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You don't do away Prive seventeen.
Do you want to report a UFO thanking

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him? Don't want to report every
thirty one? Do you wish to report

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a UFO hob and we weren't for
one of those every thirty one? Do

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you wish to find a report of
any kind of him? I wouldn't know

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what kind of rey was cloud n
every thirty one me neither there seton one

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pup of golf good if it was
above us to pass us, Like thirty

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seconds ago, were said one pup
of golf thinking it okay off a UFO

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yeah, and nine a cloud Yes, I'll get passed over by God.

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I don't know what it was,
but it's from at least two three thousand

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feet above us, So I passed
right over the top of us ninety one

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one. You just called off to
be the folds. They're after Stan airplane

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and it is actually hear, I
swear to God. Cam in on unidentified

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on ject liberty more calm unidentified flying
on Jack All right, Welcome to UFO

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Chronicles, a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained.

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and welcome to the show. I
hope you're all doing good. I'm Nick

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Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles
podcast. Tonight we stop off in Idaho

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in the US to hear from k
See and his unexplained experiences involving weird lights,

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missing time, and which encounter Casey
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to continue running. Now on with
the show, Hello, Casey, Welcome

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to the show. Hey, how's
you going next? Pretty good? Thank

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you and thank you for coming on
today. And you'll call in from the

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state of Idaho. Yeah, yeah, I've only been here for about a

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year, but living in Idaho now, and do you like it. Oh

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yeah, I love it. It's
um well, I lived in if you

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know, Washington kind of around Seattle
area, and it was just dealing with

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traffic and out here it's a lot
more open and I have a really outdoor

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lifestyle, so camping, hiking,
fishing, all that. So yeah,

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it's perfect out here for me and
my family. Perfect. It sounds lovely.

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Okay, Now, Casey, you
have some unexplained experiences to share.

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Would you like to start the beginning
please? Yeah. Yeah, I'll just

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start at the beginning. So let's
see. So I was born in nineteen

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eighty two, so definitely nineties kid, you know, eighties and nineties kid.

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But ever since I was a little
kid, I really dealed with a

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lot of sleep paralysis. I mean
basically my whole life. It kind of

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as it became an adult, it's
it's it's phased out a lot. I

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still get it, but not like
I did when I was a kid and

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teenager. I mean it was multiple
times a week i'd be dealing with that.

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And you know, and when I
just assumed that was normal, that

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everyone got that, and it sounds
like a lot of people do, but

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you know, I dealt with bed
wedding, and I think that's related to

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that. Up until an age I
shouldn't have been, and I would always

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get a lot of bloody noses as
a kid and teenager, and it would

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just for no reason, you know, wouldn't be like humidity change. It

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would just I would wake up and
I'd have a bloody nose, and or

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I'd just be sitting there and sometimes
my mom would say that I'd kind of

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space out a little bit and then
get a bloody nose. So I don't

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know if that's related but or to
everything, but yeah, that would happen

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a lot. And then my big
thing was during sleep paralysis. Every once

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in a while I would see some
sort of It wasn't like a top pat

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like people talk about a shot,
like kind of a shadow in the background,

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But what I'd get a lot is
spiders. I'd see a lot of

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spiders. And everyone's sometimes to be
a single big spider, but a lot

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of times it'd be a lot of
little spiders. And I'll always chopped that

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up to like wild imagination. But
I remember ever just tucking in my sheets

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to the extreme around my feet,
my whole body, just because they just

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would see these shadows I would think, I thought as an adult that is

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like, oh, that was just
my imagination. But I would see these

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things and and actually to this day, like if I go to a hotel

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and the sheets are tucked in or
something like that, I have to untuck

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it because I would get really claustrophobic
with my feet tucked in like that.

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I remember being a little kid just
getting all sweaty and wanting to get out.

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But those spiders, you know,
And on that fast forward. Actually,

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just the last year, I was
listening to a podcast and this lady

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wrote a book about sleep Rout assistant. She casually dropped in there that people

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see shadows spiders, and that she
didn't really go into more detail, but

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that that that blew my mind.
That's what I was dealing with, Like

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these shadows spiders. I like bugs, and even when I was a kid,

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I'd be okay with spiders. But
actually, just recently, I've watched

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in the Star Wars Mandalonian show on
the Disney Channel, and they had a

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scene in episode two with all these
little spiders, and like, out of

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all the movies ever saw, that
scene creeped me out more than anything.

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I was like, I almost had
to look away, and I can watch

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anything but that I was like,
well I could, I couldn't handle that.

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But so okay, So from on
there and this kind of I try

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to like I asked my mom a
few of this to try to get a

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timeline at things. But so when
I was in when I was five,

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in preschool, I think I was, yeah, preschool, I was at

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this small school and for some reason
at this it was I think it was

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like a Catholic school or something like
that. For members in my memories are

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really vivid at this place, like
I remember it is weird. I remember

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what people wore, I remember the
teacher really well, just all around this

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school. I have really vivid memories. And I had this So I had

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this weird memory and where I was
going in the back part of the school,

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the outside area, and we were
blowing those really big bubbles like you

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get like a bigger ring and you
do a big bubble. And I went

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around the corner and I just remember
freezing. And it sound a little weird,

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but I felt like I physically like
I saw my body as a kid

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and I went inside that bubble and
I I don't know if something traumatic happened.

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And I've heard since then that,
you know, sometimes people have traumatic

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things happened to them and then they
kind of like they they kind of as

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a kid and you forced yourself to
like leave your body or you know,

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like visualize yourself leaving your body.
But it felt very um, it felt

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really real. I still it still
feels like it was a real memory.

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So I don't know what that was. But I think with sleep prolysis and

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really vivid dreams and sometimes the feelings
was the same symtimes and sleep proud,

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my body would vibrate and I could
like I could see my body. So

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I don't know, but that was
kind of a weird, a weird experienced.

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And I remember my mom around the
time was saying that, you know

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something, she was saying something that
I got in trouble from the teacher,

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and she said that the teacher didn't
make sense of what I was saying,

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like as in like I was telling
this teacher something that didn't make sense to

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her, and so my mom pulled
me from that school. But I,

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you know, that's still something that
I've been trying to get out of my

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mom, if she has more information
or what, But I you know that's

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like something like I think about.
And so fast forward to when I was

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about seven, dealing with sleep proalysis. I did have probably the weirdest one

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I had as a kid. Was
laying there sleep prowses. I can't move,

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you know. I well, if
you don't know what sleep proviss,

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I'm sure everyone does. But you
basically are asleep, but your mind is

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awake, and then you're paralyzed.
So you know, you try to tell

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yourself move your fingers, move,
move, you know, and you start

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to kind of panic as you can't. You feel paralyzed, and you're really

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Sometimes your senses are really alert.
You can hear noises and feel vibrations.

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But I was in that and I
started feeling vibrations really strong, and I

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saw like and you know in Star
Wars or Star Trek when they go to

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hyper speed and there's like tracers.
I saw like all these tracers. And

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the weird thing is I my room
was upstairs and my parents was downstairs.

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I woke up all my parents' floor, or I didn't. I got up

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from that experience from my floor,
so I went to bed. In my

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bed, I know I was in
there, and then I was on my

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parents' floor. So I don't you
know, maybe I slept walk and I

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was having a weird at a body
experience. I don't know, but um,

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and actually my parents were a little
concerned because of all the sleep proass

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and the experiences, and you know, there's no Internet back then, and

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they weren't finding too much information.
And actually, after that night with the

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tracers or whatever, they actually got
me like a full like EG to make

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sure I wasn't having seizures, and
everything showed up negative. So yeah,

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that was kind of strange. And
then, um, another experience I had

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was this happened when I was in
sixth grade twelve. My high school friend

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or I mean, well junior all
the way through high school. Friend.

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There we go, I won't I'll
just call him Steve, but that's not

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his name. But Steve and me
and his mom went to his cabin.

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And this was in Washington and it
was kind of by Olympia. I can't

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it was. It was off the
freeway, it was on a lake,

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and I can't remember. I mean
I was, I wasn't really paying too

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much attention, but it was just
us three and I guess kind of side

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note, I kind of sense there
was some kind of something going on with

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his parents, you know, like
fighting or something like that, so it

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was just it was just me,
me, Steve and his mom. But

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we get there, you know,
it's a nice view and hanging up the

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lake, and his room where he
slept had like an upstairs like you climb

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up a ladder, and there were
some bunks up there, and up there

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was a wigi board. And you
know, I've heard about wigi boards but

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never used one. And I grew
up on a religious household, and you

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know, I remember my ball.
I'm telling me they're super evil, but

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I didn't really wasn't really buying into
that. And he was like, yeah,

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this these really work and it really
works here. He's like, I've

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taken it home to my house and
it doesn't work, but it really works

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in this cabin. And he said
that he found it in the basement of

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this cabin that they bought on the
lake. And the whole time I'm just

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like, no, you know,
or kind of like I don't think,

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so, I don't think. So
he got as serious as you can get

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for a twelve year old. It's
like, no, I'm serious, this

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really works. We will try it
and so okay, you know, and

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you know we're asking questions and you
know, sure enough, it's it's moving

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and you know, just slightly,
and it seems like it's answering the questions.

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And I knew nothing about really like
how you're supposed to be using these

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things, and you know, like
I, you know, I didn't know

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you're supposed to say I don't remember
signing off, like you're supposed to say

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make it go goodbye, or say
that okay, yeah, I'm done,

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or say you're done, and it
was say kind of like, you know,

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it's just you know, I remember, like what's your name? You

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know, I gave us a name
I can't remember. And then through questions

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it said it was going to see
us that night, which is kind of

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kind of creepy, but in the
back of my mind, I'm like,

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this is this is Steve messing with
me, you know. And then he

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went downstairs to go to the bathroom
or something, and I was like,

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I'm I'm taking this thing out.
I'm like, let's see this worst with

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just me and I. I kid
you not, it was I mean,

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it was just me and it was
working. And also apparently that's a big

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no no and I asked the question
and it was somewhat like it was a

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number. I can't remember what,
but it was like a number based question.

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And the Ouiji board went to six
and then it backed up and then

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went up to six again, backed
up and went to six. And I'm

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not like I thought, even though
I was, you know, twelve religious

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family, I wasn't really I didn't
believe in any you know, I was

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over the church at that age.
And then in my hand it started moving

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fast and it was kind of going
like in a circle and freaked me out.

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That freaked me out. And another
like side note on that, I

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was listening to another podcast as adult
and thereon was telling a weuigi board story

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or you know, and they said
that something to do with like portals and

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then making the affinity symbol. And
I thought about it, and I was,

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that feels very accurate of what was
happening that it was because I remember

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like a circle like going and it
was going kind of fast. And once

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again I didn't close that out because
I didn't know. But um, but

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as far as like you know,
I've told a few people that and you

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know, people, I asked me
if I feel like anything's like attached to

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me and I don't think so I
haven't really. I mean, I definitely

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have had really weird experiences throughout my
life, but nothing that lines up with

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people when they get to attachments like
that. And I also have really bad

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ADHD. So I if I think
something, I'll start thinking about the next

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thing and I forget about what I
was just thinking about. So I don't

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know, maybe something weird happened here
or there and I just forgot about it.

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Okay, So going further more too, when I was in my early

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twenties one twenty two, around that
age, we used to go to this

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me and three or four friends would
go to this bar. They had dollar

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beer nights or picture Knight, which
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price to two dollars and limit two
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So we get these pictures of beer
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out when the bar's closed, we'd
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walk in this trail and at the
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we never saw people or anything like
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we left a little well. I
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a crush on the game with us
but came with us, And I remember

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leaving half an hour before the bar
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thirty and go to the trail,
sit down the lake and we're just hanging

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out. We're all, you know, it's like five of us talking and

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we saw a well, I mean, it seemed like a shooting star or

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a meteor or something like that.
And I've tried to look up if this

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this happens when you see certain meteors
getting close to the surface or what,

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but I nothing has really popped up. They're really this exactly like this.

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When we streaked the sky, it
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complete daylight bright. It was so
bright, and we were all like what

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like, we all just stopped,
you know, and are talking and just

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like wow, you know what amazing, and we're all like that was that

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must have been a meteor, you
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I don't know the reason I mentioned
this story is when we got when we

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walked back off of the trail,
it was five in the morning. I

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mean, because I remember thinking really
like, why how were we out there

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that late? You know, it
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late at that time, but it
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know, four hours or whatever,
two max. But I remember just thinking

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that, I guess we just lost
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that was that was kind of that
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this isn't really I don't think this
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but I kind of run the same
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in Washington, and I was going
on a first date with this girl,

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but we knew each other but first
day in person. And I've always been

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interested in the unknown, and you
know, she kind of seemed like she

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was too. And found out that
there's an old banded mental institute in Tacoma

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across from the new Institute, and
we decided let's go walk up there,

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and we weren't exactly sure how to
get to it, but we were walking

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on this trail and this should have
been a sign to leave. I don't

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know, why didn't leave? But
I heard we heard somebody screaming like and

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then just stops like I think the
institutes that way, And this is in

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the woods and at night, and
as like I should have turned around,

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but as we're walking, there's an
owl right above us, and it was

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like it kept following us. We'd
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us again. It was really strange. And then we found this institute that,

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you know, it was like partially
broken down and there was like fencing

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around it, and then we're like
hopping the fence and then I see headlights

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coming up there. But this is
like a walking path, so I still

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don't know what if it was like
a four wheel or what. And then

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so we run and we kind of
jump over this hillside and somebody gets out

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and it's just shining a flashlight right
where we were and then just peels out.

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They was kind of strange to help
me and then the whole you know

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person but you know, looking back, maybe you should have called the police

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if somebody's screaming like that because it
doesn't seem normal. Oh shoot, okay,

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sorry almost forgot the biggest story here. So this this actually happened.

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So I'm forty now. This happened
summer six or seven years ago, seven

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I think seven, maybe maybe six. But you know, going, since

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I an outdoor person, I go
hiking camping a lot. And it was

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me, my wife, my dog, and we're meeting some friends and we're

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going to there's an area, there's
an area Winatchie where there's like a town

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that has a big tourist area and
there's a lot of outdoor stuff out there,

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camping, fishing, you name it. But um, we're going down

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a road called Chuaba River Road and
there's a lot of campsites on the way

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down there, and eventually it turns
into gravel. And once it turns into

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gravel, a lot of people don't
go for there. But if you keep

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going down there, there's a lot
of great, great spots that you won't

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have to deal with people. And
actually, if you go all the way

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the end, there's an old ghost
town called Trinity. But at the campsite

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maybe before that, before the ghost
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three spots right on the water.
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separate, different couples and all that, and it's a Friday night and you

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know, we showed up. It's
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get that ground of road, it
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kind of takes a bit. But
we showed up. But you've got a

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fire and you know, wait for
everyone to come up. And we had

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made food, hot dogs, campfire
stuff, old stories. Had two three

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beers. No one got like,
you know, the most one drink was

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maybe three beers at night. It
was nothing, nothing crazy, but we

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kind of sporadically set up our tents
and my wife and I got close to

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the water. At some point in
the middle of the night, I shot

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up. I just sat up really
fast, and it's usually when I wake

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up, it's kind of like a
groggy, slow move, but I just

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up and I remember it'd be like
I have to leave the tent, and

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then I was like, oh,
I have to leave the tent to come

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to the bathroom. But it felt
in my mind it felt really urging.

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And as I come up, like
I noticed that my wife is also up,

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and we didn't really say anything,
and I unzipped my side of the

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tent and she unzipped her side,
and the dog just laid there. And

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if you never met obviously to have
never met my dog that I had a

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Sailor, but Sailor was like a
rescue dog that anything I did, that

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dog would be on foot. That
dog did not move, which I didn't

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really think about till later, And
it is kind of weird that if they're

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thinking about it. But when I
go out of the tent, it was

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the whole everything around me was like
the color was like pink orange, it

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was like daylight. And I started
walking. I felt like I couldn't walk,

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like I was moving sideways all directions. At one point it felt like

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I was like walking up an escalator. It was very strange. But you

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would think, because this is the
weird thing that's ever happened to me,

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you think I'd like be freaking out, waking up everyone, like what is

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what is going on? These like
what is this light? Why? Why

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is it? What's happening? And
I'm all I remember, is I have

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to go over to that bush and
pea. So I'm like just focusing on

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that. And I stopped noticing the
colors because I was so focused on walking.

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But I feel like it was still
bright and I want pea. And

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I went back in the tent and
The last thing I remembered was I never

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I don't remember being this tired in
my life ever. And I can't remember

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if I saw my wife was already
laying but I can't remember if she came,

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if I saw her at that point. But um, I wake up

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and I'm laying in bed, and
I'm really I'm like, wow, that's

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the most vivid dream I've ever had, or you know, I can't because

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I clearly it didn't happen. And
I started telling my wife about this,

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like weird dream or whatever, and
she finished my sentence and she doesn't want

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to talk about it much anymore.
But the exact same thing, like she

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saw the same colors, she felt
the same thing, and it wasn't like

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I told the whole story already.
Then she says, you know, and

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then she just repeated it was we
were finishing each other, like back and

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forth, back and forth. And
also that night that I forgot to mention,

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I don't know if this happened before
after, but a deer stepped on

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our tent and it was weird,
like I could hear it, and I

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was like, that's a deer.
And one of my biggest fears camping in

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a tent is like an animal stepping
on my head. But it stepped on

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the tent, and I just remember
being like not scared. Yeah, I

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just thought, oh, it's a
I guess that's kind of a side note.

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But this whole while that whole like
thing happened, I didn't feel scared

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at all when it was happening,
her like even confused, other than I

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felt like a singular like mission.
I had to do that. That's all

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I felt. And that entired.
So it's just like and even the next

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day after we talked about it,
like, oh, let's get breakfast,

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and you know, we're just making
breakfast and you know, we're joining a

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weekend. And then it was like
I didn't even think it. I didn't

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even realize how weird it was till
like a year later, month later or

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something like that. It was just
it's it's weird. It's like, I,

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I don't know. It weirds me
out that I didn't think it was

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weird at the time. So yeah, so that that was a big one.

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And since and since that, I've
been getting more and more well.

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Someone asked me a question recently,
like did I notice anything the next day

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or do I feel different or anything
that I was. No, no,

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but I've been. The more I've
been thinking about is actually, yeah,

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I am a completely different person since
that, and I've become a very open

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spiritual person. I was never a
person that would you know, I never

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made fun of people, but once
we go'm going to do yoga or meditation,

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it become that's not for me kind
of. But I mean since then,

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I've been I've been into meditation.
Really, I don't know, I've

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turned it turned. It's weird.
After that, it turned me into like

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a really positive person as far as
spiritual spirituality. And I'm just really open.

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And I don't know if that has
to be related to that or what,

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but I just feel, actually I
feel that experience opened me up to

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be in more open essentially more more
spirit twelve for a person. And I'm

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still still not not sure what that
means. I'm still like on a mission,

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you know. I when I get
sleep, prowsis and I still do.

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I remember you know, people talking
about you know, say Jesus name

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you know or something like that,
and that does work. And you know,

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I used to be I used to
consider myself seven years, eight years

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ago, kind of an atheist but
respect everyone. But and I'm not saying

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that I that made me believe in
God, but it made me really believe

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a bit there's good and there's evil
in this world. And even if even

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if there is a God, or
if there's nothing to do with saying that

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name in that that situation, I
don't know if that's it's because you believe

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in it or because there really is
there really is like a good and evil.

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And I'm still trying to figure it
out, like I said, But

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so yeah, and I still I
still deal with sleep provissis And actually it's

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been it's been on a really big
uptick in the last few months. And

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actually so this just happened over the
summer recently. But I had five nights

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a sleep prowess out of seven,
and that's a lot, like as an

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adult, I mean not maybe not
as much as a kid, but as

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adult, that's a lot. And
the last night that I had it though,

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I kind of when I was camping
and I got like shot up fast.

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It was kind of like something like
that, like an urgency, but

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I got a really really bad feeling, something felt really wrong, and I

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got up and I looked open my
blind and looked out the window. I

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don't know why, but I looked
out the window, and our backyard is

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there's no houses we have, so
there's like some protected land in my back

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So I got my backyard, which
is smaller, but then the whole backyard

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is like protected land. There's eleven
acres and there's a creek in trail and

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stuff like that. And I'm looking
out there and I see this silent light,

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that flashing beacon but there's no really
like pattern to it, and it's

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really bright. It would be like
if someone was welding outside in the middle

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of the night, you know.
But I just like looking at this land.

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I was like, what is this? And I was it was almost

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mes brized by as you're looking at
it, look at it. And my

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wife, what are you looking at? Or what are you doing? And

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there's a weird light out there that
it's flickering every once in a while,

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And she got up and looked and
she saw it once and then it just

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it didn't do it after that.
And I don't know how long I was

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looking at that light, but I
kind of felt gay when she said,

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what are you doing? It's kind
of like I like snapped out of it

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for a second. So like,
since there's been an uptick on like sleep

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proalysis and doing research is easier,
I've been going on like a deep dive

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trying to like figure out how to
stop it so doesn't happen as much because

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it's freaking I mean, even as
adult, every time it puts me in

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it freaks me out. And I
found a video where some lady was talking

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about how to induce sleep prowsis like, what, why would anyone want this?

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But she was talking about astral projection
and all that kind of stuff and

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lucid dreaming, and I actually didn't
know what lucid dreaming was, and then

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I looked it up. Oh,
well that's I remember that when I was

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a kid having dreams where I knew
I was dreaming, and I remember what

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he's trying to do them again because
it was really really cool. And then

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since kind of getting in there,
I've had a few sleep prolysis. But

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I'm too she's saying in this video
for projection, if you get the sleep

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paralysis stage, you can talk your
body into projecting. But every time it

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happens, I still can't. I
freaked myself out, so I don't know

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if that's going to happen. But
as far as lucid dreams, I am

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interested in on that and I've been
kind of trying to do that a little

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bit. And it is weird.
Once you decide that you want to have

410
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.400
a lucid dream and you put it
in your mind and say, you know,

411
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:27.119
I'm going to remember my dreams,
you'll start remembering your dreams. It's

412
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.519
strange because I'm one of those people
I remember my dreams maybe once every three

413
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.920
weeks, and since I did that, it's been every night. I've been

414
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.599
remembering my dreams now. But I
had a night where this is just two

415
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:38.279
weeks ago, and I was kind
of, you know, my wife and

416
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.640
I were kind of having a little
argument, but I was kind of stressed

417
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.599
out about it. But I slept
on the couch and I am I got

418
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:51.119
a really bad slew prolysis, but
I felt my whole body was really vibrating.

419
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.240
Freaked me out, and then kind
of woke snapped out of it,

420
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.319
and then went back to bed and
it happened again, even stronger, and

421
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:03.880
I felt I was dying. It
was particularly bad, and I actually when

422
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.000
I finally woke myself up. We
have a big what do I call it,

423
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.960
like an L shaped couch, And
I know what time my head was

424
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.000
sleeping when I got up. When
I like woke my head up, I

425
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:18.599
was sitting up on the end of
the other couch just breathing so hard.

426
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.640
It was I still don't know how
I got over there. I don't,

427
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:23.319
you know, it was strange.
But anyways, but yeah, that's kind

428
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:27.200
of That's about it as far as
the stuff I could remember right now and

429
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.920
kind of what I've been dealing with, well interesting stuff. Casey, now,

430
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:37.000
I mean to be having five nights
at seven sleep process that is awfully

431
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:38.680
high. Yeah, yeah, it
definitely feels like it. I mean,

432
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:45.000
I think my last sleep Provisies episode
was back in I think my late my

433
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.519
late foot is now. During that
time, you know, I was dealing

434
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.200
with a mat of stress, and
I think there is definitely a correlation between

435
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:57.440
sleep prolysis and stress. But instead
of thinking the stress is causing the prolysis,

436
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:02.599
I think it's the stress has induced
something, you know, has put

437
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.279
you into a certain state which then
allows you know, the sleep paralysis to

438
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.000
happen. And yeah, you're you're
you're quite right. We are able to

439
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.519
we can be quite suggestible. When
you know, when we were in bed

440
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.759
and we're relaxing and we can say
to ourselves, you know what I do

441
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.599
it, I will remember my dreams
when I wake up. And if you

442
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.759
say that twenty odd times, so
it's then installed in your brain, in

443
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:29.839
your subconscious you will then remember clearly
your dreams. And it's the same few

444
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.200
speaks of previous generations, and they
used to do a thing where to wake

445
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.720
up in the morning, they would
tap their head twenty times on the pillow

446
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.079
and say to yourself, wake up
at a certain time. And if you

447
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:41.559
try this, you know, if
and her listeners at the try lists,

448
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.440
if you if you repeat yourself,
I will wake up at eight o'clock in

449
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.039
the morning. I will wake up. You know, keep repeating in your

450
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.319
head, and I guarantee it you
will wake up at that time. We

451
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.920
about having to set your alarm clock. Yeah, well yeah, I didn't

452
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.759
know about that. The time thing
that that totally makes sense. I mean,

453
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.559
it's it's so strange to thinking,
like how how much we could really

454
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.119
choose when it comes to that,
you know, yeah, that's wild.

455
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.759
And when you're saying that too,
that you know, the sleep produs comes

456
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.240
when you know you're feeling down and
stuff like that definitely lines up with a

457
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.240
lot of the time that I've I've
felt it recently as an adult, and

458
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.160
I don't know, And then it
depends on how where do you get I

459
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.319
don't know. Is there something that
feeds off fear and that's a really good

460
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.160
when sounds stressed out? Is that? Is that a really good time?

461
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.240
And that's is that what causes it? I don't know. That's kind of

462
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.000
kind of down the rabbit hole on
things, but it's just something that I

463
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:33.640
think about it every once in a
while. Yeah, the same. So

464
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.400
I thought by this over the years, and I've had prices mirror of my

465
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:42.319
whole life. But as I've got
older, the periods between the prices episodes

466
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.960
have kind of stretched out a little
bit. But when I was younger,

467
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.039
I would definitely get them quite regular. But I've never been a stressed out

468
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.720
person, especially not when I was
a kid, but I'd imagine the fear

469
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.279
was definitely there. But I think
when I've got older and I've gone through

470
00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:02.039
bouts of stress then that they have
been the most strongest sleep prolysis. So

471
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:07.039
I think there is there is a
connection, but I don't believe stress causes

472
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.039
it, but I believe it maybe
makes it stronger maybe, you know,

473
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.000
I'm not quite sure. Yeah.
Same when I was a kid, I

474
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.720
never like I was a pretty happy, go lucky kid, you know,

475
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.359
and so yeah, and it seems
like as an adult it's always been around

476
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.440
stressful times. But yeah, it's
still like people don't really know what it

477
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.759
is. So I mean it's I'm
open to suggestions and you know, still

478
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.279
trying to figure it out, and
you know, maybe maybe not even I'd

479
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:34.759
like to say, just not thinking
about it, kind of like when you

480
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.640
said like sleeping like suggesting things,
you know, So if you just don't

481
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.359
think about it, if it's out
of your mind, or even tell yourself

482
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.559
like I will not have sleep prowessies, you know, twenty times. But

483
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.279
I'm not thinking about it when I'm
stressed out. I'm out, Like I'm

484
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.400
stressed out. Oh I'm gonna have
sleute prowlysis. You know. It always

485
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.279
surprises me. And then when I
think about it the next day, Okay,

486
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.119
yeah, I guess I was kind
of stressed out. So yeah,

487
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:57.240
I don't know. It just seems
really random as far as that goes.

488
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.480
Yeah, I mean, our brains
can be very complex. But yeah,

489
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.559
there's a lot of things you can
do. And even if you have problems

490
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.599
sleeping, you know, there's this
thing where if you lie still, completely

491
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.559
still for fifteen minutes, your body
will fall to sleep. Yeah, totally,

492
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.279
Like you gotta like you can't.
You gotta make sure not to let

493
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:16.640
your body, you know, because
you're always going to be like, oh,

494
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.680
I'm itchy and this and that,
you know, but yeah, that's

495
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.480
my wife. My wife says,
stop moving because I'm constantly moving, turning

496
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:30.079
over onto my front, onto my
back and all that. But you're probably

497
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:31.039
like me. You know, when
you go to sleep, you're you're thinking

498
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.759
about a million different things at once. That could be the all part of

499
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:45.599
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500
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501
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502
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503
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504
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505
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506
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you get your podcasts. Let's go
back to Trinity. Now, Trinity the

507
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.519
campsite is that part of the North
Cascades National Park. I don't think so.

508
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.480
It's I guess it would just be
considered Wenatchee. It's actually it's off

509
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:40.319
the highway and through a town called
Plain, So Trinity goes town is the

510
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.680
dad end road there, but it's
um tuaa river road is kind of where

511
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:50.480
all the camping is. So that's
the campground. And actually so the camp

512
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.519
grun I believe I was that it
was could be Alpine Medals camp Ground,

513
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:58.880
Alpine Meadows pretty yep, and the
yeah and the Buck Creek trail. Yeah,

514
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.880
yeah, I see you are right, that is yes, Okay.

515
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.960
So it's in a kind of valley, okay, and you camping up there

516
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.599
with your your wife and your your
dog I've never met. Yeah, and

517
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.800
a few other couples. Yeah,
okay, so there were still members with

518
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.280
you. Sorry, yeah, they're
in separate tent um. Yeah, there

519
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.440
was two other couples, so there
was six people plus my dog. Okay,

520
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:22.920
did you have a particular big tent? The tent that I was in,

521
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.559
it was just it was a three
person but you know, might as

522
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.599
well be a two person. So
yeah, so it was just a small

523
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.119
tent, you know, and everyone
else had every other couple had their own

524
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.320
tents. Okay. And you woke
up because you know, you needed to

525
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.039
go pee, and then you you
opened the candidate the tent and you immediately

526
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.960
saw this light. Yes, yeah, And I mean it's it's so strange

527
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:46.840
to think that I wasn't like,
whoa, what is this? You know,

528
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:51.280
like what's going on? I was
just that was just part of I

529
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.639
don't know, it's almost I had
that singular goal and that couldn't get in

530
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:59.719
my way. Okay, So everything
was like a like a pink orange color,

531
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.000
yes, and as bright as daylight. And did the lights the pink

532
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.159
orange? Did it hurt your eyes
at all when you first opened a tent?

533
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:08.599
No, No, not that I
recall. That's a that's a good

534
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:13.880
question, though. I No,
I don't remember my eyes hurting like it

535
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.480
was is blinding or or even you
know, like with a whole adjusting,

536
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:20.760
you know, because you think that
that fast of a color change would cause

537
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.360
for some adjusting, but I don't. I don't remember feeling like it hurt

538
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.480
my eyes. No, okay,
And the sun wasn't on its way up

539
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.239
or anything like that. Definitely,
no. You know, with when when

540
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.840
you're with trees and mountains and stuff
like that, when the sun's coming up,

541
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.760
there'll always be like shadows of trees
and kind of a gradual thing,

542
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.559
you know. And no, no, And it definitely wasn't that because when

543
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.119
when we got up in the morning
and we were talking about it, it

544
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.920
was still it was still decently dark, not dark, but it was definitely

545
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.920
like early, you know, like
six in the morning. So yeah,

546
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.760
it wasn't It couldn't have been the
sun. And like you said, you

547
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:59.079
know you are you're in a valley
and so you're not going to get the

548
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:00.760
very early son. It must have
seemed a bit like a you know,

549
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.400
like a filter. Yeah, it's
so weird. It just seemed like it

550
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.920
was something in the way of what
I had to do. Nothing was processing

551
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.239
looking back, Yeah, like I
could see something like that, but it

552
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.280
was just with the whole unable to
walk correctly, and yeah, like feeling

553
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.559
like being on an escalator and that
color. I really can't explain it,

554
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.280
and I haven't. I told a
few people in hopes that maybe they got

555
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.679
some kind of explanation. I haven't
really done anything. And how far did

556
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.760
you venture away from a tent?
Probably twenty thirty feet really not that far,

557
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.519
and you don't think you're right for
very long? No? No,

558
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.599
I well, I don't know,
I would say no. But everything seemed

559
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.840
really off. So if I had
just as far as far as I remember,

560
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.519
it feels like it was like a
two minute orchel okay, other than

561
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.800
the light and you were walking a
bit funny, well fell off about it

562
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.880
at the time when it was happening, That's the thing. It didn't feel

563
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.360
off. It felt like this was
a normal thing. But as far as

564
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.320
like looking back, everything fell off. Just the thing that's so weird to

565
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.440
me is I felt I didn't feel
like it was weird at the time,

566
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.719
like it just felt just a normal
trip out of the tent to go pee.

567
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:13.119
But clearly it's not. And that's
like something that I do think about

568
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.119
often, or maybe not often,
but every once in a while, and

569
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.320
that why was that not weird?
Why was I not bothered by that?

570
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.760
You know why my wife had the
exact same experience. It's just, you

571
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:28.400
know, it just doesn't really line
up. And does your wife remember when

572
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.800
you came back to the tent.
We've compared notes on it because that was

573
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.960
something that I feel like, I
remember her coming back into the tent and

574
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.400
she feels like me coming back in
the tent. But looking back, I

575
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:45.000
don't know if it's if that was
an assumption or if I mean, it

576
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.840
was seven years ago, so I
don't I can't say for sure I remember

577
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.840
her, you know, laying down
too. I just remember being the last

578
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.239
thing that I remember was thinking,
I've never felt more tired in my life.

579
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.039
So yeah, I don't know.
I should reask her that if she

580
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.639
remembers that. And does she remember
leave in the tent at all? Yes,

581
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.039
Yeah, everything was like the exactly
the same for her as far as

582
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.840
that. She said she got up
really fast and she felt like she had

583
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.360
to go out of the tent to
go pee. I don't remember hearing her

584
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.079
out when I went out. I
actually, when I asked her later,

585
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.119
she told me, you know,
like she told me which direction she want

586
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.840
and it was different than my direction. Okay, so you you left the

587
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.599
tent to go find a bush and
then you returned. But as far as

588
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.760
you concerned, she was she was
asleep, yeah, or coming back into

589
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.840
the tent also, yeah, either
sleeping, I want to say, going

590
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.519
off instinct and just I feel but
I can't be certain for this, but

591
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.719
I feel like she was coming in
the same time, but like I can't

592
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.079
for sure. But then at the
same time, I can't remember. That's

593
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.719
just what That's what feels right to
me for some reason. But first of

594
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.480
all, you thought it was you
know, you'd had a dream. Yeah,

595
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:46.480
I mean that's what I chalked it
up to in the morning because it

596
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.079
was such a weird experience, But
it actually didn't feel like a dream.

597
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:52.920
But that's how kind of I worded
it. And that's kind of what I

598
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.239
was willing to go with in the
morning when I started telling her, because

599
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.000
it was just it just seems so
unbelievable both and then you know, and

600
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.239
then as but as she finished my
sentence and she kept telling me and we

601
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.719
had the same experience, then you
know, that kind of freaked us both

602
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.159
out. If it was just me
and she didn't have that, probably that

603
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.559
story would have just ended there,
because I would have just been like that

604
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.119
was really vivid memory that I'll probably
think about every once in a while,

605
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.880
but I'll have to just say it
was like a really vivid dream. But

606
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.639
the chances of both of you having
a near enough identical dream is very remote.

607
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.679
Yeah. Yeah, And she as
far as her and her experiences throughout

608
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.320
her life, she's that's the only
thing that's ever happened to her weird.

609
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.360
She doesn't have weird dreams or you
know, sleep problems. She's never dealt

610
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.679
with any of that, so she
definitely not anything in her realm there.

611
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.519
Can you have fires up the camp
fires? Yeah, at that time of

612
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.880
the year, we could have a
fire. Yeah. So it's like depending

613
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.519
on the season, you know,
they get a lot of her kind of

614
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.000
later in July usually they'll put a
band, but it all depends on how

615
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.519
how dry it was that year.
And do you remember what you had the

616
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.760
night before? Did you have like
a like a barbecue fish? Yeah,

617
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.679
so we we barbecued night that that
happened. Yeah, because I've been searching

618
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:06.199
too, you know, people having
you know, like seeing the light while

619
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.400
out in the woods. It'd be
nice to see like if someone's had the

620
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:12.480
same color, but just something like
that, but then also the whole like

621
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.599
unable to walk. You know,
I've kind of had a hard time finding

622
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.159
I found stories with similarities, but
I'm having a hard time finding this story

623
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:24.039
where somebody's had something exactly like mine
or pretty close to mine. So I

624
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.400
would love to like see or read
about something else similar, you know,

625
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.159
and maybe if someone's still round,
try to pick their brain and kind of

626
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.400
see what what they got out of
it, you know, I mean Germany.

627
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.519
When you go camping and you need, you need a place to go,

628
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.199
you generally find that place and you
keep you stick to that same place,

629
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.360
you know, because you know it's
safe, it's you know, you're

630
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.920
away from prying eyes. You know
you're not going to stumble on anyone.

631
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.079
So generally you stick to that place. But you both went two different directions,

632
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.039
my wife and I when we went
to the bathroom, Yeah, slightly,

633
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.880
yeah, slightly different directions. I
was heading closer to the water.

634
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.239
She was more like horizontal to the
tent, and I was like kind of

635
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.559
horizontally like but veering closer to the
water, so pretty close. I mean

636
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.119
maybe if I had to guess ten
feet away from each other, So I

637
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.480
walked about twenty feet out and probably
ten feet away from her, would be

638
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:14.920
my guess. Okay, and everyone
else that you with on this trip,

639
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.000
did you mention it to anyone?
Um? Okay, So that's something else

640
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.360
I've been kind of like thinking about, and I don't think we did.

641
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:23.679
And I actually one of my buddies
who was there, it's probably probably my

642
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.400
best friend. I just recently a
few months ago, brought this up to

643
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.280
him and he's like, you never
told me this. I was like,

644
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.880
what, how would I never tell
you? Because I don't know. I

645
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.320
tracked this up to the weirdest I'd
explained thing that's ever happened to me.

646
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.679
I don't know how I never mentioned
this wo and you were there. I

647
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.039
felt kind of weird because I was
telling them that, you know, I

648
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.360
was like, God, but I
was like, I wonder if he doesn't

649
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.320
believe me now because it's such a
weird, weird thing to say. Oh,

650
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.519
by the way, when you were
camping with me, this happened and

651
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.679
I never told you. But I
didn't tell him and the other couple.

652
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.639
I'm not sure, but I've told
people since, you know, try to

653
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.599
pick people's brains. What do you
think but yeah, that's really weird.

654
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:02.559
I didn't you think during breakfast I
would just be like, Hey, did

655
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.519
anyone you guys have any weird thing
happen? But I don't know, Like

656
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.360
I don't want to speculate too much, but it's kind of all you can

657
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.440
do sometimes and stuff like this.
And I've definitely heard people say that they've

658
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.679
had like saw lights or saw had
a really weird experience and they almost felt

659
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.199
like they couldn't or they didn't think
to tell people, or there's just all

660
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.239
these like weird reasons why they didn't
give out the information and all that,

661
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.400
and or like they had a memory
that they remember like a year later.

662
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.400
You know, it's kind of it's
almost like I revered it immediately. I

663
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.840
didn't think to tell anyone until way
after the fact. Yeah, because it

664
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.440
would have been interesting if anyone else
heard anything, or you know, even

665
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.920
had a dream or exited the tent
at some point during the night. Yeah.

666
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:49.639
And also I'm not one of those
people that I've kind of gotten over

667
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.679
the fact. I don't I don't
care. I'm a respectable person, but

668
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.559
I don't I don't care what people
if they believe me or not. Kind

669
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.639
of a you know stuff. So
I wouldn't be I'm not going to tell

670
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:00.159
somebody this because I think are going
to think I'm crazy, you know.

671
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.079
I mean obviously would just tell a
random person I think I'm crazy. My

672
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.639
friends, you know, I have
no problem just telling them. I'm pretty

673
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.599
open about that kind of stuff.
So, and this campsite, is it

674
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.079
a place you've been before? Ye
oh yeah. I've camped out off that

675
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.199
river quite a few times. But
as far as that's facos, I've probably

676
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.440
been there four, probably four or
five times, okay, when you're an

677
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.480
adult, when you're a kid adult, Yeah, yeah, Ever since early

678
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.480
twenties to mid thirties, I haven't
been back there since that happened. And

679
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.239
not because I'm super against it.
It just hasn't worked out. And how

680
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:36.079
many nice did you spend there on
that occasion? Two nights? Two nights,

681
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.719
yeah, Friday, Saturday to night. Yeah, left Sunday morning.

682
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.920
And your partner doesn't really really wanna
well, doesn't really talk about it much.

683
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.360
Yeah, And it's not like she
hates talking about it, she's just

684
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.840
kind of like it doesn't go anywhere. She feels. It's just, you

685
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.280
know, you talk about it and
then there's it doesn't really feel like there's

686
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.159
new information, or she's not really
interested in She's okay with not knowing.

687
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:00.840
I'm very curious, just a curious
general in person, and the fact that

688
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.440
this happened to me makes me even
more curious. So, you know,

689
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.039
I've been with that whole spiritual stuff
I was telling mentioning earlier. Kind of

690
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.320
just opened my eyes to what else
is out there too. So you know,

691
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.760
I never really listened to UFO or
paranormal podcasts or you know stories.

692
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.239
I mean when I was younger.
I mean, I thought it was kind

693
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.480
of interesting, but I didn't not
like I do now. I'm looking for

694
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.119
cases and similar stories and trying to
connect dots and all that. So when

695
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.719
you're saying about the spiritual side of
it, it didn't seem that, you

696
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.440
know, you went to the woods, you know, you smelt that lovely

697
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.599
fresh air and the wildlife and all
of a sudden you're one with nature.

698
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.719
Does seem that something happened, But
then again, you know, these a

699
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:43.039
lot of these woods and forest areas, the very old, they contain certain

700
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.639
energies and however you want to look
at it, that seemed to influence people

701
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.400
in many spiritual ways. Yeah.
So yeah, we don't like to speculate

702
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:52.880
too much on this show. You
know, we never really point to any

703
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.679
particular agenda or anything like that.
When people have experiences and they're a bit

704
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.880
odd and something seems off, you
know, they're not not the norm,

705
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.559
just try and look at it and
see if we can pull out anything anything

706
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.800
that is that is odd. But
definitely, you know, you definitely experience

707
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.400
something, you know, in trinity. We're not quite sure what. Yeah,

708
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.760
and for whatever, feel I feel
different since it happened. I mean

709
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.800
maybe the spiritual moment because nature and
so beauty and that's like something that I've

710
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.039
I've always felt drawn to nature and
does feelings of you know, being by

711
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.679
water and all that. Let's go
back to your spiders that you used to

712
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:30.639
see when you're a kid. Yeah, okay, Now I had a guest

713
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:37.159
on and she was a medium and
she does cleanse in and she would cleanse

714
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.559
something that she's more of a specialist
into. And they're called astral spiders,

715
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.039
Okay, spiders from you know,
from the in between or or the other

716
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.559
side, you know, whatever you
look at it. So it's just interesting.

717
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.480
You were saying about the spiders,
and you would say they would they

718
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.079
would be different sizes and in different
numbers. Yeah, so a few times

719
00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.320
it was just jumbo ones. But
for the most part, I mean,

720
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.480
I guess still kind of big for
spiders, maybe twice the size of like

721
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.239
a household spider, and a lot
of them. And you know, and

722
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:10.880
I haven't found anyone talking about seeing
lots of little ones. Mostly just people

723
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.320
talking about singular large spiders. Do
they ever really bov when I was a

724
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.679
kid? Oh yeah, well,
oh as far as like physically, no,

725
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.400
I always as even as a kid, I was I don't know why

726
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.760
I'm overthinking this. These have to
be fake because this doesn't happen. I

727
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:28.679
remember, this doesn't happen, and
you know, looking back, I don't

728
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.360
they can't be real. But there
was something in my head where I was

729
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.159
seeing them as real other than freaking
me out, you know, nothing,

730
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.519
nothing happened with them, but they
don't. You know, they don't really

731
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:43.079
both you now, no, and
I haven't had that as an adult.

732
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.920
That was that probably stopped when I
was maybe ten or something like that was

733
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.559
the latest. So ten years old, okay, And when you're in when

734
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.280
you were five, when you're in
preschool and you said your mother actually took

735
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:58.599
you out of the school. Yeah, okay, so like my mom's had

736
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.239
I think she's had some weird stuff
too, and I know my aunts i've

737
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.400
kind of talked about having weird stuff
as far as unexplained or almost like psychic

738
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.119
things. When I started asking my
mom because I was trying to get a

739
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.840
timeline on this, you know,
because I'm trying to like piece together some

740
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:19.159
things from my childhood, and it
was kind of like she started to kind

741
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.079
of tell me information and then she
kind of like clammed up. And then

742
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.079
I think she's in the matter of
if you don't know, it's better than

743
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.920
knowing. But I'm more even if
it's incredibly traumatic information because I feel like

744
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.679
there's something there and you know,
and just having being able to close that

745
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.440
as an forty year old adult,
I would like to just close that.

746
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:44.039
But she kind of clammed up.
She told me that I said something to

747
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.440
her the teacher said something that didn't
make sense, but she said that also

748
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.440
around the time I said something to
her that a five year old should not

749
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.440
know what that you know what it
is, and then but she wouldn't tell

750
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.239
me. So I who knows.
I mean, it could have been something

751
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.000
weird, you know, I don't, I have no idea, but it

752
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.000
was just it felt really feeling like
going in a bubble, like it felt

753
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.440
very real, felt like a real
experience as a kid. And came back

754
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.719
at it too. It feels like
that was real. Okay, all right,

755
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.079
that's unusual. And you've tried asking
recently, Yeah, well, you

756
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.880
know, and actually I was talking
to my sister about it. She has

757
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:22.519
told me that she also had some
kind of experience where we were when we

758
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.119
were camping, and something to do
with their inner tubing, and she felt

759
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.760
she left her body. I don't
know. I have heard and I don't

760
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.840
you mentioned earlier speculating all that,
but I've heard about people talking about certain

761
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.039
encounters or experiences running through the family. You know. I feel like my

762
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:43.639
mom has some stuff she can't explain
that she doesn't want to go dig into,

763
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.400
so I know she won't kind of
reveal things to me. But right,

764
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.079
what about your auntsie? Yeah,
this was at firsthand, this is

765
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.719
my sister. But because when we
were having this conversation, I told her

766
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.440
about, you know, that bubble, and then she told me about her

767
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:59.679
inner tube experience. She's said that
our aunts were together my mom, Mom

768
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.480
says years and they're all talking and
they were just saying that they've had just

769
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.920
weird psychic things and things that they
knew to be true, you know.

770
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.400
And I don't want to share I
guess the stories or like my sister's story

771
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.880
as far as that go, because
it's kind of hers to tell. But

772
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.760
there's some kind of personal stories of
just knowing the outcome or knowing. Actually

773
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.400
for me, there's been times when
I'm really, do not go over there,

774
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.960
or you know, do not go
to this, get off the next

775
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.320
exit, you know, and sometimes
it's it's I mean that's not often,

776
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.840
but you know, like when I
hear that voice, I always listen to

777
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.400
it. So and actually this is
pretty weird. But I took my grandkid

778
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.360
to a monster truck show and I
had a really really bad idea, like

779
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.159
or really bad feeling about it,
and I just kept feeling and feeling and

780
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.719
actually turned around and we didn't go. He was, you know, heartbroken,

781
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:49.599
but kid died like a loose part
at that monster truck show shot out

782
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.840
into the crowd and the kid died. And it's just I don't know It's

783
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.679
almost like what if we were sitting
right there. So you know, I

784
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.559
always say, you know, if
you have this feeling, you know,

785
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.960
you quit a gut feelings, And
yeah, I always say, if you

786
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.960
have this feeling, listen to it. Like you said, you know,

787
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.480
you had this weird feeling before you
went to this monster truck show which didn't

788
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.599
go and then this, you know, this tragedy happened, and yeah,

789
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:14.239
you could have been sitting right in
that area and hit by this flying shrapnel.

790
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.320
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah. And
you know you hear stories of people

791
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.440
when they had pretty bad stuff happened
to If a lot of these people say

792
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.800
that they had a really bad feeling
and they decided not to listen to that

793
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.800
exactly, it's like final destination stuff, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah,

794
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.320
for sure. Yes, it's all
listeners out there. If you have this

795
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.719
feeling, listen to it might just
save your life. That's wonderful, Casey,

796
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.760
interesting stuff. Yeah, thanks for
chatting with me. Yeah, no

797
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.119
problem, Yeah, thank you for
thank you for having me. I had

798
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.039
had a really good time and it
is yeah, really nice. Yeah.

799
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.280
I really like your podcast and I
think I love that you give people,

800
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.920
you know, a platform to talk
on because sometimes, you know, you

801
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.000
get when you get someone that has
some experiences and they got no one to

802
00:50:55.079 --> 00:51:00.199
talk to. Sometimes it's just just
saying it to somebody that does a lot,

803
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.440
you know. So I do appreciate
that it's important if people share these

804
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.599
accounts, because you would never hear
them anyway. You know, we wouldn't

805
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.079
hear these accounts. And every time
I released an episode, I'll get a

806
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:14.159
ton of emails from people saying I
experienced that well, I was there,

807
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.199
or I know exactly what that individual's
going through, And I guarantee I'll get

808
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.119
exactly the same with yours. Yeah, and if anyone, if anyone does

809
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.079
have like a similar, really similar
experience with that, with that camp and

810
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:29.480
were with the light and the movement, you know, that's wonderful. Casey

811
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:35.000
when oh you missed out the you
had downy potential witch encounter. Yeah,

812
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.599
and you know what I was actually
gonna say, I totally forgot. I

813
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:38.559
don't know if you want to like
edit it in or what, but I

814
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:42.360
could I could tell you that story. Yeah, I'm kind of kicking myself.

815
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.639
I haven't said this story out loud. You're gonna have to bear with,

816
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.280
Okay, So this happened well,
probably four years five years ago,

817
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:53.400
and I guess I'll kind of started
like the beginning this this will all kind

818
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:58.800
of like tie in. But U
so, I as a hobby. I

819
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:05.719
collect vinyl records and sometimes I sell
vinyl records and trade them and all that

820
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.199
and just listen. I listened to
records all the time. But I was

821
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:14.559
selling some records on a website called
discogs, and it's a good place to

822
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.440
yeah, to buy records. It's
all or just like look up any information

823
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.599
about artists and music and all of
that. It's all there. It's a

824
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.880
great site. Somebody was asking me
about a record I was selling, and

825
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.440
you know, I responded, and
if any person when I'm selling stuff on

826
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.519
there, it seems like they're really
really interested and would enjoy it more than

827
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.280
me. For a reason, I'll
always, even if they don't ask for

828
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.119
it, give them a good deal
or pay for shipping or something, you

829
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:44.079
know something, because I'm a fan
of them myself, and I'd rather have

830
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:45.840
someone else to be happy than trying
to make as much money as possible.

831
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.280
So this person, they sent it
to them. And fast forward a few

832
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:54.320
weeks later and I open my Instagram
and I get like a tag and it

833
00:52:54.440 --> 00:53:00.159
said thanks for the record, and
they took a picture of the record and

834
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.679
they tagged me in it, and
I thought that was weird. That's never

835
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:07.320
happened. But I was like,
well, I used my address and they

836
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.079
probably just looked up my name and
then saw that Instagram. And it's still

837
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.119
a little weird, but I guess
I could see that. You know,

838
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.039
if you really want to find someone, it's probably not that hard. And

839
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:22.480
this was a a female and she
was if I had to guess, like

840
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.840
this happened, knew me when I
was thirty six or thirty five, and

841
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:29.199
I would say she was probably maybe
a few years younger, so kind of

842
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.960
run that age. And I remember
thinking, like, I'm married and my

843
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.800
wife doesn't have anything to worry about, but I don't know. This person's

844
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.159
story is kind of weird, and
you know, I'm not going to really

845
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.840
respond. But she sent me a
message and but about music, and it

846
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.239
was something I was really interested in, so I responded and then we kind

847
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:50.679
of had some conversations about music for
a while, and you know, but

848
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:52.320
in the back of my mind,
I'm not doing anything bad, but it

849
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.440
just felt a little trying to explain, like, oh, I just sold

850
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.280
this record and they randomly looked me
up and found me. It just it

851
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.960
would sound kind weird, and so
you know, I just slowly kind of

852
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:07.440
like responded a little less and less
and so anyways, that so that's kind

853
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:13.239
of the premise of the beginning.
But so the job I was working at

854
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.320
that time was it was another park
and I was with another co worker,

855
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:24.760
I'll call him Billy, And summertime
we one of the parks that we had,

856
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.519
it's like a it was a golf
course that they turned into a park

857
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.760
like open space, and so it
was pretty new to us, and so

858
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:35.599
we're still trying to figure things out
and it was large. So how we

859
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:37.880
get around is we had like a
little um it's called the Gator, but

860
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.920
it's a little it's basically like an
off roading golf cart. We're kind of

861
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.360
getting eyes on the trail and he
was driving and I was in the passenger.

862
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:51.480
And in the summertime, I used
to get those really big jugs of

863
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.440
like two gallons things of water with
the handle on top, and I refill

864
00:54:55.480 --> 00:55:00.880
it throughout the week and then i'd
toss it and then I get another one

865
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:01.679
for the next week, you know
that way. It was just kind of

866
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:07.159
reason and I put in like,
um, some kind of like well they're

867
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.480
called meo. But it was like
a vitamin water kind of a thing.

868
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:13.920
So but it gave it color.
Was it turned the water like a not

869
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:15.880
red because there was so much there's
two gallons of water, but it was

870
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:21.559
it was definitely noticeable, very pink. So we're on this little golf cart

871
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.360
checking out the peak there and there's
only one trail to get there, and

872
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.679
we got to go the same way
back, and so we went up to

873
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.039
the top of the peak and then
by the and then one minute later we're

874
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.639
back on the trail and I noticed
my water bottle. So the time difference

875
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.800
is, you know, one one
minute, right, and it's early in

876
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.920
the morning, nobody's there, and
I see my water bottle and the color

877
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.280
looks different. And he and the
guy I was with, he was,

878
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.400
this is weird. How what you
know? It doesn't sound that weird.

879
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.320
I maybe I'm not explaining it well, but um, the color was completely

880
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:59.559
different. It was like a like
a white almost like creamy. It looked

881
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:01.639
different. There was like a ton
of bubbles in it, little to tiny

882
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:06.519
bubbles, and but it didn't have
bubbles. It was just its just the

883
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:07.360
color was really off. And he's
like, I was like, this is

884
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:09.320
my water bottle. And I was
like, yeah, there's the handle.

885
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.960
It looks just like this is the
kind that I buy and I throw away.

886
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.360
We would have saw it on the
way. This is my water bottle.

887
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.519
But what happened to the color?
And I'm just weirding myself out?

888
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.960
It somehow changed, I don't know, but we were both really weirded out

889
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.960
by this. I took a sip
of the water, which the few people

890
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.239
I've told this and my work,
because you know, the guy that I

891
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:31.480
was working with was telling everyone too. Once they hear that part, they're

892
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:35.360
out. They can't listen to any
more of the story. They think that's

893
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.480
really weird. And the only thing
they think is weird that is I drank

894
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.360
the water, had to bend his
and the color change. But they're like,

895
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.519
no, it's just weird that you
drank it. That's clearly not your

896
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.119
water bottle. But it was I
know for a fact. And so this

897
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.960
is the part that I haven't pulled
anyone. And when I took a sip

898
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.280
of that water, for some reason, and I haven't talked to that person

899
00:56:54.320 --> 00:57:00.800
I was telling you about in the
records for months since. Then her face

900
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:06.400
flashed through my head and if I
got a message that just said which and

901
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:08.639
I don't even I don't think about
witches or anything like that. And I

902
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:13.000
was what was that message? What
is this weird color water? It really

903
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:15.159
confused me, and I was like, really thinking about it, you know

904
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:19.360
what, what I gotta lose.
I'm just gonna just gonna ask her bluntly,

905
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:24.440
hey, are you a witch?
So I said that and she I'm

906
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:27.639
trying to remember the answer. It
was something along the lines of yes,

907
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:31.559
but I'm not practicing. Maybe one
day I'll tell you what I mean.

908
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.760
And you know, you think that
she would be like, why would you

909
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:37.800
ask me that? But never asked
anything new to fallow up And that was

910
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.880
the last time we talked. Then
I talked to that person. So anyways,

911
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.159
that's to me, it's a really
weird story. And I said,

912
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.480
I never said that out loud,
so I don't know how that came across,

913
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.400
but it was weird to me.
It's something I've heard a few times.

914
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.840
I see. So it seems that
you know you've got the attention of

915
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:02.519
someone which was evidently practicing, and
they don't always necessarily have to have access

916
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:07.760
to say like hair or clothing or
an ice majory. If it was this

917
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:14.119
individual that more unlighted actually very definitely
was practicing and she was certainly no novice.

918
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:15.679
So let's just say you like,
yeah, because that image in my

919
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.519
head of her face and that that
world, which is like not even in

920
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.599
my vocabulary. Well, I mean
I obviously in other words, which this

921
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.920
and which that? You know,
Oh my god, you know it doesn't

922
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.679
come up. But yeah, I
don't know. But then and I try

923
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.960
to look up to that meo water
stuff. Can this change color over time?

924
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.320
And I couldn't really find anything like
the pointed to that. And even

925
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.480
if it was, I mean,
we're talking one minute, two minutes max,

926
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:44.239
I'm sitting there. Yeah, I
mean, I've heard stories, especially

927
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.320
in Southeast Asia, and my wife
has told me stories about this where this

928
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:53.559
guy will be happily married and for
some reason, the attention he gets from

929
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:57.800
this this of a female that he
doesn't know, he doesn't can blah blah

930
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.039
blah. The next thing, he
leaves his wife and he boozing with this

931
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.760
ever woman and you know, it's
all black magic is exactly what it is.

932
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.760
So I think that the reason why
it didn't carry on is because you

933
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.679
kind of you said to her,
and that obviously scattered off was like,

934
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.920
well he already knows now, So
to be honest, if that and carried

935
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.679
on, that probably could have got
a lot worse. Yeah, strange,

936
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.159
Yeah, and I always head in
the back of my mind something fell off

937
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.000
with it, you know, And
it was so weird that she didn't say

938
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:27.920
why would you say that if someone's
asked me, hey, are you a

939
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.599
witch or a warlock or whatever?
You know, like what even if I

940
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.800
was, why would you ask that? So yeah, yeah, I said,

941
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.880
yeah, I've I've read Harry Potter. I love it, but no,

942
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.320
I'm not a witch. But yeah, you've got to be careful because

943
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:44.199
if someone focuses in on you,
you know, you don't know how far

944
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:45.559
they can go, and you,
you personally, won't know what's going on.

945
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.920
You'll think it's all completely normal.
But yeah, there's a you know,

946
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.760
no offense to anyone out there that
is practicing and dabbling in the occult,

947
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.239
But you've got to be You've got
to have your guard up sometimes.

948
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.159
Yeah, yeah, get and you
know, and I heard like stories of

949
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.960
people like eating eating things, you
know that somebody was trying to I guess

950
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.000
charm is that the word, and
you know it had to effect on them.

951
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.320
And yeah, I drank some of
it, you know, but I

952
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.519
was I didn't like drink the whole
thing. And when I when everyone heard

953
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.800
that, I drank this water bottle
like it's clearly not yours and that is

954
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:20.719
disgusting. So that's all all that
anyone focused on on that. But yeah,

955
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:22.039
I don't know, Yeah, I
don't know what would have been a

956
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:27.679
little different if I drank the whole
thing. Who knows, Well, yeah

957
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.599
you could well spell bound, you
know, you could have been spell bound

958
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.960
hext whatever, So yeah, you
never know how far it could have gone,

959
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.039
you know, not only think about
this is kind of a little side

960
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:40.559
on that. But the music we
were talking about was very obscure, and

961
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.719
some of the stuff that she was
mentioning or bands is pretty obscure stuff that

962
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:51.360
I that I'm really into that you
don't hear people talking about. So somebody

963
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:57.000
also knowledgeable on something pretty obscure in
the music world is pretty inviting to have

964
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.280
a conversation. So it's also like
now you say, oh that, it

965
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.760
makes me think, how did that
person know? Yeah, so kind of

966
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:06.480
weird. I sent a package.
They bought a record, and I sent

967
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.880
a package, so I knew where
they were and was it local? No,

968
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.920
it was uh no, it was
totally different states far, you know,

969
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.039
like fifteen hours away from me.
So there you go. Then they

970
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:20.679
did have contact with you, so
that you would have sent the package,

971
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.719
so you would have handled this package. Thanks for the record. You know,

972
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:27.039
they tagged me on Instagram and that's
why it's weird. But it's also

973
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.400
you could find people easily, so
they probably saw my name because I sent

974
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:31.639
the package, and you know,
it was kind of like, hey,

975
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.639
thanks for the package. Which,
yeah, they would have had something which

976
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:37.880
I would have had contact with you, so they had the package. You

977
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:39.800
probably licked the stamp. You probably
dropped a bit of hair and put in

978
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.239
the vinyl in the in the package, so you know, there you go.

979
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.039
Yeah, and you know what I
do like when I send stuff off

980
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.239
a lot of times I'll do like
a little it's kind of weird side hobby,

981
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.159
but I collect old national geographics from
like fifties and sixties and cut them

982
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.360
out and then make like little mini
collashes on you know, just art,

983
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.119
but also I'll send that on boxes
just to make it kind of fun,

984
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:01.599
you know, like a you know, an elephant with guy jumping through a

985
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:05.280
hula hoop or something. Yeah,
so it's just kind of work fun things.

986
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.920
So a little more time is spent
on putting stuff together than I think

987
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.920
the average good stuff. I don't
think I actually I have any more vinyl

988
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:16.320
left. I know we've got some
Beatles LPs like Rubber Soul and the White

989
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:21.119
Album and all that. I think
with the Beatles albums were very few of

990
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.559
them are in mint condition because they
were just there are records that were just

991
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.760
overplayed, played, played, played
during that time. Yeah, with older

992
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:32.320
record players with the needles are harsher
and then son writes their name, then

993
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:37.239
they borrow it and yeah. Yeah, but there's nothing like vinyl is there.

994
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:39.599
You know, there's something completely lost
now with the sound. You know,

995
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:42.800
when you used to pop a track
on, you know, and it

996
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.800
used to skip and it's good times. The sound I think it was different.

997
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.559
I think it was just I think
it was better then absolutely, And

998
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.039
in the past I've never been into
jazz until like the last few years and

999
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:58.079
I've been noticing like how great jazz
in particular sounds on vinyl. Absolutely,

1000
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.760
yeah, I like a bit of
jazz good stuff. See. Yeah,

1001
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.880
thanks. Yeah, you know,
I don't really talk in front of people,

1002
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:06.199
even though it's just me and you. There's something about, you know,

1003
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:07.880
knowing it's giving me on a podcast
that kind of maybe a little a

1004
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.639
little flustered at times, but you
do forget about that. You just you

1005
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.440
just think like you just you're just
telling me. But also you know,

1006
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.440
you gotta understand is that listen to
this show like yourself like minded? Yeah,

1007
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.440
and you know, just just hearing
other people going through some unexplained things,

1008
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:27.440
you know, and then having a
platform where you can tell your experience,

1009
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.960
you know, I mean it just
it feels better. And a lot

1010
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:31.239
of times you're not going to get
the answers. You might get like a

1011
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:36.679
little hints here and there, but
just just hearing other people knowing that there's

1012
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:38.840
some un explained stuff out there,
and it's almost like therapy, you know,

1013
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:42.880
just kind of saying it out loud. Casey, I really appreciate you

1014
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.360
coming on and sharing that for our
listeners. Yeah, thank you, it's

1015
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:46.559
been great. Have a good one. Been great talking to you. You

1016
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:50.400
enjoy the rest of your day,
all right, and we will talk soon.

1017
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:52.880
Okay, sounds good. Thank you, Casey, by for now.

1018
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:57.480
All right. That's all for this
episode. Keep updated and connected with the

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show on Twitter, Facebook, and
Instagram. And if you have an encounter

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that you'd like to share on the
podcast, you can email me at UFO

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Chronicles at gmail dot com, or
you can reach out to me via the

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contact page on my website at UFO
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank

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you to Casey for sharing tonight,
and thank you all for listening. I

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will be back next week. Till
then, stay safe and keep watching the

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skies. Goodbye.