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All right, take this down.
Take this down again. You can't come

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off that hot you you? Oh
yeah, is this We need a hand

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signal if you're gonna fire it off
that because it's just gonna be me for

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ten seconds going what's up right?
This is lurry photos, Flurry Photo.

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I'm David Flora. I am a
surprise David's echo. Hope everybody's doing all

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right. I've got a fun show
for you. Yeah. I hope that

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you astounded your family with discussions of
the true nature and history of Easter.

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Yeah, or ishtar or oestra or
olestra, o lester does cause an leakage.

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Yeah, we're actually recording on Easter, beautiful day, gorgeous Easter.

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Um. It sucks because for audio
concerns, we have to close all the

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windows. Yeah, I mean we
were gonna we were gonna take the class

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outside and record, but I'm gonna
go on a field trip. But the

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wind and yeah, we just we
couldn't afford to have any background sounds or

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anything messing with the quality of our
our audio. Nope, not. Everything's

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got to be really clean, really
crisp. We want to not do any

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amplification or mess with the the highs
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So we we just decided to h
stay inside and did you did you just

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feel something? Did you get colder? And he did? What was that?

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That was weird? Okay, well
anyway, I thought it was just

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me. But today we are discussing
EVP. That's right, Electronic voice phenomena.

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Yeah, we actually got this.
This is a suggestion from our listener.

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Yeah. Tom Britten was a very
talented podcaster and performer himself. So

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cool. Thanks. So see,
we're proving the concept, like you literally

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just ebark something at us and then
we'll do it. We're like a little

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show ponies. That's right, We're
we're I'm the dog, you're the pony.

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Yay, and this is the show
EVPs. Man, this is this

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is fun. I have heard of
this stuff, you know, I've I've

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scratched the surface of what it is
before this, but I'm glad that Tom

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suggested it because it was It's a
lot of fun to research. Oh,

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it's such a cool thing, and
I think I don't think it's one of

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those things that you I'll bet you
a lot of our listeners have at some

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point, like you just once you
fall into like a YouTube hole on it

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and you just just look at more
and more and more of them. Yeah,

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or or if you are if you're
just channel surfing and you happen upon

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one of those like History Channel or
Discovery channels, especially around like Halloween.

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You can't get anywhere near, you
know, the cable centric channels without one

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of those things. Yeah, this
is this is something that that I bet

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has touched you at some point in
your life. And there was that movie

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with was it Michael Keaton? Is
that who it was, the Just White

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Noise, White Noise? Yeah?
I think that was Michael Keaton. Yeah,

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I think I've seen that, but
I'm not sure. Yeah, and

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they you know, one thing I
learned is that, um, I actually

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saw that movie I think even in
the theaters. And I guess I learned

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this when I was doing my research, is that DVD has a whole bonus

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section that's all real EVP occurrence is. And all these people who made recordings

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that were some of the more famous
recordings, we got paid a ton of

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money and all all of their their
recordings made their way into this movie and

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into this bonus track on the DVD. Wow. Yeah, it's something that

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I think I will look up and
watch here soon, probably probably early in

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the morning when it's very sunny out. No, no, no, no,

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right before you go to bed,
when you're home alone, two o'clock

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in the morning. Yeah, you
just got done playing Minecraft. Nothing else

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is going on, man, that
we've been playing a lot of Minecraft lately.

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No more. All right, I'm
not going to go on in Minecraft.

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Nobody wants to hear that. That's
our other podcast that we that we

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haven't done. So let's let's go
into EVP here. What it is,

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what causes it, some explanations,
even some examples for you. Oh,

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this one for this episode, let's
tell you straight up, buckle in,

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shut the windows, tie up the
dog, like really tightly, make some

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hot chocolate, get a blanket,
whatever, whatever, whatever it takes to

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comfort you, because you might have
some tears in your eyes. Right,

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this one's gonna mess with your kobasa. So for our friends in Peru,

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EVP is when human sounding voices or
words are heard on recordings or radio station

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noise or other electronic media. It's
most often captured on audiotape. Now,

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the speech or the voices that are
recorded aren't necessarily heard at the time of

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recording. Yeah, only when the
recordings played back. Some of them are,

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but the vast majority I think aren't. Yeah, and there are a

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lot of people. I was surprised
at the approach to EVP. I thought

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that it was something that people had
accidentally discovered and then kind of like,

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oh, we should look into this. Did you hear this? Yeah,

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maybe there's a thing here. But
it was more the other way around.

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It's people have been always, I
guess throughout history, have always been actively

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trying to communicate with the dead,
and so that's driven their research. They're

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always trying to create a new manner
to doing this, and as a result,

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there's actually a fair number of different, very different techniques for encouraging or

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creating or capturing electronic voice phenomenon,
which I thought that was really interesting.

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I just thought it was, oh, wait, we left a tape recorder

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in abasement and then when we went
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But there people are inducing it as
well, right, And sometimes amplification and

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noise filtration is required in a kind
of a post recording setting. You use

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some kind of software or machine to
amplify to take out some of the high

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some of the lows, you know, really boost up what has been recorded

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so that they get what is perceived
as voices or words. And here's the

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fun part. The vast majority of
these are claimed to be caused by spirits

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of the dead. Yeah, paranormal
supporters claimed this is absolute proof of life

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after death, and some people even
claim that it could be aliens or interdimensional

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beings that are that are speaking that
these devices are picking up. It's such

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an interesting thing because I had such
a narrow idea of what this was.

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I just I kind of thought it
was like just kind of a neat ghost

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story trick. Yeah, but learning
about this and also the quality and we've

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got a ton of clips, ton
of audio clips for you guys to listen

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to. The quality is so wild. I mean from some of them just

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saying, hey, this is stand. I mean, it's just Claire's day

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to some you know, to some
things being just And I was like,

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didn't you hear him say I killed
an ardvark yesterday? Right? Like it's

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such a crazy uh, the dichotomy, like it just it's all over the

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place. And we'll get to why
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it? Things like that. Yeah, there's like a whole codex of how

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different varieties how these were recorded.
There was one version where they've they've functionally

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made an acoustic Guiji board out of
the AM band. They have a small

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computer box that just hyper scans through
the AM band and we'll just let small

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snippets of audio that it finds through, I mean like fractions of a second.

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And it's thought that this allows of
being a spirit or a soul or

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what have you, to to use
that as a medium to communicate acoustically.

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Right. Many times in these cases
you'll you're only going to get single words

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or short sentences or phrases, and
it can be in any language. It

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can also be grunts or groans or
you know, any any fun thing like

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that. Uh well, the spirit
of the Dad, please talk to us

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right now. We really appreciate it. I didn't get anything. I don't

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know. Play back later. What's
a ghost forward? The ghost forward?

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I'm telling you that if I die, you have to keep doing the podcast,

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and then everyone has to listen to
them later and you will hear my

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spectral farts. Because I am not
going to tell you anything about the afterlife.

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I'm not giving you lotto numbers.
Not telling you where your keys are

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hidden. All I'm gonna do is
make ghost fart sounds on all of your

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recordings forever. I would love it, though, I mean, yeah,

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no, I don't. I wouldn't
love it if you if you died and

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I was like, welcome to blurry
photos. This is David Flora and hoping

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everybody's doing okay, And then we
play it back, I amplify it.

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It's like, this is David Flora. I hope everybody's doing okay. You

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just have half of a podcast,
yes, and it's just static on the

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other side. And also the messages
that the spirit realm is trying to get

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to us are incoherent. Well yeah, in most cases, like well acted

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door Knob. Here's the weirdest part
though. A lot of times the voices

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may respond directly to the people that
are recording. So if somebody asks a

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question on there, sometimes they get
an answer back, yeah. A lot

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of times they don't. It's a
snippet that might not make sense to them,

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but it might make sense in the
context of where they are, like

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if they're in an insane asylum,
if they're in a cemetery, an old

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jail, something like that you know, they'll get something like almost had the

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keys, you know, or something
like that, and they're creepy and we

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get and this is this really dovetails
nicely with what we were talking about in

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our Ghost Taxonomy episode. The difference
is in some of these spirits who seem

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to be present in the moment in
wishing to communicate in real time with the

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people that have an agenda, and
they're kind of a part of it.

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But then there's this feeling that some
of these people are unaware that we're there

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and they're living out wherever they are, and that we just get a snippet

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of it. We just happened to
capture something. So again, just like

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the ghost, there's there's those ghosts
that are you know, in a hotel

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and they're just walking from room to
room because they're still in their time.

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Oh yeah, and you're just seeing
a weird reflection of it as opposed to

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a ghost that's like throwing shit at
you, right, or they might might

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not even know that they're dead to
right. That's a freaking part. Now,

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As we said that, the quality
of these recordings is all over the

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board. Sometimes just like ours,
what are you talking about? We can't

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do real mouth sounds to listeners.
Help never come back. We do the

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fake when we go arm. So
sometimes the EVPs are easily understood. Sometimes

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it's unclear, but just about every
time it's up. Always fun, always

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fun, always a good time,
like a beer commercial. Sometimes well,

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a lot of times it's up to
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what the words are. It's categorized, as we said, in three classes.

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Class A is the easily understood by
anybody who listens to it with little

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or no argument. These are also
the loudest that you get on recording.

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I'll leave me alone. That's a
good one. You're gonna get a lot

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of backwards audio from from Dave tonight
practicing all you've been watching all twin peaks.

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Oh god, yeah, Agent Cooper, that gum you'll like is coming

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back in style. Oh man,
alright, alright, that was Thank you

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David Flora for letting me do that, all right. Class B is characterized

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by some warping of the voices and
some syllables. They're generally lower in volume

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than Class A, and these are
the most common type of EVP. And

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then you get class C, which
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A lot of times they're whispering.
Uh, and this is it's very

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hard to understand. Yeah, this
is when you're really hitting the basement for

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did we did we pick up something? Right? Yeah? What was recorded?

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Is that? Is that really just
an anomaly? Or is that?

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You know? You're I feel like
because I listened to so many of these

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things now, like when you get
to that end of the spectrum, you're

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you're just hearing a pattern of sound
that us. Then you find a word

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with that same syllable pattern, You're
like, oh, that's what he said.

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Well, and we'll talk about that
later too. Um that that's a

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little bit under the explanation, realm. But yeah, that's exactly right.

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It's just like you you're here,
and it's like, did you just say

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fuck you? Yeah? You did? I think he did. I think

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there's angry ghost man. Hey,
Hey, hey ghost, Hey, you

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think you're so damned tough? Why
don't you come out? Yeah? What's

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up? What's up? I'm right
here, man. You want to roll,

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bro, let's go. You want
to hold on? Hold on,

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ghost, I'm gonna kill myself and
then I'm gonna kick that ghost ass.

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What you want, I'll aid you
to revide me in ten minutes. Hey,

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can you guys have that defiber roids
ready? So let's talk about the

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history of the EVP. Yeah,
real quick. So we've covered this before.

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Spiritualism. We've touched out it a
couple of times, but it began

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in the mid nineteenth century, and
it continued into the early twentieth century up

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to and including today obviously, but
it had its its prime, uh right

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around the turn of the nineteen hundreds, right, the paula peculiar if you

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will, And that's the belief that
spirits could be contacted. Then you get,

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yeah, the mediums, the mediums, Yeah, and the ectoplasm and

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the butter covered in muslin and muslin. Isn't that with the Muslim Muslim Muslim

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musin X, musin X. I
mean, what's the difference. It's all

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covered in goo and people stuff it
in their mouths. I don't know.

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You sound like you've had experience,
Uh no, with the advent of t

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technology. Why are you staring at
me with the advent of technology. That's

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a cereal though, right, oh
right, you're right, right, Usually

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it muslin, You're right, it
is muslin. But Mucinex is a cereal,

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right, No, mucinex is a
mucus drug. Oh, what's the

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cereal that's like usually musely. I
don't think there's also muslicks is the Kellogg's

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brand of it? Maybe that's what
I'm thinking of. But everyone else in

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Europe just eats musely, which is
I think what they call granola. I'm

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not looking it up. I patently
refuse to look this up. So we're

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here to wallow in ignorance. All
right, I'm fine with that because there's

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the thing in the flight of the
concords. The man at the kind of

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starts to abuse me. Hey man, I just wants amusedly. Well a

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good call, yeah call, that's
a reference for you. So with the

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advent of new technology, there are
obviously new ways to communicate with the dead,

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including photographing spirits and then I intually
recording them. Now this interest you

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know, like you said, with
the advent of technology, phonographs were invented

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to now now people can record kill
your family, kill your family. Yeah,

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if were they were, it was
all distortion. The actual intended recipient

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of the recording sounded like a dead
ghost. Yeah, America matches to wall

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the keys. The first people that
try this, they were trying to recording,

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try to record on wax cylinders and
just just really, I mean did

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not come up with anything, which
is not surprising. I mean it was

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it was hard to capture a man
shouting into a cone on those, you

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know, they didn't. We won't
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Yeah, And so that's why I
almost struggle with the idea of saying

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that the idea of EVP or EVP
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didn't because there was nothing to be
had. They made it, they tried,

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and they didn't even buy their own
weird hokey standards, didn't come up

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with anything. So it wasn't until
you know, the the nineteen forties where

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we start to get into magnetically recorded
tape in reel to reel, and that's

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I think what really kicks it off, or I think I think you got

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the torch on this. In nineteen
forty one, there was a photographer by

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the name of Attila von Zalet who
photographed ghosts. I hope you heard the

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quotes on that. I saw you
did air quotes and when here's the thing.

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When you say when he photographed ghosts
with air quotes, I'm thinking you

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mean naked women. Oh it could
have been. I mean, way to

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go with They didn't get out in
the sun a lot. He tried recording

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voices of the dead on a seventy
eight RPM record, but he didn't believe

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he was successful until nineteen fifty six
when he used a real, real recorder.

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He actually devised a contraption of a
microphone in an insulated cabinet with an

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external recorder. So he put the
microphone in the cabinet and whatever it was

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recording on was outside the cabinet.
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that one of the first attempts at
EVP is probably to this day, the

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best attempt at it, because I
mean, that's a great scientific approach.

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Like I'm putting it in an a
sound isolated chamber. There shouldn't be any

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interference, so whatever I hear should
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Yeah, I think that's brilliant.
And no one is not as sense,

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have they? No, at least
not a single person that I found

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or a thing that I saw,
was treating it like this. So I'm

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a huge fan of this guy's approach
to it, waiting go. Yeah,

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he claimed that he recorded voices on
there. When he played it back,

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he heard voices where you know,
they're no one was in the cabinet and

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no one else was in I guess
the room that they were were recording in

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or anything like that. But unless
it was, was the cabinet a divick

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box? Come on, man,
couldn't help it. East the Eastern episode

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turned out okay, yeah, see, but we don't want to put it

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all right. Nineteen fifty two,
this is a fun one. You get

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two Catholic priests that were recording Rigorian
chants on a magnetophone and kept having the

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wire break on them, so so
part of the device was malfunctioning, and

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they were getting frustrated, and one
of them looked up to the sky and

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asked for help me. He's like, he's like, please God help maybe

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her father help me. The lord. I mean, as anyone who's ever

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tried to like work with like a
DVD player that's not quite playing it?

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No one, no one raises their
hands to this guy and says, hey,

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Lord, why don't you help me? That man looked, yeah,

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should leave. Oh, that man
was swearing. Well, here's the funny

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thing. When they played it back
after he did that, on the recording,

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there was a voice that said,
of course i'll help you. I'm

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always with you, and he claimed
it was the voice of his deceased father,

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who so even the Pope was like, I'm cool with that, don't

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worry about it. Yeah, he
took it to the Pope and the Pope

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was cool with it, so you
know what I mean. And my buddy

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was, you know, we're recording
those chants, you know, you know

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those guys. Yeah, I think
we got something you're gonna want to hear.

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We'll see you see. Oh,
it's a spooky Every pope is Italian

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automatically. Well, they lived there, there's no choice. Even if they're

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born in Germany, they're there.
It's not right, it's right, you

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get your papal accent. I'm played
a Gregarian a chance and a voice of

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your dead a father. It's it's
it's killing the family of our Argentinian pope

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that he's now Italian. Yeah,
well you take with the good with the

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bad, right, Yeah, But
man, when he starts showing up at

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ac Milan games, that's why they're
gonna get rough. Oh, you know

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more than I do. Uh.
Nineteen fifty nine, you got a Swedish

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film producer, Friedrich Jurgensen. Uh, he was recording bird songs and when

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he played the tapes back, he
claimed to hear his dead father's voice and

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his deceased wife. This caused him
to make more recordings of the dead he

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I think he made a ton of
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nineteen sixty five he met a Latvian
writer named Constantine Rootive who experimented with radio

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frequency screened recordings and apparently heard voices
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German, Latvian, and fringe.
So he is isolating his recording here as

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well. Yeah, only now he
knows he's trying to block it from the

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radio frequencies. And he invited outside
interpretation and worked with over four hundred people

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who listened to these recordings, and
he invited them to give their honest,

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you know feedback. What did they
hear? And apparently one hundred percent of

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them heard voices. Huh, just
like just like he was. Now.

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He said that in addition to the
RF screened recordings, the voices could be

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recorded even with a disconnected microphone,
and that the voice. Some of the

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voices spoke rapidly. They've spoken a
mixture of languages, and they were in

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a definite, forced rhythm, almost
telegraph style. That's interesting. Yeah,

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I wonder because you do here and
a lot of the ones that I heard,

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it's always a very strange cadence of
speech. It's never I mean not

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never, but it's it's rarely just
a normal hello. This is information.

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It's there's a lot of pauses and
breaks or drawn out I think it would

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be funny if if the afterlife could
only communicate telegraph style. I'm dead,

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Stop now, my wife, I
love her. Stop the money on the

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floorboards, stop, stop stop.
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a Paris psychologist d. Scott Rogo
who described brief, single occurrence telephone calls

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from deceased people. This is real
fun. If you're a fan of Twilight

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Zone, you get an episode all
about this. The episode titled night Call

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is all about an old woman whose
husband had died and she starts getting these

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phone calls where there's nobody on the
line. When she picks up and says

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hello, she starts getting angry and
when she picks up, there'd be nobody

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on there. It might be a
little static. She'd yell at them like

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stop, you know, stop calling
me, and then eventually you start hearing

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this voice saying like hello, Hello, And then finally she calls the telephone

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company. They trace the telephone line
to a cemetery, and the telephone line

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was down because of a storm,
so she shouldn't have even been getting calls

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at all, but the line was
laying on the grave of her deceased husband.

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And then she gets excited because well
now she can talk, you know,

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to her husband. And the next
time the phone rings, he's there

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and he says, I always do
what you say, so you told me

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to go away and stop calling,
so goodbye, and then she lives the

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rest of her life in solitude and
sadness. It's it's a real downer.

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That's a dick move on the husband's
part. I mean, well, if

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you say so, I guess I
will forever leave. Yeah. I guess

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it was set up in the episode
that he always like she was very controlling,

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always telling him what to do,
and he was always taking taking her

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ship. So well, yeah,
he took it right into the next life

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yea, but as a very cool
and very creepy twilight Zone, I suggest

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you look that one up. It's
fun not call, and I'd be interested.

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I mean, I think that the
probably it's a pretty I mean,

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none of this is common, but
as these things go. The spectral phone

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call, you knowone's heard stories about
things like that before. Yeah, yeah,

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and that one, like I said, usually brief and single, single

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occurrence. Of course, Twilight Zone
is going to take a little liberty to

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make it as as good as Twilight
Zone needs to be. But I think

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twice when when you get the telemarketer
calling, Yeah, it could be number

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if. If you're getting called by
a telemarketer, then you already know that

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you're speaking to the damn but they
may or may not already be dead.

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You know another fun thing they dead
inside. Yeah. I learned a great

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word doing the research for this,
because people who deal with this, they

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don't want to say people who've died. For some reason, people are very

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nervous about the phrase dead. That's
just a word. The phrase is you're

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dead. Um, the dead.
So there's you know, people cross over,

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they pass on. My favorite one
is I investigate communication with the disincarnate.

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Right, Yeah, I really like
that phrase. Disincarnate just means they

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don't have a body anymore. Yeah, what a wonderful phrase. Thank you

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politically correct society. Oh man,
the dead get really pissed off when you

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call them the dead. Yeah,
it's right. Well, you know they

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used to be everything's fine and ounce
everything's I couldn't put a bit of myss,

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Thanks Obama. So in nineteen eighty, fellow by the name of William

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O'Neill, here's here's a slick,
Willy O'Neill, here's where the old roller

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coaster starts, shaking your head up. Clink clink, clink, receive specifications

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psychically from dead scientist George Mueller to
build the Spirit Calm. He claimed he

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was able to have two way communication
with spirits. However, no one was

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able to replicate it, and they
attributed that to his mediumistic ability to close

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the loop on the system that he
had created with the Spirit Calm. So,

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but here's here's what I don't get. First of all, if there's

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dead, if there's scientists, that
there's disincarnate scientists that are working on it

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on their side, right, wouldn't
there also be like disincarnate marketing people who'd

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be like, what do you want
to call it? We're not calling it

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the spirit calm. I imagine these
guys are from the forties, you know,

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they're they're dead. That's that's you
know. And they're like, what

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should we call this thing? Should
we call it the uh, the dead

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box? Should we call it the
ghost talker? No? No, no,

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we'll call it the Victory phone.
No, no, no, none

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of this adds up. Let's call
it U. And he sees like a

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billboard, the freedom graph. He
sees a billboard for like liquor, and

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then he sees like a telephone company
billboard right beside it, and he like

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glances back at them, and he's
like, what if we call it the

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spirit calm? Oh hey, I
like that. That's kind of catcher,

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right, spirit calm. Can we
call it the spirit graph? No,

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there's already a spirograph it we'll get
confusing. We don't know the name.

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It's the eighties, remember everything's calms
now. Colms Graphs is old time.

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Why don't you a dummy? That's
yesterday. We'll look another tomorrow, the

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future, the future, it's here. I don't ever want to die I

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don't want to be surrounded by these
jags shout. I get me, you're

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a good kid, but not gonna
not say um great? So wait,

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wait, I do have one more
question about the spirit com Okay, now

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again, there's a scientist on the
other side who wants to have meaningful communications

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with the living, so he psychically
tells someone who's alive how to build a

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phone so that they can talk.
That's like me driving a bike to your

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house so that we can so you
can come over to my house. If

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I can get the bike to your
house, then you don't need the bike.

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I don't see the logic there.
If he can psychically communicate with this

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guy, why on earth do they
need to build a telephone If they're already

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in communication, why did they have
to build a phone? But what if

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it's it's that he wanted a living
person to be able to talk to other

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people that maybe don't half that psychic
connection. But see that it still fails

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because only the one he built works
for him because of his medium abilities.

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All the other spirit comms didn't work. But maybe they didn't know that.

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Maybe they thought, well, this
guy could talk to God. Let's discuss

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this hypothetical, some more just saying
I see, I see your point.

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I don't like the bicycle analogy.
I was not, but I was.

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I was not prejudiced against the Irish
until we did this podcast. But it

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just seems that every time they get
involved, shite gets dodgy. Yeah he

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isn't O'Neill. Yeah, shite gets
dodgy. That's one of the five families,

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isn't it. Oh you're right,
oh man, So maybe it wasn't

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a dead scientist. Maybe it was
a bungheem. Yeah, that's five o'clock

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somewhere to do a ghost Irish backwards
voice in a high degree of difficulty,

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Like, damn shit, that is
a reverse spring Hill jack slab. Wow.

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Wow, it's it just starts off
with weird and then it fades away.

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All right, so the spear calm
right, a bunch of crap um

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nineteen eighty two. This is when
you get the EVP researcher Sarah E.

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Step Now, this is a name
that that you're gonna hear about if you

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start looking at EVP stuff. She's
a big name. Founded the American or

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so ciation of EVP to increase the
awareness of the subject of EVP and standardized

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methods of recording it. She had
recorded since nineteen seventy six, and she

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she did hundreds of recordings of spirits, discarnate spirits, including relatives. Friends.

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Even claimed to have gotten Beethoven and
extraterrestrials on there not in English.

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Obviously, did you did you hear
the Beethoven recording? No? Did you?

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Yeah? I've got it? Oh
you do? Yeah? I do

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really do have it? Should should
we play it? Yeah? Like every

404
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good TV show, will that you
be the judge of if it's Beethoven or

405
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.440
not or what I'm just gonna play
it? Oh, okay. I have

406
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:54.160
two recordings of Beethoven, one in
which he identifies himself as the famous Beethoven.

407
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.519
This is this is what this is
what she got, and the other

408
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:04.160
one is where Beethoven is playing music
for her. Okay, okay, and

409
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:08.359
in the afterlife, Beethoven has more
arms than Vishnu because there are a lot

410
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.359
of things being played, and Vishtu's
a hell of the pianist. By yeah

411
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.200
he is. Okay, So she
does like the introduction of it, okay,

412
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.720
and then she'll play the clip so
she'll tell you what you're gonna hear

413
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.720
and then you'll hear it. Oh
great personally, scientifically not a very good

414
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:28.200
way of going about it. But
hey, she am I to tell Sarah

415
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.960
she's the one with the tape.
I'm just some jackass dick and round with

416
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:36.960
her computer here. Now, so
we've got two. I've got both Beethoven's

417
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.240
introduction and music that he plays for
her. Sounds good, all right,

418
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:45.720
So here we go. I'm lanning. I am major reco recording, not

419
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.759
calling, as I said on anyone, well know, just a regular recording.

420
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.759
And as I am finished, someone
comes through and says, you have

421
00:33:52.920 --> 00:34:09.760
the famous Beethoven It did? Yeah, did you get it? Well?

422
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.639
These are hard to listen to,
not in headphones. Yeah, you kind

423
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.880
of needed drilling straight into your head. And you in headphones you do hear

424
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.480
something? Yeah, I mean it
does sound very twenties, like singing from

425
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:29.920
a croner's cone. Thing. Well, you know part of this. People

426
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.800
say that it's almost like developing a
language skill to be able to listen to

427
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.000
these and decipher them. I have
not acquired it. That sounds like sounds

428
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.519
like a lot of high shelf to
me. Yeah. Now here's another interesting

429
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.039
thing. These are from the Association
of trans Communication. This is a second

430
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.239
recording that Sarah got a bit of
music Beethoven was playing for her. Again,

431
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.480
she has like a little introduction that
she does. But some of the

432
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.719
things that they mentioned here is that
there was a thunderstorm, which Sarah will

433
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.719
mentioned and in the recording to hear
that in the background. But also you'll

434
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.360
hear her speaking over it during the
while it's playing the EVP portion. Okay,

435
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.920
and it reminds you that she couldn't
hear the EVP as she recorded it.

436
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.320
She only came out later. That's
important, and I'm gonna we're gonna

437
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.320
come back to that after we listen
to this clip. Great, I will

438
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.960
conclude this tape by playing the entire
minute of music that was received from him

439
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:28.079
during this a very latical storm.
You will hear the thunder and the lightning

440
00:35:28.440 --> 00:36:09.000
in the background. Sounds like a
witch. I have a fund there's time

441
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:38.960
that I was kind of funds that
all right now, I've been on the

442
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:45.320
Haunted Mansion ride a number of times
that I can only believe that Beethoven could

443
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:50.199
come up with better than that.
Here's my question, did Beethoven was he

444
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.760
playing in the entire orchestra, right, I know I heard some fluide in

445
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:59.360
there. Yeah, I could have
sworn there was a English horn. Yeah,

446
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.280
there's some guy playing in the triangle
at the end, so maybe bassoon

447
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.719
in there somewhere. But now here's
here's here's the path that I take Umbridge

448
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.360
with, and I do take umbridge. She couldn't hear the EVP, but

449
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.760
she references the music she's hearing.
What did she say? I couldn't even

450
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.840
make her out the second We'll play
it again. We'll just not not the

451
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:21.679
whole thing, but we'll play she
she interrupts the music at first, like

452
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.840
she she doesn't interrupt it. She
speaks over it, and then it plays

453
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.280
for another ten seconds, and then
she speaks a second time, and and

454
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:52.159
and references the music she's hearing.
Okay, okay, something like please tell

455
00:37:52.199 --> 00:38:00.360
me this music is something, Yeah, she sure does. Yeah, please

456
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.920
tell me this music is from yeah, yeah, And like the first thing

457
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.559
she says, I couldn't understand,
but yeah, please tell me this music.

458
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.280
Now we're doing it, but with
with the part that we know,

459
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:15.239
she said, Yeah, we're you
know what's funny is part of that?

460
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:21.599
There are certain snippets of that the
piano that comes through that sounds like Moonlight

461
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:25.960
Sonata, which is a Beethoven piece. But then you get like this radio

462
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:31.400
style orchestra that's like Mystery Hour,
you know. And also the storm in

463
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.880
the background. It's not thundering.
You don't hear rain, you hear the

464
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:44.719
the ethereal like like, yeah,
like studio effects for spooky time. To

465
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.559
me, it sounded it sounded affected. Yeah, so interesting. I'm glad.

466
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.119
Interesting, glad that you referenced that, and I actually happen to have

467
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.960
it on deck. So cool.
Cool. That has been the peak of

468
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:59.480
what this stuff was has been building
two and people have been researching and going

469
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.519
out for the stuff fervently since then. And in fact, I'm sure you'll

470
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.360
you'll get all kinds of Discovery Channel
shows and History Channel shows that that you

471
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.159
can find more of this stuff on, you know, with people. As

472
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:15.119
the technology improves, so too do
these EVPs. Who knows, But that's

473
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.599
a long toothed history, yeah of
it. Now that we've played a couple

474
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.199
of clips here for you, I
want to play some more clips. Okay,

475
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.400
I want to I want to get
into this stuff. Let me let

476
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.559
me bring up one for you,
all right, all right, So this

477
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.280
one, uh, we're gonna play
it and then I want to see what

478
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:31.920
you think it says or what it
is. One. This is one that

479
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.199
you're bringing to me to blow my
mind with. Okay, I see all

480
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:54.519
of you, you, all of
me. Oh that a little whispery Okay,

481
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.480
So it's right at the end,
right at the end. Let's let's

482
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:13.000
play one more time for you,
all of you. All right, Yeah,

483
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.679
I did something, Yeah, I
did. I did. I mean

484
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:15.639
I had to listen to it for
a few times. And I think you're

485
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:21.039
right with the people who developed that
ear to kind of yeah, because again

486
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.320
it's worth repeating that the people making
these recordings can't hear, right, and

487
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.719
they're just heaving their discussion. Yeah, as normal, but right, and

488
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.840
and if you missed it, don't
blame you. Just the very end of

489
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:36.199
that of that clip you hear it's
it's a whispered woman's voice. What do

490
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.320
you think it say? Is I
only heard like the money or like an

491
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.840
inhalation, like at least that's that's
a theory, Like it sounds like the

492
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.159
money, you know, like you
you can hear that that whispered kind of

493
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.119
thing. I mean, do I
also think that that could have been literally

494
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.800
the sound of cloth rubbing on itself. Yes, here's the description of it.

495
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.119
The researchers went to the attic of
a house that they were recording in,

496
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:07.960
and the researcher were just and someone
else was discussing the best location for

497
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:14.400
emotion activated camera apparently, and then
right after they decided on the angle,

498
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.639
it says, a voice was heard
on playback saying, take the money,

499
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.000
honey. I didn't I didn't hear
it. I didn't hear that. So

500
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:27.039
now we're conducting our own psychological experiments. So now that you know all that,

501
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.599
we're going to play the club again. And remember the part you're listening

502
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.159
for is just the last three or
four seconds. Yeah, and it's supposed

503
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.199
to say take the money, honey. All right, let's let's jam this

504
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:52.000
out again. I see all of
you, see now, I do hear

505
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.000
it? Do you hear it?
Yeah? Weird? Yeah, that is

506
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.559
all right. This one was recorded
in Reno, Nevada, Okay, by

507
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.079
Tom and Lisa Butler, who are
also very accomplished researchers. Yeah, researchers

508
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.159
EVP pursuers. Yeah, if they
need a name, don't they? Yeah,

509
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.559
but they so they went to this
house in Reno, Nevada, and

510
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.639
they will they'd walk through and this
is this is they get more of an

511
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.760
interactive thing. They're not looking for
those passive sounds, like they ask questions

512
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.199
out loud. They try to get
a directive response. And so and you'll

513
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.079
hear them speak in this one.
You know, you'll you'll hear them.

514
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.280
They'll talk and you'll hear the quite
direct reply. Okay, great, do

515
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:38.960
you not want people here? Oh? All right again, Yeah, let's

516
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:45.960
let's start one more time. Do
you not watch people here? Now?

517
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.960
Well, now, mister Floyd,
Now this is kind of a game of

518
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:54.039
gotcha journalism when I ask you what
you hear? So, but I'm curious.

519
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:01.679
So on the surface, I hear
we found Jimmy Duranti living or living

520
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:07.679
disincarnate or I'm Reno, Nevada.
I think I hear something like I want

521
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:13.360
you to die or something like that. Okay, something you're you're you're you're

522
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.039
real close to it. And again
I like this, I mean, like

523
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.519
I say, you're really close to
it, like there is some well like

524
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.320
like there's some perfect alabaster answer.
But we're saying that in terms of what

525
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:28.519
the researchers have put forth as what
they've decided it is. That's true.

526
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.440
Their expert opinion, Yeah, is
that and then we're comparing our answers to

527
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:36.159
them that the uh, the expert
opinion of the butlers is that it was

528
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.320
saying prepare to die. Oh you
want to hear that one more time,

529
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:51.000
let's armed with the knowledge. Do
you not want people here? I'm sorry,

530
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:57.719
that sounds like some stupid goth teenager. Yeah that's dead, but takes

531
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.960
himself way too seriously in death.
Still yeah, now they they think that

532
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:07.639
they're spoken by a Southern gentleman,
which sounds like prepared to die. I

533
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:14.960
won't lick my teeth. Yeah so
yeah, that's quigg Yeah all right,

534
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.400
fun, fun, all right.
Uh, let's let's get my next one

535
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.559
going. All right, see what
you think of this one? All right,

536
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:30.000
real short, it's real short.
And again now see that this game

537
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.400
is not entirely fair. But since
some of the one operating the computer,

538
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.760
I see what the file is named? Yeah so, which is kind of

539
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.239
this dead giveaway. But this isn't
me. We didn't discuss yet. If

540
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:43.079
I if the file hadn't been named
who are you? I would not have

541
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.400
come up with that, really,
I would have just thought it was just

542
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.599
yeah. And this is another interesting
thing. So not only do you have

543
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:57.320
these this people speaking different languages,
different cadences, but some of these are

544
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.679
very sing songy. They're almost they're
almost sung. That type of cadence in

545
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.320
itself puts me in the mind of
a very forties or thirties type of Yeah,

546
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:12.119
I agree, you no talk that. I feel like whenever you you

547
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:16.360
hear it's almost uh, it's almost
Roosevelt esque, you know how they talk.

548
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:28.280
And I'm like this, I have
nothing nor her broad fair, you

549
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.559
know, stuff like that. But
right, all right, so it's supposed

550
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.719
to be saying who are you?
And you're right, it's very sing song

551
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:40.400
it's like you yeah, which is
also kind of like tiptoes along the old

552
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:47.199
google right, yeah, that kind
of. But it also it also straddles

553
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.239
the sing songy old timey cadence,
right, which which is again, yeah,

554
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:55.119
I mean people talk that way.
Yeah. And was that a direct

555
00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:00.519
question to the people to the living
or was that a snip, a relic,

556
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.280
a piece of that was energy?
Yeah, that was imprinted in the

557
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.679
area. Fun fun though. Yeah, okay, all right, I'm ready

558
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.280
to keep trucking here. This is
a really good one. This is a

559
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.320
clear one. Cool now this one. I am going to give you a

560
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:16.440
little heads up on not to the
content. I'm not going to mess with

561
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.480
our results of our very scientific study. But this actually was one of those

562
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.360
uh, this is one of those
superstars. This was included in those those

563
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:30.239
DVD extras for white Noise. Wow. Okay, so ready we're going from

564
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:46.480
here. It again sounds like a
kid's voice. We're going from What did

565
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.559
you get out of that when mister
Flora could grief? It's like beck SIDEX

566
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.760
or something like that. You're you're, you're, you're on it, You're

567
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.559
you're on the trail. Maybe he
says museelex, he says museelecx. Uh.

568
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.000
It sounds like a kid to me. It sounds like a child's voice.

569
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.559
Does it say? Does it distinguish? No, it sounds I hear

570
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.760
like it's a woman's voice or a
child's voice. Okay, um, I

571
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.800
hear them both. Is the same
thing. I always think that whenever a

572
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.280
woman calls me, I'm like,
who gave you kids a phone? Why

573
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:22.360
don't you have a job. The
phrase was identified as Betty's in there when

574
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.239
they say we're moving into a room
and and the voices Betty's in there.

575
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:28.880
Yeah, let's try it again now
now that you're armed with this knowledge,

576
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.280
I got close with bes. But
but also this, this is a really

577
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:36.079
good one. This actually has a
wave file here and you really see where

578
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.599
it. Yeah, like the the
very clear the audio form shows for the

579
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:51.599
three. Yeah, let's try it
again. We're going heard at that time,

580
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.559
right, Yeah, I heard at
that time. This is it's really

581
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:59.679
interesting. We're gonna we're gonna delve
into this in just a little bit.

582
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.119
We've got a few more clips because
the clips are fun fun. Oh yeah,

583
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.639
so we're gonna play a couple more, but we're gonna get into some

584
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.599
psychology with with this. That's just
terribly interesting before we do, so,

585
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.400
let's throw another one at you.
Here. I'm gonna walk down try and

586
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:28.320
find Brian. So let me look
here. Time stamp is eight twenty three,

587
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:47.800
So at eight twenty three, I
am now leaving God. I okay,

588
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:55.800
all right, man, with some
class A for you who gird gird

589
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.679
al. Yeah, they even loop
it back and yeah, just to make

590
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.800
sure because he gives you your sphincter, wasn't tight enough at that point the

591
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:10.000
yeah, this was the juicy Yeah, that one. That one is spooky

592
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.360
as all. Hell I am.
I don't ever want to hear that voice,

593
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.440
not not on a recording, not
in real life, not in a

594
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.360
movie. That motherfucker ain't playing,
you know, piano canshert toes in the

595
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:28.119
rain, not at all. No, he's got a message for you.

596
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.360
Yeah, and it's I'm gonna eat
your soul. God. Pretty cool,

597
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:37.599
huh he He sounded like like you
interrupted him from raping a demon. Yeah

598
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.280
like that. Whatever. Whatever the
thuggist mother ghosts in the world are,

599
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.639
that's one of them. Yeah,
God, pretty cool. Yeah you okay,

600
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.320
Well you're definitely at the top of
the scoreboard for spooky times. Now.

601
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.400
I picked this one because it's it's
uh, it's I thought it was

602
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.639
really clear. Well we're needing some
of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

603
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.239
I don't think we need I actually
have some that are even muddier.

604
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.519
But I don't see the point of
it. So you can be like,

605
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.199
oh, that's thanks for that audio
clip of nothing. Yeah. Well,

606
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.000
I mean I think we've already we've
already showed an example of even the three

607
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.079
classes. I think there's been A
class, AB and C. Yeah so

608
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.280
far. So yeah, let's let's
see what it's what you got? All

609
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:27.480
right, So, uh, we'll
play that again. Then I'll give you

610
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:37.480
the whole story there. Okay,
now you're never this one. This one

611
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.559
doesn't you can't even play the guessing
game here because it sounds Spanish. Yeah,

612
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.519
there's a word in there that you'll
never know. It's functionally made up.

613
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.079
Okay, the little girl, you
hear the toddler in the middle,

614
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.559
are they going to say? Her
name is Kalia? Wow? And so

615
00:50:54.719 --> 00:51:00.480
the voice says, Kaliah. Yeah, this little girl's uncle had died and

616
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.960
for whatever reason, the mom decided
she was going to try to talk to

617
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.199
him. Yeah, so we'll play
this one more time. So that's literally

618
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.920
what he's saying, is her name
Kaliah? Yeah, Hi Kalia? Okay

619
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.840
wow. Yeah that's pretty clear.
Yeah. Also sounds sounds like it was

620
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:30.039
it was said with effort. Yeah, it does seem like choke effort to

621
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.960
say it. Yeah, so that's
interesting. Okay, what else you got,

622
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:37.639
Flora? But I got I got
one more for you. You won,

623
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.239
You've won the Battle of the Network
Stars here because all all the ones

624
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.679
you have are clear and spooky as
butt. Well, I've got one to

625
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.800
to cherry top it off there.
Okay, all right, let's see here.

626
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.840
There's nothing more terrifying than the laughter
of babies. Yeah, can it

627
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.280
be more terrifying if it's dead babies? No, disincarnate babies. Dude,

628
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.079
we don't use the D word.
That one's pretty clear. You don't.

629
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:29.280
You don't have to play that them
again. No, that that is taken

630
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:36.199
at a cemetery at night, in
the children's section. I mean it's that's

631
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:42.719
supposed to be like the baby part. Uh and according to the to the

632
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:46.239
researchers, no babies around, nothing, nobody around at the time. So

633
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.039
you get wind and then you get
crying. That's pretty rough. Huh.

634
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.800
Yeah, not a fan, Yeah, man, that was That's a maccabre

635
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.760
gallery. Yeah, it really is. But there was one when I was

636
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.960
looking through this website that you had
found that had all these amazing I mean

637
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.719
I thought that I hit the mother
load, but you had crushed me.

638
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.559
And uh, while we were kind
of adjusting our gear here, I was

639
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.599
just kind of clicking through it and
and and I'm not we discussed this.

640
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:21.039
I'm not saying this as some sort
of lame teaser, but there is one

641
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.800
on here that is so powerfully disturbing
that we're actually not gonna play it.

642
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.719
Yeah, we're not. We're not
gonna We had a discussion here, we

643
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.760
stopped recording, we talked it over, and we're not actually going to play

644
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.199
it. It's uh and and this
is this is not as bullshit with you.

645
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.519
It's not as being like, oh, let's let's make it seem like

646
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:45.119
this thing's really something cool that we
like to discuss. No, no,

647
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.679
this thing, this thing will haunt
you. This this clip, um,

648
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:55.840
it's hard to describe without i mean
getting creepy anyway. But I mean,

649
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.480
how do how do we even how
do you even tell you how how creepy

650
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.840
it is without just telling you how
creepy it is? Yeah, it's it's

651
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:10.239
the voices of several different people,
Yeah, several different something. Yeah.

652
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.760
There's there's like a child's voice,
there's a super spooky, extra deep voice,

653
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.079
and then like a woman's voice.
Yeah, and then there's like a

654
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:24.639
different man's voice, and they're all
they're like some of them are talking over

655
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:30.199
each other, and they're all saying
either I can't breathe or I couldn't breathe

656
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.559
and then and then there's like fifteen
seconds of you hear water thrashing, like

657
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.559
like someone was being I mean,
maybe I'm just filling this in. Yeah,

658
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:44.599
Like and that's I think I think
we should stop there because it's it's

659
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.719
creepy enough as it is. Yeah, just just even talking about it,

660
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:52.000
but I think it is is unbelievably
disturbing. If if you're if you're on

661
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.719
fuego and if this sun is still
up, like you can send us an

662
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.000
email. We'll send you the link. Like we're not send us an email,

663
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.639
Well, we will send you the
what the link to this clip and

664
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:08.719
you can judge for yourself, but
you are warned doubly over right. Keep

665
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:15.400
in mind our podcast is about the
unexplained and Irish accents and and and this

666
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.280
is the first time we've actually had
to have a discussion about like like this

667
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.639
is too dark for what we do. This is this is a little this

668
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.119
is this goes a little deeper than
we ever want to get involved in a

669
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.239
thing. Yeah, And it's so
that's that was our decision that like we're

670
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.760
we're we're Diggie Toots makers. That's
what we do. We'll tell you about

671
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.119
this, but we're not going to
subject you to it, right, I

672
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.119
mean, I'm telling you right now, Bob Mears, he's gonna want to

673
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:45.320
hear it. Greg Box can want
to hear it? Bahama Mama probably not,

674
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:52.159
No, don't even ask um.
So, I mean, sorry for

675
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.480
all the cryptic like, right,
No, it's not it's not our intention

676
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.840
to do that in some sort of
marketing or or or idiot way. Right.

677
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.840
We're better than that, so are
you. And yeah, this is

678
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.719
it just hit that weird spot where
it's it's dark enough that we didn't want

679
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.360
to play it, but it was
interesting enough that we had to talk about.

680
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:14.639
So I just kind of hit that
weird spot. And in this subject

681
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:20.079
matter, since it's we're gonna start
launching into some explanations. God yeah stuff,

682
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.679
Yeah, maybe we can. Maybe
I want to sleep well tonight.

683
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.159
So let's let's make this somehow turn
out to be bullshit. Please, So

684
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.239
for certain nobody knows what causes this, what it is. That's I mean,

685
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:37.199
that's the bottom line. There are
many theories and explanations. The simplest

686
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.880
obviously voices of deceased people. Yep, okay, so that's explanation one.

687
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:49.920
Yeah, that they are using the
electromagnetic energy that you know that the paranormalists

688
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.639
have been talking about for years.
They almost made fun of They kind of

689
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.960
made fun of it in Ghostbusters with
the Pke meter. But paranormal investigators use

690
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.599
em detectors all the time. It's
like their go to and why not?

691
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:07.360
So and this is an electromagnetic recorded
phenomena, So that's plausible if ghosts can

692
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.880
can can if spirits can affect that
energy? Okay, there's explanation one number

693
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:19.800
two we got could be voices from
another dimension, maybe maybe a parallel dimension

694
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.800
to our own that we sort of
pick up on. Could be gen,

695
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:27.280
could be gin. Yeah, why
not? I didn't see that anywhere listed

696
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:29.960
in here, but it sure falls
under what we talked about. Yeah,

697
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:34.320
yeah, it could be fun with
us ship Oh man, then Jan's always

698
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:38.159
working with us. It could be
this is sort of along the same lines.

699
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:44.800
Voices are angelic or demonic in nature? All right, and we in

700
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.960
you know another word for it?
Yeah why not gin? Yeah exactly,

701
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:53.199
And I guess if you it seems
like a lot of editorializing to say that

702
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.480
that's demonic or angelic, but you
do get like the sing song e ethereal

703
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:06.800
voices. You get the the ror
voices that are going here good. You

704
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:15.119
get Sam Elliott, and sometimes you
haunt the ghost. Sometimes the ghost haunts

705
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:21.519
you. Sometimes you have too much
beef for dinner. We love you Andrew

706
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.119
and your mustache, Sam Elliott.
Here's a very popular concept, and probably

707
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.039
with good cause. It's a hoax, straight up, straight up fraud or

708
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.320
prank. I think that we've done
a good like. I'm gonna go ahead

709
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:39.199
and say the Beethoven music is just
a really clumsily executed hoax. Okay,

710
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:44.519
okay, I've got a theory about
it, which is coming up in the

711
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.280
next explanation myself. But yeah,
why not? Could could be? Yeah,

712
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.679
could could absolutely be. I just
didn't like that that lady seems so

713
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:59.599
satisfied that she found someone who identified
themselves as the famous Beethoven in English.

714
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.199
Yeah, yeah, it's always in
the language that you speak. Yeah,

715
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.199
well, not always, but yeah, in that case. Anyway, these

716
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:13.079
things, to me, it's like
the UFO phenomenon. A few people see

717
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.280
UFOs and maybe they do see real
UFOs, but then all of a sudden,

718
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:21.199
you get photoshop in there, you
get final cut, you get after

719
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.800
effects. Oh man, and you
know you're both throwing in like discs on

720
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:29.679
strings frisbees, and we are as
a society at because at this point,

721
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.440
yeah, right, it's over.
I mean like there's it's photoshop and and

722
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.039
editing and things like that. I
mean, the time for conclusive proof is

723
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:42.079
gone now, Like there's no such
thing anymore, honest conclusive. Yeah,

724
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:46.440
the next explanation I've got makes a
lot of sense scientifically. It's electronic device

725
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:52.119
interference maybe maybe from a CB radio
or a baby monitor, or a radio

726
00:59:52.280 --> 01:00:00.679
frequency transmissions radio reception, cross modulation, ionized atmospheric particle that reflect radio waves,

727
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.960
walkie talking, these TV's, cell
phones. I mean, you name

728
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.719
it, we got it out there. That's true. There's all kinds of

729
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.360
stuff that's floating around in the air. Now. I actually have a very

730
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:14.920
have a real example from my life
of this. I do too. You

731
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.199
go first, when I was in
Colorado, I worked in a shop and

732
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.159
we had, you know, just
some speakers up on the wall and we

733
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.119
were closing up and we know that
we heard like a voice say something.

734
01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:29.280
We only don't heard it like once, and so we were like, is

735
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.199
there someone in there? Turn all
the lights back on, go through the

736
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:34.639
whole building. No one's in there, and that Yeah, We're like,

737
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.559
I mean, me and my friend
Pat, we both heard it, and

738
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:42.559
we're like, and Pat, my
friend totally one hundred percent believer in in

739
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.920
everything. Paran Noldman, He's like, ghosts, it's ghosts. We're aft.

740
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:49.960
So we just got the hell out
of there. And then about a

741
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:53.480
week later, during the day again
we hear we heard voices. Long story

742
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:59.440
short, somehow we were picking up
a CB radio from a truck in our

743
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.519
speakers and every and then like because
this this truck didn't just drive by it,

744
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:06.239
it stopped at a light or something
in the neighborhood, and we heard

745
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:08.800
more of the conversation and we're like, holy crap, that's it's a CB

746
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:14.719
radio speakers and somehow, through science
and technology, it was coming into our

747
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:19.760
our our stereo speakers in the shop. That's That's exactly what my story is.

748
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.239
I was. It was random when
I was in high school and my

749
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:28.360
family and I would be watching TV
or on a computer or whatever, and

750
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:35.199
we would just all of a sudden, get this bullfighter here, come back?

751
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:42.519
Who was out there riding the waves
denied come back? And it would

752
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.800
it would literally mess up the the
picture on the screen, and it would

753
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:51.880
come through clear enough to hear every
single word through the speakers, and it

754
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.599
would it would do that on on
TV or computer, anything that was on

755
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.119
that had speakers on it, that
that would come through. And it's the

756
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:05.079
mother trucker looking for any runaways going
back. I'm looking for a convoy.

757
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.119
If you're here, Um, there's
no more convoy jokes on this channel.

758
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:13.239
You just get the out of here. Over. It was our next door

759
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.920
neighbor who had a CB radio and
we, I mean we had to talk

760
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:20.000
to him to be like, listen, dude, you can't just broadcast at

761
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.920
at eight pm, you know,
every weeknight. We're trying to enjoy some

762
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:30.760
quality primetime entertainment on our electrical devices
and you're just just blasting over every signal

763
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:35.360
in the neighborhood. And he literally
was and he's like, oh, sorry,

764
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.760
you know, and he cut back, but like I didn't realize I

765
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:46.760
was c being so hard. So
yeah, that that kind of stuff that

766
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:53.360
that yeah, literally literally happens,
although we never for once thought, oh,

767
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:59.159
these are voices of the dead trying
to contact you know, truckers out

768
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.440
there. Yeah. Yeah, And
and I can see. I mean you're

769
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:07.079
you're stationary and someone is in a
truck and they're they're mobile at a rate

770
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.000
of speed. If you're near a
highway, you are going to get like

771
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:15.039
this, this fade in two seconds
of words and fade back out, you

772
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.239
know, like you're gonna get that
Like, Yeah, that really fits the

773
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.840
pattern. I think that's completely plausible. Yeah, but there was no water

774
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:27.440
in that basement, Flora, We're
gonna have to work harder. I'm not

775
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:31.920
even touching that. I'm done with
that. This Also, I think it's

776
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.519
funny with the Beethoven example, because
who's to say there's not either remnants of

777
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:47.639
or current streams of radio transmissions out
there carrying music or you know, advertisements

778
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:53.559
or whatever whatever has been recorded and
transmitted. It could be bouncing around in

779
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:59.079
the sky right now. So for
somebody to pick up just music like that.

780
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.679
Yeah, Yeah, radios transmit music
twenty four seven. Yeah, you're

781
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:09.599
always gonna you're gonna you're gonna get
those things. You get an atmospheric inversion

782
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.880
and suddenly, I mean, am
radio, Uh you can go everywhere.

783
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.360
I mean there's yeah, I mean
that example, I'm just like that.

784
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:21.079
That is a snippet of of a
radio station that is playing classical music.

785
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:28.840
Yeah, you know if if not
hoaxed the basement water that that thing has

786
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:33.519
no explanation. I it's freaky.
It exists solely for people who sleep too

787
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.320
much. It's here that and you
don't have to worry about it splits me

788
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:40.760
into two camps, and and they're
not even gonna war with each other,

789
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.880
fight or flight. Yeah, basically, Um, so let's talk about a

790
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.199
couple of the psychological aspects. Yeah, now, this is this is important.

791
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.880
And we were we were dabbling in
this with our with our game about

792
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:56.239
trying to hear it. Um,
yeah, so this is this is I

793
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.360
love this because I think that you
might agree, especially if you do any

794
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.880
looking of your own on the internet, so you can find tons and tons

795
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:08.239
of these EVP audio files. Um, don't look for video files on YouTube.

796
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:10.760
It's just a waste of your time. I mean, it's just it's

797
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.800
just a waste. But you're going
to run across this as well. Floor.

798
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:15.360
I hit them with the science.
The first one we got, the

799
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:23.360
first phenomena, hit them harder.
It's called paradolia. This is a psychological

800
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:30.599
phenomena of recognizing patterns, shapes,
and familiar objects and otherwise vague or random

801
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:35.000
stimulus. It's um, it's the
brain trying to make sense out of nonsensical

802
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:39.880
input. It's it's it's looking for
shapes in the clouds. Yeah, classic

803
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.119
example, also rorscheck tests. Oh
yeah, the ink blots. I don't

804
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:45.960
know how they get all those naked
pictures of my mom, but but they

805
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:49.559
do, they do, and they're
they're everywhere. It's standardized. Now this,

806
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:53.199
this one, I'm gonna can happen
with any sense. Doesn't have to

807
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.519
happen with your ears or eyes.
Right. You can get a suggestion of

808
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.880
a touch or some pill or something
like that too. Now I've seen that

809
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:05.760
this is it's a type of something
called apophenia, which is the unmotivated seeing

810
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:12.800
of connections, in other words,
finding significance in meaningless data or events.

811
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:17.519
And I think that includes hindsight bias. Oh yeah, yep. And this

812
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.800
you're you're going to hear a term
called priming when you get into this.

813
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:28.039
Yeah, And it's a suggested sense
or something something called priming that increases something

814
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:32.360
being understood by your brain. So
this is why we say we can't make

815
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:38.000
out what these things say. But
then when we get a suggestion of oh

816
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:41.639
it's saying you know, McKees fell
down the grate. Then we're like,

817
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.719
that's exactly what it's saying, right, Yeah, Or you get a snippet

818
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.159
of the story. Yeah, you
don't even necessarily need to have them say

819
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.960
what you heard, but you say, oh, this was this happened in

820
01:06:53.000 --> 01:07:01.039
the mechanics garage, or you lose
Yeah, and forever he was damned to

821
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:05.360
toil and work on a hydraulic system
that no one could save, and there

822
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:10.960
he sits alone at night, damning
himself and cursing the fate that have brought

823
01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:19.840
him here the hell's mechanics chap.
But you can't. Yeah, just having

824
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.639
the context, your brain will fill
it in. Yeah, so that's the

825
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:28.840
psychology behind it, which I can
totally get behind. See, I'm a

826
01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.119
big fan of the EVP folks.
Yeah, because more than anybody else so

827
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.519
far. I mean, these are
guys that are that are really trying to

828
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:41.039
give it a scientific breakdown, and
they're into it and most everything that you're

829
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.239
going to find is not for profit. They're they're not making any money.

830
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:45.039
In fact, it costs a lot
of money for them to do this.

831
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.920
Yeah, that equipment is not cheap. Yeah, case in point, this

832
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:55.039
podcast right right exactly, not not
cheap to produce. All right, So

833
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.320
I got one more explanation that I
really like. All Right. I don't

834
01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.079
claim that it's a viable at all, but I really think it's cool.

835
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:08.119
What if this stuff is subconscious projections
of researchers thoughts imprinted on the tape of

836
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:15.280
the device. I thought that was
cool because then it could explain some of

837
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:19.239
the answers that people get, could
explain just crap that's going through somebody's head.

838
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:24.119
Yeah, I mean I kind of
like and don't like that. Yeah,

839
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:28.239
I mean that's to me that explanation
falls into their bucket of like,

840
01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:31.880
well, we came to find a
ghost, but I secretly think someone's telekinetic

841
01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:35.760
in the house, like you can't. I Yeah. This this one,

842
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:40.600
though, I think, is applied
more from an outside perspective as opposed to

843
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.039
the evpers thinking that they are doing
this. Yeah yeah, I'm just I

844
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:48.840
mean it's possible, but I mean, how what a terrible intersection of looking

845
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:53.760
for one mystery and the answer as
another one, you know, like that's

846
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:58.840
that's that's bad luck. So that's
that's what I got for for EVP.

847
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.960
That's that's an a wave form.
Nutshell. Yeah, thanks thanks again Tom

848
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.680
for for putting us on this path. It's it's fun. Yeah, I'm

849
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.600
in and we're gonna I mean,
if you get the Stones email us.

850
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.640
Hey did you hear that? Shut
up? No, wait, let me

851
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:17.239
play this back. I think it's
I think that's a sound of puns.

852
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:24.560
Oh god, alright, I'm not
going to classify these puns. Actually,

853
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.359
wait, wait, we're gonna terrify
you with our puns. Who starts.

854
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:35.960
We left a microphone in the basement
of of Uncle Fire's chuckle Hut outside of

855
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:40.640
Saint Louis, Missouri. It's it's
a sixty year old comedy book club,

856
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:44.479
and we left it for three days
and we came back. These puns were

857
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:46.680
the only thing on the on the
tape, No, I was just setting

858
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.800
up puns. That wasn't even my
pun. So so I'm starting. Yeah,

859
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.039
all right, all right, I
think this is going to be a

860
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:57.960
class C pun. Okay, it's
an event when your computer presents you with

861
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:04.600
more options than just okay or cancel
or save. It's ECP Electronic choice phenomena.

862
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:10.279
Oh god, pretty bad quality.
Well, you know, I'm gonna

863
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.920
get mine. I'm gonna get my
EVP one out of the way too,

864
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.079
Okay, okay. In the early
nineties, power tools really took off and

865
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.119
everyone was enjoying them. But and
no one liked to spend all the time

866
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:23.000
cranking. You know, if you
had to hold something in place on your

867
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.560
work bench, you know, it
took forever to turn that crank and get

868
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.000
it to tighten up. And Black
and Decker was the first person to step

869
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:33.560
in and automate that, which kicked
off the entire electronic vice phenomenon. Kill

870
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:44.079
me who Yeah, Black and Decker, your turn. Okay, So you

871
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.239
know how we're talking about that psychological
phenomenon of pardolion. Yeah, yeah,

872
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:53.720
yeah. I've got a third party
presidential candidate from the afterlife. His name

873
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:59.319
is Ross Parolia. He just in
whatever he says you just have to interpret

874
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:03.840
as making sense. Yeah. I
like that. It's Ross Pero still alive

875
01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:08.199
though I think he is, and
I'm still getting miles out of it.

876
01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:12.680
It still counts, all right.
I've got a I got a pretty good

877
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.720
one. Oh good? Is it? Class ad? It might be.

878
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:19.520
I'll leave it to I'll leave it
to the audience to determine this okay topical.

879
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:25.720
Yeah, it's a it's a movie
trailer. William O'Neill had it all

880
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:31.479
a job, a house, a
car, and everything changed when he started

881
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:40.239
hearing the voice of George Mueller a
ghost. Not only does George want him

882
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:44.079
to stop everything to build a machine
to speak to the dead, but he

883
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:50.439
also wants him to ask his daughter
out on a date. This spring the

884
01:11:50.680 --> 01:12:02.159
Speira rom com Oh gosh, I
think people would have preferred that we leaved

885
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:06.720
the MIC's quiet for I'd rather I'd
rather hear a demon shout at me.

886
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:15.840
I'd rather hear a lot of a
lot of high frequency Just uh, you,

887
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.279
guys. Not only was the episode
spooky, the puns were scarier.

888
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:25.039
Oh man, terrifying. I'll never
sleep again. Thanks for getting through here.

889
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:30.119
Yeah, thank you. You're each
of you amazing and clearly unflappable.

890
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:32.920
Yeah. We tried to flap you. You weren't having it. Nope,

891
01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:36.680
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892
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:40.680
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893
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:43.760
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894
01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:45.880
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895
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:50.039
was a direct result of a listener
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896
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:59.640
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897
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898
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899
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.840
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904
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905
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906
01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.439
the great ratings and stuff, the
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907
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:42.159
that. Yeah, seriously, for
this episode of Blurry Photos, I have

908
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:55.720
been David Flora. Oh nice,
and I remained David and I thought it

909
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.039
was the half podcast to get No, no, no, that's it.

910
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:02.159
That's it's me letting the Spirit Realm
decide who I have been this week,

911
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:04.880
which, by the way, the
Spirit Realm will be played by you and

912
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:10.520
punch Room. Yeah, so there
you go. You can do whatever you

913
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:12.720
weng with that awesome bye