1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,839 Welcome to the Afterlife Files, where we investigate near death experiences, shared death 2 00:00:05,879 --> 00:00:12,119 experiences, and all things afterlife and how they affect you. Unlike podcasts that 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,679 are just stories, we'll give you a heads up on what to look for 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,519 in our conversation, and then after the interview stick around. We'll help you 5 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:24,480 make sense of those accounts so you can incorporate the insights into your life. 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,679 I think you'll find that once having your most profound questions answered, living life 7 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:36,560 in the physical is filled with more peace and joy. Please visit us at 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:54,799 near Death Meditations dot com for all of our resources. I've known Kevin for 9 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,759 some time. He was an adept student in my Near Death Experience Intensive retreat, 10 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,799 and when we get a chance to talk, we typically have conversations about 11 00:01:03,879 --> 00:01:10,480 the nature and force of consciousness, not your everyday coffee chat among friends, 12 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:17,079 and for that I'm forever grateful. Kevin describes himself as currently living in the 13 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,519 Los Angeles area, where he is an artist with degrees, writer, entrepreneur, 14 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,799 and lifelong experiencer of the grace and love of spirit. Isn't that wonderful? 15 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,760 So when I found out that Kevin's long gest dating book was being published. 16 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,120 I rushed to get him on this show. I know you'll be impressed 17 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:44,760 and enlightened with what he shares during our interview. When our interview ends, 18 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:51,079 Kevin summarizes by saying, and I quote, all of the moment is now. 19 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:56,680 There is no future, There is no past, There is just now. 20 00:01:57,599 --> 00:02:02,760 Yes, you have the potential and the capability of experiencing who you are. 21 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:09,120 You have the potential to be a creator. Start to focus your life 22 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:15,560 on your relationship with spirit, and all things will change and that lovely. 23 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:21,080 I think it's important to have this frame of reference going into the interview. 24 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:27,840 What to listen for how he builds his case to this conclusion. Here's our 25 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:39,400 interview with Kevin Jeffers. Hey, Kevin, nice to have you with us 26 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:45,879 here on the Afterlife Files. Scott, thanks for bringing me on. I 27 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:51,159 have to say I was really intrigued when I got your copy of the book 28 00:02:51,919 --> 00:03:00,360 The Pattern, because it's filled with all kinds of really interesting stories and stuff. 29 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,199 I didn't realize that furniture like Lazy Boys, was such an important part 30 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:10,319 of, you know, our spiritual development. So let's start our interview with 31 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,240 that, you know, like what happened in the Lazy Boy, and why 32 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,319 and why do you call it the pattern? Well, two things. The 33 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:27,280 Lazy Boy is my favorite meditation chair. It's beautifully made for a reclining person. 34 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:31,240 So I sit in that chair and i'm I'm in a good frame of 35 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:38,599 mind to release. And the pattern is an experience I had when I was 36 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:45,120 much younger, a very vibrant, intense experience that has never really left me 37 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:54,360 since that happened. And how did you experience this pattern? I lifted my 38 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,080 consciousness out of my body. So I wanted to be clear on that point, 39 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,800 because that's the process. I don't call it out a body because I 40 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:10,879 don't look around and see a glowing image of myself. It's just the mind 41 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,920 going out. And the mind was going out and doing the usual exploration to 42 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:25,839 see what's what which I like to do, and I somehow shifted into a 43 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:32,839 space of awareness of the everything, not a specific thing, but the everything. 44 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,920 And what I saw was to me was incredibly stunning, almost speechless, 45 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:46,879 was a grid pattern that goes through the earth, and in the grid are 46 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,639 sparkles of light. And I couldn't understand what I was looking at. So 47 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,399 I just zoomed in a little closer and the sparkles of light, as I 48 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:04,439 saw it, were souls each of us, and I saw myself had a 49 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:13,199 location in the grid. And the grid is a structure that was devised by 50 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:19,920 the Creator to help us move through early phase consciousness into the point where we 51 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:25,560 can release our consciousness out of our physical body and move on to the next 52 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,680 thing to do. So is the pattern and the grid the same thing? 53 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,079 Yeah, the grid was the grid, And then I tried to think of 54 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:38,360 a name that made sense to me. When I saw the integration of the 55 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:45,319 Creator's consciousness within the framework of the grid and the individual souls located in the 56 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,480 grid, then I decided, well, that looks like a pattern of me. 57 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:57,920 Got it. So what's the significance of this grid and how do we 58 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,160 become aware of it? The first part is the significance in my own particular 59 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:09,959 case, I don't speak for other people, was that that experience of the 60 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:16,959 of the lights of the grid and the lights and the presence of Creator permanently 61 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:26,079 became a part of my consciousness. And when I linked to that, I 62 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:32,680 noticed that I was seeing more things, interesting things, more informed about what 63 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:42,160 I was looking at. So from my experience, the pattern is embedded in 64 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,639 me, and I don't know what the location is. It's all of me 65 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:57,240 and it's all of you. In terms of here we are in the three 66 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:08,240 dimensional world and we're moving through it to something more interesting. Oh to me, 67 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:13,439 the embedding of the experience of the pattern was in my energetic field. 68 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,040 Okay, I got it. There was really no connection to the body. 69 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:21,680 The body was just the tool that I use in my life when I step 70 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,519 out, it's as an energy body. And it was at that point where 71 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:39,279 I was imprinted with the pattern. And once you discovered this pattern, what 72 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,720 impact did it have on you? What was your aha? It wasn't a 73 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:49,000 one aha, it was it was a long, continuous aha. It was 74 00:07:49,879 --> 00:08:03,040 my consciousness beyond the body started to expand and experience more things, not only 75 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:11,600 my person my personality and my city and the planet, but moving out into 76 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,759 encompassing all that is. It was a very I guess I could say, 77 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:24,519 a lightning experience from me. And it showed that we are connected via this 78 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,439 grid to all the other souls that are out there. Everyone is connected, 79 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:35,120 Everyone is intertwined and bonded to each other. And the pattern is simply the 80 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,039 design put in place by the creator, and this is what I experience of 81 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:50,320 us, you me, everybody is in a process of evolving our consciousness from 82 00:08:50,320 --> 00:09:03,759 primary consciousness to an expanded, almost spiritual consciousness, and so this pattern really 83 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,120 exists all the time, So it doesn't make any difference whether we're alive or 84 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,200 dead, or it's there all the time, it doesn't go away. It's 85 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,960 a part of who we are, and it constantly informs us about the pattern, 86 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:26,320 constantly informs us about the state of our own consciousness, our soul's consciousness. 87 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:31,360 There we go. And as most people working through their body don't generally 88 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:41,440 have the experience of self consciousness in spirit readily available. So this really doesn't 89 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,120 make a difference whether we're alive or dead in this particular incarnation. Well, 90 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,360 you're an evolving entity and it doesn't matter whether you're alive or dead. You're 91 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,519 evolving. You live this life, you die, you go into spirit, 92 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,600 and then probably you come back and do it all over again. Just to 93 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,440 be clear, it sounds like you discovered this when you were a young man, 94 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,879 and you've been able to go back to this pattern time and time again 95 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:16,200 as you have as you explore it further. You know, it's interesting it's 96 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,799 not like going back. It's like it's always there, and when I choose 97 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,120 to be conscious of it, it's there. But because as such it has 98 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:30,360 been such an overpowering, overwhelming experience to me as a person that I don't 99 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:37,679 want to go there all the time. It's disruptive to mind. That's interesting, 100 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:45,159 disruptive in what way to my normal daily consciousness here on the planet Earth. 101 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,879 It captures my attention. I definitely don't want to go into the pattern 102 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:58,080 when I'm driving my car. Somewhat distracting? Is it totally? Because you 103 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:03,639 become I become immersed in the pattern one more time to the exclusion of all 104 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:11,360 else, And it's really not conducive the personal safety whereas you're doing something and 105 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,240 then suddenly just stopped doing it. So you did this during a state of 106 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:24,399 meditations there, right, Yes? And so how long have you been meditating? 107 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,200 What's the style that you use? Tell us a little more about that. 108 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,879 Okay, So the meditation part started when I was seventeen or eighteen, 109 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,600 and I really enjoyed it, so I continued to meditate. I didn't know 110 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:45,559 what meditation was, but in that state, in the meditative state, a 111 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,879 lot of interesting things happened for me. The first things of interest had happened 112 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:56,200 were during a hypno my first hypnosis section. There was a guy who was 113 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,120 a training hypnotist and he knew what I was doing and he wanted to find 114 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:07,840 out about it, so he tould me through a regression, popped right out 115 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:13,559 of my body, went into a past life. And that was the beginning 116 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:22,960 of probably me in the spiritual world. Before I was aware and I knew 117 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:28,679 and I talked with people about it, but it wasn't it really didn't impact 118 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,159 me until I went out of the body when I went into a past life, 119 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,519 because for me, it was that first experience was lifting through the roof 120 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:43,639 of my house, going out into some place, and then shifting this is 121 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:50,639 very important, shifting consciousness into an awareness of the past life. And I 122 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,120 got the ball rolling. So when you talk about an out of body experience, 123 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,639 are we talking about like the classical Bob Monroe out of body experience or 124 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,840 talking about the shifting of consciousness or both, or we're talking about both. 125 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,960 First I went out of the body, which I didn't know what was going 126 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:16,639 on, Okay, and that would be weird, wouldn't it totally weird? 127 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,360 But it was cool because I'm above the house and I see the house and 128 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:24,759 I see the yard in the car, which is great stuff for someone's never 129 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,080 done this before. It's really cool stuff. Then, for some reason, 130 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:35,600 probably under the direction to the hypnotists, I started regressing into past lives, 131 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:39,679 and then I had my first impactful experience of the past life. So were 132 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,799 you did you start out speaking of Bob Monroe, did you start out using 133 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,360 binaural beats? Do you use them now? No, that's a recent development. 134 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,440 I've been doing this for more than sixty fifty some years, fifty fifty 135 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:01,080 five years, and I never had until recently the experience of the them. 136 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,360 I think. So, what's the method that you used to get into these 137 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,840 deep states of consciousness that allows you to recognize that the pattern is there. 138 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:20,399 Well, initially it was just meditation. It was being opened and aware of, 139 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,639 releasing of the body and being available to the experience of the pattern. 140 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:33,000 Then probably the deeper levels of meditation occurred as I got older, more experience, 141 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:43,000 and I'd had a continuous experience of healing and spirit and life regression, 142 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:50,320 and all of those things I think came together to push me into a deeper 143 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:58,240 state of meditation. You said a little bit ago that this knowledge of the 144 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:07,600 pattern has helped really inform your life. Talk more about that kind of what 145 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:11,000 that impact is, and you know, obviously it caused you to write this 146 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,279 book. So you know what's the thing we should take from from that, 147 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:20,559 Well, the experience of the patterns, which I think is a gift that 148 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:35,799 I that I engaged in open my awareness of spirit spiritual consciousness. And then 149 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,600 inevitably you get to the point where where have you been and where you're going? 150 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:43,080 And then you get to another point it's hey, what the heck is 151 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,519 this stuff? Where does it come from? How does it happen? And 152 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:52,600 then beyond that point you learn that you are eternally, You're a forever being, 153 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:00,720 and you're in the grips of spirit in and encouraging you and pushing you 154 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,559 to develop your consciousness. I don't see the end game is having a perfect 155 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,600 body or perfect mind. I see the end game as releasing from the earth 156 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:18,200 cycle and moving on with who you are. Okay, So how did you 157 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:23,480 come to this knowledge? What what were the hard lessons that you learned? 158 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:33,559 Well, I think I've had a lot of hard lessons traveling being in the 159 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,480 body traveling. It's all hard lesson, that's just a part of life. 160 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:45,799 I think that the completing process of experiencing the pattern is in the things that 161 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,600 I did. Is like building a building. You've got a cornerstone, and 162 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:52,559 then you build and you've got a window and a door and a roof. 163 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:59,039 It's all about building who you are, building your consciousness. So you start 164 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,319 out with one brick and then hopefully you end up with the whole house. 165 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:15,119 So I seem to remember you talking about the role of belief systems and how 166 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:22,880 they need to go away, And is that? Am I right on that? 167 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:27,359 Totally? Think about it. When you started, when you started in 168 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:32,880 this life, you did what your parents told you to do. Then you 169 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,640 discovered gravity. Gravity told you what to do. Then you discovered the forces 170 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,720 of nature, and that told you what to do. So you started creating 171 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,960 a belief system that when certain things happen, they mean something. And then 172 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,559 as we get older, get a little more sophisticated, we started thinking about 173 00:17:53,680 --> 00:18:04,880 religion, philosophy, theology, and again we encapsulate our reality by formalizing our 174 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:12,079 view of the world and the universe. Those are beliefs. So what I 175 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:18,279 learned in my experience is that we need to release our beliefs and stay with 176 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,359 the pure experience of spirits. And that's a big one. That's a real 177 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:29,680 big one. Talk about an experience that got you to that place, Well, 178 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,240 yeah, that's a little hard to answer. It's it's a cumulative thing. 179 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,200 It's not like one day arriving when you're driving your car, you go 180 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:44,519 to someone a friend's house, and you're there. It's more like you're driving 181 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:47,559 because you have a car. Why do you have a car? A car 182 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,359 does what? And what are you doing? And what are you doing? 183 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:57,599 It is a coalescing of all things. So it's not like you're you knock 184 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,480 on a door and you arrive there one day. You are who you are 185 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:11,480 a cumulative cumulatively, you are who you are commulatively. Give us an example 186 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:19,599 of a lesson that you had that was particularly meaningful. Well that, yeah, 187 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:26,880 okay. My first meaningful experience in spirit and working with spirit was that 188 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:33,480 a long time ago. In nineteen seventy seven, I got a phone call 189 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:36,119 from my mother and my mother said to me, your brother's been in a 190 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,880 hockey accident. He was in his last game of his careers as a college 191 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:47,160 hockey player and all American, very very good. And that was a shocking 192 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,759 thing to know he'd been in an accident. It was possible he broke his 193 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,400 back. No one is quite sure yet. This was still early stage before 194 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:03,319 X rays and examination started that day and I drove to Saint Louis University of 195 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:10,640 Saint Louis and went to the hospital where he was located. And I walked 196 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,680 in the door and I was shocked. This is someone I love, this 197 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:18,640 is a family member. He was laying in a striker frame. A striker 198 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,559 frame. A striker frame. A striker frame is like an iron frame that 199 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:26,960 people with back injuries are put into. I don't know what they do these 200 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:32,000 days, but in those days, they would strap you into a frame and 201 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:36,839 turn turn you upside down so you're looking down so there's no pressure on the 202 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,720 back. And you're a mobile. You're a mobile. Very important. So 203 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:48,920 on the drive to St. Louis, I went into an altered state of 204 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,039 awareness. And I was too young to really understand what was happening. It 205 00:20:53,279 --> 00:21:00,640 seemed like I was being possessed of a spirit who is preparing me for something, 206 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,759 and it took over the ride. It's a six hour ride from Chicago 207 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:08,160 down to Saint Louis, and I spent four hours of it in the back 208 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:17,440 seat, sowned out, not asleep aware, but things were moving inside of 209 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,960 me. They were moving inside my head and my body, and I had 210 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:25,359 never experienced this before. So when we got out of the car and went 211 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,720 into the room and there wasn't a striker frame, I knew that I had 212 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:33,960 a thing to do, and since I had been doing healing for many years, 213 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,960 I said, let's start there. And I asked the nurse to leave 214 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:42,440 and my sister to leave. My mom wouldn't leave. So I walked up 215 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:48,240 to the foot of the bed and I felt something come out of me into 216 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:53,400 my brother. It was a force, it was real, it was tingling. 217 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,279 I was my hands were almost on fire. Who felt like they were 218 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:07,559 on fire. And this continued for a while and then it ended. I 219 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,039 was empty. There was nothing left, Everything had gone out. I was 220 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:17,279 exhausted, so I sat down, collected myself, and went back out in 221 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:23,200 the hallway to sit with the family. Then about an hour later, the 222 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:30,039 doctor was looking at X rays of my brother's back and he started swearing. 223 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,880 That's an interesting reaction, Okay, definitely swearing wondering who the idiot and the 224 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:45,079 X ray department was that sent up the x rays from before, because now 225 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,599 the back was in its entirety fused back into the spine, so he was 226 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,799 he was very annoyed. He wanted to know who the knucklehead was it sent 227 00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:59,119 the old x rays up because they don't match the x rays at that moment. 228 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,799 Oh, I get it, okay, So it really did turn into 229 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:10,359 healing. His spine was back to normal. Yes, it's all documented with 230 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,880 the hospital. They still can't figure it out and founding. My mom said 231 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:18,559 what happened? He said, I'll know. It's just it's special because these 232 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:25,119 things don't happen. Yeah. So what did your brother experience when you were 233 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,599 messing with his feet? Well, he was laying in a striker frame and 234 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,160 he was pretty zoned out. He was on a little bit of morphine than 235 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:37,480 he was in pain. And he said, Kevin, I couldn't figure out. 236 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,359 You were standing on each side of the bed, the head foot the 237 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:48,200 side the other side, and you had your arms stretched out and there was 238 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:56,880 light coming from you. Really, so you had according to him, you 239 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:06,519 were in multiple locations, four or five whatever, and each one of them 240 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:14,079 giving energy to him, all right, and the room to be clear, 241 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:21,920 the room is fairly crowded with what I call spiritual assistance healers in a spirit 242 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,880 form. They were generating the energy, They were driven generating the direction. 243 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,480 And when I do healing, I don't zone in on something and try to 244 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,039 figure out what's going on. I make myself available and turn who I am 245 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:44,559 over to spirit, and spirit is the intelligence of the healing. So you 246 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,319 know, I stand back and say I didn't do anything. I was just 247 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:52,480 present in that room because that's all that was needed. So you had put 248 00:24:52,480 --> 00:25:02,359 yourself into a meditative state. It sounds like it was not exactly wilful because 249 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,200 it was going on while you were driving. Yes, and they were a 250 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:12,799 control of driving as well as as you were experiencing it. Might write on 251 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,599 that, well, there's a little bit of downtime between getting out of the 252 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:21,519 car and showing up in my brother's room. But then when I stood at 253 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:26,559 the foot of his bed and prepared myself to be a healing channel, that's 254 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:33,079 when the action started. This wasn't about you. This was about your ability 255 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,119 to let go and let the light do its thing. Yeah, I never 256 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:48,880 consider anything about me I'm more than happy to be a channel and whatever happens 257 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:55,359 happens, because I never see myself as being smart enough or direct enough or 258 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,079 powerful enough to actually do something. And I've cried and I would be concerned 259 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,839 I was doing the wrong thing. So I opened myself up to spirit, 260 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,240 and spirit does its thing. Yeah. So I take it then that we 261 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,759 can all do this since we're all connected to the grid like you are. 262 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,039 We do it all the time. Talking example, if you're a father and 263 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:21,240 you have a child in distress and you're not feeling well, you sit by 264 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,039 their bed, you hold their hands, struct their forehead, put a cold 265 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:30,400 cloth on, and you pray or not the child will get better. There 266 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,079 is a transfer of energy through one consciousness into another. We just don't see 267 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,279 it that way. Oh it's great, the fever broke. How did that 268 00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:45,920 happen? Well, you were the cause of that happening, and that person 269 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:51,759 or the child was reaching out to you as well. So it's what I 270 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,559 call a joint effort. You have a sender and a receiver and they both 271 00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:02,079 have to cooperate with each other or agree to this. Every person you heal 272 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:07,440 is always an agreement that a healing can occur. Otherwise nothing happens. Otherwise 273 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,440 nothing happens. Yeah, if they're not supposed to be healed, you can't 274 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,279 make it happen. And it's not even supposed to be healed. They just 275 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:22,559 from from as a spiritual being, as a soul, spiritual soul. They're 276 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,279 agreeing or not agreeing, or they have conditions and limitations on the agreement, 277 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:38,319 or we are all amazing indestructible powerhouses in spirit. We know what's going on, 278 00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:42,640 we know what to do, and we know how to handle ourselves. 279 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:49,480 This thing that this tinkling sensation that left your hands, would you call it 280 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,000 light or energy or vibration or you know what does it seem to be like 281 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:04,400 for you? To me was a light energy which I observed happening, So 282 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:10,440 it had it had a visual presence at the moment, but it was going 283 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,160 out and there was a bit of a vibration. My hands started to get 284 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:21,720 very hot, so there were physical effects of that healing. So if you 285 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,680 use this light in other ways too, I use it constantly. I view 286 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:37,000 light as the manifestation of spirit creating an intent, trying to accomplish something spirit 287 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:41,960 and spiritual energy to accomplish it. You may not be fully aware of it, 288 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:47,279 you may not be aware of it at all, but ultimately that is 289 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:53,799 what's happening. So you cannot move through your reality hoping that your body is 290 00:28:53,799 --> 00:29:00,000 sufficient to create an environment where you can survive just is not going to happen. 291 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,799 There has to be agreement among all elements of your reality. So focusing 292 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:15,720 on that light, how do you do that? And how does that work 293 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:22,599 for you? I put myself in a meditative state, I gear down my 294 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,920 brain, I opened myself to God, and then things start to happen. 295 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:33,599 It sounds like there's intent involve here. I have to intend for a healing 296 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:40,119 to occur, and the receiver recipient needs to intend that they get healed. 297 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:47,559 Otherwise you're just tell people with rutting on different tracks, different agendas. But 298 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:53,480 you focus on this light in situations other than healing situations. And I use 299 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,759 it all the time. I use it for business, all right. I 300 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:04,720 give it a suple more examples because this is fascinating when I go into it. 301 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,960 When I go into a negotiation for a contract, I have to know 302 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:14,599 where things are moving and there may know there may not be a tell on 303 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,200 the other side, they're going to do something, or how they're going to 304 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,000 do it, or what is going to happen. You need to understand the 305 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,000 shifting of energy and the balance of the relationship of the two and the probability 306 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:32,519 of all things occurring. Just because you're having a great negotiation doesn't mean you're 307 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,799 going to be a successful Maybe think about this. Success is not in your 308 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,119 charts for that particular deal. Say a person is in a spot where they're 309 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,640 have a decision to make about their life, and should I go this way? 310 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,319 Should I go that way? You know, how would how would you 311 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,920 use it in that situation. I'd give it a try. If it was 312 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,920 desperate, life threatening, I would give it a try. Otherwise, I 313 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,279 have time to contemplate and meditate and pray and do all those things. Sometimes 314 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:11,519 you're just on the spot. The family friend was out with us and he 315 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:17,839 just fell over and he stopped breathing. Oops, that's not good. No, 316 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,720 So I figured, that's that's weird. And then I went over and 317 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,480 touched his head, and his eyes snapped open and he started breathing again. 318 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:37,400 Now that sounds really a little bit incredible. But I have the witnesses to 319 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,240 the fact which I need witness. I won't talk about anything that's not been 320 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:48,160 verified, by the way, it's just like talking spending hour. And he 321 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,880 didn't know what was happening on happening, but the group there saw that happen. 322 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,880 And I wasn't even and I was not entering into an intention other two 323 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:07,039 to help this guy. So there was no noo light the boat, you 324 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,599 know, bolt of lightning. There was no voices, there was nothing. 325 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,200 It was just something that I knew to do because I had done it before, 326 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,200 and I had no idea what the result would be. But you have 327 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:25,240 to try, at least I have to try. Yeah. So, speaking 328 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:32,480 of intent, have you been able to discern what our creator's intent is for 329 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,680 us, for the grid, for whatever. That's the that's the big one, 330 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,359 I know. That's why I'm asking. It's a real big one. 331 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,559 The answer is no. I can see trending, I can see energy displacement. 332 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,000 I can see things happening, But what the causes and what's powering that 333 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,279 and what the result is they're not clear. To man. I have my 334 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:07,079 one little slice of vision, meaning that this is you can see for yourself 335 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,720 but not other people. No, I can see I can see the example 336 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,480 I can see the pattern. I can see the disbursement of energy. I 337 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:22,440 can see the relationships of people that I'm involved with or are interested in in, 338 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:30,039 how the patterns influence affects their lives. In my life, not everyone 339 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,799 really cares. They live their life, they make the money, they take 340 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:42,240 care of their family or whatever they do. They're just not present and experiencing 341 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,079 the energy of spirit. One of the things I know, because we've talked 342 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:52,799 before, is that you do retrieval work, and in your book you talk 343 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,160 about some of the things that happened in the Ukraine for you, So tell 344 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,839 us a little about that. Well, I've been doing reachables for a very 345 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,920 very long time. I don't even remember when I started, it's been so 346 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,679 long. And then when the Ukrainian conflict started, remember it was a conflict. 347 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:15,559 When things started happening, and then you've heard about the Russians starting to 348 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,199 invade and take over towns. I knew there would be souls that needed to 349 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:27,920 be retrieved, and I focus on children and aged adults. May it's a 350 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,320 little discriminatory, but I figure that if you're healthy and you've got all your 351 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,280 parts, you can take care of yourself. The problem is children that are 352 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:45,840 killed by violent the violence of war. When they die, they don't know 353 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,159 what to do. There's no training, there's no mom and dad, there's 354 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,400 no anybody there. But more importantly, they're confused. They're confused. I 355 00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,840 could be sure the next minute. No, and where do you go? 356 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,239 How you know? To us with our training and a fold span of life 357 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,599 or even close to a span of life, when we die, the thought 358 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,159 generally is I want to go to heaven. I don't want to go to 359 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,800 the other place. Just as a note, there is no other place. 360 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:29,599 So that so the children need to be pulled through into the light of who 361 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:35,960 you are heading towards what I call the City of Lights. I'm reluctant to 362 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,239 call it heaven because I've never seen it as heaven. I've just seen it 363 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,760 as Od Monroe said, the city of lights and that ring of bell, 364 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,760 and then when I went there, it was real. But I knew that 365 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,599 was the place of recuperation. I knew that was the place of healing. 366 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:58,760 So you want to take these these children there because where they could get repaired 367 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:05,559 from that trauma that they just witnessed. That's my commitment to life. So 368 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,480 in the Ukraine, a lot of that was happening in older people were being 369 00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:13,159 blown up, or buildings were collapsing on them, or they died of fire 370 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:20,400 or smoke inhalation. All traumatic experiences don't necessarily mean transition to heaven, transition 371 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,320 to the City of Lights. That means generally they're confused. They need guidance, 372 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,079 they need direction, they need assurance. So in one particular case, 373 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,039 I went to a building that had just pretty much just been blown up. 374 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:43,199 It was rubble on rubble on rubble. Oh yeah, okay, And I'm 375 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:49,440 thinking, well, probably there some either people or bodies down in the rubble. 376 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,920 And I felt a pull by a woman who is in the rubble, 377 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,440 but she had been kind of blown up. There were many pieces and parts 378 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,639 of her and each and it was like seeing a ghost and I hate to 379 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:14,719 use that word. It's like a light shadow moving around, confused and lost. 380 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,840 So I thought, this isn't good. But what can I do. 381 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,360 I've never put someone back together again. That's new stuff for me. So 382 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,679 then I had this bright idea, well, why not go back to where 383 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:37,760 I was and start a process of rolling back time a few days? That 384 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,320 made sense to me. I mean, what else there was nothing else I 385 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,280 could do. I got to try something, So I rolled it back and 386 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,599 I went back there again. She was living in the apartment, boiling tear 387 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,960 or something, some kind of activity, having a good old day, very 388 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,679 happy. And so what I did is that I played is what I call 389 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:09,280 energy tags, surrounded her with energy tags in anticipation in two days that these 390 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,840 would be needed for retrieval m So then I went back again all the way 391 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,159 back to the great chair, the meditation chair, and I rolled rolled myself 392 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,400 forward to present time, and then I went back again. This was a 393 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,960 very long night, by the way, this was about three hours. Yeah, 394 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,119 I could see that you get to go there and come back, go 395 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,679 there common and you're you're just you don't know what direction to take because you 396 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,280 have no training on where it to go. So when I went back to 397 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,119 that pilot rubble, when just when she had died, then I saw pieces 398 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:52,760 of energy moving around in the stone as I've never seen that before, but 399 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:59,320 each one of them were tagged. I figured, that's that's her. So 400 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:06,679 somehow I reached out and pulled all of her out because I knew the location 401 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:14,679 identity of her energy and it's been merged with your energy tag so it looks 402 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,920 like some suspended animation. You pull it out and it's there, and then 403 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,039 it doesn't know where to go because it doesn't know what it is. There's 404 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:31,360 the soul. The lady's soul taught, you know, asking for help, 405 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,079 but all the little parts didn't know what to do. So the parts came 406 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,360 together when they were pulling out of the rubble, and then the rest of 407 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:47,239 it was easy. Move with her in light to the City of Lights and 408 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:54,639 let the experts take over the master healers. Nice to have a backup team. 409 00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:00,679 Yeah, I feel like I'm a taxi. I get called the meter, 410 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,920 starts, go to destination, drop them off, and then go back 411 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,440 again. Or in this case, I was so tired, I went back 412 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:14,239 to my meditation share and kind of faded out there. It's very, very 413 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,880 draining work, but I've used now that I used that technique a lot, 414 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:27,599 and then it's been of great assistance to me because everyone has tagged with energy. 415 00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,719 Everyone, So when you talk about the technique, you're talking about the 416 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:38,199 tagging or just the whole I'm talking about the tagging going backward, going forward. 417 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,519 That was more like creative invention. Something had to be done. I 418 00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:47,360 didn't get it. I probably knew exactly where everything was, because in spirit, 419 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,400 you know everything, you see everything, you experience everything, but from 420 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:58,440 the human side, there was just bits and pieces. Got it? Well, 421 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,119 you know, that's part of our belief systems that we have to let 422 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:06,480 go of, right, that you know, the idea that we can move 423 00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:14,000 forward and backwards, and that we can help energy coalesce, and that we 424 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,360 know what to do with it when we get it and take it to the 425 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:22,199 master. I can. I can only speak of myself to myself. I 426 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:30,440 agree. And the problem with the beliefs that I've dealt with all my life 427 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:37,880 is that the beliefs restrict the action. But now that I have experienced the 428 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,559 pattern and I'm getting a bit older and a little more, my energy is 429 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,519 a little more thinned out. I'm seeing more. What was your intent for 430 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:53,360 the book? Clearly you wrote it for some reason. Talk about that. 431 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,119 That's a good one. I started the book about thirty years ago. Oh 432 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,280 so this is a quick process. Yeah, it just a flash a light. 433 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,800 So I wrote the whole book, and then I put it on a 434 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,639 shelf for thirty years because I didn't know what to do with it. And 435 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,039 I thought, probably it was full of junk beliefs, systems of belief, 436 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,639 guesses, estimates, so I put it off on the side. Then a 437 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:29,039 couple of years ago I felt the impulse to bring it off the shelf and 438 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,519 clean it up, go through it, and make a book out of it. 439 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,639 So when people read this book, what do you want them to take 440 00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:45,000 away that they have the potential to be who they want? Oh, that's 441 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:50,920 lovely, and and do you explain it in this book? Yes, more 442 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,039 towards the end of the book, because the first part is action packed with 443 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:59,239 different stuff. But towards the end it's yes, you couldn't do this. 444 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,199 You can build a life where you can experience spirit, you can experience who 445 00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:10,920 you are. There are no limitations or restrictions other than the ones you place 446 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:17,840 on yourself. Probably more of the result of beliefs. Boy, that one 447 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:27,559 thing right there is incredibly valuable. Thank you, Kevin. And how can 448 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,519 people get this book? And how do they learn more about you? Well, 449 00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:35,800 I don't have any mechanism to learn more about me. I think you 450 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,800 just have to settle for the book. But the book. The book is 451 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,320 available on Amazon and Kindle as a paper book, and as a Kindle book. 452 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,039 It's a fairly new posting. I just completed this whole thing a couple 453 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:54,679 of weeks ago and now it's on Amazon, so people can go if they 454 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,440 like Kindle, which I personally prefer because you don't have a bunch of books 455 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,039 playing around room. You can pull it out of Kinda lawrences get a paperback. 456 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,880 So are we here at the Afterlife File. It's the first to interview 457 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:15,760 after the book has been published. Yes, you know when you mentioned that, 458 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:20,360 well, good for you. When you mentioned that, I knew that 459 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,039 I would be dealing with someone I could trust, and you know, the 460 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,920 environments, particularly in our relationship over the years, has been very smooth, 461 00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,840 beneficial. So when you said, well, why don't you do this? 462 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,440 And I'm all in because I'm all in for you. Thank you for that, 463 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,280 and the reverse is true. Thank you. Yeah, this is quite 464 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:53,360 an accomplishment to try to describe things that are in essence ineffable. And my 465 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,880 next book that I hope doesn't take thirty years to write, because I don't 466 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,760 think I have thirty years is about isn't that a belief system? I wouldn't 467 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,800 want that, No, thank you, I don't want to be. I 468 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,280 don't want to be one of those old folks in a wheelchair. I want 469 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,440 to enjoy my life and then go out. So that I have another book 470 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:22,079 plan, and it's all about soul retrieval stories. There ten fifteen years of 471 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:30,719 real, live retrievals of people that cannot exit out from the earth atmosphere. 472 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:38,320 They're pulled into it because of their beliefs and their emotions and their angers. 473 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,960 So many people need to be helped out, particularly children. Children really tugged 474 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,039 my heart because they don't know what to do. I don't know what to 475 00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:58,039 do. So is there one last thing that you would like to leave our 476 00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,199 audience with that we haven't covered that you're dying to talk about. No, 477 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,320 okay, we'll edit that out. Not to answer the questions, all in 478 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,000 the moment, Scott, all in the moments of now. There is no 479 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:19,400 future, there is no past, it's just now. So there's no one 480 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:27,079 thing other than yes, you have the potential and the capability of experiencing who 481 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:37,079 you are. You have the potential to be a creator. So that my 482 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:45,239 takeaway would be start to focus your life on your relationship with spirit and things 483 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,280 will change. Now. From a business point, of view. I've only 484 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,760 become more successful with my understanding of energy flow, so that was a real 485 00:46:52,239 --> 00:47:00,239 benefit in a practical world. But I think the other benefit in spirit is 486 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:07,679 a much much greater value to each of us. And that seems like the 487 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,280 perfect note to end on and everybody. Just as a reminder here we are 488 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,599 trying to get the fingers out of the way. The pattern by Kevin Jeffers. 489 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,000 This is a fascinating read. Thank you so much for being with us 490 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:37,000 today. I've thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you. There are so many insights 491 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,400 that come up during this interview. Just be clear these are my viewpoints. 492 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,599 But that's why you watch the Afterlife files to gain perspective by using more than 493 00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:52,679 one lens with which to view this rich information. Right off the bath, 494 00:47:53,039 --> 00:48:00,800 he confirms for us that we are essentially beings of light, intertwine and connected 495 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:07,599 to each other through what he experiences as the grid, and that this grid 496 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,119 is an integral part of who we are as forever beings, both individually and 497 00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:20,119 collectively. By connecting and using the grid, we can assess the state of 498 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:27,239 our own consciousness. He affirmed that we cannot be separated from this pattern However, 499 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,199 we can choose to engage or not engage with the grid as we desire. 500 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,679 Okay number two. I found it helpful to listen to his discussion about 501 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:44,280 how to use light energy for healing. I particularly at his emphasis on both 502 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:50,920 the sender and the receiver agreeing to be healed. Also, I've trained hundreds 503 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,360 of people on how to do soul retrieval. If that work interests you, 504 00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,559 I would encourage you to check out this skill. It can be really rewarding. 505 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:08,280 And I also liked his comment on how amazing, indestructible and powerful we 506 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:14,880 are as spirit. I found too often that folk thinks of themselves as too 507 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,840 small. They accept what others say is their role and thus limit their curiosity 508 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:25,000 and capabilities. It's one of the most important beliefs that we have to throw 509 00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:31,559 away. And lastly, I found his basic methodology simple and effective for meditation, 510 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,400 whether or not you use binaural beats, and that is, put yourself 511 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,679 in a meditative state. Now you can use a lazy boy reclaimer or not. 512 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,679 Then gear down your brain, open yourself to God, and that's when 513 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:52,920 things start to happen. I do hope the videos such as this can give 514 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,519 you some insight on what near death and shared death experiencers discover about the afterlife, 515 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,440 the nature of consci bousness, and how to live your life more fully. 516 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,800 If you've not already hit that subscribe button, I would encourage you to 517 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,800 do so now. 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