Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willsher host, and we
have a great guest tonight. I listened to a past interview of his.
He and I agree on a lot of things. I'm glad to have him
aboard his name, he's known by Captain Ron Ron Jennix. He's coming right
up in just a minute. And our blog this week from Charles Lear is
a nineteen seventy seven UFO CONTACTE case, a very interesting thing, and this
one actually had a cycloptic aliens, so it's very interesting. So check that
out. Charles let me know that his book is out. It's going to
be out. He's going to be on as a guest, coming up sometime
in the month of June. And our guest today is uh is a half
owner of Contact in the Desert. He's been around the paranormal and UFO topic
for a good while and I think you'll find him entertaining. And here he
is, Captain Ron. Welcome. Hey, Martin. I'll tell you why.
Just when you think you've heard everything, which feels like we have psycloptic
alien, I have not ever heard that term. Yeah, you know,
I had a rock band though Cycloptic alien. Oh my god, it'll be
out tomorrow. So I had I was interviewing you know, Nick Pope recently
in the Ozark at the Ozark Conference, and he said, you know a
lot of these. He believes that perhaps, you know, the by focal
vision bipedal is it works and may because it works, it works for almost
all our species that we have, that maybe that's what will happen in you
know, other developments of whatever. You never know, never know what works.
That's right. There's so many variables I said that. I mean,
they could have a binary star system that would change things. They may or
may not have a moon that would change things. There's so many different things
that could change the developing species of any kind. But it was fascinating.
So you have the tiger by the tail. You're now a co owner of
Contact in the Desert, which is a major event. I saw that.
I saw the pictures of all the speakers and everything, and how many speakers
out of their total we have seventy three speakers if you can believe that.
God, wow, and that's over five days. Yeah, go into tenth
anniversary. That is sorted. Yeah, So I think you know, on
and off during this conversation. We'll get in to that, you know,
and and you know what we can look forward to and all that when that
that's going to happen. But I want to know, uh something about you,
because uh, you know, everyone has a story and what sparked their
interest in this topic, and I want to know what it was with you.
Very boring, same as I hear from a lot of speakers. You
know, I h as a kid, I was never really interested in this
stuff, or I don't recall, but uh, you know, in college
I read the the two seminal books in my Mind, which are Communion by
Streamer and Eric Van Danigan's Traits of the Gods, of course, which are
highly influential books that a lot of the speakers I've interviewed often point to as
the point that got them ignited into this topic. And it's no different for
me. And of course Art Bell was very prominent, and you know,
I just kind of fell in love with listening to that. And you know,
it's one of these topics the more you get involved in, the more
you know about it, the more interesting it is, the deeper you delve
into it. And I just feel, you know, very drawn to it.
I feel like there's a lot more here that requires more study, more
more eyeballs, and more attention. And I'm frustrated about how many people just
dismiss this topic out of hand. I really feel it it's deserving of a
lot more scrutiny. Oh I agree. And you know what I heard you
say something which I kind of feel is exactly the same way, and that
is either people really be into it or people could care less, you know
I mean. And I also know people. I know this one person in
particular, I've talked about him once or twice on my show who I was
sharing an office with. Now he's on the Antiques Roadshow, and so you
know, he's well known. And so he told me about a siding he
had in college that was just unbelievable. It was a box shaped Ufo Flew
and Amherst in between the two towers, and it was four stories down below
them, and they were all staring out the window. They said, like
five or six guys, we're all staring out the window, and there was
lights blinking on all around it and it was just sitting there and all of
a sudden, it shot off toward the mountains and they heard like an afterburner
and a jet heading toward it. It burst into five lights, and then
the five lights had this sequential flashing back and forth, and then as as
a formation, the light shot off before the jet could get there. And
I said to him, Oh my god, I can't believe it. I
said, how did that change your life? And he said, I could
care less. I mean I could care less. Come on, man,
I see this ore to me. I know, at their own paradigm and
their own interest level or whatever. Yeah, never gave it another thought,
you know, which it's amazing to me. It is to me. That's
why I bring it up as an example. Already had an experience or had
a sighting, or had something that that ignited their interest. Right, Yeah,
yeah, it did for me, But I had I had sort of
a passing interest, you know. I mean but kind of sounds kind of
like you you know, I read a couple of books, and you know,
but I didn't really pay that much attention. I remember when the alien
autopsy, which spoiler alert it's a fake, when that came out in the
nineteen nineties, I had to catch it, you know, on the news,
and it's like, oh wow, But you know, I was working
on a house. I was had a big you know, I mean a
business that took a lot of care. So I had all these things going
on and it was like okay, you know, and never really looked back
into it, you know. So I understand how people, you know,
people have to pay their bills, they have to you know, do their
daily gig. Yeah. I think that's a problem too, even with you
know, the Congress and everything right now. Look, we've got multiple wars
going on, We've got a potential situation in Taiwan. It's hard to talk
about UFOs right now, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
it is hard. It must be hard for you know, I mean the
people that are you know, involved in that, in our government, that
are are taking it seriously. It's it's a hard one, I'm sure for
them to get any you know, any feedback with everything that's going on right
now. Agreed. Yeah, Yeah, So you you read a couple of
books and then you had an interest, but you've also done a number of
things. You've done podcasts all the way back you since you started in twenty
fourteen, and a few other things. You have what is this this program
you have where you you did like a virtual conference. Yeah, when what
is that COVID happened and we couldn't go to Contact in the Desert. I've
always been a big fan of Contact in the Desert, and when that couldn't
happen, I along with a partner of mine, we formed something called the
Observation Deck and it was a live online It was like kind of like you
know, you had an avatar, so it's a kind of like a virtual
reality thing where you would go into this world and it was basically like Contact
in the Desert where you had these different stages and you could walk around with
your little avatar and it was kind of like this computer where you know,
like they call it now on like Meta has it now. You know.
This was right in at you know, the end of twenty twenty one.
Beginning of twenty one we started that and we would kind of hold one day
conferences, like we had Travis Walton on there and we brought all his guys
on there and his brother and the first people that saw and we basically held
like a mini little live virtual kind difference and it was great and I thought,
you know, really could could go somewhere and it was a great you
know, stop gap for us to fill in for missing live events, and
it just kind of got too expensive and too much and it went away.
But it was a great idea at the time and it was a lot of
fun. And now we get to do it live again. It's nothing like
doing it live. Oh absolutely. I remember, you know, talking to
Karen Briart doing she tried to do the virtual event and it was it is
costly. It doesn't make it doesn't make the sense that it does not for
a live and people, you know, I mean, you know, as
well as I do. The fun in the halls and the at dinner and
afterwards is just so enlightening compared to you can't get that when you're doing anything
virtual. Absolutely absolutely, During that little time during COVID, it was kind
of our world. You know, yeah, we had to, we had
to, but but yeah, now, I mean, we're going to offer
actually streaming this year for the first time ever at Contact. We're going to
live stream the main room, which is going to have all the panels in
it, so people, if you can't make it there, you can still
get a chance to experience it, which is great, but it's not like
being there, you know, being there you really do get that interact in
action with the people and the speakers and just something magical about it, you
know, right right, And you know, whenever there's any type of conference
or anything like that, people love to explore an area. You know.
That's another thing. You know, out that way, it's beautiful out that
way, and you know it's a nice time of year out there as well.
And I know that's what I do rock and Integratron and we have tours
that go out there. Oh wow, there's great things. Yeah. Absolutely.
We even take a Mark d' antonio takes a bus out into the desert
and they're gonna go away where there's no light pollution because it's the desert.
Yeah, I'm going to talk about the sky and things. Is gonna be
amazing. Yeah. I got to hang out with him quite a bit.
We're good friends, and we went. Yeah, he's a wonderful guy.
We went to uh. Our producer Donna and I and him went to the
most haunted house, I mean haunted hotel in the in the US. It's
the Preston Hotel in uh Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Okay, well it's calling
itself the most Haunted. Yeah, I think a lot of them do,
to be honest, probably I think I've gone about four of those. Yeah,
I know the Mount Washington Hotel. That's another one that, yeah,
supposedly on it, but anyway, that was Shining one, the one from
the film The Shine. Oh yeah, yeah, I can't think of the
name of that, but yeah, Colorado I think it is. But yeah,
well that that's great, you know. I mean one of the things,
you know, I happen to have had a sighting and that's kind of
what maybe do you know, go into having a podcast about it because I
knew there was had to be something to it, and it's not. It's
not whether you believe or not, because there's no such thing as believing something
that's already there. You know, we know that it's what it is.
That's the mystery that I like, you know exactly, that's well put,
Martin. I mean a lot of people that I've talked to, they never
would say I'm a believer or whatever. They know these things to be true.
But we're dealing with an unknown, as I like to say. I'm
sure you've heard me say that before. It's an unknown. So what is
it that we're dealing with? You know, so my goal is always to
get us closer to that what is happening. Let's see if we can look
at the data and compare people's stories and see if we can't, you know,
decipher what what is happening? What what could this be? Right?
Right? And one of the things I like doing about that, this I
like doing the show is talking to different people and getting their ideas. But
you know, I always tend to run away from anyone that says they absolutely
know what's going on. And I've had people approach me to be guests on
my show and I let them know that Unfortunately, you know, I mean,
I kind of steer away from that type of thing because I really don't
think that anyone knows, and I personally don't think that our government totally knows.
I think, I agree they might know more than we do, but
I don't think they have the whole picture. You're right, Martin, You
and I do see this the same exact way. It's exactly how I feel.
The more someone is so certain about what they know, I boy,
it just it's really hard for me to handle that. How do you how
would you possibly know that? You could tell me your first hand account of
what happened to you. But the way they know this is the alien and
this is that one, and this is that it just seems like we're dealing
with such a such an unknown thing to our normal world that it's hard to
pin that down. I think it's good to be open minded about and see
what we can't decipher, but it's hard to know what's really happening. And
you're right, that's a well way to put it, too, is the
government probably does know much more than we do, but that doesn't mean they
know the answer either. I think this is something potentially so much bigger that
we're not even able to grasp it, right, right, Yeah, we
may not even even if we knew what it was, We may not understand.
Do you hear people talk about the jungle theory. No, I love
this. This is a good analogy people say like that. The jungle theory
is we have two scientists walking through the jungle in Africa and they come across
this giant ant hill and there's a million ants there, and our scientists have
a jar and they reach down and they pluck up seven of them and they
put them in a jar. They might even put a number on the back
or tag them, and then they put them back and the rest of the
ynts never even knew that the scientists were there, and the seven ants didn't
know what happened to them, and they go back, and it's like we
could be dealing with something so beyond our level of development that it may be
you know, similar to that, right right. I just wanted to say
this before I forget. So this is coming up in just a few weeks,
and that is we have Jonathan Wagen. There will be his third interview
about his encounter in Peru, and he is going to be joined by Michael
Horrera, who had a very similar incident in Indonesia, you know, a
decade or so apart. The two will be on together. I'll have Jonathan
in studio. I'm going to be up near where he lives and going to
have him in studio with me and then Mike. So I just wanted to
point that out for coming up in the future since I forgot to talk about
it. There you go, two marines. Now, Yeah, you know
what it takes to become a marine. It's very difficult. And how do
you dismiss these guys out of hand? I don't I I think it's they've
earned earned my respect to listen to them and believe them. Most likely that
you know, they became a marine. It's like I always say about all
these guys. Obby Loebe got to where he is and John Mack got to
where he is, and and these guys are so credible, and then when
they just talk about this topic, suddenly they're they're they're not worthy of listening
to, and it drives me crazy. That's right about John Mack. I
can't remember who it was. I mean, if you said his name,
I remember he said that he was a lawyer from uh, well, from
the law school of Harvard, and said, Jean, who is it?
No, No, this is uh, this is uh. He's out of
there now. I just can't think of his name. But he said,
uh, Devils and angels, yeah, aliens know. That's when they were
putting John to the task there and trying to figure out if you should be
you know. But again, I just think that's people's lens. I mean,
I think a lot of this phenomenon could be very much related, if
not the exact same thing. Yet people are using terms to describe an unknown
thing to them or unique experience, using those terms that they're familiar with.
Their people are going to call it an angel, a spirit, depending on
their religious feelings, an alien, a time traveler, you know, ferries
from the trees used to be the thing rant Whitley Straemer's book, you know,
and then and then it's the exact same account, and it's eighty years
later. Now it's a spaceman because it's it's that's the lens that those people
have. Yeah. So I do think that a lot of times these different
phenomenon could be very much related. We just don't know how to describe it.
So we all use our own little paradigm, in our own little vocabulary
to to assign these things to it. Yeah, yeah, I think we
we always have as a species, you know, I mean, think of
all the things that we I mean, think about it. When the eclipse
happened like we had recently. How you know, a thousand years ago,
people are thinking that gods were mad at them, so they sacrificed the child.
No, the sun came back. Well we'll do it again next time,
right, you know, right type of thing that look, it worked,
it went on yeah right yeah yeah, so but but uh, what
keeps you going? I mean to me, it's the curiosity of you know,
what you said you'd like to know in your lifetime. I think I
heard you say. Yes. That's what keeps me going, is I feel
like it's been really exciting. In fact, the last few days we've had
a lot of exciting things in this community happened. But I feel like it's
still, to me, moving very glacially. They leak out a little tiny
thing or one little guy, it's like, come on, let's move this
forward. Let's try to get closer to the truth. I feel like the
clock's ticking and I want to know. So's That's kind of what drives me
is I really would like to get closer to the answer of what's really happening.
And all these different phenomena are interesting, you know, these discoveries they
make in archaeology, these discoveries they make in artificial intelligence and where that's headed.
I mean, all of these things are so much more fascinating to me
than the day to day three D world of whatever accounting or yeah, I
know, auto repair, whatever, whatever it may be. Just to me,
I'd like to delve into these things and see if we can get closer
to the truth. And you know, speaking of artificial intelligence. You and
I were talking ahead of the show, and I've said to you, you
agreed that I don't think we can trust anything that comes out from now on
when it comes to videos to pictures. I mean, how how can we?
I mean unless there was witnesses during you know, say a filming,
and enough credible witnesses or something like that. And that's what's always important anyway,
is the credibility of the witnesses, you know, and multiple witnesses always
helps me a lot too. I think that's stronger. Photoshop changed everything because
then you couldn't trust a photograph. And now we're talking about text to video.
You can text to AI. You can literally talk and it will.
I keep talking about this. I saw this guy like talked to the computer
and it made a cookie commercial form and it was like cookies coming out of
the oven and kids eating cookies and it was it looked like a professional cookie
commercial. And I was like, wow, so you can imagine what's coming.
It's going to be alien abduction scene UFO in the sky. Now,
how do you trust it? How do you know? And I almost feel
hard, you know, I almost feel worse for people that have an experience.
Now it's going to be even harder to prove. Now we have cameras,
Now we have the ability to capture some evidence, and they're still not
going to believe it because you could fake that. So it really is a
difficult arena that we're dealing with here, That's right. And I saw it.
I think it was yesterday on x formerly Twitter that someone had like outside
of the window of their commercial airliner they were flying in there was a tic
tac doing all these maneuvers and it said, no, way, that's pretty
nice. But yeah, right, and you know it was a UFO site
that put it up there too, some UFO site on Facebook, And I
thought, no, I'm not going to even give that any you know.
Yeah, that's the thing. We're in this and we don't even give it
any credence. You know, Jason Sands comes out. Now, you know,
this could be really exciting. This this is a first hand witness.
David Grosh was always saying that he was, you know, everything was hearsay.
He heard this guy say, he heard other people. This guy is
a firsthand direct witness with a direct alien being military guy. You know.
Now, now we got to find out if if if he's legit, what
is his real story? You know that it seems like he does at least
check out that he was in the military and this and that. But you
know, it's going to take a lot more flushing up to to get through
to him. You know. Well, I'll tell you I need to stay
kind of away from this particular topic only because a friend of mine's involved.
But I am. I'm really lary of the whole situation. That's all.
That's all I want to say. You know, well, that's a perfect
example. There you go. Even you were leary of the video out the
window. Yeah, we're leary of all these things. You and I are
leary of it, and we're knee deep in this community. Imagine people outside
this community. They're leary of the stuff that we think is super strong.
Then you see something new and they just dismiss it out of hand, right.
Yeah. And there's a parallel in what I've done for years, and
that's dealt with people collecting, you know, antiques and all these things.
And I've just seen it happen. And what happens is if someone's really excited
about collecting, let's just say I'm going to go into a cast iron mechanical
bank. We'll just say that, well, they have some really really good
fakes, and people will pay really good money for something that costs ten dollars
and was actually literally put in horse maneuver for two years and now it looks
like antique and that's really how they age. That's when we did. But
they're going to say, Okay, I used to collect. I no longer
want anything to do with these friggin antique. People are trying to, you
know, rip me off, and there's no way I'm going to collect anymore.
I'm gone. And that's kind of how I feel. It's the same
way when someone is looking into this topic and they get all excited about and
all of a sudden they find out what they're really excited about is fake.
Or see if you get tired of it. I mean, there's so much
misinformation, disinformation, hoaxes, you know, I think everybody kind of gets
a little tired of the whole community. And then and then there's like infighting
amongst our community. It's really right now is a big time right now,
And that just drives me insane. The whole duality of all of these things,
the politics and and and even like in our community, these people arguing
different things, we're all on the same side here, we're all trying to
get to the truth. And you know, I think these different opinions and
these different ideas are good to share and let's come to a consensus. But
not, I don't. I can't stand the fighting and the nonsense. I
just I just can't stand it. Yeah, yeah, you know, if
if if we could, if we could just trust that people would be truthful
with what they know, you know what I mean. If, But but
we're human, you know, and it's it's awful hard to trust another human
and yeah, you know. So, yeah, there's a lot of infighting
right now. The good thing is the math is on our side because if
there's I don't think there's a million people hoaxing their experiences and we only need
one, as they say, you know, if we if one of these
things is legit, then then then then there is an ET presence and that's
real, you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, or whatever that
may be. If it's not ET, it's interdimensional, it's time, whatever
it may be. But if anyone's experience is real, then all all of
this is it's true. So you know, it's hard to not get discouraged
by the fakes and everything, but I do think there's some legitimate stuff out
there, and it all certainly warrants more scientific investigation. That's right. And
I've been really glad since you know, twenty seventeen where scientists are daring to
you know, put their toe in the water and you know, to look
into this topic a little bit and you know, pretty strong now compared to
the way it was you know prior. I mean you mentioned Navi Low.
That's a really good example right there, and you know, someone with his
stature is actually taking this thing serious. And I love it to more of
that. Yeah, we need more of that. Unfortunately, we've lost a
lot of people as they pass away, Stanton Friedman and whatnot, these these
scientists guys, and that's a shame because we do need more credible, strong
people in this community to to move this down the field. I think that's
right, that's right. And yeah, Stanton was a really good example and
really nice man. Uh. I miss him. I miss hearing him,
you know, chewing someone out, you know. Yeah, my favorite Stanton
Freeman quote is don't bother me with the facts my mind. Yeah, I
love it. Yeah, yeah, that's so funny. I underline some UFO
craft, not all. Yeah, I'm not interested in though, just the
sum Yeah, he's right, he's right, Yeah, yep. And as
far as the let's go a little bit into you know, what's going on
with uh it's five days and it starts at the end of end of May,
right, yeah, Thursday of May thirtieth through uh Monday, June third,
mm hmm. And yeah, so how does it how does it start
off? And what kind of things do you have chaos and carnival atmosphere.
I mean, we kick it off on Thursday. We're doing one oh ones
this year, another new thing at contact where people that are new to this
community or have a curiosity about it. We have four of our speakers each
doing a one hour one oh one class sort of on various topics, one
on AI, one on government disclosure, one on UFOs, and you know
it's Paul Heineck doing UFOs and Steven Basset's disclosure. So it's top guys that
really know this stuff. So if you're sort of new to the community,
it's a great place to sort of get started. And then as we go
into the weekend, you know, it's all day, every day we have
you know, at any given time there's basically seven choices of stages to go
to to watch somebody speak, which is really great, amazing. How many
people do you expect to show up this year? Somewhere between two and three
thousand's. That's that's pretty amazing. It's great, it's great, And like
I said, there's these ancillary events that go on during it, like the
bus trip and Mark d' antonio I was telling you, And so there's something
for everyone basically, and you know there's a diversity of topics. Yes we're
UFO centric, but you know we we delve into we like to ever towe
in the water of a lot of these paranormal things, you know, from
basically the way people talk. Now, I love the phrasing of non human
intelligence. Are of course going to have a panel on that. So non
human intelligence. People that take d MT have these experiences with some form of
intelligence. They claim, yes, is that alien? Is that? I
don't know what that, but that's a non human intelligence. We're talking about
people that have had experiences talking to people who've passed away. Now, is
that that's an that's not human? Obviously? They're they're they're deceased. So
there's non human intelligence. AI is advancing, we're about to get sentient,
and at what point are we talking to non human intelligence there? So there's
a lot of different things, and there's time travel and other forms of communication
with non human intelligences and it's all fascinating, that's right. And the is
Paul Heinik leading the DMT, Well, he'll be on that panel and that
will be his position. Yes, yeah, because I know that he told
me that he you know, he's tried these different things and has had these
experiences. And I actually have a friend in the who I work with in
the appraisal world of art and antiques that actually claims so that she had something
like that happen and she had, you know, no real interest in any
of this, but she you know, confided to me, she said,
I feel like it was actually an alien that connected. You know. It's
me interesting because she chose the word alien because you know that's you know,
well, this year we're gonna do something different. We're gonna actually put d
MT into the punch bowl and everybody coming. He just it, We're not
going to tell anyone And then what unfold. You don't know how many more
people you just got to come to the see that our ticket sales just double.
That's unbelievable. Yeah. So it's really fun to delve into these things
and also the ancient archaeology and there's some new discoveries there. And we have
Roberty Grant coming. Do you know who that is? No? I don't,
But do you have you have Graham Hancock? Is he? He was
here last year. He was our keynome last year. Okay, yeah,
no, who tell me about this Roberty Grant. This guy is absolutely amazing.
He's going to be talking about Just a few months ago. He was
in Egypt and he stayed inside the King's chamber of the Great Pyramid. He
had special permission to do this, wow, and he brought in super high
tech cameras and lighter and scanned the walls. This has never been done before.
And then he took it home and they looked at him the computer and
then they zoomed in, you know, with with high reds, and they
were able to see these etchings on the wall. So they started filming filling
them in and he realized that these were the constellations and they were etched into
the stone, you know, thousands of years ago and they were they were
lined up all the way around, and there's there's tons of other stuff about
it, but that alone, to me is Wow, We've never known that
is that's him? Yeah, Wow, absolutely amazing and that's a must see
in my book. Trust me that that that guy is fascinating. The fact
that he's made that discovery is unbelievable. I we didn't know about this.
We've we've been in that thing for thousands of years and we never discovered that.
So it's really really fascinating. And I love hearing these new new discoveries
firsthand from the guy that made them, you know, M yeah, and
then you know we're going to do uh. I mean this is this is
this poster is perfect. It's you know, the ancient past to the future.
I mean that is what Contact in the Desert is about. You know,
we really try to cover the whole gamut of it and really exciting.
I think we're gonna have a Legends panel this year where we pay tribute to
some of these legends that that really have advanced this topic, like Whitley Strieber,
Travis Walton, uh, George Nori Russell targ is going to be there.
Linda Moulten howe. Uh, pretty cool to have a legends panel.
I think it's it's time we kind of Richard will be on that panel.
These guys are legends that have really advanced our cause, and I want to
pay tribute to them and and keep them going and hopefully inspire others to follow.
Yeah, that's you know, that's a good point because you know,
you go to these and uh, it's not like there's a lot of young
people, and you know, young people coming up. There is more,
i would say, in the last couple of years than I've seen since.
Oh yeah, now it's definitely more that way. Last year we had a
lot more younger people. It's wonderful. Yeah, And I love the fact
and those are the people that you know, really need to you know,
carry on. And a lot of times in conferences I noticed there was not
a lot of young people. I did at the Ozarks, I met a
German lady, a young lady that flew over from Germany to go to that
conference, you know, and I thought that was brilliant, you know what
I mean. Yeah, we have a lot of those that surprised me too.
People come from Belgium and from how do you even know about this?
I can't get people in LA to know about it. You came from Belgium.
It's just interesting and it's fascinating and it's exciting to me that they made
that journey, and I think it's terrific. Yeah, yeah, excellent.
Yeah, So this is going to be the first year that you actually are
the co owner of this contact in the jest, Yeah, Gordon and I
made the purchase last year, but we kind of did it, you know,
in conjunction with the previous ownership last year, and then now we're on
our own this year. So I hope you took good notes. We did.
We did. It's a lot, but we've got just the most incredible
team and we all feel compelled and drawn to do this. And for somebody
like myself who's very skeptical about a lot of these things, we have more
synchronicities that happened in our little world that I just can't even believe and really
just tells me we're really on the right path and we've got the right people,
and we feel really good about this. So we just keep pouring everything
we have right into this event. I feel like I almost want to talk
about synchronosities myself because I'm kind of reluctant by my producer and I have these
synchronicities unbelievable since we got together, Isn't it amazing, To the point that
I said this morning, I have to document this stuff just because we're talking
about it. I will share a quick synchronosity that happened yesterday. Last night,
I was talking to one of the people that work on our staff.
We were talking about the ConA. The ConA blue thing came out. You've
heard about that, I'm sure, And I was saying that we had heard
that it's possible that that ConA stands for four different crash retrievals. Kingman Asening,
I think is the name Nellis and Aztech, So those are the four
KO and A. And we said, well, that's interesting. And I
said, well, Kingman, you know I knew that guy, Harry Drew.
And she's like, oh, really, yeah, Harry Drew. That's
interesting. I said, yeah, I knew him. I've interviewed him.
He's a good guy. And we hang up the phone and and and the
girl that does my social media happened to send me a text from somebody else
on another Twitter handle who posted an interview of me interviewing Harry. She had
no idea about the KNA thing, and they just intently stumbled across that and
saw, hey, you might like this. It's an interview you did five
years ago. I'm serious, cause I just had this conversation five minutes ago
about Harry Drew, a name that hasn't come up in five years, and
here within five minutes, and she just happens to quincidentally send me that text,
and we were just like, now, come on, and I had
to explained to her the whole story, none of that. She had no
idea about the KNA thing. That's kind of what I'm talking about, something,
you know, things similar to that that it just seems like it's happening
over and over and over. It just can't be chance. It can't be
random. I don't believe that it is. It's so bizarre. And then
yeah, you know, it's it's just constantly. So I'm gonna just ask.
I think we could take calls. Hopefully we have Chanel over there at
kg R A radio, and let's see hopefully she'll respond if if she's she's
listening, hopefully if you can wake up. She may have fallen asleep.
That happened true a lot when I speak, So that could very well be.
Yep, she's listening. I think that might it just won't grow up.
I see the call. Yeah, she's she's booting the computer for that.
So yeah, we can take calls and just it's the computer's booting.
The numbers up on the screen eight five five four seven two five four eight
three, And yeah, I have a you know, I have a lot
of audio listeners. You know, YouTube's a very small part of you know,
the listeners to the show. But you know, we do get up
in the one hundred and fifteen hundred and sixty thousand, you know downloads on
our audio and which is which is is great. But I have a number
of people will write me over the years, well I hope you don't take
offense to it, but you know, your voice puts me to sleep every
every night, hilarious. So hey, as long as I getting bits and
pieces of it's funny though that people then they only know your voice. I
was in a store once and and I was talking to somebody and so but
it came up to me They're like, hey, are you Captain Ron?
And I was like, well, yeah, why why And she's She's like,
well, I don't know what you look like because I've never seen your
face, but I've listened to your show a lot, you know, just
even hear your voice is kind of yeah, well I've got I've got,
you know, since we're taking a little bit of a jag here, I've
got something that I think is really really really nice and sweet and everything.
I had a good friend that we lost last year, Lee Spiegel. Oh
yeah, Lee was at that thing with Travis I told you about on the
Hour. Was absolutely he was a part of that event. Yeah, I
know, he pas it was a shame. Yeah, yeah, Lise was
a wonderful guy. Yes, And his his wife, Lorraine, tells a
story where, you know, years ago, like thirty five years ago,
she's in New York City and she's in her bookstore and she is hearing this
guy talking and she said, are you Lee Spiegel? And you know by
his voice on the radio, he had a you know, he was on
the radio for several years and they fell madly in love with each other,
and thirty years later they got married. They waited thirty years to get married,
but they got married and yeah, finally caves. Yeah. So the
numbers up there, it's eight five five four seven two five four eighty three.
Hopefully Chanel will be ready and to take your call. Anyone I'd like
to call in. Ask our guest guests some questions. Let's hear some other
names of some of the people that would be speaking there. Well, we're
gonna have George Napp. We're going to do a special coast to coast George
and George. Uh, George Napp and George Norri have apparently never been on
stage together, if you can believe that. Oh, how about that?
And these are two legends in broadcasting. Yeah, of course. So we
try to get you know, literally the legends in this community and the new
and upcoming people. We try to get the the you know, old solid
cases covered and the newest, latest information, you know, that kind of
thing. So that's what we try to run the gamut. So we're going
to do a basically and ask me anything with the two of them, and
that's gonna be a lot of fun. And Danny Sheehan's going to be there.
I think he's the most important person in our community. If you're coming
live. That's who I recommend you go see. Daniel Shehan. He will
be giving the latest information. He's working directly with Congress, genuinely making strides
of moving this effort forward. And you can't miss Danny. He's got that
hair. Yeah, yep, yeah. Richard Dolan is a must see.
Of course, Matthew James Bailey is sort of heading up our artificial intelligence track
this year and him and Adam Curry are going to do this live touring test
on Friday night, Wow, where they're gonna, you know, ask questions
and have have some of our other speakers play like almost almost like a game
show. They're going to do a live touring test and then you've got to
decide did a person answer that or did a computer answer that question? See
if you can tell the difference, which would be kind of exciting. So
there's lots lots of that kind of interactive fun things, and of course we
have parties. We have live bands almost every night. We have Adam Apolo
is going to do live DJ for us Friday night, Thursday, Saturday,
Sunday. We're gonna have live bands, which is going to be a lot
of fun. Nine Fingers playing for us They're going to be playing seventies,
eighties, nineties everything, So it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of
fun. Mark d' antonio is gonna be doing another thing on site at night
with his telescope in Arizona as well, which is really Oh yeah, his
skytour thing. All that stuff is so fun and how great to you know
have him taught? He is so good. Yeah, he's a fun guy,
fun guy, always interesting, quirky and that's what I love about him.
Now, did I see you have? Is Dave Foley? Did I
see Dave Foley? Dave Foley is going to be there. He's going to
do his podcast live at our show. We're going to start that new too.
We're doing other you know, we're kind of expanding. We're doing four
different brand new, never before seen documentaries from Darcy Wear and Craig Campa,
Bustle and Ron James and Let's see Kelly Chase and j Christopher King. So
all of those are going to brand new films that have never been seen before
documentaries. Plus we play Hollywood movies outside on the lawn at night. We're
doing like ET Saturday night. Dee Wallace is going to introduce it. She
was the mom in e T. She's going to be there. I mean,
it's just just so m much, you know an event. Yeah,
this seems like much bigger than it's ever been. Is that it is?
It's the ten year anniversary and we kind of just you know, we tried
to camp it at fifty that was our objective. Let's not go over fifty
speakers, and here we are at seventy three. Let's have a movie.
Now we have four documentaries. Now we have three Hollywood movies. We're going
to do live podcasts on site. Kelly Chase is doing her podcast live,
Dave Folly doing his podcast live, the last podcast on the left. Those
guys are incredible. They're into this topic. There are a lot of fun
they're crazy, and they're going to be doing their podcast live. They're going
to do their own panel and they're going to talk about different footage that they've
acquired and give their critiques and their opinions on it. There's just so much
great things they happen. Wow. Wow, Really I hope to be there
next year. Perhaps you've got a a log podcast here too. I'd love
to do that next year. Of course, this year was out because of
just something I had scheduled. But I would love to make it out there
next year. It's been you know, I've been watching this and and grow
and it's been really quite amazing. Almost made it there last year again there
was a little medical situation that couldn't make it. But yeah, it is
growing, and I think you know, they were gone for a while because
you know, they shut down in twenty twenty, they were gone in twenty
one twenty two. We brought it back last year and now now we're kind
of back to full strength. You know, we're going to do the ten
year anniversary, and we have a lot of prominent names in this field,
you know, Jason Martel, William Henry, Andrew Collins. I think Russell
targ the guy's ninety years old and he's still fascinating and he's still got a
lot of you know, how great to be to hear it directly from him.
You know, I just I just find this very exciting, even for
me. Michael Schratt is fascinating, Yeah, Michael, Yeah. Yvonne Smith
All Smith remote viewer, another legendary guy. Tracy Dolan does the remote viewing.
She's going to do as well, yeah, we're gonna have Dwayne Allinger
from the blind Frog Ranch. He's the owner of that ranch, and he
talks about all the incredible things that have happened in his life. Besides the
craziness that's happened on the ranch, what's happened to him personally is far more
fascinating and interesting than the blind Frog Ranch stuff. There is some unique,
mysterious things happening on that ranch. But Gordon and I have gone out to
Dwayne's ranch and hung out with him, and he's shared a lot of personal
stories with us, unbelievable stuff. Now I've heard a little bit about that,
but can you fill in what exactly goes on there typically at the ranch.
Yeah, there's all kinds of anomaly and all kinds of things where they
like, uh, they get they get a metal detector and it goes off.
Then they go to get the tools and they come back and it's not
it's not showing up again. You know, there's always they've discovered tunnels under
there. They think it's possible that, you know, the Aztecs or have
have buried gold all through. I think it's the Aztecs have buried gold in
those Hills and there's different ancient mining claims right on his property. Now where
is that located approximately, It's it's just north of Skinwalker Ranch. It's it's
almost adjacent to Skinwalker. It's like ten minutes away from Skinwalker Ranch. So
he's right there in that same area. And they've had the cattle mutilation on
the property, and they've had all kinds of anomalies and unique things have And
like I said, though, Dwayne himself has had unique things happened in his
life before he even bought the ranch. So you know, you wonder does
that tie into the ranch? Did he bring that with him? You know,
it's it's so hard to say, of course, but but fascinating.
Nonetheless, I had Brandon Fugel on last night on the show. I did
a special show with him, and yeah, you know, one of the
things I asked him, what about your neighbors? You know, I mean
they you know, the paranormal or whatever it is has no boundaries in you
know, And so he does he does talk about that, you know that
things do. That whole region right there in Utah. There's like a bunch
of ranches right there. It's skin Walker and then blind Frog, right right
above them, and and they can only be there. It gets really cold
there, so they have to like shut it down for the winter and stuff
and then they go back. But I had no idea that that that it
got that cold there. Oh yeah, they can't even they close up for
the for the season. Oh. I think it's elevation primarily. Yeah.
Chanelle was in the studio, she's right near there, and she said,
oh, yeah, it snows here. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
yeah. But yeah, that is so weird, you know, I
mean how some things can be regional like that. And I always thought that
was another strange phenomenon when there's hotspots or you know, another thing that's puzzled
me, you know, because I think you might be thinking like I do
as well, or think a lot about this topic. And it's always wonder
I've always wondered why I oftentimes just see the same craft for several days in
the same area or you know, I mean the Belgium, you know wave
when that happened. You know, they kept seeing the same thing in that
area. When it's such a big world to explore. Sure, you know,
why why there? Yeah? And you know, you start thinking about
it logically, like let's say it was from another let's say, planetary system,
and it came maybe maybe you're studying a certain area, or maybe they
have equipment and they're they're able to scan for minerals or yeah, you know,
rare earth minerals, and maybe they're trying to find a certain thing.
You know. It's again, this is such speculative stuff. It's hard to
even guess that. But but you can imagine that that that would happen.
And you do hear these stories of these things reoccurring in certain spaces, right
you know, the Brown Mountain lights. I don't know if they've heard of
those, but there's they speculate because it's a high uh, there's high copper
content in that area, you know, I mean, maybe there is something
to all that same thing. When I was asking Brandon yesterday about you know,
what could be attracting whatever it is to that area that could be geological,
you know, I mean, that could be one of the one of
the things. He felt, no, no, but that was one of
the things that they're exploring. But yeah, I mean, I think,
you know, we he sort of agreed to me. I said, a
lot of things make sense if it's inter dimensional there, you know what I
mean. So he but I think he's open minded to what it, you
know, just still trying to figure out what it is. Absolutely, and
you know, there's like we talked about, younger people are starting to get
interested in this topic. It is certainly feeling more mainstream. It's easier to
talk about this just in the last six years. I feel it's it's better.
And we're seeing we're going to do a panel on the women of ufology.
Oh, that's great. I saw that, which is nice because you
know this is very heavily dominated male exactly, yes, and so it's nice
to see that. And of course we have that, and you know,
we're doing different paranormal anomalies, ancient civilizations. We're going to do a panel
on disclosure, and that's very hot right now. Obviously we have this new
possible whistleblower coming out. We have supposedly a list of four waiting in the
wings. I think there's been three so far that have come forward to some
degree, but that means there's thirty seven more supposedly that have at least expressed
interest in coming out and telling their story. And yeah, I think those
are all direct, first person direct witnesses to an event like that. So
yep, that's really exciting stuff. I mean, all of this stuff is
just so fascinating you don't even know where to where to stop, you know
what I mean. It's like, yeah, well, I got to say,
we're out of time, but I want to thank you so much and
write down in the texts and the show and below in the show notes and
all that you'll find everything you need to find for contact in the desert.
Thank you so much. Thanks Ben, real pleasure, Martin. All right,
take care, all right, next week we'll be back with kas Clark.
We're going to be talking again more about the Pintrick UFO and some more
evidence that she has on that. So check us out next week. Remember
to keep your eyes to the