20.960
intentions. So where where was?
Where was his seat or did he run

1093
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:26.439
up from somewhere else. No,
he was on the first row of the

1094
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.920
seats that are next to the floor, so the crowd behind him, everyone

1095
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.079
could see him. He was standing
up in the first row. So his

1096
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:39.880
first row for a hockey his first
row for a hockey game. Yeah,

1097
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:44.359
first roll for hockey game curs off
right off where the steps are that go

1098
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:47.680
onto the floor. So yeah,
the first roll for a hockey interesting Okay,

1099
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:55.119
And I was I gonna say about
about the ruc Oh did you make

1100
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:59.560
out like what he was saying in
particular, like was it threatening or just

1101
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:03.920
hecka, Like, I'm just kind
of curious it just he I mean,

1102
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:10.199
he was a passionate Roman rangater,
swearing at him, flipping him off,

1103
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:14.560
giving him a cross chops. Anytime
Roman was in the corner where his seat

1104
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.960
kind of was, he was getting
louder, banging on the Plexi glass that

1105
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:24.880
was going along the first row,
kind of really making a stir. But

1106
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:31.079
yeah, he certainly was bludrain.
Wow. Wow. I could be wrong,

1107
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:35.800
but Roman locked eyes with this guy
and I'm pretty sure security maybe did

1108
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:40.520
something after Roman spotted this guy going
crazy and the crowd was kind of,

1109
01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:44.840
uh, you know, responding to
this guy heckling Roman did the crowd like

1110
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:46.239
saying no, no, no,
goodbye or cheer him or boo. As

1111
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:51.119
he was dragged out of the build. The crowd was saying please don't please,

1112
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:56.439
don't leave, Please don't leave.
Let him stay, because he was

1113
01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.159
just you know, he was just
kind of yelling at Roman. I mean,

1114
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.760
granted he was being belligerent and getting
a crowd reaction, but he was

1115
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:06.159
that over the top that people were
all around the arena were kind of looking

1116
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:10.199
at this guy in the first row. So, I, Alex, was

1117
01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:14.760
he did he seem like a genuine
threat or did he seem like he was

1118
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:20.039
just a leader of fan movement that
ww I and Reins in particular objected to

1119
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:25.319
because he was just successful at getting
attention. Yeah, that's exactly it.

1120
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:29.560
He certainly wasn't a threat. He
wasn't a threatening guy by any means,

1121
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.800
trust me. Yea, No,
he was, uh, you know,

1122
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:39.159
a middle aged man. It seemed
like he was actually with his kids.

1123
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:45.560
I could be, but that made
but this guy was flipping off Roman,

1124
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:50.600
being very loud, very obnoxious,
and I think that WWE security team kind

1125
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:55.199
of jumped on that knowing that,
you know, Hey, who am I

1126
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.199
to say? Roman definitely saw it, But I know Roman Locke dies with

1127
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:02.319
this guy. Wow, fascinating.
That's all right, Zac, anything else

1128
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:04.880
you want to ask, No,
I'm good I'm good. That's a that's

1129
01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.840
a great report. Yeah, So
where where did you stick? What you

1130
01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:12.680
pay? And are you happy with
your choices all all weekend? Yeah?

1131
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:18.039
I sat downstairs today, bought tickets
on stub Hub. Paid about seventy dollars

1132
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.239
for the tickets, so I was
very happy sat down low. I was

1133
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:26.960
off four rows from the floor,
fourth row of a hockey game for looking

1134
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:30.760
at it that way. Last night
I was in the two hundred, one

1135
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:34.520
hundred section, paid about one hundred
and fifty dollars for that one. And

1136
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:40.720
Saturday night I sat upstairs and paid
uh thirty dollars for that ticket, So

1137
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.920
we're all not too bad all over. Yeah. Do you have a favorite

1138
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:48.720
experience of the weekend, which which
show? Uh? My favorite experience was

1139
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:53.600
the Adam Cole ricochet match, probably
one of the better, one of the

1140
01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.319
better matches that I've seen live.
And the reaction that both guys get,

1141
01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:00.760
especially Adam Cole. Uh, it's
it's all some the reaction the crowd gives

1142
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:04.000
him. So for me, that
was probably the high point of the whole

1143
01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:09.920
weekend was the Adam Cole ricochet match
and overall event, if you had to

1144
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:14.119
pick one to go to and you
had to skip the other two. Oh,

1145
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:17.800
NXT Takeover would be the event that
I would go to for sure every

1146
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:21.840
year, consistently the best show.
And you know, as someone who I

1147
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:28.199
don't necessarily watch NXT every week,
but I watch all the takeovers and follow

1148
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:31.159
the product. And it's easier to
follow the product because mostly the relevant things

1149
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:34.720
you need to see are the takeovers
that happened maybe once every two months.

1150
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:39.399
But for me, NXT Takeover,
if I had a choice of the three,

1151
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:42.560
that would be the show. Cool. Alex really enjoyed the conversation.

1152
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.319
I'm glad we're able to get ahold
of yet appreciate it. I enjoyed talking

1153
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:51.680
to you guys. Thank you very
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1154
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:57.000
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1155
01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:00.319
Steve Aoston passed down in the Sharp
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1156
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:05.439
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1157
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:11.319
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1158
01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:15.760
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1159
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:18.600
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1160
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:23.560
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1161
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:29.239
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01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:33.359
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1164
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:50.159
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1165
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.920
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1166
01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:59.279
Awesome, Thank you. All right, Let's let's go to the mail back

1167
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:02.479
here and begin with a lot,
a lot about the Shield and Roman reigns.

1168
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:06.560
That'll be a central focus tonight.
Not a lot of people responding to

1169
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:13.159
Triple H and his problem, just
just saying we're not ignoring him. Hunter

1170
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:17.039
just they didn't they just didn't commit. Okay, Tim from Cleveland says,

1171
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:20.439
was that a shield heel turn?
If so, I'm all for it.

1172
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:25.640
Let's explore this for a moment.
I mean, it's reading things at all

1173
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:30.039
in not just seeing that as a
triple heel turn? Or is that preposterous

1174
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:34.640
and definitely not what was what was
expected or how Vince expects people to look

1175
01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:39.479
at it. Oh yeah, I
I I mean never saying never, right,

1176
01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:41.680
But I did not get that sense
when I was watching it. I

1177
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:45.560
got the sense I got was kind
of as I already have shared, that

1178
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.279
just they were going for wild factor, a really cool moment that people will

1179
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:51.840
walk out of the building of going
holy crap, that was that was cool

1180
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:57.399
and kind of ignore all the nuances
of the narrative not really going together.

1181
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.720
So I don't think it was a
heel turn. I think there could be

1182
01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:05.159
some interesting storylines that could stem out
of what happened. But I think Broun's

1183
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.840
still a baby face. I think
Roman is still a baby's face, and

1184
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:13.199
I think Seth and Dean all still
baby faces. For as convoluted as that

1185
01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:17.239
sounds, I think that's what we'll
get come Monday next week. Yeah,

1186
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:23.680
I Www dot com article didn't really
indicate that we're supposed to do the heat

1187
01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:29.199
the Shield for what they did.
It just talked about the arrival of Dean

1188
01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:32.159
and Seth back in the signature black
colors of the Shield, and Stroman didn't

1189
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.199
hesitate to throw down with the brothers
in Black. But the hounds of Justice

1190
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:42.359
overwhelmed him all at the same after
Rain speared Stroman on the outside, setting

1191
01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:45.560
up a monstrous triple Power brom through
the announced table. And yeah, so

1192
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:47.640
no, no real judgment of the
Shield in any kind of way, just

1193
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.439
describing it rather neutrally. So you
know, if the headline was, you

1194
01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:54.279
know, what's off of the Shield? Why did they do that? I

1195
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:58.840
or the Shield go dark, turn
turned to the dark Side and Triple Team

1196
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:02.279
poor Bron nothing like that. So
I don't think so, but let's not

1197
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:04.600
okay. Yeah, well I was
just gonna say too. You know,

1198
01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.199
you listen to the commentary back and
you know, even like last night during

1199
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:12.800
the Becky angle, you know they're
they're saying like, you know, oh

1200
01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.720
what Becky got so frustrated that she
got to this point, and you know,

1201
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.520
we haven't seen this side of Becky
before. But there was there was

1202
01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:21.840
none of that tonight kind of you
know, hinting at a heel run for

1203
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:25.199
the Shield. It was more like, hey, this is this is a

1204
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.359
huge moment the shields back together.
So so I think you can look at

1205
01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.159
that commentary and get some clues as
to as to what they want you to

1206
01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:34.840
be feeling right now. And I
almost think Vince just gets a get out

1207
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:39.279
of Roman being booed embarrassment card if
I don't know if that's too worthy.

1208
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:43.840
But by matching Roman with the Shield
against Braun, you're gonna have more people

1209
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:46.119
cheering Roman than you would otherwise.
But those who boo him are booing him

1210
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:49.000
because while we had the guts to
put him against Braun, who's make a

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01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:55.880
popular whereas if you put Roman against
Kevin Owens or Bun or Baron Corbin or

1212
01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:59.399
you know, pick your heel in
Roman gets booed. Now Vince has egg

1213
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:00.720
on us face. It didn't work. He tried to get him cheered.

1214
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:03.319
It is not being cheered. Vince
has just sort of thrown his hands of

1215
01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:06.359
just going we got the Shield,
we got Braun. They're big stars,

1216
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:10.920
they're gonna clash, they're gonna be
themselves. Cheer who you freaking want,

1217
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:15.439
I don't care. Just give us
a reaction. And it's probably smart because

1218
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.279
you can't tell how popular and popular
Reins is. And he's probably got this

1219
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.520
booked out, you know, between
now in Mania or certainly you know for

1220
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:26.199
months ahead in his mind where there
will be a moment that he thinks,

1221
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.920
okay, Roman against a solid heel
at some point, but it'll be done

1222
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:32.680
in a way where he thinks Roman
will get cheered. And I think it's

1223
01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:39.399
it is his mission right now to
position Roman where the crowd response does not

1224
01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:45.000
seem like a rejection of Roman,
but rather an embrace of who happens to

1225
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.960
be standing opposite him, who is
also positioned to be cheered. So Vince

1226
01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:50.720
wins either way. He wins.
He wins on red or black on the

1227
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:54.920
roulette wheel. But yeah, and
the other thing with that too is,

1228
01:25:54.960 --> 01:26:00.760
you know, he has the universal
title back back on Raw and I got

1229
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.640
the sense watching the show today that
that that really gave for me just a

1230
01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:06.359
little bit of extra structure to the
show, Like there was, you know,

1231
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:12.239
a concrete hierarchy and a lot of
things pointed toward that belt. So

1232
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.960
it was it was refreshing to have
that back. And I think that that

1233
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.359
itself may help Rains a little bit, and that he's the guy holding it

1234
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:21.560
and it's back on Raw weekly where
we haven't seen it in you know,

1235
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:26.439
over eighteen months almost, So I
think that's an element in play here too

1236
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:30.319
that could that could help Rains as
long as everything else gets buttoned up around

1237
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:33.079
him. Let's go to Brian t
and Kentucky, says Wade and Zach.

1238
01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:38.039
I'm so angered at this moment.
This was at ten fifteen pm Central.

1239
01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:40.880
I'm so angered at this moment,
so eleven fifteen ears from right after Row.

1240
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:43.640
I'm not even sure if this email
will be coherent. The Shield coming

1241
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:45.439
out to help Roman tonight was the
dumbest thing I think I've seen in Raw

1242
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:48.880
and twenty five years. Wow,
I guess they are all heels now storming

1243
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:53.439
out on their old shield get ups
to help Roman to not get booed ridiculous

1244
01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:56.800
After ruining Summer Sime last night,
taking it from a solid be to an

1245
01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:59.640
half of the close of the show, I didn't they think they could get

1246
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.600
anything else more wrong, but they
showed me tonight the Shield attacking Stroman as

1247
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:05.960
an apparent heel faction that's left we
speechless. This garbage makes me want to

1248
01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:11.479
stop watching wrestling altogether. Thanks for
letting me rant my brain may have exploded.

1249
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:15.760
Otherwise, Well, we are here
to avoid brain explosions, so definitely

1250
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:24.960
you don't have to wait for the
weight Keiller Pro Wrestling post show to find

1251
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.920
out what I thought of Monday Night
Raw and SmackDown each week. You can

1252
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:32.520
check out my reports that are updated
live throughout Raw and SmackDown at pewtorch dot

1253
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:36.119
com. My written report we'll tell
you what's happening in detail in case you

1254
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:41.159
missed the show, and it will
also analyze key segments and give my random

1255
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:45.119
thoughts end quips on what I am
watching as it airs. So check it

1256
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:49.359
out every Monday night and Tuesday Night
at pewtorch dot com. That also applies

1257
01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:54.399
to WWWE pay perviews. I cover
those live at pwtorch dot com with a

1258
01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:57.880
detailed written report with star rating.
And of course you can find other TV

1259
01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:01.439
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1260
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:05.800
Wrestling and more. Check it out
pwtorg dot com. You'rer first stop four

1261
01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:25.039
TV and pay per view written reports. Let me read another another response here

1262
01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:30.159
about this same topic. Jared says, Hello Wade, This Jared from Omaha.

1263
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:33.359
Quick question. Everyone was predicting Dean
to turn heel on Seth and that

1264
01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:36.520
didn't happen. But what about if
his Shield reunion is leading to a possible

1265
01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:40.720
turn on Roman? Maybe at the
Royal Rumble leading to a triple threat match

1266
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:44.359
for the championship at Wressomania. Your
thoughts and where does bron fit into that

1267
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:47.000
scenario? Personally? I think Broun
will have a short title reign sometime between

1268
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:55.159
now in the Royal Rumble. So
another reaction to what the Shield did tonight,

1269
01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:59.119
let's i'll read one more from Zach
G from Indiana. We can just

1270
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:01.319
kind of bat around thoughts on these. I can bet you've already covered the

1271
01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.079
end of Brawl by now, but
I have a couple of comments and questions

1272
01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.600
about the whole match, not just
the ending. Regarding the ending, I

1273
01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:09.840
think the Shield reunion makes them all
look like total heels. What did Brod

1274
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:14.119
do wrong? Cash in his opportunity
he earned and that WWE gives out every

1275
01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:16.920
year to use their phrase against them? What injustice were they correcting? I

1276
01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:18.920
may be in the minority, but
that didn't help Roman. To me,

1277
01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:21.600
it made it look like Seth and
Dean. It made me look at Seth

1278
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:25.840
Indean differently and frankly, not in
a positive way. Regarding the match with

1279
01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:28.720
Baler itself, it was a great
match. My first question is regarding Finn.

1280
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:30.000
Why on earth would he be the
demon for a match with Baron Corvin

1281
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:32.640
and not a title match the next
night. He pulls a demon out when

1282
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.640
needed. You don't need, don't
you think? Don't you think you needed

1283
01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:40.359
for a title match? Okay,
I guess pretty bold strategy. Secondly,

1284
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:43.159
I'm excited for Roman to give Kevin
Owens his rematch next week, since he

1285
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.279
also didn't get a rematch after losing
the championship. I know it's different circumstances,

1286
01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:48.279
but a guy can dream, he
says. I just went v IP

1287
01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:54.760
last week, and I'm so glad
I did two exclamation marks. I recently

1288
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:57.359
changed jobs, allowing me more time
for podcasts, and there are so many

1289
01:29:57.399 --> 01:29:59.960
I can't even keep up. It's
well worth the ten dollars a month.

1290
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.720
Take advantage of the one dollars sale
price people, thank you, Zach,

1291
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:10.720
get PW George, v ip info
dot com, and coupon code. What

1292
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:16.000
isn't a coupon code I've already forgotten. Do you remember Zach dollar Slam eighteen?

1293
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:19.079
Dollars Slam eighteen, thank you?
Yes, yes, dollars Slam eighteen.

1294
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:21.560
There we go. I was totally
not prepared for someone an email up

1295
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:25.439
to plug it, but I had
to take advantage of dollars, slam one

1296
01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:28.359
eight all one word, noil spaces. Thank you, Zack. I'm glad

1297
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:30.199
you went VPP. I'm glad you're
liking it. I sincerely, like,

1298
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.600
really like emails like that. I
appreciate it. We're really hard on this

1299
01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:36.840
and it's great when we can get
people to take advantage of it and support

1300
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:40.199
us and feel like they're getting a
lot back for it. So thanks for

1301
01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:43.560
that. So anyways, as I
want to throw those three emails at you,

1302
01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:49.159
I mean, it's anecdotal, but
it's not like the people are super

1303
01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:54.479
positive about Seth and Dean coming out
and triple teaming Braun for doing nothing wrong,

1304
01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:57.560
even if at the same time a
lot of people are excited to see

1305
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.920
the Shield together again. I wonder
if there's not gonna be This goes all

1306
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.640
the way back to the CM pump
podcast, fans taking a step back from

1307
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:09.399
being immersed in the product and going
Okay, now we're seeing something we don't

1308
01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:11.800
want to see, which is Bronze
Roman getting beat up by three guys.

1309
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:16.439
And it's all because Vince is taking
the positive vibes in goodwill that Dean Ambrose

1310
01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.760
has from his return and Seth Rowlins
has for everything he's been doing for the

1311
01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:24.720
last few years and use that to
try to help Roman get over by dressing

1312
01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.439
up as a shield again, and
it causes fans to kind of push back

1313
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:30.479
a little harder, going, wait
a second, we're just seeing it's all

1314
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:33.640
about Roman once again, and they're
sacrificing Seth and Dean at the same time

1315
01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:36.800
and having them act in a way
that's not really honorable. I mean,

1316
01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:41.880
is there a chance the spackfires,
Well, certainly, certainly there is.

1317
01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:46.279
I think the more heavy handed they
get with it, the worst it's gonna

1318
01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:49.439
be. They really have to be
careful and walk that fine lines so that

1319
01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:55.640
they don't do that. You know, Rollins on Ambros, especially Rolins at

1320
01:31:55.640 --> 01:32:00.520
this point have a ton of equity
with the audience and they're really anchoring part

1321
01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:04.720
of the WWB audience that is against
Roman, like they're they're keeping them interested

1322
01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:10.800
with the IC title matches and say
that's just general run for the last better

1323
01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:13.520
part of a year. So you
know, you mess with that too much

1324
01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:16.039
and you're really I think you're playing
with fire. So they have to be

1325
01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:20.960
careful as far as just the overall
with the segment and them running out against

1326
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:26.119
Braun. I think it's so interesting
because I just did not that the thought

1327
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:29.680
of a heel turn for them did
not cross my mind one time while I

1328
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:32.640
was watching it, Like it just
didn't. I don't know if it was

1329
01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:36.479
just excitement for seeing the shield or
the commentary, but my brain crow cheering

1330
01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:41.760
and they get right and the crowd
cheering, like I just my brain didn't

1331
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:45.119
go that route. So I'm trying
to I'm trying to recalibrate in real time

1332
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:49.079
here and kind of go back,
go back to it. But just looking

1333
01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:53.880
at it, there just was no
heelish tendencies for for anybody out there.

1334
01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:57.640
That's why I go back to big
moment, leave it at that, And

1335
01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:01.399
honestly, I can see Kevin Owens
next week making a mistake about, hey,

1336
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:05.920
I didn't get a rematch either,
Roman, like give me my match

1337
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:09.159
and they, you know, go
to that next week. So I can

1338
01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.039
definitely see that happening. It would
make a lot of sense, especially given

1339
01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:15.000
the fact that Owens wasn't on the
show tonight, so a lot of balls

1340
01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:18.159
in the air right now for him. But ultimately, I guess my opinion

1341
01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:21.279
on it is I just go back
to I think Vince wanted to get out

1342
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:26.079
of this weekend. I think he
wanted people to have a good time,

1343
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:29.279
be happy, not boo reins out
of the building. And I think he

1344
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:32.640
really pulled many rabbits out of the
hat in order to do that. And

1345
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:36.159
we'll just have to see where it
goes. But I am just not reading

1346
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:41.680
much into it past that. At
this point. Let me introduce another email

1347
01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:43.439
into the because I said, we
got a lot on this. I'm not

1348
01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:45.359
going to read all of them,
but this touches on something we're just talking

1349
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.359
about. Aaron from North Carolina said, it took me a while to gather

1350
01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.920
my thoughts after my mind was continuously
blown by just how far Vince will go

1351
01:33:53.000 --> 01:33:57.800
to get Roman cheered last night,
and he sent this up about forty fifteen

1352
01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:00.319
minutes after ran it. Last night
was bad enough by using Braun coming out

1353
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:03.079
to keep people in their seats when
they had no intention of having Braun cash

1354
01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:05.279
in. However, to night and
by the ways, really interesting what Alex

1355
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:12.039
said that the crowd was going to
boot intensely and NonStop Roman and Lesser last

1356
01:34:12.119 --> 01:34:14.840
night was bad enough. Okay,
so having Roman invite Finn out for a

1357
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:17.319
title shot just for cheers and having
Braun come out again just so the crowd

1358
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:21.520
went crap all over. Roman pinning
fin Clean was bad? How dared www?

1359
01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:24.880
Insult me as a fan, insult
all of us by sending out the

1360
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:28.479
Shield to help Roman take down Braun
just for a few cheers. How darely?

1361
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.279
How dare they try to play us? I am offended. If you

1362
01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:32.680
want Roman as champ, then just
do your job and make him a good

1363
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:36.880
champion who fans care about. Don't
use other wrestlers that fans love to create

1364
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:41.439
false reactions that will play Kate,
Vince's ego and the sponsors. This was

1365
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:45.079
all just too much for me.
Finn is a favorite of mine, but

1366
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:46.439
I didn't even want to see the
match because I knew how it would end.

1367
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:49.079
Dean is also one of my favorites, and as excited as I am

1368
01:34:49.119 --> 01:34:51.319
that he is back, I felt
my heart sink when the Shield came out

1369
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:55.079
to help Roman. My apologies for
the read police. Can you shed a

1370
01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:58.000
positive light on this for me?
Where do y'all see this going? Ps?

1371
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.359
I'd like Dean doing a new move
set. It was cool the same

1372
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:05.239
showcase Marvis talent. Yeah, so
I mean again anecdotally a lot of people

1373
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:12.239
not not reacting positively, and I
think seeing it as Seth and Deep being

1374
01:35:12.319 --> 01:35:15.319
used as as chess pieces in the
Roman Reigns game. Yeah, well and

1375
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.279
and uh, you know that's that's
what it was. And so I think

1376
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:23.560
you're going to have a contingent of
the audience that will say, like that

1377
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:27.479
Twitter post, hey I can't stand
Roman Reigns, but I absolutely love that.

1378
01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:31.199
And then you're gonna have people say, look, I sick and tired

1379
01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:34.520
of getting tricked into liking Roman Reigns. And I you know, I kind

1380
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:38.560
of think it's in a way,
it's two separate conversations because I think,

1381
01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:42.600
like I said at the top of
the show, you there's certainly it's certainly

1382
01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:46.279
worth the time to debate the merits
of why they have to do what they

1383
01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:49.720
do. Is it worth, you
know, sacrificing all these other baby faces

1384
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:54.760
on the show that are more over
than the baby face that they're trying to

1385
01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:58.359
help get over And it's like,
you have all that stock that you're just

1386
01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.520
wasting away. And I think that's
a conversation to have, and it certainly

1387
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:05.920
would be an interesting one. But
as far as just the execution of tonight,

1388
01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:13.119
that's I still think a cool moment
that gets a passing grade for me,

1389
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:16.119
given given the situation and given all
the pieces at play. So you

1390
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:18.680
know, it's a like I said, a lot of balls in the air,

1391
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:23.279
and they caught quite a few of
them in my ownest and it sounds

1392
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:25.840
like I might be in the minority
of that, so who knows. Yeah,

1393
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:29.439
we'll run a poll on Twitter see
at least what followers of p too

1394
01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:30.880
re Torch on Twitter think, because
I'm curious. Now, all right,

1395
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:33.479
well we'll hand on the note.
Zach, Thank you so much, fun,

1396
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:38.640
fun conversation, so much to to
dive into. Thank you for having

1397
01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:41.600
me. As always, I always
enjoy being up excellent, I enjoy having

1398
01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:45.199
you on. I appreciate that thanks
to our listeners also, and our our

1399
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.760
callers and our outside correspondent and those
who emailed. I hope it was a

1400
01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:51.000
helpful therapy session, although I think
for people who are happy that the Shield

1401
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:54.680
are back together, we've we've caused
them to have to go to therapy now

1402
01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:59.479
because they're like, yeah, all
right, thanks Zach, Thanks mate.

1403
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:01.119
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1404
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01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:26.600
a VIP member, thank you so
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01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:30.239
for supporting Progressing Towards. Thanks for
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1411
01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:34.399
Progressing post show and Pro Wrestling podcast
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01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:51.840
behalf of Zach. This is Wade
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1413
01:37:51.920 --> 01:37:57.119
you want to learn some wrestling history. They'll miss the nineties Past cast.

1414
01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:01.000
Every Friday on the PW Towards Daily
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1415
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:05.319
you thirty years into the past by
taking you through the Torch issue from that

1416
01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:11.279
very week. Follow news from the
WWF and WCW and all the happenings from

1417
01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:15.920
across the wrestling industry in real time
as The Torch reported it thirty years ago.

1418
01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:19.840
That's the nineties pass cast every Friday
on the PW Torch Daily Cast feed.

1419
01:38:32.479 --> 01:38:34.640
All right, so VF you members, here we go with some bonus

1420
01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:39.319
mail bag. So Nathan emails.
He says, regarding the Ronda Rossi Championship

1421
01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:41.800
win this second night in a row, that Nicky and Bribella have gotten in

1422
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.560
the ring and tried to be a
part of the moment when it has nothing

1423
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:46.399
to do with them. Why do
you think they keep trying to hijack segments

1424
01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:49.079
and acting like they started the women's
Revolution. Yeah, that was a little

1425
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:51.439
spit. Take a line. Thanks
for all the hard work you put in.

1426
01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:56.800
A huge fan me from Melbourne,
Australia, Melbourne, Australia. Yeah,

1427
01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.760
Zach, I mean, Nicky's gonna
end up in a big match at

1428
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:04.079
Evolution one way or the other.
And this is this is that happening before

1429
01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:08.119
very eyes? Yeah, it seems
it seems that way. And I,

1430
01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.359
you know, I wasn't a huge
fan of that either, so I kind

1431
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:14.279
of agree with with the emailer.
I think, you know, I think

1432
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:18.199
the Bella's and Nicky Bella and Breto
have have their place in women's wrestling history

1433
01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:20.920
in the w w E. But
you know, right now on the on

1434
01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:26.000
that roster. You have just a
ton a ton of a ton of talent

1435
01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:30.439
like Ember Moon and Sasha and Bailey
that just are underutilized and will be so

1436
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:36.039
in favor of of of Nicky Bella, who's who is never on their level

1437
01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:41.000
anyway. So I thought, you
know, I think it's a move that

1438
01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:44.640
gets some some some eyeballs. You
know, she's in the public eye,

1439
01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:47.760
she's got the reality show, she's
got the you know, relationship and drama

1440
01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:53.439
with Consina. You know, historically
WWE likes to latch onto that kind of

1441
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:57.439
thing. So I don't I think
that's what it is. I'd rather the

1442
01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.000
attention to be elsewhere, but you
know, it is what it is.

1443
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.479
Yep. I want I do want
to go back to Jared's email asking about

1444
01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:08.680
a possible triple threat at Mania with
the Shield. I want to address his

1445
01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:12.479
question specifically, what is a long
term of Is the Shield get together just

1446
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:15.600
help Roman get cheered or is the
Shield coming out together? Because you think

1447
01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:17.600
that's actually gonna be the central theme
for the next six months of Roman reigns

1448
01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:23.119
with twists and turns and turns like
you know where he actually feuds with them

1449
01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:28.560
and it's a triple threat match with
the Shield, a WrestleMania level match at

1450
01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:30.479
this point or something they could build
to or does it feel like no,

1451
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:33.479
No, let give us some fresh
opponents for everybody and keep them apart.

1452
01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:40.119
No. I think now that the
Shields back together, and regardless of what

1453
01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:44.680
they do between now and and and
WrestleMania as a as a unit together,

1454
01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:48.079
I think, in my opinion,
the end game for them is a big

1455
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:51.760
time WrestleMania match, the three of
them against each other. They're all in

1456
01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:56.960
their primes right now, they're all
really over with the audience. They've all

1457
01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:02.640
won championships, and you know,
with the story of Roman beating Brack in

1458
01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:05.800
the rear view mirror, like,
you got to look to to what's next,

1459
01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:10.279
And I think that's a that's a
big that's a big match that doesn't

1460
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:15.359
include part timers. It's it's it's
three top guys on the roster that that

1461
01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:17.800
can go and that are you know, the biggest star. So I would

1462
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:23.239
definitely if it's me, I'm pushing
towards something to that effect. I'm not

1463
01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:25.960
sure who plays the heel, who
plays the baby face and all that at

1464
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:29.760
this point, but I think you
can you can get some legs out of

1465
01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:31.840
the Shield coming back, use them
as a unit, use them to protect

1466
01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:36.359
Rains until they get to WrestleMania,
and then once they get there, blow

1467
01:41:36.399 --> 01:41:41.359
it up and either have just a
respectful showdown between three men that are deserving

1468
01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:44.880
of the title, or have Ambrose
turn heel or I mean, jeez,

1469
01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:47.439
Rains turn heel on them. That
would be huge too, but I think

1470
01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:51.000
there's just a lot of story there
and to not go with it on a

1471
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:56.680
big stage would be money left on
the table. Uh Pert An email from

1472
01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:59.079
Andrew Probably not an original question,
but what's the end game of the most

1473
01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:01.479
recent Shield reunion in an attempt to
keep Brains popular? Or did they reunite

1474
01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.319
the Shield for someone, probably am
Rose, to split them up again?

1475
01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:08.000
If they have someone turn heal and
break up the Shield again, will that

1476
01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:11.399
feel too redundant? Would a second
breakup make it too hard to ever reunite

1477
01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:15.079
them for a third time. I
read that because I'm against breaking them up

1478
01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:18.920
and feuding them. I think,
like, okay, Dean turning on Seth

1479
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:23.840
or Dean turning on Roman. It
feels different than reuniting them and having them

1480
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:28.199
operate together as a unit and then
have a breakup. It feels like it's

1481
01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.119
the same thing, but in a
way it's different. Having Dean turn on

1482
01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.279
Seth is different than Dean turn on
the shield or break up the shield.

1483
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:39.479
So I'm I'm with Andrew. I
think if they break up the shield where

1484
01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.840
they're together, and the breakup happens
when they're in unit as a shield in

1485
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:47.720
some circumstance, it really you're really
spending the last coin that you have where

1486
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:50.840
the because no one's gonna buy the
shield being together again. I just I

1487
01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:54.760
mean five years from now, maybe
you know, but you have to travel

1488
01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:59.079
a lot of roads on separate brands
and before fans will take it seriously again

1489
01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.920
and you start going on that road
of you know, Kurt Angle turning so

1490
01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:04.800
much, or going back to the
nineties like Luker turning so much, where

1491
01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:08.439
Randy Orton in the two thousands,
where it's like, I don't even know

1492
01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:11.840
what to think about this guy anymore
because there's no constitution guiding them. And

1493
01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:15.560
I think it'll hurt Dean if they
do it. Now. If Roman is

1494
01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:17.680
one who turns heel, that's novel
enough that it's different, and I think

1495
01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:21.159
you could take a journey with Roman
where you could reunite them later, but

1496
01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:26.680
I think if Seth or Dean turned, I think you're hurting the chances of

1497
01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:29.680
people taking a reunion. Seriously,
ever, again, yeah, that's a

1498
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:32.000
that's a that's a really good point. Actually, do you I mean for

1499
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:36.199
the WrestleMania match though, do you
think they have to officially break up to

1500
01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:39.840
have that match? I mean,
part of the interest for me is just

1501
01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:44.039
you know, hey, we're three
guys, we're brothers or what have you,

1502
01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:47.079
and we all have claimed to this
title. Let's see who the better

1503
01:43:47.079 --> 01:43:50.319
man is. Let's battle, and
then we come out on the other side

1504
01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:55.119
and see what's what. I think
there's a way to walk that line without

1505
01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:59.079
having to turn them. But they
really have to do some intricate storytelling to

1506
01:43:59.079 --> 01:44:03.159
do so. Yeah, Romans from
New Jersey says, seriously, does miscmah

1507
01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:06.159
have it in his own personal mission
to make me hate wrestling? He's been

1508
01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:10.720
doing it? Hello, this He's
been doing it since I was twenty one

1509
01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:14.239
when Triple H Pender rocket with many
A two thousand. Sorry, just have

1510
01:44:14.359 --> 01:44:17.760
to vent here, but hey,
everyone go vip, So there we go.

1511
01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:23.520
Yeah, I mean some I think
people who like the angle are probably

1512
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.319
not emailing to go, hey,
that was cool, you know, like

1513
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:30.399
we're gonna get emails from people who
have the strong emotional reaction of venting about

1514
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:35.960
something that they did not like about
it looking at well interesting. On promosing

1515
01:44:35.960 --> 01:44:41.439
dot net, they put up a
poll grading the show. Nine percent gave

1516
01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:45.039
it an A, seventeen percent of
B, twenty two percent a C,

1517
01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:50.720
twenty eight percent a D in twenty
and twenty four percent in F, so

1518
01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:56.920
fifty two percent gave it a D
or inn F. It's early voting.

1519
01:44:56.960 --> 01:45:00.920
But again, are people who have
those strong emotions you know, I mean,

1520
01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.920
you know, it's not scientific polling, it's I think it's worth it's

1521
01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:06.560
a good launching point for conversation.
That are people who were upset, the

1522
01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:10.119
ones voting, and the ones who
thought I was kind of fun not voting.

1523
01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.199
I don't know because just I mean, I could see say an average

1524
01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:16.439
or only good, but those would
have been my picks for how people react

1525
01:45:16.439 --> 01:45:19.600
to this. So it's interesting.
I don't know if people didn't like the

1526
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:23.920
triple H segment more than I thought. I liked Rona Stephanie I think more

1527
01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:28.760
than you did, and others.
So yeah, something is something is getting

1528
01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:31.199
at people tonight. So yeah,
sums up, sums up. I I

1529
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:33.439
feel like, you know, when
we when we get done with the show

1530
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:36.920
here, I'm gonna fire up the
DVR and watch that thing again because,

1531
01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:42.119
uh, you know, seeing seeing
the Shield back. I mean for me,

1532
01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:45.760
my thought that everybody else would would
have would be hey, okay,

1533
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:50.000
that's cool. Yeah this time,
you know, we were we were fooled

1534
01:45:50.039 --> 01:45:53.520
and we were you know, used, the wool was pulled over, eyes,

1535
01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:56.319
what have you. But we still
got a shield reunion and that was

1536
01:45:56.319 --> 01:46:00.239
pretty cool. But uh man,
yeah, that's a that these email they're

1537
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:03.640
pretty pretty pretty eye open interesting.
Yeah, and we're not you know,

1538
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:08.399
we're not. I didn't lead the
parade of negativity and my report in norder

1539
01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:12.880
to you. So these are you
know, fans thinking independently and breaking off

1540
01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:15.600
a little bit from from us.
I had a lot of questions and some

1541
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:18.279
concerns, but I didn't think it
was a D or an F show.

1542
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:24.920
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01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.760
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01:46:54.840 --> 01:47:01.279
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1552
01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:05.319
right, Another Zach Zack in Texas
says, wait, I'm so oh gosh,

1553
01:47:05.359 --> 01:47:09.359
I didn't know this was the opening
line. His subject line was positive,

1554
01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:11.840
but he goes, I'm so over
moneyed. I rot if it weren't

1555
01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:15.159
for Rona Rowsie. I'm pretty sure
I'd watched SmackDown exclusively two nights in a

1556
01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:17.279
row. Vince gave Barclay Center hope
that Brown Stroma was gonna cash in his

1557
01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:21.039
contract and then ripped it away.
I just don't understand why would he sacrifice

1558
01:47:21.079 --> 01:47:25.439
the shield just to keep the belt
on Roman. That crowd was so behind

1559
01:47:25.479 --> 01:47:29.600
Stroman that seeing Abroson rawlins was a
letdown. On the positive side, Ronda

1560
01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.279
finally pulled Stephanie McMahon down to earth. Every time there was a segment involving

1561
01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:35.520
Stephanie and the women, she comes
across as completely self grandizing, as if

1562
01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:39.039
all the good things that have happened
for women are because of her. Well,

1563
01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:42.119
of course, Ronna gave her a
much needed reality check, and I

1564
01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.640
will never get tired of watching Ronda
put Stephanie in armbar. It will never

1565
01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:47.640
get old. Zack in Texas.
The reason I liked the Rota segment is

1566
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:51.399
is I liked that Ronda asked,
the women don't stand on the grounds of

1567
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:55.920
Stephanie can tower over you get up
on the ring apron I like that.

1568
01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:59.920
I like that she You know that
we had a clear definition Stephanie as a

1569
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:03.640
self aggrandizing ego, out of control
heel as opposed to the feel warm and

1570
01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:10.119
fuzzy about her because she's introducing the
evolution. It's still ridiculous that they can't

1571
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:12.960
figure out what her character is going
to be consistently. I mean even on

1572
01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.880
RAW I mean last time she appeared. Oh you know aj styles like Stephanie,

1573
01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:17.920
thank you for making my daughter feel
like it's worth growing up in this

1574
01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:21.520
world. And now we have Rodas
saying, who do you think you are?

1575
01:48:21.800 --> 01:48:25.359
Acting like you get credit for all
this, and Stephanie's over at Leah

1576
01:48:25.359 --> 01:48:28.880
Heil. So it does sort of
feel still like it's just fantasy camp for

1577
01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:30.119
Stephanie to pretend to be well.
This week, I want to do a

1578
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.800
heal promo, Dad. Oh okay, Stephanie Darling, you sure can,

1579
01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:35.079
oh Dad. I want to be
a good guy and get cheered this week.

1580
01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:39.199
Oh okay, Stephani you can do
that. Like it feels like it's

1581
01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:43.039
her playthings sometimes because of the inconsistency
of her character. I think she's good

1582
01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:45.960
at being a heel, but it's
still dumbfounding that evolution was announced with her

1583
01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.920
as a completely different person in the
way that it was framed, not just

1584
01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:53.800
by her in that moment, but
everybody afterwards, including aj the next night.

1585
01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:57.399
So that part frustrates me. But
I thought Ronda was the one who

1586
01:48:57.439 --> 01:48:59.840
said, yeah, I see you
for what you are. I'm gonna call

1587
01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:02.359
you on it and and uh and
I'm gonna give you an armbar. So

1588
01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:05.720
that and I thought Ronda was a
good leader, you know, telling the

1589
01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:09.800
women, Hey, I'm I'm here
to represent but I want to defend against

1590
01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:14.279
all of you. Yeah, I
mean I was fifty fifty on the segment,

1591
01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:18.960
and I really liked RONNA's reaction with
with Stephanie and on to Ronda just

1592
01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:23.359
in general, I think, you
know, she's grown leaps and bounds,

1593
01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:26.680
just even on on the microphone,
Like she's just got more of a presence

1594
01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:30.199
now and she's moving along at a
pretty quick pace that I think she's really

1595
01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:32.000
gonna gonna help her as she you
know, has more months on her belt

1596
01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:36.439
and she goes towards something a big
at WrestleMania on her own. That said

1597
01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:40.600
I to me. When I was
watching it, I was thinking to myself,

1598
01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:45.319
Okay, like I'm not sure that
people necessarily want to get behind a

1599
01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:50.159
Ronda Rousey that's gonna you know,
lift the entire division up, uh and

1600
01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:55.239
and and make everybody have smiles that
are wrestling on the raw winmen's division.

1601
01:49:55.319 --> 01:49:58.760
Like my my thought is that people
want to see your gift physical and they

1602
01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:01.600
actually do want to see her break
break the arms with some people, And

1603
01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:05.199
if that's what she has to do
to keep the Raw Women's title, then

1604
01:50:05.479 --> 01:50:11.079
then so be it so kind of
openly mating that, hey, you know,

1605
01:50:11.319 --> 01:50:15.279
she's just she's only you know,
she's only this fierce competitor, you

1606
01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:18.640
know, against the people who anger
her. I was a little bit Wishywashyon

1607
01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:24.199
on that part of it. So
the Sephany part I liked that part had

1608
01:50:24.239 --> 01:50:27.079
to be kind of questioning, just
because I want to see Rond in that

1609
01:50:27.159 --> 01:50:29.960
role of just the killer on Monday
night, Rog give me that belt,

1610
01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:33.399
line up some opponents and let's go
and maybe you're all your arms will get

1611
01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:38.359
broke. I don't know, we'll
have to find out. Yeah, there's

1612
01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:42.600
a meme on my Twitter feed at
dull Wade Keller follow me by the way

1613
01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:46.479
at Dull Waight Keller and at PW
torch Zack. What's your Twitter it's at

1614
01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:51.359
ze Heydorn at z h e y
d or okod And the meme is a

1615
01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:57.239
picture of insick man with that look
from the raws War era and the words

1616
01:50:57.239 --> 01:51:00.760
are here's the Shield of Reunion WWV
universe. Now I dare you to boo

1617
01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:09.720
Roman, Now you mfforts, I
double dare you. So it's almost trolling

1618
01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:11.560
the fans like, oh, you
want to be Roman. I'm gonna put

1619
01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:13.279
the shield together. You want to
be Roman? I and a bron come

1620
01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:15.720
out you want to be. It's
like one thing after another, just one

1621
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:19.720
trick of the trade. And Vince
had just by the way, I absolutely

1622
01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:24.399
think WWW's missing out on a great
earnings opportunity. You know, I had

1623
01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:28.439
said, I don't know ten twelve
years ago, T and A after their

1624
01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:31.680
pay per views should do a press
conference where online or its part of the

1625
01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:36.520
pay per view or whatever, where
the booker sat out there. I think

1626
01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:41.159
it was during the Russo era where
when he was booking and just the bookers

1627
01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:44.319
and the promoters and a couple wressers
sit out there and they answer questions and

1628
01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:47.119
they break k fake like what was
your booking strategy, Scott Damore? What

1629
01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:49.199
was your booking strategy of answers?
So what did you envision? How did

1630
01:51:49.239 --> 01:51:53.560
it play out? Some O Joe
is with your character tonight? You know

1631
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.399
have invite real media to do it, you know, like actual media,

1632
01:51:56.439 --> 01:51:59.520
not fake stuff that everyone will see
is fake. And have media show up

1633
01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:02.680
and ask questions of styles, go
what do you think you're matched tonight?

1634
01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:05.039
You know that spot that didn't go
well? How did you recover? I

1635
01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:06.800
was like, I think people would
eat that up and it would put t

1636
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:11.520
a nmap so now you have actually
TENA doing that, I mean NXT doing

1637
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:14.560
that in a way with Triple H
with his you know, Facebook Live,

1638
01:52:14.560 --> 01:52:17.720
but even more so the media conference
call answering questions for real live wrestling media

1639
01:52:17.760 --> 01:52:21.319
people asking questions, and Hunter's breaking
k fave so to speak. He's talking

1640
01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:25.479
about you know, Matt Riddle pretty
bluntly, and he's talking about Adam Cole

1641
01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:28.079
and comparing them with Shawn Michaels.
And he's talking about what he wants to

1642
01:52:28.079 --> 01:52:30.319
see in Ricochet and how he has
to make things look like they're a struggle,

1643
01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:33.560
not easy. If it comes easy
to him, don't portray that to

1644
01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:36.119
the fans. Make it look like
a struggle. That was great. So

1645
01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:42.359
now the next step. The next
step is the Gorilla Camp. We need

1646
01:52:42.399 --> 01:52:45.680
to have access on WWB network.
Subs will go up, Vince, I

1647
01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:51.359
promise people will subscribe to the network
for this. When Raw ends, do

1648
01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:57.960
a split screen and replay Raw if
USA will allow it, of Vince McMahon

1649
01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:01.640
watching of Vincent manning Gorilla position for
all three hours and ten minutes of Raw

1650
01:53:01.880 --> 01:53:05.880
and let people watch on a split
screen Raw and then Vince because I want

1651
01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:10.199
to see him telling the announcers what
to say. I want to because Cole

1652
01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:14.720
was so worked up at the end
there, Oh my god, it was

1653
01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:16.960
just like this shield, this is
unbelievable. You know, Vince's backstage,

1654
01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:19.159
I can't even do it without a
coughing fit coming up. And you're like

1655
01:53:19.359 --> 01:53:23.199
Michael Cole, He's just telling Cole
and Coles try to keep up with Vince.

1656
01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:26.439
Is a grinding enthusiasm for it.
I want to see the Gorilla camp

1657
01:53:26.479 --> 01:53:29.920
tonight. I especially wanted to see
it because Vince is just rolling out the

1658
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:33.399
tricks. Yeah, that would be
something else and I would I would pay

1659
01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:36.840
you know, some harder money to
see that. And I you know,

1660
01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:41.800
talking about that, it just it
really puts kind of a icing on the

1661
01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:46.680
cake of a really just a interesting
weekend for WWE. And like, you

1662
01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:50.880
know, it's so fascinating because just
hearing these emails come in about tonight's segment

1663
01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:56.920
and last night, it's like you
you just watch for some different things,

1664
01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:00.119
you know. I was just riveted
with how they were going to get it

1665
01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:05.640
through last night and tonight on scathed
or relatively on scathed, And I think

1666
01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:11.079
that's one angle to watch it from. But there's just a whole another way

1667
01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:14.800
to watch it and engage with it, and it's it's It was a fascinating

1668
01:54:14.840 --> 01:54:17.119
weekend in WWE Land, for sure. I expected it to be and it

1669
01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:27.119
didn't let me down. Every Sunday
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1670
01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:31.399
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1671
01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:34.359
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1672
01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:38.840
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Night in America every Sunday, PW
Torch Dailycast dot com. Hugh James on

1680
01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:21.000
Twitter just a few minutes ago said, what's the storyline motivation for Dean Ambros

1681
01:55:21.039 --> 01:55:25.399
and Seth Rawlins to reform the Shield
Rains wasn't being outnumbered by heels. If

1682
01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:28.479
you're Seth and Dean, aren't you
sick of propping this guy up as a

1683
01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:30.359
shoot? So? Yeah, it
just it just keeps coming in, all

1684
01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:34.079
right? On a topic more lowercard
here, do you think AOP needs a

1685
01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:36.960
new finisher? Just finished watching them
beat Titus worldwide for the twenty fourth time

1686
01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:40.159
and that move just seems really weak
for two guys who are supposed to be

1687
01:55:40.199 --> 01:55:44.279
unstoppable monsters. I really think a
devastating power finisher might help them get a

1688
01:55:44.279 --> 01:55:46.000
little more heat, which they desperately
need. And by the way, the

1689
01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:50.399
post summer summer on table was great. Go vi ip everybody that's John from

1690
01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:57.319
Johnson City, Tennessee. Yeah,
AOP, I think a manager would help.

1691
01:55:57.399 --> 01:56:01.520
I think getting the Brothers type posh
just beat people up every week and

1692
01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:04.079
having some great jobs come in and
take wild bumps for them would be great.

1693
01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:08.880
And actually having a take team division
on raw would have been helpful for

1694
01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:14.199
them too. Yeah, They're finisher
to me is the least of their of

1695
01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:17.159
their worries at this point. I
mean, they've got problems. They've got

1696
01:56:17.159 --> 01:56:20.520
problems in a lot of different areas, one of which is a lack of

1697
01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:24.600
a division on the show, or
a lack of a viable division for that

1698
01:56:24.640 --> 01:56:28.039
matter, and then the other is
they just they need some sort of mouthpiece

1699
01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:32.840
to tell their story. I don't
think they're effective communicating on the microphone,

1700
01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:38.720
and they really really need someone to
anchor that spot for them, or they

1701
01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:41.800
could be in some big trouble because
I mean, the one thing they have

1702
01:56:41.840 --> 01:56:44.760
gone from it is their big guys. They can do some big moves and

1703
01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:47.399
we've seen them have good matches,
but they need someone in there that can

1704
01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:51.439
carry the other side of that business
for them, because they just to this

1705
01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:56.880
point have not been able to do
that effectively. Yeah. Nick from Bradford,

1706
01:56:56.880 --> 01:57:00.680
Pennsylvania says, no, Baron Corbyn
would be a horrible GM. A

1707
01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:03.279
GM in pro wrestling is stupid on
its own. Waite, I'm still sick

1708
01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:06.119
of this rehabsh storytelling of a heel
corporate figure in wrestling. Why can't we

1709
01:57:06.159 --> 01:57:11.119
have an objective character who only appears
on TV for very important decisions, like

1710
01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:14.960
President Jack Toney. He says,
go VIP. It's worth it just to

1711
01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:17.520
not have to hear Wade plug VIP. Thank you, Nick. I think

1712
01:57:17.560 --> 01:57:21.000
that backfired a little on you,
but I appreciate you encouraging people go VPP.

1713
01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:26.199
And yes we do edit out most
of the plugs, but when you

1714
01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:28.199
say stuff like this, it's hard
to edit it out. So now it's

1715
01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:30.560
like a plug for vipers and it's
your fault. So but thank you.

1716
01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:34.720
I appreciate the kind words and your
support. All right, Yeah, we

1717
01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:40.800
didn't talk about it yet, but
Kurt Angles on indefinite leave to regather himself.

1718
01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:43.640
I don't know, maybe he's got
dental work he needs done and they

1719
01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:45.960
need to write him off TV or
something. But Baron Corbyn snicker, who

1720
01:57:46.039 --> 01:57:48.760
was very happy that he gets to
be in charge. So now we enter

1721
01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:53.640
the post summer slime era with a
heel GM without anybody to offset it.

1722
01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:58.600
I've enjoyed Angle and Baron Corbyn playing
off each other more than I've enjoyed most

1723
01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:03.600
authority figure storylines. But yeah,
I mean the William Regal model and even

1724
01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:06.760
page to a degree, is so
much more refreshing and batter. Let the

1725
01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:11.640
wrestlers be the stars and and and
making an exception not the rule that the

1726
01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:14.640
gmaz on TV all the time.
I think so too. I think so

1727
01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:18.720
too. And but even if you're
gonna go down the rabbit hole of okay,

1728
01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:25.520
he'll he'll GM and you know,
bad guy authority figure Baron corbyan just

1729
01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:29.239
I'm not sure that he's in my
head. I'm not sure that he's quite

1730
01:58:29.319 --> 01:58:30.640
quite there yet. He's had a
good back and forth with the Kurd Angle

1731
01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:33.880
that has been fun to watch,
uh no doubt, but I still I'm

1732
01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:39.640
just like Constable Corbin is the is
the general manager coming off of uh nck

1733
01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:43.199
Foley Kurt Angle and now like Baron
Corban like, it's just now I'm not

1734
01:58:43.239 --> 01:58:47.119
sure that that adds up fully,
but it begs a question of where are

1735
01:58:47.119 --> 01:58:49.640
they what are they building to here? I mean it is Kurt Gonna,

1736
01:58:49.680 --> 01:58:54.199
I mean, is it Kurt Angle
versus versus Baron Gorbon Like, I'm not

1737
01:58:54.319 --> 01:58:59.239
quite sure where they're going with the
Kurt Stephanie Corbyn. I think at this

1738
01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:01.880
point, my guess is they have
a baby face champ and run and they

1739
01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:05.159
have a baby faced champ I think
in Roman reigns and they have a baby

1740
01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:12.399
face champ in seth Rawlins. So
having a healed GM kind of opposing them

1741
01:59:12.439 --> 01:59:15.960
and being a thorn in their side. Maybe to them makes more sense now

1742
01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:18.199
and they want to do some things
without Kurt getting in the way to kind

1743
01:59:18.199 --> 01:59:23.319
of stack the odds probably more than
anyone against Roman. So now you don't

1744
01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:26.399
have Kurt Angletoff said it. Now
it's going to be Baron Corbyn on a

1745
01:59:26.399 --> 01:59:30.279
power trip making things miserable for for
for Rains. And then that's one of

1746
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:32.720
the things Vince is pulling out,
you know, to to try to turn

1747
01:59:32.800 --> 01:59:38.039
fat, to try to basically dare
fans to boot Roman. I dare you

1748
01:59:38.119 --> 01:59:42.439
to share Roman reigns after the way
he's treating Roman. I think that's part

1749
01:59:42.479 --> 01:59:45.760
of the journey that we're on here. Yeah, that's a that's a that's

1750
01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:47.159
a good point, I think,
yeah, And who knows. I mean,

1751
01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:55.600
Baron Corbyn can be just painstakingly annoying
on the show, so he might

1752
01:59:55.720 --> 01:59:58.640
actually convert some people with that.
You know, the other the other week

1753
01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:01.439
when he had that inter action with
Rains and Rains just kind of just knocked

1754
02:00:01.479 --> 02:00:04.920
him in the in the face like
that that got a pop and who knows,

1755
02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:09.920
maybe that could that could be something
that that helps uh, that helps

1756
02:00:10.039 --> 02:00:14.359
Rains. It got a pop for
me. Yeah, yep, all right.

1757
02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:16.239
Nolan for Fort Wayne, Indiana points
out, I know it's like the

1758
02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:19.720
announced tables back at ringside on raw
any reason for this seems w B made

1759
02:00:19.720 --> 02:00:23.439
a point of notice when they moved
it up near the entrance on the stage

1760
02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:27.039
announced back at ringside with no mention, Just wanting your thoughts. I love

1761
02:00:27.079 --> 02:00:29.720
the torch and all the effort you
and your staff put in. Listening has

1762
02:00:29.800 --> 02:00:31.359
become part of my weekly routine.
And keep up the great work. Thank

1763
02:00:31.359 --> 02:00:36.560
you, Nolan. Yeah, I
didn't even think about it, but yeah,

1764
02:00:36.600 --> 02:00:40.479
there they were at ringside. I
think, right, yeah, but

1765
02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:44.479
I think you think they I mean, now that I I'm trying to think

1766
02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:46.920
back, I'm it didn't stand out
to me, so I'm not I'm not

1767
02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:49.960
entirely sure, but I guess my
first instinct goes, Okay, well,

1768
02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:54.880
they needed a table to put Stroman
through potentially, so maybe that's why they

1769
02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:58.560
moved it down there. But I
didn't notice it. Yeah, I mean

1770
02:00:58.560 --> 02:01:00.039
I notice some on camera, but
I guess you know, both of us

1771
02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:02.479
type it up when the announcers are
on camera. It's like, okay,

1772
02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:08.760
now I'm gonna you know, type
and do do stuff and so but I've

1773
02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:15.119
I've definitely noticed in the past when
they are on the stage standing in front

1774
02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:17.319
of it, and I don't remember
seeing that tonight. So I suspect Nolan

1775
02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:20.279
is right, and it's just something
that they just decided to do. You

1776
02:01:20.319 --> 02:01:24.479
know. All it takes is just
Cole saying, man, you know,

1777
02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:27.239
when I call Summer Slam, it
just reminds me how much I'd rather be

1778
02:01:27.680 --> 02:01:30.640
closer to the action at ringside,
and and Vincent Kevin are like, all

1779
02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:32.359
right, just let's just move down
there again. It's like we got what

1780
02:01:32.439 --> 02:01:34.800
we wanted out of it, you
know, to try to differentiate the looks

1781
02:01:34.800 --> 02:01:38.640
of the brands, and now we're
over it and it doesn't it doesn't matter.

1782
02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:41.560
So if you'd rather be there and
you think it makes your announcing better,

1783
02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:45.000
but maybe it'll come out there there's
there's more to it. Yeah,

1784
02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:46.960
yeah, it could. It could
be. I just yeah, now I'm

1785
02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:49.039
gonna go back and watch it for
that too, because I didn't I didn't

1786
02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:51.800
notice. Yeah, yeah, I
don't even is there anything on the show?

1787
02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:55.439
I guess before I totally conclude that
we didn't cover that. You think

1788
02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:59.079
that you got something to say about
No I think we did a really good

1789
02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:00.880
job. I'm glad, We'm glad
we tackled the round of stuff because I

1790
02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:05.039
thought that was that was pretty that
was pretty newsworthy, but also was you

1791
02:02:05.079 --> 02:02:10.359
know, left in the shadows of
the shield stroman craziness at the end of

1792
02:02:10.359 --> 02:02:12.760
the show. So I'm glad,
we glad we got into that. And

1793
02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:15.399
uh so, no, I think
we did a solid job. All right,

1794
02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:17.279
good, So we'll lend on that
note. Thanks VIAP members for supporting

1795
02:02:17.319 --> 02:02:20.039
us here. I hope you enjoined
an extra twenty minutes of mail. Bang.

1796
02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:42.439
We'll land on that note and we'll
talk to you next time. Invite

1797
02:02:42.439 --> 02:02:45.079
you to email the show with feedback
or questions or comments. That email address

1798
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:51.159
is Wade Keller Podcast at pewtorch dot
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1799
02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:55.520
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02:02:55.560 --> 02:03:00.439
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1801
02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:04.560
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