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What is going on Clippers fans?
Will's coffin. We're getting right into episode

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one forty six of Clips and Dip. I am the Duglockler, joined by

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Will Updike and Adam oz and all. Sorry, this is episode one forty

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seven. What am I doing?
We're all over the place very clearly the

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offseason. We are Clips and part
of the two and three hoops Empire.

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You can find us on YouTube YouTube
dot com slash at Clippers podcast. You

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can find us on Twitter at Clippers
pod. Last week we talked about some

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playoff grades for the Clippers. We
did Russ and ty Low. We're going

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to the rest of the starters in
the bench today, but first we got

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a couple birthday week boys here.
Adam, Will, you're both a year

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older than the last time we've spoken. You've aged that quickly in a week.

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Adam, how are you feeling now
that you are twenty four? I

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believe it's twenty three, but I'll
give it to you. Uh. We

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aged that quickly in a week because
we had no Clippers basketball for a week

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basically. But it's good to be
here. I appreciate you guys coming to

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my party. The other night we
had a good time. It was fun.

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Check out the picture we took with
Carl Tart that's at clippers Pod on

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our Twitter accolt Will Happy birthday to
you. Are you twenty four or twenty

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three? What are you going with? Yeah, it's crazy, man.

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Let me tell you. We'll have
the same birthday as Tylu, which is

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fun. No word on the joint
party yet. Um. Which is nearly

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the same birthday as Paul George.
That's true. Um, And I think

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the Zobots and I have the same
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I'm in August, he's in March. Not sure why I thought that.

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Um. All right, let's get
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starters, which was kind of an
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think we should probably start with Kawhi
Leonard. For those of you who forgot,

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Kawhi Leonard only played in two games. He average thirty four points,

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six and a half boards, six
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fifty four percent from the floor,
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from the free throw line. Half
of this production on a torn meniscus bind

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you. Elite Defense finished with a
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What is our Kawhi Leonard grade.
I was almost thinking incomplete, but he

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played so well in those two games. This is kind of a weird one,

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right birthday boy number two? What
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those of you who are not watching
your podcasts on YouTube, the guy had

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thirty one on a torn meniscus and
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game two and went the other way
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give Kawhi Leonard an a plus.
His defense was on point. He ended

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up guys with shooting splits in those
two games, and I was concerned about

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a falloff here of fifty five percent
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A thirty five, and dare I
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was sustainable had he stayed healthy.
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his level from regular season to the
postseason, regardless of how amazing he was

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in the regular season, which I
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and he surpassed it in the playoffs
in a mirror two games. Unfortunately,

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but hopefully, this is not the
best of Kawhi Leonard, and once

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again, he comes back from an
injury stronger and better than ever. Will.

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Oh No, I'm two one.
Yeah, you're a birthday boy two.

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Will's birthday boy one. I'd have
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don't know how it was anything else, you know, like a respectful incomplete

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was what I was thinking. Maybe. Yeah. I mean what we saw

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though was pretty it was it was
pretty damn complete. Um. Yeah,

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I mean it's just unfortunate for it
to end this way. I don't know,

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you know, I don't know how
else to say it, you know,

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but I don't know how it could
be anything less than an A.

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I think that, you know,
even if Paul George, you know,

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as we thought, wouldn't be good
to go for the entirety of the first

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round. I mean, I think
Kauhai still is enough maybe for the Clippers

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to get that done in round one. Yeah, I think of a couple

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more guys play better, which we'll
talk about in the next sement. Like

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it's totally doable that the Clippers get
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I don't see his minutes in here, but he was, you know,

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he was playing some absurd stretches too, So yeah, it had to be

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an a. I don't I don't
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and thirty nine minutes, So he
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Someone on Reddit pointed out because they
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had twenty four field goals made in
two games in eighty minutes. Joel Embiid

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has twenty two field goals made in
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minutes, which is pretty crazy to
think about. I almost want to give

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him the will updyke P for perfect. That's his grade. He gets the

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double p okay, let's I don't
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So the net rating is something we're
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three point five. But we're gonna
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some of these starters, right.
So the next one is Eric gordon Um,

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the most the roundest head in basketball. He averaged ten points, one

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board, two point six assists,
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thirty four percent from three on just
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is defense minus six point eight net
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eyes, I'm gonna give him a
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Game one with his nineteen points,
went three seven from distance, seven or

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fourteen from the field, but he
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He ended up shooting just forty one
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from the outside. And I'm not
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I'm gonna say this for a lot
of guys. They didn't bring him in

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with the expectations of he needs to
get twenty per game in the playoffs for

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the Clippers to win. But I
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the ten per game that he ended
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due to the circumstances. And they're
from deep, right, like thirty four

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percent, You're like, uh so, kish, But I think you're right,

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you know, and a lot more
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Game one was maybe the Eric Gordon
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big down the stretch. It wasn't
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His nineteen were a little bit unexpected. But I think if he got one

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more of those in the next four
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games, maybe there would have been
one more game to play. Still C

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plus not not bad. Well,
are you on the seat train for your

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favorite Clippers betch player? Yeah,
I might have to go CE minus uh

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and And this is always for me
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expectations. And I would say he
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Um But I do have to say, in his defense, he was

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put into a really weird role,
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he's a role player, like truly
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that, um, I think that
not having a lot of certainty in that

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um And and certainly once Kawhi went
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just Russ sort of you know,
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or for worse, whatever it was, what it was, it's over now.

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him to thrive in offensively, Yeah, defensively yeah, I mean like a

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little a little under a little underwhelming
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one to me because did you get
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through how many games did he play? Eighteen games, fifteen games forever

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in the regular season? Um,
did you get enough of a sample size

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to make a decision on next year's
deal? Which is weird not fully guaranteed

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for Gordon, So like I think
for it making the backup pointcard or something

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like, it seems like he wants
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yeah, yeah, I think that
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So maybe I maybe C minus is
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C is very fair because your guys
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which I think, like stop bad
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year for the basketball headed DJ?
It depends if they're able to bring back

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Russ or not. If they can, I would say he's less of a

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need because there's normal pal, because
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get more minutes for Bones Highland.
It's not that I think he had a

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bad stint back with the Clippers.
I just don't think it was overwhelmingly positive

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to the point where you have to
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he gonna be thirty five next season. We likely have seen the best of

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Eric Gordon in his career at this
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you know, above his head type
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a big way and just carries you
for a quarter. I'm not sure smash

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Gordon. I'm not sure i'd bring
him back, But that is a really

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good trade ship because he can be
another expiring contract for the Clippers should they

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want to go that route with him. He will turn thirty five on Christmas

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this year. Well, never mind, you got to bring back baby Jesus.

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You can't. You can't short him
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go see two for EJ all right, a visa zoobots nine points, I

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know, nine point six boards,
fifty six percent from the floor, which

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is seven percent worse than his regular
season field goal percentage minus nine point to

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net rating. I have a note
in here was he the most disappointing Clipper

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of this postseason? And we love
Zoo more so than the next time.

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We're gonna talk about no because he
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Person who played more games I guess
I might have been. He might have

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been like I was hoping we called
him top ten on this podcast. I

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was hoping he was gonna go it
eight and a little harder. Yeah,

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Doodoo Zoo is a very fair name. Right now. He did not have

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a good playoffs and is that on
You know, missing PG is big,

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but I think all Clippers fans wanted
more from Zoo in this postseason. Will

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your thoughts other than saying Doodoo Zoo
over and over look? I mean,

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yeah, this for me was a
d This for me was a I'd go

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I, um, yeah, fully, I look, and it's not an

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indictment on his season as a whole
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I mean, for God's sakes,
he almost averaged a double double,

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which we've been begging Zoo to do
for how many years now? And you

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know it, he's a player who
has made incremental improvements. I was just

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severely underwhelmed by what he was able
to provide in this postseason. And there

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were times where I thought, you
know, we've talked about the hands a

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lot. I thought that. I
just thought that offensively he was a liability

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in a way that even as good
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what the Clippers were able to do, especially with ties outlook for this team.

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Yeah, I think so, And
I you know, he's obviously the

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better defensive player, but I,
you know, I think that Mason had

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some some highlights that will probably burn
a little bit a little bit brighter and

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Clippers fans memories over this over this
offseason. And I'm not in any way

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suggesting that he should get the starting
job over him or anything, but like

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this was this was a regression to
me, like this was this, This

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was zoo Alah twenty nineteen, Like
when you know, we weren't sure what

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his playoff utility would be, and
I, you know, the matchup was

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tough. I didn't think that he
was always able to take advantage of some

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of the mismatches and stuff that he
got. I I thought that this was

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a little bit of a rough,
a rough Zoo one and and overall,

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I thought it was kind of punctuated
by stuff that we saw all regular season,

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which was he's a very easy guy
to read when things aren't going his

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way, Like the body language isn't
great, the focus isn't great. Um,

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I just thought we saw a continuation
of some of that stuff, and

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I gotta be honest, there there
are some questions about Zoo's drive. Um

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and you know, look, man, I hate to say this, but

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there is like a thing about the
mentality of this team that isn't always you

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know, clearly by by you know, by process and from what we've seen,

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like that isn't always there game on
the line to win. It's not

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you know, we don't have We're
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and like scratching our head as so
why we're losing. And I think that

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that's something that I see Zoo as
a long term thing, but that is

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like one of those issues that needs
to be addressed. And I think that

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Zoo, if we you know,
we have to ask ourselves some really hard

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questions I think this offseason, right, I mean, we can't just trot

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out the same thing and expect a
different result, expect Paul George to pay.

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You know, I think Zoo,
despite this playoff performance, is one

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of the more attractive pieces in a
trade in terms of salary value, what

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he provides durability. I do.
I'm not saying like that that is for

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sure what should happen. I'm not
a knee jerk guy. On one bad

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postseason performance through only five games.
But like Man, Zoo is one of

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those tough questions. I think you
have to ask yourself if you're the front

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office, if you're the coaching staff
for this team, I really do.

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I still feel like in games in
Game one he was pretty good. The

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first half of Game five he was
very good, but then plumbly took over

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the second half obviously and down the
stretch and got rewarded with more minutes.

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It's not that Zoo was terrible,
no, not at all. The narrative

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around him from clip or Nation has
been what a bargain his contract was.

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Instead of playing above that in this
playoff series, I'd say he played at

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that. He got nine to nine. That's a great way to a great

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way to put it at him.
Like Will said, he was almost said

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ten and ten for the series in
less than I think twenty five minutes per

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game. That's not awful. Eighton
was its sixteen and eleven with almost ten

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more minutes per game out there.
He didn't get destroyed, but he didn't

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raise his level of play and make
you go, look what a steel of

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etzas zu bots is, Look at
how much should be on his plate because

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he's capable of doing this when needed
to step into a bigger role. He

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just didn't do that. We were
waiting for him to take that next step.

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This was a really big opportunity for
him. I wouldn't go back and

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say it was twenty nineteen against the
Warriors or anything like that, but that

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was dramatic. Fine, given the
expectations that are on him now, it

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kind of makes sense in some ways. So I was disappointed his performance,

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and I'm gonna go D as well. Yep, straight d's for Aviza zo

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Bots. Now we are going to
talk. I don't know if we should

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talk this one now, but it
is the next order on the rundown.

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Marcus Morris. He played three games. He averaged eight points, four boards,

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zero thirty four percent from the flour, sixteen percent from three on four

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attempts per game, minus thirteen point
seven net rating, which I believe was

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the worst on the whole team for
the playoffs f F minus see me after

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class. It was horrible, Like, I don't know, this is I

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this is like grounds for expulsion.
I feel like I think it's not even

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a grade. You're getting a letter
from the Dean being like Hey, we

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know you played your eye this and
you still gotta f. You played your

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eyes the bad paper and you gotta
We're not even gonna get you an F.

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That's too high of a grade.
He didn't get paddled like in Dazed

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and Confused or anything like that.
His Game five in the first half was

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pretty impressive. He came out in
great effort. I think it's the first

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half for the rest of the game. I don't think he played a ton

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in the second half, but there
may have been a reason for that.

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I'm gonna go D mine it's relative
to expectations, and he's still is getting

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a D minus from me. What's
the difference between a D minus and a

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half Adam say the first half against
the Suns in Game five. That's me

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Adam loves fifty one percent, but
he won't give it out as a grade.

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Makes you think Nick Batum took Morris's
place for a hot SEC didn't really

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like it because he couldn't get into
a rhythm. Averaged four to two and

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one, forty two percent from the
floor, thirty five percent from three on

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just three attempts per game, minus
five point six net rating. The defense

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was really the bright spot for Nick
Batum, but I think he might be

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in C minus range. For me, he was mistaken. I was thinking

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C midus. He had the great
ending in Game five that gave them an

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opportunity where he finally started to knock
down everything from the outside, but overall

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they needed more from him offensively with
the guys who were out Defensively, still

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more than solid was a plus on
that end. Guarded Kevin Duransom roamed around.

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I'm starting to agree that he may
have lost half a step this season

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from where he was one, but
he still is very good. And like

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Rocco, if you surround Nicholas Batum
still with good defenders next to him,

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that elevates his defense too totally,
so you know, it takes away some

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of his weaknesses or the holes in
his game, just like with Rocco.

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Yeah, he's not the quickest when
it comes to playing one on one and

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stay in front of a guy,
but he makes up for it with his

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quick hands and if other good defenders
are around him, he can help be

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a collective team defender out there.
And that's where That's the area or territory

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that Batum I think is heading towards
as he's getting older, but I still

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see him as very valuable for this
team, especially in limited minutes. You

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can't expect him, I think,
any more to play thirty five to forty

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minutes in playoff games. But if
you've given him twenty to twenty five,

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I think he could still be an
elite defender in shorter stance at times.

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Well, this goes. This is
part of the conversation with the Clippers right

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as our power forward rotation outside of
Kawai and PG is old and Quasi busted

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for the most part. But will
your thoughts on but two pain has been

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to say this is a C minus
to D performance for me. He had

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some great highlights defensively, still there
such a glue guy can lift so many

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lineups. I'm just at the point
right now where with like the three point

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shooting, it was so great at
points during the season, it is a

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little inconsistent. I'm just I don't
think this is a twelve million dollars a

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year guy anymore. And like I
said, that really pains me to say.

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But you got I mean, how
much money do you have tied up

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between just him and Robert Covington.
I mean, you're you're talking like twenty

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six twenty eight mill there. I
mean, that's that's a lot of money.

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You hadn't move into that, and
you're you're well into forty plus million

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dollars for other guys. Yeah,
those are three guys that, like maybe

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one of the three, like one
of the three deserves to be in a

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championship level playoff rotation. And we're
talking about those minutes shrinking and shrinking.

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I love Nick Patum. I have
been I who have been a ride or

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die for Nick Patum since days before
day one on this. But twelve million

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a year for this, I just
like, with the new tax laws and

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everything, like, we just can't
do it. I'm sorry, we can't.

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We can't do it. I don't
think twelve million is too much for

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what he gave this season. If
he can reproduce this, he's still shot

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almost forty percent from the outside.
It was just so up and down,

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and really Clipper Nation paid attention to
this. If you look at his his

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final numbers on the season, they
don't look necessarily as bad as his overall

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performance was on a night's a night
basis, which just how streaky he was.

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I think him being the starter though
or being in that range. I'm

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not sure that works anymore. First
of all, he doesn't want to.

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Second of all, I don't think
he can play thirty minutes per night during

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the regular season, and you need
an upgrade in athleticism, and that's the

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most glaring hole at the fourth spot. I would love Nicholas Beatum even still

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for twelve million, coming off the
bench and giving you fifteen to twenty minutes

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a night. I still think he
could help solidify some rotations where you do

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have more offensive focused players on the
floor next to him, where he can

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make up for that and do some
of the little things out there. Yeah,

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I mean it's very much dependent on
you know, It's like the same

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thing I was talking about with Zoo
is, like it's very much dependent on

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what direction this team decides they want
to head in. And I do think

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the nick between can be a part
of that future. But then some significant

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pieces need to move around him,
because Yeah, there's something really fair though

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to your point of those contracts,
they're starting to become worth more based on

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themselves being expiring deals they are for
their play on the court. It's starting

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to get into that territory for all
three of the forwards with the Clippers.

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It's very true speaking of a guy
who's not really in that category but was

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around beteam on the floor. Norm
Powell pretty okay. Series twenty two points

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a game, three boards, two
assists, forty seven percent from the floor

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from three on six attempts per game
average, the second most free throw attempts

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on the team, just behind Kauai, and actually shot two more per game

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in the playoffs than the regular season, which is something I was a little

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bit worried about. But you know, we got reward on that. He

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kind of gave us everything we needed. Like given the situation, I might

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give Norm like a B plus B. Hey, hey hey we am like

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we kind of had to live and
die by Norm. And I'm not saying

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that, like I'm not even saying
that like that that's the way that this

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team should be built. It like
that's the way that they run. But

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so much was put on his shoulders. And I think for a guy,

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you know, a guy who comes
off the bench and walks into twenty,

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I don't know what more he really
could have given. Yes, there's there.

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He has his limitations and stuff,
But like I said, some of

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these grades for me are based on
my expectations and NORM to me like was

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everything as build uh and end some
more. And I think that, you

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know, could he have stayed on
a heater or or given us another crazy

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game like another there was two NORM
games saying this, uh, you know

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it at least goes to six.
So I I, for me, it

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have to be an a honestly fair
Adam. I'm gonna shockingly go b only

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because while he did, I know
this is gonna be crazy. Guess while

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he did getting efficient twenty per game
over twenty one points efficient from the outside,

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it was really two games that were
heavily weighted into those numbers and his

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final stat line because three of them
he got what fourteen points or less?

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He had fourteen points in two games
and twelve points in another game. And

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I think if you just had more
consistency across the board with him of getting

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closer to twenty per game and each
of them instead of having the wild forty

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two point game and just you know, I know, I know I'm nitpicking

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a little bit here, but I
scores two Adams upset about it. Look,

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they're not all created equal. Every
forty point game and they lost anyways,

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now, he was still awesome at
times. I just wanted to see

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a little bit more consistency with Norm. So I'm going to be and he

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is capable of doing just that.
I'm giving you twenty in every game.

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So but I love Normpal. He
supposedly loves Norm Peal despite giving him a

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B. So we did the Hodgepodge
of starters. All of them had minus

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net ratings. Coming up, we're
gonna be talking the bench playoff grades.

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Not too much does anyone to have
a positive net rating if you lose the

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series in five games. Every single
bench player does, which we'll get into,

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which is super weird. Coming up, we got ads are gonna be

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a little bit loud for some people. If that's your case, go ahead

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turn it down. Bench playoff grades
coming up after these ads in three two

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one. All right, so we're
back here at clips and DIP and we're

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gonna dig into the playoff grades for
the bench players. Let's start with Terrence,

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the guy who I think everyone wanted
to see more of. Kick it

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over to you, Adam, what's
your grade for Terrence Man? He said

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D No. I didn't say D
but I'm thinking about D NO. I

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gotta go with a C grade.
I'm gonna go at the sea. See.

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I thought he was okay, but
he didn't have one game where he

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scored more than thirteen points and they
needed more. No, if Terence Man

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could go out there and get thirty
nine like he did against the Utah Jazz,

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I'm just looking for a few games
here and there where he gets close

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to twenty points. That's all.
I don't think too high issue with that.

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He played three more minutes per game
in a series without Kawai and Paul

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George than he did in the regular
season. He was seas why though,

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I said, going in he's got
an average fifteen? Why not because I

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think you know he's not a very
good player, because that'll keep him on

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the floor. If he's doing more
offensively, Coach Lou won't go away from

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him. But that's what's so frustrating. He was like, I just fifty

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seven percent from the floor, forty
seven percent from three on or attempts a

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game, plus three point eight net
rating, Like I think it's more on

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Tylu. I don't know, man, I gotta give him. I guess

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a B like he he, I
don't know if you're plus rated in a

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series, you're losing five and you
shoot forty seven percent on more than like

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two attempts a game, you're affecting
the game positively. Well, you give

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him an f F no. I
Man, So this was a little bit

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hard for me because I still feel
like it's a little bit of an incomplete

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like what does this series look like
if we actually get what we want,

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like if we actually see more Terrence
Man, if he actually has a role

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that's semi defined, not even you
know that he has to be the starting

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point guard. I know that that's
like way too far out of the realm

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of possibility now, but there's so
many questions that I have about he becomes

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another guy. To me, that's
like another difficult question. And I think,

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like absolutely the Clippers should lean into
him and keep him. But at

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the same time, if that's not
there, you got people chomping at the

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bit for this guy, like it's
maybe it's time to move on. Um

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And I I mean if I was
Terrence Man, if I was Terrence Man,

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I would but um, yeah,
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go A

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But it's like with a question mark
because I still feel like I just still

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feel like we Yeah, we just
like we haven't seen I don't feel as

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though we've seen the full potential of
Terrence yet. And I feel Terrence,

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Yeah, I thought, and we've
talked about this before, that maybe he

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had a like an achieved a ceiling
and I and I don't think that that's

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true. I think that maybe he's
hit the ceiling that he's ever gonna get

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to with this team. Um,
but that to me like begs more questions

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of so then what like what is
the plan for roster construction science Terrence?

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Or you know, like how are
you gonna only utilize this player in this

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very limited and honestly like super inconsistent
Yeah, that's very fair, all right,

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Mason plumbling. Oh and we didn't
talk that. Can we talk for

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one second? I know we gotta
speedies up, but can we talk about

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the Terrence man l n f AO
about the front shortly after that was supposedly

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about the Manchester United soccer game that
was happening at the time. But I

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don't know if I totally buy that
was there on a game happening at that

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time. I don't know. I
just have to be like, no,

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I'm watching a replay, what are
you guys doing. I just think the

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timing of it. It was like, come on, dude, like minutes

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after they put out these quotes about
how Terrence was used, Well, you

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tweet out, m maybe he just
likes the band. I don't know.

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Do you think he was on Twitter
though, actively looking at those votes,

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because he doesn't seem to be that
active that often on Twitter. I don't

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think you don't. He could have
been his I don't think his agent or

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somebody sent him those quotes. If
I knew Terrence Man and I saw that

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quote, I would immediately bey,
oh did you see this dude quote?

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It's possible that I'm gonna take him
at his word. All right, all

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right, Mason Plumley part of a
fun run to close the end there,

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you know, eight seven and two
eighty seven percent from the floor plus two

409
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,400
point six net rating. I gotta
give Mason an a. He did exactly

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what we needed him to do,
right, Like, he earned some extra

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burns. He was playing well offensively, like be sure like, but you

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00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:51,359
know, I think he exceeded that
less the man totally agree. Um was

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Game five, his first double double
in like six years or eight years in

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the playoffs was it was it since
he played the Clippers in twenty sixteen with

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Portland, because he reached you know, we talked about flip the switch all

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the time when when the going got
tough, Mason Plumly went playoff Plumbly.

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He looked amazing in that second half
of Game five, that play he had

418
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where he had the steel and took
a coast to coast the other way,

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but finishing with twenty and ten and
keeping Zoo off the floor when he was

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having a pretty good first half.
I was impressed. I'll go with a

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B plus overall for Plumbly. All
right, Uh bones Highland not afraid to

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shoot, but they weren't exactly going
in uh eight one and one, thirty

423
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four percent from the floor, twenty
five percent from three plus three point two

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net rating. I might go see
c I might go see he was twenty

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five percent from three CDs US,
what are you gonna give an A?

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You're gonna give him an A for
going twenty five percent from three? I

427
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was thinking, I think, of
Bot, it's terrible. He's two.

428
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Yeah, I don't know what I
think. If we're going off of which

429
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obviously there's no real rubric here.
There's no real standard. If everyone to

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like playoff performance versus expectation, this
would have to be a high B to

431
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an A for me. I'm serious, and I know that, Like,

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sure, the numbers aren't great.
Uh, we knew that he would struggle

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around the rim. The shooting from
three obviously a disappointment from you know what

434
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he's done earlier in his career.
But he's another like exciting possibility that really

435
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,119
like gave I mean some juice and
some life to this team. Um and

436
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,559
I I you know, I and
who knows how this looks if if we

437
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,359
don't have both Kawai and Paul Georgetown. But like I didn't really see him

438
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,599
touching the floor much in this playoff
series. And there were times where I

439
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,440
mean I thought that he was great. I mean, he's He's a huge

440
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,640
part of the reason I think that
that whole bench, um flash mob whatever,

441
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,240
it was, a flash in the
pan. That's a great point,

442
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,319
all right, I guess I'll raise
it to a C for me. If

443
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,480
the Sunstone get forty six free throws
attempted in game three, we're talking about

444
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,240
bows Highland winning the Clippers a playoff
game. That was his right quarter and

445
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:22,839
if my mom got hit by a
bus tomorrow. She died, Like,

446
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,279
I don't what are you talking about? Like, I'm just saying it wasn't

447
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:29,839
add that they got forty six free
throws. He was amazing. He had

448
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,359
twenty points and almost won them a
game. And his defense was good throughout

449
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,119
the entire series, even though his
shot was up and down. All right,

450
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,680
that's a great point, as all
are you going to Adam, I'm

451
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,559
going to be having been that excited, I'm so gonna be. Yeah,

452
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:47,440
I'm in the B plus camp friendly
grades. Um, all right, Robert

453
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:53,799
Covington played two games, did not
score. Uh, he was bad.

454
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,359
He had a stealing an assist.
I'm going like a d mind it.

455
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,480
Yeah, and I love Roco,
but it's not there right now, I'll

456
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,599
go see. He just didn't play
enough. That's an incomplete Basically, he

457
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880
didn't play much of that. That's
fair. I'll give myself an effort thinking

458
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,679
he would have played more in the
playoffs after everything. Oh that's on you,

459
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,000
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
fully on you. Right here,

460
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:19,119
guys, that's that teacher evaluation right
there, coming in clutch. Um,

461
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,679
all right, that wraps up the
playoff grades. Pretty average playoffs for the

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00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,679
Clippers missing their two stars. Coming
up, we have a final we're doing

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00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,039
to throw U. We're doing a
Love Mary quarantine for the birthday boys coming

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00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,199
up after this ad break, Um, go ahead and turn it down.

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If the ads have been lowed for
you, some people have had that experience.

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00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,840
AD break and then a fun game
coming up in three two one,

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Clips and Dip episode one forty seven. Here I'm Adam Oslin. We got

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00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,519
Chuck Mockler and Will update. Get
to us on Twitter at Clippers Pod.

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00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,239
At Clippers Podcast is where you can
watch us on YouTube. Now it's pretty

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00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,880
cool. Chuck, what the hell
is this game? We're doing Love Mary

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00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,800
Quarantine for the old listeners of Locked
on Clippers. This was something Will and

472
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,159
I used to do every Friday.
We changed it from Love Mary Kill because

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00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:12,000
of the pandemic. So in these
options, you guys are gonna pick something

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00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,119
you love, something you're gonna marry, and something you're gonna get the heck

475
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:20,199
away from you is Will used to
say. This category is gifts you two

476
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:27,519
would get from the Clippers players for
your birthday. We have Russ gives William

477
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,039
a kiss the cook apron, but
it's got Russ's face on it. For

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00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,320
his birthday, Adam receives a pair
of custom Star Wars them sneakers from Zoo,

479
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,880
who does like Star Wars and Wars
custom sneakers. However, they are

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00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:45,480
in Zoo's size. The final option
to show their appreciation for the wonderful coverage

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00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:49,480
you two provide the clippers. The
organization lets you practice with the team,

482
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:54,639
but your only duties are stop the
guys from trying to dunk Adam. Which

483
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,840
of these are you loving, marrying
and quarantining? Go? I'm going to

484
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:06,000
say what was the first one?
The first one? It's in the outline,

485
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,719
will get will Russell Westbrook gives William
a kiss the cook apron, but

486
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,880
it has Russell Westbrook's faced on it. So I love that Russ is giving

487
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,639
will a kiss the cook apron.
Yeahs okay, it's funny. I love

488
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:28,079
that. I will say I'll marry
the Star Wars shoes, but if they

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00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,480
have anything to do with the one
through three trilogy or the seventh through nine,

490
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:38,920
we're getting divorce. Look, I'm
a guy who watches the de specialized

491
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:44,760
editions of the old Star Wars movies. I'm afraid of what that means is

492
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:50,320
it means did not fucking shoot first. That's what that means. All right,

493
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,519
we're getting off the rails. So
you're so you don't want to practice

494
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,079
with the clippers, is what you're
saying. I'm quarantining that. Well,

495
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,719
I do, but not if I
have to stop guys from dunking on me.

496
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,239
If you don't believe in yourself,
that's fine. Will Which are you

497
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:14,639
loving marrying quarantining? I am loving
Adam is at the Clippers practice to stop

498
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:20,039
guys from dunking. And I'm just
hanging out where You're like, no cameras,

499
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,159
no no, no good about You're
just like the host at the and

500
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:31,679
one mixtape tour. Oh baby,
Adams, just a bloody pulp under the

501
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,239
rail. Uh. So I'm loving
that. I'm gonna go ahead and marry

502
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,679
the kiss the cook apron. I'm
gonna quarantine these shoes. Seems like Adam

503
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,960
has way too many specifications. I
don't know if he knows that much about

504
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,880
him. And Uh, the other
thing is is I feel like Adam would

505
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,519
feel guilty and try to wear these
shoes around. I don't need to run

506
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:59,559
into my man in some size fourteens
stopping around and I'm wearing the shoes you

507
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,960
could go to take. We go
to take a halfside picture. Adam falls

508
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,159
down the stairs from the one twelve
section all the way to Lauren in oversized

509
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,199
shoes. I don't want to see
that. I don't want that for my

510
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,800
man. All Right, it's Star
Wars night and I died falling down the

511
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,719
stairs. I mean there are worse
ways to go. Um, well,

512
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,480
happy birthday to you guys. Thank
you for being great co host by the

513
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,079
way, Um, I think that
about wraps it up. I have to

514
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,840
go to a meeting in two minutes. Next week we're gonna have Carl Chart

515
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,519
on the episode. We know he
has some thoughts about how the Clipper season

516
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:37,000
went. Um. Adam just rolled
his eyes. He's getting battle ready to

517
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:42,440
talk about subots. I'm sure we're
recording that episode, but for some reason,

518
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,119
I won't be able to be there. I'm very busy. I have

519
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,519
a shoe fitting. I need to
get whatever record you can find us.

520
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,599
Well, where can they find a
Spotify where? I don't know any apps?

521
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Yeah, you can check us out
on an Apple podcast. We're on

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00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:59,679
Spotify. Please review us there if
you haven't already. We'll definitely read it

523
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,400
loud on the show. It's the
off season, give us some content,

524
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,920
Come on, man. You can
listen to us on either one of those

525
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,239
platforms. You can also listen to
us on Stitcher. We're on Deezer,

526
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,440
We're on Google Podcast, We're on
Amazon Music. Anywhere you listening pocasts,

527
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,239
you can listen to show. Check
us out on YouTube that's at Clippers Podcast,

528
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:15,800
and chop it up with us anytime
over on Twitter that's at clippers Pod.

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00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:19,960
Thank you so much for listening.
Thank you so much for listening.

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00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,199
We're gonna bring you content again once
a week in the off season, going

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00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,440
to ramp up in case anything crazy
happens. Thank you, danveryone who's listened,

532
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,239
thanks to shout out to w GA. Also, we hope I can

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00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,519
get all figured out soon and as
always, go Clippers.
