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Junior Adventures and Friends. Welcome back to side Quest, the episode between the
Games. I'm your host, MK Gibson, and today we got a very
very special treat for those who are in the know. We've been doing a
lot more art for the upcoming games and campaigns, but we're also doing a
reight perspective and we got to thinking, why have we not had all our
respective artists who have majorly contributed to authors and dragons over this time. I
turned to Steve. He says, I don't fucking know, you should.
You should probably do it. So I'm like, all right, let's make
let's make this happen. So let's start with our audit some of our artists
and we'll come back to us regular folks. Jail D please introduce yourself.
Hey everybody, I'm John Luther Davis, otherwise known as j l D.
And I've been with the podcast for quite a long time. Most of the
art that you see on the podcast came from me, and it's been a
great I don't know what's spent seven eight years now. Think it's been great.
Thank you Sandy. I am Sandy Butchers, and I think I'm one
of the more recent editions to the group, to the club. I yeah,
fresh, I'm the fresh blood. I did some of the newer artworks
for the Dicey Bastards campaign. Rather than that, I dip my toast to
pretty much anything art related. So I'm happy to be here, and I
definitely want to introduce the og, the man who has brought so much joy
and art and stylistic and it's just pure revolting style to A and D.
Robert Bevan, Rob, how are you doing? Hello? Friends? Great?
Yeah. I occasionally contributed some art. Occasionally we'll be recording a podcast
and Bob will just go quiet for a little while, and that's when you
know trouble's coming. And then all of a sudden in the chat you'll hear
somebody else's computer go boake. Everyone will just got quiet for me, and
somebody go ah bad extra voice joining us right now. Audio listeners, Uh,
Steven Ray, please be so kind of yourselves. Everybody knows who else
is here with us. Hey, I'm Steve Webell, I've I've done some
A and D fanaut, but it wasn't very good. So I just stick
to what I'm good at, which is talking shit on podcasts. My name
is Rick Vulteririan. I can't draw for shit, so although I probably am
just enough photoshop to be dangerous, and isn't that the best way to be?
So thank you all for coming out for this, for this uh uh
love of art, all right? Every day I thank god that Robert Bevan
doesn't not have to use I think he does. Actually, I think you
actually have a little bit of photoshop skills. Yeah, I got a little
bit of skill have developed over the years. Because I was you've broken out
of MS paint, Oh my god, it's terrible and no paint that net.
And that's what I am referring to when I say photoshop skills. I
see because I was I was scouring I was scouring a lot of you guys
respective sites this morning, and Bob, I was looking at your Facebook page
and going down through the cavers of creatures some photos and I stole a few.
Think I'm gonna share the screens here and we'll talk to our artists here
a little bit about it. But who, uh, who makes those memes
for you? Bob? Do you make those? You like? Okay,
that's it's beautiful, Like, I am so happy to hear that. So
let's let's first secon. Let's talk to Jaild real quick. How did you
get involved with authors and Dragons? Uh? So I was kind of,
I don't know, getting suggested all of these odd books from my audible account
and yeah, critical failures kept popping up. I'm like, I got a
credit. Let's see what this is, and it's it's just been downhill from
there, like here I am, I'll teach. And Sandy, how did
you get involved with authors and dragons? You're the one to ask through you
obviously, Well, they don't know. No, that's true, that's true.
We met like one three four years now. It feels like it's been
so long. How long do we know each other? Honestly, like it's
been eighteen months, maybe two years, it feels like one hundred years.
She has become my work wife. Even my real wife is like, are
you talking to your work wife? I'm like, yeah, I'm talking to
my work wife because we do all we do a lot of attack team,
a lot of projects. Again, so yeah, and well that's how I
rolled into a D SO and Bob. When did you learn that you were
not artistic savant when it comes to really capturing the essence of whatever it is
you're trying to do? Because every picture you do is truly, truly captivates
the mind and the imagination and the and the soul of what is you're trying
to bring across. When'd you realize you were that good? I right now,
fantastic. You do have an uncanny knack of conveying. I don't know
if good is the word. Yeah, I'm going to stick to uncanny nack.
Yes, every picture you do connote something horrifying and hilarious with you know,
just minimal ms paint skills. I don't know if it's if it's ain't
that okay, all right, I'll keep on giving Microsoft on this unnecessary do
He thinks that doesn't actually need to be anything horrific in the picture itself,
but somehow he conveys it like we did uh like we did Polar Express as
one of her ATMs a while back, and the hot chocolate the hot chocolate
scene, he basically just like puts it, puts like, you know,
there's nothing wrong with the picture. Just like the expression on everybody's face,
it's just it just implies the horror. He has the exact same skill as
an artist as he does as a human being, because I like to dabble
an art two and I I have my like my influences. What what would
you say, you guys? Is of this is questions for everybody. What's
your artistic influence? It could be writing, it could be drawing, What
what what people in the past have inspired you? Where do you get your
influences from? Personally? I'm a I'm a nineties kid, and I kind
of started my art career in a biker tattoo studio just redoing flash and and
that kind of stuff, and just looking at flashbooks and trying to replicate all
that stuff. And on top of that, I'm reading, you know,
comics like like Spawn and Battle Chasers, which is Joe matt Is my majors.
But on the other end of that, I also like a guy named
Rob Leifeld. The older I get, the more I like it. You
know that dude does not care and I love that. I love that.
No, he doesn't And like a lot of us are from the nineties,
make fun of the hands and feet all we want. He he made bold,
dynamic images that other people weren't doing, you know, and they came
out in a certain ways, like they're not all not anatomically perfect, but
like he had a visual style that other people have been trying to replicate for
years, whether they realize it or not. Isn't he the one who did
Captain America with like the double ds y, Yeah, like the Giant.
It's like he's both in the sideways and this way at the same time.
So, yeah, a waird one that did you see his follow up to
that, He drew the New Falcon as the Falcon Captain America in the exact
same post, doubled down on it as a big fuck you, Like I
know, I'm just gonna do it again. You've got four poses. He
will just beat the shit out of all of them. Yeah, Sandy,
what about your artistic influence? Is what he got? Oh? Well,
a lot. I get triggered by a lot of things, and triggered in
a good way by the way, like I I see some the world is
my inspiration. Really, I can just walk across the street and see a
leaf on the sidewalk and just go, oh, that's a super interesting shape.
So I want to take your lunch money so bad right now with that
answer, that is such an artist's answer. I know, I know,
I feel really bad about saying Okay, so exactly right. I mean,
this is this is when you are an artist. But honestly, I mean
when I was still studying and all that kind all that kind of stuff,
I remember off Or Duddy actually being a huge influence for me. Just the
smoothness of his collars, the super fucked up images that he would make.
I still love that. So I guess in a way you still find stuff
of that back into what I make. You know, this day, I
was like jail days the nineties, kid going with comics and those are a
huge influence. But when I did study art, it was Katie Klowitz.
I loved her black and whites. I loved her cuts and her charcoals or
what inspired me like just you can be messy and make it beautiful. So,
Bob, what would you would you say your influence is when it comes
to your art. I don't know. I assume at one point you're going
to be showing people this art. Oh I'm going to show some people.
Yeah, it's hard to say it's been influenced by anything. Yeah booze,
yeah there, but no, if I gotta choose somebody, I'll I'll pick
Brad Neely. I don't know if you know who that is. I don't,
but I'm nodding like I do. But I'm hoping you explain. That's
as far as I know how to go. What it's got some on YouTube
videos. Brad Neely, Yeah he does. Do you know who Braddely is?
No, well he's Brad Neely. Yeah. He did the George Washington
song. Oh yeah, well I know that one. Yeah, yeh yeah,
that's concepts kind of simply put, the art doesn't need to be good,
it just needs to be weird. And for Stephen Rick to same question,
man, like you know we all have we've all played some jack box
together, and I think everything like like's drawing good or bad? You know,
do you have any particular art that you stand up like? I like
that or I wish I want to be able to do that? Mike Coss
your cock? What? No? I just I literally just made up a
name, you know, I figured that's what Bob it was. It's my
cost Oh I see, Okay, I like horse cocks. I used to
try if you remember the old Mad magazine Sergio Raganz, Yeah, I used
to. I used to try to emulate his style a little bit, like
it was Manly groon fuck Sergio Aganis and the Wanderers. Yeah yeah, Green
the Water. Yeah, he had a great style. Like I had that
old VHS somewhere that still have a tape that was like drawing the Marvel Way
with stan Lee hosted, like had a Rob Life on McFarland and all those
guys. But he also had Sergio Raganis on there, and he was just
just drawing for stan Lee. It was a it was a fun video to
watch. Oh good, all right. So I really like comic book wise.
I think like I grew up with uh loads of like weird heavy metal
covers, and I think in two thousand eighty the artists for Slain I can't
remember. It's like Simon, Simond Bisley or By Yeah yeah, yeah,
they were incredible. Love that stuff. But if it came to like I
always I've always really loved cartoons, and I think when it comes to Bevan's
style of conveying certain ridiculousness and intensity and weirdness in the simplest way possible.
Bill Waterson, Calvin and Hobbes that he was a really talented artist. He
could do like when he did his Spaceman spiff stuff. He did all this
incredible kind of Jack Kirby style cosmic scapes and stuff, and then he'd do
is the hard boiled detective one and it looked great. But what he was
really good at is just conveying the ludicrous activities of a small, hyperactive child.
Yeah. Just again, that's kind of what bobbed us. Just conveying
the humor and ridiculousness of a moment. Same. I mean, when I
was a kid, I like, I mean, I grew up group on
my life, loving comics and reading them obviously, but like the art and
how they draw, and like different artists. Now some artists, like when
I was a young I didn't like them. When I was younger and I
got older started to appreciate them. Like Jay Lee, his weird abstract style
didn't hit me as a kid, but as I once I hit my twenties,
so like that, I start seeing the beauty in this not this form
that's not a form you know, I like it just kind of just trickles
off into a black like inky shape and it makes sense. But like a
lot of those guys, like the guy that drove drew the Max, I
can't remember the name of that gentleman, like uh something, Keith, Yes,
Keith, I I wow. That sh just start blowing me away,
Like yes, I love McFarlane. I love his fingers. He could draw
like, you know, nineteen perspectives of a finger on Spider Man even before
it did spawn. But then like I like, like Jim Lee for example,
I like it, but it feels so cold and stiff to me.
There's not a lot of life into me. He's technically flawless, but I
don't feel as much hard as I get from like like Jay Lee, who's
like they're the art's all over the place and it's very surreal and I I
really started digging that, and the same thing with Steve Cartoons. I grew
up on that and the covers of Dragon Lance books, you know, standing
out having this discussion the other day, cool, I really love these covers.
Like I was, I was sort of like, I like, I
love the lyri O War stuff, And it took me what like the easily
like more of the black and white like easily stuff that's like still in a
lot of the second edition books. I didn't like that as much when I
was younger. It felt very like like like a stamp or a stencil.
Then like because Elmore looked I'm in the world. I can see that drag
it very clearly. That's a cleric and I know it, damn it.
I'm with you. I prefer it when the I mean art could be too
technically good and two per I know the Marvel comments went through a stage in
a like twenty tens where everything looked fantastic, but it all became very formulaic.
I don't know. I remember reading this eye in Man one where they
did digital motion Blair on him. That's like the comics just write capaw and
do some motion lines. It's there's more heart to it. It's hits the
eye better. But yeah, I prefer it when there's a little bit of
just enough deviation from what is perfect, I guess and reasonable. I think
that's how comics have to work. It's supposed to hit your eye all at
the same time and then kind of hit it panel by panel. You're looking
at a form over function, you know, kind of twist in there,
and sometimes I think in comic in comics it becomes function over form, or
at least in more modern comics. Yeah and I yeah. As somebody with
zero talent, I understand nothing of the forms. I guess there's some art
like, hey, ricord Rick, are you still playing Marvel Snap? I
know I am. I haven't. Oddly enough, after after we did that
podcast of it, like my desire to play it just went away. Oh
man, it's well, it's still my it's still my toilet time like like
like or like I got five minutes time game, but I get and this
is no. I've seen the man's other work, and I'm not talking shit
about this artist. That being said, every time one of his variants pop
up as a you, hey, do you want this car? Like I
don't the dan Hip variants of all the of all the because it's not even
cheeby. It's very flat, it's very two tone, it's very almost like
coloring book style art. That's something it's overly simplified, and it doesn't work
for me. You know, I don't know if you you're playing Marvel snapps
cards are everywhere now and they're driving me nuts. Yeah, I can't.
I really can't believe that people go on there and they actually spend real money
on variants of a digital card game that could go away at any time.
Now, I will spend money for a digital copy of a movie that's just
in my digital library. That's as soon as it gets bought out and it's
gone. But yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. We're keeping people
employed, all right. Important. Also, I'd like to jump in and
say that, uh these do Steve has a lot more artistic talent than he
gives himself credit for. Here. Oh, I would have loved I would
love to be in an eye uh j l D. Sandy. I love
you guys, But if I could kill you and take your talent, I'm
with like something. I think I said this exactly one Oh. I said
this to Sandy the edge of the other day, like I. But I
also saying, Steve, I'll cut your fingers off if I can learn to
play guitar, and I'll make you watch well I do it. You know,
It's like I I have permitted if this is possible, I'm yeah of
killing somebody, devouring them and taking their power. Your fingers to go to
play guitar, you know, or sing, you know, because like I
have tried on so many occasions to learn to play like trombone, the drums,
guitar on four different occasions. And I realized very quickly that I practiced
really hard and really put my effort into it, I'd be very average.
So I quit. I don't know why I keep having sex, but damn
it, I hate just being very average and something you're putting all this work
into it. So that's always what a sex is, like the one thing
you can fail at and still feel good abase it. I feel good.
I don't know about you, but I feel great. High five me,
all right. If we could have ingested power, no no offense, jail
D, you wouldn't have survived. Like the first A and D con Well,
I was sitting there. I met jail D in twenty twenty three at
that first time you guys invited me to and he was this katie corner from
my booth, and I like, during some of the downtimes, I went
over there to check out his arm and like, god, damn it,
and you just sitting there just sketching away, like and I just think of
like I'm not in my head. I'm talking. We have a lot of
things in common. I'm sitting there going God damn it. I because all
I wanted to do as a kid was learned how to draw, like I
still draw, but then I would like take these big hunks of times off
because I wanted to do writing and art. That's all I ever wanted to
do as a kid. My parents did not support art school or a writing
like they're gonna put money. If I'm gonna go to school, it's not
gonna be for writing. So I joined the military instead, so I had
to do all this shit in my spare time. What he kills me is
like years back, I like, you know, I hired a comic book
artist who's done like you to work plenty of work in the field, to
do a build a Vampire number one comic, and well, first of all,
he kind of phoned it in, but second of all, like the
work he did. And then like I've seen the work jail d it unlike
you know on the Andi comic end the AI comic. I'm just like,
this is so much better looking. Way was so lucky with that, Kuz.
I think it's fair to say that we just had the idea of like,
hey we could do jaild. He's doing his fan o. Let's massifically
like exploit him. I don't think i'd never written a comic book. I
don't know if you'd ever. I think you tried. You'd had a couple
of swings at the back book combooks before, is that right? Yeah?
I'd written some like you know, all the things that I like, buffet
type sort of projects that they were literally they weren't going to go anywhere because
like I don't, I don't know what I'm doing, so uh yeah.
But once I got some direction, I have like some actual writers telling me
what to draw, and there's examples of like what I need to draw,
and after that it's just doing the work, you know, and trying to
make it look interesting. It's been a very cool experience because the one thing
of like I collected comic books for a while, I've always been interesting comics.
But the one bit of advice I retained from it was I think the
Marvel method is basically get the fuck out of way of the artist. So
it was easy for me just give you some vague direction, just point you
like a big artistic machine. Gun, there's vague direction, and there's like
like saying, you know, dude, you're reading my mind. I was
like, well, this explains a lot really often dragons we are the kings
of vague direction. Yes, I mean if I you what does this character
look like and the answer is yes, okay, he looks like ize when
we were when we were working on the Dicey Fastards thing. Uh, you
know, several of the folks like like Steve and Rick, you guys were
what like someone already had some existing for example, like we had an idea
with stand Andeliver because Gilt had existing art. Moog face Eater did not.
But he gave some good information and he gave some good like you like,
what's the pathos behind his eyes which Sandy lovingly like honed in. I we'll
see the picture here in a little bit. And then there's some other folks
who are like a character like damn. I'm not here to call Drew out,
but I think, like, you know, a lot of our first
exposure to Jaild was he just kind of showed up like one day and he
was like, hey, hey, I did like, you know, some
fan art, and it was like, wow, this is pretty much what
this character should look like. That is now our official uh exactly that.
Sandy and I met in an author's group on Facebook, became friends. We
played the same video game, and we had read a little bit of each
other's work, and she sent me one of my first pieces of fan art
for Techno Manser and that's why I like, hey, do you want to
maybe do an illustrated thing together? And she's like, dud it. I
thought you never asked. Okay, I got nineteen thousand ideas and here's the
layout and here's the battle plan. Oh, by the way, here's the
entire marketing campaign. I'm like, oh, okay, how do I act
like I'm I have but you know, nod my head a lot, and
how do I make this seem like this was my idea? So your name
on it on the Indiegogo campaign. He did it and it's done. Yeah,
exactly. Well that's for tax purposes, no, but it's one of
those like even jail D like he's he picked up one of our books and
we were like so thankful for that, you know, and it's like,
I know we talked to jail D. You know, we talked in the
last con and twenty four in Portland. You're like, I'm doing all this
work for them, Like I'm I am. You are like I'm reaching some
limits because like you have your own work life going on, got everything's going
on. And uh so when I said my friend Sandy, is is it
cool if you bring her in to like take some ideas and you know,
I think we all appreciate what she's done so far for the Dicey Bastards war
coming. Yeah. Well that's the thing, is like, because we all
had respected one another earlier on like like like game respects gate, so and
I'm just I'm thankful for that here. I also really love that Sandy's style
is so like much of a departure from what I do. Like you know,
it's like very painterly. It looks very d and d and I love
that, Like that's the kind of that's the kind of stuff I never could
make myself, you know, do like I have to do hard black lines
and everything. You know, that's right. Well, I think all my
life I've been trying to do what you do for jail D and I try
to do Sandy doesn't guess what I can do neither I can do I can
I can make a picture and I feel good about it. Here's the thing
I'll do. I'll work on a piece of art and I feel very proud
of myself and I show it to one of my art friends and I feel
like I'm patted on the head, like, oh, look at you try
it. Look at your champ just just a little little little champ there.
Actually I'm like, I'm almost fifty fuck you and it hurts, I'll tell
And it's not me, by the way, right moving on, So no,
no, no, no, it's one of things, like I I've
said before, like I like they said earlier. I know I have art
jealousy. I am jealous of anybody that's like taller than me, could sing,
could play guitar, it could draw better than me. So fuck a
lot of you people. You know, a wonderful head of hair there.
To be honest, I feel the exact same thing because when you said that
both jail D and I were going to be in the same stream together,
I had to stop myself from fangerling because I'm a huge fan of jail D's
work, and I'm like you, I'm always super jealous of you know,
the style that he uses, and so there's there's always something to be jealous
as towards someone else. It doesn't matter what you can do or how good
you are. Jale, you saying that like you like my work, that
gets me, Like I'm because it's completely true, Like I love what you've
done, like I was looking at it and yeah, it's just like give
you a say, and like I'm looking at him like I wish I could
do that. I'm the same thing. So this is just I guess this
is just what it means when you're when you're creative, you always have people
you're jealous of. It doesn't well yeah, and like writing wise, yes,
yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. You read read another book
and you're like that mother came up with a much better joke than I write,
or something well, like you've you've mentioned like H. D. M.
Gay who I fell in love with her books a while back, and
it's like I read the first like that twenty four to seven Demon Martin,
I'm like that asshole, this is so such a brilliant concept that day,
how dare you have it before me? And do it so damn well?
Like I really hope I can get her onto a D and D podcast one
day she said yes, and I'm trying to like, but it's it's yes
with caveats because she's like, you're she's what she said, Rick Rix behind
this, isn't he? Because he's been trying to get me to play D
and D for when I've told him no, And now here you are trying
to push it again. I'm like, yeah, it's like cocaine. Here,
try it a little cocaine. She hasn't she hasn't told me no,
she's she's given me definite maybes. I got it. I gotta break in
here for a second. Steve, speaking of concepts that are being successful for
Stoned by someone else, how is the Dragon writers with perms going? Yeah,
Dragon Ride were perms. I'm quite confident that no one can do that
as well as me. I'm happy to sit on that, let it percolate,
and then just let that egg hatch in all these disco themed glory see
now it's the hatching mirror ball. Let this egg hatch. The joke was
missing last night. So yes, if anyone tries to take that idea,
they're just gonna I think they're going to know in their heart that they're not
worthy for you, Bob, is there anyone that you're jealous of? Are
you? Just? Like? No, I'm cool FU everybody. I'm the
best. I mean, my my art is what it is. I don't
really aspire to anything better if it was. If it was better, it
would lose what magic it has. So I'm I'm satisfied with my talents and
for what that is. Well, no, no, that kind of peace,
like, aren't you ever bring me any kind of success or anything.
I'd be jealous if I was counting on that for for more than it is.
Well, I always thought of certain things. If you go an yest
where you think not many people could get away with fucking space puppies, then
that's to me, that's kind of like that's a sign of greatness as far
as I'm concerned. If I tried to throw some space puppies, somebody would
have arrested me. I mean, we we have friends that are sculptors,
and I literally showed them like you know, like Bob Snowman sucking its own
dick, and I was like, can we can we get them? Can
we get a mugg? Like can you do them? Got that in here?
So for the audio fans, unfortunately, like we'll do our best to
describe it, but uh, for the video fans, you're gonna see this.
I curated a quick list of actual art from our from our respective artists
here. So first up, and like, there is no rhinal reason to
this, it's whatever it was saved as so it's like just alphabetical power went
into the file. So first up we got looks what appears to be Alphonse
punching out a minute oar done by j LD. What what was behind this
one, buddy? Uh? So I was I was thinking Alphonse would be
like a more of like a hardened sort of because these were kind of gruff
on the on the podcast played by mister John hartn Is corrected, Yes,
sir, and uh, I just modeled him after like, you know,
whatever short sort of gnarly looking mma fighter I could find, and I found
a couple of reference photos and I kind of just modeled it after that.
Oh, I love it. I gotta say about this one. I do
like for the listeners. This is Alphonse punching a minotaur in the face.
There's a lot of action. Guy, It's like one of the freeze frames
from Rocky with a lot more cow man in it. And a flying tooth
and a glowing fist. It's one of those like it gives me like,
like we said, Joe mad vibes, because I love the angler. I
love the like the the angle of the muscles and the form of the heavy
black lines. But also gives me like a little bit of the anime type
of thing, because like I could feel this, which is a little speed
lines. I could I feel this impact. And I love using steam lines
instead of a blur tool that looks so much better. Absolutely, yeah,
it's again what Sandy was saying about. Actually, you know, intelligent commentary
or not. Yeah, I pulled this off of Jail D's Instagram because I
know you also have a love there. It is you also have a love
of biomach correct. I love biomet I will I will inject that into anything
that I do, even in that alphonse that that monitors horns, but those
are biomet horns. I just didn't put all of the little fins in it
or whatever. Yes you did there it is. Now this is a little
bit more. This is a bit more difficult to explain to our audio listeners.
I'm gonna imagine, imagine if you're a boy scout and you got your
first CHIFULU slayer badge, your culu merit badge. You summoned an elder god
or well done, Timmy, maybe just a show goth, but yes,
this this is really cool? All right, Bob? Oh, yeah,
explain yourself. Bevin appears to be a horse to pull ups. It is
to see that he's not happy. Excuse is I don't remember the expression of
his faces? I am a horse. This was a terrible idea. Also,
both of them, the eyes are on both sides in a very like
Dolly and or Picasso kind of way. But here's the fucking works for me,
and I'm loving this. The bold blue, the orange of very good
contrasting colors, and I'm not boys working. This is awesome. I do
remember the episode this was from, and there was a horse trying to do
pullups very unsuccessfully. At this image tells us everything we need to know about
that person. All right, audio listeners, if we're doing our best to
describe it, I tell you what. This is the time when you want
to come to roughly thirty minutes into the podcast, find it on YouTube and
check this ship out. Yes, so for those who don't know, Bob
has been doing a thing on his Cavers of Creatures YouTube channel where he's been
basically going through every single spell in the game, and him and his partner
Sam have been doing a great job of like explaining what these spells do and
don't do, and fun ways of messing with them. But I think Bob
has a great time making the thumbnails for these because we have Michaelangelo's the creation
of man Steen Chapel. Tell you what, man if somebody if if the
Catholic Church had paid michae Elangelo to paint the roof assisting channel and he'd done
this, I mean he would have been executed. But also there probably would
have been a civil war. This is why I have been getting JLD here
to replace as many of these as quickly as possible, and that's why I'm
going so slow. Bob. A lot of a lot of these are frontloaded
as Bob because I grabbed them. I just said, Bob won Bob to
Bob three, So we're gonna go. We're gonna get some some Bobs in
here. Resistance now this is one of my favorites because like this, lady's
doing her best to fight this cupcake. So we have the Drowser of the
sorcerer cast him as a resistant spell on a plus sized princess who's trying to
fight back a cupcake. And here's the thing. It tells the story right
away. Yeah, absolutely does. And also Joelcer is kind of getting off
on this, Yes he is. I mean every he's always kind of getting
off on him. This one is my favorite because the spell alters. Jorserer
has a unicorns horn, gills, claws of tail, and a moose's antler.
And the thing is, like in the spell itself, it allows you
to make these small alterations to your character and gain to adapt to a survive.
But he threw all of them. Give you didn't point out the best
pop because he has he has moose side list, he has a unicorn horn,
he has a I may tell, but he also just has a pair
of classes disus. It could be anything he wanted to be what it wanted
to be, like slightly short sighted, that hard. It looks like glasses,
so I don't know. Again, this is what just says exactly what
it needs to be. So the spell is true. Strike Now Grocier is
pondering fans like he's got his he's got his hands on his chin and he's
pottering. He's got a thought bubble. The spell is true strike where to
hit the enemy, and it's a canhrip you cast in the beginning of a
game, at the beginning of a round, so your next attack is advantaged.
And he has what appears to be a goblin or a muscular goblin or
doing two scimitars and an arrow pointing right to his junk, so he knows
just where to hit you. Damn it. The thing is, he probably
could replace that with any enemy in the game. Really, that rede hour
is not going yeah, spoiler that free strike. It's always to crutch and
always terrible just till the next round. It is a it's a shitty spell,
just the classic Gorcerer. Just behold his wonder ah do you know wonderful.
It's probably worth mentioning. The inspiration for Gorcer the Sorcerer was complete laziness
on my part when we were this is my shot, salty bastard. Yeah,
when we were getting ready for that, we were all instructed to go
on, was it hero forge, yes, and make up our our own
character designs. And I thought, you know what, once again I asked
you to do one. I asked you to do one thing for me,
Beth, one thing. I was not going to figure ou out another piece
of technology, so instead I spent about five minutes drawing Gorcer the Sorcerer.
It's incredible there are geniuses. If we had like an entire marketing panel trying
to come up with Jewster or Disorcerer, they would not come up with that.
Now another classic here detect thoughts. Now Jorcerer has you know, he's
checking out a very attractive blonde lady box him and her thoughts are please go
away. And he looks actually a little nonplus because I believe like in his
childlike wonder, he's like, he's not mean to any harm. But you
know, I feel bad for him, but you feel uncomfortable in his presence.
I like how he said very attractive lady, which is once again testament
to Bevitt's skill that conveying ideas that aren't necessarily backed that by his outwork.
Because she looks like she's been hit by a bus. You just you would
tell me what dat her? And we were like, I mean, she
brings around Martini with her, But that's that's me, Gibbie's that doesn't mean
anything. I date Joecer in real life. Now, the reason I love
this one is because I read Steve's comment, like, I think this is
what actually Gorser looks like under his robe. Like, that's your head cannon
for this. The arms have had are is a warlock spell that allows cast
the cast basically spectr arms from the from the nothingness, and my head cannon
the jecerer is still he's not a human. He's a mimic that was trying
to mimic a pedophile and got stuck. That's just my head cannon. That's
not necessarily a and D law mass here wounds. Now it's the beauty about
this one is the grocer's healing who it appears to be a woman, an
old man, and a raging monster. It's the thought bubbles like the old
man's like I still have chlamydia as he's staring longingly at grocer's junk. Yeah,
these are recycled from other drugs. No, well, as you can
see the woman there, the attractive woman, we've seen her. Yeah,
but now she feels strangely aroused, and you know, I appreciate she's she's
had a couple of Martini's. Uh, this one, unfortunately, I only
got a screenshot of it. It was a great gift that you've done,
where it's like vicious mockery, his eyeballs fall out and then he falls flat
and dead like I wish i'd gotten the gift for this and I had.
Fortunately. Yeah, well you've recently stepped away from that one because those weren't
successful at all. Nobody likes the goblin face melting. Now just do the
the vicious mockery and uh like a still picture of someone looking horrified and the
public ways right bevan sometimes but those are so much more successful now, all
right, This brings us to a piece of Sandy's art. Sandy tell us
about Caberry the Expedient what appears to be a centaur holding an axe. This
was one of the one of the art pieces where I asked the player,
tell me something about your character. Let me let me, let me let
me feel this character. And the answer was yes. So I went from
there. I went with the yes, and this is what came up.
This is actually I don't know if Steve has noticed this, but I remember
for Ships and Giggles, you sent like this picture of this weird hat in
the chat like it's Sony's this hat. This is the exact a cappy hat.
Yeah, yes, it was exactly this hat. So I don't know.
I went with something peaky blinders, kind of draft horse with an axe.
I it. What's the fast thing about this to me, Sandy,
is you've solved like an internet meme, like when people are trying to be
funny about like where a neck tie is on his neck or around his horse
shoulders. That is both you fucking idiots. See, I admit that in
my blindness, I thought it was a long tie that started at his neck
and went down all the way down. I didn't in my in my head,
it's one tie that just goes all the way straight down. Now it's
two of them. It's definitely. It's definitely two cool podcast right around for
some prohibition. It's gonna bust up a union. Now, this was a
collage of a lot of your work standing how much how much did this how
much time? This one set your back? Not that much really, because
I have had the charged Well No, this was I mean what no,
I mean? This is this is you know, this is just the amalgamation
of all the art that I've made, and I just smacked it onto something
that I honestly found on the web. So I the setup for for the
cards and the candles was there that actually is not mine, but the artwork
is in there. So I mean, in total, I spend what one
and a half months working on these characters. So I guess one and a
half months sounds good to me. That Claudia is dope. Yeah, that
Claudia is dope. Like because I got a chance to play with Claudia that
sound weird. I got to play with Emily character, so I mean I
was like, well, those are oddly thick and like it's like she's like
she's like just but not like yes, they called me out, Okay now
I got I can't. I can't back out of this one now. But
I was like, damn, Claudia's got some tata. I was like,
well, you know, like boods, Like I love boobs, but like
those are some prestigious boobs. So yeah, and a bear don't. Like.
I got a chance to play with her, like in a couple of
one shots, I ran and like you know, she said, she say,
I this really captured the character I got to know from like her playing,
so it just it works for me. So it was it was weird
for me because like the way she described the character, Claudia for me wasn't
ugly. She was just dirty as fuck. So I really just started with,
Okay, so a pretty girl who has all these you know, these
these add ons, the the bare head and the like the different types of
clothes, because I remember looking into like Native American stuff, Mexican stuff,
like proper fantasy stuff, and I just smacked that all together. And then
I was I was like, okay, well, she's a very pretty girl.
And I remember it was you, GiB Or, it was Emily herself.
You just said I need dirt. It needs to be dirty. And
I really felt like, oh, but I'm going to ruin this thing.
But and and the end, you know, she she's dirty, but I
look at her and like it makes sense. It fits the character to be
Gruss. When we were when you were working on this, and we were
bouncing these ideas back and forth in your initial sketches, and like, uh,
that bear head needs to be huge, because it was it looked like
did you kill a child bear? And she's wearing the little tiny bear on
the head. It's like we had to blow that bear head up. It's
like when we went back and forth for probably good half an hour arguing the
size of the headdress, and there was the discussion of wasn't just going to
be like a beanie with ears or was she going to have like the war
bear on her head? And because I think the original artwork was just the
beanie and that just was a bare hat that jail D had originally done,
and it was it had less of it didn't look as much like a real
bear, I guess because Klaus had a bear coat, which yeah, looked
like a proper dead bear. But Claudius was a big cue. But I
also drew that dead bear head on Klaus really small, and nobody questioned it
at all. I remember just reading the description with a literal bear, so
I was like, okay, well I'm just going to run with it.
So there's another piece of jail D, sir, what do we got going
on in this particular? I got this one off your Instagram page and I
just caught my eye with like the glow, the effect like that, and
I just loved it because I also loved the white highlights. So yeah,
so I was working on that yesterday when we were watching Howard the dug,
which is why I was kind of but this is a for Calamity four.
This is a new character that Steve's introduced, and I'm having a whole lot
of fun drawing her. She's basically like, she's the one that comes in
and has to fix the the guy's fuck ups, the clean up. I
mean, she's a cleanup crew. You can tell she's you know, a
Drew MPC because she's competent and is achieving something. She's very Oh yeah,
speaking of I guess of chronicles of Clammy four, I will say to everybody
listening, watch this space still happening. Follow JLD for more titbits. I
guess, yes, follow JLD for more tidbits, all the titty bits,
sanity this logo. How much fun did we have playing with this? I
don't know how much fun did we have? This is a render eight nine
something like that. Yeah. Yeah, this was one of those scenarios where
we couldn't quite get from everyone what we wanted, but we were damn good
at telling everyone what we didn't want, so we went from there. We
rolled with it reflexible like that. Sometimes you take the feedback you can get
with a group like this. Yeah, we were just like, there's not
enough sexual menaced. I wasn't aiming for clean, but I wasn't aiming for
like, let's let's not put a floppy dick on there either. So but
when we talked about Gorcer and I had made a joke like do we want
Georcier to be our Mickey Mouse? And Sandy's like, oh, how about
inspired by? And then in minutes she came up with this, and then
she added like the mustache. And then I'm like, it is like a
dark Gorcerer like photo. That is like even Bob saw it on the discord,
like his answer was, oh my, and like I know we hit
something there. I was like, damn it. Everybody was right, this
is this actually really does work, Like I want this sticker from my laptop.
It is cool. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's like it's like
alternate universe, like you know Georcerer, where he's both evil and competent,
the dark grocer, yeah, and not masturbating constantly. Well, this is
just what he looks like, the childer the external view, like you know
what we sees how he sees himself, but this is how everybody else sees
gorcer it Also it also has a really like cool like punk vibe to it
too, like it does usually like I'll go back to that real fast.
Like the one thing Sandy was working on the initial sketches that worked for me
was like it had a zine feel, like, yeah, the old unk
rock like like zines, like a couple of styles. I like if it
was literally taped on and then photocopied and had this kind of but but professionally
unprofessional vibe to it. That really worked for me. So I'm glad we
got to settle on something that like still had that same feeling. We originally
tried one with the goateee that went all the way down and it's like just
a little weird dangling thing made. Yeah, But I honestly, from from
all the pieces that you know that I did and give that you and I
kind of worked on together in a way, I think the process behind the
logo in the end is definitely the most interesting one that we've gone through.
Really agreed tough. Yeah that that That's pretty much the point where suddenly we
had opinions like everything else like this is great, this is great, this
is great. Then suddenly he was like No, that's too heroic. No,
that's too confident. Someone says, no, it's it's not like we
didn't freeze in the process. It wasn't like a complete stop to everything.
It was every time someone said no, I want something else, we went
on to something else. So it was just it was growing and just looking
back at that seasane. It's way more professional than me. No, I
cursed every one of your motherfuckers for a look good seven eight minutes. Like,
if you didn't shot up to the media, you vetoed your artistic endeavors.
Like she's like, she's like, why don't you act like a professional,
Like I'll stop being a child. Okay, you're right, Okay,
let's let's refocus. Let's refocus. And it's like, yeah, like a
professional. There's me going like this doesn't make me feel uncomfortable enough. Turn
Advice said, No, both you and Rip are very honest in your approach,
Like, listen, this is the brand, Sandy brand. Let's let's
what's lean into it a little bit. And I think I was the most
resistant at the time. Not. I think it's only reasonable to give to
warn people. The logo should warn people, right, So I think that
particular like like George, Like this George adjacent figure really sets this down,
which brings us to this piece. Like Sandy and I were going around like
what makes for a good DM, and we like trying like a lot of
different things. We tried a lot of different things. Really, I was
in on this process a little bit, and this was perhaps the most interesting
process of the characters because it was so I guess nebulous what you were trying
to. Yeah, well, like Rickle, back me up on this.
Like when you're when you're running as a DM, you're you're everybody like the
characters of them. Then you're everybody else. So there's like no one central
figure that can identify you. There's no shorten of the actual DM guy from
the eighties car tune, nothing. There is no dms like recognizable symbols.
So you have to like kind of like pick something that's like there's a missed
opportunity you could have got done, like you know, give me as like
you know, well, well I won't. I want say balder, you
know, fatter and like there's a long long beard and Google creepy googlely Now,
then he would just be like Jeorser or the DM that's true. Oh
I'm glad you didn't do that. That being said, I want to run
in a game where Jorser is the DM, like I do kind of want
to play that like that one shot one day, Dungeon Master's just Joe Survey.
He's in Levis strips. This is another one I pulled off your Instagram
because I just I've I've always fallen in love with Like I said that that
matter ray of style, like where the arts oorations and the muscles, the
blacks, the heavy blacks, the lights and all the colors working together,
because this one is a work in progress, because you could still see the
work in the background where you're blotting it out. Yeah. Yeah, and
man, that was that was years ago. Yeah, it was started that
one. I don't remember what I did that for. That was for you
put Yeah, I think it was issue too. We needed an extra page
and you just came up with this kind of final, fancy style video video
game start screen of Buorg sharpening his sword while fendingo tunes is loot before the
adventure began, And it was a really like nice piece. The one you
say, if you're watching this on YouTube, you're not really capturing this in
this glory, but you can capture in his glory by buying the fucking comic
book. So I do that, Yes, by the fucking comic book.
Blood Blood, She'll, she'll, she'll, Okay. I pulled this one
specifically because, like I have you played with Judy, Like I love the
GG character, and I love when art is still in that that concept stage
when you're like like whenever you open the Master MANU or the DM book,
you got the like the yellow paper and the sketches type of style that's going
on right there. This version of Gigi works for me because it tells me
everything I need to know about this character. And I love working with this
like this off white paper with just gray markers and incapens. It's so much
fun, Like and I can if I make a mistake, I have to
own the little mistakes and just roll with it. And I don't know,
it reminds me of of tattooing drawing like this. It's like, if I
make it a little mistake, I have to do things to make that mistake
disappear. And it's sort of like the same thing. So like, yeah,
stuff like this is very stressful, but it's a lot of fun and
it's really gratifying when I'm when I'm done with it. No, dude,
it's it's it's brilliant. I love Yeah, you really summed up the attitude
of the character. They're speaking of something. Yeah. I didn't want to
make it obviously a penis, so I put the owners on the end of
it. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. For anyone who's only listening, this
is Jossers, I guess, in adventure mode, casting a web from his
sticky wand and plaster plastering someone against the dungeon wall with fake white float.
I hope I've done that justice. And he's staring into the camera and he
looks very pleased a steering at the camera. He has bloodshot eyes. It's
like it's like I'm not with that eye is ready to pop out. He's
so excited, you know. And it's the yellow teeth that worked for me.
Also, it kind of like smiling in such an endearing way. Come
on, the teeth. It has to be the testicles at the end of
the world. Come on. Sharp viewers will notice that this wand has testicles
functions. It's a security knob. Speaking of drser another version so so Sandy
transitioning from that grocer to this droser. How was how was that task for
you? Is it? Tom Jones? The sex bomb? That was the
theme that with including like the bare chest with the hair and the tie with
nothing else. That dude, that was what I was vibing on when I
was drawing Dorcer. Joefre doesn't wear anything under his roof. Tom Jones with
the restraining order evidence, there is evidence. I hope I assume you enjoyed
this piece of this version of Gewrser as well. Oh yeah, because when
we were discussing it at the time, like this is like the inside Baseball,
like we were showing we were I was sending sketches to the various players,
like here's what Sandy's working on with the represent I remember the first couple
of concept drafts. Bob was like, I'm not he pulled back this picture
again, like this one really came after the spirit. I'm like, oh,
I know, we're just trying something a little bit a little bit different.
Don't worry about like and once you see in color in ink, and
I think once you got it, you're like again, we got the oh
my, like and I think we hit hit. We brought this same character,
different style like Jaild brought. This is more of a painting and illustration
type of style, but it brings that same kind of like, I don't
know if I trust anyone under the age of thirty around this, gentleman.
I think it's the rosy red cheeks that like that that really give this the
menace. I think this is a light splatter at the bottom. It is
the right splatter at the bottom. And that's yes. I always say,
Joe stra I always think, what if Dom de Luise was like touching your
elbow too much? That's kind of I also got to say say it just
as a fan, like the hat, the way that hat has a leather
feel to it. I like that because it's like but not good leather,
like the plether that vinyl, that fake stuff. You got a hot topic,
yeah, j what we got going on in this, folks, was
and look, this is Joseph's fault. Describe this to the audience, buddy,
Okay, So I'm drawing a blank on Joe's character. So cal I
was told that he should be hanging out with you know, in the woods,
and he of course is smoking all the time, and there's supposed to
be a sword and ooh w ou face and some other stuff. So I
just kind of I did what I thought was best. I don't know,
that's all I can say about this, but you know, I feel like
Cal's he's got a plethora of of like Woodland friends. So of course you
would have like you would hang out getting stoned with the war bunny and you
know, his his slackered turtle buddy, and you know his big fate fay
guy, and you know, and his his hoofy girlfriend. Like it's you
know, in my mind, none of these are None of these are real
other than just mind that's actually a bunch of dead villages. What I want
to give jail d is credit for in this particular image, because it's like
anybody who's tried to draw. You spend time drawing, and you wanted to
work on a central figure, and you really want to make that central figure
good. Now add six more figures and make them all unique and distinct within
a space about eight big. And that type of separation is really hard for
anybody to accomplished. That's like that's some next level ship, but you do
it so well in here. I just wanted to highlight it because again,
there's six people in this photo and each one is unique looking and distinct and
stands out in their own way, and I love it well. Thanks.
Oh and the little mushroom Guy is a that's a throwback to Calamity too,
Like we met the Mushroom King in the second comic book. I think,
oh, that's true when when Cows goes stoned out of his head Klaus Klaus
speaking of Hey, wow, that's an old one too. Yeah, see
this one. This one has a Saturday Morning cartoon five feel to it,
and I love it because something about the the background works place against it,
Like this kind of reminds me of that who was that Shittyuy from the Duncher
Dragons cartoon? Ic Eric the Cavalier from the old eighties cartoon. If Eric
the Cavalier was about ten years older and had like a cigarette smoking problem,
it looked like Peah, he's seen some shit. By this point, I've
got to say, like, when we started the cartoon, sorry, the
comic book, I think I don't want to sound like a dick when I
say this, but we started at a certain level and I was like,
this is fantastic. But every episode of issue we did, Jald just got
better and better, and it makes me sad we're just not going and just
continually writing comic book scripts because eventually Jeld would have got so good day he
would have broke comic books. But yeah, at that point exactly, we
can't we kind of afford to exponentially pay him for that. If you've been
following like issues one through well hopefully four which was is coming soon, there's
just a notable step up every time he does it. He's just adding more
fun stuff. Uh, this almost fun to Sam. I love Italaxam,
Like what a great what a great name for a character, like for a
Warforge character, And yeah, yeah, like his whole thing is like,
you know, people are meat bags and all this kind of stuff, And
I just figured he'd have gone on the ship and just did his thing like
he was, you know, very direct about the viscera on his shoulder,
like the eyeball and the blood and the vista that is like his eyes just
can pay absolute insanity. Yeah. Well, the thing is like those eyes
are more disturbing than Jorcer in a way, because Dorosier has an endearing,
more sort of forest Gump candy mister mc quality about it. This one just
says sociopath Metallica is a robot wizard who basically has a very direct approach to
problem solving. So he's like, we need to free the slaves on that
ship. Okay, well I'll blow up the ship then everyone's free. Right.
That's this is one of my favorite backgrounds too. I don't think it's
a nice one. I don't know if you've pulled anything else off my website,
but there's you know this background and one that uh JLD did for my
my rogue character Stacy. Oh yeah, the background and that was gorgeous.
Yeah. I did cheat a little bit on that background. Bob Lake,
there's there's photo. I'm done just sucking some jail, do see. I'm
not even going to Sandy on this one, Rick, What was your impression
when you finally saw Moog face Eater in the flesh as well? I think
when when when Sandy posted it, I posted as and I was like,
Moog hates this because, like you know, because part part of part of
part of him is like you know, Moog is a reincarnated orc in the
body of his like you know of his like you know his lifelong enemy and
elf. But h what I what I like about this is once again the
insanity in the eyes is this is just there, like even if you took
away the like you know, the blood stains, this this is this is
not somebody you want following you in a dark alley. Now, when Sandy
showed me this, she's like, do you think they'll like it? I'm
like, I think you're fucking hired. Like that's that's that's this. This
one set a tone and some of the other sketches. Later on we were
working on something. I went back and said, I just showed you the
Moog picture again, like this is your bar and it's it's gotta be up
here because this the red eyes, the blood stains like they like for the
fans at home, like this is a beautiful eleven man who is sadistic,
who will get there his blood on his face scary because yeah, because the
inside is not enough and it comes through through the eyes. The teeth too,
like the smile of the grin. I love those teeth, Like that's
great. They're super prominent and so they're kind of perfect in a way.
But at the same time they are a big crow good like this one front,
Like I don't know if this guy eats fingers like you would eat French
fries. That's kind of what I went with. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's also like again the black leather and the clothes, like even the
clothes are too fine for the insanity behind those eyes. And I fell in
love with this picture when she when she first showed it to me, Rick,
you want to explain this to the fans? Dame came to me it's
like, so, what's like a what's what's one of your favorite characters or
so? And really just off handedly, I was just like, oh,
you know, I'm a big Transformers fan and like I love the Dino Bots
and stuff, and then he created this and I was just like god damn.
So it's not only like yeah, but it's like it's this character pink
Slip pretty much every but he hates as well as, like, you know,
as well as the entirety of the party. It's like this is uh,
It's like if I had this poster size, it would one probably not
be on my wall because I'd be yelled at for hanging this up in my
house, but I would try. Dorcer is so adorable. You do gotta
you got like a Bad News Bears kind of ib feeling like this. Yeah,
this is what Rick uses for his DM shot, especially on the last
couple of Salty Bastards episodes, and I I love it because it's like,
you know, I'm our Optimus Prime fan, but this Grimlock version of Rick
is is really dope, and I you know, it's it's you. When
you see beautiful art, you just have to like to kind of stare at
it so big. Speaking of beautiful arts, sanity, I loved this picture
anything. Yeah, the idea behind this one is actually really really old,
because I don't know, I think it's ten years ago. I had a
different cat than I have now and I was called into Purring Pirate for some
reason and someday I just sat down. I think this one is like five
or six months old, and I just sat down. It's like I'm gonna
draw the Purring Pirate. So that's kind of how this came up. I'm
a lot less one. Yeah, yeah, it's this is I guess.
I pull some of these off of her website and they're all in our Etsy
shop as well, because it's like, I love like the ink wash behind
the figure and it like the whole composition. Like I told say, I'm
gonna grab some of your photos ahead of time, but like I just so,
I'm probably my favorites now out of these, like for example, this
version of her dragon Wow also really sells me. Yeah. Yeah, I
love the scale of it. Yeah, you know, And it's also the
little breaks outside of the like the horn breaking outside of the photo a little
bit like this. This is one hundred percent like you know, something that
if I'm walking through a fantasy convention I'm walking through like author's ali this is
this is like a this is like that sort of print that I would be
like, yeah, I'm getting I'm getting this for like you know, from
my wall. Yeah. Nice. So for those fans, they're on her
Etsy shop, Tangled, Entangled, red ats dot com at all. Yeah.
So I have this in a T shirt. She put this on a
T shirt and I have this like hanging up and I wear this all the
time. I love this one. Yeah, the Hanya mask with the like
it's got the cyberpunk theme to it, like this is fantastic. I originally
this one is printed on gold foil, so all the yellow rays here are
they're like reflective gold. So it's really the metal sheene combined with the cyberpunk.
I don't know. I remember when you were showing me this one and
we were like, that's all your art on, just like your first friendly
critic, and like we went round and around with the flowers in her hair
and like the color scheme a little bit. You just want me to repeat
that I said that you were right? Is that it? Oh? I
think this is what this entire podcast is about. Sat me. Let's be
read. Oh yeah, you just caught on. Holy shit, you finally
caught the formula. Now see this is one of Sandy's I did. She
did that. I fell in love it because I want it's a fucking adorable
But like the light use of light for this mouse work so works. This
is dope. Thanks, Like, now this is where you fill in the
vample little woman? Yeah? I mean, what can I say? I
I don't know. I I think my style in general is really a lot
to do with light. And for for example, the Singularian series, my
base was always black and then I would come in with the light. I
always worked in reverse light and dark, and this one was the opposite.
Again, like I started with the light and then started adding in the dark
so kind of you know, the way things used to be. But for
some reason, because I'd been working from dark to light for so long,
this was new for me, like I had to get use of this again.
And then I came in with the god Race and just it all kind
of just came together. Really. Yeah. I love how like you have
those warm colors and then the on the back of the mouse's head, it's
like you have those cool textures and everything. It's that's brilliant. I love
it. You can see the light shining for his thin little mouse is yeah
good. This one of Sandy's, like I actually bought from her shop,
like, like I did even get even friend prices. I just bought it
for myself because I love like the cyberpunk aspect of this owy mask, and
I've it's hanging off my wall right U up there on the silver foil.
Yeah, I think this was the first one. No, I think this
was the point where I decided, Okay, I'm going to open up an
Etsy shop and I need stuff to put in it. So yeah, I
really believe this one was the very very first print that I actually made,
you know, to be printed. Yeah, and just looking at it right
now, like I still like the image, but looking at it now,
give or take six months later, I'm like, well some stuff has changed
by now. I don't know. Well, like I keep was saying about
who when JLD was talking about the picture of gig, you know, like
you'll see things and you're like, how you fix it? How you do
it? You know, like, but as artists, you're never really satisfied.
You know. It's like I loved this one as well, that the
Werewolf, because again it was like it leaned the anime style. Well,
wolf in a cool jacket? Yeah, yeah. The Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven.
I think this was when when the new expansion just hit the stores and
I was like, I want to do something with that. So again,
like going all the way back to the start of the stream where I said,
literally anything can inspire me to do something. I saw a trailer for
the new Cyberpunk release and I was like, Okay, I need to do
something with that, so it can for your inspiration was what if Ryan Goslin
from Drive suddenly a full mode and became somehow sexierror. Okay, well there
you go. I saved a few at the end, just to bring it
back around before we close this one out. So heaven't you want to explain
yourself, no podcast, this was realized. I drew so many horses.
Clearly I'm masturbating horse smoking. Yeah, clearly that. But I don't remember
what inspired that. I don't thinkgrette between the teeth that gets it to me.
Just the's maximizing pleasure. I don't get a little long the two salt
we'll get. We'll get these through these next view and then we'll do a
little close out. So speaking of oh my yeah, yeah, classic.
Yeah, this is one of the one for Christmas episodes from the Winter collection.
I might have put these two photos in backwards this one first. You
know what? Fun fact that one actually inspired, aren't okay? Oh yes,
I'm afraid listeners you're gonna have to go into the YouTube that I can't
of explain this one. Yes. I showed this to my wife and she
was and she was like, let me paint, let me paint that I
can. I just add that I really appreciate the effort into the shading,
the shadow, like the little black dots. That's this is going on,
dude. I'm growing as an artist. This is I'm not to your level
yet, Sandy, but I'm working on it. I tried to put this
on tea public twice. They will not have it. As I said I
was, I was trying to was a sculptor. I was like, can
you sculpt this as a mug with like, you know, with the curving
dick as to handle? I would be told you by that. I'm sorry.
I don't want to drink. I know I probably would too, all
right, So stand in version one. This one was J L D's uh
uh a version of what of Steve's character? Obviously from The Salty Bastards?
Steve, how do you feel about this one? This is brilliant. This
is from the promotional artwork I think we did for issue free where you can
get a postcard. But yeah, the Chronicles of Claimy Comic book Issue free,
issue four coming soon. Please do backers so you can get cool at
work like this. Yeah, Standandy Livers his entire thing. He was Zoro
slash Robin Hood slash whatever, swashbuckling folk hero from the past. But now
he's just basically been retired for fifty years and hasn't quite got what it takes.
But the the unans confidence, the learned style. It's all in this.
It's all in this drawing the fact that he is a frail old man
but still you know, looking good. I've never noticed the poster behind him
before. Yeah, he's he's written an s rather than zorro Z in his
own wanting poster, which you know, again completely un uncovered. Guess these
styles both compliment, like, it's vastly different to compliment each other in different
ways. So this is Sandy's take on the stand character Stan Dan Deliver character
for the upcoming Dicey Bastards game. Now we're open using of different ways.
Uh, obviously, I think it still brings out that the same emotion of
a guy who's like that under confidence is definitely the eyes. Yeah. This,
this this has like the Pirates of the Caribbean vibe to it. Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of kind of like I spent a long time
picking out this outlaw or outfit, the right plumage on the hats, yeah,
you know, yeah, a dashing bandit. I actually I tried to
stay as true as I could to jail these piece here because I loved I
was I'm really in love with that piece that he made, so I was
like, Okay, well I need to do something new, but I don't
want to change it really, so I I kind of went from what you
made and try to honor what you did. Well you honored the hell out
of it. Not like like I've like had covers redone where like you know,
where I like the concept of the original and I wanted in the new
style and like, and sometimes I feel bad go into a cover artist and
saying that, but like it's like like this but in your style. But
yeah, it's sometimes it works, you know. And yeah, that's like
to go to a tattoo artist, like I want this but in your style.
It's kind of like like kind of that's the day in and day out
for anybody who tattoos. So yeah, well, I mean it's it's helped
me immensely, like drawing characters and stuff for you guys, because that's literally
my whole job for two and a half decades, you know, is sitting
down with people and trying to pull their ideas out of them. Sometimes like
it's sometimes it's not very pleasant, but once once you get there, it
all works out, you know, and everybody's happy. Good good story.
The first the first shingles cover that the jaild worked with me on Gary's Children.
I just loved us going back and forth of like how do we do
this and not be arrested? Yeah? For those who have not read that
short story, you should, man, that was one of my you know
what, Uh, I highly recommend it. Okay, So this last piece,
I say for Bob uh, this is one of my favorites, one
of my Steve's favorites as well. He made sure he could he foot stomped
this one. So I do remember this one. The horse. Yes,
Now I think we found Drew's character's girlfriend. In the next campaign. I
think we need a new art for that returning MPC. Yeah, I be
I guys, I have no idea why or how the circumstances arranged that you
drew this alluring horse, but I'm glad you. I mean whatever. Now
you can call something alluring, but I do it. I'm a weirdo.
Fuck you. Look look at that expression, Gibbie. That's an alluring course
of the night again YouTube. I'm not even going to try to describe it
to our audio listeners. You're going to have to go to the video.
That's a hook horse and she knows, she's she's all about it. So
whatever episode that was in, like, I'll just you know, my character's
not doing much. So I get this idea in my head and I have
to just draw during the episode, during the recording, and I want to
make sure I get it, get it put up before before the episode ends,
so that Yeah, it's it's really satisfying when everybody just stops talking for
a second or just shout, oh my God in the middle of an episode
for seemingly no reason. Are you going to do that to me during the
Dicey Bastards game when we start playing. Depends on how involved I am in
the game fair enough, how much he checks out for a while suspicious.
Yeah, well I think we've reached that time. I want to thank Sandy
Butcher's J L. D. Robert Bevan, and Steve and Rick for joining
us all for this art of authors and dragons. Uh side quest. Does
anybody have any final thoughts I'd like to pass on any like the plug their
websites where you can follow you guys, follow your art, buy your art.
Yes, I'll go. So Calamity four is coming. If you've seen
the uh you know the previous comics. Uh. Yeah, it's breathing hard.
It's almost there. I've taken a lot of the monster elements and I've
dialed it up to eleven. It's it's fucking bonkers what I've what I've done,
if I don't mind saying to myself. Uh. And also check out
Caverns and Creatures dot com because I put new art there every month and it's
stuff really really of j ld art on Caverns Creatures dot com. Speaking of,
I love your new covers for the Critical Failures books. By the way,
for both of you guys, I really like what you're doing with that
that that. I love the old covers. There were classics, but these
these new versions the same but different. Adding adding your style to the books
really really works for me. I look forward to buying actual physical copies of
those because I have everything on audio. But but now I'm going to buy
some actual physical copies. It's all still fan art for me, you know.
Still I still listen to those books like He's the Okay, I love
bet Sandy. Where can they find Where can they find? Your ship?
My ship is uh is openly available on Sandy Butchers dot com or if you
are looking for you know, if you don't want to chase that stuff but
you wanted to come to you, you can always subscribe to my Patreon,
which is patreon dot com, slash Sandy Butchers and commissions Sandy Butchers dot com.
It's all there. Yes, I am open, I'm for commissions.
Yeah, I'm currently scheduling for mid April ish, so sure, yeah,
I'm I'm always happy to take on new projects. Yeah, Sandy's all organized
professional. Yeah, I'm jealous of that. Well, then, Rix,
do you anything you guys want to add of the here? Oh no,
I want to reiterate. I'm excited about Chronicles of clam Me for and I
wrote it. I'm still looking forward to it. So yeah, everybody should
have their Chronicles of claim Me free by now and be eternally grateful for that
because it's a great little book. But four kind of rounds off a highlight
point in the podcast and kind of ends on a on a low note that
you'll be familiar with if you're a longtime fan of the show. And yeah,
I think it's been captured beautifully, so I'm really looking forward to it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it too. I mean, all three
episodes have just been like mind blowing so far, so far, But at
the same time, you know, looking ahead, I love the love the
artwork that Sandy's done for Dicey Bastard, so all all I can say is,
you know, I'm jealous of their talent and like you know, honestly,
I wish my bank account was highed so I could, like you,
get some get some commissions done, because I have all these ideas for promotion
shit that I want to do for my books, and oddly enough not the
funds for it. Bob anything to plug, No, I mean, Jay,
I'll do pretty much did caverns and creatures dot com fantastic? Well all
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