I'm okay. I just smoked another's in the face him. She want to
stay singing to you, bitch? That guy was don't just try to tell
me you love me. He can't keep it. Really, if you really
don't trust me, you come with a real you get up in the front
so you get my meals. I'm conning for the money, money in the
bank, coming with a dank scrolling a tank, rolling with the gang.
You sitting on the side of that the triple. I go to the hole
with a rock light pippot. Yeah, I'm okay what I'm doing. Welcome
to whatever. It's live with sports dot Com. I'm easy, joined by
my guys from racks. We got Nicholas cole Off. I'm the one to
two's waiting on Christopher to get here. So until then, let's just come
up with new insults of the guy. And I'm just kidding shout with Chris.
He's working his ass off getting that bread. He will be here soon
before I'm bomb all right, Yeah, moving on, I almost went down
the hole. We don't have to drinking drinking Josh until more so, we're
not gonna call my crodi. I will talk about a guy who is a
home team took the W in that battle, though, I'm Ross Brown,
California's own, all right. He's been catching w's all over the place,
including I assume it's gonna be like an l A fitness or whatever this may
be on the basketball court game winning shots. Spinny, did you catch that?
I did? It was pretty dope. You want you making to look
at that? That's that's where the question lies for me, because I'm competitive,
all right. You guys see why I snap back of you guys are
in arguments. You guy dabs him up atter just getting fucking splash in the
eye. That's a that's some that's some dick riding ship. What what?
What is your reaction that I'm going Ross Saint Brown? You're just at You
don't even know. This is not a planned situation. He's at l A.
You want skipped caryodas. You want to know who? I'm a raz
there. He gets the game when I Spinny, are you fuck? Are
you throwing the ones? I'm not tapping him up. I'm not throwing the
ones. I'm looking at him. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. I'm pissed.
I just lost school time. Brown. But I'm not dapping up a
dude who just hit the game winner. In my eye, right, I'm
not that much of a dick rider like that guy is obviously like, oh,
it's around Brown, so they deapped him up, But like, no,
I'm pushing Itt chest to chest for real. Get on the line,
boy, boy, Nick, what are you doing? To be honest,
I'm not playing in this game with I'm under our Saint Brown. If you
get this dude injured. I don't even like that he's playing. I know
these guys have lives and whatnot, but if I'm playing, like, if
I'm playing against him, I'm letting him get that shot off by a long
shot. I don't want to be anywhere near his landing zone. I don't
want to have him, you know, breaking hackels or something like. We
got a lot to play for this season and it's a big old bowl.
I don't want this guy playing basketball in the offseason. But I would not
go up against him. Say, bro, relax, he can play basketball.
He can play basketball. But you've heard just some crazy stories in the
past. But I would not want to get up in his grill. Is
basically what I got out of that. Oh I'm pressing him. I'm doing
the classic uh the classic? Uh? What what is it? When when
you're playing pick up and you can't block the shots, you poke them in
the stomach, you know when they're shooting. That's that's the classic defense.
That's what I'm doing. He's a competitor man, he does his cat raises.
He's not worried about getting hurt. Yeah. Yeah, here's the thing,
right, we are your expectations with it all like that. That's that's
where I'm at with it. Like maybe a couple of years ago, I
would have been I would have been upset and I would have took the spinny
route. Nowadays, I don't know. I mean, like, yeah,
you should have done that, Bud, Like I'm not. I had no
expectation of blocking that shot for you. But I'm go aroun as a dog
proven on the quart as well. I'm with you though, too, Like
that was a I didn't even think about that. I mean I slightly did,
because I definitely want to be the guy that was opposing him when that
happened. But she I dapt him up. I'd be mad by dap him
up, but you know, good ship. Yeah, but I would give
you twenty one easy. He would have been pissed. I'm gonna keep it
reroll. Yeah, I just think I mean, worse comes worse. You
know, like you don't want to be near him if he goes up for
a You're just a Debbie downer. Man, we're playing basketball. He knows
what he signed up for, Like I'm trying to block a shot. You
think he does this before he signs that massive contract. Yes, I'm sure
he played pick up basketball before that. I'm sure he did. You think
he was just sitting in his house like bubble blay you. I really want
to talk to him and have that discussion. Did you play pick up basketball
before you signed the com Yes, I'm positive he did. Sure. Yes,
Competitors, he's an athlete, bro, He's an elite, competitive,
rich athlete. Now you also know, yeah, but you also know football
players are a different breed of competitive. Like they they play cards, they
play cards, you know, they play ping pong, they play pool like
anything that they can do. It's a competition. That's what drives them to
be that great. So, Chris, are you getting up in his grill?
Game winning shot contesting? Hardcore? If you know that is I'm on
around Saint Brown on the other side of you, and he might land on
your foot wrong way. I mean, I'm a competitor. I like to
think I could stay in front of him and Sat Brown, but I don't
think. I know you can't. Chris, Chris, you hey, bro,
you're sounding You're soiunding Hellisoft, Nick. It's he's he's playing pick up
basketball. He signed up for pick up basketball. I'm not playing him extra
tough because I'm around Saint Brown, but I'm not slacking off me. I'm
not just gonna let him hit the game winner. I'm gonna play defense on
him. Personally, I personally have gone through like ankle injuries on like some
weird ship in basketball. So that's the only reason why the ankle playing basketball
before Man, it happens. That's what you signed up for. He's playing
pickup there's a there's a chance you might roll your ankle. And I'm not
playing light. I'm not just gonna let him hit a game winner over me
because I'm around Say Brown. No, I'm playing defense. I'm not gonna
intentionally like Petia or anything like that. Chris. Yeah, I'm curious.
I'm curious the Chad it is on with this one. You're right, because
you know what, this is the point of the season where like the offseason,
I should say, where you can obviously not ideal in any situation.
You want less wear and tear on your body at all times, but you
could probably afford to play a little bit of pick up and have some time
to heal it had something happened. I mean, we just saw Brian Branch
and a freaking scooter the other day and we still have no update on that.
By the way, we have no did we ever get clarification, like
what the hell that actually was? I think it was shout out to our
guys. You guys know who our guys are, but they spoke about it,
and it wasn't because we initially reported it was the ankle that he had
surgery on in the middle of season, not surgery, but the other Yes,
it's the other one. Nothing official came out about that one. But
again he got he obviously got taken care of in times to be in training
camp because it was not discussed by anyone. I mean, I'm talking about
my pinnacle of like lions. Information outside of our guy brought her. Unless
he's going against me, you know what I'm saying. You guys see what's
going on Twitter right now is Justin Rodgers. If Justin Rodgers doesn't afford it,
it's not anything of of worry, anything official. And maybe that's what
he's working on too, but he can listen. You get hurt in best
ball be back, I'm not worried about. You can get her walking down
the street. You can get her waking up in bed in the morning.
It's no way, I'm soft. This is hello. This bias is fun
real Cup Energy bake. I'm not gonna walk it is extremely biased here,
No way Energy, It's no. I don't want to get the number one
highest paid receiver before A. J. Brown just got his contract hurt before
a Super Bowl run? Is that really big? Cup Energy? I don't
think I was gonna say we gotta cut No way, like I'm soft of
you saying it, But you're the sound guy. You would never play it.
Can give it to Chris and could it be a bad special? Yeah?
I still got the mass drop somewhere in here, which guys come,
They're all, O, Yeah, there's so many that I swear like we
need and we just maybe I need to start screaming for him to get into
whoever needs them. Spencer, what are you up to this weekend? I
like doing coke and choking strippers. Favorite job. It's the drop of me
saying I like doing cope and choking streams. Hey, you know, you
gotta do what you gotta do sometimes you gotta live like Tom. All right,
what would Tom do? What would Tom do? Ww TGD How about
the Tiger's day? I didn't catch you out last night. We had conversations
because it was on during the show, but obviously it prolonged. Oh no,
his offense fixed. Yeah, I mean offense looks a lot better.
You know they put up yesterday, they put up fifteen hits and eleven runs.
Today they had what four four runs? Like, it's better than scoring
one. They scored more runs in the past two games than they have all
months. So it's uh, it's good to see them swinging the bat.
Well and uh, Valaid, the guy they brought up his hit has been
hitting well. Andy and Banye has hit two home runs of two innings last
night. But they choked. They choked the game away today. Kind of
a weird call. In the tenth inning they brought in the center fielder on
a shift and then it was just an easy single, walk off single to
center field, right in the middle of the center field. That could have
been a catchable ball. If there was a center fielder out there, it
would have been a tough catch. But who's it there was a guy on
third. I think one spend well, I think if you're gonna go that
route there, I mean, this is just I would just say by the
numbers, I think you bring in the right fielder maybe, and then you
pitch him inside extremely hard, yes, or you walk him. You walk
him and you try to get the double try to get the double play.
But you know that that's analytics and different stuff like that. That is baseball
elite for me that I'm not going to really dive into. But they'ved swinging
the bats better the past couple of games, so that's good. I apologize
my chair is z acting up being a crody. Yeah, being a big
crody over there, So I'm gonna stand up real quick. Maita is a
bum you also have on here? Yeah, I agree, But I have
this question. I've been asked like, what you what can you get from
my aida bro? If you're still the chat I'm curious to hear you're taking
that as well too, But like if it's if it's a money thing and
no one's gonna want to regardless. Obviously Manny's on this roster right now,
you're not using him other than like when there's double headers and whatnot. Is
that a guy you deal out for offense? I mean I wouldn't. I
don't want it to happen. I don't because he's one of the best arms
you got, So like I'd rather than just move my Aida down to the
bullpen, move a bullpen got down and have Manning be a starter, because
my Aid is a bump. So I would not like to see them move
on from Manning yet. No, I'm glad the mics are turned off yesterday
after the Yeah, Nick, can you can you get anything from Matt Manning?
Yeah? I mean, Matt Manning's gonna give you better starts right now
than than my ada is. But if you think about this triple A and
like what we have here, I mean it's mostly pitching, like they're for
real is And if we are gonna move somebody, it's gonna be either Manning.
You think about a Broski, there's another guy. His name's just forgetting
me right now, give me one second on it. But it's like those
type of moves that you can make, Like we gave up a pitcher that
nobody's ever heard of and got a guy like Mark Canna, who's top four
hitter on this team. Mm hmm, you know, like those are the
type of moves that like Scott Harris, I mean he made one we all
just wanted to or I personally wanted to see more of those kind of moves
to bring in proven veteran bats to help these young guys out progress, honestly,
Like I know they wanted to say, oh, we wanted to let
him get a lot of room in space, but I think they could have
learned from him, and then you prove it in Triple A and then get
brought up when your numbers called. So I mean, it's just tough right
now. I was really looking forward to coming in here, super excited.
You finally you stole too from Cleveland after dropping four straight. But we just
lost the series in Cleveland after just getting sweat by the Yankees. So this
team's holding on by dear life at nineteen and eighteen right now, and to
be honest, I'm not confident moving forward. Where are you at, Spencer?
Yeah, no, I mean it doesn't inspire confidence. Obviously, the
bats coming around is good for two games, but you need to do a
stretch of hitting like that. We need to see that happen more often than
just once every two games. But yeah, if the bats can get it
together, I got a feeling that the pitching stat is going to be there,
like rye Olsen has been dealing, Terry Skuble has been dealing. Obviously,
the bullpen has looked pretty good outside of a couple of guys here and
there, But it's it's on the bats man. If the bats can hit
like they have the past two games, then yeah, but the you know
survey says they're not going to hit like the Gasowa sud Yeah, they haven't.
They haven't proven that they can hit like they have in the past two
games, So that's worrisome. Yeah for me, I'm not on Scott Harris's
head pop as of now. But if something's not done this continues, then
I think we start pointing a little bit of fingers because I get that baseball
like it's this kind of sport man like there's no there's no salary cap,
but we've seen teams blow all kinds of money and not getting done back.
I mean, who is it right now? I heard Dan Dickerson say yet
last night they're hitting worse than us, and they're actually like I think it's
Toronto. I don't know, hitting worse us, but they're definitely like there's
higher expectations for them to be here. I mean, yeah, Toronto's not
hitting well, Flatty Vlatty's having a bad, bad season. So it's a
streaky sport. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So if if it
doesn't break this current streak, or at least if this one doesn't go on
to become a streak like you said, then Scott Harris, like it is
on you because you did have off the offseason. You didn't have to spend
tons of money. Like we're talking about a trade right now. When it
comes to my Ada Maida, you did pay. You're not You're not trading
Aida. That's not gonna getting from that's one talking about trading Matt Manny.
Yeah, I mean, like, are you willing to deal with that one?
But I'm not Scott Harris's ass yet. But if something's not because the
division's there. As you've been saying all before the season even started, you've
been saying, it's good, it's theirs we had Chris Casoleione, he're saying
it's there's like lock it in, make sure because it's pitching. I feel
like we're just wasting I'm not even a baseball guy, and I know what
we're seeing right now is like fucking truly special, the entire bullpen. By
the way, it's not because like I remember used to be when we were
we were dope that it was just our stars that were and we never really
had like a consistent reliever. We had some characters per se, you know
that we personify and whatnot, but we never had it like the way it
is right now. Take advantage of that. Bro. It's crazy. This
is like a lead is it not tripping? No, you're You're right.
It's they have one of the best pitching stats, top the bottom in baseball,
and they are wasting it. They're wasting great outings, consecutive quality starts
from guys like schoobl and Reese Olsen. So they gotta they gotta fix some
ship. By the way, just real quick, Nick, you need to
hear this too. Actually, Chris, you already know we're trying to get
the boys together for a game. All right. We were out working with
all our guys right now, So we want to get together if you guys
can be there on the weekend of I think it's next week. I want
to see who's pitching, though, I want to go on a good game.
I'm not trying to go see my eight up throw. I want to
see like Reese or something like that, even mine. Yeah, see,
you don't know next weekend, Yeah, they'd be electric. I think I
have like a sixteen man golf outing, so I gotta just make sure I
can go after that or before that. But that I'm already committed to.
But one of the top prospects. I mean that sounds like a blast.
I'm excited to see spend Moo do the nine to nine challenge. Yeah,
that's what we should try to get that for sure. Yeah, you Booner
against each other. Booner already can't do it. He tried he failed it
once, dude, how long ago though, I don't know, before the
pitch count personal. I mean, we're gonna make this happen. Nine dogs
like yeah, I mean the I feel like I could stand a chance there
to be honest for sure, to do the Beers. I don't know.
If you do the dogs, I would go on hungry, but uh,
the guy wanted to I would I wanted to point out is Kyder Montero.
He's an arm in our system. He's our eighth ranked prospect. I think
he has Paul He's twenty three. He has a three twenty seven ERA this
season, twenty two innings, twenty eight k's. This is a guy that
is creeping on the door of the big leagues. But right now we don't
need another arm, and we have Manning waiting. We've had Brisky waiting that
both didn't make the team out of camp. That are really good arms that
are gonna be able to make it in the major leagues. This is where
I would like to see Scott Harris pull the trigger. We didn't do it
on a guy like Luis r Ray's former two time batting champion. He's doing
it for free agency in the FUTU or next year. But that's a guy
perfectly would have wanted on this team. He's an above at three hundred hitter.
Every single season, all he does is rake like this, is a
move that Scott Harris. If our bats continue to struggle, I wouldn't be
surprised if we trade a top twenty arm for a bat that can contribute from
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I know I've been teaching on the next all day to the quarterback rankings have
officially dropped. I'm just we're not going to dive in right away, all
right, because we know people get their feelings. We don't know how it
goes, all right, So we were chilling that one but one, one
way I can rally up the troops. I'm damn sure Spain's probably fight up
about this one. Was this the All thirty thirteen thirty thirteen All thirty thirteen
put out a list of guys that could be This is also a really weird
list to have, by the way, sophomore sophomore slumps just praying and obviously
Detroilons had a cellar rookie class. These guys it was Jordan adds number one
makes sense, which actually I don't even know if these are in order,
just guys they put up the candidates, so let me let me take a
step back from that. But devon a chain Kobe Turner, which that's probably
if you are going to make an order that's number one for sure, easily
number one, number four or maybe on number four, but just on the
list. Sam Beforida, I'm not seeing it, but I know I feel
like you got to fire one up. No, yeah, this is just
stupid, Like this is just stupid. You're gonna say, Sam laporter is
gonna take a step back based on what. They haven't added any more weapons
to this offense than they did last year. They actually lost one of them.
Sam Laporta is exactly the prototypical piece that Jared Goff and Ben Johnson like
to eat with in the middle. He is by far the biggest red zone
threat on this weapon, and he is a mismatch, a stereotypical mismatch,
like tight ends are the ultimate mismatch. They're too big for qurnerbacks and they're
too fast for linebackers. Sam Laporta is just getting into his own. Sam
laport is becoming one of, if not the best tight ends in the NFL.
And you see him going out there making people look silly with his run
after the catchability and him and Jared Goff found that rhythm last year. They
found that connection last year, they had that chemistry and when you build that
with a quarterback, especially like Jared Goff. We've seen how important that is
for a player's progression if you're with your quarterback, if you're connected with your
quarterback, if you have that same page kind of mentality. So putting him
on there just makes absolutely no sense to me. I think they're just throwing
a dart at a board because they want to say, like, oh,
he can't do it again, he can't have the same kind of production again.
Yeah he can, because he's still in the same Ben Johnson led offense
with Jared Goff at the helm, is still one of the top three playmakers
in this offense. And it's not like they added a rookie wide receiver that's
gonna take all this shine, or they added another pass catcher it's gonna take
all these targets away from Sam Laporta. If anything, he's gonna get more
targets than he did last year. I just don't understand that they're reasoning behind
putting Sam Laporta on that list. It makes absolutely no sense. It just
disappoints me because truthfully, they're one of the few outlets that I like the
names I have there I trust, I have faith and a lot of opinions
coming out of there because the guys kicking them up typically our former GMS,
current or former NFL players, Like they're guys that have been in the game.
With Sam Laporta is just as you said, obviously he's probably the number
one red zone target in terms of like throwing the ball, maybe next to
Amaras Saint Brown. I don't know. Jamo actually in the NFCD Conference Championship
game made a notch up there too, But regardless of that, this is
also just lack of pay attention to like what this Detroit Lions offense has done
the past few years we talked about all the time in this show. Specifically,
they broke the franchise tight end record for touchdowns with Dallas, Sam laport
and only half a season t J Hockinson the year prior to Sam Laporter's arrival.
Like that we've had. We have footage of Brock Right the forty yard
game winner, we have Shane Zilstra. I believe it is what three touchdowns
three touchdowns on a sale game, like Ben Johnson is a former tightands coach.
Like one damn thing you sure can't say about this team three things.
Two things. You can't say they can't run the ball, and you absolutely
can't say that the Titans are going to produce because no matter who it's been
in there, Ben Johnson has cooked it up to be fucking nice. That's
why if there's ever were a time I were to get a little pushback from
Detroit Lions fans on a Sam laporta topic is the one Nick and I had
discussed. Where's like some things are drawn for this kid to eat. I
mean, there were touchdowns last year and we had this conversation with Mike Payton
with a twenty yard plus touchdowns, Jered Goffer twenty plus yard throws where it's
a trick play where Sam Laport is streaking wide open. That's happened multiple times
last year for touchdowns. Tight ends are gonna eat this offense regardless. I
don't know who wrote this piece from thirty third team. Again, I like
them. They show me love when I when I know post their clips or
whatnot. So I'm just disappointed. I'll leave it at that. It just
doesn't make sense. I don't see the backing behind it. You see the
backing behind the other guys on this list like you look at Addison, it's
because Justin Jefferson is gonna be back, because he's gonna be healthy. It's
you see the backing behind Kobe Turner because Aaron Donald is no longer on that
team, so he's not gonna be getting single coverage on every single snap a
chain is there's not much backing behind that. I don't know. Maybe they're
saying that he's just kind of figured out. But Laporta, there is absolutely
no single reason you can point to and say he is gonna be worse next
year because of this. He isn't gonna produce next year because they got a
pass catcher added to this offense because he switched schemes or offensive coordinators because Jared
Goff isn't coming back. No, it's the same quarterback, the same offense,
and he is arguably gonna get more targets because the guy who was second
on the team as a wide receiver in targets is no longer on this team.
So there is no singular reason you can point to to say this is
why Sam Laporter is gonna have a worst year. It's kind of blast there
is. I'd love to talk to that person. Yes, like we might
be having Cody Bidgmin the show at some point reached out to him today because
he came out of the quarterback list that I know a lot of people are
tuning in for it again. We're gonna have that conversation later on the show.
Maybe have him join us, But Chris, I don't he wants to
speak of the Sam Reporter stuff. Yeah, because I'm looking up the numbers
right now per stat mused, And in eighteen games, t J. Hockinson
was targeted one hundred and nineteen times. In seventeen games, Sam Reporter's targeted
one hundred and twenty times. Like this show's consistency. This shows that if
you give him a weapon, Hell, he targeted brock Right fifty one times.
Like this is a guy that will app absolutely use his tight end.
So there's no reason there's no reason to expect a sophomore slump from Sam Wilporta
because it's not gonna be because Jared Goff won't target them anymore. Like you
guys said, there's actually more room for targets and receptions. And so what
are we just predicting that Samuel Porta is just all of a sudden going to
drop a bunch of passes this season, what would be the decline for the
falloff the or what would be the reason for the decline the oly It just
doesn't make sense. The only thing I see, Chris is just like maybe
they're expecting a massive jm O leap here because like I don't understand it at
all. You're replacing forty receptions from a guy like Josh Reynolds and fellas,
where did Josh Reynolds get his most receptions? Third down, middle of the
field, end zone. That's literally what Sam Laporta does for this team.
So it blows my mind specifically, I mean you could look at the three
players that had more receiving yards in their rookie tight end seasons. It was
Dicka, Pits and Shocky Shock He got hurt, which you cannot just bomb
on, you know, Laporta getting hurt. And then Dicka had like one
hundred yards less which he had like the best season ever as a rookie tight
ends. So I just think this had blast for me from the thirty third
team and like you said, Easy, they're usually pretty uh yeah, they
didn't know their stuff, And like Easy said, it is because there are
a lot of you know, former league guys, former players, former gms,
different stuff like that. But this one just doesn't make sense to me.
I just don't see any points of how it can correlate to Sam Laporta
having a worse year. The guy was in absolute freak last year when it
came to yards after the catch, when it came to making people miss,
different stuff like that. This offense is built around supporting that. And like
Nick said, when you're looking at golf in who he goes to on thirds
down, it's Amana Saint Brown and it's Sam Laporta. Now that Josh Reynolds
isn't there. We called Josh Reynolds like the first down Merchant because it seemed
every single catch he had was a first down that is no longer an option
for them. And the two guys he's most comfortable with in this offense is
a'm Rod Saint Brown and Sam Laporta, and i'm roe Saint Brown can only
get so many targets, Like if you're telling me, I'm ross, Saint
Brown's gonna get thirty targets a game now. So that's why Sam Laporta is
not going to do as well. Whatever, but he is going to be
the second option in this passing offense. So I don't understand this at all.
Yeah, it's so someone was going to have to have the conversation because
again, I'm the guy who just most recently and at war with all of
Lions. Not the Lions Twitter, but a lot of Lions Twitter over the
list I just made. I'll take the bias out. Sam Laporta remains on
this list, Chris, what about say I was I was just going,
I was just going to say, and I don't think any of us are
saying that any of these guys will. But if you had to pick one
of the Lions to to not maintain or even have a sophomore slump, I
mean, I don't see a candidate here. You got Gibbs. I don't
think anybody expects, you know, regression from him. Campbell. We've all
stated highly that we that we he's the one that we expect actually to probably
make the most jump between these rookies from last year. Brian Branch, We've
talked highly about him, maybe because of the secondary room being competitive, but
I don't really see one if you guys had to if you guys had to
pick one, because Hennon Hooker doesn't count. Roger Marten didn't really play last
year. Like let me let me add this real quick to this little tidbit
as well, tight ends one of the hardest positions to learn in the league.
Like you typically even go across the names of like the great tight ends
as nichols Konstan as well, they don't do shit for a while. It
takes a minute to get going for him to have grabbed this concept in this
offense his role right away and run with it last year like the year two
of that's only going to get better, it really is. I had to
assume because thirty third team again, I ha's a publication I do respect.
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I'm Easy, joined by spinmall Rex. Hello, young Chris Nicholas call
Off aka Detroy Mario. Let's go smash that like bund If you haven't be
your friend tell a friends should have stream this one? Did I I don't
know if I sent this video. I screen recorded. I got the video.
You got it to go. So this is from a podcast or a
radio spot that Tarreon Arnold did with someplace in Alabama after you got drafted.
I listened to the whole piece. This is a snidbit from it. But
Chris, if you keep play us real quick, yeah, I'm gonna ever
heard cambit just to be no, no, okay bet And here it is.
And the Lions picked you for you to get that moment on the stage
with those Detroit fans was incredible to watch. I can only imagine how great
it was for you. It's amazing. I mean, all my teammates from
Alabama, they were like Herrian would be the one to get drafted. What
the draft is yeah, I mean, how much conversation did you have with
Brad Holmes and with Dan Campbell and with that organization. I went on to
visit there, and honestly, they told me, they said, you're one
of those guys we have to trade up to get, but our paths may
cross. We don't think we'll be able to get you. And my agent,
Nicole, she did a very great job of just she actually texted them
that following morning and said, hey, you know it's a heavy O line
receiver, quarterback, heavy office and draft class man y'all, y'all might have
a chance. And then just from going back and talking to them, they
they knew that the Raiders it was a possibility. They took me and actually
the Raiders coach they called me after the drive and they were like, you
know, we actually had a coin toss between you and brought Bowers and mand
it on him. I was like, oh wow. And then after the
Raiders passed they said, okay, we got to get up there before Jacksonville.
So actually Brad was they were trying to trade all the way up fifteen
sixteen to get them. So it's just one of those things where you go
where you wanted and that right there, man, that fit And as far
as how the fans are, schemes that they run, and just even being
around guys like James Jamir especially Brian like, man, it was a dream
come true for me. All right, first or foremost, let's start with
this, all right, shout out Raiders. We love Brad Holmes. Yes,
everyone's very approving of Brad Holmes, if not free agency trading. Only
the one thing nobody is walking question that they are They're probably just stupid,
is Brad holmes drafting ability, especially in these early rounds. If he's willing
to grab this because I know everyone some of the Raiders stuff. I took
that as like a hypothetical meeting as people use that not seriously. But he
was wanting to grab him at fifteen. Friandon still have played the draft just
like just chill and relax, like waiting for the draft of twenty four.
Yeah, it's the management. This is the ball. The ball. Yeah,
it takes for guy that you were willing to jump to fifteen to grab
that is there multiple times throughout this process. It's, man, just beautiful
gainsmanship. I guess the word I'd use when it comes like the draft like
that, but fucking that that makes him even more valuable to me though.
Yeah, it's a shout out to the Raiders first of all, for Raiders
and taking their second straight first round tight end. Uh yeah, just just
just a great move, great move for them. Second round, Oh they
got second, they took another high end, but still second straight our first
two picks. I don't mind it. Raiders second ack, thank you.
This is just this is like thank you, thank you for letting the best
cornerback in the draft fall to us at twenty four. Thank thank you for
allowing that to happen. And flip that coin again, like like it's just
look, can we can we have that coin? Can you mail that coin
to Wolverd Sports office. Obviously it's probably they literally probably didn't flip a coin.
That's just a figure of speech. But that's just so like we've seen
this happen with Brad Holmes before, right, this like fate like this,
this destiny type of thing, like with pennsul falling to him, where he
did with Aiden Hudginson, with Aiden Hutchinson not going first overall. When I
was there, if you asked me who was going first, overall, I'm
telling you Aiden Hundredson ten times out of ten, not even thinking about it,
and he felt it. Two. You see when he last year says
there are two guys I want in the second round, and he was Sam
Laporte and Brian Branch. And he gets Sam Report and Brian Branch. And
now this that was that was fucking insane, this guy being one of his
was the best on his board, one of the tops on his boards,
saying I would take him at fifteen, and the Raiders pass on him,
and then he keeps falling, and he keeps falling, and you go up,
move over the packers and grab him. This is just Brad Holmes.
It's insane, the like it takes luck for stuff like this to happen to
Obviously, it's skill identifying your talent and getting your guy. But it takes
luck for the Jacksonville Jaguars to pass on Aiden Hundredson, for Brian Branch and
Sam Laporta to fall into the second round, for Terry on Arnold to be
passed on by the Raiders, Like its discipline alone to wait for those guys
I clearly got. Because that's the one thing about this team. They clearly
identify specific players they want Ryan Ormane and they interview Rob Sims and Calvin Johnson,
and then they talked about like it's like during their playing days they had
core guys, but they never were able to draft around them. They very
much have a specific guy they want because it is a grueling ass season.
So like that list in itself is limited. We know how great at least
in our opinion. We can't speak to Brad Holmes, but we know how
No, I'm saying, we know how great Jim Carter is going to be,
and they're just kind of already is how good he is. I should
say the discipline like pass upon that not just that specific player, but to
also wait for your player to drop because again they wanted them at fifteen.
He held it in. He could have went out right there, gave it
more than a third round pick, the Quie Terry on Arnold, but he
did it. He only did it with third round and the other piece of
this and maybe I'll get this one of the later, because you know,
Christ's something to say. But just if you listen to this whole interview,
the amount of times this kid was like asked something like, how did you
get to know himself, or like it's what he's doing, or like what
his family plans on doing for Thanksgiving. It always reverted back to like the
team, Yeah, I always reverted back to now I gotta go back and
get this work in, reverted back to like, I'm gonna win a super
Bowl, not just like super Bowl like in his career, it's more specifically
a super Bowl like this year. And people say this ship all the time.
They really do, but this kid means it. You mean you feel
it. It's it's that Brad Holmes, Dan Campbell guy. It's what is
built into their DNA, how they eat, sleep, breathe football. They
love the game. They're worried about working hard. They're they're fine with going
in and facing someone off for a position, battling for that spot, having
that competition, because dude, this is just it's it's so fucking sick.
They just coulde need to bring in guys like that that are high caliber,
high tier athletes, great players, and they're building the culture there they're building
is insane. It's not the it's like Mad says, we need to know
about you since you were born and like stuff like that. It's not that
kind of culture. It's not a choir boy culture. Like, that's not
what it is anymore. Back before Brad Holmes, that was the Lions thing
where we need to know if you're a good guy or not. It needs
to be you need to be acquire boy. No, that's not what it
is. You need to love football. You need to be able to go
out there and compete, eat, sleep, and breathe football. Those are
the kind of guys they're looking for, and that will help you in any
locker room, Nick Chris. It takes luck, it takes discipline, yes,
but I don't want to downplay what I've always said is one of Brad
Holmes's greatest skills is understanding the board, understanding what these teams are looking at,
what these teams are looking for, knowing that he if he doesn't get
it at fifteen, okay, then you know what, then I can't go
to I can't go to twenty four. Like his understanding of what other teams
are gonna do. How many times did he jump in front of in the
last couple of drafts and snipe a guy that we believe that the team right
in front of wanted. He's done that multiple times. So for him to
do that, it shows that he not only not only understands the has the
brilliance to understand every but every team around him, not just his own.
But also this bodes well for asset management, right because now you're not mortgaging
extra you're not mortgaging extra capital to still get the guy you want. So
I think that it does take discipline, it does take luck, absolutely,
but also I want to I want to highlight the skill that it is to
understand every other team's operations and goals. I think that's I think that can't
be understated. Yeah, that's massive, Chris, especially because as Arnold said
in that interview that the Raiders and the Jags, he said, we're into
him. The Jags were on the board that picked before the Lions traded up.
And obviously I'm thinking Brad knew that there. They have a number one
overall draft pick and Trevor Lawrence that needs to have a big season. Yeah,
they need to make him happy. They don't want to piss off their
guy. They go Brian Thomas because they just lost the guy and like,
like Ridley, So Brad is like dude, he's like five steps ahead of
everybody's times, it's insane. So then you go up in front of the
Packers after your guy's still on the board there, it's just so great to
see him. We're lucky to have him every single day. And I love
that. I mean, Arnold's just giving us like so much behind the scenes
stuff already, Like this is great to Edward O'Neills in the Woodward Sports Shed.
If we think that Terry and Arnold could be like Darius Slay by year
three or four, and I don't see why not. This is this is
the players for me though, Well he was like quarterback one, okay,
And this is a similar thing, similar kind of infrastructure that Slay had,
where you have those guys on the defensive line, they're gonna are gonna get
after the quarterback. You've got the veteran pieces in the secondary to help bring
you along. He's not This isn't the Jeff Okuda route for Terry on Arnold,
where day one, you're on an island you need to be cornerback one.
Good luck they can kind of ease him into being cornerback one on this
team. And you've got another dude right behind you, same draft class,
who thinks He's going to be corner cornerback one on this team and a Strake
Shaw Jr. Who's not taking any shiit his eyes. His goals are set
to be cornerback one. So if you fuck up, you got a dog
behind you nipping at your heels. Met Yeah, Emmanuel Moses like another thing
too, because you brought up Ykastraw. I just want to say this before
I forgot to mention it. Another guy that keeps this all about ball wasn't
wasn't an interview. I discovered this, but someone met him somewhere, Someone
kind of fancy knew what he was wearing workout gear. Yeah, man,
Man had the cracks the under armour, Like, these are just guys that
they want to win, Man, they want to They don't just want to
win, but they also want to be the best of themselves and met like
what it takes. Remember specific interviews. Taron Anot likes to be coached hard.
He had the conversation with I believe it was saving he went to Bama.
Dude, like saving coaches people hard Man. Yes, exactly. It
was Chris Bielman. I'm sorry, Rix Bilman, Chris Billman's brother. But
they interviewed throughout the process and like it was wasn't until he talked to spoke
to Rix Bulman. He asked him like where was he because Rix Builmy's GM
the Vikings. He's like, where am I in the draft? Where would
you take me? He was like, I wouldn't, like you gotta give
more interceptions and is from that point on, I think he went on tearf
like five interceptions. Yeah, whenever you had finished the season with at that
point too. But when they had that discussion or when he interviewed him,
they're to sit down. He's the one that brought it up. He's like,
yeah, you know you. I like to be pushed in that way.
That's what this coaching staff is. And that's that's why Brad Holmes likes
these guys from Bama because not only are they coached hard by Nick Saban,
but they've got five stars behind them at every spot. So it's not like
they're gifted as spot. They are working and they are fighting to keep that
spot and go out there and play that that level of football. And they
know if they fuck up, you got a five that's our recruit right behind
you, ready to take that spot from you. So It's guys that are
always on edge, always trying to be the best they can, and have
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such a pop you murdered. Even if I don't care if the ship he
said wasn't true, the way he pieced together was that's frequent. That's what
I'm saying, like, there is no there's no way he won. He
got out wrapped, he got out lied. If they're lies, like there's
there's just no way, there's no way to get out live they were.
Imagine like being at home as Drake chilling, just trying to watch the NBA
basketball, throwing on throwing on the playoffs and out of the break here certified
blah blah, boy I certified. Oh my god, they play it in
and out of breaks, played that part. Wow. I did the Brian
Branch highlights on my my Twitter, and I took that part out just because
I don't want in that word even playing that part in and out of lake.
Dude, that's you can't come back from that ship. Chris Is you
don't know the NFC North defensive teams by chance, they're still in there.
Okay, they're still in there if you want to grab them, because that's
what we have on the topic sheet next, and we can't talk about Tarry
All's a little bit of segways. But if you don't got it, I
got bullshit a little bit about this Tyler Boyd situation. Another they're here,
what do you hear? Yeah? You want yours first, Spenser's b door.
Yeah, don't mind up. All right, Well here they are.
Oh yeah, all right, well offensive one. Yeah, I got the
Jordan Love. You see that he's number one on defense too, great,
number one right safety. No, honestly, I'm thinking out loud right now,
let's just get ahead of it some money. I don't think I had
a single Minnesota Viking. I didn't, Okay, I was like, is
there somebody I'm missing? I kind of because I want to save it as
a segment, but also to ask a lean over reader. Yeah, sure,
come on, for sure, Kenny Clark can demand the double team.
That's a big one fucker and Clark over Yes, why it's more like the
past. Rush, I have a lean for that. Edwards over Jack Campbell
over who Campbell? Yeah? High praise the high praise. You see what
that man did the back app last year. All right, where do we
start? I'll start eight hunches off the top edge Rush. Let's go who
that one? Lions fancays, I pease you. That's the only way they
wanted opposite of him. I had Montest Sweat. Initially it was a discussion
our group chat. I was thinking about putting up the other kid. He
had nine sacks or six sacks from Green Bay Garry Seu Gary, Yeah,
thank you. No Montes sweat twelve of them things throughout the entire entirety of
the season. Lee McNeil, Yes, Now you had him based on potential
here because we know that we thought he was gonna maybe flirt with double digit
sacks last season, but he did get hurt before so last year, barring
that injury, I think he probably could potentially have hit eight sacks for sure.
Still five sacks, which is I know you brought DeVante White. When
I look at a Liam, I'm look at him as like the pass rushing
defensive tackle between the two djbs are to eat space. I feel Kenny Clark
can give you that in a little bit of pass Rush's that's why he's there
for me. I think actually Kenny Clark would have cashed in like six or
seven sacks himself, but a Lee mcnail's my pass rush in the situation.
Five sacks still good enough for me to put him there. Plus he plays
a run really well. Remember that game against New York. Yeah, in
the game last year against Oakland, Yeah, Well, he just took over
in New York he had. I think he had like twenty or like fourteen
fifteen pressures in that game alone. Yeah, that was by far his best
game he's ever played. Like I can get with like him not. I
understand he's not doing every single game, but if he could do it three
to two games a year, for sure, he's in my fucking he's on
my team. Yeah, Clark, that's the same for the Green Bay Packers
linebackers. Who was it the bron t J. Edwards? Was it?
Are you joking though? Yeah? T J. Edwards? He was.
It was a surprise. Honestly. I think he's going to picked us off
too when we played them. He is. He played very well with the
Eagles too. I'm pretty sure they both had an intersection. Yeah they did.
I think, yeah, yeah, the same game regardless. Dog all
right, he's officially the dog category. I think it's a Chicago native to
who like wanted to go to I could I could be getting that wrong,
but t J. Edwards, they have the best linebacker cored and that it's
not even close, not even close. I don't even have to speak on
Edmonds. Is what we want Jack Campbell to become. Brian Branch of the
Nickel. That's obvious there right. Sorry? Uh yeah, Brian Nicolas,
spy you you you hold today freak as you freaking as boy break or something.
Take care of that. Alexander Jalen Johnson. U you gave me some
reaction, iffy would you have there? You'll see, Okay. If found
was David McKinny Zamy mckinniy as much I want to put Kirby Joseph there,
he's just done it more because I don't know if you put Kirby there,
I don't have any be for that. To be honest with you, I
probably should have. I regret not putting Kirby there. Actually is a Harrison
Smith passed his prime for there for you easy. No, absolutely not past
his prime. That's why he's not here. Yes, yeah, Harrison Smith
has passed his prime. He's not in mine either. I mean, if
it, like I said, shout out to the name holds waite, shout
out right, shout out to one bar. But yeah, maybe it was
seven years ago, Harrison Smith would be Harris Smith. Three sacks this year,
zero receptions. He's on the downstout of it. And yeah, I
pretty sure if he gave us that and like the span of six or seven
games. Yeah, he might have done that just against Minnesota alone. He's
killing him all right, Throw my list at all seventeen games last year too,
Throw my list, Chris. We do have some differences, Okay,
we do, and uh, some of them are the same. The chalk
ones are the same. I got Hutch, I got Montes Sweat. I
did put DJ Reader and Davonte Wyatt Yam instead of the Alim and Kenny Clark.
I think DJ Reader has cemented himself as one of the best guy in
the show too. Yeah, or you were before. I was one of
the best interior defensive linemen in the NFL. And obviously I think Aliam can
have a breakout this year. I need to see him do it, though
I think he will. I really do. But as of right now,
I'm gonna put DJ Reader in Davonte Wyatt up there. As the defensive tackles
linebackers, I got t J. Edwards and Tremaine Evans. Pretty chalk.
We already talked about that, Saint Nickel, Brian Branch. I think that's
a question. Same with defensive backs Jered Alexander and Jalen Johnson. But I
put Kevin Byard. Oh man, come on, Kevin Byard over if i't
too Melifon, will you know anything? Kevin Byard has been first team All
Pro twice in his career. Wasn't last year. He wasn't last year,
But he wasn't twenty twenty one. This is a guy who has done a
lot in his career. This is a guy who has twenty eight career interceptions,
and yeah, I think that I need to again, I need to
see it out of your I need to see it out of Iffy for an
entire year before I'm going to put him over. A guy who's been first
team All Pro twice, but he wasn't even good last year. He was
good, he was I think he was good. He's still had you know,
he had one hundred and twenty two tackles on the season, he played
six two sames. I mean, this is a guy who is respected and
very good in the NFL for multiple seasons and has done it for almost going
on almost ten years now. So I'm just I mean, like he wasn't
good last year though, Like he just wasn't. Like if what five interceptions,
three sacks, yeah, and what like six games? If he can
do that. If he can do it through four we don't even know if
he's gonna start next to Bern. I would. I would. I would
understand this had Kevin Bayern had a good year last year. I really would.
Even if you're having a modest year, you'd like, we've known what
he's one in the past. He's probably gonna like return of that. He's
in the back end of this. I think when he got traded, I
don't think they even resigned him after the fact. Philadelphia they did it.
No, they didn't. Yeah, he was I mean, that was a
bad secondary for them last year. Kevin Byer was part of that. It's
eerless. He got traded halfway through the season to improve that secondary, and
he did. And this is a guy who's, like I said, he's
done it in the league before. If if he mel Fon moves five games
sample size, If you're telling me that's the production we're going to see from
him through seventeen games in a regular season, be sure that he'd be the
best safety in the NFL. If that's what we're going to get out of
him, I don't. I'm not saying I'm going to expect that level of
production for if he mel Fan will for seventeen games of the season. If
so, if that's what you're saying that if he maale fan Moves going to
be first team All Pro and he's going to be the best safety in the
league, I don't think that that is reasonable to expect from him. I
think you'll get some variation of that. I mean, I do believe that
we shall see. It feels like Brian branch are probably gonna take a step
into that role. Camp will be competitive as we predicted. But who is
your the safety, McKinny McKinney, Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing
the only thing i'd switch of mind by McKinney for Kirby. Mckinnie's a dog
though, And it's just really just me being biased and being straight up with
you guys. Yeah, I mean, Corners stood out to me there obviously
I was I would have gone Johnson and Alexander as well. But does it
concern you at all Alexander the last three years he's been hurt twice, Like,
do you think that he's going to bounce back in his age twenty seven
season, Like just like he was like the second team AP All Pro last
season two years ago. Yeah, I think Alexander's completely fine, not like
turning a different like, oh yeah, turning back up during the back half
of last season. Yeah, he turned back you know, after he stopped
being crazy. He definitely got a cat. Yeah, he got back to
playing pretty damn good ball and the skill wise, like Jerry, Alexander when
he's right, is one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. So,
Nick, where you have the safety controversy because obviously I don't we don't agree
on that one. Well, Nick, I'm I think there's so much potential
on our safeties, you know what I'm saying. Easy. That's why I
don't hate the iffy thing there, because if you, you know, do
his stats for the whole entire your season, he's putting up massive numbers at
every single spot when he did get that starting role. So I don't hate
that you have him in there. But it seems like Spenning just went with
more proven veteran guys. I mean, I know mckenny's kind of on the
younger side, right mm hmm, yeah, So I don't I don't have
a bone to pick, honestly, but I mean we all think curve is
gonna explode and then we saw what if he did in his limited role last
season. Like yeah, like I said, I can see both of these
guys being in those spots next season. Yeah, care Well could be.
If he plays seventeen games and he produces like he did last year in his
limited role, he will be the best safety in the NFL. Like,
I just don't. I can't put those expectations on him that he is going
to do what he did last year in a limited role throughout an entire season,
let alone playing We've never seen him playing the entire season. And I
totally get that. Buyer was like bad, he wasn't good at all last
year, and like he's older, it just feels like those years are behind
him. But it's consistent with what you did with the offense. Obviously took
JG over Love for that same reason. I the same thing there. I
took lot of love over JG. So yeah, I'm kind of going off
the most recent performances and I guess who, like I think would contribute like
right away, which obviously I believe it's if m kenny three picks last year
eleven past deflections, I think got half of a sack. Do you have
a Kirby's numbers up by you by chance? Uh, because that's what I
felt bad for. That's what I want to change. Or back to back
four picks. I know that. Yeah, you have four eighty two combined
tackles, no sacks for interceptions, some more picks. My PDS for Kirby
past defense is the k I R Get eleven pass defended, which so I
don't even feel bad that because it really is neck and neck right there between
Kirby and him. I think again though, Kirby. I was there when
you guys talked about like second your breakout guys, but Kirby for me fits
that list. There's so many guys fight the one. Yeah, Kirby's number
one. Kirby is my number one, I think, Jack, Yeah,
I think you can leave next year. Okay, I can see it.
I've said this is rookie. Yeah, I've been saying this about Kirby.
I just he's been having to make up for lack thereof everywhere else. Yeah,
it's that's that's that was my whole thing with Kirky. Jack was my
number two, uh breakout, but Kirby was my number one because like last
year, I think people got a bad taste in their mouth from him.
Pause, No Jersey, but it was because he, like you said,
he was making up for other guys. He had Cam Sutton and Kendall Vildor,
and that's Kendall Vildor. Honestly, he wasn't getting burnt too much,
but Cam Sutton was getting burnt and beat in coverage. Jerry Jacobs loved him,
but he was getting burnt and beatn coverage. So Kirby Joseph was forced
to make up for those mistakes and try to overcompensate for the cornerbacks not being
as good. And when you add guys like Carlton Davis, Amik, Robertson,
Terry and Arnold, and it's Ragshaw who excel in man on man coverage,
who excel at sticking the wide receivers down the field, it's gonna allow
Kirby Joseph to do what he does best, and that's being an elite playmaker
in the back end of that defense. So I can see him. I
can see him leading the leading the NFL in interceptions next year, even Jack,
guys like Jack or even just getting their hands and the balls, I
mean the two picks that we I I guess I recall the most and maybe
they're the only two we had. Brian Branch there were deflections. That's that's
Kirby will be able to capitalize off those situations too, like he's gonna be
there for a lot of it. And speaking of those cornerbacks, spend mo,
I know we just went through Alexander and Jalen Johnson to top tier type
guys when they're on the field. Yeah, do you guys believe that the
Lions, any of the guys in that room can crack this spot come next
season, including the two obviously highly regarded rookies and Arnold. And you're a
guy like Charleston or Carlton Davis, you got me cheesing because I'm healthy.
Carlton. As much as I wouldn't bet on it, Nick, I can't
say I wouldn't be surprised. I can't handle it. I'm a fan sometimes,
but this is more than just being a fan. Like everything that the
Detroit lines have done to this defense, particularly this offseason, it just it
adds up, like as a football person, you can look at it.
That's why if you watch other football shows like nashally renowned football shows and you
heard the DJ Readers signing brought up. It was brought up that only McNeil
and that defensive line just got a whole lot scarier, Like these things are
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Chris deside what are our options here? We're doing. We're doing wide receivers,
were jumping into the quarterbacks. Come on, easy, you know,
you know you gotta follow your heart. You talk that quarterback talk. You're
going off on Twitter today, Easy, going off, follow your heart.
I don't even know where to begin. CBS put out the start with the
top ten. All right, we stopping the tart ten top ten. So
CBS put out the quarterback list, the quarterback rankings going into next year,
and it was from Cody Benjamin. And here is the top ten. Obviously,
whoa all right? Patrick Mahomes number one, brock Purty number two.
This lasts d credit. That's yeah, that's aggressive. Josh Allen three,
Joe Burrow four, c J Strout five, Lamar Jackson at six, Jalen
Hurt seven, Dak Prescott eight, Justin Herbert nine and all Jordan love good
Old sitting there at number ten. Brock Purty, it too is ridiculous?
Is that not? Is that not crazy? To me like, yeah,
that's strong. You cannot there is no number two is aggressively. There is
no fucking way you tell me brock Perty is better than Josh. A.
Yeah, there is nothing you can tell me that would convince me that Brock
Party is a better quarterback than Josh. I'm not going to That's to be
honest with you too, Like I I saw this list, and obviously I
was fucking hahake can at at Broder and Steak and whoever else on on that
side of that conversation. But I was looking for golf that I didn't even
know that Party was number two on this list. But pretty pretty number two?
Is that is? That's something? Okay? What he got? Golf
not in the top ten, Golf not in the top ten. Josh three
Jordan is in the top ten. Now if you show us top five,
which is yes, I agree with that. I think c Shout is the
top five quarterback. I think he's gonna win MVP this year. But would
you take pretty over Lamar? No, fuck no, not even not even
think about it. Kyle Shanahan would tell you that your face, he's not
taking Pretty over Lamar. I think you would too, and you got eleven
and Lamar or eleven, Aaron Rodgers twelve to a tongue of a loa and
there he is. He's either the big smile on his face before I even
say it. Jared Goff clocking in at number thirteen in between to a tongue
of aloa, and Kirk Cousins some other notable names. You have Trevor Lawrence
down there at fifteen, Matthew Stafford at sixteen. That's that's crazy, Baker
Mayfield at twenty, Cayleb Williams already at twenty three. I don't understand Deshaun
Watson and Bryce Young or uh. Daniel Jones at thirty two, voted the
worst quarterback in the NFL. Can't be too mad at that? Is he
the worst? Wow? Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm gonna put him
over rookies. How is Daniels ahead of JJ? I'm putting who is JJ?
Twenty five? He's not even starting. I'm putting, Yeah, I'm
putting Daniel Jones ahead of bow Knicks and JJ McCarthy and Jayden Daniels. Yeah,
I mean this will love. This is not slight on JJ, but
we we know he's got to prove it right. So does bow Knicks easily
thirty two and thirty one for me, Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy. Yeah,
I mean, I'm honestly, I don't hate Bryce Young at thirty one.
Sorry, Bryce Young. Yeah, I remember wanting him once upon time
because JMO, but James arrived. Bryce hasn't, and I don't think he
will for a while unless he leaves the Panthers or they just if he grows
maybe six inches and becomes five to seven, then you are obviously the big
one here. Jared Goff at thirteen. Jared Goff at thirteen below to a
tongue of Aloa, just ahead of Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins, ahead of
Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, Kirk Cousins had of Matthew Statt and Matthew Stas.
I think Stafford at sixteen it's pretty disrespectful. I want to be respectful because
we will have Cody Minchmin on the show. We've been going back and forth
an email while we've been live here. Not gonna be today though, but
I want to give a chance to explain himself a bit here. I think
this has to be his projections for next year. Obviously, Yes, with
Jay Jane there it's gonna be Yeah. And with Deshaun Watson at seventeen,
and this has to be what he think is what he thinks how it's gonna
shake out next year Because Stafford at sixteen I think is low. Jared Goff
at thirteen, I'm not mad at it. Like it's if you want to
put Jared Goff anywhere from eight to thirteen, I'm not mad at it.
I'm not. I'm I mean, he's very good, very he's almost he's
great in this situation he's given right now. But I think when I when
I know I, when I did this list, you might do the NFC
North one. I'm just taking that person out of a situation there right now
and whatever new one we're recreating. I want a guy that's going to succeed,
that guy that needs certain situations to succeed. I think that's why you
see Golf down there, and in somewhat ways and forms you can point to
party and say those same things. That's what I was going to say.
That's what I don't understand is having party it too. But Golf at thirteen,
Yeah, that doesn't correlate my personal list I think I gotta check it
right now. I don't know if Perty made my top ten, but I
know he was right next to golf because as of now he is that type
of quarterback as well. I would put he offers a little bit more that
he could extend those plays. Yeah, and he's willing to run at times.
He's willing. He just can. I would put golf, party into
all in the same type of caliber. Yes, and I think most people
do. Yeah. I think they should all be. It's like, I
know nobody likes to hear it, but Cam Newton was right, like like
the game changer compared to game manager, And it's not bad to be a
game manager. That's not a bad thing. Like you do need to be
a game manager sometimes. But I think Golf, TUA, and Party are
all in the same elk of quarterback. Yes, so I don't understand the
rationale of putting party at two, but golf at thirteen. I think if
you're either going to if you're gonna put party at two, golf needs to
be in your top ten. And if you're gonna put golf at thirteen,
there's no way you can have party at too. That's where I'm at with
it, and I get that party does offer a bit more than JG and
probably say the same for TUA, but they should be clustered together in some
former fashion. That's where I'm at with it. Alan for me, I
had at number two. I made like, I think of this list up
to I think go as far as sixteen, seventeen, and maybe you want
to do this for something down the line, or we can do it tomorrow.
Okay, we'll do it tomorrow. I had JG twelve. I'm not
like I said, I'm not. It's not. I'm not extremely mad.
I feel like golf falls anywhere between eight and thirteen. It's not we talked
about that last year, about that that fluctuation of quarterback. There's it's always
going to be around there. That's the thing where I it gets perceived as
hate, and it's like, it's not. It's just it's like there's other
people outside of Detroit that watch football and assess football, analyzed football, and
they have him nowhere near where a lot of us do. There was that
Bleach Report list that came out. I think golf was what eight on that
one? Nick? I think he was Yeah, yeah, I believe so.
I think that one exactly. Thats exactly what you said earlier. If
he's anywhere from eight to thirteen, I'm not fine with it. And where
it's not a knock on him too, is like golf is gonna be he's
got a ball like this is not saying he's not going to He's gonna put
on another great performance this year as long as he stays healthy. It's because
he's in a perfect situation to do that. Yeah, when you do these
lists, it's like, Okay, we'll move this guy from another situation.
Jimmy G. Perfect example, Jimmy G. You could argue almost a lot
of the same things you did with JG. Winner, super Bowl, all
that stuff put a different situation with the Raiders all apart fell apart. JG
has been in different situations with us when he first got here when he first
I'm not gonna harp on too much as rookie season's season for prist sakes,
but we've seen the up and downs. Right, he has to have,
you guys to know how to win with golf, Like horrible roster Josh Allen.
The next year he is going to have like nobody like he's going to
have a rookie quarter or a rookie wide receiver as his wide receiver one a
second year tight end as his second option in the offense. I guarantee Josh
Allen still goes for forty five hundred yards and in thirty five touchdowns, Like
that's just he is a playmaker and he's gonna I mean, obviously he's gonna
throw a bunch of interceptions too, that's what he does. But they it's
yeah, brothers said ten plus or minus three spots, and yeah, that's
that seems pretty fair. Do you guys agree A question? Easy? I
know you have the strongest opinion about golf obviously on the network. Do you
guys think that the fact that Sean McVay offensive guru completely just tarnered this guy's
name, trash his name went out won a Super Bowl after do you think
that comes back to any of these lists, any of these rankings, anybody's
opinion at all that mister super Bowl youngest head coach ever trash this dude,
threw him away to the Wolves. Do you think that affects anybody's opinion when
it comes to golf, when it comes to the media and set things.
No, I don't think he can't get away from that. I think it's
I mean, I think it's they wanted an upgrade at that position. They
wanted to go from a guy like Jared Goff or Brock Purty or two Tugavoloa
to a Matthew Stafford or a guy who is going to drive the ball down
the field in any type of environment with consistency. And we saw it in
Detroit that Matthew Stafford can put him out there with the best of them.
And I guarantee if you ask Kyle Shanahan, would you rather have brock Purty
or would you rather have Matthew Stafford, Like he's gonna say that, you
want the guy that will go out there and make things happen and can move
offense down the field with their arm alone. That's nothing against golf. It's
just guys have different skill sets, and that's not a skill set they were
looking forward to run their offense. Skill sets that you know, you can
work in a vacuum, right in a situation where we don't have the best
offensive line, a great play caller in Ben Johnson, Like that's just what
it is. Still you could and that's the thing where like the next question
I'm talking about like Sean McVay, like, I don't think he trashed his
name really like I guess yeah, because I do respect Sean mcvay's offensive opinion.
I think he'd be kind of foolish not to. But at the same
time, he did go out and win games with Jared Goff. He did
go out and make it to a Super Bowl with Jared Goff, so I
think he also helped him just as much as if you were to trash him,
because he showed it as possible. Like I could tell you right now,
Although I have JG at twelve on my personal list, I think you
win a super Bowl with them. I think the true lines have done enough
and put enough around him where you can go out there and win a Super
Bowl. I just won't make the bet, but it's gonnanything can happen,
And I think if Sean McVeigh really got down to it and couldn't have gone
out there and got a Matthew Stafford or quarter by back like that, they
could have adjusted their offense and tailored their offense around what Jared Goff does in
LA. They really didn't do it to the level we've seen Ben Johnson and
the Detroit Lions do it where they were still, you know, with Robert
Woods, with with Brandon Cooks, with guys like that in their offense,
they were trying to push the ball down the field and take shots down the
field, where if they especially not. I think Jared Goff would fit in
LA's offense a lot better now than he did back then, because you've got
Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakua and guys that can catch in the middle of the
field and run compared to a Robert Woods and a Brandon Cooks and guys that
are looking for deep shots down the sidelines. I like that. Yeah.
I think Goff and McVeigh have both grown too, to be honest with you
as well, because like we saw him take that more, I've seen McVeigh
grow as well as golf. Got a couple more questions for you guys,
Yeah, a lot of questions too, I guess I want. I got
a question for Spinny. So because you have j at eight to thirteen range,
ye get your love sitting there at ten on this list, Oh,
I guess, and you had you didn't have on that, you know,
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off, smashed that like button. Let's get your team you didn't have your
love on your all anstey NORF team. I did not Zef reflecting your rankings
as well, because right now on this list specifically, he's Toy at ten,
jg at thirteen. I would again I saw that he'd be starting.
I see this as a projection for next year, okay, ranking, and
so I don't like doing that, you know, I don't like doing that.
I don't like putting rookies in my power rankings and stuff like that because
I haven't seen them play a snap of football yet. I like going on
what we've seen and what we already fired. Yeah, and it's discussed.
And I don't like projecting if Emal Fan will being the best safety in the
history of the NFL, what he did well, if he produces like he
did and he's gonna produce that may not be to what that was, but
he's for sure dann Well will produce. Yeah, we'll see, but he's
right right now. I would I would rank I would rank Jared Goff over
Jordan Love right now because of what I've said before. You would, yes,
because of what I said before about I see where you're coming from.
I see where Cody Benjamin is coming from and you can see how he plays
that he I'm not he has a better skill set to play quarterback than Jared
Goff. His athleticism his arm talent are both better than Jared Goff. But
I need to see him do it again. I need to see him go
out there and do it again in a league where that now has sixteen games,
seventeen games plus playoffs of tape on Jordan Love is a quarterback. I
need to see him go out there and prove that it wasn't just a splash
in the pond, that he is that guy, that he is a guy
like that. I've seen or Jared Goff perform like this in Alliance uniform for
two years now. I've seen him do it before with the Rams. So
I am not yet making the jump over. Could I see him doing it?
Yes, I very well could. Could I see Jordan Love outperforming Jared
Goff next year? I could, But as of right now what we've seen,
I'm not ready to put him over there yet. Spun mo, I'm
right there with you, I think, Jordan Love, I mean, the
facts already went nine and eight. He went into Dallas. What is Dallas
always do in the playoffs, they choke, Like every single year Dallas chokes.
So he went nine and eight. He choked it or Dallas always choked
the playoffs. I got to give him credit, though. Let me,
I'll pause right there, Nick, and then I'll get back to you.
That doesn't have factor into it at all. For me, quarterback wins are
not a stat in my mind. I pay no semblance to quarterback wins at
all. I think that is the worst stat out there because football is the
ultimate team game, and so that that I think you have to be able
to lead your team to wins. I believe that. I mean some people
have it. You can have all the talent in the world and just would
say you can't have it. Mentally, would you say what Jared Goff did
in his La Rams Super Bowl run was that leading his team to wins?
Because he threw he threw one touch he threw one touchdown, he threw one
touchdown in the playoffs for the Rams. I mean he could have threw more
picks and ruined games. Well yeah, I mean, anybody can do anything.
But that's that's why Kis Russell could throw one hundred yards. He couldn't
fucking figure it out. Within his own head when it comes to talent wise,
like I'm saying JaMarcus Russell the most talent. You know, obviously I'm
talking about quarterback wins. Quarterback, the quarterback wins that. Yeah, obviously
he didn't have great numbers when he led his team to the super Bowl.
That's right. Yeah, that's why I said I wouldn't say he led his
team to the super Bowl. I'd say he got carried to a super Bowl
that year by his defense. And by yeah, I'm just saying Jordan Love
went nine to eight, he had one playoff win in his career. For
me, I would love to see him do it again as well. That's
where I'm at with Jordan Love. Hella upside here and that's what I mean.
All of us have seen it before with green Bay quarterbacks and a guy
that sat in the past. Usually, if you do it right, and
green Bay tends to do it right every single time they hit that next level,
Jordan Love, I can one hundred percent see hitting that next level.
But for next season, I wouldn't rather have Jordan Love under center leading this
team. That is another thing too, That's not even a question for me.
Like when you said next year, Who would you rather have Jordan Lover
Jared Gofugh like the circumstances behind it, one thousand percent Jared Goff just because
of the cohesion and the offense and everything like that, that that's not even
a question to me starting team row, starting a team wrong. I'm taking
Jordan Love based on age and progression. That's that's why I do what I
do this. I'd like to take it into the vacuum and like years prior
can obviously help you determine based off what you're seeing numbers. I've never been
a big numbers guy like I just I just don't typically I've I have this,
this show, we've we've made ourselves. We brought ourself this far along,
and I'll have them if I have the time to bring them up or
if it's something I find interesting and stuff like that. But they don't tell
the full story right. If the game was determined off of STATISTICO numbers,
then it would have been two a tongue of Lowa raising that hoisting that Lombardi
Trophy in the year, not Patrick Mahomes, who had a bad year by
almost all standards, even because even to a twenty seven touchdowns fourteen picks.
Yeah yeah, I mean, guys, JG had what twenty seven and twelve
last year and we're all over it. So still good year regardless ranked eighth
and total QBR. Like the numbers, he's still won the freaking Super Bowl.
JJ McCarthy right, top ten pick in the NFL draft. The numbers
would have suggested that at all. No, in fact, I don't look
it up myself, but if you guys wanting to look at like the collegiate
numbers, the leader in passing yards, which you know, Jered Goffer second
this year, that's the one people like to point to a lot. Probably
was at number one pick in the draft, tucked in. I really don't
know. It could have been just this year in college, Oh, Jadon
Daniels would have been the number one pick. You know what I'm saying.
Like the numbers don'tell the full story. So then we go into like the
game itself, all right, skill set wise, as you mentioned too,
you had Jordan Love, a guy who progressed throughout the season too. It's
a complicated offense. This offense very much like the Detroit Lions, very much
like obviously even more so like the La Rams where there's a lot of motion.
You have to time your cadence right. The leadership quality too, Like
I think he had this year specifically, and obviously they're worse off team,
but he had more fourth quarter comebacks than our guy JG. He has that
when it comes like on the field. I can't speak to leadership in either
one of them because I'm not in the huddles per se. But we've seen
him shape up the back half of the season, carved us up, who
went to the NC Conference championship game, carved up the Super Bowl champions Casey
Chiefs right after, Like he's he turned, he switched. It felt at
the beginning of the season he was just trying to go for that deep ball.
But in the back half of the season, what he did, he
just extended plays and just made phenomenal throws. He saw all platform throws he
makes, they're they're up there with the best. They just they just are
against Detroit Lions specifically, and and the way this can relate to Detroit Lions
fans who hate the conversation when it comes to compare him to our guy.
The Green Bay game against us on Thanksgiving, you guys wanted to fire ag
immediately after that game on this show specifically, we broke down those throws and
we said, what the what, what was anybody supposed to do? This
was a phenomenal throw. This guy stepped out of the pocket, reset the
pocket, and it's made a rifled it off side arm style down the field
for fifty yards like he was. He bald his mind out, and that's
what you saw out of him up into the San Fran game, which,
Hey, San Fran, good team, they beat us too. Yeah,
no, for sure, I'm not. I'm not holding it over Jordan love
that he lost to San Francisco in the playoffs. No, yeah, so
did we. I'm not. I I agree with you. It's he really
he got his confidence in the second half of the season. You saw him
a lot more confident in the pocket with the play calling, doing different things,
audibles stuff like that. And yeah, it's his his mannerisms, his
his uh, his little the little quirks in his throwing in his hands off
is Rogers esque, Like you can see that he sat behind and studied one
of the greatest throwers of the football that has ever lived on the planet Earth,
in Aaron Rodgers. Like he studied that man for a while. And
the throws he makes are insane. They're they're insane. And he's he's more
athletic, that's not even questionable. He he is, he has a better
arm, that's yeah. I wouldn't say that's questionable either. He saw his
off balance platform throws are pretty nasty. But said ball placement as a strength
for JG. And again, j G's our guy. I think we went
to super Bowl with him. That is not a strength for Jared Goll.
Yeah, that is well, I mean he can do it. He's made
he made a strength. He made some very good roads. It's it looks
ugly, like the throws look ugly, But would you call it a strink?
They go to where I would say accuracy and ball placement. Accuracy a
ball placement no easy. I think he keeps his wide receiver safe, like
away from massive hits. That's what I've seen out of ball placement. Maybe
that's where Brother's going with that. Like you've seen like you know, getting
somebody coming over the middle, somebody just getting absolutely docked. You don't really
see it too much out of golf. Yeah, and I said this all
the time too. When it comes like the deep ball I think the same
way too, with those like the sideline throws and Aaron Rodger's always makeing just
putting people's heads with Jordan Nelson like dropping it in a bucket. Yeah,
those kind of throws. It happens. Yes, I make the analogy to
the home runer all the time. Almost everybody in them can hit win.
The good guys are hitting more of them. Yes, you know what I'm
saying. It's not that you can't do it. It's just not a strength
per se. But to Paul Tom Cody Ingle says, it's not a weakness
though easy. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think, yeah,
it's something that this guy has over him. Yes, i'd say the
other thing I saw already for Paul Thomas. It's a classic easy and flannel
argument. Uh, find the stats support your air? Did? I don't
think I brought up a single stat during the Jordan Love rant. I just
gave you, like, yeah, I gave you the numbers the other day.
Yeah, I told you he's mobile. It takes ten place he's mobile
to run. They get two and forty seven yards and four touchdowns. Eye
testing plays a pretty big factor in it, thank you. And then that's
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get a number in there, you guys. I don't have headphones? Yeah,
what happened? There's some over there? Is there? Know what happened?
We'll figure out. I'll get some headphones in the back if I have
to. But BURTA. Commas just says, and he was at his best
when Aaron Jones was back right on the topic of needing things to be perfect
around him. He's still gonna have a great offensive line. And last summer
checked for the game well the second game where the one on the run.
It was in Detroit. Aaron Jones didn't play that game. It was it
was it was Dylan and whoever the helllse they had back there and he put
on a clinic. He just did this. He did. But I mean,
I don't don't know. I don't want to get disrespectful, but I
just see, I don't what you said. That is how I feel.
If you see it in the way, I just don't think, you know,
well, i'd be forth fright with it. That's that's why I'm I'm
not mad at it, because like when you watch him play, you could
see like like there's it's okay to be on the ice side to where it's
you're not gonna you don't want to say it now because you need to see
him do it again, But yeah, if he does it again, I'm
gonna say it. If he goes out there and does exactly what I'm say,
it's like it's okay to to say that there's people better then got and
like because our guys still going to ball. Yes, he's still gonna put
these numbers that you guys love to spew out. He's still gonna do the
same thing. It's the same offense that arguably, arguably could have gotten better
just experience of guys like Sam Lao Porter and Jamier Gibbs. So like offensive
line, I think there's more. I think there's a better pass protection now
for j G two. I think just him being this offense for year three
of the things, he's gonna be more comfortable to go outside of his box
and make those plays outside the structure or off off scheduled throws, just because
he knows where his guys are gonna be, so that blitz doesn't work against
him anymore. Right now, this year, Jared Goff, we can win
a Super Bowl with him right now. This is in no shape or form
as a knock on j Yeah, It's just it's an assessment of skills.
Like for me, if you put Jordan Love in the offense that Jared Goff
had last year, I think he would put up better numbers. If you
put Jordan Love in the offense that Brock Party had last year, I think
he would put up better numbers than Brock Purty. Like I just think he's
the skill set is what puts him apart. But I need to see him
do it again before I stake my claim. And one other piece of it
too, I guess so if I just because I'm going to attack for this
guy, so I have to. I'm sorry for spinning and apologize to Chris
Nick and if you guys don't want to hear more of it. But like
another thing, the wide receivers right, all sophomore to rookie season guys who
like again, I think I think I brought up earlier where people are like,
okay, jam will your three like this is it guys, He's gonna
be like he's getting better now. Like those guys are going through the same
situation. They don't have a single wide receiver overree thousand yards. I think
they have a single wide receiver at nine hundred yards because that's the other piece
of it. Two. The one thing I love about JG. He spreads
that ball around. He plays smart football. Yeah, like rotters set football.
I Q for one of those skill sets. I checked the green box
for that because yeah, I put that over Jordan Love for him right now,
because yeah, that Jordan Love does that too. Those wide receivers again,
sophomore to rookie year guys spreading the love no pun intended. Cardbody's eating.
Cardier says what is Jordan Love shown to believe in him in the playoffs
and beat that game? And when he went into Dallas and beat Dallas,
they lost to the forty nine nurse. We lost to the forty nine ers.
Stuff like that. That like like, uh, Danny G, Like
you know, I love you guys, Cardio, Danny G. Danny G.
This debate is wild. Can't believe Love is getting more credit for half
a season than Golf has in his that has ever in his career. That's
that sounds like defensive to me, Like like, Jordan Love played the whole
season last year. It's not like he only played half a season. He
played the whole season last year and he looked damn good doing it. So
it's it's not like like it's it's all right. You guys don't have to
defend this guy so much. He's a big boy. You can fight his
own battles and if you, if he wants to prove people wrong, you
can go out there and play better, play better than what Jordan Love does.
And that's again I'm not saying I take him over him, because I
would take Jared Goff next year, especially in this offense. But we'll see.
I mean gun guy who usually and I'll just say it for him,
take your pants off. Chime in with a take QV numbers don't need to
be great when you have two thousand yard rushers. Definitely helps one point.
I mean, obviously Gibbs just missed it. That's what I'm saying. JG
is and where he needs to be to be elite, to be the best
version of Jared Goff. We have that right now and that's what we're seeing
right now. And that's why you guys are willing or able to have these
conversations. I just I he is and I'm saying he is that. I'm
just saying, like in a vacuum, I would take these other people over
JJ's gounball. Yeah, I don't. I don't get why this is in
a lot of people's mind, not a conversation. I just don't see it
when you when you look at the totality of it, because yes, Jared
Goff is in a situation not just that works for Jared Golf, that would
work for any quarterback almost. I mean you put damn near well, you
know, definitely definitely the quality of the of the quality ones we're not talking,
you know, we're not talking the Bailey Zappies of the world. But
you know when you when you mentioned the top twenty, the top twenty quarterbacks,
I think you put all of them in the Lions system and they will
they will look better than than they than they do or most of them.
But I go ahead. I'm sorry, no, I I just I just
want to say, like, it's it's the it's the ability, it's ability
and the skill factor potential that that Love shows. I don't get why this
is so hard to see. He wopped that Dallas team in there on their
own field in his first playoff game as a starter. How do are you
not looking at that guy and projecting growth. We do it every year with
these Lions players. So I think it's a fair conversation. But I'm I'm
with Spencer right now. To me, the biggest difference is that is that
the continuity, the difference in talent does not equate, does not quite as
strongly as the continuity that Jared Goff have. Yeah, meaning I wouldn't trade.
I don't think Jordan Love is three years of chemistry in the same offense
better than Jared Goff right now, which is why I would take Jared Goff
and everybody's saying like he sucked. He sucked. He was so bad at
the beginning of the year. He really only had two really bad games,
and that was against us the first time in against the Raiders. The Raiders
game was awful against Us the first time was really bad. The rest of
it it was pretty chalk until he got until he really hit his stride and
then was performing at a different level. But it's not like he was awful
for the entire first first half of the season. JG has everything around him
to compete with Jordan Love if he continues on that streak that some people project
him to be. That was the one part of the argument where like I
can't, I can't like disagree with It's like we got to see more of
it. Yes, I do need to see more of it before I'll put
him over Jared Goff, But like like I said, eye test wise,
when I look at him and I see how he extends plays and how he
makes throws on the run, and I'm like, damn, I wish my
quarterback could do that. Yeah, say that easy. Let's not forget though.
The Packers added a lot of talent to him in the second round with
Watson, with Reid and with Muskrave, Watson only played like eight I didn't
even say, like seven and a half games. And I can only speak
to that because I've had him on Fantasy where he started games, didn't finish
two of them last year and then also only played like seven actual ones and
still was just dealing with the hamstring all year long. Like that, that's
the guy he pointed to his number one. Other than that, it was
Dobbs, it was Wicks, and it was uh Reed and he utilized them
all. That's just like that's that's like phenomenal to do. Matthew Stafford.
I think he was conspoiled with the guy we had in that chair earlier in
Calvin Johnson, where like it felt like he wouldn't look elsewhere, and he
felt he developed that. Then after obviously Calvin left, he had to spread
the ball around a little bit more, but he would have his favorites and
it was very obvious something that both Jordan Love and Jared Goff do really well.
It spread the ball around and just make the right read. Like the
Packers offense is just as nuanced as ours when it comes like those motions,
those option routes, uh timing of your cadence, so those guys can hit
the motion and hit the route on time and then making the readoff of those
two. It is the Sean McVay laflor is from the Sean McVay tree.
But again, don't even care to how the conversation. JG's in the perfect
situation where he can compete with the guy like love. He can get that
w over him unless but you have even more stays to nick on the he
paid four four through twelve weeks and the playoffs. But I mean, yeah,
obviously he wasn't there the whole season. But I'm just saying they have
used capital to try to god, what's the word, uh, insulate him
like to obviously with weapons as well. Maybe Watson got hurt last year,
but I mean he has three second round targets when it comes to the offensive
side of the ball. I mean, yeah, so what I mean you
got to make them look good too. But that's talent around you, Like
everybody, it's young talent. It's like they're not proving guys. And it
was shared across every single if it was like one of those guys Brown Williams,
those are all three young guys as well that Golf has made look good.
The offensive line has had what four I think three first round picks on
it. Yeah, I mean that we've invested in the line, no doubt.
It's more than just skill positions when it comes to offense, I guess
and for Nick though, like, so what what skills would you have?
JG categorized over love on just skills, I think you can just demand an
offense better where commanded the offense, command of the offense, maybe make different
reads better when it comes to audibles the first year, yah, maybe well,
and we'll see how love develops. Like it always comes back to.
But you guys, remember Demont's run last season that was on golf. Maybe
it doesn't come up in the stat sheet, but that's a big deal making
the change. Had Montgomery audible run. No, no, no, that
was Ben Johnson told Golf to do that. Yeah, you cut the postgame
presser, you said it all right, obviosly JG assumed me to call.
So these none of these are knocks. None of these are knocks on JG.
These are just I guess, ironing out any misunderstandings there may have been
command the offense is any other skill sets you put JG over Love on.
I mean, I mean just thinking out for rip. I mean you're putting
me on the spot here. I don't really have anything besides the command of
the offense. Obviously the mobility Love is better, like that is big when
it comes to running for a first down or say extending the play. Obviously
Love is better with that. But I mean just off rip them. Thinking
in the middle, accuracy golf is like some of the best in the league.
Like what in my eyes just off sperience. I have no issue saying
football IQ. I think when you have JG's skill set, you need football
like Q surviving the league alone. But those are things, like Spath said,
like you probably get, you probably get as it goes along. I
think he already has some of it, by the way too. Yeah,
definitely, you know, being being a veteran, Jared Goff will be able
to command the offense more and be able to do different things because he's been
there before and he's done that of course, so that's for sure. I'll
give it to him. I'll get. I'll give him accuracy for sure,
I'll get. I'll give him, like you said, football at Q command
of the offense definitely, because he's been in that system for three years now
with the with the same head coach, the same play caller, and some
of the same weapons. So that's uh going on three years now, so
that's definitely something I'd give him for sure. Uh Bort says, golf is
better in the pocket, Jordan Love is better out of the pocket. That'd
be true. But also Jordan Love has ever had the pockets like JG's working
with. And I know there's like, uh, I think I saw his
posts like time to throw whatever, like when you're running, you're extending your
time as well, mm hmm. But yeah, just just clean it out.
And I'm glad I actually got that off my chest because unless obviously I
people won't call him and discuss it, I'm done with that one. I
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guys have it already, carrying on the show. Got Detroit Lions, you
got Jim Harbaut, Dan Campbe. Let's help out the receivers because I feel
like I want to talk about it before it bypasses me. Detroit Lions wanted
to bring back Josh Mendles just they did. Brad Holmes said it himself,
he would have an A plus offseason now just the only thing he wasn't able
to get done was like keeping Josh Renolds. I think number one wide receivers
are good. Wide receivers come in all shapes and sizes. You have the
Calvin Johnson's, you have the Hermer Moore's, you have the Amal Saint Brown's.
You have to see, there's all different kind of guys that can still
be a number one wide receiver for you. I think they want something specific
or at least liked what Reynolds offered in terms of like his route running and
smoothness. I think DPJ, obviously as an athlete, is going to give
you those highlight plays and can make those highlight plays. But I think we
have that and Jama at least, and DBJ probably plays this wide receiver three
row. I'm moving into this season and this is on the topic because you're
making a face because we're talking about Detroit Lions didn't resigned or didn't re sign,
didn't acquire Tyler Boyd. A lot of people thought they would be able
to get I still like Zay Jones is out there, They're still gonna be
training camp cuts. I'm honestly curious what's gonna happen in Tennessee when because they
have three amazing wide receivers right now, We're not amazing, but three really
good wide receivers DeAndre Hopkins on the back end. They also grabbed Calvin Ridley
where they paid a lot. They paid very handsomely and obviously they drafted.
Uh oh, I'm sorry, they just signed h Tyler Board as well.
People are actual talking about they're gonna trade what's his name? The guy,
uh, the wide receiver they drafted in the second or first round? Lan
Burks. Oh, yeah, Traylon Burks out of Arkansas. I believe I
can't hear them. D Yes, Traylon Burks. Yes, so maybe he
gets cut or traded. Detroit Lions acquired that one. Maybe Jondrey Hopkins get
cut or traded and he makes you guys know where it was born Traylon Burks.
Traylon Burks, Yes, that interested and Flint really said again, Traylon
Burke's born in Flint? Oh really, are you saying? Raylon? And
Traylon just throwing me off? Keep hearing, Dre you just muted yourself.
I kind of spoke to that this question. Let's talk receivers then, speaking
sports, I'm around the top five wide receiver ones coming all shapes and sizes.
They yeah, well, yeah, I'm around is to the top five
receiver? Yes? Wait, who who said that? Uh? Your guy
Detroge Premcy. You put him in and then almost any offense, and he's
still gonna be a bad ass because he is just a bad ass all around.
But Traylon Burks option for I mean, like, I guess where are
you at, DPJ? Are you still looking? Are you still shopping?
If you're bright home? I mean I think they are. I don't think
the fight ever ends. Like it's never a bad thing to have too many
receivers, too many talented receivers that can go out there and make plays.
Do think they have confidence in Donovan People Jones and what he can bring to
this offense as I do as well. I think Donovan Peoples Jones could be
a very very suitable wide receiver. Three. I talked about how he can
you know he'll be a red zone threat for this team based on his size
and his leaping ability and his athleticism and different things like that. But yeah,
I don't think they're just not looking anymore, because, like you said,
they want it. Even with Josh Reynolds still on this air, with
Donovan Peoples Jones on this team, they wanted to bring back Josh Reynolds.
I think part of that is because of the familiarity he has with this offense.
The connection he has with Jared Goff is definitely a big part of it.
But also maybe they're not as confident in Josh Reynolds as they'd like to
be. So Traylon Burks would be awesome if you could. You'd get him
as cheap right now. You get extremely extremely cheap for the upside that he
has. He does get injured a lot, but we know that that makes
Brad Holmes want him even more. So I would love to see if they
went after a guy like Traylan Burks. But look out for the post camp
cuts. I think that's where they're going to be hunting guys, and I
think wide receiver and defense vend are going to be very highly commodited or highly
coveted, coveted commodities for the Detroit Lions for post camp cuts. Nick Treylon
Burks is interesting. I liked him coming out of college, but I remember
like early and I think his rookie camp I remember, I think there was
a story of him, not like it was with the coaches. Maybe he
came in over weight or something. I'm trying to find it real quick to
confirm exactly what it was, but I don't think he's a Dan Campbell Brad
Holme type of guy, like from what I can remember coming out. I
mean, obviously we haven't seen much on the field, but former first round
pick, the talents, there is this a guy where you buy super low
on and he turns into something within the right locker room, and obviously with
the right guys around him, I would be intrigued. But I don't know
if he fits what obviously this team wants to do. I mean, yeah,
I don't know him as a person. I can't say if he's a
Dan Campbell, if he is the kind of person they're looking forward to bring
into this locker room. But I can tell you what his skill set is,
the type of thing they're trying to be bringing this locker room beside and
athleticism is the type of wide receiver they're trying to bring in this locker room.
So that's I don't I don't know the guy personally, so I don't
know if he is a Dan Campbell guy or anything like that. But he
hasn't done anything to prove that he isn't. I'll say that, Yeah,
I'm not as familiar with Tray Lion. I mean, I think he's a
lower, more slower paced guy. I traded for him in Fantasy last year
Tyreek Hill for treylon Berg straight up. What oh oh oh and no shame
that ynor league, no honor league. What what is he like? Is
he like one of those bigger bodies? I mean I see him as the
bigger body guy. Yeah, who was like just routing up. I don't
know if he is as nuanced in the routes. But if he becomes available
for something affordable, I mean I could guess. I could see it happened.
I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't expect it. I think i'd
be more I'm more expecting, like I say, Jones, that I am
that happening. And that's nigga. No knocks onmbursh although he has been the
wide receiver one there for or supposed to be the wide receiver one there,
and he you have to live up to that. Not even like a even
lash with Hopkins, he was gonna do much either. So easy you converted
to people. Danny g and Cardier both love Jordan love now so yeah,
that's uh, I don't love him. I know they're trolley. Yeah that's
disgusting. You love him, he's a he's a division opponent, but it
sucks I didn't get rid of so I'll put you that way. But I
think they even if it's just about it, only what we talked about it
with them for a little bit, but only four and a half million.
Yeah, something's up there. Something smells fishy because that makes zero sense because
he has what two thousand yard seasons I know for at least for sure one
and if not, he's always just right there every single year. He stepped
up in times, not obviously in the chase role, but he's done.
He's played the outside and he's had to. Like I think it's an injury
or added to or something. He might be the step wide receiver. He's
the wide receiver stepped up and he really is. Though it makes no sense
that four and a half million. I mean even the guy like DJ Shark,
who I guess I'd be going to say he's shaky or has been shaky
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Woodward's Sports sent you. I feel like if DPJ can get their art running
down, and I'm not even questioning he's right running for Sam's not as familiar
with it as with the guys in the past, and obviously he's also have
another year under the belt, or obviously he's on the belt with JG.
I think he could provide more like playmaking, if that makes sense, like
like yack, like catching the ball and taking it at forty afterward. Yeah,
I mean he was a hell of a kick return too, if I'm
not mistaken, like, I think he could provide that spark that we haven't
seen and maybe he I think he may have a surprised the Lions in that
way, just because he was really utilized too often, like last year.
I see him being like, yeah, third or fourth, I mean,
that's why he's that anyway as are in terms of like yack on the team.
Yeah, I mean yeah, he's probably the second best athlete you've got
at the wide receiver position, like a freaking nature. He's fast, he's
tall, you can jump, no bag. What's one sports event or stadium
you want to see before you go? Uh Massis from romanceas Square Garden for
next game playoff? Yeah, the Garden. I have a few, to
be honest to you. If Soldier Field that storied as like Lambo and shit
fuck Soldier Field, the definitely the barriers, like is it Lambo would be
cool? I would like to go to Lambo on the Lambo. I want
to go to Vegas. I want to go so Fi. So far would
be sweet, looks amazing. I heard my boys went to so Fi a
couple of years ago. They said it was dope. I would like to
go to Wrigley and Fenway. Like to go to the super Bowl in Detroit.
Yeah, like that, that'd be sick. I would like to,
uh if Wisconsin was extremely good and Michigan traveled out there for h I think
it's called Camp Randall jump around. I think that would be sick atmosphere.
Hell yeah for me. I check out that. I don't know the name
of it. That that new like state of the art c G. I.
I think it's in like l A that concert venue or Vegas, you
know, the fucking sphere. Yeah, that's one actually fears on my list.
I'm gonna go to. The Number one for me is MSG for next
game though, for sure. Gross there is one of the places to in
Colorado, the Red Rocks. Yeah, Amphitheater. Yeah, yeah, that's
one for me too. Red Rocks would be cool. My brother goes there
a lot, mil Bag. I want to go to a hard Rocks stadium
too. I just like how it looks. That's Vegas outside, No,
that's it's a Dolphins stadium. I just think it looks, did you know.
I don't know if I talk about this on the show or not,
but the way that stadium is built for when the sun's casted, it's constantly
beaming on the visiting team, but then the home team. Yeah, always
in shade. That's brilliant, smartest going that in a place like a floor.
I just saw one who will be second team division Uh Cardier s Packers.
Yeah the Packers, uh said the Bears, which I was surprised at.
Yeah, I would be surprised, but I wouldn't be surprised in the
trenches for me. But like, I think they're gonna be better, but
I still don't trust their offensive and defensive line like I do the Lions or
you definitely see the kid that grabbed the second round pen out, the one
from b YU crazy name, but I like, darn All right, I'm
not gonna even though I shipped on the fucking uh definitely had a slam dunk
over the Bears fans last week. The guy showing double team reps and chips
against Hutch and be like, look at Darnell right dominate. Yeah in the
game, Beach, I can see the Bears getting arrowhead was amazing, says
Michael. That would be sweet too. Oh, yeah, that's true.
Even time, I don't know, I haven't even't tied my mile in a
while. DNC and DOT can't respond, right, is Drake too deep since
he essentially admitted to being a Hell's Angel on top of beefing, What the
Hell's angel? It's Kristin Harper? Harper the hottest quarterback wife in the NFL
currently. I'm not gonna disrespect a guy like that. But JG's doing really
good from Yeah, that's not disrespect at all. Jared Goff, your wife,
your fiance hot like yeah, I can't think of any off the top
of my head that are hiring Kristin Harper. She's a smoke show. Miss
Mahalmes doesn't do it for you, No, I'll disrespect her. She is,
oh got fine wine terrible? See what baby mill bag? Easy?
Do you agree that the Lions offense has to be a lot better next year
when it comes the third quarter because it was a big problem against San Francisco.
I absolutely believe that, Yeah, what was it? Sorry, Lion's
offense is being better than those third quarters. I think the team as a
whole, that's for sure. They need to break the halftime better. And
you can't have this guy always walks around slow as I just I want them
to run the ball more coming out of halfs. I know it would be
expected and that's why they do what they do. Wow, god damn good
job. Yeah you did it right, m You got to see a little
bit the way. I'd like to run the ball a lot more out of
third quarter. I don't really know what the answer is. A lot of
weird stuff seems to happen to it. Yeah, the third quarter. I
don't know. It's a real thing. There's no answer, rhyme, or
reason to it. It's a little bit of football. Yeah, that Bears
game. Yeah, that San Francisco game. I wish they ran the ball
more than the third Silkie Johnson mailbag. What Mario character represents your personality?
Most represents your personal bowser? Your bowser? For sure? You just be
kidnapping. What do you saying? He said you just be kidnapping? Wow,
yeah, you're Wallowigi. I would say Donkey Kong probably Yeah, Yeah,
it's Chris is Wallow. I would say, I'm worried You'regi. He's
wall Wo that or like the the mushroom guy Toady. No, he's Walgi
fits his body type too, that's fair. Yeah, that's way more accurate.
I'm gonna lie. Was kind of like warrior. So Kelly Staff would
like a word with you. Chef says she's gonna have a war with the
wall. She's nowhere near Kristin Harper. Yeah, she talked, not even
close. She ye, dude, boo her and boo boom No blieres has
make me feel blessed with the various ms I've been to, age has some
benefits, I guess yeah, I mean that's dope. Which once you've been
to h do you think the hype from the NFL Draft and Detroit will help
the convincing players to come play for the Pistons. No, no, no,
first half, not gonna lie, but not the Pistols. No one
wants to convince me like anything as possible. And then you mentioned play for
the Pistos brand new stadium. I do though it works towards bringing like the
All Star Game to Detroit, which allegedly the mayor the mayor had conversations and
reports that the mayor had conversation with Adam Silver after that, so it definitely
opens the door for that. Because I think Detroit should Hashtago the kids.
I hate kids, you know, I'm on board for that for sure.
Speaking of stadiums, real quick shout out Raymond James Stadium in Tampa. That
was honestly a really cool experience this season. That was I would definitely go
back there, and the fans were cool as well. D n C And
says, Chris is Princess Peach so vulnerable. I didn't want to say it,
you know, I didn't see that convince that convinced the chat that Drake
won. So Peach is a badass honestly. Uh so, if you I
forget who the what the name of the original girl in Mario is the one
that gets Yeah, I forget her name, but she gets just kidnapped by
Donkey Kong in like Donkey. She's it's not Peach. Everybody thinks it's Peach,
but it's not actually here. I can't remember her name. I know
this. They did a good job in the Super Mario movie Mario. They
gave her the independent bad bitch as but wasn't did feel forced? No,
that's what Peach is ship Yeah, yeah, no, Peach savage. She
pulls out the pan. I'm not gonna read this one out loud, but
absolutely, mister Detroit City, that's my theory as to why she is Oh
yeah, oh, she absolutely phenomenal. There's no other reason you want,
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