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Hi Bermelda. Going back in history, I doubt John F. Kennedy would

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have been elected in nineteen sixty unless
his dad worked things out with the mayor

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of Chicago to make sure enough votes
were put in the ballot box so that

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Richard Nixon would not win the state
of Illinois. And when George Bush won

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in two thousand, of course he
was selected, not elected. He wasn't

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legitimate, and went through years and
years the Democrats complaining constantly about Bush.

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Forty three we have, of course, Stacy Abrams is still thinking she's the

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governor of Georgia, and she gets
a complete free pass on that. So

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when Trump was elected in twenty sixteen, the Democrats, especially those running the

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FBI and the CIA, and also
the PISA Court and the Pisa AFFI David,

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they went after Trump with hoax and
claws for years to keep him from

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being effective as president. But he
still did a pretty damn good job.

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A new book is out Sacred Trust, Election, Integrity, and the Will

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of the People by US Congressman been
there about eight years, retired a year

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or two ago. Jody heis and
he's one of the founding members of the

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House Freedom Caucus, which is a
great group, and the forward is by

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my good friend, the great Ken
Blackwell and Jody Heist. Welcome, I

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think for the first time to the
Bill Cunningham show. Your book is very

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appropriate in these times because of what's
happening with this particular election. But tell

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the American people why does election integrity
matter? And if it fails, that

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is an awful thing for the United
States of America. Oh, Bill,

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what has said? First of all, it's an honor to be with you,

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and you know, listen, Ken
Blackwell as an awesome man. I'm

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glad you know him well. Well, Listen, Our entire system of governance

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rest upon the consent of the governed. If there is no government, if

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it is not given to them by
the people, not the other way around.

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And therefore, in fact, that's
the reason for the title. This

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whole issue of election integrity is a
sacred trust. It is something that is

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a civic dude, a civic responsibility
and privilege that we have. It must

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be protected at all costs, both
by the voters as well as by our

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government. And if ever that falls
apart, and Bill, we are in

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massive trouble. Well, we've got
enough problems taking place in our country already.

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I mean, you look at the
border, you look at the economy,

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whatever it is. But I don't
know that there is anything more important

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than election integrity. If the will
of the people at the ballot box has

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ever compromised or lost, then it's
Katie Barbador. Where do we go from

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there? If we, as the
citizens of this country don't have the right

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to control who's going to represent us
by doing so at the ballot box,

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Jody Heist. The Constitution says the
state legislature set the rules and regulations for

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means and manner of elections. It's
not done by other entities. When I

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have on various state secretaries of state, they will tell you that, for

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example, Ohio and Iowa, and
Texas and Florida have a functional election system,

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while states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan
do not. Let me explain.

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As you may know, in the
Pennsylvania the counties elect their own election leaders

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by ballot and most of the states
is a Secretary of State electas state wide.

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But in Pennsylvania, each county selects
the person in charge, and so

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because of the pandemic, rules were
put out by these various county officials that

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had different rules in different counties in
twenty twenty because of the pandemic, and

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because of that, there was a
great concern about the integrity the ballot with

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dropboxes, no signature of verification,
no citizenship verification, etc. Is that

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what you're talking about. Yeah,
I mean, I don't go down to

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the county level, but yeah,
this is exactly Bill what got me involved

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in this whole issue. I did
not go to Congress with this being a

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major issue on my radar, but
I was a senior member of the Oversight

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Committee right in the middle of that
thing when the pandemic came. In fact,

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it was the week after the first
case in the United States of COVID.

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The very next week, the Democrats
held a hearing dealing with the need

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that we're going to have to address
this upcoming pandemic at the ballot box.

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And then week after week after week
after week, as a whole series,

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one hearing after another where they were
literally attempting to federalize elections, take it

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away from the state, federalize it, and then try to force states to

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implement such policies as you just mentioned, and many of them did, so

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that we have everything from ballot harvesting, the mailing ballots live ballots to everyone

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on the inaccurate voter files, to
sending ballot requests to the voting voter file,

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no voter idea, all these things
started to fall in place, and

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COVID was the excuse of it all. And being a part of that battle

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and the Oversight Committee, this is
when it first came on my radar.

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And then at the same time,
they started talking about massive voter suppression across

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the United States, and as exhibit
A, they used Georgia, which is

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my home state, and I knew
that was a false claim, and so

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I started getting more and more and
more involved in the issue, both from

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the COVID perspective and what they were
making allegations against Georgia. And then I

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just kind of became a leading voice, certainly from our state on this issue

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and in many regards, one of
the leading voices in Congress on election integrity

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when the issue was dealt with in
various states. I often hear the radical

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left and especially so called news personnel
like NPR. We know what their political

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bias is because of the comments of
a senior editor, but also ABC,

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NBCCBS, etc. They keep saying
that every federal judge has ever looked at

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this thing on the twenty twenty election
says there was no evidence of massive voter

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fraud. And so let me give
you what I think happened, but you're

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the expert. I think what occurs
is that when these lawsuits are fouled or

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a weak or two after the election, the judges don't have time to gather

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massive pieces of evidence, of documents
of depositions, requests for interrogatories. They

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don't have time to try the case, and they say, well, the

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issue is not ripe because the Secretary
of State is not determine who the winner

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of the Pennsylvania electoral ballots are.
Because that's true, we don't know yet

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because there might be several weeks after
election day before the military ballots come in,

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and so it takes several weeks for
each Secretary State to officially declare the

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winner. So the federal courts say
without issues, not ripe. And by

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the time it becomes ripe, which
is like the middle of December, guess

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what the issue is now moot because
we've got to swear in the new president

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in five weeks, so we can't
have a long federal trial with the holidays

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here, so things are not ripe
or they're not moot on the right track

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or not. Yeah, yeah,
you're absolutely on the right track. And

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that that is a lot of it. But look, I mean, we

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have films of the two thousand mules. For example, we're on video.

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You have these people going from one
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numbers about I mean, we are
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them doing so between midnight and five
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your typical time to go drop off
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hundreds and hundreds of them. And
there were over two hundred people on video

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doing this type of stuff, and
yet for some reason we don't have any

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evidence. And that's you know,
it's look to me. To me,

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the issue is election integrity. We
have to secure elections with everything we've got

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to make sure it's one legal vote
cast, one legal vote counted, and

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at all cost we secure the will
of the people. Now, look,

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I may be upset that my candidate
loses, but if it was a fair

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election, then look I can go
back two years from now and fight again,

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try to get people to vote the
way I want. But if the

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election is not secured, then all
of us are up the creek without a

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paddle, so to speak, and
we're in serious trouble. So I'm just

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trying to provide a thirty thousand foot
because you said accurately. The states are

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given the constitutional authority for the time, place, and manner of elections,

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and every state does it differently.
But there are certain bird's eye view universal

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principles that ought to be common sense
across the board that used to we all

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agreed upon. But now, for
some reason, many of these common sense

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things are not even agreed upon,
and as a result, we're potentially massively

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compromising the integrity of our election system. In twenty seventeen, on January twenty,

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twenty seventeen, I would imagine you
were at the inaugural of Donald Trump.

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There were thirty eight Democrats who said, we're not attending the inaugural because

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he's an illegitimate president. You had
Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton,

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Eric Holder, Barack Obama, the
leaders of the Democrat Party told the

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nation on January twenty, twenty seventeen, this guy being sworn in is not

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legitimate. And now we had a
couple of weeks ago, more Democratic congressman

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said that if Trump wins, they're
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in November or December of this year. But of course the media says only

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the Republicans are concerned about elections being
rigged. The Democrats have done exactly the

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same thing for a long time.
He got away with it when Democratic leaders

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said in twenty seventeen, now Donald
Trump was not legitimately elected, He's not

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the legitimate president. When Stacy Abram
says that I'm the true governor of the

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state of Georgia, what does that
do in the minds of many Democrats that

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we have an illegitimate office holder.
Oh yeah, we've got I mean,

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there are tons of Democrats for the
last multiple election cycles have challenged whenever a

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Republican wins, at least they challenge
it. They say it's illegitimate, they

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say it's wrong, they say there
is cheating, there was fraud, whatever

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the case may be. But when
a Republican questions with a significant amount of

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evidence, or at least enough to
say, hold on, there's at least

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some question marks here, where all
of a sudden election deniers were threats to

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democracy. We need to be put
in jail. Yeah, the Democrats have

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been doing this for decades and it's
yet again shows a weaponized government in a

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two tiered system. But look,
at the end of the day, I

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think both sides we've got the this. We've got to get the politics out

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of the election process. The election
process is about the will of the people,

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not about the will of a political
party or a particular candidate. It

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is about the will of the people. Both sides need to come to agreement

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on that and understand, first and
foremost what the people want must be accurately

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accounted for at the ballot box.
And that's the first and the last question.

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Everything else revolves around that. What's
the best way to accomplish integrity,

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to maintain the consent of the governed
and the wishes of the people as it

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relates to whom is elected? Jody, heis. You've looked at this thing

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from every angle from thirty thousand feet, isn't it true? Since the founding

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of the republic we are a republic
when not a democracy? We are a

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republic. That especially federal presidential elections, maybe the bulk of them, have

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had questionable practices surrounding the election of
whoever happened to win. I can recall

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there's been at least four circumstances in
American history or state capitals sent multiple different

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electors to Washington to actually vote for
the president. And there are alternate slates

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of electors that have been sent historically
from many states. Isn't that true?

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Yeah? And you know the thing
is, I think we've always had those

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type of circumstances. I mean,
we all remember the hagging Chad's in Florida

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back Lyndon Johnson. I mean that's
there's always been these cases that have raised

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question marks. But Bill, what
concerns me now as it seems to be

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widespread. COVID became the excuse to
implement multiple changes in the way states do

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elections, and many of those changes
opened wide the door for potential shenanigans.

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And that is the issue. Those
are the doors the policies that need to

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be closed that we need to tighten
up on the election process in every way.

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And yet this is not rocket science. We have the capacity to secure

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elections. We have the capacity to
tighten up our inaccurate voter files. For

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that matter, I saw us on
an article last week, it says between

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eight and eighteen percent inaccurate is the
majority of states. When we're dealing with

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our voter registration file. If ballpark
ten to twenty percent of our files are

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wrong, that we don't even know
who's registered and illegal to vote, we're

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starting behind the eight ball to have
an accurate election result. And so these

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are the look Amazon knows who you
are. Why in the world can we

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not figure it out before you come
to the ballot box. You know this

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stuff is not rocket science. We
just have to have the will to make

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sure that we're securing our election process
well by having a secure election, that's

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called voter suppression. Lastly, I
would say, like in the state of

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Nevada, when you get your driver's
license, and there's no citizenship proof requirement

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to get a driver's license, so
I'm sure there's tens of thousands of illegals

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in Nevada and seventeen other states that
get their driver's license. Many of these

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states simply send out in the mail
thirty days before the election the actual ballot.

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If you have a driver's license,
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says, yes, I'm a citizen, but no one checks out either for

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verification. Isn't it if the state
secretaries of state send out ballots to like

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everyone in the state, isn't that
something right? For fraud? I don't

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see how you avoid it. I
honestly don't see how you avoid it in

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those kinds of situations. And again, this is common sense. If you're

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going to be in a state that
lets anybody get a driver's license, then

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how can you and anyone who has
a driver's license automatically is registered to vote.

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Then how in the world can you
you secure the federal requirement that only

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US citizens vote. I mean,
you can't do it. And these are

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the type of things that we must
get serious about. Again, this is

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a sacred trust. This is not
just a political game. You talk about

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foreign interference. When we're allowing a
situation like you just described, who knows

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who is registered to vote and what
country they're from or whatever, is that

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not foreign interference? And every time
you have someone who is an illegal voter,

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be it from another country or someone
who in our own country is not

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legally registered or whatever. Whenever there
is an illegal vote cast, it disenfranchises

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and takes away suppresses a legal vote
that was counted. And these are the

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type of things that we must protect. Again, it's a sacred trust that

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is the epicenter, if you will, upon which America risks in our system

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of governments. Jody Hies, thanks
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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The name of the book is Sacred
Trust, forward by my good friend Ken

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Blackwell. You're a founding member of
the House Freedom Caucus. Once again,

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thank you for coming on the Bill
Cunningham Show. The adventures continue, and

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hopefully we clean things up before November
fifth of this year so we have a

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legitimate count and hopefully the election will
not be rigged. Jody High thank you

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very much. Thank you sir,
Thank you Bill. Let's continue with more.

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Bill Cunningham, the Great American,
Live every day at your home of

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the Red's News Radio seven hundred WLW. Nice butt, Hey, can you

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guys play again tomorrow. I haven't
even had time to even treat my law

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this year. My one's actually getting
fertilized at this moment. It's got a notification