WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:50.840 The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from 2 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:55.600 around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. 3 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:59.600 I hope this podcast finds everyone well. I hope you're having a good week. 4 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.840 We have a very special guest standing by you will be joining us in 5 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.760 just a moment. Before we get to Andrea. I just want to remind 6 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:10.319 everybody please do stop by the website. It is the flat earth Files at 7 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:15.439 gmail dot com. Again, it is the flat earth Files at gmail dot 8 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:18.599 com. Feel free to check out the chat room. 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Her name is Andrea and her 18 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.599 father, Bud, was on episode eight three. I was actually a guest 19 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:07.000 on her podcast. I can't even keep track of the time anymore. Maybe 20 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.879 it was a month or two ago, the Permaculture Princess podcast, which I 21 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.879 will put the link in the show description as well. I believe I was 22 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.759 on episode number forty one. Had a great time, and tonight she's joining 23 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:23.319 us on this podcast to tell her story. And welcome to the program, 24 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:28.400 Andrea. Andrea, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so 25 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:32.960 much. I am grinning ear to ear. I am usually on the interviewing 26 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:38.599 side, so forgive me if I'm nervous. Yeah, that's what we were 27 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.240 talking about beforehand when I came on yours, and I don't get the opportunity 28 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.000 to go on to me and other folks. It is kind of weird being, 29 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.319 you know, the one answering the questions instead of given to them. 30 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:52.800 But you have a tremendous podcast and it was honored to be on yours, 31 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:58.319 and I appreciate you coming on this absolutely. I am excited. I have 32 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.719 been listening to your podcast for quite a while now, and I think I 33 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:07.400 want to say I've heard every episode, or at least I'm like making my 34 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.639 way through, and I, you know, every so often get another one 35 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.719 in and I am to the point where, like when I go back, 36 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.759 I can remember, oh, you talk to this person about this, and 37 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.479 you know, and I just I wanted to join the conversation, is what 38 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:23.159 it came down to. You have really spectacular guests on, and they bring 39 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:28.599 up so many good points, and quite honestly, I love the conversation you 40 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.840 have started and the way that you bring people on to discuss their findings and 41 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:37.919 their journeys. Even if I'm just a very point zero zero one percent of 42 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:40.960 the quote unquote great awakening, I'm glad to be a part of it where 43 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:46.840 people should be able to have these type of conversations without being ashamed or being 44 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:52.240 labeled as such, right because I think once people take a good look and 45 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.879 use their critical thinking, people can quick to understand that many of the things 46 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.599 that we face in our life is full of lies. And so I don't 47 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:05.000 think there's anything wrong with questioning anything at this point. Absolutely. I So 48 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:10.840 it's interesting since my dad was on, we've had some correspondence from people that 49 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.639 have reached out to him, and I played personal assistant because he's not super 50 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.279 great in the tech, so I get to kind of be on the the 51 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:24.639 liaison for his emails. And one of the conversations he had was really cool. 52 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:30.439 Somebody called who had been raised Jehovah witness and he wanted to like ask 53 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.560 some clarifying questions about my dad's belief and it's just really neat. We didn't 54 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.720 I didn't get anybody that reached out in anger. There are a lot of 55 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.319 people that reached out with questions or you know, they wanted to clarify or 56 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.319 they said hey, hoorah, like this is what I'm studying as well. 57 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:49.680 I just I'm really excited about the community that you've built because I don't, 58 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:55.199 at least not yet, I haven't denbe with anyone like attacking somebody for believing 59 00:04:55.199 --> 00:05:00.199 differently, And it's more so a curiosity or a like, hey, I 60 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.560 see this a little bit differently. Have you considered this? And I have 61 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.480 appreciated that same thing with the podcast you were on for me. For my 62 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.160 podcast, I had a friend reach out and she said, hey, my 63 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.519 mom listened to that podcast and she got my dad to listen to it, 64 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.639 and he got all of his employees to listen to it, and it's just 65 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.160 it's neat that I don't know when you find people that are willing to have 66 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.879 the conversation. And that's the most important part, because I get and one 67 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.199 of the most popular questions I get is I've been trying to wake my spouse 68 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.800 up, my mom, my dad. And the biggest thing is you can 69 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.120 have the most conclusive evidence or you know, we talk about curvature, et 70 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:46.399 cetera. The bottom line is if that they're not ready to look into it, 71 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:47.480 it's just you're not going to be able to get through to them. 72 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.680 They have to be willing to accept the information. That's the biggest thing that 73 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:57.480 we found. Yeah, I agree completely, and not only except the operation 74 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.920 I have. I think that I've gotten to the where my beliefs differ, 75 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.879 not I don't want to say drastically, but Kanda drastically from a lot of 76 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:14.279 mainstream Christianity and a lot of the mainstream world story that I have finally accepted 77 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.040 that I don't actually have to convince anyone because that's the spirit of the like 78 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:24.360 the Lord's spirit does that. And if I wait till people are ready to 79 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:30.519 reach out or ready to have the conversation and do less advertising of it. 80 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.720 It's amazing how he brings people at the right time, in the right season 81 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:39.839 for them. So I'm excited about that. Yeah, one thousand percent. 82 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.720 Never know, and then I'll get an email and say, why didn't you, 83 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.120 you know, tell this guy when he said this, Why didn't you 84 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:46.560 go after him? This, that and the other thing. I just think 85 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.480 it's important that you allow people to speak their mind and their belief system, 86 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:57.600 because if you make it a conflict type of podcast, people won't come on 87 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.920 and share, and if they come on, they'll start listen more. And 88 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.399 most people already know my ideals and most of the other people's ideals, and 89 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.319 I think it's it could be detrimental to have the same type of conversation every 90 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.439 single time we've had. There's one hundred and six episodes or so, and 91 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.680 I think out of them, there's probably been eighty of them have been interviews, 92 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.279 and I've learned at least at a minimum, you know, two or 93 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:23.519 three things from every single guest, and I'm pretty sure all the listener has 94 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:28.319 as well. So I think it's important that we continue to welcome on people 95 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:35.360 of all different backgrounds and faiths and et cetera, just to bring you know 96 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.439 a different aspect. And again, no matter what their background is, I've 97 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:46.160 learned something from everyone. Yep, I agree completely. I was kind of 98 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.600 something that I was going to maybe wait to get into. But I think 99 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:54.160 that that's even kind of the almost Like if I were to pick a thesis 100 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.279 for this conversation, I'm such a I'm an organized thinker, like I want 101 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.600 there to be a beginning, middle, and end. Like one of the 102 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:07.959 things that I have come upon in my studies is just learning the ability to 103 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.560 be wrong. I So, I grew up my dad was raised Catholic, 104 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.079 my mom had been raised Seventh Day Adventists, So technically like on my mom's 105 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.839 side, I would have been like, I'm seventh I'm seventh generation Seventh Day 106 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.959 Adventist, so like a long lineage of Seventh Day Adventists on my mom's side. 107 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:31.959 And my dad was raised Catholic and he my baka is Croatian, so 108 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:37.120 he they were from Croatia, uh, and so like the Croatian lineage is 109 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.080 also very Catholic. So I'm like both sides of my family were strong in 110 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:50.000 their religiosity. If you will and but my dad and my mom had both 111 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.279 I don't want to say backslid, and maybe that's the best word for it. 112 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.519 They had both kind of left a little bit of their faith. Like 113 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:01.000 they had their faith. They would probably say yes I'm Catholic or yes I'm 114 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.559 stuff an SDA, but neither of them were necessarily living out their faith. 115 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:11.320 And then when I was born my dad my dad was thirty seven, my 116 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.480 mom was thirty six, and they kind of had this I don't want to 117 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.440 say battle, but they had a conversation about whether I should be baptized or 118 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.720 not. And my mom was like, well, the SDA church does a 119 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:28.679 baby dedication, and my dad said, well, the Catholic Church does baptism, 120 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:30.799 but I kind of like the way, like I kind of like the 121 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:37.600 idea of dedicating her versus baptizing her because that sounds a little bit less intense. 122 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.399 And so he went to the Catholic church at the time and he said, 123 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.080 would you do a dedication and they were like, no, we don't 124 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.799 do that, and so they decided to go with dedicating me in an SDA 125 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:56.200 church and he asked the pastor, he said, could you make sure that 126 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.399 you your verbiage is that you're dedicating her to the Lord, not necessarily to 127 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.039 this denomination, because I haven't decided that, but I do want to dedicate 128 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.399 her to the Lord. And I actually get like Goosebum's even saying that, 129 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:16.879 because I think that there's so much in the battle between good and evil when 130 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.000 we take a child and we say, like, this child is God and 131 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.159 we are wrapping the angels of goodness around this child, and we're saying, 132 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.080 yeah, there's going to be challenges, there's going to be mistakes, but 133 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:37.279 we want the power and the influence of God Almighty to take rain in this 134 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:45.480 life. And so that was kind of my dad's journey toward finding his own 135 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:52.320 relationship with Christ because he hit this point where he realized, you know, 136 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.399 I'm going to be raising up a child and I have to figure out what 137 00:10:54.440 --> 00:11:01.559 I believe to teach her what she believes. And so I kind of grew 138 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.799 up doing both like I did. I remember going to Catholic mass, I 139 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.960 remember going to Sabbath School, and I had a little bit of both, 140 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.080 which actually, if anybody knows the SDA background, is quite hilarious because they're 141 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:20.080 like they're vastly different. But My point in this was that we have lost 142 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:28.519 the Protestant movement. I think as Christians, as people of God, there 143 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:35.919 is such a cool history of the people of God seeking truth and like literally 144 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.639 digging for truth. I mean, we went through the Dark Ages, right, 145 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.240 and the Dark Ages wiped out so much truth, and it made it 146 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:48.120 impossible for people to understand scripture because they couldn't read the scripture. But then 147 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:54.159 we have these stories of people groups and you know, the Waldenzis and Martin 148 00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:01.600 Luther and John Wycliffe and the history of people seeking and finding little truth and 149 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.600 then holding onto that truth until they get to the next truth, and holding 150 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.039 onto that truth until they get to the next truth. And I think we've 151 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.799 lost a little bit of that, and that I think it would be like 152 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:18.200 the thesis of my whole goal in having this conversation and having every conversation is 153 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.639 saying like, don't stop protesting, don't stop the seeking of truth, don't 154 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:28.039 stop and ever think like I've got it all figured out. There's nothing else 155 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.159 for me to learn. I'm here and everything I believe is perfect. Like 156 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:37.080 that's such a dangerous place to be, yeah, and there's nothing that kind 157 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.879 of very few things bother me. Very few. But when somebody tells you 158 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.840 that your opinion is wrong, that that's something like there's no such thing as 159 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.399 in a wrong opinion. You know, we all have different beliefs, different 160 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.600 opinions, and that that is a dangerous precedent. You're you're one thousand percent 161 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.399 right. Going back to some that's very near and dear to my heart, 162 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.679 it is the Protestant We've really lost it, and they fought so hard, 163 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.039 especially with Martin Luther and the Reformation and the hard work it we took to 164 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.320 get away from the Catholic Church and the Protestants coming over previous guests was talking 165 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.639 about was it Obadiah Holmes who had the conviction? Very few people at it 166 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.960 was willing to take religious persecution and public whippings for his belief whether it be 167 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.600 religious or against taxes. We don't have five percent of those convictions anymore. 168 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:35.039 M Yeah, mercy, yeah, I can. I can definitely hear that. 169 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:41.159 And so for me, I spent a long time because I grew up 170 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.720 in a little bit of like both one foot in both churches, if you 171 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:52.759 will. I very much had this as I thought that I needed to what's 172 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.159 the like, maybe popularity. Is it like I wanted to make God cool. 173 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.879 I kind of grew up with this idea that, well, God needs, 174 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:07.960 God needs like a reputation change. I had this mentality where I went 175 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:11.720 to school at UW. Madison and I love the Lord and I kind of 176 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.799 probably okay, So like right before I went to school at UW. Madison, 177 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.720 it was I was in high school. My dad was really finding his 178 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:24.440 faith and it was my It was my Catholic dad who brought our whole family 179 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.759 back to the seventh d Adventist movement as far as like a biblical movement of 180 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:35.480 belief. And he was baptized when I was sixteen, and I remember, 181 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.519 like I remember some like I don't want to say strange, but strange things 182 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.000 where like my dad and I used to watch The Simpsons together all the time. 183 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.360 He'll he'll laugh at me telling that, but I mean we used to 184 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.440 have all the seasons of the Simpsons, and I remember, I remember he 185 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.720 just like didn't want to watch anymore. And same thing with football, he 186 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.799 just didn't care anymore he wanted And then I would wake up in the middle 187 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.279 of night and like go to the bathroom and I would see him just literally 188 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.240 Bible out papers around him or on his knees praying, and this was typical. 189 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.440 This is what I just watched. And I remember kind of thinking, 190 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:16.440 like, you're going overboard, dad, right, it's it's too much. 191 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:22.639 And and I remember the first time he he missed, uh, he missed 192 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:28.240 a track meat for me because he had been convicted on keeping the Sabbath and 193 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:31.360 I and he never he never forced his convictions on me. I just watched 194 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.519 him make his decisions and he never said, hey, this is what i'm 195 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.960 learning, so this is what you have to do. Like he would study 196 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.759 with me, he would share with me, but I was still like living 197 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.480 my life the way I wanted to. And I remember the first time he 198 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:52.840 missed a track meet and I fall started twice and then I was disqualified or 199 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.879 yeah, disqualified, and I blamed him, and I like, it almost 200 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.879 makes me so sad to say, but I was like if you had been 201 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.960 there and you know all this, and like I just I was a punk 202 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:11.000 about it. And that is how someone in your teen years would react, 203 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:12.519 right, sure, yeah, but I was. I mean, I'm also 204 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.600 like, I'm a daddy's girl. And here's the thing. My dad has 205 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:21.720 been to every basketball game, every track meet, every cross country every voice 206 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.159 recital, I mean, like the ridiculous things, every dance recital. He 207 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:30.000 is probably like my number one fan and for me to just to have that 208 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.759 moment. But looking back, he was in the process of like of choosing 209 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.840 God, of choosing God over his family. And when I look back, 210 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:45.159 I'm just my heart shatters watching it, because like, what a beautiful picture 211 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:53.000 of somebody seeking the Lord. And it really ultimately it led me to understand 212 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:57.159 what God looks like. And so we have this picture of, you know, 213 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:03.360 the Father. And because of the way that I saw my dad serving 214 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.680 and giving and loving and changing his life, I was able to have a 215 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.519 little bit, a little a little picture of what it might look like for 216 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.000 me to have a father in heaven that loves me unconditionally, you know, 217 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.319 but also stands up for principle and stands up for what is right and true 218 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:25.599 and good. So yeah, that's a little bit of I can't remember the 219 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.480 point I was going to make with that, I wandered, but a little 220 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:32.920 bit of my childhood growing up. Oh, that's a great story, and 221 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.799 it speaks volumes volumes of your father. And there's a couple of takeaways from 222 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:41.799 what you talked about. First and foremost is it's funny you mentioned the Simpsons 223 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.200 because on my other podcast we talk about them a lot because in many of 224 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:52.799 their episodes throughout the years, these things have come to come to fruition, 225 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:57.119 whether it was the nine to eleven episode or one of the baseball players hitting 226 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:02.359 a ball and going through the firmament. It's like the Trump Yeah, totally 227 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.599 going down the staircase, right, yep, Yeah, that's what we laugh 228 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:11.000 at it. We're like, the Simpsons were our first, our first lead 229 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.400 into conspiracies, and many of it there were then. And my dad also 230 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:21.000 came into kind of the like evolution creation debate. I think that was probably 231 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.400 the beginning of and that kind of that brings me back to what I was 232 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:30.319 saying, is he got into evolution creation. That was like the first of 233 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:36.079 our you know, being different, right, being different. I remember him 234 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:41.400 coming to teacher conferences and like asking them if they were teaching evolution in the 235 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:42.279 classes, and they were like, well, yeah, of course we're teaching 236 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.960 evolution. This is the public school. And so he would bring his books 237 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:49.559 and his things and and I just remember, I mean I agreed with him 238 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.519 but I was also a little bit quieter about it. I was a little 239 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.319 bit more like I, you know, I would say what I believed, 240 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.640 but I wasn't, you know, necessarily shouting it from the rooftops at that 241 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:07.759 point. And uh. And the evolution debate also led into his second conspiracy 242 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:14.079 that kind of got us into the world of looking into things was September eleventh, 243 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:18.720 because he is he builds, and he's in real estate and he understands 244 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:23.599 how buildings are set up. And we were full patriotic like that. I 245 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:29.240 always think of that song if you will put a boot in here, I 246 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.279 won't say the Toby Purrican way, yeah, the Toby KEI. Anyway, 247 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:34.559 I was thinking of that song. I'm like that was so us, Like 248 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:37.960 we were all American, all in like, yeah, if you're going to 249 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.079 mess with America, then we'll come and fight you. That's right, that's 250 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:48.000 attitude. And he there was a person speaking at UW. Madison, and 251 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.599 he went to hear him speak, and he kind of went with the idea 252 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.480 of proving him wrong, right, like, I know how buildings work and 253 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.000 there's no way that this was a setup. And da da da da da. 254 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.079 He was going to tell him what he thought, and then he saw 255 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:04.960 and he listened to the whole lecture, and he came home and he said, 256 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.599 September eleventh was a setup. And that was the first time that I 257 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.519 remember him getting like, yeah. He would make DVDs and everywhere we went 258 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.759 he would tell people like, here's a DVD about September eleven, you know, 259 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.000 just like it came up every conversation. And that was the beginning of 260 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:33.599 us journeying I think into the government, the setup that goes on around us, 261 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.960 for sure. You know, I have so much respect. I go 262 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:40.599 back and watch some of the older YouTube videos from twenty years ago, and 263 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.720 there was a grassroots I mean going back to the old you know, standing 264 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.839 on the corners with megaphones and passing out DVDs, and the truth community was 265 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.559 big between like the late nineties, specifically after two thousand and one, a 266 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:57.279 lot of people were putting the Loose Change movie on DVDs and just passing them 267 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:02.359 out. And yeah, that's the type of thing I want to get back 268 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.039 to. And I keep saying, you know, business cards, et cetera. 269 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.680 Man, there's never enough time in the day, but that is something 270 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.839 so bad that I want to get back to grassroots and pounding you know, 271 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.920 the pavement and making a difference locally as well. One of the things I 272 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.920 wanted to go back and touch on. And it's kind of a twofold question 273 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:23.079 because you were mentioning going back to like a Protestant revolution, and you know, 274 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:27.000 you go back fifty years to the Jesus Revolution, Lonnie Frisbee and everything 275 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:33.400 that happened on the West coast there. It's interesting how they you know, 276 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.519 air quotes with they were able to manipulate the minds of people and to make 277 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:44.440 you know, if people talk about Jesus and the Church outside of the church 278 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.319 that there, I think the term they like to use is religious fanatics, 279 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.200 right, So I think they do that almost in the same way, not 280 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.400 to the same extent, but you know, you know, if you come 281 00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:59.160 out and say, you know, I believe in flat earth the automatically, 282 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.720 you know, this guy's got mental issues. And I think they try also, 283 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.400 you know, people who speak you know a lot outside the church, 284 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.599 they try to connect that, yeah, that guy is religious fanatic. And 285 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.519 that's kind of like what you were talking about when you first saw him and 286 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:19.359 you missed him at the track meet. That that these are the type of 287 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:23.720 things that I think man and the people who you know, you know, 288 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.759 pull the levers here on earth, that they want people to think, oh 289 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.960 yeah, this guy's crazy religious fanatic. Yep, totally. In fact, 290 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:37.079 my sister in law is in mental health and she was explaining to me that 291 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:42.279 as a like, as a mental health professional, like technically speaking, what 292 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.519 they are trained is if I were to say God told me, which is 293 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:49.000 something I say all the time, God told me this or God revealed this 294 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:52.319 to me, if I were to say that to a mental health professional, 295 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.920 I would be labeled. I would be given the phrase delusion. I would 296 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.480 that would be my like delusional. I think it's delusion. I could be 297 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.599 wrong on that, but essentially, like there is a term for a craziness, 298 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:11.880 a sense of like clinical craziness for people who believe that God can lead 299 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.119 them and speak to them and share it with them. And of course I 300 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:22.279 mean there's you can take that to different levels. But I always think of 301 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:26.359 have you read Frank Peretti's books. I'm trying to think of the one I've 302 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.680 read. I literally have some of my friends reading it for a book club, 303 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:37.759 Piercing the Darkness. Have you read that. I that you have to 304 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.000 read it. It's literally what's happening in our society, even though he wrote 305 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:47.200 it, I think in the eighties, but he shows this battle between good 306 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.559 and evil, and it really is showing that, Yeah, we can think, 307 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.640 we can call people crazy, but what we're really dealing with is possession. 308 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:03.640 You know, like you're either possessed by an evil spirit or you're possessed 309 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.359 by the Holy Spirit, by the spirit of God. And you get you 310 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:07.839 don't you really don't get a choice. You don't get to like say, 311 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.599 I'm just going to choose my spirit because we are fallen beings, you know. 312 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:17.799 So like if you're not choosing to walk in love and light and truth. 313 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.680 And the fruit of the spirit is love, love, joy, faith, 314 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.160 ah love, joy, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, 315 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.160 and self control. I need to sing the song. But that's the 316 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.960 fruit of the spirit. And if you're not walking in the fruit of the 317 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.799 spirit, you're walking in delusion. You're walking in these other spirits. And 318 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:44.039 the other spirits are anxiety and depression and fear, and these are these are 319 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:48.920 actual spirits and they have actual abilities to mess with people and to cause mental 320 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.839 health issues, and I think that, uh, sometimes if we don't step 321 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:59.279 back and realize we don't wrestle against flesh and blood, but against powers and 322 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.359 principality, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts 323 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.599 of wickedness and heavenly places, like this is a real battle and we are 324 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:14.720 absolutely wrestling real spirits. And yeah, i'd like I know that that can 325 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.599 sound fanatical, that can sound crazy. I think I might have made that 326 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.400 word up, but it is. It's the real thing, and so I 327 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.559 agree with you. It's something that the world wants to label and we're going 328 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.039 to deal with that, I believe, until the end of time, because 329 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.000 that is that's what the devil wants people to believe. That it's not real. 330 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:37.799 There's not a real battle happening. Two things I wanted to say. 331 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.240 The book you mentioned, did you say it was Frank Peretti Piercing the Darkness? 332 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.480 Yes, Oh, I have it here. You can get it on 333 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.079 Christian Book for eight dollars on paperback. I will put the link in the 334 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.519 show description. If you guys are it's eight bucks. I mean, you 335 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:56.039 can't go wrong. I mean, if I were to pull out that book 336 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:57.759 right now, and just read the first couple of pages to you, like 337 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.359 every every everybody who has ever battled or knows the battle between good and evil, 338 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.000 like you will get goosebumps immediately. You'll be like, this is accurate, 339 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.039 this is inspired, and and that like kind of brings me to another 340 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:17.519 point. Is a kind of a long in my journey along on the truth 341 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:22.279 seeking journey. I think sometimes talking about labeling people as fanatics, or labeling 342 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.079 people as cults, or labeling people as whatever whatever we want to label people, 343 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.440 I think one of the things that gets thrown around to flippantly is a 344 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:37.359 disdain for profits, right, and obviously, coming from a Seventh Day Adventist 345 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.960 background, I am like, I would not consider myself a seven to Adventist 346 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.799 anymore. And there's a couple of reasons for that. But part of it 347 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:48.920 is that I don't trust organized religion necessarily, but I do align with the 348 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.680 Seventh Day Adventist movement. And I believe that Ellen White was a prophet for 349 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.799 that, for that season, for that for such a time as she wrote, 350 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:02.920 and I think that her words are and were prophetic. But here's the 351 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.480 other thing. There's more prophets there's more people that have been inspired C. 352 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:07.880 S. Lewis for example, Like, if you're going to read C. 353 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.920 S. Lewis, I feel like he was inspired. Sure, maybe not 354 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:17.039 a prophet because he didn't necessarily make predictions. But I think that we're far 355 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:21.480 too quick to say, oh, if somebody has a prophet, they must 356 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:26.039 be in a cult. That's exactly what they said, Like Jeremiah and Isaiah, 357 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.359 nobody liked prophets in the Bible, but God says, I'm going to 358 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:33.839 tell people what's happening. I'm going to have people that have dreams and people 359 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.480 that see visions. That's that is from God. So I don't know, 360 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.240 I just wanted to like make that little soapbox stand where like, just because 361 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:48.480 somebody claims they believe in a prophet, I think that it's something that we 362 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.359 should test, right, test the profits, but don't just throw them out 363 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.799 because oh that sounds cult ish, you know. Yeah, how did it 364 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:02.920 work out for the people who laughed at Noah? Right? Right? Yeah? 365 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.319 Yeah, Dad will send people and they're going to make warnings and test 366 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.319 it against scripture, tested against the Holy Spirit, and like that voice is 367 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:17.359 solid and thorough and the Bible says, ask and you will find Seek, 368 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.440 Ask and you shall receive, Seek and you will find Knock and the door 369 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.960 will be open unto you. Like he makes that promise. And yeah, 370 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.440 I think I belabored that. No, that's perfect, and it's it's incredible 371 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.079 how the Lord works, because just this afternoon I did an interview and she 372 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.400 brought up C. S. Lewis and the screw tape the screwtape letters. 373 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:42.200 Yeah, yes, that's exactly what I mean, Like that is whoever that 374 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.519 like screwtape letters. I'm actually going to remind you a lot of Frank Pretty's 375 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.839 Piercing the Darkness and this Present Darkness. I think his, I think his. 376 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:52.079 I think Piercing the Darkness is the second one. I think this present 377 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.720 Darkness is the first one. I could be off on that, But same 378 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:02.680 thing, like anybody who has insight into that battle between the spirits, that 379 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.799 is Holy Spirit given, because I mean, how else do you know, 380 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:11.720 how else do you see it unless unless God's giving you that that vision. 381 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.200 And yeah, authors the screwtape letters, for sure, that's an inspired book, 382 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.440 for sure. Absolutely, I wanted to go back on one more thing 383 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.599 before we go forward, and that you were talking about demons, and that 384 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:29.279 is something that's been a topic of conversation. And you know, when you 385 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.799 think about it, some of the most simple and innocent things that may seem 386 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.480 that way to people can open the door for demons to come into your life. 387 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:44.920 M hm yes, Merci, Yeah, that makes I mean, I'll 388 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.359 give you, can I give you a very specific example, please. Yeah. 389 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.720 So I remember, and I like, I know, there the people 390 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.559 that understand this and then people that you know, balk whatever. I remember 391 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.839 one night listening to a podcast and it was like it was like a podcast 392 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.799 on fluor eyed and somebody had recommended this person to me. And I won't 393 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.759 give the whole name, but I'll tell you that medium was part of the 394 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.880 podcast description that like, this person claimed to be a medium. And I 395 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.079 didn't like think of it. I didn't think on it too hard. I 396 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.440 just kind of remember thinking, like, oh, but he's talking about a 397 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.240 really good topic. It's about fluoride. Da da da da, It's about 398 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.920 health. And I listened to it while my kids were in the bathtub, 399 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:34.440 and that night my daughter was just like beside herself, just crying, hysterical, 400 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.960 just ridiculous, and I couldn't get her to call. I wouldn't. 401 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.480 I even tried to like hug her, and she didn't want me near her. 402 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.960 It was very odd. It was super weird. And I remember her 403 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.960 sitting on the stool. She was probably four, she was young, right, 404 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.240 and maybe three or four. She was little. And I sat on 405 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.240 the couch on the opposite side, and I prayed out loud, and I 406 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.160 just did one of these prayers and I was like, God, this is 407 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:04.160 not my daughter, This is not her spirit, this is not your spirit. 408 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.559 And this is a spirit that is not welcome in our home because our 409 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:15.720 home is protected by Jesus, and Jesus lives here and this spirit is not 410 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:22.599 welcome here. And this was this was the prayer I had, And I 411 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.200 kid you not. I prayed, and I watched her eyes change wow, 412 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:33.160 and I watched her like start to smile at me. And then she got 413 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.720 up and she came over and she sat in my lap. And it was 414 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.400 just this small moment where I said, God, like, where did where 415 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.759 did it come from? Like she's four? How on earth did she get 416 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.920 that? I care about what they watch, I care about everything. I 417 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.599 care about where they go, I care about who they hang out with. 418 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.599 Like all of these things. I'm like, I'm a protective parent. I 419 00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.000 know there's a battle between good and evil. How did this come in? 420 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:06.319 And the first thought that came to mind was that podcast, And I remember 421 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.880 going and just deleting like unfollowing because I because a lot of this person's podcasts 422 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.079 were really interesting like that. It was a lot of alternative health and I 423 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:22.440 was really into it. But upon reading more of his about page, he 424 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.079 claims to be a medium, and he claims to be able to speak to 425 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.079 the inner wards and you know, whatever it is. And I think that 426 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:37.880 the devil loves to counterfeit things, right, because the natural healing is God's, 427 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.960 you know, essential oils and herbs and you know, massage and the 428 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:45.480 laying on of hands, all of that that's his, Like energy you work 429 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.400 is God's, but the devil has taken it and transformed it into his own 430 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:58.000 process. And like that. It's why I'm actually very specific about even I 431 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.240 mean, some people can say, oh, I went and got a massage, 432 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.519 but I need to know who's giving me the massage, because I need 433 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.680 to know who their energy comes from, because it doesn't come from Christ. 434 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:13.400 Guess what they're transferring they're transferring wherever their energy does come from, and if 435 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.880 they don't know where it comes from, that's super dangerous as well. So 436 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:24.200 for me, the knowing the foundation of belief that somebody is presenting with is 437 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:30.000 everything. And I've talked about how your energy on the podcast is Christ's energy. 438 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.119 It is an energy of piece of allowing people to talk, allowing people 439 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.680 to share their stories, and therefore I know where your hurt comes from. 440 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:45.240 Even if you have people on that disagree or offer some other idea. We 441 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:51.680 can come into contact with other ideas, but we must have the shield of 442 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.680 faith, like we have to have that shield with which to quench all the 443 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:58.200 fiery darts of the wicked one. If you don't have the shield, if 444 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:04.920 you're not prepared and don't have the eyesight for discernment, the things that the 445 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:10.320 spirits that can come in are plentiful. And yeah, I just I challenge 446 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.760 parents, especially, pay attention to the media, pay attention to the songs, 447 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.440 pay attention to everything. And I'm not like, I am not a 448 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.679 total talent. I can't say the word, I don't cut out like every 449 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.559 I've mean, my kids have watched Disney, my kids have you know, 450 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.599 whatever, Like my kids have watched you know, cartoons. But here's the 451 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.920 thing. I am very much a person that wants to have the conversation like, 452 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.239 hey, what did we think about that? Was that story telling us 453 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:44.639 about Christ? Who was the good guy in that story? Were they sharing 454 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.639 principles of truth? Like I think we should have those conversations because if we 455 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.480 don't have the conversations, our kids don't know about the battle. And I 456 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.480 think it is cs Lewis sorry to keep bringing him up, but cs Lewis 457 00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.800 said, like, if our kids don't realize that they're are you know, 458 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.159 big events going on around them, If we don't have stories that like excite 459 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.079 them and tell them that there's there's something bigger than themselves, then when they 460 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:13.760 do find those stories and they're outside of the realm of the church, they're 461 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.519 going to be attracted to them, and they won't know how to fight. 462 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:23.079 They won't know how to battle and be discerning. So yeah another, yeah, 463 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.519 really well done. And something that you said that really resonates with me 464 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.800 is again, Satan creates nothing, he perverts it. And that goes to 465 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.360 the same as the top class, the controllers, that they don't create anything, 466 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.639 they're parasites. I call them the parasite class. Yep, they just 467 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:49.519 yeah, he just takes and transforms and twists and yeah, like and you 468 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.360 know that was I mean, that was what got even the garden. It 469 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:58.519 wasn't a you know, it wasn't a big sin. It was a questioning 470 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.159 God. It was a do you think that there's something he's keeping from you? 471 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.920 Do you think that there could be more like in it? And that 472 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.920 is the battle we all face, like is there is there something else beside 473 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.000 what God has to offer? Like? Do I need something bigger or better 474 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:21.480 or in a different way? And sorry, another story. My son the 475 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.280 other day we talk I mean I live, I live and breathe the battle 476 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:30.159 between good and evil. Like it's something that we talk about really openly in 477 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:36.920 our family. And my son the other day he he said to me, 478 00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:45.960 Mom, sometimes when the devil is battling for my heart, I think he 479 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.679 looks really cool. That's what he said. I mean, he's my son 480 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.039 is four now. He said, the devil looks really cool. And I 481 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.519 said, you know what, Yep, the devil often looks. And you 482 00:36:55.559 --> 00:37:00.079 know what, He's gonna make it look easier and more fun. And you 483 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.360 know all the things. He's going to make it look a certain way. 484 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.320 It's going to be attractive and dazzling. And he watches us. He walks 485 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.119 about like a roaring lion seeking whom he made devour. So he is watching 486 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.280 our every move. He studies us. He learns exactly what we're into, 487 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:22.159 exactly what we're attempted by, and he attacks in our weak spots. And 488 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.239 I told him, I said, there will be days where God wins. 489 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.920 God is victorious in your life, and you're going to throw up your arms 490 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:34.000 and you're going to be excited because God has the victory. But you can't 491 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.079 stop because if you have breath and you're living on this side of heaven, 492 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.920 the devil is going to attack again. He's never done. He's never done, 493 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.000 And so as long as you have breath, you have to keep fighting. 494 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.880 And that at least at the very least, Like you know, my 495 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:57.280 son, he gets like the excitement to fight because he's a boy and he 496 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.639 wants to wrestle and fight and learn all the things. But that's the reminder 497 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.079 that I think our children need, is that the battle's never done, not 498 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.760 here, not on this side of heaven. So yeah, I get excited 499 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.599 about it. Yeah. And a great analogy to that that I often use 500 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.920 is if you walk into the kitchen and there's on one side it is a 501 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.440 big, large pepperoni pizza hot, you know, piping hot, and then 502 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.400 on the other side is a plate of broccoli. Which way are you going 503 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.000 to head? And that's the description. This one is better for you, 504 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.760 the broccoli, which one looks and smells and tastes better the pizza. Right. 505 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.599 Yeah, And you know here's the thing. God, God's way is 506 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:50.360 always better in the end, And so the repentance model is one of him 507 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.159 teaching us how to love what he loves. I believe that. I believe 508 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.480 that as we put one foot in front of the other. Yes, the 509 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.039 battle rages on, but it does get easier, and all of a sudden 510 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:07.199 you realize, like, oh, God has helped me in these really small 511 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.119 areas. I bet he can do it in this larger area or whatever. 512 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.960 It is. Like, it's such an ongoing it is an ongoing battle, 513 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.280 and I fully believe that he. It says the thief, it says John 514 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.519 ten ten. The thief comes to destroy and to kill. But I have 515 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.000 come that they may have life, and they may have it more abundant. 516 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:30.000 I the permaculture princess is all about a more abundant life. So I don't 517 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.800 believe that, Like, yes, the broccoli is always better, but guess 518 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.519 what like putting herbs and some oil and butter on the brock he is really 519 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:44.079 God designed that too, and he said, hey, look at you can 520 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.960 grow the broccoli, and you can grow some things around the broccoli. And 521 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.599 that's really exciting. It's just like there's so much more to what God has 522 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:57.960 to offer. And I do believe that if we leaned into the way He 523 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.239 created us and the way He designed us, we only discover abundance, whether 524 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.760 emotionally, like physically, financially maybe not on this side, like like there's 525 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:15.719 there's peace, there's there is there's a peace with the way God designed our 526 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:21.960 lives for sure. So well done, getting back getting back to your journey. 527 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.719 When when your dad found out whatever year that was, you know, 528 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.920 nine to eleven, when he went, you know, I want to go 529 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.320 A lot of us go into that, like especially into flat Earth. I 530 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:31.519 want to go in here and disprove it, destroy it and get on with 531 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.440 my life. Well, when he found out about that, is that something 532 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.000 that was he always sharing his the things he would find? Would he share 533 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.000 that with you? Or is that? Uh? Is that basically how you 534 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.639 came to the truth community? Like when he found these things out, did 535 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.639 he uh, you know, pretty much turn around and share them with you? 536 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.119 Yes? Yeah. I I'm a daddy's girl. So my dad and 537 00:40:54.119 --> 00:41:00.599 I have always been super close and I am and I'm technically his only child. 538 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.679 So my dad married my mom and I have a half brother from a 539 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.480 mom's previous marriage, and he is ten years older than me, and we 540 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:13.039 actually have a really cool family where I grew up. I actually grew up 541 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:20.159 not really see, not really understanding that divorce usually led to angst and an 542 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.239 animosity because my dad and my brother's dad got along so well. In fact, 543 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:30.079 I am even really close with my so my mom's ex husband, Like 544 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.280 he pours into my life. He's somebody that I trust and talk to. 545 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:40.280 And it's just it was really neat the way my dad and my mom's ex 546 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:47.360 decided to like share in bringing up my brother and make that an as easy 547 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.559 as it can be, right, Like there's always send messes up things all 548 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.920 the time, but they they did such a good job doing that, So 549 00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:00.280 I've always been I'm but I'm my dad's only is what I'm trying to like, 550 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.480 I'm his, I'm his. Like are we think so similarly? It's 551 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.400 it's scary, like there are things where we'll be in opposite states, in 552 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:15.199 opposite places and we will have the same thing come up. Or we were 553 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:20.440 there was a kind of a funny joke that our family laughs at sometimes where 554 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.159 we I can't remember exactly how it came up, but we found out that 555 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:29.000 there was a group of people that we knew that we're having a gathering and 556 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.360 we hadn't been invited, and without I kind of said I said something along 557 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.800 the lines of like maybe they're planning a surprise party for us, and my 558 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:43.000 dad said, I thought the exact same thing. And we just have this 559 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.679 like ridiculously positive outlook on life, and we're we're just we think similarly, 560 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.000 and so yeah, when my dad learns something, he will bring it up 561 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.960 to me. And the flat Earth was no, it was just a solid 562 00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.559 no. He I had just gotten married and I was like, you are 563 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.199 diving off the deep end. It was a hard note. And I watched 564 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.039 the things and my husband and I were like, absolutely not and I even 565 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.800 like apologized to my husband at the time. I was like, I am 566 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.519 so sorry. I don't know what you got into. Like, my dad's 567 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:22.760 never been this crazy. This is he's going a new direction. And we 568 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.599 ended up watching something and then so like I kind of started to see what 569 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.719 he was saying. Okay, I started to understand, and most of it 570 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.199 was like I really just didn't I didn't care. Like at the time, 571 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:40.559 it was just it seemed so useless. It seemed useless to talk about it. 572 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.800 It almost seemed detrimental. And that is because I was also we were 573 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.000 also at the time going through understanding the Trinity differently, which I mean I 574 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.880 kind of, if you don't mind me kind of scooping that into the conversation, 575 00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.719 I do because the Trinity has been a discussion on here. Trinity was 576 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.440 what we were studying before we came to the flat Earth. And I think 577 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.159 that God does things systematically in our lives, like he'll bring us to one 578 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.519 thing and then he'll ask us to study another thing, and he does it 579 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.719 at the perfect time for us, right, And because we were dealing with 580 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.880 the Trinity, it was the first time that we were starting to realize that 581 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:28.079 there wasn't a perfect church, and I think that's important for everybody. Every 582 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.079 truth seeker has to come to this realization that there's like nobody that has it 583 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:35.239 all figured out, because I mean, we all want to find that. 584 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.159 We'd all love to find like the place that has everything all figured out. 585 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:43.039 But that was I mean, that's ultimately what happened with the Protestants is every 586 00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.440 time somebody learned something new, they would create a new church, and then 587 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.159 there would be people that believed the old thing but not the new thing, 588 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.119 and then new people would find a new thing. And so there were so 589 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:59.480 many early Reformers and they became the Protestant movement. But then like we stopped 590 00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.920 protest and that's why we have I mean tens of thousands of denominations, different 591 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:08.519 denominations because people kept breaking off and creating new churches, and the truth seekers 592 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.960 just kind of had to keep going along with whatever new church was being created. 593 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:19.400 And I think that, I mean, that was the point. Because 594 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.559 God can't just flip on the light switch right because it would have been too 595 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.599 bright for everybody there would have been like this is overwhelming. But instead he 596 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:34.119 turned up the light really carefully and systematically and I do believe that it's still 597 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.920 happening. We're still brushing away man's interpretation of things and things that the devil 598 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:44.280 counterfeited and hid, were slowly uncovering them, and it's going to be a 599 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.320 process. We're not done. But every time somebody finds something and they get 600 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.880 excited, then they think they're done and they just hold that box and they 601 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.519 don't want to like look anything else up. And that was what the Trinity 602 00:45:53.639 --> 00:46:00.239 was for us. The Trinity was this moment of realizing, oh, this 603 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.239 is another thing from the Dark Ages, this is another thing from the Catholic 604 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:10.039 Church that the Catholic Church created, and if we are truly protesting the foundations 605 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.400 of what the Catholic Church has done to Scripture, this is another thing. 606 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.519 And I think it's important to mention as somebody that doesn't believe in the Trinity, 607 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.320 that doesn't mean I don't believe in the Holy Spirit, because a lot 608 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.280 of people want to say that, like, oh, you don't believe in 609 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.760 the third person, so you must not believe in the Holy Spirit, And 610 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.599 that's not the case. We absolutely believe in the Holy Spirit. We believe 611 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:36.440 that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God, the spirit of Christ, 612 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.159 which is the spirit that they offer us as an advocate, as a comforter 613 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:45.679 to live in us. Now, I think that it's important to mention that, 614 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:51.599 like as we look at Scripture, we see we see the Father and 615 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.400 the Son so clearly. I mean, it's it's everywhere. Like when Paul 616 00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:00.400 is addressing people, he always like, you know, peace and grace from 617 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.159 our Father, like from our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. It's just 618 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.280 everywhere. John seventeen three says, this is eternal life, that they may 619 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.840 know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have 620 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.159 sent. So like nobody, well, I shouldn't say nobody argues there's not 621 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.800 a father's son, because there are a group of people that believe it's like 622 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.760 all one. Well, and it is. Oh, it can get so 623 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.079 into the weeds, right, But like we're told, there's a few things 624 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:32.039 where we see a plurality. And the plurality is specifically in you know Genesis 625 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.960 where he says, let us make man in our image, and when he 626 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:42.559 says our we have two like it's it's a plural. It's a plural place. 627 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.679 But it's so cool because what does he do He makes Adam and Eve. 628 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.559 He makes two beings, even though in he said let's make man in 629 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.280 our image, and he made two beings. So that's just one. I 630 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:59.320 mean, that's just a simple example of like the two. But here's the 631 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.199 other thing that people say. People will say, oh, then you don't 632 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.840 believe that Jesus is divine. And here's what I am frustrated with that, 633 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:13.519 because we can believe that Jesus is both eternal and divine and begotten. People 634 00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.960 make the argument that if you say he's begotten, you must be saying that 635 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:22.480 he's created, and that's not what the Bible says. And the Bible says 636 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.719 he's begotten, and that is the word I have to use. Now. 637 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.559 People will say, then, explain to me what begutten means. Well, 638 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.599 the Bible doesn't tell me that. That just says that he was begunnen. 639 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:35.239 It gives us the picture of Adam and Eve. It gives us the picture 640 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.159 of Eve coming out of Adam. Not I mean, Adam didn't give birth 641 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:44.239 to Eve, but Eve came out of Adam. So similarly, I think 642 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:49.559 we have this picture of God the Father giving life to go and like I'm 643 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:51.800 even saying that that's not what the Bible says. It just says we have 644 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.199 this picture of God the Father, having a begotten son, and then when 645 00:48:54.199 --> 00:49:00.599 we have to quite we have to try to extrapolate what a begotten. We 646 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:07.119 have this picture of Adam and Eve, and I don't believe he was created, 647 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.360 but he was out of He's the word of God. He is, 648 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.159 he is the Dna of God himself. So he's divine. He's eternal. 649 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.079 And do I know when that came about. No, I don't. I 650 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:24.440 don't know. Because he was, he is eternal, he is forever, 651 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.480 and so that the Bible doesn't give you that. The Bible tells me that 652 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.320 he was begunnen, and it also tells me that he's eternal. So I 653 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:36.880 can I feel totally comfortable believing both of those things. It's not one or 654 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.000 the other. It's not that, oh, because I believe he's begunne, 655 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.320 therefore he must be created. I just it's it's not something I see. 656 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.599 So those are two big things. I want to point out that like as 657 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:53.039 anti Trinitarians, we do believe in the Holy Spirit, and we do believe 658 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:58.920 that Jesus is divine. But here's the thing. He also says that God 659 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.159 is before like he says that God is higher than me, that the Father 660 00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:06.679 is I don't want to say bigger, but I'm trying to use what the 661 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:12.039 Bible he says. And Jesus does say I'm the only one that has seen 662 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.719 my Father. But he also says, if you've seen me, you've seen 663 00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:19.960 the Father. So there's a oneness, but there's also a a separation, 664 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.280 right, there's a separation of power. And I only have the Bible to 665 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:30.159 describe that. So sometimes we want to describe it with human words, and 666 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:37.039 how do you describe divinity with human words? It's very difficult. But yeah, 667 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.719 I think that you had Yeah, you said, is it odal Od? 668 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:45.519 You had a pastor on and I did like the way that he described 669 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.719 it, as he was the first one that said, hey, it's it's 670 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.760 the Trinity. Is not the way the Catholic Church teaches it, So like, 671 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.679 praise God for that. But at the same time, here's what I 672 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.480 like, here's what I think would be a really cool study. If anybody 673 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.239 wanted to take me up on this, just go through the Bible. This 674 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.400 is what I did. This is exactly what I did when I made this 675 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.880 decision. Or when I had this conviction, I went through the Bible and 676 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.960 I looked up every single place where it talks about the Spirit of God. 677 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.440 Just go through and like find figure out every single place and then look at 678 00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:21.880 where it talks about the Spirit of God and then see see what it tells 679 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.519 you just there, Like what if you didn't know the word trinity because Trinity 680 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.679 is not in the Bible. And what if you didn't know the word God 681 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:34.400 the Spirit because God the Spirit is not in the Bible. Don't we don't 682 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.840 have any of the verbiage that people use today to describe the Godhead in the 683 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.599 Bible. So I just I just think it would be so cool if somebody 684 00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.800 went through scripture and found all the places where it talks about the Spirit of 685 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.320 God and then made your own decision on those places, because there's actually very 686 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.280 few places. And I would do it if you, like, if you 687 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:57.400 want me to get into it. I think there's really only like four places 688 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.320 to me that make it a little bit funny. You're like, h it 689 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.599 kind of stills like there's three year that's it. Four places, and all 690 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:10.880 of those I believe can be easily easily described away by looking into the original 691 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.280 context and looking into the concordance to find the original words for those places. 692 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:22.119 But yeah, I the question you originally asked me, and I went on 693 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.199 a trinity tagent, what is that about? Its flat Earth? Yeah, 694 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:32.960 I come so so, Yeah, the Trinity was what initially brought us into 695 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.360 like questioning the narrative. I like kind of saying, okay, we have 696 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.519 been and we definitely had this thought like when the Bible says come out of 697 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.519 for my people, we had this thought like, oh, everybody has to 698 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:50.519 come out of the church therein but not us because you know we're in the 699 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:54.280 right church of course. And finally we like, once you realize, oh, 700 00:52:54.360 --> 00:53:00.599 it's everybody, every single person needs to come out of something. And 701 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:05.519 that was kind of the beginning of the flat Earth journey for my dad was 702 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.800 and for me, I was like, hey, if you keep talking about 703 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.480 the flat Earth, people aren't going to take what we're saying about the Trinity 704 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.760 seriously. And that was my concern because I thought that was a really important 705 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:22.840 message, so important in fact, that we went through a disfellowship in our 706 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:25.079 church. My dad was disfellowshiped. I was not, even though we believed 707 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.639 exactly the same thing. So tell me if that's not a popular context. 708 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.760 It was. It was a witch hunt. It was terrible, and my 709 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.360 dad and the vote was like fifty four to fifty two, Oh my goodness, 710 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.239 And yeah it was. It was. It was so sad. I 711 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.199 won't do the whole thing, but I will say that I also I also 712 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.159 was just asked to stop attending a mom's Bible study group at a non denominational 713 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.320 church after three years of being part of this Bible study because of my beliefs 714 00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:58.559 on the Trinity and Hell. And even though like I don't bring it up 715 00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:00.280 super often, but if it comes up conversation, I will, or if 716 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.559 it comes up in the Bible study, I will. And the words said 717 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.400 to me were, uh, this isn't mom's group. Isn't the place to 718 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:13.039 have these theological conversations. And I was like, when where is the place? 719 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.119 Right? If not there, where where were? But But yeah, 720 00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:22.039 so flatter to me was one of those things that I did not want to 721 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:29.360 I did not want it to deter from the Gospel. And it took me 722 00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.800 a long time to realize that it doesn't deter from the Gospel, and it 723 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:38.360 only enhances the gospel and Dan. I want to say, my dad started 724 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:44.199 telling me about it in twenty fifteen, and I hushed him and hushed him, 725 00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:47.599 and like, probably until a year ago, I was like, all 726 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:52.679 right, let's let's come out of the closet. You know, for me, 727 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.039 he was already out. But yeah, well a year ago. Is 728 00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:00.599 is that when you finally let your guard down to look into it, or 729 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.280 is that when you finally like understood that it was probably, you know, 730 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.280 not a ball. So I think that's when I let my guard down to 731 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:14.199 say that I believed it. I think that I man probably around I'd probably 732 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.559 say around twenty twenty, I was like, yeah, this because I've won. 733 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.119 My eyes were open to so many things in twenty twenty, and like 734 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:28.960 we had already kind of been on the journey of of unraveling. But twenty 735 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:34.039 twenty I realized, yes, this is something that they're trying to keep from 736 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.199 us. But I still wasn't ready to necessarily say it. And I will 737 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.159 say, I don't know if there's like a if there was like a moment 738 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:45.800 of realization. It was kind of more of a an overtime thing. I 739 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.920 know that one of the things early on that really resonated with me. Was 740 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.559 the Amanda, not Amanda Andrea. You think i'd remember this name because she 741 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.639 has the same name as me. That Andrea Barnes story. Are you familiar 742 00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:00.159 with that? I've you know that rings a bell? Okay, so I'm 743 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.400 gonna tell it. I'll tell you the fast version because it's honestly, it's 744 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.599 a story of such intrigue and drama and I think it's amazing. But Amanda 745 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.960 barr why can I do this? You know why? Because there's an Amanda 746 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.519 Barnes that's a CrossFit athlete and I love crossfits. That's which I keeps doing 747 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:20.880 this. Okay. Andrea Barnes is her name, and she was from I 748 00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.840 want to say the sixties. I'm gonna you're gonna have to look that up 749 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:27.239 and put that in the show notes. Okay, No, you're good at 750 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:32.760 that. But so I'm Andrea Barnes was a woman who just did not believe 751 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.719 that the Earth was a ball. Like she just didn't believe it, and 752 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:43.679 she put like it was her life's mission to prove it wrong. It was 753 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.320 so cool. She did so many cool studies. She did lots of cool 754 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:52.119 tests. One of the tests she did she she took like a ball like 755 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.039 I can't think of the word for it, but essentially something that could float 756 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:59.320 up in the air. And she said, I'm gonna float this up in 757 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.280 the air and we're we're going to hold it totally still, and if the 758 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:07.159 Earth is spinning, it should move underneath us. And the ball or and 759 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.239 this floating device, will you know, be in New York by the time. 760 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:14.559 Why you know, because I'm holding it completely still and if the Earth 761 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.360 is moving anyway. That was one of the experiments she tried to prove. 762 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.960 But the other thing she kept doing was trying to get to Antarctica because she 763 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:27.000 kept trying to find the wall. And she said, one of these days, 764 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.639 I'm going to get to the wall in Antarctica. And she made like 765 00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:37.760 three expeditions, and on the final expedition, she took a snowmobile out by 766 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:43.079 herself. Okay, like, this woman is insane, she's so cool. 767 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.039 She took a snowmobile out by herself, and they didn't find it till years 768 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:52.440 later. She never came back, and they found a snowmobile and here's what 769 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.320 here. Get this. They found the snowmobile, and they found a camera, 770 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.559 and they found a piece of paper, and on the piece of paper 771 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:05.159 she wrote the debate or I've been there, the debate is settled, Andrea, 772 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.519 or something like that. I mean, there's just enough space to write 773 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:12.039 that. And and then she had a camera with it, but the person 774 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:16.400 who found the snowmobile inadvertently opened the film and it was just I know, 775 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:21.320 I know, that's like, I mean, the intrigue is amazing. And 776 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.280 so she apparently, according to her, she hit the wall, like right, 777 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.119 that's what she said, I've been there, the debate is settled, 778 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:34.920 like she And so there's just man, I just would love to have seen 779 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.239 what was on that camera. I would love to have seen what other studies 780 00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:43.239 she had that never got out. I would love to talk to her. 781 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:47.440 And like she had so many cool stories and expeditions, like she had one 782 00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.400 expedition where almost everybod they almost didn't make it out because the storm a storm 783 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:58.400 hit and she had to come back. And just a really cool woman that 784 00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:02.119 was convinced that she could get to the edge of the firmament. And I 785 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:06.920 believe she did. And we'll just have to have the conversation with her on 786 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.519 the other side, I guess. But her story always stood out to me, 787 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.320 just maybe because I love stories and I love I'm like, I'm kind 788 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.960 of I'm like an I was an early feminist, like before feminism went wonky. 789 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.920 I am all about the girl power, all about women being strong and 790 00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:29.360 who they are and who they're meant to be. And so I love stories 791 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.559 of women who do amazing things, and she's one of them. And so 792 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:35.960 I think maybe that was like one of the first things where I was like, 793 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.360 oh, that's cool and it stood out to me. But yeah, 794 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:44.320 there wasn't a moment where I was like, oh, this makes perfect sense. 795 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.559 I will say that I fly a lot, uh, and I flew. 796 00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.880 I used to fly a lot more because my mom was a flight attendant 797 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.920 when I was growing up, so because I was in the air so often. 798 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.400 I yeah, I totally remember looking out and thinking it's so weird that 799 00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.840 this is a curve. I don't like it doesn't I don't see it. 800 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.920 I can see for miles and miles and miles. It's just so I remember 801 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:08.280 thinking it's so weird that we can see so far. And yeah, I 802 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:15.840 mean when it comes to flat Earth, it very much was something where I 803 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:19.320 think once I heard the word biblical cosmology, maybe that was it. Maybe 804 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.679 that's what made me say like, oh, now I can call myself right, 805 01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.239 like this is a word I can identify. Yeah, yeah, honestly, 806 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.960 like even your podcasts, your podcast was really influential in me saying like 807 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:43.000 it's time. It's time to say something, because if we don't, if 808 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:46.400 we don't say something now, who else is going to go on being duped? 809 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:51.119 And who else is going to miss out on knowing that there is a 810 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:57.719 father that is a really good creator, like a father that is a perfect 811 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:04.360 creator, and he made this little dome that is exactly what we need for 812 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:08.800 life. And I mean, that's amazing. It's a beautiful story of creation 813 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.639 that the world has tried to flip on its head. Amen to that. 814 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.519 And I did manage to find I guess. In nineteen ninety they put out 815 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.559 about a thirty minute documentary called in Search of the Edge, and it was 816 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:30.360 an independent documentary providing scientific proof that the Earth is flat, including the Bedford 817 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:37.079 level experiment, plus evidence including the story of the fatal polar expedition by Andrea 818 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.880 Barnes. And I actually did find that the little thirty minute clip on YouTube, 819 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.440 so I'll put that in the show. Description Andrea Barnes in Search of 820 01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:51.760 the Edge. Yeah, yeah, she was awesome. She was a beginner 821 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:57.039 in an explorer in this field for sure, because I mean that's the other 822 01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:00.559 thing, especially in the beginning when we were first having a conversation, I 823 01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.760 was like, well, somebody just go to the end and tell us, 824 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.760 like, why can't we do that? And then to find out how many 825 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.639 people have tried and been turned around or been lost. We don't even know, 826 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.760 like you know, how many people have tried to get over there covertly 827 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:21.159 and never made it back right, So they do a great job. They 828 01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.760 do a really great job of hiding the ends of the year. Yes, 829 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:30.440 and there is a lot of really really rough waters and passages in Antarctica, 830 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:35.400 like really dangerous that the Drake Passage is one of them that's claimed a lot 831 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.800 of light lives, excuse me, and you can only get through, you 832 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:45.280 know on certain times regarding the flat Earth, have you had any luck or 833 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:51.559 do you find it's the same old people really have to be willing to listen 834 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:55.119 or have you found any hacks, you know, life hacks and to kind 835 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:59.599 of get people at least interested or to be willing to look into flat Earth. 836 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:07.320 Uh, It's that's an interesting question. I can say that I feel 837 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.920 like it's my mission, necessarily by any means, to bring that up. 838 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:16.199 But I can't tell you how many people, especially like after my podcast, 839 01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:20.400 after I released that podcast with you, I can't tell you how many of 840 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.800 my friends like ah breathes it asigh relief relief with me and said, you 841 01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.960 know what, I have wanted to ask this, I've wanted to bring this 842 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.280 up, but like I've been so scared or I've just been so tentative. 843 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:36.519 Uh, and I just I found that it Like I think I can't remember 844 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.440 the guy that said, uh, the flat Earth is like Spice Girls, 845 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.800 because right, but nobody listens to him. But they sold one hundred million 846 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.920 albums or whatever. Yeah. Well, and it's and he's like, you 847 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:50.800 know, nobody will admit it, Like everybody believes it, but nobody will 848 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:52.239 admit it, just like everybody was a fan of the Spice Girls, but 849 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.880 nobody would admit it. But I happened to be one of those people that 850 01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:00.639 loved the Spice Girls and would admit it. So but that I think that's 851 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:08.239 the conversation is there's so many people that have thought it or are considering it, 852 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:14.480 and they're not willing to necessarily step out and say so. But yeah, 853 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.800 don't. I don't know that it's something that needs to be forefront I 854 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:24.119 really don't. One of the areas that my dad and I actually disagree on 855 01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:28.960 quite a bit is my dad. And you know how God gives people these 856 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:33.280 different gifts. Sure like one of the gifts that God has given my dad 857 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:38.960 is a sense of boldness and bravery, and the vast majority of the time 858 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.440 it works out for him. Like I can't tell. So one time I 859 01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.079 was at a gas station and like the woman that worked at the gas station 860 01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.880 came up to me and said, hey, I've seen you. I forgot 861 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:51.880 to mention I was on a Bible studied documentary series called Thunder in the Holy 862 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:59.360 Land. We filmed it in Israel and it was amazing and we I can 863 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.719 include that in some of the notes. But my dad, like I said, 864 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.960 was really big about handing out DVDs. So of course when I did 865 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:11.280 a Bible study documentary series, he handed out DVDs of that everywhere he went. 866 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.800 And this woman at the gas station goes, Hi, can you know 867 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.360 I know you? Because your dad came in here and gave me a DVD 868 01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:23.639 and I've watched the Bible studies that you're on. And I had to giggle 869 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.840 because I remember telling my dad. I said, Dad, you cannot just 870 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:30.760 go up to people and hand them DVDs, like it's not appropriate. And 871 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.000 you know what he would do. He would say, she would walk up 872 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:36.440 to random people and say do you read the Bible? And depending well, 873 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:40.239 it didn't matter what their answer was. He would say, hey, this 874 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.119 is a Bible study and I think you might like it. I mean, 875 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.199 he would just say that to complete strangers. And I told him, you 876 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:49.519 can't do that because that's not building a relationship. That's not you know, 877 01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:54.679 you're not cultivating what Christ told us to do. That's what I would argue 878 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.760 all the time, Like you have to build a friendship, you have to 879 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:02.119 build trust, you have to all this. But God somehow uses my dad 880 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:06.559 in these super awkward ways with super random people. And that's my dad's gift. 881 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:12.000 It's just to like break the ice, walk up, say the thing, 882 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:16.480 and leave. And that's me on the other hand, Like I want 883 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:21.159 to get to know a person. I want to find where we have similarities 884 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:26.039 or differences, Like I want to have a conversation before I bring up, 885 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:30.119 you know, some of these bigger topics. So when you say, is 886 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:35.360 there a way? Is there a hack? My hack is to listen to 887 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:43.199 the still small voice, that still small voice that says now or go or 888 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:45.480 this is the person I want you to bring something up with them. And 889 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:49.239 when you are in the Word of God, when you are spending time in 890 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:55.840 prayer and you are following the scriptures, that still small voice is easier to 891 01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.360 hear, and he will make it known to you who you should it up 892 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:02.880 to and when you should say something. Uh. And those are my favorite 893 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:06.960 stories because I don't believe in coincidences. Those times where you're like, I 894 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:11.159 don't know why I'm saying this, but have you ever and you know, 895 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:15.280 like, have you ever considered right this? And man, it's it's just 896 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.679 it's so good to know that we get to unite with the King of Kings, 897 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:26.800 the Lord of Lords, and he promises to never leave nor forsake us. 898 01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.000 Now, like, will we make mistakes and be like, workout your 899 01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.480 voice? Did I miss Did I miss hear that? YEA, yeah, 900 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:36.079 totally, that will absolutely happen. But as far as the hack, I 901 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:42.920 like what she said like leave breadcrumbs, leave little bits of information and let 902 01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:47.559 people. Let people seek the answers, or if they want to know more 903 01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:53.199 from you, they'll come to you and they'll ask Like I or I sell 904 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:56.719 Dotera essential oils, and it's the same thing when it comes to sales. 905 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:00.199 I love sharing with people and I very rarely say hey, are you interested 906 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.719 in buying? Like I was at the library the other day and a mom 907 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:10.039 had a son and the son was just freaking out about something and she was 908 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.639 trying to get him to calm down. And I said, hey, I 909 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.560 have this adaptive roller. It's an essential oil mix and it's really good at 910 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:19.800 calming and grounding, Like would you like to try it? And she was 911 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.920 like, yeah, absolutely, thank you so much, and she rolled it 912 01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.119 on and he was able to kind of like, you know, I wasn't 913 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:30.720 like miraculous, but it works with our system. It helps us calm down. 914 01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.079 He was able to take a deep breath and calm down, and we 915 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:36.119 just went our different ways. She's thanked me, she was so grateful, 916 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:40.720 but I wasn't like, oh, by the way, here's my card and 917 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.640 here's how you can get in touch with me. Because I would love her 918 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.960 at some point to say, hey, you know that really made a difference. 919 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:53.560 Maybe I'll start studying or learning about alternative therapies. Like it doesn't have 920 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:58.920 to be through us, but if we leave breadcrumbs and we leave little pieces 921 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:03.840 of truth wherever we go, oh, people will seek that, maybe at 922 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:08.439 a different time, and they'll come to the truth at some point, I'm 923 01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:12.479 sure indeed. And one thing I'm not sure I even mentioned before, but 924 01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:15.159 you mentioned sales, and that's something that I did when I was younger, 925 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:16.800 and then when I retired from the army, I had moven stores, so 926 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:21.600 I had to pick back up those the salesmanship skills. And one thing I 927 01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:25.359 remembered when I opened my business back up was one of the first things I 928 01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:29.640 was taught back in eighty nine or ninety whatever it was, was never ask 929 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:33.800 yes or no questions, right. You always ask open ended questions, you 930 01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:39.079 know, so to continue the conversation because you never want the customer to say 931 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.960 no. And that's something that I've been thinking about a lot lately, even 932 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.039 though I've been out of the sales industry for a few years now, is 933 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:49.119 whether it be discussing faith or discussing just say flat earth well, let's keep 934 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:53.159 questions that don't end up with it though, instead of just saying, hey, 935 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:56.319 do you want to hear about flat Earth? Just you know, hey, 936 01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:00.600 do you ever think about how far the sun and the moon are getting 937 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:04.640 into the conversation like that, That's something I've been thinking about absolutely so so 938 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:10.239 that I, like I said, I when I'm one of those people, 939 01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:14.079 one of my favorite questions to ask people is what is God teaching you? 940 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.359 Like if you ask any of my friends, I like, any of my 941 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.159 Bible study anybody, any truly, anybody who knows me. That is a 942 01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.159 question I ask all the time. I ask my kids, I ask my 943 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:27.880 family. So I'll ask the question what is God teaching you? Because I 944 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.359 believe that He's always teaching you something, and it might be something new and 945 01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:35.479 exciting, but it also could just be he's reminding you of something. He's 946 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:41.680 reminding you of his joy and his peace, Like he might be reminding you 947 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.600 of a doctrinal issue. He might be reminding you of an emotional thing. 948 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.800 So He's always teaching you something. And if we have that in the back 949 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.439 of our head, like what are you trying to teach me today? I 950 01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:58.119 think that's a really safe place to exist, to always have a teachable spirit, 951 01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:01.039 to always be in a place of of learning, of seeking. And 952 01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:10.359 I think that is where flat Earth becomes so exciting because it changes, it 953 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:15.560 changes the conversation. And furthermore, like even you know, something that we've 954 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:21.760 continued studying is the calendar. Excuse me, I feel like studying the calendar 955 01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:27.399 the way Man created it versus the way God created it. And I think 956 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:31.640 that's like it just gets more and more detailed as you go. And that's 957 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:35.119 for me, that's what God's teaching me, or starting, I don't say 958 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:41.600 like teaching me, but continuing to refine in making. Yeah, and that's 959 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.239 great because I remember back to that was one of the impressions your father left 960 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.720 with me when he mentioned about the lunar cycles or the lunar Sabbath. I 961 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:53.800 believe it was right. Yeah, so, and it's so it's been really 962 01:11:53.880 --> 01:12:00.239 interesting because for me, as a sabbath keeper, I have for a long 963 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:04.000 time considered Saturday as the seventh day of the week. Therefore it is the 964 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:09.840 seventh day Sabbath. But when you start to look into the calendar, the 965 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:16.239 original calendar, I mean, the first century Roman calendar was based totally different. 966 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:19.880 Like for example, even the months were different. So like even if 967 01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.600 you look at December, deaths is a ten. December used to be the 968 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:29.760 tenth month of the calendar. November no used to be the ninth month of 969 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.800 the calendar. It is no longer, right, So these are things that 970 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:38.399 change over time. Similarly, Saturday, which was actually satire day because all 971 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:43.239 the days of the Roman calendar were named after gods, pagan gods, so 972 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:47.600 satire is sat y r satire day that used to be the first day of 973 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.319 the week. And you can see this, this is all documented, like 974 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:55.600 you can go through and study the calendar, and the months were different, 975 01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:59.520 the days of the weeks were different, and to me, it's just one 976 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.600 of those it's another thing that the devil got his hands on where so many 977 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.640 people will say, well, like we've never lost the seven day gate count. 978 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:12.680 And they'll also say, everybody's willing to look at the calendar in the 979 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.039 Bible and say, yes, that's based on the moon because especially flat Earth, 980 01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:20.199 there's flatter Earthers love the verse in let's say Genesis, let there be 981 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:25.199 lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night. 982 01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.359 Let be let them be for signs and seasons and for days and years. 983 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:30.159 Right, So we love talking about that verse and saying, hey, here's 984 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:34.279 a firmament, what does that mean? But also the lights in the heavens 985 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.199 were meant to be sat for signs and seasons. They were meant to tell 986 01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:43.560 us the calendar. They were meant to give us an idea of God's calendar. 987 01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:47.720 And I'll often tell people, yes, it's confusing, it's like it's 988 01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:51.359 just mind bending. But it's the same sort of mind bend that we had 989 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:56.520 to do in the flat earth, because if you were to like, let's 990 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.960 say we were both like me and a sabbath, like a Saturday Sabbath, 991 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:04.479 were on a ship and we got, you know, jumbled at sea, 992 01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:08.359 and we ended up on an island, and we don't know what day of 993 01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.479 the week it is. We wake up and we have no idea, we 994 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:15.039 have no concept of a calendar, no concept of time. It's just me 995 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:19.840 and this Saturday Sabbath keeper on this island. Well after about two nights, 996 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:24.800 give me forty eight hours of watching the stars and the moon and the sun, 997 01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:27.680 and I can tell you what day of the week it is. And 998 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:30.239 what day of the month it is wow, based on a biblical calendar. 999 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:35.119 As somebody who has a gate count, they're never ever going to know unless 1000 01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:40.600 man tells them, right. Kicker, there's the kicker. Man has to 1001 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:44.000 be in charge of a gate count, and you have to trust that man 1002 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.720 never messed it up and that it never got switched around. And we don't 1003 01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:50.359 have any proof of that because the calendar went all over the place. Constantine 1004 01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:55.960 changed the calendar. The calendar in France was different at one time. They've 1005 01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:59.399 changed the dateline, you know, like that's I mean, that's super recent. 1006 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.399 They uh, they move the entire dateline. So this I think it's 1007 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:05.800 an island in Samoa. I could be wrong, but an island, there's 1008 01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:11.199 a there's an island group of people that literally lost a day. And so 1009 01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:16.399 there's people there that still keep the quote original Saturday Sabbath, but now it's 1010 01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:21.800 actually Sunday. And then there's people that change to the quote new Saturday because 1011 01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:27.159 the days got changed and they're all messed up. And so to tell me 1012 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:32.359 that man that we have to depend on man to keep the to keep God 1013 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:36.720 Sabbath is a very difficult thing for me to understand. And I am somebody 1014 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:42.880 that have help Like I just become obsessed with looking at nature. I believe 1015 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.399 that nature brings us closer to God. And that's what the flat earth model 1016 01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.600 does too, because as you look around you and you say, hey, 1017 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:55.520 does water stick to a ball as it's spinning? No, no way, 1018 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.640 Like I nowhere do we see that. And in fact, we see differences 1019 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.359 in help plants grow based on the lunar cycle. We see differences. We 1020 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:09.760 see so many things about nature that is beautiful. It's all systematic. It 1021 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.920 all leads back to a creator. And I'm like, I'm not a pantheist. 1022 01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:15.880 I don't believe that God is in nature that we can like, I 1023 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.039 don't know, commune with the trees. I don't believe that. But I 1024 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:23.920 do believe that nature points back to God. And the lights in the sky 1025 01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:27.760 also point back to God. And if we were and I'll tell you what 1026 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:33.399 I have been keeping quote the lunar solar Sabbath based on something called the World's 1027 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:39.199 Last Chance calendar. So World's Last Chance does like an app so you can 1028 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:43.840 figure out the moon. So get this. I was telling people, I 1029 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:46.000 keep a lunar Solar's calendar, but I use an app to figure it out. 1030 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:49.880 And then I like dawned on me, like this is not the way 1031 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:54.640 God designed it. So I'm my husband and I are recently trying to like 1032 01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:59.560 go out and track the moon ourselves, and it's hard because we thought we 1033 01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.920 were on on like doing it right. And then we recently had a speaker 1034 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:08.720 come. His name's Troy Miller. He has creation calendar dot Com and he 1035 01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:12.039 was like, actually, you're a day off and it was so disheartening. 1036 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.399 I was like, God, we're trying to do this and you know, 1037 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:17.439 like how can we first? How can we know that we're right? But 1038 01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:23.359 here, here's what God told me in that I know that can make people's 1039 01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:28.760 hair bristle. But God revealed to me that it's not about being perfect because 1040 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:32.960 his son was perfect, and it's not about fulfilling all of these requirements. 1041 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:38.600 It's about looking up. Look up and look at the sky and look at 1042 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:44.279 what I created and give it a try. Try to see me in my 1043 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.039 creation. Try to see the things that I've designed, because it's worth it, 1044 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.279 and it's gonna be hard, and you're not going to be good at 1045 01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:55.520 it because you have been so tied to the media, to the digital to 1046 01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:00.479 all the things that we find that take us away from nature. And I 1047 01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:05.199 just here's what. I fully believe that God created us to spend more time 1048 01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:09.880 in nature. And I do believe that the Sabbath has to do with his 1049 01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:15.760 lunar solar cycle, and I do believe that He ultimately wants us to find 1050 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.800 it like a hidden jewel, a hidden gem. I believe that it's a 1051 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:26.239 special thing for him. And it's again, I've dealt with the word legalism 1052 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:29.640 my whole life. I get it. I get that anytime you're talking about 1053 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:32.720 trying to follow the precepts of God, you're going to have to deal with 1054 01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:39.039 whether you're doing it for legal legalistic reasons. And what it comes down to 1055 01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:45.000 is loving your Father. Like if we love the creator God, we just 1056 01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:48.079 we want to do the things he said. And that is what it means 1057 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:51.199 when His spirit works in us. And it doesn't mean that we'll do it 1058 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:57.399 perfectly all the time, but it does mean that we seek, we seek 1059 01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:02.359 learning, we seek doing, we seek being Christ on earth. Like That's 1060 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:05.279 that's what it means when he says I will send the advocate and he will 1061 01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:11.119 be with you. Christ can live in and through us, and when Christ 1062 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:14.319 lives through us, it says, you will be perfect, as my father 1063 01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.319 in heaven is perfect. And every single time we say yes to what God 1064 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:21.039 is putting in front of us, we are perfect. And in that moment 1065 01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:26.439 like, yes, we can fall, but we can also be renewed and 1066 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:30.680 redeemed and find repentance. So yeah, that was a soapbox as well, 1067 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.600 and I just yeah, I want to turn people to the heavens. Look 1068 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:39.640 up, give it a try. That's great. And I'm looking at this 1069 01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:44.000 website, the World's Last Chance. It's it says today is the seventh Lunation 1070 01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:49.640 day twenty nine Sabbath day, no work. Mm hmm. That's really interesting. 1071 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:54.159 And that's the thing too, it really So here's what's so interesting to 1072 01:19:54.239 --> 01:20:00.640 me, is like keeping a lunation. Once you start getting to that numbers. 1073 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:02.199 I know you're a numbers guy. I won't go too into the weeds 1074 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:06.399 here, but and I know also that we're not supposed to find dates. 1075 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:13.319 But once you start keeping like we're on the six thousand and tenth lunation? 1076 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:15.279 Is that what I said? Did you say? It just says, I 1077 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.479 guess this is that the yearly one at seventh lu nation day twenty nine. 1078 01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:24.600 Okay, so yeah, we're so seventh month, the out day twenty nine. 1079 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:27.760 But so like when you look at the World's Last Chance calendar, it'll 1080 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:32.880 tell you what like year it is, but from the creation of the world 1081 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:38.920 essentially, and it's i'd have to see the lunation of that. I put 1082 01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:43.000 my phone somewhere, but uh, it's just neat to start playing with the 1083 01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:47.680 numbers and start realizing, like I really really believe that the feasts are going 1084 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:53.880 to be something that I don't want to say predicts, but I'm gonna say 1085 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:59.359 it predicts when God moves and what he does, because there's a reason that 1086 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.479 pass over. There's a reason that passover was when it was right, because 1087 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:09.479 then Jesus came and fulfilled he was the passover lamb, and then Pentecost obviously 1088 01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:15.399 fulfilled feast of trumpets. I'm saying that correctly, m h anyway, And 1089 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:19.520 then so like we've had these fulfillments, but the last three feasts haven't been 1090 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:25.119 fulfilled. So and I don't say that to say like, oh, everybody 1091 01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:30.479 better be keeping the feast. I say that to like remind people the Bible, 1092 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:33.680 the story of the Bible is not over. And all of the things 1093 01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:39.319 that we were discovering, whether it's Masons or you know, whatever's happening in 1094 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:42.880 the government, and whatever's happening in the deep State and all of these things. 1095 01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:46.199 Ultimately it's all part of this story that still has not had a cap 1096 01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:50.239 on it, Like we are about to see the fulfillment of Day of Atonement 1097 01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:56.960 and the feast of tabernacles like these are things that have yet to happen. 1098 01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:05.520 And I really do believe that the calendar is ultimately going to m It's going 1099 01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:11.319 to help us know when the end is near. It's going to help us 1100 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:19.199 see and prepare and to be closer to Christ in his natural world. Yeah, 1101 01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:23.640 that's what they're saying. It's a andy and they even have a whole 1102 01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:27.439 thing on flatter on this as well. That's rue. Oh yeah, I 1103 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:31.039 think that's actually that was for sure, the journey flat Earth first, and 1104 01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:39.159 then the calendar that was our walk really good and it's been we're kind of 1105 01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:41.800 coming up on the ninety minute mark, but I certainly am not going to 1106 01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:45.079 let you go without giving you an opportunity to tell the audience about your podcast 1107 01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:51.920 and what permaculture is all about thanks. Yeah, yeah, I I made 1108 01:22:51.920 --> 01:23:00.000 this podcast probably hmmm while I was well, right after I had my baby 1109 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:05.279 girl, and I just am. I'm a Communication arts major with the Digital 1110 01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:10.600 Studies certificate. I did two years at University of Wisconsin, and then I 1111 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:16.039 took a hiatus. I did a little like an evangelism school down in Florida 1112 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:19.399 called Life the Lay Institute for Evangelism, which I don't believe is around anymore, 1113 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:25.920 but that's where I studied. And then I did my Thunder in the 1114 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:30.239 Holy Land, a Bible study documentary series with Questline productions. I should also 1115 01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:34.479 mention I also was on a reality show called College Life an MTV, and 1116 01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:39.319 yeah, that was when I was in college. My freshman year of college, 1117 01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:42.920 I was on a reality show, which it always cracks me up that 1118 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:45.279 God has like God knows us better than we know ourselves, and he let 1119 01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:49.359 me kind of dip my toes into fame, if you will, in the 1120 01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:54.439 world of media that I thought I wanted to be in, and then I 1121 01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:57.920 got to see the side of it that I didn't want to be a part 1122 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.359 of, and God just like raised me up and out of that, which 1123 01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:08.840 was so cool. And so yeah, when I started the Permaculture Princess blog 1124 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:16.039 in podcasts, I had the intention of sharing, of writing, of using 1125 01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:21.239 some of the gifts God has given me to share about permaculture design. At 1126 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:27.039 the time, it kind of transformed into something different. But permaculture is essentially 1127 01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:35.600 this idea that if we grow and do if we grow the way that God 1128 01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:40.560 intended, if we grow the way that nature intended, we will have greater 1129 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:45.399 abundance. And the way that Nature designed things are without spaces, like there's 1130 01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:48.960 not big chunks of spaces. When you watch nature grow, it's vibrant and 1131 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:54.760 abundant, and there's usually lots of different plants, lots of variety. There's 1132 01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:59.920 never bare soil. Everything is always mulched in some way or it has grown 1133 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.880 cover. And all of that I could go, I could go deeper in 1134 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:06.560 all of that. But all of that's to say that I believe that if 1135 01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:11.680 we grow the way God intended us to grow food, we're going to have 1136 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:15.439 abundance in the same way that I believe if we live the way God intended 1137 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:20.319 us to live, we will also have abundance. And that is the message 1138 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:24.439 that I like, I want to get across with Permaculture Princess. I'm a 1139 01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:29.359 personal trainer, so I love helping people lift weights and lose weight and you 1140 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.359 know, get healthy. But more than that, I want to help people 1141 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:36.560 wake up in the morning and feel excited about the day, and feel excited 1142 01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:44.319 and energized and ready to learn and grow, and to actually get a little 1143 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:48.840 taste of the kingdom here, you know, like no we have. It 1144 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:54.359 was first Corinthians, and Corinthians like I has not seen nor ear heard, 1145 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:58.960 nor has it entered into the mind of man what God has prepared for those 1146 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:01.479 who love him. And I fully believe that like we can't, we can't 1147 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:05.520 fathom it. I know that, But I do also believe that the Kingdom 1148 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:12.039 of Heaven is at hand and if we we can just allow people to taste 1149 01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:15.079 a little bit, just a little bit of it here, it will get 1150 01:26:15.119 --> 01:26:23.079 them excited to pursue to pursue heaven when it gets hard, because I do 1151 01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:28.359 believe that it's only getting harder, it's going to get really dark. It's 1152 01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:31.560 going to get really dark before he comes. And I think that if we 1153 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:39.279 can experience and taste heaven, we'll be able to work and live through that 1154 01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:44.159 darkness. I couldn't agree more. And I think what we saw in twenty 1155 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.039 twenty and twenty twenty one, I think that is just a small taste of 1156 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:50.000 what we have to look forward to. So again, it's very important we 1157 01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:54.560 stand tall in our convictions and the more people we get on, you know, 1158 01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:59.600 Team Jesus, that the stronger of community. And I think people when 1159 01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:01.960 they see things like that, like, for example, and I just wanted 1160 01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:05.760 to touch on this really quick, but there was something walking into a grocery 1161 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:09.760 store without a mask. There were people who, of course they went on 1162 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:13.199 power trips, but you could see in people's eyes like that they appreciated that 1163 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:15.439 you're going out there and standing for something that meant something to a lot of 1164 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:20.039 people. Oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure. I agree. And 1165 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:25.520 you know, I know that there are a lot of people that feel really 1166 01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:29.279 alone in their search for truth. And I am, like, it really 1167 01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:33.720 just shatters my heart when people are say that, like they've lost kids or 1168 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:39.319 marriages or whatever in this pursuit, Like, I'm so sorry and I'm praying 1169 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:43.399 for those people. But here's the other thing. I really do believe that 1170 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:46.279 God is creating lighthouses, and where there's a lighthouse, there's not a lot 1171 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:50.000 of there's not a lot of other light, but you need these lighthouses to 1172 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:55.640 stand out. And it's going to stand like all the people that are seeking 1173 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:59.920 truth and finding and standing for what they're convicted on, they are going to 1174 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.239 lighthouses and they're going to guide people home. Like that's that's going to be 1175 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:09.079 let your lyso shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify 1176 01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:15.800 your father in heaven. So yeah, that's I had no idea that I 1177 01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:17.079 would talk this much, George, believe it or not. I was like, 1178 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:21.319 I don't know how I'm gonna fill a whole podcast. Oh, it 1179 01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:26.119 was tremendous. We could probably go on for another three hours, but I 1180 01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:28.880 think this is probably a great place. We just hit the ninety minute mark 1181 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.199 and we've touched on so much, and you've presented everything so well, and 1182 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:39.159 I'm so appreciative to have you on and again to all the listeners. Andrea's 1183 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:44.920 website which is permaculture Princess dot com and her email address which is the Permaculture 1184 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.920 Princess at gmail dot com. We'll be in the show description. Feel free 1185 01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:51.600 to check out her website. Make sure you listen to the podcasts support her 1186 01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:56.079 that way, and then you know, hit her up with your questions and 1187 01:28:56.119 --> 01:29:00.039 your comments and your helloes, and you know, maybe if you're in the 1188 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.239 area. I mean, there's just so much this, this tremendous community we're 1189 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:05.560 building. And with that being said, I'll turn it over to you for 1190 01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:12.399 the last word. Well, thank you so much. Yeah I am. 1191 01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:16.159 I'm so excited about being able to share. And then if anything came across, 1192 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:24.000 if anything came across, well, praise God because he gives us so 1193 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:28.399 much, and so I can think thank him for that. And uh yeah, 1194 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.039 I think to anybody who especially is feeling alone in this, I'm just 1195 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.439 going to leave you with Philippians one six, which says, being confident of 1196 01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:39.239 this very thing, that he who has started a good work in us will 1197 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:43.159 complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. So keep your hand to the 1198 01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:47.000 plow and keep digging like it's not it's not done, it's not over yet, 1199 01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:54.319 and there's there's more to this battle. Indeed, the battle has just 1200 01:29:54.399 --> 01:30:00.319 begun. And I like, stand strong in your convictions and do everything like 1201 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:04.079 I tell my little one. Remember God's always watching. And what we said 1202 01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:08.840 in the military was you know, you could really tell someone's moral compass of 1203 01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:12.840 what they're doing when they're not being watched. So you know, we are 1204 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.319 facing difficult times, you know, at the same time that they want you 1205 01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:19.199 to think that everything is just misery and terrible. Don't live in fear. 1206 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:24.680 I mean living fear of God obviously and in that aspect, but don't live 1207 01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:27.760 in fear of man. That That's the one lesson I took away from the 1208 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.800 whole COVID mess was people were so afraid of dying that they forgot how to 1209 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:36.359 live. Amen. Amen, Yeah, yeah, for God is not given 1210 01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:40.039 us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a 1211 01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:42.800 sound mind. So yeah, keep it up. You're doing a great work. 1212 01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:45.199 George, thank you so much, and thank you so much. And 1213 01:30:45.279 --> 01:30:48.239 again, folks, all of Andrew's contact information will be in the show description. 1214 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:51.800 And again, thank you all for your continued support. And until next 1215 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:55.399 time, my friends, God bless each and every one of you. Keep 1216 01:30:55.439 --> 01:31:01.520 your head on a swivel. We will see you. I know it's been 1217 01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:11.560 struggle, God, I know you've had spain. I don't feel tired, 1218 01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:21.560 held down by all the way. Yeah, don't you feel you smile ain't 1219 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:29.960 the same. I saw you where to go from here? I feel like 1220 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:38.840 you've lost your way. Don't give it, No, don't give it and 1221 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:44.760 never is hold. Don't they call the primise it ain't done yet. He's 1222 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:53.840 got a plan. Why it's a way time got up? May come? 1223 01:31:54.520 --> 01:32:06.600 Why wait, god y call, I can see the straight beside you. 1224 01:32:09.119 --> 01:32:15.000 Childs are putting up the five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing. 1225 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:21.800 You are. Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead 1226 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:30.720 found you beautiful. You're shoving ride. Yeah, you're living, breathing, 1227 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:40.359 move, you can hold your head a pie. Don't give up, No, 1228 01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:45.479 don't give in, never lose home, don't let gone on the primise 1229 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:51.319 me ain't done yet. It's got up. Lat wan's a way down the 1230 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:58.880 god of me because don't give up. No, don't give in. You 1231 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:04.199 never lose, don't don't let go on the primis it ain't gonfe it's worth 1232 01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:15.600 them in. What's a way down? The god baby Why it's a play 1233 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:24.359 down the god of bavy co Oh, yeah, what's a play down the 1234 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:36.319 god of baby come? Oh yeah, the God of TV coll Oh, 1235 01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:47.920 don't give up, no, don't give in. Never so do they go 1236 01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:57.039 off the primis I mean and don Yas got up playing watch a God of 1237 01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:04.119 heavy coats, Don't give no dog getting never hold, don't let go of 1238 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:13.239 the crown, it's getting done. Lovers worth living, whats and God of 1239 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:30.119 any cos all the God of needs cos? Why's dog? God of any 1240 01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:45.520 case? You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.