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Oh, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willisher, host and I'm

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excited about tonight's show. Our guest
this evening is Tom Conwell, he'll be

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talking UFOs. Of course, before
that, I have invited by good friend

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Lee Spiegel to swing by, so
he will be dropping in first. And

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I wanted to say last week,
I hope you enjoyed our guest Linda Zimmerman.

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I thought she was fantastic, and
you know, I got to thinking

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about one night when I couldn't sleep, I got to thinking about she would

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be great on the SCU team,
that's the scientific Coalition for UAP Studies.

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So I contacted Robert Powell over there
and I said, you ought to check

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out this podcast, and he did, and he thought she was fantastic.

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And Linda just sent me an email
just a couple of minutes ago saying that

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it's official. She is now on
the SCU team. And I love when

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things like that happened. She totally
deserves it. I'm very excited for her.

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And if you miss that show,
I would say go back and check

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it out because it's a it's a
real good one. Don't forget to check

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our website. That's podcast ufo dot
com and this week's blog by Charles Lear

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is called UFOs Versus Flying Saucers in
nineteen fifty seven and excellent read. And

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by the way, if you are
listening to our podcast in our podcast feed

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now, Charles every week is doing
an audio blog and that'll be dropping in

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the podcast feed about midweek every week. So we always encourage people to read

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the blog, but because he has
links to a lot of what he's talking

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about in the blog itself. But
if you want to listen to the audio

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blog, and if you're driving whatever, you can check that out. A

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couple of other things before we get
started here, I wanted to talk about

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the net Flix Unsolved Mysteries episode Burke
Shares UFO. I don't know if anyone

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has out there has missed that,
or if you get a chance, please

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watch it. I got to tell
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episode. That whole case is just
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before I knew it as the read
UFO and it's so much more and it's

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just fascinating. And if you have
watched that, you'll be familiar with Tom

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Warner. He's the artist in the
show that was actually I guess the only

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person that's ever someone has ever witness
that was in a beam that came down

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by UFO and vanished right in front
of this woman's eyes. And then he

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re revanished a while later, you
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It's just an amazing story. Anyway, Tom is coming up. Tom Warner

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is coming up on the anniversary the
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It's fifty fifty first anniversary of the
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nine. So I'm really looking forward
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Tom for maybe an hour and a
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nice guy. We have a lot
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it's it's really it's going to be
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that one to happen. Also,
has anyone out there if you haven't watched

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these, uh these videos on YouTube
called the Body Language Panel. They are

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just amazing. They've actually tackled a
few people in the UFO field and what

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their thoughts were and you know,
the signs of either deceit or not deceit.

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And so they will actually be coming
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couple of weeks, all four of
them, so that ought to be a

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lot of fun. And getting back
to the website podcast ufo, you can

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see our Patreon link. Anyone can
support the show. Thank you for all

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that do. If you don't,
you can't, that's fine. Thank you

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for listening. We appreciate every single
one of you. And just one more

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thing, there is an anonymous UFO
siting form on podcast ufo dot com.

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There's a little little menu to that
and anyone can fill out. If they

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don't want to go public, they
can fill out the form there and I

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will look at it and post it. And we have a lot of really

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interesting sightings that you'll never see anywhere
else. So check that out on podcast

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ufo dot com and my art just
real quickly, I did say that was

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a last thing, but I did
want to say I am painting, and

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out in front of my house is
uh. I saw a really cute puppy

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they're called pup seals or baby Seal
sea lion, and so I decided I

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was going to paint paint a picture
of him. Here he is here,

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So check out my art website if
you will. That's not even on there

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yet. I just finished it this
morning. And that's Martin Willis art dot

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com. And you know that's enough
of me blabbing away right here, and

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I'm gonna bring in my good friend
Lee Spiegel. Welcome to the show.

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Lee, Well, it's so nice
to be here. I love your art.

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And oh what happened to you?
Lee thing? I'm right sorry?

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There you are, Okay, I
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It's strange lights that are Yeah,
it's the men in black again. Yeah,

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I was, I was. God. I was trying to pay you

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a nice compliment. I can't take
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That's good. Well, I was
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because I'm honored to be one of
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pieces of art. Oh really,
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but I thought that was Dave Marler. Well, no, you had sent

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me something as well, and and
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forget how it turned out. But
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art, uh, And knowing that
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you actually suggested that that we we
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Marler, and I believe it's up
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I actually saw it. He was
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my painting in the background there.
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it was great because I saw the
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the table there with Chris mellon UFOs, I could see my UFO album on

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the wall there. So we're both
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down there. Um, yeah,
we are in the island, Long Island.

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We've got our power back, and
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be the first person online to wish
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and one that you actually missed last
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the whole works, right. Yeah, yeah, I was. I

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was getting ready to celebrate my first
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Radio, and um, what I
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thing to do was to have doctor
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was my very first guest a year
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power, no show, and so
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we reran. We rebroadcast that very
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he's going to be again in another
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about and then we'll be live,
so it'll be very but it's fun.

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It's sometimes it's a little odd to
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a show that's being rebroadcast and to
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talking to someone else. I sit
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There's another least bagel out there.
It can't possibly make Will someone explain

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this to me? Yeah? You
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personalities. Yeah, yeah, from
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yeah, that's right. So,
just so everyone knows, your show is

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on Thursdays, and it's eight to
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And I'm I'm a listener, you
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of I've listened to very few shows, but I've listened to as many of

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your shows as I can. You
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you know, your background. For
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can you tell him you were on
NBC radio. I was on NBC Radio

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for eight years between nineteen seventy eight
to nineteen eighty six, and that that

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span of eight years had me on
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paranormal radio broadcasts. It was an
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back then. And the reason that
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I was At the end of nineteen
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the United Nations and they thought,
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guy and see if he wants to
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And that's that's how it all evolved. But it was just that whole

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time doing the United Nations, getting
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a feature writer for Omni magazine.
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around saying to France, please pinch
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on. It's like, I mean, you and I know we're are radio

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kind of personalities, and in the
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try and get up to the bigger
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being in market Los Angeles, Chicago, and my very first attempt at

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being on radio was in the number
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New York, and I was there
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luck that that kind of thing would
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talking about, UFOs, Poltergeist,
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was all over the place. That's
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to ask you this because I can
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wondered if you if it's happened to
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and say, hey, look,
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record, but you can't tell anyone
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stuff. Yes it does happen.
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come across in a really credible,
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the story. And I understand why
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stories, because there is still that
stigma in the world where people are afraid.

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Not only are they afraid to tell
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report even the most minor and smallest
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sky. People are afraid of ridicule. Duh, who isn't afraid of being

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ridiculed. It's not as bad as
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there. But the people that mostly
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people in our business and say,
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you can't really mention it to anyone
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Are the military eyewitnesses or the airline
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Martin. If you happen to see
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the History Channel on Saturday, it
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airline encounters. And I haven't seen
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two behind, and but I've I've
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typical, but there are people out
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little bit here and there, but
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great season. It's so much different
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have, in my opinion, well, they've got some really good people that

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have come forward, and especially with
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that airline pilots are reluctant because they're
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to go public with reports of things
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regular flight from here to there with
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lives depend on the skills and the
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When I say these things, UFOs
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them. Now, these things do
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And it doesn't matter that the UFOs
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another. They but they do like
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get sometimes very close to airliners,
and the pilots, you know, they're

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not trained to avoid these kinds of
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They are trained, and they're flying
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pieces of equipment that can out maneuver
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of but all of our commercial airline
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airlines they can't get out of the
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maneuvers and go up and down.
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sit there and report on the radio
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front of us, and there's anybody
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In time after time, all these
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radar controls are saying, now,
we're not painting anything on our radar right

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now in your vicinity. And you
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understand why is that such a big
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to UAPs, for talking about a
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technology is, well, then why
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our little twenty first century radar scopes. It doesn't seem like a big

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deal to me, but people go, oh, if it's not on radar,

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you must not have seen anything.
It must have been Oh, venus

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was out pretty bright tonight. Yeah. No, I want to continue on

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that because I never never thought another
thought on that as well. But Stephen

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is asking if you believe there will
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and there in recent years there have been

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people on the hill in Washington that
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meetings with some of the Navy pilots
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ten years, and there is great
interest on the Hill. There's a there's

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a bill that's going through now that
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by or promoted by Florida Senator Marco
Rubio. They're trying to get to the

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bottom of what's what's out there?
What are these vehicles, who do they

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belong to and if they're not belonging
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we can't really speculate on who they
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don't know. All that we know
for sure is that there are things out

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there flying in our skies with impunity. They can go wherever they want,

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whenever they want, and they can
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control of what they do. But
because we can't get close enough to them

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to pin them down doesn't mean that
the bunkers have the right to ridicule the

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reports. I have a real craw
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of attitude. I mean, just
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of weeks, I read something I
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by lead scientists set Shawstack from the
SETI Institute in which you saw that talk

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talking about UFOs and and I like
Seth, he's a very nice he's a

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very smart guy. But but but
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SETI Institute, the Search for Extraterrestrial
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and they're doing a good job using
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signal in in the universe somewhere that
says high. But but they will not

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consider the decades worth of lots of
evidence, of different kinds of evidence that

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something is visiting Earth right now,
right here, and some people are saying

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that they're landing in their backyards.
We can't just throw all of that testimony

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out the window. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely right. And and and

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I agree with you. I did
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like they can they come in and
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seen. I think so, and
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someone brought up a really good point
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is, if you know, why
do they have lights? Why would they

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have lights. Yeah, and that's
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there. I may I may have
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because I've talked about this even on
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my brother, my younger brother,
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rural New Hampshire where I grew up, and one of his sons, Zachary,

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my nephew, said, look,
Daddy, this, what's that strange

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light in this guy? Maybe it's
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of the road and get out of
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very quickly it was probably a small
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a local airport. So they got
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said, that's a really good question, zach I'll tell you what. When

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we get home. Why don't you
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him because he might have a good
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what they did. Zachary called me
Uncle Lee. We saw this thing,

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and I want to know, why
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I said, well, Zachary,
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they they obviously don't need their lights
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our vehicles, whether it's planes,
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able to see each other, either
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front of us, so we don't
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do so many incredible maneuvers, they
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to keep them from hitting each other. So the only other thing I can

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think of, Zach is I think
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show themselves when they want to be
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seen, they know how to hide
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keep it simple, Martin. Let's
keep it in and they've got lots of

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lights. As we know so many
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They have other stuff to do.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Someone

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just someone sending me Howard Stern.
Oh, anyway, that's Bill. Bill

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Skywatcher said, there's some clip did
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right on your show. No,
you were on his show that I used

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to be on his show. We
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same time in the mid to late
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yeah, and so he used to
he used to go on and he would

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he would promote my Sunday evening broadcast, and he would sometimes have me come

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into the studio and sit with him, and then he would just he would

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just pull me apart and pull my
audience apart, and and do satires about

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me. And he would go on
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to be me, and then he
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He was like, so totally totally
crazy. Um but it raised it

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raised the level of my audience because
of the curiosity factor that he brought to

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his audience. Who's this guy?
Least peakle that he's promoting U? And

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so my audience numbers went up.
Actually yeah, uh yeah, he was.

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Bill was going to try to send
me a clip, but I won't

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be able to play it with Howard
Stern. But anyway, so your show,

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I know you've got to get going. Your show is on Thursday nights,

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Thursday nights kg R A radio.
And is there a couple of things,

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um Lee, Is there is there
a way that people can find out

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when and who's on your shows?
During the week. Um, it's Twitter,

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right, use Twitter? Yes,
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either like Monday or Tuesday. I
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Twitter or on my Facebook Facebook least
pegal. I'll always have a few sentences

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about what's coming up on Thursday show, and I'll have a nice banner that

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shows who my guest is going to
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I've got got a great guest,
Caroline Corey, who's been on before.

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She's an amazing writer, author,
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has a brand new film out called
Superhuman, The Invisible Made Visible, and

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it's got She's so connected to scientists
around the world who are doing amazing work

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with individuals, normal people, not
magical people, not llamas from Tibet,

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people who have experiences with extrasensory perception, the powers of the mind and consciousness,

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mind over matter experiments. And when
you see this film that she's put

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together. I saw her last night, it's it's incredible what people can do

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when they're guided under controlled conditions by
scientists, real PhD University scientists who have

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flabbergacied and what people can do and
they're filming these people. It's it's amazing.

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It's going to change how we feel
about these things, what the mind

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can do and that word consciousness.
And on the screen, there's Caroline right

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now on your on your screen.
Uh. She does she does great work.

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And I met her last year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, excellently

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well as always, it's always fun
having you on. I never have to

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I never have to worry about being
being any different than that, Thank you,

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sir. Yeah, and uh,
I encourage everyone to check out his

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show. Now, just one quick
question. Archives. Uh. Can people

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listen to archives of your show?
Yes, they can, and in fact,

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as I understand it right now,
they can hear archives of the show.

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Uh. And and Bill Skywatcher,
our wonderful studio producer, can also

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give you the exact address, and
I can. I can send it to

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where people can just go to and
click on it. It's it's at a

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site called spreaker. I believe that
they can go there and when they get

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to the site, they can hear
my show, I think your show as

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well any of the shows that are
on KGRA, and they can they can

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click on whichever show in the archive
they want to hear. They just click

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on it. It's a quick download
and they can play them to their hearts

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content. Awesome. All right,
Lee, Well keep up the great work

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and I'll talk to you soon.
A pleasure, all right, take care

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bye bye. All right, our
guests. Our guest tonight, Tom Conwell,

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Uh he has written a number of
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and he's also uh I know that
he's in the works of working on

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a book about messages from encounters,
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have I have brought up many times
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with no further ado, welcome to
the show. Tom, Thank you

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very for having me. Yeah.
Okay, for a second there, I

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thought you were still muted. I
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yeah. So uh, let's start
at the beginning. You're you're when did

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you first get an interest in the
UFO topic. Well, first of all,

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you have you have a background in
electronics, right, yes, I

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do, yeah, UM a lot
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into electronics when I was in the
Navy, and I got my training and

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UM metrology, which is a science
of measurement, and UM I went to

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Honeywell and I worked for Honeywell for
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UM, and then I retired,
and right after retirement, I got into

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the paranormal field. Um, but
your original question related to when was I

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first interested? When I was first
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was when I was about ten.
My uh, my aunt uh as A

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was an astronomer, and she was
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and I got an opportunity to go
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conferences, and I was hooked.
I wanted to know what was out there

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and what was going on, and
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a lot of conversations with her about
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the distances and stars and all that
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a few long discussions concerning that,
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wondering when she talked about the distances
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then, how did the UFOs get
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they always were here. So I
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I wonder to myself how they would
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kind of distance, because I knew
that it was a big deal for us

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at that time to just get to
the moon. Well, how did they

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get here? You know? So
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had some very long discussions in our
in our trips to the conferences. Yeah

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yeah, how about that? Wow? And uh so you actually wrote your

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first Well how did you actually,
in adulthood get into the UFO topic?

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uh um was looking for something to
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UM, UFOs and the paranormal.
So I got I didn't win the paranormal

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team, and the paranormal team wanted
me to to um also look into the

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UFOs subject. So I did a
little of both. I was paranormal investigating

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and I was writing into the paranormal
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I did in order to write in
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about UFOs and I put those blogs
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realized it was it was book links. I never realized that I did that,

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so I um um put that together
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that one after I had written my
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were, if they were collecting anywhere, and what else was going on?

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So it was pretty interesting. Uh
huh uh. And so when did you

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actually put together your very first I'm
sorry about that. When did you actually

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put together your very first book?
My very first book was about four years

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into paranormal investigating And the reason it
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um upside I didn't want to do
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out to write a book. I
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had no interest for me. So
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just to try to put together a
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these maps would probably give me something
to talk about. And I'm going to

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share the screen here and uh,
all right, go ahead and I'll bring

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it in. Just go ahead and
click share the screen, share screen,

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okay. And so these are maps
related to UFO sightings. Yes, these

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were all UFO sightings. So um
the UFO sightings were um um. I

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looked at every single state through the
sightings that were assembled in the National UFO

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Reporting Center. Oh yes, before
yeah, yeah. Now the map that

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you see there, I don't see
the map you have. You haven't shared

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the screen yet. I thought I
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so I'm not seeing it up.
I'm supposed to be able to uh see

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it down here, I'm not seeing
anything and but that's okay, we can

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just move on. Okay, UM, well it's supposed to pop up in

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my see oh I can see something
now, yes, okay, yeah,

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yeah. This is my UFO sighting
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the National UFO Reporting Center. I
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It was just voluminous, the amount
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probably gonna an area seventy five thousand
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work. Now for the for the
person that it's just a listener to the

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audio, um this, Um,
I'm going to ask you to send me

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that map and I can put this
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but there is just a clusters just
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It literally does it really does.
Um. And when I first started

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doing this map, I started with
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York State map that I realized that
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every single sighting. It was just
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it down into the three sightings,
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and triangles. And that's all this
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sightings. Okay, that's just those
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you're going to see a lot,
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also look in areas where cities are, you're gonna see bigger pins with the

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big pins equal twenty little pins.
There's just with so many, so many

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little little pins that I would have
used, that it was just impossible to

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put them all on this map.
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it was the even worse situation because
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um, I had a note only
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I had to change colors and make
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Yeah, it was just craziness just
in this while you were looking for something

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to do. Oh, that really
gave you something to do. And this

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took me a year to do this. Yeah, I'm not surprised at all.

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great. And if there's any other

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graphics you wanted to show up on
the screen or you'd have to do,

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is you know, put it up
on your screen and we can swamp it

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and and uh get it back in
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um so New Fork, So did
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you looked at sightings? Did you
go into any other database? Um?

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00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,119
No, I didn't, um,
because there was so many that I realized

409
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,640
that I wasn't going to be able
to put them all on even if I

410
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,960
found another database. Yeah. Well, beside that, there's there could be

411
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,680
some repetitive too. That's definitely repetitive. Yeah. Yeah. One thing on

412
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,920
move On is also on New Fork
as well. Yes, and and probably

413
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:15,760
about fifty percent of the instances in
both places. Yeah, yeah right.

414
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Um so all right, And one
of the things I had written in the

415
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,360
description that to this show is,
um, you do you now have a

416
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:31,159
book out on earthquakes and UFOs?
Yes, that is my latest book,

417
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:40,800
and I just today sent the information
up and it's um not exactly available yet

418
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,719
on Amazon, but probably within about
two or three days it will be.

419
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,360
So it's a brand new book.
Oh oh good. Well, let's talk

420
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,679
a little bit about that, because
you do hear a lot about that type

421
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:59,039
of situation, and I've often wondered
if it's something a natural phenomenon. But

422
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,639
what did what did you fine when
you're looking into this topic? Okay,

423
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,000
um, well I also have some
maps to show show you here. You

424
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:12,400
can bring that up any time.
Yeah, okay, And um well what

425
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,679
I what I did was I had
to find out where the big earthquakes were,

426
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:24,679
right, So I went to the
the earth earthquake page and look and

427
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:30,960
put a map in for all where
all of the big earthquakes were. Then

428
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:37,000
I had to go into each particular
one and map where the sightings were,

429
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:43,840
and then I was going to be
able to see whether there was any correlation

430
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:50,719
between the big earthquakes and whether there
were UFO sightings at the time. Well,

431
00:35:50,960 --> 00:36:00,320
um, I found minimal overlap.
Just I'm not going to tell you

432
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,599
I found no overlap, but there
was a minimal overlap. So I was

433
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:13,719
wondering why the sightings were somewhere other
than where the earthquakes were. If if

434
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,360
they if in some cases they were
right on top of the earthquake, why

435
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,119
were they maybe one hundred and fifty
miles away and there's a big collection of

436
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:27,840
them, Why the heck are they
there? Then I thought that would be

437
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,800
either like around the earthquake or sort
of nearer the earthquake or along the fault

438
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:38,239
of the earthquake or something like that. But when I found very little overlap,

439
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,239
there was another reason why they were
there. Well, I went back

440
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,760
to my first three books that I
wrote they are here, and that's when

441
00:36:50,800 --> 00:37:02,159
I try to identify and say why
why UFO sightings were there to begin with?

442
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:10,920
So I looked at all kinds of
things such as UM pollution. I

443
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:23,800
looked at geology. I looked at
um um um, the uh the um

444
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:36,599
nuclear plants. I looked at um
rivers and streams, lakes. I basically

445
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:42,840
looked at every possible reason why there
should why there's collections of earthquakes, especially

446
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:50,440
based on the UFO map that I
showed you UM and I had very little

447
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,199
reason to put two and two together
and say, oh, this is the

448
00:37:54,239 --> 00:38:01,760
reason why the earthquakes are there.
It just wasn't there. M So with

449
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:09,920
the UFO U and an earthquake book, and I found almost no correlation between

450
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:16,239
earthquakes and UFOs. What was the
reason that they were there? Were they

451
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:28,400
there for hum for the pollution,
No, they weren't. They weren't there

452
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,519
for any of the other reasons.
That I stated before, then I had

453
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:42,320
to look at UFOs. Let's assume
now that UFOs are indeed from another planet,

454
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:49,119
Okay, that they're extraterrestrial. In
order to get to hear, they

455
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:57,039
had to have um They had to
have traversed the tremendous area, tremendous distance.

456
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Have UM have computers that make our
stuff look like Mattel toys. Also,

457
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,199
at the same time, would have
to have sting excuse me, um

458
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:21,119
A storage capabilities that are far beyond
ours. So when I did when I

459
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:28,039
when I put together the the UFL
sighting maps and the earthquakes, as I

460
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,599
noticed collections in other places, it
brings me to another map here. Let

461
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:44,119
me let me go to um another
map. UM. Yeah, sure,

462
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,920
just remember to share the screen.
Okay, you know, I'll put it

463
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:53,320
up. But uh, I was
just saying if we had anything up.

464
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,559
I guess there was not it now
I saw something, but yeah, I

465
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:08,360
had something else up. Someone just
said there was an earthquake in let's see

466
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:14,039
northern the northern part of North Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia. That's unusual.

467
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:20,199
We had a earthquake in Maine,
which was because I was in California for

468
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,000
a number of years, i'd know. I know what an earthquake is.

469
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:28,039
And I've heard this rumbling first and
then the whole house shook in the state

470
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,239
of Maine. So they do happen
in odd places, but we're very rarely,

471
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,000
you know, in this state?
Does it happen? Okay? So,

472
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,000
um, I have a picture up
now? Okay, and did you

473
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:45,360
click on share screen? I'm not
sure how to do that down at the

474
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,199
bottom. You did it once.
Yeah, oh that's share screen. Okay,

475
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,400
yeah, yeah, you just do
that and then then share again.

476
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,280
Go ahead, and then I should
see a picture of the map. I

477
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,760
don't see anything up there yet,
and you did it once, so I

478
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:06,360
thought you might be able to figure
out again now. So now it's there,

479
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,239
right, I see it now and
we are adding it. Okay,

480
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,599
very good, All right, so
what are we looking at? And again

481
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,599
for the listener, I will get
these images and put them in the show

482
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:22,280
notes so you can check it out. They're also in my book. So

483
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:28,960
huh. What I did was I
created the map of the earthquakes, like

484
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:36,000
I mentioned initially, and then in
order to track if the earthquakes were indeed

485
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:42,679
around excuse me, if the UFOs
were indeed around the earthquakes. I put

486
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,800
a map on with the UFO sightings
at the same time as the earthquake,

487
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,159
and if you look at the bottom, you'll see the legend two days before,

488
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,360
five days before, two days after, five days after, all the

489
00:41:54,440 --> 00:42:01,400
various colors. I picked this particular
map because it had two different elements.

490
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:07,199
Number one, it looked to me
like there may have been some activity around

491
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,480
the initial earthquake. If you look
out on the West coast, in the

492
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:19,480
area north of San Francisco, you'll
see the earthquake, which is the concentric

493
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,719
circles of the of the rig.
And yeah, you'll see the other the

494
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:31,199
other UFO sightings. That was the
one thing that I saw in some of

495
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:37,880
the maps. Only only only some, But I also saw huge quantities of

496
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:45,719
sightings elsewhere in the US. Now
why are they there? Are you saying?

497
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,599
Just so I'm clear, Uh,
Tom, are you saying that the

498
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,639
UFO sightings happened in the same time
the earthquake did? But north there?

499
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,239
Correct? I get it, okay, correct, And they're all over the

500
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,719
United States, but not around the
earthquake. So I'm thinking, no,

501
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,480
why why did that happen? That's
not what I expected, Okay, I

502
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:14,679
expected down the down California and around
there, but not what I saw,

503
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,159
which is what you're looking at.
And this was a five day picture.

504
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,840
Okay, this was a five day
picture. Excuse me, an eleven day

505
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:30,199
picture of UFO sightings. So we're
gonna see a whole lot of sightings before

506
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:39,599
and after and the day of the
quake. But again I couldn't put my

507
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:47,719
finger on why they were there until
until I have to show you another picture.

508
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,800
Now I hope this is yeah,
okay, you could have swapped the

509
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,719
picture while you were sharing screen,
but that's fine. Oh no, I

510
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:05,480
don't know, all right. And
the other one was thirteen b um thirteen

511
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:16,360
to come up with another number?
Here, thirteen b there's this picture,

512
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:25,519
and how do I, okay do
whatever you did before? Yeah, oh,

513
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,679
I say, wait a minute,
there's something intervening here. Um.

514
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:35,880
I got to close that and and
we can we can, we can,

515
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,960
we can move on because we you
know, we got to move on if

516
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,719
it's gonna be too difficult to do
that. Yeah, okay. Well what

517
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:50,480
I saw with with another screen that
I had is when I had just a

518
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,840
five day window around the earthquake,
two days before two days after in the

519
00:44:53,960 --> 00:45:02,599
day of the quake. What I
saw with that was straight lines from the

520
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:12,119
east coast pretty much to the Mississippi
River. Why were there straight lines across

521
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:21,760
across the screen with what was going
on straight line sightings? I couldn't put

522
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,760
my finger on it. Um.
It was as if they were scanning us

523
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:35,880
back and forth across somewhat the same
areas and it would change every several days.

524
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:44,400
So why were they scanning us?
If they have these tremendous uh tremendous

525
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:51,239
computers and um great storage systems,
they don't need to scan us over and

526
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,519
over. They just go back into
their storage areas and look at what they're

527
00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:00,800
going to look at. There has
to be some reason why they're doing this

528
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:08,639
that requires them to do it continuously. It certainly wasn't geography, because the

529
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:17,679
as far as the geography goes,
the geography would would um not change.

530
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,880
So we're looking at the yeah,
yeah, Just just so I can be

531
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,559
really clear about this, So you're
you're saying that, um, these say

532
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:37,639
an earthquake happened in California, UM, and there's a direct line or a

533
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,719
parallel line or whatever over to a
UFO sighting that happened in the same night,

534
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,880
and this happened repeatedly on these lines
you're talking about. Or I'm just

535
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:53,760
I think I've kind of lost where
you're going with this. Okay, um,

536
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:06,599
let me see the Uh there were
straight lines across that sighting map,

537
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:14,280
and the only thing I could figure
was the straight lines were because they're going

538
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:20,960
back and forth over the same areas. Oh okay, all right, Um,

539
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,239
I had no reason to think that
it wasn't for any other reason.

540
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,360
They had to be looking at the
same areas over and over and over.

541
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,719
There's no reason for them to look
at the same areas if it's geology or

542
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:46,880
geography, there's just no reason to
look at them. So I'm still trying

543
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,960
to figure out. I think I
just did it. Yeah, I see

544
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,639
it, now, you see it, Okay, Okay, I mean that's

545
00:47:54,760 --> 00:48:00,719
how they click about ten different things. Okay. Now, the green dots

546
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:08,519
on this screen are all the day
of the quake on the day of the

547
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:14,639
quake, and the name and those
are the green dots are UFO sightings,

548
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Yes they are. Now this is
not the same UFO mapp as before.

549
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:28,119
This is because there were two quakes
in Nevada that were pretty large. But

550
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:36,159
I showed this because if you look
from let's say Iowa, and then go

551
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:43,119
your eyes go to Iowa and then
look across the Illinois, Indiana, Ohio,

552
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:50,239
northern Pennsylvania, and New Jersey,
that's almost a straight line across them.

553
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,639
And I came across a whole bunch
of these. As a matter of

554
00:48:53,679 --> 00:49:00,199
fact, there may have been about
seventeen out of twenty maps that I did

555
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,199
straight Let me just ask you this, could these also be the same UFO

556
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,679
people are siting in different states like
it's traveling. It could be. I

557
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:19,559
don't know that it could be.
It could be different UFO sightings. I

558
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:27,000
have no idea why, but there
are straight lines across and there's multiple straight

559
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:32,039
lines. We have Arkansas through Tennessee. In North Carolina, we have Mississippi,

560
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:37,000
Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina,
we have Texas, Louisiana. Okay,

561
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:43,079
I don't know what's causing these sightings, just that there are straight lines.

562
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,199
So I had to come up with
a reason why they're straight lines.

563
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,679
I didn't know what the reasons were. So what could continuously be changing that

564
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,679
would require them to keep going back
and forth over the same area. They

565
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,840
don't need to do that to look
at geology or geography because they already have

566
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,239
it in their computer. Can't be
pollution, that doesn't change that rapidly.

567
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,119
Why are they having to go over
the same areas. The only thing that's

568
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:23,599
changing are the people. The people
are changing because the people are awakening.

569
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:35,920
They're starting to realize that they're being
they are seeing things in the sky,

570
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:51,199
they are recognizing that they have paranormal
experiences. They are seeing Bigfoot and I'm

571
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,360
not a big Foot fan, but
all these reasons. People are awakening,

572
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:01,000
and this is the reason why they
are seeing the things in the sky.

573
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:07,000
And this is also the reason why
the UFOs are going back and forth over

574
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:13,280
the same areas maybe every three or
four weeks, because the people are changing,

575
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:21,360
the people are awakening, and where
it's just this is just something you're

576
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:28,559
you've come up with. It's the
only thing that I had that I could

577
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:37,280
put my finger on that would account
for the fact that the UFOs need to

578
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:45,840
go back and forth over the same
areas. There's no reason I've come up,

579
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,480
I've thought of everything. There's just
no reason why they have to go

580
00:51:51,559 --> 00:52:02,159
back and forth over the same areas
unless something's changing weekly bi weekly and again,

581
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:09,440
so are you looking at you said
on weeks or on several weeks?

582
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:15,320
Are these like? Um? A
lot of times you'll hear about a hot

583
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,360
spot where UFOs will show up,
you know, like one week after another.

584
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,360
Um are you Are you taking that
type of thing into account as well?

585
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,840
I mean, yes, oh yeah, UM and UM. In one

586
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,679
of the maps that I put in
my latest book, I circled about a

587
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:44,159
hundred different locations on my initial UFO
sighting map that I showed to the big

588
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,800
map of the US with the pins
in it, a hundred different locations whether

589
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:54,440
there was anomalise where there was more
sightings than I would have expected to be

590
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:05,880
in that particular area based on population
actions of UFOs. Yeah, about they

591
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:15,599
are all over the place, all
over the place. And I wish that

592
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,559
I could like open my book and
show you one page after I think I

593
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:24,800
can't do that, But UM,
the only reason that I could come up

594
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:37,679
with is the the people are changing
very rapidly on our planet, and there's

595
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,159
a very very short period of time
where we are going to have, um,

596
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,960
a bunch of people who who start
claiming to see UFOs in the sky

597
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:55,440
way more than what are claimed now
because they're going to be able to see

598
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:01,159
them where they couldn't see them before, and this is how we're getting ready

599
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:09,079
for them to finally be announced.
I think, yeah, that's that's my

600
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:15,239
theory at this point, because there's
nothing physical that I can see that would

601
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:22,039
account for anything other than something non
physical that's changing. Well, it's all

602
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:27,360
interesting, and I do realize.
I mean, I'm sure this is all

603
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,000
you know, just theory of course, sure, yeah, um, but

604
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,320
anyway, well it's all it's all
interesting, and we are, um,

605
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:39,920
we are ready to actually to go
into the break, and we got a

606
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,840
we got about a three minute break
coming up here, so um, everyone

607
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:52,559
hanging there. We will be right
back right after these messages. All right,

608
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:58,079
everyone, welcome back. This is
Martin willis your host, and we

609
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,639
are back. And I'm going to
tom back in here and here you go.

610
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:08,599
Oh yes, so we're back.
And uh, let's see. Now

611
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,239
there are a lot of people.
You must have heard of the term earthquake

612
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,000
lights right, Oh yes, yeah, so that's a whole different thing.

613
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,400
That's probably a natural phenomenon. It
is, and it's almost it's kind of

614
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,239
one of those strange things like ball
lightning. You know, but also,

615
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:30,119
uh, you know, it must
have to do with weird enough. Yeah,

616
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:35,760
yeah, you're breaking up. It's
weird enough that people think that they're

617
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,760
looking at UFOs when they're just looking
at a energy discharge. Yeah, I

618
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,480
mean there's so much pressure and pressure
released, you know when an earthquake.

619
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,400
You can't even fathom the amount of
pressure that happens that makes an earthquake happen.

620
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,559
And and another thing, you know, you look when you look at

621
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:54,360
mountains, anytime you look at mountains, there had to be a heck of

622
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,800
a lot of earthquakes to get that
mountain to be there, you know.

623
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,800
But yeah, so uh you know, I mean they're the whole in the

624
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,000
Pacific, rim um, the whole
the fault lines along the west coast,

625
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,559
the North Pacific. Um. There
there's all kinds of Harris where there's a

626
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,840
lot of earthquakes and a lot of
danger for earthquakes. Um. And but

627
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:23,440
but you're you're saying you think they're
the correlation between UFOs and earthquakes is there

628
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:29,000
isn't one. That they're far away, has nothing to do with real UFOs.

629
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:37,199
I meant people people can't identify right, um Um, I could not

630
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:44,719
say that UFOs are um directly linked
to earthquakes. I can't say that,

631
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:49,920
use just they aren't. Yeah,
and uh, maybe you can do your

632
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,719
next book on volcanoes and UFOs because
I don't know if you've ever seen that,

633
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,280
but there's a lot of people claiming
they see, you know, uh,

634
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:07,960
a UFOs around volcano or even dormant
volcanoes entering volcanoes in in Washington.

635
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:13,440
Mat fact that one of the maps
that I have is it shows active and

636
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:22,360
inactive volcanoes, and there's I think
thirteen active ones in Washington State and two

637
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:35,719
inactive ones. And in Oregon there's
forty three inactive volcanoes and about three or

638
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:43,079
four active ones. And there's a
couple of active ones and maybe one inactive

639
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:50,119
one in California. And all of
those were created not because of the Saint

640
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:54,159
Andreas fault, but because of something
directly above the Saint Andreas fault, which

641
00:57:54,239 --> 00:58:00,320
is the one to Fuca plate.
It's a seduction plate that's going in under

642
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:07,519
the earth and um uh some some
way inland. Uh it pushes up mountains

643
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:15,239
and that's what is responsible for the
Sierra Nevada and the Cascade Mountain ranges out

644
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:22,039
there. And um, Washington and
Oregon, and what's directly responsible for all

645
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:29,559
of the ancient earthquakes that reek havoc
with the planet? Right? Yeah,

646
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:36,039
the moving moving of tectonic plates and
all that. Yeah, it's uh yeah,

647
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,760
um there's some things about that.
I totally will never understand how how

648
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:44,119
all that works. Um, But
we're not doing a geography show, so

649
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:50,960
we'll have to move on with this. But the as far as the book,

650
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:55,480
so do you actually come to any
type of your conclusion is that you

651
00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:00,239
think it has to do with the
human population. It sounds like, yeah,

652
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,960
yes, because I could come up
with nothing else. I couldn't come

653
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,480
up with anything physical. Um yeah, And that it must be part of

654
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:20,400
a bigger plan, and that uh, them constancy of having to go back

655
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,599
over the same areas is because there's
some rapid change going on, and the

656
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:29,159
rapid change is not happening on the
earth must be happening with the people.

657
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:36,559
Interesting. There are some people that
say something along the lines that you know,

658
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,119
I had someone on he was basically
a skeptic. I don't know,

659
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:43,159
maybe a couple of months ago.
He wasn't too popular on this show,

660
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,880
but people were I mean, he
was saying that, you know, people

661
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,920
manifest UFOs, it's something we manifest
inside of us. He was totally convinced

662
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,719
in that, even when it came
down to you know, mass mass sightings

663
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,800
and witnesses, and he had a
he had an answer for everything on that.

664
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,599
Um, well that's pretty well made
up. But um, I saw

665
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,400
UFOs four different times, and each
one was drastically different from the other.

666
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,719
And under no circumstances was I hoping
for UFO sighting. When I saw it,

667
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,679
I was totally and completely surprised.
Yeah, yeah, you know,

668
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,800
it's it's that's that's why they can't
be studied so easily. It's exactly know,

669
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:32,000
there's something you can never predict in
and they're fleeting. So let's hear

670
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,719
about Let's hear about your UFO sightings. It's always interesting to hear them.

671
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:40,599
Oh, some of them were weird. Okay. The first one, Um,

672
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:47,519
I was in the back room,
um and watching the tube as I

673
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:52,280
usually do in the in the summer, probably watching baseball at the time.

674
01:00:52,960 --> 01:01:00,199
I'm a bit of a Yankee fan, and um my wife called me on

675
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:02,039
the intercom. She was out in
the front room doing something or other.

676
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:07,000
She called me on the intercom and
said, go out back real quick,

677
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:12,199
look look up, um towards the
west. So I went running out the

678
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:16,280
door, looked up towards the west, and I saw this, well,

679
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:22,320
how do I describe it? It
was a bright orange ball of fire.

680
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:28,480
That's exactly what I saw, A
bright orange ball of fire and it was

681
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,239
in my field of vision for about
three seconds and then it went behind the

682
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:38,239
cloud. So was it Is it
possible that it was a fireball a noe

683
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:46,719
um? Yeah, it was.
It was dawdling along um a fireball from

684
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:52,880
from a meteor. Um moves uh
and at great speed. They entered the

685
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:59,239
earth atmosphere between thirty and sixty thousand
miles an hour. And by the time

686
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:04,199
that we see in the lower atmosphere, they're still moving along at a tremendous

687
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:10,159
clip. And this thing was just
and then went out behind the cloud.

688
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:15,320
It was it was moving slow,
let me tell you, probably slower than

689
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:21,639
an airplane. Yeah. And then
my wife called me an intercom against quick,

690
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:23,840
come out front. There's more of
them. So I went running out

691
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:34,480
front and looked up and there were
two more coming in and they were moving

692
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:40,519
very slowly and right at some particular
point in the sky. They changed direction

693
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:51,480
somewhat and started angling upward. And
again these were balls of fire, and

694
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:57,000
that's what it looked like. It
looked like a repetitive fire that was twice

695
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:06,679
as bright as the moon, and
again moving on the slow end of what

696
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:14,039
I would expect an airplane to move. We're on the landing pattern for Albany

697
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:19,400
Airport and I see them all in
the sky all the time. So these

698
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,119
were moving at I guess about one
hundred knots, very slow. And this

699
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:30,000
one changed these two at the same
instant in time, changed direction and angled

700
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,960
upward. Well, now that was
a total of four that went by,

701
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:39,119
even though I only saw one.
When I went out back, my wife

702
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:42,519
said there was two of them.
Okay, So that was a total of

703
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:47,280
four that went by. And so
I just stood there watching and lo and

704
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,119
behold, one more came through,
just one this time, not two.

705
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:58,679
And this moved across the sky slowly
at the same point in the sky.

706
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:08,280
It changed direction, angled upward,
and eventually disappeared behind some clouds as it

707
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:15,159
was moving south. So that's a
total of five. And so I said,

708
01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:17,320
well, why do I have to
lose I might as well sit here

709
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,280
and watch and see if they come
again. Lo and behold, two more

710
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:28,280
came through, and I was trying
to figure out where they were coming from.

711
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,000
I didn't see them come on or
anything, so I watched them through

712
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,159
the sky. They went to the
same point in the sky, angled upward,

713
01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:42,280
chains direction in the same way,
and did exactly the same maneuver and

714
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,440
disappeared behind clouds. So I said, haha, I'm going to watch where

715
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,000
these things are coming from, and
I'm going to see what's happening. So

716
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:57,440
I stared right at where they were
approximately coming from because I was sort of

717
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,320
honing in on it, you know, as I was watching, and two

718
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,480
of them popped on, and by
popped on, I meant go from black

719
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:12,920
sky to super bright orange in the
same portion of the sky, And they

720
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:19,599
came through and again at at the
same area as before, they changed direction

721
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:25,480
and went angled upward at about a
forty five degree angle. I was starting

722
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,519
to pay attention to the ball of
fire and what that looked like that was

723
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:36,119
sort of resembling was resembling I guess
the only way I could describe it as

724
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:43,880
a digital fire, as if it
were done digitally, and it showed a

725
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,000
fire, and it was really bright
orange. Yeah, did you think to

726
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:53,519
get a camera? No, I
can you believe I couldn't think that burning

727
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:56,800
the camera because I was in shock. I could not believe my eyes.

728
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,760
You know, you're not alone.
You know. Someone mentioned in the something

729
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,960
about that in the in the chat
and it I've heard a number of people

730
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,679
say that was like the last thing
on their mind because they just were so

731
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,440
involved in what they were seeing.
I didn't want to miss a thing.

732
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:24,000
Yeah. And then as I thought
about these sightings, it's the fact that

733
01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:28,000
they popped on, the fact that
they all changed in the same spot.

734
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,079
Um, they all disappeared in the
same area of the sky. I had

735
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:39,159
to draw some conclusions from that.
Number One, it was if they were

736
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:50,079
digitally created because of the fire.
Number two, they were extremely bright.

737
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:58,159
So I'm almost theorizing that they were
probably drones, not UFOs, excuse me,

738
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:03,840
not not the kind of drones that
you'd you'd buy on Amazon. These

739
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:15,000
were super duper drones. But they
were Um, they were there to do

740
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,559
one thing, that's to show themselves. There was no other reason for them

741
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:25,159
to do what they did. None. So I believe that they that they

742
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,400
popped on in that area of the
sky to show themselves of the people in

743
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,920
this area. Now, did anyone
that you're aware of, anyone else see

744
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,159
them? One other person saw them, but nobody was looking up because nobody

745
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:42,280
ever looks up. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the I always end the

746
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,559
show. Keep your eyes to the
sky because, um, you know you're

747
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,159
right. That does that is you
know, there's no reason for a lot

748
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:54,079
of people to look up. I've
always had a curiosity of I love looking

749
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:57,320
at the stars and you know,
watch satellites go over things like that.

750
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,159
Always have, um, but not
everyone's like that. Yeah. When I

751
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:05,239
when I took the garbage out previously, UM, I always was had my

752
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:10,159
head down. I head down,
I take the garbage out, and my

753
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:14,800
head was still down as I came
back up. Not anymore. My eyes

754
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,359
are up and I'm looking at everything. Yeah. Well, anyhow, that

755
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,479
that was the first group that I
saw, and there were nine of them

756
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,720
total. Wow, that's amazing.
Yeah. The second thing that I saw

757
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:33,760
I saw one the following night that
was moving perpendicular to this other one.

758
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:40,239
This one was not a fireball.
This was an orange sphere and it was

759
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:45,439
big, um, and it was
moving west to east. And then I

760
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:49,159
thought that was pretty unusual. And
that's a that's a different path than the

761
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:54,760
other one. The other one was
north to south, and the north to

762
01:08:54,880 --> 01:09:00,439
south one traveled right along the Hudson
River. M very interesting. Well,

763
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:06,079
I'm sure you heard of the Hudson
River Valley sightings. Oh yeah, they

764
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:12,760
were about seventy miles south of here. HM. One thing I want to

765
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,920
ask you before you move on.
Was there any sound? Nothing? Not

766
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:21,840
a peep? Yeah, not a
peep. Not unusual. Uh and uh

767
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,520
believe me, I was watching and
listening and doing everything I could possibly do

768
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,520
to try to um categorize these things
in my mind. As a matter of

769
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:40,479
fact, that would that's what made
me right. Um what I wrote in

770
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:47,720
my first book about um UFO fireballs, and I was able to track the

771
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:54,840
differences of what people were seeing and
um uh put it into one great,

772
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:03,039
big matrix. And this about forty
different different things about UFO fireballs that are

773
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:09,560
different from spears. And it's all
pretty interesting, it really, it's interesting.

774
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:16,760
So anyhow, the third sighting that
I saw was in I was on

775
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:28,680
vacation in New Hampshire and I was
watching the sky again like I normally do.

776
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:32,159
It was very dark, and I
was looking up at the sky,

777
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:38,399
and I remember saying to myself,
Oh, so it would be cool if

778
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:45,319
I saw UFO. About three or
four minutes later, I saw this enormous

779
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,800
red flash in the sky, red, not white, a red flash.

780
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:57,079
And out of the middle of this
flash came this white streak that moved across

781
01:10:57,159 --> 01:11:01,640
the sky faster than anything I've ever
seen. And this was not a meteor,

782
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:08,119
because meteor seemed to trail off as
they go across the sky. This

783
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:12,800
one stayed the same brightness all the
way out, and it also did not

784
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:18,399
trail off in a downward direction.
Right. This went straight out until I

785
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:27,000
couldn't see it anymore. Wow,
that almost to me looked like what someone,

786
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:30,720
uh, well more some ones,
I should say, described in the

787
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:36,439
National UFO Reporting Center that they saw
a portal open and something come flying out

788
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:44,640
of it. And that's what it
looked like to me. This red flash

789
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,439
was an opening of some sort,
and this thing came right out of the

790
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:54,199
middle of it. It was really
extraordinary. Yeah, all right, Well,

791
01:11:54,359 --> 01:11:58,680
let's let's just shift gears just a
little bit here, because I understand

792
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,359
that you were writing a book that
I've actually had some interest in. Um,

793
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:09,359
and that is UM the I want
to say, I hate to use

794
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:15,840
the term, but telepathy that people
have gotten in encounters UM, that something

795
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:20,399
comes into the mind. Now,
there's many cases of this, and I

796
01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:25,560
want to see if I can pull
up I had a video of UM,

797
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,319
a guy actually talking about that.
I don't think I'll be able to do

798
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:35,119
this on the fly, but but
there's actually UM you're you're you're thinking or

799
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:39,720
you're starting to write a book about
that, that that situation. Yeah,

800
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:44,800
I'm already doing the research on it. UM. What The first thing that

801
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:51,000
I did UM when I became a
uthologist was I was kind of curious about

802
01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:56,640
the abduction phenomenon. UM. I
heard a lot of people mentioning it and

803
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:02,359
talking about it in UFO forums and
stuff like that, and I wanted to

804
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:08,439
know about it for myself. So
I pretty much announced that I was a

805
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,279
ufologist and people started coming to me. Can I tell you my story?

806
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,399
Yeah? You know, so I
said sure, and I made a time

807
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:24,920
to sit down and talk with them. We use Skype and if people would

808
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,880
tell me what was going on,
but UM, I wrote up a long

809
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,800
list of questions that I was going
to ask them. But the very first

810
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:41,640
thing. The very first question that
I asked them, and I asked everyone

811
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:46,399
the same first question, and that
was did you get a message to bring

812
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:53,800
back? Because I was curious,
you know, if if these people are

813
01:13:54,159 --> 01:14:00,439
abducting us, they're abducting us for
probably a whole reason of reasons, but

814
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:11,359
this would be a tremendous opportunity for
them to plant in our minds, UM,

815
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,279
something that they want us to do, so that I guess that's what

816
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:21,319
was the nature of the question.
Did you get a message? And the

817
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:27,800
message? Um? Well from oh. I interviewed about thirty five people,

818
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:34,760
and each interview lasted two to four
hours, and many people dropped out after

819
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:40,479
the first hour because they knew I
was getting real and they didn't want to

820
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:45,840
want to come up with their deepest
thoughts because they knew that's where I was

821
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,359
going. So UM. But in
the people that hung with me, UM,

822
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:57,600
I asked them what was the message, and they all gave me one

823
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:02,479
message, one coherent message, not
twenty like I sort of was hoping for

824
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:09,520
just one message, and that message
was take care of your planet. That

825
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:15,359
was the message. UM. Obviously, times on this show actually UM in

826
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,920
different ways. The Ariel School encounter
and I was just trying to pull up

827
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:24,439
one of the witnesses in that to
see if I can get get the time

828
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:30,039
when he talked about it. UM, well, that the message of take

829
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:35,680
care of your planet um rung true
with me and was always in the back

830
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:44,840
of my mind. And I tried
to work through the databases of the National

831
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,920
UFO Reporting Center and state all of
the things that the database was telling me.

832
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:57,359
And I always wanted to write about
take care of your planet. So

833
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:02,960
UM, I started doing research on
what does that mean? Take care of

834
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:11,359
your planet? Well, it must
mean something to do with perhaps the global

835
01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:18,479
warming question, the pollution question.
Are they all related or they interrelated?

836
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:28,119
You know? Are we overpopulating?
Are we over garbaging the planet? Should

837
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:31,800
we be recycling? All of these
things enter into one great big question,

838
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:36,880
and that great big question is for
us to take care of our planet and

839
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,079
how we should be doing it.
So I've been researching that for about the

840
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:49,039
last four weeks. And that one
is going to be a nightmare toor right

841
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:55,000
because I wrote an outline for it, and the outline took me three pages.

842
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,720
So how long is this book going
to be? Oh, my goodness,

843
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,960
it's going to be awesome them,
um and awful at the same time.

844
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:10,279
So, UM, when do you
do you know when the earliest encounter

845
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:15,560
was, you know, as far
as years ago where that message, uh,

846
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,960
what was said to have happened with
the person that I interviewed, you

847
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:25,920
mean, with anyone I interviewed,
uh, in particular that message of um,

848
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,319
you know, I know that you're
you're in the midst of your research,

849
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,880
but I'm curious to know when people
first started hearing that. Boy,

850
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,199
I don't know. The first time
that I heard it was from one of

851
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:53,840
the peas who talked about it,
and uh, she was about well,

852
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:00,960
it was probably the mid eighties when
she was first understand of what they were

853
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,039
trying to tell her. She was
abducted about every five to seven years from

854
01:18:05,039 --> 01:18:17,399
the time that she was maybe seven
years old up until the recent and and

855
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:23,720
she's about fifty now, so she's
been abducted quite a few times. And

856
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:28,359
only in the nineteen eighties when she
was an adult was did you hear that

857
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:32,760
message? And the other two people
that said that exact same message to me,

858
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,840
it was about the same time frame, the eighties or nineties when they

859
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:43,600
heard it. That's the only information
I have on it at this point.

860
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:46,399
Okay, all right, I'm just
putting in the chat room. If anyone

861
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:54,720
has questions, please put your please
put your question in all caps so I

862
01:18:54,720 --> 01:19:00,000
can catch it. And also we're
going to be taking halls here in just

863
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:03,880
uh, you know, about ten
minutes or so. And so that number

864
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:09,520
just to let people know ahead of
time if you want to write it down.

865
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,399
If your people listen to the show
in three different ways, so it's

866
01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:19,399
not always available, but to see, but that number is eight five five

867
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:25,319
here I am forgetting the number.
It's eight five five four seven two five

868
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:28,359
four eight three, So write that
number down. We'll put that number up

869
01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:38,000
in just a minute. And but
where where we so? Oh oh,

870
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:42,600
by the way, there's a media
shower tonight in North America. If you're

871
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,960
listening and you happen to catch the
show live, you want to get out

872
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,800
between eleven on the East Coast,
you want to get out between eleven PM

873
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:55,800
and right through the dawn. It
is going to be a great media shower.

874
01:19:56,399 --> 01:19:59,800
So check that out. I love
that stuff unless you live an Upstate

875
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,600
and York and it's perpetually cloudy.
Oh yes, well, with Sonny here

876
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,760
on the East coast. We have
a question in chat that just came up

877
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:11,960
from Bobby. Bobby I've known for
years actually, Madam, years ago.

878
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:18,520
Ken you talk about the strangest case
that you interviewed. Yeah, Unfortunately,

879
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:26,760
I can't give any specifics because I've
told people I won't won't release details of

880
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:30,680
the of the private stories that they
told me. But the stream. Actually

881
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:36,079
there were two of them. The
one case, it was very interesting is

882
01:20:36,119 --> 01:20:45,439
that after being abducted, like every
six or seven years, she's in constant

883
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,840
contact with the people with her abductors. As a matter of fact, all

884
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,880
she has to do is think of
a question, and she can think of

885
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:59,960
the question and they'll respond to her. I thought that was pretty interesting.

886
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,840
That's like, oh my goodness,
okay. And uh uh. The other

887
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:18,520
one was um uh also a young
lady who um was abducted and um had

888
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:29,880
four different um races of people at
the same time in her home. Um

889
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:35,159
they all came for her and uh
she had a short gray, a tall

890
01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:46,920
gray um um ah um uh praying
mantis looking type being. And one other

891
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:51,880
one that I've that I've forgotten.
And um, I think the one you're

892
01:21:51,880 --> 01:22:00,399
missing is the tall Nordic. I
don't. Yeah, I'm I don't think

893
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:04,319
she mentioned that one. UM.
But anyhow, there were like four different

894
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:10,840
races um at least I think there
were four different races um that were represented.

895
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:19,600
And she has uh she started out
as a as a a shaman and

896
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:28,159
uh she's extremely powerful, uh even
even to this date, and they always

897
01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:33,880
give her messages. Also, I
thought it was interesting that that both of

898
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:41,479
these people are in constant contact with
their abductors. I just found that fascinating

899
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,560
because I would have thought, Jesus, if you're taken and scared to death,

900
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,880
the people you figured, the people
who abducted would hate you. But

901
01:22:51,479 --> 01:23:00,520
not not the case. Not the
case. Interesting, very interesting. A

902
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,119
person wants to know where you'll be
selling the book. Where you'll be offering

903
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:08,000
the book, um, probably where
you offer all your books, and this

904
01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:12,239
book in particular is take care of
Your Planet. UM. Probably it's probably

905
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:15,720
not the working title, but anyway, where could someone find that work in

906
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,960
some according your books while we're here? Okay, actually it will be the

907
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:26,319
working title, UM, but take
okay, take care of your Planet UM

908
01:23:27,239 --> 01:23:30,199
won't be out. That's going to
take me a year to a year and

909
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,800
a quarter to write that because that
one's going to be involved. Um.

910
01:23:33,079 --> 01:23:40,000
The other four books I have out
are they are here Volume one East Coast

911
01:23:40,079 --> 01:23:47,640
UFOs, Volume two, Central us
UFOs, Volume three, m West Coast

912
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:55,119
UFOs, and volume four, which
is the collection of blogs that describe might

913
01:23:55,199 --> 01:24:00,600
take on the physics involved of how
how these um, how these craft do

914
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:06,159
what they're doing. And that one's
entitled Going Interstellar And they're all available on

915
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:14,760
Amazon right now to search my name
Thomas W. Conwell, CEO n W

916
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:21,520
E L L on Amazon and search
for my books. Yeah. Yeah,

917
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:29,439
UM, someone just had, uh
this question you've already answered basically about the

918
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:34,760
quake sightings caused by seismic activity.
We did, we did talk about that.

919
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,560
Um that a lot of that seems
to be like a natural phenomenon.

920
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:43,119
And when the sightings are seen,
you know, the earthquake lights, so

921
01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:47,600
to speak. And this question has
come up. Have you ever looked into

922
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:54,920
embedded chip or strange object? In
other words, people talking about implants anyone

923
01:24:55,000 --> 01:25:01,239
that you you interviewed, Um,
there were two people in particular who talked

924
01:25:01,279 --> 01:25:08,640
about implants. I believe that everyone's
who has abducted has an implant. That's

925
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,920
how they find you. Um.
But Um, there's two people that talked

926
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:21,000
about implants and they said that they
know where they were implanted, and I

927
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:27,079
did. I didn't want to get
involved with uh, with doctors or anything

928
01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:32,439
like that because this was already done
um by UM. I can't remember the

929
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:38,680
guy's name now, doctor crap.
I can see his face a leer,

930
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,920
yeah, leer, yep. And
I didn't want to try to reinvent the

931
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,960
wheel. He already did such a
wonderful job with it. Um. If

932
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,479
if anyone wanted to try to get
their implant out, um, at the

933
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,760
time, I referred him to them. UM. I don't think I was

934
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,199
taken over. Since he's passed away, I don't think anyone has taken over

935
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:03,119
for him. I don't think so
either. Yeah, since he died,

936
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:09,439
I was out of luck at that
point. Yeah. Yeah, all right,

937
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:14,479
So the lines are open and Bill
will be standing by to screen your

938
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,760
call. And that number again is
eight five five four seven two five four

939
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,399
eight three, and I'll still I'll
say, we have another question that just

940
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:28,199
came up here in chat, and
what are the most commonly described smells from

941
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:30,520
these experiences? I know that might
sound like a strange question, but it

942
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:36,920
is not that's actually what an interrogator
will ask, you know, when someone

943
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:45,039
has any type of experiences, that's
part of our senses. Yep. The

944
01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:53,760
only smell that anybody ever described to
me was cinnamon. Huh how about that.

945
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,319
I don't understand the nature of that, but I think it has something

946
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:04,760
to do with the gray aliens themselves, and uh, perhaps it may have

947
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:11,319
something to do with how they in
just food. Um, they put something

948
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:17,359
on their bodies and absorb it in
through the skin. Brett just put a

949
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:21,880
comment up there. Sometimes people in
an encounter have a smell of rain,

950
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,000
and uh, okay, that's that's
the possibility. I don't know if anyone's

951
01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:32,720
ever been around lightning a lightning strike, but it uh that the smell is

952
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,479
pretty amazing. I mean it's uh, it's the air never smelled cleaner.

953
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:42,960
I can't remember exactly what they call
it. One other, one other comment

954
01:27:43,159 --> 01:27:47,840
on that is someone described to me, m a smell of ozone, but

955
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,960
it was fleeting. That's it,
right, That's what I was trying to

956
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:56,159
think of. Okay, Okay,
here's Joe in the chat room. Wanted

957
01:27:56,199 --> 01:28:00,520
to know, how do you control
uh for people lying during or abduction interviews?

958
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,720
That's a tough one. I've asked. I've asked people like Kathy Marden,

959
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,399
who's interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people. Um, you know, there's

960
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:13,199
some telltale signs. And actually,
if you're going to be watching the show

961
01:28:13,239 --> 01:28:15,319
in a couple of weeks, we're
going to have a panel on that talks

962
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:20,920
about body language and deceit um and
uh, who can all pick up some

963
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:26,960
tips from these guys? I heard
you describing that. Um. The only

964
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:34,520
thing that I had going for me
is that I would ask the questions posed

965
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:44,399
as m posed as different questions throughout
the interview, and I'd look for consistency.

966
01:28:45,039 --> 01:28:49,079
That's about the only thing that I
had. Because the people were on

967
01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:55,439
a on a skype thing and they
can show me their face, but they

968
01:28:55,479 --> 01:29:00,039
could be you know, bouncing their
legs or something like that, Ryan trying

969
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:03,840
to control their emotions. I would
ever be able to see that. But

970
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:12,199
if if they were inconsistent with their
answers or they said something that I'd never

971
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:16,119
heard before, then I try to
get into it a little bit. And

972
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:20,720
if it was like really different than
anything I've ever heard before, then I'd

973
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:28,520
say they're maybe making it up.
Yeah, it's awful hard to tell because

974
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,119
so many of the stories are just
so darn weird to begin with. And

975
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:35,640
you know, I've said on the
show sometimes I like the extra weird ones.

976
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:43,399
They almost seem more credible in a
way. Sometimes I heard a couple

977
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:48,399
of really weird ones, but then
when I heard the weird thing repeated again

978
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:53,119
to me by somebody different, then
I thought, well, maybe this isn't

979
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:59,199
so weird, you know. So
yeah, question here again. Try to

980
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:01,479
put your EANs in caps if you
can, so I catch them. And

981
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:08,119
also the line is open, and
that number is right up on the screen.

982
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:12,920
It's eight five five four seven two
five four eight three. Have you

983
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,199
worked with any other abduction investigators?
That was a question from someone in the

984
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:26,279
chat. Okay, no, and
I have not done that because I didn't

985
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:31,640
know anyone doing it, and I
did not want to start out doing abduction

986
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:38,399
interviews. It was never my intent. What I really wanted to do was

987
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:43,800
right about the physics of UFOs and
how they might be doing things. That's

988
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,119
all I ever wanted. And then
people started coming to me, and it

989
01:30:47,239 --> 01:30:57,359
lasted for approximately a year and a
half where I did my last interview because

990
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:04,640
what was happening was I started having
dreams um and being awakened at three am,

991
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:12,199
four am with these weird stories that
people were telling me that almost as

992
01:31:12,199 --> 01:31:15,239
if it was happening to me.
But I realized that what I was doing

993
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:19,640
was was reliving them through the people
telling me the stories. Um, I

994
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:25,359
didn't want to do it anymore.
Yeah, wow, So I mean I

995
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:29,960
know I had I had had enough. Yeah, all right, we have

996
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:35,760
a caller. Uh, we have
Ronald calling from is it Montana? Ronald?

997
01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:42,279
Minnesota? Okay, Minnesota? A
man, I can. I can

998
01:31:42,279 --> 01:31:45,000
never remember the initial i'n't going in
for a little while, so I know

999
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:47,720
this what this time? You forget
what day it is? And I'm really

1000
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,960
you don't know what we're doing after
time? Yeah, at least you know

1001
01:31:53,039 --> 01:31:58,439
you're in Minnesota. Yeah yeah,
um show, I had a question for

1002
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,960
you. I know Martin has had
experience, but now for you, as

1003
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:06,520
a researcher, have you had your
own experience? And do you compare your

1004
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:13,199
experience with your answers on your research? Do you mixed the two or do

1005
01:32:13,239 --> 01:32:21,800
you Can you separate your experience from
your research or do you compare your experience

1006
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:28,520
or your research? And one Ronald, did you just tune into the show

1007
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:32,159
because he did talk about his his
UFO sighting. Yeah. I think I

1008
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:35,760
was a little bit late getting here, so okay, apologize. No,

1009
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,680
that's that's that's okay, um uh, Ronald, it is I think,

1010
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:47,199
um yeah, UM. Now,
I had an experienced myself of seeing things

1011
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:54,199
in the sky until I had a
waking dream where um, I was like

1012
01:32:55,239 --> 01:33:00,000
um, walking down a pathway and
there was a U Foe parked along the

1013
01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:04,479
pathway, and I knew it was
real because I could feel the leaves under

1014
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:13,520
my feet, and UM, I
had a discussion with the person who apparently

1015
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:18,600
was flying the ship and they told
me they invited me into the ship and

1016
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:24,039
they wanted to borrow my energy so
they could help one of their one of

1017
01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:29,279
their shipmates. And then they said
thank you very much and let me go,

1018
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,399
and I woke up immediately afterwards.
Now was it a dream? I

1019
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:39,439
don't know. It sure was real. It's I felt scratches on my feet

1020
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:46,000
from walking out in the in the
woods barefoot. Did I actually see them?

1021
01:33:46,039 --> 01:33:51,880
I can't be certain, but m
to answer the one specifics of your

1022
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:59,840
question, Um, this was unlike
any other story that anybody told me,

1023
01:34:00,399 --> 01:34:03,119
Oh, that's the way I knew. It was like off off the wall.

1024
01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:06,520
I mean, it wasn't like anything
else that that I had ever heard

1025
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:13,960
before. I like that. Okay, interesting, h yeah, very interesting.

1026
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:24,000
So do you have trouble um comparing
uh stories of experiencers for people that

1027
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:28,720
you know you find to be pactual, do you have um difficulty, not

1028
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,800
really trouble, but difficulty maybe?
Um, Okay, well this happened and

1029
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,000
this one, but it didn't happen
this one. What's going on? You're

1030
01:34:36,039 --> 01:34:40,680
like you were mentioning your earthquakes and
things like that, you know, Um,

1031
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,479
and then we're just I heard somebody
say volcano, if you gotta do

1032
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,760
one for volcanoes. Now do you
know Hawaii has a lot of volcanoes,

1033
01:34:48,279 --> 01:34:53,800
California had might have a volcano,
you know, and tot of your mid

1034
01:34:54,399 --> 01:34:57,479
I can't anywhere else, but anyway, there are lots of lots of places

1035
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:00,920
to have volcanoes here on planet Earth, you know, And so that could

1036
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:08,119
be some kind of energy disturbance and
causes that to happen. But um,

1037
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:11,079
you know, we're talking about old
baseball. You know that's gonna go someday,

1038
01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:14,560
you know, And that's gonna be
big. Is there anything can spark

1039
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,319
that like that in that situation.
But with with that, um the finding

1040
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:27,960
thing that that I guess like a
cross reference in these different stories. Okay,

1041
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:32,520
um yeah, now there there are
similarities in the stories um um.

1042
01:35:33,359 --> 01:35:39,399
And that's one of the things that
I look for, something uh, something

1043
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:45,560
remotely similar um like either describing the
people or describing what it was like just

1044
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:54,760
prior to them being taken um u
or um what they felt the next morning.

1045
01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:00,840
Those kinds of things I look for
in the particular stories I heard,

1046
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:09,920
so that I can probably judge that
it's it's possible that they're telling me the

1047
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:16,560
right thing. However, however,
I also have the same difficulty with that

1048
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:26,199
kind of a thing that if anybody
read about um um about abductions, they

1049
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:31,439
would know to say those particular things. And that's where it gets tricky.

1050
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:36,560
Yeah, oh yeah, it really
does. That's why I have to ask

1051
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:45,439
them multiple times a different questions but
relating to the same thing that hopefully if

1052
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:50,479
they're giving me some kind of nonsense
that they would forget their answer previously or

1053
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:56,800
something that's what I was looking You
gotta fish about it, all right,

1054
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:01,000
Ronald thank you for Thank you Martin. Thanks well, thank you Bill.

1055
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:08,319
All right, all right, so
we have we also have Steve calling from

1056
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:13,159
California. Welcome to the show,
Steve. Thank you, Martin, Hi

1057
01:37:13,279 --> 01:37:18,279
Tom, Hi Steve. I'm fine, Thank you. I've been researching UFO

1058
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,920
for many years now, and one
thing I've been contemplating. We have a

1059
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:31,600
lot of footage of lights going into
the mountains such as Mountain jat stuff as

1060
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:36,760
STATI investigates that and have caught a
lot of good footage. And Steve Burren

1061
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:43,279
out of Las Vegas have caught lights
going into these mountains and coming out of

1062
01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:47,119
these mountains. Um, I wonder
if you give me your opinion on what

1063
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:51,520
you think could be going on there
is there a base in these mountains?

1064
01:37:54,000 --> 01:38:00,319
Um? Well, several things.
First of all, um, let me

1065
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,399
let me change the subject on you, but I'll get back to the back

1066
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:11,399
to the subject at hand. Well, we see craft all the time going

1067
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:15,399
in and out of the water all
over the place, in lakes and oceans

1068
01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:20,239
and whatever else. And I think
they go into the water for a reason.

1069
01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:29,319
I think that they probably have some
difficulties with heat dissipation, and they

1070
01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:33,199
go under the water in order to
cool down. I think that. Okay,

1071
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:39,439
Now, why are they going up
into the mountains, which was your

1072
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:43,439
original question. I think they're doing
a lot of the same kind of thing.

1073
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,159
They're going into the mountain, they're
shutting off their lights, they're sitting

1074
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:51,720
there to cool down, and then
they continue on flying. That's the one

1075
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,439
thing I think that's happening with mountains
now. So they have bases there.

1076
01:38:58,359 --> 01:39:03,960
How many bases is the reasonable for
a civilization to move to another planet to

1077
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:13,439
create? Well, you have multiple
mountain ranges, and you are mountains all

1078
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:18,600
over the world. You have mountains
along the East coast, mountains on the

1079
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:23,880
West coast, three separate mountain ranges
on the West coast. How many bases

1080
01:39:24,359 --> 01:39:30,640
does extraterrestrial civilization really need. I
don't think they need any more than one.

1081
01:39:30,199 --> 01:39:34,960
Because they fly at such enormous speeds, they don't need any more than

1082
01:39:35,039 --> 01:39:42,399
one. So I don't think this
is a personal opinion. I don't think

1083
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,960
when they go into mountains that they're
all going into bases. I think that

1084
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:50,840
there's one base somewhere, and I
don't know where that base happens to be,

1085
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:56,359
by the way, but there's one
base somewhere that they that they fly

1086
01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:04,560
into and stay, but they most
likely are looking for I don't want to

1087
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:11,840
say hiding spots, but areas where
they can cool down their craft or sit

1088
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:16,239
and do research or whatever it is
that they do. Uh maybe they do

1089
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:23,680
major uploads to to satellites or something
like that. But they all are doing

1090
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,439
various things when they go up in
the mountains and it's not all to basis

1091
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:31,479
not just my opinion. Very that's
very interesting what he said. But one

1092
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:35,600
more question, if I mate,
six percent of the sidings that will catching

1093
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:41,359
on video on footage or orbs.
And there's been different theories about these orbs

1094
01:40:41,359 --> 01:40:45,239
as they are possibly some kind of
light beings that can transform into light and

1095
01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:51,279
travel, and I was only to
give me your thoughts on these orbs and

1096
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:55,880
what are they. They seem to
be intelligent or a light or an energy.

1097
01:40:56,399 --> 01:41:00,239
There's been a report that these from
contact. She said, Uh,

1098
01:41:00,279 --> 01:41:05,359
the visitors has come out of an
orb and grounds qorter back into light.

1099
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:12,439
Hmm. Okay, Um, I
apologize my dog he just took off.

1100
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:17,239
Okay. Um. Uh let's say, um, we're a pet friendly show.

1101
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:24,399
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
Um he's been she's been good.

1102
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:31,439
Really Uh so um orbs. I
believe the orbs are fair form of ship,

1103
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:44,880
and I also believe that their uh
ships are um multifaceted in that they

1104
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:53,039
can transform into other shapes dynamically just
while you're looking at them. This is

1105
01:41:53,079 --> 01:42:00,319
moving too something different um uh um, that's part of their technology. UM.

1106
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:05,640
I think though, that the orbs, the spheres um whatever they're they're

1107
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:13,439
called by are are the basic form
of their ship, and they show themselves

1108
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:17,840
to us in multiple ways. Interesting. Well, Steve, Hey, thank

1109
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:23,239
you for the call. I agree, Thank you so much. Nice talcling

1110
01:42:23,319 --> 01:42:27,039
the state. All right, so
you know we have a couple of questions

1111
01:42:27,039 --> 01:42:30,720
in chat as well. I'll just
pull these up. Have you ever done

1112
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:35,800
any investigation regarding crashes or any earlier
cases? Uh no, I'm only a

1113
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:39,680
data based guy. Okay. I
see, okay, so you don't do

1114
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:45,000
you don't actually do regular uhots on
the ground, as they say, No,

1115
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:48,840
I do not. No. Um. I'm I'm not thirty anymore.

1116
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:55,119
I have had a heart attack and
I have to really be careful what I

1117
01:42:55,159 --> 01:43:00,640
do with myself and walking through the
woods I don't want to be doing so

1118
01:43:00,279 --> 01:43:04,840
Yeah. Sure, okay, let's
see we have this question too, what

1119
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,840
are hi, Mary? Always nice
to see you in here. What are

1120
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:15,039
the shapes of the crafts that people
saw? Isn't it? Isn't it a

1121
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:18,079
variance of them? Before we get
into that, I just wanted to answer

1122
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:25,439
something that came up in the chat
room because I'm getting firsthand witness, witness,

1123
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:30,760
firsthand in regards to James Fox movie
called The Phenomenon. I saw someone

1124
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:35,279
posted in chat earlier that it was
coming out within one month, and I

1125
01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:39,680
just wanted to clear that up.
So this is directly from one of the

1126
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,079
producers. Just came to me right
now and he says all that we're saying

1127
01:43:44,119 --> 01:43:46,840
at this point is that the movie
is supposed to be released next month.

1128
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:51,399
Supposed to be released. I have
no actual day yet, I'll due to

1129
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:56,800
scheduling issues because of the coronavirus.
This is more news to come. So

1130
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:00,680
there is some truth to what was
posted earlier. You know, it's supposed

1131
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:02,920
to come out next month, and
I believe you me you will know about

1132
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:08,319
it because I'm gonna be pumping that
movie up and hopefully I'll get James on

1133
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:15,039
along with maybe someone else as well. So anyway, here's the question again,

1134
01:44:15,079 --> 01:44:20,560
what are the shapes sorry for that, Jack. Okay, this brings

1135
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:27,359
up an interesting story. The shapes
there are. If you look at the

1136
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:31,640
National UFO Reporting Center and start categorizing
and write down the name of each each

1137
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:39,079
particular shape that somebody sees, you're
gonna come up with about forty eight of

1138
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:44,920
them. Yeah. Now, does
that mean that they're all different, all

1139
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,600
from different civilizations and all. No, it doesn't mean that at all.

1140
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:55,800
I believe that when you put a
shape of something up in the sky and

1141
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:00,439
you look at it with the acception
of a sphere, if you look at

1142
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:04,640
it from different directions, it looks
different to you. And a lot of

1143
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:11,359
what people are seeing are the same
kind of thing looked at from four or

1144
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:16,239
five or fifteen different angles that get
reported differently. And I think that's a

1145
01:45:16,319 --> 01:45:21,640
lot of what the shapes are.
I think it's probably about seven different shapes.

1146
01:45:23,239 --> 01:45:28,119
And what I did in my first
three books is I took the fifty

1147
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:34,399
different shapes from the National the UFO
Reporting Center, and I took them and

1148
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:40,119
combined them into seven shapes. And
the reason I did that is so that

1149
01:45:40,199 --> 01:45:45,399
I can compare the shapes on one
graph, so that I could see what

1150
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:53,479
was changing from the nineteen fifties to
the present. So I could put all

1151
01:45:53,560 --> 01:46:02,680
seven kind of categories on one graph, and I think that was probably a

1152
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:10,239
pretty good thing to do. Um. But uh, there are a lot

1153
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:14,039
of different things that people are seeing, and some of them are really weird

1154
01:46:14,359 --> 01:46:17,760
and I had to combine them into
something else that may not have made sense,

1155
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,920
but I had to. I had
to. I had to compress them

1156
01:46:21,039 --> 01:46:25,600
so that I could get good,
good data on it. But yeah,

1157
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:31,079
the people describe up the fifty different
things. Uh, and yeah, because

1158
01:46:31,079 --> 01:46:34,399
some crazy stuff. Yeah, I
know, I've heard some crazy stories of

1159
01:46:35,159 --> 01:46:39,760
Um. You know, a friend
of mine saw something look like a perfectly

1160
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:44,720
square box, you know, with
lights on it, and it was floating,

1161
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,239
you know. I mean it's such
a weird thing. Yeah, but

1162
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,760
you know a lot of you just
made a really good point and uh,

1163
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:59,359
thank you for that. And that
is basically that the the times that people

1164
01:46:59,359 --> 01:47:04,800
are reporting. Sometimes the cigar shape
UFO could actually be a disc you know

1165
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:09,359
at an angle. Yeah. Oh
yes, Uh, you know there are

1166
01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:14,399
different ways that you can see things
just by you know, their distance an

1167
01:47:14,399 --> 01:47:18,279
angle. Yeah, it's totally different. Um. I had firsthand, um

1168
01:47:18,319 --> 01:47:24,399
experience with that. Um. Like
I said, we live on the landing

1169
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:28,319
pattern of Albany Airport, and they
come in from the window just to my

1170
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:32,760
left. And if I look out
and see them, um in their in

1171
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:39,760
their landing thing, they turn just
before they get to like above the window,

1172
01:47:40,079 --> 01:47:44,119
and I see the planes from all
these different angles. At one time

1173
01:47:44,319 --> 01:47:47,119
I went running out the door thinking, oh my god, this is this

1174
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:51,920
is the big one, you know, and it was an airplane. Yeah.

1175
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,600
Well yeah, look a lot of
times when they have their landing lights,

1176
01:47:55,680 --> 01:48:00,199
their landing lights up, you know, from far away, sometimes that's

1177
01:48:00,199 --> 01:48:03,439
all you see and that looks pretty
mysterious. I've also seen, you know,

1178
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:08,920
a helicopter that looked really strange one
time. Ye. But yeah,

1179
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:13,760
so I can understand why, you
know, people can you think they actually

1180
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:17,439
see something when it's something very explainable
that does happen, you know, in

1181
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,760
a majority of the cases. Yeah, the ones that you can explain,

1182
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:26,399
those are the ones that I'm that
keeps me doing this show. Yeah.

1183
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:31,159
Um, what I did with the
National UFO Reporting Center database is I read

1184
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:39,479
every single long report, seventy five
thousand reports here, and I read every

1185
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:45,000
single one of them. And the
reason I did is because when the new

1186
01:48:45,039 --> 01:48:50,359
folk would describe a siting. They
may say this, this sighting is a

1187
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:57,239
disc and then you the report and
it's really a sphere. So what do

1188
01:48:57,279 --> 01:49:00,920
you do with that? You know? Um? Uh, do you re

1189
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:05,199
relabel it? Do you delete it? Because they're not sure what they're talking

1190
01:49:05,239 --> 01:49:09,119
about, you know. So I
went through a whole lot of that.

1191
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:14,399
Um. When I went through the
database the first time with all fifty states,

1192
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:16,760
it was a nightmare. That's why
it took me a year. By

1193
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:20,640
the way, Wow, yeah,
yeah, well it looks like you're really

1194
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,640
kind of getting your work cut out
for you. It's a nightmare. It's

1195
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:30,159
a nightmare. Yeah, but you
must you must enjoy it. It kept

1196
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:35,279
me occupied, believe me. Yeah. Yeah. And and this next one

1197
01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:40,119
you're doing to me, it sounds
really intense and uh, you know,

1198
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:44,119
it wouldn't hurt for you to check
out I mentioned earlier, the Ariel School.

1199
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,439
I don't know if you've looked into
that. Yeah, I've read about

1200
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,960
that. Yeah, there's there's some
great footage on that too, with a

1201
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:55,319
lot of people describing what they've seen. So we just have a minute or

1202
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:59,479
two left here. Um. So
you can find your book and upcoming books

1203
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:03,760
on Amazon and just search your name
and that's Tom Conwell, no, no,

1204
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:10,920
it's under Thomas I write. I'm
sure, yeah, Thomas W.

1205
01:50:11,399 --> 01:50:17,119
Conwell yeah okay. And also,
um again I'm gonna expect to in the

1206
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:24,560
email if I could those maps for
anyone that's listening to this show audio that

1207
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,439
didn't get a chance to see it
on YouTube. Um, all you have

1208
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:30,960
to do is go into the show
notes and I'll post those maps up for

1209
01:50:30,039 --> 01:50:34,720
you. So thank you so much. Tom. It's been a real pleasure.

1210
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:39,760
Uh there's a pleasure for me too. And um, I especially love

1211
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,199
the call ins. There're a lot
of fun. You really don't know what

1212
01:50:43,279 --> 01:50:45,039
you're gonna get. That's right.
Well we have a good screener too,

1213
01:50:45,079 --> 01:50:49,720
so yeah, all right, we'll
stay healthy. Okay, thank you too,

1214
01:50:50,119 --> 01:50:54,199
all right, take care, okay, bye bye. All right,

1215
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:58,760
everyone, So next week, let's
see, we have we have a career

1216
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,960
on the show, but not Stephen. We have John Michael Greer and he's

1217
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:05,880
going to be talking about a book
that he has called The UFO Chronicles,

1218
01:51:06,359 --> 01:51:10,239
so stay tuned for that. And
as I mentioned before, we have all

1219
01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:16,159
kinds of really interesting guests coming up, and I think I'm pretty excited about

1220
01:51:16,199 --> 01:51:20,079
quite a few of them. So
let's see. Let me just get into

1221
01:51:20,079 --> 01:51:24,800
the right place here and that is
going to do it for us tonight.

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Thank you all for listening, and
thank you all for working behind the scenes.

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Bill over there at KGr A Radio. And if you're on KGr A

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Radio tonight, there's a new show. And I'm sorry I don't I was

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told quickly what it was, but
there's a show so hanging there for that,

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a new show and there's a lot
of hosts on that show. All

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right, everyone, thanks so much, and see you next week. Remember

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to keep your eyes to the sky.