I believe cunning had the Great American display. It's Wednesday afternoon of the tri
States. I'm so excited now about red Spaceball, can't stand it tends the
city once again. Paul's beneath the mighty crue to your Reds. More action
tonight, first pitch about eight ten. Coverage starts about six ten. Then
it's on a Houston Maybe a preview of the World Series. The Reds and
the Astros. Tee it up, believe it or not on Friday, Saturday
and Sunday. We'll see what happens. But preview of the World Series Reds
versus Astros. It's possible two and a half games out of first place.
By the way, last year, the Reds to not win the thirty third
game until July the tenth, So it's taken the Reds about two months earlier
to win number thirty three on their way to the World Series. End beyond.
But so much is happening relatively Donald Trump. It's all Trump, all
the time. It's all we talk about. All I can talk about.
Every night, I overdose on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, Bright Part
Newsmax. Every morning I get up watch the network shows, go nuts.
I'm completely consumed by the Trumpster. Now politically, there are those who are
saying the Republican Party's in serious difficulty. A man that knows is the chair
of the Ohio Republican Party, elected by acclamation a few months ago, Alex
Trunch. If you Lou formerly of Hamlet County, now Columbus next up as
the National Republican Party. He will control all by the end of next year.
Alex t Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Alex, how
do you like your new gigging Columbus. I heard report you're drinking Martini's,
smoking fancy Cuban cigars, rolling around in a limousine and more. Can you
tell me what it's like to run the party in the state of Ohio?
How Billy, it's good to be with you. Running the party in the
city of Ohio is a high honor and privilege. And I'm rolling around the
state in my twenty eighteen Ford Explorer, not a limousine. But we're having
a good time. Obviously very entered. Gize about what's happening in Washington here
across the state. But Billy, you know I've known you a long time.
I've been on these airways talking about what's happening in Hamlin County. I've
just taken that same vigor I hope that I brought to the job there to
the job here in Ohio, and I'm having a good time fighting for conservative
values across this great state. You're a friend in mine. J d Vance
raised in Butler County, now lives in Hamilton County. Is holding up all
the nominations for the Department of Justice. You also have Tommy Tubberville everything he
relates to Cincinnati, the former UC coach, holding up a two hundred and
fifty two hundred and fifty promotions for the military. What's your view of Senator
jd Vance saying this indictment of the Trumpsters unjust and he's gonna hold up all
other nominations to the dj until this matter is resolved, which maybe years and
decades away. Well, you know, I support Senator Vance, of course,
he's been a great senator here from Ohio. But you know what's happened,
Bill, It's most concerning to me right now is that all this chatter
has taken us way a little bit and by designed by the way the Democrats
have designed it. So we get away a little bit from Joe Biden's failures.
Joe Biden is a absolute failure as president of the United States. He
is worse than Jimmy Carter. We have Bisan, we have that off Afghanistan
withdrawal. Everything costs more. You're crunching middle class families. But guess what
they've got it. So now we're talking about papers held in the former president's
office. So now we're talking about papers, and we're talking about law enforcement,
and we're talking about stuff that has really nothing to do with the issues
that affect the American people. So you know it's they've played us a little
bit in this game. We're gonna fight back. So when I get a
chance to talk to great Americans like yourself and others, I'm gonna remind you
that this is about Joe Biden and about his failures in the White House.
He's been a terrible president. He's falling down Billy, both literally and figuratively
every single day on the job. So don't forget is they is they go
down this path of of looking at a former president in the papers that he
had in his office, that what really matters to you and your family or
what Joe Biden and the Democrats have done in Washington. Well, the fact
of the matter is I talked to a good friend who's been a prosecutor for
a long time who must go nameless. And there are many times in life
that you can do something. The issue is should you do something? And
in American history there have been numerous circumstances where the presidency changes hands and someone
of the different party gets involved and they have to pick up the pieces of
what happened before. Now. In two thousand and two thousand and one,
when Bush forty three sees the presidency, there was an example given. There
was a small news article about advice given to Bush forty three, It's time
to go after the Clinton's Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and George Bush forty three
set is time to turn a new page. We're not going to do that.
There have been many times in American history where a new president takes over
a different party and the previous presid and it had some difficulties. Whether it
was Richard Nixon, or whether it was Harry S. Truman with Eisenhower,
or whether it was LBJ with with Nixon. You could always look back in
time and say, you know, that guy did the following. Let's indict
him, Let's pursue it. Do you understand the concept because you can do
something doesn't mean you should do it. Well, Billy, As you know,
I started my career as a prosecuting attorney. I've been a judge.
I've been practicing law for twenty five years. There is prosecutorial discretion, especially
especially at this level. There is no doubt that Merrick Garland and his people
at the Department of Justice green lighted the arrest and prosecution of Joe Biden's top
political opponent. That's just a fact, and they cannot run away from it
now. You know. The other thing I'd like to point out, just
very briefly, is I want just for a minute for anyone listening who might
have some suspicions about this because of the way it's being reported. If Donald
Trump had turned round and had his Attorney General indict Joe Biden during the throws
of the twenty twenty election on the documents that Joe Biden had parked next to
his corvette in the garage, what would the America saying about that? What
would your breast be saying about that moment that Donald Trump they would be declaring
us a banana republic, and then it would be belittling Donald Trump's leadership in
this country for having arrested his top political opponent. That's really where we are.
And you know, you can get into the merits about, you know,
the papers and whether or not the papers should have been there and whether
they you know, I mean, look, not nobody's alleging that Donald Trump
committed espionage. They're saying he may have allegedly mishandled his former presidential papers that
may or may not have been classified. Those are all factual distinctions. But
the bigger question, and the right the question that you ask is the right
one, and that is the discretion in this process for the prosecutor. And
the answer is there is certainly discretion, and they made a fundamental error because
this is only going to help Frankly, it's going to help empower conservatives and
those of us who care about the rule of law. And it's bigger than
Donald Trump at this point, Billy, it really is. Alex Trenent Few,
I look at it this way, that there was clear indication that the
president was, in a textbooks example, mishandling documents. I'll give you an
example, the federal judge, not the one presently having the case canon,
but another federal judge who was overseeing this so called matter, ask his Donald
Trump's lawyers to tell the court whether or not, under oath and affidavits,
there were any more classified documents ago, because there was some suspicion that he
turned over some but not all. And so what the judge told the lawyers,
and you practice law and addition to be chair of the Republican Party,
I wanted you to meet with your client and file an affidavit whether or not
all the classified documents have been returned. And so the lawyers met with the
Donald, and based upon that meeting, the three lawyers named in the indictment
as Lawyer one, Lawyer two, and Lawyer three said, under oath,
in an affiday but to a federal judge, that all the documents have been
returned. Now, the special counsel involved, Jack Smith, had already received
testimony from Secret Service agents that that was not the case, and so he
went back to confirm whether or not that was true. And when it was
seemingly determined that the Donald had not returned all the classified documents, it is
only then that the federal judge approved the search warrant because you had, on
one hand the lawyers for the Donald saying everything's been returned, but on the
other hand you have Secret Service agents saying just the opposite. So to confirm
who's telling the truth and who's not telling the truth, the judge authorized the
search warrant. And after that big raide and what was in August of last
year, there were numerous classified documents that were seized by the FBI and US
marshals. Now that's the scenario and so on paper, that doesn't look too
good, But in reality, I go back to the notion because you can
do something, should you do something? Because there's one cardinal rule that the
FBI and the dog have, and that is don't interfere with elections. The
FBI dog interfered with twenty sixteen when the FBI went after Hillary and the Donald.
They interfered in twenty eighteen because of the Russian collusion, delusion they knew
was a lie. They interfered in the twenty twenty election, and now here
we are in twenty twenty two. The interfered in that election, and now
twenty twenty four is coming up. So I you know, Alex, I'll
run off the reservation a little bit, and I'll say this that it appears
on surface that Donald is in difficulty, But as you point out, we're
dealing with pieces of paper that, under the espion Odje Act, not the
Presidential Records Act, could have might have been employed by foreign powers to negatively
affect the security of our country. But it didn't happen. It could have
happened, it might have happened, but it didn't happen. So on one
hand, you have a president who's now out of office who claims, by
the way, Alex d that I declassified everything I took tomorrow lago with that
new nineteen it's not new, but that nineteen eighty eight, I'm sorry,
nineteen seventy eight US Supreme Court case nine ZIP. They ruled the president could
classify anything at any point while he's the president. So can you give me
an answer to a question I didn't ask. Well, you've covered a lot
of territory there, and again, I think what the American people got to
be thinking about, especially as you walk through this analysis as you so carefully
have, has the same analysis had been done as it relates to Joe Biden's
classis documents, and the ones that he has in his possession. Has the
same treatment, been given, the same attention, the same search warrant.
Has all of that been accomplished against Hillary Clinton and the servers that she you
know that she used bleach to destroy. So you know, it's a two
tiered system at this juncture, and it's driven largely by the Trump derangement syndrome,
which is real in America. There are some people who just simply cannot
deal with that man's personality. I'm not one of those people. His policies
were great for America. He's certainly an unconventional politician. But again, this
has to really Billy for me, and I'm going to scream it from the
rooftops. This has to be about Joe Biden. He's taking the focus off
of his absolute catastrophic presidency. His presidency means you pay more for everything.
He's pinching Americans in the middle class unlike never before, this Green agenda,
Gosha. You know what happened at the White House the other day, which
is just, you know, totally against the basic core values of our great
country. We've just seen it time and again. This man is a fumbling,
fumbling president. And by doing this sideshow action that you're seeing against a
former president in his papers, you know this is all meant to distract,
and I intend to not let it distract me. I will fight for,
by the way, who for whoever the nominee is for the Republican Party,
I'll fight at this moment. But Donald Trump is worth defending. One more
quick point, Billy. Every one of his opponents in the primary save one,
and that would be Chris Christie, But everybody else, he's a Ramaswami,
Ron de Santis, who's certainly his top competitor in the primary. Even
Mike Pence and others, they've all kind of stood with Donald Trump on this
because they know that it's bigger than him. They know it's about the rule
of law. They know it's about making sure there's faith in integrating our justice
system. So I'll continue fighting for that, Billy Alea's tea and add to
the argument of can they or should they, which is completely different issues.
Selective prosecution is another matter that if Hillary Clinton if twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen
the FBI and paneled a grand jury with a full subpoena power and began issuing
subpoenas to testify under oath before a federal grand jury. Uma Aberdeen throwing Anthony
Weener, also known as mister Carlos, got every aide that had anything to
do with using bleach bit and also a ball peen hammers to destroy subpoena material
and over a period of months built up a case among her closest aids to
testify against Hillary. If they would have done that, and Hillary right now
was completing her second year in prison, or if in the case of Joe
Biden, who had those cardboard boxes in his garage next to his corvette,
and in five different locations, he had hundreds of classified documents and boxes all
over the place, including the University of Pennsylvania that was funded by the communist
Red Chinese, the so called Joe Biden Center, if they would have launched
those investigations against Joe Biden and had subpoenas issued under grand juries and had all
of his aids come in to testify, he left the vice presidency and throw
in What happened with Barisma on the same day last week that they the indictment
of the Trumpster was announced. The Barisma official according to the FBI released information
in an affidavit that there were seventeen telephone calls recorded by the Barisma executive,
fifteen with Hunter Biden and two with the then sitting Vice president accepting ten million
dollars in cash bags of cash between Barisma and Hunter Biden slash Joe Biden on
that same day. I would say, has the FBI, beginning in twenty
seventeen, launched investigations of Joe Biden receiving bags of cash from Barisma, I
would have said, okay, And if Joe Biden was not the president,
he lost the presidency and they put Joe Biden in jail, I would have
said, Look, Donald played the game and he lost. Hillary was held
accountable and she's in prisidon. Joe Biden was accountable and he's in prison.
Nancy Pelosi, he went into Congress poor and came out worth three hundred million
dollars because of influence paddling. She's in prison. Well, Donald Trump,
you played the game and you lost. Report to sing sing can you smell
when I'm cooking? Well, Well, let me say this, Billy.
You know, I don't know if you saw this, but fifty former intelligence
officials all told me and you and the American people that the Hunter Biden laptop
story was false. So I don't know, are you sure you got your
facts right, Philly, because those fifty former I'm saying this my tongue firmly
planted in my cheek, bill of course, because the entire cover up of
the Hunter Biden scenario is an entirely different topic for us to talk about.
Again, it's just part of it, really is the mainstream press, in
this message delivery that you get every single day. You know, in this
flowery morning shows that you watch, Hunter Biden is worthy of serious investigation.
The laptop is real. But again today we're talking about some papers that the
president had in his office at his fancy place in Murlago instead of talking about
Joe Biden and his failures. So, as you can see, I'm pretty
single minded my approach here to make sure we keep the focus on the failure
that is Joe Biden's presidency. I think the schleps, the schmucks, the
middle class that work every day get up and go to factory jobs and report
to desks, the rumkey garbage men that I love so dearly, the cops
and the firefighters and make this country work, the lineman for the county.
Those kinds of men and women care about inflation, they care about the interest
rates, They care about their kids' school teaching the wrong kind of crap.
They care about high taxes, and talk about a few papers intermixed with headlines
from the New York Times is not something that motivates them. Because you can
do something, does the should do something? Selective prosecution is occurring in more
alex T. I know this Wednesday afternoon you have big pal walls with the
schmucks and the schleps all over the state of Ohio. I wish you and
yours the best, but I wanted to get your perspective on Senator JD.
Vanson more and once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
And keep doing alex T what you're doing. One day you'll be important.
Billy, Thanks so much and go Reds. Have a great day.
God bless America. Let's continue with more coming up later. We'll be Mike
Allen Junior to talk about jury nullification and some more matters. But because you
can do something, should you do it? To me? The answers generally
is no. And is this worth what's gonna be putting the nation through the
next several months and years. Right now that Donald has seventy one counts against
him between New York in Miami, seventy one counts with more to follow because
the Sheriff of Fulton County has appeared in New York and Miami to watch security.
When Trump has indicted either this month or next in Fulton County for trying
to fix the election in Georgia, that'll be an additional forty to fifty counts.
He'll be over one hundred counts by the time we get done or more.
Bill Cunningham, your reaction on seven hundred ww Hi, I'm doctor James
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Reds and more plus later on Red's Baseball Unbeatable. I think they're off Thursday.
They're on tonight starting about six ten. First pitch about eight ten and
Friday, Saturday and Sunday they play in Houston, which could be a preview,
a preview of the World Series. What about the Reds and the Astros
in the World Series, It's possible. There are two and a half games
out of first. They did not win their thirty third game last year to
like July twelfth or thirteen, something like that. I've been about two months
earlier, and they had most of their players coming back. Lodolo's coming back,
Ashcraft's coming back, even Vado, maybe a DH at some point,
TJ's coming back. The team's going to look better in the future than it
has in the past. And right now they're unbeatable. Unbelievable, Andy mac
this is unbelievable. Now at getting back to Trump, Trump and Trump from
the time he came down the Escalator and the summer of twenty fifteen until now,
what a period of eight years, he's completely dominated American news media and
events like no president in American history. This is unbelievable, and one may
not be halfway done because I don't think it's likely there's going to be a
trial before the election in Miami and federal court. Although they're going to try
to get it done as quickly as possible. It's a no one's interest to
get that done because of the multitude of legal issues that arise when you indict
a former president on espionage charges. And I listen to Mike McConnell's comments and
many callers this morning who believe it or not, made some good points,
and that is that that the interaction of the Presidential Records Act with the Espionage
Act, and the fact this president claims that he declassified everything. Of course,
whether it did or not, you cannot allegedly violate the Espionage Act,
whether you have declassified documents or not. The Presidential Records Act is really not
mentioned. It's an espionage Act. It is alleged that Donald Trump in New
Jersey showed some nuclear capabilities and war plans to attack Iran and Bedminster, New
Jersey. Now, I would not be surprised at some point if the judge,
Judge Aline Cannon in Miami transfers a part of this case to New Jersey
federal court, because that crime did not take place allegedly in Miami at all.
It was part of a larger scheme. But when it's charged specifically and
they have is evidence of the person to whom he showed it under oath that
it did happen. That is little or nothing to do, nothing to do
with the Presidential Records Act. It's a covered person giving the nation's secrets allegedly
to a person not to authorized to receive them. And that happened in New
Jersey, it didn't happen in Miami. So here we are almost to the
middle of June, June fourteenth, almost there, not quite there by the
way today's Flag Day. And nonetheless that this case likely will not be tried
in Miami until after twenty four election, and then the announcements yesterday of Latisia
James the age of New York indicates that they're not going to try the New
York cases until after the federal cases are resolved. So, no matter what
happens, even if Donald Trump is re elected president, which is a fifty
fifty proposition at this point, he cannot pardon himself for crimes allegedly committed in
New York or in Fulton County in Atlanta, which those charges are coming in
July or August. Right now, he's up to seventy one felony counts and
Nicholas to say he's got to run the table in all seventy one. If
he doesn't, if he gets convicted of one of the seventy one, he's
going to spend the rest of his life in prison on charges that I think
should not be filed in the first place. Because something can be done should
not mean it should be done. There's reasons all the time were prosecutors and
the totality of the circumstances say, you know what, even though there was
a violation here, what was the real harm? And is it worth bringing
the charges if divides the country and impacts elections, Let's not do it.
Prosecutors have told me a few times they could have indicted some Democratic officeholders and
failed to do so because the conviction that would not be worth the effort,
you might call. There were numerous examples on the last city Council in Cincinnati
where Joe Dieters could have issued felony indictments against all kinds of individuals on city
council because only the Feds were acting against Jeff Pastor and PG. Sittenfeld and
Timia and Ard, and he could have filed state felony charges against them.
And put them all in state prison in addition to federal prison. But Joe
looked at it. I haven't talked to him about it, but I can
imagine he looked at it and said, well, we're dealing with in all
cases of justice taken place, and they've already received one hell of a punishment.
Let it go. And I would imagine that Joe and other prosecutors like
Rob Sanders have had examples in the past where they had some technical violation of
a felony statute of a Democratic Republican officeholder and said, you know what,
even though it happened, let's issue a report. The media has covered it.
Let's move on to burglaries and murders and rapes and robberies and wrongful shootings
and drug deals and all the rest. Let's move on to that stuff.
Because we have limited resources, how will they be deployed. So prosecutors all
the time say, you know, we could bring these criminal charges, but
let's not do it. In other words, prosecutorial discretion. But you have
Joe Biden and Merrick Garland, who was denied a seat on the US Supreme
Court by Republicans, politicize the indictment of a former president and leading candidate of
the opposition party on this kind of stuff is ridiculous. It is utterly ridiculous
because the Espionage Act deals with trading the nation's secrets or providing that information to
others as a consequence of what occurred. Did anything bad actually happen? I
guess I hear the argument it could have happened. It might have happened.
How about issuing a report out of the Special Counsel's Office, Jack Smith,
A nice lengthy report. This is what our investigation has found. Let the
American people decide if you want that guy to be reelected president, because right
now they've gone down a rabbit hole and it will not stop. Once they
begin, it will not stop. I want you to listen to. This
was recorded on June thirteenth, which is yesterday, by Hillary Clinton, who
might recall she called all Republicans the deplorables. It's about a minute long.
It was asking a podcast Hillary Clinton think about her history with her husband,
the suborning of perjury, the setting up and trashing of the girlfriends of her
husband as Secretary of State, Benghazi, in which four Americans were killed,
what difference does it make and then think about her with bleach bit and hammers,
destroying subpoeni test evidence and destroying classified materials and making sure that Carlos Danger
the pen name of Anthony Weener what to have informations to the nation's most profound
secrets. Dave Keaton hit it. Republicans claim that you got off so you
did the same thing and got off scott free. Why did your friend Jim
Comey let you off so easy that that's a really good question. I can't
figure that one out. Um, you know, I do think it's it's
uh odd. Let's just say, to the point of being absurd, how
that is their only response. You know, they refuse to read the indictment,
They refuse to engage with the facts. There's nothing new about that.
And what they refuse to admit is, you know, this is on a
track about him, not about anybody else. No matter how much that they
try to confuse people and how much they try to, you know, raise
extraneous issues. And it's going to be fast sinating, I guess in a
bizarre and sad way to watch them spin themselves up. If you watched any
of the news programs this weekend, I mean their efforts to defend this man
are truly beyond anything that I ever thought possible in our country. I mean,
it is so profoundly disturbing. How this could have been the break,
This could have been the opportunity to say, you know, thank you so
much for everything you've done for us. We really appreciate it, you know.
But this is kind of serious, and so we're not going to continue
to defend you. But no, they're all in again. That's what the
psychology of this is so hard for me to fully grasp. Psychology of it.
Profoundly disturbing, serious. She cannot grasp the idea of someone supporting Donald
Trump and the fact that he should not face criminal charges at the hands of
his opponent. Pull up truly anything thought possible in this country, Hillary Clinton,
seriously profoundly disturbing, serious, Are you kidding me? This comes from
Hillary Clinton, for God's sakes, who James Coley gave a Texas El Paso
too when she did similar misbehavior. She didn't share it with someone else.
She destroyed the evidence under a subpoena, many of which contain top secret sci
information, and she destroyed it completely. And she's on the attack against Republicans
for continuing to support and by the way, among my Democratic friends, and
I mean my Democratic friends, they see her as a safety valve. When
Joe Biden finally says, you know what, I can't run. I'm not
competent. At some point, maybe in March, is going to be I
will not seek nor will I accept the nomination on my party for another term
as your president. Joe Biden and Joe Biden and those around Joe Biden,
No, he's one more fall away from being incapable of serving invoking the twenty
fifth Amendment, which means that Kamala Harris would become the president. It's unbelievable.
The indictment accuses Trump of failing to comply with demands to return classified documents,
including plans for a retaliatory attack on an unnamed foreign power, which is
Iran. And so it's unbelievable that we have this happening in this country.
Because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. And secondly,
there's another way of getting this information out to the American people without indicting the
leadership of the opposition party. The kind of stuff you see in a Banana
Republic. So we'll see what happens there. Let's continue with more after one
o'clock today, we're gonna call Mike Allen Junior to tear apart to the Presidential
Records Act and also the Espionage Act to find out legally what is happening there.
Also, later on we're gonna have on James Bogan on the Mason family
that was obliterated in That's a wrong way driver incident. And to me,
it's incredible that Judge Stephen Dankoff called the defendant, Abbey Michaels not guilty of
killing three people when she obviously did. And a good friend of mine is
going to put me in touch with a family member of that family to talk
about the devastation. I could not imagine a worse circumstance than a young woman
on Saint Patrick's Day night, drunk out of her mind, driving the wrong
way on I seventy five, obliterating and killing, murdering three family members,
Tim Thompson, Karen Thompson, and Tessa the ten year old a daughter,
and getting off scott free. Not guilty, not guilty. It didn't happen.
So that'll be some time tomorrow And also after two o'clock today, So
if line becomes available five one, three, seven, four nine, seven
thousand pounds seven eight and t so, Michael Allen Junior and I going to
tear apart the witnesses, the evidence, and maybe you'll learn more about my
viewpoints and also the viewpoints of many Republicans who are smeared by Hillary Clinton on
a regular basis. So let's continue. And by the way, for those
who don't believe, if you've listened to the Reds the past two or three
games that they've played, I think the winning streak is now four. They
beat the Dodgers two out of three, and they're about to sweep the Kansas
City Royals. Day off on Thursday, then Friday, Saturday, and Sunday
in Houston. That's going to be a big series to see how the Reds
measure up against the best the World Series champs. Could there be a World
Series partially in Cincinnati between the Houston Astros and the Cincinnati Reds. Right now,
there's no better team in baseball than the Reds, and they haven't gotten
all their team members back. When they do get everyone back within the next
two to four weeks, the last half of the seasion should be very interesting,
so let's continue with more twelve to fifty five Home of your Reds News
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later, will be James Bogan coming up later, We'll be Professor Gerber coming
up later. We'll be Wayne Alan Route coming up later, will be everyone
between now and the end of business on Friday and then getting ready of course
for Sunday night and Father's Day. But until then, of course, to
Donald, yesterday was arraigned in Federal Court in Miami. I've been in that
court house and it's a wonderful facility, by the way, not like our
buildings with granted and all that stuff Potter Stewart stuff. This is as a
glass and it's gleaming, and it's beautiful and it's gorgeous. And the Donald
was escorted in and out. Barely saw him in and around court. But
then he went to a Cuban restaurant thereafter. And all the commentators have now
weighed in about what's going to happen in the future, and it appears based
upon Letitia James, who as you know, is the Attorney General of New
York, and Alvin Bragg, they're going to delay any more proceeding in the
New York cases until the conclusion of the federal case, I wouldn't know it.
On site was the Fulton Monty sheriff. Fulton County Sheriff represents Atlanta,
etc. And the Fulton County Sheriff has been to New York and to Miami
to determine what kind of security they have in place. Because if Fannie Willis
is the prosecutor kind of the Melissa Powers of Fulton County is going to bring
criminal charges against Donald Trump in July or August and Fulton County for trying to
quote fix Georgia elector slate. And this thing's going to go on maybe for
the rest of my life, certainly for the next three to five years.
And if the Donald gets elected in November of next year, was certainly a
possibility because he's going to be the Republican nominee, he can pardon himself probably.
However, he cannot pardon himself from crimes committed against Georgians and New Yorkers.
By that, I mean the president has no power whatsoever to pardon himself
or anyone about state laws. So the Democratic Party is organ eyes itself so
that even if the Donald is re elected, he cannot stop New York or
Georgia. Now, there would be a motion filed if Donald Trump is re
elected to delay those proceedings in federal court until after his presidency is concluded,
and that would probably be granted. You can't have a commander in chief locked
up in Sing Sing And so we're talking about stuff between twenty twenty five and
twenty twenty nine, and then the Dice criminal charges in twenty thirty one,
when he's about ninety seven years old in Georgia and New York. So for
the rest of my life, for the rest of Mike Allen Junior's life,
we're going to be involved with Donald Trump joining us now as at Saint Mike
Allen Junior and Mike Allen Junior, I'll call you, Mike Allen the lesser
welcome, I think for the first time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Mike,
how are you? Yes, yes, sir. I am humbled and
thrilled to be with you here, Bill, And this entire thing is just
making me go cross eyes. Wells mate. If it wasn't someone that I
kind of like and care about and voted for, I'd i'd be more of
a spectator. But the country's in trouble. We're in serious trouble, and
we're dealing with the issues, and we may have a current president taking bags
of cash from Barisma. First of all, I got three topics to discuss
one, two, three. Number one is jury nullification. When I watched
what happened in Miami Dade County yesterday, well with the glory shown that you
didn't see in New York City, explain to the American people what is jury
nullification? Well, Bill, it's in layman's terms, it's when a jury
goes, well, there may have been crimes committed here, but guess what,
we're not coming back with a guilty verdict. And if my view here
is this, this is going to be a very very tough case for Jack
Smith, especially with a Miami fury. I'm lucky enough to have some some
Miami natives in my family, human immigrants, and they are the strongest Donald
Trump supporters, I think in the entire country, and it's very hard for
me to imagine a situation where there's not one juror on that jury that just
says, you know what, I'm sorry, I'm not doing this, nah
baby nah. Now the other issue too, I think is is that Jack
Smith he's dreaming if he thinks that this is going to be an expeditious ordeal.
He's talked about bad trial rights, and my first response was, well,
this is a protection for the defendant, not a tool for the prosecution.
So this is not going to be and quick process, so to speak.
No federal cases, but especially one like this. You know, it's
literally a first of its kind. So there's going to be a lot of
issues to figure out here. But as you said, it's it's very difficult
for me to believe that there's not going to be one juror that doesn't hold
out here and that the other you know, the inverse is true, is
Donald Trump. You know, he's got to beat every single one of these
counts. You know, he can't lose one of them, and you know
Jack Smith can't lose one juror either. It's an interesting point because as we
sit here this afternoon on Wednesday, he's facing seventy one felony charges and different
jurisdictions. The Fulton County case is going to metast the size Julae or August.
According to Fannie willis the prosecutor, and he's going to be facing over
one hundred charges, and he also has pending over five hundred lawsuits against him
of one type or another, and he's got the multimillion dollars judgments. But
getting back your jury nullification is jury nullification legal? So if some juror has
sworn under oath, yes, Judge, I'm gonna follow the law. Yes,
Judge, I'm willing to convict. Yes, Judge, I'll listen to
the charge that you give me. Yes, Judge, I'm gonna listen to
the opening, closing, I'm gonna listen to all the statement. I'm gonna
listen to the FBI, the US Marshall Service, I'm gonna listen to the
Secret Service, and doj and sitting in the jury room that one jurorse,
that's despite the evidence of the law that indicates Donald Trump is guilty, I
find him not guilty. Not? Is that legal? Yeah? And that's
the thing what you're talking about now, Bill, is the sitting and the
listening. You know, you know what I mean. It's it's are you
diligent? Are you not doing you know some of the things we saw with
the Widmer trial and other other cases where you know, things have come back,
you know, as far as experiments things like that. But but yeah,
I mean the jury, I think the verdict would stand at minus.
You know, any avenue that the government would have to start trying into.
You know, what the conversations were in the jury. Were they doing experiments
stuff like that. But that's tough, because it's tough explain the circumstances.
Some of the strongest pieces of evidence here is the fact that it appears the
Secret Service agents are going to testify against Donald Trump and his own lawyers called
in the indictments Lawyer one, two and three, Explain the interaction of a
lawyer. Let's say you and your dad represents somebody on a big time case,
and all of us suspicion that Mike Allen the Greater and Mike Allen the
Lesser are somehow involved in the criminal activity of their own client. And suddenly
you find yourself in front of a Hamlet County grand jury. The two you're
sitting there hamahammahamma, and you're given the immunity if you tell the truth,
and then you pierce that veil between the lawyer and their client. Explain how
that happened in this case and why it's very rare for that to occur.
Bill, Basically how it happened is there's something called the crime fraud exception,
wherein you know, I tell my clients this all the time when they sit
down with me. I tell my client, I need to know everything so
I can start thinking ahead. It's my job to anticipate what's going to happen.
But my client cannot come to me and say, Mike, I want
you to help me commit a crime. Now. That's what Amy Burman Jackson
ruled the DC based federal judge that allows jack Smith to pierce the attorney client
privilege based on that exception. But I'll be honest with you, Bill,
and I'm really glad you asked me this. My dad and I had a
long talk yesterday and it was basically this. This is going to have a
devastating effect, I think on criminal defense attorneys ever everywhere, because you're gonna
have clients that go, good God, If the former president's attorneys can turn
government informant, if they can get to my lawyer, what makes me think
that Mike Dowllan and Mike Allen Senior aren't subject to that as well. I
gotta be honest with you that is devastating to the practice of criminal defense work.
And the other thing is too, as far as is the notes of
Evan Corkran those as far as Donald Trump's defense, He's got to find a
way to get those excluded because again they are used that testimony, those notes
are going to are used for the obstruction counts in the indictment. But I
gotta be honest with you, it's chilling, so to speak, to think
that now I'm going to have that obstacle as a practicing defense attorney of my
clients saying to me, will wait a minute, they got to Donald Trump's
attorneys. It makes me think they can't get to you. That is,
I can't tell you how many times I don't actively practice law much anymore,
But I can't tell you how many times Less Gains and I would sit down
with major criminal defendants when I did bank robbery cases for Judge Porter and Judge
Rubin in federal court. How many times I sat down My client said,
look, look, mister Smith, everything you tell me her is privileged.
I got to hear everything, the truth and unvarnished. If you did these
things, you must tell me what you did, how you did it,
where, the gun is, where the money is, who else was involved?
And you have to convince your client to just bear his soul to you
and tell you everything. And you make copious notes about what he is saying,
where the money was, where he got the gun, where he ditched
this, how come this person? And if and if it gets out and
it is out. It is an exception the crime fraucts. It is rarely
used. But in this case it appears that the judge the Donald told there
through his attorneys there are no more classified documents here. So Jack Smith kept
digging and digging and digging. It appears Secret service agents are among the best
people in the world, in my opinion, who would give their life for
someone else. Testified under oath that there were more classified documents. And so
the judge goes back to those three lawyers and say, I have some information
there there's an ongoing crime. Are you involved in the crime or do you
want immunity assuming you tell the truth. So the lawyers went home to their
partners and to their wives and said, honey, I'm looking at fifteen to
twenty years in jail or I got to testify against Donald Trump. And so
the lawyers flipped Donald Trump's lawyers flipped on Donald Trump. It's unbelievable. That's
terrifying. And I guess that's a smaller example built into a bigger example.
And when this happens, the only thing other than just pure as a citizen
and as an attorney, an officer of court, pure shock. The first
thought that went through my mind was this is a perfect example of just because
you can does not mean you should. I mean, this is truly breaking
the emergency class on our democracy, and that you know, there's we're crossing
a rubicon here that we don't know where this goes. You don't know what
the consequences of this are. And then you have, you know, an
entire half of a citizenry that don't trust it, aparts that don't trust the
FBI, and why would they when you look, you look at what Hillary
Clinton did, and it's it's astounding to me that these facts were indicted while
what Hillary Clinton, I mean, we can play jeopardy here storing classified documents
in a bathroom on a server, check well, taking those documents home when
you shouldn't check. And then you have the added thing of the bleach bit
and taking hammers to these devices and Jim Homie's little two step on, well,
was this extremely careless or negligent? The smashing and the bleach bidding sort
of sheds light on what Jim Cumbey was so confused about, and that those
are purposeful acts. She specifically had the intense to destroy this evidence. So
it's very hard when you see people like Hillary Clinton, like Brennan and these
other folks that are out celebrating this and lecturing about a justice system and about
our democracy, when you go, wait a minute, Hillary Donald can produce
this material. You can't because you destroyed it. I mean, it's it's
laughable, but at the same time it's it's terrifying, especially for attorneys.
Well, I can't imagine what would happen in federal court here in Cincinnati or
in Covington with Bertelsman. That if some prosecutors said, well, using this
case as a as a president, let's make Mike Allen Senior and Junior put
them under oath in front of a grand jury. Is to tell us exactly
everything their client told us about where the heroine came from, who they bought
it from, where is it now, how many deaths recalls, where'd the
money go. I can't imagine practicing law if this becomes standard procedure. Now,
if this was national security and the sense of oh god, we're about
to be nuclear attacked, we're about okay. But this is about pieces of
paper interspersed with newspaper articles and boxes protected by a private security detail and by
the Secret Service itself. Nobody was going to walk into that bathroom or marlogue
of the ballroom and start taking out boxes. And this was protected, unlike
what Joe Biden had in numerous locations that was not protected. And because you
can do something doesn't mean you should do it. And the other thing you
brought it up, Mike Allen the lesser, and that is Washington d C.
I can only imagine if Hillary Clinton was on trial and Washington DC on
her charges, she would have been found not guilty by acclamation by the jury
pool in Miami. It's completely different circumstances. How good is it for the
Donald to be in Miami and not Washington, D C? For the jury?
If Donald Trump could sit down and choose where do I want this case
tried? He would say he would he would without questions, say South Florida.
He is, and I mean this. I have family members who are
from South Florida that are Cuban immigrants. He they are fanatical. I mean,
they are the biggest Donald Trump supporters. But the other thing about that,
too, Bill is nobody knows better about political prosecutions than Cuban immigrants.
I mean, this stuff really jars them and it scares them because they have
that background of politically motivated prosecutions. I mean, when you if you take
out the names here and you say a sitting president's Department of Justice is indicting
his biggest political opponent, you would you would say Nicaragua, you would say
some other ran at a republic. So if I were Donald Trump, I
would be thrilled about trying this case in South Florida. As opposed to DC
Mike Allen Junior, Joe Biden has arrested and indicted Donald Trump, his main
opposition for the presidency. It's you can't make it up. I guess we're
blessed living interesting times. Mike Allen Junior, thank you for the first time,
I hope many times, for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank
you, Mike, absolutely Willie, thank you for having me. Man.
God bless America. All right, let's continue with more news, and the
Stute reports are next. We've scheduled today to having the Withrow High School boys
rugby team, having had the Saint X Boys in yesterday. Today's rugby,
which, by the way, is a tough, tough game to play,
which is why my wife is putting together a senior citizen female team of rugby
players. We're gonna have matches at Xavier put up by Bob Cole, heep
of Sintas, and I'm gonna give you information later over sixty five and fem
identify as a female, you can play rugby. Man. You talk about
tough, these ladies are mean. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News
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wait till he goes to Montgomery in get some barbec better food there. Segment.
You have some royalty here when it comes to rugby. We have the
state width row title champions, led a course by coach Nathan Myers. Jonathan
Pettitt. One of the players is here, Jamez Early related to Jimmy Early's
a great U singer, but first of all, a coach a lot.
Let's begin with Coach Myers, tell me about the state title that with row
the Tigers won under your leadership and Tyrone Hill. Well, we're incredibly excited
for what the young men were able to accomplish. Started this season with seventeen
players in their first year of playing rugby, so we quickly and had enough
committed corps that we could really find some momentum. And uh as the season
wore on, we saw more and more of what we were capable of and
these I'm just incredibly proud of each of these guys for what we accomplished.
We beat the two time defending state champions in the state finds Watkins Memorial High
School, just outside of Columbus, never heard of. They had gone two
straight seasons, two straight springs without losing a game, playoffs and ra they
were likely right early and first of all, explained to Hawka dance because that's
one of the things. My wife is a very good rugby player. She's
in her early seventies, but she wants to start a senior citizen female rugby
league and I'm thinking, and they want to do the huck said the hucka?
What do you call that thing? They got a good insurance policy,
insurance, but these women are tough, like Segment's mom's thinking about joining,
I hope, So now, what's a do you do? The hucka dance?
Never heard of it. Yeah, we do, we do not,
So that's uh, find this would be beautiful. Yeah, this is huge.
I mean the Pacific Islander culture is really big in rugby, and each
of these areas in the Pacific Islands have their own unique hawca that they do.
So New Zealand does, one, Tonga does one American Samoa. It's
it's it was rooted really in real warfare. And so they do this war
dance before their games and they face off against each other. And I've seen
you know, they even use it as a sign of dignity and pride,
like when somebody retires a long time, you know, as administrator of a
coach, everybody in the school, why not two days boys to hawka dance
row style New Zealand appropriation. Well, you can't do that anymore. You're
you'll be canceled, believe me. Got cultural stuff got jemads so early.
Talk about what happened. Was there a key moment in the game when it
was at risk, Your boys are down, there was a blood flowing from
your eyeballs and your nose. You were getting beat, and you delve deep
into your soul and grab their monocle of vic three and ran forward. Give
me a full report, so I would say it's we were up seven points
inside of their twenty two meters. The highlight that I always remember is we
if we kicked the ball out of bounce, we win. If we dead
ball, if we dad the ball, we win. I sanked it.
I had a chance to shank it. Yeah, so I turned my hips
when I kicked it, and they stayed in and they actually scored a try
off of it, but scored a try, which is basically a touchdown rugby.
They did a try. Yeah, So that's one thing I'm gonna remember
from that game. And that also it's just me seeing my players or my
guys teammates. Give it to y'all, everybody under the post. What's tougher?
You play a lot of high school football, football or rugby. Rugby
is most definitely more tough. Why it's it's a it's not a grinder support,
but it's like it allows you to give you so you have to give
it your And it takes leather balls to play rugby, correct. The other
balls are plastic. These are leather. Yeah, all right, If you
ever get hurt, no rugby, you have to be a smart rugby player.
So if you're smart, you're skin in the field, then you should
be fine. And coach, how does it look next year for these boys
you have? I mean, he's leaving with his uncle Jimmy Early, he's
leaving. How does it look next year for the rugby team at with Row?
I mean each year we have the opportunity to continue to recruit. We're
expecting more momentum and more young men involved next year, So we're gonna lean
heavily on the guys that do have experience, and we'll keep working the system
that we work to help these guys go from from ground zero and never played
a single minute rugby in their life, never heard of it, and and
then ramp up quickly and recognize all the opportunities that rugby can provide for them.
Did the ladies or the girls like rugby players? Yeah? No,
come around. How about it? You have a girls rugby team? We
beat you each of the last few years. There's one Cincinnati girls area rugby
teams. They're a multi school club team. They've been incredibly successful as well
in each time they play. Though there's one team, Yeah, well,
well there's one in Cincinnati, but they'll play it. There's a team in
Dayton, there's a few in Columbus, and then Cleveland's very heavy as well.
So once they get to the state level, that's when they run into
some really serious opposition. They made their way all the way to the state
quarterfinals this year and have won the state championship three years out of the last
six. I believe, so very successful. And we've had with three girls
that have played on that team as well. A pipe dream to have senior
citizen females play rugby. My wife's dream is to have an active league of
over sixty five women to play rugby. Is that? I tell her,
dear that maybe biting off more than you can chew a way? Is that?
Is that possible? Jonathan Pettitt, the grandson of Bob Pettitt. Seventy
year old women play play play rugby. I think where there's a will,
there's a way. If they won two they could I mean two hand touches.
Oh no, they want to play full time. If they want to
play tackle, I would, you know, considered some padding and again I
would take out of an insurance policy. I have some medical staff. Did
you see your grandma playing female rugby? Yeah? I think I'll grow.
I'll be a full back, which is the fifty. Because my grandma,
she's tough. She liked to play, wouldn't she. My people are being
in touch with your people. Let's get some to get these seventy five yard
women out there and get them playing. Once you try it, I mean
there's no turning back. I tell my wife that in many things. Yeah,
segment, give me some sports and make it fast. Willie the Stude
Reporters a pro service of your local teen star heating and air conditioning dealers,
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five one, three, three, eight, five, seventy seven sixty five
sports. Will Brandon Williamson got his first big league win. The red scored
early and often in the second ending, and the bullpen was brilliant five to
four win over the Royals last night. Four wins in a row. The
Reds are two and a half back of first place Pittsburgh in the NL Central.
They're thirty three and thirty five and their twenty second come from behind win
last night. Nathan, what do you think about the Reds. We're excited
about dyla cruise and the Gang. It's a super exciting time. He played
rugby day La Cruiz cruise six foot five, make a great rugby player.
But you need some thick legs. Down't you need thick legs? Got skinny
legs? Run like the problem, and you're gonna go college. You're gonna
go to Rio Grand the home of Bibo Francis. Well, that's what I'm
leaning towards. I haven't made a full commit me yet. You're gonna play
an ni Ol money, make a couple of million bucks. That's the dream.
That's the dream, that's the plan. Alright, sake, please continue,
Let's see the series wraps up tonight, Willie as the Reds look for
the sweep. Uh coverage begins at six o'clock with a Lance and sports Talk
you Crate Insight Pitch at seven ten Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning Show after the game.
The Bengals just finished up there a little while ago there Day two of
Mandatory Minicamp. Are you as swifty? Yeah? I used to date her.
You know she wrote a song about me. Can't say it was after
John Mayer character. I never liked that guy. I never liked that guy.
The Vegas Golden Knights Williere Stanley Cup champions after a nine to three route
of the Florida Panthers last night. They win that series in five games.
Of course, the champs are have local ties of former Miami RedHawks hockey stars
Alec Martinez and Riley Smith added a goal of peace and last night's win.
Does Width Row play hockey men's ice hockey? No, we do not.
Please continue saying. Also, let's see this US Open up date, brought
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the sight tomorrow. Willie for the US Open starting tomorrow, and Roy Rory
McElroy and Brooks EPCA are paired together, two central figures in the dispute between
Live Golf and the PGA Tour. And um, we say all the best
too to the commissioner. He's out on medical leaf. I don't know what's
going on. I don't know what's going on. Got to find out.
No, they're not saying Kepca and malcol Roy. I'd take Kepca both.
He's unbelievable and you and major tournaments. It's pretty good. Yes he is.
They'll have the knives out. I don't mean literal. I'm a figure
it they'll be I mean literally that that round might be a little bit quiet,
a little quiet tomorrow now. And what do you want to be when
you grow up? Well that's a good idea. How like? So that's
open. You're making a hundred grand? And uh, you know you go
to Christ's Hospital and they pay for your education if you agree that work there
like three to five years, make one hundred grand? Help people? What's
wrong with that? Nothing at all? Do you know what the people?
You know what the macdua oblong gotta is. Yes, I don't know what
that is. It's good. You'll be a nursing. You're watching two much
Andy Griffin oblongata wa Yeah, watched the water Boy movie boy Yeah? Andy
segment. Did you have any rugby at Coleraine when you were getting her geed
there? No, we did not know. We had no no, no
rugby, no rugby? How many schools playing rugby? But I had the
Muller people and they have a team. Do you beat Mueller? We did
not beat their their eighteen this year. We did beat their B team.
We did beat Saint X's. Uh. But saying actually no good, I
mean there are a bunch of elite. Go you got Rocky You saw Rocky
boyment out front, that's the reason. Yeah, Rocky Boy, he's an
elitist. Yeah, I'm like a common man. Yeah. It's a massively
growing sport in Ohio. So we're grateful to have a good community here in
Cincinnati. But we also have some rivals in like Watkins in Columbus. Never
heard and a few others and Tangie never heard of them either. Yeah,
but you got uh, you got lacrosse is coming and you got rugby.
Yeah instead of football? Isn't that less injuries? And oh, I ask
is there less injuries in football or rugby? Let's say it's more andrews and
football and that's just there's more collisions and then you have extra like helmets and
pads. That's more concussion stuff like that. Oh and rugby you don't wear
much equipment at all. Nothing. You wear pads of some sort, but
if you choose to, but then you like get on somebody, just like
push against them right and in the dirt, like running a kickoff or something.
So are you gonna play rugby at Rio Grand or Ohio State? What
are you gonna play? I'm gonna play rugby. That's what I want to
go for grass that it's pretty good. Yeah. In the last five years,
we've had fifteen young men and women from Withrow that have played on the
collegiate level for rugby, and we're gonna continue funneling them that way. So
not only are we trying to be competitive on the high school level, but
also exploring opportunities for them collegiately and always excited about possible professional possibilities. That's
what I'm thinking about these women, a senior citizen women rugby could be something
on es. It's looking to the cover stuff and that this could be it
I would watch. So in ten years it might not be high school football.
Oh, no, complimentary sports and what's in the meantime basketball? Yeah,
you want to play, all right, we'll coaches. Congratulations hide to
Bob Pettit if you see him, my grandfather and Nathan Congratulations on the state
title. And there's a trophy right there, whether permission, will go out
front get some pictures. And the other players here are with us. Could
not make it today, but Jamez Early did. He's the senior, is
the fly half? Is he your best player? He's one of the best
We have a great mix of guys that made it all possible. Segment your
reaction. Just more champions, Willy, We just bring them on in.
Coming up next is uh James Bogan Attorney about the killing of that family from
Mason on I seventy five. Did he get away with it? Yes?
She did? Okay, unbelievable. It's terrible. I'm gonna have want a
family member tomorrow to talk about him. Segment Get me out of the stuge
repark congratulation William honor of with Rower their Division two rugby championship. We leave
you with the immortal words of the stud report, Bill Cunningham, is nothing
without you, seg seg did you put that in there on your own?
No? You're sure, Yeah, you're lying to me. No, Let's
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Billy Cunning in the Great Americans throwing and a guess the long. In fact,
I've scheduled tomorrow for maybe a family member to come on and talk about
the terrible case of Verdi can Stay versus Abbey Michaels. She was the young
woman that drove the wrong way on I seventy five, killing the family of
Tim Thompson himself, Karen Thompson and Tessa, the ten year old little girl,
and a terrible, seemingly DUI incident. The blood sample was thrown out
a court because of a lack of refrigeration, but the judge in this case,
Steve dan Coff of Montgomery County Common Police Court, did not find sufficient
evidence shown to you. And I now is James Bogan, criminal offense attorney,
And James, I know you've looked at this case and your perspective normally
as mine is from criminal defense perspective. But what did the judge find?
And first of all, what did he find to do you have any problems
with it? But first of all, what did Judge Stephen dan call find
relative to the matter of stay versus Abbe Michaels. Well, he found her
not guilty of murder the aggravated vehicular homicide case. That charge was dropped because
they couldn't go forward with it because of that blood test blunder by the police.
But in this opinion here the number one thing that stands out is you
have that text by Abbe Michaels to her husband shortly after he got up big
off the phone where he called her saying she called him saying hey, I
want to come see you and he's basically no way. And the husband testified
that she expressed some suicidal ideation orally over to phone and then she sends this
text shortly before the crash, saying goodbye, I love you, Kyle,
I'm dying now, and that on its face, the judge says, on
its face, the text most certainly does not even hint at a plan to
drive an oncoming track an I seventy five. That's like saying two plus two
equals six, which is what I think this whole opinion is, how does
that's expressing suicidal ideation? And how the heck is someone going to interpret that
as, Oh, you didn't say you were going to do it with a
gun or with a car, so you weren't really saying you were gonna do
what you said you're gonna do. And the judge also completely ignored the testimony
of another driver where this other driver saw her turning around to go back onto
the wrong side of the road before driving that way. And that's just this
verdict just defies logic and James Bogan, in order to operate a motor vehicle,
there's lots of conscious things you have to do, so unlike simply maybe
firing a gun out of window not knowing if the bullet's going to hit somebody
way out there, to operate a motor vehicle, you have to pay attention.
Her foot was on the gas pedal all the way to the floor.
She sends a suicidal slash homicidal text. And you know, it's not a
crime to commit suicide or try to kill yourself, but homicide is a problem.
And there's not more a clear example when she sent that last text to
her husband, whose name is Kyle Pastorelli, because he had just filed two
days previously to that incident, to the murder, a divorce petition, trying
to divorce this woman. And so she sends the text and that can you
read the text again, which is two minutes before the crash, showing her
intent goodbye, I love you, Kyle, I'm dying now. Well,
isn't that an indication she's about to purposely engage in behavior the result of which
would be her death. And by going the wrong way on I seventy five
and aiming her vehicle at the one driven by the Mason family, she wanted
to do suicide and homicide because if she wanted simply to kill herself, she
did not have to go on the wrong side of I seventy five, a
purposeful act. She could have run into a bridge abutment on her side,
So the fact explained from the prosecutor's perspective, and I guess the prosecutor did
a pretty good job. Her name is Anne Grandza, Assistant prosecutor, Montgomery
County. But in order to get to that point of committing suicide, many
she had to commit a homicide in the process, and explained from a let's
go to the prosecutor's perspective, what did they have to indicate she purposely killed
those three people. Well, that other driver on the road that night said
he saw Michael's meet controlled movements as she used an emergency turnaround to drive into
oncoming traffic. That's not something you're doing while you're having a seizure. Now,
the thing that gets me is that the judge says, oh, she
must have been having a seizure while she was doing this. These controlled movements
show that at least up up until the crash, it looks like she did
was in control of herself. And the fact that her jaw was locked shut
that was found after the crash, And I do think that there could have
been some testimony put on to rebut that saying hey, you know, you're
not going to have controlled movements like this when you're in the middle of the
seizure. So if someone a seizure, I'm fortunately I've not had one.
I assume you haven't had one. But if someone's having a seizure, don't
they lose control of their bodily movements. Yes, and there's no way you
can use an emergency turnaround to purposely turn around and go into oncoming traffic.
And yes, she did have mental health problems, but you don't see anything
here about naculs very reason insanity report. The judge said, because for mental
illness which was untreated, it was likely she was not knowingly or recklessly operating
the car. Which it's like beasts to me. That's like the judge saying,
oh, I think she was innocultary reason in sanity. So that's pretty
much what I'm gonna do here. Well, the lawyer Jay Adams must have
done a great job confusing the issue, and you and I like to confuse
issues when we represent people. But nonetheless, there was not a medical expert
who got understand who said she was having psychogenic, non epileptic seizures that would
cause her to lose control of the vehicle. Because the test, the money
from the other driver who witnessed what was going on and the kid as you
was in control of the vehicle. Correct, Yes, And you know,
I do wonder if the state could have put on their own mental health expert
or so on, and but you know that's just uh, that's just the
benefit of hindsight. And you know, we don't get to see we get
to dissect this thing after it happened this morning. Or Scott Sloan had on
a family member that talked about the devastation of the of the murder of Tim
Thompson and Karen Thompson, a little Tessa Thompson's what that's done for the family,
which is horrible. Can you conceive of other criminal charges that could be
filed at this point against Ammy Michaels, But at this point I think they've
blow they've exhausted their possibilities. Unfortunately, if the police had not screwed up
with that blood test refrigery, I think they could have at least had her
for aggravated vehicular homicide, three counts of it. That would have been enough
to put her away for a few decades. As far as the blood explained.
How that happens because she was injured in the incident herself, that is
Abbie Michael's explained taking the blood against her will. I would imagine taking blood
at the hospital and what they what the police did with it. Well,
the police had custody this blood sample to bring it to the corner's lab to
get it tested, and under the Ohio Administrative Code, they're supposed to refrigerate
it right away so that it doesn't keep fermenting and make the alcohol reading go
up. In this case, they didn't do that, and under the law,
the blood sample had to be thrown out. And I guess, of
course, the breath test wasn't available, the finger on her nose as stigmas
wasn't available because she was injured, and then they took the blood test.
So and the good old days I mentioned this to another lawyer friend of mine,
And the good old days, maybe thirty forty years ago, people were
convicted all the time of dui without a blood test, without an intoxalizer.
And this case you had so many pieces of evidence to indicate that she was
driving under the influence, including Karen Johnson of Channel five. Karen Johnson,
the Great Reporter, had video of her at the Saint Patrick's Day party,
and some goofy looking hat seemingly on the influence of alcohol before this happened.
Then you have her driving erratically. It wasn't there significant evidence of drunk driving
without the blood test, you know when it's based on security cameras, that
I would need to look at the footage more closely be able to give more
definiti advanser on that apparently prosecutors so don't know what they felt they had,
but that that aggravated vehicular homa side charge. Those counts were dismissed the friday
before the trial. You know. Ever, every now and then, James
Bogan, criminal defense attorney, you have a case like this where you shake
your head and say, how's this possible? How's it possible that this young
woman could kill three people, husband, wife and child and get away with
it. It's almost it's mind boggling. But if you line up the reasons.
Number one, what was the refrigeration of the blood alcohol which was a
serious blunder, big mistakes. Secondly, trial tactics, you would have to
think there could have been an expert to put on to indicate that psychogenic non
epileptic seizures would call someone not to be in control of the car, but
she obviously was. And thirdly, to have witnesses testify about her going the
wrong way on I seventy five and aiming her vehicle at another car to kill
them and seemingly to judge I'd love to as a criminal offense attorney, you
would love to have Judge Steven dan Cough on all your cases because this guy
was looking for reasons to find her not guilty instead of objectively look at objectively
looking at the evidence. But well, James Bogan, your final comments on
this case, I just don't know what to say. I think we've said
it all here. This is just one of those that really makes you scratch
your head. It kind of fell through the system, didn't it. And
that's one way of putting it. Yeah, all right, James Bogan,
We'll see what happens. I'm gonna try to get on another family member tomorrow,
but for whatever it's worth, I don't see of another And she's been
locked up for about about three and a half four years. Couldn't make bond.
At least she's got some punishment, but it's insufficient when you talk about
the death of three people and a targeting incident. On I seventy five,
all of work on all of us drive on interstate highways, and I could
not imagine at night was someone seemingly, according to the video, at the
Saint Patrick's Day bar party, she was out of her mind, she was
drunk, she was just notified that she was her husband's getting a divorce.
And then Kyle Pasterelli testified goodbye, basically I'm going to kill myself, and
the judge said, well, that's not worthy of belief. The judge said,
well, I mean he just dismissed completely. He said, quote is
crystal cleared to the court that Kyle Pastorrelli's testimony is untrue and unworthy of belief
quote unquote, because he should have told the police that on the night of
the incident. Well maybe it's I think, yeah, I think he was
probably in shock, yeah, and that's probably why he didn't say that.
And I think that text message goodbye love you, Kyle, I'm dying now.
I think that corrobbery what he's testified to absolutely, it does absolutely,
and I don't I don't know, but he did when that happened, but
he didn't down nine one one, But he didn't tell police for a while
goodbye, because he might have thought, well, you know, we'll see
what happens to me. You know, he didn't know. He didn't know
she was trying to drive into somebody. I mean, he didn't know.
If some divorce, you know, future separated husband wife gets that kind of
stuff, you might reflect on it for a long time then call her in
the morning or afternoon saying, hey, you know, if I can help
with something, let me know. But we need to end this thing.
But it's sad that sometimes you have an opportunity of justice, but sometimes not
justice itself. So James Bogan, thank you for your perspective. And we're
gonna try to get on another family member either Thursday Friday to kind of wrapped
us up. But as you say, this little or nothing that came down
at this point. I can imagine civil lawsuits could be filed. But but
I'm sure that Aby Michaels has little or no assets, but she might have
some insurance. But we'll see what happens, all right, James Bogan,
thank you very much. Thank you, James, Thank you for having me
always a privilege. Thank you, James. James Bogan, criminal offense Attorney.
This is a head scratcher. Let's continue, Bill Cunningham, News Radio,
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heard that. I've heard the tour is a lot of fun. Though maybe
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get the music and Swifty I am not though you claim to be. Question,
do you gain or lose respect for Joe Burrow if you went to a
Swifty concert. I'm being told he may have a prominent part in the Swifties.
He may be on stage. Well, they said you're going to be
on stage with him, Taylor. If Joe Burrow appears on stage on some
sort of acts as tone of go berserk at the Taylor Swift concert. Would
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she come in June thirtieth in July one is that it hit us? Get
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India, and you sent a few, you know, I bet Joe Hunter
Green will be there, Jonathan India. Hit it here we go? Oh
man, you sing you sing this in the truck on the way home.
Wow, Swifty had a concert. Swifty boyman, I'm kind of weird if
I was your kids in there too. What about Kelly? Uh, she
kinda. I don't think she cares her politics very much, but women like
this. I'm in Reddin's Fine. Meets him a dairy yesterday and the guy
behind the counter says to me, he's listening, and he said, are
you really going to the concert? And I said, I think I'm gonna
be. I think I am. And he said, I got two tickets
in the second row. I see Toledo. I said, what you gotta
do? He can't? I said, what my daughter would kill me?
How would you adopt by his daughter a automobile ten years old. I said,
now, wait a minute. He got some lottery. He got two
tickets to sell. He's thinking. I said, whatever it takes, if
you can get twelve thousand dollars for two tickets, oh anything. So that
caller caught it and said, look, we got in early. We got
these tickets, besid. But you know, and my daughter's gonna be mad.
But we're gonna go on location we've ever gone on on that twelve thousand
dollar profit. Well, he's gonna be twelve. I said, I can't
do it. I said, you can't take this second row. Oh name
beer price. He makes fifteen dollars an hour and he won't take twelve.
Saw. I can't do it. I said, we got to talk.
You can change the direction of your twelve Yes, pay off a bunch of
bills here those punitive taxes in Hamilton County. All that about an hour ago.
Rock, I'm glad you changed the subject. We had on the widthrow
Tiger rugby team visit two champs. They brought in the state Nathan Myers and
Jonathan Pettit, who, by the way, is the grandson of Bomb Pettitt,
of course, remember him Saint Laws US yep, and they played Saint
X and rugby. I'm sure that was the first question you probably asked,
name you having to be Saint X. Third one? It was a third
one. What's gonna happen to rugby? Say in ten years? He said,
it will be the number one sport in this town. Now here's a
deal. Now that rugby on the surface seems ridiculous, and I think it
is. But but when I was in high school and lacrosse was a club
sport, there was like twelve or fifteen guys. They're always carrying these sticks
through the hallways and stuff, and I'm like, what is this? And
like they're like, oh my gods, lacrosse. This is gonna be the
biggest thing ever you watch. This will be the biggest sport that kids are
gonna want to play in twenty years. And I'm like, okay, whatever,
you're gonna what I'll do? Baseball? Guess what banks are playing?
These deaths? Yep, lacrosse is bigger than baseball. On the surface.
What the young man says ridiculous, ridiculous. But and he said, the
reason is you don't wear helmets but I said, I've seen the rugby in
New Zealand, et cetera, and they do that. I want to get
a hucka dance together. Maybe people here could do a huka dance. Put
the skirt on the whole deal. Because I identify as a Polynesian, a
male warrior, so I can be what I want to be right absolutely in
this country. I'm a six foot ten in Chinese female and right now and
then I say that, and who knows? I want to be in the
third grade again. I'll go back to the third grade. But he said,
we don't wear helmets. Had one of his great players in the he's
called half a fly half. The fly half is Jemez Early Senior. He's
All American fly half. And he said he plays half back in football and
he plays fly half. He said football is more difficult because you wear helmets
and pads and you hit. When you play rugby, you don't have helmets
on. You got ear muffs and you got a little padding for the gonads
and that's about it. He said, you don't hit that hard. In
fact, you can't use your head at all. He can't can't use your
shoulder. Got to you now, it was the great Mike Dick about a
decade ago, put out the proposition, that's what they should do with the
NFL players. Remember the big push take the head out of the game,
less concussions. He said, take the helmets off of them. Now you
can't do that. But this is the same flaw, same thing. You
don't have a plastic padded thing that can take a humongous blunt force and you
won't use your head right. And he said, it's the next big thing.
He'd rather play rugby than football. He's got some football scholarships. He's
the nil situation with rugby these days. Tell me that then, I don't
know, idea. I don't know. But in ten years, when the
little Rocks coming up with a seven iron in his hands wanting to paint,
Danny, I want to play lacrosse and rugby, what do you say?
But he made his room for a while. Here's my thing with my son's
playing football, baseball, basketball, I can there's something I can add.
I've played those sports. I know a little bit enough to be dangerous.
Football, no, pretty good amount. I watch you coach. But and
lacrosse. He played lacrosse. I would know it. I don't know how
many people are on the field. I don't know how to I don't know
what the strategy, what the plays, I don't know. In the world
there four it is female senior citizens. My wife has three women to play
senior Citizen Rugby. Would your mother be interested in joining a Rugby Senior Citizen
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see those Reds go for the sweep. Get out the room tonight in Kansas
Cityel it'll be uh Ben Lively, Amnuell Lynch the Reds and one four in
a row. They got their twenty can come back win last night. They're
two and a half back of the first place Pirates in the NL Central Kansas
City further stinks. They've lost eight in a row. They're starting last night
Jordan Lyles falls to o and eleven. So the whole town's batty about Cincinnati.
What a team? Okay? Prty Brown I'm sure. Let's see,
uh Bengals Mandy guyat Yeah, yeah. All the Reds have the day off
tomorrow, but they head to Houston over the weekend preview of the World Series.
Astro slugger Jordan Alvarez is out at least four weeks with an oblique strain
leak. He's on the i L. He's hitting two seventy two seventeen homers
and fifty five RBIs in fifty seven games so far. So he's out.
He's out. Good, They're right for the there you go, right there,
let's go pluck the Astros. Let's see the Vegas Golden Knights rain as
us as Stanley Cup champs after routing Florida last night nine to three. About
that's a team for like six years, right, that's it, and they
won that. Their owners says they're gonna let's see that. They're only gonna
make the They're gonna make the playoffs in three years. They're gonna win the
Cup in six He was right on both. So now was it a franchise
that relocated or brand new? Brand new? About unbelievable. And the Nuggets
won the NBA title the other night. Their owner Stan Cronkie has four championships
now in three years. He owns the Rams. Of course, they beat
the Bengals in twenty twenty one Super Bowl. Twenty twenty two, the Colorado
Avalanche won the Stanley Cup along with their team the n l L, the
National Lacrosse League champs, the Colorado Mammoth, and then he just won the
NBA title this year with the Nuggets. He owns all that good much How
much jade does that guy have? If you watch that jokish guys, it's
unfair what he does. He plays center, but he has like the he
sees the court like a guard, passes unbelievably, shoots out of his mind
for a guy's seven foot tall shouldn't be able to happen. Sixty percent from
threes, and tested downtown and he averages a triple double. And he looks
like a goofball and he like doesn't care about Money's not home. I'm going
back to Serbia. He said, when's the parade. I'm watching the picture
tomorrow. He said the parade tomorrow. It's Thursday. But he said,
I'm going back basketball. He's someone to go him. I got a horse
running in some way isn't that kind of refreshing though, Like in the world
where every American athlete has twelve other side businesses and Instagram account. You gotta
look at him on TikTok that crap. I'm playing ball. I'm like John
John, I'll see it October. I'm also also, of course, Wheel
of Fortune host Pat Pat say jack about this one is retiring from four after
forty one seasons on Wheel of Fortune, and there's a lot of rumors going
around that someone in this room might be up to be his replacement. Can't
say. I had a little twist, and I can't. It's not me
Rock and it's not you. So by process of elimination, who might that
be? Can't say? Apparently it's between Ryan Seacrest and this unknown candidate.
Now that job host of Wheel of Fortune is in the running along with NFL
Punter as maybe the greatest gig in America. It works like thirty four days
and that's why Ryan Seacrest will get that gig for like it's unbelievable. Yeah,
now, how about this, I gotta I can't say. A certain
engineer working with John Sadak says in the Reds TV booth during breaks, they
listen to Taylor Swift your sauce and Chris Welch got it right here. Well
you know why that is because it was a Barry Larkin. I think he's
very love Yeah Swift and Jack Cowboy and Jesse Jackson. No cowboy, don't
have no idea. Who's Taylor Swift is? He's He's all country and that's
it. Well she began in country. Yeah, but I mean do you
think that Do you think the cowboy knows about her? Yeah? Absolutely?
Do you think her first song was about dating? Tim mcgrawl won't or something?
Tractors and directors, Jack Daniels and see you a lot about this and
you're leading on. Jarry here undone in the front seat of his car.
He's got a one hand beat on the stern wheel the other armor. Bryan
Kelly singing fake Southern accent. What the same? My family bang? We
don't have and he says song this does nothing for lady's nuts. Do you
listen this on the way home? Six thousand radio up? Don't blow my
cover? Sorry? And Kelly wanted you to get two tickets from a employee
at Redness Fine Meets. Would you pay twelve thousand dollars to take each one
each if they found this somehow. Jim Morrison actually never died in nineteen seventy
one. He was on some island somewhere. But you're gonna come back and
give one last concert with the surviving members of the Doors. I would still
not pay twelve thousand dollars that. What about a reunion of the Beatles with
Paul McCartney and AI's version of John Lennon. I got a story on that
coming up later here my show What If That Happened? AI is going to
change the songwriting business. I mean absolutely insane. One program. AI produces
eleven thousand songs a day. Right, and if you want a script for
a TV show with just put in, they'll give you ten thousand versions of
a script. Right, you put in all the parameters that were gonna this
theme. We want to Grandpa greenwriters in trouble. Who's gonna sign all?
Who's gonna sue all that? With that? What that? What? That?
One guy and a shearing? Right? Yeah? The day with the
with the h that was awesome. What he did when you want I mean
he played the four chords. Yeah, you know he is in like every
song, and he rather off a bunch of songs and it was the same,
same sort of chord ex change. There's no anymore copyright lawsuits. I
don't think if you're gonna have AI produce eleven thousand songs a day. What
about every guy generating I mean your voice is obviously everywhere can pump your voice.
It kind of knows your theme in the direction you'd like to go on
things, or if it could generate some talk show content. Don't tell DJ
Hodge, That's all I ask. I'll tell them I get to computer program
here a great American. Just start talking and it'll need me anymore. What
about you doing ESPN games like our analysts this looks at it and they start
babbling. As long as I get a cut, I'm fine with it.
Twelve Thank you for two tickets, but again, Row, second row,
second row, Swift, name your price, get the sweat off of her
leotards or whatever. Joe Burrow will be on stage whole question. Pull his
man card right now, the leader of my team, wait on stage with
Swifty. What if they asked you to go I Willie, we want you
to go on stage to say hello to you know, Yes, renew here
man card if on those stage at one time is Taylor Swift, Joe Burrow
and the Great American Kill me and I'm done? What's moving to? What's
wrong with that picture? What's wrong with that one? That was on stage
once with Stevie Wonder, Lincoln Beware and me. That was at the US.
But the cooler one was when you're the cape man for Jamie Brown,
James Brown that Oh man, you did you party with him? After every
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