The Painting and Decorating Show with Joel Bardell and Todd Von Joel. Welcome to
The Painting and Decorating Show with Frog Tape on fixed Radio. I'm your host,
Joel Bardell with Top one Joel. As always, on today's show,
we're going to take a look at tall theft and van breakings. We had
Benjamin uffittt on exactly a year ago and he told us how having his van
targeted and tools nick meant he had to go to work for a firm and
close down his business. And we've invited him back on to give us an
update today on how he's getting on one year later. And we're also going
to talk to a decorator who's just recently been a victim of tall theft and
find out what's gone on. What's happening to TVJ You good, my friend,
I'm good. Thanks Joel. I've actually got a little segment i'd like
to air now. Yeah, that's all right for you. And it's something
that I think might be a little bit divisive. And when I say that,
it's nothing to panic about. Their producer here we go. What I
mean divisive is I think half the listeners are going to be like I'm with
you and the other half are going to be maybe of a different opinion.
But I'm going to call this little segment tvj's Day Off, in homage to
Feris Bruner's Day Off, the classic eighties film. Basically, this morning,
I woke up and I didn't go to work. And I'm going to tell
you I didn't go to work because I work for myself, and part of
working for yourself means that some days you can say I'm not going in the
weather's cold outside. I woke up to the beatbeat, beat, beat beep
of my electric key running out. Because the circumstances I live in, even
as fully employed on the radio on the sites, I still have a little
key which I have to top up. And when it decides my family's had
enough heating, for example, which wasn't even on because I didn't turn that
on yet, it just cuts me off. I then checked my bank and
like I said, forty one years old, I work full time, got
a career in media, and got a career on the tools by living my
overdraft, which of course I then get charged to borrow money which I then
spend on other people or my family. And I was absolutely exhausted. I
can't help but absorb what's going on in the world, the political climate,
and I'm more than too aware of the social climate. So all of those
things taken into account, I said to myself, no, I'm not going
in. I'm going to go back to bed. Now. This sounds quite
funny, but I know what's coming. The weather is just going to get
colder. The heating is just going to be on and it's going to be
expensive. The electric is going to be expensive for gas. There, I
say, Christmas is coming around the corner. I've got kids, I've got
a business I'm trying to do. I've got a career I'm trying to maintain.
Sometimes it's just survival and I need to be on top form so I
can support my family and lead my family through the next few months. Now,
if I don't rest, I know what I'm capable of, and I
know what the repercussions could be. And it's chaos. And it's not just
the collateral damage, which might be my family and my friends. If I
lose the plot, it's big problems. It's problems for me, it's problems
for society, and it's problems for anyone that gets on the wrong end of
me, believe. So that is why this morning, when I woke up
and things were getting too much and I could see where things were going,
I took the day off, and I took the day off to sleep,
and I took the day off to eat and binge and do nothing except recuperate.
So I'm ready. I'm ready for the challenges that I know are coming
over the next few months. And if you're listening to this and you're feeling
on the edge, if you're feeling that you really are going to lose it
and it could be the next person that cuts you up in the traffic,
then you need to listen to this and you need to stop, and maybe
you need to have a day off. Now, there will be people that
say, what are you talking about. I go in every day. Everyone's
got bills to pay, and that's fine, good for them. But we're
all individuals. And this is just a message for anyone else that's on the
edge and that knows what's around the corner and that needs to be on tip
top form to not be afraid to take a day off, because one morning
or one day off it's better for your mental health than a complete breakdown and
the repercussions that that could cost you and your family and your business. And
it sounds like a bit of a rant, and it sounds pretty on top.
But I've woken up this morning, I'm recharged, and I'm not having
it. Is I justify my day off. You ain't got to justify your
day off. I see where you're going, man, and I understand what
you're saying, and it is mate. So do you feel better that you've
had this day off? Then I do? I feel recharge show, and
I feel I can come in today and give a strong, articulate, opinionated
show because some days I'm coming in and I'm absolutely exhausted and I'm not performing
at the level I want to be at. Yeah, and this is an
important role for me in my life, and it's important that fix has to
be up there with my priorities. There's no good meat dragging myself in when
I'm absolutely exhausted. And if I'm able to take a day off without directly
hurting anyone, it's prevention is better than cure as far as I'm as far
as I'm concerned, our fair plate mate. You know, if you have
to take your day off, you know, to sort yourself out. Then
man, just do it, do you know what I mean. Unfortunately,
we've got a really upbeat show today about all Fixed, so that's going to
be great, man, But you are you okay? I'm okay, and
I appreciate this platform to listen and I know we've all been there. And
this does tie in a bit to mental health. I know we didn't cover
it directly on our segment last week, but we will be making up for
that in a way that this show does. And I think also with things
like tall Theft coming up on the show, this is going to be a
hard hitting show and not the usuals of comedy feast of hilarity and charm that
be normal and it's reality at the end of the day, so we have
to cover all kinds of aspects of all the conversations and discussions associated with our
trades. So yeah, the highs and the lows. Man, that's right,
We're telling you how it is. So buckle up, get your seat
belt on, get yourself a cup of tea, turn the radio up,
tell the carpenters to turn the drill off, and get ready for the Good
and TVJ Show Fix Radio time to crack on. This is the Painting and
Decorating Show. I'm Joel Barda with tovon Joel and join us now for a
catch up is decorator Benjamin Ruffitt and Ben joined us this time last year to
discuss his experience with van breakings and tall theft after having his van targeted.
Ben, thanks for joining us again, mate. Now you told us that
this meant you would have to end your self employment and go and work for
a firm. So what's that like? I actually found it a lot more
chaotic than I had in my own head. I started with a company in
Cambridge here as a CIS paint and decorator. I thought it'd be a little
bit more laid back and a bit more stress free for me. In the
eydsight, it really wasn't at all. So I kind of thought, maybe
it's the paint and decorating side of it that's doing it for me. I
need to break it up. I went and joined a company as a multi
trader. Ridiculous travel in that and what people expect you to do, like
big businesses expect humans to do. I think it's quite quite a mick take
at times. So in the end I just I realized, look, I'm
getting a decent salary from this, but I'm not seeing my family now,
you know. Yeah, I'm rebuilding my tools, I've rebuilt everything else,
but I'm losing family time. Right. So for me, I sat down
with my wife. We have a discussion and we decided that I'd find another
job more painting, decorating base whilst that was. Whilst I was doing that,
I'd rebuild my business. So I rebuilt the business that night, put
a couple of that out, did a twenty five percent off for the August
month, just to try and get people interested and clicking on the social media
pages. And next thing, before I knew it, I was booked up
to November. Oh fair play mate. Well well done though, man,
because it sounds like you you've had a bit of a taste of the other
side of things. Go and work for firms. It didn't work out for
you, and then he sort of started up again, So bravo mate,
it sounds it sounds really good now. So so you set up on your
own again. And yeah, so obviously the decision was because of you know,
working for firms and stuff like that. So now you've set up on
you is it. You feel much better now, do you? You're happy
with setting up on your own doing it back on the tools again, like
with your own business, I'm the happiest that I've ever been. Like my
I have noticed this time round. I don't know what I've changed, but
something's changed and I'm getting a lot more positive feedback and a lot more positive
reviews from people. I must admit, I have changed my paint supplier,
which has helped me massively. No end right and where I get my paint
from now and my supplies from now is a one service. I can't the
guys over there that do it all for me and the paint finish that I
get. With the quality of these products, I'm finding it's actually a little
bit cheaper than the high end big chain companies. Do you know what?
Sometimes you've got those little side things, those little bits that you can kind
of take for granted, all those little small things like that. Just even
getting a better paint supplier, even better products, you can just transform your
business as well and just make everything it just make it more positive and the
easier the experience as well. But going back onto the to the because you
was obviously it was a couple of times you was a victim at all theft,
So how long has it taken you to sort of recover mentally and financially
from having your tools and your van targeted? Mentally, I don't think you'll
ever recover from it, if I'm honest, especially especially a second time.
For a time you don't recover from it mentally financially, I think it does
take a good couple of years. It's taken me three years to get thing
back as well I wanted to be. And that's my dust, from my
Dosler sanders to the old tools that you'd have that you forget about and you're
like, where's that gone? Then you realize it's gone, so you've got
to try and find someone that surprised it. So even go and working for
a firm is obviously give you a bit of a step up to be able
to just reaccumulate all the tools that we're missing as well. Yeah, yeah,
Fortunately, I must admit when I went as a multi trader firm in
the middle, they were quite good to me. I explained to what had
happened with my tools, and they tell her. I said to me,
look, give us a list of what you want we'll go and get it
and then we'll sit down or we'll work out a payment plan for you to
repay it back over a certain months. Right, Okay, nice, that's
brilliant. And just for the listeners, that's multi trader, not mortgage trader,
because the beginning of the interview, I thought you'd done a jump into
the city, got your white shirt and tie on and become a mortgage trader.
And then I realized, of course it was a multi trader. So
yeah, a shirt and a toilet flipped me mate. So so, Ben,
how you keeping your tools safe? Now? What concerns do you have
about being targeted again? So I've actually got rid of the van. I've
decided not to go van based. I've actually got a Sophia. Okay,
we kind of covered it recently, Todd. We were talking about like if
you could use a car instead of a van. So do you keep tools
in that bend or like cover the marp black windows or that's what I do?
Is what I've done is I brought myself a big Milwaukee pack out tool
box, brought a couple of extra boxes to go onto it, and I
just have a big stack trolley stack, which I pulled around with me and
then all I've got then is right in the in there because so it takes
me five ten minutes to unload the car of the nighttime into my house,
which I feels a bit more safer for me. Yeah, peace of mind
as well, five minutes a nighttime of peace of mind. Otherwise you think
every every noise you hear, I think someone's trying to get in. There's
a fear exactly, man. Yeah, and that's it. I think it's
a sensible solution you've taken there, mate, because obviously you've been a victim
of it, You've you've found an answered really. I mean, obviously we'd
want to see an end to toll theft at the end of the day,
but sometimes you just got to take matters with your own hands, and sounds
like that's what you've done. But Ben, we just want to say massive
thank you for coming on the show again, mate, We really appreciate it,
and all the best with your with your business looking ahead, all right,
mate, Yeah, nice one, Thanks guys having me back and thankful
against blinding cheers mate. Okay, we're going to talk to a decorator next
who has just recently been a victim of toll theft and we find out what
went on a painting and decorating show on fixed Radio. I'm Joel Barda with
top on. Joel on the Painting and Decorating Show with Frog Tape. On
today's we're looking at how van and tool theft is affecting our trade. And
joining us to discuss his recent experience is Nathan Carter from Nice Decor in Lancashire.
Nathan, thanks for joining us, mate. I wish he's in better
circumstances. But Nathan, can you can you set the scene? Can you
tell us what happened to you and how it all unfolded. Basically, I
was I've just got backage to go to the gym, to be honest,
I've only been back about three or four months. Saturday afternoon, really sunny,
about one o'clock in the afternoon, really busy car park as well.
Funnily enough, I just went to the gym when inside to two hours come
out smash class on the floor and I was thinking, part me, Von,
you know you don't really think you don't really thinking? I was going
to took it, especially broad daylight. So I walked around the car park
a couple of times, and I thought, no, I definitely partner,
and then I saw the smash class and I was like, yeah, I've
I've been done on now. So I instantly rings the police. They tell
me this isn't an emergency to ring one O one. So I ran one
O one. It talked about ten minutes to get through the automated press one
to all this sort of malarkey. By the time I got through to them,
I told them the situation. Ivan has just been stolen. And I
only did really was turned on and say right, no problem, watching registration.
So I give him the registration and he said, right, no worries,
We'll be in touch. I says, well, if you don't mind
mess, you came now, not work on Monday morning. And he says,
well, if if it flags up on a camera anywhere, we'll send
some officers to the location. And so I says, oh, due respect.
I says, even I can tell you, you know, do you
go have changed the place by now? It just is what it is.
You know. We'll send you a crime number and just take it from there.
So I said, right, okay, So what do I do now
is in today to just wait? And he said, yeah, just just
waiting. We'll be in touch anyway. Monday morning, about seven o'clock,
I've got a text message, not even a phone call, just to say.
It was very blunt as well. It said police investigation ended, no
CCTV, no witnesses, and that's about it really. Since then, we're
just about getting a vanack the next week, we hope. How long ago
did this happen, Nathan? This was about three weeks ago now, and
you've have you heard nothing since then? Nothing at all? No, no,
no, they said to me on the phone. They said, sometimes
it will turn up for six months. Sometimes you'll find it on the side
of the road somewhere. You know. I'm actually on finance of that van.
So I had about thirteen thirteen I think thirteen to fifteen grand. I've
still got left to pay off. Yeah what what back to you? Yeah?
Tools as well inside the van. Yeah, so I have some tools
on site, but I lost. I ended up losing two sprayers, a
fairly cheap one anding about three injured and fifty quid, and obviously my best
prayer as well. So, I mean, and it wasn't just really the
main tools I kept too. Sanders essentially out of all the kit that I
had, I lost all my stackers, I lost all of my the main
thing as well, we're not probably not the main thing, but a big
thing as well as it's really not easy to get all them tools back together
because I've been doing it thirteen years. Yeah, and you know, like
you sort of get a job where there's only one too look at, sort
of that job out. Yeah. Yeah, and you know you pick tools
up when you're working down south or you know, just a little bits and
bobs to accumulate over thirteen years and it wedds up as well. Yeah,
exactly that. Yeah, so it's you know, you can imagine the situation.
You're sort of just left in the dark, you know. Yeah,
no tugles go down. Is there anything like insurance so you covered with that
for tools or anything like that? Yeah, So when Short's helping us out,
we're still discussing it at the moment. Tools is a difficulty because people
seem to think painters only have bushes and rollers. But as you guys will
know, nowadays, you've got you know, does for standing systems, page
Breyers and all of this loot. But unfortunately we've got a band cutting towards
the back end of next week. So I'm just to recap. So not
only have you had the inconvenience and sort of terrible thing, and where you've
got your new van necks which you've still got to pay finance on, You've
then lost a load of tools, some power tools and some hand tools that
you've got to accumulate again. You've then got to go through the rigmarole of
the insurance process and all the time and effort of money that costs. And
then you've not only that, you've then got to build up a collection of
tools again, get a new van, catch up on the work that you're
now behind on, and also postpone potential other future work. And all of
that has stemmed from x amount of individuals who go around nicking vans And the
only reason you've got a nice new van is because you've had to upgrade it
because of the regulations that are coming in. I mean, it's such an
uncomfortable thing just even just reciting that, and we really do feel Sophe and
we're really passionate about this, but that is horrendous. The ripple effect of
this act people are you've got your van necks, yeah, but it's not
about the van. It's about all the other things at the end of the
day. Yeah, and you're going to be out of pocket now, and
that the money that the money, like when it all adds up, whatever
it works out to, when it's all finally sorted out, that could have
been money that was going to pay for your family's Christmas. You know what
I mean. People just don't realize that the effect. Okay, we're going
to just take a polls and we're going to talk about how you got back
on your feet. Next Fixed Radio, you're listening to the Painting and Decorating
Show and we're talking to decorator Nathan Carter about having his vans stolen with a
lot of his tools and materials inside. So, Nathan, what happened to
all the work you'd booked in for the days following the van being stolen.
Well, in honesty, we were in the middle of a project at the
time which ended up having a bit of a ripple effect in our claim at
a time. Well, I mean we got that job done, so the
old man had had retired previously. A bit of a backstory from our business.
I've been doing it thirteen years and it all started to be dad and
I absolutely fell in love with the trade, really really enjoyed the satisfaction.
I ended up probably put me downe out of retirement so we could drive me
there and everywhere to get me to work. So for about a week or
so he was helping me do that so we could complete the court project we
was on at the time, did a few stands here and there, and
then once that was clear, any any work that we had booked in from
there we had to postpone. We have about currently we have about thirty clients
who were waiting for a day waiting for us to be able to jump on.
We have been working, probably we've not been in full motion ever since
the band's gone, but we've been working a bit here and there. And
as I say, we're working out in the back of a car at the
moment, so we can ferry sort of one or two bits and bobs to
there. And that's about it. But it's sort of a guilt thing for
me as well, because you know, my dad's retired and I worked either
and everywhere. I'll go up to Bolt and you know, I'll travel over
an hour to Quote and obviously my dad's you know, his pension and hour,
so I won't I won't physically ask him to take me to work him
back. He's even getting up and down the ladders and he's just had two
new knees blessed him. Excuse me, So after he's done all of that,
there's no way I'm going to go home and then send the old man
out to a quote an hour away squock at night. So any any work
or any clients that are trying to get in touch at the moment, we
have to apologize. We can't. We can't come anywhere at the moment.
But as I said, you know, things are in order and we're working
at it. Your dad sounds like an absolute dimond. He sounds like a
real top gage is, don't he? I was going to say that I've
just gott I've got it written down as you're speaking. I've done a little
Nathan's dad and then done a Troy for your dad. Sounds like a top.
Then we need more dads like him. If it wasn't if it wasn't
for him, and obviously the Instagram community had to put the brushes down,
I had have been done with it. You have a word. I'm actually
in the lookout for a dad. I ain't got a dad. He sounds
like quite a good one. Just he's I've always up. You can go
and help Nathan out and dropping off to his job today his brotherhood. And
I'll give you credit that, Nathan, because you've got really upbeat kind of
just talking to you sort of you know what I mean, like get I'm
getting a real positive energy from you, like having a chat with your mate.
So I think fair, yeah, thank you for that, which you
know it has. My dad keeps saying to me, I mean I won't
lie. First few weeks I was, I was, like I said,
ready for putting the bushes down. I was thinking, what's the point,
you know, because we're not just as lost all of our tools. But
for me, in the last two to three years, when I took the
business over myself, I really started pushing it an entire standard work. You
know, really, as I used to say to me, Dad, shoot
for the moon if you miss your land a monst the stars. Now I've
completely lost that. Now it's really just a case of get your head out
of the sound. It's not going to do anything for you. You know,
you just got to crack on take it day by day. Well,
you know what, Nathan, you were doing everything right. You've got a
job, you're paying your taxes, you've got your van, the correct eco
whatever it is. You're doing all the things right. And when something goes
wrong, what's there to protect you. The police, unfortunately weren't able to
provide adequate assistance. The insurance debatable as sure it's anything you're paying for.
You're doing everything you're supposed to be doing, and some of the things that
I've gone on this repercassions for this are reflexive of wider issues, and that's
why as trades people we need to be better recognized and supported because it seems
that there's not the adequate measures in place by local councils, by government,
etc. To cover people like yourself in these in these terrible situations. But
you're doing anything right, mate, and you should be proud of yourself for
doing that. That's why we appreciate Nathan coming on to tell this story,
to kind of get this out there, to let our listeners know, because
I think there's going to be a perception from people that in broad daylight in
these places, you van safe, and we've got to let people know you've
got to be on guard all the time. It's really sad, but that's
the case. But so, Nathan, how has the trade and community online
supported you since this has happened? Well, this is what actually, as
I said before, who wasn't for the Instagram community, I'm old, ma'am
and I throw in the brushes now. The Instagram community, as you guys
probably know already, especially within the Pain family that we've got, it's just
absolutely incredible erstally we had, I mean even just the amount of people that
we have messages seeing if you need anything, please let me know. I've
got even a couple of hand tools here for you. And I've had people
give us a couple of hand tools all the way up to some people who've
been sending us up saying right, what kIPS your lost? Right, I've
got a couple of spare ones and then we'll send them you over. And
we've had boxes and boxes and stuff sent through the sent through the post.
I had one guy called Rich from Wales and he sent me a message and
he said, Nathan, what's your address Bood And he says really over says
all in Leyland And he said, right, I've sent a load of tools
to your local through fix COI come up and he's spent. He must have
spent one or two hundred pound even if it was a fiver. You know,
it brings your tear to your eyes, right that people care. You
know you've never met these people face to face. Wow, you know you
speak for years over the phone, over the internet and whatnot. And yeah,
it really made me just think. You know, people are watching,
you know, people care. Yeah, it's really nice. It brought us
back. That's brilliant. Nathan. Well, thanks again for sharing your story.
We really appreciate it. And we'll have to get you back on as
well so we can have a more positive chat. Let's let's put it that
way. To catch up again, all right, mate, and all the
best as well. Mate. I hope this all works out. Okay,
Right, you're listening to Fixed Radio the Build a Station Painting and Decorating show
on Fixed Radio. That's it for today's Painting and Decorating show with frog Tape,
where we've talked to two decorators at different ends of their tool and van
theft experiences. We really appreciate Ben and Nathan coming on there sharing their stories
and it's just Maye. I can hear it in your voice, Todd.
I was just so frustrating this whole thing. And and it's one of these
you probably when you listen to Fixed Roadio you hear this conversation come up a
lot, because it has to come up a lot, because it's just absolutely
disgusting that this continues to happen. And if you listen to the Nathan story,
there where's their help? Where is why you think there's bad guys?
And then you've got people that's supposed to stop these and and we're in the
same thing. We're having the same conversation over and over again. But do
you know what as well? I mean, there's a there's an instant gram,
there's a profile on Instagram that they're stolen tools. It's worth checking it
out. It's horrendous. And the thing is as well. I saw one
recently and it was a wherever the van, whatever the brand of the van
was, and these guys were in and out within seconds seconds, one drill
and bang open the lock, tools gone within minutes. Now you've got there's
a couple of things here, right. The main thing is the tool.
The thieves themselves, they're you know, they're obviously pure scumbags, and obviously
they're the ones responsible for the whole thing. So yeah, that's that's that.
But the vans, I mean, what are they made out of?
Man, you're not made out of like flipping, Like, how can you
break into a van? The security of these things that the cost of these
vehicles are so expensive and you can break into it within seconds. It's disgusting.
And where is the help? Where is the help? Why is giving
someone a crime number and then going case closed? You're like, come on,
man, you no, it's just it's just ridiculous. Well, this
is it. When you go into work and you become an adult and you
pay your taxes, you enter into a social pact. And this is the
social pact. I'm going to pay the government taxes and they're going to protect
me and my business with organizations like the police force, like the ambulance,
like the NHS, like the firefighters. However, so, how do you
feel when you've been working and paying taxes all your life for the police and
they are unable to help you. It makes you feel what's the point Because
you're doing all you're supposed to do, You're fulfilling your end of the deal,
the social packs. You're paying the taxes and you're teering to the laws
of the land, and the people that aren't doing those things are getting away
without any any repercussions at all. And it's very, very frustrating, And
there's no deterrent because if there's if you're even if the ones that do get
nicked, it's a slapping the wrist, then they're out again. You see
these market stall things, you know, these boots, that's unbelievable, tools
laid out. I am seeing though, I am actually seeing like evidence of
police actually catching somebody people and then do it. But it's just too much.
He's just got too out of control. But even I don't know it's
organized crime. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. But I mean, I
don't want to use the word. Interestingly, but interestingly, I've got a
friend of mine who is in the police force, and one of his colleagues
who's in the police has a side job as a trade tradesman, and he
had his van broken in the three and a half grands tools like nicks,
and I sit in went, oh, is he going to get any special
treatment? And he's going to like investigate and of course not so even him,
like this bloke was a copper, happened to him. He's feeling exactly
the same as well, is feeling the bunt of it with no help.
So it's just it's just manners. So if we say to ourselves, why
are the police unable to help because they're underfunded understaffed, and then asked the
question why are they underfunded and understaffed? Who's in control of that? Now?
I've got to be careful what I say here, But this is why
it's really important that everyone does pay attention to the political climate and use your
vote where it counts, because, believe it or not, even just voting
it does have an impact on things like tool theft in theory, and I
suppose that's one thing we can do and another thing as well, when you
go into that social pact with let's say one of the leading van manufacturers,
you would hope that they are able to provide adequate security where you can't just
come along with an angle grinder or whatever it is, like a punch and
a hammer and open the vehicle and drive it off. It's twenty twenty three.
They can send people to the moon. I'm sure they can make a
vehicle they can't be broken into have in ten seconds. And I'll tell you
one thing as well. I've seen those videos on that Instagram site, and
I tell you what the tool thieves look like. They look like us.
They go around in high viz with masks on so that no one questions them
in out of a van. That's when they don't go around wearing black and
white stripe he tops with a mask over their face like the hamburglar. They
look like trades people. But you know what, they're so brazen now they
don't even care. They don't care because they do it in broad daylight,
and they'll do it when they's CCTV because obviously nothing's happening to them, do
you know what I mean? And they're making use of the COVID masters.
Yeah, but this is the thing, So look, listen up guys,
the end of the day. I mean, if it happens, it's one
of these things you might think it might not happen to you, fingers crossed.
It never does happen to you. But just really be on your guard.
You know, it's it's not just if there's still your tools, it's
awful, but it's the damage they can do to your vehicle trying to get
in there as well. So you've got to just try and take every precaution
you can. Now, don't kind of you kind of think yourself, Oh,
I'm parts in this place his broad daylight. You really have to be
on your guard. I'm gonna be completely honest. I don't use my van
like for a weekend. I was going to go to one of the sort
of local shopping centers. And do you know what I saw on this that
stolen tools page that it was like one of these big shopping centers and this
van got broken into and emptied, and I thought, and again, it's
just that little I needy to see that because I thought, oh, do
you know what, I'm not going to bother. I'm not going to take
the risk. It is literally for work. And when I'm at work,
I make a big thing. I'm either parked in their driveway or I'm parked
outside. If they say there's parking around the corner, I'm not interested in
the job. I have to be able at the end of the day.
Look, I know it said they can work quick and it can still happen,
but I'm just trying to take every precaution, I can. So that's
that's what we've got to do at the end of the day, right,
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