WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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Yes, yes, I know 18 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:36.760 aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch outis you there? 19 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.439 Welcome back to Sasquatch, Honust. Thank you so much for being with us 20 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.920 for the show. It is Friday. I hope you've had a great week. 21 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.000 We have an amazing guest line up for you. But as always, 22 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.560 I want to start the show by inviting you. If you've had an encounter 23 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.799 and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an Emao. You 24 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.239 can get me at Brian at Paranomoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the 25 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.120 website and check it out, become a member there and help support this show. 26 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:00.120 As I said, we've got great guest on the show. I got 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.920 to sit down and talk to David from Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot, and he's here 28 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:08.000 to share his personal experiences, his personal sighting of one of these creatures, 29 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:13.680 and to talk about Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot and what they're doing as far as research. 30 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.240 He's got some really cool stories to tell about some of the things that 31 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:21.319 they've done as far as camera raise and one of the habituation sites that they're 32 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:24.000 working here in the United States. So I'll let you hear all about that 33 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.680 from David in just a second. Make sure you head over to the blog 34 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.400 at Parandormworldproductions dot com. Check out the Sasquatch out to see blog at the 35 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.919 top of the page. I'm going to post all the photos and the link 36 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.560 to the video that David and I talk about in the episode tonight. But 37 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:38.840 enough of that. I know you guys are here to get into it. 38 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.000 So David's on the line. He's ready to go. You got to sit 39 00:02:43.080 --> 00:03:05.240 back, relax and enjoy the show. All right. I want to welcome 40 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:08.159 my guest to the show. It is David from Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. Welcome 41 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:12.159 to the show, David, Thanks very much, Brian, I'm happy to 42 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:14.960 be here. I'm glad to have you man. So let's get right into 43 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.560 this Bigfoot thing. Let's talk about what got you interested in the subject of 44 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:23.080 bigfoot. To begin with, it goes back, I would say around twenty 45 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:30.520 sixteen. I was living in Toronto. I grew up in southern Ontario, 46 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:35.039 in Hamilton, Ontario. I ended up moving to Toronto to follow my career 47 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.800 progression where I was living in this big metropolitan area. After eight to ten 48 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.719 years of living there, I was just really starting to find that I was 49 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.960 really missing out on a lot of the natural areas I was able to access 50 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:51.360 when I was living further south. So I was finding I was just seeking 51 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:53.680 more and more time away from the city, and I was really just craving 52 00:03:53.759 --> 00:04:00.439 kind of getting back to nature. So I started researching on a wildlife forum 53 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.960 hosted by a really wonderful guy that ended up being a very good mentor of 54 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:09.199 mine named Peter Smith. So I signed up on his forum that was called 55 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.000 the Ontario Wildlife Federation. There were a lot of tops of interests there, 56 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.040 and primarily he was involved in researching what we're thought to have been extirpated species 57 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.839 from Ontario, like cougars and things of that nature. There are a lot 58 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:26.879 of very interesting different threads on that forum. Some of the topics ranged very 59 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:31.759 much in the vernacular of all things bigfoot, some reports coming actually from an 60 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.560 area that was within an hour and a half drive of where I was living, 61 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:39.240 So that really piqued my interest and I reached out on a personal level 62 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.839 to Peter, who was a moderator. We started having a lot of private 63 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.120 conversations away from the forum and stuff like that, and we sussed each other 64 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.920 out. I guess he'd vetted me to a certain extent at that point we 65 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:54.439 thought he could trust me with some information. He started giving me some very 66 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:59.639 good detailed information about where it may be good places to start investigating. Because 67 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:05.160 I've alway had to baseline interest in the subject matter. My very first experience 68 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:10.480 was when I had gone ahead and traveled to this particular park system in southern 69 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:15.600 Ontario. He actually laid out this very what I thought was peculiar set of 70 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.199 instructions at the time. Because I come from a scientific background, I never 71 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:25.519 really put much or had much interest in kinds of the things that were not 72 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:30.879 as tangible as something I could physically see or touch. But he set me 73 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:35.240 up with this mentality and this mindset that when you were going to this area, 74 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:40.279 just put yourself in this mindset and be open to what you might experience. 75 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.160 And I was like, I've got nothing to lose, and I also 76 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.639 try it. I had an absolutely glorious fall day all to myself down there. 77 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.879 I had the day off and it was like a beautiful eighteen degree fall 78 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.360 day, beautiful colors. And this park system is a very large one. 79 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:02.000 It does get fairly significant fall foot traffic, but there are lots of interconnecting 80 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.839 paths of forests and stuff that connected to the large trail system. They're called 81 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:13.160 Bruce Trail system, which runs for hundreds of kilometers, so it's a natural 82 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.680 corridor for all kinds of wildlife to come in and out of. And this 83 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.000 park itself is very large and has a massive supply of abundant wildlife. It's 84 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:24.959 a Carolinian forest and has some very unusual floor and fauna in there that make 85 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.120 it quite unique. Anyways, so when I got there, the trail system 86 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:30.639 there that I planned to take would take me about six hours, is but 87 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:35.639 a six hour loop to complete. I put myself into this mindset that he 88 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:44.160 suggested, and he said, just make yourself just project this mindset of gratitude, 89 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.720 of openness, thankfulness that you are there and you're not there to cause 90 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:54.240 any harm, You're not there to intercede in anywhere. You're just there to 91 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:59.120 ingratiate yourself in the beauty of the region and open yourself up to any and 92 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:04.839 all signals that you may be in receivership of So I was like, okay, 93 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:11.279 I'll do that. And I would say within twenty minutes of initiating my 94 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:17.720 first leg of the trail system, I heard absolutely a very definitive knock just 95 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:23.040 off the trail system. I'm guessing probably about fifty to seventy five yards ahead 96 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:27.319 of me. As I'd been reading and researching on the forum, that was 97 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.600 my first introduction that possibly that could be possible indicator that there's an animal in 98 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.839 the area that might be alerting others to your presence. So the first time 99 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.040 I heard it, I was like, okay, there are woodpeckers did known 100 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.920 to have about the same park system, there owls or other animals that could 101 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.759 possibly be causing that. But as I continue to progress through the trail system, 102 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:53.360 I would say probably every twenty minutes, if not slowly longer in that 103 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.639 there would be another knock that would ring ou in front of me. That 104 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.360 continued for my entire trip through the park system. At one point when I 105 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.600 decided to take a break about halfway through, I decided to go off trail 106 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.240 a little bit, and there's this beautiful waterfall that you'd be able to access 107 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.759 without too much difficulty. So I thought I would just go down there. 108 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:13.720 And it was fairly muddy down there, and I thought it might be a 109 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.639 good place to go look for an odd track or two. When I ducked 110 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:22.680 down into this it was probably about a ten feet climbed down when I duck 111 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.879 down in this area. As soon as I got down into this little base 112 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:33.960 of this waterfall, I absolutely, indefinitively heard the sound of rock clattering, 113 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.240 like the sound of rocks being banged together, like not sharp smooth, but 114 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.279 like a constant cup tapping, like an arrhythmic pattern. And I was like, 115 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.960 Okay, I thought, maybe it's just maybe it's just rocks being washed 116 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.000 loose by the water coming down the fall whatever. But it kept happening, 117 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.799 and then I really started to have quite an intense feeling that I was being 118 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:58.960 watched. I know a lot of people who've figured they've been in proximity of 119 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.080 the animal that they get these potentially intense feelings being watched or sometimes fear. 120 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.440 I wasn't fearful. It was just the fact that I definitely felt I was 121 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.919 not alone, and that made me uncomfortable to the point where I needed to 122 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:18.360 proceed and move on. So after listening to that about I would say four 123 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.840 or five times, I'm like, Okay, this is not a coincidence. 124 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:26.279 There's something definitely making this happen. There's a repetitive pattern to it. And 125 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.159 I didn't really know the time what that meant. That's all for speculation, 126 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.440 but at that time I tailed it out of there and made my way down 127 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.679 the trail. By the time I lacked my way around it was, yeah, 128 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:41.919 roughly about six hours. But that was the most consistent episode of tree 129 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.519 knocking I've ever experienced. And there have been other occasions on other trips and 130 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.000 stuff where I've had similar experiences, but I've never heard it to that extent 131 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.399 on the first person point of view. I've been able to capture it on 132 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.039 audio orders and stuff, but it was amazing. Quite honestly, that was 133 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:05.200 my very first what I consider to be possible Sasquatch related incident that really a 134 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:09.039 book on me. And then when I had spoken with mister Smith about what 135 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.639 had happened, he was pretty reassuring that it's entirely possible that areas has a 136 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:20.000 longstanding history of reports and going back. When I certainly went back and I 137 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.759 looked at a map, a cam Well file that had a lot of the 138 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:28.759 earlier locations of previous reportings that that area had a large number of sightings with 139 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.559 over the past twenty five thirty years, and to this day it's still one 140 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:37.039 of our primary research sites and it is surprisingly close to large population centers, 141 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.919 yet it is a very fruitful research center for US, a research area for 142 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.480 US. So that was my first little foray into what kind of got me 143 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:50.960 involved in this type of research. I can relate some other events if you 144 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:52.080 like, or if you want to ask anything else, Yeah, let me 145 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.759 chim in here. That's something that I've heard so many times over the last 146 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.200 couple of years. Because I first got into this sub I used to think 147 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.240 it was and I've said it on the show so many times. You got 148 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.399 to be eight miles deep in the woods to have any kind of experience with 149 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.679 these things, because they are so far back into the woods. That's why 150 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.159 most people never see them. But the more that I've done this show and 151 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.879 the more that I've talked to people about their experiences, it seems they're more 152 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:22.240 on the periphery of major areas. In some cases where there's a huge population 153 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.039 of people, so that doesn't surprise me at all. But I do want 154 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.600 to talk a little bit about the knox that you heard in the rock clacking 155 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.639 before we move on, because sure, that's something that I wasn't really up 156 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.600 on. I'd heard people talk about tree knocks, and I honestly I thought 157 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.039 it was something made for TV. To be quite honest with you, I 158 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.720 thought it was something that was born on finding Bigfoot, because I've said that 159 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.960 on the show Pill many of the times before. It can be very boring 160 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.279 when you're running around in the woods at night, so they had to have 161 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.039 something. So they start yelling, they start screaming, and they start doing 162 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.879 tree knocks, right because it looks great on television. But the more that 163 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.279 I've gotten into the research and talk to people, it is a common occurrence. 164 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.600 I'd had experience here on the property. We'd heard some weird vocalizations, 165 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.039 but just until I don't know five months ago, had never heard anything that 166 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.240 even resembled a tree knock. And then I here four power knocks one night 167 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.320 at three o'clock in the morning. It was very distinct. I'd never heard 168 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.360 anything like it, and hadn't heard anything up until a certain point in the 169 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.440 beginning of October. It was something that stuck out to me because again I 170 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.399 live in an area where we're very remote here, but we're ten minutes from 171 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.159 town, so they roll up the sidewalks here. And this is like three 172 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.279 o'clock in the morning on a random Tuesday. So I knew nobody was up 173 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:43.159 banging on their house. Nobody's hammering on building something. It wasn't somebody shooting 174 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.960 off fireworks. It was nothing like I'd ever heard before until I was recently 175 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.399 up in BC, Canada last month at the beginning of the month on an 176 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:56.879 expedition with tide standing in the radium area, and we hear wood knocks during 177 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.879 the day. I interacted with these things on a couple of occasions, I 178 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.679 believe in the middle of the day, eleven o'clock in the morning till noon 179 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.639 one o'clock. They're very distinctive. We heard woodpeckers. There was woodpeckers in 180 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.240 the area. We heard them. I hear them here. We have them 181 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.919 on our property. We have those huge woodpeckers that make those extremely loud noises. 182 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.679 It's a completely different sound. Todd has this theory and Kyle and some 183 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.159 of the other people I was would have a theory that it's not a stick 184 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.960 on a tree, it's a rock on a tree. And when I heard 185 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:30.120 it there from just a one hundred yards away, I felt that as well. 186 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.519 I felt like that sounds more like a rock or something hitting a tree 187 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.080 versus picking up a big stick or even a bat or something hitting a tree. 188 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.480 Can you talk a little bit about what you were hearing? Was it 189 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.039 more the rock on wood kind of sound? Can you describe a little bit 190 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.720 more in detail what you were hearing As far as the woodknock, I would 191 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:52.279 say it sounded more kind of a tonality of the sound of a knock. 192 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.480 I think in that case it was more likely wood on wood, just the 193 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:00.399 timber of the resulting sound. I do understand what you're saying. I've heard 194 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:05.080 other instances too, where I've captured audio where it sounded perhaps more it was 195 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.120 something the heart to implement that was used on the tree. But then again, 196 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:15.200 one interesting point relating to that is I remember listening to report where somebody 197 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.039 who was saying that they were being shadowed out when they were on an investigation 198 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.360 and they were hearing knocks. As there are proceedings to the forest but what 199 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.120 was interesting is that they're saying the knocking sound was consistent in pitch and timber 200 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.960 and everything else, and that would be impossible to replicate if you're doing wood 201 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:35.440 on wood, because the density is of one tree to another, and the 202 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.519 stick or whatever implemented be carrying, especially as wood, would result in a 203 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.559 much greater variation to assume. So yeah, it's entirely possible they're using stones. 204 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:48.240 When I first started really getting into audio, which is something that I 205 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.840 started quite early for the same reason that a lot of the other researchers mentioned 206 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.039 is that they wanted to have something tangible to look at and take away from 207 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.960 their on site investigations. And one of the best video series that I've ever 208 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.559 watched was a lot of stuff that Christopher Nowell did where he especially was pointing 209 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.240 out and was demonstrating through Google Earth and stuff when he was living in is 210 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.639 I believe at that time he was living in Vermont, but he was showing 211 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.440 how he was even managing to find activity in these little tiny like one mile 212 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.159 by one mile pockets of forest, and he would go out there and camp 213 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.159 in nothing other than a sleeping bag and an audio recorder, and he was 214 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.519 capturing these incredible tree knocks and these incredible percussive sessions, and a lot of 215 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:39.240 them were very rhythmic in nature, and for me, I think it's more 216 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:46.200 believable that this tree knocking phenomenon is real because through fairly recent research and ongoing 217 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:52.080 research, it has been discovered and found that chipanzees and other primeates do the 218 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.799 same thing. They absolutely partake in drumming sessions. They're even intelligent enough, 219 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:03.600 especially hunting parties of Chenil, actually leave ground markers denoting the direction where if 220 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:07.879 they need reinforcements, if they're going to advantage an adjacent troop or something, 221 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.960 they're smart enough to do that. So god knows how much farther ahead in 222 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:17.240 the thought processes are potentially dig foot or sasquatch. And I did very much 223 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.360 enjoy your episodes with Todd Standing. They're very interesting. I've always had a 224 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:23.919 particular interest in what's been going out there in that part of Albert ever since 225 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:29.159 is documentary and from what it sounded like, he's putting together another one with 226 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:32.720 some further evidence that he's mannered to put together, So I look forward to 227 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.720 seeing that. Yeah, there's a lot more of that to come. I'm 228 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:40.399 still going through the audio trying to put together those episodes. There's plenty of 229 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:41.759 video as well that I took while I was up there. But one of 230 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:47.320 the interesting things that came out of that was talking to him about some of 231 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.759 the things that other people have experienced, interviewing other people that have been up 232 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:55.679 there in that area on expeditions with him experience in some of the various things 233 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.919 that I experienced. We heard what sounded like samurai chad or in the woods 234 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:06.440 nearby base camp. We heard whoops, we heard the tree knocks, just 235 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.799 all the things that people talk about when they talk about encounters. One of 236 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.480 the things I'm battling and we're certainly not going to go down the rabbit hole, 237 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.440 is how remote that area is and people they're coming out with there could 238 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.519 have just been people in the woods doing that. It wasn't sasquatch that you 239 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.200 were hearing. It was possibly people. Until you get out into these areas, 240 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.480 and I've certainly not been the area that you guys are researching in because 241 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.759 it's a completely different area, but I'm sure it's very similar in some areas 242 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.319 that are that remote. When you get out into that area, and it 243 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:38.799 goes back to what you were saying about the feeling that you were having. 244 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:42.799 We were having some activity go on, and we ended up taking a night 245 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:47.200 walk one night, and the feeling that I had then was very much like 246 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.119 you said. It wasn't necessarily a fear. It was more like adrenaline. 247 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.400 I was shaking uncontrollably because I felt like we were very close to something that 248 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.559 maybe we weren't supposed to be so close to. It's very difficult to describe 249 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.039 that feeling if you haven't been in that So when you were relating that story 250 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.680 and you had that feeling of being watched and having that feeling, it was 251 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.440 coming back to me because I just freshly experienced it less than a month ago 252 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.839 in the woods there. So let's talk about some of your other experiences. 253 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:17.519 I know that hasn't been the only thing that you've experienced out in the woods. 254 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.480 Let's talk about once you're getting out, you're doing the research, and 255 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.880 you're getting back out into the woods, what are the things have you experienced 256 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.960 with these creatures? Could relate a personal story of mine that I experienced on 257 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:33.880 my own. It was completely just a happenstance occurrence in an area that I 258 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.559 really had no predilection that there would even be anything in the area. I 259 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.680 thought further to the south. The area I'm referring to is called the Bruce 260 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.240 Peninsula, which runs up along Lake here on one of the Great Lakes, 261 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:49.680 and it's this vast peninsula that juts out. It's on either side of the 262 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:55.640 major highway that runs up there, primarily unexplored land. There are some cottages, 263 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.799 intermittent cotages and stuff along there, but it's still pretty wild. There's 264 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.480 a lot of various types of wildlife. There's a lot of rattlesnakes, bears, 265 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.880 all kinds of stuff. But anyways, I'd gone up there because off 266 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.759 the very very tip of that point of the peninsula there is a marine park 267 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.440 called Thotland five from marine Park, and because the water is so cold up 268 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:19.359 there, it's preserved a number of very old shipwrecks there amazingly well. And 269 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.359 I'm an avid diver. I was up there late in August, and I 270 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.880 was up there visiting a couple of friends who'd rented a cottage. Probably I 271 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.599 would say about a fifteen minute walk outside of a town called Tobermory, which 272 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:36.359 is a very beautiful picturesque little town at the tip of the peninsula that's really 273 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.920 popular for tourists and divers and stuff. I had spent the late afternoon and 274 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.720 evening hanging out with my friends down at the beach there at their cabin. 275 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:48.559 I knew I had to get up quite early the next morning to prep for 276 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.119 my dive. I had to be up around six o'clock, so I started 277 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.559 heading back well, Nash, I guess it's probably around ten thirty or whatever. 278 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:00.200 So I was walking back along this road that followed pretty much followed the 279 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:07.240 water's edge, and the little motel I stayed at was not even that far 280 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:10.960 out of town. I'm guessing maybe five minute walk. It was just a 281 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.160 little two level kind of mom and pop run hotel, nice little place at 282 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:19.960 a very large asphalt parking lot. There I probably was. I would estimate 283 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:27.359 maybe fifty feet deep by one hundred feet wide, good sized lot. And 284 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:32.039 stay tuned for more sasquatch out to sea. We'll be right back after these 285 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:37.359 messages. So when i'd come around the corner towards the end of my walk, 286 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.039 when I was getting back to my hotel, and as soon as I 287 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:45.839 rounded the corner, there was this big, large stand up oil oil barrel 288 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:52.680 drum garbage can that was placed I'm guessing maybe twenty five feet from the front 289 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:59.000 office that was sitting right on a concrete pad right beside the driveway, and 290 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.359 there was two spotlights that were back lighting that garbage can that were placed at 291 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:08.240 the basically attached to the bottom of the second floor, shining down over the 292 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.240 parking lot. And it is when I as soon as I came around that 293 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.920 corner, when I was starting walking towards my room, this large, huge, 294 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.400 black furry figure. I couldn't see its head yet, I couldn't see 295 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.480 its arms yet, but its head was and shoulders never more completely enscones inside 296 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.640 the barrels like rubbishing through this garbage can. But I could hear it like 297 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.279 just rustling through everything, and I'm looking at the backlet of it, and 298 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:38.519 the shoulders when they did come out, we were just massive. So as 299 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.960 I started walking towards it, I just froze, like after about maybe walking 300 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:45.680 five or six feet, and then the thing stopped rummaging, and it pulled 301 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.440 itself out and pulled its head and its shoulders out of the can, and 302 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:53.039 it realized it was spotted. It realized they'd been made right, and it 303 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:57.200 stood up. When it stood upright, the top of its head was just 304 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:03.000 below the light on the hanging off the second story, and its shoulders were 305 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.559 maybe, I don't know, maybe five six feet wide. It was massive. 306 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.519 Its chest and its back just blurret out so much of a light radiating 307 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:17.160 from the spotlight. And it stood there and it looked at me for a 308 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.559 second. I couldn't, unfortunately, couldn't see any detail on its face. 309 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.279 All I could see was the shape of its head and the widths and the 310 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:27.000 breadth of its shoulders and the bulk of its torso. And it sat there 311 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:32.359 and it looked at me for about two seconds. It wasn't thinking about what 312 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.079 it was doing. It wasn't sniffing the air like a bear would or anything 313 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:38.920 like that. And it bolted across that parking lot. I swear to God, 314 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.839 in the span of about a second and a half, it was gone 315 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:45.400 like that. You hear people say these things move like ninjas are their fast. 316 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.839 I've never seen anything move that fast in my life ever. So I 317 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:52.720 was taken aback. I was like, did I really just see what I 318 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.799 thought I saw? And I'm ruminating in my mind, what would a bear 319 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.200 have done? How would a bearer have reacted? And then it's and so 320 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.599 a bear would have probably would have stared me down a little bit more and 321 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.119 decided if it was going to stay and eat. It probably would have lingered 322 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.759 a little bit more. But this thing stood completely upright. Its arms were 323 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.599 draped down by its side, and I don't think there's any bear that would 324 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.039 remotely be that big, and it had the classic shape of a bigfoot right 325 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.519 because I could see just the outline if it's the space between its arms and 326 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.880 its torso, and I could see the arms hanging down. And then it 327 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.559 bolted like that it was gone, And I'm like, I don't know anything 328 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.920 that can move that fast. Anything. Yeah, for me, Like and 329 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:34.440 in there, I was like, oh my god, so probably never happened 330 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.880 again. Even if I do intendally go look for it, even if I'm 331 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.079 out looking for it all the time my spare time, I will likely never 332 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.240 see it again. Yeah. After me, I slipped over from wondering about 333 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.720 knowing to coming to a conclusion that if I'm right, if I in fact 334 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.559 I'm right, but based on all the sensory input I have, I can't 335 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:57.279 conclude that it was anything else, and I'm trying to be skeptical about it 336 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:02.400 myself. It blew me away. Yeah, I was blown away. I 337 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.119 was blown away by it, and I was just so taken a dot because 338 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.839 it was so unexpected. That's usually how it happens, right when you're not 339 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.039 looking for it. It's most likely when you're going to see it right. 340 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.880 That's exactly what everybody says. It's like the people who go out in the 341 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:17.039 woods and look for forty years and they never see a bigfoot, and then 342 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.079 somebody's driving along a highway and they almost hit it with the car because it 343 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.680 steps out in front of them. It's the craziest shit in the world. 344 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:27.319 Man, I cannot wrap my brain around it. These elusive creatures. You're 345 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:32.160 out doing research in remote areas, you're hearing wood knocks and having things go 346 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.240 on. But you literally walk around the corner and this thing's digging through a 347 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.880 trash can. And that's not the only story I've ever heard. One of 348 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:42.400 the most famous stories I've ever heard was this thing was digging through a trash 349 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:48.559 can outside of a casino out West. I can't even remember who told me 350 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.920 the story. It all seems to run together after a while. But again, 351 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.200 you're not deep in the woods. You're in an area where you would 352 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.960 not expect to see this thing, and then boom, there it is. 353 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.039 It's the craziest thing in the world. Talk a little bit about how you 354 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:06.640 got involved in seeking Ontario's bigfoot. I've been looking and poking around on the 355 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.039 website today. I'm seeing a ton of pictures of it. Looks like some 356 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.359 really cool tree structures and that stuff. So talk a little bit about what 357 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.799 that website is, what you guys are all about, and how you got 358 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:22.480 involved in that. Sure my pleasure. Really, this organization was born out 359 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:29.279 of the common mindset of the three primary founders who discovered each other through the 360 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:36.759 ONTARIOWFR, which is the previously mentioned wildlife research group that was established by mister 361 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:42.680 Peter Smith, and the name of that organization was intentionally used to direct attention 362 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:48.240 away from the fact that primarily it was a research group involved in bigfoot research. 363 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:53.680 But he didn't want to draw any unnecessary attention to the organization and perhaps 364 00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:00.559 bring any potentially negative attention or people have their preconceived ideas if they made their 365 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:06.640 own minds up about membership in such an organization, right. It was through 366 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:11.839 that organization and a couple group outings that were organized through the OWFR that myself, 367 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.519 Kevin Tracy, and John Paul Fournier met each other and we had our 368 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:22.759 first research outing together at a rather large provincial park. Yeah, we just 369 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.920 hit it off on a personal level. We all agreed that we needed to 370 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:32.200 start a chapter that was more centrally based out of southern Ontario because the other 371 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:37.079 organization had very strong representation in northern Ontario. However, there wasn't much representation 372 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.519 in the south. So at that point in time, we're like, we're 373 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:48.799 going to form our own organization and start concentrating on procuring membership and conducting research 374 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.359 closer to home essentially, and much to our surprise and much to our delay, 375 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:59.880 after a lot of research and a lot of conversations, the area's closest 376 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.519 to us, we're actually some of the most prolific investigative places to go and 377 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:11.839 conduct our research. So basically, a strong binding component of our organization is 378 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.680 one of legitimacies. As you can see if you go to our site, 379 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.440 which is Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot dot com, you can read our mandate and the 380 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.119 fact that we're trying to do is we're trying to work in cooperation with the 381 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:27.640 scientific community as best we can to bring further legitimacy to this subject matter and 382 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.519 hopefully once and for all, try to shine a light on the reality of 383 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.960 the existence of this animal. Basically, we're in it for helping to shine 384 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.799 a light on, hopefully on this discovery and protection. That's really what we're 385 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.880 all about. And I think what really a separates us maybe for some other 386 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:51.319 groups, is the fact that we really place a strong value on We have 387 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.079 a strict code of ethics and stuff that we require all members to sign off 388 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.799 on. We have non disclosure agreements, so we always make sure that, 389 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.319 for example, of the chain of custody for any evidence and stuff that we 390 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.200 were able to procure, it is kept in a very controlled and censored manner 391 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.079 because we want to be control of our message. You want to be controlled 392 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:12.960 of what we put out there. And we're not in it for any profiteering. 393 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.000 We're not in it for any type of monetization or selling a product or 394 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.799 anything like that. This is primer we're coming out of primarily from an interest 395 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.839 in science and an interest in technology too. One of the great things about 396 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.920 the time that we're living in as far as researchers go, is that a 397 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.759 lot of the technology we use has come down so much in price, and 398 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:38.400 we have access to incredible camera arrays, drones and all this technology just makes 399 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:44.720 it all the more interesting for us and hopefully all the more productive. Let's 400 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.960 talk a little bit about some of the evidence the photographs that you guys have 401 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:52.400 on the website. Here, it looks like some really intricate, really interesting 402 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.039 looking tree structures. I see what looks like an a on the ground here. 403 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.519 It looks like some maybe even some shelter. Can you talk a little 404 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.039 bit about some of the evidence that you guys are finding, because the tree 405 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.480 structures are something that we're again very prolific. When I was up in the 406 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.559 Radium area, we were seeing tons of tree breaks and I'm using my air 407 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.960 quotes here for those that are listening the tree breaks again, it was almost 408 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.359 like the tree knocks for me. Initially, when I got into this research, 409 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.839 I didn't know about the tree breaks, and I, frankly I still 410 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.000 don't. I've done a ton of research. I'm in the middle of writing 411 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.240 my book. I'm trying to get that done by the end of the month, 412 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.440 and I'm doing a lot of research on tree breaks and how those things 413 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.319 happen naturally. Are you guys finding the tree breaks in addition to some of 414 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.759 these tree structures. Can you talk a little bit about what you guys are 415 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.880 finding as far as evidence out there. I think one of the most interesting 416 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.880 aspects and one of the most interesting things that we seem to be finding on 417 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.599 a repetitive basis, and I think we're starting to piece together some patterns of 418 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.039 behavior, at least what we're seeing locally. I can't speak to that effect 419 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.920 if this is something that is seeing another part of our country or our country, 420 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:06.759 but as a general underlying theme, yes, I can go online and 421 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.880 find tree structures in Texas or Alabama, or Alaska or British Columbia. They 422 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.400 tend to look the same. And we've managed to break these various types of 423 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.799 structures down into a number of different categories. We actually have a companium of 424 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:26.160 images that we did put together and subclassify them and put together a series of 425 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.200 images that we can see. There's repetitive theme over and over again. Whether 426 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.799 there are symmetrical shapes, we continually see a pattern of an a almost like 427 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.000 an a shape, whether it's woven into a bush or a tree or lying 428 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.880 on the ground, it seems to be a repetitive theme. We don't really 429 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.920 know what it means. Some of the more interesting things we've noticed, especially 430 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.039 it tends to revolve around our camera arrays and our camera traps that we have 431 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.359 set out. So one interesting thing that we've noticed on a number of occasions 432 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.519 is that when we're going up to service the camera, on a number of 433 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:06.519 occasions, we've actually managed to find like little piles of rocks stack stones on 434 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:11.519 opposite sides. Basically it as far wide as which the camera ray would be 435 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:18.119 able to see. What we think these piles of stones are their demarcentations stating 436 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.720 I'm purely applying my line of thought here, I'm drawing my own conclusions. 437 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.759 But we've seen this a few times where they're placing rocks denoting the very outside 438 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.839 extent of where the camera can see, almost as if do not go within 439 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:37.200 this area, stay clear of this, walk around behind it. And similar 440 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:42.359 to that, we've also found on a lot of occasions we've seen small branches 441 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:47.839 broken into like the shape of a divining rod, which has it almost looks 442 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.640 like an why with an extended lower portion of it invertedly placed on branches on 443 00:31:52.759 --> 00:32:00.440 opposite opposite sides where the cameras are, so another pretty subtle visual. But 444 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:07.400 again these things Christopher Nowell makes these amazing connections, thinking that perhaps they have 445 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:13.720 an identic memory of their environment that they essentially can almost take a mental picture 446 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:19.160 of everything in their territory, and anything that's remotely out of place, they 447 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:24.920 will notice it immediately. So their ability to detect normalists objects or changes in 448 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.839 their environment is something I think they absolutely have the ability to do. These 449 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.319 are things that we've noticed with our camera traps. Other things we've noticed are 450 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.759 absolutely on a lot of the ridgelines and stuff that we believe that they're traversing, 451 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.880 whether they're accessing additional seasonal food sources. We tend not to rely so 452 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.799 much on breaks as we do twists, so we see a lot of instances 453 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:53.119 where these branches will have been grabbed and then a strong amount of torque would 454 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:59.920 have been applied to it to literally twist the branches either ninety degrees one hundred 455 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.119 eighty degrees, usually less, but you can see literally where it looks like 456 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.079 if you've ever seen wrought iron bar on a decor of wrought iron bar on 457 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:12.119 a piece of patio or something like that where it's been twisted, clearly like 458 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:16.400 that. But the width of these branches that have been twisted are well away 459 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.039 beyond anything a human could do. And we're talking with places where there's no 460 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.039 machinery getting in there. It's just not And what we could literally follow a 461 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:30.720 line of these going along like every I would say, we found consecutive lines 462 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.240 of them about twenty five twenty to twenty five yards apart, and a continuous 463 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.680 line all pointing in the same direction. They'd be twisted over twisted and all 464 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.559 pointing in the same direction. So what that indicates we don't know. Are 465 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.440 they saying stay on this side, don't go on that side, or go 466 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:51.640 on that side. We're still trying to figure that out. But what's amazing 467 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.200 is the consistency of the manipulations in the environment that they do. They're absolutely 468 00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:00.200 leaving clues for each other. It's just for us to try to decide for 469 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.640 what they mean. It's all open to interpretation. We come across and we've 470 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.519 actually even put together a little book. Can I mention a little booklet that 471 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.280 we put together people after we made a compendium of all these different types of 472 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.079 structures that we've seen all across the province, we put together a little ebook 473 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.400 that's available on Amazon if anybody's interested, and basically it's an outline of the 474 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.920 different structures that we found and there's a probably i would say eight to ten 475 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.719 examples in each subcategory. So we have them broken down into like teepee structures, 476 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:36.199 glyphs, miniature glyphs. So we have these photographs of these little tiny, 477 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.760 like the most intricately created little small like some of these structures are only 478 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:45.000 even eight twelve inches tall, but clearly they're not been made by hands. 479 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.920 There's no way that they could have fallen into this. Literally you'll have a 480 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.559 little tiny log with all these little ribs sticking up against it and then braces 481 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:58.199 extending vertically at the bottom of it. It's really quite amazing. So we're 482 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.840 always looking out for structures. That's something that helps us substantiate and will document 483 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.639 them, and we try to go back and we may manipulate them slightly to 484 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.719 see if that invokes any change whether they come back and but a back the 485 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.880 way it was, and a lot of times if we made a change, 486 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.039 we come back like a week later and it's completely gone. They've torn it 487 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.760 right down. We've even't had numbers of like urinated on them, just to 488 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.320 see what would happen, right, And when that happens, the structures ripped 489 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.920 down, like almost immediately. The next time we're there, it's gone. 490 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.960 What does that mean again? Right? Are they territorial markers? Do you 491 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.400 guys see a lot of that stuff down where you are, like down south? 492 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.400 I'm sure you must. There are things that we found here on the 493 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.920 property that I can't explain. Weird structures, teepee like structures, of course, 494 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.480 some of the tree breaks. There's areas where trees are propped up on 495 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:53.119 other trees, woven behind trees, stuck between trees. There's no root ball 496 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:59.039 for these trees. They were brought from whatever area they came from initially. 497 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.880 Weird stuff like that. Again, I saw the same thing up in the 498 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.599 radium area. I'm just scratching my head. We found that one structure on 499 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.920 the day before the last day of our expedition. There's this four hundred year 500 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:16.280 old Douglas fir with these three huge, eighty foot tall trees that were on 501 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.480 three sides of it. They were literally touching at the top, and there's 502 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.320 no rootball for them. They were placed there. They were picked up off 503 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.760 the ground and placed on this tree. It just baffles me. And again, 504 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:29.960 like you said, why in the hell if it is a sasquatch, 505 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.760 why are they doing it? You wrap your brain around the fact that it 506 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.800 wasn't a person, It didn't fall that way, so you get to the 507 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.000 conclusion of I have to say it's possible that a sasquatch did it, And 508 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.199 then I'm scratching my head, going, why in the hell would they do 509 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.679 that? I don't get Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you guys 510 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.920 mentioned in that episode that somebody had taken a compass reading and two of the 511 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.039 tree is plaiting like dead north and dead south. So yeah, again, 512 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.880 like, how would they do that? Even if in a general direction, 513 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.559 I can say that's north, but I mean, I'm gonna be a little 514 00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:00.960 bit off that's south. I'm going to be a little bit off. These 515 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:07.000 things were dead on spot on north and south, no question about it. 516 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.480 And then the other one was like southeast, which didn't really make a whole 517 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.239 lot of sense to me, But who knows. Why it was placed there. 518 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.440 If it is a Sasquatch, it probably made perfect sense to them to 519 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.119 do whatever they were doing with it. Have you ever heard of any any 520 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:24.000 relation to them orientating themselves to like mad magnetic lay lines, Like I've heard 521 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:30.119 some kind of far out theories that I know. They say UFOs have a 522 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.880 tendency sometimes to follow lay lines. But I've also heard the similar thought processes 523 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.159 about bigfoot, Like some people haven't claimed that's why they're so attractive power lines 524 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.480 too, Like maybe there's some maybe they're able to draw some of the energy, 525 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.039 some ambient energy out of those lines or something. Or I know, 526 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.880 it makes sense to follow them as a corridor because most often the power lines 527 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.039 they're cutting other side, so it's a very easy travel corridor, very good 528 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.960 place to ambush deer or whatever. But same thing, like there's a lot 529 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.400 of speculation that they're drawing to energy source and stuff too, But again, 530 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.239 like how do you prove something like that? It's just we probably never will, 531 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.519 I know. You guys also take reports. Have there been any reports 532 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.119 that have stuck out to you? Maybe not your own personal experiences or maybe 533 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.039 even people that you know, but are there any reports that you've taken maybe 534 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:20.280 encounter stories that have really stuck out to you in the area that may be 535 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.440 unique to that area. Yeah. Actually I was surprised to find this report 536 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.760 at all, but it actually goes back to nineteen seventy six, and it 537 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.280 turned out it's in the same region that we've been investigating for four years now, 538 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.320 and that was just when I read this report, I was like, 539 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.880 this is just so fantastical, it's hard to believe. But at that time 540 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.280 there wasn't all the huge chat rooms and that I think it was a lot 541 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.599 less likely to probagate a story like that. This is probably taken from a 542 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.199 police report or something originally and then it was posted later. So apparently, 543 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.400 and I'm not a big proponent of the UFO Bigfoot connection. I'm not. 544 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.239 I'm open minded, but that would take some real convincing of my part. 545 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.480 Unsts they literally saw Bigfoot being so up in a tractor beam or something I 546 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:06.000 have a hard time believing. But anyways, this report revolves around something just 547 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.480 like that. Apparently it was a young brother and sister that were exploring this 548 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.000 provincial park, and I believe the boy was around fifteen and the sister was 549 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.440 around thirteen, and they were hiking in this park and it was just on 550 00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.119 the onset, just past the breaking point of dusk, and it just was 551 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:28.760 just on the onset of darkness. And they were walking back to the parking 552 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.639 lot to go get back on their bikes. Apparently they'd locked up there or 553 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.679 something. And they're walking back and they're looking up in the sky and they 554 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.039 noticed this very bright light in the sky coming down closer and closer. It 555 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.320 wasn't coming towards them, per se, but it was just covering down, 556 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:50.400 coming down from a much more elevated location, and they saw this large purple 557 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.599 beam that was being projected down onto the ground. And they're looking at it 558 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.079 from a fair distance away. It sounds like the way they're describing it, 559 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.280 they're probably like one hundred yards away or something that and then they're watching this. 560 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.400 What they described is the thing they saw in that episode of the six 561 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.360 million Dollar Man. There was an episode of The six dollars six million dollar 562 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.559 Man. Going my way back where Bigfoot was is in one of those episodes, 563 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.679 and I guess that's where the kids saw this caricature or whatever. And 564 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.159 they said, that's what looked like this thing was being dragged up or vacuumed 565 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.159 up through this beam of light into the ship. And stay tuned for more 566 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:34.079 sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah, it was 567 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.840 all like very quiet. There was no noise, The ship was perfectly solid. 568 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.880 Once it was tractored up into the ship, the thing just took right 569 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.400 off and that was it. And we were talking to the young kids. 570 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:50.960 And kids have great imaginations, they do, but that seems really specific to 571 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.599 me, and that seems like such a highly unusual combination of ingredients for a 572 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.800 story for kids at that age. I'm not even sure if in Search of 573 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.280 was out yet or anything like that. How much Bayfoot was part of vernacular 574 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.760 back then, Probably not very much at all. But for kids to come 575 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.760 up and fuck destroyer like that is just that's a stretch for me. Yeah, 576 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.480 that's wild man. So I want to go back to something you said 577 00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.679 earlier on. I made some notes as you were talking. You mentioned the 578 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.440 mindset that Peter Smith had told you to go into the woods with. So 579 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.840 I want to touch on that a little bit because as I was making the 580 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.079 note, I thought that sounds familiar to me because I've had conversations with other 581 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.000 people who do that very thing. Wayne and I just recorded an episode of 582 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:35.239 that Bigfoot podcast recently and we were talking about it on there that we both 583 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.239 do that. We actually released that. As we're talking today on that Bigfoot 584 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.840 podcast, we were talking about woo and telepathic communication, Bigfoot mine speak, 585 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.960 and those kind of things. When you said the right mindset going in, 586 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.760 Wayne and I both openly admitted that we talked to Bigfoot when we go into 587 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.559 the woods. I've done it with UFOs. I have put that out there 588 00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.400 with experiences I've had earlier on in life and then later in life where you've 589 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.519 had some weird lights and other things go on over the property that I think 590 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.840 maybe related to UFOs. I put it out there into the universe. I 591 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.360 think manifestation is a powerful thing, no matter what you're talking about. Talk 592 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.519 a little bit about that. Is that something that somebody would consider who as 593 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:20.639 far as your approach to going into this or is it more about just manifesting 594 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.159 those kind of feelings and thoughts as you go into the woods looking for these 595 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.320 things. Good question. We had this discussion in our organization about two years 596 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.199 ago, where at that time we were having a serious conversation about we should 597 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:37.119 split up into two distant groups. We should have one that's purely science based. 598 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.719 Let's work on conditioning the animal to our presence. Let's make ourselves as 599 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:47.280 predictable as possible. Let's condition the animal with inserting even fake cameras into their 600 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.199 areas so they get acclimated to them, at which point we'll swap them out 601 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.519 later with the real thing. You know, because essentially our membership was split 602 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.360 up in those two mindsets anyways. One was very dedicated to pursuing purely as 603 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:05.000 scientific and the other half was very curious about the other possibilities, in the 604 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:10.119 possibility of perhaps being able to elicit a response based on what it is we're 605 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.920 projecting mentally. That was a discussion we had, and I thought it would 606 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.400 have been a very interesting experiment to see who would have gotten better results. 607 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.480 Right, We were going to do that. We were going to have half 608 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.760 work group go out and conduct some night vigils and stuff, doing that projecting 609 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:31.920 some positivity, projecting some willingness for contact, perhaps playing some very soothing instruments, 610 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.880 anything to elicit interest, and in the end we were going to see 611 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.480 who came out on top. Came out on top, but whose results proved 612 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:45.400 to be more effective. Unfortunately, that never came to pass. Unfortunately, 613 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.960 with COVID and everything that happened to shut everything down for everybody, we never 614 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.599 really did it. We never really were able to conduct that experiment. But 615 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.639 I think it's definitely something we'd still like to do. I think it's absolutely 616 00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.800 worthwhile trying, because I know Less Stroud in one of his episodes. I 617 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.800 think it was the one when he was down Monopolysia, when he was sitting 618 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.880 in the woods by himself, and I believe it's towards the end of the 619 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.440 episode where he was saying he was feeling rather spooked and stuff. I think 620 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.800 after he'd finished going through the cemetery or whatever. But later on he professed 621 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.280 that he'd had absolutely a mind speaking episode with a Sasquatch at that time that 622 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.159 she just didn't feel comfortable releasing at the time. And I don't know if 623 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:30.639 he's ever actually really officially admitted to it in an episode, but that's what 624 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:35.760 I've heard, so I think it's truly you said. I think manifestation is 625 00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.000 a huge part of anything. I think, how do you explain precognition? 626 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.760 How do you explain a lot of these things? Right? I had pret 627 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.559 cognition of a message I got yesterday, like three hours before I got it, 628 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.960 and it was exactly the message I literally saw in my mind before I 629 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.599 even got it, and I can't explain how it even happened. Yeah, 630 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.880 have you ever? Are you aware of any groups that really concentrate on that 631 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.079 type of that type of tactic too to conduct the research? Is there anyone? 632 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.960 I think most people go out it from heard science, and I think 633 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.280 most of us don't catch as much as maybe we could, or aren' as 634 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.719 successful as we possibly could. I don't know any groups that really concentrate on 635 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:21.119 that other than Todd standing Todd and Ashley Big into the mind speak and the 636 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.960 telepathic communication with Sasquatch. And I'll be honest, the first person that really 637 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.079 made me look at it twice was less Less Stroud. I had Less on 638 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.000 the show and Less talked about I think he shared with me at least three 639 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.960 times he had some sort of a mind speak Oh is that right? Situation? 640 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:43.320 And he said he doesn't even like the word. He actually said to 641 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.760 me on the show. Let's not call it mind speak, Let's call it 642 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.880 what it is. It's telepathic communication, it's selecto. So if we believe 643 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:55.280 that could happen in science with people having that connection, why is it not 644 00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:00.320 possible for Bigfoot and people to have that connection? Now he was about a 645 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.280 half a bottle of wine when we had this conversation. I can ask the 646 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.320 obvious question, what did they say? The one that stuck out to me 647 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:13.480 was he was in a situation where he was out by himself. He had 648 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:19.400 a mind speak telepathic communication with a sasquatch saying if you want to meet us, 649 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.920 stay. He wasn't ready, so he left and he said no, 650 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.480 thank you. And he still kicks hisself in the ass every day because he 651 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.760 says, now, looking back, I wish I had stayed, but I 652 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:35.199 didn't because I wasn't ready at that point. And again, it was probably 653 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.320 two other situations he told me about. Less is not a bullshitter, right, 654 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.679 He's not somebody that was going to bullshit me about his situation. And 655 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.280 I don't think he's crazy, So I don't think it was his own voice 656 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.360 that he heard. I think he had something going on. It's a bridge 657 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.360 too far from me in a lot of ways, because I haven't experienced that 658 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.519 myself. I talked about it openly when I was up there with Todd and 659 00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.119 Ashley and those guys. They were working on it instantly. They were working 660 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.880 on meditation. There was a couple of times when we actually went out into 661 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:07.280 the woods as a group and individuals and we meditated to have that sort of 662 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.920 connection. And we try to do that here on the property of have a 663 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:15.159 connection with nature and grounding and taking your shoes off and grounding with the earth. 664 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:21.079 I think that's a very powerful thing. They're having experiences that I didn't 665 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:25.599 have. Todd has had what he believes to be precognition experiences with sasquatch. 666 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.239 He believes that he can mind speak with them and they mind speak with him. 667 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.480 I don't knock it. I've said it before, you know, if 668 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.400 that's his experience, and I can tell you people who think he's bullshitting, 669 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.679 if you spend seven days with him in the woods like I did, you 670 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.559 can see he's one hundred percent serious about it. Now, it may be 671 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.119 nothing. It could be a nothing burger, and he's not experienced in anything 672 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:52.239 outside of his own brain. But whatever the experiences are, he believes that 673 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:57.400 they're happening. So it's just something I can't I can't wrap my head around 674 00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.079 because I haven't had those experiences. I'm open to it. I'm just more 675 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.440 of a nuts and bolts kind of OCAM's razors approach to the situation. So 676 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:07.360 I want to know what I can hear, what I can smell, what 677 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.519 I can see for sure, those kind of things. But again, when 678 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.880 you have somebody like Less, we're talking for an hour and he's telling me 679 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.320 these experiences he had, and then you layer it on top of other people 680 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.079 that I trust, that I believe are sharing real experiences. Maybe there's a 681 00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.119 there. I don't know, but I think it's a very interesting thing, 682 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.039 and I think it's very smart to open yourself up and at least be open 683 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:35.199 to the conversation when you're doing a research group like that. Very much like 684 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.400 you were talking about doing do the nuts and bolts thing. But I've said 685 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:43.159 it before, We've been doing nuts and bolts for fifty to sixty years and 686 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.119 we're nowhere exactly they were no further at the we word like the late sixties, 687 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.079 right, really, so you really need to start opening up your mind. 688 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.519 Who knows if that stuff works, then so be it. I'm all 689 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:55.920 for it. I want to be proven wrong. Maybe mine speak is the 690 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.679 thing, and maybe that's the way to reach the Sasquatch. We just haven't 691 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.920 gotten there yet because nobody's really doing that. Who knows, Maybe none of 692 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.679 it's right. You got to think, if there are two people who are 693 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:15.360 more in tune with themselves than probably Less and Todd, who spent probably more 694 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.920 time in more remote places than anybody I could think of, surely they're in 695 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.239 control of their own thought processes. I don't see that being manifestation of self 696 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.199 induced delirium or something like that. To be able to survive in the environments 697 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.880 that they have takes such mental discipline. I don't see that being manifestation of 698 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:37.199 themselves. I think maybe they're just more into Maybe they're just developed this amazing 699 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.400 antenna from spending so much time in nature. Maybe that's just something that takes. 700 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.199 Yeah, because everybody that I've really had a conversation outside of people that 701 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:52.000 are just really out there that claim to have some sort of a telepathic communication 702 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.079 situation with Bigfoot, have been just that. It's been Less. He was 703 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.119 really the first person that I had a conversation with about that that really he 704 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.519 piqued my interest and said maybe I need to start taking a look and be 705 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.960 open minded about that. That was one of the things he challenged me to 706 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.719 do is be more open minded, So I did. Then I had a 707 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:14.400 conversation a few months later with Todd for the first time he started talking about 708 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.679 it. And then I go up and spend time in Radium and Ashley, 709 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.519 his girlfriend and research partner. Her Instagram handle I think is nature Infused. 710 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:30.639 She is one of the mostly empathic, grounded into the earth kind of individuals 711 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.880 that I've ever met. And again, she's very empathy, and she claims 712 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.400 to have these sort of connections with Bigfoot. So either they're all batshit crazy 713 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:43.679 or there's something to the connection with nature right, And I don't think they're 714 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.719 crazy. I think there is a there that I just haven't been able to 715 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:51.880 tap into for whatever reason. Maybe I'm just so ingrained in the flesh and 716 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.559 blood that I'm not open to it enough to accept it at this point, 717 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.800 I don't know. And then it could all be bunk them. If sasquatch 718 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.639 doesn't exist, then you're and I'm crazy, and everybody who says they've ever 719 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:05.599 seen one as crazy. But at the end of the day, I think 720 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.199 I have to keep my mind open to it, and I love to be 721 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.880 wrong. I'm one of those proved me wrong kind of people, and I'm 722 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.039 not going to keep beating the same drum. I'm going to be right there 723 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.159 with you. If you prove I'm wrong and telepathic communication with a bigfoot is 724 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.519 a thing, then I'm going to be right there singing your praises if you're 725 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.559 the one who figures that out and pushes the research down the field, Because 726 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.199 it's really to me, it's all about the answers, and I don't really 727 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.039 care how we get there. I just want the answer exactly. Let's talk 728 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.480 about the website. I'm going to link to everything in the show notes for 729 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:37.559 everybody go check out Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot dot com. I will link to the 730 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:42.280 ebook as well on Amazon for you guys to check out and talk about the 731 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.039 YouTube channel. What can people expect when they go over and check you guys 732 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:50.119 out on YouTube? So our YouTube channel, basically, we're just a lot 733 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.119 of it is. We're just taking you along for a seven to ten minutes 734 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:57.360 walk along with us. In some cases are there. Sometimes we're just going 735 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.920 through and explaining the finance that we've had on particular field heading. What we're 736 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:06.199 doing is we're putting what we find out there for people to consume at their 737 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.920 discretion. And what we always emphasize is you make up your own mind. 738 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.559 You decide if what has validity in your mind or not. We're not pushing 739 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.800 a narrative, we're not pushing merchandising or anything like that. We're just sharing 740 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.039 what we find with the general public, and that's really what we're about. 741 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:23.800 We're just trying to push the ball down on the field and we've just had 742 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.639 some pretty interesting observations. We made some pretty interesting discoveries, some usual structures 743 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:34.320 that mimic. For example, in one video we have we're making a comparison 744 00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:42.039 between some structures that we find that are immediately adjacent to the backyard the backyards 745 00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.960 of a number of houses long a servine system, and we found this structure. 746 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:52.519 I was within visual range of this jungle gym in this person's backyard. 747 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.880 It was made out of this cross sections of that have been well together and 748 00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.599 stuff like that, and kind of a geodesic dome shape. And when we 749 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:04.159 looked at the structure that we'd found, it's wow, this is actually amazing. 750 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.800 This is a striking resemblance of that structure in that backyard. Are they 751 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:13.559 actually mimicking what they're seeing? And then as we continued down on this trail 752 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.519 system towards the end of the evening, we'd found another very interesting example at 753 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.719 the end of a just within the end of the dead end street that was 754 00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.639 backing on this massive ravine system. Similar thing, all of these sticks that 755 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:31.639 have been bowed over and pulled over and interwoven into this definitely not a naturally 756 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.519 occurrent shape, absolutely not. And then sure enough, like there was a 757 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.599 house under construction at the end of the street and in the front there was 758 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.239 a big hollowood that I was sitting that was in a very similar pattern, 759 00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.960 And I'm like, monkey, see monkey, do really are are they trying 760 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:51.559 to show us? Are they trying to communicate with us? Are we're trying 761 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.280 to say, hey, look, I see what's going on there? Can 762 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.920 you see what's going on here? Or I don't know, It's just it 763 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.599 was an interesting parallel that it was just an interesting parallel that we actually came 764 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.280 across one day and it was like, wow, that's interesting. Let's just 765 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.679 put that on our channel to what other people think. Yeah, we have 766 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.440 a pretty compelling Probably the most one of the most recent videos they put up 767 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.119 was this picture that we managed to capture in Pennsylvania. We not only have 768 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:22.199 investigative sites in Ontario, but we have what we strongly suspect is a habituation 769 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:28.360 site in Pennsylvania. And we've been monitoring this really lovely families property in rural 770 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:34.800 Pennsylvania for about three years now, and they've had an individual that seems to 771 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.599 regularly transgress on their property on an ongoing basis, like everything from peeking in 772 00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:45.880 through their windows that are at that time, to banging on their trailer out 773 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.840 front, to building structures on the rear side of their property. They actually 774 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.599 had another track to land beside them that they were clearing out. They had 775 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:59.679 hired actually a bunch of Mennonites to come in with their horses to come in 776 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.880 and cl the dead wood and the dead heads out of this property because they 777 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:06.880 wanted to clear it out. And within three days of them going in there, 778 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.159 the horses refused to go back into that track of land and they were 779 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.440 like, we can't do this job for you. Our horses are terrified of 780 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.119 something in there. They won't go in there. And these are big draft 781 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:20.840 horses, like they've never seen anything like it. They've never seen this ever 782 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.280 happen before. The animals they were just dumbfouted, but they're like our horses 783 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:28.760 simply refused to go in there. And this was the property that was like 784 00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.760 abutted right up against this familial property. The owner of the house happened to 785 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:37.400 capture that picture in twenty twenty two on their cell phone. They were sitting 786 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:42.079 out in the backyard and this animal passed by. I don't know if you 787 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.760 can see it, but it looks like upright animal in profile right you can 788 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.199 actually almost see like a cheap bone, a jaw line. It's the best 789 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:55.159 photographic evidence we've been able to get so far. I think it's a pretty 790 00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.400 compelling picture myself, but I definitely agree. I watched the video a couple 791 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.559 of days ago, and I will link to that on the blog. If 792 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.679 you guys want to see the video, I'll link directly to the YouTube channel. 793 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:08.920 You can head over to Panamoral Productions dot com. Check that out on 794 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:13.440 the Sasquatch outa Sea blog. It's a pretty compelling video that kind of breaks 795 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.880 down what's been going on the property and then it just culminates with that particular 796 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.719 picture. I'm looking at it now. It's definitely compelling. Man. I 797 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.360 wish it was higher resolution, but it was an old Samsung camera. But 798 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:28.480 still there's pretty good. He can certainly make out some potentially some facial detail 799 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.159 and a profile, right, It's not conclusive, but it's definitely compelling, 800 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:36.920 that's for sure. Yeah. Oh, actually, we just actually got another 801 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:42.079 photo recently where there's also a very similar profile standing on their front porch. 802 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.559 They just put up a bunch of Christmas lights and stuff like that under their 803 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.000 front on it in the front of their house, and there's this great, 804 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.159 big profile there looking towards their front door, and all you can see is 805 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:59.159 from the shoulders up, but it's massive. One of the co founders stood 806 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.840 in the same location, or that was standing, and he's either six one 807 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:04.639 or six too, and he's a big guy, and this thing just warsome. 808 00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.280 So we're really hoping to get lucky with that location. We have some 809 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:14.480 long term audio recorders called Audio Models that we bought from a UK based Just 810 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:20.119 Scientific basically developed this whole line of inexpensive audio gear for long term audio recording 811 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.280 to enable a wildlife biologists to buy reasonably price geared to do long term surveys, 812 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.119 which is just amazing. So we have one of those running down on 813 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.840 there, and we have camera systems running down there, so we're hoping to 814 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.639 capture something better yet, but damn interesting photo that it is. Man, 815 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.960 David, I really appreciate you stopping by and giving us the time that you 816 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:42.000 gave us and sharing your experiences. Had a blast talking to you, ma'am. 817 00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.400 Thanks Man, I really appreciate it was a lot of fun for me. 818 00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:45.920 And I have to say it, I'm fairly recent to your show, 819 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.440 maybe about two months ago, but I've gone back and I've listened the whole 820 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.599 catalog and I really enjoy it. You're definitely one of the best ones out 821 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:58.440 there. For sure. They say you don't have a go, but you 822 00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:30.239 can't stay, and I don't want to be the world happen Si Chid, 823 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:37.079 this child, that child everything. Can you ride back, ride back? 824 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:59.639 And the joy for me enjoy staying right there, come in right away. 825 00:58:52.760 --> 01:00:00.239 Still stays ss st st st st stas still games still stssssssstssss m