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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willsher host, and we

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have a great guest tonight. I
listened to a past interview of his.

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He and I agree on a lot
of things. I'm glad to have him

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aboard his name, he's known by
Captain Ron Ron Jennix. He's coming right

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up in just a minute. And
our blog this week from Charles Lear is

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a nineteen seventy seven UFO CONTACTE case, a very interesting thing, and this

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one actually had a cycloptic aliens,
so it's very interesting. So check that

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out. Charles let me know that
his book is out. It's going to

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be out. He's going to be
on as a guest, coming up sometime

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in the month of June. And
our guest today is uh is a half

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owner of Contact in the Desert.
He's been around the paranormal and UFO topic

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for a good while and I think
you'll find him entertaining. And here he

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is, Captain Ron. Welcome.
Hey, Martin. I'll tell you why.

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Just when you think you've heard everything, which feels like we have psycloptic

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alien, I have not ever heard
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I had a rock band though Cycloptic
alien. Oh my god, it'll be

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out tomorrow. So I had I
was interviewing you know, Nick Pope recently

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in the Ozark at the Ozark Conference, and he said, you know a

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lot of these. He believes that
perhaps, you know, the by focal

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vision bipedal is it works and may
because it works, it works for almost

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all our species that we have,
that maybe that's what will happen in you

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know, other developments of whatever.
You never know, never know what works.

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That's right. There's so many variables
I said that. I mean,

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they could have a binary star system
that would change things. They may or

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may not have a moon that would
change things. There's so many different things

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that could change the developing species of
any kind. But it was fascinating.

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So you have the tiger by the
tail. You're now a co owner of

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Contact in the Desert, which is
a major event. I saw that.

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I saw the pictures of all the
speakers and everything, and how many speakers

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out of their total we have seventy
three speakers if you can believe that.

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God, wow, and that's over
five days. Yeah, go into tenth

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anniversary. That is sorted. Yeah, So I think you know, on

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and off during this conversation. We'll
get in to that, you know,

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and and you know what we can
look forward to and all that when that

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that's going to happen. But I
want to know, uh something about you,

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because uh, you know, everyone
has a story and what sparked their

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interest in this topic, and I
want to know what it was with you.

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Very boring, same as I hear
from a lot of speakers. You

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know, I h as a kid, I was never really interested in this

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stuff, or I don't recall,
but uh, you know, in college

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I read the the two seminal books
in my Mind, which are Communion by

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Streamer and Eric Van Danigan's Traits of
the Gods, of course, which are

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highly influential books that a lot of
the speakers I've interviewed often point to as

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the point that got them ignited into
this topic. And it's no different for

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me. And of course Art Bell
was very prominent, and you know,

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I just kind of fell in love
with listening to that. And you know,

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it's one of these topics the more
you get involved in, the more

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you know about it, the more
interesting it is, the deeper you delve

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into it. And I just feel, you know, very drawn to it.

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I feel like there's a lot more
here that requires more study, more

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more eyeballs, and more attention.
And I'm frustrated about how many people just

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dismiss this topic out of hand.
I really feel it it's deserving of a

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lot more scrutiny. Oh I agree. And you know what I heard you

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say something which I kind of feel
is exactly the same way, and that

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is either people really be into it
or people could care less, you know

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I mean. And I also know
people. I know this one person in

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particular, I've talked about him once
or twice on my show who I was

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sharing an office with. Now he's
on the Antiques Roadshow, and so you

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know, he's well known. And
so he told me about a siding he

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had in college that was just unbelievable. It was a box shaped Ufo Flew

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and Amherst in between the two towers, and it was four stories down below

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them, and they were all staring
out the window. They said, like

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five or six guys, we're all
staring out the window, and there was

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lights blinking on all around it and
it was just sitting there and all of

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a sudden, it shot off toward
the mountains and they heard like an afterburner

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and a jet heading toward it.
It burst into five lights, and then

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the five lights had this sequential flashing
back and forth, and then as as

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a formation, the light shot off
before the jet could get there. And

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I said to him, Oh my
god, I can't believe it. I

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said, how did that change your
life? And he said, I could

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care less. I mean I could
care less. Come on, man,

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I see this ore to me.
I know, at their own paradigm and

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their own interest level or whatever.
Yeah, never gave it another thought,

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you know, which it's amazing to
me. It is to me. That's

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why I bring it up as an
example. Already had an experience or had

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a sighting, or had something that
that ignited their interest. Right, Yeah,

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yeah, it did for me,
But I had I had sort of

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a passing interest, you know.
I mean but kind of sounds kind of

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like you you know, I read
a couple of books, and you know,

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but I didn't really pay that much
attention. I remember when the alien

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autopsy, which spoiler alert it's a
fake, when that came out in the

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nineteen nineties, I had to catch
it, you know, on the news,

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and it's like, oh wow,
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on a house. I was had
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business that took a lot of care. So I had all these things going

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on and it was like okay,
you know, and never really looked back

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into it, you know. So
I understand how people, you know,

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people have to pay their bills,
they have to you know, do their

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daily gig. Yeah. I think
that's a problem too, even with you

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know, the Congress and everything right
now. Look, we've got multiple wars

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going on, We've got a potential
situation in Taiwan. It's hard to talk

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about UFOs right now, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's

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it is hard. It must be
hard for you know, I mean the

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people that are you know, involved
in that, in our government, that

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are are taking it seriously. It's
it's a hard one, I'm sure for

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them to get any you know,
any feedback with everything that's going on right

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now. Agreed. Yeah, Yeah, So you you read a couple of

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books and then you had an interest, but you've also done a number of

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things. You've done podcasts all the
way back you since you started in twenty

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fourteen, and a few other things. You have what is this this program

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you have where you you did like
a virtual conference. Yeah, when what

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is that COVID happened and we couldn't
go to Contact in the Desert. I've

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always been a big fan of Contact
in the Desert, and when that couldn't

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happen, I along with a partner
of mine, we formed something called the

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Observation Deck and it was a live
online It was like kind of like you

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know, you had an avatar,
so it's a kind of like a virtual

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reality thing where you would go into
this world and it was basically like Contact

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in the Desert where you had these
different stages and you could walk around with

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your little avatar and it was kind
of like this computer where you know,

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like they call it now on like
Meta has it now. You know.

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This was right in at you know, the end of twenty twenty one.

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Beginning of twenty one we started that
and we would kind of hold one day

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conferences, like we had Travis Walton
on there and we brought all his guys

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on there and his brother and the
first people that saw and we basically held

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like a mini little live virtual kind
difference and it was great and I thought,

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you know, really could could go
somewhere and it was a great you

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know, stop gap for us to
fill in for missing live events, and

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it just kind of got too expensive
and too much and it went away.

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But it was a great idea at
the time and it was a lot of

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fun. And now we get to
do it live again. It's nothing like

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doing it live. Oh absolutely.
I remember, you know, talking to

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Karen Briart doing she tried to do
the virtual event and it was it is

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costly. It doesn't make it doesn't
make the sense that it does not for

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a live and people, you know, I mean, you know, as

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well as I do. The fun
in the halls and the at dinner and

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afterwards is just so enlightening compared to
you can't get that when you're doing anything

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virtual. Absolutely absolutely, During that
little time during COVID, it was kind

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of our world. You know,
yeah, we had to, we had

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to, but but yeah, now, I mean, we're going to offer

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actually streaming this year for the first
time ever at Contact. We're going to

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live stream the main room, which
is going to have all the panels in

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it, so people, if you
can't make it there, you can still

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get a chance to experience it,
which is great, but it's not like

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being there, you know, being
there you really do get that interact in

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action with the people and the speakers
and just something magical about it, you

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know, right right, And you
know, whenever there's any type of conference

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or anything like that, people love
to explore an area. You know.

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That's another thing. You know,
out that way, it's beautiful out that

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way, and you know it's a
nice time of year out there as well.

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And I know that's what I do
rock and Integratron and we have tours

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that go out there. Oh wow, there's great things. Yeah. Absolutely.

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We even take a Mark d' antonio
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and they're gonna go away where there's
no light pollution because it's the desert.

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Yeah, I'm going to talk about
the sky and things. Is gonna be

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amazing. Yeah. I got to
hang out with him quite a bit.

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We're good friends, and we went. Yeah, he's a wonderful guy.

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We went to uh. Our producer
Donna and I and him went to the

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most haunted house, I mean haunted
hotel in the in the US. It's

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the Preston Hotel in uh Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Okay, well it's calling

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itself the most Haunted. Yeah,
I think a lot of them do,

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to be honest, probably I think
I've gone about four of those. Yeah,

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I know the Mount Washington Hotel.
That's another one that, yeah,

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supposedly on it, but anyway,
that was Shining one, the one from

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the film The Shine. Oh yeah, yeah, I can't think of the

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name of that, but yeah,
Colorado I think it is. But yeah,

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well that that's great, you know. I mean one of the things,

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you know, I happen to have
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what maybe do you know, go
into having a podcast about it because I

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knew there was had to be something
to it, and it's not. It's

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not whether you believe or not,
because there's no such thing as believing something

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that's already there. You know,
we know that it's what it is.

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That's the mystery that I like,
you know exactly, that's well put,

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Martin. I mean a lot of
people that I've talked to, they never

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would say I'm a believer or whatever. They know these things to be true.

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But we're dealing with an unknown,
as I like to say. I'm

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sure you've heard me say that before. It's an unknown. So what is

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it that we're dealing with? You
know, so my goal is always to

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get us closer to that what is
happening. Let's see if we can look

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at the data and compare people's stories
and see if we can't, you know,

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decipher what what is happening? What
what could this be? Right?

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Right? And one of the things
I like doing about that, this I

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like doing the show is talking to
different people and getting their ideas. But

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you know, I always tend to
run away from anyone that says they absolutely

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know what's going on. And I've
had people approach me to be guests on

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my show and I let them know
that Unfortunately, you know, I mean,

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I kind of steer away from that
type of thing because I really don't

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think that anyone knows, and I
personally don't think that our government totally knows.

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I think, I agree they might
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I don't think they have the whole
picture. You're right, Martin, You

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and I do see this the same
exact way. It's exactly how I feel.

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The more someone is so certain about
what they know, I boy,

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it just it's really hard for me
to handle that. How do you how

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would you possibly know that? You
could tell me your first hand account of

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what happened to you. But the
way they know this is the alien and

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this is that one, and this
is that it just seems like we're dealing

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with such a such an unknown thing
to our normal world that it's hard to

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pin that down. I think it's
good to be open minded about and see

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what we can't decipher, but it's
hard to know what's really happening. And

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you're right, that's a well way
to put it, too, is the

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government probably does know much more than
we do, but that doesn't mean they

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know the answer either. I think
this is something potentially so much bigger that

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we're not even able to grasp it, right, right, Yeah, we

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may not even even if we knew
what it was, We may not understand.

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Do you hear people talk about the
jungle theory. No, I love

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this. This is a good analogy
people say like that. The jungle theory

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is we have two scientists walking through
the jungle in Africa and they come across

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this giant ant hill and there's a
million ants there, and our scientists have

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a jar and they reach down and
they pluck up seven of them and they

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put them in a jar. They
might even put a number on the back

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or tag them, and then they
put them back and the rest of the

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ynts never even knew that the scientists
were there, and the seven ants didn't

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know what happened to them, and
they go back, and it's like we

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could be dealing with something so beyond
our level of development that it may be

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you know, similar to that,
right right. I just wanted to say

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this before I forget. So this
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and that is we have Jonathan Wagen. There will be his third interview

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about his encounter in Peru, and
he is going to be joined by Michael

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Horrera, who had a very similar
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decade or so apart. The two
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in studio. I'm going to be
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have him in studio with me and
then Mike. So I just wanted to

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point that out for coming up in
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it. There you go, two
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what it takes to become a marine. It's very difficult. And how do

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you dismiss these guys out of hand? I don't I I think it's they've

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earned earned my respect to listen to
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you know, they became a marine. It's like I always say about all

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these guys. Obby Loebe got to
where he is and John Mack got to

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where he is, and and these
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they just talk about this topic,
suddenly they're they're they're not worthy of listening

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to, and it drives me crazy. That's right about John Mack. I

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can't remember who it was. I
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I remember he said that he was
a lawyer from uh, well, from

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the law school of Harvard, and
said, Jean, who is it?

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there now. I just can't think
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uh, Devils and angels, yeah, aliens know. That's when they were

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putting John to the task there and
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you know. But again, I
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I think a lot of this phenomenon
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not the exact same thing. Yet
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thing to them or unique experience,
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Their people are going to call it
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their religious feelings, an alien,
a time traveler, you know, ferries

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from the trees used to be the
thing rant Whitley Straemer's book, you know,

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and then and then it's the exact
same account, and it's eighty years

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later. Now it's a spaceman because
it's it's that's the lens that those people

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have. Yeah. So I do
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phenomenon could be very much related.
We just don't know how to describe it.

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to to assign these things to it. Yeah, yeah, I think we

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we always have as a species,
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all the things that we I mean, think about it. When the eclipse

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happened like we had recently. How
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people are thinking that gods were mad
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No, the sun came back.
Well we'll do it again next time,

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right, you know, right type
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it went on yeah right yeah yeah, so but but uh, what

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keeps you going? I mean to
me, it's the curiosity of you know,

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what you said you'd like to know
in your lifetime. I think I

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heard you say. Yes. That's
what keeps me going, is I feel

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like it's been really exciting. In
fact, the last few days we've had

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a lot of exciting things in this
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still, to me, moving very
glacially. They leak out a little tiny

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thing or one little guy, it's
like, come on, let's move this

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forward. Let's try to get closer
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clock's ticking and I want to know. So's That's kind of what drives me

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is I really would like to get
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make in archaeology, these discoveries they
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I mean, all of these things
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than the day to day three D
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know, auto repair, whatever,
whatever it may be. Just to me,

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I'd like to delve into these things
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to the truth. And you know, speaking of artificial intelligence. You and

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I were talking ahead of the show, and I've said to you, you

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agreed that I don't think we can
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when it comes to videos to pictures. I mean, how how can we?

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I mean unless there was witnesses during
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and enough credible witnesses or something like
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is the credibility of the witnesses,
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helps me a lot too. I
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then you couldn't trust a photograph.
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You can text to AI. You
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I keep talking about this. I
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and it made a cookie commercial form
and it was like cookies coming out of

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the oven and kids eating cookies and
it was it looked like a professional cookie

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commercial. And I was like,
wow, so you can imagine what's coming.

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It's going to be alien abduction scene
UFO in the sky. Now,

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how do you trust it? How
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hard, you know, I almost
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Now it's going to be even harder
to prove. Now we have cameras,

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Now we have the ability to capture
some evidence, and they're still not

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going to believe it because you could
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difficult arena that we're dealing with here, That's right. And I saw it.

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I think it was yesterday on x
formerly Twitter that someone had like outside

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of the window of their commercial airliner
they were flying in there was a tic

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tac doing all these maneuvers and it
said, no, way, that's pretty

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nice. But yeah, right,
and you know it was a UFO site

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that put it up there too,
some UFO site on Facebook, And I

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thought, no, I'm not going
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in this and we don't even give it

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any credence. You know, Jason
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this could be really exciting. This
this is a first hand witness.

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David Grosh was always saying that he
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He heard this guy say, he
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a firsthand direct witness with a direct
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Now, now we got to find
out if if if he's legit, what

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is his real story? You know
that it seems like he does at least

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check out that he was in the
military and this and that. But you

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know, it's going to take a
lot more flushing up to to get through

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to him. You know. Well, I'll tell you I need to stay

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kind of away from this particular topic
only because a friend of mine's involved.

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But I am. I'm really lary
of the whole situation. That's all.

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That's all I want to say.
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example. There you go. Even
you were leary of the video out the

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window. Yeah, we're leary of
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leary of it, and we're knee
deep in this community. Imagine people outside

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this community. They're leary of the
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Then you see something new and they
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Yeah. And there's a parallel in
what I've done for years, and

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that's dealt with people collecting, you
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And I've just seen it happen.
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about collecting, let's just say I'm
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bank. We'll just say that,
well, they have some really really good

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fakes, and people will pay really
good money for something that costs ten dollars

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and was actually literally put in horse
maneuver for two years and now it looks

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like antique and that's really how they
age. That's when we did. But

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they're going to say, Okay,
I used to collect. I no longer

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want anything to do with these friggin
antique. People are trying to, you

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know, rip me off, and
there's no way I'm going to collect anymore.

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I'm gone. And that's kind of
how I feel. It's the same

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way when someone is looking into this
topic and they get all excited about and

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all of a sudden they find out
what they're really excited about is fake.

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misinformation, disinformation, hoaxes, you
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a little tired of the whole community. And then and then there's like infighting

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amongst our community. It's really right
now is a big time right now,

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The whole duality of all of these things,

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the politics and and and even like
in our community, these people arguing

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different things, we're all on the
same side here, we're all trying to

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get to the truth. And you
know, I think these different opinions and

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these different ideas are good to share
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not, I don't. I can't
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just I just can't stand it.
Yeah, yeah, you know, if

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if if we could, if we
could just trust that people would be truthful

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with what they know, you know
what I mean. If, But but

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we're human, you know, and
it's it's awful hard to trust another human

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and yeah, you know. So, yeah, there's a lot of infighting

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right now. The good thing is
the math is on our side because if

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there's I don't think there's a million
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one, as they say, you
know, if we if one of these

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things is legit, then then then
then there is an ET presence and that's

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real, you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, or whatever that

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may be. If it's not ET, it's interdimensional, it's time, whatever

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it may be. But if anyone's
experience is real, then all all of

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this is it's true. So you
know, it's hard to not get discouraged

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by the fakes and everything, but
I do think there's some legitimate stuff out

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there, and it all certainly warrants
more scientific investigation. That's right. And

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I've been really glad since you know, twenty seventeen where scientists are daring to

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you know, put their toe in
the water and you know, to look

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into this topic a little bit and
you know, pretty strong now compared to

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the way it was you know prior. I mean you mentioned Navi Low.

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That's a really good example right there, and you know, someone with his

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stature is actually taking this thing serious. And I love it to more of

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that. Yeah, we need more
of that. Unfortunately, we've lost a

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lot of people as they pass away, Stanton Friedman and whatnot, these these

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scientists guys, and that's a shame
because we do need more credible, strong

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people in this community to to move
this down the field. I think that's

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right, that's right. And yeah, Stanton was a really good example and

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really nice man. Uh. I
miss him. I miss hearing him,

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you know, chewing someone out,
you know. Yeah, my favorite Stanton

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Freeman quote is don't bother me with
the facts my mind. Yeah, I

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love it. Yeah, yeah,
that's so funny. I underline some UFO

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craft, not all. Yeah,
I'm not interested in though, just the

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sum Yeah, he's right, he's
right, Yeah, yep. And as

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far as the let's go a little
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with uh it's five days and it
starts at the end of end of May,

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right, yeah, Thursday of May
thirtieth through uh Monday, June third,

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mm hmm. And yeah, so
how does it how does it start

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off? And what kind of things
do you have chaos and carnival atmosphere.

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I mean, we kick it off
on Thursday. We're doing one oh ones

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this year, another new thing at
contact where people that are new to this

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community or have a curiosity about it. We have four of our speakers each

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doing a one hour one oh one
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on AI, one on government disclosure, one on UFOs, and you know

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it's Paul Heineck doing UFOs and Steven
Basset's disclosure. So it's top guys that

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really know this stuff. So if
you're sort of new to the community,

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it's a great place to sort of
get started. And then as we go

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into the weekend, you know,
it's all day, every day we have

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you know, at any given time
there's basically seven choices of stages to go

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to to watch somebody speak, which
is really great, amazing. How many

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people do you expect to show up
this year? Somewhere between two and three

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thousand's. That's that's pretty amazing.
It's great, it's great, And like

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I said, there's these ancillary events
that go on during it, like the

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bus trip and Mark d' antonio I
was telling you, And so there's something

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for everyone basically, and you know
there's a diversity of topics. Yes we're

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UFO centric, but you know we
we delve into we like to ever towe

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in the water of a lot of
these paranormal things, you know, from

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basically the way people talk. Now, I love the phrasing of non human

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intelligence. Are of course going to
have a panel on that. So non

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human intelligence. People that take d
MT have these experiences with some form of

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intelligence. They claim, yes,
is that alien? Is that? I

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don't know what that, but that's
a non human intelligence. We're talking about

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people that have had experiences talking to
people who've passed away. Now, is

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that that's an that's not human?
Obviously? They're they're they're deceased. So

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there's non human intelligence. AI is
advancing, we're about to get sentient,

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and at what point are we talking
to non human intelligence there? So there's

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a lot of different things, and
there's time travel and other forms of communication

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with non human intelligences and it's all
fascinating, that's right. And the is

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Paul Heinik leading the DMT, Well, he'll be on that panel and that

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will be his position. Yes,
yeah, because I know that he told

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me that he you know, he's
tried these different things and has had these

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experiences. And I actually have a
friend in the who I work with in

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the appraisal world of art and antiques
that actually claims so that she had something

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like that happen and she had,
you know, no real interest in any

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of this, but she you know, confided to me, she said,

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I feel like it was actually an
alien that connected. You know. It's

409
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:08.000
me interesting because she chose the word
alien because you know that's you know,

410
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.480
well, this year we're gonna do
something different. We're gonna actually put d

411
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.440
MT into the punch bowl and everybody
coming. He just it, We're not

412
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.359
going to tell anyone And then what
unfold. You don't know how many more

413
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.720
people you just got to come to
the see that our ticket sales just double.

414
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.119
That's unbelievable. Yeah. So it's
really fun to delve into these things

415
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:33.200
and also the ancient archaeology and there's
some new discoveries there. And we have

416
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.400
Roberty Grant coming. Do you know
who that is? No? I don't,

417
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.000
But do you have you have Graham
Hancock? Is he? He was

418
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:42.799
here last year. He was our
keynome last year. Okay, yeah,

419
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.599
no, who tell me about this
Roberty Grant. This guy is absolutely amazing.

420
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.720
He's going to be talking about Just
a few months ago. He was

421
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:59.960
in Egypt and he stayed inside the
King's chamber of the Great Pyramid. He

422
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.799
had special permission to do this,
wow, and he brought in super high

423
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:09.960
tech cameras and lighter and scanned the
walls. This has never been done before.

424
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.000
And then he took it home and
they looked at him the computer and

425
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.160
then they zoomed in, you know, with with high reds, and they

426
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:22.920
were able to see these etchings on
the wall. So they started filming filling

427
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:31.039
them in and he realized that these
were the constellations and they were etched into

428
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:37.279
the stone, you know, thousands
of years ago and they were they were

429
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.119
lined up all the way around,
and there's there's tons of other stuff about

430
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.920
it, but that alone, to
me is Wow, We've never known that

431
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:52.759
is that's him? Yeah, Wow, absolutely amazing and that's a must see

432
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:59.640
in my book. Trust me that
that that guy is fascinating. The fact

433
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:04.559
that he's made that discovery is unbelievable. I we didn't know about this.

434
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.559
We've we've been in that thing for
thousands of years and we never discovered that.

435
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:14.880
So it's really really fascinating. And
I love hearing these new new discoveries

436
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.720
firsthand from the guy that made them, you know, M yeah, and

437
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.039
then you know we're going to do
uh. I mean this is this is

438
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:27.400
this poster is perfect. It's you
know, the ancient past to the future.

439
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.759
I mean that is what Contact in
the Desert is about. You know,

440
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:36.000
we really try to cover the whole
gamut of it and really exciting.

441
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:39.559
I think we're gonna have a Legends
panel this year where we pay tribute to

442
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:45.839
some of these legends that that really
have advanced this topic, like Whitley Strieber,

443
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:52.279
Travis Walton, uh, George Nori
Russell targ is going to be there.

444
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.279
Linda Moulten howe. Uh, pretty
cool to have a legends panel.

445
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.359
I think it's it's time we kind
of Richard will be on that panel.

446
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:07.240
These guys are legends that have really
advanced our cause, and I want to

447
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:13.119
pay tribute to them and and keep
them going and hopefully inspire others to follow.

448
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.880
Yeah, that's you know, that's
a good point because you know,

449
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:23.679
you go to these and uh,
it's not like there's a lot of young

450
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.400
people, and you know, young
people coming up. There is more,

451
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.239
i would say, in the last
couple of years than I've seen since.

452
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.039
Oh yeah, now it's definitely more
that way. Last year we had a

453
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.800
lot more younger people. It's wonderful. Yeah, And I love the fact

454
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.159
and those are the people that you
know, really need to you know,

455
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.840
carry on. And a lot of
times in conferences I noticed there was not

456
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.679
a lot of young people. I
did at the Ozarks, I met a

457
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.599
German lady, a young lady that
flew over from Germany to go to that

458
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.360
conference, you know, and I
thought that was brilliant, you know what

459
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.960
I mean. Yeah, we have
a lot of those that surprised me too.

460
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.599
People come from Belgium and from how
do you even know about this?

461
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.639
I can't get people in LA to
know about it. You came from Belgium.

462
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.880
It's just interesting and it's fascinating and
it's exciting to me that they made

463
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.320
that journey, and I think it's
terrific. Yeah, yeah, excellent.

464
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:28.000
Yeah, So this is going to
be the first year that you actually are

465
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.159
the co owner of this contact in
the jest, Yeah, Gordon and I

466
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:36.920
made the purchase last year, but
we kind of did it, you know,

467
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.079
in conjunction with the previous ownership last
year, and then now we're on

468
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:45.840
our own this year. So I
hope you took good notes. We did.

469
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.239
We did. It's a lot,
but we've got just the most incredible

470
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:55.559
team and we all feel compelled and
drawn to do this. And for somebody

471
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.199
like myself who's very skeptical about a
lot of these things, we have more

472
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:07.119
synchronicities that happened in our little world
that I just can't even believe and really

473
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.320
just tells me we're really on the
right path and we've got the right people,

474
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:15.239
and we feel really good about this. So we just keep pouring everything

475
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.960
we have right into this event.
I feel like I almost want to talk

476
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:27.880
about synchronosities myself because I'm kind of
reluctant by my producer and I have these

477
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.159
synchronicities unbelievable since we got together,
Isn't it amazing, To the point that

478
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.519
I said this morning, I have
to document this stuff just because we're talking

479
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.360
about it. I will share a
quick synchronosity that happened yesterday. Last night,

480
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.360
I was talking to one of the
people that work on our staff.

481
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.320
We were talking about the ConA.
The ConA blue thing came out. You've

482
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:55.039
heard about that, I'm sure,
And I was saying that we had heard

483
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:02.840
that it's possible that that ConA stands
for four different crash retrievals. Kingman Asening,

484
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.079
I think is the name Nellis and
Aztech, So those are the four

485
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:13.480
KO and A. And we said, well, that's interesting. And I

486
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.440
said, well, Kingman, you
know I knew that guy, Harry Drew.

487
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.039
And she's like, oh, really, yeah, Harry Drew. That's

488
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.199
interesting. I said, yeah,
I knew him. I've interviewed him.

489
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:28.280
He's a good guy. And we
hang up the phone and and and the

490
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:35.079
girl that does my social media happened
to send me a text from somebody else

491
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:45.039
on another Twitter handle who posted an
interview of me interviewing Harry. She had

492
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:50.679
no idea about the KNA thing,
and they just intently stumbled across that and

493
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.199
saw, hey, you might like
this. It's an interview you did five

494
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:58.039
years ago. I'm serious, cause
I just had this conversation five minutes ago

495
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.880
about Harry Drew, a name that
hasn't come up in five years, and

496
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.119
here within five minutes, and she
just happens to quincidentally send me that text,

497
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.039
and we were just like, now, come on, and I had

498
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.840
to explained to her the whole story, none of that. She had no

499
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.639
idea about the KNA thing. That's
kind of what I'm talking about, something,

500
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:22.800
you know, things similar to that
that it just seems like it's happening

501
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.719
over and over and over. It
just can't be chance. It can't be

502
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.480
random. I don't believe that it
is. It's so bizarre. And then

503
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:37.239
yeah, you know, it's it's
just constantly. So I'm gonna just ask.

504
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:45.639
I think we could take calls.
Hopefully we have Chanel over there at

505
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:52.599
kg R A radio, and let's
see hopefully she'll respond if if she's she's

506
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:54.960
listening, hopefully if you can wake
up. She may have fallen asleep.

507
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.719
That happened true a lot when I
speak, So that could very well be.

508
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.280
Yep, she's listening. I think
that might it just won't grow up.

509
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.239
I see the call. Yeah,
she's she's booting the computer for that.

510
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.440
So yeah, we can take calls
and just it's the computer's booting.

511
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.119
The numbers up on the screen eight
five five four seven two five four eight

512
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:21.440
three, And yeah, I have
a you know, I have a lot

513
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.840
of audio listeners. You know,
YouTube's a very small part of you know,

514
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.559
the listeners to the show. But
you know, we do get up

515
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.119
in the one hundred and fifteen hundred
and sixty thousand, you know downloads on

516
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:38.920
our audio and which is which is
is great. But I have a number

517
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.679
of people will write me over the
years, well I hope you don't take

518
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.239
offense to it, but you know, your voice puts me to sleep every

519
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.480
every night, hilarious. So hey, as long as I getting bits and

520
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.559
pieces of it's funny though that people
then they only know your voice. I

521
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.039
was in a store once and and
I was talking to somebody and so but

522
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:00.960
it came up to me They're like, hey, are you Captain Ron?

523
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.639
And I was like, well,
yeah, why why And she's She's like,

524
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:07.599
well, I don't know what you
look like because I've never seen your

525
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:12.519
face, but I've listened to your
show a lot, you know, just

526
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.599
even hear your voice is kind of
yeah, well I've got I've got,

527
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:16.880
you know, since we're taking a
little bit of a jag here, I've

528
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.960
got something that I think is really
really really nice and sweet and everything.

529
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.079
I had a good friend that we
lost last year, Lee Spiegel. Oh

530
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.480
yeah, Lee was at that thing
with Travis I told you about on the

531
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.159
Hour. Was absolutely he was a
part of that event. Yeah, I

532
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:36.760
know, he pas it was a
shame. Yeah, yeah, Lise was

533
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.719
a wonderful guy. Yes, And
his his wife, Lorraine, tells a

534
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.599
story where, you know, years
ago, like thirty five years ago,

535
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.760
she's in New York City and she's
in her bookstore and she is hearing this

536
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.480
guy talking and she said, are
you Lee Spiegel? And you know by

537
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.440
his voice on the radio, he
had a you know, he was on

538
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:04.639
the radio for several years and they
fell madly in love with each other,

539
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.440
and thirty years later they got married. They waited thirty years to get married,

540
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:15.840
but they got married and yeah,
finally caves. Yeah. So the

541
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.800
numbers up there, it's eight five
five four seven two five four eighty three.

542
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.800
Hopefully Chanel will be ready and to
take your call. Anyone I'd like

543
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.760
to call in. Ask our guest
guests some questions. Let's hear some other

544
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.440
names of some of the people that
would be speaking there. Well, we're

545
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:36.000
gonna have George Napp. We're going
to do a special coast to coast George

546
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.559
and George. Uh, George Napp
and George Norri have apparently never been on

547
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.119
stage together, if you can believe
that. Oh, how about that?

548
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.599
And these are two legends in broadcasting. Yeah, of course. So we

549
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.559
try to get you know, literally
the legends in this community and the new

550
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.840
and upcoming people. We try to
get the the you know, old solid

551
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.159
cases covered and the newest, latest
information, you know, that kind of

552
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.440
thing. So that's what we try
to run the gamut. So we're going

553
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.239
to do a basically and ask me
anything with the two of them, and

554
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.679
that's gonna be a lot of fun. And Danny Sheehan's going to be there.

555
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:15.360
I think he's the most important person
in our community. If you're coming

556
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.199
live. That's who I recommend you
go see. Daniel Shehan. He will

557
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:24.639
be giving the latest information. He's
working directly with Congress, genuinely making strides

558
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:31.280
of moving this effort forward. And
you can't miss Danny. He's got that

559
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:36.280
hair. Yeah, yep, yeah. Richard Dolan is a must see.

560
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:42.000
Of course, Matthew James Bailey is
sort of heading up our artificial intelligence track

561
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:47.159
this year and him and Adam Curry
are going to do this live touring test

562
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.719
on Friday night, Wow, where
they're gonna, you know, ask questions

563
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.599
and have have some of our other
speakers play like almost almost like a game

564
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.920
show. They're going to do a
live touring test and then you've got to

565
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.119
decide did a person answer that or
did a computer answer that question? See

566
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:10.280
if you can tell the difference,
which would be kind of exciting. So

567
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:15.280
there's lots lots of that kind of
interactive fun things, and of course we

568
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.440
have parties. We have live bands
almost every night. We have Adam Apolo

569
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.000
is going to do live DJ for
us Friday night, Thursday, Saturday,

570
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:27.639
Sunday. We're gonna have live bands, which is going to be a lot

571
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.760
of fun. Nine Fingers playing for
us They're going to be playing seventies,

572
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.199
eighties, nineties everything, So it's
gonna be it's gonna be a lot of

573
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.840
fun. Mark d' antonio is gonna
be doing another thing on site at night

574
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:46.000
with his telescope in Arizona as well, which is really Oh yeah, his

575
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.440
skytour thing. All that stuff is
so fun and how great to you know

576
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.239
have him taught? He is so
good. Yeah, he's a fun guy,

577
00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.960
fun guy, always interesting, quirky
and that's what I love about him.

578
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.639
Now, did I see you have? Is Dave Foley? Did I

579
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.119
see Dave Foley? Dave Foley is
going to be there. He's going to

580
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:14.800
do his podcast live at our show. We're going to start that new too.

581
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.159
We're doing other you know, we're
kind of expanding. We're doing four

582
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:24.119
different brand new, never before seen
documentaries from Darcy Wear and Craig Campa,

583
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:34.519
Bustle and Ron James and Let's see
Kelly Chase and j Christopher King. So

584
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.320
all of those are going to brand
new films that have never been seen before

585
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:45.760
documentaries. Plus we play Hollywood movies
outside on the lawn at night. We're

586
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.719
doing like ET Saturday night. Dee
Wallace is going to introduce it. She

587
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.639
was the mom in e T.
She's going to be there. I mean,

588
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.880
it's just just so m much,
you know an event. Yeah,

589
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.079
this seems like much bigger than it's
ever been. Is that it is?

590
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.920
It's the ten year anniversary and we
kind of just you know, we tried

591
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.159
to camp it at fifty that was
our objective. Let's not go over fifty

592
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.039
speakers, and here we are at
seventy three. Let's have a movie.

593
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:19.039
Now we have four documentaries. Now
we have three Hollywood movies. We're going

594
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.400
to do live podcasts on site.
Kelly Chase is doing her podcast live,

595
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:31.760
Dave Folly doing his podcast live,
the last podcast on the left. Those

596
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.480
guys are incredible. They're into this
topic. There are a lot of fun

597
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.159
they're crazy, and they're going to
be doing their podcast live. They're going

598
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:46.440
to do their own panel and they're
going to talk about different footage that they've

599
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.559
acquired and give their critiques and their
opinions on it. There's just so much

600
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.719
great things they happen. Wow.
Wow, Really I hope to be there

601
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.480
next year. Perhaps you've got a
a log podcast here too. I'd love

602
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.960
to do that next year. Of
course, this year was out because of

603
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.559
just something I had scheduled. But
I would love to make it out there

604
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:14.199
next year. It's been you know, I've been watching this and and grow

605
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.760
and it's been really quite amazing.
Almost made it there last year again there

606
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.199
was a little medical situation that couldn't
make it. But yeah, it is

607
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.960
growing, and I think you know, they were gone for a while because

608
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.559
you know, they shut down in
twenty twenty, they were gone in twenty

609
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.920
one twenty two. We brought it
back last year and now now we're kind

610
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.000
of back to full strength. You
know, we're going to do the ten

611
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.079
year anniversary, and we have a
lot of prominent names in this field,

612
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you know, Jason Martel, William
Henry, Andrew Collins. I think Russell

613
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targ the guy's ninety years old and
he's still fascinating and he's still got a

614
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.559
lot of you know, how great
to be to hear it directly from him.

615
00:46:53.679 --> 00:47:00.079
You know, I just I just
find this very exciting, even for

616
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:06.760
me. Michael Schratt is fascinating,
Yeah, Michael, Yeah. Yvonne Smith

617
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.599
All Smith remote viewer, another legendary
guy. Tracy Dolan does the remote viewing.

618
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.079
She's going to do as well,
yeah, we're gonna have Dwayne Allinger

619
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:21.199
from the blind Frog Ranch. He's
the owner of that ranch, and he

620
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.239
talks about all the incredible things that
have happened in his life. Besides the

621
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:31.119
craziness that's happened on the ranch,
what's happened to him personally is far more

622
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.800
fascinating and interesting than the blind Frog
Ranch stuff. There is some unique,

623
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.679
mysterious things happening on that ranch.
But Gordon and I have gone out to

624
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.400
Dwayne's ranch and hung out with him, and he's shared a lot of personal

625
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.599
stories with us, unbelievable stuff.
Now I've heard a little bit about that,

626
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:57.079
but can you fill in what exactly
goes on there typically at the ranch.

627
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.000
Yeah, there's all kinds of anomaly
and all kinds of things where they

628
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:07.360
like, uh, they get they
get a metal detector and it goes off.

629
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.800
Then they go to get the tools
and they come back and it's not

630
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:17.599
it's not showing up again. You
know, there's always they've discovered tunnels under

631
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.760
there. They think it's possible that, you know, the Aztecs or have

632
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.880
have buried gold all through. I
think it's the Aztecs have buried gold in

633
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:36.239
those Hills and there's different ancient mining
claims right on his property. Now where

634
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:42.719
is that located approximately, It's it's
just north of Skinwalker Ranch. It's it's

635
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.880
almost adjacent to Skinwalker. It's like
ten minutes away from Skinwalker Ranch. So

636
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:52.280
he's right there in that same area. And they've had the cattle mutilation on

637
00:48:52.320 --> 00:49:00.239
the property, and they've had all
kinds of anomalies and unique things have And

638
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:06.159
like I said, though, Dwayne
himself has had unique things happened in his

639
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.840
life before he even bought the ranch. So you know, you wonder does

640
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:15.440
that tie into the ranch? Did
he bring that with him? You know,

641
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:19.480
it's it's so hard to say,
of course, but but fascinating.

642
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:24.079
Nonetheless, I had Brandon Fugel on
last night on the show. I did

643
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.440
a special show with him, and
yeah, you know, one of the

644
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.800
things I asked him, what about
your neighbors? You know, I mean

645
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:35.039
they you know, the paranormal or
whatever it is has no boundaries in you

646
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:38.440
know, And so he does he
does talk about that, you know that

647
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.960
things do. That whole region right
there in Utah. There's like a bunch

648
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.239
of ranches right there. It's skin
Walker and then blind Frog, right right

649
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:51.440
above them, and and they can
only be there. It gets really cold

650
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:53.119
there, so they have to like
shut it down for the winter and stuff

651
00:49:53.119 --> 00:50:00.440
and then they go back. But
I had no idea that that that it

652
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.119
got that cold there. Oh yeah, they can't even they close up for

653
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.360
the for the season. Oh.
I think it's elevation primarily. Yeah.

654
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.159
Chanelle was in the studio, she's
right near there, and she said,

655
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.800
oh, yeah, it snows here. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

656
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.480
yeah. But yeah, that is
so weird, you know, I

657
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.079
mean how some things can be regional
like that. And I always thought that

658
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:29.000
was another strange phenomenon when there's hotspots
or you know, another thing that's puzzled

659
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.920
me, you know, because I
think you might be thinking like I do

660
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.679
as well, or think a lot
about this topic. And it's always wonder

661
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.280
I've always wondered why I oftentimes just
see the same craft for several days in

662
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.239
the same area or you know,
I mean the Belgium, you know wave

663
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.320
when that happened. You know,
they kept seeing the same thing in that

664
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.760
area. When it's such a big
world to explore. Sure, you know,

665
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.880
why why there? Yeah? And
you know, you start thinking about

666
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:59.320
it logically, like let's say it
was from another let's say, planetary system,

667
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.960
and it came maybe maybe you're studying
a certain area, or maybe they

668
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:09.000
have equipment and they're they're able to
scan for minerals or yeah, you know,

669
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.119
rare earth minerals, and maybe they're
trying to find a certain thing.

670
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.800
You know. It's again, this
is such speculative stuff. It's hard to

671
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:22.159
even guess that. But but you
can imagine that that that would happen.

672
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:27.119
And you do hear these stories of
these things reoccurring in certain spaces, right

673
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.360
you know, the Brown Mountain lights. I don't know if they've heard of

674
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:36.199
those, but there's they speculate because
it's a high uh, there's high copper

675
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.960
content in that area, you know, I mean, maybe there is something

676
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.679
to all that same thing. When
I was asking Brandon yesterday about you know,

677
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.519
what could be attracting whatever it is
to that area that could be geological,

678
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.079
you know, I mean, that
could be one of the one of

679
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:57.159
the things. He felt, no, no, but that was one of

680
00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.280
the things that they're exploring. But
yeah, I mean, I think,

681
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.280
you know, we he sort of
agreed to me. I said, a

682
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.960
lot of things make sense if it's
inter dimensional there, you know what I

683
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:12.599
mean. So he but I think
he's open minded to what it, you

684
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.119
know, just still trying to figure
out what it is. Absolutely, and

685
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.079
you know, there's like we talked
about, younger people are starting to get

686
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.800
interested in this topic. It is
certainly feeling more mainstream. It's easier to

687
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.280
talk about this just in the last
six years. I feel it's it's better.

688
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.199
And we're seeing we're going to do
a panel on the women of ufology.

689
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.840
Oh, that's great. I saw
that, which is nice because you

690
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:38.840
know this is very heavily dominated male
exactly, yes, and so it's nice

691
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:44.440
to see that. And of course
we have that, and you know,

692
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:50.519
we're doing different paranormal anomalies, ancient
civilizations. We're going to do a panel

693
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.320
on disclosure, and that's very hot
right now. Obviously we have this new

694
00:52:54.679 --> 00:53:00.480
possible whistleblower coming out. We have
supposedly a list of four waiting in the

695
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.840
wings. I think there's been three
so far that have come forward to some

696
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:12.679
degree, but that means there's thirty
seven more supposedly that have at least expressed

697
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.679
interest in coming out and telling their
story. And yeah, I think those

698
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:22.480
are all direct, first person direct
witnesses to an event like that. So

699
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.840
yep, that's really exciting stuff.
I mean, all of this stuff is

700
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.880
just so fascinating you don't even know
where to where to stop, you know

701
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:32.199
what I mean. It's like,
yeah, well, I got to say,

702
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.119
we're out of time, but I
want to thank you so much and

703
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.599
write down in the texts and the
show and below in the show notes and

704
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:42.960
all that you'll find everything you need
to find for contact in the desert.

705
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.639
Thank you so much. Thanks Ben, real pleasure, Martin. All right,

706
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:50.159
take care, all right, next
week we'll be back with kas Clark.

707
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.480
We're going to be talking again more
about the Pintrick UFO and some more

708
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.880
evidence that she has on that.
So check us out next week. Remember

709
00:53:58.920 --> 00:53:59.760
to keep your eyes to the