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near Death Meditations dot com for all of our resources. I've known Kevin for
some time. He was an adept student in my Near Death Experience Intensive retreat,
and when we get a chance to talk, we typically have conversations about
the nature and force of consciousness, not your everyday coffee chat among friends,
and for that I'm forever grateful. Kevin describes himself as currently living in the
Los Angeles area, where he is an artist with degrees, writer, entrepreneur,
and lifelong experiencer of the grace and love of spirit. Isn't that wonderful?
So when I found out that Kevin's long gest dating book was being published.
I rushed to get him on this show. I know you'll be impressed
and enlightened with what he shares during our interview. When our interview ends,
Kevin summarizes by saying, and I quote, all of the moment is now.
There is no future, There is no past, There is just now.
Yes, you have the potential and the capability of experiencing who you are.
You have the potential to be a creator. Start to focus your life
on your relationship with spirit, and all things will change and that lovely.
I think it's important to have this frame of reference going into the interview.
What to listen for how he builds his case to this conclusion. Here's our
interview with Kevin Jeffers. Hey, Kevin, nice to have you with us
here on the Afterlife Files. Scott, thanks for bringing me on. I
have to say I was really intrigued when I got your copy of the book
The Pattern, because it's filled with all kinds of really interesting stories and stuff.
I didn't realize that furniture like Lazy Boys, was such an important part
of, you know, our spiritual development. So let's start our interview with
that, you know, like what happened in the Lazy Boy, and why
and why do you call it the pattern? Well, two things. The
Lazy Boy is my favorite meditation chair. It's beautifully made for a reclining person.
So I sit in that chair and i'm I'm in a good frame of
mind to release. And the pattern is an experience I had when I was
much younger, a very vibrant, intense experience that has never really left me
since that happened. And how did you experience this pattern? I lifted my
consciousness out of my body. So I wanted to be clear on that point,
because that's the process. I don't call it out a body because I
don't look around and see a glowing image of myself. It's just the mind
going out. And the mind was going out and doing the usual exploration to
see what's what which I like to do, and I somehow shifted into a
space of awareness of the everything, not a specific thing, but the everything.
And what I saw was to me was incredibly stunning, almost speechless,
was a grid pattern that goes through the earth, and in the grid are
sparkles of light. And I couldn't understand what I was looking at. So
I just zoomed in a little closer and the sparkles of light, as I
saw it, were souls each of us, and I saw myself had a
location in the grid. And the grid is a structure that was devised by
the Creator to help us move through early phase consciousness into the point where we
can release our consciousness out of our physical body and move on to the next
thing to do. So is the pattern and the grid the same thing?
Yeah, the grid was the grid, And then I tried to think of
a name that made sense to me. When I saw the integration of the
Creator's consciousness within the framework of the grid and the individual souls located in the
grid, then I decided, well, that looks like a pattern of me.
Got it. So what's the significance of this grid and how do we
become aware of it? The first part is the significance in my own particular
case, I don't speak for other people, was that that experience of the
of the lights of the grid and the lights and the presence of Creator permanently
became a part of my consciousness. And when I linked to that, I
noticed that I was seeing more things, interesting things, more informed about what
I was looking at. So from my experience, the pattern is embedded in
me, and I don't know what the location is. It's all of me
and it's all of you. In terms of here we are in the three
dimensional world and we're moving through it to something more interesting. Oh to me,
the embedding of the experience of the pattern was in my energetic field.
Okay, I got it. There was really no connection to the body.
The body was just the tool that I use in my life when I step
out, it's as an energy body. And it was at that point where
I was imprinted with the pattern. And once you discovered this pattern, what
impact did it have on you? What was your aha? It wasn't a
one aha, it was it was a long, continuous aha. It was
my consciousness beyond the body started to expand and experience more things, not only
my person my personality and my city and the planet, but moving out into
encompassing all that is. It was a very I guess I could say,
a lightning experience from me. And it showed that we are connected via this
grid to all the other souls that are out there. Everyone is connected,
Everyone is intertwined and bonded to each other. And the pattern is simply the
design put in place by the creator, and this is what I experience of
us, you me, everybody is in a process of evolving our consciousness from
primary consciousness to an expanded, almost spiritual consciousness, and so this pattern really
exists all the time, So it doesn't make any difference whether we're alive or
dead, or it's there all the time, it doesn't go away. It's
a part of who we are, and it constantly informs us about the pattern,
constantly informs us about the state of our own consciousness, our soul's consciousness.
There we go. And as most people working through their body don't generally
have the experience of self consciousness in spirit readily available. So this really doesn't
make a difference whether we're alive or dead in this particular incarnation. Well,
you're an evolving entity and it doesn't matter whether you're alive or dead. You're
evolving. You live this life, you die, you go into spirit,
and then probably you come back and do it all over again. Just to
be clear, it sounds like you discovered this when you were a young man,
and you've been able to go back to this pattern time and time again
as you have as you explore it further. You know, it's interesting it's
not like going back. It's like it's always there, and when I choose
to be conscious of it, it's there. But because as such it has
been such an overpowering, overwhelming experience to me as a person that I don't
want to go there all the time. It's disruptive to mind. That's interesting,
disruptive in what way to my normal daily consciousness here on the planet Earth.
It captures my attention. I definitely don't want to go into the pattern
when I'm driving my car. Somewhat distracting? Is it totally? Because you
become I become immersed in the pattern one more time to the exclusion of all
else, And it's really not conducive the personal safety whereas you're doing something and
then suddenly just stopped doing it. So you did this during a state of
meditations there, right, Yes? And so how long have you been meditating?
What's the style that you use? Tell us a little more about that.
Okay, So the meditation part started when I was seventeen or eighteen,
and I really enjoyed it, so I continued to meditate. I didn't know
what meditation was, but in that state, in the meditative state, a
lot of interesting things happened for me. The first things of interest had happened
were during a hypno my first hypnosis section. There was a guy who was
a training hypnotist and he knew what I was doing and he wanted to find
out about it, so he tould me through a regression, popped right out
of my body, went into a past life. And that was the beginning
of probably me in the spiritual world. Before I was aware and I knew
and I talked with people about it, but it wasn't it really didn't impact
me until I went out of the body when I went into a past life,
because for me, it was that first experience was lifting through the roof
of my house, going out into some place, and then shifting this is
very important, shifting consciousness into an awareness of the past life. And I
got the ball rolling. So when you talk about an out of body experience,
are we talking about like the classical Bob Monroe out of body experience or
talking about the shifting of consciousness or both, or we're talking about both.
First I went out of the body, which I didn't know what was going
on, Okay, and that would be weird, wouldn't it totally weird?
But it was cool because I'm above the house and I see the house and
I see the yard in the car, which is great stuff for someone's never
done this before. It's really cool stuff. Then, for some reason,
probably under the direction to the hypnotists, I started regressing into past lives,
and then I had my first impactful experience of the past life. So were
you did you start out speaking of Bob Monroe, did you start out using
binaural beats? Do you use them now? No, that's a recent development.
I've been doing this for more than sixty fifty some years, fifty fifty
five years, and I never had until recently the experience of the them.
I think. So, what's the method that you used to get into these
deep states of consciousness that allows you to recognize that the pattern is there.
Well, initially it was just meditation. It was being opened and aware of,
releasing of the body and being available to the experience of the pattern.
Then probably the deeper levels of meditation occurred as I got older, more experience,
and I'd had a continuous experience of healing and spirit and life regression,
and all of those things I think came together to push me into a deeper
state of meditation. You said a little bit ago that this knowledge of the
pattern has helped really inform your life. Talk more about that kind of what
that impact is, and you know, obviously it caused you to write this
book. So you know what's the thing we should take from from that,
Well, the experience of the patterns, which I think is a gift that
I that I engaged in open my awareness of spirit spiritual consciousness. And then
inevitably you get to the point where where have you been and where you're going?
And then you get to another point it's hey, what the heck is
this stuff? Where does it come from? How does it happen? And
then beyond that point you learn that you are eternally, You're a forever being,
and you're in the grips of spirit in and encouraging you and pushing you
to develop your consciousness. I don't see the end game is having a perfect
body or perfect mind. I see the end game as releasing from the earth
cycle and moving on with who you are. Okay, So how did you
come to this knowledge? What what were the hard lessons that you learned?
Well, I think I've had a lot of hard lessons traveling being in the
body traveling. It's all hard lesson, that's just a part of life.
I think that the completing process of experiencing the pattern is in the things that
I did. Is like building a building. You've got a cornerstone, and
then you build and you've got a window and a door and a roof.
It's all about building who you are, building your consciousness. So you start
out with one brick and then hopefully you end up with the whole house.
So I seem to remember you talking about the role of belief systems and how
they need to go away, And is that? Am I right on that?
Totally? Think about it. When you started, when you started in
this life, you did what your parents told you to do. Then you
discovered gravity. Gravity told you what to do. Then you discovered the forces
of nature, and that told you what to do. So you started creating
a belief system that when certain things happen, they mean something. And then
as we get older, get a little more sophisticated, we started thinking about
religion, philosophy, theology, and again we encapsulate our reality by formalizing our
view of the world and the universe. Those are beliefs. So what I
learned in my experience is that we need to release our beliefs and stay with
the pure experience of spirits. And that's a big one. That's a real
big one. Talk about an experience that got you to that place, Well,
yeah, that's a little hard to answer. It's it's a cumulative thing.
It's not like one day arriving when you're driving your car, you go
to someone a friend's house, and you're there. It's more like you're driving
because you have a car. Why do you have a car? A car
does what? And what are you doing? And what are you doing?
It is a coalescing of all things. So it's not like you're you knock
on a door and you arrive there one day. You are who you are
a cumulative cumulatively, you are who you are commulatively. Give us an example
of a lesson that you had that was particularly meaningful. Well that, yeah,
okay. My first meaningful experience in spirit and working with spirit was that
a long time ago. In nineteen seventy seven, I got a phone call
from my mother and my mother said to me, your brother's been in a
hockey accident. He was in his last game of his careers as a college
hockey player and all American, very very good. And that was a shocking
thing to know he'd been in an accident. It was possible he broke his
back. No one is quite sure yet. This was still early stage before
X rays and examination started that day and I drove to Saint Louis University of
Saint Louis and went to the hospital where he was located. And I walked
in the door and I was shocked. This is someone I love, this
is a family member. He was laying in a striker frame. A striker
frame. A striker frame. A striker frame is like an iron frame that
people with back injuries are put into. I don't know what they do these
days, but in those days, they would strap you into a frame and
turn turn you upside down so you're looking down so there's no pressure on the
back. And you're a mobile. You're a mobile. Very important. So
on the drive to St. Louis, I went into an altered state of
awareness. And I was too young to really understand what was happening. It
seemed like I was being possessed of a spirit who is preparing me for something,
and it took over the ride. It's a six hour ride from Chicago
down to Saint Louis, and I spent four hours of it in the back
seat, sowned out, not asleep aware, but things were moving inside of
me. They were moving inside my head and my body, and I had
never experienced this before. So when we got out of the car and went
into the room and there wasn't a striker frame, I knew that I had
a thing to do, and since I had been doing healing for many years,
I said, let's start there. And I asked the nurse to leave
and my sister to leave. My mom wouldn't leave. So I walked up
to the foot of the bed and I felt something come out of me into
my brother. It was a force, it was real, it was tingling.
I was my hands were almost on fire. Who felt like they were
on fire. And this continued for a while and then it ended. I
was empty. There was nothing left, Everything had gone out. I was
exhausted, so I sat down, collected myself, and went back out in
the hallway to sit with the family. Then about an hour later, the
doctor was looking at X rays of my brother's back and he started swearing.
That's an interesting reaction, Okay, definitely swearing wondering who the idiot and the
X ray department was that sent up the x rays from before, because now
the back was in its entirety fused back into the spine, so he was
he was very annoyed. He wanted to know who the knucklehead was it sent
the old x rays up because they don't match the x rays at that moment.
Oh, I get it, okay, So it really did turn into
healing. His spine was back to normal. Yes, it's all documented with
the hospital. They still can't figure it out and founding. My mom said
what happened? He said, I'll know. It's just it's special because these
things don't happen. Yeah. So what did your brother experience when you were
messing with his feet? Well, he was laying in a striker frame and
he was pretty zoned out. He was on a little bit of morphine than
he was in pain. And he said, Kevin, I couldn't figure out.
You were standing on each side of the bed, the head foot the
side the other side, and you had your arms stretched out and there was
light coming from you. Really, so you had according to him, you
were in multiple locations, four or five whatever, and each one of them
giving energy to him, all right, and the room to be clear,
the room is fairly crowded with what I call spiritual assistance healers in a spirit
form. They were generating the energy, They were driven generating the direction.
And when I do healing, I don't zone in on something and try to
figure out what's going on. I make myself available and turn who I am
over to spirit, and spirit is the intelligence of the healing. So you
know, I stand back and say I didn't do anything. I was just
present in that room because that's all that was needed. So you had put
yourself into a meditative state. It sounds like it was not exactly wilful because
it was going on while you were driving. Yes, and they were a
control of driving as well as as you were experiencing it. Might write on
that, well, there's a little bit of downtime between getting out of the
car and showing up in my brother's room. But then when I stood at
the foot of his bed and prepared myself to be a healing channel, that's
when the action started. This wasn't about you. This was about your ability
to let go and let the light do its thing. Yeah, I never
consider anything about me I'm more than happy to be a channel and whatever happens
happens, because I never see myself as being smart enough or direct enough or
powerful enough to actually do something. And I've cried and I would be concerned
I was doing the wrong thing. So I opened myself up to spirit,
and spirit does its thing. Yeah. So I take it then that we
can all do this since we're all connected to the grid like you are.
We do it all the time. Talking example, if you're a father and
you have a child in distress and you're not feeling well, you sit by
their bed, you hold their hands, struct their forehead, put a cold
cloth on, and you pray or not the child will get better. There
is a transfer of energy through one consciousness into another. We just don't see
it that way. Oh it's great, the fever broke. How did that
happen? Well, you were the cause of that happening, and that person
or the child was reaching out to you as well. So it's what I
call a joint effort. You have a sender and a receiver and they both
have to cooperate with each other or agree to this. Every person you heal
is always an agreement that a healing can occur. Otherwise nothing happens. Otherwise
nothing happens. Yeah, if they're not supposed to be healed, you can't
make it happen. And it's not even supposed to be healed. They just
from from as a spiritual being, as a soul, spiritual soul. They're
agreeing or not agreeing, or they have conditions and limitations on the agreement,
or we are all amazing indestructible powerhouses in spirit. We know what's going on,
we know what to do, and we know how to handle ourselves.
This thing that this tinkling sensation that left your hands, would you call it
light or energy or vibration or you know what does it seem to be like
for you? To me was a light energy which I observed happening, So
it had it had a visual presence at the moment, but it was going
out and there was a bit of a vibration. My hands started to get
very hot, so there were physical effects of that healing. So if you
use this light in other ways too, I use it constantly. I view
light as the manifestation of spirit creating an intent, trying to accomplish something spirit
and spiritual energy to accomplish it. You may not be fully aware of it,
you may not be aware of it at all, but ultimately that is
what's happening. So you cannot move through your reality hoping that your body is
sufficient to create an environment where you can survive just is not going to happen.
There has to be agreement among all elements of your reality. So focusing
on that light, how do you do that? And how does that work
for you? I put myself in a meditative state, I gear down my
brain, I opened myself to God, and then things start to happen.
It sounds like there's intent involve here. I have to intend for a healing
to occur, and the receiver recipient needs to intend that they get healed.
Otherwise you're just tell people with rutting on different tracks, different agendas. But
you focus on this light in situations other than healing situations. And I use
it all the time. I use it for business, all right. I
give it a suple more examples because this is fascinating when I go into it.
When I go into a negotiation for a contract, I have to know
where things are moving and there may know there may not be a tell on
the other side, they're going to do something, or how they're going to
do it, or what is going to happen. You need to understand the
shifting of energy and the balance of the relationship of the two and the probability
of all things occurring. Just because you're having a great negotiation doesn't mean you're
going to be a successful Maybe think about this. Success is not in your
charts for that particular deal. Say a person is in a spot where they're
have a decision to make about their life, and should I go this way?
Should I go that way? You know, how would how would you
use it in that situation. I'd give it a try. If it was
desperate, life threatening, I would give it a try. Otherwise, I
have time to contemplate and meditate and pray and do all those things. Sometimes
you're just on the spot. The family friend was out with us and he
just fell over and he stopped breathing. Oops, that's not good. No,
So I figured, that's that's weird. And then I went over and
touched his head, and his eyes snapped open and he started breathing again.
Now that sounds really a little bit incredible. But I have the witnesses to
the fact which I need witness. I won't talk about anything that's not been
verified, by the way, it's just like talking spending hour. And he
didn't know what was happening on happening, but the group there saw that happen.
And I wasn't even and I was not entering into an intention other two
to help this guy. So there was no noo light the boat, you
know, bolt of lightning. There was no voices, there was nothing.
It was just something that I knew to do because I had done it before,
and I had no idea what the result would be. But you have
to try, at least I have to try. Yeah. So, speaking
of intent, have you been able to discern what our creator's intent is for
us, for the grid, for whatever. That's the that's the big one,
I know. That's why I'm asking. It's a real big one.
The answer is no. I can see trending, I can see energy displacement.
I can see things happening, But what the causes and what's powering that
and what the result is they're not clear. To man. I have my
one little slice of vision, meaning that this is you can see for yourself
but not other people. No, I can see I can see the example
I can see the pattern. I can see the disbursement of energy. I
can see the relationships of people that I'm involved with or are interested in in,
how the patterns influence affects their lives. In my life, not everyone
really cares. They live their life, they make the money, they take
care of their family or whatever they do. They're just not present and experiencing
the energy of spirit. One of the things I know, because we've talked
before, is that you do retrieval work, and in your book you talk
about some of the things that happened in the Ukraine for you, So tell
us a little about that. Well, I've been doing reachables for a very
very long time. I don't even remember when I started, it's been so
long. And then when the Ukrainian conflict started, remember it was a conflict.
When things started happening, and then you've heard about the Russians starting to
invade and take over towns. I knew there would be souls that needed to
be retrieved, and I focus on children and aged adults. May it's a
little discriminatory, but I figure that if you're healthy and you've got all your
parts, you can take care of yourself. The problem is children that are
killed by violent the violence of war. When they die, they don't know
what to do. There's no training, there's no mom and dad, there's
no anybody there. But more importantly, they're confused. They're confused. I
could be sure the next minute. No, and where do you go?
How you know? To us with our training and a fold span of life
or even close to a span of life, when we die, the thought
generally is I want to go to heaven. I don't want to go to
the other place. Just as a note, there is no other place.
So that so the children need to be pulled through into the light of who
you are heading towards what I call the City of Lights. I'm reluctant to
call it heaven because I've never seen it as heaven. I've just seen it
as Od Monroe said, the city of lights and that ring of bell,
and then when I went there, it was real. But I knew that
was the place of recuperation. I knew that was the place of healing.
So you want to take these these children there because where they could get repaired
from that trauma that they just witnessed. That's my commitment to life. So
in the Ukraine, a lot of that was happening in older people were being
blown up, or buildings were collapsing on them, or they died of fire
or smoke inhalation. All traumatic experiences don't necessarily mean transition to heaven, transition
to the City of Lights. That means generally they're confused. They need guidance,
they need direction, they need assurance. So in one particular case,
I went to a building that had just pretty much just been blown up.
It was rubble on rubble on rubble. Oh yeah, okay, And I'm
thinking, well, probably there some either people or bodies down in the rubble.
And I felt a pull by a woman who is in the rubble,
but she had been kind of blown up. There were many pieces and parts
of her and each and it was like seeing a ghost and I hate to
use that word. It's like a light shadow moving around, confused and lost.
So I thought, this isn't good. But what can I do.
I've never put someone back together again. That's new stuff for me. So
then I had this bright idea, well, why not go back to where
I was and start a process of rolling back time a few days? That
made sense to me. I mean, what else there was nothing else I
could do. I got to try something, So I rolled it back and
I went back there again. She was living in the apartment, boiling tear
or something, some kind of activity, having a good old day, very
happy. And so what I did is that I played is what I call
energy tags, surrounded her with energy tags in anticipation in two days that these
would be needed for retrieval m So then I went back again all the way
back to the great chair, the meditation chair, and I rolled rolled myself
forward to present time, and then I went back again. This was a
very long night, by the way, this was about three hours. Yeah,
I could see that you get to go there and come back, go
there common and you're you're just you don't know what direction to take because you
have no training on where it to go. So when I went back to
that pilot rubble, when just when she had died, then I saw pieces
of energy moving around in the stone as I've never seen that before, but
each one of them were tagged. I figured, that's that's her. So
somehow I reached out and pulled all of her out because I knew the location
identity of her energy and it's been merged with your energy tag so it looks
like some suspended animation. You pull it out and it's there, and then
it doesn't know where to go because it doesn't know what it is. There's
the soul. The lady's soul taught, you know, asking for help,
but all the little parts didn't know what to do. So the parts came
together when they were pulling out of the rubble, and then the rest of
it was easy. Move with her in light to the City of Lights and
let the experts take over the master healers. Nice to have a backup team.
Yeah, I feel like I'm a taxi. I get called the meter,
starts, go to destination, drop them off, and then go back
again. Or in this case, I was so tired, I went back
to my meditation share and kind of faded out there. It's very, very
draining work, but I've used now that I used that technique a lot,
and then it's been of great assistance to me because everyone has tagged with energy.
Everyone, So when you talk about the technique, you're talking about the
tagging or just the whole I'm talking about the tagging going backward, going forward.
That was more like creative invention. Something had to be done. I
didn't get it. I probably knew exactly where everything was, because in spirit,
you know everything, you see everything, you experience everything, but from
the human side, there was just bits and pieces. Got it? Well,
you know, that's part of our belief systems that we have to let
go of, right, that you know, the idea that we can move
forward and backwards, and that we can help energy coalesce, and that we
know what to do with it when we get it and take it to the
master. I can. I can only speak of myself to myself. I
agree. And the problem with the beliefs that I've dealt with all my life
is that the beliefs restrict the action. But now that I have experienced the
pattern and I'm getting a bit older and a little more, my energy is
a little more thinned out. I'm seeing more. What was your intent for
the book? Clearly you wrote it for some reason. Talk about that.
That's a good one. I started the book about thirty years ago. Oh
so this is a quick process. Yeah, it just a flash a light.
So I wrote the whole book, and then I put it on a
shelf for thirty years because I didn't know what to do with it. And
I thought, probably it was full of junk beliefs, systems of belief,
guesses, estimates, so I put it off on the side. Then a
couple of years ago I felt the impulse to bring it off the shelf and
clean it up, go through it, and make a book out of it.
So when people read this book, what do you want them to take
away that they have the potential to be who they want? Oh, that's
lovely, and and do you explain it in this book? Yes, more
towards the end of the book, because the first part is action packed with
different stuff. But towards the end it's yes, you couldn't do this.
You can build a life where you can experience spirit, you can experience who
you are. There are no limitations or restrictions other than the ones you place
on yourself. Probably more of the result of beliefs. Boy, that one
thing right there is incredibly valuable. Thank you, Kevin. And how can
people get this book? And how do they learn more about you? Well,
I don't have any mechanism to learn more about me. I think you
just have to settle for the book. But the book. The book is
available on Amazon and Kindle as a paper book, and as a Kindle book.
It's a fairly new posting. I just completed this whole thing a couple
of weeks ago and now it's on Amazon, so people can go if they
like Kindle, which I personally prefer because you don't have a bunch of books
playing around room. You can pull it out of Kinda lawrences get a paperback.
So are we here at the Afterlife File. It's the first to interview
after the book has been published. Yes, you know when you mentioned that,
well, good for you. When you mentioned that, I knew that
I would be dealing with someone I could trust, and you know, the
environments, particularly in our relationship over the years, has been very smooth,
beneficial. So when you said, well, why don't you do this?
And I'm all in because I'm all in for you. Thank you for that,
and the reverse is true. Thank you. Yeah, this is quite
an accomplishment to try to describe things that are in essence ineffable. And my
next book that I hope doesn't take thirty years to write, because I don't
think I have thirty years is about isn't that a belief system? I wouldn't
want that, No, thank you, I don't want to be. I
don't want to be one of those old folks in a wheelchair. I want
to enjoy my life and then go out. So that I have another book
plan, and it's all about soul retrieval stories. There ten fifteen years of
real, live retrievals of people that cannot exit out from the earth atmosphere.
They're pulled into it because of their beliefs and their emotions and their angers.
So many people need to be helped out, particularly children. Children really tugged
my heart because they don't know what to do. I don't know what to
do. So is there one last thing that you would like to leave our
audience with that we haven't covered that you're dying to talk about. No,
okay, we'll edit that out. Not to answer the questions, all in
the moment, Scott, all in the moments of now. There is no
future, there is no past, it's just now. So there's no one
thing other than yes, you have the potential and the capability of experiencing who
you are. You have the potential to be a creator. So that my
takeaway would be start to focus your life on your relationship with spirit and things
will change. Now. From a business point, of view. I've only
become more successful with my understanding of energy flow, so that was a real
benefit in a practical world. But I think the other benefit in spirit is
a much much greater value to each of us. And that seems like the
perfect note to end on and everybody. Just as a reminder here we are
trying to get the fingers out of the way. The pattern by Kevin Jeffers.
This is a fascinating read. Thank you so much for being with us
today. I've thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you. There are so many insights
that come up during this interview. Just be clear these are my viewpoints.
But that's why you watch the Afterlife files to gain perspective by using more than
one lens with which to view this rich information. Right off the bath,
he confirms for us that we are essentially beings of light, intertwine and connected
to each other through what he experiences as the grid, and that this grid
is an integral part of who we are as forever beings, both individually and
collectively. By connecting and using the grid, we can assess the state of
our own consciousness. He affirmed that we cannot be separated from this pattern However,
we can choose to engage or not engage with the grid as we desire.
Okay number two. I found it helpful to listen to his discussion about
how to use light energy for healing. I particularly at his emphasis on both
the sender and the receiver agreeing to be healed. Also, I've trained hundreds
of people on how to do soul retrieval. If that work interests you,
I would encourage you to check out this skill. It can be really rewarding.
And I also liked his comment on how amazing, indestructible and powerful we
are as spirit. I found too often that folk thinks of themselves as too
small. They accept what others say is their role and thus limit their curiosity
and capabilities. It's one of the most important beliefs that we have to throw
away. And lastly, I found his basic methodology simple and effective for meditation,
whether or not you use binaural beats, and that is, put yourself
in a meditative state. Now you can use a lazy boy reclaimer or not.
Then gear down your brain, open yourself to God, and that's when
things start to happen. I do hope the videos such as this can give
you some insight on what near death and shared death experiencers discover about the afterlife,
the nature of consci bousness, and how to live your life more fully.
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