WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:08.759 The Painting and Decorating Show with Joel Bardell and Todd Von Joel. Welcome to 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:12.880 The Painting and Decorating Show with Frog Tape on fixed Radio. I'm your host, 3 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:16.760 Joel Bardell with Top one Joel. As always, on today's show, 4 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:21.359 we're going to take a look at tall theft and van breakings. We had 5 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.960 Benjamin uffittt on exactly a year ago and he told us how having his van 6 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.480 targeted and tools nick meant he had to go to work for a firm and 7 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:31.879 close down his business. And we've invited him back on to give us an 8 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:35.320 update today on how he's getting on one year later. And we're also going 9 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.920 to talk to a decorator who's just recently been a victim of tall theft and 10 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:42.359 find out what's gone on. What's happening to TVJ You good, my friend, 11 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.079 I'm good. Thanks Joel. I've actually got a little segment i'd like 12 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.799 to air now. Yeah, that's all right for you. And it's something 13 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.000 that I think might be a little bit divisive. And when I say that, 14 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:57.200 it's nothing to panic about. Their producer here we go. What I 15 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.159 mean divisive is I think half the listeners are going to be like I'm with 16 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.319 you and the other half are going to be maybe of a different opinion. 17 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.439 But I'm going to call this little segment tvj's Day Off, in homage to 18 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.280 Feris Bruner's Day Off, the classic eighties film. Basically, this morning, 19 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.840 I woke up and I didn't go to work. And I'm going to tell 20 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.879 you I didn't go to work because I work for myself, and part of 21 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.799 working for yourself means that some days you can say I'm not going in the 22 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.799 weather's cold outside. I woke up to the beatbeat, beat, beat beep 23 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.079 of my electric key running out. Because the circumstances I live in, even 24 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:38.439 as fully employed on the radio on the sites, I still have a little 25 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.400 key which I have to top up. And when it decides my family's had 26 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.480 enough heating, for example, which wasn't even on because I didn't turn that 27 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:48.680 on yet, it just cuts me off. I then checked my bank and 28 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.519 like I said, forty one years old, I work full time, got 29 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:53.519 a career in media, and got a career on the tools by living my 30 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.519 overdraft, which of course I then get charged to borrow money which I then 31 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:01.680 spend on other people or my family. And I was absolutely exhausted. I 32 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:06.239 can't help but absorb what's going on in the world, the political climate, 33 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.439 and I'm more than too aware of the social climate. So all of those 34 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:13.879 things taken into account, I said to myself, no, I'm not going 35 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.840 in. I'm going to go back to bed. Now. This sounds quite 36 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.759 funny, but I know what's coming. The weather is just going to get 37 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.120 colder. The heating is just going to be on and it's going to be 38 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.280 expensive. The electric is going to be expensive for gas. There, I 39 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.039 say, Christmas is coming around the corner. I've got kids, I've got 40 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.639 a business I'm trying to do. I've got a career I'm trying to maintain. 41 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.560 Sometimes it's just survival and I need to be on top form so I 42 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:42.159 can support my family and lead my family through the next few months. Now, 43 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.080 if I don't rest, I know what I'm capable of, and I 44 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.840 know what the repercussions could be. And it's chaos. And it's not just 45 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:52.319 the collateral damage, which might be my family and my friends. If I 46 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:57.000 lose the plot, it's big problems. It's problems for me, it's problems 47 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.800 for society, and it's problems for anyone that gets on the wrong end of 48 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.159 me, believe. So that is why this morning, when I woke up 49 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:05.879 and things were getting too much and I could see where things were going, 50 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:07.599 I took the day off, and I took the day off to sleep, 51 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:13.280 and I took the day off to eat and binge and do nothing except recuperate. 52 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.280 So I'm ready. I'm ready for the challenges that I know are coming 53 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.759 over the next few months. And if you're listening to this and you're feeling 54 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:22.080 on the edge, if you're feeling that you really are going to lose it 55 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:23.319 and it could be the next person that cuts you up in the traffic, 56 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:25.680 then you need to listen to this and you need to stop, and maybe 57 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:29.520 you need to have a day off. Now, there will be people that 58 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.240 say, what are you talking about. I go in every day. Everyone's 59 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.439 got bills to pay, and that's fine, good for them. But we're 60 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.680 all individuals. And this is just a message for anyone else that's on the 61 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:39.800 edge and that knows what's around the corner and that needs to be on tip 62 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:45.199 top form to not be afraid to take a day off, because one morning 63 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.960 or one day off it's better for your mental health than a complete breakdown and 64 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.080 the repercussions that that could cost you and your family and your business. And 65 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:54.680 it sounds like a bit of a rant, and it sounds pretty on top. 66 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.680 But I've woken up this morning, I'm recharged, and I'm not having 67 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:02.240 it. Is I justify my day off. You ain't got to justify your 68 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:04.680 day off. I see where you're going, man, and I understand what 69 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.960 you're saying, and it is mate. So do you feel better that you've 70 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.639 had this day off? Then I do? I feel recharge show, and 71 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.079 I feel I can come in today and give a strong, articulate, opinionated 72 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.759 show because some days I'm coming in and I'm absolutely exhausted and I'm not performing 73 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.680 at the level I want to be at. Yeah, and this is an 74 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:26.120 important role for me in my life, and it's important that fix has to 75 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.079 be up there with my priorities. There's no good meat dragging myself in when 76 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.800 I'm absolutely exhausted. And if I'm able to take a day off without directly 77 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.839 hurting anyone, it's prevention is better than cure as far as I'm as far 78 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.399 as I'm concerned, our fair plate mate. You know, if you have 79 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.560 to take your day off, you know, to sort yourself out. Then 80 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.000 man, just do it, do you know what I mean. Unfortunately, 81 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.920 we've got a really upbeat show today about all Fixed, so that's going to 82 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.720 be great, man, But you are you okay? I'm okay, and 83 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.920 I appreciate this platform to listen and I know we've all been there. And 84 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.399 this does tie in a bit to mental health. I know we didn't cover 85 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.600 it directly on our segment last week, but we will be making up for 86 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.480 that in a way that this show does. And I think also with things 87 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.120 like tall Theft coming up on the show, this is going to be a 88 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:12.120 hard hitting show and not the usuals of comedy feast of hilarity and charm that 89 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.000 be normal and it's reality at the end of the day, so we have 90 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.720 to cover all kinds of aspects of all the conversations and discussions associated with our 91 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.720 trades. So yeah, the highs and the lows. Man, that's right, 92 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.839 We're telling you how it is. So buckle up, get your seat 93 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.879 belt on, get yourself a cup of tea, turn the radio up, 94 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.560 tell the carpenters to turn the drill off, and get ready for the Good 95 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.959 and TVJ Show Fix Radio time to crack on. This is the Painting and 96 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.680 Decorating Show. I'm Joel Barda with tovon Joel and join us now for a 97 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.199 catch up is decorator Benjamin Ruffitt and Ben joined us this time last year to 98 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:49.600 discuss his experience with van breakings and tall theft after having his van targeted. 99 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.160 Ben, thanks for joining us again, mate. Now you told us that 100 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.360 this meant you would have to end your self employment and go and work for 101 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.720 a firm. So what's that like? I actually found it a lot more 102 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:11.279 chaotic than I had in my own head. I started with a company in 103 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.839 Cambridge here as a CIS paint and decorator. I thought it'd be a little 104 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:23.480 bit more laid back and a bit more stress free for me. In the 105 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:26.720 eydsight, it really wasn't at all. So I kind of thought, maybe 106 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.160 it's the paint and decorating side of it that's doing it for me. I 107 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.800 need to break it up. I went and joined a company as a multi 108 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.959 trader. Ridiculous travel in that and what people expect you to do, like 109 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:42.399 big businesses expect humans to do. I think it's quite quite a mick take 110 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.279 at times. So in the end I just I realized, look, I'm 111 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.839 getting a decent salary from this, but I'm not seeing my family now, 112 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.519 you know. Yeah, I'm rebuilding my tools, I've rebuilt everything else, 113 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.480 but I'm losing family time. Right. So for me, I sat down 114 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:03.079 with my wife. We have a discussion and we decided that I'd find another 115 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:08.920 job more painting, decorating base whilst that was. Whilst I was doing that, 116 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.800 I'd rebuild my business. So I rebuilt the business that night, put 117 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.519 a couple of that out, did a twenty five percent off for the August 118 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:23.399 month, just to try and get people interested and clicking on the social media 119 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:26.399 pages. And next thing, before I knew it, I was booked up 120 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.120 to November. Oh fair play mate. Well well done though, man, 121 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.839 because it sounds like you you've had a bit of a taste of the other 122 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.199 side of things. Go and work for firms. It didn't work out for 123 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.519 you, and then he sort of started up again, So bravo mate, 124 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.199 it sounds it sounds really good now. So so you set up on your 125 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.279 own again. And yeah, so obviously the decision was because of you know, 126 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.639 working for firms and stuff like that. So now you've set up on 127 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.160 you is it. You feel much better now, do you? You're happy 128 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:55.399 with setting up on your own doing it back on the tools again, like 129 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.360 with your own business, I'm the happiest that I've ever been. Like my 130 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.439 I have noticed this time round. I don't know what I've changed, but 131 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.040 something's changed and I'm getting a lot more positive feedback and a lot more positive 132 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.319 reviews from people. I must admit, I have changed my paint supplier, 133 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:18.079 which has helped me massively. No end right and where I get my paint 134 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.839 from now and my supplies from now is a one service. I can't the 135 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:26.160 guys over there that do it all for me and the paint finish that I 136 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.319 get. With the quality of these products, I'm finding it's actually a little 137 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:33.679 bit cheaper than the high end big chain companies. Do you know what? 138 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.159 Sometimes you've got those little side things, those little bits that you can kind 139 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.000 of take for granted, all those little small things like that. Just even 140 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.879 getting a better paint supplier, even better products, you can just transform your 141 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.559 business as well and just make everything it just make it more positive and the 142 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.679 easier the experience as well. But going back onto the to the because you 143 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.200 was obviously it was a couple of times you was a victim at all theft, 144 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.440 So how long has it taken you to sort of recover mentally and financially 145 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.840 from having your tools and your van targeted? Mentally, I don't think you'll 146 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.320 ever recover from it, if I'm honest, especially especially a second time. 147 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:13.679 For a time you don't recover from it mentally financially, I think it does 148 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:18.120 take a good couple of years. It's taken me three years to get thing 149 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.279 back as well I wanted to be. And that's my dust, from my 150 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:28.159 Dosler sanders to the old tools that you'd have that you forget about and you're 151 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.480 like, where's that gone? Then you realize it's gone, so you've got 152 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.360 to try and find someone that surprised it. So even go and working for 153 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.519 a firm is obviously give you a bit of a step up to be able 154 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.440 to just reaccumulate all the tools that we're missing as well. Yeah, yeah, 155 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.000 Fortunately, I must admit when I went as a multi trader firm in 156 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.799 the middle, they were quite good to me. I explained to what had 157 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.279 happened with my tools, and they tell her. I said to me, 158 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.879 look, give us a list of what you want we'll go and get it 159 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.840 and then we'll sit down or we'll work out a payment plan for you to 160 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:00.200 repay it back over a certain months. Right, Okay, nice, that's 161 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:05.120 brilliant. And just for the listeners, that's multi trader, not mortgage trader, 162 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.399 because the beginning of the interview, I thought you'd done a jump into 163 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.279 the city, got your white shirt and tie on and become a mortgage trader. 164 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:13.879 And then I realized, of course it was a multi trader. So 165 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:20.639 yeah, a shirt and a toilet flipped me mate. So so, Ben, 166 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:24.480 how you keeping your tools safe? Now? What concerns do you have 167 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:30.720 about being targeted again? So I've actually got rid of the van. I've 168 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.799 decided not to go van based. I've actually got a Sophia. Okay, 169 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.840 we kind of covered it recently, Todd. We were talking about like if 170 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:39.639 you could use a car instead of a van. So do you keep tools 171 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.120 in that bend or like cover the marp black windows or that's what I do? 172 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.759 Is what I've done is I brought myself a big Milwaukee pack out tool 173 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.279 box, brought a couple of extra boxes to go onto it, and I 174 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.200 just have a big stack trolley stack, which I pulled around with me and 175 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:01.879 then all I've got then is right in the in there because so it takes 176 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.240 me five ten minutes to unload the car of the nighttime into my house, 177 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.559 which I feels a bit more safer for me. Yeah, peace of mind 178 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.279 as well, five minutes a nighttime of peace of mind. Otherwise you think 179 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.240 every every noise you hear, I think someone's trying to get in. There's 180 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.919 a fear exactly, man. Yeah, and that's it. I think it's 181 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.840 a sensible solution you've taken there, mate, because obviously you've been a victim 182 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:24.600 of it, You've you've found an answered really. I mean, obviously we'd 183 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:26.759 want to see an end to toll theft at the end of the day, 184 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.240 but sometimes you just got to take matters with your own hands, and sounds 185 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.440 like that's what you've done. But Ben, we just want to say massive 186 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.240 thank you for coming on the show again, mate, We really appreciate it, 187 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.039 and all the best with your with your business looking ahead, all right, 188 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.720 mate, Yeah, nice one, Thanks guys having me back and thankful 189 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.639 against blinding cheers mate. Okay, we're going to talk to a decorator next 190 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.919 who has just recently been a victim of toll theft and we find out what 191 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:56.240 went on a painting and decorating show on fixed Radio. I'm Joel Barda with 192 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.519 top on. Joel on the Painting and Decorating Show with Frog Tape. On 193 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.919 today's we're looking at how van and tool theft is affecting our trade. And 194 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.639 joining us to discuss his recent experience is Nathan Carter from Nice Decor in Lancashire. 195 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.799 Nathan, thanks for joining us, mate. I wish he's in better 196 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.879 circumstances. But Nathan, can you can you set the scene? Can you 197 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.279 tell us what happened to you and how it all unfolded. Basically, I 198 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.639 was I've just got backage to go to the gym, to be honest, 199 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.159 I've only been back about three or four months. Saturday afternoon, really sunny, 200 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.200 about one o'clock in the afternoon, really busy car park as well. 201 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.480 Funnily enough, I just went to the gym when inside to two hours come 202 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.559 out smash class on the floor and I was thinking, part me, Von, 203 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.200 you know you don't really think you don't really thinking? I was going 204 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.639 to took it, especially broad daylight. So I walked around the car park 205 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.600 a couple of times, and I thought, no, I definitely partner, 206 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.960 and then I saw the smash class and I was like, yeah, I've 207 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:58.639 I've been done on now. So I instantly rings the police. They tell 208 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.840 me this isn't an emergency to ring one O one. So I ran one 209 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.679 O one. It talked about ten minutes to get through the automated press one 210 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.399 to all this sort of malarkey. By the time I got through to them, 211 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.120 I told them the situation. Ivan has just been stolen. And I 212 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.320 only did really was turned on and say right, no problem, watching registration. 213 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.600 So I give him the registration and he said, right, no worries, 214 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:24.840 We'll be in touch. I says, well, if you don't mind 215 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.759 mess, you came now, not work on Monday morning. And he says, 216 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.200 well, if if it flags up on a camera anywhere, we'll send 217 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.600 some officers to the location. And so I says, oh, due respect. 218 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.720 I says, even I can tell you, you know, do you 219 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.799 go have changed the place by now? It just is what it is. 220 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.200 You know. We'll send you a crime number and just take it from there. 221 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.759 So I said, right, okay, So what do I do now 222 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.720 is in today to just wait? And he said, yeah, just just 223 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:56.200 waiting. We'll be in touch anyway. Monday morning, about seven o'clock, 224 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.759 I've got a text message, not even a phone call, just to say. 225 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.279 It was very blunt as well. It said police investigation ended, no 226 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:09.039 CCTV, no witnesses, and that's about it really. Since then, we're 227 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.919 just about getting a vanack the next week, we hope. How long ago 228 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.440 did this happen, Nathan? This was about three weeks ago now, and 229 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.600 you've have you heard nothing since then? Nothing at all? No, no, 230 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.799 no, they said to me on the phone. They said, sometimes 231 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.679 it will turn up for six months. Sometimes you'll find it on the side 232 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.919 of the road somewhere. You know. I'm actually on finance of that van. 233 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.879 So I had about thirteen thirteen I think thirteen to fifteen grand. I've 234 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.240 still got left to pay off. Yeah what what back to you? Yeah? 235 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.120 Tools as well inside the van. Yeah, so I have some tools 236 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.559 on site, but I lost. I ended up losing two sprayers, a 237 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.440 fairly cheap one anding about three injured and fifty quid, and obviously my best 238 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.759 prayer as well. So, I mean, and it wasn't just really the 239 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.720 main tools I kept too. Sanders essentially out of all the kit that I 240 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:00.320 had, I lost all my stackers, I lost all of my the main 241 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.720 thing as well, we're not probably not the main thing, but a big 242 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.960 thing as well as it's really not easy to get all them tools back together 243 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.919 because I've been doing it thirteen years. Yeah, and you know, like 244 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.240 you sort of get a job where there's only one too look at, sort 245 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.240 of that job out. Yeah. Yeah, and you know you pick tools 246 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:16.720 up when you're working down south or you know, just a little bits and 247 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.799 bobs to accumulate over thirteen years and it wedds up as well. Yeah, 248 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.279 exactly that. Yeah, so it's you know, you can imagine the situation. 249 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.200 You're sort of just left in the dark, you know. Yeah, 250 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.919 no tugles go down. Is there anything like insurance so you covered with that 251 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.799 for tools or anything like that? Yeah, So when Short's helping us out, 252 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.320 we're still discussing it at the moment. Tools is a difficulty because people 253 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.000 seem to think painters only have bushes and rollers. But as you guys will 254 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.440 know, nowadays, you've got you know, does for standing systems, page 255 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.799 Breyers and all of this loot. But unfortunately we've got a band cutting towards 256 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.120 the back end of next week. So I'm just to recap. So not 257 00:15:54.240 --> 00:16:00.480 only have you had the inconvenience and sort of terrible thing, and where you've 258 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.519 got your new van necks which you've still got to pay finance on, You've 259 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.759 then lost a load of tools, some power tools and some hand tools that 260 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:10.279 you've got to accumulate again. You've then got to go through the rigmarole of 261 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:14.759 the insurance process and all the time and effort of money that costs. And 262 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.240 then you've not only that, you've then got to build up a collection of 263 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.320 tools again, get a new van, catch up on the work that you're 264 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:26.960 now behind on, and also postpone potential other future work. And all of 265 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:32.039 that has stemmed from x amount of individuals who go around nicking vans And the 266 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.840 only reason you've got a nice new van is because you've had to upgrade it 267 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:40.200 because of the regulations that are coming in. I mean, it's such an 268 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:44.919 uncomfortable thing just even just reciting that, and we really do feel Sophe and 269 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.240 we're really passionate about this, but that is horrendous. The ripple effect of 270 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.960 this act people are you've got your van necks, yeah, but it's not 271 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.799 about the van. It's about all the other things at the end of the 272 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.720 day. Yeah, and you're going to be out of pocket now, and 273 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.039 that the money that the money, like when it all adds up, whatever 274 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.119 it works out to, when it's all finally sorted out, that could have 275 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:07.279 been money that was going to pay for your family's Christmas. You know what 276 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.880 I mean. People just don't realize that the effect. Okay, we're going 277 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.759 to just take a polls and we're going to talk about how you got back 278 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.039 on your feet. Next Fixed Radio, you're listening to the Painting and Decorating 279 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.880 Show and we're talking to decorator Nathan Carter about having his vans stolen with a 280 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.799 lot of his tools and materials inside. So, Nathan, what happened to 281 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.640 all the work you'd booked in for the days following the van being stolen. 282 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:36.119 Well, in honesty, we were in the middle of a project at the 283 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.880 time which ended up having a bit of a ripple effect in our claim at 284 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.440 a time. Well, I mean we got that job done, so the 285 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:49.319 old man had had retired previously. A bit of a backstory from our business. 286 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.839 I've been doing it thirteen years and it all started to be dad and 287 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.079 I absolutely fell in love with the trade, really really enjoyed the satisfaction. 288 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.960 I ended up probably put me downe out of retirement so we could drive me 289 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.400 there and everywhere to get me to work. So for about a week or 290 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:06.359 so he was helping me do that so we could complete the court project we 291 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.920 was on at the time, did a few stands here and there, and 292 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.960 then once that was clear, any any work that we had booked in from 293 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.480 there we had to postpone. We have about currently we have about thirty clients 294 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.119 who were waiting for a day waiting for us to be able to jump on. 295 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.680 We have been working, probably we've not been in full motion ever since 296 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.799 the band's gone, but we've been working a bit here and there. And 297 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.000 as I say, we're working out in the back of a car at the 298 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.720 moment, so we can ferry sort of one or two bits and bobs to 299 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:36.240 there. And that's about it. But it's sort of a guilt thing for 300 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.680 me as well, because you know, my dad's retired and I worked either 301 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.839 and everywhere. I'll go up to Bolt and you know, I'll travel over 302 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.640 an hour to Quote and obviously my dad's you know, his pension and hour, 303 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.920 so I won't I won't physically ask him to take me to work him 304 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.440 back. He's even getting up and down the ladders and he's just had two 305 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.880 new knees blessed him. Excuse me, So after he's done all of that, 306 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:57.680 there's no way I'm going to go home and then send the old man 307 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:02.400 out to a quote an hour away squock at night. So any any work 308 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:03.480 or any clients that are trying to get in touch at the moment, we 309 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.720 have to apologize. We can't. We can't come anywhere at the moment. 310 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.559 But as I said, you know, things are in order and we're working 311 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:14.519 at it. Your dad sounds like an absolute dimond. He sounds like a 312 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:15.359 real top gage is, don't he? I was going to say that I've 313 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.640 just gott I've got it written down as you're speaking. I've done a little 314 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.599 Nathan's dad and then done a Troy for your dad. Sounds like a top. 315 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:27.400 Then we need more dads like him. If it wasn't if it wasn't 316 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.359 for him, and obviously the Instagram community had to put the brushes down, 317 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:33.880 I had have been done with it. You have a word. I'm actually 318 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.759 in the lookout for a dad. I ain't got a dad. He sounds 319 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:41.440 like quite a good one. Just he's I've always up. You can go 320 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:48.519 and help Nathan out and dropping off to his job today his brotherhood. And 321 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.240 I'll give you credit that, Nathan, because you've got really upbeat kind of 322 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.279 just talking to you sort of you know what I mean, like get I'm 323 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:57.960 getting a real positive energy from you, like having a chat with your mate. 324 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.880 So I think fair, yeah, thank you for that, which you 325 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:04.720 know it has. My dad keeps saying to me, I mean I won't 326 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.920 lie. First few weeks I was, I was, like I said, 327 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.759 ready for putting the bushes down. I was thinking, what's the point, 328 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.759 you know, because we're not just as lost all of our tools. But 329 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.599 for me, in the last two to three years, when I took the 330 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.640 business over myself, I really started pushing it an entire standard work. You 331 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.000 know, really, as I used to say to me, Dad, shoot 332 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.519 for the moon if you miss your land a monst the stars. Now I've 333 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.440 completely lost that. Now it's really just a case of get your head out 334 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.000 of the sound. It's not going to do anything for you. You know, 335 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.200 you just got to crack on take it day by day. Well, 336 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:37.680 you know what, Nathan, you were doing everything right. You've got a 337 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.119 job, you're paying your taxes, you've got your van, the correct eco 338 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:44.880 whatever it is. You're doing all the things right. And when something goes 339 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.279 wrong, what's there to protect you. The police, unfortunately weren't able to 340 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.799 provide adequate assistance. The insurance debatable as sure it's anything you're paying for. 341 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.680 You're doing everything you're supposed to be doing, and some of the things that 342 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.200 I've gone on this repercassions for this are reflexive of wider issues, and that's 343 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.200 why as trades people we need to be better recognized and supported because it seems 344 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:08.680 that there's not the adequate measures in place by local councils, by government, 345 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:12.759 etc. To cover people like yourself in these in these terrible situations. But 346 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.200 you're doing anything right, mate, and you should be proud of yourself for 347 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.359 doing that. That's why we appreciate Nathan coming on to tell this story, 348 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.480 to kind of get this out there, to let our listeners know, because 349 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.279 I think there's going to be a perception from people that in broad daylight in 350 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.960 these places, you van safe, and we've got to let people know you've 351 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:33.680 got to be on guard all the time. It's really sad, but that's 352 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.000 the case. But so, Nathan, how has the trade and community online 353 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.359 supported you since this has happened? Well, this is what actually, as 354 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.039 I said before, who wasn't for the Instagram community, I'm old, ma'am 355 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.000 and I throw in the brushes now. The Instagram community, as you guys 356 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:52.160 probably know already, especially within the Pain family that we've got, it's just 357 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.119 absolutely incredible erstally we had, I mean even just the amount of people that 358 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.640 we have messages seeing if you need anything, please let me know. I've 359 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.279 got even a couple of hand tools here for you. And I've had people 360 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.480 give us a couple of hand tools all the way up to some people who've 361 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:08.279 been sending us up saying right, what kIPS your lost? Right, I've 362 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.880 got a couple of spare ones and then we'll send them you over. And 363 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.920 we've had boxes and boxes and stuff sent through the sent through the post. 364 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.319 I had one guy called Rich from Wales and he sent me a message and 365 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:22.599 he said, Nathan, what's your address Bood And he says really over says 366 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.119 all in Leyland And he said, right, I've sent a load of tools 367 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.480 to your local through fix COI come up and he's spent. He must have 368 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:32.559 spent one or two hundred pound even if it was a fiver. You know, 369 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:34.079 it brings your tear to your eyes, right that people care. You 370 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.680 know you've never met these people face to face. Wow, you know you 371 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.000 speak for years over the phone, over the internet and whatnot. And yeah, 372 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.319 it really made me just think. You know, people are watching, 373 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.480 you know, people care. Yeah, it's really nice. It brought us 374 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.519 back. That's brilliant. Nathan. Well, thanks again for sharing your story. 375 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.200 We really appreciate it. And we'll have to get you back on as 376 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.599 well so we can have a more positive chat. Let's let's put it that 377 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.519 way. To catch up again, all right, mate, and all the 378 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:04.599 best as well. Mate. I hope this all works out. Okay, 379 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:10.680 Right, you're listening to Fixed Radio the Build a Station Painting and Decorating show 380 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.519 on Fixed Radio. That's it for today's Painting and Decorating show with frog Tape, 381 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.079 where we've talked to two decorators at different ends of their tool and van 382 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:25.640 theft experiences. We really appreciate Ben and Nathan coming on there sharing their stories 383 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:27.640 and it's just Maye. I can hear it in your voice, Todd. 384 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:33.200 I was just so frustrating this whole thing. And and it's one of these 385 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:36.559 you probably when you listen to Fixed Roadio you hear this conversation come up a 386 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:40.400 lot, because it has to come up a lot, because it's just absolutely 387 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.720 disgusting that this continues to happen. And if you listen to the Nathan story, 388 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.640 there where's their help? Where is why you think there's bad guys? 389 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.319 And then you've got people that's supposed to stop these and and we're in the 390 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.880 same thing. We're having the same conversation over and over again. But do 391 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.319 you know what as well? I mean, there's a there's an instant gram, 392 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.920 there's a profile on Instagram that they're stolen tools. It's worth checking it 393 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:07.920 out. It's horrendous. And the thing is as well. I saw one 394 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.839 recently and it was a wherever the van, whatever the brand of the van 395 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:18.519 was, and these guys were in and out within seconds seconds, one drill 396 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.920 and bang open the lock, tools gone within minutes. Now you've got there's 397 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.880 a couple of things here, right. The main thing is the tool. 398 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:32.759 The thieves themselves, they're you know, they're obviously pure scumbags, and obviously 399 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:34.599 they're the ones responsible for the whole thing. So yeah, that's that's that. 400 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.359 But the vans, I mean, what are they made out of? 401 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.440 Man, you're not made out of like flipping, Like, how can you 402 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:47.200 break into a van? The security of these things that the cost of these 403 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.359 vehicles are so expensive and you can break into it within seconds. It's disgusting. 404 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.799 And where is the help? Where is the help? Why is giving 405 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.400 someone a crime number and then going case closed? You're like, come on, 406 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.799 man, you no, it's just it's just ridiculous. Well, this 407 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.759 is it. When you go into work and you become an adult and you 408 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.119 pay your taxes, you enter into a social pact. And this is the 409 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.880 social pact. I'm going to pay the government taxes and they're going to protect 410 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:17.279 me and my business with organizations like the police force, like the ambulance, 411 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.400 like the NHS, like the firefighters. However, so, how do you 412 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.640 feel when you've been working and paying taxes all your life for the police and 413 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.839 they are unable to help you. It makes you feel what's the point Because 414 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.640 you're doing all you're supposed to do, You're fulfilling your end of the deal, 415 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.599 the social packs. You're paying the taxes and you're teering to the laws 416 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.279 of the land, and the people that aren't doing those things are getting away 417 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.640 without any any repercussions at all. And it's very, very frustrating, And 418 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:47.000 there's no deterrent because if there's if you're even if the ones that do get 419 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.720 nicked, it's a slapping the wrist, then they're out again. You see 420 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.920 these market stall things, you know, these boots, that's unbelievable, tools 421 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:57.559 laid out. I am seeing though, I am actually seeing like evidence of 422 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:02.519 police actually catching somebody people and then do it. But it's just too much. 423 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.200 He's just got too out of control. But even I don't know it's 424 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.359 organized crime. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. But I mean, I 425 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.920 don't want to use the word. Interestingly, but interestingly, I've got a 426 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.799 friend of mine who is in the police force, and one of his colleagues 427 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.200 who's in the police has a side job as a trade tradesman, and he 428 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:22.559 had his van broken in the three and a half grands tools like nicks, 429 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.759 and I sit in went, oh, is he going to get any special 430 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.240 treatment? And he's going to like investigate and of course not so even him, 431 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:32.319 like this bloke was a copper, happened to him. He's feeling exactly 432 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:33.759 the same as well, is feeling the bunt of it with no help. 433 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.559 So it's just it's just manners. So if we say to ourselves, why 434 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.400 are the police unable to help because they're underfunded understaffed, and then asked the 435 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.240 question why are they underfunded and understaffed? Who's in control of that? Now? 436 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.640 I've got to be careful what I say here, But this is why 437 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.079 it's really important that everyone does pay attention to the political climate and use your 438 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.240 vote where it counts, because, believe it or not, even just voting 439 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.240 it does have an impact on things like tool theft in theory, and I 440 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.319 suppose that's one thing we can do and another thing as well, when you 441 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.039 go into that social pact with let's say one of the leading van manufacturers, 442 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:11.640 you would hope that they are able to provide adequate security where you can't just 443 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.559 come along with an angle grinder or whatever it is, like a punch and 444 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.599 a hammer and open the vehicle and drive it off. It's twenty twenty three. 445 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.480 They can send people to the moon. I'm sure they can make a 446 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.119 vehicle they can't be broken into have in ten seconds. And I'll tell you 447 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.000 one thing as well. I've seen those videos on that Instagram site, and 448 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:30.400 I tell you what the tool thieves look like. They look like us. 449 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.039 They go around in high viz with masks on so that no one questions them 450 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.720 in out of a van. That's when they don't go around wearing black and 451 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.960 white stripe he tops with a mask over their face like the hamburglar. They 452 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.400 look like trades people. But you know what, they're so brazen now they 453 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:47.160 don't even care. They don't care because they do it in broad daylight, 454 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.480 and they'll do it when they's CCTV because obviously nothing's happening to them, do 455 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.920 you know what I mean? And they're making use of the COVID masters. 456 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.359 Yeah, but this is the thing, So look, listen up guys, 457 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.720 the end of the day. I mean, if it happens, it's one 458 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.599 of these things you might think it might not happen to you, fingers crossed. 459 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.720 It never does happen to you. But just really be on your guard. 460 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.920 You know, it's it's not just if there's still your tools, it's 461 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.680 awful, but it's the damage they can do to your vehicle trying to get 462 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.400 in there as well. So you've got to just try and take every precaution 463 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.359 you can. Now, don't kind of you kind of think yourself, Oh, 464 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.759 I'm parts in this place his broad daylight. You really have to be 465 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:22.839 on your guard. I'm gonna be completely honest. I don't use my van 466 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.519 like for a weekend. I was going to go to one of the sort 467 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.200 of local shopping centers. And do you know what I saw on this that 468 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.559 stolen tools page that it was like one of these big shopping centers and this 469 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.799 van got broken into and emptied, and I thought, and again, it's 470 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.799 just that little I needy to see that because I thought, oh, do 471 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.519 you know what, I'm not going to bother. I'm not going to take 472 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.680 the risk. It is literally for work. And when I'm at work, 473 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.039 I make a big thing. I'm either parked in their driveway or I'm parked 474 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.319 outside. If they say there's parking around the corner, I'm not interested in 475 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.440 the job. I have to be able at the end of the day. 476 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.720 Look, I know it said they can work quick and it can still happen, 477 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.200 but I'm just trying to take every precaution, I can. So that's 478 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.680 that's what we've got to do at the end of the day, right, 479 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.680 Okay. You can hear this show again from Tempium with more great music. 480 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.160 You can also download it wherever you get your podcasts online and hear exclusive bits 481 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:12.039 not aired and the radio usually a few naughty bits. 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