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Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my paranormal Closet where the stories in magic
take place. Today's guests are here to discuss an encounter one of them had
with Bigfoot in Mason County, Washington in the nineties. The author authored a
book loosely based on the encounter. Please join me in welcoming Tim and Joe
Moon. Hi, guys, thank you so much for joining me today.
Hey, how's it going. I don't know if either of you know it,
but I too, am an author and my more well known books are
based on true account haunting tales. And when I was writing Sussex County Hauntings
and Other Strange Phenomena. Most people don't realize that I added the other Strange
Phenomena chapters because the public came out of the woodwork with stories about Bigfoot sightings
in my community right here in High Point State Park in Sussex County where I
live, and the stories was so good and intriguing that I needed to find
a way to get them into a book about ghosts, and those stories continued
to come in with other hauntings books I wrote, and so I continued to
include them. And that was the same with UFOs, because how do you
squeeze UFOs into a ghostbook? Bone I added the other Strange phenomena chapter,
Why don't you go ahead, Joe and tell the listeners about what happened to
you back in the nineties with Bigfoot. Well, I was just up on
my property and I was by I have liked a between my house and a
trailer I had, and then there's a road going up and then it ends
right where a woodline is just a line of woods, and there's like a
power pool up there, and the roan just ends anyway. I was just
working on my trailer lights, I think I was at the time, and
because it's a long time ago, and I could just I was smelling this
weird, waffing smell of like it was like old matted dog or something.
It was just terrible, That's what I remember firstly. And the next thing
I know, I mean, I just I looked up and there's it was
just right there, right next to the telephone. Pole, and it started
to scream at me. It had just like howling yell and it was piercing
my ears. Even I hurt my ears, and it just I just looked
at it and I just ran towards my house. Did you think that it
just didn't know that you were there? Did you catch it off guard?
And how far away would you say? Distance wise? It was? Oh,
it had to be. I'm looking at it right now. It had
to be only about seventy I don't know, fifty yards. Oh wow,
yeah, And it was huge. It was huge, And I mean I
turned and ran and then I ran into my house and grabbed my chocuate is
right by the door, and I then I but I had the door closed,
but I had a window right I could look out right there. And
it just turned after it stopped screaming. It turned and just walked like took
three four steps and it was gone into the woods. And I was just
shaking. So, I mean, I don't know, it's I never saw
it again. I think I smelled it and heard it once one more time,
but it was It's just it's like a sight to behold, you know,
it was freak, won't freak anybody out it was big and Tim,
what prompted you to write a book specifically about this incident? Well, it's
not really, it just inspired ironically. I've been interested in this since I
was a kid, since I saw the creature from Bogdy Creek, which came
out in the seventies, I believe, and I had always just been interested
in on my own and looked in at it on my own. And then
one day Joe and I were working together, we were helping my uncle and
we I think Bigfoot. The finding Bigfoot came on and I asked him,
I said, what's the weirdest thing that ever happened to you? And then
he shared this story with me. And I had been thinking for a while
to use fiction as a way of maybe making the Bigfoot phenomenon more accessible to
people, because people like stories, and I saw a lot of nonfiction stuff
related to to Bigfoot, but I didn't see very much fiction stuff that I
thought, well, maybe it'd be fun to write a book and just make
the stories something and the character something that people related to. And and so
when he shared that story with me, I just thought, well, maybe
this is an opportunity to do that. And it's not really based on that,
although his house is the center of the action in Mason County, but
it is. It did inspire me to finally do it, and then it
took a few years to put it all together. I've never written a book,
so it was I had a lot to learn, and it took a
while to get motivated and work my way through all the things that you have
to work your way through as a new writer from scratch. I'm sure you
know what I'm talking about. You and I very similar, were both in
education. I'm in kindergarten. I've been writing since that was in the seventh
grade, and I wrote the first book, my very first book, which
was a psychological thriller, back before we had children. And then so it
took me like a year, and I felt so accomplished, right that I
got this done, and it was just kind of like, oh, it's
done, and then I put it up in the closet and forgot about it.
Raised my kids stay at home mom, and it wasn't until they were
full grown and I turned fifty. All right. A friend from high school
says to me he wrote a book, and I shared that I had as
well, and he said, well, what did you do with it.
I said, I haven't done anything. I said, you got to send
it to my publisher. And that was really like the kickstart for me writing
because once I started again, my kid's full grown out of the house,
both of them. Now I have time to really spend and do the writing
thing and kind of just threw myself in full force. But I never thought
I was going to take this turn and start writing about true account stuff because
like you, Joe, I'm sensitive to spirit and it just seems like we're
a magnet. We're like a magnet for this stuff, and I knew that
I had to do something with it, but I just never knew what it
was until it happened. Until I guess the universe provided the answer. But
yeah, it is. It is tough and getting regimented and finding the time,
but I finally found my joy. Well that's good. I like doing
it. It's a lot of work though it takes a lot of time,
so it does. I'm getting good reviews, people seem like it, and
I'm encouraged and self published it, so I'm still everything is up to me
to do everything. But I ended up going that route as well. If
I first started with the publisher, and it was more of a nuisance than
anything. So I finally broke away from the publisher and I self published as
well, and I've had much success doing that. I have more control over
what's mine and feel like that's a great route for you too. I think
maybe I can get some pointers from you sometimes. Okay, absolutely absolutely,
I would be happy to help you. But let's get back to this Bigfoot
thing. Do you guys believe those who think that there are hybrids of Bigfoot
having made it with humans, because I know there was a study done by
a doctor named Melba as Ketchum and her firm DNA Diagnostics not too long ago,
and they used so called real DNA samples which concluded that Bigfoot is indeed
a human hybrid that descended from human women who made it with men of unknown
and they called it like hominin species. I don't know if you heard anything
about that, but I know there's a lot of stuff going out there,
but i'd like your take on that. Well. I've studied that a little
bit. There's probably a chance that there's some human DNA in the the Bigfoot,
just because there has been mating between them and human females, but I'm
not sure it's between apes and human females. I don't think that would work.
So there must have been a close connection from the beginning if that is
in fact the case. And many of the Native Americans believe that they were
they were another tribe and they just in fact, I discussed that in the
book because there's a character in the book because Native American, and that they
just for some reason, they were a tribe of humans that didn't develop the
way the humans did. And I don't understand it all. There's a lot
usually when I there's a lot of more questions and answers when it comes to
this thing. But that's the way I feel about it too, just more
questions and answers there. If they do have human DNA, though, there's
some kind of connection, and some people think it's the nephelium connection. I'm
not sure about that. I just don't know for sure. But I don't
know. They're very strange, very big, very scary, and they just
very weird, way beyond what humans can do. So in some regard,
but we do things that they can't do. We think our mind is more
conceptual and we're able to use tools and stuff that they don't seem to know
how to use. So anyway, it's very intriguing. Well, what about
like you see orbs and people are saying they see orbs around them, or
they see them and then they disappear and they're just a bright light or something.
I've heard of that, and I think that's intriguing. You mean orbs
around just in general, orbs around or no people have been saying that they
see like bright lights when it's they're hearing a big foot or something. They
see like the light and going through the woods or something like that, and
then then they don't hear him no more. When I was writing the book
and I had the big foot chapters in there, there was one story about
a crashing of a ufo in Lake O'wassa in Sussex County, New Jersey.
And when that happened, I mean it was hushed by the government. The
family was told to keep quiet. In fact, the man who was a
child at the time, I believe it happened in the fifties. I can't
remember off the cuff, but I believe it happened in the fifties on his
farm, his family's farm, and he was a kid at the time,
and as he grew into adulthood, he didn't shut up about it. He
tried to tell everyone he could about what happened, even though the government wanted
them to shut up because they had taken something from his lake and with military
vehicles took it out covered and told them to tell nobody that anything like this
happened. And so when he passed away, his niece took on the task
of trying to tell everybody what happened on their farm that night. Coincidentally or
not, Right after that happened, they started having bitfoot sightings here in Sussex
County, and so people have naturally assumed that one went with the other,
that maybe whatever it was that crashed into the lake brought them here. So
that's I know, that's another idea, that it's the possibility that they're from
another planet and they came and they set and maybe that's the lights that are
associated with when you see them. I think, you don't know. If
you don't find your scat, you don't find their bones, you don't find
anything, you know, except their footprints. Right, we find footprints and
they have thermal ridges on them and stuff like that. That it would be
hard to fake. But I just they could be from another realm or another
another dimension or something like that, and they fade in and fade out.
That's why that's bright light or I mean, at this point, I would
believe in anything, but I've seen one, you know, so I know
they're there. And once you see it, you see it. You can't
take it back. You had mentioned something about how the bones have been discovered,
and I've spoken to somebody the other day about this same subject, and
he was saying, how if they traveled in family units and they were kind
of like a tribe, they buried, they're dead, and so maybe that's
a reason for us never unearthing their bones, because they're not just lying there
after they die. They're actually being buried. I've heard that. I heard
one story of a man who saw them bury one. Oh okay, but
I've only heard one, and so it's very possible they do. It's also
how many times have you been out in the woods hiking and found deer bones
or bare bones. You just it just doesn't happen. They deteriate very quickly,
and it's very rare, yere. No one ever says they don't believe
in bear because they haven't found a bear bones in the woods. I think
it's just because of how fast they move and how high they jump and how
strong they are. It just seems like they're kind of like Superman without Kryptonite.
Maybe they did come from another planet where there was higher gravity or stronger
gravity, and then they get here and they can do anything. There's no
there's no limitations. And I just wonder if maybe they are maybe they have
been transported here and dropped off and we've been around a long time. There's
kind of a lot of planets, a lot of a lot of stars,
a lot of galaxies, and tend to think we're the only ones in the
universe, you know, and that this is the only place in the universe.
Yeah, And I think that it's very likely they've been coming and going
from here. A lot of things have been coming and going from here for
a long time. So I met a guy and I was working for Stumps
and Jumor Company in the eighties one two, and a guy was telling me
he saw he I remembered his story. I was just a kid, but
he he was telling me he saw like a woman sasquat with two little ones
walking down, walking down, and just the old truck trail. Yeah,
I've heard that too. I've heard of them having smaller and yeah, I've
heard that too. The guy told me the story, and that just kind
of goes along with Yeah, you were saying something about young ones too,
So yeah, there's a couple of groups up here, and he's seen footprints
of both adults and younger ones. And I have two personal friends that have
had their own experiences. One he wrote his own book just like Tim wrote,
but his was based on the true account that he had with his family.
Actually his name is Andre. Another is a woman that I know,
but when I wrote her story in the book, she has me to change
her name because she didn't want anyone to think she was crazy that she had
this thing happened to her. So you got outside of the spectrum people that
don't care when anyone says I'm just going to tell you if you think I'm
crazy, I don't care, and the others that want to tell their story
but are afraid for, you know, the ridicule of the backlash that they
might get from telling their story. I didn't tell my story for a long
time. I'll tell you that I think that's probably mostly what happened to me.
Even with Andre, the same thing with him. He experienced it as
a child but didn't start talking about it until he got older. But ironically
enough so he is also sensitive to spirit. So it's just very strange how
people who have experiences such as this have that sensitivity. And I always wondered
why no one could ever get like a good camera shot of one until Andrea
got a great one. When he pulls over to the side of the road.
He and his wife and two daughters were driving in the car and his
wife sees this thing running in a field on a pretty desolate road. It's
at night, it's desolate, there's really nothing on it. During the day.
There are cars here and there, but not much. And she sees
it running in the field and she says, Andre, got to pull over.
I see a big foot running in the field. And he's like what,
and she's like yeah. So they pull over on the flour of them.
He and his two daughters and wife get out and they're standing on the
side of the road watching this thing run across the field and he takes out
the camera and he snaps away pictures. The odd thing about it is he
said that no one else stopped to look or take a picture. It was
as if no one even noticed. So strange, don't you think. I
know, modern technology and phones being in everybody's faces, But when I'm in
the passenger seat, especially if I'm on a country road where i can see
the beauty of the area around me, I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna
watch and look in the woods and observe. And that's different from me just
being on a highway stretchy, you know what I'm saying. So I was
really astonished when he said we were amazed standing there, like we're watching this
thing in the field, and nobody else sees it and pulls over to the
side of the road to check it out with us, which I thought was
strange. But he's also felt that this bigfoot thing that he had on his
property as a child tracks him because he's had more than one encounter with it.
He had, He's seen different pieces of information that have led him to
believe that it's on his property now. But he's also had a camping trip
where they were in their camper and their camper was taken by whatever force and
rocked with them in it, and I can imagine right, well, he's
terrified of it. Yeah, like you your shotgun. He wants nothing to
do with it, whereas other people have different views on it. But he's
very fearful of it, especially after this recent encounter which happened to think like
a year ago where they were camping, and yeah, he feared for his
children. He has two young daughters and they all experienced this together. And
I found that in search of years ago when we were kids, who remember
in search of with Lennard me boy, they had bigfoot and I remember them
talking about a case about a family who was camping and their camper got rocked
like that. And they're known for throwing rocks and knocking down trees and doing
a knocking sound and the scream. So I'm sure if you've been doing your
research you've heard all about this stuff too. Yeah, that's what they do.
They do that. We we were camping down by the Skolkhomas River and
we were it was it was still in the day and stuff. We were
just it was like the last day we were going to stay and uh,
some big huge it just cabooge. You know how how a big rock goes
into the river, it just kaboom. I mean it was so loud.
It must have been a huge rock. And we just we just said we're
at of here. We backed up our stuff and loved I mean, we
randomly can't pick up these big boulders and throw them. Yeah, you can't
do that. So we did back up and leave on that one. Yeah,
I don't blame you. What's the name of your book, It's Tomato
Fields, written in the Saturdays, before even people knew about Bigfoot, and
never even were big foot. In the whole book, it is there was
there used to dump sewage down there, just up up behind Joe's house,
and that suit, year after year after year, resulted in a lot of
vegetation growing, and there was a lot of tomatoes. So Joe referred to
it as the tomato fields, and that's where a lot of animals ate and
and so the whole thing revolves around that area, and we called it the
tomato Fields because Joe thought that was a good name for the area. And
it's a little bit, a little bit mysterious. So there's a certain time
of year when the tomatoes grow, they go big, and they just randomly
come back every year without anybody replanting anything. Huh yes, I mean it's
sewage, you know, so shan waste, so the seeds just go right
through you. But anyway, that's a huge me and Jim and Jim went
up there and investigated it. The field now and just grass because they stopped
dumping sewage because of environmental reasons quite a while ago. Now they have a
plant that does everything. So it's just a large field of grass, acres
and acres of grass. But at one point it was it was a bunch
of wild growing vegetables. So that's kind of how we we took it.
And I took it from there and just developed the characters. And it sounds
like it's a it's a good one. And if this is the place where
you had your encounter, would makes sense why it would go to this field
of vegetables. Yeah, that's the idea. So, and they probably do
eat a lot of vegetables in addition to here and other things. So,
and where can the public find your book tomatoes? Just look up Tomato Fields
all you can use my name if you want Tim Moon and Tomato Fields.
It'll come right up on Amazon. It's it's solely on Amazon right now.
Eventually I'll go a little wider and do it some other places as well,
but I don't think you'll have to. I'm telling you, I think Amazon
is the way to go. It's where everybody goes. Well that's why I
started there. So yeah. Way, it's easy to get. You can
get it in Kindle, you can get it in paperback, or you can
do kindall University if you if you're signed up to do that with Kindle,
and it'll come up right away. So I think you'll like it if you're
interested in this type of topic. It's kind of a thriller adventure. It's
a little bit like Jaws in the Forest. Yeah, okay, well that's
Are you going to stay in the genre when you're writing? Are you going
to kind of take mystical preachers? Yeah? I would like to. I'd
like to expand on it. I'm doing it looking into another one now with
a series, making miss a series, so and I also will probably do
some nonfiction stuff too, un mystical issues. So that's what happened to me.
The same thing happened I was writing my second psychological thriller, and I
was in the middle of writing that, I was at a writing group and
everybody just was tossing ideas around, and then the whole idea of haunting books
came because I love to buy true ghost stories when I'm traveling, and that
stuff I do too. And my favorite place in New Jersey where I live
is Cape May, New Jersey. When we visit the shore, I go
to kpe Bates. It's like stepping back in time and they always have the
latest book on the hauntings in the area, and I would always pick it
up. And I said to myself, well, I used to own a
haunted antique shop in Sussex, so I know this area is haunted. And
I kind of put it out on social media to put feelers out and see
if anybody responded. And I got such an overwhelming response to people wanting to
talk about their ghost stories, and obviously that it was the big Foot in
the UFO stories too, So that's how it started. So I've gone on
this tangent and I'm still working on that psychological thriller, but it's slow moving
because everybody wants more of the true ghost stories. They want more of those
books, yep. So I'm going with what they're looking for. It and
I mean it's led to a whole new journey for me. So you'll find
that that I'll probably end up being for you two. You might go on
a big Foot expedition before you know it. Well, actually, there's there's
guys that have offered to take me out here in places in Texas where people
don't want to go. So I'm probably gonna go. And so this might
be the last time you hear from me. You better take your gun,
Jim. Yeah, but anyway, there's there is some places in Texas where
it's scary. Oh. I was going to say something when you were talking
about ghosts. Oh, yeah, we got to talk about ghosts because Joe
has a great ghost story. So I was gonna Yeah, you were talking
about the home that you grew up and being haunted. That's what happened to
me. I was I was a kid, and my mom used to watch
In Search of and buy all of the magazines and stuff, but we never
really talked about that sort of thing. In my family. There's only one
other person that I know that had their own experiences seeing ghosts, so it
wasn't like it ran in the family. That happens in most cases, And
I don't know about you, Tim. I know Joe is very sensitive.
Are you sensitive at all? I mean you've had ufhoe encounters, but I
don't know one UFO encounter that I saw. And then I had times when
I heard what we thought, where was the ghost in our house as a
kid, But Joe actually saw it. He saw a couple other things.
So I'm gonna let him. And he had a great story of this thing
flying over his head. So are better back and let you talk to Joe?
Okay, please do shit. Well, anyway, we it was a
long, long time ago when I was a kid and we were living in
the house on Magnoia and that's in Seattle, and it's an old house.
I think, what what year was it to him? Built nineteen hundreds or
something something like, probably the thirties, something like that. I can only
guess. I think it was. I think it was older. That's I
think I think it was like that. Anyway, one one time I was
sitting at at the front of the TV. We were watching cartoons and stuff
like that or something like that, or but my mom was there and they
were just like, all of a sudden, it's like a centerpiece. It
was on the mantel. It just kind of lifted up and floated out over
the hearth. It's a big mantele and in fireplace and the fire was going
and it just dropped and broke and shattered and we were just like dumbfounded.
I'll never forget that, and uh, my mom, I'm anyway, we
knew we had a ghost then, and uh, I was that was amazing
to see that. And then I, uh, it was really early in
the morning one one morning and my dad I saw him walk into the bathroom
and then there was this shadow figure of a little boy walking right pretty much
behind him that went into there and right behind him. So I ran in
there looking for that little boy and there was no one in there, and
a shadow figure like a little Yeah, it looked it looked like a little
boy pretty much, oh okay, or a full blown apparition like it was
an actual pretty much. It's like, but you could see through it a
little bit. It was. But that's what I remember. I mean,
it's a long time ago, but I remember running in there and being pissed
off because who's this kid? You know, I want to be with my
dad. That's exactly what I remember, you know, at the time,
and uh, there other things in the house. I mean like they're pots
and pans and Washington dryer would go on. Uh like the with the electronics,
yeah, or just stuff like that and still would go on. We'd
find it on in the morning or something. Oh boy, And uh so
I my mom found with records or what do you call that, tim She
went down town or something and found out historical records. Yeah, yeah,
see it. She and a couple other people had played with Auiji board and
found and I'm not endorsing that, by the way, I would discourage that,
but I was a kid. I had nothing to do with it.
She decided to do that, and they found out the name of a little
boy who had died there. That's what they determined. So she went down
to the county the city records and said she located it and found that it
was true. So we were just kids, so we just took it for
granted that that was the case. And what we call the wold we call
it again Joe Harvey or something like that. Harvey. I think we called
it Harvey, but it was not that it was it was just there was
a name, but I can't remember it, but I can't remember it either.
He did fall down this cement steps in our back yard. There were
cement steps they went down from the yard down to the street, and he
fell down them and they picked him up and they brought him into the house
and he died. Me confirmation of that, I saw a little boy.
I'm pretty sure that's a little boy I saw in that house. So that's
the house was on it for sure. Do you know who owns the house?
Now? No, I've I've gone by the house because I work over
there, so I did. I drove. I go by once in a
while. I don't live there, so I go by if I go to
Seattle and I can, I'd like to go see it because it was fun
to live in that neighborhood. And I did walk up and knock on the
door one time, and the guy came to the door, and I was
a stranger, and I asked him if he ever saw anythings strange in the
house, told him we lived there as kids, and he wasn't that interesting
talking to me. Yeah, And I wouldn't see why. I probably wouldn't
be either if some stranger or started asking me questions. So I just said,
okay, thank you, and I left, but different world. We
never had anything follow us from there. As soon as we left, experience
stopped. And it may have just been because we were little kids, and
it was a little kid that there was, and they was trying to yeah,
yeah, because children are very receptive to spirit. I was writing the
third book and I was getting a pedicure and talking to my daughter about giving
her an update because we were getting pedigrest together, and the nail technicians sitting
there and she's going, oh, that's you. You wrote that book,
and I'm like, yeah, she could. Oh my gosh, I have
a story to tell yourself. She tells me about this house that she and
her boyfriend rented and it's in Lafayette, New Jersey, and she said,
the whole time that they lived there, it was horrible experience for them.
They had emotional issues, mood issues, you know, things were going on
in the house. But whatever it was, it was affecting their relationship.
And she said, and we're all intents and purposes, relationship was great.
We never had any problems until we moved into that house. And then she
said, as soon as we left that house, everything was back to normal
again with us. She said, it was the strangest thing. So I
said, oh, there's a story in there. I got to see if
I can find out any more else about stories similar from that home. I
posted on social media and this guy suits out to me, and you could
tell he was freaking out. Oh my gosh, I have a story to
tell you, and so he pretty much tells me a similar story that she
did that. I almost thought, well, is this her boyfriend? And
I asked him his name, and he was a totally different guy with a
totally different woman, and they had two kids that were living there with them
going through the same thing. When they lived in that house, it affected
their moods and created fights and all this other stuff was going on. So
I said, wow, that is crazy. But then I get this message
from somebody that saw the post, and she said, I lived in that
house for thirty years with my husband and three children, and we loved the
spirits that were run that house. So I thought, wow, this is
crazy. Cool. So she says, yeah, we lived there and we
knew the spirits in the One particular spirit that interacted with us was a woman
who lived there in eighteen hundreds and she was struck by lightning when she was
hanging her clothes on a metal line out in the backyard. So she was
wanting the house, and she said, and when we were ready to retire
and leave the home, we told the spirit, we're really sorry, but
we're downsizing and we're moving. And the last day in the home, when
they were sleeping, she was so upset the spirit shook their bed. So
I guess after that, the new people that they sold the house to were
not receptive to ghosts in spirits, and they were in denial, and so
I guess that's probably not a good thing to do, be in denial and
ignorant, because the spirit was not happy. And the people who bought the
house decided to live in a trailer outside on the property and rent the house
out. So after that, everybody that they rented it out didn't stay for
very long because all this negative stuff started happening. So when they finally decide,
when they finally decide to sell the house, the real Attorne does not
want anyone to know that it's haunted. And I tried reaching out to her,
and she wanted nothing to do with me. And she went to the
other name or across the street and said don't talk to that lady. I
don't want anyone knowing the house is haunted. So she sells the home because
in New Jersey there's no law that we have to reveal to anybody's house is
wanted. She sells the home to a young family, and this woman,
you know, she ultimately says to me, she didn't want me to write
the story, So well, I'm going to write the story. I'm just
not going to tell anybody the address of the home because I'll change the names
and everything. But I have the accounts from the people who lived there for
thirty years, and I have the accounts of two people that live there.
And whether you're experiencing something or not, I don't care. Your name is
not in the book. But that's that's how I left off with her.
But yeah, I'm really curious to know if they're having issues in their house
that they moved in there. That's a good story. Who knows, Yeah,
good one. Yeah, yeah, And you know, maybe maybe now
because there's a young family in there with children and it's the family unit again,
maybe the spirit's going to be happy. But yeah, I'm hoping that
they're going to be receptive to her spirit because if they're not, then the
ship's going to hit the fan with them, there's no doubt. Yeah,
um, or maybe it will even get out of here and go home or
something. Would you would? I think I think she's just kind of I
think because of the tragic Yea death she experienced, she is there and until
somebody has the opportunity to explain that to her, she could leave and she
could be reunited with her husband because this was in the eighteen hundreds, you
know, and her family. They kind gets kind of stuck. And I
don't like to use that word, but it's kind of what happens if you
hit by lightning, you know, and you're just hanging your clothes, all
of a sudden you're dead. That's just that's terrible. You're probably stuck,
yeah, and you don't want to go. You don't want to believe you're
dead, right, and everything changes around you and you confused. It must
be very confusing. Yeah, So we'll tell them about your one in your
house now, Joe, Oh yeah, a punt ther house now, well,
I just I just we have like a shadow figure. A long story
short. When I bought the house, I found out somebody killed themselves in
the master bedroom. And the guy told me he was an avid bowler and
they put his bowling ball on the corner of the house and he said,
we never moved the bowling ball. So I never have. But I've seen
his shadow peek around the corners and stuff like that, and it's it is
very scary to see that. But I'm not scared of it. I do,
but I do see him sometimes, but I'm never gonna move that bowling
ball. I don't blame Yeah, I think someone kind of moved it when
we were painting or something. Then we saw him a couple of times.
I mean he came, we were having dinner out in the living room and
he's peeled poking around and anyway, it's scary when you see it, you
know, it just happens in a flash and stuff. But I don't go
looking for it. I'm not a ghost I'm not a ghost owner. I'm
our carpenter, you know. Anyway, I'm just telling you. And then
my girlfriend says, he sees it with a top hat on sometimes really yeah,
putting it And it may not it may not be that guy that committed
suicide. It may not start with the hat. Yeah, she might be
seen a whole other thing, and I just thought, I don't want no
part of that, you know what I'm saying. I've been here a long
time in this house, and I liked this house. And like I said,
I'm never going to move that bowling ball. It was scary at first,
but I'm not scared of it now. But it is here. So
that's the only thing. I mean. Maybe maybe I've heard like a door
slam once in a while, but that's a long time. It hasn't done
that in a long long time. As long as you know you can live
in in peace and harmony with it, I'm sure it's fine, you know.
And if it starts to act up, and you can always communicate to
it that you know, you just want to keep the house really nice.
Oh yeah, in their space. I think I've done that one time before.
I say, hey man, it's all good, let's keep it that
way, you know. I think I had a little couple words with it.
So yeah, now that that's good. That then they know you don't
mean to take their space a harm them in any way, and you're acknowledging
them. That's very helpful. Yeah, And if it was if it was
an angry spirit. If he was a mean spirit, you would have known
it already. Believe me, I think so, yeah, no doubt,
yeah yeah, but yeah, well, guys, this was this, This
was so much fun. I really enjoyed this conversation and I loved hearing about
your book Tomato Fields. I'll yeah, okay, I'll put the link in
in the the footage of the blurb on the show. But I really appreciate
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