WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:27.800 Hey everybody, it's Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. Welcome to the 2 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:33.799 triumphant return of bomb Cast Revengeance powered by n DXT. I'm your host, 3 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:40.039 Jan Shoa joining me co captain the Arbiter of the Weekend, Jeff Crubb. 4 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:47.240 Howdy. They are a giant trash can, but they're filled with nothing but 5 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:57.479 vibes and love. Nicky Grayson, you a concord and Plague support. Plague 6 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.520 back up. They've all the ability just look the same because this game is 7 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:07.159 slightly buggy. Seon Turbusha mcdeal audio listeners, Nikki was just vibrating off the 8 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:15.239 shair and I think we I'm putting the word out there. I think we 9 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.400 should get different music for BombCast Revengeance as far as like the the genre. 10 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.480 I don't know what do you what should we aim for? Gamer? Okay, 11 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.879 and more beeps and boops, more beefs and boops. I was I've 12 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.680 really been on a big yacht rock Boston Nova train. Hey, yeah, 13 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:37.280 okay, welcome aboard. I love that so absolutely you were a Boston boy 14 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.879 out there. Yeah, let's sail away with the Bobcast Revengeance theme. It 15 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:49.920 also different, nothing singing someone playing John playing spider Man's playing Spider Man two 16 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.280 now because I would like to video game. I love that. We all 17 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.359 pause and like, wait, wait, was something happened I did game? 18 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.519 I didn't for I didn't think it was going to be called out by the 19 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:05.280 fucking speaker in the controller. We're playing a different, better game. But 20 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:10.240 here we are, folks today. We if you missed ups, shut up? 21 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.639 Okay, all right, that's it for the show anyway, if you 22 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:24.199 trying to hear the controller, if you missed upf We being the four of 23 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:30.360 us checked out along with our dear friend Christian from Argentina, played the beta 24 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:35.520 for Concord, and we're gonna give our quick impressions of them, of of 25 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.520 Concord, not Christian from Argentina. He doesn't want that, I would say, 26 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:45.280 very pleasant. Yes, folks, we we played a couple of rounds 27 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:50.560 and then we played uh we dominated that last mode. Yeah yeah, and 28 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.599 we all finished the last round. Yeah. I was so confident, I 29 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.280 just stopped controlling my character. Yes, Nikki, you were playing on the 30 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.680 PS five and the and I believe the rest of us were playing via esteem 31 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:07.759 Grub and Sean. Y'all were having a little bit of technical trouble. Correct 32 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:14.879 little is understatements. Yet there was a variety of issues. My performance felt 33 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.120 a little off, so I turned down the internal resolution actually to make sure 34 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:22.360 it would run at a higher frame rate kind of consistently. That worked the 35 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.000 frame bringer. Hang on one second, kiddo, shand you take over rot 36 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.719 talk to this kid. Okay, Yeah, so the PC version maybe not 37 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:37.120 a great PC port. Maybe this was a PS five first game that later 38 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.080 on got a PC version once they decided to expand it. Smart thing to 39 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:45.879 do, but this was a weird thing where Jeff was having all the like 40 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.240 performance issues and stuff. I was having the opposite thing where it was running 41 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.080 all right for me. But for a first time in a while, it's 42 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.439 a PC port where I wasn't having performance issues, but I was just having 43 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.439 bugs, Like I was just having a lot of random I had those two. 44 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.719 Yeah, well you have big one, which let's talk about a sec. 45 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.560 But I was getting a lot of UI issues and stuff. As we've 46 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:09.960 discussed on some show recently. I do just have like a one decently sized 47 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.000 monitor, and so I just play put everything in your window on the monitor. 48 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.839 That was fine for me. If you put this game in a window 49 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.319 on PC, the UI just gets cut off. The UI does not scale 50 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:25.319 the U, so I just couldn't see some things. Now do you want 51 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:27.600 do you want to see all of the U? I? Yeah, I 52 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:31.680 doll like two or four characters on the end there on the characters life and 53 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.680 everything that that kind of helped. That is indicative to me of what is 54 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:39.879 going on with the PC port. At least it's the PC port feels like 55 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.519 it's coming in hot under bag, which did just stop working for me in 56 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:49.560 that last match. I think mouse and keyboard on PC did not feel right 57 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:51.720 at all. I could not dial that in. Yeah. I tried a 58 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:57.600 bunch of different sensitivities switching to controller. When I would hit the B button, 59 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.279 that would also activate the start button. And I'm pretty sure certain because 60 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:03.439 that's not happening in any other game plan. Nah. Yeah, that's the 61 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.959 game. And to be clear, you're you're using a bit of controller, 62 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.560 but there's an ex input controller. It should be working to an Xbox controller, 63 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:14.560 which I always have it set to x input. Yeah, I was 64 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:19.560 using Xbox controller and that was just working fine. But then sometimes some buns 65 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:24.240 would not work as well, like the we you know. I eventually found 66 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.759 the Like I was complaining about this while we were playing, but not being 67 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.839 able to see what your character does in the middle of a match. It's 68 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.199 a new game. I need reminders of what my character does here and there 69 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.000 in the Hero shooter, especially if you're bouncing around. And so I found 70 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:40.000 the butt Oh you press left in the D pad or you hold left out 71 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.360 a deep pad that I believe is supposed to show you what your character does. 72 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.160 This wasn't working. I think that was the biden because a sound effect 73 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.720 was going off. Well nothing was showing on screen. Me let me tell 74 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:53.000 you all this. All of this stuff not an issue on the play station 75 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:58.680 five. So I did a couple of counterpoint. The game didn't feel good, 76 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.120 so it was kind of like the technical issues didn't exist, But the 77 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:04.600 part where you played the video game, I didn't have a very good time. 78 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:11.079 It did feel better than the PC version to be though as well. 79 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.920 It was better. It was a lot better. I can clearly tell that 80 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.199 the intended version of the game. But yeah, there was still some small 81 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.360 bugs there too. I wonder why I lucked out because I didn't I had 82 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:25.519 that Ui bug Sean that you had where the abilities were repeating for each character 83 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.399 I pull them up. But like that whole two hour stream, we did 84 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.519 for the most part completely fine, other than the game itself feeling slow. 85 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.079 R Yeah, just inputs felt sluggish for sure. So I mean, for 86 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.160 like, I don't think you're just saying that when when I put so, 87 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.759 I have the mouse with the various sensitivity settings. If I hit this button 88 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:46.240 over and over again, I have one that's very low. If I were 89 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.959 to say, play a game like counter Strike or Valerant or a very twitchy 90 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:53.879 shooter. So whenever I go to that lowest setting on there, it's like 91 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.839 pretty low, but it's it's still moves enough. So if I move my 92 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.759 whole arm, which is kind of what I want, so I have those 93 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.360 really fine precise movements, I can kind of dial in the aiming here. 94 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.920 With moving my whole arm on that lowest setting, it was moving and a 95 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.360 fraction of an inch the radical across the screen. So it's like something. 96 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:13.560 It's just that they are expecting the control or I think, and not really 97 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.160 understanding how miles input might work. So I'm sure I can get in there 98 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.199 and really finagle with the settings and get that stuff dialed in, but I 99 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.519 think baseline, the way that it's working, like right out of the box 100 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.800 just doesn't feel great. Now again felt better on PS five. I just 101 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:34.000 as a five on five hero shooter with various modes. I don't think I 102 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:39.920 hate this game, but I'm not inspired by what I played. I thought 103 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.639 there were some characters that I was beginning to understand, and there was a 104 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:45.720 couple of moments where I'm like, Okay, I'm playing this. This character 105 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.720 that charges in and stomps, and I'm gonna go do that, and I'm 106 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:49.560 gonna tell you I'm gonna go do that. Can you guys just clean up 107 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.519 my mess when I make a mess? And we did that and that was 108 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:56.000 fun, and of course it's great to synergize with your friends in an online 109 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:00.000 video game. I just I'm not like sitting around thinking, Okay, now, 110 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:01.079 what if we did this in this in this? And I think part 111 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.839 of that is when I look at the characters on the menu, I don't 112 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.600 really get their whole thing. I know I can triangle to like see their 113 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.079 abilities, just like in any one of these games, but I kind of 114 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.120 want to like look at a character and immediately understand what's going on with them, 115 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.360 and I really don't hear. So maybe I have to spend more time 116 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.959 with it, but I'm I don't want to. Yeah, And I think 117 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:26.920 something that was particularly tough is that you are the game doesn't because it doesn't 118 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.000 tell you what the classes are, there's no impetus to work towards any sort 119 00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:35.320 of team composition. Yeah. Right, And then because there's no impetus to 120 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.720 work towards team composition, it isn't like you understand where your team is going 121 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:46.960 wrong other than like if you're solo feeding, Like sure, okay, that 122 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:50.919 is fine, but like there were some fights where I was like, the 123 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.200 only reason we lost is because the one character in this game that feels good, 124 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.879 the fire person, just kind of killed three of us. And that's 125 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:05.480 the because she just seems like like her ability set seems so uniquely tuned to 126 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:11.200 you fire her blind that does which does a lot of damage. Because the 127 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.039 health numbers in this game don't make any sense. Yeah, it just seems 128 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.679 like there's no like in Overwatch you have like a shield pool, you have 129 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:24.879 a health pool, and in this game it's just one pool, and the 130 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.639 scaling doesn't make any sense. The time to kill on the tanks is really 131 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.480 low, and then the time to kill on everybody else feels really low also. 132 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:39.080 But yeah, I don't know, it just there's there was not deep 133 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.679 and there was no like none of it felt like it was in concert with 134 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.240 each other. Yeah. Yeah, if you balance a bunch of characters that 135 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.600 exist, Definitely, the balancing you're talking about, or the balancing with a 136 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:56.159 character you're talking about NICKI specifically like felt very off, Like I only played 137 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:01.080 as her for that one round and I shot someone in the face and it 138 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.080 did more than half of their lifebar, which was insane. Meanwhile, the 139 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.639 character is playing at as a lot near the second half of the stream, 140 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.639 Roca, who is a rocket launcher character, shooting a rocket directly at someone's 141 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:20.159 face would do like twenty forty damage. This sniper character headshots would do like 142 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.679 on average, like forty to fifty damage. Uh, yeah, that's weird. 143 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:30.399 I'm and like, I'm selecting Tayo a lot and Tao is Soldier seventy 144 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:31.879 six Call of Duty character. It's what he's supposed to be, Paul, 145 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:37.879 right, and in yeah, Paul rud An Overwatch Soldier seventy six, I'm 146 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.919 basically playing call duty. Yeah, this feels as good or nearly as good 147 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:45.320 as Call of Duty. And I think call of Duty feels very very good. 148 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:50.720 That's not happening here. This is a character that approximates that feeling but 149 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.000 does not really approach it in any real solid way, which is I think 150 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.519 a little bit of a shame. The pedigree of this studio firewalk is a 151 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.919 lot of bungeie people, and I don't know if I was coming away from 152 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.360 any of the guns being like, well, that gunplay felt really great. 153 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.240 I think it was. It's solid and functional and serviceable, especially when I 154 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.600 started playing on PS five. You know, it's interesting you bring up the 155 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.080 bungee comparison, because there's parts of this that do feel a kind of floaty, 156 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.720 like early Destiny, like in parts of Halo where even though there is 157 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.720 an aim down sight's button, I never I never used it, you know, 158 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:31.360 Like I was always just like blind firing or firing straight off of the 159 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.000 hip. How did the other abilities other than the shooting land I don't know 160 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.120 what they did most of the time, Well, unless it was super obvious. 161 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.960 One of the characters built a wall, Yeah, right, that was 162 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:50.360 obvious. What did the left bumper on the fairer character. That's the blind 163 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.799 that does like a third of the health bar's worth of damage, and then 164 00:11:52.840 --> 00:12:00.240 they can't see the right Okay, the right bumper throws down a line like 165 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:05.039 a wall of fire on that seat does damage on impact, and then there's 166 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.039 an aoi on the ground. And then also she has a crossbow that fires 167 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:15.480 these little golden snitches of fire, and then you hold The game doesn't tell 168 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:18.840 you this, I don't think, maybe because I didn't read this what the 169 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:28.159 sweat sweats what was it called the sweatt on the sweat But I didn't read 170 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:35.360 the full sweatstroom. But if you held aim down sites it charged it to 171 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:43.039 do more Dama did, which is why sometimes it would just pop three guys 172 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.480 at the same time. Got it. Yeah, Uh, It's interesting to 173 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.679 bring up the studio itself, because man if I didn't know the pedigree of 174 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.840 the people working on this, like to be harsh for a second, I 175 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.240 would have thought this is like a team's first attempt at shooter. Like a 176 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.799 lot of it feels very obligatory, like when Jeff said that you have what's 177 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.120 the name Tao or whatever, he feels like, oh, we need to 178 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:15.519 have our Call of Duty esque Soldiers six style character, and that just feels 179 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.399 off to me because so much the I think the word of the day for 180 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.720 me is that's not intuitive, Like how intuitive is everything here? And I 181 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.080 just wasn't gained that feeling from so much of what we're doing. When when 182 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:33.120 it comes to characters, this is a hero shooter. You need to be 183 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.399 able to look at the character and tell what they do. And so you'll 184 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.960 have like, obviously we're gonna keep comparing this Overwatch. It's a hero shooter. 185 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.320 It's what we're gonna do. Uh, and of course we've played you 186 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.879 know, for two hours right right, review or anything like that. Impressions 187 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.799 from playing a little bit. When you have like a character like Mercy and 188 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.519 Overwatch, you look at her as like, oh, angelic healer, got 189 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.480 it like stick stick with the angel with the Angel, Yes can, but 190 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:05.879 you very clearly can fly. Even characters who are a little more unique, 191 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.360 like say Lucio, and it's like, well, what does a DJ do? 192 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.159 Doesn't matter? You know, music theme character, okay, sound AoE 193 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.879 stick like near him and around him, and you may not necessarily tether to 194 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.919 him like a Mercy Ryan Hart, big dude, with a giant shield. 195 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.320 What do you do stand behind the shield and shoot out from behind something you 196 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:31.120 cannot do in this game shield with the power with the with the four shield 197 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.720 in this game like the trash Robot vacuum cleaner guy. Uh so the idea 198 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.720 was someone's shooting at you and you use the vacuum cleaner to suck up those 199 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.480 bullets. But they were still shooting me, like basically they were just shooting 200 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.120 my ankles. Right, Yes, it's like that. It's like the titan 201 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.159 Fall Vortex shield. Yeah, it's Avortex shield. Yeah, so I don't 202 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.039 think it has the same like visual easy to understand what's going on this that 203 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.639 the Vortex shield in Titanfall two has, which is I immediately got that here. 204 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.519 I'm okay, I I think I get it. But I'm gonna go 205 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:03.080 out here and I'm gonna try to suck up the bullets from this guy that's 206 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.679 trying to shoot me, and now he knows what's happening, so he's just 207 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.039 gonna shoot my legs and I died and that sucks, for lack of a 208 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.879 better words. I also know with that guy, his one of his abilities 209 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.279 is to put a trap on the ground that covers you on the ground. 210 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.960 So that's what the idea there. You have your weapon covering you in front 211 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.679 and the gadget covering you on the ground. But that doesn't feel intuitive. 212 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.519 Is again the problem. It didn't immediately click with me that that's why I 213 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.480 need to be doing, need to be setting up traps to defend us and 214 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.440 then also consciously block the bolts in front of us. It just felt odd. 215 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.840 The other thing that felt very odd across the board, no matter what 216 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:50.919 character I tried, was the dodge roll or dodge mechanic circle. It just 217 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.519 I know that there was an ability for some of them, but it just 218 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:58.720 didn't feel good or particularly useful, and it isn't deeply unclear to what ex 219 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:07.759 Then it's not consistent What that button double press does is not consistent character to 220 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.440 characters. Some characters it's like, oh, I will slightly move over a 221 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:14.600 foot and a half. Some characters it's like, oh, I will do 222 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.879 a cartwheel to the side. Some characters, it turns you invisible when you 223 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.879 do side the pink person. Ye, the pink person goes invisible when you 224 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:27.360 do the double top dodge on the tanks it does it feels like it does 225 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:32.000 nothing, don't even have it some of yeah, some of the things don't 226 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.480 have it, like and it's not particularly clear when and why. Yeah, 227 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:45.519 the daw character one of the healers. Yeah, one of the backup were 228 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.799 and we're assuming backups still just being support vaguely, well, but that a 229 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.720 mental advanced character. That's what I think, that's what I would be called 230 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:56.799 if that's the case, Jeff, I have no idea because there was no 231 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.600 consistency to what the backups were at on Twitter. Letst if anyone respond to 232 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.400 you guys keep going. Well, but yeah, I at first I thought 233 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.319 like maybe backups is like support characters, but some of the other characters with 234 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.559 like team healing abilities were not in that little pool. But like with digital 235 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:19.200 audio windows, I suppose he was the like main like healer centric character. 236 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.119 But then you also have, uh, what's her face? The old lady 237 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.519 who like puts up the wall and everything. Well, that's just that's just 238 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.000 an offensive character, is it? Like, yeah, I don't know, 239 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:33.720 like maybe just right about that, but it's just it's very unclear. But 240 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.519 with with Dawes Dodge, he like emitted like a little bit of a healing 241 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.319 pulse was it a pulse. I thought it was just a self heal. 242 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.839 It looked like he was a pulse because like there was an aura about him 243 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.119 and not like a cool kind of aura. Now this sucks. There's a 244 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:56.319 company called Concord that does data backups and that's not helping great CEO. Yeah, 245 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.599 I feel I feel bad because when you know, I fire the game 246 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.519 up, looked at the cut scene. I enjoy some of the character designs. 247 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.240 I kind of got over that like cheesy Guardians of the Galaxy ness that 248 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:12.400 was presented in that trailer, and then game feel bad. Yeah that's something 249 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:17.119 that Look, we're all kind of down on the game in general, but 250 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.319 say, looks good. It's really good. Yeah. Well, and I 251 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.000 mean how over like taken out by the story? Are you all? Are 252 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:32.720 you guys just thinking what's you know? Yeah? What's it for? Yeah? 253 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:34.880 It's like it would I would, I would feel it just seems like 254 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.200 a multiplayer game. It's remember when Titan Fall one came out and there was 255 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:42.680 no story, and this story was like built into the you have to listen 256 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:48.039 to the story through like the cut. Like the chirps in the multiplayer games, 257 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.200 it feels like they course corrected to the opposite of that, where it's 258 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.720 like, oh, there's a bunch of cut scenes, but there's no story 259 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:57.279 in the bombs themselves. To me, it felt like another thing that is 260 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:03.839 obligatory. We're all all these service games had these characters that you really love, 261 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.960 and so they're putting out all these CJI cut scenes and like, look 262 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.799 at they're charging forty dollars for this. I was going to bring that out. 263 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:14.000 Yeah, well we can talk about that a second too. But like 264 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.640 you look at our recent release with a Zemless Zone zero A you know, 265 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.480 story driven. It's a kind of an action RPG more on an action game. 266 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:23.920 But with all those cut scenes, you know, some people will absolutely 267 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.359 skip through them. I think they're here on the call with me does But 268 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.480 also you have people like me who do want to like see these like well 269 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:36.680 designed characters doing their thing. The problem is with the multiplayer shooter, you 270 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.920 need to have people fall in love with the characters organically and want to know 271 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.319 more. You can't push the story on them to begin with. It feels 272 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:51.079 like such a weird misunderstanding of what people want from a multiplayer shooter right. 273 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:55.799 The tone that the trailer dropped and how the beta kind of begins. It 274 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.640 assumes a lot of the player that you already. It assumes like that the 275 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.319 player already has a level of familiarity with all of these characters and is fond 276 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:08.559 of them, rather than like any type of like flashy introduction and I mean 277 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:15.599 like or or organically building up that type that real relationship with the specific characters. 278 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.960 Like TF two, I didn't quite care about any of the characters, 279 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.559 but over time, you lores starting to drop, I start to build like 280 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.880 an affinity towards specific characters, and then excitement bills are like, oh, 281 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.680 I do want to know what the pirates like, I do want to know 282 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.720 what the spy is like, and like the way that it kind of for 283 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.160 right now, it feels like we're being force fed of like you love these 284 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.160 guys. These characters are great, they're your best friends. It's like, 285 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:42.200 I'm kind of cool. Feels like they're coming on too strong. Yeah, 286 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:45.240 you need the characters to also back that up, which I don't think the 287 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.240 character designs are all that great, you know, like I think some of 288 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:55.279 them are cool. From it doesn't the thing that when we because we went 289 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:59.160 through them at the beginning of upf which you can watch if you want to 290 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.440 see the game get But like I, it just doesn't seem like they are 291 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.359 they are cohesive, right, It just seems like they came from different places. 292 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.240 Like the task was make twenty guys, and then they made twenty guys 293 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.880 and they didn't check to see if the guys looked like each other. Right, 294 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:22.319 we have twenty different Guardians of the Galaxy where it has a ragtag group 295 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.720 of like do you know, just mishmashed together. But the problem is in 296 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:29.680 a hero shooter, it feels like you won't have consistency. Whereas you know 297 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.400 again Overwatch, like you look at Tracer, Tracer is a cool character. 298 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.440 You want to learn more about Tracer. You see like widow Maker pop up 299 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.799 in the initial reveal with her. You want to know what's the story going 300 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.440 on here? Why do they hate each other? Because there's these tool two 301 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:48.839 really cool looking characters going at it, just fighting it out. You start 302 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.920 seeing like Soldier and Reaper popping up. It's like, yeah, you know 303 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.920 what great character designs who have a it's very clear what they are supposed to 304 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:03.559 do. This just feels yeah, not night. Yeah. I think from 305 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.599 like day one of this this game being revealed, or at least the trailer 306 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.599 where we met and kind of saw the tone of how they're presenting it. 307 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:12.759 You know, Guardians of the Galaxy has been the constant comparison, right. 308 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.160 Something looming in the horizons is Marvel Rivals, which is going to be a 309 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.640 free to play game that's going to have the character recognition for sure of like 310 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.559 people knowing like, oh, I know this Marvel character, I know Magneto, 311 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:27.880 I know Spider Man. And also with it being free to play, 312 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:36.319 I do it's do you think that games like Marvel Rivals will kind of eat 313 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.599 its lunch? Also grub You played Star wars Hunters, Yeah, you know 314 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:45.920 what roster pretty similar to Star wars Hunters for real? No, well, 315 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:51.720 okay, I think that like this is still in the top tier of like 316 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:53.759 character designs for one of these kinds of games. It's not as good as 317 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.119 Overwatch, but it's in that tier with Overwatch when you compare it to like 318 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:02.279 think of a you guys remember that game Rogue Company, like something like like 319 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.319 oh yeah, okay, had memorable characters, but go like look it up 320 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.000 and look at his cast of characters, and it's like that's the kind of 321 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.200 generic roster you can expect from a lot of these kinds of games. What 322 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:18.920 about Paladin's Palette, same company, Actually yeah, wait, really yeah company, 323 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:23.039 they really had one idea and said it's not even our idea. No 324 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.640 I And like, I don't I'm not like trying to like stunt on high 325 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.200 res or something like that, but like, I think that these characters are 326 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.519 good enough to to the point where I really like some of these uh. 327 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:40.119 And I think the comparison to the Guardians of the Galaxy will wear off pretty 328 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:41.880 fast. By the time I was like three matches in, I stopped thinking 329 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:48.279 about that. Those initial like pepsi challenge like reactions that people have fade really 330 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.759 quick, and then the things that will like stand up to it is like, 331 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.559 are the character synergy's interesting to people even care about doing that in the 332 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:57.279 first place. And I'm that's where I'm like, I'm not sure if people 333 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.559 are gonna care about that. We certainly had a moment, but it's like 334 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.880 I was not feeling really compelled beyond I just don't want to die, So 335 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.200 it's maybe we could do a little bit better try some of this stuff. 336 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.400 And then I just think that the like the story campaign stuff. Bank people 337 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.680 probably will stop paying attention to that pretty quickly. I do think that is 338 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.720 an excuse to charge forty dollars for the game, and then once they get 339 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.519 past that sort of initial phase, that'll take a back seat because no one's 340 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.400 really going to be thinking about that for ninety eight percent of the time that 341 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.200 they're inside of this game. Maybe the cut scene place the next time they 342 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.240 started up, but that's not really going to be what this thing thrives or 343 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.720 dies on. Yeah. Firing up this game though, and knowing that it 344 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:40.279 has a forty dollars price tag, my mind just shifts of I could be 345 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.119 playing something else, and that something else is like it's not just bouncing back 346 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.720 to a game like Overwatch. It's like, oh there's any hold Diver's two 347 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.319 still there, Hell Divers too? But or like, hey, I still 348 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.319 have Titan Fault Too installed on my computer? Oh sure, and like that 349 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.359 is a game that just as everyone should gen Yeah, yes, yes, 350 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:02.720 every computer should have Titan and so come with it. I did look up 351 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:04.799 in the how to play section on the thing that we were like, what 352 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.039 is all this text? I found a reference to backups? Do you guys 353 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:12.559 look at the customized crew and crew builder. You see that option in the 354 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:17.000 menus, there's an option for a crew builder, and this seems to be 355 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:22.119 like you get variations on the characters, so you could build your own crew 356 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:23.880 that might include like doubles of the same characters. So you know that mode 357 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.680 we played where it's like you could only pick that character once. Yeah, 358 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.319 yeah, you can then like if that that first one gets wiped out, 359 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.839 you can pick them again. And as you increase your reputation of your crew, 360 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.640 I think either as a player, I think as a player, you 361 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:42.920 get more backup slots so you can have even more characters potential. Basically, 362 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.039 I think so yes, And I think it's kind of probably not functioning in 363 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.319 the beta the way it's going to in the final game when all of the 364 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:53.839 modes are unlocked. But I don't know, it's weird. I think what's 365 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.599 happening is there's gonna be a lot of other stuff like that that that ways 366 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:02.759 that people engage with this game that we not engage with it. I personally 367 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.880 am coming out of this beta the little bit that we've played of it, 368 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.359 not necessarily curious to go through that experience with a game to like find out 369 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.519 all the things that wants to offer me. Some people probably will find something 370 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.279 here. Because I don't think it's a bad game, it's just kind of 371 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:19.319 turning me off in some fundamental ways. Yeah, it feels I see the 372 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.839 polish behind it, at least graphically, but it just feels a little soulless. 373 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.319 Yes, I agree with that. Yeah. To me, it feels 374 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:32.160 like I'm very willing to trial oft free to play games that come out just 375 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:33.599 in passing, because I'm like, yeah, why not, like, because 376 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.240 this is easy for me to get my friends into. Maybe we'll hit something 377 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.319 that will end up playing for years to come, just like here and there. 378 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:47.920 So when I played this, it unfortunately does feel like one of those 379 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.000 yet another free to play game where yeah, but forty dollars exactly. And 380 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:57.799 that's the problem. Why forty dollars is it just feels like such a mistake 381 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:02.960 to me, I don't know why you felt the need to charge. Is 382 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.519 it just because we'd PlayStation, We're gonna charge a premium that does a game 383 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.880 like Hell Divers just feels so much more justified to me, even if you 384 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.680 look at what you're actually doing in that game, And sure, there is 385 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.839 a lot of the same stuff. You kind of look at you and say, 386 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.920 like, okay, this this comes from a place of Triple A design, 387 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.279 even if it's not of that scale necessarily. Maybe it is more double 388 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:30.000 A adjacent than what we what we think of from PlayStation. You know, 389 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.759 you got of Wars and whatnot there, like insane big budget games. Last 390 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.279 of Us isn't everything like that, So yeah, I don't know that. 391 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:42.319 There's just a huge disconnect there for me. Yep, it over how slow 392 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:49.799 the tank was. Yeah, the tanks, you know, but I shouldn't 393 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:55.440 get to fights last Yeah, that feels really bad unless you playing the dude 394 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.839 who physically has a charge you can get out in front. But like you 395 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.400 know, this is a hero shooter, this is a team shooter, and 396 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.160 grub I think you, like you said it perfectly there. It doesn't feel 397 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.519 like there's a lot of synergy happening right, Like they're just notage. I 398 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.000 don't feel encouraged to syenergize. Well, but I think there's probably stuff there. 399 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.359 I think the developers and designers almost certainly came up with plenty of synergies 400 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.960 that they thought of, but they aren't occurring naturally in the middle of game, 401 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.240 like in the way that like you kind of stumble into them on overlap 402 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.680 and they're like, wait, wait, we have to let's try to do 403 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:30.000 that next time, Like pharmacy not anymore because whatever, we don't need to 404 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.319 talk about it. But like, right, but like when you looked at 405 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:38.680 Farah and Mercy, even if you weren't reading up on anything, you looked 406 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.599 at Farah who was in the sky, and then you looked at Mercy, 407 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:48.039 who has an ability where she can press a button to go to anybody at 408 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.440 any time, and you say, oh, I think I can fly in 409 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.039 the air forever as long as Farah is in the air if I'm Mercy, 410 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.559 and then you try it and it works, and then that like that's how 411 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.680 you build that kind of yeah, that interplay because none of the and I 412 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.599 think Sean you mentioned this at the beginning. You can't look at any of 413 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.160 these characters other than the trash can and be like, I know what this 414 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.640 person does. Yeah, but looking at the trash can and like seeing that 415 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.279 like he's using a vacuum device like as another player, like I don't know 416 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.559 how to help you or how you help me specifically. That's true too, 417 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.559 right, and and like that's like that's the tank. Should we be behind 418 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.039 them? I mean, I don't know. I don't think so, because 419 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.279 then then they just stop shooting the tank and they start shooting all the other 420 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.599 people, and then it just goes past the vacuum clean. And the reason 421 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.400 why I brought up synergy again real quick is just like, you know, 422 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.599 Lucio helps tanks reach the front line super fast, right, you know, 423 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:48.359 like that with like his little speed boost or ability switching like the music cue, 424 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.960 And it didn't seem like there was any point where another character could help 425 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.039 another character move faster, and like there was one point where we found out 426 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.559 Nicky could give us shields, but then like that quickly just went away. 427 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.960 Yeah, and I just think it's legibility really is the thing. The legibility 428 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.559 at the character select screen. Sure, but even like in the matches, 429 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.039 and again going back to some of these other free to play games, you 430 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.200 will these other shooters, you'll see a character do something against you, and 431 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.119 then you'll be like, oh, I fully understand how trading works now, 432 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.119 I get it. Yeah, I did see the tracer character here. It 433 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.720 took me multiple times to be like, oh, okay, they're throwing a 434 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.359 device down, so it's kind of like Cemetra and Tracer and then and then 435 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.680 they're gonna go back to that and it just looked janky and weird, and 436 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.960 I did My first thought wasn't oh, here's how I used that. I'm 437 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.759 like, wait, I still don't wait, what's happened? We had we 438 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.119 had a fight where we were like, okay, let's all actually move in 439 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.119 and try to use our abilities. At the same time, we had a 440 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.799 fight where we started the fight and then everyone's abilities went off, and then 441 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.880 we thought that we did well in the fight, but then like all of 442 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.759 two kills, but then the particle effects went away, and then we were 443 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:03.039 like, did we do anything anything right away? Like I don't know if 444 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.160 anything, Like I don't know if anything came out of all the particle effects 445 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.680 going off. When is this supposed to come out, like August? August, 446 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.559 yeah, assume. I think what it does feel like is it's going 447 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.519 to be maybe a rough first couple of months, and it's going to need 448 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.559 that public feedback period. It's I kind of wish it was getting like an 449 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.559 early access or something. And then I mean, maybe they have big feedback 450 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.200 from this beta and they fix a lot of stuff. But that is a 451 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.279 short turnaround. You helped me remember something that was trying to get out there. 452 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.680 I know I rambled there for saying, but the point I was trying 453 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.000 to get at is player expectation. Like when a person plays a hero shooter 454 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.279 like this, they have certain expectations of how things are done. They have 455 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.559 certain expectations of what you do in the game, what abilities do, what 456 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.279 inputs do, so on, so forth and so much. This game does 457 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.960 feel like they are afraid of being the same as something else, and so 458 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.359 they try something different just for the sake of being different. And that comes 459 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:02.599 down to character design, the structure of some of the modes, just the 460 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.039 way that abilities and characters work in general. Feels like, Oh, we 461 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:13.400 need to distance ourselves from this archetype, so let's do it in this way. 462 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.240 It's often a way that doesn't feel as good. And that comes back 463 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.279 to something that I've been saying a lot for a lot of different games recently. 464 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.240 If a developer has solved the system, just use that system. If 465 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.240 a developer has figured out something that players like, just do what players like. 466 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.200 Don't try to go out of your way to be different, because it's 467 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:38.240 a high risk and often low reward chance when they could have just made a 468 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:44.839 fun take on Overwatch, especially in a time when people don't feel good about 469 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.640 Overwatch. If they had just come in and this game could have just been 470 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.200 Hey, remember what Overwatch used to be. Yeah, we're just doing that 471 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.960 because we know there's a hole for that in gaming right now. We're just 472 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.200 putting that out there. And the fact that they're not is I think a 473 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.680 real mist up, especially if they are charging a premium for it and you 474 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.359 don't have ultimates, right, Yeah, it's it's weird. No ultimates. 475 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.680 No, just class delineation as well of like, you know these people here, 476 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.920 right even just on the character select screen, just tell me this person. 477 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:15.960 These people are all offense. These people are support, These people are 478 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.039 healers. That's all you need. Yeah, yeah, yeah, folks. 479 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.400 So we loved it. There were there were moments where I was having fun. 480 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:28.680 But yes, there are moments, right, I run into that issue 481 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.720 of am I having fun with this game because it is legitimately fun? Or 482 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.640 am I having fun because I'm playing with people that I know? You know, 483 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.039 yeah, if I weren't playing with you all, or if I weren't 484 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.279 playing with you know, the Monday night Call of Duty home. He's like, 485 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.920 I think I just would not be having a good time with this game 486 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.880 like I did when I try a couple of matches off stream. I was 487 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.279 like, this just feels bad. The other part that also feels bad is 488 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.799 I feel like we've gone to a place in shooters in general where pinging is 489 00:33:53.920 --> 00:34:00.319 very important. Being able to message our teammates is essential, and it was 490 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.200 just very difficult to try and find how to do that with any of y'all, 491 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.960 and I know, speaking like over chat, but even then we're still 492 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:10.920 bumbling as to like where an enemy is approaching, or where the targets middle 493 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.840 middle mouse button to to to ping on keyboard and mouse, it's the same 494 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.960 pad on play on dual Sense, and it's the select button on that selection. 495 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.639 But sure, sony, all right. I was like, I started 496 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.840 like moving my left thumb off of the stick to start hitting it, because 497 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:30.599 I like, what else was going to do to remap that? Right? 498 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.960 I wish, Hey, at least you can to remap, Yeah, at 499 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.440 least, But it's the prince, it's the principle. It's the principle of 500 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.559 it, of it all you know, you should have that figured out the 501 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:44.679 kid. Yes, I think there's a chance that this game does still get 502 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.960 an audience. It's I just don't think this is probably not going to be 503 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.840 like a hell Diver situation or anything close to. And I think I really 504 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.159 do believe that PlayStation needs to figure out a way get this in more people's 505 00:34:55.159 --> 00:35:00.280 hands. If make this free with PlayStation Plus, and I do you not 506 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.519 mean as a PS plus game, I mean make it free with PlayStation Plus. 507 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.159 The thing that console players need to buy to play this game. They 508 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.880 didn't they do this with Destruction All Stars. Also, yeah, they did 509 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.119 that with the Last Minute too. Yeah, it was it was sixty bucks 510 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.360 and then it was free. Yeah yeah, and then it became a Plus 511 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.360 game during the first month. Yeah, maybe they'll do that, But like 512 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.440 that does raise the question of if they're charging forty dollars, do you think 513 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:37.000 they have a monetization plan outside of that? Is it just probably it's cosmetics. 514 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.360 Well that's the thing though I didn't really see a path for that, 515 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.960 probably because it's the beta. Well, so I think that's that goes back 516 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.880 to the Crew Builder, where it's like so part of the choosing different characters. 517 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.000 Apparently these are variants of each character and they have different passive abilities, 518 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.920 so they'll feel different, and so you might be able to dress them up 519 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.599 different and have your you know, here's my crew that I select from, 520 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.000 and here's this one and they have this ability and they're just like this. 521 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.360 I think they want to emphasize the cosmetics in that way. Whether or not 522 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.480 that works, I mean, god, I have no idea, like, 523 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.360 well that sounds good for the individual player if you were just teaming up with 524 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.360 a bunch of randoms where you're expecting like this character to behave like exactly and 525 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.920 suddenly it's like, oh, you're not in the sky. You've become a 526 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.159 shark. But that's why I think, like, it's just passive ability. 527 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.719 So I think, right, so you can't even be that different. So 528 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.400 I think they're like, well, it's not going to be the way different. 529 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.280 Apparently the variants change passive abilities. Let me look at this purple character 530 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.320 rule. Well what I meant. What I meant was not like, do 531 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.239 you think they'll have a battle pass? Obviously? Well, why meant was 532 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.960 these characters don't seem appealing enough to me that I would want to buy their 533 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.800 Halloween skin or that would want to. I feel that way about like all 534 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.480 kinds of stuff, and all kinds of stuff still sell. So I mean, 535 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.800 I feel like there's no accounting pertain. Well you can't. You can, 536 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.559 you know, slap you can slap a holiday skin on like a beloved 537 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.280 character like Tracer, and people will eat it up. I don't see myself 538 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:04.519 buying alternate trash can or like alternate Well, if it was the trash can 539 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:10.159 from Disneyland, then maybe make it like a washing machine or something. But 540 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.920 at that point, I feel like that Also, I don't know. The 541 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.920 going with a Guardian's of the Galaxy adjacent art style, I feel like also 542 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.599 makes that hard because you can only get so silly with it is the problem. 543 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.159 I don't know. I just as an aside, I tried to open 544 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.280 the game against so I could look at some of these skins, and I 545 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:35.599 think the game uninstalled itself because I didn't. I did not uninstall it ending 546 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.199 thinks this weekend. Yeah, but I opened the game in and now it's 547 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.440 not here anymore. So okay, all right, Well Concord just knew better. 548 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.519 Now I'm looking at these two different characters, or to two different versions, 549 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.559 and they have the same passive ability, which, by the way, 550 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.360 passibility on this Linux guy. If you empty your weapon quickly and then switch 551 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.599 the other weapon while the other weapons in your pocket, it'll reload. That's 552 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.800 cool. I wish I would have known that. Sure, Yeah, I 553 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.599 will probably play this a few more times over the week. Yeah, well, 554 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.239 maybe we'll talk about it again on the BombCast next week, so we'll 555 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.920 see. I think there's any different feelings then, I'm still interested to see 556 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.719 what the completed product will look like. You know, maybe different game modes 557 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.639 will wind up clicking better. I don't know. This still isn't what I 558 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.760 was searching for in that like quick, fast paced, yeah shooter that I 559 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.320 occasionally crave that as like a little bit shorter than a game of Fortnite or 560 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.159 whatever. Yeah, I think the pacing upon that. I think it's that 561 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.880 worked, Like the matches aren't too long, the matches or what they never 562 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.480 never more than ten minutes, right, Yeah, it just wasn't Star Wars 563 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.440 Hunters where it's never more than like five minutes. But yeah, yeah, 564 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.239 I think that they have a base here that they can build on. I 565 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:51.360 hope they do. I hope like this probably won't happen, but I frankly 566 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.320 wish it would get pushed out if they take a lot of feedback from SPATA 567 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.679 and can quickly identify, oh, this is what we need to change. 568 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.719 We can do this, Okay, we'll make move and feel better in this 569 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.960 way. If then you figure all that stuff out, I think they have 570 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:06.440 something here, and I know, as negative as I've been, I don't 571 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.599 want the game to fail or anything, But it's just a question of why, 572 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.119 why why, Yeah, who is this for? Why are you putting 573 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:17.719 this out? It almost kind of feels like, oh, PlayStation players need 574 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.639 a multiplayer shooter, and it's like, well, guess what they do have 575 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:24.199 overwatched, they do have Call of Duty, they have all these games that 576 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.599 are on all the platforms as well, but like they're just gonna go to 577 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.039 those, So yeah, you need to you need to incentivize me to play 578 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.400 a game. It feels very weird to like have this character shooter and then 579 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.199 you know, assume the player has all this familiarity with like brand new characters 580 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.239 that we've never heard of, Like why not try and adapt an existing available 581 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:49.280 sony ip you know, like throwing a ratcheting, like throwing a ratchet and 582 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.599 clank, right, yeah, and then like there it's it's easily even if 583 00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:00.440 everyone is longbackses or whatever, the weapons in the weapon design could be different 584 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.119 enough where it's like, oh, he's got the vacuum. I mean, 585 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.800 PlayStation honestly has enough characters who shoot guns that they could have just made this 586 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.360 a PlayStation All Stars type of thing. That Nathan Drake doesn't have a shirt 587 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:16.440 tucked in. He's a keeler. That's how you know. I did just 588 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.719 see someone tweet though, Do you guys see that Joe Biden called Concord guardians 589 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:25.920 of the Galaxy. He'll never be president. Spider Man two still good though, 590 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.719 Yeah, I forgot that you can fly in this one. Yea, 591 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.480 they just let you They made a Superman game. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, 592 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:42.079 well that Those were our early impressions on the Concord beta. If you 593 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.159 have and you know what, if you like it, I'm happy for you. 594 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.280 Yeah, I'm happy for you. I wish I liked it more, 595 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.400 but it's not one of those things where I don't get it. I get 596 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.119 it. Just for me. It felt sluggish and bad, but we'll see, 597 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:57.079 Like never if this is your first hero shooter because you've been too intimidated 598 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.599 to check out Overwatch, Valorant whatever else have you? By all means, 599 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.840 I hope this is your jam. I'm interested to see how the developers are 600 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.480 going to adapt based off of feedback from this beta, and then when uh, 601 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.400 because it's a weird playing field right now for this type of game, 602 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.280 right yeah, right, it feels like there's an opportunity for a game like 603 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.119 this right now, yeah, space, So I'm curious as to how they 604 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.760 will play with that, and then when Marvel Rivals eventually drops, because I 605 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:28.480 think that beta is coming in the near near sure, yeah, because the 606 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.760 game that game also is coming out this year, right yeah, yeah, 607 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.639 So I'm curious to see if that one sticks to landing to or if it 608 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.000 will be in our situation like this, Well we've seen this, well what 609 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.480 are you really doing for me? Right right? And I who knows if 610 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.199 like the Marvel Juice has still has enough to it And I know people are 611 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:50.320 experiencing fatigue, but like we'll see, we'll see you in a couple of 612 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.079 bits. Yeah, and folks, that about does it for BombCast Revenge. 613 00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:00.000 It's a little shorty today. Uh, we're just talking about Concord Regular program. 614 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.880 I mean as per huge. Next week I might be here, Jeff 615 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.800 back Lar won't be here, but the team is gonna hold the fort down. 616 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.960 Bring me back something that has Piman Pickman. Okay, what else does 617 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.679 everyone else want? I don't know how I'm gonna get these gifts that I 618 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:22.840 want. A real Pickman has them in the lab, real grub Pickman, 619 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:30.280 Nikki real Pickman. While I'm asking real fake Pickman. I hate that. 620 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:36.400 If you had a real Pickman, well, do you would you hate it? 621 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.400 Because I don't well, I don't know if I would hate it. 622 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.400 Well, I here's the thing. If you have a real Pickman and it 623 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.719 dies, you don't feel anything when a when a video game Pickman dies. 624 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.440 But if you only have one, if you only have one Pickman and it 625 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.920 dies and you get to see the little soul come out, then it's like, 626 00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.920 oh, well that was the last. But yes, but yes, 627 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.000 absolutely, but it's the only one you get. How long do they live 628 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.280 naturally my game? Not very long? Well? Well, then, okay, 629 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:15.000 do they have a share do Pickman have a shared consciousness? Well, 630 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.360 they all know what I'm doing when I press the analog stick and say go 631 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.679 in that direction. So you know, I think I think maybe the per 632 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.800 color they have a shared statement. Okay, so they like protect the hive 633 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.159 and stuff. Yeah, so the red ones all the yellow ones all think 634 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:37.760 that. What dude, where did you get that in your crutch? Anyway? 635 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:52.639 Concord about it? God, I got I forgot that. Okay, 636 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.280 I'm going to keep playing Zendly Zone zero. This is my problem zero. 637 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.639 I'm not going to pull anything. I'm going to keep stabbing that up. 638 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.079 And when I come back, Jim like, look, I didn't want. 639 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.280 I don't want to cut you off for the sake of content. But that's 640 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.039 the first mistaken gotcha. You save up until you your premiere life appears in 641 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.119 the roles. Come on, that's all I want. That's all I want, 642 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.159 Sean. I like, I keep seeing pictures of this like made Shark, 643 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:20.400 and I'm like, damn, what am I into? Now? I 644 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.679 know that has grown evolved, but like wow, yeah, wow, folks, 645 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.280 that about does it for BombCast revengeance. If someone is in a Boston 646 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.360 Nova band, hit me up please, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm 647 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:38.639 gonna miss y'all because that's what travel SA get on the YouTube music or appen 648 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.039 music whatever you use, and download a Boston Nova video game playlist right now 649 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.159 on a plane. Lots of good video game Boston Nova music. I I'm 650 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:52.280 only going to take my analog pocket. Give me recommendations to play on a 651 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.000 ten thirteen hour flight. Hell yeah, okay, not right now, but 652 00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.599 in the you know, in the nearcoming future. I don't want to read 653 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.599 a book. No, not right now. Have books. So they gave 654 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:07.760 boy, Yeah the Bible. Okay, cool, I'll go, folks, 655 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.840 I'm gonna go download the Bible after this. I've been jad they've been doing 656 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.079 already. Have the Bible. You're such a bad Catholic part time baby. 657 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.519 He's been grabbing, he's been terbo shun and you have been beautiful. Thank 658 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:22.280 you for another beautiful week here at GiantBomb dot com. If you missed anything 659 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:23.880 from earlier this week, go check it out. It's all great stuff. 660 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:30.559 Blake Club probably returning Wednesday, probably, I want to say, and a 661 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.000 bunch of fun stuff planned. Uh. Sean is gonna go out on assignment 662 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.280 soon. That's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great fight Sean. Uh 663 00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:45.480 yes, And for work, I don't know, literally shooting for work. 664 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.559 There we go there we go. We'll see you then, I love you. 665 00:45:51.679 --> 00:46:00.840 Take care, Boston Nova Music, Pocket Burrito, everyone go get that 666 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:10.519 squid word. Brown Bound, Brown Barn Better, Bigger the BLA