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at me here, laughing at my You always get me. Yes, Yeah,
I try. I just wing them, you know, the talent.
Well, how are you tonight? I'm good. I'm excited because we're going
across the pond for today's show, which is it's going to be interesting,
definitely some interesting cases. I know that you're going to start off though.
It's really interesting information and news and updates about what you've been doing. Yes,
on this side of the pond. Just got back a couple of weeks
ago from the Big mouf On Symposium in Cincinnati, and they really did a
great job. I mean, kudos to Moufon. There was I think about
five hundred people there and it was actually at the North North Kentucky Convention Center
in Covington, and everybody was staying in the Marriot and you go through one
of those little sky walks to the convention center, so you didn't have to
go out in the one hundred and eleven heat index, which was nice.
But some great people. I got the pleasure of meeting the National Director of
Brazil, Chiago Chichetti. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Great guy.
In fact, I just did his show last night. I think we need
to have him on a lot of cool things going on in Brazil. Eric
Tessier Tessier, I hope I got that correct. He's now the new Canadian
director of moof on. Great, great guy, excellent stories. And of
course you know our very own state director, Christoperno was their best state director
ever. So it was it was good to see. Definitely a shout out
to our good friend Chris. Yes, so it was good to see.
So it was just great. And you know, then the other five hundred
people who had great stories, and one of them just blew me away.
So I want to start with that. This really cool older gentleman Ray who
only lived a few miles away he in Kentucky, told me about a case
from nineteen ninety nine. Now he had never reported this He's like, well,
who am I going to tell? He had he talked about it amongst
the people it happened to, but I was basically the first one. He
was reporting to me. Well, you're interested? What are you kidding me?
So we're going back to nineteen ninety nine Beatyville, Kentucky. He's having
a family reunion. One hundred and nineteen people. That's just like a typical
lunch for the wardens, right, I mean, that's it. Oh,
that's yeah, that's lunch. That's not typical day of the week for most
people. That most families, that's a that's a lot. So you know,
they're all in this big field and just having a good time, and
at six pm people everybody starts looking up and his wife says to him,
is that what I think it is? And so he looks up and he's
like, yep, that is that is not something normal. He said.
It was a disc at least the size of an aircraft carrier, but rather
than being horizontal like we're used to the descriptions, it was on its side,
like if you were holding a shield. And I thought, wow,
that's that's on. People have glimpsed to that, but this was a very
prolonged sighting, and I said, you know, I've just never heard of
such a prolonged sighting of a disc, you know, on its side like
that. But we'll get to that store that away. That's kind of come
back shortly. So they're looking at this for five minutes, ten minutes,
fifteen, it's just it's just hanging there. So he's cousin who was kind
of the official photo taker for the reunion with his thirty five millimeter cameras,
and maybe we should pause while the younger people look up thirty five millimeter cameras
and a film and one hour photo developing and things like that. They're thinking,
now, are you sure this wasn't eighteen film? So is cousin sitting
on the back of a pickup truck with all his cameras around him, and
Ray goes and sits next to him and says, why don't you take a
picture of it, and like terrified, the cousin quickly replies, my cameras
won't take a picture of that, and he's just freaked out. And Ray
suddenly feels this fear and he's like, oh, oh yeah, you're right,
your cameras won't take a picture of that, which makes no freaking sense.
It's you know, now he can't understand why did he even say that?
But I know we've mentioned other cases, and I could do a whole
show on people who want to take a picture and something in their head tells
them, no, no, it's too dangerous to take a picture. You
can't do that. They're like messing with you. So here's two grown men
freaking out. We can't possibly take a picture of that. So he was,
he said, he was the most excitable of everybody, like what is
this? What should we do? And everybody else is kind of looking at
it. Okay, that's cool, like way to mellow. This was Kentucky.
We have to you know, Brian known for its whiskey there in Kentucky,
isn't and it's delicious. Okay, so maybe that has something. We
have to include that as the possible subduing force. But I think it kind
of went beyond that. Thirty solid minutes, this craft hung there and then
it's six Just at six thirty, boom, it was gone, And he
said, everybody went back to what they were doing like nothing had happened.
Nobody was talking about it. However, come that Christmas, they're all getting
together, and he said, suddenly it was all everyone was talking about.
And every time they've gotten together for the last twenty four years, that's all
everybody talks about. But at the time, it was like, Okay,
it's a massive craft, the size of an aircraft carrier hanging in the sky.
It's just it doesn't make sense by normal standards. People's reaction to it.
And even now he's like, well, why bother reporting it? So
you know, I said, well, you're reporting it to me, which
is great, I said, but Kentucky moofon ought to know about it.
Anybody who's researching Kentucky or disc shaped craft on their side, or mass sightings
or nineteen you know, summer of nineteen ninety nine. It's important. So
if you're out there and you have a story and you think nobody's going to
be interested in it, there are there are geeky people like me, you
will be very interested in it. So that and that just blew me away,
that that story and just can I run with something real quick? Please
make you make an excellent point there, because how many people don't report things
so individually. It's a single encounter. Yeah, it could be very transformative
to the person having the encounter. But it's a single encounter which may mean
little on the you know, until the big pictures look at when you have
twenty thirty forty over a given period of time, like the Hudson value wave.
So you know, yeah, you may think it was an isolated incident
maybe to you, but unless you report it, that's not We can't figure
out where the trends are. You can't find those patterns. So it's very
important. Even if you think it's insignificant, you know, it may be
an important piece of information to a researcher out there to put some pieces to
the puzzle together. So yes, yeah, exactly. So everybody out there,
you listen to Mike and you go, you go report your your story
at least write it down or you know people so I can't write, well
you can talk, so record it records your case. So it's you know,
future researchers can. In most smartphones you can do like those voice notes
where you talk in it converts it the text. Just tell a story like
you were telling anywhere you go, like, hey, this is what happens.
Don't worry about the grammar. You're not don't worry about that. Just
get it out there, like before you forget or before you know, get
it recorded, document it with somebody who's doing research or that can memorialize it
for the future. You may be the missing you may be the missing link
or have the missing link of information. I never know, absolutely, so
we will jump into the UFO hot spots of the UK, I guess,
but we should probably take our first break, so we will be right back.
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back, Linda, ready to put our jet packs on and shut on all
across the pond. A little inside joke there from tonight. But I'm interested
in this topic because often when it comes to the UK, we hear about
a few very select incidents, like the rentals Forrest incident, which is I'm
sorry, we're not allowed to mention Randelsham. It's been used way too many
times. No Randelsham on this show. No, that's what when people think
about the UK, what's their mind always got? Oh Randelsham, Randelsham,
randels it's on everything. But yes, that's just you know, there's so
much more than that. Yeah, I mean it's a fabulous case. Don't
don't get me wrong, But yes, there it is in the same time
frame that we're gonna be talking about later and the show, so that it's
interesting to me. Oh, you're gonna sneak it in. I know it
a little. We'll get to it, okay. So before I left on
the symposium, I had scribbled some notes of you know, these places I
wanted to talk about. I had taken some, and one of them I
didn't. I just wrote down the village of Bonsall, which is in the
Darbyshire Dells and charming, supposedly lots of cool looking cottages and of course pubs.
Everything has to have a pub or two or five. But I didn't.
I didn't flesh out the notes. And so remember about that that big
disc that race on the other one hundred and eighteen people in Kentucky holding it
like, you know, like it was a shield, And I'm thinking,
I've never heard of that. So this is how freaking weird my life is.
Because I come back from the symposium like a day or two later,
I'd start taking the notes and guess what shows up in the village of Bonsall.
Yes, a sideways aircraft carrier. You got it. Okay. So
it's two thousand and one and Sharon Rowlands sees something over near her property and
she's watching it, and she's watching it and for minutes, and she runs
in and gets her cam quarter and actually films it. This is a case
where somebody they're not afraid to film it, they have the wherewithal to get
their camcorder. They film. It's a disk with colored lights, but rather
than sitting flat horizontal, HiT's sitting up on its side. So this is
with it, you know. So in my mind, I'm saying at the
symposium, gee, I've never heard of a you know, a prolonged case
where a disk is up on its side. So, of course, seventy
two hours later, I'm home writing about this woman seeing this disc. How
can I not do what I do when my life is so weird? Exactly
so, this craft was silent, It was so low she thought it might
actually land. And then she said she described him as engines engine. She
didn't know what to say. Two pulsing engines on either side of the craft
started doing something and the craft just blinked out and was gone. So she
actually showed this NASA was I don't know what NASA was doing in England.
Maybe they've I don't know, they have an office there, they have something.
Somehow they contacted each other and they actually reviewed the cam quarter footage and
they said they can't say what it was, but it was not a weather
balloon. It was something made of metal and it didn't seem to be conventional.
So that's that's from the lips of NASA in two thousand and one when
they really didn't want to talk about such things. So before she contacted NASA,
she she didn't tell anyone because I love this, you know, in
her own inimitable style, she said, well they'll they'll think you Bonkas,
won't they. So she didn't talk about it. But a week later somebody
else here we go, you don't report it. Well, somebody else had
seen it and took a photo, and that photo was in the newspaper.
You can look that up. Bonsle UFO b O N S A L L
And it kind of looks like a series of concentric circles on a disc shaped
object on its side, you know, was it a hoaxt photo. I
don't know the provenance of the photo, but the newspaper published it, and
then she decided. At that point, you know, once you realize you're
not the loan nut, you feel more confident to talk about it. So
I tried to track down that video. I figured by now it's all over
the internet and I couldn't find it. And in a somewhat res an interview,
she says, no, it's locked in a vault and I'm not showing
anyone. I'm like, well, that's weird. There is some rumor she's
not showing anyone because she sold it to a Hollywood producer for twenty thousand pounds.
I don't know. I'm just saying, what you know, it just
doesn't make sense if she was willing to talk about it, showed it to
NASA, but now she won't show it. Maybe because she doesn't have it,
I don't know, but but very cool. You can see the photo
though. Farmers throughout the area will be working in their fields and suddenly a
bright light will engulf them, which is net for a good thing. They
see silver shapes, they see bright lights that turn green, They see rotating
beams of light. They see balls of fire. And this is one of
my favorite. One farmer I think it was a farm. No, it
was a man out walking his dog. And there's this sudden pink glow in
the sky. And there's a craft, he said, which looked like a
vertical shoe box. Not the most narrow dynamic of craft. No, not
not not a typical observed object, No, No, very rare. The
rectangles and squares, I'm very interested in them. So of course, the
local hotels getting guests from all over who want to go on UFO tours,
and so they were providing that. But I loved this. They installed a
hot tub overlooking the valley for skywatchers. That's my idea of skywatching. Get
a nice beverage, getting the hot tub, and if you don't see UFOs,
who cares? If you do, exactly great, And it's a good
reason to keep going back every night. That's right, you know. So
yeah, so next time either of us are in the UK, I think
we need to go to Bonsall and reserve that hot tub. The other thing
I had to bring it up. The other claim to fame, other than
being a UO hot spot, it is the World hen Racing Championship location.
Did you say, did you say hen racing in racing, Yes, as
opposed to rooster racing, because that would probably break out into a bloody cock
fight. So they exclusively use hens every August. You can bring your own
hen, or you can rent one for five pounds. And you have to
watch this video from the twenty twenty two championship. There's the They have these
barricades up a thirty foot long course, screaming people all around, and people
are in the end holding their hands and they're like one, two, three,
go, and they let the hens go, and the hens kind of
stand there and wander around a little pick the ground. Occasionally one actually runs.
The championship time is three seconds because that hand just took off, but
they said usually it takes a lot longer because apparently hens lack of focus.
And then the winning owner they get a bag of meal worms and a trophy.
So I mean, good for the hen they get, they get their
extra snack there, I mean for running that whole thirty feet or walking slowly
and just happening to stumble over the finish line. So here we have two
ideal reasons to go to the village of Bonsall. So UFO watching. If
you go in August, you can rent a hen and maybe win a bag
of meal worms, although that would be very interesting to bring back through customs.
So that that is the village of Bonsall. Uh pretty cool, right,
Yeah, I'm not sure what's more interesting the hen racing or the UFO
fightings. I'm torn about this one, and you're lacking focus, like a
head now worn by that. But no, it's it's definitely interesting. The
fact that how it's described the objects being seen in that area. I think
it's I think we need to do boots on the ground at some of these
places. Oh, we really do. It's, you know, such a
variety of craft by so many different people, and this is just a small,
little, you know, quaint little village. Why Bonds. It's like
people always say, why Pine Bush? Why the Hudson Valley? I have
no idea. And Rowlands is my my paternal grandmother's maiden name, so it's
a Welsh last day well at least her family was Welch from Wales. Maybe
you're related, all right, anybody that's in bon Sol, would that last
name reach out to me? There you go, we could be cousins here,
Yeah, do an ancestry yep, cousins from an alien mother. So
we have another UFO hot spot. Should we take our second break or do
you want to dive in your your choice? Maybe let's do the second one,
then we'll take our second Okay, okay, all right, I'm sorry.
No hens are involved in this. Next I'm out of here. I'm
sorry, but I know I'm out of here. We are going to bonnie
Bridge Sky. Bonnie Bridge is a small town. They call it now the
bonnie Bridge Triangle because anytime anything how come, we don't call it the pine
Bush Triangle or the Hudson Valley Triangle. I think we just did. Can
we coin that? Yeah? Trade market, we trade market, Okay,
Hudson Valley Triangle. It's near fall Kirk. If you know that area,
it is known or they call themselves the UFO Capital of the UK, And
I admit I had not heard of bonnie Bridge before, but so much has
gone on. It really kind of started around nineteen ninety one, not that
things didn't happen before, but it really picked up, which again kind of
reminds me of pine Bush. You know, the heyday was in the nineties.
So in the area there's about one hundred and seventy five thousand people,
sixty thousand of them have been witnessed to something unusual the village. The village
itself only has five thousand people, so that's an astronomical number of witnesses.
Yes, which it's almost half, it's approaching half. Yeah, and that
doesn't say that they've only seen one thing. They could have had. Some
of these people have witnessed things four or five times, so but they're considered
a witness. So it really is an enormous amount. And again everybody says,
why bonnie Bridge, We don't know. There's one man who said his
brother came running in the house and said balls of light were chasing him.
Yeah, okay, sure, so he goes outside. Well, I'll be
damned there are balls of light swirling around in like figure eights and silently making
all these you know, bizarre motions that conventional craft can't. There was a
case November twenty third, nineteen ninety six where they see something in the sky
again and it turns out to be two balls of lights doing aerobatics that's so
not just hanging there, actually like intelligently controlled maneuvers. And they hear they
don't hear anything from the balls of light, but they hear some helicopters approaching.
Unmarked helicopters start trying to chase these balls of light, which is you
know, futile, because they said it was like a cat and mouse game.
You know, the helicopters are approaching, they take off this way,
they filed. They were just they were just toying with them. There's a
case of John Wilson who was with a bunch of other people and they see
these bright balls going up and down and sideways and shooting off and coming back.
They were just mesmerized. His daughter was standing next to him, and
I loved the description. She was gripping his arm tightly. She was kind
of freaking out because you have no frame of reference, right, what are
these things doing? They watched it for fifteen to twenty minutes, mesmerized,
and they've got video of it and you can see it online of these you
know, balls of light doing I you know, I don't know what.
And he just said, nothing moves like that. And he also said,
if you were to watch the whole video, because there's a lot of swearing
on there because everybody's like, what the blank are we looking at oh my
blank, what is at? Which is genuine reactions? Right? Absolutely,
it's not filtered. It's not you know, thought of it's not you know,
someone hasn't sat there and put thought into what they're going to say.
This is happening and they're reacting. That's genuine. That's the kind of I
witness testimony. You'd like to hear, absolutely like this. Yeah, So
there were dozens and dozens of sightings within a six month period that year.
Triangles again, the balls of light, cigar shaped craft, some of them
tilted upright again, come on, what's going on? That's very unusual,
and still to this day they have about three hundred per year, which you
know, for a village of five thousand in a small area, it is
really is really remarkable. So, Brian, I think you need to pay
particular attention to this since you are currently on a road trip and this involves
people suddenly finding themselves places they didn't drive. So hopefully this will oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, he's got thumbs up. He wants to be someplace.
If you get abducted, you call me right first, do you start
recording, then you call me. So we are going to the Army Camp
of Culti Braggin Training Camp, which is not far from bonnie Bridge Cadets Sue
under Hill and David Hardy. It's August eighth, nineteen ninety three. They
were supposed to be driving to this Aberfoyle Visitors Center. The roads are not
you know, small little country roads. It's about a forty minute drive and
they're supposed to be there no later than three forty five. But everything was
going wrong that day at the training camp, so they at a late start.
They didn't get on the road until two thirty. So they're driving and
driving and she switches that she starts driving, then David takes over and she
said she just doves off and she wakes up and they're both startled because there's
a road sign that says Oban five O B A N. They're like,
wait a minute. Oben's a coastal town which is near the West coast,
which is like way way out of their way. They had absolutely no idea
how they got there. So they turn around and start driving back and they
think, great, we've got to go all the way back. We're going
to be so late. We're supposed to be there at three forty five.
They end up a ride at three fifteen earlier than they should have, and
between the mileage and you know they mapped out the mileage, they somehow went
one hundred and fifty three miles in forty five minutes over bad roads. That's
an average of two hundred miles an hour. Yeah, I was gonna say
that's molding. So that is I'm not sure they did that on those UK
roads. Know how they got way way out of their way and then they
drive back in there early. That is that is very, very bizarre.
So that's not the only thing that's happened to these two people. Just two
days earlier, they're driving in the area and they see all these little lights
ahead of them down near the road surface, Like what the heck is that?
It was the reflection of their headlights in the eyes of about fifty cats,
which for some reason, we're all congregated in this little circle. They
were forming a circle by the side of the road. That's a little that's
a little unnerving. I get a nerve when my one cat will just sit
and stare at me for a couple of seconds. Yeah, somebody said there's
a fault line there, and maybe there's some magnetic fields they're drawn to.
I don't I don't know it, so, yeah, you know, to
stretch of fault lines. I mean, don't you think that would happen more
than I know? So I know it's stretching it. But they're they're look,
you know, you're grasping for you know, and then two days later
you end up in Oban and missing time. So we go ahead two years
and these same poor two people they're leaving the camp at nine thirty pm and
they're driving to the town of Calendar to have dinner at a Chinese restaurant.
They make it to the restaurant, fine, they eat, They leave the
restaurant at eleven forty five. They sat a beautiful clear night, the moon's
reflecting in the lake. They're driving along. All of a sudden, she
says, David, just panics, absolute panics, slams on the breaks.
What the heck is wrong? There's the sign that says Oban five, the
same freaking location that they were two years ago. This was seventy miles out
of their way. They have no idea how they got there, so they
are right. We just like last time. That's not panic, although they're
panicking let's turn around and go back the same way. We'll find out.
You know. Suddenly they do not recognize the road. They said that the
signs look old fashioned. There are no cars. There's no cars even parked
in front of people's homes. Nobody's homes have a car. They don't see.
I know, but I would be flipping out. Then they come to
this railroad bridge, this enormous railroad bridge they had to drive under. Neither
of them had ever seen this railroad bridge on this road before. And they
come to find out there used to be a railroad bridge there, but it
had been demolished in nineteen sixty five. This is nineteen ninety five, thirty
years later, and they're driving under a rail road bridge and there they have
to be in an incredible state of hysteria. And then just like that,
everything's back to normal. There's other cars, the road looks familiar. They
get back to camp. They think it's probably the wee hours of the morning.
The camp gates are still open and they're like, why are you still
at the gates open because it's not time to close them yet. They actually
arrived early back to camp, even though they went one hundred and forty miles
out of their way. I love this case. It's fascinating. I mean,
there's so much to dissect. I know how many cases involved missing time,
yes, but this is a time slip yea. How many cases do
people report going back into time and ahead into time or I back in time
but going The only thing I can relate to is I remember years ago someone
flying in the Bermuda Triangle toward Florida and he goes into this swirling cloud mass
and ends up getting to his destination way ahead of time without expending the fuel.
Yeah, because here you just don't have miss missing time. You have
missing time, but you have more accelerated time. How are you getting It's
yeah, very unusual case. And the nape, Yeah, the landscape is
different. There's a bridge there that shouldn't be there. So so Brian,
if you see a sign that says oban five, uh call us yeah,
FaceTime. So one last bit on the Bonnie Bridge. Here there's a local
politician, account Counselor Billy Buchanan. Since nineteen ninety two, he has written
to every Prime minister members of the Scottish Parliament. He is demanding an investigation,
you know, for thirty one years now. He's like, we deserve
answers all the craft I talk about. Also, people are seeing them coming
in and out of the water where we heard that. There's another invest you
know, nobody's done anything, so he keeps trying. But there's a local
investigator, Malcolm Robinson, who has interviewed people who've seen all those craft and
spheres. And also I have to manage he says. People claim grays have
been abducting them from their beds. So it's like the whole ball of alien
wax here in bonnie Bridge and the best apparently the best placed to see anything.
This I caught my attention because you know, we both love ancient stone
sites. The best location is a place called High bonnie Bridge where there's an
ancient broch. Now, the brochs are the circular towers that are about two
the Tapach broch. It's about two thousand years old. And do I think
they were they're drawn to these ruins. No, but maybe they put the
broch there because that's where things, you know, what they considered to be
supernatural, maybe spiritual. Maybe that's where they thought the guard gods were two
thousand years ago. Because all these lights. So we need to get to
bonnie Bridge and Bonsall I think road trip. Yeah, I'm gonna look a
little bit more into that area, see where it is on map exactly,
and you know, may have to may have to get to the UK quicker
than I thought. Yes, one they go back for you know a lot
of reasons, but I guess this is a good one. Yeah. So
if we if we ever get to do our Orkney trip, I think bonnie
Bridge High bonnie Bridge will be uh a little excursion there. And hope we
don't see a sign that says open five. Well, if you let let
my sense of direction navigate, we know how that would be bind up.
Maybe maybe I'll freak you. See, I know where you live, so
maybe I'll have Bob make up a sign that says open five and put it
at the end of your street. That would be funny anyway. So yeah,
so two very hot hot spots in the UK. And when we come
back from our second break, you are going to blow our minds even further.
Mike with a cop case. Correct, Yes, we are going to
delve into the police. Be right back. This is Hudson River Radio dot
com, your local Rockland County station. This is Hudson River Radio dot com
and we are back continuing our investigation of some interesting sightings in the United Kingdom
and Linda. As as everyone probably knows by now if you don't, I
am a retired police officer police sergeant, and so whenever I see police officer
related encounters, I get, you know, I perk up a little bit
more because I find those tend to be very just very interesting to me.
Because police officers, for the most part, would have avoided making such reports,
especially in years before, where it just it wasn't as popular it is
today. It wasn't accepted, and it could be a career killer. You
know. It could mean you were no longer going to be getting promotions,
or it could mean maybe you're not going to have a job, or people
weren't going to think you were credible. People are going to question your sanity.
So police officers are very reluctant to report things like that in general.
You know, they used to when I was first doing ghosts with you.
You know, it would be kind of a joke until privately, like hey
listen, I had this happened, you know, but because they did have
experiences, but they weren't running around telling everybody, So you know, there's
a certain level of credibility that I think they start with. Doesn't mean they're
always telling the truth, but I tend to believe them a little bit more,
if that makes sense. So we're going to talk about a police officer,
police Constable Alan Godfrey with the West Yorkshire Police, and his story is
very interesting. But in order to tell his story, he has an encounter
on November twentieth, nineteen eighty, but we have to go back to June
sixth of nineteen eighty, So a few months before, there's a gentleman in
the area named Man, an older man named zig munt A Domski, known
as Ziggy, so we're gonna call him Ziggy. Okay, So Ziggy is
a fifty six year old man. He is a miner and an immigrant,
and he disappears from his home on June sixth, nineteen eighty just vanished.
Go on, They obviously start looking for him, concerned about his well being.
Fifty six year old man doesn't just normally wander away, and he is
found three days later, twenty miles away, on top of a ten foot
pile of coals. So he's twenty miles from home and he's up on a
coal pile. But that's not the weirdest part. He was last seen in
his soup and he was found still wearing his suit. However the shirt was
missing, so he's still wearing his suit but no shirt. His watch and
his wallet were missing. His hair had been roughly cut. He had one
day of beard growth, so apparently he was clean shaven when he left.
Should have three days of beard growth, had one day. Now, there
was a lot of rumors ball lightning got him that was one of them KGB.
Now I don't I'm not sure. I didn't see a lot of expansion
on why the KGB would have been after him. Maybe because of his where
he lived prior, but what do you think the coal on top of a
coal pott? Yeah, this is a very This case gave me chills when
I first heard about it. And the fact that Alan Godfrey was the one
who was finding this body and then what happened to him just puts it in
you know, exponential weirdness. It's very you know, talking about missing people
showing up like with their clothes not buttoned right or in weird places. If
if you interested in the missing people. That of course is David Politis Forte.
He has tons of books and I got to meet him at the symposium.
He was the keynote speaker and great guy and but boy, his stories
will creep you out. They just and this fits you know, some of
the profiles. It just somebody vanishes and then you found them where, right,
and under what circumstances exactly? Yeah, and no you can't determine cause
of death. And so this was very weird. But this is not not
the weirdest part, right for poor Alan So and I do I do want
to mention. I forgot to mention that not only was his you know,
shirt missing, his watch, his clothes are improperly fastened. So by that
I'm I'm assuming they mean buttons or zippers and things like that. So somebody
redressed him wrong, right and cut his hair. Yeah, again, it
begs the question why exactly. But we'll move on to talk more about the
police officer Godfrey, who, as you mentioned, was the first there on
the scene to to see him, mister Zigi. Now, in November twenty
eighth, nineteen eighty, there's reports of cattle wandering in a nearby village cattle,
wondering that's a thing. Yep, he responds, And this is an
interesting one because he sees a bright long ahead. It is a rotating diamond
shape object about twenty feet in height fourteen feet in width, and he sees
us. He attempts to get on his radio to call for backup. That's
his first instinct. His radio is not working. So nineteen eighty this is
well before cell phones or any other thing. You had your radio, and
if that didn't work, you're on your own as a cop. So his
radio doesn't work. Then all of a sudden, he just vanished, and
he woke up thirty yards down the road. So he's a vanished as he
like, basically just wakes up. He loses his consciousness and wakes up thirty
yards away. Under hypnotic regression, he described it was missing. He was
missing thirty minutes of time, by the way I should mention that. So
he goes unconscious, wakes up at thirty minutes later, thirty yards away.
So under hypnotic regression, he reported that he had seen a bright beam of
light at which he passed out. Then his next recollection was he woke up
in a room and it was a medical procedure being performed on him by little
small beings and a humanoid. So it seems like two different descriptions, not
just like we normally hear the grays or you know, it's small creatures and
a humanoid. Now there's some of it, you know. I think in
twenty eighteen he said he was never He might have been a dream who was
recounting. You know, I don't know what what the case is today with
him, but well, but he did do a sketch. Yes, as
as he was sitting there. So yes, that's huge. We have a
yes. Is he recounting things or is he trying to change the story for
other reasons? Yeah, as we know that's happened. So again, police
officers, I tend to think again, I'd like to think he was being
honest his first assessment and he had some kind of experience there. Yeah,
and the little bit about not being able to have children. Did you get
into that part? No? I did not. Okay, so chicken scratch,
I could not read. Before this event, he had had an injury
sometime previously which the medical the medical result of this injury, he could not
have children. Okay. Soon after this event, his wife got pregnant and
it apparently it was his and he had a son. Very strange. People
don't usually spontaneously become fertile after a serious injury. So just another level of
weirdness on top of all this. So we have the the ciggy disappearing,
ending up on top of a pile of coal, misdressed, with his hair
cut, no cause of no discernible cause of death. We have his Godfrey's
sighting where he did a sketch. You can look that up. Look up
Alan Godfried's sketch. He made it as he's sitting there looking at it,
then has the missing time and then suddenly he can have a child again.
Yeah, that's what's going on over there, Nightly. I think we started.
We have to start making field trips here, Yeah, field investigations.
You know, so much weirdness, so little time and so little money to
travel. Yeah. I remember years ago they offered I don't remember which airline.
It was a considerable a mount but in retrospect, what a deal.
It was like unlimited travel, like you know, ticket for the rest of
your life, some big lump sum. They offer a few of those grand
or something. Yeah, but the people that I've read stories about it where
people have done that and then just travel. I mean, they have gotten
more than their you know, the airlines would never think to do that today.
Oh yeah, baggage fees. That's like two flights now, so they
probably hate when this person calls, you know, to make another schedule another
flight, like, oh god, not him again. But you know,
I wanted to mention something about some of these sightings. We keep seeing balls
of light balls, you know, they're described as balls of light, and
it just things pop into my head. I'm I'm sudying World War Two at
the moment back in college, so can hear it. I'm going for another
degree here in history. But it reminded me of the food fighter sightings later
in World War Two. They were described as balls of light Christmas lights,
you know, that were following. So again, are they related? Maybe
not, but it's just interesting when you start seeing those connections. Yeah,
the Germans thought it was the Americans. The Americans thought it was the German
secret project, and guess what it wasn't either of ours, right, And
that's what I what I really like about those sightings from the pilots is,
like you said, the initial sightings. People thought, Okay, those are
the Germans with their advanced airplanes, their rocket you know airplanes, and the
Germans thinking the same thing about the Americans. And here, meanwhile, it's
neither side was was causing it. Yeah, and you know you're you're flying
U combat mission over enemy territory. You're you know, your life depends upon
your ability to observe. And so many pilots saw these. This was not
imagination. And yeah, the English and the Americans and the Germans all saw
them. So I just think it's some interesting coincidence that sometimes we start seeing
when you hear about these sightings and start putting, you know, two plus
two together, and unfortunately in the UFO field, it always adds up to
six or seven instead of right two two four? No, no, And
you know, I wanted to just switch subjects too slightly. And this is
something I see a lot of lately online in different Facebook groups about UFOs that
I'll sometimes troll and and sort of lurk in the background in its crop circles
in the UK and the thoughts that people have about them. What do you
think? What is your I think spot here? Yeah, yeah, I
think there's a long history of circular depressions or other shapes of depressions made in
crops. You know, we had one in pine Bush, that we had
one in wall Kill. It happens if a craft gets low, it will
make a depression the geometric shapes and faces. And now I don't and oh,
it's the aliens communicating with I'm going to get a lot of hate mail
from this, but but really bending wheat is their best way communicate. Here
here's hold hold my beer. About the hate mail, I'm about to about
to take it from you. You know, that's been my one of the
things in my reading these comments, I see that all the time. It's
a message, it's about this, and I'm thinking, you know, in
what's seventy seven, we sent out the voyager probes, with each probe having
a golden gold plated record a phonograph for for those of us who remember,
with pictures recordings of Earth and on that. We put the instructions on how
to listen to it because there's messages on there. We actually they included a
needle so they could play the record. Because for those people that were born
after I don't know, nineteen ninety, you know, you had to have
a little needle that went on the record, and you know, forget it.
You won't, you know, slick it up something your parents or grandparents
had. But we did that in seventy seven. One nineteen seventy seven technology
a phonograph with instructions. But yet we're to assume that an alien species which
has mastered interstellar to travel to get here. Obviously they would have to comes
here, and the only way they can communicate is by bending wheat, making
figures and then disappearing. Yeah, well, here's here's a message for Earth.
It's a bunch of squiggly shapes. It's a gem at trick. It
looks very cool. But why why would if you have a message and you're
that advanced, Is that how you're going to communicate in the middle of a
remote farm field? Yeah, your hate mail too, Michael Jay Warden care
of I just go back to that, because it's like, it's such a
common sense if we did it in seventy seven. Now, if you're introducing
common sense into uphology, you're not going to get very You are not going
to get on ancient aliens. I'm sorry, darn it. I'm taking my
ball and going home all right, all right, all right, sorry for
the curveball, but that just kind of popped in my head as we're we're
on the subject of the UK, because it always seems to be so focused
on the United Kingdom, the crop circles, and like you said, there's
a difference between depressions, circular depressions, multiple circular depressions where allegedly craft had
landed or contacted versus elaborate designs and intricate things like that. Yeah, I'm
with you, so yes, please direct your hate mail to Michael J.
Ward. Yes, I'm easily google ball you more than welcome to sends it.
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