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Hello everybody, Welcome to That's No
Metal, your longest running rock and heavy

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metal podcast. We've been with you
for an awful long time talking about all

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things heavy metal and heavy music.
Means we're old as we might end up

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coming across today and welcome to Hyperblasts, which is our weekly rocking heavy metal

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news show, work and be filly
and all the major stuff that's happened.

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Not actually loads of news this week. There are some major things we have

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to talk about, and then we
are going to get into some divisive subjects

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this week while we are at it
as well. My name is Perry,

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and hash with me today, Sam
Dignon Elliot easily. How are we all

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doing? How have your week's been? How are we feeling ahead of today's

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challenge. I mean, I'm assuming
some of that major news you're talking about

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is a certain comeback that is or
anyone cares about right now that that band

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are back. We'll get into it, but yeah, man, that has

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been the highlight of my week quite
literally. Hey, I'm I'm days out

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from Yellow Cards, Slam Dunk,
Bruce Springsteen. So that's the kind of

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like finish line in sight. Yeah, a bit of a draining week for

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me, but the unnamed Comeback Cup
and now is a spur of my spirits.

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Yeah, I went along to go
see Boa is afraid as I know

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you do. All I can say
right now before our inevitable meltdown captured on

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podcast is Jesus Christ. That Yeah, like I like for all, It's

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like I loved it because it's just
no one's making I'm not casting judge what

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it's quality with that. I'm just
saying, how has that movie been released

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fucking in cinemas? Why God Bless
marr Asta. That is a topic for

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another day, but that has been
in my mind. We are going to

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be basing this episode primarily around an
album discussion, but before that, we

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do have sort of a mini review
to do because also released last week on

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Friday the nineteenth, was Ghost's latest
covers EP entitled Phantomime. When they run

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out of like Spectral Puns, the
world will be worse off place. But

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I thought, now is the moment
to actually talk about, you know,

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the five tracks on offer and how
we feel about them. Obviously, this

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is different from the last time they've
did one of these things, because I

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think fair to say most of us
remember Pope Star for the presence of a

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little track called square Hammer. Really
enjoy the covers that are on that EP.

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But when you think about pop Star, you think, oh, yeah,

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the EP that had, like prior
to the intervention of TikTok last year,

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their biggest song on it. This
is five covers. So in a

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way it feels a little bit less, you know, kind of like it's

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going to have any sort of fate
of the band or whatever around it,

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but it's just some bonus extracal stuff
for us to talk about. I think

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ten years on from I mean infestis
AmAm turned ten not long ago, but

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around the same time as that was
when we had the if you Have Ghosts

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EP, the first COVZP they did, and I think the ten year gap

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between those two things. You can
see the change in ghost on those two

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collections of covers, right because it's
no longer you know, shadowy kind of

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armor Maryannick whatever that we had there. Instead the phantomime EP in the songs

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it's chosen and how it goes about
them is all bright lights, jazz hands.

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Yeah, this again, this is
like where like the at last album

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was dripping it says, this has
carried that over. This is so just

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like maximal list like charge up yeah, jazz hands, like full on theatrics

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and camp and it's just so like
larger than life. Yeah, I know,

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about as big as it gets.
And you cover them on the if

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you have Ghosts EP. But I
don't know, there's something is still about

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sort of shadowy, eerie about a
lot of others stuff that you don't really

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get there with Tina Turner or Genesis
and even the stuff here which maybe is

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a bit more sort of shadowy and
Darla Stranglers and Television even Ghosts doing it,

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ghost doing it this time around.
They managed to make them sound like

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the Scorpions or something, Yeah,
like Television and Genesis and stuff a bands

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that don't mean an awful lot to
me personally. But I'm always I think

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we spoke about the track list of
this when it was announced, and I'm

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always excited to hear ghost cover songs
that maybe I don't have that lunch familiarity

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with anyway, just because I know
there's gonna be something cool going on.

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And See No Evil, which the
television song, that hooky guitar line is

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like perfect for them. It feels
like it sets up the EP quite well,

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and then you get what was the
single Jesus he Knows Me, which

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feels like perfect ghost fair, doesn't
it. It's like show biz and religious

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provocation hand in hand, and the
way that the melodies and rifts in that

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song translate, you could think it
would just be from impera right, Like

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it's got deaf lappard backing vocals in
it, It's full of energy. They've

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added it to the setlist this week. He can you Know It bangs?

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Yeah, I think that is the
one that the kind that does feel like

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most in line with the album again
because of I think lyrical content and all

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those kind of other little touches that
just make it fit with that album's whole

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style. But yeah, it's it's
a massacre. I think the persons well

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to Seen No Evil that again sounds
because it's it's like See No Evils are

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very like almost like ghost kind of
thing like that. They just fit in

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with the kind of style and effect
the sects of the band, as well

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as just sounding huge and just kind
of big pop rock albums. I think

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the success of the song sort of
comparing song to a song, it's kind

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of reflects with where Ghost are Now
because for me, like Jesus he Knows

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Me might be the highlight, and
that is a big stadium pop rock.

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It's a pretty sarcastic critique of like
manipulative televangelists and all that, but the

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song itself is a you know,
America arena rock arena pop fair and that

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is where ghosts sitting out, and
like you compare that with like we don't

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need another hero, for example.
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more convincing ones. I like Seeing
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of both pretty good, but it
is weird hearing them cover something a bit

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more maybe up choose in those songs
catchy enough, but not not as a

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media. I really one of my
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I think it's kind of how they
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are saying is kind of their strength
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has that kind of sort of like
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Alley kind of cool to it,
and Ghosts take feels like let's give that

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power. And I think Tobias sounds
amazing on that hook, like grape singing,

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They're like really sells it into a
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got those again hair metal backing vocals
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about you know, see no evil, whatever it fits with ghosts, they

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all do like they I don't think. I think it's very careful how they

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do that. They will not pick
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character for them thematically, like all
of this when you look down this,

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you know, the Phantom of the
Opera, Um, you know, Jesus

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he knows me. It's all kind
of iconography that makes sense even and hanging

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around it's got a kind of like
organ hook where you can feel them,

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you know, taking something a little
bit darker there. And I guess that

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that's part of the decision to do
Phantom of the Opera by Iron Maiden rather

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than that any other of you know, number of Iron Maiden songs that they

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could have done, because just on
surface level of what the song is called,

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it's the most ghost And even though
I said when we spoke about the

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announcement that like that again, it's
it's a pulled the Ano era Iron Madeen

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song and there's a real like wirin
us to that kind of original version that

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didn't feel like a natural choice to
me, Like they're more the kind of

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enter Sandman band now than they are
that, and like, again, this

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is and it doesn't have the kind
of dexterity of Maiden's version. It is

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kind of more lumpun But instead they
go, let's just you know, play

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the up the opera parts, let's
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choirs in and organs and that kind
of stuff. And you know, I'm

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not going to choose it over the
Iron Maiden version, but it's a it's

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a translation of that way. You
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I can see where you've tried to
put ghost into that. And I said,

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like, that's one I think,
like, I think that is decent,

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but I think that's comfortably the weakest
cover of the bunch because I again

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I assume mean why they've kind of
dialed up the theatrics of it to make

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it suit them where they can't do
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why I'm more like tight almost like
medic made the sort of thing. But

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it just it feels the least kind
of fun and playful and kind of larger

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than life than the rest of the
covers. And so I'm like, I

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don't think it's bad, it's just
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like, yeah, I can take
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the bunch, yeah, this is
the one sort of least convinced by.

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And I don't know if it's my
attachment. It's the original line, it's

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the one that I'm obviously most familiar
familiar with out of the five, and

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it might be my favorite Iron Made
song full stop. But there's something about

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the performance on it which was kind
of zappsive energy, and you know,

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yes they op the opera and the
drama and that sort of thing, but

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there's basically I think they really well
the whole, Like you know that I

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know that that hook sounds great with
the choirs and the orchestral sweeter swells and

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stuff. But for me, it's
a weird song topick because so much of

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Ghosts identity isn't a bias as vocal, and then for the second half to

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basically be an instrumental it feels like
a slight miscalculation, even if the song

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itself is kind of thematically in league
with ghost Whereas, you know, compared

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to the ones that I thought really
well jesusly knows me. We don't need

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another hero. They're kind of in
their framework. Yeah, they've kind of

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got the right themes and stuff,
but at their bones they are kind of

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arena rock ready things. Like,
it doesn't feel like a massive leap to

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make that change to sort of add
the orchestrals and the dramatic swells and the

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like. So, yeah, Phantom
of the Opera like by comparison. Again,

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I don't know if it's just my
association with the original, but it

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might have to grow on me a
little bit. Yeah, I think what

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you said about because of instrumental passage, I mean, ghost have done great

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instrumental, so like that's not a
necessarily problem for me. I think I

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generally I agree that, Like it's
you know, it's my favorite song on

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this EP in terms of the originals, But it's the Ghost rendition that I

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am the least. Like you know, Peaked By, I think it's it's

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it's decent and it's fun to get
to hear what they try and add to

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it, but it is I think
we're at the point where it's less interesting

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to hear Ghosts doing metal standard Like, you know, their version of meant

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to Sam Man, I think it
was a great story when they were like

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continuing to play it live because of
the kind of charity, you know,

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thing that was going on with it. But like, it's not a ghost

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cover that I particularly go to very
often, right, Like, I'm less

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interested in hearing them do metal standards
and I am picking television songs that I

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have no familiarity with. Deeply weird
to hear someone saying like singing that in

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a way that isn't Paul the end
of Going Grass, but like but he

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says grasp in that kind of very
strange and that is the one that we

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clapped our hands with gliat with like, yes, go on, you should

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do this, which now, of
course you know we couldn't have predicted that

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be the case, but it's colored
with you know, rest in piece to

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Tina Turner, unbelievable powerhouse singer,
And I think that is obviously that's one

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area at least where this was never
gonna match. Like I love to bias

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his voice, but he hain'teena Turner. But abrace like embracing the like absurd

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our ballad heights is something I think
we can all get behind with ghosts because

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like you said, it's the gap, it's that twinkle in the eye,

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it's the fun factor, and you
know this delivers on that. It was

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actually a few weeks ago I watched
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome for the first time,

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which I had no idea that this
was the song from even though she

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clearly says the Thunderdome in it.
But you freshened my mind. Anyway,

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Big dumb organ sound like the Strangler
song the solo, and it is great.

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I think again, I don't expect
them to be playing many of these

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songs live other than Jesus he knows
who they've just added in. But like

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that feels like it's in the wheelhouse
of the enormous Ghost extravaganza these days.

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I love a big, you know, cheesy power ballad. I love a

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bit of Tina Turner. So Ghost
doing that is just so going to just

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speak to me in and you're right, they nail it because they can just

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now the big pop perk. I
loved the last album when it was going

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the most into the kind of like
excess played Darkness at the Heart of Your

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Love. Yet like that's mental,
that's that is mental, because that is

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again, this cover just was like
picking up where they did their original versionment

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kind of gang like, yeah,
you know, we can just do any

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song and make it sound that big, while still adding that you're out the

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ghost the actrict the Organs just sounds
huge, And I was like, yeah,

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gone to bias. He can still
sell even like say, even if

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he's not Tina Turner, he can
still sell the hell out of that course.

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Yeah, like basically what you just
said, like, it's it's amazing

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that we have a band, particularly
Ghost Heritage, but a metal band who

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can cover Tina turn in a way
that doesn't feel like hopeless. Records put

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it out like it's a bias Forger's
voice, like it's funny, he doesn't

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normally get that much code for me
a great singer, but he's a mean

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identifiable and he works both in the
low register and when he lets it fly

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in the chorus, and the arrangement
not radically inventsive, but it supports him

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and that fuzzed up bass just it
just feels good like that original song.

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The original song rocks pretty hard anyway, so you don't have to do all

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that much to it to make it
feel like a big arena banger. But

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yeah, it's a home run for
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of covers. Even it's not necessarily
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one that's going to provide staples in
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way if you have Ghosts, a
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pretty important song for them in those
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but that's just I guess because of
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you know, if they were to
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another hero at this point, I'd
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the Heart of Your Love yet,
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But yeah, it's a it's a
fun time. Indeed, The Foo

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Fighters unveiled this week the the identity
of their new drummer. We've been thinking

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for a while, like hang on, the Food Fighters are doing all this

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stuff. They've got dates planned,
but there's no you know, there've been

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no lineup news. I think it's
pretty clear that the recording of the album

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was done by Dave Grohl, who
you know, handy with a set of

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sticks himself. But Food Fighters proper
touring drummer for the foreseeable future. It's

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none other than Josh Freese, which
is a name that didn't come to mind

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for me necessarily because I sort of
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know, he's not a particularly sort
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But because of that, you go, yeah, that makes sense. Who

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the hell are you gonna call?
It's gonna be Josh Freese, isn't it.

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but the kind of video they did
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out where if you've not seen it, it's the Food Fighters together and a

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bunch of famous drummers just start appearing
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in, He's like, hello,
guys, I'm here, you know,

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doing whatever, And Danny Carey walks
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the groomers and stuff. And then
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oh, there's Josh Freese sitting at
the kit lovely stuff. And then

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they play All My Life Together and
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hard going, aggressive version, which
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to me that Oh yeah, our
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knocking out you know, a classic
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like when they're harder hitting songs.
That's that's a good kind of showcase.

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Josh Frass a drummer, but yeah, like as one of those good I

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knocked in it. But the moment
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sense. I mean I've seen him
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and nineties Dolls and loads of a
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you know, search an adapt hand
that can sort of fit into any band,

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and so putting him in Food Fight
as you go, yeah, total

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natural fit. Yes, he that's
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in basically any band and go,
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like he's been in The Offspring and
the Residence and you know, yeah,

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of course. You know. The
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that was it Rufus Taylor I think
that's his name, the son of the

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guy from Queen Plays in the Darkness. He was rumored to be the drummer,

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and Roger Taylor got asked about it, and his hearts were something like,

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I can't say anything, but that
would be pretty good. And he's

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not in the band, which is
a weird thing to have high for my

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son than what he is currently doing. Boy do I wish he was the

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drummer in the Food Fighters. Then
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Sorry, rufus Id, you're listening
to the darkness, I'm having the

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time. Yeah. I mean he's
so like you're watching the video, he's

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so comfortable behind the kempan out,
sobious, you can play with anyone.

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But he's got real flair for pills
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was one of the things that made
Taylor Hawkins such a great jumm And it

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means that when you listen to those
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but most of their records, there's
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even when the band aren't that great. So having someone come in who can

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kind of match that, I think
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Josh Freeze, you're in you know, you're in safe fans. Yeah,

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good for him, Good for them. They've got dates coming up over the

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rest of the year. I hope
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very well, and I'm sure they
will Hold The Absence another of the kind

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of more popular bands who have really
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They've announced what I imagine will be
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expected album, their third album,
The Noble Art of Self Destruction. I

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hate their album titles, so they're
always really wordy and yet really generic at

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the same time, like a great
fine But I do actually quite like Holy

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Absence. The last couple records have
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There is a single out from it, but I think we will leave

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it there. We would certainly cover
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Holding Absence, And what Sam was
alluding to is something that, like generally

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you, we've kept you on tent
hooks for more than it actually deserves because

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you won't have known who it was
at the very start, because why the

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fucking would you, and the reveal
is extremely underwhelming. But I suppose it's

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only worth saying this because in recent
weeks there's been a fucking train of like

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bad metal core comebacks and so on. From ten years ago. We spoken

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about icy Stars, We've spoken about
a Tiller doing a fucking about that Life

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anniversary tool and the band who I
had, like double whammy right here of

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that, really, isn't it?
Yeah, A band who I had,

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like again, not thought about for
a good handful of years. But the

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dregs of that scene keep on coming. Bless the Fall are returning and they

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are doing a tenth anniversary tour of
an album that I promise you I have

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never listened to. I have never
heard anyone talk about. I have never

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heard its name being mentioned at least
about that life is seeing in my memory

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you had tau it was the last
good Bless the Fall album earlier, Yeah,

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which I mean, like press ex
imagine being Light's less famous husband,

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like come on the Misfits, who's
going back next? I reckon it's four

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today, And like I said to
you when this was announced, I reckon

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four today are going to get caught
up in some kind of scandalous statement about

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the current Florida drag band and will
become a major part of the conversation.

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Again. That's my twenty twenty three
prediction. In the metal core shit stakes,

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and the A's hard. It's a
hard one to beat, really like.

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We will go from there like like
some real like dregs you can pull

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from, but for today and yeah, get them getting quite up in the

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con controversy. It's a hard one
to top. Before we get to the

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main event of this week's episode,
it is time to announce the album clubs

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for this month's round of those that
it's going to be upcoming to the That's

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Not at All Patreon. Last month
we spoke about Deaf Leppards, Pyromania,

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Relevant, We've just been discussed Fight
Star, Autopsy, Comeback Kid, all

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this good stuff. Since then,
the oath Breaker special, we did a

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four hour deep dive into the whole
career of one of the great bands of

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recent years, really digging into the
guts of what makes records like Rayer so

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absolutely outstanding. But this month album
Clubs, following all that up, we

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are going to be talking about the
absurd firepower of nine Inch Nails Broken EP.

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We don't do EP clubs very often, so you know when we do,

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it's going to be a big one. One of the great double albums

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of modern times, Yellow and Green
by the Mighty Baroness, a classic of

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twenty tens emo revivalism, homelike No
place is there by the Hotelier and Nordic

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Black Metal, Black Roll Festival stage
Bothering Satiricon. Now Diabolical get involved.

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That's gonna be coming to petal Com
Slash That's not out for all you good

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folks who support us over there this
week. The structure of this episode is

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a little different, which I hope
will become clear as to why. So

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from here on out we are going
to do the release roundup straight into our

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discussion around this week's mega album.
Last week was our reviews show, so

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we've got a fair bit to go
through that we missed last week on the

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releases. First up, it's a
man called Pony and a record called velveteen.

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This is one that we were eyeing
up to cover and we may still

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well do when it comes into the
next round of doing these, But Sam,

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this is one that you've been like
particularly really enjoying this kind of last

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week. Wasn't yeah like power pop
just in like the most like pure unfiltered,

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like buzzy bubbly, like it's got
this little like late nineties only noughties

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like charm to it, but it's
so just catchy and fun and I've just

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this has been my go to record
for the last week. I'm just going

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like, oh, okay, yet
the sun is out. This record has

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come out at the perfect time,
and it's yeah, super good if you

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if you like you like say power
pop and that kind of things in that

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vein get on this. Yeah.
So there's a little overview of what that

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record is. We will probably dig
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Also last week they used had an
album called Toxic Positivity, probably there on

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another sixteenth album or something like that. They're always seemed to be around the

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Ocean hola scene. I was never
really a massive Ocean fan when it comes

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to like that that school of post
metal bands, like when you know Palegial

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or whatever's coming out of ten years
going to really get it. But I

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did quite enjoy their last record,
and they're sort of you know, ongoing

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fucking telling of prehistoric times through the
medium of post metal. And I think

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this one's got a little bit more
sort of like electronicy kind of goffy synthey

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thing going on. So interesting stuff
going on there. Botanist with eight cell

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on a Trope is a band I
mentioned a couple times. Seem like they've

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been around a fair bit recently,
but this they're kind of a like black

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metal played with hammered dulcimers instead of
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Always cool to hear from them in
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There's Under a Crumbling Moon with these
instead of Us, of course under Recording

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Moon. I think it's on Church
Road. That's Their record is called One

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Oblivion Full Candra Hail the Abyss.
This has come from kind of you know,

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Swedish style melodic black metal played by
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a mad like obscura and stuff like
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It's pretty good. More kind of
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for some more really like long form
dark sludge. There's Radiant and Unissa Palinets

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that I'm going to assume that's from
Finland Bomb from the language there. This

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is a band that I just I
loved the name, so I had to

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put it in. It's a band
called Vomit Theist and a record called neckcro

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Funeral with a k and A,
the Stellar Stuff, Blood Cult two of

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the Unknown Redneck, which I think
from that is a black metal record that's

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using a lot of kind of you
know, banjos and kind of stuff like

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that, a weird, little interesting
mix going on. And Mystic Prophecy and

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hell Riot which Mystic say you probably
won't have heard of, but their last

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record that came out a few years
ago. Go and listen to the song

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Dracula on it. I think it
might well be the campused power metal song

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I've ever heard like it is.
We've maybe listened to this even a lot

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to memory like it is outstandingly fucking
stupid and massive. So it's going to

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be a struggle to live up to
that. But if you're into that,

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there is another one of those out
today today's releases. First up, one

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that we led with in our review
show last week, the new record from

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the Dirty Nil is out free Reign
to Passions. You can hear what we

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thought about it in depth last time, but it's the Dirty Nil. It's

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always a good time. Similarly,
a Mortal's record which we reviewed war Against

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All the second in the kind of
purely demonads led era of a Mortal.

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It's good stuff. Incendiary changed the
way you think about paining. We didn't

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get round again to cover in this
one, but their last record was a

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fair while ago and also one of
the most popular successful hardcore records of of

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recent years. So Sam, is
there like a lot sort of expectation or

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whatever around but Incendery at this time? Yeah, I think so. Like

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I'd kind of like wondered if the
buzz was still there until I saw them

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an outbreak last year and the room
come completely unglued for them, so I

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was like, oh no, yeah, or even if it's been a while,

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people still care about Incendiary, but
you know, just stompy, angry

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New York hardcore with like a real
like political like viewpoint. Really cool band.

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I'm excited for this. Yes,
elegant weapons horns for a halo.

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That is Richie Faulkner's from from Judas
Priest, his band. I've seen the

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Dud's Priest account advertised us a couple
times, and people have goten way to

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It's like being like, oh my
god, did you do the Priest albums?

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Come was like, no, it's
it's this other one, but there

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it is. It's similarly the kind
of old school metal as metal church and

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forget any record called Congregation of Annihilation, moving over to kind of the emo

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alternative rocks fee and stuff like that. AJJ, you dispose about everything,

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Elliot, I believe you've mentioned AJJ
on occasion. Our AJJ kind of still

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are they still good? Like are
they still making records? I don't really

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know anything about them, Like are
they still abound that it's worth, you

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know, checking their records out.
Oh, the last three have been a

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bit. Actually, they've all got
good songs on them, but they've not

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been all that great. However,
the singles for this one suggest it might

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be the best since knife Man,
which is the best one and twelve years

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ago I came out, but they
had an amazing run in the late two

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thousands early twenty tens, and the
singles that's been really promising. So I

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don't know who to record. It's
basically folk punk that's pretty sarcastic, pretty

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funny. If you can hack his
voice, you're gonna be fine. So

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yeah, eyes on this one,
even if if you're not too familiar with

402
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,720
them, because I suspect it would
be good. Cool, and then also

403
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,960
for some kind of newer stuff in
that sort of you know again, Emo

404
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,680
to Rain the Bank, would Heart
Attack Man and a record called Freak of

405
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Nature, pivoting back to some heavy
stuff Leadion of the Damn. They've got

406
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,359
any record called The Poisoned Chowers.
I can't believe this band is still around,

407
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960
Like this is a real blaff in
the path of me. They were

408
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,400
kind of a Dutch sort of like
death metal, but not actually too heavy,

409
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,680
Like you could probably put them on
Toll with Devil Driver or something like

410
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,119
that and it would probably be fine. But they are back with that record.

411
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:59,519
Another man who are back is Vomitory
with about a record called All Heads

412
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,759
Are Gonna Roll, Not just some
heads, all of them. They mean

413
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:04,680
business more. In the underground,
we've got Cloak, Black Flame Eternal.

414
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,559
They are a kind of sort of
you know, goffy heavy metal band.

415
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,359
Maybe you like your tribulation and stuff
like that. There is Speedhore and Visions

416
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,759
of a Parallel World, and I'm
telling you that band are going to sound

417
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,400
exactly like you think a band called
Speedhore would sound. One I am sort

418
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
of looking forward to is a band
called Usnia who have put a record out

419
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:25,519
called Bathed in Lights. They're sort
of a very you know dark maybe slightly

420
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:30,039
blackened Funeral Doom band and their last
record from twenty seventeen. I think I

421
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960
did enjoy so follow up to that
a few years and they're making I will

422
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,119
check that out. Another just great
band name is Flebotomized with Clouds of Confusion,

423
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,119
which I think is kind of more
of a progue death thing, even

424
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,240
though from that you would guess they
are a slam band on foot debt Ulster

425
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:48,720
Bonitska more Krets, which is as
you can tell from that Nordic black metal.

426
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:49,680
I've seen a few people bigg in
that one up, so cool stuff

427
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,000
there. Dark Thrown a compilation called
Full Candra, which is their very early

428
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,279
pre album demo, so if you
want to get even more necro than the

429
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,519
albums of Dark Throne's and a hand
a new package for you. And then

430
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,200
a couple of EPs Monful Congregation speaking
of some of the giants of Funeral Doom,

431
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,519
the Exuvier of God's Part two,
the second in that EP series that

432
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,960
started I think maybe last year,
and then some have put out an EP

433
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,440
called Faith, which is a Depeche
Mode covers EP. So if you want

434
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,559
to hear a kind of like androgynous, you know, sort of maybe slightly

435
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,240
shoegazy post metal band or whatever,
interpretating a handful of songs by the the

436
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,440
great depeche Mode. There you go, and those are the releases that we

437
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:32,200
are going to be sort of skipping
over here. The meat of today's episode

438
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,640
is we are going to talk about
the record that has been unavoidable both this

439
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:44,039
last week on our upcoming schedules in
our minds. Sleep Token take Me Back

440
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,480
to Eden. Their record was released
last week and it's gone massive. Isn't

441
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,279
it like that? This is it's
done, at least so far within the

442
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,839
first week. It's a released Momently's
actually what we expected it too. We

443
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,319
expected it to be everywhere. I'd
be very curious, Like even again,

444
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119
no matter what I think in the
band, I'd be very very curious going

445
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,359
forward to continue to see, you
know, how successful this goes, because

446
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,240
any band breaking down barriers the way
they seem to be is like highly notable.

447
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,000
So I will certainly be keeping tabs
on that. But this is going

448
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:15,359
to be a different kind of discussion
for us because this is the kind of

449
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,960
review, like these individual Hyperblast reviews
that we do for big albums. Sometimes

450
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,640
it's a scheduling thing. I'm just
like, oh, this is just the

451
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,440
convenient place to put it after the
thing or whatever. Sometimes it's let's,

452
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,319
you know, give this a whole
big episode worth of discussion, like we

453
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,720
did with the Metallica one that we
did not long ago. This is one

454
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,359
I'm glad we didn't have it in
our big reviews bag last week because this

455
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,359
is not going to be a conventional
review like that and it would be out

456
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,480
of place. This is more a
discussion of where Sleep Tooken and US intersect

457
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:47,440
because a lot of you either listened
for a long time you kind of know

458
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,880
the deal. If you're like a
random stray Sleep Tooken fan who has found

459
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,839
your way here because you're eating up
everything to do with this band, you're

460
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920
probably not going to like what we
have to say. Their fans having going

461
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,960
generally a bit feral at any kind
of bit of criticism, and you know,

462
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:03,319
in a way, this is more
sort of a conversation with our existing

463
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,880
audience, who's you know, tune
into us every week and know us,

464
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,279
our tastes, what we're like,
what kind of tone we go for US

465
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,119
broadcasters and so on, and in
a way, it's going to be a

466
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,160
conversation about what our role is as
a podcast that covers heavy music, and

467
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,799
if we have some kind of responsibility
to engage with stuff, or if it's

468
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:23,160
really not that serious and we're thinking
about it too hard and we should just

469
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,720
do whatever we want. But I
think that makes for us slightly more interesting

470
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,519
conversation than just us talking about another
sleep Token album. I want to start

471
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,079
with the difference between a podcast and
the press, because I think back when

472
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160
TNM was conceived, there was this
idea that it was to serve as like

473
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:45,000
a direct alternative to your rock magazines
that maybe weren't serving people what they wanted

474
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:49,920
at the time. The biggest flaw
of the TNM format is that the same

475
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,839
couple of people have to talk about
everything. And we point this out a

476
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,799
couple of years ago when we altered
our review format from three albums every week

477
00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,519
two more of a monthly grab bag. Because when you are a magazine or

478
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,680
a print website, you can allocate
reviews to certain people, and if you

479
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,839
are an individual reviewer, you might
review a couple of small handful of records

480
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,039
every month, but the overall outlet
is still able to cover everything it needs

481
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,000
to because I have contributions from all
these people's feeling in all of the spaces.

482
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,720
For us, it doesn't work that
way. Every review that comes under

483
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,680
that smital banner comes from these voices
who are here right now. And the

484
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,599
reason we changed the format was down
to the workload that comes with that,

485
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,559
having to listen to it again at
least three records every single week and formulate

486
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,559
thoughts and so on. But it
also means that we have to have an

487
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:37,839
opinion on everything, and particularly the
major talking point releases. There's no like,

488
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,519
oh, that's okay, so and
so is handling that for the magazine.

489
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,160
They've selected them to review it because
they're the person who is invested in

490
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,799
that kind of music, and they
will get the review that we want to

491
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,279
run. As an outlet, we
are expected individually to talk about everything that

492
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,359
comes our way. I haven't really
had a problem with that for most of

493
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,039
the time that I've been doing this. Heavy metal I know I can talk

494
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,519
about and I can always former hopefully
informed opinion on it, punk and mainstream

495
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,119
rock, and so I can talk
about even things that I just know I

496
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680
don't like as a style, like
a lot of modern emo or pop punk

497
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:11,759
or whatever. I can throw it
to people like you two, Sam and

498
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,720
Elliott to kind of fill in some
of those blanks that I don't have the

499
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,200
ear for. There are times of
like that I have begun to struggle with

500
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,680
forcing myself to engage with music on
a level beyond that I would choose to

501
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:29,000
do of my own accord. And
the direction that heavy music is taking is

502
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,720
something that I would personally be interacting
differently with if I was just a fan,

503
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,599
and there are various things happening there
and generally I can do it right.

504
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,319
I'm not trying to turn this into
like a woe is me at so

505
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:42,079
hard being a reviewer like I love
doing this show, and if I need

506
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,240
to push myself to listen to like
a new hardcore album that I might not

507
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:49,359
have much feeling on, or formulate
some dramatic opinion on a new album from

508
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,920
a legendary band that in my own
time I might have only listened to once

509
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:55,160
or twice. Whatever, that's fine. I can do it. We can

510
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,839
have those conversations. But there is
a wave of bands coming in, I

511
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,559
promise. I'm getting to the point
of this monologue feels like a bit overkilled,

512
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:05,759
but there is a wave of bands
coming in that's really proving a breaking

513
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,480
point with how I as one individual
voice that you know happens to a found

514
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,759
an audience. However humb it might
be feel willing to talk about everything,

515
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,839
and I can think of no band
that epitomizes that feeling in my stomach more

516
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,400
than sleep Token. Yeah, it
feels a bit like almost like teen years

517
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,200
ago, what kind of led to
the inception of this podcast, like how

518
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,039
not continues to go? Like however
long then, where there was this wave

519
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:38,319
of bands that were being well what
was the thing and what led to the

520
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,079
kind of like I don't want to
be engaging with this anymore. I want

521
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,039
to go off and then engage with
the stuff that is not getting the lights

522
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,400
on it. And it feels that
we are hitting that point. And I

523
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,799
agree with the like seeming or not
the only one there is. There is

524
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:59,440
a whole crop of what is very
popular in modern US metal core, post

525
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,319
hardcore or that kind of like what
was the warped tor scene, Like what

526
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,640
we what we would call the warped
or bands ten years ago. It's the

527
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,359
scene that has warped into the Again, forgive the very flippant term that it's

528
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,920
not entirely representative, but the kind
of tiktoksy right that I was trying to

529
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,000
avoid saying tiktong, But yes,
sound, it's just if we say that,

530
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,559
you know what kind of thing we
mean. Yeah, and so,

531
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,240
and I agree with that. I'm
at the point where I'm like, I

532
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,640
don't necessarily Again. The thing is
is I can go off and there still

533
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,359
loads of great, heav music guy
I can listen to. So I'm happy

534
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,720
to just ignore this stuff and let
it and let it play out and not

535
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,880
get too what's up about it?
But Sleep Token have kind of become the

536
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,519
one that is unavoidable. Like bad
Omens, I can ignore them. I

537
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,039
am like, I don't let you
know. If I've heard a bad Omen's

538
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:50,400
soul, I probably have to have
been to face down. But certainly I've

539
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,119
not listened to a bad Omen's album. And they feel like they have been

540
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,960
more targeted and confined to people who
might be outside of the orts of this

541
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:00,960
podcast, right, And I think
it like in the way five years ago

542
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,279
we might have ignored like against the
Current or whatever. We've been able to

543
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,480
do that with a lot of these
type of artists. But Sleep Tooken have

544
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:13,280
expanded into a lot of other areas
that that that are closer to home.

545
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,320
And when this album came out last
week, it's been NonStop Sleep Tooken discourse

546
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,840
every place you look. And the
reason this episode is here is because it

547
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,760
would have been weird for us to
just not acknowledge it at all. Right,

548
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,519
Like, this is without a doubt
the most high profile heavy release of

549
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,119
this year. Like it's not Metallica
or whatever, like we discussed that's just

550
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,239
M doing a Metallica album. This
is the one that's actually like significant.

551
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,880
And if you are objectively trying to
assess where the state of this music is

552
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,519
at, what bands are breaking through, what kind of things might be offering

553
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,400
points as to where the scene might
be going, you cannot pretend that Sleep

554
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,079
Tooken isn't happening. And I actually
don't remember a release quite like this in

555
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,280
terms of a newer band leveling up
in the public conversation to this degree,

556
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,119
because you know, we had Spirit
Boxer's album, but that feels more like

557
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,519
maybe where Sleep Tooken where one album
ag it's not this level. We've had

558
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,639
Turnstyles Glow On, but that's as
much kind of the ongoing life cycle and

559
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,159
new splash. Sleep Tooken have a
million more monthly listens on Spotify right now

560
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,559
than Turnstyle do, and we've spoken
at all of their numbers. My mind

561
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:15,320
is actually going back a decade and
asking is this the new sent Paternal?

562
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,920
Like what se Paternal was there?
Like it turned ten about a month ago,

563
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,920
and a lot of us have kind
of measured it as like the barometer

564
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,119
for success for newer heavy bands coming
through since then, and doesn't actually feel

565
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:30,400
like we've had one of those kind
of transcendence esque moments in the decade since

566
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,679
then? Is this sleep Tooken going
to be that for the twenties and I'm

567
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,639
just not a part of it this
time. It's yet to be seen.

568
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,079
But the numbers behind this are insane. And ever since they dropped the singles

569
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:42,440
from this back at the beginning of
the year, when the Summoning came out

570
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,320
and all of that and the Internet
went absolutely insane, we've known that even

571
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,039
more than usual, this was going
to be a major event. But I

572
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,880
have reviewed three sleep Tooken albums now
on this podcast, and everyone I have

573
00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:01,480
felt more reluctance and dread in me
about doing it coming on this podcast in

574
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:07,559
the last six seven eight months or
so has massively changed my listening habits,

575
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:09,400
because before that, I was just
listening to things that I wanted to,

576
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,000
things that were recommended to me.
Big albums would just come and go and

577
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:19,519
I wouldn't engage with it. And
overall it's been a huge benefit to my

578
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,039
listening because there were things in my
Alms of the Year list last year.

579
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,800
They probably wouldn't have got there if
I wasn't expected to come on with an

580
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,679
opinion for it every month. And
I've discovered amazing things that way. And

581
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,679
even when there's things that I don't
like, I often enjoy exploring you know,

582
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,480
what is it I'm supposed to like? What is it that other people

583
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,239
like? Why don't I like it? Are the things that are good about

584
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,079
it? And often that's heysened by
something being really popular, like something being

585
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,800
the big thing in air quotes.
You know, it's easy to get swept

586
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,199
swept up in it, wanting to
have an opinion, wanting to have a

587
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,800
take, and the only time and
it's weird for me that, like you

588
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,719
say, for a sem paternal style
paradigm shift almost or what could be a

589
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,400
sum paternal style paradigm shift. For
me to be so reluctant to engage with

590
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:17,760
it is very strange. Yeah,
and I think Sunnowning in twenty nineteen yea.

591
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,280
My experience of reviewing this, it
was a total blank slate. It

592
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,719
was like, who are this new
band? What have they got to offer?

593
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:29,239
And then realizing as I went in
on that with no expectations, Oh,

594
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,320
I don't think I like this at
all. When we reviewed these second

595
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,760
album in twenty twenty one, it
was a confirmation of that, and that

596
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,760
was like a courtesy review of like, this thing is getting big. Have

597
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,599
they made any grand improvements to what
I didn't like last time? And in

598
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,159
my view, they hadn't. They'd
maybe even doubled down on some of the

599
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:49,000
things that I didn't like. And
I remember we ended that review saying I

600
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,000
wouldn't review a Bastille album for having
a few Steph Carpenter riffs in it,

601
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,960
which is what that album feels like, So why would I continue to talk

602
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,440
about this? And everyone said about
the live show of it, like that's

603
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,719
where you get it, that's where
it clicks. In twenty twenty two,

604
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,079
I saw it live for the first
time and it didn't impress me there either.

605
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:07,840
In fact, it reinforced a lot
of the negative feelings I had about

606
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,599
the band, and that should be
the end of it. Like I've heard

607
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:13,000
two records, now i've seen it
live, I don't get it. And

608
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,559
that's where a normal person who isn't
doing this would just go, okay,

609
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:20,199
step away, I'm not doing it
anymore. But then take me back to

610
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,719
Eden has absolutely booted the door down
in terms of massiveness, and again we

611
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,000
feel obliged to not turn a blind
eye to it because it would be weird.

612
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,679
But again, forgive the dramatics.
This is sounding so much more fucking

613
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,440
heavy than it actually is. It's
just a fucking album. But I've been

614
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,639
actually quite bummed out about this over
the course of this week, every time

615
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,119
it's coming to him to think about
this record, and it's because it's a

616
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,320
record that makes me question what the
fuck I'm doing with my life. And

617
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:51,159
I think after this this last kind
of courtesy review of Sleep tooken because they

618
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,000
are the biggest new thing and they
deserve that much, at least kind of

619
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,519
confirming those status. I don't know
if I can do this type of thing

620
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,480
anymore, because I think it's quite
as none of us like them, like

621
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,519
for as wildly popular as they are, me not liking this would be one

622
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:08,199
thing. Right Again, I have
a certain set of tastes. I don't

623
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,039
listen to a lot of music that
it maybe exists in some of the spheres

624
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,320
in metal where this is drawing from. I can't be expected to nextually go

625
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,559
along with this. But during the
last couple of years of this podcast,

626
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,199
there have been five people who have
been part of it and kind of made

627
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
multiple appearances on these episodes. Not
one of us have a nice words to

628
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:29,480
say about sleep Tooken. It's genuine
insane. I didn't do that on purpose.

629
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:30,519
Think of all the different things that
we listen to in the different places

630
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,400
we come from things but just happens
dance. None of us get sleep token,

631
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,960
and if one of us did,
I would largely hand over to them

632
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,280
and I'd be like, so,
what's like, what's the deal? You

633
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,159
know, like the way I do
with you know you Sam when we talk

634
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,679
about the Wonder Years or whatever.
You know, if if Alec, who

635
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,880
has been on the show in the
past and had to step back, but

636
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,239
if he was a sleep Tooken fan, I would bring him on for this

637
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,960
episode. If Mark was a Sleep
Tooken fan, the same thing would happen.

638
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:57,480
None of us get this, and
I think that does speak to something

639
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,039
about the kind of band Sleep Tooken
arm and where they might live. But

640
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,599
for myself, I feel like I've
woken up in an universe where Dead or

641
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,039
someone has become the most popular band, and we have to take it seriously,

642
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,079
like it's not even funny reviewing this
every time, because I used to

643
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,920
be able to review Daft new records
from the Amity Affliction when they would do

644
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,960
those like pop fucking pivots, and
you'd laugh at how tacky it was,

645
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,559
And then the Bounds who did it
with care, you could talk about how

646
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,119
you know they used this wider range
of elements to enhance or challenge the root

647
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,039
component of metal music that they are
coming at this from. And that could

648
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:36,119
be anyone from Enter Shikari to Code
Orange, to zeal And ardor to Leprous

649
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,960
to Turnstyle. This whole wide spectrum
of bands from all areas of what heavy

650
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,480
music can offer that sharpen those again
aggressive metal tools, whatever it may be,

651
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,760
by thinking outside the box of what
that music normally is. My central

652
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,480
problem with Sleep tooken. If I'm
going to condense it to, one barrier

653
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,519
that exists to me as a listener
is that they don't feel like that,

654
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,280
and they don't feel like they're challenging
what heavy music is capable of. They

655
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,679
feel like they're masker reading because these
guys are barely a rock band, right

656
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,800
Like, this record is what like
fifty percent heavy songs and then lighter pop

657
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,159
songs, and those heavy songs themselves
are broken down further to like thirty percent

658
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,719
heavy seventy percent pop music most of
the time. At what point do you

659
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,159
start calling a spaders bade and the
knock on effect of that is the entire

660
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,360
emotional way you come out the record
is different, because if this record has

661
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,480
more in common with a Drake album, then it does a cult of lunar

662
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,599
album. At what point do we
as a subculture start going, hang on,

663
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:35,239
We're not actually pushing new rock music, aren't we. We just want

664
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,000
something that sounds like a watered down, more self serious version of the mainstream

665
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,880
just wearing a funny mask in a
robe. And the narrative around Sleep tooking,

666
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,639
like, isn't amazing that rock band
is getting so popular and most of

667
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:47,519
the time, I would look at
a metal band doing the kind of numbers

668
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:51,639
that they're doing, and if it's
not for me, that's fine. Hopefully

669
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,000
it'll be healthy for the state of
the genre as a whole. That's how

670
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,159
I felt about fucking you Know five
Thing, a Death Punch, or any

671
00:41:55,159 --> 00:42:00,360
of these bands that existed in recent
going back, however, many long years.

672
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,519
But emotionally, if there is nothing
recognizable in this to what is appealing

673
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,599
about metal music? How celebratory can
I actually be about that? Because it's

674
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,760
that thing about alternatively losing meaning?
What is it the alternative too? And

675
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,440
I don't like Drake, I don't
like Bastile, I don't like post Mylan.

676
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,760
I'm not going to sneer out of
them. I simply don't engage with

677
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,639
them because it brings me no joy
to listen to that kind of music.

678
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,559
And if you gave me a Post
Mylan album and ask me to approach it

679
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,119
critically and write a review of it, I wouldn't really know where to start

680
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,039
because I'd fall asleep three songs in
and my brain would start dreaming about how

681
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,000
great Death Heaven are right like their
different worlds. Sleep token to me feel

682
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:45,320
like they've built this band around the
idea of genre experimentation, except they've lost

683
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,119
that defining emotional characteristic of what heavy
music is that actually makes it ours.

684
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,519
Yeah. So I mean the closest
I've got to getting sleep Token was Sundowning,

685
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:58,760
because I was like, okay,
this is you know, they've clearly

686
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,760
got something of an idea. So
I was kind of like put a pin

687
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,480
in that and see and so here
it comes back to because it's like it's

688
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,039
clearly they're doing just no technical or
gent rifts with that with that pop vocal.

689
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,440
So I was going like, okay, cool, I'm not super into

690
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,559
it, but I can see promise. And now two albums later, I'm

691
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,320
landing on the same point of view
where I'm like, for all like Elder

692
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,119
Heap, all the press hipments within
this like while genre blending album, I'm

693
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,480
like, but I don't actually think
it's doing any of that in a particularly

694
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,719
interesting way. Again, like the
biggest problem with Salm And because the defense

695
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,119
that seems to be trotted out every
time someone says they don't like sleep Down

696
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,119
and he's like, oh, you
don't like pop music in your metal,

697
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,679
I'm like, I'm a swifty I
love poppy. I'm like, give me,

698
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,199
so that's not the problem. My
problem was Sleep tooken boils down to

699
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,440
it. I think the metal is
so boring. I think that is where

700
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,239
they really fall down as a band. Like, I'm his vocals will I'm

701
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,159
suregantic, but like they can be
a bit of a quiet taste, but

702
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,079
he can sing. There's no denying
that. I don't think the pop is

703
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,719
particularly amazing, but it's a more
realized, more accomplished take than the metal

704
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,639
is. Because I this album has
like two rifts and it's it's sixty minutes

705
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,719
long. I mean, like again, I hope I'm not sounding like the

706
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,519
kind of person at the name of
this podcast is meant to passtiche right,

707
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,519
Like, I'm not throwing my toys
out of the pram around it. But

708
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:22,039
yeah, when it comes to personally
engaging with this and you know, presenting

709
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,519
a review to you people listening and
so on, I was drawn into heavy,

710
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,760
darker, underground music because of the
things it offered that nothing else did

711
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,199
right, Like things had to exist
for a purpose, and it's heavy,

712
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,880
it's aggressive, it's energetic. It
deals with dark ideas in a subversive way

713
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,960
that the mainstream by definition does not, and you can use genre experimentation and

714
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,360
outside influence to challenge and reshape what
that is. This is not a purist

715
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,400
sensibility. No, No, that
that's why I want to double down on.

716
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,480
Is that that I do not have
any kind of like male purist sort

717
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:58,800
of thing here. Yeah, but
like this is totally unrecognizable from those reasons

718
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,719
why this podcast, this why why
I at least, you know, got

719
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,719
into doing this stuff to rave about
music that does those things that the mainstream

720
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,000
does not. I find their popularity
actively worrying in that regard. And it's

721
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:14,280
why I can't just get excited for
a rock music doing numbers like everyone wants

722
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,239
me to, because it feels like
we would be selling out what our actual

723
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,440
appeal as rock music is in order
to cross over. There is nothing about

724
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,239
this that feels to me like us
taking it to the mainstream. Right,

725
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,280
It's concession admitting that the way to
cross over was to do Sooppie X Factor

726
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,519
ballads all along? Like why I
don't think sleept I can getting popular is

727
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,519
a good thing for rock music.
It's that what kind of precedent does that

728
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,400
set and this band make like just
depressing joyless experiences, the way that a

729
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:43,599
Drake double album to me is a
depressing, joyous experience more than the way

730
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,559
a Chelsea Wolf album is. Right. Yeah, I mean, I've seen

731
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,920
a lot of reviews I think we
all have, saying that this is taking

732
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,840
metal to interesting new places, or
that it's more interesting than metals have been

733
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,559
in a long time, and people
who sort of push back against that,

734
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,199
they get this response of, you
know, are you being closed minded?

735
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,000
You're not open to what metal can
be. In a way, I think

736
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,159
it's more myopic to just view this
through the lens of it being a metal

737
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,280
record and judge it on those terms, because this is a weird metal album

738
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:14,440
in the way that a Pug is
a weird wolf, or like if someone

739
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,119
gives you a plate of sushi and
you eas go this is pretty radical for

740
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,119
a Sunday roast. It's like you're
giving it credit by judging on criteria that

741
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,559
broadly don't relate to it. And
when you break the part again the whole

742
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,960
genre blending thing, it's not blended. It's two parts next to each other,

743
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,719
and the two things are pop music
that wouldn't sound remotely out of place

744
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,639
on radio one. Maybe if their
budget for royalties went down, and metal

745
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,840
Core that if bad omens who've mentioned
like not really caring about if they put

746
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,480
this out, we'd give it the
old shrug and we wouldn't mention it.

747
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,800
And it's baffling to me that just
because those things are next to each other

748
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,800
and the guy wears a mask,
which I know people will say that,

749
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,800
you know, you shouldn't. Don't
call it a gimmick because loads of bands

750
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,960
do that. That might be something
we get into later, But like you

751
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:06,159
say, it feels like a masquerade, it's not. It's hard to get

752
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,239
that excited when you have no connection
to the thing that you it has no

753
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,360
connection to the thing that you're celebrating
it for. This guy opens his mouth

754
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:19,519
and emotionally I recoil from it because, like you say, that kind of

755
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,960
you know, just top forty cherry
picking, that this kind of is a

756
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:28,039
warbling vocal, Like I can't help
it. That kind of music sounds phony

757
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:30,559
to me, Like I cannot connect
to this guy singing with a gobstopper in

758
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:35,599
his mouth, you know, horror
that kind of English yawl. And we're

759
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,519
from the UK, right, we're
sleep Tooken are from and we've heard these

760
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:43,119
singers on the radio, Rag and
bone Man, right, and these songs

761
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:47,199
feel formulated to be sad in that
way, not in the natural wall of

762
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,800
catharsis way that I get from rock
music, like a band like arm and

763
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,880
Rah or a record like you know, Rayer by Oathbreaker that we've done this

764
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,239
enormous like our plus rundown in our
Oathbreaker Special podcast, and we were saying

765
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,159
how it sounds like it's almost like
a spontaneous gush of like vulnerable and damaged

766
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:06,639
emotion that's happening there in front of
you, which is something that heavy music

767
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,199
like that can be really advances to
achieve over other forms of music. This

768
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,119
is Rag and bone Man sad,
and similarly, in the progression of their

769
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,079
songs, it has none of that
spontaneity. It feels methodical to an absolute

770
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:22,000
fault, where it is so stilted
in getting from place to place, like

771
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,760
they've written a little map beforehand of
what they're going to do and they're very

772
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,119
tentatively walking down it, like we've
got to get from point A to point

773
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:31,440
B, and it's clunky doing like
start off, you know, somber pianos

774
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,880
a little bit of simp him kind
of warbling guitars come in for the chorus,

775
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,679
and it builds and then you get
to the big crescendo. And every

776
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,800
song and not everything, but that
is a formula, is like a map

777
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,039
that has played out across the record
so many times, and I'm like and

778
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,000
like the first time and I'm like, I can see why this like we're

779
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,559
appealed to people like I continually see
that for the first couple of times,

780
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,400
but for sixty minutes of it,
I really by the time the first time

781
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,599
that kind of that exact pattern is
followed again, I was like, I'm

782
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:06,679
waiting for some actual experimentation and genre
creativity to come into effect here rather than

783
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,360
just piano ballad pop music. Add
the gentle guitar hit a crescendo. Well,

784
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,079
to give them credit, there are
again that was like my major beyond

785
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,039
what I've just already said, which
is my fundamental problem, but on a

786
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:22,480
sort of minutia critical level, that
was my primary criticism of their previous album.

787
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:25,239
There are parts of this album that
do fuck with that a little bit.

788
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,760
Where the Summoning was the song that's
really taken sleep Token to like the

789
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,239
next level of ubiquity this year.
Like again, in my kind of sem

790
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,760
paternal analogy, this will be the
Shadow Moses, I guess, even though

791
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,199
I can't remember the chorus of this
song and I can certainly remember that one,

792
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,079
but I do remember being shocked that
this one it starts with like it's

793
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:45,440
heavier elements upfront, because that forming
of like quiet quiet riff drop at the

794
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,679
end with you know one fret I
got so so tired of. And I

795
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,840
feel like there is a bit of
a fusion of kind of the pop and

796
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,760
metal touches in here, more so
on their old material, which I think

797
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:58,760
really comes out as disjointed in that
kind of stilted A to B progression though

798
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,880
I mean again, first off,
it's still a riff that I heard Deftones

799
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,840
nail thirteen years ago. When you've
seen the Butcher came out like so there's

800
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,519
there's no revelation to it. And
when it gets to that funk break five

801
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,280
minutes in, which is a genuine
left turn, right, that kind of

802
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,960
texture with the fat base and everything
with the few ones in the album and

803
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,280
say yeah, yeah, but like
that kind of texture that is something new

804
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,760
and that is not something that any
band would just throw in. It might

805
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,519
be the individually best moment on this
album, but unfortunately the song has been

806
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:28,199
so a nut that it doesn't feel
like a payoff or a kind of naturally

807
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,639
reached idea on a journey that you're
swept up in. It feels like you

808
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,559
are passively observing and a different color
of painters started drying. And that's how

809
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:38,639
I feel about when they change their
songs, like the riff in chokeholl that

810
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,920
it gradually builds too. It's okay, but it's sterile in that way.

811
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,039
Those kind of riffs are doesn't feel
like it's got any momentum. They're very

812
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:49,199
slow moving as a band, and
they lack any real dynamism. Like you

813
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,800
said, Sam, if you played
me any of these riffs, I would

814
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,360
not be able to tell you what
track they're from, Like they could sound

815
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,199
completely interchangeable from song to song.
It is the same fucking boring, down

816
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,880
tuned gent idea over and over and
over and over. Just put out different

817
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,079
parts of the song, normally around
four to five minutes in, but maybe

818
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,000
at the start before they go and
do something else. But all of their

819
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:13,039
metal feels like it's in the same
lane that we've had for over a decade.

820
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,079
Like you imagine if if bad Omens
did this, if like you know,

821
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:16,239
Tess a act or any tech fest
man did these kind of riffs.

822
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:20,639
We've heard them all before, they've
played either you know, kind of a

823
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,599
bit softly or the same kind of
riffs slightly harder. And then the sprinkler

824
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:30,639
they put on top of that,
I find just stilted and unnatural. This

825
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,079
is it. It's like, as
a combination of things. I don't think

826
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,239
the combination works all that well,
and that would be one thing, but

827
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:44,920
when it's so po faced and ponderous, it just it sets my back up.

828
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,440
I don't know why, but the
whole thing of like vessel as a

829
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:55,599
front man, if you want to
call it that, it's so unconvincing and

830
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,320
uninspiring, and for me, just
like the way you over dates, like

831
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:07,159
completely melodramatic. It has this sort
of like delusion of grangeur to the whole

832
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,079
thing that makes something that is just
kind of a bit dull feel actively annoying.

833
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:15,320
And it's weird because it's like you
don't get annoyed by the music in

834
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,559
elevators. That's why it's there,
That's why it sounds like that, but

835
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,960
having this on I was just like, like, again, I don't know

836
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,480
if I don't know if it's him
or if it's the fans or what it

837
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,679
is. It fucking stresses me out, man. Like again, it's again

838
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,119
why I can't just laugh at this
the way I could just stuff that is

839
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,760
obviously like you know, jamming things
get in a really fucking awkward way about

840
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,159
But the again, I'm grateful that
the balance on this is better than the

841
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:43,079
last album in terms of like heavy
guitars and the songs that are primarily driven

842
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,000
them that versus the ones that kind
of take a bit to get there,

843
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:46,840
Like you should have that kind of
balance between that, and I would give

844
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,519
them that prop their songwriting. There
are songs that do that fucking thing to

845
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,199
a horrendous degree, and I'll get
to those in a minute, but there

846
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,039
are moments where they try and go
for the jugular I think fundamentally or yeah,

847
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:59,800
again the one that it's it's still
just warmed over leftovers, isn't it

848
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,360
like vor and that kind of stuff
I've got coin eyo can It's great.

849
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760
Well, I mean we're getting to
the stage where death tones long term negative

850
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,920
effect on rock music might actually be
larger than Limp Biscuit or any of like

851
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,079
the Bad. It might well be
that not a slight of death tones,

852
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:19,400
but it might well be that's to
take for another I get what you're saying.

853
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,000
The flip side of that, the
fact that they have altered up the

854
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,840
structure of a few of the songs, is the fact that they've kept getting

855
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,760
longer and longer, and that horrible
stationary feeling that this album have of just

856
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,840
like trudging along even when it's trying
to change gears. It's so stilted in

857
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,199
getting there. When the song take
Me Back to Eden switches into its like

858
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,719
rap part in the middle, it
feels like whatever the opposite of momentous is

859
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,440
because it's almost near context us,
right, it's a boring song that's not

860
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,960
been doing anything, and then it
switches into a different, flat, boring

861
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,280
lane. And when you've put that
kind of feeling together with how stale the

862
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,559
metal is, this is why the
indie music sphere looks at us like we

863
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,519
are in arrested development, because they've
got what they've got going on, and

864
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,079
we offer up this It's like,
oh, I see you're enjoying this flying

865
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,440
Lotus album. Well, we've got
something a bit like that. But if

866
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,400
if North Lane were doing it,
and they go, I don't want that,

867
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,159
that's boring, Like why would I
want an imagine Dragon's version of what

868
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,440
we already are doing. This is
just one for you guys over there to

869
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:20,280
listen to and think you're really doing
something like It's it's this playing at being

870
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,920
something else with none of the tact
I think this is like we're kind of

871
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,119
jumping around here a bit. But
the thing where people go, you know,

872
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,039
don't it's not a gimmick, you
know, ghost do it, slip

873
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:34,360
not do it. The thing with
those bands for me at least, is

874
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,519
that they're gimmicks if you will.
They don't really trick you into thinking you're

875
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,639
listening to something else like Ghosts.
I know people thought they were going to

876
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:44,800
be a black metal band when they
first saw that, because those people have

877
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,000
no familiarity with the history of kind
of a cult rock and stuff like that

878
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:50,639
in any perfect sense. Well this
is it, and you know, especially

879
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,079
when you have the law and everything, like, the whole thing hangs together

880
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:58,039
brilliantly, whereas with sleeps Oken,
I don't know what it is, but

881
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:00,400
putting on the mask, having the
cloak no one knowing who it is has

882
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:06,119
somehow tricked people into thinking that the
songs are progressive. And then you listen

883
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,599
to something about the Apparition, which
is built around a three linkin park type

884
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:14,280
beats two thousand and seven, and
it's something I managed to find more contrived

885
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,519
than that. And I don't I
don't. I don't like this argument that

886
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,199
people may wear if these were just
a bunch of guys in T shirts,

887
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:22,960
nobody would care because it's like,
well, it's not a bunch of guys

888
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,039
in T shirts. It's a you
know, being in a band is more

889
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:30,760
than just the music it puts out. In Sleeptoken's case, it feels like

890
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,159
an over compensation. Yeah, I
mean I again, I made my piece

891
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,000
with that, like long ago,
I'm not. I've I've stopped even fucking

892
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,639
thinking about whether I like the stick
or not. For me, it just

893
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,960
comes down to the progressions of the
albums, like the sequencing on this,

894
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,960
Like I already felt that Sleeptoken had
like no place to go in terms of

895
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,559
creating out of the peaks and valleys
because their songs were so mushy and so

896
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,719
predictable, even with the little improvements
that have been made here, where not

897
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,000
every song will follow the same path
when you put it at again the same

898
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:06,199
length of Thrayer by Hoathbreaker, Yeah, that's the sun sticks for me.

899
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:12,800
Like, what same band would sequence
Ascensionism? Are you really okay the apparition?

900
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,679
Do you wish that you love me? Rain and take Me Back to

901
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,719
Eden? All next to each other, that all exist on that same level

902
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,119
of like non intensity. That's not
a sensible thing to do. It is

903
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,239
desperately sluggish and like people always compare
them to death Tones, and death Tones

904
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,800
have never made a record that is
this one note that stays at one wavelength

905
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,199
of the whole they like people,
you know, Shit on Saturday might risk

906
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,519
sometimes, but at least that record
fucking surprises you and like really gore as

907
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:44,159
well, like sure throws you around
and going through this track list like Granite

908
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:45,119
early On is one of those kind
of you know, Drake type songs,

909
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,880
totally unearned, basic gent drop in
it and that's kind of all it is

910
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,800
to it. That leg of songs
you mentioned, Ascensionism is basically like a

911
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,480
seven minute trap song and it's soul
crushing, not in the way they mean

912
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,880
it to be, where the first
long stretch of that song is just them

913
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,559
playing at being one of those mainstream
acts. And something that doesn't get said

914
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,159
enough, I think is when bands
from the rocksphere pivot to doing another genre,

915
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,559
it's not inherently interesting because they are
doing something from outside of rock music.

916
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,079
When rock bands change to do other
things, it is possible for other

917
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:22,079
forms of music to be boring too. And the first part of this is

918
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:27,480
just that, and then with crushing
predictability and mediocrity, some eight string guitar

919
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,559
iff comes in and it's no more
exciting than it was before. I do

920
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:35,199
think it is their best production to
date. There are parts like Aquaregia is

921
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:37,480
built on those kind of like smooth
pianos, like you're in like a lounge

922
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:39,679
club or something. I genuinely wish
they were just that because it would never

923
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:43,039
have entered my ears. But you
know that, And like the funk part

924
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,480
in the summoning and stuff, they
do sound good, yeah, but the

925
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:50,960
structuring of the album is so skewed
into the tepid and the sequencing again,

926
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:52,480
like you know, are you really
okay? It's just fucking tedious. It's

927
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,400
a tedious song, and worst of
all, because they think they're a progatal

928
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,800
band, they take that license to
make that song five minutes long, which

929
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,519
the kind of commercial artists that aping
would see sense and not do that.

930
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,039
It's like horrible, Hey, look, we transcend genre. We've got all

931
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,159
of their weaknesses and none of their
strengths. Like it's the mainstream leftovers and

932
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,199
it's our leftovers put together. It's
just a dull, dull record from a

933
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:20,360
band who feel like they're play acting
at being deep and like you said,

934
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,519
there's no humor and no self awareness, which lends itself to the kind of

935
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,440
deeply unhinged behavior we've seen from sleep
Tooken fans in recent weeks, which I'm

936
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,840
not making the mistake of reviewing the
fan base rather than talking about the individual

937
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,639
merits of the music. I wouldn't
mention this normally, but this discussion is

938
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:38,480
less an album review and more trying
to gauge how we are interacting with this

939
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:42,440
personally as people. This is clearly
not for and when the music feels so

940
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,880
alienating as to why you got into
a particular scene anyway, it is exhausting

941
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,079
trying to engage with this stuff.
Like we've been losing our shit in the

942
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:55,800
build ups this episode at like every
absolutely cartoonishly mental thing that has been said

943
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,679
about this record, where no one's
written a metal coal ballad before this.

944
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,440
The album covers line up because they're
all things that are in the middle of

945
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,440
an image center. And the one
where I started to wonder if this is

946
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,599
some kind of like psyop on me
personally was someone was like, I wonder

947
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,039
if Panels, cost Martos and Aleandro
Jodorowski listened to Sleep Tooken and like,

948
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:19,440
I'm not saying this is you if
you like sleep Tooken and you I listened

949
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,559
to us and you're just perfectly chilled
out about it. But I have like

950
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:27,159
a bit of a peek into the
Swifty fandom, right, and Taylor Swift

951
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:28,639
as well. Right, maybe not
as much as you say, but she's

952
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:30,800
got a lot of hams are like, but the way those people at their

953
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,119
most demented talk about things, and
it's like dealing with genuine children, and

954
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,760
it makes you just want to go, I'm you do you, I'm going

955
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,719
to go hang out with the music
fans who are less exhausting Like people used

956
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,920
to talk about Tool fans. These
guys make tool fans look like your local

957
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,280
crusty just kind of like handing you
a warm beer and then like jumping on

958
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,360
someone's head because dB goes room and
I generally I have no idea how to

959
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:59,519
deal with the conversation around sleep Tooken
without just scoffing at it and carrying on

960
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,840
with my not thinking about it because
it seems so wildly out of proportion with

961
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,320
the flat, mediocre derivative music that
is being made. So this is one

962
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:13,039
of the things for me, is
I am genuineitionalness that a band that this

963
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,760
kind of like middle of the road
essentially to me, like because I don't

964
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,119
think that like a terrible band,
but I don't see how this is the

965
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:25,039
band that iss, you know,
getting people so fired up, so angry,

966
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,119
so passionate about on even a sudden
the fence. Like to me,

967
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:30,440
I'm just like I could just take
a leave this. But when I'm seeing,

968
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,079
like I say, some of the
really ridicts things like I saw people

969
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,840
post like putting negative views of that, and the comments are like raving mad,

970
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,639
like genuine like roffering at the mouth, like this person that should not

971
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,639
be a journalist like that kind of
obsessive reaction and again, like I'm not

972
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:52,360
saying that's all seem ducking fans,
but it is really like I'm like,

973
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:55,480
how is this the band that has
got it? Affects the perception of how

974
01:00:55,519 --> 01:01:00,800
you're coming into something. Again,
I want to separate those are not my

975
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,400
criticisms of the music, but in
terms of No No's summoning up the enthusiasm

976
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:08,559
to talk about it, it is
a relevant factor. My point was it

977
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:13,519
was just like, I don't see
how I don't understand how this is the

978
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,239
band this is the album to do
that, because it doesn't do enough to

979
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,360
really warrant that level of kind of
like passion, of controversy of anything like

980
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,360
that. I think it is a
completely like I say, really well produced.

981
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,840
You know, there's some good like
like as boring as the riffs.

982
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,320
I think like the drumming is genuinely
he I think he's the MVP on the

983
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,559
album. The drum I think he's
always been. He's always been a great

984
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:38,639
musician a terrible band like this,
and so there are cool things on this

985
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:44,159
album, but I also think,
yess it is to me dull, drawn

986
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:49,119
out, uninspiring songs. But so
to me, I'm just like, why

987
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,159
is this what's getting everyone so fired
up when I don't think the music really

988
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:54,920
warrant that. And it's just it's
this weird. This is why I feel

989
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,880
weirdly disconnected from everything that's going on. Well, I can't understand the passion

990
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:02,840
that is there for Sleep Token because
to me, as as I said that,

991
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,920
the songs don't inspire any passion,
I don't. I don't get any

992
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000
emotional connection from these songs. Like
I mean, I'm like to say,

993
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:14,599
I like I need more to you
know, melodic punk music and pop punk

994
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:19,079
and emo stuff that like is all
sold on that passion, on that emotion

995
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,320
of the vocalist. I don't get
any of that from Steep Token. I

996
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,360
feel there's like there is a pane
of glass between me, like just separing

997
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,639
any of that emotion ever getting through. And so all of these things just

998
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:34,239
combined together to make it this bizarre
world where everyone is so intense about this

999
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,559
band, and I'm just like,
but why, I do feel like I'm

1000
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,400
on prank patrol or something, and
everyone's going to jump out at some point

1001
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:45,639
and go like dahn not really,
yeah, we got you. Because everything

1002
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,760
that gets said about Sleep Tooken and
that surrounds it. And this might sound

1003
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,559
dramatic, I pretty much feel the
opposite because it's a combination of things that

1004
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,960
ordinarily I like death tones, one
of my favorite of the band's prog if

1005
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,480
people insists that there's progue in this
ambient music, post rock pop, like,

1006
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:07,519
there's loads of stuff for me to
like about it. But the plaudits

1007
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,280
for this record, this rocking in
particular with this band, are getting for

1008
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,880
being daring, for being sexy,
which frankly, I just don't hear it.

1009
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:20,360
Again, we've been thinking about nineties
now was in a couple of days

1010
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,199
that's sexy music. This isn't like
well it's again, it's the whole thing

1011
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:27,000
of like, you know, it's
hard to be sexy in metal, but

1012
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,119
the bands who are capable of it, like type of negative or something,

1013
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:34,119
they tend to have a sort of
rye quality. But Sleep Tooken are particularly

1014
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,679
incapable of that because like we like
we said, they're sort of pole faced

1015
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:43,119
and humorous throughout. And it is
that bizarre world thing where I listened to

1016
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:47,280
this and think this on paper the
way people describe me. If I hadn't

1017
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,639
heard this, I would be you
know, really excited. I'd be really

1018
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,599
good and I'd be thrilled that a
band that are inspired by progressive music and

1019
01:03:54,760 --> 01:04:00,320
deaf tones and Yadiyada, post rock
and etc. Are you the hot banding

1020
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,239
not even just metal bit in rock
music. But then you listen to it

1021
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,800
and I felt was it? A
couple months ago we did the Very Tomorrow

1022
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,119
album and I made that comparison of
that record feels like a marble house,

1023
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,960
like you know, its impressive,
but you don't want to live in it.

1024
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,480
And I feel like I owe them
an apology because this album is the

1025
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,920
example of that. Like you're both
saying that it sounds good for me,

1026
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:29,599
this sound just like it just makes
my shoulders ache. I can't even explain

1027
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,800
it. It's just it sounds good
on like a purely like it's a really

1028
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,119
well because like whether that sound does
anything for you or whether it sounds you

1029
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:39,559
know, like say polished with an
inch of its life where there's no soul

1030
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,880
left like that, I think it's
anything, but I do yeah, Like

1031
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,519
I said, for me, it's
it's particularly those sort of moments like again

1032
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:47,159
the funk break into something side that
way can go like again texturally that works.

1033
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,000
Yeah, the metal and everything stuff
just does not sound inspiring to me

1034
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:54,280
in terms of how I like the
metal to sound. That's one thing,

1035
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,719
but also again like the pane of
glass thing you mentioned Sam emotionally, that

1036
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,079
could not exist more between me and
this vocalists particular, because again it feels

1037
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:04,760
like it's part of that fucking you
know, top forty pop approach to producing

1038
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:09,039
vocals and everything, and how those
vocals sound, and how again to me

1039
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:15,960
phony and overblowny it sounds and not
genuine. And you know we've had we've

1040
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,679
been talking to people about you know, this kind of topic, and it

1041
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,760
would be weird to not stay tuned
into what like the most popular new rock

1042
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,119
band are doing. And I understand
that, but when it comes to how

1043
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:30,360
ubiquitous this is going to be,
Like I've said, I reviewed personally three

1044
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,119
Sleep Token Albs now on this podcast, and the fundamental problem I have with

1045
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:36,079
their band has not changed, and
I don't think it's going to. So

1046
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:42,280
every time I force myself to engage
with their music because you know, again

1047
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,400
against any other things that we would
have this next two in a review episode

1048
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:48,719
that have again even like bands again
that emotional pain. I just don't get

1049
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,760
it that exists between me and bands
like The Wonder Years and Spanish Lobsungszone.

1050
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,039
It's quite famously so, but I
they at least feel like they're coming at

1051
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:02,880
it from a alternative music space,
not a mainstream music space. And this

1052
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,280
is It's a Rag and bone Man
album with a couple of screams in it,

1053
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,079
and I don't know how the fuck
are meant to emotionally engage with that,

1054
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:13,559
because I came over here to not
emotionally engage with that. And no

1055
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,280
other kind of content creator if you
want to call us that. I know

1056
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,079
people hate that term, but like
no one has to force themselves to repeatedly

1057
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:23,519
review a type of thing that they
don't want to do, the way that

1058
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:29,480
the very specific format of a handful
of guys talking about anything on a rock

1059
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:36,599
music podcast might be. And Enter
Shikari are unbelievably fluid songwriters who make all

1060
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:40,880
of the different things that they draw
on for their songs feel so unpredictable and

1061
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,320
absolutely brimming with like exuberant, playful
energy at any given moment. They just

1062
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,599
got a number one album in the
UK, but there's been no real continuing

1063
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:50,920
discussion around that album. And no
one really seemed to give a shit.

1064
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,760
Like we said ourselves, we don't
really think it's their most mind blowing statement,

1065
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,920
But you put it next to this, and it feels like people are

1066
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,719
really taking what they have managed to
achieve for granted. Grave Pleasures put albums

1067
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,800
that batter this for catchy pop songwriting
and melody and has the apparent sex appeal

1068
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,880
that Sleep Tooken fans always bring up
about them in a way that doesn't sound

1069
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,119
stilted and by committee, and they're
fucking tiny and they will forever be fucking

1070
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,280
tiny. Leprous is the one that
really gets me. They've been doing this

1071
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,320
kind of syn is the one.
Yeah for me as well. They've been

1072
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:26,960
doing this like synthpop with a star
vocalist meets text like technically dexterous progressive metal

1073
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:30,639
thing for years in a way that
for this is totally like who are you?

1074
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:32,119
I'm you, but stronger, and
they are treated like some kind of

1075
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,519
thing that just weird European prog nerds
like like Alleviate, isn't the song that

1076
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:41,159
sleep Tooken wish they could write if
the dude could actually sing like he's not

1077
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,159
chowing down on a big mac And
that's not even starting on stuff that I

1078
01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:48,079
am in under no illusion that they
would compete commercially, but in terms of

1079
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:53,199
like genuinely perception altering world's created through
heavy music. If we just want to

1080
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:57,599
talk about what is interesting and what's
progressive, any number of underground records wherever

1081
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,719
it may be. I can't pretend
to be impressed by this and just feign

1082
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,800
interest because it's what's popular, and
it is a cheap shot, right what

1083
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:08,960
I've done comparing a pop band to
more underground bands who are doing things more

1084
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:12,800
engagingly. But the reason this is
relevant is I think there is a difference

1085
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,560
between enforcing a sense of elitism of
you know, you can't come in,

1086
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,000
this isn't for you, that kind
of gatekeeping, that's not the real thing

1087
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:25,479
whatever, and I never want to
do that, but also recognizing when it

1088
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,560
is time to tune out of something, which is where we come in.

1089
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,640
Because all those things I just mentioned, I think our resources are better spent

1090
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,600
talking about all of those things,
right, Like yeah, that Great Pleasures

1091
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,439
album's got fuck all press. Going
back to the beginning of this discussion,

1092
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:45,119
commentators on art, which are another
really poncy way of saying what we are,

1093
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,960
but like they're not meant to talk
about everything, They're meant to talk

1094
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:54,640
about what you know inspires them.
And I have been legitimately bumming myself out

1095
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,560
this week thinking about sleep Token and
their ilk and how if that is what

1096
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,359
we are going to have to talk
about all the time, then I'm not

1097
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,960
interested in doing it anymore. Right
Like I am a guy with a trip

1098
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,199
to Contattoo or my arm. That
is a band who are heavy, who

1099
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:13,000
are extreme, who deal in those
dark, weighty emotions and atmospheres I came

1100
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:15,319
here to be part of. And
they do branch out to taking influence from

1101
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,520
electronics, from goth from alternative orchestra
music in a way that I find much

1102
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,920
more rewarding. And through all of
that, whatever they do, it's always

1103
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,399
recognizable as being on the same wavelength
that invited me to want to dedicate my

1104
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,520
life to this kind of music and
this culture. And I generally don't know

1105
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,079
what I'm meant to do with a
sleep Token record because it feels like it's

1106
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:38,359
been made for someone else entirely to
hear their first gent riff, and forcing

1107
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,920
myself to consistently feel about it does
feel like I'm being pranked, and these

1108
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:45,319
bands that are coming through that feel
like to my years, they are gutting

1109
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,640
all of those things that make heavy
music the alternative to the mainstream there is.

1110
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,960
These are such fucking first world reviewer
problems. I understand everyone listening will

1111
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,600
think this sounds pathetic, but it's
not good for your mental health to force

1112
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,000
yourself to care about and follow the
trajectory of arts that fundamental alienates you and

1113
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:02,399
it makes you feel like you don't
want to do it anymore. I think

1114
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,479
people can understand. No, I
I agree with you. I think forcing

1115
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,399
yourself to engage is something that you
have no passional It's how you burn out.

1116
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,880
It is how people burn out of
doing this when they are forced to

1117
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,600
have to constantly react and engage and
spend time with things that bring them no

1118
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,520
joy. Like again, I think
you know, it'd be just as boring

1119
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,000
if we only ever, you know, review stuff we like. Yeah,

1120
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:31,600
but at least stuff that feels like
it's meant it could be meant for us,

1121
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,520
right, Like, yeah, stuff
that we think is shit whatever,

1122
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,239
But at least if in some way
it feels like it's been made for us,

1123
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:44,079
hoping that we like it. It
doesn't feel like that. Like again,

1124
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:45,359
look, because I feel of us. I feel like I'm almost the

1125
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:48,479
most kind of like apart from the
drawn out prog shit, I'm the most

1126
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:53,920
most prime to like sleep Token in
where I like Hosier and problems like that

1127
01:10:54,079 --> 01:10:58,359
and have always kind of had the
biggest sort of like tolerance for a lot

1128
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,159
of the technical bands from the twenty
tens. But it just when even I

1129
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:06,079
just isn't gonna go like I feel
like this is so rudimentary and uninspired.

1130
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:10,199
It feels like it's it's really go
missing me. And when I again,

1131
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:14,079
I just see he's a praise of
this, being like how how can you

1132
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,439
not like this? Get in line, fall in line and support sleep Tooken?

1133
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:20,159
I just I get like that.
I just feel like I'm like,

1134
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,600
there's what I mean again, I
don't want to pop a thing at all

1135
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,680
the fans. But when I saw
the one like yesterday which was like sleep

1136
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,800
Tooken, haters are like they're in
a cult, and I'm like, you're

1137
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,119
the ones who are saying worsh about
a dude in a mask. Come on,

1138
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:35,279
lads, bid of self awareness,
please, I don't want to hate

1139
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:38,960
sleep Tooken. I like, I
don't want to, you know, rag

1140
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:41,159
on this band. I'm like,
I'm happy to let them go off and

1141
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,039
do what they want to do,
and I don't have to engage in it.

1142
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,920
But we we've made the choice to
engage in it. And I don't

1143
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,279
want to pretend that I to appease
these people that I think this is a

1144
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:56,359
revolutionary like game changer from rocke Mel
and I'm just like, it just isn't.

1145
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,039
Yeah, I mean, I don't
like not liking Sleeptoken, and you

1146
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:05,439
know, why would anyone like not
liking anything? But I'm glad that people

1147
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:10,600
do have a thing that they're excited
about in a sense, and you know,

1148
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,920
because I know, I know what
it's like to like the big thing.

1149
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,960
It doesn't happen for me often,
but like when Ghosts blew up in

1150
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,199
a similar way on Prequel, I
felt so vindicate and excited. It was

1151
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:25,239
like watching a band that I'd love
for years graduate become omnipresent and all that.

1152
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,800
And like you say, it would
be weird if we didn't cover the

1153
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,680
bands that were doing that, like
at least to an extent. And I

1154
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,600
do think that there's value in negative
criticism, not just because you know,

1155
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:39,239
I'm sure there'll be a lot of
people listening to who feel the same way

1156
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:44,239
that we do, who might be
refreshed to hear this opportunity and opportunity this

1157
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,560
opinion presented. And also not for
nothing, but if you listen to this

1158
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,239
show a week in week out,
and you know we're going to like everything

1159
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:54,399
that we talk about on it,
you could just look at the list and

1160
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,880
go and listen to them and save
yourself a couple hours, like there's no

1161
01:12:58,039 --> 01:13:01,199
point going I'll you know, or
and also it's good for people. It's

1162
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:03,439
good to try things because you go, oh, well, I might not

1163
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,079
like this, but hey, you
know, let's try it anyway. But

1164
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:11,439
at the same time, you do
have to draw a line of the sand

1165
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,159
at some point. And this is
my first time talking about sleep Tooken.

1166
01:13:14,199 --> 01:13:17,039
Then it has been I'll be honest
cathartic to come on for the one time

1167
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:21,439
and discuss it. But for me, it's not necessarily my decision to make,

1168
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:26,960
of course, But like, unless
their popularity increases substantially again, or

1169
01:13:27,039 --> 01:13:32,560
there's a drastic stylistic shift that's maybe
more interesting to us, I don't I

1170
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,119
don't know if there is value in
in two years time, coming on and

1171
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:39,760
saying, like, you know,
doesn't he sound like he's had wisdom teeth

1172
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,000
surgery, Like it's not it's not
help. Yeah, I think this is

1173
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,560
your first time to this is my
third time doing this. Yeah, like

1174
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,720
I've I've run out of things to
say about why I don't think sleep token

1175
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:57,239
are even relevant to my brain,
let alone like a thing that I'm interested

1176
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:00,399
in in, you know, supporting. I think you know, when you

1177
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:01,920
are purely listening to music on your
own terms, if your own enjoyment,

1178
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,039
you don't force yourself to it's not
only like you said, it's not about

1179
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:09,920
this is something I don't like,
So therefore I don't want to cover it

1180
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,560
because we will continue to cover records
that we're going to slam, right,

1181
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,640
like that's that's going to happen.
And sometimes it would listen to the next

1182
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:23,239
Electric Coolboy album, aren't you right? But it's it's it's again. It's

1183
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:26,039
it's the part of the brain that
it feels like it's aimed at where if

1184
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:31,159
I don't even understand why this is
being presented as the alternative, it's it

1185
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,800
feels like a wasted effort. And
you know, we can obviously acknowledge that

1186
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,760
it's happening and that it's significant and
it's having effects on the trajectory of Rotten

1187
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,079
as it going forward, but we've
got zero passion to share for it,

1188
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:48,720
and there are things that we do
that are not getting the exposure that Sleep

1189
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:54,680
Tooken will absolutely continue to do without
us. So you know, this is

1190
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,560
the courtesy review for sleep Tooken because
Take It Back to Eden is going to

1191
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,000
be a massive record. It might
well be a post of what is to

1192
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:04,359
come, but if it is,
it's something that all of us as individual

1193
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:09,680
feel is not only something written not
in on, but something that is antithetical

1194
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,600
to why we love this music that
everyone else is going to fall at the

1195
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:16,479
to kiss the feet of. Anyway, We've only got so much brain space

1196
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,800
and I can't dedicate mine to Sam
Smith knockoffs, like let's keep that star

1197
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,039
metal as an alternative to what the
mainstream rock pipeline is going to sell you

1198
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,279
and use our energy talking about things
that are actually fun to talk about and

1199
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:34,479
that we're passionate about where that passion
might actually benefit. So to finish off

1200
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:39,359
here, the question section this week
was less questioned and it was more us

1201
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,239
kind of opening the floor to your
thoughts on these particular topics, what you

1202
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:45,920
think of the Sleep Token record,
whether we should keep forcing ourselves through things

1203
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:50,319
aren't aimed at us one iota,
etc. Because there are none of us

1204
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:54,039
at all who get this bound.
We wanted your opinion, so here just

1205
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:58,479
to end is a handful of comments
that we got to let some other voices

1206
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:01,680
be heard. Connor Morris says,
I think the new album is really good,

1207
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,560
and people get way too fixated on
are they a pop band or are

1208
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,760
they a metal band? They can
do both. People's music taste now is

1209
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,960
so much more fluid than it used
to be, and one of the things

1210
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,199
I love so much about Sleep Tooken
is that they can have moments with just

1211
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,640
a piano and a vocoda that remind
me a bonn of there, and then

1212
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,319
have heavier songs amongst it that still
manage to sound at the same band.

1213
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,960
But I imagine the contract on the
sound is what makes the band the band

1214
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:23,920
for people to argue every the moment. Anyone wh listens to Ghost shouldn't criticize

1215
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,359
the gimmick. I reckon if you
are reviewing an album that you know none

1216
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:29,600
of you like it's maybe worth doing
more posts like this to get another perspective

1217
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,079
to take on ball while doing so, particularly for bigger albums like this within

1218
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:33,279
what you tend to color, where
it's a band that you're going to see

1219
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:36,439
pop up more and more. Harry
Davis says, I really think sleep Tooken

1220
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:41,319
are the Lincoln Park of this generation. They perfectly blend pop elements with heavier

1221
01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:44,920
stuff. Some of it borders on
shoegay style death metal, other death tone

1222
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,000
style riffs. They're getting the same
level of polarizing hate and love that I'm

1223
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,199
sure you part did. At the
end of the day. They must be

1224
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:51,399
doing something right to connect with so
many people, And what is the point

1225
01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:55,199
of art other than to create discussion. Absolutely love the album. They're brilliant

1226
01:16:55,239 --> 01:16:57,640
live. If it's a gateway for
more people to find metal music, than

1227
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,319
good on them. Tom Reid says
our bands like Sleep to I can actually

1228
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:03,439
good for heavy music or is it
basically just confirmation that at the moment the

1229
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,279
only way to get anywhere is just
to be pop music with genty riffs?

1230
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:10,840
And will this consequently lead to a
decade of zealous copies of an already pretty

1231
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,359
wet and bland band that is in
a very sort of simplified way. A

1232
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:20,399
major part of my concern with this, for sure, Ryan Moore says,

1233
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,880
being at they're sold out headlining show
Down in last month, I'd say it's

1234
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,239
the other way around. It's than
pop music for metal heads. It's more

1235
01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:30,760
like metal music for pop heads,
which I think is a very good thing.

1236
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,079
Anything getting anything near the level success
they are getting that still includes occasional

1237
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:35,960
screams and heavy guitars is a good
thing. And even if ten percent of

1238
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,199
the pop peas we show up for
them go further into that scene, that

1239
01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:42,079
would be great. The Lincoln part
comparison above is pretty spot on. I

1240
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:45,039
think I was there when they broke
through and just as many people hated them

1241
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:46,920
as liked them. Regarding the podcast, I think you're in a different position

1242
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,039
now than you were last time they
released an album, all the time that

1243
01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:51,680
parents saw them at a festival.
They have gotten so much bigger in the

1244
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,600
last six months that they're basically inescapable, which I also think is a good

1245
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,039
thing. The fact that they are
breaking through to the mainstream on their fourth

1246
01:17:58,079 --> 01:18:00,720
album, the third that's released by
a label, is a good sign for

1247
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,600
their longevity and commitment. I do
wish you had someone on the episode to

1248
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,600
offer a counter argument and speak to
the things that I am many of people

1249
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:09,439
like about them, But even with
that, without that, I still think

1250
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,560
it's good that you're covering it.
That's kind of why I've put this little

1251
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,119
bit in there, And I think
just to go back to the idea that

1252
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,800
if it's mentally for pop heads more
than this, then I think that comes

1253
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:24,079
into the fundamental disconnect that we might
be having here where if that's a good

1254
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:28,680
thing, that if channeling some people
into that pipeline great, but asking us

1255
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:34,000
to repeatedly engage with it in the
same way we would you know, any

1256
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:40,000
kind of progressive metal record or whatever
we might be talking about is part of

1257
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:43,119
why I think I'm having this real
fucking issue with them. James Bentley says

1258
01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:45,439
the new album is fine. There
are some decent tracks on there, but

1259
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,840
it's mostly forgettable. Some of the
transitions are clunky, especially when they try

1260
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,960
and add more R and B funky
elements alongside the heaviness. I just don't

1261
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,359
see why people think it's particularly poppy, though. The courses aren't catchy and

1262
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,239
the vocals are a little too weird
to be mainstream grabbing the poppy. I

1263
01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:00,079
personally don't think they've topped the offering
from the ab which is an almost perfect

1264
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:01,920
version in their sound. For me, like them or not, I'm just

1265
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,680
happier, genuinely unique sounding band at
getting such mass attention and coverage. We

1266
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,279
have said a couple of times about
the choruses and now they're not good,

1267
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:15,079
and how the pop side of sleep
Token feels it's so locked into the kind

1268
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:19,079
of you know, oh worship,
you know her long form progressive journey of

1269
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:24,439
the albums that they don't actually write. And obviously in loads would disagree because

1270
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,680
those people are loveing these songs and
they thinking these a smashed singers. Went

1271
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,279
to me, they're just completely go
into one and out of the other.

1272
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:31,159
But I certainly think that if you
were to even though the vocals and everything

1273
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:35,279
they feel like they're lifted out of
mainstream pop, it doesn't feel like it

1274
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:39,119
competes on that level certainly, and
it's part of why maybe it feels like

1275
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:43,600
a slightly isolated phenomena to us.
David Hopgood says, I quite likes their

1276
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,640
first album mainly on Beza's recommendation Great
melodic sense and dynamics, interesting, unique

1277
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,279
singer. It never occurred to me
that there was anything negative there until Perin's

1278
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:53,239
blistering take on album Too and dis
of them as a band. People in

1279
01:19:53,319 --> 01:19:55,520
OZ at the metal shows I go
to, who can't believe there's a podcast

1280
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,159
out there that actively dislikes Sleep Token. I love TNM. I don't here

1281
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,439
for the post hardcore meticle that doesn't
get covered or isn't considered any good eg

1282
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,880
Era, Day Seeker, even North
Lane, etc. Yeah, again,

1283
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,439
we don't cover those bands for any
reason. I don't fundamental problem with resisting,

1284
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,119
but it just doesn't fucking inspire and
interesting to talk about. Yeah,

1285
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,520
I would rather think I didn't get
covered either. Now we know we are

1286
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,319
going what you're going to say,
you do ut and m. Having said

1287
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:21,119
that, I've discovered so many great
interesting bands here, Oathbreaker, Code Orange,

1288
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:24,600
While She Sleeps Shikari, and I
have to say sleep tooken. Yeah,

1289
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,399
on that front, I think it
definitely would be weird if we'd completely

1290
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,039
never reviewed Sleep Token ever. Right. I think it's the fact that I've

1291
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:32,199
done it three times and I've sort
of said everything that is to say,

1292
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,720
and they are at the point where
again on Sundowning they were a new band

1293
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,720
people were hearing me over the first
time. That's sort of not happening anymore

1294
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:44,039
past this point, so maybe us
doing it has run its course. And

1295
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:47,399
Matt Luke says, obviously covering several
albums that's still predominantly towards a negative wouldn't

1296
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:50,319
be too fruitful. It's important that
this slot is given to something less unknown

1297
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:54,119
yet brilliant as a point of discovery. Having said this, I personally love

1298
01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:56,319
it when you guy throwing one or
two album in the reviews too that are

1299
01:20:56,399 --> 01:21:00,319
heavily disliked or divisive between you.
It makes sure much more news listening shows

1300
01:21:00,319 --> 01:21:02,479
you cover all appets of rock and
metal, not just the ones you prefer.

1301
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:06,479
I think ending on that, I
think we obviously we will continue to

1302
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,680
just try and strike a balance.
But I think going through there you can

1303
01:21:11,359 --> 01:21:15,439
at least see where we're at and
where we might be feeling so just deflated

1304
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,800
about the idea of coming back here
to do another Sleep Tooken episode. Thank

1305
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,359
you very much for listening, particularly
if you are a sleep Tooken fan.

1306
01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:25,560
Thank you for your patience, and
but you know generally as well, thank

1307
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,359
you for everyone for being with us, helping keep this podcast fun and rewarding.

1308
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,119
What is your take on everything that
we've just gone through. Wow,

1309
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,000
it's back into normal hyper Blastma for
us for a couple of weeks as we

1310
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:39,279
work on some special podcasts that we're
doing, like the album Club that we

1311
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:41,920
have coming and so on that I
mentioned earlier. And then you go in

1312
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,960
into June we will have more album
reviews, We will have the beginning of

1313
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:46,640
festival talk as well. How Crazy
catch you in the field.