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I believe cunning had the Great American
display. It's Wednesday afternoon of the tri

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States. I'm so excited now about
red Spaceball, can't stand it tends the

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city once again. Paul's beneath the
mighty crue to your Reds. More action

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tonight, first pitch about eight ten. Coverage starts about six ten. Then

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it's on a Houston Maybe a preview
of the World Series. The Reds and

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the Astros. Tee it up,
believe it or not on Friday, Saturday

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and Sunday. We'll see what happens. But preview of the World Series Reds

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versus Astros. It's possible two and
a half games out of first place.

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By the way, last year,
the Reds to not win the thirty third

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game until July the tenth, So
it's taken the Reds about two months earlier

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to win number thirty three on their
way to the World Series. End beyond.

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But so much is happening relatively Donald
Trump. It's all Trump, all

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the time. It's all we talk
about. All I can talk about.

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Every night, I overdose on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, Bright Part

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Newsmax. Every morning I get up
watch the network shows, go nuts.

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I'm completely consumed by the Trumpster.
Now politically, there are those who are

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saying the Republican Party's in serious difficulty. A man that knows is the chair

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of the Ohio Republican Party, elected
by acclamation a few months ago, Alex

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Trunch. If you Lou formerly of
Hamlet County, now Columbus next up as

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the National Republican Party. He will
control all by the end of next year.

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Alex t Welcome again to the Bill
Cunningham Show. And Alex, how

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do you like your new gigging Columbus. I heard report you're drinking Martini's,

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smoking fancy Cuban cigars, rolling around
in a limousine and more. Can you

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tell me what it's like to run
the party in the state of Ohio?

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How Billy, it's good to be
with you. Running the party in the

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city of Ohio is a high honor
and privilege. And I'm rolling around the

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state in my twenty eighteen Ford Explorer, not a limousine. But we're having

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a good time. Obviously very entered. Gize about what's happening in Washington here

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across the state. But Billy,
you know I've known you a long time.

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I've been on these airways talking about
what's happening in Hamlin County. I've

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just taken that same vigor I hope
that I brought to the job there to

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the job here in Ohio, and
I'm having a good time fighting for conservative

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values across this great state. You're
a friend in mine. J d Vance

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raised in Butler County, now lives
in Hamilton County. Is holding up all

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the nominations for the Department of Justice. You also have Tommy Tubberville everything he

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relates to Cincinnati, the former UC
coach, holding up a two hundred and

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fifty two hundred and fifty promotions for
the military. What's your view of Senator

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jd Vance saying this indictment of the
Trumpsters unjust and he's gonna hold up all

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other nominations to the dj until this
matter is resolved, which maybe years and

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decades away. Well, you know, I support Senator Vance, of course,

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he's been a great senator here from
Ohio. But you know what's happened,

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Bill, It's most concerning to me
right now is that all this chatter

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has taken us way a little bit
and by designed by the way the Democrats

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have designed it. So we get
away a little bit from Joe Biden's failures.

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Joe Biden is a absolute failure as
president of the United States. He

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is worse than Jimmy Carter. We
have Bisan, we have that off Afghanistan

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withdrawal. Everything costs more. You're
crunching middle class families. But guess what

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they've got it. So now we're
talking about papers held in the former president's

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office. So now we're talking about
papers, and we're talking about law enforcement,

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and we're talking about stuff that has
really nothing to do with the issues

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that affect the American people. So
you know it's they've played us a little

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bit in this game. We're gonna
fight back. So when I get a

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chance to talk to great Americans like
yourself and others, I'm gonna remind you

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that this is about Joe Biden and
about his failures in the White House.

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He's been a terrible president. He's
falling down Billy, both literally and figuratively

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every single day on the job.
So don't forget is they is they go

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down this path of of looking at
a former president in the papers that he

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had in his office, that what
really matters to you and your family or

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what Joe Biden and the Democrats have
done in Washington. Well, the fact

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of the matter is I talked to
a good friend who's been a prosecutor for

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a long time who must go nameless. And there are many times in life

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that you can do something. The
issue is should you do something? And

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in American history there have been numerous
circumstances where the presidency changes hands and someone

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of the different party gets involved and
they have to pick up the pieces of

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what happened before. Now. In
two thousand and two thousand and one,

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when Bush forty three sees the presidency, there was an example given. There

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was a small news article about advice
given to Bush forty three, It's time

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to go after the Clinton's Bill Clinton
and Hillary Clinton and George Bush forty three

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set is time to turn a new
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There have been many times in American
history where a new president takes over

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a different party and the previous presid
and it had some difficulties. Whether it

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was Richard Nixon, or whether it
was Harry S. Truman with Eisenhower,

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or whether it was LBJ with with
Nixon. You could always look back in

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time and say, you know,
that guy did the following. Let's indict

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him, Let's pursue it. Do
you understand the concept because you can do

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something doesn't mean you should do it. Well, Billy, As you know,

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I started my career as a prosecuting
attorney. I've been a judge.

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I've been practicing law for twenty five
years. There is prosecutorial discretion, especially

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especially at this level. There is
no doubt that Merrick Garland and his people

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at the Department of Justice green lighted
the arrest and prosecution of Joe Biden's top

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political opponent. That's just a fact, and they cannot run away from it

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now. You know. The other
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very briefly, is I want just
for a minute for anyone listening who might

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have some suspicions about this because of
the way it's being reported. If Donald

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Trump had turned round and had his
Attorney General indict Joe Biden during the throws

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of the twenty twenty election on the
documents that Joe Biden had parked next to

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his corvette in the garage, what
would the America saying about that? What

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would your breast be saying about that
moment that Donald Trump they would be declaring

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us a banana republic, and then
it would be belittling Donald Trump's leadership in

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this country for having arrested his top
political opponent. That's really where we are.

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And you know, you can get
into the merits about, you know,

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the papers and whether or not the
papers should have been there and whether

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they you know, I mean,
look, not nobody's alleging that Donald Trump

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committed espionage. They're saying he may
have allegedly mishandled his former presidential papers that

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may or may not have been classified. Those are all factual distinctions. But

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the bigger question, and the right
the question that you ask is the right

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one, and that is the discretion
in this process for the prosecutor. And

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the answer is there is certainly discretion, and they made a fundamental error because

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this is only going to help Frankly, it's going to help empower conservatives and

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those of us who care about the
rule of law. And it's bigger than

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Donald Trump at this point, Billy, it really is. Alex Trenent Few,

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I look at it this way,
that there was clear indication that the

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president was, in a textbooks example, mishandling documents. I'll give you an

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example, the federal judge, not
the one presently having the case canon,

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but another federal judge who was overseeing
this so called matter, ask his Donald

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Trump's lawyers to tell the court whether
or not, under oath and affidavits,

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there were any more classified documents ago, because there was some suspicion that he

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turned over some but not all.
And so what the judge told the lawyers,

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and you practice law and addition to
be chair of the Republican Party,

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I wanted you to meet with your
client and file an affidavit whether or not

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all the classified documents have been returned. And so the lawyers met with the

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Donald, and based upon that meeting, the three lawyers named in the indictment

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as Lawyer one, Lawyer two,
and Lawyer three said, under oath,

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in an affiday but to a federal
judge, that all the documents have been

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returned. Now, the special counsel
involved, Jack Smith, had already received

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testimony from Secret Service agents that that
was not the case, and so he

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went back to confirm whether or not
that was true. And when it was

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seemingly determined that the Donald had not
returned all the classified documents, it is

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only then that the federal judge approved
the search warrant because you had, on

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one hand the lawyers for the Donald
saying everything's been returned, but on the

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other hand you have Secret Service agents
saying just the opposite. So to confirm

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who's telling the truth and who's not
telling the truth, the judge authorized the

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search warrant. And after that big
raide and what was in August of last

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year, there were numerous classified documents
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marshals. Now that's the scenario and
so on paper, that doesn't look too

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good, But in reality, I
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do something, should you do something? Because there's one cardinal rule that the

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FBI and the dog have, and
that is don't interfere with elections. The

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FBI dog interfered with twenty sixteen when
the FBI went after Hillary and the Donald.

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They interfered in twenty eighteen because of
the Russian collusion, delusion they knew

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was a lie. They interfered in
the twenty twenty election, and now here

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we are in twenty twenty two.
The interfered in that election, and now

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twenty twenty four is coming up.
So I you know, Alex, I'll

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run off the reservation a little bit, and I'll say this that it appears

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on surface that Donald is in difficulty, But as you point out, we're

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dealing with pieces of paper that,
under the espion Odje Act, not the

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Presidential Records Act, could have might
have been employed by foreign powers to negatively

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affect the security of our country.
But it didn't happen. It could have

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happened, it might have happened,
but it didn't happen. So on one

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hand, you have a president who's
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the way, Alex d that I
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new nineteen it's not new, but
that nineteen eighty eight, I'm sorry,

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nineteen seventy eight US Supreme Court case
nine ZIP. They ruled the president could

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classify anything at any point while he's
the president. So can you give me

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an answer to a question I didn't
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of territory there, and again,
I think what the American people got to

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be thinking about, especially as you
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have, has the same analysis had
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classis documents, and the ones that
he has in his possession. Has the

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same treatment, been given, the
same attention, the same search warrant.

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Has all of that been accomplished against
Hillary Clinton and the servers that she you

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know that she used bleach to destroy. So you know, it's a two

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tiered system at this juncture, and
it's driven largely by the Trump derangement syndrome,

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which is real in America. There
are some people who just simply cannot

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deal with that man's personality. I'm
not one of those people. His policies

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were great for America. He's certainly
an unconventional politician. But again, this

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has to really Billy for me,
and I'm going to scream it from the

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rooftops. This has to be about
Joe Biden. He's taking the focus off

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of his absolute catastrophic presidency. His
presidency means you pay more for everything.

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He's pinching Americans in the middle class
unlike never before, this Green agenda,

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Gosha. You know what happened at
the White House the other day, which

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is just, you know, totally
against the basic core values of our great

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country. We've just seen it time
and again. This man is a fumbling,

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fumbling president. And by doing this
sideshow action that you're seeing against a

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former president in his papers, you
know this is all meant to distract,

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and I intend to not let it
distract me. I will fight for,

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by the way, who for whoever
the nominee is for the Republican Party,

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I'll fight at this moment. But
Donald Trump is worth defending. One more

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quick point, Billy. Every one
of his opponents in the primary save one,

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and that would be Chris Christie,
But everybody else, he's a Ramaswami,

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Ron de Santis, who's certainly his
top competitor in the primary. Even

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Mike Pence and others, they've all
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because they know that it's bigger than
him. They know it's about the rule

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of law. They know it's about
making sure there's faith in integrating our justice

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system. So I'll continue fighting for
that, Billy Alea's tea and add to

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the argument of can they or should
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Selective prosecution is another matter that if
Hillary Clinton if twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen

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the FBI and paneled a grand jury
with a full subpoena power and began issuing

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subpoenas to testify under oath before a
federal grand jury. Uma Aberdeen throwing Anthony

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Weener, also known as mister Carlos, got every aide that had anything to

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do with using bleach bit and also
a ball peen hammers to destroy subpoena material

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and over a period of months built
up a case among her closest aids to

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testify against Hillary. If they would
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was completing her second year in prison, or if in the case of Joe

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Biden, who had those cardboard boxes
in his garage next to his corvette,

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and in five different locations, he
had hundreds of classified documents and boxes all

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over the place, including the University
of Pennsylvania that was funded by the communist

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Red Chinese, the so called Joe
Biden Center, if they would have launched

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those investigations against Joe Biden and had
subpoenas issued under grand juries and had all

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of his aids come in to testify, he left the vice presidency and throw

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in What happened with Barisma on the
same day last week that they the indictment

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of the Trumpster was announced. The
Barisma official according to the FBI released information

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in an affidavit that there were seventeen
telephone calls recorded by the Barisma executive,

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fifteen with Hunter Biden and two with
the then sitting Vice president accepting ten million

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dollars in cash bags of cash between
Barisma and Hunter Biden slash Joe Biden on

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that same day. I would say, has the FBI, beginning in twenty

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seventeen, launched investigations of Joe Biden
receiving bags of cash from Barisma, I

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would have said, okay, And
if Joe Biden was not the president,

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he lost the presidency and they put
Joe Biden in jail, I would have

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said, Look, Donald played the
game and he lost. Hillary was held

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accountable and she's in prisidon. Joe
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Nancy Pelosi, he went into Congress
poor and came out worth three hundred million

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dollars because of influence paddling. She's
in prison. Well, Donald Trump,

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you played the game and you lost. Report to sing sing can you smell

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when I'm cooking? Well, Well, let me say this, Billy.

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You know, I don't know if
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officials all told me and you and
the American people that the Hunter Biden laptop

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story was false. So I don't
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facts right, Philly, because those
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planted in my cheek, bill of
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the Hunter Biden scenario is an entirely
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Again, it's just part of it, really is the mainstream press, in

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this message delivery that you get every
single day. You know, in this

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flowery morning shows that you watch,
Hunter Biden is worthy of serious investigation.

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The laptop is real. But again
today we're talking about some papers that the

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president had in his office at his
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Joe Biden and his failures. So, as you can see, I'm pretty

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single minded my approach here to make
sure we keep the focus on the failure

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that is Joe Biden's presidency. I
think the schleps, the schmucks, the

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middle class that work every day get
up and go to factory jobs and report

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to desks, the rumkey garbage men
that I love so dearly, the cops

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and the firefighters and make this country
work, the lineman for the county.

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Those kinds of men and women care
about inflation, they care about the interest

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rates, They care about their kids'
school teaching the wrong kind of crap.

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They care about high taxes, and
talk about a few papers intermixed with headlines

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from the New York Times is not
something that motivates them. Because you can

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do something, does the should do
something? Selective prosecution is occurring in more

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alex T. I know this Wednesday
afternoon you have big pal walls with the

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schmucks and the schleps all over the
state of Ohio. I wish you and

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yours the best, but I wanted
to get your perspective on Senator JD.

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Vanson more and once again, thank
you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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And keep doing alex T what you're
doing. One day you'll be important.

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Billy, Thanks so much and go
Reds. Have a great day.

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God bless America. Let's continue with
more coming up later. We'll be Mike

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Allen Junior to talk about jury nullification
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can do something, should you do
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is no. And is this worth
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next several months and years. Right
now that Donald has seventy one counts against

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him between New York in Miami,
seventy one counts with more to follow because

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the Sheriff of Fulton County has appeared
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When Trump has indicted either this month
or next in Fulton County for trying

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to fix the election in Georgia,
that'll be an additional forty to fifty counts.

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He'll be over one hundred counts by
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that's a music Dave, it's Skyline
Time. Reached out to Dick Williams,

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the new CEO of Skyline Chili heading
up the Reds and Skyline Chili, and

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they may come on with us Thursday
or Friday to talk about Skyline in the

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Reds and more plus later on Red's
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They're on tonight starting about six ten. First pitch about eight ten and

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Friday, Saturday and Sunday they play
in Houston, which could be a preview,

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a preview of the World Series.
What about the Reds and the Astros

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in the World Series, It's possible. There are two and a half games

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out of first. They did not
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like July twelfth or thirteen, something
like that. I've been about two months

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earlier, and they had most of
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Ashcraft's coming back, even Vado,
maybe a DH at some point,

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TJ's coming back. The team's going
to look better in the future than it

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has in the past. And right
now they're unbeatable. Unbelievable, Andy mac

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this is unbelievable. Now at getting
back to Trump, Trump and Trump from

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the time he came down the Escalator
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what a period of eight years,
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events like no president in American history. This is unbelievable, and one may

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not be halfway done because I don't
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trial before the election in Miami and
federal court. Although they're going to try

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to get it done as quickly as
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get that done because of the multitude
of legal issues that arise when you indict

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a former president on espionage charges.
And I listen to Mike McConnell's comments and

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many callers this morning who believe it
or not, made some good points,

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and that is that that the interaction
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Act, and the fact this president
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whether it did or not, you
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whether you have declassified documents or not. The Presidential Records Act is really not

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mentioned. It's an espionage Act.
It is alleged that Donald Trump in New

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Jersey showed some nuclear capabilities and war
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Jersey. Now, I would not
be surprised at some point if the judge,

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Judge Aline Cannon in Miami transfers a
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federal court, because that crime did
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they have is evidence of the person
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it did happen. That is little
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with the Presidential Records Act. It's
a covered person giving the nation's secrets allegedly

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to a person not to authorized to
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Jersey, it didn't happen in Miami. So here we are almost to the

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middle of June, June fourteenth,
almost there, not quite there by the

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way today's Flag Day. And nonetheless
that this case likely will not be tried

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in Miami until after twenty four election, and then the announcements yesterday of Latisia

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James the age of New York indicates
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York cases until after the federal cases
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happens, even if Donald Trump is
re elected president, which is a fifty

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fifty proposition at this point, he
cannot pardon himself for crimes allegedly committed in

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New York or in Fulton County in
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July or August. Right now,
he's up to seventy one felony counts and

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Nicholas to say he's got to run
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he doesn't, if he gets convicted
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going to spend the rest of his
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should not be filed in the first
place. Because something can be done should

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not mean it should be done.
There's reasons all the time were prosecutors and

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the totality of the circumstances say,
you know what, even though there was

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a violation here, what was the
real harm? And is it worth bringing

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the charges if divides the country and
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Prosecutors have told me a few times
they could have indicted some Democratic officeholders and

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failed to do so because the conviction
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you might call. There were numerous
examples on the last city Council in Cincinnati

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where Joe Dieters could have issued felony
indictments against all kinds of individuals on city

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council because only the Feds were acting
against Jeff Pastor and PG. Sittenfeld and

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Timia and Ard, and he could
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And put them all in state prison
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looked at it. I haven't talked
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imagine he looked at it and said, well, we're dealing with in all

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cases of justice taken place, and
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Let it go. And I would
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Rob Sanders have had examples in the
past where they had some technical violation of

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a felony statute of a Democratic Republican
officeholder and said, you know what,

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even though it happened, let's issue
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Let's move on to burglaries and murders
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and drug deals and all the rest. Let's move on to that stuff.

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Because we have limited resources, how
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the time say, you know,
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let's not do it. In other
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Joe Biden and Merrick Garland, who
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Court by Republicans, politicize the indictment
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the opposition party on this kind of
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because the Espionage Act deals with trading
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others as a consequence of what occurred. Did anything bad actually happen? I

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guess I hear the argument it could
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How about issuing a report out of
the Special Counsel's Office, Jack Smith,

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A nice lengthy report. This is
what our investigation has found. Let the

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American people decide if you want that
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now they've gone down a rabbit hole
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begin, it will not stop.
I want you to listen to. This

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was recorded on June thirteenth, which
is yesterday, by Hillary Clinton, who

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might recall she called all Republicans the
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It was asking a podcast Hillary Clinton
think about her history with her husband,

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the suborning of perjury, the setting
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husband as Secretary of State, Benghazi, in which four Americans were killed,

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what difference does it make and then
think about her with bleach bit and hammers,

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destroying subpoeni test evidence and destroying classified
materials and making sure that Carlos Danger

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the pen name of Anthony Weener what
to have informations to the nation's most profound

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secrets. Dave Keaton hit it.
Republicans claim that you got off so you

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did the same thing and got off
scott free. Why did your friend Jim

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Comey let you off so easy that
that's a really good question. I can't

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figure that one out. Um,
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uh odd. Let's just say,
to the point of being absurd, how

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that is their only response. You
know, they refuse to read the indictment,

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They refuse to engage with the facts. There's nothing new about that.

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And what they refuse to admit is, you know, this is on a

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track about him, not about anybody
else. No matter how much that they

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try to confuse people and how much
they try to, you know, raise

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extraneous issues. And it's going to
be fast sinating, I guess in a

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bizarre and sad way to watch them
spin themselves up. If you watched any

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of the news programs this weekend,
I mean their efforts to defend this man

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are truly beyond anything that I ever
thought possible in our country. I mean,

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it is so profoundly disturbing. How
this could have been the break,

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This could have been the opportunity to
say, you know, thank you so

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much for everything you've done for us. We really appreciate it, you know.

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But this is kind of serious,
and so we're not going to continue

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to defend you. But no,
they're all in again. That's what the

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psychology of this is so hard for
me to fully grasp. Psychology of it.

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Profoundly disturbing, serious. She cannot
grasp the idea of someone supporting Donald

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Trump and the fact that he should
not face criminal charges at the hands of

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his opponent. Pull up truly anything
thought possible in this country, Hillary Clinton,

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seriously profoundly disturbing, serious, Are
you kidding me? This comes from

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Hillary Clinton, for God's sakes,
who James Coley gave a Texas El Paso

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too when she did similar misbehavior.
She didn't share it with someone else.

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She destroyed the evidence under a subpoena, many of which contain top secret sci

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information, and she destroyed it completely. And she's on the attack against Republicans

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for continuing to support and by the
way, among my Democratic friends, and

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I mean my Democratic friends, they
see her as a safety valve. When

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Joe Biden finally says, you know
what, I can't run. I'm not

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competent. At some point, maybe
in March, is going to be I

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will not seek nor will I accept
the nomination on my party for another term

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as your president. Joe Biden and
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No, he's one more fall away
from being incapable of serving invoking the twenty

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fifth Amendment, which means that Kamala
Harris would become the president. It's unbelievable.

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The indictment accuses Trump of failing to
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including plans for a retaliatory attack on
an unnamed foreign power, which is

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Iran. And so it's unbelievable that
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Because you can do something doesn't mean
you should do something. And secondly,

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there's another way of getting this information
out to the American people without indicting the

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leadership of the opposition party. The
kind of stuff you see in a Banana

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Republic. So we'll see what happens
there. Let's continue with more after one

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o'clock today, we're gonna call Mike
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Records Act and also the Espionage Act
to find out legally what is happening there.

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Also, later on we're gonna have
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that was obliterated in That's a wrong
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it's incredible that Judge Stephen Dankoff called
the defendant, Abbey Michaels not guilty of

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killing three people when she obviously did. And a good friend of mine is

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going to put me in touch with
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about the devastation. I could not
imagine a worse circumstance than a young woman

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on Saint Patrick's Day night, drunk
out of her mind, driving the wrong

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way on I seventy five, obliterating
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Tim Thompson, Karen Thompson, and
Tessa the ten year old a daughter,

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and getting off scott free. Not
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So that'll be some time tomorrow And
also after two o'clock today, So

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if line becomes available five one,
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thousand pounds seven eight and t so, Michael Allen Junior and I going to

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tear apart the witnesses, the evidence, and maybe you'll learn more about my

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viewpoints and also the viewpoints of many
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a regular basis. So let's continue. And by the way, for those

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who don't believe, if you've listened
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games that they've played, I think
the winning streak is now four. They

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beat the Dodgers two out of three, and they're about to sweep the Kansas

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City Royals. Day off on Thursday, then Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

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in Houston. That's going to be
a big series to see how the Reds

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measure up against the best the World
Series champs. Could there be a World

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Why let's continue now about one oh
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later, will be James Bogan coming
up later, We'll be Professor Gerber coming

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up later. We'll be Wayne Alan
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between now and the end of business
on Friday and then getting ready of course

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for Sunday night and Father's Day.
But until then, of course, to

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Donald, yesterday was arraigned in Federal
Court in Miami. I've been in that

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court house and it's a wonderful facility, by the way, not like our

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00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:29.000
buildings with granted and all that stuff
Potter Stewart stuff. This is as a

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glass and it's gleaming, and it's
beautiful and it's gorgeous. And the Donald

435
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.359
was escorted in and out. Barely
saw him in and around court. But

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then he went to a Cuban restaurant
thereafter. And all the commentators have now

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weighed in about what's going to happen
in the future, and it appears based

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upon Letitia James, who as you
know, is the Attorney General of New

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00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.519
York, and Alvin Bragg, they're
going to delay any more proceeding in the

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New York cases until the conclusion of
the federal case, I wouldn't know it.

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On site was the Fulton Monty sheriff. Fulton County Sheriff represents Atlanta,

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00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.760
etc. And the Fulton County Sheriff
has been to New York and to Miami

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00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:13.320
to determine what kind of security they
have in place. Because if Fannie Willis

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00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.320
is the prosecutor kind of the Melissa
Powers of Fulton County is going to bring

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00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.400
criminal charges against Donald Trump in July
or August and Fulton County for trying to

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00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:28.679
quote fix Georgia elector slate. And
this thing's going to go on maybe for

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00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.639
the rest of my life, certainly
for the next three to five years.

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And if the Donald gets elected in
November of next year, was certainly a

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possibility because he's going to be the
Republican nominee, he can pardon himself probably.

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However, he cannot pardon himself from
crimes committed against Georgians and New Yorkers.

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By that, I mean the president
has no power whatsoever to pardon himself

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or anyone about state laws. So
the Democratic Party is organ eyes itself so

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that even if the Donald is re
elected, he cannot stop New York or

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00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.079
Georgia. Now, there would be
a motion filed if Donald Trump is re

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elected to delay those proceedings in federal
court until after his presidency is concluded,

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and that would probably be granted.
You can't have a commander in chief locked

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up in Sing Sing And so we're
talking about stuff between twenty twenty five and

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twenty twenty nine, and then the
Dice criminal charges in twenty thirty one,

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when he's about ninety seven years old
in Georgia and New York. So for

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the rest of my life, for
the rest of Mike Allen Junior's life,

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00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:44.400
we're going to be involved with Donald
Trump joining us now as at Saint Mike

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00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:47.000
Allen Junior and Mike Allen Junior,
I'll call you, Mike Allen the lesser

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00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.440
welcome, I think for the first
time to the Bill Cunningham Show. Mike,

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how are you? Yes, yes, sir. I am humbled and

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thrilled to be with you here,
Bill, And this entire thing is just

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making me go cross eyes. Wells
mate. If it wasn't someone that I

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00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.280
kind of like and care about and
voted for, I'd i'd be more of

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a spectator. But the country's in
trouble. We're in serious trouble, and

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we're dealing with the issues, and
we may have a current president taking bags

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of cash from Barisma. First of
all, I got three topics to discuss

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one, two, three. Number
one is jury nullification. When I watched

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what happened in Miami Dade County yesterday, well with the glory shown that you

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00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.840
didn't see in New York City,
explain to the American people what is jury

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nullification? Well, Bill, it's
in layman's terms, it's when a jury

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goes, well, there may have
been crimes committed here, but guess what,

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we're not coming back with a guilty
verdict. And if my view here

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is this, this is going to
be a very very tough case for Jack

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00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.639
Smith, especially with a Miami fury. I'm lucky enough to have some some

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00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:02.039
Miami natives in my family, human
immigrants, and they are the strongest Donald

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00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:07.639
Trump supporters, I think in the
entire country, and it's very hard for

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me to imagine a situation where there's
not one juror on that jury that just

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00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.800
says, you know what, I'm
sorry, I'm not doing this, nah

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00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.039
baby nah. Now the other issue
too, I think is is that Jack

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00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.280
Smith he's dreaming if he thinks that
this is going to be an expeditious ordeal.

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00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.920
He's talked about bad trial rights,
and my first response was, well,

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00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.920
this is a protection for the defendant, not a tool for the prosecution.

487
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.239
So this is not going to be
and quick process, so to speak.

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No federal cases, but especially one
like this. You know, it's

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literally a first of its kind.
So there's going to be a lot of

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issues to figure out here. But
as you said, it's it's very difficult

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for me to believe that there's not
going to be one juror that doesn't hold

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out here and that the other you
know, the inverse is true, is

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Donald Trump. You know, he's
got to beat every single one of these

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counts. You know, he can't
lose one of them, and you know

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Jack Smith can't lose one juror either. It's an interesting point because as we

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sit here this afternoon on Wednesday,
he's facing seventy one felony charges and different

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00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.239
jurisdictions. The Fulton County case is
going to metast the size Julae or August.

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00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.880
According to Fannie willis the prosecutor,
and he's going to be facing over

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one hundred charges, and he also
has pending over five hundred lawsuits against him

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of one type or another, and
he's got the multimillion dollars judgments. But

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00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:40.039
getting back your jury nullification is jury
nullification legal? So if some juror has

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sworn under oath, yes, Judge, I'm gonna follow the law. Yes,

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00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:45.760
Judge, I'm willing to convict.
Yes, Judge, I'll listen to

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the charge that you give me.
Yes, Judge, I'm gonna listen to

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the opening, closing, I'm gonna
listen to all the statement. I'm gonna

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listen to the FBI, the US
Marshall Service, I'm gonna listen to the

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00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:59.559
Secret Service, and doj and sitting
in the jury room that one jurorse,

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that's despite the evidence of the law
that indicates Donald Trump is guilty, I

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00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.679
find him not guilty. Not?
Is that legal? Yeah? And that's

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the thing what you're talking about now, Bill, is the sitting and the

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listening. You know, you know
what I mean. It's it's are you

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00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.639
diligent? Are you not doing you
know some of the things we saw with

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the Widmer trial and other other cases
where you know, things have come back,

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00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.280
you know, as far as experiments
things like that. But but yeah,

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I mean the jury, I think
the verdict would stand at minus.

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00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.519
You know, any avenue that the
government would have to start trying into.

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00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:35.920
You know, what the conversations were
in the jury. Were they doing experiments

518
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.280
stuff like that. But that's tough, because it's tough explain the circumstances.

519
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.559
Some of the strongest pieces of evidence
here is the fact that it appears the

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00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.119
Secret Service agents are going to testify
against Donald Trump and his own lawyers called

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00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.960
in the indictments Lawyer one, two
and three, Explain the interaction of a

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00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:59.159
lawyer. Let's say you and your
dad represents somebody on a big time case,

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00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.119
and all of us suspicion that Mike
Allen the Greater and Mike Allen the

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00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.960
Lesser are somehow involved in the criminal
activity of their own client. And suddenly

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00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.519
you find yourself in front of a
Hamlet County grand jury. The two you're

526
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.559
sitting there hamahammahamma, and you're given
the immunity if you tell the truth,

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00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.360
and then you pierce that veil between
the lawyer and their client. Explain how

528
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.440
that happened in this case and why
it's very rare for that to occur.

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00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:29.559
Bill, Basically how it happened is
there's something called the crime fraud exception,

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00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.880
wherein you know, I tell my
clients this all the time when they sit

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00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:36.920
down with me. I tell my
client, I need to know everything so

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00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.159
I can start thinking ahead. It's
my job to anticipate what's going to happen.

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00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.840
But my client cannot come to me
and say, Mike, I want

534
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.480
you to help me commit a crime. Now. That's what Amy Burman Jackson

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00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.639
ruled the DC based federal judge that
allows jack Smith to pierce the attorney client

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00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.320
privilege based on that exception. But
I'll be honest with you, Bill,

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00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.199
and I'm really glad you asked me
this. My dad and I had a

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00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.599
long talk yesterday and it was basically
this. This is going to have a

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00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.039
devastating effect, I think on criminal
defense attorneys ever everywhere, because you're gonna

540
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:15.239
have clients that go, good God, If the former president's attorneys can turn

541
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.000
government informant, if they can get
to my lawyer, what makes me think

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00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.280
that Mike Dowllan and Mike Allen Senior
aren't subject to that as well. I

543
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:29.280
gotta be honest with you that is
devastating to the practice of criminal defense work.

544
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.840
And the other thing is too,
as far as is the notes of

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00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:37.440
Evan Corkran those as far as Donald
Trump's defense, He's got to find a

546
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:43.800
way to get those excluded because again
they are used that testimony, those notes

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00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.360
are going to are used for the
obstruction counts in the indictment. But I

548
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.119
gotta be honest with you, it's
chilling, so to speak, to think

549
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.320
that now I'm going to have that
obstacle as a practicing defense attorney of my

550
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.280
clients saying to me, will wait
a minute, they got to Donald Trump's

551
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.000
attorneys. It makes me think they
can't get to you. That is,

552
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.519
I can't tell you how many times
I don't actively practice law much anymore,

553
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.159
But I can't tell you how many
times Less Gains and I would sit down

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00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:17.079
with major criminal defendants when I did
bank robbery cases for Judge Porter and Judge

555
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:21.440
Rubin in federal court. How many
times I sat down My client said,

556
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.400
look, look, mister Smith,
everything you tell me her is privileged.

557
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.960
I got to hear everything, the
truth and unvarnished. If you did these

558
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.360
things, you must tell me what
you did, how you did it,

559
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.760
where, the gun is, where
the money is, who else was involved?

560
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.760
And you have to convince your client
to just bear his soul to you

561
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.639
and tell you everything. And you
make copious notes about what he is saying,

562
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.599
where the money was, where he
got the gun, where he ditched

563
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.679
this, how come this person?
And if and if it gets out and

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00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.880
it is out. It is an
exception the crime fraucts. It is rarely

565
00:42:52.039 --> 00:43:00.119
used. But in this case it
appears that the judge the Donald told there

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through his attorneys there are no more
classified documents here. So Jack Smith kept

567
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.079
digging and digging and digging. It
appears Secret service agents are among the best

568
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.599
people in the world, in my
opinion, who would give their life for

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00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:17.280
someone else. Testified under oath that
there were more classified documents. And so

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00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.559
the judge goes back to those three
lawyers and say, I have some information

571
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:24.719
there there's an ongoing crime. Are
you involved in the crime or do you

572
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.840
want immunity assuming you tell the truth. So the lawyers went home to their

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00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:34.039
partners and to their wives and said, honey, I'm looking at fifteen to

574
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.880
twenty years in jail or I got
to testify against Donald Trump. And so

575
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:46.039
the lawyers flipped Donald Trump's lawyers flipped
on Donald Trump. It's unbelievable. That's

576
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:52.320
terrifying. And I guess that's a
smaller example built into a bigger example.

577
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:58.400
And when this happens, the only
thing other than just pure as a citizen

578
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.679
and as an attorney, an officer
of court, pure shock. The first

579
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.880
thought that went through my mind was
this is a perfect example of just because

580
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:12.400
you can does not mean you should. I mean, this is truly breaking

581
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:17.800
the emergency class on our democracy,
and that you know, there's we're crossing

582
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:22.599
a rubicon here that we don't know
where this goes. You don't know what

583
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.840
the consequences of this are. And
then you have, you know, an

584
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.840
entire half of a citizenry that don't
trust it, aparts that don't trust the

585
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.199
FBI, and why would they when
you look, you look at what Hillary

586
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:43.039
Clinton did, and it's it's astounding
to me that these facts were indicted while

587
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.079
what Hillary Clinton, I mean,
we can play jeopardy here storing classified documents

588
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:52.760
in a bathroom on a server,
check well, taking those documents home when

589
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.920
you shouldn't check. And then you
have the added thing of the bleach bit

590
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.000
and taking hammers to these devices and
Jim Homie's little two step on, well,

591
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:07.239
was this extremely careless or negligent?
The smashing and the bleach bidding sort

592
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.840
of sheds light on what Jim Cumbey
was so confused about, and that those

593
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:17.079
are purposeful acts. She specifically had
the intense to destroy this evidence. So

594
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.119
it's very hard when you see people
like Hillary Clinton, like Brennan and these

595
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:30.159
other folks that are out celebrating this
and lecturing about a justice system and about

596
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.880
our democracy, when you go,
wait a minute, Hillary Donald can produce

597
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.800
this material. You can't because you
destroyed it. I mean, it's it's

598
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:43.239
laughable, but at the same time
it's it's terrifying, especially for attorneys.

599
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.199
Well, I can't imagine what would
happen in federal court here in Cincinnati or

600
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.960
in Covington with Bertelsman. That if
some prosecutors said, well, using this

601
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:58.440
case as a as a president,
let's make Mike Allen Senior and Junior put

602
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.800
them under oath in front of a
grand jury. Is to tell us exactly

603
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:07.079
everything their client told us about where
the heroine came from, who they bought

604
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.800
it from, where is it now, how many deaths recalls, where'd the

605
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.400
money go. I can't imagine practicing
law if this becomes standard procedure. Now,

606
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.119
if this was national security and the
sense of oh god, we're about

607
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.840
to be nuclear attacked, we're about
okay. But this is about pieces of

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00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:30.360
paper interspersed with newspaper articles and boxes
protected by a private security detail and by

609
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.559
the Secret Service itself. Nobody was
going to walk into that bathroom or marlogue

610
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.599
of the ballroom and start taking out
boxes. And this was protected, unlike

611
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:45.239
what Joe Biden had in numerous locations
that was not protected. And because you

612
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.159
can do something doesn't mean you should
do it. And the other thing you

613
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.159
brought it up, Mike Allen the
lesser, and that is Washington d C.

614
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.519
I can only imagine if Hillary Clinton
was on trial and Washington DC on

615
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.280
her charges, she would have been
found not guilty by acclamation by the jury

616
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:06.719
pool in Miami. It's completely different
circumstances. How good is it for the

617
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.880
Donald to be in Miami and not
Washington, D C? For the jury?

618
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:15.599
If Donald Trump could sit down and
choose where do I want this case

619
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.119
tried? He would say he would
he would without questions, say South Florida.

620
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.679
He is, and I mean this. I have family members who are

621
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.280
from South Florida that are Cuban immigrants. He they are fanatical. I mean,

622
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.760
they are the biggest Donald Trump supporters. But the other thing about that,

623
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:37.519
too, Bill is nobody knows better
about political prosecutions than Cuban immigrants.

624
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.280
I mean, this stuff really jars
them and it scares them because they have

625
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.719
that background of politically motivated prosecutions.
I mean, when you if you take

626
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:52.280
out the names here and you say
a sitting president's Department of Justice is indicting

627
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:58.920
his biggest political opponent, you would
you would say Nicaragua, you would say

628
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.559
some other ran at a republic.
So if I were Donald Trump, I

629
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.559
would be thrilled about trying this case
in South Florida. As opposed to DC

630
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:15.440
Mike Allen Junior, Joe Biden has
arrested and indicted Donald Trump, his main

631
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:21.039
opposition for the presidency. It's you
can't make it up. I guess we're

632
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.199
blessed living interesting times. Mike Allen
Junior, thank you for the first time,

633
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:28.320
I hope many times, for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank

634
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.519
you, Mike, absolutely Willie,
thank you for having me. Man.

635
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.079
God bless America. All right,
let's continue with more news, and the

636
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:38.679
Stute reports are next. We've scheduled
today to having the Withrow High School boys

637
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.360
rugby team, having had the Saint
X Boys in yesterday. Today's rugby,

638
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.320
which, by the way, is
a tough, tough game to play,

639
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:52.519
which is why my wife is putting
together a senior citizen female team of rugby

640
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.239
players. We're gonna have matches at
Xavier put up by Bob Cole, heep

641
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.920
of Sintas, and I'm gonna give
you information later over sixty five and fem

642
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.079
identify as a female, you can
play rugby. Man. You talk about

643
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.440
tough, these ladies are mean.
Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News

644
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Go to PCF dot org today barbecue
sauce. Hello, Hello, Piet,

651
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and I'm broadcasting barbecue sauce segment,
explained John Sadak with barbecue sauce.

652
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:04.079
Apparently it's a that's a reference to
Ted Lasso. You know who he is,

653
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.920
that show funny guy. He's a
funny I guess, and I guess

654
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.519
he's in Kansas City. He was
probably hungry. Probably one of some barbecue

655
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.599
was getting late. So John Saydak
last night on Bally Sports Cincinnati says barbecue

656
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.559
tros. Thank you. No reference
to anything, but you have said a

657
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.920
wait till he goes to Montgomery in
get some barbec better food there. Segment.

658
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.039
You have some royalty here when it
comes to rugby. We have the

659
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.800
state width row title champions, led
a course by coach Nathan Myers. Jonathan

660
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.159
Pettitt. One of the players is
here, Jamez Early related to Jimmy Early's

661
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.320
a great U singer, but first
of all, a coach a lot.

662
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:44.880
Let's begin with Coach Myers, tell
me about the state title that with row

663
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:49.679
the Tigers won under your leadership and
Tyrone Hill. Well, we're incredibly excited

664
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.480
for what the young men were able
to accomplish. Started this season with seventeen

665
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:58.360
players in their first year of playing
rugby, so we quickly and had enough

666
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:02.199
committed corps that we could really find
some momentum. And uh as the season

667
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.239
wore on, we saw more and
more of what we were capable of and

668
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.440
these I'm just incredibly proud of each
of these guys for what we accomplished.

669
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:15.199
We beat the two time defending state
champions in the state finds Watkins Memorial High

670
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.480
School, just outside of Columbus,
never heard of. They had gone two

671
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:23.400
straight seasons, two straight springs without
losing a game, playoffs and ra they

672
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:30.079
were likely right early and first of
all, explained to Hawka dance because that's

673
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.719
one of the things. My wife
is a very good rugby player. She's

674
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:39.000
in her early seventies, but she
wants to start a senior citizen female rugby

675
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:45.239
league and I'm thinking, and they
want to do the huck said the hucka?

676
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:46.280
What do you call that thing?
They got a good insurance policy,

677
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:52.000
insurance, but these women are tough, like Segment's mom's thinking about joining,

678
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.880
I hope, So now, what's
a do you do? The hucka dance?

679
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.440
Never heard of it. Yeah,
we do, we do not,

680
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.800
So that's uh, find this would
be beautiful. Yeah, this is huge.

681
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.880
I mean the Pacific Islander culture is
really big in rugby, and each

682
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.199
of these areas in the Pacific Islands
have their own unique hawca that they do.

683
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.119
So New Zealand does, one,
Tonga does one American Samoa. It's

684
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.320
it's it was rooted really in real
warfare. And so they do this war

685
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:24.360
dance before their games and they face
off against each other. And I've seen

686
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.920
you know, they even use it
as a sign of dignity and pride,

687
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.400
like when somebody retires a long time, you know, as administrator of a

688
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:36.039
coach, everybody in the school,
why not two days boys to hawka dance

689
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:43.039
row style New Zealand appropriation. Well, you can't do that anymore. You're

690
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.000
you'll be canceled, believe me.
Got cultural stuff got jemads so early.

691
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.280
Talk about what happened. Was there
a key moment in the game when it

692
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.840
was at risk, Your boys are
down, there was a blood flowing from

693
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.440
your eyeballs and your nose. You
were getting beat, and you delve deep

694
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.559
into your soul and grab their monocle
of vic three and ran forward. Give

695
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:07.679
me a full report, so I
would say it's we were up seven points

696
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:14.000
inside of their twenty two meters.
The highlight that I always remember is we

697
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.679
if we kicked the ball out of
bounce, we win. If we dead

698
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:21.239
ball, if we dad the ball, we win. I sanked it.

699
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.960
I had a chance to shank it. Yeah, so I turned my hips

700
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:29.639
when I kicked it, and they
stayed in and they actually scored a try

701
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.880
off of it, but scored a
try, which is basically a touchdown rugby.

702
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.960
They did a try. Yeah,
So that's one thing I'm gonna remember

703
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.480
from that game. And that also
it's just me seeing my players or my

704
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:47.280
guys teammates. Give it to y'all, everybody under the post. What's tougher?

705
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.639
You play a lot of high school
football, football or rugby. Rugby

706
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.119
is most definitely more tough. Why
it's it's a it's not a grinder support,

707
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:59.679
but it's like it allows you to
give you so you have to give

708
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.519
it your And it takes leather balls
to play rugby, correct. The other

709
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.559
balls are plastic. These are leather. Yeah, all right, If you

710
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.400
ever get hurt, no rugby,
you have to be a smart rugby player.

711
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.719
So if you're smart, you're skin
in the field, then you should

712
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.519
be fine. And coach, how
does it look next year for these boys

713
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.480
you have? I mean, he's
leaving with his uncle Jimmy Early, he's

714
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.239
leaving. How does it look next
year for the rugby team at with Row?

715
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:29.239
I mean each year we have the
opportunity to continue to recruit. We're

716
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.199
expecting more momentum and more young men
involved next year, So we're gonna lean

717
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.599
heavily on the guys that do have
experience, and we'll keep working the system

718
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.000
that we work to help these guys
go from from ground zero and never played

719
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:42.639
a single minute rugby in their life, never heard of it, and and

720
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.599
then ramp up quickly and recognize all
the opportunities that rugby can provide for them.

721
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:52.719
Did the ladies or the girls like
rugby players? Yeah? No,

722
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.119
come around. How about it?
You have a girls rugby team? We

723
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.639
beat you each of the last few
years. There's one Cincinnati girls area rugby

724
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.440
teams. They're a multi school club
team. They've been incredibly successful as well

725
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:06.280
in each time they play. Though
there's one team, Yeah, well,

726
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:07.840
well there's one in Cincinnati, but
they'll play it. There's a team in

727
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.800
Dayton, there's a few in Columbus, and then Cleveland's very heavy as well.

728
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.119
So once they get to the state
level, that's when they run into

729
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.360
some really serious opposition. They made
their way all the way to the state

730
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:22.679
quarterfinals this year and have won the
state championship three years out of the last

731
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.000
six. I believe, so very
successful. And we've had with three girls

732
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:29.039
that have played on that team as
well. A pipe dream to have senior

733
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:34.039
citizen females play rugby. My wife's
dream is to have an active league of

734
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.719
over sixty five women to play rugby. Is that? I tell her,

735
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.360
dear that maybe biting off more than
you can chew a way? Is that?

736
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:47.320
Is that possible? Jonathan Pettitt,
the grandson of Bob Pettitt. Seventy

737
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.239
year old women play play play rugby. I think where there's a will,

738
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.280
there's a way. If they won
two they could I mean two hand touches.

739
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.480
Oh no, they want to play
full time. If they want to

740
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.039
play tackle, I would, you
know, considered some padding and again I

741
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:07.760
would take out of an insurance policy. I have some medical staff. Did

742
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.719
you see your grandma playing female rugby? Yeah? I think I'll grow.

743
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.719
I'll be a full back, which
is the fifty. Because my grandma,

744
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:21.280
she's tough. She liked to play, wouldn't she. My people are being

745
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.400
in touch with your people. Let's
get some to get these seventy five yard

746
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.199
women out there and get them playing. Once you try it, I mean

747
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.400
there's no turning back. I tell
my wife that in many things. Yeah,

748
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.440
segment, give me some sports and
make it fast. Willie the Stude

749
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:37.800
Reporters a pro service of your local
teen star heating and air conditioning dealers,

750
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:42.440
ten star quality wh can feel in
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751
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.360
five one, three, three,
eight, five, seventy seven sixty five

752
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:52.159
sports. Will Brandon Williamson got his
first big league win. The red scored

753
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.599
early and often in the second ending, and the bullpen was brilliant five to

754
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.079
four win over the Royals last night. Four wins in a row. The

755
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.440
Reds are two and a half back
of first place Pittsburgh in the NL Central.

756
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.320
They're thirty three and thirty five and
their twenty second come from behind win

757
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.960
last night. Nathan, what do
you think about the Reds. We're excited

758
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.800
about dyla cruise and the Gang.
It's a super exciting time. He played

759
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.639
rugby day La Cruiz cruise six foot
five, make a great rugby player.

760
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:27.320
But you need some thick legs.
Down't you need thick legs? Got skinny

761
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:32.280
legs? Run like the problem,
and you're gonna go college. You're gonna

762
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:36.000
go to Rio Grand the home of
Bibo Francis. Well, that's what I'm

763
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:37.880
leaning towards. I haven't made a
full commit me yet. You're gonna play

764
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.719
an ni Ol money, make a
couple of million bucks. That's the dream.

765
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.519
That's the dream, that's the plan. Alright, sake, please continue,

766
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.800
Let's see the series wraps up tonight, Willie as the Reds look for

767
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:52.360
the sweep. Uh coverage begins at
six o'clock with a Lance and sports Talk

768
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:59.119
you Crate Insight Pitch at seven ten
Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning Show after the game.

769
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.239
The Bengals just finished up there a
little while ago there Day two of

770
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:08.519
Mandatory Minicamp. Are you as swifty? Yeah? I used to date her.

771
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:15.920
You know she wrote a song about
me. Can't say it was after

772
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.480
John Mayer character. I never liked
that guy. I never liked that guy.

773
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.159
The Vegas Golden Knights Williere Stanley Cup
champions after a nine to three route

774
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.440
of the Florida Panthers last night.
They win that series in five games.

775
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:35.800
Of course, the champs are have
local ties of former Miami RedHawks hockey stars

776
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.880
Alec Martinez and Riley Smith added a
goal of peace and last night's win.

777
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:45.800
Does Width Row play hockey men's ice
hockey? No, we do not.

778
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:50.039
Please continue saying. Also, let's
see this US Open up date, brought

779
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.800
to you by five Iron Golf,
play the way you want, Los Angeles

780
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:58.519
the sight tomorrow. Willie for the
US Open starting tomorrow, and Roy Rory

781
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:05.159
McElroy and Brooks EPCA are paired together, two central figures in the dispute between

782
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.400
Live Golf and the PGA Tour.
And um, we say all the best

783
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:13.119
too to the commissioner. He's out
on medical leaf. I don't know what's

784
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:15.320
going on. I don't know what's
going on. Got to find out.

785
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.599
No, they're not saying Kepca and
malcol Roy. I'd take Kepca both.

786
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:23.199
He's unbelievable and you and major tournaments. It's pretty good. Yes he is.

787
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:27.480
They'll have the knives out. I
don't mean literal. I'm a figure

788
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.719
it they'll be I mean literally that
that round might be a little bit quiet,

789
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:34.519
a little quiet tomorrow now. And
what do you want to be when

790
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.599
you grow up? Well that's a
good idea. How like? So that's

791
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:40.199
open. You're making a hundred grand? And uh, you know you go

792
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:45.679
to Christ's Hospital and they pay for
your education if you agree that work there

793
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:47.880
like three to five years, make
one hundred grand? Help people? What's

794
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.719
wrong with that? Nothing at all? Do you know what the people?

795
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.000
You know what the macdua oblong gotta
is. Yes, I don't know what

796
00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:00.280
that is. It's good. You'll
be a nursing. You're watching two much

797
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:07.119
Andy Griffin oblongata wa Yeah, watched
the water Boy movie boy Yeah? Andy

798
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:12.480
segment. Did you have any rugby
at Coleraine when you were getting her geed

799
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.199
there? No, we did not
know. We had no no, no

800
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:16.760
rugby, no rugby? How many
schools playing rugby? But I had the

801
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:21.639
Muller people and they have a team. Do you beat Mueller? We did

802
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.159
not beat their their eighteen this year. We did beat their B team.

803
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:27.039
We did beat Saint X's. Uh. But saying actually no good, I

804
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:29.800
mean there are a bunch of elite. Go you got Rocky You saw Rocky

805
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:31.760
boyment out front, that's the reason. Yeah, Rocky Boy, he's an

806
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.960
elitist. Yeah, I'm like a
common man. Yeah. It's a massively

807
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.519
growing sport in Ohio. So we're
grateful to have a good community here in

808
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:45.920
Cincinnati. But we also have some
rivals in like Watkins in Columbus. Never

809
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.599
heard and a few others and Tangie
never heard of them either. Yeah,

810
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.239
but you got uh, you got
lacrosse is coming and you got rugby.

811
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:58.320
Yeah instead of football? Isn't that
less injuries? And oh, I ask

812
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:02.039
is there less injuries in football or
rugby? Let's say it's more andrews and

813
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:08.559
football and that's just there's more collisions
and then you have extra like helmets and

814
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:13.440
pads. That's more concussion stuff like
that. Oh and rugby you don't wear

815
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:16.440
much equipment at all. Nothing.
You wear pads of some sort, but

816
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:20.559
if you choose to, but then
you like get on somebody, just like

817
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.559
push against them right and in the
dirt, like running a kickoff or something.

818
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:29.039
So are you gonna play rugby at
Rio Grand or Ohio State? What

819
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:30.960
are you gonna play? I'm gonna
play rugby. That's what I want to

820
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:36.000
go for grass that it's pretty good. Yeah. In the last five years,

821
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.760
we've had fifteen young men and women
from Withrow that have played on the

822
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:43.960
collegiate level for rugby, and we're
gonna continue funneling them that way. So

823
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:45.480
not only are we trying to be
competitive on the high school level, but

824
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:53.840
also exploring opportunities for them collegiately and
always excited about possible professional possibilities. That's

825
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:59.280
what I'm thinking about these women,
a senior citizen women rugby could be something

826
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.880
on es. It's looking to the
cover stuff and that this could be it

827
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.199
I would watch. So in ten
years it might not be high school football.

828
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:13.920
Oh, no, complimentary sports and
what's in the meantime basketball? Yeah,

829
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.000
you want to play, all right, we'll coaches. Congratulations hide to

830
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:24.400
Bob Pettit if you see him,
my grandfather and Nathan Congratulations on the state

831
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:28.920
title. And there's a trophy right
there, whether permission, will go out

832
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.360
front get some pictures. And the
other players here are with us. Could

833
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.079
not make it today, but Jamez
Early did. He's the senior, is

834
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.159
the fly half? Is he your
best player? He's one of the best

835
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:42.719
We have a great mix of guys
that made it all possible. Segment your

836
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.239
reaction. Just more champions, Willy, We just bring them on in.

837
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:50.840
Coming up next is uh James Bogan
Attorney about the killing of that family from

838
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.920
Mason on I seventy five. Did
he get away with it? Yes?

839
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:58.079
She did? Okay, unbelievable.
It's terrible. I'm gonna have want a

840
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.239
family member tomorrow to talk about him. Segment Get me out of the stuge

841
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:06.880
repark congratulation William honor of with Rower
their Division two rugby championship. We leave

842
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:13.760
you with the immortal words of the
stud report, Bill Cunningham, is nothing

843
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.400
without you, seg seg did you
put that in there on your own?

844
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:20.920
No? You're sure, Yeah,
you're lying to me. No, Let's

845
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:30.280
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858
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I've scheduled tomorrow for maybe a family
member to come on and talk about

859
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.719
the terrible case of Verdi can Stay
versus Abbey Michaels. She was the young

860
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:39.000
woman that drove the wrong way on
I seventy five, killing the family of

861
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:43.639
Tim Thompson himself, Karen Thompson and
Tessa, the ten year old little girl,

862
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.760
and a terrible, seemingly DUI incident. The blood sample was thrown out

863
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.480
a court because of a lack of
refrigeration, but the judge in this case,

864
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:57.119
Steve dan Coff of Montgomery County Common
Police Court, did not find sufficient

865
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.800
evidence shown to you. And I
now is James Bogan, criminal offense attorney,

866
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.679
And James, I know you've looked
at this case and your perspective normally

867
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:09.719
as mine is from criminal defense perspective. But what did the judge find?

868
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:13.079
And first of all, what did
he find to do you have any problems

869
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:15.199
with it? But first of all, what did Judge Stephen dan call find

870
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:20.119
relative to the matter of stay versus
Abbe Michaels. Well, he found her

871
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:29.079
not guilty of murder the aggravated vehicular
homicide case. That charge was dropped because

872
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.199
they couldn't go forward with it because
of that blood test blunder by the police.

873
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:40.159
But in this opinion here the number
one thing that stands out is you

874
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.840
have that text by Abbe Michaels to
her husband shortly after he got up big

875
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.920
off the phone where he called her
saying she called him saying hey, I

876
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:56.800
want to come see you and he's
basically no way. And the husband testified

877
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:01.679
that she expressed some suicidal ideation orally
over to phone and then she sends this

878
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:06.280
text shortly before the crash, saying
goodbye, I love you, Kyle,

879
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:12.519
I'm dying now, and that on
its face, the judge says, on

880
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.079
its face, the text most certainly
does not even hint at a plan to

881
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:20.639
drive an oncoming track an I seventy
five. That's like saying two plus two

882
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:26.239
equals six, which is what I
think this whole opinion is, how does

883
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:31.000
that's expressing suicidal ideation? And how
the heck is someone going to interpret that

884
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.599
as, Oh, you didn't say
you were going to do it with a

885
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.039
gun or with a car, so
you weren't really saying you were gonna do

886
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:45.159
what you said you're gonna do.
And the judge also completely ignored the testimony

887
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:54.119
of another driver where this other driver
saw her turning around to go back onto

888
01:06:54.159 --> 01:07:00.360
the wrong side of the road before
driving that way. And that's just this

889
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:04.480
verdict just defies logic and James Bogan, in order to operate a motor vehicle,

890
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:09.800
there's lots of conscious things you have
to do, so unlike simply maybe

891
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:12.639
firing a gun out of window not
knowing if the bullet's going to hit somebody

892
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.880
way out there, to operate a
motor vehicle, you have to pay attention.

893
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:18.800
Her foot was on the gas pedal
all the way to the floor.

894
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:26.079
She sends a suicidal slash homicidal text. And you know, it's not a

895
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:30.719
crime to commit suicide or try to
kill yourself, but homicide is a problem.

896
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.840
And there's not more a clear example
when she sent that last text to

897
01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:41.760
her husband, whose name is Kyle
Pastorelli, because he had just filed two

898
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:47.880
days previously to that incident, to
the murder, a divorce petition, trying

899
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:53.760
to divorce this woman. And so
she sends the text and that can you

900
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:58.800
read the text again, which is
two minutes before the crash, showing her

901
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:03.679
intent goodbye, I love you,
Kyle, I'm dying now. Well,

902
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:12.400
isn't that an indication she's about to
purposely engage in behavior the result of which

903
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.439
would be her death. And by
going the wrong way on I seventy five

904
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.199
and aiming her vehicle at the one
driven by the Mason family, she wanted

905
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:26.800
to do suicide and homicide because if
she wanted simply to kill herself, she

906
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.279
did not have to go on the
wrong side of I seventy five, a

907
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.000
purposeful act. She could have run
into a bridge abutment on her side,

908
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:36.720
So the fact explained from the prosecutor's
perspective, and I guess the prosecutor did

909
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:42.560
a pretty good job. Her name
is Anne Grandza, Assistant prosecutor, Montgomery

910
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.239
County. But in order to get
to that point of committing suicide, many

911
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:51.239
she had to commit a homicide in
the process, and explained from a let's

912
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:57.279
go to the prosecutor's perspective, what
did they have to indicate she purposely killed

913
01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:03.079
those three people. Well, that
other driver on the road that night said

914
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:11.039
he saw Michael's meet controlled movements as
she used an emergency turnaround to drive into

915
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.840
oncoming traffic. That's not something you're
doing while you're having a seizure. Now,

916
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:19.000
the thing that gets me is that
the judge says, oh, she

917
01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.680
must have been having a seizure while
she was doing this. These controlled movements

918
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:30.520
show that at least up up until
the crash, it looks like she did

919
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:33.239
was in control of herself. And
the fact that her jaw was locked shut

920
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:40.479
that was found after the crash,
And I do think that there could have

921
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:45.279
been some testimony put on to rebut
that saying hey, you know, you're

922
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:47.079
not going to have controlled movements like
this when you're in the middle of the

923
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:53.760
seizure. So if someone a seizure, I'm fortunately I've not had one.

924
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:57.880
I assume you haven't had one.
But if someone's having a seizure, don't

925
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:01.920
they lose control of their bodily movements. Yes, and there's no way you

926
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:09.199
can use an emergency turnaround to purposely
turn around and go into oncoming traffic.

927
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:15.119
And yes, she did have mental
health problems, but you don't see anything

928
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:20.880
here about naculs very reason insanity report. The judge said, because for mental

929
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:28.840
illness which was untreated, it was
likely she was not knowingly or recklessly operating

930
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.640
the car. Which it's like beasts
to me. That's like the judge saying,

931
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.720
oh, I think she was innocultary
reason in sanity. So that's pretty

932
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:41.279
much what I'm gonna do here.
Well, the lawyer Jay Adams must have

933
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.399
done a great job confusing the issue, and you and I like to confuse

934
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:48.920
issues when we represent people. But
nonetheless, there was not a medical expert

935
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:55.920
who got understand who said she was
having psychogenic, non epileptic seizures that would

936
01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:00.439
cause her to lose control of the
vehicle. Because the test, the money

937
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.800
from the other driver who witnessed what
was going on and the kid as you

938
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:09.039
was in control of the vehicle.
Correct, Yes, And you know,

939
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.760
I do wonder if the state could
have put on their own mental health expert

940
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:16.319
or so on, and but you
know that's just uh, that's just the

941
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:23.399
benefit of hindsight. And you know, we don't get to see we get

942
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:28.479
to dissect this thing after it happened
this morning. Or Scott Sloan had on

943
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:32.359
a family member that talked about the
devastation of the of the murder of Tim

944
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:38.560
Thompson and Karen Thompson, a little
Tessa Thompson's what that's done for the family,

945
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:44.479
which is horrible. Can you conceive
of other criminal charges that could be

946
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:49.880
filed at this point against Ammy Michaels, But at this point I think they've

947
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:57.920
blow they've exhausted their possibilities. Unfortunately, if the police had not screwed up

948
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.279
with that blood test refrigery, I
think they could have at least had her

949
01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:06.439
for aggravated vehicular homicide, three counts
of it. That would have been enough

950
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:11.600
to put her away for a few
decades. As far as the blood explained.

951
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:15.640
How that happens because she was injured
in the incident herself, that is

952
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:23.199
Abbie Michael's explained taking the blood against
her will. I would imagine taking blood

953
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:27.760
at the hospital and what they what
the police did with it. Well,

954
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:31.279
the police had custody this blood sample
to bring it to the corner's lab to

955
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:36.319
get it tested, and under the
Ohio Administrative Code, they're supposed to refrigerate

956
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:42.960
it right away so that it doesn't
keep fermenting and make the alcohol reading go

957
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:46.520
up. In this case, they
didn't do that, and under the law,

958
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:50.960
the blood sample had to be thrown
out. And I guess, of

959
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.439
course, the breath test wasn't available, the finger on her nose as stigmas

960
01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:59.439
wasn't available because she was injured,
and then they took the blood test.

961
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.479
So and the good old days I
mentioned this to another lawyer friend of mine,

962
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:05.880
And the good old days, maybe
thirty forty years ago, people were

963
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:12.640
convicted all the time of dui without
a blood test, without an intoxalizer.

964
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:16.840
And this case you had so many
pieces of evidence to indicate that she was

965
01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:21.479
driving under the influence, including Karen
Johnson of Channel five. Karen Johnson,

966
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:27.000
the Great Reporter, had video of
her at the Saint Patrick's Day party,

967
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.000
and some goofy looking hat seemingly on
the influence of alcohol before this happened.

968
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:38.199
Then you have her driving erratically.
It wasn't there significant evidence of drunk driving

969
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:44.640
without the blood test, you know
when it's based on security cameras, that

970
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.439
I would need to look at the
footage more closely be able to give more

971
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:53.920
definiti advanser on that apparently prosecutors so
don't know what they felt they had,

972
01:13:53.960 --> 01:14:03.439
but that that aggravated vehicular homa side
charge. Those counts were dismissed the friday

973
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:08.600
before the trial. You know.
Ever, every now and then, James

974
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:12.720
Bogan, criminal defense attorney, you
have a case like this where you shake

975
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:17.960
your head and say, how's this
possible? How's it possible that this young

976
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:24.359
woman could kill three people, husband, wife and child and get away with

977
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:29.119
it. It's almost it's mind boggling. But if you line up the reasons.

978
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:33.039
Number one, what was the refrigeration
of the blood alcohol which was a

979
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:39.840
serious blunder, big mistakes. Secondly, trial tactics, you would have to

980
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:43.680
think there could have been an expert
to put on to indicate that psychogenic non

981
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.119
epileptic seizures would call someone not to
be in control of the car, but

982
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:54.880
she obviously was. And thirdly,
to have witnesses testify about her going the

983
01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:59.359
wrong way on I seventy five and
aiming her vehicle at another car to kill

984
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:03.600
them and seemingly to judge I'd love
to as a criminal offense attorney, you

985
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:09.920
would love to have Judge Steven dan
Cough on all your cases because this guy

986
01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:15.239
was looking for reasons to find her
not guilty instead of objectively look at objectively

987
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.840
looking at the evidence. But well, James Bogan, your final comments on

988
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:27.199
this case, I just don't know
what to say. I think we've said

989
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.600
it all here. This is just
one of those that really makes you scratch

990
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:34.880
your head. It kind of fell
through the system, didn't it. And

991
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:39.199
that's one way of putting it.
Yeah, all right, James Bogan,

992
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:42.520
We'll see what happens. I'm gonna
try to get on another family member tomorrow,

993
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.399
but for whatever it's worth, I
don't see of another And she's been

994
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:49.680
locked up for about about three and
a half four years. Couldn't make bond.

995
01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:55.560
At least she's got some punishment,
but it's insufficient when you talk about

996
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:59.600
the death of three people and a
targeting incident. On I seventy five,

997
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:02.720
all of work on all of us
drive on interstate highways, and I could

998
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:08.439
not imagine at night was someone seemingly, according to the video, at the

999
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.800
Saint Patrick's Day bar party, she
was out of her mind, she was

1000
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:15.479
drunk, she was just notified that
she was her husband's getting a divorce.

1001
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:24.479
And then Kyle Pasterelli testified goodbye,
basically I'm going to kill myself, and

1002
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.079
the judge said, well, that's
not worthy of belief. The judge said,

1003
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:30.920
well, I mean he just dismissed
completely. He said, quote is

1004
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:38.439
crystal cleared to the court that Kyle
Pastorrelli's testimony is untrue and unworthy of belief

1005
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:42.439
quote unquote, because he should have
told the police that on the night of

1006
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.600
the incident. Well maybe it's I
think, yeah, I think he was

1007
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.199
probably in shock, yeah, and
that's probably why he didn't say that.

1008
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.880
And I think that text message goodbye
love you, Kyle, I'm dying now.

1009
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:58.720
I think that corrobbery what he's testified
to absolutely, it does absolutely,

1010
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:00.960
and I don't I don't know,
but he did when that happened, but

1011
01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:05.000
he didn't down nine one one,
But he didn't tell police for a while

1012
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.920
goodbye, because he might have thought, well, you know, we'll see

1013
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:14.279
what happens to me. You know, he didn't know. He didn't know

1014
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:16.439
she was trying to drive into somebody. I mean, he didn't know.

1015
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:21.720
If some divorce, you know,
future separated husband wife gets that kind of

1016
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:26.359
stuff, you might reflect on it
for a long time then call her in

1017
01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:30.039
the morning or afternoon saying, hey, you know, if I can help

1018
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:30.960
with something, let me know.
But we need to end this thing.

1019
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:35.760
But it's sad that sometimes you have
an opportunity of justice, but sometimes not

1020
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:41.560
justice itself. So James Bogan,
thank you for your perspective. And we're

1021
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:45.439
gonna try to get on another family
member either Thursday Friday to kind of wrapped

1022
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.439
us up. But as you say, this little or nothing that came down

1023
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:51.239
at this point. I can imagine
civil lawsuits could be filed. But but

1024
01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:56.439
I'm sure that Aby Michaels has little
or no assets, but she might have

1025
01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.279
some insurance. But we'll see what
happens, all right, James Bogan,

1026
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:02.079
thank you very much. Thank you, James, Thank you for having me

1027
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:05.520
always a privilege. Thank you,
James. James Bogan, criminal offense Attorney.

1028
01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:10.399
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Do I'm listening to too much Taylor Swift

1048
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:46.920
on the speakers and the headphones.
I know a lot of a lot of

1049
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.439
people that are, but that's just
not me. Maybe I will stop I

1050
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.119
heard that. I've heard the tour
is a lot of fun. Though maybe

1051
01:19:53.119 --> 01:20:02.279
I'll stop by. Hello, Hello, Quiet, And I'm just I'm broadcasting

1052
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:13.600
get the music and Swifty I am
not though you claim to be. Question,

1053
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:18.439
do you gain or lose respect for
Joe Burrow if you went to a

1054
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:24.520
Swifty concert. I'm being told he
may have a prominent part in the Swifties.

1055
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:28.359
He may be on stage. Well, they said you're going to be

1056
01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:32.239
on stage with him, Taylor.
If Joe Burrow appears on stage on some

1057
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:36.039
sort of acts as tone of go
berserk at the Taylor Swift concert. Would

1058
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:45.760
you ah gain respect for Joe burrow
be lose respect? Lose the same when

1059
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.399
she come in June thirtieth in July
one is that it hit us? Get

1060
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:53.239
the music. Move the Reds game
for God's sake, right, they move

1061
01:20:53.279 --> 01:21:00.560
the ship Reds. So maybe the
players want to go to the Swifty Jonathan

1062
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.039
India, and you sent a few, you know, I bet Joe Hunter

1063
01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:15.920
Green will be there, Jonathan India. Hit it here we go? Oh

1064
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:21.239
man, you sing you sing this
in the truck on the way home.

1065
01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:28.880
Wow, Swifty had a concert.
Swifty boyman, I'm kind of weird if

1066
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:33.439
I was your kids in there too. What about Kelly? Uh, she

1067
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:38.279
kinda. I don't think she cares
her politics very much, but women like

1068
01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:41.960
this. I'm in Reddin's Fine.
Meets him a dairy yesterday and the guy

1069
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.760
behind the counter says to me,
he's listening, and he said, are

1070
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:46.239
you really going to the concert?
And I said, I think I'm gonna

1071
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.640
be. I think I am.
And he said, I got two tickets

1072
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:53.039
in the second row. I see
Toledo. I said, what you gotta

1073
01:21:53.079 --> 01:22:00.680
do? He can't? I said, what my daughter would kill me?

1074
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:03.960
How would you adopt by his daughter
a automobile ten years old. I said,

1075
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:06.520
now, wait a minute. He
got some lottery. He got two

1076
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:11.560
tickets to sell. He's thinking.
I said, whatever it takes, if

1077
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:16.239
you can get twelve thousand dollars for
two tickets, oh anything. So that

1078
01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:18.720
caller caught it and said, look, we got in early. We got

1079
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:23.560
these tickets, besid. But you
know, and my daughter's gonna be mad.

1080
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:27.840
But we're gonna go on location we've
ever gone on on that twelve thousand

1081
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.399
dollar profit. Well, he's gonna
be twelve. I said, I can't

1082
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:32.880
do it. I said, you
can't take this second row. Oh name

1083
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:38.159
beer price. He makes fifteen dollars
an hour and he won't take twelve.

1084
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:41.920
Saw. I can't do it.
I said, we got to talk.

1085
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:47.880
You can change the direction of your
twelve Yes, pay off a bunch of

1086
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:55.359
bills here those punitive taxes in Hamilton
County. All that about an hour ago.

1087
01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:58.640
Rock, I'm glad you changed the
subject. We had on the widthrow

1088
01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:04.560
Tiger rugby team visit two champs.
They brought in the state Nathan Myers and

1089
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:09.199
Jonathan Pettit, who, by the
way, is the grandson of Bomb Pettitt,

1090
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:14.239
of course, remember him Saint Laws
US yep, and they played Saint

1091
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:18.680
X and rugby. I'm sure that
was the first question you probably asked,

1092
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:26.119
name you having to be Saint X. Third one? It was a third

1093
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:30.720
one. What's gonna happen to rugby? Say in ten years? He said,

1094
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:32.399
it will be the number one sport
in this town. Now here's a

1095
01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:36.560
deal. Now that rugby on the
surface seems ridiculous, and I think it

1096
01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:42.840
is. But but when I was
in high school and lacrosse was a club

1097
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.840
sport, there was like twelve or
fifteen guys. They're always carrying these sticks

1098
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:47.319
through the hallways and stuff, and
I'm like, what is this? And

1099
01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:50.159
like they're like, oh my gods, lacrosse. This is gonna be the

1100
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.800
biggest thing ever you watch. This
will be the biggest sport that kids are

1101
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:57.279
gonna want to play in twenty years. And I'm like, okay, whatever,

1102
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.800
you're gonna what I'll do? Baseball? Guess what banks are playing?

1103
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.640
These deaths? Yep, lacrosse is
bigger than baseball. On the surface.

1104
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:09.520
What the young man says ridiculous,
ridiculous. But and he said, the

1105
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:13.159
reason is you don't wear helmets but
I said, I've seen the rugby in

1106
01:24:13.279 --> 01:24:15.600
New Zealand, et cetera, and
they do that. I want to get

1107
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:19.039
a hucka dance together. Maybe people
here could do a huka dance. Put

1108
01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:23.560
the skirt on the whole deal.
Because I identify as a Polynesian, a

1109
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.800
male warrior, so I can be
what I want to be right absolutely in

1110
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:30.159
this country. I'm a six foot
ten in Chinese female and right now and

1111
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:31.000
then I say that, and who
knows? I want to be in the

1112
01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:34.279
third grade again. I'll go back
to the third grade. But he said,

1113
01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:38.600
we don't wear helmets. Had one
of his great players in the he's

1114
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:44.600
called half a fly half. The
fly half is Jemez Early Senior. He's

1115
01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:47.640
All American fly half. And he
said he plays half back in football and

1116
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:53.920
he plays fly half. He said
football is more difficult because you wear helmets

1117
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:58.119
and pads and you hit. When
you play rugby, you don't have helmets

1118
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:01.159
on. You got ear muffs and
you got a little padding for the gonads

1119
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:03.640
and that's about it. He said, you don't hit that hard. In

1120
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.239
fact, you can't use your head
at all. He can't can't use your

1121
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:10.319
shoulder. Got to you now,
it was the great Mike Dick about a

1122
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:13.960
decade ago, put out the proposition, that's what they should do with the

1123
01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:15.840
NFL players. Remember the big push
take the head out of the game,

1124
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.680
less concussions. He said, take
the helmets off of them. Now you

1125
01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:21.279
can't do that. But this is
the same flaw, same thing. You

1126
01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:28.800
don't have a plastic padded thing that
can take a humongous blunt force and you

1127
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.319
won't use your head right. And
he said, it's the next big thing.

1128
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:34.960
He'd rather play rugby than football.
He's got some football scholarships. He's

1129
01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:40.359
the nil situation with rugby these days. Tell me that then, I don't

1130
01:25:40.359 --> 01:25:43.840
know, idea. I don't know. But in ten years, when the

1131
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:46.520
little Rocks coming up with a seven
iron in his hands wanting to paint,

1132
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:49.840
Danny, I want to play lacrosse
and rugby, what do you say?

1133
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:57.479
But he made his room for a
while. Here's my thing with my son's

1134
01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.359
playing football, baseball, basketball,
I can there's something I can add.

1135
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:04.079
I've played those sports. I know
a little bit enough to be dangerous.

1136
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:08.920
Football, no, pretty good amount. I watch you coach. But and

1137
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:11.199
lacrosse. He played lacrosse. I
would know it. I don't know how

1138
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:13.479
many people are on the field.
I don't know how to I don't know

1139
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.720
what the strategy, what the plays, I don't know. In the world

1140
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:20.800
there four it is female senior citizens. My wife has three women to play

1141
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:27.239
senior Citizen Rugby. Would your mother
be interested in joining a Rugby Senior Citizen

1142
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:31.479
female team? No, Willie the
student. Your port us a proud service

1143
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:38.319
of your local TEMP starting and air
conditioning dealers TEMP star quality you can feel

1144
01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:43.439
in southeastern Indiana called Joe Eckstein at
Eckstein Heating and Cooling eight one, two,

1145
01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:47.680
nine, three, two, twenty
twenty six spots, Willie. Let's

1146
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.239
see those Reds go for the sweep. Get out the room tonight in Kansas

1147
01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:58.560
Cityel it'll be uh Ben Lively,
Amnuell Lynch the Reds and one four in

1148
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.119
a row. They got their twenty
can come back win last night. They're

1149
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:05.319
two and a half back of the
first place Pirates in the NL Central Kansas

1150
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:09.720
City further stinks. They've lost eight
in a row. They're starting last night

1151
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:15.600
Jordan Lyles falls to o and eleven. So the whole town's batty about Cincinnati.

1152
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:21.039
What a team? Okay? Prty
Brown I'm sure. Let's see,

1153
01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:28.359
uh Bengals Mandy guyat Yeah, yeah. All the Reds have the day off

1154
01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.840
tomorrow, but they head to Houston
over the weekend preview of the World Series.

1155
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:36.159
Astro slugger Jordan Alvarez is out at
least four weeks with an oblique strain

1156
01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:43.359
leak. He's on the i L. He's hitting two seventy two seventeen homers

1157
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:46.239
and fifty five RBIs in fifty seven
games so far. So he's out.

1158
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.239
He's out. Good, They're right
for the there you go, right there,

1159
01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:55.000
let's go pluck the Astros. Let's
see the Vegas Golden Knights rain as

1160
01:27:55.119 --> 01:28:00.359
us as Stanley Cup champs after routing
Florida last night nine to three. About

1161
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:02.159
that's a team for like six years, right, that's it, and they

1162
01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:05.840
won that. Their owners says they're
gonna let's see that. They're only gonna

1163
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:09.399
make the They're gonna make the playoffs
in three years. They're gonna win the

1164
01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:13.520
Cup in six He was right on
both. So now was it a franchise

1165
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:17.359
that relocated or brand new? Brand
new? About unbelievable. And the Nuggets

1166
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:24.760
won the NBA title the other night. Their owner Stan Cronkie has four championships

1167
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:29.199
now in three years. He owns
the Rams. Of course, they beat

1168
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:33.600
the Bengals in twenty twenty one Super
Bowl. Twenty twenty two, the Colorado

1169
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:39.960
Avalanche won the Stanley Cup along with
their team the n l L, the

1170
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:45.520
National Lacrosse League champs, the Colorado
Mammoth, and then he just won the

1171
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:49.159
NBA title this year with the Nuggets. He owns all that good much How

1172
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:56.359
much jade does that guy have?
If you watch that jokish guys, it's

1173
01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:00.000
unfair what he does. He plays
center, but he has like the he

1174
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:06.239
sees the court like a guard,
passes unbelievably, shoots out of his mind

1175
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:11.199
for a guy's seven foot tall shouldn't
be able to happen. Sixty percent from

1176
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:15.640
threes, and tested downtown and he
averages a triple double. And he looks

1177
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:24.199
like a goofball and he like doesn't
care about Money's not home. I'm going

1178
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:27.960
back to Serbia. He said,
when's the parade. I'm watching the picture

1179
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:31.399
tomorrow. He said the parade tomorrow. It's Thursday. But he said,

1180
01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:34.039
I'm going back basketball. He's someone
to go him. I got a horse

1181
01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:38.039
running in some way isn't that kind
of refreshing though, Like in the world

1182
01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:42.600
where every American athlete has twelve other
side businesses and Instagram account. You gotta

1183
01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.680
look at him on TikTok that crap. I'm playing ball. I'm like John

1184
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:50.840
John, I'll see it October.
I'm also also, of course, Wheel

1185
01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:57.800
of Fortune host Pat Pat say jack
about this one is retiring from four after

1186
01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:01.520
forty one seasons on Wheel of Fortune, and there's a lot of rumors going

1187
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:08.880
around that someone in this room might
be up to be his replacement. Can't

1188
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.960
say. I had a little twist, and I can't. It's not me

1189
01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:15.479
Rock and it's not you. So
by process of elimination, who might that

1190
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:21.680
be? Can't say? Apparently it's
between Ryan Seacrest and this unknown candidate.

1191
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:28.279
Now that job host of Wheel of
Fortune is in the running along with NFL

1192
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:32.439
Punter as maybe the greatest gig in
America. It works like thirty four days

1193
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:39.479
and that's why Ryan Seacrest will get
that gig for like it's unbelievable. Yeah,

1194
01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:43.319
now, how about this, I
gotta I can't say. A certain

1195
01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:50.720
engineer working with John Sadak says in
the Reds TV booth during breaks, they

1196
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:58.840
listen to Taylor Swift your sauce and
Chris Welch got it right here. Well

1197
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.399
you know why that is because it
was a Barry Larkin. I think he's

1198
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:05.800
very love Yeah Swift and Jack Cowboy
and Jesse Jackson. No cowboy, don't

1199
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.399
have no idea. Who's Taylor Swift
is? He's He's all country and that's

1200
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:13.520
it. Well she began in country. Yeah, but I mean do you

1201
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.600
think that Do you think the cowboy
knows about her? Yeah? Absolutely?

1202
01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:20.880
Do you think her first song was
about dating? Tim mcgrawl won't or something?

1203
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:25.920
Tractors and directors, Jack Daniels and
see you a lot about this and

1204
01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:30.159
you're leading on. Jarry here undone
in the front seat of his car.

1205
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:38.520
He's got a one hand beat on
the stern wheel the other armor. Bryan

1206
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:45.000
Kelly singing fake Southern accent. What
the same? My family bang? We

1207
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:59.600
don't have and he says song this
does nothing for lady's nuts. Do you

1208
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listen this on the way home?
Six thousand radio up? Don't blow my

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cover? Sorry? And Kelly wanted
you to get two tickets from a employee

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at Redness Fine Meets. Would you
pay twelve thousand dollars to take each one

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each if they found this somehow.
Jim Morrison actually never died in nineteen seventy

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one. He was on some island
somewhere. But you're gonna come back and

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give one last concert with the surviving
members of the Doors. I would still

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not pay twelve thousand dollars that.
What about a reunion of the Beatles with

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01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:35.680
Paul McCartney and AI's version of John
Lennon. I got a story on that

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01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:40.560
coming up later here my show What
If That Happened? AI is going to

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change the songwriting business. I mean
absolutely insane. One program. AI produces

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eleven thousand songs a day. Right, and if you want a script for

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01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:55.600
a TV show with just put in, they'll give you ten thousand versions of

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a script. Right, you put
in all the parameters that were gonna this

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01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:03.199
theme. We want to Grandpa greenwriters
in trouble. Who's gonna sign all?

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Who's gonna sue all that? With
that? What that? What? That?

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One guy and a shearing? Right? Yeah? The day with the

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with the h that was awesome.
What he did when you want I mean

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he played the four chords. Yeah, you know he is in like every

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song, and he rather off a
bunch of songs and it was the same,

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01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:24.279
same sort of chord ex change.
There's no anymore copyright lawsuits. I

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01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:28.159
don't think if you're gonna have AI
produce eleven thousand songs a day. What

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01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:32.439
about every guy generating I mean your
voice is obviously everywhere can pump your voice.

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01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:35.680
It kind of knows your theme in
the direction you'd like to go on

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01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:41.520
things, or if it could generate
some talk show content. Don't tell DJ

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Hodge, That's all I ask.
I'll tell them I get to computer program

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01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:50.039
here a great American. Just start
talking and it'll need me anymore. What

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01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:55.279
about you doing ESPN games like our
analysts this looks at it and they start

1235
01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:58.039
babbling. As long as I get
a cut, I'm fine with it.

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Twelve Thank you for two tickets,
but again, Row, second row,

1237
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.800
second row, Swift, name your
price, get the sweat off of her

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01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:14.960
leotards or whatever. Joe Burrow will
be on stage whole question. Pull his

1239
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:20.239
man card right now, the leader
of my team, wait on stage with

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01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:24.319
Swifty. What if they asked you
to go I Willie, we want you

1241
01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:29.960
to go on stage to say hello
to you know, Yes, renew here

1242
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.560
man card if on those stage at
one time is Taylor Swift, Joe Burrow

1243
01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:39.159
and the Great American Kill me and
I'm done? What's moving to? What's

1244
01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:43.680
wrong with that picture? What's wrong
with that one? That was on stage

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01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:50.880
once with Stevie Wonder, Lincoln Beware
and me. That was at the US.

1246
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:55.399
But the cooler one was when you're
the cape man for Jamie Brown,

1247
01:34:55.479 --> 01:35:00.239
James Brown that Oh man, you
did you party with him? After every

1248
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:05.720
one he came into the studio?
JB. Hold on, let's listen to

1249
01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:12.279
Taylor. I call her teeth teeth
Swift. Believe me? What the man

1250
01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:19.399
she has? Swift? Trouble to
look this? Taylor Swift or Billie Eilish

1251
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:28.199
sounds like Billie Eilish right here?
What it's Ai, It's what's on the

1252
01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:31.119
big show today? Yeah, we
have Ravigate. We have a lawyer Alex

1253
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:36.680
del Carmen talking about the drastic increase
in road rage incidents. At four o'clock,

1254
01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:41.079
we have Dean Reague as apparently there's
a meteorite out there. If we

1255
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:45.840
could harness it, it's worth like
twenty quadrillion dollars. How do you catch

1256
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:48.199
it? I don't know but this
has always been my my, my plan

1257
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:51.920
to solve the national debt. Okay, you can mind some of that stuff.

1258
01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:57.159
You haven't the rarest of rare objects
on the earth, a piece of

1259
01:35:57.199 --> 01:36:00.319
them, You're right, sell them, pay off a national debt. What

1260
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:01.319
are the problems you're going me to
fix? Seg Well, that's it.

1261
01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:05.880
Where like moon rocks and where is
the meteor? Where is it? Now?

1262
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:11.239
Can't say, let's find out where
it is? Find it moon rocks,

1263
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.880
meteor rocks? Sell them? Segment
give me out the Stews report because

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01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:19.560
the contestants and Jeopardy don't know the
opening line of the art Unbelieval? How

1265
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:25.840
about this last night watching quote Matthew
six nine says, quote our father,

1266
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:30.920
who aren't in heaven? Blank be
thy name? Answer is Hollywood. They

1267
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:33.239
got to be thrown out. All
three of them came up with Jessica sweet

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01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:36.359
lips and something else. They did
not know the opening line of the art.

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01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:42.039
Protect We're in trouble segment what are
you an honor of a Happy birthday

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to day to the United States Army
two hundred and forty eight years young and

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01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:50.720
also on this flag day, sir, we leave you with the immortal words

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01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:58.359
of the student report. No one
on Earth channel serves better than Bill segno

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01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:03.439
him two ball games all at the
same time. I'm blown away. I'm

1274
01:37:03.479 --> 01:37:09.159
not kidding now. One voice was
the was the bad boy Steve Stewart?

1275
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:12.640
Is he still with the Royals?
Who was the other guy? I don't

1276
01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:14.800
know who that other guy? Well, I think it was like a sideline

1277
01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:26.000
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