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Has the Bengals offensive line been as 10 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:49.759 bad as social media says? Plus the latest on the Bengals youngsters, who 11 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.679 could step up? Who will step up over the final seven weeks of the 12 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.920 season, and thoughts on Jake Browning Bengals. Sands is here to break it 13 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.520 all down for a weekly film review. You are Locked On Bengals, your 14 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:07.719 daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, Your Team every 15 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:26.359 Day. Hi again everyone, and welcome in to the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. 16 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.719 I'm James Rupine, No Jake, Let's go today, but we have Bengals 17 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:37.280 Sands. Mike Santaggata is here. Follow him on Twitter at Bengals Underscore Sands 18 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:42.760 and today's show is brought to you by game Time. Download the game Time 19 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.359 app, creating an account and use co lockdown NFL for twenty dollars off your 20 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:53.799 first purchase last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed Sands. Let's dive into the 21 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:57.159 post Joe Burrow Bengals, and let's start with the offensive line. There's a 22 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.640 lot of narratives out there, true, I think some not true. I 23 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.840 don't think they're the most athletic unit in the world. I also think that 24 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.319 just blaming a position coach for Joe Burrow's injury is a bit much too, 25 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.240 and I've seen that on social media. But I don't want to ask you 26 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.199 about the social narrative. I want to ask you about the film. What 27 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:21.360 have you seen from this offensive line during the first ten games of the season. 28 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.639 Has it been good? Has it been bad? A to f as 29 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:30.479 a position unit, how would you rate them? And then after that give 30 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.680 it some context that only you can do after watching all the film you have. 31 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:38.159 Yeah, I mean it's like a CC somewhere around there like they're fine. 32 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:40.680 I think that's one of those things of when you play against really good 33 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:46.639 defenses, they'll get got and sometimes the guys just don't bring. You know, 34 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:53.080 performance week to week for each individual isn't always consistent either. I think 35 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:54.439 each one of them have probably had a game that they're like that, that's 36 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.759 a bad game, the game you'd like to forget. But at the same 37 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.240 time, I thought they had a really difficult task early in the year with 38 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:07.240 an immobile quarterback and unable to run the ball, so they kind of stop 39 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:09.680 running the ball. So they're throwing a lot with a guy that's just sitting 40 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:15.520 duck back there. That's really difficult. Offensive linemen typically like going forward and 41 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:20.199 run blocking more than they like going backwards in past setting when I played in 42 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:23.599 high school, but you know, I like going backwards. I was more 43 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:24.960 one of those guys where I was like, I actually gotta like past setting 44 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.960 more. But a lot of guys, you know, they were bigger than 45 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.479 me and able to impose their will one hundred and eighty pound left guard like 46 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:38.199 trying to move guys. You know. Anyway, Yeah, they're fine. 47 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:45.639 I think they've been fine overall. It's like I've really got ran over I 48 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:50.120 knew leverage, but uh yeah, so they've been fine. Overall. I 49 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:55.280 think that when a guy gets hurt, the quarterback gets hurt on a play, 50 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:59.039 there's kind of this emotional reaction to it. If like they're not doing 51 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:03.639 enough. It's really I don't know, like they don't have a run game, 52 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.840 so the defense could tee off a lot. They don't commit to a 53 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:11.520 run game. So that also leads into these pass rushers are pinning their years 54 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.040 back and when that's partially on them too, because they're not doing enough in 55 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:18.399 the run game either. But that's also a tight end. They don't they 56 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:23.279 have one tight end that can block and Drew Sample and then but we know 57 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.759 what he is as a receiver, so they don't play them all the time. 58 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.160 They wide receivers. They're not paid the block there. They don't have 59 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.560 a Alan Lazard who does get paid to block in that group to go take 60 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:39.519 guys out. Stanley Morgan not active very often, just one game. But 61 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:45.120 yeah, overall, I think my thoughts are it's like a C unit unit 62 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.000 at least two two games for stand. I get your point. I get 63 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.240 your point. Don't sell him short now, don't sell him. Sure, 64 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:58.040 I agree with you. I think that they leave a decent amount to be 65 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.439 desired at times, especially with the way the Bengals play. And I think 66 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:08.600 that's the other element to this of where people's frustrations are is dropping back with 67 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:13.319 Burrow or running shotgun and just throwing as much as they have. But you've 68 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.680 seen the run game, like, could the coaching, should the coaching be 69 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.879 different, whether it's Frank Pollock, whether it's play calling, whether it's scheme 70 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.160 to fit this line. And I know that's a really really loaded question, 71 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:28.040 but I think that's where people are right now. And I want to try 72 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.199 to to answer that with you, because you've watched every play over and over 73 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:40.519 and over again. I think that they tried to do some of what they 74 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.800 did last year that worked, and some of it, you know, it's 75 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.680 still working. For all these guys are basically wide zone guys at heart, 76 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.319 though, so at least early to maybe even the middle of the year, 77 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:55.079 they would still try to get out there and run wide zone. And it's 78 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.399 just like they don't have the athletes for this. The offensive line does not 79 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.560 have the athletes for when they put that pistol stuff in. I was banging 80 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.000 my head against the wall, like why are you running wide zone of the 81 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.560 pistol, Like I forgot this is what you're gonna do when you get into 82 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.879 this formation, I guess. And they tried it from the shotgun and that's 83 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:15.360 just that's hard on everybody. The running back too, like that becomes difficult 84 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.279 in the running back to make the cut. But when they're running downhill gap 85 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:24.839 stuff, it's there. Like I don't think it's a dominant unit, but 86 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.160 last year wasn't a dominant unit. All that did last year was kind of 87 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:33.079 keep them on schedule and take some shots off Burrow. They didn't get that 88 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.319 level of performance, which is a little bit weird. I feel like some 89 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.959 people have been disappointed in Orlando Brown as a pass protector, and there was 90 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.920 some stuff in there with the injury, but overall, I thought he's been 91 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.680 all right there. Actually it's like he hasn't moved guys as much as I 92 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.800 thought, you know, like for such a big guy, and when you 93 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:53.040 watch the Chiefs game, he was able to move guys in the run game, 94 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.680 he didn't. He hasn't done it as much this season now, kind 95 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.079 of like when they get him on the move, there's just some plays that 96 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:00.839 are underutilized. The run game too. That dart play, they've run it 97 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.319 like four times. I think they're averaging ten yards of carry. I mean, 98 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.800 it's just every time they run that play, it's a good run and 99 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.240 draw. For a team that passes the ball seventy percent of the time, 100 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:13.839 how are you not faking the pass to hand the ball off. It's kind 101 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.680 of like the idea of like, well, a team that runs the ball 102 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:16.560 lot, they're gonna run a lot of play action. Well, if you 103 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.720 passed the ball a lot, let's fake the pass a little bit and run 104 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.959 some draws in there. So there's a little bit of stuff in there that's 105 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.040 kind of like, yeah, it could be even better, I think if 106 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.279 they did this stuff. But it's not. You know, like the running 107 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:36.680 back is also not giving you one hundred percent of every and sometimes even like 108 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:39.879 when you watch other teams, sometimes you can get the running back, it's 109 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.279 like, oh, there wasn't anything there. Watch the Jalen Warren runs from 110 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.519 yesterday, it's like the run is not always there, but the seventy five 111 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.120 or touchdown, he makes a few guys miss and he has home run speed 112 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:53.720 to get to take it the whole way, makes you forget about three yard 113 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.560 games, two yard games, like oh yeah, like he averaged seven yards 114 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.240 of carry or something, and it's like, well, seventy yard so that 115 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.279 came out. Who cares? Like it was a touchdown? You know, 116 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:05.560 don't take it away. Now. Sometimes people talk about taking things away, 117 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:09.079 like, oh, but if you take out his twenty yard games, like 118 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.319 that's a little easier to be like, yeah, I guess take that out. 119 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.800 It was a very good day and that run didn't even do anything for 120 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.639 them, So I think there's a lot wrong with the run game. But 121 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.439 they were able to get a little bit out of it. I think they 122 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.240 could get more. It's kind of like they got a small chicken wing and 123 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.000 they didn't eat all of the meat off the bone, but they got they 124 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.720 got, They got a bit off of there, like they it wasn't a 125 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.840 full my language, now, all right, let me get ten spicy garlic, 126 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.879 ten hot, and ten No. I am hungry, though, but 127 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.679 I'm also hungry for some explosive runs. I certainly think with Joe Burrow out 128 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.559 for the season, they may have to lean on that running game more. 129 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.159 Could that mean leaning on a rookie more than we've seen. I want to 130 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.639 ask you about some of the young players talk about how the run game can 131 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.840 evolve. 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But how do you think the run game can change? 166 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.080 Should change realistically, because you can't make huge, huge changes now, 167 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.360 but I'm sure that they can make some tweaks to make life easier on Jake 168 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:48.159 Browning, make life easier on Joe Mixon, maybe Chase brown and maximize what 169 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:54.799 they have in this offensive line as well. Yeah, so my first thought, 170 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.759 and we'll see what they do. I do think they're gonna get under 171 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.919 center, and they're probably going to try a little wide zone, and I 172 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.240 don't think they have the guys up front for that. It's not going to 173 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.159 be perfect, but it's just what I am conditioned to think when but it's 174 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.360 also what helps your quarterback, So maybe maybe it works a little bit. 175 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.799 Maybe maybe it just not works as in like five yards of carry, they're 176 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.120 mowing defenses, But maybe they get teams to bite a little bit on it, 177 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.000 because what you can get off of that might help them out. You 178 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.240 know, when those boot plays, although it feels like it almost feels like 179 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.480 they're moving their perimeter run to being that toss play, and every boot they've 180 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.559 had lately is a fake off of toss, and they're running more toss than 181 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.480 usual, and it's worked I think better than wide Zone. Like people get 182 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.000 mad about it when it fails. But at the same time, the first 183 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.159 run of the game that was an explosive play toss. Second run that went 184 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.240 for like negative three also toss. That's just toss. That's you know, 185 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.120 that's such a boom bust play. You know, you're not usually grinding out 186 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.039 three yards of carry like every single carry on toss. You can do that 187 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.000 on wide Zone, you can do it on a lot of runs, but 188 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.120 toss plays, it's usually did it work? Did it not work? But 189 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.799 yeah, So the crack toss idea, maybe they're going to toss more toss, 190 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:11.000 more of those in there. Maybe they'll continue their downhill run. I 191 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:16.519 think they just need to find a way to help Browning out because I think 192 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.240 there's a lot of difficulty to playing quarterback in the Bengals offense. I talked 193 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.879 about how already it's a little difficult on the offensive line too, with how 194 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.639 they like to play. It's a higher wire act. There's a lot of 195 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.399 difficulty at different positions. You know, even wide receiver. They didn't run 196 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.120 a lot of isolation stuff. Well that requires a wide receiver to be good. 197 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.480 Happens. They have good wide receivers, but it's just everybody, I 198 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.600 feel like, except maybe the tight end has like a difficult role in the 199 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.600 offense. Maybe running back too, although then you can talk about pass protection 200 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:50.559 and as ugually not something a running back is good at. So there's a 201 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:56.000 lot of difficulty in how they like to play with burrow and I think with 202 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.360 Browning you're going to have to lessen that difficulty. They curve and this might 203 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.039 be the best way they can play offense is the way they play burrow ball. 204 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.639 But Browning can't really do that. That requires a lot of processes in 205 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.720 prestat processing, post snap, making very accurate throws, those back shoulder balls 206 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.600 that some people I think, oh he's just throwing fifty to fifty balls to 207 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.360 the whoever, to T Higgins, It's like, well, that ball has 208 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.080 to be perfect, and we saw when Burrow was not healthy what happens when 209 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.919 you don't throw those balls perfect. A lot of incompletions, an interception that 210 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:30.720 he left inside. You know, like there's a degree of difficulty to those 211 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.480 throws, which some people might think are easy. There's I just feel like, 212 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.919 playing quarterback in this offense, if they're going to try to just just 213 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.919 run what Burrow runs, it's gonna be like, Okay, this is really 214 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.720 difficult for a backup quarterback, and especially one that you didn't really prioritize getting 215 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.559 some high end backup to run this. You got to find a way to 216 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:54.240 at least minorly shift the offense to make it easier on him. Let's assume 217 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.960 Chase Brown can be in the mix. And I know we haven't seen a 218 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.720 ton of him. You watched him in the preseason, I'm in training camp 219 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:03.240 in the preseason. We've seen him a little bit. In the regular season. 220 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.440 He's missed the past four games. Do you think he can give them 221 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.759 some juice? Like, do you think as a runner he's shown you anything 222 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.519 or is that TBD? Because that's what the coaching staff seems to think. 223 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.320 But we haven't seen a lot of him. What does the film say. 224 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.559 I feel like the game's moving fast for him, but how does that get 225 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.879 fixed? Reps experience, game slows down when you play more, But it 226 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.200 felt like it was moving fast for him in the little bit of time he 227 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.480 had, at least in regular season games. For sure. I think that 228 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.039 last preseason game you saw a little bit. But then again, that last 229 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.679 preseason game was mostly against guys that aren't as fast as the starters, or 230 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.240 you know, guys that don't process as fast as the starters. At least 231 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.320 they're not in the league anymore, most of them. Yeah, yeah, 232 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.960 even the superstars aren't playing on the preseason Week four, week three superstars aren't 233 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:54.440 playing on Sunday right now. Yeah, So I feel like he needs more 234 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.799 reps. When I watched him in college, I thought he lacked the ability. 235 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.200 Who really, I feel like it's not something you'll like, stay on 236 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.919 his feet. I don't think he stays on his feet through contact super well, 237 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:08.600 He's not like a guy that gives a lot of power behind his pads 238 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:15.879 and the elusiveness was hit and miss, you know, like I feel like 239 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.919 sometimes it was there, but a lot of times. What I really like 240 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.440 with him, I think he had good vision at the calls level, which 241 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.799 is why I think he will probably be able to develop at the NFL level. 242 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:26.480 And I think he could set up his runs, he tempoed them, 243 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:32.360 and when he got a runway, he was gone. And that's something they 244 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:36.320 haven't had. But can they give him that runway? Because that's the biggest 245 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:41.399 issue of even when the Bengals offensive line blocks well on a play that requires 246 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.159 the tight end to make a good block, if you're gonna get a full 247 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.519 runway, like there's no need for you, you're not getting touched. I 248 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:51.440 think of like sometimes on those Devon h Chan runs for the Dolphins, like 249 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:53.639 he didn't get touched and now he's gone, Like can you give him that? 250 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:59.759 I'm not sure? You know, Like some of that comes from guys 251 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.319 wide receivers being able to block at better than they have because that's an issue 252 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:06.559 too, you know, like why series get asked, hey, dig out 253 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.319 that safety. Well that's hard, you know, it's not every wide receiver 254 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.680 can make that block. And I saw Trent Irwin against the Bills get lit 255 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:15.599 up trying to do that. It's just like safety knew it was coming and 256 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.799 he just blew him up. It's like, well, you know he's a 257 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.559 wide receiver. What do you really expect? So I think that you need 258 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.039 the auxiliary blockers, the tight ends, the wide receivers. If you put 259 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.119 Drew Sample in the backfield, want to call them a full back, h 260 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.400 back whatever, they need to be able to block well. And if the 261 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.359 offensive line blocks well, so like, if everything goes right, he can 262 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:40.519 get you explosive place and he could hit home runs like seventy five yard touchdowns. 263 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.759 If everything doesn't go right, I feel like he'll give you. When 264 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.039 in college, I felt like he still gave them most of what the offensive 265 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.160 line blocked, Like he'd run it right and he'd hit the right hole. 266 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.440 He'd hit it with as much speed as he could. It just didn't feel 267 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.519 like he was a guy. Like when I watched Charboney, for example, 268 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.720 it was like, well, charbon is gonna at least run that guy over, 269 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.599 find some hidden yards, like get an extra six yards on this play. 270 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.680 And he had really good contact balances. I love It's like he stays 271 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.599 on his feet like guy hit somebody stays on his feet. I didn't see 272 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.680 that so much with Brown. So that's what I'm kind of seeing as a 273 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:14.839 guy that can give you what the offensive line can give you, and then 274 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.519 if he if you get a runway, he'll beat guys in foot races to 275 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.440 the end zone. Be interesting to see if he can suit up this week. 276 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.519 Obviously, we'll have the latest on Chase Brown as the week rolls on. 277 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.559 What about Jordan Battle, because he's clearly going to be starting for the 278 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:34.920 Bengals moving forward. Zach Taylor didn't come out and say that exact statement, 279 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:37.880 but said that he was going to keep the same playing time he had last 280 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:42.519 week, and obviously he was playing well, I thought against the Ravens. 281 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:48.720 What did you think about his performance? What does he bring to this secondary? 282 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.559 And do you like the combo now of a second year guy in Dax 283 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.119 Hill, a first year guy in Jordan Battle manning in the secondary of these 284 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.480 two safety spots. Yeah, I mean I do like it. I mean, 285 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.119 actually, now that Browning's in there, if you're gonna be honest with 286 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.359 like yourself as a team, it's like, what does Nick Scott give you 287 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.319 for the rest of this year versus what is Jordan Batt'll give you. Even 288 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.319 if and I don't think this is true, but if the coaching staff things 289 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.480 like well they trust Scott Moore or something, It's like, well, yeah, 290 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.319 but this is probably the time. But just see what the young guy 291 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.680 has and the drop off, if any, will be minimal. I think 292 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:26.519 you might get better play because it just feels like just has not clicked for 293 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:33.480 Nick Scott in this defense. But with Jordan Battle, it felt like he 294 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:38.920 did a great job of for the most part, taking angles and trying to 295 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:45.160 limit plays from when they got past the defensive line, when they got past 296 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.880 the linebackers, he was sort of clean it up. And I felt like 297 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.240 he also he reacted quickly to balls being thrown, he reacted quickly to Lamar 298 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.440 trying to run. It just felt like he did kind of what the safety 299 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.359 job is there for of He was the safety net. He was the guy 300 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.480 that when it didn't work at the first and second level, he was there 301 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.240 to clean it up. I also felt like there were a few plays that 302 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.680 well, there was one play in particular that just talked about taking good angles. 303 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.960 He did blitz on a play and took a bad angle and he actually 304 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.200 slaps his hands together at the end of it because he missed the tackle because 305 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:22.319 of it. And it's just like one of those like, yeah, you'll 306 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:29.680 learn from that. It's something that comes with experience. And my only question 307 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.640 though is I don't feel like he really got challenged in coverage. So when 308 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.799 the ball's in the air, how does it go? When he has to 309 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.720 cover match a receiver deep down the field, is he able to keep up 310 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.559 with them? And even more so, like can he cover up corners getting 311 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.279 beat even you know, because that's the role of safety as well. I 312 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.480 can think of a lot of players, especially went back when Jesse Bates was 313 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.559 in Cincinnati where corner got beat, but Bates broke up the ball so it 314 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.519 didn't matter. So let's see. Can I want to see him tested a 315 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.279 little bit more in coverage. So I don't think that really happened in the 316 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.640 Ravens game. They went after different guys, They didn't really go after him 317 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:11.200 as much when he came in, and uh, I mean, really that's 318 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.519 about it's about it. There weren't too many situations where he had to take 319 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.400 on blocks either, So maybe you want to see him take on some wide 320 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.720 receiver blocks, which I don't think that Nick Scott did particularly well with this 321 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.400 year. Hopefully he's not taken on offensive lineman although it has happened before. 322 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.680 But can he take on the wide receiver block? Can he take on tight 323 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.960 end blocks, especially guys well they play? I mean, I don't think 324 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.599 Friarmuth is some ground glovel blocker. Can he take on a fat firearmouth block 325 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:41.920 there, Darnel Washington one. I don't know if I want to see that, 326 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:48.200 but you know, yeah, let's see can you take that ons that 327 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.400 try to block you? Yeah? I think that's a good point, and 328 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.799 we'll see if he can do that. And let's keep things wrong with more 329 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:59.480 on the youngsters and a thought or two about Jake Brown and coming up next. 330 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.279 Today's show is brought to you by Prize Picks. Prize Picks is the 331 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.079 largest daily fantasy sports platform in North America. They're the easiest and most exciting 332 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.799 way to play DFS. It's you against the numbers. You don't have to 333 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.599 deal with thousands of other players. You don't have to deal with pros or 334 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.720 sharks lingering in those DFS waters, no, no, no. With Prize 335 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.519 Picks, all you do is pick more or less than on a two to 336 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.799 six player stat projection and watch the winnings roll in. 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All right, quickly, before we get to Jake Browning, 362 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:12.200 just sticking with the defense, Miles Murphy, Joseph Osai, did those guys, 363 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:17.799 what did they show you against Baltimore and what is your expectations for these 364 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:22.000 guys? Moving forward with the hope that maybe Sam Hubbard could return this week, 365 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:26.720 but regardless those two guys. What'd you see? Murphy had a pressure 366 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:33.039 against Morgan Moses and it involved him ending it with a rip move. So 367 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:34.880 that's something that's a little development. You know, like he hasn't done a 368 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.480 great job of disengaging at the end of his rushers, you know, her 369 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.240 bulrush guys. He'll move guys, and you know, like there's some stuff 370 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.519 there that still needs to be done better. But you know, overall he's 371 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.680 been able to do that, but he hasn't been able to finish and get 372 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.039 that offensive linement off of him. So that was good to see. And 373 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.440 I think the biggest thing with Murphy was he did a really good job containing 374 00:24:55.519 --> 00:25:00.519 Lamar when he tried to escape. It just felt like a case of his 375 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:06.279 athleticism, his ability to accelerate his top end speed of just like when Lamar 376 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.759 tries to escape, that's really difficult on defensive ends. Like in theory, 377 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.680 hey that's your job. Well, no, this guy like the quarterback spy 378 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.799 argument of like I'll just put a spy on Lamar. That's great on a 379 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:21.440 chalkboard, he's accounted for. Okay, Lamar in the open field against a 380 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:25.359 linebacker, I immediately no longer have faith that this guy's going to make a 381 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:29.480 play at least consistently. So seeing Murphy be able to contain him that was 382 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.640 nice, especially when he's able to beat somebody to get outside and then it's 383 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.960 him and Murphy on a foot race. Takes a good angle, shows good 384 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.960 speed, gets to him, makes him throw the ball away. The other 385 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.720 end of that was your josepho Sie question. I thought he also played well 386 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.599 though this was probably the size best game. He had a move where he 387 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.000 kind of faked a cross chop into a hump move and I thought it was 388 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.000 great. It reminded me of fifty eight and fifty eight being Karl Lawson because 389 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.640 I felt like he did that move a lot. So can Joseph Osai improving 390 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.359 and keep showing a little bit of stuff like that, And he hasn't done 391 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.640 it this year, So this was the first game that was I think his 392 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.400 best pass rush on the year. I don't know if he has a sack 393 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.480 or anything so far the season, but when I watched that, yeah, 394 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:17.079 I didn't think so, but I want to make sure I watched that. 395 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:18.400 I was like, that's that's what I was kind of expecting him to do. 396 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.319 This season was come with some moves like that, a little bit of 397 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.920 Carl Loss into him. Get some pressure, you know, beat the guy 398 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:30.279 in front of you, and they have a better interior than back when they 399 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.240 had lost and I know loss and there was a whole He got a lot 400 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:34.680 of pressure, but he couldn't finish it. Some of that's also, you 401 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.240 know, the interior he played with was not world beaters. I mean there 402 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.440 was Geno, I guess for a couple of years, but when Gino was 403 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.799 no longer there now I feel like they have guys that could push the pocket 404 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.880 a little bit on the inside. So maybe those turned into sacks. But 405 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:56.160 overall, I thought he showed more in this game than he had in any 406 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.359 other game this season in terms of both sides. And then Jake Browning, 407 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.640 because I don't really know what to expect. I think there's part of the 408 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.079 fan base that's already looking at aj mccaeron. I think the coaches are in 409 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.519 on Jake Browning. He's confident. The guys around him say they're confident. 410 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.680 I don't know. But he's confident in himself, which I think is huge 411 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:26.240 and important. What do you kind of expect from him moving forward and expect 412 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.599 this offense. You already said it's not going to look the same. But 413 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.279 what does an ideal Jake Browning offense look like? Because I summed it up 414 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:40.480 on our Tuesday show with Jake and I was like, make plays when they're 415 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:45.200 there, don't turn the ball over. That's it. Like, if he 416 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.960 does those two things, I check it off for Jake Browning. And I'm 417 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.720 looking for the rest of the team, the defense, the running game, 418 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:55.039 the offensive line, the receivers to make places like I'm looking for all those 419 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.440 different units and I'm left some out but them to step up. Where are 420 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:00.960 you at with you brown And because you've watched the All twenty two, you've 421 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.559 watched the film of preseason, obviously you watched Thursday Night as well, and 422 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.880 what he did without many practice reps, where are you at? On him? 423 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.640 I thought there was a little bit of anticipation in processing that he played 424 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:17.119 with that I didn't really see in the preseason in terms of he didn't need 425 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.359 to see the guy open to throw it. You know, he had trust 426 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.039 some of that's you know, the anticipation throw was to Jamar Chase though, 427 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.319 So it's kind of like, well, is that anticipation or is that like, 428 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.880 oh yeah, Jamar's gonna beat that guy, Like, let me just 429 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.319 put it up there. But you know, it's still nice to see that 430 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.359 he's confident enough to throw it and it's not open, and I think it 431 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.039 was anticipation. But you can make the areeam either way. I think the 432 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:48.160 ideal Jake Browning would be he's running the offense. Okay, his balls are 433 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.319 I think he throws a very catchable go ball, which I don't think he 434 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.440 has a great arm. Actually, I think it's the opposite. He has 435 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.759 a pretty poor arm for the NFL, but his goball kind of it feels 436 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.200 like it kind of like floats through the air. He kind of puts a 437 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.519 lot of loft on it, and that also makes it kind of playable for 438 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.160 the defensive back. But I think there's what I was watching him throw those 439 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.759 is like, you know, maybe it's a little too far outside for that 440 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.720 Jamar Chase one. But it wasn't like he couldn't catch it. It was 441 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:23.519 it was catchable, so enough accuracy, able to keep the offense on schedule 442 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.279 ish at least, you know, like able to run an offense a little 443 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.920 bit. What I think of is almost like the idealized Jake Browning is a 444 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:36.039 little bit like Taylor Heineke, where there's also that that wild card. And 445 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:40.640 he showed this a little bit in that Ravens game too, of Okay, 446 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.200 stuff's not there. You trust your legs and your ability to run and scramble 447 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:51.920 a lot. So if that's working, great, and it worked a little 448 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.480 bit that Ravens game. You think of the fourth down scramble, you can 449 00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.920 think of the play he jumped over a guy and ran, So he can 450 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:02.240 kind of do that a little bit. Now, there's a fine line between 451 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:07.559 kind of harnessing that chaotic energy and being able to use it for good and 452 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:12.640 those immediately turning into turnovers and negative plays and ruining the offense. So he 453 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.240 needs to walk a fine line there, but I think he can add a 454 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.079 little bit there, kind of like Tayo Ronicky when he's having a good game, 455 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.720 you're like, wow, did you see that running? It was like 456 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.279 a crazy run, like I think of that Bucks playoff games from years ago, 457 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.759 and then you also think of the Falcons. It's like you see how 458 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.519 he ran into defenders and through picks. It's like, okay, don't do 459 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.640 that part do the other part, the part where you're running away from guys 460 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.799 and making some plays when they're not there. So I want to see him 461 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.640 able to run the offense a little bit, yes, protect the ball, 462 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.720 and for him, I think the idealized version of him is able to make 463 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.559 something out of nothing every once in a while. Jake, heinicky, that's 464 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:52.079 what you just called him, Jake kinikey. All right, hey, I'll 465 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.400 take it. Bengals Underscore Sands, follow him on Twitter, make sure you 466 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.680 check out his work all Bengals dot com. It's always game day and Cincinnati 467 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.119 O. I know we we lean on you a lot, Sands. I 468 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:10.599 will be bothering you again next week as Jake's travels continue, but I appreciate 469 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:11.680 you coming on. Make sure you check out his work, like I said, 470 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.799 and for us, well, it's about that time to cross over with 471 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.000 Chris Carter. We'll do that on our next show, and then it's game 472 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.160 preview time. The beat. The beat goes on, The show goes on 473 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.880 even without Joe Burrow, and we have you covered here on Lockdown Bengals. 474 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.720 So for Jake, let's go. I'm James Orpene. Thank you so much 475 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.599 for listening to The Lockdown Bengals podcast