WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:05.919 Pay their skeptics and Thanksgiving enthusiasts get ready for a parade of opinions as we 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:11.759 dive into the controversy surrounding the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade. Now, it seems like 3 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:16.559 the turkeys aren't the only ones getting roasted this year. A conservative group, 4 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:22.800 one Million Moms, has launched a petition declaring this year's parade a non binary 5 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:30.920 and transgender extravaganza. Apparently they're concerned about exposing the masses to what they call 6 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:36.280 the liberal LGBTQ agenda. Well, brace yourself, folks, because it's about 7 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:42.320 terrain, Glenner, and tolerance on your Thanksgiving feast. The petition specifically targets 8 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:48.840 performers like Justin David Sullivan, a non binary singer with a Broadway breakout role, 9 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:54.320 and Alex Neuel, who identifies as non binary and plays the female role 10 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:58.719 of Lulu in the musical Shook. I mean, who knew Thanksgiving could be 11 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:03.040 so avant garde? So grab your cranberry sauce and join us as we dissect 12 00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:08.879 the drama behind the floats, the feathers, and the fabulousness in this year's 13 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:15.599 Maycy's Thanksgiving Parade, And remember folks, if the Turkey isn't the only one 14 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.159 causing a stir this year, at least we'll have a front row seat to 15 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.879 the spectacle. This article is from The New York Post, published November twelfth, 16 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.640 twenty twenty three. So, peeps, what to think. I'm coming 17 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:33.280 to you, Jonathan First, Well, this is another nothing burger by extreme 18 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:40.560 right religious bigots who really just want to basically do what they hate when we 19 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:47.079 cancel them. They want to cancel and continuously attack any public expression of queerness. 20 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:49.560 It's a never ending attempt to push us back in the closet. But 21 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.519 the genies already out of the bottle. So the big big lie is million, 22 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.120 mom. It's not a million, mom. It's like even their Facebook 23 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:02.920 and other social media sites, the total that I've been given on the when 24 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:08.319 I looked for it was approximately forty six thousand, forty seven thousand, something 25 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:12.879 like that. So it's point zero four six million, not a million. 26 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.039 I guess they're working on it, but it seems every time they come up 27 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.479 with another outrage thing to push, they get less and less followers. So 28 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.879 that's a good thing, but I'm sure it's really trying for them to try 29 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:29.560 and get you know, all this momentum behind their hatred and their bigotry, 30 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.479 and it just kind of falls flat. So even even their own people are 31 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:37.120 starting to say, eh, walk away. So you know it's again. 32 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.240 You know it's not outrageous enough. They keep doing it and saying we need 33 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:45.479 a new you need a new outrageous thing so that you can keep them coming 34 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:50.039 and keep your your movement going that hopefully is dying out. So anyway, 35 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.879 what do you think. I do think you may be wrong on the mayion 36 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:57.199 number. I think that between all of them there may be close to a 37 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.479 million brain cells between them collectively. But beyond that, I have to say 38 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:06.960 that when I first read the title this Extravaganza, I was excited. You 39 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.159 know, I never really pay attention to the Macy's parade. It's not really 40 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:13.360 my kind of idea of a parade. In New Orleans, we know how 41 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.639 to do both parades and extravagandism. If these people really want to lose their 42 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:21.360 shit, I'd be happy to bring into some really fun parades back home. 43 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.639 But you know they're not ready for that. So when I looked at them 44 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:28.800 and tried to take them serious, and I agree that they are hurting right 45 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:31.919 now, there's definitely a group of people that are growing tired of their rhetoric. 46 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.879 But I do believe they really think their society is falling apart, and 47 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.520 in some ways they are absolutely correct. I don't agree. But what's going 48 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:46.599 on is the illusion that they're concuone within that society that they exist within. 49 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:50.960 That is being disman and it needs to be. Those values and priorities that 50 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.280 they hold in such exteem are being challenged, and that's what they're reacting like 51 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.719 children about. You know, they get offended. You know, they're talking 52 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:04.000 about you know, the as Cynthia mentioned, the liberal LGBT agenda. You 53 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.120 know, they're talking about my family. You know, they're talking about my 54 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:12.240 children, and they're treating them as if there's something to be reviled objects of 55 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:17.720 discuss. It's important for children and people to see people represented who are like 56 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.040 them, who are proud to be who they are. That's really all it 57 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:25.639 boils down to. Now. What really made it turn for me, though, 58 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.800 is when I sat and got a little serious about this and thought about 59 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.680 these are twenty thousand people who signing this, and they all represent households that 60 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.560 they're going home and they're bringing this rhetoric home. They're not just signing a 61 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.399 petition, they're talking about these types of things. And I couldn't think about 62 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.519 how many children are sitting silently in those homes with a secret, children who 63 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.240 are being raised unknowingly by their parents to think that they're broken, that something's 64 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:55.439 wrong with them. Now, they can continue to try to shelter their kids 65 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:59.319 from the real world if they want to, it doesn't really work out in 66 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.560 my opinion. Real life does have the tendency of making its way into reality. 67 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.079 They should worry about their own and that's their right. But you know, 68 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:10.279 it's important for them to be supportive of their kids. I know it's 69 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.560 important for all parents. So it disturbs me to see them get on this 70 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.439 binge of hate and demonstrate that to their children. But it's important to be 71 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.879 supportive when kids are doing the things that you don't want, you don't expect 72 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.519 or even hope or desire. Those aren't your choices to their own people, 73 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.160 and they need to let their own children and other children experience life as it 74 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.199 is. You know, let people be them The celebration is no different. 75 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:40.879 It should be the same. Let the people there be themselves. Quit trying 76 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:44.439 to put people in a box. And I'm glad to see groups like the 77 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:48.040 million Moms starting to weaken and lose a little bit of their grasp, and 78 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.199 I hope it only gets more. No, Phoebe, what are you thinking 79 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:57.480 about these awesome people? It's bigotry with a website. It's you know much, 80 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.199 I mean a million moms, And then I should think the number petition 81 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.399 signatis is genuine? I mean, how many of these are actually you know, 82 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.199 like bots or people that have signed up multiple times, that have done 83 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.639 all these things just to inflate the numbers slightly because you know, you've got 84 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:12.879 you know, lovely elon out there, and here's you know, half a 85 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:17.079 million users every month, five hundred thousand users every month, yet half a 86 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:19.920 million any refused to say, have meny those with bots? They won't tell 87 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:24.079 you how many of these signatories bots because you know, you know that some 88 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.800 of these aren't going to be real signature. So that twenty thousand numbers, 89 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.759 it's inflated. As far as I care said, it's never as high as 90 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.560 the number actually said. But what can I say? I read the article 91 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.199 from the New York and the New York Post. You read it, and 92 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:41.399 you could tell that the person writing it is pissed off actually covering this shit. 93 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.360 You could just tell they put in quotation marks all of their nonsense, 94 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.720 and you can just tell that the person who is writing it has clearly had 95 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:54.680 enough a similar fit of outrage. Blah blah blah was one of the lines 96 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.439 that was actually used in the article by the person who wrote it, because 97 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:02.920 it's persontically a bit told right, this about this wonderful But as far as 98 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:08.399 they're they'd rather be covering anything but this, because they don't really give up 99 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.879 monkeys about you know, bigotry versus the glitter ball. They don't really give 100 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:15.560 a toss about all of that. And it's just like, oh, well, 101 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.800 you know, total bollocks and complete idiocy from a bunch of tickets. 102 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:24.120 What were we expecting in this da and age from the dying messages and convulsions 103 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:29.000 of you know, the million mum's campaign of you know, chrysto fascist lunacy 104 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.120 that you know, part of the stop the world is spinning too fast? 105 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.959 I want to get a high feeling sick idiots. I mean, what kind 106 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.279 of people were we expecting here? I mean, I don't hold much out 107 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.480 about this. I don't even know what to thanksgiving. Their parade is for 108 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:44.279 goodness sakes. But you know, these people, they're the you know what 109 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.040 we have in the UK. We call these people the Renter goon, the 110 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:51.480 Renter loon, or the renter. You know, you you have your cause. 111 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.680 You want a few more people to turn up to us, So you 112 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.480 go, yeah, hello, can you turn up here? You know there's 113 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.319 sort of free wine here if you tell, oh, okay, so ten 114 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.800 mothers and one dog turns up and you know some of them have got bad 115 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.399 bleached hair and you know all the other rubbish. But it doesn't mean anything. 116 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.240 Pay these idiots the attention they deserve, which is about as much attention 117 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.879 as I pay the poo that is being flushed away into the sewerage system. 118 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.000 Absolutely no attention whatsoever should be paid to these kinds of people. And the 119 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:24.360 less attention that is paid to these people, the less their rhetoric will be 120 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.439 heard, and the more they will just die out, and the faster the 121 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:35.039 world can move on from these kinds of million brain cells of lunacy. Well, 122 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.840 you know, Phoebe, I'm going to have to disagree with something that 123 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.480 you said. You need to pay attention to the boo that goes down your 124 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.840 toilet, because if it gets stopped up, that's a big bill that I'm 125 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.519 going to tell you that you're going to be paying to your parmber just saying 126 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.399 all I will say is the local sewerage company. They have a very good 127 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.320 on poll and insurance service around these parts and were very good, very good. 128 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.960 I'm always about their whole warranty life insurance. It's a good thing, 129 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.600 you see, it is it is disagreement. That's the first thing I pay 130 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.600 every month, Pay my warranty, pay that insurance, I tell you. 131 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.679 But here's the thing. What is a Thanksgiving Day parade? What actually is 132 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.480 this that we're okay? What is okay? What is it okay? So 133 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.600 even though this is not in my notes, but I'm just gonna go ahead 134 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.480 and just kind of just give a big, you know, overview of what 135 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.919 the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade is. It is traditionally a parade that has been put 136 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:43.080 on by the store Macy's down down department store, Macy's right in New York 137 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.480 City, in Manhattan, as they say, island, Yes on the island. 138 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:50.879 Yeah, it has been going on. I am I don't. I'm 139 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:56.159 not truly sure. I'm pretty sure that people who are watching us in look 140 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.840 up how long the parade has been going on, and if anybody went on, 141 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.240 I don't want to go ahead and quickly google that. Do your thing. 142 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.120 Any New York is out there screaming that. You know the answer, 143 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.320 It doesn't HPP right the pre record right, but you can put it in 144 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.919 the commons section below if you want. Uh, we would totally read that. 145 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.519 But yeah, so it's been but it's been a staple. I would 146 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:22.639 definitely say on Thanksgiving, and it usually has references to pageantry between Thanksgiving and 147 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.240 ramps up the Christmas hopping shopping holiday. Okay, so it's a lot of 148 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.159 times. You know, you have like your marching bands, you have your 149 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:39.559 children's choir singing, you have the this is the crowball that the corporate people 150 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.000 use to open your wallet. Pretty much. Yeah, it's good, pretty 151 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.440 much. See totally unlike when I'm I'm sorry, no, go ahead, 152 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.840 what are you saying? Totally unlike what I'm used to as a parade. 153 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:56.480 I'm used to New Orleans, where it's well nothing you can air on TV. 154 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:03.080 Ever, so I never even entertained the idea of anything like that. 155 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:07.559 But I'm sorry, Cynthia, you are totally fine because the parade that I'm 156 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:13.279 used to big grades. I'm used back home in England, home city Bright 157 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.440 and hope anyone knows anything about it. It's called the gay capital of Europe. 158 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:22.960 It has any enormous pride parade in August and we're talking, you know, 159 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.679 hundreds of thousands of people here. They shut down the damn city. 160 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.120 That's the kind of thing. It's got floats, it's got you know, 161 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.799 fabulousness, it's got you know, protesting at the front, protesting at the 162 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.840 back. And you know, if you live there and you don't like it, 163 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.600 why you're looking in Bright, Well it's but it's like that without the 164 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:48.279 protesting and shout out that you're protesting. Now, I mean protesting by you 165 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:54.320 know, keyboard. It's it's it's protesting. It's fake outrage. Let's just 166 00:11:54.440 --> 00:12:00.120 you know, I don't like the term of fake outragetic outrage. Well okay, 167 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.759 well synthetic, I'm gonna call it fake. Fake is as much as 168 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.879 my hair is. But the only reason why I'm saying that shout out to 169 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:16.320 the beauty supply. But you know, and shout out also to our lovely 170 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.360 crew person who told who just let us know that the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade began 171 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.519 in nineteen twenty four. But but the whole issue with all of this is 172 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.440 that one million moms, which is usually two Karens, gets on some type 173 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:37.200 of a dog and a dog and it's not for the dog is always up 174 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.440 there, always feel sorry for the dog, though you should feel hardy for 175 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.080 the dog. Well, the dog is not is in a very joyless environment. 176 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:50.399 If you think that that's your that's your mom environment of everything exactly, 177 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:52.840 well, I mean, well that takes that bold and you know you run 178 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.519 into a baby. Well the dog is the only adult in the room, 179 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.320 you know, Well to steer the dog and the conversation back to what we're 180 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:11.279 discussing. This will one million not so moms. Not so one million moms 181 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:16.200 does this all the time. They find something to bitch about in the culture 182 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:22.559 wars. It's always and it's always something that is so minuscule or or or 183 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.720 just you raise a point that raisin point there and move into much more serious. 184 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.200 The New York Post article cites the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is 185 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:41.200 a notorious anti trans rank amplifies and exaggerates. Yeah, it is not conservative, 186 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.720 it's a tabloid. You don't realize The Mail is not left, it's 187 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.200 not right, it's not center. It hands no political position. If is 188 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:56.840 populist, tabloid crash will start to finish. Well, actually, well it's 189 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:05.080 I mean, well national requires mostly like that. But he Enquiry doesn't make 190 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.440 any claims that it's a true representation of society or reality. It doesn't make 191 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:18.000 any claims whatsoever. And then my favorite editor, I get to say his 192 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.639 name, David Pecker, was found was found wanting when you know, he 193 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.200 didn't actually publish an article about a porn staff that had an affair with the 194 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:33.159 forty first United States. But anyway, anyway, leaving the forty fifth president 195 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.240 of the United States out of this conversation, mal isn't a for publishing anti 196 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:43.080 trans screeds and amplifying the most minuscule of nonsense. A good friend of mine, 197 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.559 who plays football, once appeared on the back page of the Daily Mail 198 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.399 because she had the tamerita to be a trans woman playing football, so they 199 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:56.600 ran a three day spread on her playing football. She wasn't even playing at 200 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.440 any grand level. She was playing in the second lowest tier of English women's 201 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.559 football. But there was a very interesting article that it had come about in 202 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:13.480 relations Daily Mail. Daily Mail publishes an inordinately large number of dog whistle anti 203 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:20.240 trans rhetoric and dog whistle amplification anti trans articles over nothing burgers. And in 204 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.720 January twenty twenty three, so in a thirty one day period, they published 205 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:31.320 one hundred and fifteen articles on trans people and eighty seven percent, that's one 206 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:37.279 hundred articles were described as anti trands by the Daily Mail. That's what's being 207 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.840 amplified here. These things are things that are amplified by the lunatics. Yeah, 208 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.919 I mean, but that's what But that's the point that I was just 209 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.799 getting to. They take something like this and they amplified in order for them 210 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.720 to just continue to push their narrative. That is, are the one Million 211 00:15:52.759 --> 00:16:00.679 Moms and other conservative conservative groups ad as calm conservative because that's how they basically 212 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:06.519 deemed themselves in the United States, same as the Moms for Liberty and basically 213 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:11.360 any person that you know comes on the Daily Wire or new Smacks. A 214 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.559 matter of fact, I think that in this particular article, there was a 215 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:22.879 YouTube video of one of the moms that was talking about basically, how now 216 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:30.159 now that Macy's Day Thanksgiving parade has become an area of where they are entering 217 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.360 themselves in the cultural wars so that they can indoctrinate children. This is the 218 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.679 narrative that they are pushing out. And one of the things that I get 219 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.240 really annoyed about, and I think, and I think this comes from me 220 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:47.399 being an artist, is that I understand that you are in New York doing 221 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.639 this parade. New York is a hotbed of artists, singers, dancers, 222 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.480 visual artists, media, all this stuff. I mean, like and traditionally 223 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.639 this is where artists have gone in order for them to be discovered and too 224 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.519 and even to be uh to go under apprenticeships and be tutored in their arts 225 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.200 and so on and so forth. Some of the great American thinkers, I 226 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.160 would say, actually came out of New York. So I get really I 227 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:22.039 get personally triggered when I hear the moms for one millionists that quite say some 228 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:29.039 crazy things about a whole pageantry that's really about art and crowing open your wallets 229 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:30.279 for Christmas. I mean, we're gonna keep it a book, you know, 230 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:33.319 but you know, but one of the things that I, you know, 231 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.960 thought about, especially since they were talking about David Sullivan. And also 232 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:45.079 I want to say I mentioned their name at the beginning, David Sullivan. 233 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:52.440 I'm sorry, Yeah, justin David Sullivan and also Alex Newell, both of 234 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:59.279 them in Music on Broadway, and also Alex Newell who is in in Shook. 235 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:04.839 Specific we've always had artists that were criticized when they were doing something that 236 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:11.839 was outside of the norm per se. I hadn't hear that there was criticisms 237 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.400 of Mozart. There were different composers that said that Mozart had too many notes 238 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.880 in his compositions when he were yes, bbe, I see your face. 239 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:25.759 But that was the criticism of Mozart. Another thing was said even and then 240 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:29.839 I even kind of jumped forward to one of my contemporaries, Lil Kim, 241 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:37.599 who was criticized for being way too provocative in her lyrics and also her dress 242 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.319 and being influential to other young girls who are looking up to her as a 243 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:47.359 role model. But she had one of the sickest styles in the game in 244 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.640 the nineties. She was an icon in her own right, you know, 245 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.839 from the nineteen the late nineteen nineties up into the two thousands. I mean, 246 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.599 girl was on points that all have to say is that these people have 247 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.240 a right to be able to express themselves else in the way that they see 248 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:04.880 fit when it comes to their identity. And the thing that I see specifically 249 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:12.000 with these people is just their hatred, their bigotry, their fear of a 250 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.440 of a landscape that's changing to not look like the white, middle class nuclear 251 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:23.720 family. So with that being said, what are you guys' thoughts on what 252 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:30.640 specifically they are outraging against. Do you think that it's mostly just them using 253 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.519 their platform because they're scared, or they are one to using it for control 254 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.880 or both? What say you, Jonathan, I say they're really doing it 255 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.799 to try and basically put us all back in the closet. Being out and 256 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:47.160 proud is not open to negotiat. Being fairly and honestly represented on the public 257 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.720 stage is also not open to discussion. Sorry, the you know, the 258 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:56.599 Moms for a Million, Moms for Tyranny, This is a publicity stunt and 259 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.240 it's just as poorly done as their hair and nail. They just don't get 260 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.720 it. Society changes and you have to either change with it. Or become 261 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:10.119 extinct. So I'm just kind of I'm really kind of annoyed. But they 262 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.839 have to face it. Their days are number. These are the dying gasps 263 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.880 of people clutching their pearls and you know, screaming into the wind that the 264 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.000 good old days are fading out and modern day reality is creeping into my life. 265 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:27.480 I've got to let it go. So and I don't want and and 266 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:33.400 to your point, remember those pearls are not fake, They're synthetic, which 267 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:47.079 you say, Sophie, I'm definitely not going to say something that you said, 268 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:51.039 Jonathan. I'm not going to say anything about anyone's nails or hair. 269 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:55.920 So just starting there, I'm gonna I'm gonna move past that one. But 270 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:00.160 I do think it's fear. I absolutely think this is coming from a place 271 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:04.119 of fear of people seeing the world changing. Now we look at it and 272 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.559 say, hey, the world may be changing for the better, but they 273 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:10.000 look at it and say, hey, the world's not the one that I'm 274 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.359 comfortable with. It's not the one I was I'm familiar with. It's not 275 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.359 the one that I was raised to think that is the right way to be. 276 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:21.000 And these people are deviating from what I think is right, and they 277 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.279 can't do that, And of course that's the problem that they need to learn 278 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.960 that they can believe whatever they want about their lives. They can do whatever 279 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:32.400 they want, but their ability to tell me are you or anyone in our 280 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.680 audience is zero, And that's the message that needs to be hammered home. 281 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:41.559 And right now I'm pretty hopeful things are starting to look kind of disastrous for 282 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.079 some of these groups. So I'm looking forward to the future and seeing some 283 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.559 of these groups become irrelevant like they should be, because they are a joke, 284 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.160 and speaking of jokes, very much not a joke, Phoebe. It's 285 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:59.039 the dying, convulsions and vestiges of a past which is dying and is currently 286 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.000 on life support, being propped up by a defibrillator that occasionally convulses them back 287 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.799 into life once every so often. It's not worth giving these groups the time 288 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.119 of day anymore. Their day has come, their day has gone, and 289 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:18.039 soon we are residing at the funeral of all of these groups because they will 290 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.880 be extinct like the dinosaurs. Indeed, well, I'll just say this in 291 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:29.039 conclusion. Whether you see the macis Thanksgiving Day parade as a non binary and 292 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:36.000 tribes, gender extravaganza or a celebration of diversity. It's clear that discussions around 293 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:41.359 inclusion and representation are far from over. We also know far too well that 294 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:48.559 they're not so. One million moms are not about inclusion whatsoever. If it 295 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:52.240 ain't white and straight, it's a problem and this is their mo o and 296 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.920 it's tiresome. But we would like to know what you, dear viewer and 297 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:00.000 listener, are wondering when it comes to this topic. What are your thoughts? 298 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:02.319 Make sure you put them in the comments below.