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Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song. Well. Welcome talking Point with Ray

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Angela discussing the hot topics and answering
your questions Saturday's five to seven pm on

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Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point. It's talking Point. It's talking Point,

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one. I don't know. I
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good evening, good evening, good
evening, and welcome to Talking Point.

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Yes, and that was a classic
from of an oldie but a goodie one

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Walter Hawkins. You're never alone,
and that's going to fit in beautifully with

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what we're gonna be talking about today. This week has been mental health Awareness

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Week, so we're coming to the
end of that. So we're going to

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be sort of look touching on a
couple of points and what the theme is

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about this week, this for this
week of anxiety. So as per usual,

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I hope you've all had a good
sabbath. It's been glorious weather today,

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it's been fantastic. So really just
look like spring is finally here.

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We've had a week of really good
weather well where I've been, so hopefully

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it's been the same for you as
well, and yeah, may it continue.

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So for those joining us for the
first time, welcome. My name's

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Angela. I'm in studio today and
I'm joined by some lovely guests today,

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but my usual co host, Pedro
is up there in Halifax. How are

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you doing, Petro? I'm doing
doing. How are you doing today?

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I'm not good morning afternoon talking point. Yes, and how are things things

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are? Well? Yeah, well, like you said, the sun is

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shining up here too, so I
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it is, but I don't know
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busy up here, is windy,
but the sun is out that time.

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Yeah, times has been a bit
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it's all good. The sun,
the sun shining, blue skies. Definitely

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good for your well being in mental
health. So I'm quite a fitting day

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for that. So, um,
what I'd be wanting to say, I

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don't like the sun, you know, like the sun? Really? Wow?

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Why is this Petro? Because like
growing up, even in New York,

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the heat, I don't actually like
it cold. Oh okay, yes,

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and that's all it is. It's
just that growing up of the heat

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all my life. Actually now at
the point where I just like and I

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find in the UK we don't handle
heat well. Yes, when it gets

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had, everything in the buildings,
the stores, the buses, everything is

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just hat so we don't handle heat
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I don't like it because there's a
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kind of heat. It's true.
Unfortunately, you know, we always what

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are the things that we do in
the UK, We talk about the weather

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a lot. It's always something about
the weather. It's either too hot,

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too cold, too wet, to
win the etcetera, etcetera. And considering

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the time of changeable whether we have
in the UK, You're right, we

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don't really know how to cope with
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up. You'd think we'd know by
now, but you know however, Yeah,

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and we're thankful for the good weather
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so may it continue. I'm not
complaining, no, just saying, okay,

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so how has your week been?
My week has been. There's always

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busy. U. It's really going
fast. I don't know, like it's

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like you you know, Monday comes, You've got to work, and the

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next you know, it's Friday morning. You're like, where did the week

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go? Yeah? The time go
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kind of misses with your mental health
in a sense because you just don't you

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try to struggle to see like what
did I do this week? Like what

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did I what did I accomplish?
What did I get done? Yea,

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it just seemed like stuff is moving
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of course a lot of driving,
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side to the others always UM.
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you know, pretty normal week week
for me. Yeah, okay, let's

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say it. You can, I'm
say And now the person that's missing today

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unfortunately rather co hosts Senna is unfortunately
not very well. But a shout out

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to Ennia Um. She's been battling
a bit of a cold or week.

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Um, so definitely pressed going up
for Zenya, wishing her a speedy recovery

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so that she can be back.
Hopefully she'll be back next week, and

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she should also be doing her praise
praise party. I'm not sure what she

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calls her show actually after Talking Point
next week. So Zenya, get well

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soon and yeah, we'll get your
peer back on the radio. She was

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tempted to come on, but she
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spluttering is probably not a good sound, So Sho's left that form for this

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one. Sou Yeah, I'm so
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me as well. Actually I've kind
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we're almost the end of May.
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then we are in June, and
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And I know, I feel like
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say this every week, but it
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said, how fast the time goes, And I think, what do I

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do? You know? You get
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I wake up really early, and
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think what did I get done this
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mine was kind of a usual day. For those who are regular listeners will

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know that I have to mention that
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meeting some of my students. We're
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I've had a lot of conversations with
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about their exams. And I've also
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coming to the end of their degrees, especially undergraduate degrees, and they it's

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very different year for them because the
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in lockdown. So it's been quite
a shift in terms of actually doing in

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personal exams, a different kind of
pressure. You know, they're coming to

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the end and it's almost like what
next. So yeah, so my prayers

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are you know, going out to
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moment. Definitely fits in with our
theme because as I said, we've been

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talking about anxiety this week. Yeah, so it's been it's been an interesting

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week. But yeah, again,
I've actually made it down to Ballam today

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church to do my kindergarten class,
which was fun. Haven't been there for

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a couple of weeks. So I
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so it was good to talking about
Daniel and the nines Day said again,

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oh no, I wasn't on a
praised team today. I literally went there

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for sabbath school and then I left
came back up to Redding for their Disability

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in Ministry program hand in hand shout
out to them as well. So yeah,

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and then here down to Watford and
it's quite nice, you know,

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listen to the tunes, the sun
breeze and everything. So yeah, so

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all in or not a bad week. So I hope those who are listening

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out there as well, you've had
a good week two and your Sabbath has

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been a blessed one. As I
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week because it's been mental health awareness
week, so if you have any thoughts

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on that, please do share them
with us, joining the conversation that we're

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having. You can text us on
eight trip or two eight you're right,

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Hope and leave a space and then
your message, or you can email us

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at studio at Adventist Radio dot London. Do send us your comments and thoughts.

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We've got lots to share obviously,
but we want to hear things from

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you as well. So if there's
anything that causes you anxiety, do let

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us know. And if there's anything
any tips that you can share with people

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on how to cope with that,
then do share that as well. But

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we're going to be talking about that
today. And as much as that's kind

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of part of my area, I
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I sometimes talking to people about their
well being, I wouldn't necessarily say the

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time an expert. However, we
have two experts on the show with us

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today who I'm sure come across anxiety
in many different forms and presented by different

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people. So I really want to
welcome my two guests with me today,

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so I am going to let them
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Dorothy and Valletta. So Dorothy,
let's start with you. I know you've

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been on the show before, so
welcome back. He can become one of

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our residents, practitioners, therapists,
experts. Yeah, I'm gonna give you

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all of those titles, so yes, so say hello to our listeners for

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me and tell us little bit about
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me back on the show. So
I'm a psychotherapist with over twenty five years

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experience, mainly in education, working
in universities, colleges and schools. I've

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set up counseling services also working with
those students there. I'm interested in engaging

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clients from different communities into counseling ones
that usually don't go to therapy. That's

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really what I'd like to do.
Currently, I'm full time in a private

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practice, which I'm really really enjoying
the flexibility. Cool. Thank you you

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and thank you for joining us.
So I do know, I don't know

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actually have works with you for a
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areas as well, so yeah,
I know you've got lots to share and

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lots of expertise in the area.
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over to our second guest for letter, Welcome to Talking Point. Thank you,

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thank you, and thank you for
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experiencing my own anxiety right now.
This is my debut on live radio,

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so I'm experiencing a little bit of
nerves. But I am a family and

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systemic psychotherapists and I have been working
in child and adolescent mental health services for

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a number of years. Previous to
that, I was a teacher and developed

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my interest in in psychotherapy and counseling
just through observing children and how they approached

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their education and how their anxieties and
how their difficulties impacted on their ability to

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learn. So I've always been focused
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Okay, cool, So again looking
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As I mentioned, this week is
mental Health Awareness Week. Now,

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Mental Awareness Week was organized by Mental
Health, the Mental Health Foundation. They've

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got a really good website, lots
of tips, lots of information on there.

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You can find them at mental health
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of the things when I was reading
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of these awareness weeks. Do you
think, and this is to everybody,

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do you think it's important that we
have these awareness weeks? And as I

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asked that question, I think to
myself, well, I know what the

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obvious answer would be. However,
why is it important to have these weeks?

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And there's lots of you know,
mental health based events and activities and

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days throughout the year, and this
is a week that's been dedicated to,

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I guess, raising awareness and there's
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people have done. Um, skydives
to raise money, or they've had kind

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of tea parties where people can get
together. So, and what are your

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thoughts on the idea of having these
awareness weeks? Is it important? Is

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it a key thing? Um?
Anyone? I think it's I think it's

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useful. I think it's a bit
like um, it's a bit like witnessing,

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isn't it. Then you can you
know, people can hear the same

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message over and over again, but
until it's a matter of time where it's

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really relevant to them, you know, they may as well have not heard

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it. So I think, um, I think these weeks are are useful.

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I think they also have accumulative effect, don't they Because we can see,

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you know, the one week might
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but as an accumulative effect over time, when more and more organizations get

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get involved, it's talked about in
the media on you know, in TV,

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and it just creates a wave that
we can see see happening and there's

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much more awareness all around. So
I think it's useful. Yeah, i'd

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agree with you the less h I
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the UK at once focusing on one
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Like you said, it's like going
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Adventists. Some of us here are
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one day a week. It doesn't
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we don't think about God, we
don't talk about God. We do all

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the time. And it's the same
for me with the mental health awareness.

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As long as we don't just think
about it for that one week of the

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year, when can do it constantly
with this other reminders. Yeah, and

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we've focused on it more than just
one week in a year. Yeah,

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say, it's about a week. Actually,

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I think in the US or North
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Mental Health Awareness Month. So again, you know, obviously it's again the

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same kind of thing. It is
about, you know, a starting point,

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a way to raise certain topics,
raise you know, we're raising awareness

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people as much as it's out there, people still don't necessarily know about things.

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So yeah, totally agree on that. I think it's really good also

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for um places like work organizations.
You know, I work for the for

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the NHS, and it's you know, it's targets, targets, targets target

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But I think when you have awareness
weeks, you know, um, it

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gives it gives organizations permission to allow
some downtime to say, look, we're

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gonna we're gonna take time to send
out these messages. We're gonna take time

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out to give a space to our
employees, you know. And so I

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think it allows some of that to
happen without feeling, you know, we

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have to put other more important things
aside. Yeah, it's definitely good time

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put Petre. You're going to say, no, I mean I could say

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something I was. I was actually
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honest, I didn't know that this
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program on the news. Why I
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was talking about earlier mc DOTHI was
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or actually witnessing, Like I didn't
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much. I didn't know that we
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said, like we need to get
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it is going on. So that
if they if they are suffering or if

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they're hurting or they're going through something, that they can get some you know,

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not that there's other people out there. I think sometimes people think that

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they're the only one's going through it, and that there's no other there's nobody

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else, especially children, there's nobody
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they're going through. And to put
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is awareness and that it is help. I think it's something that, like

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you said, we should really try
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I just like it said, not
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basis throughout the year. Yeah.
I guess these these kind of weeks or

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these activities are good starting points,
even if it's for a conversation. You

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know, we're talking about that today, and that's what we want to kind

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of encourage society communities to start having
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if you didn't necessarily know about it, but there's lots of people who possibly

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don't know as well. So we've
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to keep going with it. It's
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got to keep going. So I
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was an interesting one. Last year
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in very well with you know,
the pandemic and post pandemic and coming out

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of that, I think the notion
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people were, you know, we
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we normally do, and there were
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by themselves or they don't have strong
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thing. It's always been around,
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the rising terms of elderly people and
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it were, many people don't ever
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this year anxiety, so looking at
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focus on it really again is to
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people are struggling, you know,
we have the cost of living crisis,

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you know, post pandemic, going
the idea of going back to normal,

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what that normal is and we talk about

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the new normal, so you know, there's probably a lot of things people

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who are struggling. So it's an
interesting theme for this year. So for

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Vleesper and Dorothy seeing that as a
as a theme, did that surprise you

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on what's your thoughts on the fact
that it they're focusing on anxiety? It's

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quite a buzzword in some ways,
and as therapists, I'm sure you hear

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that all the time. And I
know there is a lot that's spoken about.

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I mean, I know I speak
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crops up in most of my meetings
with people. But you know, tell

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us a little bit about what you
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being their theme for this year.
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me at all. Wouldn't surprise me
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things when you work for when you
work for UM cams, you see trends,

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you see trends, and you know, as you mentioned, what we

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used to see was UM seasonal seasonal
rise in anxiety. So when the exam

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times were clambing up, you get
a lot of you get a lot of

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anxiety coming through. And now what
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we're getting cam getting at cams throughout, certainly in the area where I work,

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is is anxiety a majority of anxiety
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shift. So it doesn't surprise me
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with the link to the link to
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then there's no surprise there, not
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I would agree as well as so
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of the children who are doing exams
and having to manage their stress as well.

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the heat team fields and things like
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year, anxiety is a big thing. And you know, we blame everything

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on COVID and why not and we're
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as much? And that period caused
a lot of anxiety people. Okay,

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all right, So we're talking about
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ahead slightly. So for anybody who
doesn't know what anxiety is. And again,

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I'm sure we've all heard the word
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anxiety? And yeah, what is
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and there's anxiety disorders. So are
they two different things? What are they

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so from? Yeah, from the
practitioner's perspective or the expects perspective. What

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is anxiety? One of one of
the best descriptions that i've i've I've come

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across was because, as you said, there is anxiety and there's anxiety's disorder.

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Every everybody experiences anxiety. But it's
like holding a couple of water, you

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know, and trying not to spill
it. But when you're you're holding it

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out on when you're and is shaking
and the water is spilling, but you

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still can't put the glass down.
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description of anxiety, because you're so
worried that you know, you're so worried

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about what you're trying to do,
that you can't let it go, you

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know. And I think that is
a description of anxiety to try and you

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know, and again that's a shift
that we're seeing to try and and and

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give here now a description of what
anxiety is. It comes in so many

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forms, so many forms that it's
almost Um it's something that you experience that

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is a driver for so many actions
and behaviors, right, you know that

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when you explore behind it, then
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more straightforward in its presentation, and
I find that it's changing the lots more,

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a lot of diverse presentations that can
be put down to anxiety when you

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explore them. We tend to worry
about so many different things. If it's

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not your job, or your health, household chores, so many different things

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seem to cause us anxiety. Yeah. Yeah, So if somebody that's gonna

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say, if somebody is feeling anxious
or they're presenting with anxiety, what would

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be some of the symptoms or the
signs that you might see or somebody might

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experience. Um well, I think
typically what you would see is a change

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in their ability to manage their normal
daily tasks. You know, they're finding

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they're finding it a lot harder to
cope. Um. They you know,

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they use usual coping mechanisms are not
are not working. They're overwhelmed. Yeah,

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they may not be. They may
not feel able because a young person.

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say, for example, females tend

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to be more inward, they may
withdraw males. Young males may tend to

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be more angry, more snappy.
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of things, but there is a
change in the ability to manage regular and

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new challenges right now. What we're
seeing. What we're seeing a lot with

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young people with social anxiety. Yeah, so you know there's spaces that they

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occupy, they find those very challenging
making friendships, keeping friendships. You know,

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they can start to struggle with that. So it's it's a broad spread

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spectrum of what you might see when
you see people struggling with anxiety. Yeah,

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that social anxiety is definitely something I
hear a lot as well, especially

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for many students, you know,
the lockdown experience being a student. They

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started university in a time where you
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they'll be making friends, what have
you. And many of them might

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from thads that I've spoken to,
have kind of really struggled with that because

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they weren't in those kind of circles. Obviously, everybody's working remotely. I

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know, many people shifted very quickly
for sort of in person to remote working,

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working from home and that kind of
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you know, employees all over the
across the country, in the world,

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and then kind of, you know, you're just not making those connections and

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having to kind of make the effort
to do things that you know, we've

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Technology is an amazing thing and it
enabled us to still connect, but that

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wasn't easy for everybody. You know, suddenly you're on to you know,

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you're sitting in front of a screen
and you're joining a call and everybody can

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see. It's even the concept to
point your camera on that kind of thing.

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People found that really found that really
difficult to kind of get their head

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around and do. So, yeah, interesting because that was what we saw.

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What we saw in the children's services
was lockdown was a savior for some

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children, Yes, you know,
because they could stay in the safety of

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their room, they could do education
online, and they were saved from the

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you know, day to day interactions
that you know made them so nervous.

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For other children, you know,
the isolation brought on new anxieties. Yeah,

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because they their safety was in in
their group of friends and the routine

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of school, getting away from home, et cetera. So it worked both

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ways. Yeah, which is Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. It's

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good enough. Yeah, yeah,
I think a job I was of I

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was just thinking of my of my
I always talk about my children. I

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was thinking of my children and what
um but Vanita just said, I think,

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like my one of my children,
one of my child she struggles too,

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Like she gets friends and then they
turn on her, and she struggles

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in that sense of, um,
you know, trying to want to have

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friends, but you know, doesn't
trust, you know, doesn't try.

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They always like backstab or they do
things to us. She's like, I'm

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trying to be your friend, but
dude pushing me away. And then I

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just thought about my son. He
had when he first started it, Um

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not un you're not UNI, but
what's the next one? Though it's primary

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and then the secondary secondary? Right, it was very hard for him.

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It was difficult and he had to, um get used. He was trying

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to get used to the school.
And then it was a weird thing when

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the pandemic kit he started playing with
some of them on like PlayStation, and

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he seemed to develop a relationship with
them. When they went back to school,

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he had, he was more confident
because for some reason, now he's

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like, I know them, even
though it was online, he got to

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know them and got to get comfortable
with them. That when he got to

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school, now he's like he's he
like flipped the switch and he became more

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more comfortable, where in the first
part he wasn't so on. It just

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clicked him my head when he was
saying that that that it just happened like

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in my own house, I'm like, Wow, that's just how it happens.

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It's a weird thing because it could
go both ways. Yeah, yeah,

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so they do. I think we're
gonna say no. I was going

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to say. Also with young adults
returning to work and going into the office,

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the anxiety of that and they're only
returning to work for two to three

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days, and that brings up so
much anxiety. And what's common is that

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they think that others can see their
anxiety, and that's what they think.

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Everyone's going to see that I'm anxious, and that brings them anxiety. Getting

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on the tube and just being in
brant of people in this big group brings

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on anxiety. Yeah, as you
mentioned that, you know, I recognize

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I know I was out of London
a lot of the time during lockdown and

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even now not still outside London in
a much sort of quieter area, and

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actually the reality of I realized I
hate going on the Tube during Russia Hour,

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I know, and I can feel
my chest titan and a few times

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that I come into London now I'm
like, I tried to start a little

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bit later because I'm just like,
I can't be dealing with the matter people,

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the crowd. It was really stressful
and I found myself, as you

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mentioned, a lesser, getting quite
angry about things as well. You know,

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I guess people are rushing, they've
got places to go, and it's

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just the hustle and bustle, and
I'm like I could feel I could feel

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that, you know, and almost
kind of at times near panic attacks,

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you know, sort of thinking,
actually a two pole are too close to

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me, or you know, people
are shoving and pushing and you know,

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and even to day, I was
on the tubesday and a lady fell and

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it was almost like, oh,
my goodness, that must be so frightening

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because there's so many people around,
and I just thought, yeah, so

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I can definitely attest to that there's
a close link between stress and anxiety,

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isn't it? Because you've you sound
like you're describing stressed it you know,

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but if if you experience that,
you know, you're a healthy woman with

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a busy work life, and you
experienced that on a day to day basis,

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But then other things get added into
your life and keep having that stress,

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and more things get added, you
find that you start moving into anxiety

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because I have no capacity left and
I have to keep doing this. I

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have to keep paying the bills,
I have to keep hold of my job,

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I have to support my children.
That quickly becomes overwhelm and anxiety.

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There is there then a point where
because you sort of mentioned obviously there's a

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level of anxiety that we'll all experience, and I guess there's part of that

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that my I mean, is it
helpful at times to help you cope with

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certain things or and is then there
are a point way to think. Actually,

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you mentioned about you know, you
study don't have the capacity or the

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capability to manage on a day to
day. At what point then does that

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become you know, is it a
time frame, is it a certain certain

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things or certain things behaviors or things
that are presenting that would make a difference.

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So at what point would I or
should be will become worried? You

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know, if I if I was
thinking, Okay, this is happening all

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the time at one point, so
I think I don't know what enough is

409
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.760
enough? I really shouldn't it shouldn't
be like this. Yeah, I think.

410
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:17.679
Um, I think every individual is
every individual, it's different. And

411
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:24.960
I think one thing that's useful about
these awareness weeks, it's about self awareness,

412
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.880
you know, getting to know yourself, getting to understand to your your

413
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.960
you know, obviously my my focus
is young people getting to know your children,

414
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how they function when they're normal,
when they're settled, and to to

415
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.639
understand when changes happen. You know, you can have two children in their

416
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.559
home and they can shift in completely
opposite directions. You know, but it's

417
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.639
both is suffering from anxiety, right, you know. So I think it's

418
00:37:52.639 --> 00:38:00.639
about knowing yourself, knowing when things
start to change and actually you're not coping

419
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.280
anymore. So maybe you have a
job, you have a job to do,

420
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.840
and suddenly you find that you're not
managing, you're not coping. Maybe

421
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.400
you're not as efficient as you used
to be. For no apparent reason.

422
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.920
It could be a number of different
things, but it's about your ability to

423
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:23.440
manage your life as it presents,
you know, and understanding the difference between

424
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:31.280
just stress and too much to do. And actually, I'm not coping emotionally

425
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:43.360
psychologically with this, and the coping
is the everyday stuff. So it's it's

426
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.239
the basic things. If you can't
get out of your bed, if you

427
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:52.559
can't get dressed, if you can't
do your work, stuff like that,

428
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.079
it's every day where you're unable to
do that because some anxiety or we can

429
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:02.320
say stress allows you to do things
right. When you're unable to get on

430
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.400
with your day to day stuff,
then I would say seek help in different

431
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:14.559
forms. Okay, all right,
well I'm gonna hold that thought. I'm

432
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.639
going to play a piece of music
now. Now I'll see they used to

433
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:23.960
share some songs with us that I
guess hopefully we'll be inspiring and maybe,

434
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.760
you know, we're going to talk
about some things that can help manage our

435
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.320
anxiety. So we're going to play
a track by Lauren Dagle. You say,

436
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.679
now, I know this is one
of the letter's choices. Tell me

437
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.039
about this song and why you like
this and why you chose this one.

438
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:45.639
Well, I'll tell you how I've
discovered this song. Um. I have

439
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:50.719
a teenage daughter and she is an
only child, and we love road trips.

440
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:58.639
And since my daughter has been about
seven, she's been the djh while

441
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:05.119
we're driving any where, you know, and she um, I'm sure she

442
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.239
won't she won't be listening, she
won't doesn't know I'm here. So I

443
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:12.880
think I can say that she suffers
a little from anxiety, but it doesn't

444
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.480
always show. She's very, very
good at masking, and that's one of

445
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:23.599
the things that young people do really
well with a mask, and she's what

446
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.360
she often does is in those car
times, she'll say, Mom, do

447
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.320
you like this song? Right?
And she played this song for me and

448
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.880
it was very moving for me because
I felt that it was a way of

449
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:40.519
her expressing something that she needed,
right, you know. And she played

450
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.360
this song night and I fell in
love with it ever since. Okay,

451
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.840
I love that, So let me
just key that up. So this is

452
00:40:49.880 --> 00:41:10.920
going to be you say by Lauren
Dagle. I keep fighting voices in my

453
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:24.800
mind that say I'm not enough,
every single light that tells me I will

454
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:38.639
never imagine a love am my more
than justice. Some of every high and

455
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:52.039
then every low remind me wants again
just who I am? Because I need

456
00:41:52.559 --> 00:42:05.800
to know. Oh you say I
am when I can't feel me. You

457
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:15.920
say I'm shue when I think I'm
we can, you say I'm when I'm

458
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:24.679
fulished? And when I don't beloved? Who are you saying? Your and

459
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:40.079
I be? What you say of
me? I believe the only thing that

460
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:53.119
matter is now is everything you think
of me? And you I find my

461
00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:07.480
worst any you who I find my
eye? You see when I can't feel

462
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:20.880
think, you say when I think
I'm we and you say when I am

463
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:37.000
fush when I don't belive, you
saying you and I believe, But you

464
00:43:37.360 --> 00:44:00.960
saying to me believe taking all I
heaven Now I'm lady and your feend you

465
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:15.480
have a failure, God you have
believing to me? Oh you say when

466
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:24.280
I can't feel me? You say
s when I think I we, You

467
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:38.440
say when I am fish when I
don't belong You say and I be,

468
00:44:44.679 --> 00:45:23.679
But you say me I what you
saying? Wow, that is an amazing

469
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.880
song. I have to say I
haven't heard that in a little while,

470
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.039
but that is definitely going on my
playlist. That's a beautiful, beautiful song,

471
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.039
and it kind of some of the
lyrics really reminded me. Actually,

472
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.239
just I was thinking I was sort
of got to find some texts around this,

473
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.519
but this really reminded me. Just
brought to mind Isaiah forty one,

474
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.639
verse ten, where it says fear
not for I'm with you, being not

475
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.639
dismayed, for I'm your God.
I will strengthen you. Yes, i

476
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.360
will help you. I will uphold
you with my righteous right hand. It

477
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.880
really makes me think of you know, the idea of being held by somebody's

478
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:59.320
being held by somebody that's you know, a hug, somebody holding your hand.

479
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.480
It can in any bring comfort and
the fact that the fact that God

480
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.440
is promising to do that for us. So yeah, I love that.

481
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.079
So I will be adding that to
my playlist. That's a fantastic choice for

482
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.920
that one. So if you are
just joining us, thank you. This

483
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:20.239
is talking point and today we're talking
about mental health aware this week and anxiety

484
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.840
this week's thebe If you have any
points to add to that, please do

485
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.719
share them with us. If you
want to let us know anything that brings

486
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.599
you anxiety, we'd love to hear
that or any tips or points that you

487
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.920
do. Things that you do that
can help you. You can text us

488
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.840
on eight triple two eight right hope
and then your message we can email us

489
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:46.960
at studio at Advantage Radio dot London. And we have got v Letter and

490
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.159
Dorothy our therapist on the show today, and we've also been joined by another

491
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:58.119
guest as well. We've got Anthea
Davis. Thank you so much for joining

492
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.880
us today. Really good to have
you back on again. The last time

493
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.280
it was oh but that's true.
Yeah, my bad, believe that's right.

494
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.119
That's true. That's true. I
think that's how we were on.

495
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:16.880
It was Black History Month. Yes, um, so welcome, thank you

496
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:22.000
for joining us again. Um So, just to recap, we've been talking

497
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.480
about, like I said, mental
Health Awareness Week and importance of having these

498
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.599
awareness weeks, and you know why
it's really important to have these to kind

499
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:35.320
of start the conversation, to remind
people bring to the forefront particular themes or

500
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:39.800
topics or areas. And this year's
theme has been anxiety, which I fact

501
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:45.760
was kind of an interesting one,
something that we probably all experience to you

502
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.320
know, maybe a mild level and
some level anxiety sometimes can help us get

503
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.239
things done. However, I guess
when it's not going so well, and

504
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.320
we were just sort of talking about
you know, at what point does it

505
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.000
all become too much? At what
point do you think, actually, this

506
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.159
is too much. I need to
get some help with that, and Blessed

507
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.559
was just sharing you know what that
kild you like? So do you have

508
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.679
any thoughts on that anthea at all? I do, I do, Angela,

509
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:14.079
And I actually really like the Bible
text that you just you just mentioned

510
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.039
because I think as a Christian we
have extra resources that other people don't have

511
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.360
to deal with their resources. And
in the poem that if you don't mind

512
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.239
I share with you in a few
minutes, I will, you know.

513
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.760
I think it's an excellent segue between
a text and the poem that I have

514
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.559
that I've written about it. And
as somebody who had to diagnose general anxiety

515
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:37.159
disorder, anything can triggering my anxiety. I mean, it's under control at

516
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.280
the moment, but there have been
times in my life when anxiety has been

517
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.679
really, really sky high and has
been actually debilitating in a way that perhaps

518
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:52.679
most people have not experienced, because
you know, if it becomes it hasn't

519
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:58.239
happened very often, but it has
happened to me and I you know,

520
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.239
one of the things I wanted to
talk about is in Hostes syndrome, right,

521
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.280
you know, in the worksphere that
you know, you're trying to do

522
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.480
different things you your you know,
it might be a new job, a

523
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.880
new situation, a new project that
you've got to that you want to attempt,

524
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:16.199
but your anxiety can really play havoc
with you and stop you from achieving

525
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.039
or for attempting new things because you're
so scared about wanting to you know,

526
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:23.880
about how how are you going to
do it? And being creative. I

527
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:29.119
think that works against me because I
have a whole scenario where I'm escorted off

528
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.480
by the police or you know,
or for many different things. You know,

529
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.000
that's probably a bit of an exaggeration, but you see what I mean.

530
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.679
I've I've made up a whole chain
of events or things that are going

531
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.360
to happen because people are thinking this
of me and they're thinking that of me,

532
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.639
and you have to really just take
a step back and have to calm

533
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.400
down. That's not being able to
put the glass down that we were mentioning

534
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.039
before. You know, you just
got these thoughts are raised them and you

535
00:49:54.119 --> 00:50:00.239
can't put it down. Yes,
yes, exactly, and yeah, yeah,

536
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.320
thank you for thank you for sharing
that with us. So for you,

537
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.760
how did how did anxiety present itself
for you initially? And at what

538
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.599
point did you think okay, because
obviously you said you've had you've got a

539
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.159
diagnosis of anxiety disorder. How did
that kind of start for you? Was

540
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.440
there any the particular trigger if you're
you know, if you're able to share

541
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.960
that I started having anxiety taxes.
I had I start having anxiety taxes.

542
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:30.719
So that would be shortness of breath, not being able to breathe to the

543
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.480
point where it can you know,
it was hard to think and so long

544
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.079
as it happened was over a couple
of days, so it would really you

545
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.960
know, it could quite escalate,
and over the university I remember, yeah,

546
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.840
it was two or three days that
I had an anxiety. I had

547
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.840
to come back home from university,
and the anxiety was just building and building

548
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:57.960
and building. And I think learning
to be able to write down my thoughts,

549
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.719
actually write them down and say,
well, how much of what you're

550
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:07.000
thinking is actually relevant to real life? And and and Stephen Beck and saying

551
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.800
actually a lot of this is really
unreasonable and not true. And I am

552
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.679
enough. I am enough, and
God is good and he is here with

553
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:22.079
me. Um. You know that
has really helped me to support me um,

554
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.840
you know, and in developing.
But if you want to know that

555
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.480
the actual truth for it, I
think being abused, you know, when

556
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.559
I was younger that you know,
set off my anxiety and it only triggered

557
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:37.280
when I was eighteen, right,
but you know that that well, when

558
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.039
I was eighteen, that, yeah, that's when it actually came to the

559
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.760
forefront. And I know that there
are many of your listeners who might be

560
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.440
able to relate because those kind of
experienced this. And I thank God for

561
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.360
therapy, I thank God for family
and everything's you know, under control now.

562
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.199
But it has presented itself at different
times in my life. Okay,

563
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.760
thank you. I appreciate you sharing
that with us. And yes, you

564
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.599
know, it's a it's a difficult
it's a difficult one and as you said,

565
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:04.039
there could be things that could as
you mentioned that, everything that could

566
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:08.719
trigger it and bring it back.
So Dorothy to your to yourself for you

567
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.960
have you kind of you know,
in terms of the people that come your

568
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.360
way, is that kind of a
similar story that you may have heard from

569
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:21.719
people. What kind of things have
triggered any of your clients that come to

570
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:28.239
see you or people that you've come
across. Yeah, similar things. Yeah,

571
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:35.679
definitely, it's I think it was
mentioned before. It could be nearly

572
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.320
anything. It could be something they've
watched on Telly. So you say to

573
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:44.679
people, be careful what you expose
yourself to, what conversations do you have,

574
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:51.840
what you listen to on the radio, on television. You know how

575
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:59.679
much time you spend on your own. This can bring up so many different

576
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:05.679
fee feelings, and anxiety is one
um but yes, it's usual. Anxiety

577
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:12.280
usually stands from not being from a
child, not being taught to deal with

578
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:20.840
your changes. Maybe it might be
just changes in life in your circumstances.

579
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.960
So there's this thing about sometimes we
want to do everything for our children,

580
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.079
and maybe it's best for them not
to do it. So when they don't

581
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:34.159
get it right or it doesn't go
as expected, we can teach them.

582
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:42.159
We can help them if they've been
through difficult situations, whether it's an informal

583
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:46.920
trauma, it's helping them to support
them through it. Otherwise, what happens

584
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:51.920
as a child when they gets to
an adult, it will come out in

585
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:58.280
different ways. And has there been
I guess, you know, with everything

586
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.280
that's been happening in society, do
you think and you've talked about the prevalence

587
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:07.119
of anxiety, has it I mean, has that always been the case or

588
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.840
is it really kind of on the
rise like it appears it appears to be.

589
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:15.559
Statistics may say that, you know, warning how many people suffer from

590
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.800
that? But has that just been
the case or is this really a case

591
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.079
of you know, because of awareness
raising activities and events and weeks that we're

592
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:30.039
just hearing more about it. Have
people been anxiety? I think it's always

593
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:31.639
been there. If I go back
to reliable to charge, just that's what

594
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.239
this is where labels can be good
because I don't always think that labels can

595
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.480
be good. You know, I
would be that's what's what's the matter.

596
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:44.880
And if you couldn't explain yourself,
if you didn't have the language, don't

597
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:50.440
just say you're being silly. Now
there's been studied and people have put labels,

598
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:55.159
Oh that's anxiety. You used to
have children that wet their beds and

599
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:59.480
they used to just say your lazy, you're silly. Something you watched or

600
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.159
you drank too much water and it
could have been anxiety because they were frightening

601
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.519
to get out of the bed or
whatever reason. So, but nobody knew

602
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.920
it as anxiety. So has it
been around? I feel it's been around,

603
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.800
but we didn't There wasn't a label. We didn't know how to say.

604
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.800
And we're coming from, remember we're
coming from. It depends on where

605
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:25.119
you're brought up. Different cultures,
so when you travel and you go abroad

606
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.800
and things just that traveling and you're
living in a different society or shared the

607
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:36.599
occupances, and if you were brought
up in maybe a country where you lived

608
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.639
with the doors open, and then
you come to a country where it's cold

609
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:43.280
and you have to lock yourself up
and you don't know what's happening, and

610
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:46.079
your parents don't know, and you
don't know how to explain it to others.

611
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:53.800
But it's been there right now,
what we're finding is that with these

612
00:55:53.960 --> 00:56:00.480
awareness weeks and days and things like
that, Yes, people have found the

613
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:07.599
language and we're talking about it more. Yeah. I think, Um,

614
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:14.519
what's contributing to the rise as well
is because you've seen anxiety as a comobility.

615
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:21.039
When well comobility, I'm speaking like
about work when you see anxiety walking

616
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.840
hand in hand with something else.
So often we refer to anxiety and depression

617
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.239
or anxiety in the context of ASD
and what we're seeing. There's a lot

618
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.559
more autism coming through the system now, a lot more children are being diagnosed

619
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:44.320
with with anxiety. And you know, we're living in a fast pace society,

620
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.079
and you know, if you've got
the autism, you know, you

621
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:52.480
liked to to know routine, you
like to know when things are happening,

622
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:57.320
and society is just so fast moving, even for children. They've got such

623
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.079
busy lives, you know, with
activity easton school and homework, and it

624
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:07.639
becomes very difficult, and so anxiety
becomes very much more of a presenting feature

625
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:14.719
of conditions like autism, ADHD,
etc. Because life is so difficult to

626
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:16.480
manage. And also they're under a
lot of pressure. I was talking to

627
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:22.599
a colleague of mine whose child is
about to take those SAT exams, and

628
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:23.960
there's been I think it's been quite
a lot about that in the media at

629
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:29.440
the moment about I guess how much
pressure they're under and children being in tears

630
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:31.599
at sort of six seven. One
of the ages that you have to take

631
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.960
them you know, because of the
pressure of that. And I was just

632
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.480
like that, it's just it's almost
unbelievable because why would you want to put

633
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:43.199
children under that level of pressure.
And I know you kind of want to

634
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.719
set children up to kind of be
successful and to succeed, but that surely

635
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:51.559
can't be the way, you know, And you know, I guess different

636
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:52.480
schools are different. I mean they
were sort of saying, you know,

637
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.599
in their school they have to do, you know, all these things that

638
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.119
a load of stuffer the parents to
do, which my colleague was finding very

639
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.599
frustrating, but even something like reading
out the results in front of everybody.

640
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.400
It was just like that was just
traumatic for some of these children. And

641
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.719
I was like, why would you
do that, especially if you're then on

642
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:14.480
the flip side not giving them the
tools to be able to equip Um,

643
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:19.679
I think you're mentioning that as well, and the resources. Um. So

644
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.519
yeah, I find that. So
I guess it's you know, it's interesting

645
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.639
to he say it a letter about
you know, the level the levels of

646
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:30.480
sorry, the ages, and I
guess, is it getting younger for the

647
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.760
diagnosises and it's linked with other things
as well, whether that you know,

648
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:37.719
being that's only increase as well.
Um, you know, I think we've

649
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.639
you know, I've mentioned a lot
about you know, Pedro's mentioned his children

650
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.119
and you know, dealing with them. But I think, you know,

651
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:53.239
for me as a parent, I've
never been as anxious scene because I think

652
00:58:53.280 --> 00:59:00.199
when you have that responsibility of young
lives, you know, you you you

653
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:04.320
kind of want to drive them to
do as much as you can because you're

654
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.480
so anxious for their outcome to be
the best it can be, because you

655
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:12.559
know that the life ahead is going
to be challenging, and so you want

656
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:14.639
them to do this. Do you
want them to be involved in that,

657
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.239
you want them to have the friends, you want them to do well at

658
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:21.960
school, and so you know,
through our own anxieties, we put a

659
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.920
lot on our kids because we want
the best for them. Yeah, if

660
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:29.719
you got to add, yeah,
I was just going to add. Added

661
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.880
to all that, you also have
social media, and you know I did.

662
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.119
We didn't have to grow up with
the amount of social media that the

663
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:39.079
young people are having to deal with
nowadays, of having to present themselves online

664
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:45.559
and in person and you know,
the conscout department of images of what they

665
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:49.840
should be like. Yeah, it's
filtered images of what they should be like

666
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.719
in the standards thereof You know,
I used to have to pick up a

667
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.760
magazine. Now it's twenty four seven. You're getting notifications to your phone all

668
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.039
the time, and I think that
comes with a lot of pressure. And

669
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:06.840
you know, I work with different
schools, and there is no doubt that,

670
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.639
you know, there is an increase. You know, I was a

671
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.679
teacher for ten years, but that
was a while ago, and I can

672
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.800
see that there is this seems no
doubt to be an increase in the amount

673
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:25.320
of mental health issues that the young
people are facing in schools nowadays. Yeah.

674
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.400
And do you think and with you
you and less I think you mentioned

675
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.880
about you taught as well, and
there for you're in education. Do you

676
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:39.400
think the systems are equipping children,
young people and even maybe in the workplaces

677
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:44.360
as well as adults to actually be
able to manage some of these things based

678
01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:49.400
on the amount of pressure that people
are under. Yeah, definitely. And

679
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.559
working in education, even as a
therapist, work in education, there's anxiety

680
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:58.239
because what if I did it wrong, What if I don't what if I

681
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.920
don't spot something? If I send
this child home and they're being you know,

682
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.480
there's so much and I think that's
somebody. I think somebody mentioned it

683
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.760
earlier. One thing about having faith
is is the scriptures that we have,

684
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.440
and that's all I have to draw
on. Yeah. One of my favorite

685
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:21.719
ones is in Pewter. I think
it's first Pewter five six. Cast all

686
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:25.440
your anxieties on godars. For me, that's something that I just have to

687
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.199
claim a lot of the time because
we can just do what we can do.

688
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.800
Yeah, and let it go.
So and I you know, drawing

689
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:40.840
on my faith gets me through the
amount of anxiety that comes my direction all

690
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:46.679
the time. Yeah, yeah,
Okay, say we're gonna come to another

691
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.760
piece of music. I think,
Dorothy, this is one of your choices.

692
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:58.840
Chances by Isa Carey that ring a
bell to you. Yeah, I

693
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:00.519
mean you just say the time.
I don't know that, I don't remember

694
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:05.280
I mentioned it. But again,
it is about take that I just spoke

695
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.800
about. As a professional, as
a moth bar we have to take chances

696
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:15.199
sometimes we take we have to you
do things' it's to your intention, yes,

697
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.400
And you know, if you put
everything in God's hand, you take

698
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.400
the chance. You have faith.
It's the faith walk, isn't it.

699
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.559
Yeah? Okay, so I'm gonna
take listen to this Isaac career and chances

700
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:40.239
I do do things that won't bring
me closer to no reason excuse for most

701
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:51.239
of them. So why do we
respond you for my part in bushing you

702
01:02:51.719 --> 01:03:02.760
away when the deserve to be left
alone you stay? Couldn't hell, but

703
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:15.199
notice something that just keeps hamer doesn't
make much sense to me, but he

704
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:28.840
does it again and again. Lord, I promise this is really the last

705
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:37.599
time said he's one sorry for night. Brain It must have slim mind mind

706
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:45.960
I never wanted. If you give
me this one, I'll never do it

707
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:55.119
again. When will I learn my
last? What will life be if I

708
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:03.480
ring not of chances, my clause, that soul full love? Things I

709
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:12.840
don't want you to see. If
you knew all love about me, you'd

710
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:23.559
questioned my being. I know I
haven't made for each of the mistakes I

711
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:32.039
made, so thank you for keeping
seeing little Lord. Let me just say

712
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:43.760
could now, but notice something that
just keeps happen name. It doesn't make

713
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:55.360
my sense to me, But he
does it again again. Lord, I

714
01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:08.599
promise this is me me the last
time said sorry for night. It must

715
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:17.000
have said my mind even get me
out of pace one. I'm never do

716
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:28.480
me again. When one my listener, what will life be if I ran

717
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:36.559
out of chancing? Comer spouse me. That's the only way that I'll be

718
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:45.559
free. Baby my come my bone. Even if it sounded I don't want

719
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:58.400
to see. I don't want sime
your dee no said it a falls in

720
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:11.159
time, and I really want to
get it. Lord, I'm from ostness.

721
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:19.079
Is when the last time we all
say these word sorr read for not

722
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:28.679
dree, I must have slew my
mind. I never wanted even get me

723
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:36.239
all of this one. I'll never
do it again. When will I learn

724
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:47.559
my lesson? Where will life be
for ran out of chances? Oh?

725
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.400
Another beautiful song there as well.
Um, I wants really good lyrics and

726
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.800
that's a good choice on that one. And as everything you said, it's

727
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:57.159
about taking chances. But in this
song it really made me. You know,

728
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:00.239
some of the lyrics are saying and
sometimes we forget that God is there

729
01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:03.199
with us, and sometimes you don't
pray enough. And as you said about

730
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:08.840
holding onto your faith and you know, remembering all the promises. There's so

731
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.679
many scriptures. I know I had
a whole list here with me. You

732
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.239
know, sometimes we forget that is, despite the way life is treating us

733
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.239
as it would seem. You know, there's so much that we can hold

734
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:26.360
onto because God has got us there. So as we're talking about lyrics,

735
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.199
yeah, it's like, oh,
these are all going on my playlist.

736
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:31.119
I have a long Spotify playlist,
so I should be looking up this one.

737
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:36.239
Anthea, you mentioned about your creativity
and how that's been something to help

738
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:41.480
you manage your own anxiety. And
you have something to share with us,

739
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.480
which I'm really looking forward to.
So over to you tell me about what

740
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.280
you're going to share with us today. Yes, the poem that I wrote

741
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:54.719
is called I Am He, and
I wrote it quite a few years back,

742
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:58.239
in twenty ten. And you know, I think one of the ways

743
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:00.800
that I got into the poetry in
the first place was using it as an

744
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:05.199
outlet for my emotions. And I
remember that this situation that I wrote it

745
01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:12.880
about, I was feeling high levels
of anxiety, and I remember I prayed

746
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:16.439
and then I wrote this poem out
of that experience of talking to God and

747
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:20.840
praying in the rain, and it's
called I Am He. I was walking

748
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:27.920
on a winter's day and the rain
came down like sheets of tangible despair flash

749
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.960
splashing over my beleagued soul. Oh
Lord, I whispered, knowing that no

750
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:38.039
one else could help, and he
replied, I am he. Not familiar

751
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.439
with the reply, I stayed silent, not knowing what to say. Next,

752
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.880
he said again, I am he. For when God says I am

753
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:50.880
he, he means I am he
who parted the water and made my children

754
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:56.600
walk on dry land. I am
he who can stop time and space simply

755
01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.640
because I made it. I am
he who needs nothing, made everything,

756
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:05.640
and love so much it defies me. I am he who made you and

757
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:11.239
knew you before you were born.
I am he that loves you with an

758
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:15.279
everlasting love which goes beyond your comprehension. When you go through the fire,

759
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:20.680
I am he. When the way
forward seems unsure and there's no way back,

760
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:26.760
I am he. The fires cannot
destroy you, the floods cannot overwhelm

761
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:30.680
you. Neither can death conquer you. For I am he. I am

762
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.920
he who has the only legitimate claim
to be worshiped, Because I am he

763
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:38.600
who died, retrieved the keys to
death, paid the price for sin,

764
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:43.159
and it's coming back with leaders of
angels to take all those who love me

765
01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:48.399
back to mansions of such beauty that
language only limits the understanding of. Do

766
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:55.279
not question my wisdom, doubts my
understanding, gets frustrated over my timing,

767
01:09:55.479 --> 01:10:00.439
and limit my power to answer your
earnest PLEA. For and and had been

768
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:05.399
and shall forever more be he who
is the answer to your every problem.

769
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:11.359
I will hear, answer and deliver, not always in the way you want,

770
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.600
but always in accordance with my divine
plan for your future. As I

771
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:21.319
progressed through the inclement weather, my
mind was now focused on what was meant

772
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:27.680
in his address. As soon smiled
as I understood that in just announcing his

773
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:34.720
presence, he had already answered my
unspoken requests. Oh I'm clicking my fingers.

774
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:38.840
That was fantastic. Oh, loving
it, loving it, loving it,

775
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:43.439
loving it. Yes, let's marinate
on that for a moment now,

776
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.800
Anthea, is that written somewhere where
I could find that? I have terrible

777
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:53.600
memories? So not at president President. It's something in the okay, all

778
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.039
right, Well, I'm looking for
to be able to say read that again.

779
01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:59.800
Although you can't listen back, we
do podcast on our shows, so

780
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.640
you can find this on Spreaker look
for a rlse. So yeah, loving

781
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:09.439
that. So you know, so
you wrote that better difficult time? How

782
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:13.880
for you has the creativity? You
know what part has that played for you

783
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:20.479
overall? Oh that's an interesting question. I think it's helped me massively.

784
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:27.199
I think being able to remember I
walked out of a job. It sounds

785
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.600
impetuous. I had finished a job, right, I didn't have a job

786
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.920
to go so it was a difficult
situation. But I didn't have a job

787
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.680
to go to. But I decided
to leave. I was sitting on the

788
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.960
stairs. My husband was about to
become a student. I had no job

789
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.520
coming in and I just said,
oh Lord, what am I going to

790
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:45.439
do? Wrote a poem being able, you know, and I expressed and

791
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:48.800
so poetry for me as a prayer, it can be a prayer and then

792
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:54.239
being able to look back and seeing
that God has answered. If you're like,

793
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:57.479
wow, look look what he has
done. So you know, look

794
01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:00.920
at the Bible, the psalms,
their poetry. I'm in by the Bible,

795
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.119
and that, you know, the
Bible is very much in its language

796
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:06.920
and equivalent to Shakespeare. It's just
that because it's the religious dext we don't

797
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.760
it's not used in our schools as
widely, although you know it is seen

798
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:16.079
and upheld as you know, being
of a very high standard of literature.

799
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:21.520
And I am now a professional poet. This is what I do. I

800
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:28.880
go into schools, I work with
charities, corporates and other other creatives to

801
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:33.199
do creative projects. And so creativity. When my brother died, poetry became

802
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:39.319
something as well that helps me to
understandard to cope with that situation. So

803
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:44.399
creativity has helped me in many different
ways, whether that be poetry or music.

804
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:46.640
And like I said, just the
Bible. The Bible is replete with

805
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:53.920
people talking to God in song and
in poetry as well. You mentioned your

806
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:58.479
work within schools and you are you
finding we also to talk about anxiety and

807
01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:00.840
some of me with their children,
young people you work with. Are you

808
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.319
finding those that you're seeing that that
is an emotional outlet for them as well,

809
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:08.720
and some of the things that they
write may reveal some of the things

810
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:12.560
that they're going thing through or struggling
with. Well, I've been doing a

811
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:16.640
lot of performance rather than being in
the classroom per se. But you do,

812
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:23.319
I can see the resonance with the
students and also interestingly with the teachers

813
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:27.520
as well. So when I go
into schools, I'm really really open about

814
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:30.319
my own mental health journey and like, hey guys, you know, if

815
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:34.159
you have problems, please do get
help. And and I try it with

816
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:40.000
poetry to connect with an emotion right
and get an emotional response, you know.

817
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:42.600
And so the students will they'll be
like, Okay, what about that

818
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.600
image? What about this miss And
you know, the students will come afterwards

819
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:48.880
and tell me, and the teachers
will tell me. One teacher said to

820
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.600
me, you know, after your
approacher, I went home and I was

821
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:55.680
in tears and I told my husband. She said, words could be so

822
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.560
powerful. And you know that that
idea of being able to bring a little

823
01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:02.960
bit of link or a little bit
of an oasis through poetry and encouraging you

824
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:08.079
know. Last weekend I was a
charity event for ASNA. Was at the

825
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:13.399
weekend advent So Special Needs Association that
so I was with them for the weekend

826
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:18.199
and doing workshops with the cares about
the you know, using poetry and creative

827
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:24.319
writing as a way of them being
able to you know, channel their experiences

828
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:30.640
and write it down. And I
use the text. Oh I think it's

829
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:31.880
in a vehicle when he says,
you know, it was like a fire

830
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.920
in my bones. You know,
I had to when I didn't speak your

831
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.119
name, it was like a fire
in my bones, you know, I

832
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:40.880
had to let it. I had
to let it out. And there's so

833
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:45.279
many things that go unstead for young
people and for adults, and being able

834
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:51.439
to give life to those words in
paper, through poetry, through creativity,

835
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:57.319
through song, it can be a
real outlet and a real sense of emotional

836
01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:01.399
released for many people. And that's
one of my really key girls that of

837
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:08.960
going into schools and helping I'm very
passionate about mental health and helping people to

838
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:14.039
identify with emotions that sometimes they don't
even they don't even have the words.

839
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:15.880
And so if you don't have the
words, maybe some of my words will

840
01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:19.600
help you to identify feeling within yourself. Yeah, and as you said,

841
01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:24.800
words are powerful, and Dorothy you
mentioned that before as well, that you

842
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.119
know, maybe back in the day
people didn't have those words. So using

843
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:31.720
different mechanisms and tools and strategies to
help to do that definitely your way with

844
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.720
that. So thank you Anthea for
sharing that. You may have to shoot

845
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.319
off, so if you do,
thank you for sharing. But obviously,

846
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:41.560
do you stay as long as you
can do? Pedro, Do you have

847
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:44.680
any questions for our ladies before we're
going to go on too in terms of

848
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:50.279
when things are getting too much what
we can do with that? Well,

849
01:15:50.399 --> 01:16:00.760
yeah, I did have a question
um with fear, but I answered I

850
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.479
always put an ell in there for
some reason. But I was listening to

851
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:08.479
your to your to your own poem
and I was thinking to myself that I

852
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:13.880
was me or that is me,
um, and I guess the question would

853
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:18.720
be more like um. Growing up. I know sometimes I think people we

854
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:23.840
go through life where we don't diagnose
that we have anxiety, or that we

855
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:27.199
are stressing, or that we you
know, some people go through where they

856
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:30.880
don't even never get diagnose, so
get counseling. But then you look back

857
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.359
on your life and like I always
took about it for myself because I don't

858
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:38.319
like to talk about it. How
can I like for other people because everybody's

859
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:43.000
different. So I was connect with
my own personal and I remember like when

860
01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:47.840
I was younger, I would would
um Vanita. Vanita said about the glass.

861
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:53.079
That's the perfect example because like I
was just saying to my family last

862
01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:57.800
last night or two nights ago that, Um, I remember when I feel

863
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:00.800
like I was running one thousand miles, I was running a thousand miles an

864
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:02.439
hour, but I wasn't going anywhere. My body just felt like it was

865
01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:08.479
just shaking, and I just felt
like this, this overwhelming just come over

866
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.880
me. And then I started thinking, what you what you just said?

867
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:15.960
I think with I just started saying
to myself, you know, God,

868
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:19.640
God has me, and I think
what Dorothy said about we have we have

869
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:23.880
extra with the Bible, we have
so much extra that we can look at

870
01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:27.760
it. And I think I just
started I just stought to just trust in

871
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.680
God and know like, Okay,
God, You're gonna take care of this.

872
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.399
God, You're gonna handle this.
And at what time, like things

873
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:38.000
that just started to go Wait where
I haven't, I haven't. I can't

874
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.520
remember the last time I had something
like that happened to me where I just

875
01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:45.479
felt like my body was just you
know, shaking. So I guess my

876
01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:50.239
Christian would be more than anything like. But then when you do that,

877
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:54.760
you know the devil could be.
It's still strong. He's you know,

878
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:58.239
he's he's a very powerful being,
just as not as powerful as God,

879
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.920
but he's a powerful being. Then
I feel like then you go into like

880
01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:05.319
depression and I don't mean the well
like where you start doing other things that

881
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:11.880
you normally don't do. So how
do you handle like if you're able to

882
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.359
get yourself where you're not as anxious
as before, but then there's other things

883
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:20.680
happening? Or does it? Does
it sometimes manifest in a different way and

884
01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:24.840
then you have to so that that
would be my question. So if you're

885
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:30.720
suffer from anxiety or anxiousness, but
then you feel like you got a good

886
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:36.479
um, you feel like you have
kind of got a hold of that somewhat

887
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:42.079
to an extent, how do you
know if it starts manifesting in another way

888
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.439
that it can still be anxiety but
you just don't recognize it. Does that

889
01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:50.479
question makes sense? The question makes
sense? I think first of all,

890
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:56.880
I think there are people here who
have more expertise from an action I was.

891
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.279
I was asking Anita, and then
I was just saying no, no,

892
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.560
no, no no. I was
just saying that I love your poem

893
01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:06.039
because it just when you said the
poem, that's how I was like with

894
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:10.880
anxiousness and stuff. And then I
just started to I just started giving it

895
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:14.520
to God. Like to me that
poem was about giving it to God and

896
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:17.039
God saying back to me, I
got you, I got you, Pedro,

897
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:19.640
I got you, I got I
just give it to me. I

898
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.840
got it. But even with that
in mind, because I know, I

899
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:30.520
know of situations that you know,
people think because we're ventors where we are

900
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:34.199
immune to certain things. I know
of eventors that have committed suicide, you

901
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:39.119
know, have self harmed, have
done things, and they say, well,

902
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.199
you're in the Bible, you you
have the Bible, you love the

903
01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:45.560
Lord. Why would God let that
happen to you? And they don't understand.

904
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:48.279
Yeah, that's one of the myths. They don't understand that just because

905
01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:54.159
I loved the Lord doesn't mean it
I still don't suffer with anxiety or depression

906
01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:58.760
or you know, or stress,
and it could still it could still happen

907
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.960
to us. So that that's why
I was actually praying a question to the

908
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:06.399
professionals on the boil here. You
know what I would say to that is,

909
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:11.600
you know, I said, the
majority of my work is anxiety.

910
01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:16.760
And one of the things that I
always say to young people and their families

911
01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:23.079
that there is not a cure for
anxiety. There's no cure for it,

912
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:29.159
you learn to live well with it. So there will be times when it's

913
01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:32.800
in charge of you, and there
will be in times when you're in charge

914
01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:38.920
of it. Yeah, And if
you ignore it, or if you pretend

915
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:43.279
it's sort of there, it will
rise up somewhere. You know. Then

916
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:45.640
there will be times where you go
through, you know, times of ease

917
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:48.920
where maybe things are going well in
your life and anxiety doesn't bother you as

918
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:55.399
much. But I think it's good
for people to to get counseling. Maybe

919
01:20:55.439 --> 01:21:00.079
there's you know, things that that
float the anxiety of weickered, the anxiety

920
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:04.159
that you have not dealt with,
Yeah, and so that would be a

921
01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:10.279
good thing. But I think also
we need to know ourselves. For me,

922
01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:13.880
I'm trying to teach my daughter.
She gets on the phone to me

923
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:15.880
as soon as she gets out of
school, you know, she comes home.

924
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:20.079
I may run a hot bath for
her, yeah, not for cleaning,

925
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:26.239
but for relaxing, you know.
Or it may be let's just listen

926
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:29.199
to some music, or shall we
go for a walk. Because what I'm

927
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:33.039
trying to teach her is that anxiety
is not going to go away, you

928
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:38.439
know, It's got to be responded
to and dealt with. You've got to

929
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:43.640
know yourself, what relaxes you,
what reduces your anxiety. And you know,

930
01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:48.079
as we've been saying already, we're
very fortunate as believers that there's so

931
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:53.199
much in the scripture. There's so
much in the scripture that if we,

932
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:57.119
you know, say like a mantra. You know, people that don't have

933
01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:00.399
the scripture, they use other mantras. I am beautiful, I am,

934
01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:04.159
I am, you know, but
for us, we have a wealth of

935
01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:10.079
scripture that we can adopt as manage
but we have prayer, you know,

936
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:16.640
and let's use those as tools to
manage our anxiety and to keep it in

937
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:24.039
check. Yeah, I'm following on
from what the letter has said. As

938
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:27.520
I heard you speak about your experience, Pedro, I wanted to stop for

939
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:31.560
you and say, just breathe,
just breathe. A lot of the time

940
01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:36.439
we just forget to breathe. Yea, literally stop. So, well,

941
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:41.760
how do you manage it? Breathe
it? You did so much when on

942
01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:45.159
in your brain, and they've talked
about she got it out of her head

943
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.399
and wrote it down, and that's
what she does. She gets it out

944
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:53.560
and she uses penda paper. I
wanted to say to you, first of

945
01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:58.720
all, just breathe. And then
what the letter was saying about? What

946
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.520
works for you? Is it writing? Is it singing? Is it going

947
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:08.039
for a walk? What works for
you? And then, as a Christian?

948
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:12.840
What are your tech So have a
few of them written down? So

949
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:16.840
there's one. There's a couple in
Philippians Philippians four six and seven. What

950
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:24.000
does that say? Do not be
anxious about anything? But in every situation,

951
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:28.960
prayer and petition with thanksgiving were sent
your request to God, and the

952
01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:33.680
peace of God will transcend all understanding. Will God your hearts and your mind

953
01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:38.479
in Christ Jesus. If you're you
know, you know, we don't want

954
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:44.560
to spiritualize it, but they help
just breathing. Hold on to one text

955
01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:46.960
and read it a couple of times, you know, just to have a

956
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:51.560
few there ready for yourself. Find
that And so the main thing is get

957
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:56.760
help if you can't do yourself.
What works for me? What helps me

958
01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:01.760
to write to feel better? Is
it singing? Is it writing? Is

959
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:06.359
it just breathing? And as I
breathe, I let it go. I

960
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:12.880
let go that thought. I don't
spiral because what I heard you do pedroble

961
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:15.920
spiral So what if it means that
this is why I'm being anxious now,

962
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:19.359
because that's I'm not anxious about that
now I'm anxious about that. Maybe it

963
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:24.880
is, and maybe it's not.
Who really cares right now? Mindful what's

964
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:28.680
going on right now? Who needs
my attention right now? Maybe I need

965
01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:33.880
it. Maybe I just need to
drink some water and focus. Oh that

966
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:40.920
was it I was, yeah,
with my brain was kind of going racing,

967
01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:44.000
trying to figure what I was trying
to say. Probably do need to

968
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:46.319
write things down. Sometimes I'm bad
at that. Yeah, Yeah, I'm

969
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:50.079
definitely bad at that. I'm more
me personally, more for me to to

970
01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:57.760
um. I kind of just meditate
my job by driver a lot, and

971
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.720
I actually thinks that's why my job, because I'm in between jobs, I

972
01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:08.439
can, like Angelsta earlier, put
the window down or open the sunroof and

973
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:11.239
just feel the sun on my face. And as I'm driving, I'm just

974
01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:15.079
I don't even put the music on
a nothing, I'm just like just thinking

975
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.319
to myself or like you said,
breathe, Pejo, calm down, just

976
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:23.399
you know, just just it's gonna
be okay. And that gets me,

977
01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:26.399
you know, that kind of just
helps me throughout the day. And that's

978
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:29.239
why I think I love my job
so much, because the driving for me

979
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:34.119
is therapeutic just looking at the sites
I go through, countrysides, I go

980
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:39.800
through towns and just seeing different things. It's just it's just relaxing to me.

981
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:44.039
So I think that's why I love
driving so much because of that reason.

982
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:45.680
Yeah, I'm not can attest to
that as well, Patrick that I

983
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:49.159
did a lot of that and actually, especially sometimes when I felt quite stressed

984
01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:54.199
anxious, going for a drive,
it's just great. Oh yeah, definitely.

985
01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:58.439
Yeah. The argument the wife and
I just I would just say,

986
01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:01.279
look, i'll be back, not
being I have no problem, you know

987
01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:09.000
me, I'm very upfront. Even
when I was gonna ask i'll get an

988
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:10.800
argument, I say, look,
I just gotta go, and I just

989
01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:14.279
leave a fifteen minute drive. It
could be one in the morning and then

990
01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:17.039
come back and then it's like the
waiter is lifted off my shoulders. How

991
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:19.600
we can talk or we could talk
in the morning or whatever. But it

992
01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:23.800
just made it just made a difference. The drive just helped. Yeah,

993
01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:32.439
yeah, but question just quickly,
I'm just I know Anthea wants to say,

994
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:36.479
Andia, you go, oh okay, Oh yeah, I was just

995
01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:40.479
gonna say, you know, coming
up from the same side as Pedro,

996
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:44.199
you know, as somebody who can
get anxious, um, that knowing your

997
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:48.640
triggers is also I found goodness,
That's what I was interrupt to say.

998
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:59.119
Yeah, I've learned that knowing my
trick is is really really important. So

999
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:01.560
if I'm in this situation and I
start behaving in a certain way, oh

1000
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:06.560
ansia your anxiety levels, you know, and I may I may need to

1001
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:12.119
remove myself from that situation, or
or if I start, I mean,

1002
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:15.520
for me, it could be silly
things like if I'm phoning my mom or

1003
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.119
my aunt or my dad for you
know, or my husband, and I'm

1004
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:24.920
asking you really really stupid questions.
It's very basic things that I could answer

1005
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:28.359
myself. But I then I stop, I start, Can I do this?

1006
01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:30.359
Should I leave the house? Should
I I'm beginning to ask people's silly

1007
01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:34.880
questions because my anxiety levels have really
raised. Lay so I'm now, you

1008
01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:40.279
know, nominating other people to help
me run the basic task of my life.

1009
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:45.319
That's a that's a side for me
of answer of increasing levels of anxiety.

1010
01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:48.399
So knowing what your triggers are,
I think, is so important.

1011
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.760
I'm sure you know. I can
give you a more academic, you know,

1012
01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:56.079
philosophy, you know, rapist reason
as to why you should know the

1013
01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:58.600
triggers. But for me, I've
just found that that is one of the

1014
01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:03.279
coping mechanisms and just knowing as as
I know was mentioned as bio Dorothy that

1015
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:08.279
this is not going and I think
it was it was Antivens saying that you

1016
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.159
know, it's not going away.
I realized at first I thought I'm cured.

1017
01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:15.920
No, It's something that I'm always
going to have to deal with in

1018
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:19.840
some way. And as Patri said, it can it doesn't necessarily manifest itself

1019
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:25.039
in one way. It can manifest
itself in another way at some point.

1020
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:27.840
But you can manage it. You
can get through it. It's not a

1021
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:31.319
life sentence, UM, but you
need to manage it and not allow it

1022
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:40.520
to manage you. I think I
would add to that as well, is

1023
01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:46.159
is no where your anxiety is coming
from. So if you have UM if

1024
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:50.439
in your family, you know you've
got a long line of people whose character

1025
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:56.319
or personality is quite anxious, you
know, then then maybe you know that's

1026
01:28:56.399 --> 01:29:00.600
just a family trait and it's something
that you learn to work with. It

1027
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.119
may be that you've come from a
quite traumatic experience, you know, and

1028
01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:12.039
I think it's really important for for
you to take time out to deal with

1029
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:15.079
that, for anyone, you know, to take time out to deal with

1030
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:17.119
that. And I think we're very
good at you know, if we have

1031
01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:21.079
a physical element, we will move
evan and earth, we will sell the

1032
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:26.159
house to fix our kids, we
will go without a car. But when

1033
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:29.760
it comes to getting a bit of
counseling for ourselves so that we can function

1034
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:33.439
better, we're reluctant to invest in
that. And I think, you know,

1035
01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:36.560
for those listening, that's what I
would say. You know, if

1036
01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:40.640
you know that you've had a traumatic
incident in your life, it could be

1037
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:45.920
forty years ago. You know,
that thing, if it's untreated or unexplored,

1038
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:51.039
will be ruminating around and causing anxiety. So I would say, go

1039
01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:59.680
and value yourself enough to go and
talk to someone about it. Cool.

1040
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:01.279
Thank you, So, I think
I know you've got to shoot off,

1041
01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:06.479
So thank you so much for joining
us. Appreciate your insights and your creativity,

1042
01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:10.600
and I'm sure we'll have you back
on again because I know you've got

1043
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:13.000
to go to share. So thank
you, so much for that and showing

1044
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:20.039
experience. Thank you so m for
letimes. You were just mentioning there,

1045
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:24.840
but if you need to help,
So if okay, I've recognized that things

1046
01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:27.800
are getting too much. You know, I'm struggling from day to day.

1047
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:30.640
And actually, yeas Anthew was just
mentioning about you know sometimes so she's asking

1048
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:34.439
questions or you can't make decisions,
and I know I've often I felt that

1049
01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:38.239
way. I really related to that, like, you know, the basic

1050
01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:41.039
things that I think I should know
how to do? What would be the

1051
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:44.199
steps that somebody would take? You
know, what would you say somebody does?

1052
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:47.600
Because it's like I guess at that
point you need some help, So

1053
01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:51.279
what would you do? What would
somebody do? And that's both a letter

1054
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:56.439
and Dorothy there and what would be
my first step if that was me?

1055
01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:01.399
You go, Dorothy. I think
some of the things have been mentioned about

1056
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:08.439
get to know yourself, get to
know your triggers. So what what's going

1057
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:15.239
on? I said earlier? Breathe
when you're feeling this coombobulated, when you're

1058
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:23.439
feeling anxious, when you're feelings stress, actually breathe, sit with yourself and

1059
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:30.640
recognize it's okay, it's okay,
and this too shall pass. That's a

1060
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:35.279
strong word. It will pass.
Whatever it with. Don't get stuck in

1061
01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:41.640
it and find out what works for
me. You can't do on your own.

1062
01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:45.399
Reach out. Reach out there is
if you did no one in your

1063
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:50.520
family, If you haven't got friends, go and get support outside of your

1064
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:58.720
family own, go to someone in
church. But sit and know it will

1065
01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.880
pass. It's not a life sentence. We've talked about the breathing. We've

1066
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:08.520
talked about reading, We've talked about
talking. They don't work, you know,

1067
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:12.840
as and if you're if you are
a Christian Christian. We talked how

1068
01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:17.159
the Bible, the psalms. There's
so many texts in the Bible claim one

1069
01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:25.319
to make it your mantra and keep
moving, don't get stuck. But if

1070
01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:28.119
I find that I am stuck and
I think, okay, I can't do

1071
01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:30.880
this by myself, you know,
and I think, okay, I may

1072
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:35.279
need some professional help. Would it
be a case of approaching my doctors or

1073
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:40.439
that would I look for We mentioned
about counseling. How would I know you

1074
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:43.199
know what the best see It's difficult
to know what the best thing would be?

1075
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.159
M But would go into my GP
be a good starting point to talk

1076
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:55.359
about that or would it be you
know, looking online resources or I think,

1077
01:32:55.800 --> 01:33:00.680
um, I think going to your
GP is is useful, it's a

1078
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:04.800
good thing to do. I think
it depends again, it depends on who

1079
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:10.600
you are and what your circumstances are. If your anxiety is fairly new,

1080
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:13.880
you know, you know you're going
to go to the GP and get me

1081
01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.880
get medication and that that can help
you, but it's not going to sort

1082
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:21.319
out the root cause you know,
so sometimes when we have when we have

1083
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:25.680
anxiety, you know, if you're
getting to the point where you're um,

1084
01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.680
you know, you're you're tearful and
as Pedro said, you're shaky, or

1085
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:34.880
you know, it may be anxiety
brought on from over overwhelmed. Stop what's

1086
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:40.159
going in and your going on in
your life? You know? Yeah,

1087
01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:43.439
to take it, you know,
take an inventory, see what's going on?

1088
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:45.760
Am I doing too much and for
too long? You know? Have

1089
01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:49.760
there been traumatic events, traumatic losses
in your life? You know, and

1090
01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:53.880
you've just got up and carried on. It could be a number of things.

1091
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:57.239
So to take an inventory of your
life, see what's going on,

1092
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:00.640
try and do some make some of
those changes that can bring a bring back

1093
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.560
a little bit of a peace,
give you a time, as Dorothy says,

1094
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.840
to just take a breather, you
know. And if that's still not

1095
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.960
working, then I would say,
you know, yes, go and go

1096
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:15.680
and see your GP. But I
would not neglect talking therapy. You know,

1097
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:20.399
they're a different thing. Not everybody
can afford talking therapis, but some

1098
01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:24.880
people keep things in. They may
have a good friend who would be so

1099
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:29.960
happy to have a conversation with them
and talk about things that are on their

1100
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.439
mind. Talking is so valuable,
you know. And if you can't do

1101
01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:38.880
it with a professional, do it
with a friends, you know, or

1102
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:44.079
do it with a you know,
a pastor. Yeah, okay, but

1103
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:47.199
I would say get get help,
get help, and let medications be a

1104
01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:53.000
last resort because it doesn't deal with
the root cause. And as you mentioned

1105
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:55.600
about therapy, what sort of types
of them? And I know there are

1106
01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:59.399
different types of therapy out that out
there, you know, what therapies are

1107
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:04.199
commonly used to kind of to treat
anxiety or anxiety disorders? Are the specific

1108
01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:09.880
types you mentioned talking therapy? Um, And I know both of you kind

1109
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:15.680
of have a slightly different what's the
word, different genre genre that's thank you

1110
01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:18.199
of you know, the therapy that
you do. Sorry, trying to get

1111
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:21.199
to the therapeutics to speak there.
Um, So what kind of things are

1112
01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:27.199
out there that I commonly used?
Um? And as I'm saying that,

1113
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:30.159
I wonder are all of these kind
of use for the because I guess you

1114
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:31.920
know, the different clouds that you
come through the way in which you work

1115
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:38.439
can be beneficial to different people depending
on the situation. Um. But yeah,

1116
01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:43.000
it's but speak to that for that
for me. Well, the one

1117
01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:48.319
that is is I identified by the
nice guidelines is um is CBT, because

1118
01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:53.760
anxiety is about is about the thoughts, isn't it. It's about how the

1119
01:35:54.239 --> 01:36:00.920
how the thoughts impact the behaviors,
and it goes around in a cycle.

1120
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:04.000
You know, your your your brain
works one way, your thoughts work one

1121
01:36:04.039 --> 01:36:09.840
way, and it impacts your behaviors
and so on. And so what this

1122
01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:15.039
CBT tries to do is to interrupt
that cycle and get you to think about

1123
01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:20.079
things in a different way. That's
cognitive behavioral therapy. Cognitive behavioral therapy.

1124
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:26.720
Yeah, so it tries to just
um, work with the cognitions and have

1125
01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:31.319
people challenge their anxiety in that way. So that's the one that's that's indicated.

1126
01:36:31.319 --> 01:36:36.680
But there are many ways of working
with working with anxiety. One of

1127
01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:43.000
them, um oh, both or
Dorothy and I, you know, we've

1128
01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:49.720
done EMDR, we've trained in EMDRUM
and that can be helpful as well to

1129
01:36:50.279 --> 01:36:59.880
interrupt um interrupt thought patterns, and
so that's quite useful. That's quite as

1130
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:06.439
quite a new newish, relatively new
new treatment eye movement, desensitization reprocessing,

1131
01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:13.479
And it just speaks to the fact
that, um, you know, trauma

1132
01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:17.920
can get get locked in the brain
and there were certain processes that can help

1133
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:26.239
to shift that so that you can
be less anxious or less triggered by things

1134
01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:30.079
that have happened to you in the
past. But that's another long story for

1135
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:33.399
another day. So it was a
part two coming. I can always feel

1136
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:38.720
that do I think you're going to
add to that very much like what the

1137
01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:42.319
letter was saying. But with the
CBT, for me, that's a holding

1138
01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:46.640
since somebody says, I think it's
always good to find out what's the the

1139
01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:54.119
root cause, what's the root cause
where CBT can interrupt the process, what's

1140
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:58.439
the root cause? And also I
want to say as well, when you're

1141
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:03.000
feeling anxious, as well. Get
a blood test sometimes because sometimes it's because

1142
01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:10.920
we're not quite fo Now that's so
true. That's so true, get a

1143
01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:15.159
blood test. Let's don't just go
for medicine. There could be something physically

1144
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:23.720
right us and and bitamin d all
of these things. Magnesium, that's right

1145
01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:27.119
saying all those things. So yeah, things like that as well. So

1146
01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:30.039
there are a lot with children,
might be drama therapy and young adults drama

1147
01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:35.920
therapy, play therapy. There are
so many different types of therapy too that

1148
01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:39.760
we can tap you. But I
wouldn't be doing my job if I did

1149
01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:45.159
not talk about systemic therapy or family
therapy. You know, I think,

1150
01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:49.800
especially when you're even with children,
systemic therapy he does. It's at the

1151
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:57.000
root of it is that children can't
change their lives themselves. You can't do

1152
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.880
therapy with a with a child and
say okay, go and you know,

1153
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:05.520
and enjoy something different because their world
is wrapped up in their family, the

1154
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:12.760
way their family functions, the beliefs
that their family have, and so when

1155
01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:17.319
a child is dealing with anxiety,
it's it's it's always good to take a

1156
01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:24.039
systemic approach and talk with the family
members together and see if things can shift

1157
01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:29.319
there. You know, how our
parents dealing with their anxiety. Maybe it's

1158
01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:32.119
sometimes one of the things that happened
with children is they worry so much about

1159
01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:35.680
their family. They worry so much
about their parents, they don't want to

1160
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:40.159
go to school because if things are
not going well with parents, they don't

1161
01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:43.279
know what they're going to find into
when they get home, you know.

1162
01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:48.159
So systemic therapy is often good as
well when we find a young person,

1163
01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:54.760
you know, inexplicably, you know, filled with anxiety. You know,

1164
01:39:55.039 --> 01:39:59.880
it's partially to do with school,
but we find often that it's about how

1165
01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:05.279
they're held at home and they're worried
about family life as well. So systemic

1166
01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:10.159
therapy is always useful in that sense. So cool, Okay, we wanna

1167
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:12.920
take another break because, as you
mentioned about one of the going I'm going

1168
01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.319
to go back to the idea of
kind of knowing ourselves and think about we've

1169
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:17.520
talked about some of the things that
we can do to help ourselves, but

1170
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:24.000
also what the community or our support
networks or people around can do to support

1171
01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:27.119
people, and also with our churches
as well. And I know, Dorothy

1172
01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:32.239
and I'm going to plug for initiative
that you have set up over in Ballum.

1173
01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:35.000
So we're talking a little about that. We're going to go with another

1174
01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:39.159
piece of music. This is going
to kind of linking with the idea of

1175
01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:43.439
as stopping and breathing. So this
is Peace be Still by the Brooklyn Tabernacle

1176
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:46.039
Choir, and it's one of the
letter's choices as well. And yeah,

1177
01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:53.199
the idea of just stopping and breathing
and you know, try to get some

1178
01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:58.279
calm and some peace. So Peace
be Still, the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir.

1179
01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:30.119
The clouds began together, the winds
began to blow, darkness over to the

1180
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:50.119
day, and fees began to grow. The man upon the tiny ship didn't

1181
01:41:50.359 --> 01:42:05.880
know j water to do, so
they went to awake the Master. For

1182
01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:32.720
his my words they new, and
he said, sisters, that's all the

1183
01:42:33.119 --> 01:43:16.399
Master to say. To stay he
jes When clouds of down begin together,

1184
01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:34.880
and winds of sorrow start to blow, and this darkness all around you and

1185
01:43:35.399 --> 01:43:53.520
fees begin to grow, be John
fit to Jesus, for he knows just

1186
01:43:54.079 --> 01:44:10.680
work to do. And then your
trouble war his luck with see your blue

1187
01:44:14.840 --> 01:45:48.039
her say stay Spa. That's all
to say. Your say, And okay,

1188
01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:54.079
peace is still the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir
UM, and that's we usual.

1189
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:57.319
I looked round and all of a
sudden, it is that time. So

1190
01:45:57.439 --> 01:46:00.880
we're fast approach at the end of
the show. UM in a great show.

1191
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.840
So far, I think I've learned
a whole heap and as much as

1192
01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:08.840
I kind of dabble in that area, I've learned quite a lot today.

1193
01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:11.920
So I think there's gonna be a
few things that I'm going to take away

1194
01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:15.680
from this, but just wanted to
go over some of that. We've talked

1195
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:17.520
about some of the things that you
can do obviously, talked about some therapies.

1196
01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:20.640
We've talked about things that we can
do for ourselves as well. And

1197
01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:24.399
I think the key thing I'm gonna
take away is it really about knowing yourself.

1198
01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:29.520
But what can our community and I
say community, and I mean whether

1199
01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:33.960
it's our family or our friends by
church, what can they do to kind

1200
01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:40.520
of help support anybody who's going through
anxiety. Because I think it's great that

1201
01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:44.359
we know ourselves, but you'll could
do with a helping hand. And you've

1202
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:48.079
both everybody's mentioned about reaching out to
people, So what can people do to

1203
01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:53.439
help each other? You know,
what can we do to encourage our communities

1204
01:46:53.560 --> 01:47:00.279
to support general mental health, but
especially anxiety. But one of the things

1205
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:08.199
that balloon you started to say before
the break, pastor a PUCO, under

1206
01:47:08.279 --> 01:47:15.640
his leadership, we started up our
mental health and well Being department and a

1207
01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:20.560
couple of things that we do a
bit where we started today about having an

1208
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:27.039
awareness week. Each week we post
something in the bullet teine and on the

1209
01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:31.640
screen something to do with mental health. So we're making it, we're normalizing

1210
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:35.800
it. We're not waiting to have
a particular day. We're integrating it into

1211
01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:43.560
the service. So it's like posting
on Instagram or Facebook post and now we

1212
01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:46.479
attach a scripture with it so it
comes oh that might be me. Someone

1213
01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:49.880
might might relate to it and say, oh, that sounds like well I'm

1214
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:56.039
going through. Another thing we do
each month we take up ten minutes or

1215
01:47:56.079 --> 01:48:00.760
the Personal Ministry spot and we give
sometimes it's really example members of the team

1216
01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:08.119
how we struggle with anxiety, sericide, depression. Anything we give, we

1217
01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:13.600
talk about it, so again normalize
that. We're bringing it into the church

1218
01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:19.880
on a Sabbath, but it's been
recorded so it becomes part of what we

1219
01:48:20.119 --> 01:48:26.720
do. And then we have a
phone number an email please contact us.

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So I guess I'm saying normalize in
it, we're talking about anxiety week.

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It's great, but let's don't forget
or more suffering. So what the church

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01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:43.279
can do is talk about it more. Yeah, and I guess talking as

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01:48:43.319 --> 01:48:47.479
it's just about normalizing because I know
obviously we've there's so many stigmas around mental

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01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:53.239
health anyway, and anxiety can will
fall under that as well. And you

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01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:55.920
know, Pedro, you will lose
to this earlier in terms of you know,

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01:48:56.239 --> 01:48:59.439
because we are Christians, maybe we
shouldn't be suffering in that way.

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01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:02.439
Um. Oh, We've got God
on our side and it should be okay.

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01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:05.640
But actually that's not always the case, you know, And there are

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01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:11.840
many biblical characters who were probably suffering
from who We're suffering from stress, we're

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01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:16.920
suffering from depression, we're under pressure, we're really struggling, um, and

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01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:21.640
you know demonstrated that. So yeah, it's a normalizing Yeah, definitely,

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01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:30.279
definitely good idea. I think I
have to advocate for the children. That's

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01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:35.479
my area. And um, when
I was growing up, I think the

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01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:39.880
church has changed, you know,
And I don't know because i'm you know,

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01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:44.600
maybe I'm in, you know,
just just my area and everywhere hasn't

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01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:49.840
changed. But my feeling is that
that the church has changed as a community,

1237
01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:54.800
you know. And when I grew
up in the church, everybody was

1238
01:49:55.399 --> 01:50:00.239
everybody was auntie, everybody was was
on called, you know, and church

1239
01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:03.560
was a safe place for children to
grow up in. And I think parents

1240
01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:09.399
have become more For myself, I
know that I've not grown up given as

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01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:14.039
much as my parents gave to the
church because you have a more demanding job.

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01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:19.239
Life demands so much more, and
so we notice our children less,

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01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:25.319
you know. And I think we
really need to be in the spaces where

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01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:29.600
our children are. We need to
notice them. We need to notice when

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01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:33.399
they change. We need to say, how's your mental health today? Ours

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01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:38.840
school today? It was it stressful? You need to have somebody else who

1247
01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:41.840
can say that to them. I
notice that you weren't so talked to him

1248
01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:45.479
in class today. Is there anything
that I can can do to help?

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01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:47.199
Because you know that they're not going
to have time to do that in school,

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01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:54.000
you know. And let's make our
church is safe places. The other

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01:50:54.119 --> 01:51:00.800
day, you know, I've been
looking after myself, maybe a bit too

1252
01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:03.680
much, and I wasn't as active
in church as I should have been,

1253
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:09.279
you know, and I recently decided
to get involved in the Path our Finders.

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01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:12.239
I'm not a part finder myself,
but I showed up and I was

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01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:15.239
around, and you know, my
daughter came home as because she is,

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01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:18.119
and she said, Mom, thank
you so much for being at part Finders

1257
01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:23.399
today, you know. And my
daughter is fifteen. And sometimes we think

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01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:26.720
our kids, they look so cool, they act so cool, they act

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01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:29.800
like they don't want you around.
Don't believe a word of it. Our

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01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:34.520
kids want us around because they are
trying to navigate the world and it's very

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01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:40.960
anxiety provoking. And unless we can
notice the shifts that happen with them,

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01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:45.680
we won't be able to be there
when the anxiety HiT's. So that's what

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01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:49.239
I would say, Just let's be
there for our kids. Let's create create

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01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:53.960
spaces where they feel held, where
they feel noticed, and they feel that

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01:51:54.079 --> 01:51:58.279
they can can come and be open
about how they're feeling. Had you any

1266
01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:03.199
thoughts on that as well? I
have a People always ask me why do

1267
01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:09.239
I I work two jobs so that
my wife can stay home. My wife

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01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:14.279
has been home since my children been
born, and it's been an absolutely wonderful

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01:52:14.359 --> 01:52:16.279
thing, because what you just said
is everything my wife does when they get

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01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:20.880
through the door. How are you
doing, how was your day? What's

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01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:26.199
wrong? You're not looking right?
Yeah, your your demeanors off, Let's

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01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:30.840
talk and then she'll we relate to
me. So then the problem was that

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01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:32.840
she was related to me. But
then I'm getting home and I'm tired,

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01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:38.079
so I can't. I don't.
I don't have the energy to now talk

1275
01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:42.319
to my children. So I remedy
that by I take them to school in

1276
01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:45.920
the morning. And while we're driving
to school in the morning is a ten

1277
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:49.199
minute fifteen minute drive some days,
depending on traffic, I'm able to talk

1278
01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:54.840
and I'm able to talk about what
they talk to mother last night in the

1279
01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:59.079
morning, and then you know,
and I've noticed, like my daughter after

1280
01:52:59.159 --> 01:53:01.239
we talk, sheould text me when
she gets out and she goes inside and

1281
01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:05.039
like, I'm thinking that she's not
listening, and then she'd getting in school

1282
01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:08.680
and the next thing she takes me
love your dad, have a great day

1283
01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:11.279
dad, you know, and I'm
like, okay, I'm reaching her.

1284
01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.520
So I it's just literal. You
just have to try to just try to

1285
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:18.159
navigate, just do little things to
try to like to reach your kids.

1286
01:53:18.439 --> 01:53:21.359
And that's just me personally. So
I'm not saying it's gonna work for everybody,

1287
01:53:21.399 --> 01:53:27.159
but that when you were just talking
about that, it just brought back

1288
01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:30.439
for me personally that because I'm like, wow, like you know, and

1289
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:33.880
I think we just we really like
the kids are under such a u I

1290
01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:39.520
always advocate for the kids because the
kids are under such a immense amount of

1291
01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:44.520
pressure right now. And as Vined
have said, growing up, I grew

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01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:47.000
up in Ephesus in New York.
As big as that church was, everybody

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01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:50.640
was auntie uncle. Everybody knew each
other. We all we was a big

1294
01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:54.600
family for such a big church.
We had like over two thousand members,

1295
01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:58.199
but it was like two thousand and
family members. We were so everybody knew

1296
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:02.159
each other almost a little security and
right, And it feels like now you

1297
01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:06.079
don't feel secure, Like now I
don't know if I will leave my kids

1298
01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:11.159
in church by themselves. No,
I mean, you know, it just

1299
01:54:11.439 --> 01:54:15.159
it's just so the world has changed. Like before I could be eight and

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01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:18.720
my mother will leave me and go
across the street and leave me in church,

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01:54:19.520 --> 01:54:23.520
and she wouldn't even think twice because
she knows she has other people watching

1302
01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:26.640
me. Yeah, but we don't
have that. The mentality has changed now

1303
01:54:26.800 --> 01:54:30.960
as we're getting old and the society
and so yeah, yeah, that would

1304
01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:33.920
our only point. Yeah, I
mean following on from that, I guess

1305
01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:38.079
that that principle is the same in
terms if you know, checking on your

1306
01:54:38.119 --> 01:54:41.279
friends is what you about aware about
ourselves, We'll say aware of other people.

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01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:44.640
And really I want to say checking
on your friends and being aware it's

1308
01:54:44.680 --> 01:54:46.439
really see what's going to be helpful
for them. You know, if we

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01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:50.680
know our friends and we're making streets
have strong connections, you'll hopefully try to

1310
01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:54.880
step in where they need it,
you know, not just saying oh,

1311
01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:58.680
you know, you know God is
good and I'll pray for you. Whilst

1312
01:54:58.760 --> 01:55:02.000
that's great, it might be more
practical help. It may be something you

1313
01:55:02.079 --> 01:55:04.239
know, they need you to do
something. You may do you need them,

1314
01:55:04.359 --> 01:55:08.600
They would want you to do something
for them or help them with something.

1315
01:55:08.760 --> 01:55:12.439
So when I'm saying checking it going
a little bit deeper really kind of

1316
01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:17.520
with as connections. So yeah,
I guess there's been soad many takeaways from

1317
01:55:17.560 --> 01:55:19.520
this, and as we're coming to
the end of ours show, it's like

1318
01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:26.199
we could go on talking for hours. I'm sure, I guess um as

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01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:29.960
one of the things going back to
we talk about as Christians. We have

1320
01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:31.920
the scriptures, and there's so many
I mean, I did a Google search

1321
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:38.000
for Bible versus for anxiety. You
know, everybody has mentioned that. You

1322
01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:42.199
know, there are so many things
that we can hold on to. A

1323
01:55:42.279 --> 01:55:46.159
couple of my favorite ones John fourteen
twenty seven saying, piece I leave with

1324
01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:48.880
you, my piece I give for
you. Not as the world gives,

1325
01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:51.079
do I give to you. Then
he says, you know, let not

1326
01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:58.000
your heart be troubled, neither let
it be afraid. Oh okay, yep,

1327
01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:00.880
and then cast your because that's my
favorite. That's one of my favorite.

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01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:04.720
That's why. And he was saying
you he'll never admit the rights to

1329
01:56:04.760 --> 01:56:08.520
be moved. That's one of the
psalms as well. So there are so

1330
01:56:08.680 --> 01:56:12.880
many things, and I'm going to
leave because we're coming to the end of

1331
01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:18.800
as show. It's been wonderful speaking
to the letter and Dorothy and Anthea today

1332
01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:23.399
sharing your insights, and there's so
much more, and I think I say

1333
01:56:23.479 --> 01:56:25.479
this every week. It's going to
be a part two on all this.

1334
01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:28.479
But again, you know we're starting
the conversation. This is because we come

1335
01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:30.840
to the end of Mental Health Awareness
Week. Don't let this just be one

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01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:35.760
week out of the fifty two weeks
that we have. Every day we could

1337
01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:41.079
be talking about this every day.
People are struggling. There's lots of resources

1338
01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:45.039
out there in the church. Outside
of the church, I mentioned the Mental

1339
01:56:45.119 --> 01:56:49.600
Health Foundation. They've got lots of
tips on their especially dealing with some of

1340
01:56:49.680 --> 01:56:54.319
the areas that we mentioned about could
be triggers. But we also have our

1341
01:56:54.359 --> 01:57:01.079
own Cornerstone Counseling that CCS Counseling dot
org dot uk UM that's Sarah Adventist Counseling

1342
01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:05.079
as well. Um. There's a
lot of support out there. Do reach

1343
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:09.640
out wherever you can. Don't think
you have to struggle alone. But I'm

1344
01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:14.079
going to leave us with Philippines fort
verse thirteen that I can do think all

1345
01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:18.720
things through Christ, who strengthens Meum. Petro, I'm going to ask you

1346
01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:29.000
to pray to close because I can. I know people wondering why we're laughing,

1347
01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:32.199
but they think, um, and
you know. And as I say

1348
01:57:32.279 --> 01:57:36.319
that, you know, UM,
yeah, God as God us we can

1349
01:57:36.439 --> 01:57:43.119
hold on to that. UM.
So let's praying Petro about you. I'm

1350
01:57:43.159 --> 01:57:45.399
heavny father, We want to thank
you for this program that you allowed us

1351
01:57:45.439 --> 01:57:51.279
to have. Hopefully with all the
information and all the different aspects of anxiety

1352
01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:57.279
and streuss that we talked about,
the thing that we may have helped somebody

1353
01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:00.760
that they may go and talk to
somebody, if as just a stranger or

1354
01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:06.279
a family member or the past,
or get help professionally. We asked Lord

1355
01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:10.399
that you will continue to be of
us as we start this week, keep

1356
01:58:10.479 --> 01:58:14.199
anxiety and the stress in our lives
to a minimum as best as possible,

1357
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:20.359
show us how we can navigate through
life and that we can make things better

1358
01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:24.680
for ourselves with your help. We
love you, Lording me, thank you,

1359
01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:29.359
Thank you for the ladies joining us
today and to the events Read deal

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01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:32.720
London listeners. We asked to everybody
will have a good week as we started

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01:58:33.079 --> 01:58:39.279
for this Opparent your holy name,
Amen Man, thank you so thank you.

1362
01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:42.520
It's been talking point. It's been
a wonderful show. Thank you Dorothy

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01:58:42.600 --> 01:58:45.760
and for letter for joining us.
We'll definitely get you back on again.

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01:58:45.279 --> 01:58:49.640
It's been great speaking to you both
and you know joining us with this conversation.

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01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:54.239
And so everybody out there, I
hope you will continue to be talking

1366
01:58:54.920 --> 01:59:00.279
about mental health raisingly aware of awareness
of yourself and for other people. Paul,

1367
01:59:00.760 --> 01:59:03.640
I'm going to leave you with a
song called Awesome by Charles Jenkinson,

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01:59:03.720 --> 01:59:08.479
Fellowships Chicago, just saying as that
God has got our back. He is

1369
01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:13.920
awesome, He's amazing. So it's
good night from me, angela good night

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01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:20.920
from Adel from good Night and Dorothy. Thank you. It's been Talking Point.

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Thank you so much. Do you
join us? Do you listen to

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01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:30.439
Advantage Radio London tomorrow morning? Our
live shows continue, so enjoy the rest

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01:59:30.439 --> 01:59:38.319
of the evening and have a good
week. It's been Talking Point. Adventist

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01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:40.800
Radio London. Inspiration for the song