I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in that playpen behind me with nothing but a mosquito
net over him. It could have crept up behind me and taken both of
my children and I wouldn't know. Father just got like a Mustang or something
from Wyoming, Okay. He had it out in the corral because he couldn't
put it in the barn with in the stalls with the other horses. It
would kick and made all the other horses nervous. Had a seminal Indian work
in the horse, trying to break it. Every day they had it out
in the corrown. The skunky snuck up behind his horse and grabbed it bonne
its hind quarters. This particular horse that kicks out, jumps over the corral,
runs into the por you know, to get away. At this point,
the ranchers out there just blessed away with the thirty thirty suncave uns into
the slump. I went up there one day after that, or two days
after that I went up there and sat in the silence up there, and
I'm telling you, man, it was free. It was crazy, you
know it was. There was a crazy vibe up there. Still. I
did what I could to kind of get things out of control. But I
told her, I said, you need to get off this problem. I
feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's almost like standing in
the ocean. You can't stand still without moving your feet. You're going to
get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever, you can't withstand a
barrage of weird spiritual energy and you tip everybody it's wine. Welcome back to
Paranormal Odyssey. Had a great show lined up for you today. I'm excited
to bring it to you. Had a great, great talk with the Squatch
Detective himself, mister Steve Coles. This comes about a month or so after
Steve invited me to be a guest his show, and not so coincidentally after
this one. You can be looking for that episode on the very next one
my time over there with him. But first I'm going to share the one
that he did with us over on Paranormal Odyssey Live. It was a great,
great time. Steve was a really really cool guy. I like him,
had a great time talking to him both times actually when he was on
here when I was a guest on his and looking forward to bringing you both
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that's enough of all of that. I know that you were ready, am
ready. Let's get started. Steve. I apologize for the unprofessionalism of this
show. Oh it all was forgiven. Hallowayne. Hello, Tiffany in the
nether Oh, Steve, thank you for coming on. I'll be there in
just one second. Holy cow, how you doing to not, buddy?
I am marvelous, doing very well. You know, I'm on my weekend.
So it's been I mean it was in the fifties today. Oh yeah,
I mean New York and February tenth and the fifties unheard of, I
know. Man. I went outside earlier today and I always I got the
little Alexa Amazon Alexa show thing the screen, got it in the bedroom.
I went to look on it because I always look at it to tell me
what the temperature is outside, and it said sixty three. I didn't know
if I needed to grab a hoodie. I'm like, hell, no,
I don't need a hoodie. Sixty three degrees today, man, it was
awesome. Yeah, it was sixty degrees in rain in here. But it
was a warm rain, so it's good a warm rain. Are you high?
No? No, but you probably wish that I were. All right,
let's just jump in, Steve. I want to know how you got
your start, what got you interested in the subject? At your background too?
What is your background? And then what got you started? Well,
i'll give you my bio real quick. As a young child, I did
have an interest in the Bigfoot phenomenon as well as it was the time of
in search of so, you know, and Bigfoot really took up an interest
to me because my father sat down when day on this new platform called home
Box Office and we watched the Legend of Boggie Creek together. And I was
about five or six years old when I first saw it, and of course
the opening maybe I was seven or eight, you know, but I remember
the opening scene showing a little boy running my age and that, you know,
that's the hook for me, you know, being that age. Became
a teen, got more concerned with cars and girls than I did with Bigfoot.
Long forgotten got into my professional career. I was an empty paramedic for
a while, both a paid and volunteer firefighter for a while, but in
nineteen eighty nine I started my investigative career and eventually I was trained as a
forensic interviewer. So I would be the guy they would call into so they
thought somebody was stealing. I would sit him down, use some psychology,
use some methodology, and elicit a confession, Adam. And a lot of
times, when you know, I was, you know, putting cuffs on
them, they end up they end up thanking me, you know. Strangely
enough. But in nineteen ninety eight, I had a buddy of mine who
was very big into the UFO topic. It was actually he's written a book
as well, and he's like, hey, listen, I just picked this
book up called Monsters of the north Woods and it's about bigfoot in the area,
you know, in on our own area, within like an hour hour
and a half radius. So I went out to the local bookstore and got
to copy myself read it, and I'm thinking to myself, you know,
well, you know, I mean, I've been an investigator now going on
nine ten years. I said, I bet you then a lot of this
is a bunch of bologney. And so I started paying into the topic a
little bit more. And then I actually spoke with a couple of the police
officers that were in that book, and it took me probably about a good
year year and a half of our well there might be something to this,
and that's how I got my start into it. I started a little grassroots
organization called the Adirondack Research Organization, and on December thirty first, two thousand
and five, or January first, two thousand and six, whatever you want
to call it, I launched Squatchtective dot Com, which has been there since
two thousand and six. And the same year and in September September twenty fourth,
two thousand and six, we started one of the very first podcasts on
they focused watch Detective Radio and that has transformed in twenty nineteen to Squatch DTV.
So that's that's the journey. I have been to forty six of the
fifty states, wow, investigating this mystery. I've had some some close encounters.
I've had a couple of legit sightings in my own research area, which
really makes it special. I'm trying to think what else, but it's been,
you know, a very real fun ride, made a lot of great
friends along the way. Of course you make some enemies too, but but
yeah, see Troy and Tennessee already prime in and that's fine. Steve.
You you talked about you just mentioned it being a year or so in before
you you kind of hit you that, yeah, there might be something to
this. Do you remember what it was that kind of pushed you that way.
I remember interviewing this gentleman. This was a little bit later. I
mean obviously when I talked to the police officers, they were very convincing.
Well, it really started putting me in the upper percentile. Was I did
a vocal report with a trackway in Petersburg, New York, which is in
Menzler County, and I completely cold called the guy. He was, you
know, a friend of mine, his girlfriend's like uncle or cousin or something,
older guy. You know. They had something going on their property.
And I went there and this guy was probably about six foot two, former
Marine two tours in Vietnam, a truck driver, been living on that property
for fifteen years. Was an avid hunter, and something scared the living daylight
Saturday. As I was interviewing him, I could see juggler vein distension.
I could see hair raising on his arm. I could see all the physical
tell tale signs that I look as an interrogator alling out. This guy is
telling me the truth. And he even showed me that, well, you
know, I got this all set now, and he had this big old
powerful lantern pop job together that he's keeping by his door in case something happens
like that again. So that I was like, Eh, people are seeing
and hearing things. You know, it's definitely something to this and that's what
really yeah. Yeah, And you also mentioned that what helped you along that
way with some of the law enforcement people that you talk to that are seeing
something. And for me, in my personal opinion, anytime you have a
member of law enforcement that comes out and says something like this that's willing to
put their name and their badge on the line, because if you're a police
officer and you can speak to this deep, your livelihood is your credibility,
right, I mean, if you're not a credible person, you can being
a police officer. Absolutely. And the funny thing is, at the time
that this stuff was going on, his brother who was a sergeant with the
department, and a lot of the you know, the actual well respected members
of the community were all experiencing They were getting glimpses of this large creature.
They were seeing a distance, they were finding tracks, they were there was
even a report in a newspaper that they said, you know, creatures spotted
again in Whitehall, you know, and then it says you know, although
and this is the exact quote, Albow, Whitehall Police, Washington County Sheriff's
Department, New York Site police all responded they could only see the creature from
a distance. What I mean, they all saw it. It's right there
in right so you know there there was something definitely going on there. And
and talking to the one police officer who had that experience during that flap,
it was very public about it. It took a lot of hits for it
and took a lot of abuse for it over the years. The second police
officer saw his sighting about about ten eight years later, and he had although
he reported, he reported it anonymously, and he had a heart attack and
he thought he was going to die. So that's when he became public because
he didn't want but you know, I had spoken to him when he was
still anonymous, and because I again I got to know the authors of Monsters
of the Northwoods very well. If that one became my mentor for a long
time. So okay, excuse me one second, I'll be back. And
like I got to open the door here real quick. Yeah, you're good,
You're good back, all right. Yeah, I mean I'll touch on
that a little bit more while Steve's gone. Just to have a police officer
that I talked to Bron about this. You know, Brian was sixteen years
in the Atlanta Police Department, and I mean, just you put your name
on the line, and I mean some of the most credible reports come from
law enforcement and military personnel. In my opinion. Yeah, I mean,
I see, go ahead, I see. Ristol puts that I used to
go to Kinderhook Lake right in the middle of the flap there, and there
was there was a flap in the eighties called the Kinderhook Creature. And the
funny thing is is I ran into a very well known paranormal investigator who was
a real good friend of mine, and we did a lot of traveling together
for a while, and we got into a discussion once and he's like,
you know, I saw this thing when I was fishing one day and I
was over by the you know, the Kinderhook Creek and I was fishing,
and I you know, I saw this tall, upright hairy thing and it
came out of the woods it saw me fishing it. It just turned around
right back and walk right back into the woods, and it shook me.
I picked up my stuff, I left for the day, and he goes,
you know, I was eighteen years old when it happened. Yahda yeah,
And I go and he didn't tell me the dates. I go,
did this happen in the eighties. He's like, well, well, yeah,
it did. Let me guess between eighty four and eighty six. Well,
it happened in eighty four. That was the height of the Kinderhood Preacher
flap. He knew nothing about it because he wasn't a bigfoot guy. He
said, well, lead, you know that everybody, you know, all
the sightings were bat right in that time period. So it was just amazing
when I saw that. I heard that. It was like, as an
investigator, you look for these correlations. And I'm not a scientist, you
know, so I don't you know, experiments, you know, I look
for investigative leads, you know, And I see, you know, a
sighting that happens that the person did not know about this thing around there.
It just it just makes that that puzzle that it's another piece of the puzzle
that fits and makes it possible. Yeah, you mentioned some of your personal
experiences or any of those would you consider a class A siving? Both were
okay, you want to talk. I have two that were very classic twenty
eleven in my research. One, I had my team out and as it
turned out, UH, we were out doing UH. I had three teams
out at a base camp team. I had two operations team, and I
was kind of circulating between all all of them. And we were out for
about three hours or so. It was October mid October twenty eleven. Bring
everybody back in. We kind of debrief a little bit, start eating,
and we're kind of you know, of course we're you know, knowing me.
I'm a you know, my roole number one to any group I have
us have fun. So we were having a lot of fun that, you
know, getting a little laughs. And well we're getting our bike, getting
ready to go out for our next run. And I said, all right,
let me go get some batteries from my headlamp. And I go out
to my car get some batteries from my pocket. And then I turn around
and I said, I light a cigarette up. I take my light and
I shine it downhill. That's the North side, which at the time was
where a lot of the activity was going on. Nothing. I turned around
and I go up to the north side and there is one standing next to
the agility pole on the dirt road, basically watching our campfire in our camp.
It's mid October. All the leaves had dropped. Men and I put
the light on a turned and looked at me, and the eyes were reflecting.
They were like a kind of an orange type of color, not quite
red and not yellow, somewhere in between. And I could see the eyes
blinking. After about forty seconds, I mean, I just froze and I
just shook the light a little bit. It turned and it walked into the
woods. And of course I brought my teams out. When one of my
team I had at the time, I had a former I should say a
former Marine sniper was out there looking around and he had actually found the scuffboard.
It stepped into the woods. And the other thing is is that while
they were coming out the base camp, I said, hey, I need
Operations eighteen A out here now where Opportunity Ops one out here now? And
they're coming out, and then all of a sudden, the base camp's reporting,
Hey, we got a lot of movementto the southwest of our camp right
now, which is the direction of where we had walked off. The second
one was a year about a year later, same aria. We had uh
just I had a team. We were shooting for the nat GEO special para
Natural Sasquatch Planet episode, which I think was rebranded in the United States as
Monsters and Mysteries and salved Sasquatch Planet. And we had driven all day and
you know, we told Mat Joe, listen, we really don't We're not
going to do anything tonight, and that Joe was like, that's fine.
Can we just do a few interviews during the day. And they turned around
and they they left, and we were sitting around for a few hours in
Camp eight, and everybody started going off. Now there was there's four of
us in camp at the night. There was me and Jeff Thomas from Georgia
and the Hobbies which we who were from Ohio, and myself by myself,
and so Alssa went to bitterly went to bed, myself and Wayne stayed up.
The latest Jeff, who it was raining horribly to that day. It
was raining off frigging day, So Jeff kept this pill on blanket and a
jeep on the road. So he walks out to the road where the cars
were parked, grabs his pillo on blanket, puts it into it, and
goes to bed. Eventually, Wayne and I stay up a little bit more
and we go to bed. Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. About an
hour and a half later, nature calls I gotta use a tree. So
I zip my tent and as like, get out of my tent and I
see a five and a half reddish brown commented long hair take off like a
bat at all. And my first impression was that was like no, no,
no, I couldn't have just saw that, just gonna saw that.
Used the tree of course, going like this, and got back my tent.
The next morning, I wasn't planning on saying anything, but I get
it woken up by Jeff who got up early and was putting his pillow and
blanket back in his jeep, and something left a log behind his jeep.
Left the log a log yep. It was about maybe three and a half
four feet long round. It was a birch, and we were collecting a
lot of birch that day, which is very odd kind of almost makes you
think that maybe that we were being watched the whole time because we were collecting
a lot of birch logs. Why because birch will burn wet, because once
that bark gets heated up on any kind of kindling under it, it'll go
up likes. So we were collecting a lot of birchs because that the maple
that had fallen or the oak that had fallen that won't burn very well.
That that's interesting. So you said the IU admit when you first said log,
I thought you meant like it took a done. No. No,
not the traditional lawn sausage. No. Yeah, funny man, that's crazy.
That first one you saw, you got a pretty good look at it,
right, not as good as the second one. It's not longer,
but it was further away, so I was lit and it was just at
the edge of my leg. See the outline of it didn't get much detail,
but because the eyes were just really bright as they were reflecting back,
and it was probably at maybe one hundred one hundred and twenty foot distance,
so whereas the second one I saw that was fifty feet if not less,
and it just took off and when I think it was snooping ray. It
was just like getting a look see basically, But it was the young one.
It was, only it wasn't as tall as like five and a half
feet. And I remember because even though it had been raining, its overcast,
there was a full moon that night, so the whole all the clouds
were lit up like a night light almost, so it was quite brighter that
night, whereas the year earlier, I don't remember there being much moonlight out
there. So, okay, now something I'm always curious about. And I
get fifty to fifty response on the question do you were you at a point
where you could tell detail of the face, and if so, did it
look more human or animal? A lock? Well, I didn't really get
a good look at either. Face appressed me much. Is you know the
one further away, Like I said, it was way further away. It
was very dark, but the eyes were just piercing, you know, you
could see that reflection, and they were high. We actually measured it was
about eight foot off the ground maybe I would say probably between seven eight and
eight foot off the ground. The second one, you know, I just
saw it kind of a you know, by the time I saw it,
I got a profile view because I think it started to run as soon as
I ends up at ten it was to take off r It was already probably
midflight. It wasn't like standing there and then took off when I looked at
it was when I got out. I was taken off as I was getting
out of the tent. But I could make out in both instances the hair
was very long. I know. In the first one it did have a
very I could see very clearly the conical shaped head outline, very lack of
any shoulders. And the the smaller one, you know, it's just a
play was just there. It was, you know, because of the profile,
you really can't make out the details of it face, you knows on
other than the fact I can see the I can see the legs going.
Alright. So, Steve, we all know what you're best known for,
and that's calling out the bullshitters, busting hoaxers. I want to ask who
have you had, Which person or individual have you had the most you had
the most fun with as far as debunking and calling them out. Actually,
I got to say the latest one I did. Well, I'm not the
latest. I the uh, there's general. My name is Steve Copperan,
and he, uh, he decided early last year to give me this picture
and it made up the story. Sounded really odd, he says, you
know, I finally got a picture of him and I gotta yeah. And
he said he didn't realize it until he was looking at the pictures on his
camera. That's kind of weird, especially looking at this picture. But in
the picture I could see the video like a video status bar, you know,
like a progress bar. And I said, you know, is this
a screen cap? You know, Automatically he got all like, oh,
you know, if you can find I dare you to find this on YouTube?
I dare you to find this. Well, I forgot about it.
I forgot a challenge accepted, but I forgot about it for a little while.
And then I came up again and I started because I was doing I
was looking at the searching for Bigfoot website and they have the picture on there.
I'm like, wait a minute, and I go back and like,
you know what, we gotta find this. So I put it out to
my membership, you know, can we find it? And actually my co
host came up with it because I was busy, you know, I transitioned
them where I'm working. He was working in amatals. I didn't get the
shift I wanted because I was new and now I have seniority and I got
where I want. But but he found it and it was off one of
the hot Dogs documentaries on Bigfoot. Oh yeah, so we we got that,
and I busted him on it and said, you know, challenge accepted.
Here it is, you know, basically, so it's a real got
youa moment. So about six weeks, seven weeks goes by and he starts
reaching out to me again. He goes, oh, now he's trying to
blame that that somehow the photo accidentally went from his Google Chat to his gallery
right, and he's trying to blame his late co host of his podcast,
Janell, And he was trying to blame him for sending him that. So
I said, well, could you prove it? He is, well,
my phone is broken, blah blah blah, and he basically he sent me
some doctored pictures up that wasn't even from a phone. It was Smith's computer
that he was just taking pictures off of it with his with his camera.
And I debunked those and called him called them out for what those were and
so that was that was a lot of fun. Who was this person's dave?
That was? His name was Stephen Kauferin. He has a podcast.
He's called the Gentle Giant because he's like seven foot tall legitimately anything. I
I don't even know the name of his podcast, but he runs it in
in some very very quiet channels. Yeah. Nothing, you know, nothing
like it's not on Spokyo or Spotify or iHeartRadio or any of those. It's
just sits there in some mundane you know. If you want to see it,
show us that, you know, like live show, Live shows dot
com or something silly like that. Yeah, what can you tell us,
Steve about this fella named Vault Keeper? Well, that's very interesting. I
was approached by some folks about the vault and I just did a very brief
thing on him, because you know, obviously he got on one podcast and
said, oh I just recorded this the other day. It was clearly the
Patterson Bell Tower audio, very clear as day. And then I start looking
at some other stuff and I could go on, there's a whole litany of
stuff and claims he made, and I just what I did is I did
a video on some of his most wildest claims, like he was pulled out
a boot camp when he was in the Marines to join a special task force
to haunt the dog Man. There was another thing he said that, you
know, I I belonged to to two Indian nations. I belonged and one
of them, he said, was the Four Corners Nation. And I was
like, wait a minute, I've spent a couple of months on the Four
Corners Nation. I have a very good friend, one of the elders of
the to day and uh, you know, good old Leonard, Chief Leonard
Dan and number one, there is no four Corners nation. In fact,
the Navajo and Newts were at war with each other for quite some time.
And the other ones are the Hopie and I forget the other ones right off
the top of my head, but they didn't have any confetacy nation. And
then the other thing is is that you don't ever say I belong to the
nation. The tribe belongs to the nation. You belong to a tribe.
So what he said there was so inaccurate. And then there was this whole
stolen valor thing too that you know, you know, they that I had
one of the fans there actually helped in contacted Don Shipley and they ended up
getting records in the department in Navy, which obviously is who the Marine Corps
falls under. Says we've never had this guy as you know, a marine.
So yeah, and he claimed to be what Chris Kyle that's name.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he made you know, made out that
you know, well, I respect you know, and that was the other
thing that hold that you know. I although I've never been in the military,
I've read a lot my my my hero of all time was the late
Dick Martenko, who was the founder of Seal Team six. And uh,
you know, I've read a lot of his writings. I've read Chris,
I've read Chris Cryle's book, I've read a number of you know, No
Easy Day, I've read a bunch of them. And there is no way
that the Navy seals will or even a sniper will partner with a non seal
observer. And they work as a unit, they work as a team,
they trained together. They're not going to say, oh, well today you're
going to take this guy and that's going to be your partner for they doesn't
work that way. Yeah, he claimed to be like I can't think of
the word like contract, government, contractor, the military contractors and shit.
And I put the clip on there where he can't even remember. He was
asked, well, which contractor, and somebody said Blackwater. Oh yeah,
blackwater. Oh god. Yeah, he's not disappeared, right because I can't.
I went to his channel and there's I got like seven videos on there
and it's all members only. Ship. Yeah, that's because he's been called
out enough times. He was asking. He asked for all kinds of money.
His his followers send him money for to do a damn documentary or some
shit that never got produced. Well, I know there was that trell cam
project that he was producing and he was asking money for trail cameras. Apparently
this is what I've heard in that that never that never came about either.
Yeah, I mean it's you know, there was another guy years ago.
Uh. His name was Bob Garrett uh and Big Wicket Tours, and he
was doing a lot of extra memory in Texas and the Big Viket area and
he was being heavily promoted on the Sasquatch Chronicles. And Garrett's operation got shut
down by the FEDS because obviously you can't take people on a federalization and charge
them money for tours violates the loss. They got shut down, they actually
got arrested, and as as it turned out, people had paid him money
for this expedition, he never returned to dime. Yeah, I heard that.
I remember that was back when I used to listen to Sasquatch Chronicles when
I first got it, and Neil was on the right to about the torn
up camp story, and there was an audio two that we had We had
called him out and I had actually debunked that audio. Well, somebody else
had the I had to wear with all the fun the clip. So I
put him together and I matched them together, lined him up to the exact
same clip. Yeah, the whole bunch of them went on Sasquats Chronicles,
if I remember, and talked to West about being arrested, like you said,
But they were obviously claiming they were being arrested because they had big foot
knowledge, or they were getting too close or or some bullshit like that.
There was reports of them being shot at or something, and it was because
they were hold they were taking money from people to hold these investigations on property
that they weren't supposed to be on. And one of the guys did that.
You know, Garrett basically used to help him. When was that moment
show? And moment show was like, No, we never got arrested because
of big Bigfoot and hunts. We got arrested because Garrett was supposed to have
this taken care of and he didn't. Yeah, they came come on there
saying, we not collecting money for this. You know, the money is
for the food and for this and for study and all that bullsh you were
charging. I don't know how much. They don't telling how much they charged.
Do you know anything about that, Steve, like a dollar figure?
They were charging five hundred dollars ahead the one couple, the one couple I
help, I helped, They basically took their entire life savings there one thousand
dollars. They were a poor little Missouri couple and the wife bought it for
the husband as a present and they paid him a thousand dollars and tried and
tried and tried and tried, And I seen the PayPal receipts, I've seen
the text messages. Bob just keeps passing it off. Well, you got
to ask my daughter Sandy, or you got to ask this person. You
got to ask that person. But the money was sent to him and PayPal
was very clear about that. And of course what ends up happening. They
never get their money back. They're out a thousand bucks throughout their life savings,
no experience. Yeah, i'd heard that Bob Garrett talk about had some
whoppers, dude, and let me let me explain something to you about the
Sasquatch chronicles. As he Ristal said, I felt bad about Sasquatch Chronicles.
Wes knew. I told Wes I was on the phone West. I even
let let Wes listen and showed him the audio, and his response was,
well, I don't see it. I don't see the resemblance what And then
he continued to have Garrett on his show after that, after he knew people
were getting ripped off. So I don't buy I don't buy it for a
fact, because you know why Bob Garrett brought in clicks. That's why I
remember Bob coming on there and talking about being up in the wilderness one year
or something and catching the flu or some shit and being almost near death and
being carried out by damn sasquatch. Yeah, I mean you would think he
would have. And then there's the whole He was loan some equipments by this
guy named Max, and you know, he loaned them four fleer units.
He got three of them back and they were completely destroyed, you know,
and the fourth win he never got back. Yeah, I mean there's a
lot, a lot of shade at this guy. And yeah, you know,
I I dare say that. You know, one of the big things
and having edge up is that when you look at citing reports and stuff like
that, people make certain claims and you wonder why. You know, you
get this video and there's no claims on it. That's automatically to me in
the garbage file. But you have these people that make some really wild claims.
And you know, I hate to say it, but you have Wes's
story saying, oh, we we were surrounded by sasquatch and we could see
them in the moonlight. And you look at the date of the event and
there's a new moon, there's no moon out there. How can you see
him in the moonlight. So it's those little facts that really can make or
break an investigation. And that's what's talking about with his personal experience or the
one he went round to Texas to do now the one when he was with
Woody. Oh hey, the main one that got him right, right right.
And then we find out there was no you know, the date of
the event. There was no moon. It was a new moon. So
you look at little facts like that and it makes a big difference. That's
why when the first thing I do in any any any type of sighting is
I pull the weather data, even on our own stuff. You know,
we we had this audio we captured last September in my research area one which
is where I had my sightings, and we you know, there's the weather
data, here's the phase of the moon phases, and that we don't want
to get things wrong, you know, you know, I you know the
era we're in. It's very would it. I can't tell you if there's
a full moon, you know, and on a mountain so or in a
series of mountain ranges. So it's like I can't tell with the moon phases
unless happens to be a certain time. And frankly, I don't have a
journal to write it down, and I don't really pay attention to that.
So yeah, yeah, I'm there. Even back when I was a big
fan of the show I had a hard time believing with the story. Yeah,
and then you hear a lot of people looking into it and it just
kind of kind of validates it. Who else, is there anybody else need
that sticks out to you that that just like borderline ridiculous? Well, I
mean we've been tolerating codd standing and is you know, muppet Barrage and puppet
Brage, all these little face shots over the years. That's one. You
have the mountain of fountains of misinformation over at searching for bigfoot dot com,
where I looked at their homepage. I'm like, that's Ai, that's Ai,
that's her, and there's the coffer On photo. So you see all
this stuff. I mean that one, I mean, I'm like that one
I've never seen. So three out of the four that are on their front
page is Bigfoot evidence have already been debunked. And then you have the clickbait
artists, you have your MVTV, you have now you have this channel called
the Sasquatch Mafia that's just taking people's stuff and reposting it. They're not even
you know. And then you have of course, you know Rocky Mountain Sasquats
that'll take any anything and try to claim it the Sasquatch they've become. Years
ago, ten years ago, twelve years ago, we had something called Facebook,
fine bigfoot before YouTube, and these guys would take all these photos and
videos and try to make them appear to be real and why they're real,
and some of them like, hey, you know what, I've already talked
to the people who shot that and they admitted it was a hoax. You
know, stuff like that. That was I remember that was the interstate hoax
Interstate Wa wsconsin. Stay tuned for more Paranormal Odyssey. But now now you
see these things are posting things that have already been debunked. Don't care.
It's all about cliques, and you know, it's it's very I know,
Brian did a great study on that, and that's why people do things like
that, because they get those cliques instead of having an honest program. Now,
why do you think Brian caught so much shit? I don't know.
I really don't know. Yeah, surprising to me, you know, and
I get it. If you're not explaining yourself why you're doing those things,
sometimes people say what the hell is going on here? And believe it or
not, I ran a very similar thing, but I ran it with YouTube
shorts, so that was that was the difference on that one. Yeah,
okay, I and I did something. In fact, you know, you
look in my Mike channel. I have a little playlist called is This Bigfoot?
And that was my experiment. So now you mentioned Facebook finding Bigfoot,
they are no longer around. They were pretty much banned, right, No,
no, they they they dipped out because they supported Rick Dyer in the
twenty twelve hoax. And word out on the street too was they did purchase
the rifle from him too, for a five figures they purchased the Yeah,
they he claimed to shoot one, they shoot the body and they bought that,
you know, from him, And I kept warning them, guys,
you know those guy's a hoaxer. I you know, I busted him in
two thousand and eight big time and landed me on Fox News. Now what
happened there is that where they claimed up on the body. That was the
Georgia Bigfoot body hoax two thousand and eight, where Biscardi came in and started
promoting it worldwide and I basically forced myself invite into the scene and within twenty
four hours there I had managed, you know, at the behest of actually
Biscardi's son, to prove that it was indeed a suit that was frozen in
the ice. Did you see it firsthandsh oh, I touched it? Yeah,
Oh my god, I didn't. I'm going to pull I told the
foot out going to suit. Who did they think? They were fucking bulling?
Well they weren't. The whole goal of that was the two thousand and
eight hoax, was for Biscardi to come in and have some people film it.
And you remember, back in the early two thousands was the alien autopsy
hoax. It was aired on Fox News, and I remember him saying to
me, well, I got these guys coming from Fix. You know from
Fox they did the Lien autopsy video. They're coming out to film the body
of the Bigfoot. Well, the whole idea was to have all of the
people there to sign an MDA to not talk about body, have them film
it and put out the movie and at of me of a bigfoot body instead.
Because I refuse to do that. I refuse to do that. I
told him to hope not covering a hoax up with another hoax, Sorry,
buddy. Yeah. Uh, And you know and he even tried to you
know, it was like, oh, you know, he goes, if
we all stick down strip to this thing, there's money to be made on
this. There, we all stick together on this so which there's money to
be We had a good story here, there's money to be made. And
I was like, nope, sorry, it ain't happening. And yeah,
so they had to come up with the fallback story of well, you know,
we got ripped off, and you know, I basically put a wedge
in between everybody there the collusion. You know, they started and Biscardi claim,
oh, I'm going to sue Diarone Winton. He never did, of
course not. Yeah, and was Diaron went and paid fifty thousand cash.
YEP. I have a copy of the bank statement and my files there.
Discardi paid him. No, actually, one of his investors by the name
of Bill Lett paid him. I have the entire eighty nine page police report
that was made by bill that was initiated by Bill Lett. But as it
turned out, bill Lett had loaned the money to Biscardi. Basically that was
the agreement, and Discardi would pay him back in ninety days and uh so
bill Lett couldn't actually charge them with anything, and Biscardi really didn't want anything
to do with it. He didn't give a statement to the police, yet
he was the one who spent the most time with him. So yeah,
there's definitely a collusion there going on. To people wonder why we can't be
taken serious, well, I don't think it's a better way. I think
that if people look at some of us like you know, and I agree,
you know what Scott, that you guys do catch much great when you
tell the truth and expose fake people. I agree. You know. I've
been at the forefront of that thing now since two thousands, since two thousand
and six. You don't know how many times I've been My wife has been
threatened, my uh I had somebody claim they're gonna come to my house and
might go ahead, you'll meet my my my friend, my two friends,
mister Smith and mister Wesson. Uh. I also have a background of martial
arts too, so I'm not really worried about it. Yeah, obviously I
had to deal with some pretty shady people in my day. Yeah, and
uh, you know, I've had my life when people will say, oh,
you're jealous, which is a joke. But have I got to be
jealous on. You know, it's kind of funny because now they say that
on YouTube and I fire right back out of somebody leaves a snarky comment,
Oh you're just jealous? Oh really, what have I got to be jealous
on? I've been on eighteen programs since two thousand and eight on network television,
and currently I'm slated to be on four episodes of The Proof Is out
There next for this coming season. So I'm not really jealous of anybody.
You're just jealous, Dave. You're trying to make a name for yourself.
I've written three books, I get invited to speak at conferences. What have
I got to be jealous about? Always? That seems to be the go
to response for anybody that is threatening to others. And so what I tell
him is, instead of leveling his accusations, give me the receipts where this
is real. Give me a receipt to prove I'm wrong, and they never
can. And I remember I started shutting down tod standings people by putting the
picture of that very first one he put up there, the one that looked
like it has the fuzzy face the Muppet, And I say, you know,
what. I'll answer that question after you can. If you answered this
question, I'll answer your question, and I put up that picture is this
a big foot? And they will either repeat the same question. No,
I'm not answering in to answer that question. I go your lack of communication
there is telling me you don't want to answer that question. Yep, and
they shut them right down. Okay, well I'll answer that question. Answer
me this question first, is this a big foot? And if you can't
answer that, you better start looking inside? Yeah, now, Steve,
has there ever been and all the times you've been doing this, has there
ever been an instance where you went into something thinking, Okay, this is
clearly bullshit, But the more you looked and looked, you're maybe there's something
to this. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean many many moons ago
two thousand. I want to say it was the end of two thousand and
three. I had I had gotten a report from a UH and I you
know, I was a BFRO investigator at this time. I'm technically a BFRO
investigator. Now do I do? I do? My Most of my stuff
I do is independent anyway, and they don't really bother at me too much.
I do what I need to do. But in two thousand and three,
I had seen this report of a guy who claimed had a video something
in a tree at a music festival, and am I going, oh,
this is probably boll and. Uh So I talked to the guy who was
handling it at first, and I asked him, I go, you know,
well, the guy sounds kind of hokey. Well, what do you
mean sounds kind of hokeey? Well, he just kind of talks funny.
Go for God's sakes, he's from New Jersey, of course he talks funny.
I'm for New Jersey. I was, I was born there. So
I turn around and and I go, did you ever see the video tape?
Because no, I never. I never asked, Well, you can't
judge something by talking to a guy who's claiming he's got a video. Get
the video. And then so I talked to the guy in about six weeks
later, I get the video, so they had to go make a copy.
I get the video and I'm like, I had a giant screen TV
at the time. I put it in hit play and I'm going, oh,
this is this ought to be good. And the first thing I see
is this large dark figure in the background walking as this little one jumps off.
It climbs up into a tree, hand over hand into the tree,
swings once, goes into tree, drops down. I spent over four hundred
hours looking at that video, breaking it down by frame by frame by frame,
and to this day, I mean I literally when I do an investigation,
it's not like I get a video and like and this, unfortunately is
the the the bane of a lot of YouTube researchers. They get something in
a day later they got to post it. If you get good evidence before
you post that, some bitch, you better go back. Get all your
facts straight, You get all your stuff ducks in a row, do your
research, try to debunk it, go through the motions, then put it
out there, because if not, you're going to catch crap and you're not
giving people the proper receipts. So that's what I did with this. I
did frame by frame. The first thing I did was I converted to DVD,
and then I was able to take that because this is this is two
thousand and three, folks. Then I took the DVD and I converted it
to video files for the computer work, and I work with that and I
made tons of phone calls and laboratories in the area, if they had any
animals, if they had any monkey, any escapes. I checked for any
zoo or carnivals or anything like that, and everything was was really clear.
But one break, one real big part was too. I talked to the
landowner any confront with the guy said, now, we didn't allow any pets
at all on the land. You know, we had a guy with a
parrot come in and we turned the parrot away because we didn't we didn't have
insurance rated for that. If somebody got bet by an animal, animal would
be on us. You know, our policies cover that. So that made
a lot of sense. And the other thing I know is Number one,
it's illegal in New York to own it, to possess a primate. You
have to be a license zoo keeper to do that. There's some states where
Florida, where you just need to get a permit, but now in New
York you Nope, it's verboting unless you're a license zoo keeper. Sorry,
it ain't gonna happen. You're not gonna be walking around with a you know
you can yet somebody like a a bitch of habitator or a rehabber that that'll
have one. You can do that, but there are licensed keepers. So
all of this stuff came up nothing. And then this is what was known
as the Pridging video aka the New York Baby video, and that's being shown.
So that was one where I thought, oh, this is going to
turn out to be a bunch of hooey, and wow, it really because
you know, when I talked to Doug, you know, he never saw
the big one in the background. You know, he only saw the one
in the tree. I was going to say, what's that big, dark
uniform color subject in the back that's walking from right to left, And then
after it jumps off and goes in a tree, it turns around and goes
back. Now somebody says, well maybe and maybe they just broke the lawn.
They brought their own monkey, And they're well, okay, and they
snuck a monkey in. So now we're breaking the law. We're sneaking one
into a place where you can't bring it. And of all the things,
if you have a monkey, are you just going to let it go up
in a tree at quarter to nine whatever time at dusk when it's starting to
get dark. You're just gonna let it up in a tree and hang out
there. You'll never get it back down. Yeah, right, So it
made no sense at all. Wow, So it was just one of one
of those one of those things. But and yeah, and research facilities don't
have large primates, agreed. But we didn't want to take any chances that
perhaps maybe this was a small primate too. You know, it's like you
got to check the you gotta go down the checklist regardless of you know,
even if it's far stretched that well, they may not have large primates.
They may have like capuchins or something, or a reciss monkey or something,
but nope, we got to go over and check that box. Make sure
that box is checked. And then I released the investigation. You know,
months later, it did the same thing with the Roun Treelcampo. Do I
get it? And it wasn't for five months that we didn't really until we
really released it to the general public. But that's how an investigation should work.
I work as a professional investigator. That's how we run any professional investigation.
Yeah, and that was called again the New York Baby New York Baby
video aka the Pridgeon video. There's pretty it's somewhere on my channel too.
You can find one of those on my channel as well. Okay, we're
on the website that Steve. It's okay, we're right here at an hour.
We're gonna go ahead and jump to these questions. We've got to say
four. All right, person, we're gonna ask Troy asks. Let me
pop it up here. What do you look for other than the usual tracks
Harris scat when investigating a siding. When I investigate sightings, I also look
at the history of the area, uh, the ecology of the area,
the uh you know, topo of the area, you know, satellite maps,
stuff like that, especially with getting history. Has there been an area,
you know, profesionally, what kind of sightings are in that area?
Are they? You know, aggressive sights of the roadside crossings? Are they
you know as somebody walking down a treel and see when it just turned around?
You know? Behavior? To me is Canta Mountain in any kind of
siding report. So that's I look at a lot of that. But hair
scat tracks any really obtuse, like any tracker would, You're gonna be looking
for tree breaks at the five foot nine to six foot level or something about
seven foot tall is going to be making its way through the brush, and
I have track one off a siding report for about seventy five feet down to
a roadway where I lost it. Wow. Okay, next one is from
slow motion. I think this is an excellent question. Do you think looking
for strangeness draws it to you? Now? I think not looking for strangers.
I am quite sure if he's talking about the creature itself or anything,
big foot, ghosts, anything, are going out looking for it. Do
you think that kind of draws weird stuff to you? No, that's all
I think. If you look, I mean, if you look for it,
you you know, if you look for it hard enough and they are
open minded and keep you and learn about your craft, you'll you'll find it.
Yeah, okay, good answer. Another one from Troy here, do
you believe it is possible that a cryptid of any type could and or does
reside in the l B L So I would say this a I'm not really
convention of the dog man, but and I know I take some heat for
that. I'm not into the dog man. So my expertise is strictly it
is strictly into the you know, to bigfoot sasquatch. Is it possible of
a crypt any type does or reside in the lb L. I don't know
about necessarily residing year on a year round basis. It could be a seasonal
basis. But very very interesting stats that came out last night and this morning
that we worked on. But you know, it's very interesting that in LBL
you also have a bear population, you have a bobcat population. They even
have forms if you see a feral hog on the property. So if you
can have bear and bobcat and deer and and obviously an occasional feral hog,
you know, and you know white and whine, not a big foot,
you know exactly. This whole topic has just been chapping my ass for a
while now. I think it's ridiculous to assume that something like that can't live
in an area like this, But everyone knows my opinion on it, so
well, I'll show well it was a very interesting stat and somebody mentioned about,
wow, let's get to the questions. I'll we'll get to that later.
This is from Facebook user I think it was doctor John barn talk.
When you were talking about the the eyes, the reflection or the eye seine,
would you say it was reflection or glowing. It would be indicative to
me of a topedo lesstum, so it would be a reflection. It'd be,
uh, basically the same. It would be like eyeshine you get out
of the toplesstum. Okay, I thought you sneezed. I didn't know that.
Well. Topeda lesstim is the mechanism in the back of certain animals eyes
that will give them eyes shine, like a cat or a deer or even
you know, an alligator, just to name a few raccoons. A lot
of your nocturnal animals have them. Robin per sede. I hope I'm pronouncing
that right. How hard is it debunking a is it getting more differ difficult
or can you see right away? I can see it right away. Lately
A lot of a lot of the ones have this orange kind of tint to
them, like they're trying to show an old time photo almost, so they're
kind of easy to spot. That was cartoonish too, a little bit.
Yeah, And you got to look for the other things like sometimes if you
look very closely, a hand may have six fingers where foot may have six
photoes. I know a lot of the AI sketches I do for my shows
every once in a while. Ago one's got six toes, but nobody really
notices that I do. Yeah, this one comes from Bristol, Steve,
are you just outside of Albany? My mother god Rest lived just outside Margaret
Margaretville. Margaret Margaretville, there was activity around her, even though they blamed
it on bears at the time. That's right. Uh, Margaretville is just
west of the Catskill in Delaware County. I do. I reside about thirty
five forty miles north of Albany. I live maybe about five miles east of
Saratoga, New York. I live at Walma Hudson River in Washington County,
which is also the home to Whitehall, New York, the big capital of
New York. I'm on the southern end of the county. Whitehalls on the
northern end of the county, but it still makes it only a thirty minute
drive for me, which is nice. But in the eighteen hundreds, the
late eighteen hundreds, there was a report out of Margaretville, New York,
where apparently a bigfoots had did something to a horse that was attached to a
carriage. And that's as much as I know about it. Off the top
of my head without really reviewing it. But that was in Delaware County,
New York, Markville, YEP. Now that's interesting. I don't know,
Steve, if you've heard me, I've talked about it on a few different
shows now and on it our shows that I think big Butt has a some
kind of fascination with horses. It could be you ask if you ask can
Clement, they have a fascination with cows. But that's a whole nother story.
Okay, all right, last question comes from Troy. You're going to
be at the Smokey Mountain Conference this year, Steve? Unfortunately, No.
I actually I've kind of laid back a little bit on the shows, and
sir, I think I'm only doing four. I'm doing the Rochester Paranormal Festival
in June. I have another one. I have the Pennsylvania the Pennsylvania Bigfoot
Camping Adventure that's gonna be in Faette County in Pennsylvania back in September. Oh,
how can I forget? In August, I'll be at the Hocking Hills
Bigfoot Festival in Logan, Ohio. Last year they had forty one thousand people
attend. It's mad, It's two days of bigfoot and madness. I mean
I actually saw a bigfoot on a Harley. No, why bigfoot on Harley.
Great time there. So if you're anybody out there by Logan, stop
by. It's a great time. It's a free event to walk around,
you know, and you only pay to go you know, you only pay
to go in and see the speakers. But it's a free event. Five
four blocks one way and then a block on either side, so you get
five blocks of vendors and bigfoot exhibits and food vendors and entertainment. It's just
a great, great time. And then finally I always wrap up with the
Sasquatch, the White Hall Sasquatch Calling Festival right here in Washington County, New
York. It's become a big event every year. Last year I think we
broke two thousand people at the event. And it's basically a ten to six
ten to six pm event, so you have two thousand people wander through this
white All Town Park. Is just an awesome thing. When is that every
year? Stee That is usually the last Saturday of September. I'd love to
go to that one year. Yeah, come on up at September. I
think I want to say twenty ninth this year. It's the last Saturday in
September this year. Yeah, I mean that's like the Bigfoot capital of the
Northeast, right right. And like I say, for folks that I know,
usually at the end of that we all go up to the research area
and do a little mini exhibition for the evening, and that's when we caught
the audio this year. So and Alex Petakov was with me, as everybody
knows Alex from Small Town Monsters. And then we had Mike Lucy from Karkkatscho
Appellation Research Collective. He was up there with us. Had a few of
my members from my channel there. I invited them, if you're coming up,
come on up with us, and uh, you know ed Jen and
finding a track Way. They're both from Ohio. They were up with us
and all in not to experience that that hoot call that was like, I
don't know where m hm. The last one we had starred was not a
question, but a big, big thank you to Ristol. He gifted five
uh memberships tonight, good job, Ris. Oh yeah, we didn't uh
we didn't do our toast, did we? Damn? I forgot. Oh
let's do our toast now then ben Jin two fingers up. Good stuff.
See tell everybody where they can find you, buddy, Well, my website
squatch Detective dot com. But if you go to squatchdtv dot com and goes
right to our YouTube channel Sports YouTube dot com forward Slash. At squatchd tv,
we run two shows a week. We're on let Me put News on
Friday nights nine pm Eastern and Sunday nights we do squats d TV Live for
two hours where we nine pm Eastern where we usually have a guest. This
week we have on doctor Jeff Meldrum. Oh really awesome, very gool.
That's tomorrow night, right, that's tomorrow night. Yep, very cool,
veryfying. All right, Steve Man, I can't thank you enough for taking
the time to come and hang out to not good stuff brother in anytime.
And uh, you know, for those who think that it's a shame,
I'm mainly known as being thought as a bunker because uh you know, I
really am ab a behavior guy. When it comes I take a lot of
primate behavior and look at that. But you'll see that on the channel,
you'll see that on the website. But I want to thank you guys for
having me on. It's my honor to be here. Thank yeah, it's
my pleasure, buddy, Thank you very very much. I hope you enjoy
the rest of your evening. Certainly will alight. They say, you don't
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