Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, come
on in, come on join me here. You know, I always find
it fascinating to here reports that America is the most industrial wealthiest country in the
planet, and yet we have the sickest citizens of every industrial age country.
And I find it a problem that we are so ill. But then again,
if you think about what America is all about, we're about marketing.
We're about money. You know, the next product, the next idea,
the next invention, the next social media flash. There's so much going on.
It's crazy. We're like children in a way, but we're sick and
we're not getting any better. And today we're going to talk about chemicals that
we have sprayed on our foods, and these chemicals that seep into our water,
into our soil and affect the plant life and affect the insects that supply
pollens to pollinate fruit trees. And you know, it's funny because when we
think about our country, we're considered by many, or we used to be
considered the bread basket of the world. We grew more grain, we have
more produce Here in California alone, we produce seventy percent of the country's fruits
and vegetables and grains. There's a big portion of the country of the state
that grow walnuts and almonds and sunflowers and all these important nuts. But if
these fruits and vegetables and grains are contaminated with toxic herbicides, this affects us.
And we're gonna learn today that it's a serious problem. In fact,
it's gotten to the point where there are residuals effects like autism, of fast
and growing problem with our children. Never heard of autism when I was growing
up in the seventies and eighties, because it wasn't known of, It wasn't
known about, it wasn't even a phenomenon. The other thing that's really becoming
a problem is Alzheimer's in dementia. It's just growing. It's growing and growing
and growing. And you're gonna hear about some of the reasons today why it
is growing, and it's of control, and we're becoming a nation of cripples,
neurologically crippled people. And you know, it's funny because Monsanto, who
was sued for their product roundup this, this herbicide, continues to produce GMOs
these genetically modified organisms which are in seeds and seedlings, and people are eating
this stuff, but it's been modified and it's not or it's not natural or
organic. And this is what it's coming down to. And a lot of
people used to pooh pooh organic produce, grass fed beef and so forth and
so on. But if you are eating vegetables and fruits that are laced with
herbicides, pesticides and other chemical compounds, it's direct affecting your body, and
it's the slow killer. This is what begins to show up as cancers,
neurological problems, gut leaky gut syndrome, kidney liver, organ problems, and
very damage to the brain, very very damaging to the brain, which is
what we don't want. We just cannot have our brains damaged at all.
So I try to fight against it. And of course I live in California,
where blessed with farms that produce organic fruits and vegetables, grass fed cows
and all this kind of good stuff. But a lot of people, and
many of you listening, don't have access to that. So you got to
go to your you got to go to your local store. And you know,
it's funny because certified organic produce is expensive. You know a lot of
people are like, I can't, I can't afford that, you know,
apples a dollar. I'm used to paying fifty cents for an apple or twenty
five cents for an apple. Well, the issue is it's really for your
livelihood. And I am going to have eventually some people talking about organic versus
a commercial grown produce. But the bottom line is you don't want chemical sprayed
on your apples or your fruits or your vegetables because there's nothing you can do
to wash it out. When it's sprayed, and it is and the planet
is and the fruit is growing or the vegetables are growing, it seeps into
the body of of the fruit and vegetable, so you can't wash it out.
You can't seep it out, you can't scratch it out or cut it
out. It's everywhere. So organic's really becoming huge. And if you can.
You know the other thing, let me tell you this, do a
taste test. Get an organic orange and get a commercial orange. You'll notice
immediately the taste. That's what I like. Right now here in northern California,
it's seed fruits, it's cherries are in seasoned and peaches and pears and
apricuts. Oh my god, I like apricuts. Apricuts are a real short
window. They're only good for about six weeks and then they're all gone.
But if you have a farmer's market where you're at, patronize them because they're
going to give you fruits and vegetables that haven't been sprayed all kinds of chemicals.
You don't want those chemicals in your body because they once you consume them,
it's in your body, it's in your organs. So patronize and go
to farmers markets when you can. And you want to live into your sixties,
seventies, eighties and beyond as healthful as you can, because if you're
not feeling well and you're taking drugs, you're screwed. And we all know
I'm talking about as soon as you get on drugs for any condition, you're
in trouble. So today's program is toxic legacy, how the we kill our
glephosate is destroying our health and the environment. And my guest today is doctor
Stephanie Sennef. We have our last tour coming up this year. It's our
Sacred Temples of Yucatan Mexico. It's November eighth through the seventeenth, and I
have our host and our guide, Memo Gonzalez with us talk a little bit
about this upcoming tour. Mimo has been with me for a number of years.
We're gonna be going to ek Balaam as one of our locations, and
they've done some recent excavations there and what will we see there that's that's unique.
Yeah, they have been doing it very interesting research restoration and the important
Mayan sites, including Ebalan. Ekbalam is one of the places we enjoyed the
most because it has some unique items. As you said first of all,
like it is still not a very touristic place. Yeah, we're allowed to
walk on most of the ancient constructions down there, and as you imagine,
from the top of most of these temples, we have beautiful view and a
perspectives of the of the site. It changes completely the idea we have of
the Mayan site. Yeah, what you were saying about this a new discovery
and the back of the site, a chologist uncover what looks like an ancient
accidential conflict and important art and fairy With some of those they also sound some
figures, some sculptures, and many of them still preserve the old stock.
As you know, most of the Mayan temples, most of the Mayan sculptures
caught in stone were finished with a very thin code of some stonkl that made
everything look very smooth and very clean. So in a egg blam we can
see a lot of these figures still in very good shape, like the Mayas
were still around. Excellent. All right. Again, it's November eighth to
the seventeenth of this year. Our host and tour guide is Mimo Gonzales.
For more information go to Earth Ancient Stock, Calm Forward Slash Tours and you'll
see all the itinerary. It's a short program. It's one week. We
do a lot of pyramid climbs and it's going to be a perfect time to
be there because the weather is great and it's very very reasonable. So again
a Sacred Pyramid Tour November eighth through the seventeenth of this year. Memo will
look forward to seeing you. Yeah, I mean too, cheers, Take
care for your soon. We're all concerned about the food we eat. I
try to do the best I can eat or only organic, but it's not
always possible. If not organic, then it's market, it's the farmer's market.
If not farmers market, then it's a store that isn't commercially run,
simply because I'm worried about the pesticides on my produce. Today, we have
a new author who has written a fascinating book called Toxic Legacy, how the
weed killer Glyphossa is destroying our health and the environment. And this book came
to my attention, I think by my producer, not only because of the
message that is carried throughout the book, but the importance to really be aware
of what you eat, what's in your food, and who's behind it.
My guest today is is doctor Stephanie Senef. She is a senior research scientist
at MIT, and she has a bachelor's in biophysics and a master's in engineering,
a pH degree in electrical and electrical engineering, and so much more.
She's a very bright gal. But Stephanie, welcome to Destiny and I gotta
tell you your book was a shocker. Well, I'm glad because I'm really
wanting people to wake up and realize what's going on here, because I think
it's really crucial for the long term health of our people in our society.
Yeah, we were just talking off recording that you took ten years to research
and develop and actually produce this book. It's packed, literally packed with data,
and it would take us a week to get over through the whole content.
But let's talk about how it came to be. You opened the book
talking and writing about your concern with autism, and you connected with another scientist
who was researching researching it. What is the aspect of autism that came to
light for you? And really was the kind of guiding path to this book.
Just the fact that the rates were going up every year. This was
around two thousand and seven timeframe. I started to get really concerned because I
was watching every year there's more, we're just diagnosing it more, don't worry
about it. And I just was very skeptical of that point of view.
And I was quite quite concerned because as a child, I had never known
I didn't know the word autism. When I was a child, there was
nobody who had it. And it's really come on the scene now in a
ferocious way. I mean I have like one in thirty it's thirty something,
now one in thirty something kids, thirty eight, something like that. In
the US it's incredible. Some of the towns in New Jersey have a lot
more than that. There's a very high rate of autism, especially among the
boys. It's a catastrophe and I don't understand why the government is not taking
it seriously. So many kids, and many of them can't even speak.
I mean, it's not like it's just a minor disability. Yeah, we
should mention that there's different levels of autism. There's a minor affliction to the
point where and then there's the other end of the spectrum, which is they
had to be cared for these kids. Yes, very very severe autism can
be like they're banging their head against the wall because they have some horrible headache
that they can't get rid of, and they can't speak, I mean,
and they have all kinds of bowel issues. I mean, it is a
very difficult situation for some of the mothers, and my heart goes out to
them because the pain that they have suffered and the devotion that they have to
their child and the commitment to try to solve the problem. I meet these
mothers that are really heroes in my mind, and they're going they're seeking everything
they can find in terms of nutritional supplements and organic diet and you know,
fecal trans I mean, they're trying all kinds of things with the hope of
curing their child's autism. And actually some children have been cured. It's quite
amazing their autism has been reversed, so it is possible to cure it.
I was really excited to know that I met a woman, a young woman
who was in her late teens, and she had been diagnosed with autism,
and she seemed completely normal, and I was so thrilled. And part of
their program was organic diet, you know. So I think the critical thing
is toxicity of the food, and just changing that one factor would make a
huge difference in the autism rates in this country. And it really disappoints me
that the government isn't even talking about it. It should be a national issue
to being discussed in the campaigns, you know, for the president at least,
they should be speak up by what are you going to do about the
autism epidemic? And there's not a word about it. It's like it's not
there. It really puzzles me that they don't care. Is this prevalent in
the United States in terms of the rates the high rate of autism or is
this worldwide? I think US is among the worst. I've heard that Brazil
in the United States kind of compete for first place on the usage of glycos
eight per person. It's the spikes. I think we mentioned the glycysaid already.
I'm not sure, but glypuz eight is the active ingredient and round up
and rounded is pervased in the food supply, and to me, that is
a primary cause, not the only cause, but a primary cause of the
audios an epidemic. And i' of course researched this very very deeply, and
I feel very confident in saying that. And so we've been led to believe
that this chemical is wonderful because it's perfectly safe for humans, but it kills
all plants except those that have been engineered to resist it. So it makes
a fantastic overside, and it greatly increases the efficiency of farming. You don't
need to pull the weeds, and you save a lot of money on labor.
And you know, it's a very If it were true, it would
be amazing, right that we'd have some chemical that doesn't affect us but kills
all the weeds. It would be really amazing, and if it was natural
it would be great. Okay, let's talk about round up and glyc say,
which is the focus of the book. It's in everything apparently, and
of course it's a Monsanto product, which is kind of a negative for a
lot of people who are thinking about their But talk about the chemical compound that
is part of roundup and why this glyphosate is so deadly. Yeah, glyphosate
is an extremely interesting chemical. Of course, it's not unnatural, it's not
doesn't occur in nature. It's synthetic. That's important. I think anything that's
synthetic and natural I get very suspicious of, but particularly these herbicides. I
think pretty much all the oversizer are not natural, most of most of it,
well, the chemical based herbicides that are very popular are all synthetic.
And glyph is a In my book, I talk extensively about what I believe
to be life is. It's unique and diabolical mechanism of toxicity, which makes
it very unusual in terms of its effects that nothing else matches it in terms
of kind of damage it can do. And this effect is a little bit
technical, but it involves glycosate, is glycine, molecule. Glycine is an
amino acid. It's the smallest amino acid. It's one of the twenty building
blocks of the proteins that are assembled according to the DNA code. And it's
really kind of a cool system where you have this three letter code that codes
for a particular amino acid, and when you have a code for glycine,
the system is instructed to put a glycine into the protein. And this building
it's like beads on a string. But when it gets to that code,
it sees glycyzate and thinks it's glyicing by mistake, and it puts it into
the protein. This is what I believe is happening, and I talk in
my book about I have a whole chapter devoted to the evidence that I've found,
even from Monsanto's own studies, to support this claim, because if this
is true, then it explains why this one chemical is correlated. There's been
a dramatic increase in the use of glycyzate over the past twenty years, in
step with a dramatic increase in a huge list of chronic diseases, not just
autism, and especially many problems with the children, many problems with the gut
Alzheimer's, you know, there's a lot of and even some cancers like pecreatic
cancer. All these things are going up dramatically over time. Obesity, diabetes,
you know, we get sicker and sicker every day in our country,
and we kind of just accept it. Oh yeah, everybody's getting bad.
Well, yeah, you don't get fat, you're eating crappy or something that
you know, we don't really think about exactly what is it that's going on
that makes it so compelled to get fat, And it really is. It
doesn't make anything else to me though when I hear that, and it's always
in the news, the fact that the United States, this industrial giant,
is one of the sickest countries in the world and we're not getting any better.
We just seem to fall further further into the abyss because we're being medicated
with pharmaceuticals rather than a holistic alternative. And it's just I mean, I
talk about this all the time on my show. Here is a look at
it. You have a number of actors that go into the real foundation of
America, which is farming, and we have always been kind of the bread
basket of the world. I know, that's changing a little bit with certain
grains. I know different other countries are growing more grains. But because we
have this industry, herbicides have always been in the scene, and until they
were found to be a problem, we didn't really pay attention to it.
Like earlier products like DDT were found to be poisonous. And round Up has
had its problems with huge lawsuits. Talk a little bit about these. One
guy got like a quarter of a billion dollars in the settlement and then they
reduced it down to seventy eight million. But Roundups been put on notice,
hasn't it? Absolutely? Dwane Lee Johnson, I remember very clearly the moment
in which I heard that he had won that case and had gotten this huge
settlement. I was so shocked because I just assumed that, oh, yeah,
they always know how to whasel their way out of these problems, you
know, settle it out of court and nobody knows what happened. And he
actually went to court, had a jury trial, and he won a huge
amount, and then of course it was eventually cut back. But he was
awesome, and he actually came I'm in Hawaii. He came here to Hawaiian
and talked to the Hawaii government about the dangers of round up, and very
shortly after that they banned the use of round up on school yards across Hawaii,
which was so gratifying to me that he's actually been involved politically to try
to get and bring awareness to this chemical. But because of his lawsuit and
because he won, all kinds of people came out of the closet, and
all of a sudden, there's like an onslaught of people with non Hodgkins lym
foma linked to guide for their usage. And it was really people who the
farmers don't can't can't argue as well their case because they're exposed to so many
chemicals that you always point at the other chemicals, well that's the one that
caused your problem. But there were people who were only using round up on
their own property and things like that, who'd gotten on hotcheson boma a young
age, and it just became an onslaught. And Bayer is still crippled by
this. They really don't know how to get out of this problem. In
fact, they're actually trying now to get government regulation here in the United States
to basically say that roundup is a bit like the vaccines that it is so
essential to our economy and to the growth of our crops that we can't afford
to not have it, and therefore bayers should be protected from lawsuits because of
that, lawsuits against glycs state. They're trying to get that such a bill
passed, which is just so incredible to me. Yeah, talk a little
bit about the the farming industry, how our grains bring crops, produce and
so on. Although they're trying to reduce the pesticize being used, they still
get in our food and you really can't wash them out, can you.
Well, that's the thing I mean. If glad is, as I believe,
getting incorporated into proteins, it's going to be in the proteins of the
tissues of the foods that we eat, and in our own proteins as well
throughout our body. It's like bullets in the proteins throughout your body. And
some of the proteins become completely disabled when they have just one glycine substitution by
glyphys eate, they can become completely disabled. And you can see which proteins
they are, and I talk about many of them in my book. That
if that approtein is affected by glyphys eate, then you're going to have this
disease, and then you can have all these diseases that are going up dramatically,
and you can say, well, here's the protein that would cause this
disease, and here's why glyph isa would disrupt that protein, and you connect
the dots and you can tellantly incredible story. You can fill the pieces of
the puzzle together and really produce a compelling story as to why glyphys a single
handedly is causing a great number of these issues that we're having with our health,
and really starting with the gut microbiome, because that's central, you know.
Monsanto claimed that glyphyzate's a wonderful herbicide because it disrupts a particular enzyme in
the plants which is in this pathway called the shickamate pathway, and the enzyme
is called EPSP synthase. Yeah. Yeah, Human cells don't have that pathway,
they don't have that enzyme. We cannot be affected by glycycate. That's
the story they tell. It's pretty compelling, right, it sounds pretty good.
The problem is many of our gut bacteria have the pathway, have the
enzyme get affected by glycyciate, and they use that pathway to produce essentral nutrients
for the host. So when that pathway gets disrupted in the gut microbes,
you get deficiencies and critical nutrients. Yeah, it's it's devastating. I want
you to talk a little bit about the GMOs and how glyphyssate kind of seeps
into those as well, because we're all for a while there it was like
GMOs are not to be used, don't buy the seeds, be careful about
buying products. And I think in some cases GMO produce was identified at certain
stores, but I don't know. I think they they fought that. I
think, yeah, absolutely fought that, and they don't. They don't have
to label anymore. So we talk a little bit about that. Would you
step fling. Yeah. There have been various attempts to get GMO labeling on
the program here in the United States and has never succeeded. The United States
has refused to consider the idea of labeling the GMOs. And you know,
for the longest time, there was a lot of discussion among citizens about the
possibility that GMOs are toxic, but they were not actually paying attention to the
fact that the GMOs. We don't know exactly what the actual GMO technology might
do, and there could be some odd things that it would do to your
body as well. But what people weren't appreciating until more recently is that the
GMO enables the toxic exposures to the chemicals, and it's really the chemicals,
not the GMOs, that are caused. I believe that are causing most of
the problems that you see with GMO crops. And so there are crops that
there are foods that are labeled non GMO because people know if I call this
non GMO, we will sell better. You know, that's a feature.
Unfortunately, non GMO doesn't necessarily mean no guide to say. In fact,
the GMOs. One of the biggest GMOs was the introduction of this version of
this enzyme EPSP syntheliz that I mentioned earlier. They're endowed with a microbial version
of that enzyme that's not sensitive to glyphys eate and it's not sensitive because there's
a glycine that got taken out. That glycine is what makes it sensitive,
and that in those new copies of that protein that came from the micro it
has an alum in instead of a glycine. At that spot, so it's
not at all sensitive to glycysate. That's actually a very big hint that glycycyate's
effect is jue too substituting for the glycine the protein. That's very important because
that's what gives it its unique, huge list of things that it can cause
because of messing up various proteins that get infected in a way with glyphisa and
embedded in the protein and messing up its ability to do its job. So
I got off on a bit of a tangent there. But the GMOs,
so the other problem is that it's not enough to see non GMO to think
it's going to be free of glycysate. You know. So there's a GMO
that causes the plant to be resistant to glycyzate from this bacterial gene, and
that allows you to spray glypozate all over the crop and it doesn't die.
So that makes you really easy to just spray it from the airplane, you
know, all over the crop. You don't have to pay attention to just
putting it on the weeds, which makes it so much easier to manage the
weeds. But then there are a whole bunch of crops and they're very basic
in the food chain that are sprayed with glypyzate right before harvest does a desiccond
These are non GMO crops. They have to be non gmo because otherwise they
wouldn't die. The whole point of it is to force the crop, the
plant to die, goes to seed. You increase the yield because you synchronize
the production of the seed. For example in wheat and barley and oats and
rye and then garbonzo beans, chickpeas, some of the seed nuts. So
many different crops are sprayed with glycysate right before harvest, and that's the worst
because that glypiz it goes right into the seed. In fact, wheatterm has
probably the highest levels of glycysate of any part of the wheat because the lives
it actually gets into the sea and so you get a very very high levels
of life living stuff. You real quickly, Stephanie, aren't isn't the AMA
or any of these health organizations putting up the red flag to organizations that are
spraying g to say on the on the trees and you know, farm crops,
what's the question, aren't they saying, why are you doing this,
You're poisoning our people. No, no, they're not. They're saying,
oh, this is a wonderful chemical, it's perfectly safe, so we don't
care. If we don't, and the government knows this like to they'd all
over the fruit supply and they don't bother to even measure it. It's people
like Zan Hunnicott who have taken the initiative. She's a friend of mine.
She's a hero in my opinion. She's she's the founder of an organization called
Moms Across America, which has been around for many years, and she's been
pushing this concept of like to say, toxicity throughout her whole initiative is based
on that, and she has been measuring. She has gathered samples of very
interesting samples of food and gotten them tested for glacysy and she's gotten extremely bad
news. So she did fast foods. She got samples of foods from fast
food joints. One hundred percent of them were contaminated with glycasa. She got
samples from school lunches, public school lunches, from her moms. She has
this organization of moms, sent them off and got them tested ninety five percent
were positive for glycostate. It's like all over the food supply God and the
government doesn't care. It's like, oh it's safe, don't worry. I'm
reading an extrap here. In twenty twenty, the EPA reported that there were
no risks of using glycos sate in the farming industry our own EPA. Has
there been any change since twenty twenty, that's four years ago. People have
been trying to interest them. I mean I was part of a group of
people who we spent our own nickel to go to Washington, DC and meet
with the EPA. And it was a disaster. I mean they delayed the
meeting and then they started talking with us about stuff, but wasted all the
time. We had to rush through our presentation. They had no questions.
They were like zombies while we presented, and nothing happened, you know,
big in front of did you speak in one of Congress or it was EPA?
We went, We did a well, we spoke in front of congressional
what do you call them, not the Congress and themselves but the people who
ruling body or something I don't know. Yeah, And then we also met
with the e p A but the EPA meeting was a disaster. I was
so disappointed. They obviously did not want to hear our message, and they
obviously did not want to do anything about it. It was really frustrating.
It's totally amazing. We're going to get to them towards the back of the
book where you actually talk about farmers' markets and organic versus commercially grown. But
how I mean you even say here, which is kind of scary for me
because I tried to eat only organic food. That eat an organic produce can
have traces of glycysatees in in the planet. Is there any way for us
to get away from this at all? This poison? Well, this is
a problem because in this country it is so pervasive, it's actually in the
in the air. I collected a sample of rainwater and MiG in Cambridge,
Massachusetts, and I set it off to Anthony Sampson, my buddy, who
was doing testing for glycycat and rainwater from He had his friend's gathering water sent
it to him and he got it tested for glycciate. The rainwater from Cambridge
came out positive for glycysate, which means it's in the air in Cambridge and
it's not there's no farms in Cambridge, right, But I think it's coming
from the from the biofuels in the biodiesel, the bioethanolo, it's in the
gasolines. Yeah, ethanol is dry from GM or around up ready corn,
and we put like five ten percent of ethanol in our gasoline. We tried
to save gas that way, right, But by putting ethanol and the gas
and the ethanol evaporates and the glithe tickets into the air. I believe that's
not been tested. That's still just theoretical, but I suspect it. Wow.
Let's talk a little bit about the health concerns. You say that glyphasate
is slowly killing us, and obviously you have chapters on the cancers and the
other neurological disorders. I want to talk briefly about reproduction because this is a
big one. You say that and you describe a lot of American women,
not just necessarily American women wait until they're older to have children, which is
it makes it tougher because they don't have the same reproductive cycles, they don't
have the same egg production and so forth and so on. But you have
made some astounding discoveries and talk a little bit about the problems associated with glyphassate
and having healthy babies. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of problem there
are certainly reproduction itself. I think both the female and the male sexual system
is disrupted by glyphyzate. Studies have shown that sperm exposed to glypizate become immobile
and they become less their fewer sperm because of Glyphizateic exposure studies have shown that
so the sperm are very sensitive to glyphysate. And actually for the woman,
it's very interesting because there's a condition called polycystic ovary syndrome, which is the
most common cause of female in fertility, polycystic ovary syndrome, And there was
a study on girl babies. This was a recent study. They looked at
GlyP state levels in the urine of pregnant women and then they had this metric
they could use that would detect It's a metric of the reproductive system that would
test would correlate with excess testosterone exposure in utero. So both the males and
females are getting too much testosterone because glypizate disrupts the enzone aromatase that converts testosterone
to estrage, and too much testosterone in uterope for girl babies ends up being
a very high predictor of this metric, which is called the atogenital distance.
And you can imagine what that is. If it's long, it's an indicator
of too much testosterone and that gives you like a twelvefold increased risk to having
polycystic ovary syndrome when you grow up. So that's a connection right there with
the girl babies. It disrupts the hormonal system, which causes very confusing development
of the sexual system, and then the babies have all kinds of problems.
I actually wrote an article together with a couple of other women on the effect
of glype state on babies, and we looked at a whole lot of data
from the government on various conditions and even defects like heart defects and things like
that and metabolic disorders, and we just found an astonishing number of things that
were going up over time exactly in stepped with a rising glycsate usage in the
babies. You know, just amazing. So it's very and you know,
we have a very poor record here in the United States. We have among
the highest infant mortality rates of all the industrialized world, insane and even maternal
mortality as well. We have a very high rate of maternal mortality compared to
other countries in our league, you know, the industrialized countries. We're out
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You'll want to practition and mal until. I guess today is doctor Stephanie Senef,
who has written a book called Toxic Legacy. How the weed killer is
destroying our health and the environment if the e p A finds that this is
UH worth keeping on our farming UH systems. How toxic is UH life?
For saying, is it highly toxic and and you only need a little bit
to disrupt you? Or do they find that you can have a little bit
and you'll be you can live? Okay, I mean it seems like they
have a tolerance. Yeah. They like to talk about a level, you
know, a safe level, what's the maximum safe level of the chemical?
But glyphis eight has been shown by many studies to be an endercon disruptor,
and endercin disruptors have the interesting property that they are more toxic at very low
levels than they are at higher levels. And so Monsanto actually set up a
rule back when they were trying to study glype is eight. They said that
if you could confirm that that in studies that the chemical was not toxic at
certain higher levels, you didn't have to look any lower that the dose makes
the poison. They made this argument, and so they didn't bother to look
for gut for toxicity of bated at low levels. They also made a rule
that said if you don't see any problems in mammals like we're studying mouse study
or right rat studies, after three months, then you're good to go.
You don't have to look any longer in time. So they have short time
interval. And then of course they also never studied byphizate in context with the
chemicals that were added to it to make the formulation, and that was a
huge gap because glyphizeate by itself can actually not go into the cell unless you
kind of add some things to make it able to be penetrated through the cell
barriers and they mixed up this formulation round up that has these other things in
it. Those are actually intrinsically. There was a study that showed that those
other ingredients were a thousand times more toxic than blinpiz eate acutely during the application
of the chemical that those thinks glyth yzate has this unique insidious mechanism of toxicity
that you don't see right away. It takes time, and that's why if
you wait, if you only go three months, you might miss it.
Because in fact, there was this rats There were a famous rats study that
was done by Saraleni in France, and he repeated a study that the industry
had done with the rats, only he didn't stop it three months. He
went for the entire lifespan. At three months, he couldn't really tell the
difference between the treated group and the control but by four months he started receive
prop and by the end of their life they had a shortened lifespan. That
both genders had sexual dysfunction, they had males had liver and kidney problems,
the females had massive memory tumors. I mean, there were lots of things
going on that separated the treated group from the control group after for the entire
lifespan, and that paper was quite a stir and actually, of course the
industry managed to get it retracted, which is what they do with controversial papers.
But they did manage then to turn around and get it republished. So
it's a valid study that was republished. And you know, I keep reading
this over and over in your book. It's like Monsanto blocks Moncento. Scientists
say, you're wrong. It's a good product. It's you know, it's
our culture, you know, to make a buck. And it doesn't matter
if you're blindly leading people to take poisons whether you like it or not.
It's good for you and it's going to kill you slowly. But that's okay,
that's just the American way. It's kind of a sad statement about our
society, isn't it. It certainly is. I mean, I say that
the industry has really gotten control over the government because they're the pharmaceutical industry,
and Bayer, of course is a pharmaceutical company. They own Monsanto. That
industry has done one so much lobbying for the government that the government is completely
in their hands. I mean, they do what the pharmaceutical industry wants because
that's how they get their funding. It's really a very broken system. And
so and there's this portrayal of I mean, they kind of portray people like
me as just being sort of alarmists or is just totally exaggerated the situation.
You know that all the foods find don't worry about it is the message they
give. And of course it's not just the chemicals in the food. It's
also the processed food that's bad. Even by itself. Even a processed SOI
ap proachin bar that's organic, I wouldn't need it, you know. So
it's both the processing and all the chemicals that go into The chemicals that go
into the processing are part of the problem too, like hexan. So you
need to eat whole foods. That's really important. It needs to be organic.
And even organic you know here is not necessarily safe because it can have
glyphysate in it, but it generally has a lot less than non organic food.
I want you to talk briefly on the ecosystem and how it's disrupted by
this, specifically the insect life, which is very We might think of flies
and gnats and stuff like that as being bothersome, but in the ecosystem when
we have harvests and we have bees pollinating flour and we get our honey.
Talk about the loss of the insect life. That's incredible, and it actually
really frustrated me when I saw all this talk about the bee colony collapse syndrome
and about the monarch butterfly disappearing. You know, all this talk about it,
and almost never is glycy mentioned as a possible cause, which really frustrates
me because I think pizate is a major player in both of those problems,
along with the insecticide. I mean, of course you can expect the insecticides
to be a problematic for the bees and the butterflies, but the but the
glyph is it is. I think I suspect it's the primary cause of both
of those problems, the bee colony collapse syndrome and the monarch butterfly. Monarch
butterfly is very good example because it eats milkweed, and milkweed is a weed
that grows in corn crops, and the corn crops, of course are GMO
around up ready, so they're sprayed with glype you say, thips that goes
into the milkweed, and the butterfly gets poisoned by eating the milkweed. That
is a very simple story, and that to me is the primary cause of
the loss of the monarch butterfly and then the bees, you know, honey.
So there was a study I found on honey. It was, oh
that horrible. Yeah, it was amazing because they got they did a lot
of samples of honeys from different parts of the world, in Mexico and Canada
and the United States and other other places. But they found and they had
this big display of all the levels of all the different and they had all
this you could see that all these ones here in the middle that were USA,
you know, they were way high compared to the others. It was
just very clear that you could because you said it perfectly. Honey bees don't
discriminate what flowers they Yeah, they don't know how to go on yet.
They just go find a flower and open the best. So the bees are
being poisoned's in the honey. And studies on the bees have shown that they
get kind of a be autism or a b Alzheimer's disease when they're exposed to
buycasay. They message up they've got microbiome, just as it does ours.
Yeah. Uh, does Monsanto sell just glifossate as a binder for other products?
Is it used outside of the herbicide? Is this why we see it
so widely? It's actually, I think basically only used as an herbicide these
days. It was originally patented as a pipe cleaner, yeah, get strips
metals off of pipes. And I actually think that may have something to do
with LEEP Michigan and their problem with lead, because I suspect they ended up
with glycosting the water supply because they weren't filtering it properly. In the filtration
they changed the water supply to be these rivers that go through the GMO around
a bretty country, and then they didn't have adequate treatment plants. Fortunately,
and most of the water supply is treated with chlorine in this country, and
chlorine actually breaks down glycos non and somatically. I think I was so happy
when I saw that chlorine is not good. You know, it can be
toxic. Too much chlorine in your water and it kills the bugs, which
is how you can prevent getting dysentery and other kinds of diseases that you might
get from microbes in the water. But it also kills the glycos eate and
that is so fortunate because I think we would be much worse off if we
weren't using chlorine to kill chlorine in the water supply to clean it. You
know. Wow. I want you to talk about the neurological effects of lifeless
eate and how you feel. Especially in the United States, we have a
very high dementia at Alzheimer's rate, and I can't remember where you quoted it,
but it's an alarming, alarming number. Talk a little bit about what
you believe might be happening. Yeah, I think there are many different ways
in which GlyP is eight causes Alzheimer's and autism, and I think those two
diseases are actually related. It's kind of like, in my opinion, sort
of the same disease at different age groups because you have a different response.
It's the whole metabolic system when you're an infant versus when you're an adult or
an old person. But in both cases, I think life is eight is
causing neurological disruption that has some parallels between the Alzheimer's and the autism. And
one issue I suspect is aluminium because and actually I wrote a paper together with
colleagues about glycoze eight and aluminum, because glyc is eight binds to metals very
very well, and I found a paper that talked about how two glyphis eight
molecules would wrap around and the aluminium atom and hide its plus thy charge.
Aluminium is a toxic metal, has no use in biology, and it carries
a plus three charge all the time. It doesn't change from plus three and
plus three charge is like very positively charged, which makes it hard for it
to get across barriers. But when you wrap it up with a couple of
glyphis eate molecules, which are negatively charged, you end up with a neutral,
small, neutral molecule that can easily get past barriers because it's not charged.
And on top of that, glypiz eate causes a leaky gut, So
the combination of a leaky gut and a small molecule hold hiding the aluminum allows
the glyphiz eate to escort them out of the gut into the blood supply over
to the brain, and I think peticularly to the pineal gland, which is
outside of the blood brain barrier. It's susceptible to anything coming from the blood
and then because of it being terminal watershed, it's an acidic pH the pH
goes down, which makes the glyphi is eight let go, and now it
releases this aluminum atom that can then do damage to the brain. So the
paneogland gets exposed to aluminum, which messes up its ability to do its job.
One thing you get is melotonin deficiency. Of course, then you have
sleep disorder, and sleep disorder is an epidemic going up exactly in step of
the rise of glyphys eate and sleep disorder is connected to both autism and Alzheimer's.
But then you get damage to the brain. Alzheimer's. Both autism and
Alzheimer's have been associated with post wartum Studies have shown high levels of aluminum in
the autistic brain and in the Alzheimer's brain, and that aluminum gets into that
plaque, you know, the Alzheimer's famous Alzheimer's plaque has aluminum trapped in it.
And it's very it's very clear that aluminum is causal in both Alzheimer's and
autism. Is there something that can leach glacyssate out of the body once you
have say you've been eating it for a year or so and you're just discovered
you read toxic legacy by you Miss Stephanie, and you want to get it
out of your system? Is there? I mean I do two three four
day fasts sometimes and fasting can be with just water that can be helpful.
But is there a system that you've come up with or you've developed to kind
of leach the poison and toxins out. I think it's very very difficult to
get glyphosatee out. Once it's in your proteins and your tissues, it's very
hard to get it out. But you're right, take if you do it
fast, that's going to cause your body to want to consume its all the
nutrition from the body, and that's going to mean actually breaking down things like
you know, broken proteins and so I think that glyphosate gets embedded in the
proteins, which breaks them, and if you don't have a good system,
your cells can end up with defective lycisomes where they can't actually clear cellular debris.
They get this debris from sort of living that cells get. You know,
molecules get damaged and they have to be broken down and reassembled in something
new, and that whole process can get bogged down because of again, because
of toxicity. Glypisate ironically is one of the contributors to making lysisomes not working
well. The cell's digestive system is broken, it can't clear the debris.
But if you starve yourself then it will be more. It'll turn on the
mechanisms that actually break things down, and so it'll break down those proteins that
are contaminated with glypis. Free up the glyph is eate and release it into
the circulation, and then you would hope that it might pass out through the
urine through the species. Through that process, it could also just get incorporated
into another protein and go on with its life, because that's the thing.
Gladysy can move around from protein to protein, causing different kinds of damage depending
upon which protein it hits. But there are some things that have been recommended
by some nutrital folks who are friends of mine, and one of the things
they recommend is humic acid and fulviac acid, which is like organic matter from
the soil, is the complex organic molecules, and you can get those pretty
easily on the web. Humic acid pulvic acid. They apparently are a good
binders and the thought is that they would bind to glyphy is eate and then
carry it out through the field, and they might even have enzymes embedded in
them that are able to break down glyphysate. That's the thing that I look
for, is enzymes that can break it down. And one thing I'm hopeful
about is Acetobacter because Acetobacter is one of the few species. There are strains
of Acetobacter, I don't think all all of them that can break g lipozate
down. Glactate has a tough seky bond, it's called in chemistry carbon boss
respond that's very difficult for most Most animals don't know what to do with that,
and they can't break it down. That's one reason why it's so toxic.
But there are some There are some microbes that can and a pseudobacter is
one of them. Also one called Pseudamonis oruginosa, which is not one you
want to have because that's a toxic you know, that's a pathogen Cinemonus organosa
that's causing a lot of trouble in the hospitals these days. It can break
down glycos and I suspect that maybe a reason why it's becoming a problem because
it's doing a service for the host by removing the blap ysate, but at
the same time it releases toxic molecules. They cause trouble. Uh. I'm
trying to find the positive notes here on any I can't. I have a
sad one I'm going to bring up with you. I found this on the
site. You don't talk in this book about statins. But here in the
United States, the medical in this all all about getting rid of and reducing
cholesterol. And in these statin drugs there is uh glyphosate residuals. Talk a
little bit about this, and I stopped taking my statins about it almost a
year ago, simply because I was having neurological problems. They were causing problems
with my hands. So I'm not surprised we talk about statins. Yeah,
I don't know about glycosiden statins, but I do know about statins, and
I have actually written about statins, even in published papers. And I consider
status to be basically a toxic A toxin, I you know you're taking a
something that's poisoned you when you take a stat I strongly believe that statins are
never useful for anyone I will go out on a limb and say that.
You know, it does knock down the cholesterol very well, which is not
a good thing, because cholesterol is actually essential for your health. You know,
mammals depend upon cholesterol the way plants depend upon chlorophyll. It's like chlorophyll
animals. Cholesterol isn't essential. It's only found in animal based foods. As
you probably know, plants don't make cholesterol, so unique chemical and unique molecule
that animals use in very very important ways, and especially in the brain.
The brain has much more cholesterol than other organs in the body. Oh.
Interesting, so we're trying to here, we are pharmaceutical companies trying to remove
cholesterol or and it's actually a positive. Yeah, so it's causing these diseases.
I actually did a study many years ago. I was studying status before
I got it came upon life is that back in probably two thousand and seven
or something like that there two thousand and eight, I forget. I published
a paper together with my student on statin drugs. It was a fun paper.
We actually got data from the web. There are these websites like WebMD
patients like us where you can actually report your experience with your drug. So
we got all this data from the web. This was back when you were
just starting to get the idea of processing web data, and you know,
I'm a computer scientist. And so we got all the data of different side
effect reports of different patients for statins and for all kinds of other drugs.
And then we collected two groups. One was all the statin drug reports and
the other one was all the other drug reports, and we normalized them so
they had exactly the same age distribution. So you're looking at people at the
same age if they get a statin versus another drug, which diseases, which
which which problems that do they come up with? That are more statistically more
common with the statin drug than with all the other drugs. And we found
an incredible correlation with all kinds of horrible things, including things like Alzheimer's and
Parkinson's disease. Oh my god, can't get clear. All right, let's
try to go on a positive note, living the best we can. Commercial
versus organic. What do we find is the difference? Obvious difference is one
the commercial is sprayed with herbicides and the organic is not. But what other
things can we do? To live our best here in the United States,
eating certified organic is actually number one. I think it's the most important thing.
Whenever you buy at the grocery store, make sure it says certified organic
on the label. And actually you can do that quite well these days.
I'm encouraged to see, especially places like Costco and Whole Foods, they have
a lot of certified organic choices and you can get pretty much anything you need
certified organic, like all the spices and the wine, the beer, by
the way, the alcohol is all all the beers and wines are testing positive
for glycos eate. You know, are they really even the microbreweries huh,
well, yeah, microbreweries. But even though even though organics can have small
amounts because they grow next to a bunch of farms that have got music lipe,
is it so much less in the organics and so you know, anyway,
so you have not just your food, but your spices, and even
I suspect your drugs. I mean, I think you have to worry about
glycis eate even in your supplements. Ample. Even the pill comes in a
sort of gelatin shell, right, and gelatin is very highly contaminated with glacida
it's not organic because it has lots and lots of college of glycine, and
glicas is substituting for glycine in the collagen I suspect. My friend Anthony Samsel
has tested a lot of interesting things for glycos. He tested jello. He
tested a bone that he got from a kful cow, you know, the
confined animal feeding operation cow. He got the bone. He just tested it
and found glycidiated in the bone high levels. So it's going into collagen.
And then collagen is used to make gel caps. And then gel caps are
you put your you know, supplement inside your gel cap and you're eating you're
eating glycas when you take your pill. What about meat eaters, that's a
tough one because unless they're you know, cow farm that is, uh,
be very careful of the feed. Cows get all kinds of horrible stuff in
your meat. Cows eat a lot of glac. To say, today,
they have much higher limits actually in the regular choy the regular regular choice system
does have some limits on how much glac state is allowed in certain foods,
but they allow like ten times as much in the foods that are fed to
the cows versus the humans. And they feed them all these foods that are
GMO around up ready crops, so they get lots of glycys eate in their
feet and they get sick as well. There's a lot of trouble with the
cows these days. Yeah. I mean the problem is that I've tried to
be a vegetarian and then it's just really a challenge. You got to have
your protein. So I don't agree with vegetai. I think you should be
eating, especially what really healthy foods are seafood or seafood. You're in Hawaii,
so you have all kinds of seafood. Seafood is definitely a very healthy
choice, even though it has lots and lots of cholesterol, maybe because it
has lots and lots of cholesterol. And fish, of course is also healthy.
Of course, fish can have problems because of again human interference with the
mercury in the fish, so that's a problem there. So what do you
suggesting for red meat? Grass fed beef is good, and you can get
organic organic pork. It's hard to get, but you can get organic bacon,
and I like organic bacon. I eat a lot of that. In
fact, I use organic lard as my oil. People use these cheap vegetable
oils like soybean oil and canola oil. Those are loaded with glyphisate. Organic
lard and butter. Butter, by the way, is an extremely healthy food
again, very high cholesterol, extremely healthy. Wow, if we have an
overwhelming amount of glyphissed in our soil and water, are we needing to drink
just distilled and purified water. That's another problem. Absolutely you need to worry
about your water supply and it could be high in GlyP state, especially if
you're living in a farm community. Right, you can get your water tested
for glyphizate, and there are and you can use, you know, filters
to get it out pretty much. Reverse ophomosis is about the only filter that
works to get reverse osmosis. Is distilled that gets you, that gets rid
of all the minerals, which is a problem because then distilled water is not
good for you. In fact, you know, mineral water is a very
healthy source of water, but that's coming down the lakes or whatever it could
be, picked it up from the farm land exactly, it can be loaded
with glydeazates. So this is a problem that many things that are really good
for you normally are no longer good for you. Because of the contamination with
glypasates, it makes it really hard to thread the needle to find a way
to stay healthy in the presence of all this exposure. It's really difficult,
you know. It's it's sad that the government isn't staying on top of this
and doesn't seem to have, as you site say, a concern. That's
amazing to me. I mean because when you think about the autism rates and
as I said one and I think it's thirty eight now nationwide in the United
States, always going up, and so you know, in another ten years,
and of course you've got all these early cases now graduating out of it
into adulthood, and now we have to figure out how to deal with adults
with autism because we didn't have that before. Now we do, and the
country doesn't necessarily have outequate facilities for that, you know, and once the
once the parents die, then those people are left stranded. We're going to
have that, We're going to face that another twenty years autistics whose parents are
dead, and now who's going to take care of them. I think it's
a horrible problem. And I think we're going to have a situation where anybody
who's still healthy in this in this country is going to spend all their time
taking care of friends and relatives who are sick. And we won't be able
to do anything else other than take care of the sick. And of course
the pharmaceutical industry will do very well because they're pushing, pushing all those bills.
You know, they like us sick. That's one of the big problems.
It's kind of ironic that the pharmaceutical industry and the agrochemical industry are the
same thing these days. Well you're saying Bear owns Monsanto now, and Genti
is also I think connected to the pharmaceutical industry. It's they kind of know.
I think that, oh gosh, if we just keep people sick,
we'll make lots of money. It's very cynical to say that. But I
don't know. I can't see another way. You know, the reasoning seems
sounds to me. Do you think the Europeans, who have been aware of
this poison for decades, Uh, just are more up on top of this
and they don't want to poison their citizens or I mean, they're not obviously
purposefully doing this. It's just an industry that's making money, you know.
Is it just that the Americans are just tied to the almighty dollar and that's
just the bottom line, or what do you think's going on here? I
just think the pharmaceutical industry and the aga chemical industry are too strong in the
lobby system that they influenced the government to just go wink wink and say,
yeah, it's okay, we don't care for poisoning the society, or they
convince them that that they're not, you know, through false studies. It's
we don't seem to have an adequate awareness of the need for things like basic
healthy food. And of course even the processed food industry is very strong also,
so they're promoting their process food just being good for you. That's horrible.
The books called Toxic Legacy. My guest today has been Stephanie Sinof,
and this book's been out a couple of years. It is packed full,
my friends, of data on the neurological effects, the problems with reproduction.
We just mentioned a few. Are you following this book up with specific portions
and writing another book or or is it more like I've done the book.
You guys can grab it, call me if you need me. Actually,
I'm onto something else right now, and I'm really excited about I love biology
and it's a giant puzzle and I like a puzzle, and I've picked up
on deuterium. I'll just mention this to you briefly. Deuetarium is heavy hydrogen.
It's a natural element, and I've realized I've come to realize that getarium
plays in a very important role in body metabolism, and that there are whole
systems that are involved with managing detrium the way they would be, for example,
for iron or seek all these critical minerals that have very interesting positive effects
but also negative effects that they can be toxic, both toxic and essential elements,
and deuterium is like that, but then there's a system that manages it
very beautifully. But life is a train wreck for that system, and so
detarium management becomes derailed and the mitochondria gets sick. And that's been my big
thing lately. I've done some podcast interviews on that. It's really fascinating science.
And I would love to write a book on deuterium if I can live
long enough and get enough energy. But that would be my next goal is
to book. You're right, there's a lot of energy to put it.
Do you have a website, Stephanie. Stephanie said, dot net. Stephanie
said, dot net, Okay, I'll put that up. And are you
on YouTube with lectures or talks or anything things like this. I do a
lot of these podcast interviews. I enjoyed talking to people like you, and
it's great that you do these the service for people because it's great. So
mostly podcast uders. I do have a we have a group called new MDS,
the New MDS newf like medical doctor. Yeah, MDS in our case
stands for moms, doctors and scientists, the new mds. And that's then
honey got I mentioned earlier, and then Michelle Perrow who's a pediatrician. So
Zen is the mother. We're all mothers, but Zen is the mother.
Michelle is the pediatrician, and I'm the scientist MDS and we've done I don't
know, maybe nineteen twenty episodes so far. We do wonder that excellent.
As we leave you, Stephanie, what's the what, what's the future whole?
What's your gut feeling on this blind use of this life to see?
Well? I think if we don't do something soon, it's going to be
devastation for this country. I think we're going to be pretty much taken down
by it, because, first of all, reproductive rates will go way down,
and so many kids will be sick with so many problems, and the
society will be overburdened with the healthcare issues of everybody who's getting sick, not
just the kids, but the adults and the old. People will be overwhelmed
by the medical needs of our society, which will prevent us from really doing
anything other than just taking care of sick people. So I think we're headed
for a disaster. Also a very big drop in the population, which in
some ways could be a good thing. But the people who wake up and
realize how to stay healthy, and I want to mention not only eating healthy
food, eating whole foods, eating organic food, and also getting out in
the sunlight, getting a lot of sun exposure, both to the skin and
to the eyes. I think those are very important things to do to stay
healthy. All right, thank you very much. It's a pleasure. I'm
gonna have to have you back on some specifics that I couldn't cover this time.
But a fascinating work. And thank you for writing this book. Thank
you, thank you very much for doing disservice, appreciate it. We didn't
have time to get into all the disrupting properties of this lifeless say weed killer.
It is so toxic that it is a precursor for lots of cancers,
and we didn't even get into the cancers because it's kind of kind of a
downer, but most cancers take a long time to develop. If your system's
being stimulated in a negative fashion, if you are taking poisons slowly poisoning your
body and creating tumors. We don't really know for sure, but it's looking
like through studies that it's lethal. Life of state is lethal, and we
just don't need to have that. And if you've been eating fruits and vegetables
that are covered with it, you don't immediately get poisoned, but after a
period of time it begins to shift your shift you on a cellular level,
and you know you're having all of a sudden, you're having growths, you're
having organ problems, Organs shut down, and that's just a terrible way to
live and it should be outlawed. So and the way she described how it's
being covered up and protected by monsanto, it's just it's almost criminal and this
has always been a problem for me because if you go to Europe, a
lot of the pesticides are not allowed. Number one, GMOs are outlawed and
banned in France and in Germany, I think even in England now and we
should not be eating a produce that's created by GMOs. We just don't need
that. So it's a wake up call. It's a complete wake up call.
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which is kind of sad because that's a huge place. But in Yucatan,
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want to thank my guest today, doctor Stephanie Sinneth, discussing her book Toxic
Legacy. As always the team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster, and everyone
who makes this thing happen. You guys rock, all right, take care,
be well, and we will talk to you next time. So in