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Welcome to the one hundred and fifty
fourth episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast,

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So Damn Paranormal. My name is
Jason Knight, host of the show,

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and with me as always is Oscar
Spector. Right. I think that's

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what it was. I think producer
extraordinaire and podcast co host. Six months,

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dude, it's been six months since
we've been on these mics, going

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on seven. You know, that's
like I don't know how many thousands of

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mayflies lifetimes, you know, you
know they die in less than twenty four

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hours. Mayfair Witches, Mayfair Witches. That was a series we were watching

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and I liked. Oh okay,
Before we jumped down the mic, we

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spent like an hour and a half
talking about some three hours ago movies and

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series we've been watching since because I
haven't seen you since December. Oh yeah,

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it's been that long. Yeah,
so you catch a Mayfair witch?

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As you say, may flies,
Mayfair Yeah, yeah, crazy, six

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months. A lot has been going
on. This is going to be kind

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of an update episode on an election
year of folks. Yes it is get

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out and vote. I'm not talking
politics, but this is going to be

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a catch up episode on the Long
Island Serial Killer. I thought that was

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more of a cats up episode.
What was the joke from what pulp fiction?

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And that's like roughly of that joke. It's like baby Tomato milet they

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made a baby by Tomato walking on
the street and gave baby tomato slap.

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Yeah, that's what she said.
It's like lagging behind and the father goes

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switches it and says, catch up. That's what it was. That's something

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dumb. It's so much better when
Uma says it. Well it's Uma,

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mm hmm. Yeah. UMA's kind
of out now. It's her daughter Maya.

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Yeah, she's kind of the she's
kind of been there on Apple Baby.

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A lot of them popping up in
these days. Yeah, there is

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a lot. But we're already getting
off track here, Yeah we are.

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So how have you been man?
Six months? So I've been in a

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deep dark hole. So you know
how people are do crazy things in the

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world, like these little individual personal
achievements in the world that are sometimes they're

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consequential, sometimes they make the headlines. Most times they're just famous maybe to

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their neighbors. Right, I'm trying
to dig a hole from the United States

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to China for the last six months. How about five percent of the way

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there. Yeah, that's what I've
been doing. Better than what I've been

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doing. I have no idea where
I was going with that, and I

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didn't. I was, what the
fuck are you talking about? I don't

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know what, don't I know?
I'm making it up. I've done nothing.

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It's six months do nothing? Yeah, pretty much kind of the same

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thing. I make legos, I
watch movies, I play games, I

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quit and start new jobs. Let's
see what I do. That's really so

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inconsequential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anything we do in the big picture

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is very inconstantub that's true. We
just got back from New Orleans, like

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literally four days ago. Back from
New Orleans. You were like you while

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your vacation, You're like, hey, when I get back, do you

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want to record and my new phone? Who is not into that? I

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said? Yeah? Sure? Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean six

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months a lot has been going on
with this case. That's just Long Island

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serial colored case spoiler. If you
read the title of this episode, you

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know what it's about. That's right, that's right. A few people wrote

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us and said, hey, you
got to do an update episode. You

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know they were right. People still
remember our account and our existence. That's

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crazy there, super fans. Believe
it or not, this time we actually

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mean we got stuff in the in
the bank. We're gonna have some releases

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coming. I think we said that
last time. That's what I'm saying,

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because this time we mean it.
We actually have stuff. I had it

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back then, I can written,
ready to go. We'll record it and

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get it out. Anyone who's stuck
around with us this long, with these

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gaps that we've been taking, man, we really appreciate it. That's some

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loyalty. Now go tell all your
friends, right especially if you want to

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wait a little bit until we have
a few more in the bank so you

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can come back and tell your friends, like what they have these latest ones

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right here. You don't have to
you know, you don't have to do

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the waiting. It's done. He's
next for you. Are out. It's

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like those those Netflix series that just
release everything at once, as opposed to

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waiting. You know, The Bear, the new season got dropped today.

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Yes, in an entirety, is
it really? Oh yeah, I almost.

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I started planning my day today around
the Bear, around to watch all

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of the Bear at least half maybe
half now half or three Season three.

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Yeah, and and then I realized, like, oh, I have to

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record today. Damn jay fuck the
one. So the Bear for those who

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don't know it's based, is it
Al's beef. I think it's It's like

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Als beef. It's got to be
l It's a famous Chicago beef stand.

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You know. Els is one of
the the ones who are in always fighting

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who came up to Chicago beef first, and Als is one of those that

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are always up there in the top
saying, no, we were the ones

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that invented the Italian beef blah blah
blah. I don't know if it's saying

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it's about the invented of no,
but Al's the restaurants. It's like a

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type Yeah, who brought the Italian
beef to Chicago? But yeah, that's

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what it's about. It's about a
beef stand, well in Chicago. It's

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loosely about a bestand's about the guy's
passionate inspiration leading to the creation of something

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where by all Rice, based on
his history with his family, maybe surprised

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that he can do it at all. Honestly, Yeah, yeah, but

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he's like this calling this culinary whiz
steps down from these very prestigious roles to

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run this beef stand, which I
think is whose brother based off committed suicide

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and inherited to him. By the
way, that's how it was fast start

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spoiler alert, I'm not sure episode
so anyway, go check out the bear.

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But yeah, yeah, otherwise,
Yeah, I just got back from

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the Orleans. Family's doing great.
My daughter just turned sixteen years old.

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To listeners who've been with us for
since, we can hear the gray hair

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from here. Remember my daughter years
ago on this show in her little squeaky

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voice talking. I should look up
those episodes. Now. I just got

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her car for her sixteenth birthday.
So she's out there driving and it's insane.

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Before people ask tell him what they'm
making. Model obviously not not to

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play. It was a Kia twenty
eighteen Kia Optima. Beautiful car shop.

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I respect the bullpick. Beautiful car, fully loaded and we're talking sun roof

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level seats. I don't give a
shit about leather seats, but all the

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technology and the safety features and this
beautiful blue color and super low minded five

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thousand miles. Man, we got
a got a good one for her.

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So yeah, it's crazy, it's
crazy. My son turned eleven. He's

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he's still great, you know.
Yeah, my nephew is almost eleven too.

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Oh right, Leo. So another
time goes, time goes, and

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time leavesy behind. It really does, and you just don't realize it until

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these milestone things happened where ship she's
got her license. Now she's out there.

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Hey, I'm gonna go to the
store. I'm gonna go pick up

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some and taxis Dad, you're back. You know, it's just you're like,

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wow. But you know, the
first night when she got her license,

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she went out the very first time, and I just stood outside and

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just watched her back out. She
waved, of course, I'm super emotional.

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And there she goes down the streets
at nighttime, so you see her

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break lights and just something in that
one instant changed. You're not so much

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needed any longer. They're more independent. But ten minutes later she sent me

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in Katie a text saying I'm terrified
without you guys, and that just you

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don't want them to be right in
that moment, Yeah, yeah, that

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you've you know that you were there
for her, that you always protected her,

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and now that you're not there,
she realizes and recognizes, holy shit,

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mom and dad aren't here. This
is this is very scary. Yeah,

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but uh yeah, so that that
happened. That's crazy. That happened.

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We bought her boyfriend, brought her
boyfriend in New Orleans with us.

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You bought a boyfriend for your daughter? No, that would be prostitution.

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I guess she got a boyfriend and
they've been together over a year I think

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now, and took them to New
Orleans with us, which was challenging to

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accept at first, but I finally
did it and it was great. I'll

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say that's my parents will never be
that cool. Yeah. Yeah, uh

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and it all worked out fantastic.
He's a great kid, No, he

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is. He's pretty cool. So
that's kind of what's been going on with

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me. Job situation sucks, although
don't tell him I said that, right,

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yeah, never let them again.
Jesus Christ. You're saying, no,

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just job situation sucks. Not even
to talk about that hard hard card

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ditto. I made new Legos,
that's really all you said. S At

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the end, Lego people would would
kill you. Why because you're not supposed

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to. It's not Legos. It's
like the Ukraine and Ukraine they can find

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me. I'm just saying I made
you legos. That's Ukraine and the Ukraine

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that you're right, that's what I
know. The Ukraine symbolizes Russian Russian owners

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connection. Yeah, Ukraine is independent. Uh, very good. That's why

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I said, a lot of people
realize it. Thank you. When I

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watch movies or maybe legos are not
a big deal, is my point again

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in the grand scheme of things,
right, compared to Ukraine. But I

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always went up watching movies or even
the news and they say Ukraine, I'm

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like, you do that. If
you do that thing from that movie,

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that's great. So anyway, Yeah, other than that, been writing,

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man, Like I said, I've
got some episodes in the bank. Excited

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about that? How about you?
What's the return on that? What's the

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what's the like interest rate on that
bank? Not enough? Not enough?

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Huh. I also have to I
have two shows ready, ready to go.

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It's whenever, you know. And
I'm in the middle of two other

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ideas I started, or two other
ones that I've half written already. So

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yeah, that's what I'm good with
ideas. I'm not gonna call it right.

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Well, listeners, keep a listening
and tell your friends you know who

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I love Gypsy Rose. What I
know that Gypsy Rose Blanchard, the Munchausen.

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Yes, oh, I mean you
love I love it. I love

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everything about it. So you saw
that show? Every one of them?

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I want you to do documentary and
uh oh did you see Wait? Which

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is a new one. It's a
they I don't I don't, I forgot

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the title. Okay, but it's
you know, her Life after Prison,

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right, There's been a few of
those already. This is the newest one.

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I think it's lifetime. Why are
you obsessed with it? I don't

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know what it is. I saw
one of those shows, the Hulu one,

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and I thought it was crazy cool. I mean, that's fucked up

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that happened. I mean I stopped. I mean I didn't care anymore.

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Yeah, me and Katie watch it
religiously. I think Katie doesn't like her.

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I'm just I love it. I
think anyone raised like that probably cannot

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be liked in real life, and
I feel sorry for that person. But

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that's all I can really say.
Oh about Gypsy, Yeah, it's hard

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to be raised like that and be
likable. I like it, you know,

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I would be a good person,
even I mean not saying she is

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there isn't. I believe what you
want, but it's hard to get everything

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right, is my point? Right? Yeah, but she had a ask

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me anything am I wasn't on ready, it was on Instagram. I was

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gonna be answering him on YouTube.
So I sent her a message, do

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you want to be a guest on
the show? Cool? But yeah,

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So that's that's up I'm into right
now. I mean, how how are

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we going to spin that to to
fit our t our podcast? Don't know?

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Okay, I just did it.
I was not working on that in

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case she says yes, start working
on the skeleton key to provide an all

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answer you know, factoid here?
Yeah? Okay, So but that's about

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it. Man. Do I have
to be at that interview? Like?

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Can I? Can? I skip
it? No? You would have to

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be there, damn it. All
right, I'll do it. I'll be

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like I saw you being played by
that one actor. That's what I'll say.

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Oh, yes, it's the movie. I can't remember the actresses name,

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but I mean either, yeah,
I'm all wrapped up into that.

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See. That's the things you do
when you get you know, my age,

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Stuff like that excites you. Well, it's the satooth folks, is

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that the real reason we keep having
these long times of radio silence with you

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all has nothing to do with our
lives necessarily, or things being hectic,

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the world being on fire and acrimonious
and opinions. It's the fact that Jay's

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getting too old and he's forgetful,
and we must understand no, no,

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no, no, he's just old
and forgetful. His brain is shriveled and

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gray now, and it has gray
hairs on the inside, and we must,

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we must be especially attuned to that. He must understand that man must

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be understandable because he's he's just too
old. So when he remembers that there

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is a show called the SoRs Chicago, that's literally, that's what it's called.

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Whatever the fuck is called the Supernatural
Crowd and studies, whatever the fuck

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Chicao ghosts, chic ghosts. When
he remembers that this show exists, and

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he remembers he knows a guy named
Oscar, he then he'll let me know.

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I'm like, oh man, I'm
got to do a show and it

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doesn't do it next week, I'm
like, yeah, like six months ago.

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Show. I'll let you know on
the day you have something you really

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want to do right right right,
like watch the bear. That's that's right.

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Oh man, that's good. Going
on a cruise next month in July,

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take the family on a cruise.
That's exciting. I'm trying to think.

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I still that's still a bucket list
for me. Oh yeah, yeah,

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yeah, going on one. Yeah, maybe breaking into one of maybe

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maybe maybe that she has up two
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last August, and we're gonna go
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one that appeals to me the most
is like the Alaska one. One day,

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one day, I'll do it,
not me, for me, maybe

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not until I'm like eighty, but
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is already in your bones, might
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By that time, my heart would
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bitter and cold. You can't even
you can't even take it off your

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line, like too much work,
exactly. I just point with a gnarled,

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knuckled finger. Right, that's great. Should we take a break,

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Yeah, we should probably segue into
a break so we can then get started

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with this uh recap show. Some
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Island serial killer. It's almost like
a previously unreal world. Yeah no,

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no, young listener knows what the
hell that just I meant the real world.

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I just thought of that. I
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No, I know, there's an
NTV show call real That's not what I

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meant. But that's funny, and
I'm gonna tell you right now, I

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ask her before we get into it. Our boy Rex hereman, it's looking

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more and more like like a piece
of shed fucked. Yeah, and he

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is so fucked. Also about the
articles, Yeah, yeah, all right,

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So let's take a break. Starting
now, listeners, welcome back to

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the show. Well haven't said this
in a while, but the lights are

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turned down low, the ceremonial candle
is lit, that is fam and the

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drinks are flowing and they are eagle
rare. Let's start this update show.

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So, as I mentioned before we
went to break, you know, it's

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been six months the last time we
talked about this case. A lot has

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happened, but just quickly for people
who don't remember because it's been so long.

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Back in November and December of twenty
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published two episodes focused on the long
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first episode, we introduced the listeners
to twenty of the Long Island serial Killer's

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victims. That's eighteen women, mostly
sex workers, who all shared eerally similar

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characteristics. And you're talking about physical
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And then there were two what we
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the normal mo of the Long Island
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that we betwink the twink exactly,
and that's not to be derogatory. That's

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what he was. That's what he
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was Asian twink. So there was
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the kid, the toddler who wound
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is that they were buried amongst these
others, right, they were all buried

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by Ocean Parkway and Giggle Beach.
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parts of their bodies were buried off, as we just said, Ocean Parkway

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near Giggle Beach on Long Island,
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parts were also found in Manorville,
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And Atlantic City, New Jersey.
That was our first episode. Now,

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in our second Long Island serial Killer
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suspects and man and some of them
were juicy, like that guy, yes,

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and we're going to talk about him
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you know, was the Long Island
serial killer an undetected predator? Were there

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multiple predators working together? Was it
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a rich businessman, or multiple known
serial killers. We just couldn't say for

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sure. So many very interesting people
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end of the day, there was
an actual suspect, someone apprehended and jailed

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who authorities believe could be the actual
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old architect from Massapequa Park on Long
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named Heuerman. Now, listeners,
if you're unfamiliar with all of this,

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with the Long Island serial killer case, or with Rex or the victims,

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or how Rex was caught or what
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or arrest them, you got to
go back to our episodes one fifty two

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and one fifty three, or why
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name them that way and catch up
because this is this is an update

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episode just to let you guys know, guys know what's been going on since

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Heureman's arrest. And also just so
you know, check the show notes.

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I left some photos for you guys
that coincide with some people are gonna be

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talking about today. Okay, Now, the task force that ultimately arrested Rex

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Hureman in July of twenty twenty three, so just about a year ago.

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They've been hard at work ever since
building their case. Now there's a lot

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of updates to cover since we last
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you, like I said, it's
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Rex, the ogre as he has
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killer. He's a big fucker.
He really had a big, ugly son

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of a bitch. It's still unknown, or more like, it's not being

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talked about as to whether or NOTx, whether or not Rex worked alone or

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had accomplices. All we know right
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mount against Rex, essentially pointing a
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him as being the Long Island serial
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re reported Rex was in jail,
he was denied bail, and he was

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charged with murdering three of the Gilgo
four women. To recap He got first

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degree murder for the deaths of Melissa
Bartholemy on or around July tenth, two

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thousand and nine, Megan Waterman on
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and Amber Costello on or around September
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also charged with murder in the second
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and Costello. Now, at that
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killing Marine Brainerd Barnes, the fourth
Gilgo victim, but we said in our

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shows that Rex was the prime suspect
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charged soon because there was quote substantial
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including the m o fitting that of
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charged. Now, Marine, in
case you don't know, Marine Brainard Barnes

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is believed to be the Long Island
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only twenty five years old when she
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two thousand and seven. Her body
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at Gilgo Beach on December eleventh,
twenty ten. She had been bound by

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three belts and one of those belts
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Remember who it could be Rex's grandfather, And the tattoo Maureene had on

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her right arm of her daughter's name, Nicolette had been horribly mutilated by a

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sharp object in a crude attempt to
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is going to be important that trying
to scrub off that tattoo. This is

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going to become important here in a
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Just to catch you up. Now, when the Suffolk County Crime Lab examined

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Marine's body, they found a Caucasian
female hair in the belt buckle of one

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of those belts that bound her,
and it wasn't Marine's hair. We now

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know that after rigorous DNA testing of
that hair, when compared to DNA samples

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taken from bottles found in the trash
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the DNA profile generated from the female
hair found on Marine is seven point nine

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trillion times more likely to have come
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Rex Huerman's wife than anyone else in
North America. So the hair found on

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Marine Brainer Barnes belonged to Rex's wife
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Costello, in the last episodes,
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body that also weren't hers. Now, if you remember amber she was the

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twenty seven year old sex worker from
West Babylon, Long Island that disappeared from

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her home on September second, twenty
ten. She's the one that ran that

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scam with her roommate where they basically
robbed the men that turned up to ambers

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home. Yeah, Dave Shaller was
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her. Now turns out the hairs
found on Costello matched with four point six

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five four times ten to the sixty
third power, and I really don't even

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think there's a name for that big
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Victoria Hureman, Rex's twenty seven year
old daughter. What now? In what

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seems like something straight out of a
movie. On May twenty, twenty twenty

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three, undercover agents from the Long
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Rex's daughter, throw away a monster
Java energy drink can as she was

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riding a Long Island Railroad train from
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Massapeekle Park. The agents grabbed that
can from the trash, and that's how

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they were able to get Victoria's DNA
and link it to the hair found on

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Amber Costello. Now, if you
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thing with Rex, right, agents
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I remember that. Yeah, Rex
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of his Manhattan office. Now,
we covered this in the last episode,

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but two female hairs and a male
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Megan Waterman, and those three hairs
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again with just astronomical accuracy, So
we could finally say that Rex Huerman

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now stands accused of murdering all four
of the Gilgo four women and there's DNA

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evidence to prove it. Yep.
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Yeah. Oh just wait, in
a good way, in a good

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way exactly. And this isn't where
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So with these hairs turning up on
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Victoria the daughter, it's starting to
look like the victims were inside,

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maybe even killed, in Rex Heureerman's
Massapekle Park home, and that's how his

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wife and daughter's hair was transferred onto
the victims, like they were on the

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floor maybe and that's how it got
on her or whatever. Yep, not

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necessarily. It means that they were
watching or they participated in It's a matter

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of fact. It's being proven through
credit card statements and verified travel history of

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Asa and Victoria were out of town
each and every time one of the gilg

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for went missing, leaving Rex all
alone to do whatever he wants inside the

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home. Well, that makes a
lot more sense because he would want privacy

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to do it without the fear of
being quits to let me wait for them

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to leave. Yes, funny enough, unrelated, be little related. My

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family and my parents and I think
someone else going to Mexico tomorrow and the

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house will be all alone. I'm
gonna raid that fridge, you know what

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I'm saying. I wait for this
time, I wait for the summer.

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I'm gonna raid that fridge. I
don't have to buy grocerites this week.

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It's great, that's essentially what he
was doing here. But with human life,

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they're suspecting right right now, they're
as far as killing and bringing killing

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these women into the home. There's
a few more points I'd like to talk

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about that solidify this theory that he
killed in his home, but I'll get

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to those shortly. So just put
a pin in that right now. This

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is huge, and this came out
very recently. Rex is now being charged

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with two more murders, really bringing
the total to six, and I personally

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think unfortunately it's six victims in counting. Now. One of the latest victims

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attributed to Rex is someone we talked
about in our Long Island Serial Killer Victims

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episode, a woman named jess Kataylor. Do you remember that name. I

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remember the name, I don't remember
those specifics. Okay, Well, Rex

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is being accused of killing Jessica sometime
between July twenty first and twenty sixth,

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two thousand and three. Now,
if you remember Jess Kataylor, she was

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the twenty year old sex worker from
Washington, d C. Who conducted her

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business in Midtown Manhattan, conveniently were
Rex office was. Mind you and she

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disappeared from New York on July twenty
first, two thousand and three, and

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sadly, on July twenty six,
two thousand and three, her naked torso

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was found partially decomposed and resting on
top of a surgical drape in the pine

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barrens of Manerville, New York.
She had been decapitated and her arms were

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severed below the elbows. She had
a tattoo that read Remy's Angel, and

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it too was horrifically gouged up with
a sharp instrument, just like Marine Brainerd

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Barnes tattoo. It was also discovered
this is recently it came out that her

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nipples displayed irregular disruption. God knows
what that means as far as it went,

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Yeah, weird way now. Jessica's
head, forearms, and hands were

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missing for eight years until they were
found in April twenty eleven Barry, just

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east of Gilgole Beach, less than
a mile from where the Gilg four remains

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were found. Now it's since been
proven that rex Huerman was in fact present

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in midtown Manhattan on July twenty first, two thousand and three, the very

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same date Jessica Taylor disappeared interesting but
circumstantial? How about this? After Jessica's

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body was found in Manorville, police
started canvassing the area looking for clues.

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As a result, they found a
witness who had on July twenty fifth,

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two thousand and three, at approximately
ten thirty pm, they observed a dark

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colored Chevy pickup truck backed into the
same area where Jessica's body would be found

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just a day later, and the
witness's vehicle description masked. The description match

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the description of Rex's dark green Chevy
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Rex would have been in possession of
the avalanche at the time of Jessica's murder

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and at the time of the witness's
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March two thousand and two, so
kind of like a year before. Okay,

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there's more, because this is still
kind of circumstantial stuff well, and

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I witness is not circumstantial, but
also like it's hard to connect them.

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Could be anyone else track, I
guess. A forensic analysis of Rex's digital

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devices also revealed that on or about
July twenty eight, two thousand and three,

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Rex accessed a Newsday article called cops
seek help in iding Manorville body regarding

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the discover looking up and see where
they're at with but they know talking about

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the discovery of her remains. It
was discovered that then Rex then deleted that

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search from his browsing history. Then, on or about July twenty nine,

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two thousand and three, Rex did
an Internet search for a new Chevy avalanche,

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even though his avalanche was just over
a year old. It was discovered

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that Rex tried to do that search
from his history too. Keep in mind

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this internet activity occurred just days after
Jessica's torso was discovered, and just days

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after witnesses observed a vehicle matching the
description of Rex is leaving that scene where

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the body or torso was found.
All still interesting, still circumstantial, but

405
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:25.240
it does re enforce I remember in
the second episode, basically the last episode

406
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:33.000
where we talked about the suspects.
It doesn't enforce his Rex Huremann's stupidity with

407
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.200
technology very much. So, you
know, because you talked about the phone

408
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:38.519
and he just doesn't get it.
And I love how he thought he was

409
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.400
so slick, right and like this
reinforces that, Yeah, dumb ass,

410
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:49.799
dumb ass. Now during examination.
Let's see the nail in the coffin linking

411
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:56.920
Rex to Jessica Taylor was once again
hair. During examination, a male headhair

412
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.519
was found on the surgical drape on
which Jessica's or so was found, and

413
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:07.480
DNA analysis excluded ninety nine point ninety
six of the American population from being the

414
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.920
owner of that hair, but Rex
human could not be excluded. In other

415
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.680
words, his hair is one point
eight three seven times ten to the six

416
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.559
hundred and third power. I love
those numbers. That's what I have to

417
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.279
do, times more likely to have
come from a person genetically identical to Rex

418
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:30.599
Hureman than from an unrelated individual.
It's Rex's fucking hair, right. And

419
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.160
finally, just like the GILG for
women with Jessica Taylor when she went missing,

420
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:42.519
conveniently, Rex's family was verifiably on
vacation in Vermont, and Rex did

421
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.279
not join them again. He's got
all this time that he needs to execute

422
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:51.160
his fucked up plan on Jessica,
abductor bring her back to his house,

423
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.359
kill her, dismember her, wrap
her up in the surgical drape, transport

424
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.799
her to Manerville, and his family
family is none the wiser. I wonder

425
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.880
what comes first, his victim that
he picks or his need like or like

426
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.640
to like, how does that vacation
work? Does he wait for your wife

427
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.240
too? Or does he suggest it? What you want me? You know,

428
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.200
victim, he's like, you want
to go to Vermont this weekend?

429
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.359
Right? Or like, hey,
I want to go to Vermont next week?

430
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.559
Great? I can look up people. Now that's a great I wonder

431
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:24.000
what comes first? Good question?
Right, we don't know yet, obviously

432
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.519
not yet, We don't maybe ever, but but I can just see the

433
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.599
honey we just left the week ago. Yeah, it's time I have a

434
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.799
warn off of my arrest and Vermont
with that speeding ticket on it, you

435
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.960
go, I'll stake so fucked up
man, very methodical. Yeah, now,

436
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.079
so that's five. Now. The
sixth person Rex is now charged with

437
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.079
murdering is another sex worker, of
course, right, and she's someone we

438
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.240
didn't discuss in our previous episodes.
What she kind of came out of nowhere

439
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.839
for a lot of people, myself
included. Her name is Sandra Costilla,

440
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.160
a twenty eight year old native of
Trinidad and Tobago living in Queens, New

441
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:07.200
York. Now, Sondra's body was
discovered by some hunters in a wooded area

442
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:13.760
of Southampton in Suffolk County, Long
Island in November nineteen ninety three, ninety

443
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.119
three, which means, if in
fact Rex did kill Sandra, which he

444
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.599
likely did, as you'll see here
in a second, that means he's been

445
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:30.480
brutally murdering women undetected for over three
fucking decades. Huh now at the can

446
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.079
of worms, it's so yeah now. When Sondra was found, she was

447
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.320
found lying on her back with her
arms outstretched over her head and her uncovered

448
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:44.880
legs were spread apart. Her shirt
had been pulled up over her torso and

449
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.760
head, exposing her breasts, and
she had numerous sharp force injuries to her

450
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:54.119
face, torso, breasts, left, thigh, and vaginal area. This

451
00:34:54.280 --> 00:35:00.199
was a nasty kill, yeah now. Originally, investigators suspected the series real

452
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.679
killer John Bitchrof in Sandra Cristilla's death, but he was never charged and DNA

453
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.840
eventually cleared Bitchrof of Sondra's murder and
listeners. If you want to know more

454
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.239
about the serial killer John Bitchroff,
check out our second Long Island serial Killer

455
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.840
episode where we talked about all the
suspects. Now, since Bitchroff was never

456
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:27.039
charged, that means Sondra Caristilla's murder
went unsolved for over thirty years until now

457
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.280
turns out again, three hairs were
found on Sondra's remains. A female hair

458
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.679
was found on her right arm,
and a female and male hair were found

459
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.440
on like a shirt or like an
undershirt that she had been wearing. Turns

460
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.519
out, the male hair through DNA
testing excludes ninety nine point ninety six in

461
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.880
the North American population, including John
Bitchrof, but does not exclude Rex Hireman

462
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.199
once again, his fucking Heroman.
How old would he have been in night

463
00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:01.960
three? I'm just curious? Sixty? Yeah, So do the mental math.

464
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.559
I can't do it after this whiskey. Yeah, probably early thirties month

465
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.320
good time for serial killers, that's
I mean, that's prime age for serial

466
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.719
killers. Yeah, yeah, it
is. I was just thinking that.

467
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.519
That's why I asked them. Now
so we know that one of those hairs

468
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:23.559
belonged to Rex Yorman. Now,
the female hair found on Sondra Cristia is

469
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:28.800
interesting. It's not ASA's the wife, and it's not the daughter of Victoria's

470
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.679
hair, but she wasn't born yet
right, the hair actually belongs to a

471
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.840
woman that lived with Rex and his
mother in the mess Peokle Park home between

472
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.559
nineteen ninety one, No, between
nineteen ninety one and September nineteen ninety three,

473
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:47.000
sometime in ninety one. She left
in September ninety three. Now right

474
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.480
now, police are the only ones
that know this woman's identity, and they

475
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.719
are in contact with her, and
she voluntarily submitted a DNA sample. Like

476
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.679
I said, it's a match to
the hair found on Sandra's shirt, providing

477
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:06.000
further support that Rex Hureman mutilated,
murdered, and transported the body of Sandra

478
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:13.840
Christia to Southampton. Well, hold
on, does anybody question how if the

479
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.719
body was found the way it was
found in the forest, right? Not

480
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:22.159
mistaken? Yes, it seemed like
what it seems to me that she got

481
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.719
killed there, not placed there.
Placing the body there, I mean,

482
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.679
getting me wrong. Maybe he's trying
to humiliate them, and you place them

483
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.480
in such a dick, in such
a lud way that it could be.

484
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.519
But it seems to me that maybe
it's a bit of bald. It seems

485
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:39.079
like her end or her her life
ended in the forest, not necessarily at

486
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.960
his house. It could be right, but give me a second. It's

487
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.079
important to note that, for reasons
unknown, this unidentified woman moved out of

488
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:54.400
Rex's home in September ninety three,
just two months prior to Sandra's murder in

489
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.960
November, and by that time Rex's
mother had also been gone. She was

490
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:01.800
also moved out of the house.
So, just like with the other five

491
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.760
women he's accused of, at the
time of Sandra's murder, he was home

492
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.960
alone with unfettered time to execute his
plan to do whatever the fuck kind of

493
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.360
sick shit he wanted to Sandra Caristilla
without getting caught by his family. Okay,

494
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:20.239
that's good to know. So it
fits them of family being gone,

495
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.639
house is empty, investigators, I
guess figure it stands to I guess I'm

496
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.519
a little surprised. I mean,
I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm surprised

497
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.239
that his mo for the most part, was so established from way back then.

498
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.400
You know, because we see it
like clockwork with his family in New

499
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:45.239
York, or when he's working as
an architect in Midtown downtown whatever, that

500
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.199
it was still it was still a
thing in ninety three, you know.

501
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.119
I mean, that's that he like
waited for the opportunity and then used that

502
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.840
opportunity every time after that to always
kill it when the house is empty.

503
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.880
I don't know. It must be
an emotional connection with that house. Then,

504
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.000
well, it's his childhood home we
talked about. We talked about that,

505
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.000
Yeah, we did. And this
is where he grew up. This

506
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:13.599
is his layer, the belt.
The belt belonged to his grandfather. He

507
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.800
never changed anything, and there was
basically like a hoarder's thing, right,

508
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.719
we talked about that. I remember
that. I wonder if it's a saying

509
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:22.599
it. I wonder if it's deeper
than that. Maybe, you know,

510
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:28.199
we talked about Also, they're all, you know, sex workers, prostitute,

511
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.920
so we talked about the difference between
our call and in call and how

512
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.840
you can pick your service depending on
your needs. Right, and maybe they

513
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.320
were all in call or he picked
them up and brought them back. That

514
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.960
could be a thing too. Yeah, you're right, it could be the

515
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.760
call. It seems to be like
because his focus on his house when it's

516
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.360
empty seems to be like an in
call situation. I wonder if that's like

517
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.480
a thing. We're part of it
too, how much how much of it

518
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:58.920
is based on his Like, what
emotionality he's attributing to the house that leads

519
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.960
him to kill there? I wonder
what that is. I don't know,

520
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.239
safety comfort, I can't be caught
here, I control it. Maybe,

521
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.360
yeah, you're right, but I
mean this with this murder of Sandra Cristilla,

522
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:15.880
all investigators are saying right now is
that he had that time to kill,

523
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.800
rape, murder, kills whatever,
didn't dismember this one and then transport.

524
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.559
There's something there that leads them to
believe that he transported them. And

525
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:28.800
maybe we just don't know what that
is yet, right, crazy? So

526
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:34.000
six total of six and I believe
counting, and we have more developments.

527
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:38.880
Remember all those searches we talked about
being done on Rex's house and his storage

528
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.639
units. Yes, for example,
he had that storage unit in Amityville,

529
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:50.320
which is very close to the Amityville
Last we talked about some of the things

530
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.920
police found. But since then,
we now know that cops seized over three

531
00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:02.760
hundred and fifty electronic devices computers,
laptops, hard drives, USB drives,

532
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:09.000
shit like that, and oh man, the treasure trove of evidence being pulled

533
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:15.480
from some of those devices just unbelievable. Now, Obviously it's going to take

534
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.239
fuck, it could take years for
them to go through each and every device.

535
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.559
Just describe it analyzed. You have
to do that. They'll do it.

536
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:27.360
They have to. They're gonna do
just they do. But what they've

537
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:32.280
found and are talking about so far
is huge. First of all, investigators

538
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:39.000
were able to find a significant collection
of Rex's violent bondage and torture pornography dating

539
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:45.119
back to ninety four. We're talking
about things like breast mutilation, the sexualization

540
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:52.480
of decapitated women, vaginal torture,
bondage, whipping, sex, substitution.

541
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.079
I had to look it up.
That's the penetration with an object. So

542
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.960
we could again confirm that Rex got
off on some sick and twisted, vile

543
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.840
shit. Remember the disgusting Google searches
we talked about last time, how it

544
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:12.280
involved kitty porn and shit. Investigators
also found a hard drive in Rex's basement

545
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:20.639
that contained a word document titled HK
two thousand and two DAH four. We

546
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.559
don't know what HK stands for,
but they're assuming it spans two years,

547
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:29.400
two thousand and two to two thousand
and four. Okay, here's exactly what

548
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.280
you were saying. How Rex thinks
he's fucking slick with technology, but he's

549
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:38.519
really an asshole. The document was
found in unallocated space on the hard drive,

550
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:45.119
which means Rex tried to delete the
argument right. But unless the space

551
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.639
that the deleted document once occupied is
overwritten with a new file, which it

552
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.840
hadn't been, the deleted document can
still be recovered by something called computer forensic

553
00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.360
extraction also known as file carving.
And that's exactly what police did. Wow.

554
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:07.119
It's important to note that this document
was created locally and it was edited

555
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.920
several times over the years. This
is important because this tells us that the

556
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:17.719
HK two thousand and two four document
wasn't just something Rex accidentally downloaded from the

557
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.159
Internet and then deleted it. No, this is a document Rex created and

558
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:29.079
then edited over time. Yeah,
he's the owner. Now everyone's making a

559
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:34.760
huge deal about this document because it
seems to be a planning document used by

560
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:40.360
Rex to methodically blueprint and plan out
his kills. Oh okay, yes,

561
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.800
did you read about this or ok
now this is involved, but fuck is

562
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.800
it telling? So I'm going to
get through this. This HK planning document

563
00:43:52.000 --> 00:44:00.039
begins with a four category section with
underlined headings problems, supplies, DS,

564
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:08.280
and TRG now based on Gilgo Homicide
Task Force training and experience the cops training

565
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:15.000
and experience, they believe problems section
is a guide on issues to avoid apprehension.

566
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:22.039
Supplies section is a reference to what
supplies are needed to carry out the

567
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.480
murders, to avoid apprehension and to
avoid leave behind any sort of DNA evidence.

568
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.960
The DS heading appears to be an
acronym for dump site, which is

569
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.079
corroborated by the discoveries of the Gilgo
four Valerie mac Jusica Taylor, and Sandra

570
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:44.440
Castilla at separate dump sites, that
being Manorville Ocean Parkway, Gilgo Beach in

571
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:52.480
Southampton. And finally, police believe
that TRG stands for targets Now. Some

572
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.880
of the things REX listed under these
headings are as follows. Under problems,

573
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:02.199
REX listed things like DNA tire marks, bloodstains, fingerprints, hair and fiber,

574
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:09.280
and police stops. Right right under
the supplies column, REX listed stuff

575
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:15.559
like booti's cover your shoes, lie
acid, police scanner, rope, cord,

576
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:21.360
saw, slash cutting tools, hairnets, photo film, foam, drain

577
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.519
cleaner, body wash and wipes,
and medical gloves. Isn't it chilling how

578
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:31.000
organized this asshole was. Photo film
is very specific, considering that he's so

579
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.960
stupid with technology, but he's smart
enough to know if he wants to take

580
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.519
pictures photo film. But it also
correct, and it also tells us there

581
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:43.440
might be a treasure trove. Oh
yes, of photo evidence. Right,

582
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.480
it's almost got to be in one
of his own stas, his own little

583
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.320
point collection there, Yeah, trophy
and maybe the police have it already.

584
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.679
We just don't know you right.
Cataloging and Taste cover Now under the DS

585
00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:00.960
or dump site column, Rex typed
DS one Mill Road and DS two with

586
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.480
a bunch of question marks after it, likely referring to the location where Jess

587
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.000
Kataylor and Valerie Max partial. We
talked about Valerie mac last episode in last

588
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:15.840
episodes where their remains were found near
Mill Road in Manorville at dumb Site one,

589
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.039
as well as the second dumb site
where more of the women's remains were

590
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.239
found off off Ocean Parkway or dumb
Site two. Does that makes sense?

591
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:29.159
Yeah? Okay? And then finally
TRG or the target column, Rex typed

592
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.239
in Meghan with the question mark,
likely referring to Megan Waterman, one of

593
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.880
the Gig four and he also typed
small as good, which is very significant

594
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:46.199
because all of Rex's victims were petite
females. Small as good, right man.

595
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:51.000
So that's the first section. The
planning document then breaks down into three

596
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:57.000
additional headings. Those are pre prep, prep, and post event. This

597
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:01.920
is like a fucking how an architect
would think polytical columnized information. You know

598
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:07.599
what I mean? Yes, it
so creepy. So the pre prep column,

599
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.880
so he's a pre prep column seems
to be Rex's idea for planning a

600
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:19.239
murder. He wrote things like vehicle
inspection, engage t ie or target one,

601
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.800
recon DS one or dump site one, weather report, and recon pick

602
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:30.000
zone for vidcams. This is what
he wrote, recon pick zone for vidcams.

603
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.039
He's literally laying out what he needs
to do to successfully abduct and murder

604
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.880
someone. Inspect his vehicle to make
sure it's in working order, no surprises,

605
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.239
make sure the weather won't ruin his
plans, check the abductionary and the

606
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:49.039
dump sites for video cameras, and
then boom, engage the target. Under

607
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.199
the prep column, Rex wrote set
up stage, holding area, build table,

608
00:47:53.480 --> 00:48:00.840
crossbar, and hard point. It
seems like here he's reminded himself that

609
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.400
before the murder, he must set
up the stage and holding area, likely

610
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.880
where he's going to hold his victims
torture. We're going to hold torture and

611
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:14.760
murder his victims, and both could
again possibly be inside his house. As

612
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.639
for the reference to building a table, crossbar, and hard point for the

613
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.639
victim, I think all these things
have to do with extreme BDSM. I

614
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.079
had to look it up, like, what a hard point was. I've

615
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.119
never heard of this, and apparently
it's this BDS thing, BDSM thing,

616
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.599
and it's something that's mounted overhead from
which a dominant partner would support their sub

617
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:43.599
their submissive while performing suspension bondage.
Okay, it's supposedly super kinky stuff and

618
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.960
in fact, fun fact, some
of the most serious publicly reported bondage injuries

619
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:54.599
have occurred when a hard point fails
during a suspension session. Even though it's

620
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.559
fairly rare that these failures happen.
When it does, it's supposed to be

621
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:08.000
sudden and catastrophic when these things fail. So that's what the investigators believe Rex

622
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.920
was doing is reminding himself, Hey, get that shit hung, set up

623
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:16.239
the kill zone, kill site,
and build your BDSM things. Tables,

624
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:22.320
crossbars, shit like that. Now. Finally, under the post event column,

625
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:28.239
Rex wrote, destroy file, change
tires, burn gloves, dispose of

626
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.599
picks, and have story set.
In other words, what he must do

627
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.840
after a murder to not get caught
basically, destroy all evidence and have an

628
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:42.679
alibi and a story at the ready, just in case. And then there's

629
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:46.639
a section called body prep, which
is very telling, where Rex wrote,

630
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:53.119
wash body inside in all cavities,
remove trace evidence, fingerprints and hair,

631
00:49:53.880 --> 00:50:01.360
remove tattoos, Hello, remove head
and hands Hello, and package for transport.

632
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.280
Of course, jess Kataylor Marine Brainer
Barnes had their tattoos horribly disfigured.

633
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.159
Jessica Taylor's head and arms were removed. Jessica Torso was found on top of

634
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.400
a surgical drape, and all four
of the Giggle four victims were wrapped in

635
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:21.880
burlap. And I bet Rex used
this surgical tape and burlap to package and

636
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:28.800
transport his victims, just like he's
saying in this planning document. The document

637
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.679
contained a section called dispose of the
following, under which Rex listed things like

638
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.960
tools and devices, drop cloths,
wipes and towels, props, toys and

639
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:44.760
wood items, tools and devices you
know, things like that personal clothes and

640
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:50.440
items, destroy book and computer files
again, just what to do not be

641
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.760
caught? Like keeping a checklist going
Yeah, then there was a things to

642
00:50:54.840 --> 00:51:00.559
remember section. This shit's crazy.
Listen to this quote sound travels. Control

643
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.119
the amount of air in and out
to control the noise. Quote. Get

644
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:12.920
sleep before hunt. Too tired creates
problems. Quote hit harder, too many

645
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:17.320
hits to take down. Consider hit
to face or neck Next time for takedown.

646
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.599
And he noticed how he said next
time. Yeah, yeah, that's

647
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.800
terrifying. This animal is never gonna
stop. Quote use push pins to hang

648
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:32.840
drop cloths from ceiling, not tape. Quote use heavy rope for neck light

649
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:37.800
rope broke under stress from being tightened. Now, this last one's chilling.

650
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.719
It just chills you to the bone. Quote more sleep and noise control equals

651
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:49.280
more playtime. Yeah, fucking playtime. Rex absolutely fucking loves this shit.

652
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.760
I think this document is gonna be
a major factor and put them away forever.

653
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.880
I mean, it's all there's really
that way. It's Hellada. Obviously.

654
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.199
The growing question is seeing his connection
to the nineteen ninety three murder.

655
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.119
How much has he murdered from then
till the ones we know of in two

656
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:12.000
thousand and three, ten years of
time, we don't know and where you

657
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.880
know, don't forget we got stuff
in Nevada because he wasn't He had to

658
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.360
grow into maybe that this. Maybe
he thought at some point thought like mad

659
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.599
should probably just figure them cut them
up in pieces like it wasn't nineteen ninety

660
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:28.440
three victim? How much longer did
he think of that? Did he kill

661
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:34.679
elsewhere in different states to practice like
get the rhythm going? Did he are

662
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.960
on the off chance from the nineteen
ninety three and then he had like a

663
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.800
gap time in ten years like before
he really really really felt like he wanted

664
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:47.719
to do it again and it could
be a cap tim Now I don't think

665
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.679
well, I don't think so,
but a lot of those cus they have

666
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.679
those cooling off periods, right,
But did he cool off maybe the first

667
00:52:53.719 --> 00:53:00.000
time like maybe he made him whatever, like where he just do it again?

668
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.000
Like if I can only do that
once and then ten years later I

669
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:08.280
do it again? Yeah, fucked
up man? And then it comes like

670
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:14.280
a regular such a regular thing occurrence
that you make a document or a documented

671
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:15.840
about it, right, and the
check list and to say next time,

672
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:22.079
do this Never was gonna stop.
No, no, no, now,

673
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.960
let's just his vacation. This is
like how he his hobby is stressing fucking

674
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.840
thing. Yeah the fuck imagine me
and that fucked up in the head man.

675
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:37.760
I cannot because I want to do
legos when I'm relaxing. I relaxactly.

676
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.920
I don't want to murder it again. You know. Getting back to

677
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.920
the home, everyone's dying to know. Was Rex murdering these women in his

678
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.480
home when his family was out of
town? You know? Was that massive

679
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.960
people park home his killing ground,
his holding area and stage to quote from

680
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.880
the HK document, right set up
stage and holding area. We just said

681
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:01.760
in this planning document used push pins
to hang drop cloths, not tape.

682
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:07.480
Remember that. Yeah, As it
turns out, investigators did find a section

683
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:12.239
of Rex's home that had tape marks
on walls in the ceiling, like this

684
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.559
one particular section of his home.
I thought it was his basement, like

685
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:21.840
it'd been cording off for some reason, And upon closer inspection they found tiny

686
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:28.639
holes like from pushpins in the ceiling, just like his document said. Yeah,

687
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.239
he's clearly cleaning there. Yeah it
doesn't it remind you of Dexter,

688
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.880
doesn't This sh it reminds you of
Dexter. Well, yeah, I mean,

689
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.719
honestly, when we were going through, especially when we talked about the

690
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:44.360
all of the suspects and the many
ideas and theories of multiple serial killers being

691
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:49.239
involved, it felt like a Dexter
series. Oh did I remember? It

692
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.599
felt like a Dexter season five or
something. Yeah, it's fucking nuts.

693
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:58.000
And also remember in that planning documents
supply section, Rex listed tarps and drop

694
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.760
cloths. The theory is he was
hanging these tarps and drop cloths using tape

695
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:07.360
and pushbins. It is, let's
just call it his kill room to help

696
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:13.000
contain splashing blood and other bodily fluids
and to help stop the spread of DNA.

697
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.800
He'd likely then use those same materials
to pack the bodies for transport and

698
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:22.159
disposal. I mean, this document
is the exact reason why Hroman went undetected

699
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:28.079
for thirty years. He was meticulous
as shit, just like an architect would

700
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.559
be, right, and he had
zero intentions of stopping. And just like

701
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:35.280
always with a lot of these killer
especially the ones that do it a long

702
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.559
time and go comfortable in it,
they go too comfortable in it. You

703
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:43.519
think of that, that the very
first victim that led to the beach gig

704
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.639
for running away, the description of
him the truck. You get a lot

705
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.159
of the things that we know for
sure now, I from that first lady

706
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.760
that got away or ran away or
try to run away. We talked about

707
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:59.119
it right now. Oh yeah,
yeah cool, and then obviously his failure

708
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:05.119
to understand technology. Anyway, Yeah, before we close, you know,

709
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.440
I do want to give a quick
update on Shannon Gilbert, the one that

710
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:13.679
you're just talking about. She's kind
of getting forgotten now that Rex Huerman is

711
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:19.239
in custody and sadly now that Mary
Gilbert, Shannon's mother, her outspoken advocate,

712
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.840
is dead, murdered, Yes,
by her own daughter. I remember,

713
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:27.280
listeners, go back and listen.
Remember Shannon Gilbert. She's the unsung

714
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.599
hero right in this whole fucked up
story. If police weren't out searching for

715
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:37.480
Shannon, they wouldn't have literally stumbled
across the gilg fur which led to more

716
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.360
bodies and ultimately to Rex. Right
now, one of the biggest questions something

717
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.920
everyone is trying to figure out is
whether or not Shannon Gilbert and Rex Hueman

718
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:51.119
cross paths, Like, could Rex
have murdered Shannon? I mean, the

719
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.920
way Rex indulged in sex workers,
he and Shannon coming into contact, isn't

720
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:59.840
that far far stretched of an idea? Right now? If you remember we

721
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.000
do? You have that one eye
witness the taxi driver who signed a sworn

722
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:10.880
AFFFF David stating that she saw a
terrified Shannon Gilbert and Huerman at the Sayville

723
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.320
Motor Lodge and the south shore of
Long Island back in two thousand and nine.

724
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:19.360
Do you remember that? Yes?
Now? More recently, John Ray,

725
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:24.719
the attorney representing Shannon Gilbert's state,
talked about Shannon's diary, which police

726
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:29.760
have. We weren't privy to this
information back when we recorded our first two

727
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:35.280
episodes. This is new now.
Overall, unfortunately, there isn't much in

728
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:39.760
the diary, no smoking gun linking
Shannon to Rex or Shannon to any of

729
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:45.280
the suspects we talked about in the
previous episodes. But there is one thing

730
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:51.280
John Ray mentioned that's pretty interesting,
and it's only two words. On one

731
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:55.199
of the diary pages, Shannon had
written the name Chris and then crossed it

732
00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:02.320
out, and next to Chris was
the word massive Pequa Okay, of all

733
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:07.920
the towns in Long Island, she
wrote massive Pequa, where Rex lived and

734
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:15.320
possibly killed. Rex's step son is
named Christopher or Chris. And we know

735
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.840
that Rex loved to use ordinary names
as aliases when he communicated with sex workers

736
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:28.880
and created his fictitious emails names like
John Springfield and Thomas Hawk. Now this

737
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.760
is all circumstantial, but man,
is this the proof? And Shannon's own

738
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:37.400
handwriting that she and Rex knew each
other? Could he been there that night?

739
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:43.280
Was that who she was running from? It's definitely not a smoking gun,

740
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.480
of course, but interesting. It's
definitely watch closer now, huh.

741
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:52.280
Yeah. And John Ray is because
Mary Gilbert, the mother, Shannon's mother,

742
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.039
was, like I said, this
advocate, outspoken, brash, not

743
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.039
afraid to piss people off. But
now that she's gone and there's someone in

744
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.159
custody, Shannon's name is just kind
of getting forgotten. Yeah. So John

745
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.960
Ray is really trying to put the
pressure to reopen her case, re examine

746
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.239
her case, take a look at
the facts and everything again. And now

747
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:15.440
we have this Chris mass of Pequa. Maybe they can find her DNA in

748
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:20.360
his place or something. Yeah.
And then just today, just today,

749
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:27.760
this morning, I found three interviews
that were done with Joe Brewer. Joe

750
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:31.199
Brewer is the man who Shannon went
to visit the night she disappeared, Yes,

751
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.679
for her sex work. Right,
and everyone's like Joe Brower is involved,

752
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.039
or the driver Michael Pack Right,
Michael pack brought her to Joe Brewer's.

753
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.920
How she ran out of Joe Burrow's
house. So there's three and I'll

754
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:45.760
leave the links to these interviews.
They're about twenty minutes each. And you

755
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:49.519
know, just to hear Joe Brewer's
voice, to hear him tell his side

756
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.320
of the story about what happened that
night, incredibly interesting, really, of

757
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:58.360
course he pleads, is in a
sense and of In fact, Joe Brewer

758
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.760
called the police himself once he found
out Shannon was missing. Joe Burer took

759
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:06.480
a lot of detective tests. Joe
Brewer has answered all the police's questions.

760
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:12.719
But you know who he says didn't
do all those things. The doctor Peter

761
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:17.559
Hackett, the Kookie doctor. Very
weird, very weird. So just to

762
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:21.880
and again I'll leave the links to
these interviews. There's a couple of points.

763
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:28.320
Joe Brewer said that the morning he
Discoveryone discovered Shannon was gone, het

764
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.639
he met up, he just happened
to bump into Peter Hackett at the front

765
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:36.440
gate of the Oak Beach Association where
all these people lived, and he said,

766
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:43.039
Peter Hackett, the doctor, was
the only one who wanted meticulous information

767
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.519
about timeline. No one else mentioned
it, no one else brought it up.

768
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:51.760
He was the one that wanted a
meticulous timeline of everything Joe Brewer did

769
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.920
that day with Shannon, no one
else. And then when Joe Burroer brought

770
01:00:54.920 --> 01:01:00.960
it up to the police that he
gave Peter Hackett this information, Doctor Hackett

771
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.000
told the police that never happened,
and Joe Vers said, of course it

772
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.559
fucking happened, but he denied it. But the doctor denied it. But

773
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:12.400
were also said that the doctor was
in charge of the video surveillance system at

774
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:17.280
that front gate. The only night
that video was missing was a night Shannon

775
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.639
disappeared. What and no one has
been No one answered for it, And

776
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:27.920
so he knew he did another lie
too to somebody else. Oh yeah,

777
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.119
Shannon's mother, That's what it was. Okay, I run a wayward home

778
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:37.480
for girls. That's why I said
that, you know, Paul Peter Hackett

779
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.199
had said to one of his Oak
Beach neighbors that Shannon was at my house

780
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:44.519
and I gave her a sedative to
calm her down, and then he denied

781
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:49.400
that too. These are all from
Joe Brewer's mouth and so without coming out

782
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.760
and saying it, in these interviews, he's saying people need to really look

783
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.239
at Hackett, but he's not accusing
him. He's accusing him without accusing him.

784
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.880
Yeah, the real damning part that
makes me want to really look into

785
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:07.199
it. Otherwise, it felt more
more a can to what the police Sad

786
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.840
originally, like, he's just a
fucking attention getter. He's just a cook,

787
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.519
he's just a kook. He just
wants to talk to the police about

788
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:16.840
Shad, and he's an asshole and
just inject himself right right, He's he's

789
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:21.159
nothing like they we're just trying to
ignore him. There's more, there's more

790
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.360
there, Yeah, because you know
the kind of thing for sure, Brewer

791
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:25.440
said, He's like, you know, I'm not saying he killed him,

792
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.719
but he helped cover it up.
And why why is he helping cover it

793
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:31.920
up? For why? You know, Brewer he wants to find out.

794
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:37.039
I'm on Brewers fan, I'm on
Brewer's side. After listening to those those

795
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.519
interviews. Listeners check it out.
I'll make sure and put those links in

796
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.199
the show notes. And that's really
all I have. I mean, it's

797
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.800
a lot for updates on the Long
Island serial killer case. Personally, I

798
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.719
think it's literally impossible for to turn
out that Rex is not the killer.

799
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:58.599
There's just so much damning evidence pointing
straight to him, and it keeps mounting.

800
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:01.159
And unfortunately, I think victim list
is going to continue to grow.

801
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:06.639
But we're gonna have to wait and
see what other evidence comes out, like

802
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:08.480
from all those I mean, his
only way out and not buy out,

803
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:13.760
I mean out in the street.
I'm saying, out of let's say,

804
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:22.079
an execution, or or into some
sort of some kind of halfway decent redemption

805
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:28.960
arc. He might have to resort
to telling the police about everyone that he's

806
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.320
killed, or they're going to find
the evidence. I mean, there's no

807
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:37.559
I can't imagine that in all that
time there would be evidence on every one

808
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.320
of his victims. You know what
I'm saying, We just don't know that.

809
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.559
I think it's much better if he
were to confess. I don't know

810
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:46.719
this guy. He's I don't think
so I don't even do it right,

811
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:50.000
And most of them actually never really
do, not all of them anyway,

812
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.880
some of them do hardcore, but
like they go all out like you got

813
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.679
me, here's a list, but
like it happens very rarely, right,

814
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.360
But that would be the idea,
that's the only way to And I'm not

815
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:02.719
even sam we'll really even know for
sure then, but I feel like that's

816
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:06.920
the one way we might actually know
how many and who and where they are.

817
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.239
Yeah, or sometimes they just say, okay, we got six,

818
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:14.039
that's enough life, You're done,
case closed. Yeah, And unfortunately the

819
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:17.440
other people don't aren't discovered or terrible
though, because you people want to know,

820
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:23.079
right of course, especially of course, but it's not unheard of to

821
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.679
say, okay, you've charged with
sick. Of course, not that's enough

822
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:29.639
to put you to life the rest
unfortunately, right, But also, like

823
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:31.760
what if you come across one of
the other victims that if you looked into

824
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.800
and you start blaming somebody else for
that way got to know no, no,

825
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.159
no, I'm saying it, but
you have to and you don't know

826
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:41.960
did it, but you start blaming
against somebody else, and you know,

827
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.519
like what if you don't mean that's
weird, that's why we got due diligence.

828
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.159
Oh yeah, there's so much to
go through here, and you know,

829
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:55.119
as information, chunks of information come
out, we'll keep you updated because

830
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:59.400
yeah, for sure people are interested
in this case. So yeah, that's

831
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.800
what I got. Oscar awesome,
that's all I got to Are you gonna

832
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.480
take us home? I'm about to
Are you ready? I'm ready to go?

833
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:43.079
All right, let's do it.
He went out for Talia's birthday to

834
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:46.000
the sugar shack in a sugar factory. Oh, she still loves that,

835
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:55.519
rose hasn't yet. Goddamn is expensive. It's so expensive. And a chocolate

836
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:59.239
martini thing delicious, but wait,
too overpriced. That's what they need to

837
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:00.800
stick to, is the drink.
Yes that, I'll give it a plus

838
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:04.039
for That's the only one thing I
left. Food sucked, food ben remember

839
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.840
Benigans and shit like that. I
remember Apple Beat, That's what it is.

840
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.119
But you're paying like shape, Paul, Apples Beast is better because it's

841
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:15.840
not price So right, alright,
some movies, movies, movies, movies.

842
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:23.400
Yeah, I've seen everything. Uh
I wanted to Uh that I can't

843
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:29.039
win subscription? Do you mean your
your movie past? Is that what you

844
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.079
mean? They don't have. They
don't not for a while. Really,

845
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.639
there's a great documentary. I think
Paul movie Pass. Well, oh the

846
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:41.840
down Paul Movie Past. It's on
Max No shit, if you're curious to

847
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.320
what happened. Yeah, yeah,
well it sounded like it was a fucking

848
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.400
great deal. Okay, what I
was there day one? Were you day

849
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.920
one on that tuo with me?
No? No, okay no, because

850
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:56.599
I was over that ship. Now
I'm a dang s one. So I

851
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.119
was trying to think, like,
first, let's talk about movies we've seen

852
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:03.159
in the theaters. We saw the
new Ghostbusters in the theater, and we

853
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.960
saw Late Night with the Devil.
I love that movie, dude, it

854
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:12.519
was so good. I love that
the Yeah we did, yeah, I

855
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:16.119
had. I had to see that. Yes, yes it was you who

856
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:21.159
saw my account, so no somebody
else. We may watched it again,

857
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:26.920
but we saw it originally in the
movies. Cool. I love that movie.

858
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.519
One Wasp. It was so good, the whole Bohemian grove tie in,

859
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:32.239
Dude, I love I didn't text
you. I thought I did.

860
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:34.800
Maybe I just thought I did,
but I was. I thought of you

861
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:39.599
immediately. I'm like, dude,
yeah, yeah, So that was really

862
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:44.840
cool. The guy des Chamaine.
Yeah, the guy who's always in like

863
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.719
little movies, but he's the main
star on the fe was so good at

864
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:55.599
playing that late night late night house, so good. And the uh so

865
01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:01.719
the the the guy who came in
as the debunker, right, are you

866
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:06.960
good? Yes, he's a guy
from the Matrix sequels. Really, he's

867
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:13.760
the guy the agent Smith takes over
in the real world. Oh that's that

868
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.840
actor. Okay, right, I
see it. It took me the whole

869
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.000
movie to where's this guy? And
then I looked him up after Wow,

870
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:25.760
But he was based off of a
real guy. Amazing. There wasn't an

871
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.880
Amazing Randy who wrote that check in
real life. So yes, I thought

872
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.800
of Amazing Randy too, because I
knew about him as well. I thought

873
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:39.560
that it was supposed to be It
looked so from yes the premise of the

874
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:42.960
check, Yes, proved to be
paranormal and right. I also thought of

875
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:47.000
Ghostbusus's a beetlejuice. They had that
little thing about that, like, did

876
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.279
they off hand? No, it's
not like a real plot or anything.

877
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:54.279
One of the characters off hand says, you know, the National Inquire is

878
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:57.560
offering a hundred thousand dollars for a
proof of the afterlife something like that,

879
01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.399
and it reminded me of the same
thing, like, oh, because that's

880
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.680
Brandy's and that was in the movie
I see, so fire. So this

881
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:05.800
is called Fire and Blood three hundred
years before a Game of Thrones, Yes,

882
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:12.800
the Targerian dynasty, the House of
the Dragon. Yes. So the

883
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.920
book is written as if this is
what's interesting. This is why it makes

884
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.880
them so different from the other books. It's cool, but also not cool.

885
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:24.319
I'll tell you why. Fire and
Blood is written as if it was

886
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:30.479
written as a history book made by
a guy that's in the in the in

887
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:34.359
the world. So it's written like
a history book, a textbook for future

888
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:39.319
generations to read on what happened to
the target. Cool, but because it's

889
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:43.479
a history book, it's very dry. There's no characterization, there's no POV

890
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.439
you know what I'm saying. It's
very much like like a history. I

891
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:50.439
mean, there's just facts. It's
what they know, what they surmise based

892
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:55.720
on accounts and witnesses. It was
also written it pretends to be a book

893
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:59.760
that was written like a generation after
the events of the book. So even

894
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.000
though book itself spans three hundred years
from the first Dynasty from Mega I forgot

895
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:09.359
that Egon the first guy, all
the way up until where they stopped,

896
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:14.319
you know, like one hundred years
before Danny and Game of Thrones. Basically,

897
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:16.239
they cover as much of that as
possible, but they're also so far

898
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.439
away from it. They don't know
anybody that's alive from that time, you

899
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:21.439
know, so like a lot of
accounts, you don't know. The show

900
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:26.600
is tweeting it like a drama,
like they're filling in the gaps that the

901
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.680
text that the history book doesn't have. Okay, basically, and when is

902
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.279
the show supposed to be? Is
it a thousand years before like Denius and

903
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:36.399
all them? No, a couple
hundred, couple hundred the Dynasty of the

904
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:40.760
Targarians has only it's less than a
thousand. It's like less than five hundred.

905
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:45.319
Okay, okay. Because Katie's getting
into the House of Dragons. Oh

906
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.479
really, she did not like Game
of Thrones really, so now she's getting

907
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.159
into house really on part two,
just like what's out and she was like,

908
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:54.079
Okay, what's this? What's that? What's this? At the end,

909
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:56.399
I'm like, you like it,
don't you. She gave me the

910
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.319
look, so I was trying to
tell her this takes place. It's either

911
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:02.319
a thousand or a few hundred.
I couldn't remember. But now in this

912
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:05.760
list, okay, fire and blood. Yeah, then we have a Night

913
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:11.399
of the Said, a Night of
the Seven Kingdoms, a Song of Ice

914
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.439
and Fire, which I've never heard
of. I don't know that one either.

915
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:21.680
It's George R. R. Martin
and Gary Gianni. He also wrote

916
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:29.159
that the Tale of Mushroom and something, and there's another one. Yeah.

917
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:30.720
He's done a lot of stuff about
the world, but not the Song of

918
01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:33.840
He has not continued the books.
So and what are we waiting for in

919
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:39.399
the books? What's the name of
it? The Winds of Winter that's not

920
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.319
out yet. No, that's what
we're waiting for. That's what we've all

921
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.359
been waiting for. And then the
Dream of Spraying is the last one supposed

922
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:48.159
to be seven. So he's got
two books. Yeah, he's gonna die,

923
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:53.640
dude, Right, Okay, Well
that's good to know. So now

924
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:55.840
I got to get a new book. Good because I'm always done with this

925
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:59.800
new Stephen King one I'm reading.
And if you are like if you remember,

926
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:03.640
if we have like great memory on
the original series in season three of

927
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:08.000
Game of Thrones, maybe four,
maybe even earlier, I don't remember.

928
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.720
Geoffrey legit spoils what happens in the
House of the Dragon because it's history to

929
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:20.399
them he's talking to, not Sansa, the other girl he marries, one

930
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:25.239
from High Garden, High Garden,
High Garden or the High Garden girl.

931
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:30.239
High towers, no high towers houses
Dragon, but it's not the lineage that

932
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.600
girl was no high No, okay, a high tower and high high Towers

933
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:39.880
are from old Town where sam Tardi
was from. High Garden is entirely different

934
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:44.000
area. Okay, pretty sure.
But so he ruled and he was like

935
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.079
he was like in the crib where
all the bones of the old dragons were,

936
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.279
including some of the dragons that you're
there alive in that House of the

937
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:53.319
Dragon, right, and he's talking
about the history, and he talks about

938
01:12:54.319 --> 01:13:00.199
NAR's rain or lack thereof, and
what actually like how she dies really he

939
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:02.600
talks to about it like it was
like I'm not gonna tell you it's a

940
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.760
real and it was insane ending for
her, but like he just blurts it

941
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:11.279
out and like if you remember that
scene, you're gonna get spoiled for House

942
01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:14.319
unless they change it somehow. No, I don't think so. I don't

943
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:15.479
know how they could, right,
No, that's actually I don't think they're

944
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:18.000
gonna fuck with it. It's also
in Fire and Blood that scene. So

945
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:23.159
I'm I'm a big fan of Verniers. I think she's awesome your team Black,

946
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:30.720
but I also like Alison Alice high
Tower at all his daughter Alison.

947
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:35.680
Sorry, how long has it been
since season one and two? Well?

948
01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:40.520
How many how many years were between
between seasons one and two of this new

949
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.640
seat show? Not at all?
Basically like it's the next day or a

950
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:46.840
week? No, no, no, I'm sorry, but no between season

951
01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:49.600
one and season two. Yeah.
So at the end of season one,

952
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:58.399
Luke Branera's kid dies is the mid
air cool dragon scene and the next episode

953
01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:01.079
one of the new season. I'm
sorry. How much time for us did

954
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:04.479
it take to Oh it was a
couple of years. A couple of years.

955
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:09.279
Yeah, point is no more than
no more than two. You should

956
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.840
always go uh and there's always great
stuff people make fans of itself, like,

957
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.000
oh, here's like a wee cap
that's better than HBO will show you.

958
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:17.359
Oh really, you could always watch
a bit of cookbad of someone cut

959
01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:20.239
up for you to say a recap
in cases has been too long for you.

960
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.359
But they do that for every show. You can nick up. You

961
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.079
can always do that real quick before
you start a new episode of the season.

962
01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.520
Get you fresh. I should because
there's a lot trying because I did

963
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:31.199
too. I just kind of played
it by year, but I also read

964
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.600
the books Nobody but yeah, and
then trying to explain it to Katie it

965
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.800
was it was hard. So,
yeah, a lot of characters, and

966
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:45.840
that's what I was talking There's so
many characters and relationships and locations and well

967
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:48.520
not that many locations in this one. It's is mainly what they're talking about

968
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.920
a lot of places. I mean, they are talking about a lot of

969
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:56.600
places. Run they're talking about them, but other than sometimes you may be

970
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.159
visiting them. Is mainly kings Landing
and Dragonstone. Dragonstone. Yeah, that's

971
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:04.800
where the two warring factors are at. Milicent. What's her name is?

972
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:10.960
Allison is in King's Landing right with
the King. The nearest is in dragons

973
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:15.239
Dragonstone, which is like the man
jump. It's like right there across the

974
01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:20.600
pond. Not even because the King
Agon said she's sitting across the lake or

975
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:24.640
whatever at me or something. They're
all super close together, all those places.

976
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.640
The stepstones too, I think not
type far. So we haven't yet.

977
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:30.760
We haven't yet seen like the scept
of Baylor, and we haven't seen

978
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:32.119
we haven't seen the Seven Sister.
I don't think there is a scept of

979
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:39.520
Baylor yet yet. Oh, like
built, I'm not sure, could be

980
01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:42.119
wrong. Wasn't Baylor one of the
Kings? Yeah, but I think they

981
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:45.680
didn't his honor after the events of
this stuff. Yeah, so right,

982
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:47.600
that's what I mean. So Baylor
hasn't come yet, either hasn't come yet

983
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.960
or they haven't done it constructed the
thing yet. I'm pretty sure that makes

984
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:57.640
sense. Yeah, And in trying
to relate to Chop that fucking gets that

985
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.720
off. And then they showed it. Actually it's works in the book.

986
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:04.319
No, no, it's not spoiler, because I can it happened already.

987
01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:10.840
I can tell you how it So
like in the book, she she has

988
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:15.880
two male hers and one girl,
not just one girl, one boy and

989
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:20.000
Blood and Cheese, the two killers. When they go into the room they

990
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:24.359
see all the babes, they don't
know what to decide. They make her

991
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:28.439
choose, and then they killed the
other one in front of her. It's

992
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.199
like like that. It's like a
sophie's choice, like a real sophie's choice.

993
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.600
Isn't that what happened here? They're
like, which, no, but

994
01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:38.800
like they fuck with her, like
they don't do that here and this one.

995
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:41.560
Yeah, they say which one is
the boy? They're like, which

996
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.560
are the two boys you want us
to kill? That's a big difference.

997
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:50.000
So like, yeah, they were
rowdy back then in this fictional world.

998
01:16:51.159 --> 01:17:00.439
Yeah, the guy with the scar, he's Niers's brother, the one who

999
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:05.840
killed Luke. Oh amen, amen, Not Damon. Damon's this. Damon

1000
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:11.279
is the doctor hu guy. Oh
is he? Yeah? I didn't know.

1001
01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:15.359
Oh you know something Smith, he's
the one banging his niece. Yeah,

1002
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:16.760
no, it's very dirty. Yes, everyone banged each other. So

1003
01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:23.399
what was his name? Aiment Aimen? What did he do to Luke?

1004
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:26.199
Again? He just killed him on
the dragon, right, he made it

1005
01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:29.479
dragon. It wasn't his choice.
He's playing it off as if he lost

1006
01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:34.079
his temper. No, the dragon
after went after the dragon because it pissed

1007
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:38.199
it off, because they're animals and
they were just bickering in mid air.

1008
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:40.920
And and I forgot his name,
MegaR I think has his name, the

1009
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.359
dragon, just doesn't. He can't
control the dragon. He may he may

1010
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:47.960
be the one that rides the biggest
dragon in all the land, doesn't mean

1011
01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.279
he can control it all. It's
the oldest dragon they have. So then

1012
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:54.520
why is he playing off that he
because he's not going to be embarrass and

1013
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:59.199
show like he has no power and
shod then he can't control It's crazy.

1014
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.680
Yeah, So that's a great one
in the because in the history Book and

1015
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.880
the Fire and Blood, they don't
know what really happened. They played off

1016
01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:09.119
as if it was a vindictive act
that Aimon did because they don't know.

1017
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:12.279
But obviously we see the show like
that's cool. That's a better twist on

1018
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.359
because nobody would be up there to
know for real what happened anything. It

1019
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:19.720
was cool. I just saw on
Instagram today it was a breakdown of all

1020
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:23.960
the dragons that are alive right now. Oh yeah, in the series I

1021
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.640
Love Axis, Did you see this
image? No, obviously in the image,

1022
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:32.359
oh Saxis is tiny compared to Begar. It could have been Vegar.

1023
01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.640
It has to be Vega. That's
the only big one because he was I

1024
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:39.079
mean, he dwarfed. He's like
he's basically like a seven forty nine,

1025
01:18:39.439 --> 01:18:45.680
uh seven four to seven compared to
the Sesna that is the rest of the

1026
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:47.840
writers. Wow, that's basically the
way you look at it. It's great,

1027
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:53.079
it's good. I mean, I
love that Damon is the only Dragon

1028
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:57.439
writer in all the Dragon writers that
in existence in west Rows that's had combat

1029
01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:01.239
experience and has both gonna experience it
with himself and with the Dragon. He's

1030
01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:04.479
the only one that's followed wars On. The Dragon knows how to fight in

1031
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:10.119
general and amen, and nobody else
knows has that kind of like experience.

1032
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:13.800
So keep that in mind too.
Okay, Well yeah, because now Damon

1033
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.920
he he scootered off again. Well
yeah, a lot of people think it's

1034
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:20.399
going to Heron Hall, but I
don't know. And what's going on in

1035
01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:24.199
Haron Hall. Well, Heron Hall
he wants to master the army there so

1036
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:30.640
you can start taking over lordy for
four or against well for were new they

1037
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:32.079
just had that big fight, right, I'm gonna tell you. But okay,

1038
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:35.399
okay, And then there was one
more thing I wanted to bring up.

1039
01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:40.520
Oh God, plus it. Yeah, you're trying to make those correlations

1040
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:44.479
between characters, you see, now, characters you see how the stars act

1041
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:46.199
just like the Starks when they go
up there. In the first book,

1042
01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:49.479
there was like, so starky,
is the wall half its size at this

1043
01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:54.319
point? No, no, it
never diminished full size. They're not still

1044
01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:57.239
a building. No no, no, it's a lot smaller than now.

1045
01:19:57.399 --> 01:20:00.560
The wall is truly old thing that's
been there for for thousands of years,

1046
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:06.119
that was there and made basically with
the very first handles the first men that

1047
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.479
came in with it, and then
they met the children of the forest back

1048
01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:15.119
when the Night King and those whites, the White Walkers were out and about,

1049
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.039
and they built that wall for them
a long time ago, so long

1050
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:23.560
that it's been way forgotten. What's
for Wow? Yeah, okay, so

1051
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:27.439
that's they got to do a movie
or a book. Well, they have

1052
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.239
this thing where they want to they
want to do, obviously a good version

1053
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.399
of it, a continuation of Game
of Thrones, as if like through John

1054
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:39.560
Snow's point of view. So at
the end of season eight he goes up

1055
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.840
to the wall, right, he's
the general Lord Commander up there and among

1056
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.079
yeah, and then Brian is leading
kings landing and all that stuff. But

1057
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:50.039
they want to do a continuation from
that point on because and this makes more

1058
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:56.000
sense because we don't know how George
is gonna end the books that the Night

1059
01:20:56.079 --> 01:21:00.399
King, you know, isn't going
to be it's like a skirmish. Like

1060
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:03.439
the whole point is that the Night
King and his army coming through, and

1061
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:08.640
what we saw in season eight that
was just the beginning. Like the whole

1062
01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:12.359
point is that there's many more and
they're massing and this is just the first

1063
01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.600
skirmish. WHOA, So, like, where else can they go from here?

1064
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:17.239
Why would John snow have to deal
with if they do that? I

1065
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:21.840
mean the idea that our record destroyed
only one night after all that build ups,

1066
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:27.239
it seems kind of dumb and anti
climactic when you skink up all the

1067
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.079
build up and all this, all
the army that are massing over the point.

1068
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:31.720
Yeah. So and the people are
saying like, well, maybe that's

1069
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:34.479
just the beginning and there's a lot
more going on and we're just never going

1070
01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:38.239
to get to see that. So
until they make more. So they had

1071
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.079
snow when they cancel that, Yeah, well they were gonna have no lot

1072
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:44.960
and they cancel that, I don't
know if they're gonna do something else where.

1073
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:46.760
Maybe he's in it because he still
wants to do stuff. As far

1074
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:53.600
as I know that actor, he's
fine, he's doing fine. He married

1075
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.680
Egret, he's fine. Oh that's
right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1076
01:21:57.680 --> 01:22:01.359
I love it. I'm all in. I'll get the new book for yeah,

1077
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:04.239
obviously. The only one I know
that as like a hardcore fan of

1078
01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:09.159
the shows is what You're the only
fan that's that hard. The only find

1079
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:15.199
I have as a that's hardcore as
that's oh yeah this, I think this

1080
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:16.800
series a lot of people go and
watch it. It's not gonna be Yeah,

1081
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:24.279
that's why yourself. Really, I
don't understand. That's what I wanted

1082
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:28.439
to bring up real quick. I
don't understand where the Black family comes in.

1083
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:33.079
They're Targarians as well. No,
no, I mean no, they're

1084
01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:36.840
not Targarians. What's their last name? Black? Strong? Sorry? Strong?

1085
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.279
Is it strong? So Team Black
and Team Green has a you know

1086
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.800
that's the two different things, right
Black is? Team Black is Rhinera and

1087
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:50.319
her side and her whole. Team
Green is Alison and and I haven't heard

1088
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:57.319
it really, Yeah, they're everywhere
online. Everyone's almost everyone's team blackeh.

1089
01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:00.720
No one likes fucking Otto, No
one likes dude, I like him.

1090
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.920
I don't like he's a piece of
shit. I mean he's great to watch.

1091
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:06.680
I think he's You don't think he's
a slimy I think he's a shittier

1092
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:11.399
work. No, no, no, he is so petual. He caused

1093
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:15.960
all of that. He's so selfish, and that family don't even know how

1094
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:18.399
to give each other a hug,
much less they're so bad we near.

1095
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:20.720
On the other hand, look at
the way she raised her children, comparison

1096
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:25.359
so much better as a queen.
Anyway, Well, it seemed like the

1097
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:30.119
advice he was given to Agon was
sounded well, yeah, I mean he

1098
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:31.640
was heartless in the way he was
like, yellow, let's use the little

1099
01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:36.079
boy's body to generate you know,
he't against it. Sound it's fucked up,

1100
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:40.479
it's cruel. Yeah no, But
he's a piece of share for causing

1101
01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:44.159
all events that got there. He
the way he manipulated Alison the first season

1102
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:48.520
to lead to like and the whole
time he's thinking that Alison like joined in

1103
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:53.560
on his plan, when in reality
she was just being an innocent like she

1104
01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:58.560
saw Amon's last the last King's last
words in his delirium and his death,

1105
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:01.279
thinking that he was talking about his
son when he was talking about the prophecy,

1106
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:05.199
and she just got it confused and
became it was anstant bystander, and

1107
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:09.039
he's auto thinking like, way to
go daughter, way to betray, like

1108
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:11.560
I was doing, like, oh, I hate that guy so much.

1109
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:16.199
Wait, the king who died was
Amen Agon. It wasn't serious? Serious?

1110
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.239
Did I get that wrong? I
think it was serious. I thought

1111
01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:23.359
Agon is the current king, the
boy, but he was named after his

1112
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.359
father. I thought that was King
Agon was serious? Wrong, I could

1113
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:29.000
be wrong. Let's know, you
were probably right. No, no,

1114
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:31.359
no, first season, it was
a while back. I think I'm only

1115
01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:34.079
saying because I literally looked it up
today for Katie, and then you're right,

1116
01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:36.720
try and trigger. No, you're
probably right. My band got it

1117
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:41.279
wrong. It's so many names that
sound the same. I was like,

1118
01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:46.560
Ellison was married to you want to
say Milicent was married to the king.

1119
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:49.000
What was the king's name? Again? And I started to look it up

1120
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:55.159
because I want then I wanted to
know who Agon's father was again, And

1121
01:24:55.239 --> 01:25:00.199
it was serious. She was loyal
to Alston, was a true blue from

1122
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:02.079
the get go. She just wanted
to do right by the realm, right

1123
01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:05.880
by the husband, right by the
King, and she did everything and then

1124
01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:11.720
still got manipulated, betrayed mainly by
Auto. He's such a manipulator. You

1125
01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:14.840
got five from being handed out twice
three times. I think, well,

1126
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:19.399
he's such an ash. And also, don't forget the other guy, uh

1127
01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:23.840
their master whispers whatever, the foot
fetish guy. Yes, yes, I

1128
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.760
was gonna bring him up too,
Like that's Varius, that that's sure laws,

1129
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:31.359
that's Lauris, right, but in
Game of Throne, oh yeah,

1130
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:34.520
it would be various, right,
but but these are worst versions of those,

1131
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:38.239
Like you think of Otto High Tower
being the worst version of little Finger

1132
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:42.319
because little Finger Les was smarter.
He's like, well maybe not till the

1133
01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.039
end, because he fucked up at
the end, but he was smarter,

1134
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:47.760
way smarter, and way more conniving, way more like connections, Auto High

1135
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:53.800
Towers socks compared to him man and
also serious is much better in general as

1136
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:59.880
a person than Lauris Lorus. Well, what I really hate is the King's

1137
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.600
guy who sent Arik out to his
death. What a piece of ship.

1138
01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:05.800
That was a good that was a
good scene. It was a good scene.

1139
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:10.119
Yeah, but like you just highlights
this piece of shipness and maybe and

1140
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:14.239
that becomes the hand, Where were
you on the night He just wanted he

1141
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.960
just wanted then to feel guilty that
were you? Of course he was banging

1142
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:26.000
Allison Ellison. But no, the
black people, Oh you meant that,

1143
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:30.920
Okay, I see you meant that, like the master ships and yeah,

1144
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.680
what's their last name? Again?
They're not Targarians, are they know?

1145
01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:38.560
They're like they're like one of the
original Valerian families. They're part of Valarian

1146
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:43.920
but Targerian is the ruling one in
Westros. But and old Valeria in the

1147
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.479
old days, it was then Targerians
were like one of the lower class,

1148
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:49.960
one of the lower families. But
they went over to Westros, one of

1149
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.399
the first to come over to Westros. So when they took over Westros with

1150
01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:59.640
their never seen, never before seen
dragons, the obviously became the nure Ones.

1151
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.079
But in Valeria there were nothing and
then Valeri got destroyed, so they

1152
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:09.319
become the only ones left. Damn. But now because usually okay, like

1153
01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:12.960
the signal is oh the white hair
Targarian, Yes, that's what. But

1154
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:16.760
these blacks they're not Targarians or are
they Targarian? I think some of them

1155
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.479
are, but I don't know.
There's another name. I don't remember the

1156
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:24.640
name, and it's a name we've
heard before. Yes, yeah, okay,

1157
01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:28.560
okay, because the one girl,
like when Damon was storming through the

1158
01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:30.880
castle, the black girl walked by
and said father, and he just kept

1159
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:38.319
walking. Yeah, so he fathered
one of those. Well, he followed

1160
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:45.479
Ranera's original king or the one she
was mad, the gay guy who they

1161
01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:47.880
are right, I forgot about that
and the history box. They claimed that

1162
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:50.399
he died, of course because they
don't know the truth. And then the

1163
01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:53.199
show was like, no, no, we let him go. He goes

1164
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:59.000
off to assays somewhere and having fun
with his boyfriend. Okay, I forgot

1165
01:27:59.039 --> 01:28:01.520
about that. That was his son. He was sober, he was so

1166
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:08.600
mortified when he lost his HM.
That's right, that's because Damon's manipulation.

1167
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.880
He said, well, then me
wrong. Vanera said yes to him to

1168
01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:15.159
Venera is as much fault. But
Damon's like such a conniving asshole too,

1169
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.439
you know you wanted to get his
grubby hands. Well, he's he feels

1170
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:21.000
wrong the whole time, from day
one, from thinking, from having Ranera

1171
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:27.319
be considered the next heir when he
should be there, right, such an

1172
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:33.000
asshole, and then the Servius's kids
are Veneres, Eggon and Scarface, and

1173
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:36.399
I think there is another one.
I think there's two more, just two

1174
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:39.840
girls. I think I forget.
We've seen them, you know, we've

1175
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:44.119
seen them all, we haven't.
We haven't seen Darren yet. He is

1176
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:46.239
an old town I think we haven't
met him yet. He has his own

1177
01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:48.720
dragon. We haven't met him at
all. Okay, I think you're gonna

1178
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:51.039
meet him because they mentioned them last
episode, So you think you're going to

1179
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:55.199
meet him in this season. I
just don't know one cool okay, Yeah,

1180
01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:58.159
so I expect some cool stuff him. Do you remember the last season

1181
01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:05.239
the he was the Salt King?
Remember the Salt King? He he was

1182
01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:10.399
like half Mond, literally like half
monster. I think about the crab Feedter,

1183
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:14.000
Yes, okay, didn't is need
the salt King? Isn't that what

1184
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:15.199
they called them? Is that what
they called him? Maybe you're right.

1185
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:20.000
I thought I called him the crab
Feeder. That's someone with Damon just solo

1186
01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:25.760
sim in that cave. He kills
that dude was cool, Like we need

1187
01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:28.800
to bring more stuff like that back
too. Yeah, so that was good

1188
01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:32.880
Ghostbusters. Yeah it was I would
try to be fun, which I enjoyed.

1189
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:38.439
Fanfare was great, right, I
tried to have fun. Uh,

1190
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.319
but honestly, I forgot most of
the movie. Yeah, I'm over it.

1191
01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:45.720
I cannot stand the girl who's the
main character. Oh, antly,

1192
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:48.359
I just she just I just did. I mean, I didn't. She

1193
01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:50.880
sucks. I didn't love or hate
her. So yeah, she's like,

1194
01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:57.199
yeah don't. I just can't stand
her. She's just not a good lead

1195
01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:00.399
lead. Yeah, there's just so
many anyway, So we went to the

1196
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:03.039
movies for that one. What was
some of the fan fair, Like,

1197
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:06.680
god, memory is terrible in these
days. Did you see a spider movie?

1198
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:11.680
No, you heard of it?
Oh, yeah, it's on Uh

1199
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.880
is that the one that's on shutter
right now? Might be both on there?

1200
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:17.319
So there's so it was great.
So I saw a sting came on

1201
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:21.760
theaters like two months ago. Okay, it's about little girl who finds a

1202
01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:26.720
spider a black widow and it grows
takes over the apartment, right, and

1203
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.720
it grows huge, like it's like
an alien spider or something. I didn't

1204
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.319
love that movie because I feel like
it could have gone way further and it

1205
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didn't. It felt like it was
trying to be PG. I'm like bitch

1206
01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:39.039
with the horror. God damn it. And I saw a French movie also

1207
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:42.720
on shutter check it out. It's
called Infested. Yeah, that's it's one

1208
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:45.199
of the main things on shutter right
now. Yes, have you seen that,

1209
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:47.520
dude? No, it's so good. It makes you feel like they're

1210
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all over you. She's like,
I'm not watching dude, watch it.

1211
01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:53.600
I thought of YouTube because you're so
scared of him, but like, oh,

1212
01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.479
come on, watch it, dude. We were we had nothing on.

1213
01:30:56.640 --> 01:30:59.319
We were totally bored. One day
there's a scene that's like a hallway

1214
01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:01.119
full of all of them rolling everywhere
and they have to go through it.

1215
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:04.960
And it was like, yes,
like I want this mon No, and

1216
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:08.479
Katie she's pretty much down for it, and she's like, I'm not watching

1217
01:31:08.520 --> 01:31:11.279
it. Yeah, no, No, we haven't seen it. But how

1218
01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:14.399
was the other one? What was
the other one? The other thing is

1219
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:16.960
the American one? Like I said, I just watched the one further.

1220
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:20.520
It wasn't. It didn't for me. It didn't do it. And I

1221
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:24.560
mean it has some cool scenes,
but it just it just it just tried

1222
01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:29.880
too hard. No, No,
maybe one time Infested that though No,

1223
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:32.840
it looks looks Infested is fucking good. And those are just regular spiders.

1224
01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:39.600
We're not regular. They get up
to this much better. What else