1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,440 Hello world. You're listening to Eleanor Wagner's Strange and Scary World here on the 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,320 Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're always creeping it real. I'm your host, 3 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:18,039 Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to my paranormal Closet where the stories in magic 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,079 take place. Today's guests are here to discuss an encounter one of them had 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,280 with Bigfoot in Mason County, Washington in the nineties. The author authored a 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,359 book loosely based on the encounter. Please join me in welcoming Tim and Joe 7 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:36,320 Moon. Hi, guys, thank you so much for joining me today. 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,359 Hey, how's it going. I don't know if either of you know it, 9 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:45,880 but I too, am an author and my more well known books are 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,840 based on true account haunting tales. And when I was writing Sussex County Hauntings 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,679 and Other Strange Phenomena. Most people don't realize that I added the other Strange 12 00:00:55,719 --> 00:01:02,520 Phenomena chapters because the public came out of the woodwork with stories about Bigfoot sightings 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,560 in my community right here in High Point State Park in Sussex County where I 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,719 live, and the stories was so good and intriguing that I needed to find 15 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:15,400 a way to get them into a book about ghosts, and those stories continued 16 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:19,959 to come in with other hauntings books I wrote, and so I continued to 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,040 include them. And that was the same with UFOs, because how do you 18 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:27,760 squeeze UFOs into a ghostbook? Bone I added the other Strange phenomena chapter, 19 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:33,359 Why don't you go ahead, Joe and tell the listeners about what happened to 20 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:41,079 you back in the nineties with Bigfoot. Well, I was just up on 21 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:48,359 my property and I was by I have liked a between my house and a 22 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:56,079 trailer I had, and then there's a road going up and then it ends 23 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:02,079 right where a woodline is just a line of woods, and there's like a 24 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,560 power pool up there, and the roan just ends anyway. I was just 25 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:14,280 working on my trailer lights, I think I was at the time, and 26 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:19,319 because it's a long time ago, and I could just I was smelling this 27 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,120 weird, waffing smell of like it was like old matted dog or something. 28 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:31,439 It was just terrible, That's what I remember firstly. And the next thing 29 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:37,599 I know, I mean, I just I looked up and there's it was 30 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,000 just right there, right next to the telephone. Pole, and it started 31 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:47,639 to scream at me. It had just like howling yell and it was piercing 32 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,560 my ears. Even I hurt my ears, and it just I just looked 33 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:57,840 at it and I just ran towards my house. Did you think that it 34 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,000 just didn't know that you were there? Did you catch it off guard? 35 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:05,319 And how far away would you say? Distance wise? It was? Oh, 36 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:12,960 it had to be. I'm looking at it right now. It had 37 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:19,240 to be only about seventy I don't know, fifty yards. Oh wow, 38 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:23,439 yeah, And it was huge. It was huge, And I mean I 39 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,159 turned and ran and then I ran into my house and grabbed my chocuate is 40 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,919 right by the door, and I then I but I had the door closed, 41 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,520 but I had a window right I could look out right there. And 42 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:42,759 it just turned after it stopped screaming. It turned and just walked like took 43 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,520 three four steps and it was gone into the woods. And I was just 44 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:52,240 shaking. So, I mean, I don't know, it's I never saw 45 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,439 it again. I think I smelled it and heard it once one more time, 46 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:03,960 but it was It's just it's like a sight to behold, you know, 47 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:12,919 it was freak, won't freak anybody out it was big and Tim, 48 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,720 what prompted you to write a book specifically about this incident? Well, it's 49 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:21,040 not really, it just inspired ironically. I've been interested in this since I 50 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:27,240 was a kid, since I saw the creature from Bogdy Creek, which came 51 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,319 out in the seventies, I believe, and I had always just been interested 52 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,000 in on my own and looked in at it on my own. And then 53 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,000 one day Joe and I were working together, we were helping my uncle and 54 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,439 we I think Bigfoot. The finding Bigfoot came on and I asked him, 55 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,279 I said, what's the weirdest thing that ever happened to you? And then 56 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:55,199 he shared this story with me. And I had been thinking for a while 57 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:03,560 to use fiction as a way of maybe making the Bigfoot phenomenon more accessible to 58 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:10,160 people, because people like stories, and I saw a lot of nonfiction stuff 59 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,560 related to to Bigfoot, but I didn't see very much fiction stuff that I 60 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,199 thought, well, maybe it'd be fun to write a book and just make 61 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:25,360 the stories something and the character something that people related to. And and so 62 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,160 when he shared that story with me, I just thought, well, maybe 63 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:31,759 this is an opportunity to do that. And it's not really based on that, 64 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:38,319 although his house is the center of the action in Mason County, but 65 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:42,240 it is. It did inspire me to finally do it, and then it 66 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,439 took a few years to put it all together. I've never written a book, 67 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,680 so it was I had a lot to learn, and it took a 68 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,680 while to get motivated and work my way through all the things that you have 69 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:02,279 to work your way through as a new writer from scratch. I'm sure you 70 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:05,360 know what I'm talking about. You and I very similar, were both in 71 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:11,000 education. I'm in kindergarten. I've been writing since that was in the seventh 72 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,480 grade, and I wrote the first book, my very first book, which 73 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:18,240 was a psychological thriller, back before we had children. And then so it 74 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,399 took me like a year, and I felt so accomplished, right that I 75 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:25,519 got this done, and it was just kind of like, oh, it's 76 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,720 done, and then I put it up in the closet and forgot about it. 77 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,199 Raised my kids stay at home mom, and it wasn't until they were 78 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:36,959 full grown and I turned fifty. All right. A friend from high school 79 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:42,160 says to me he wrote a book, and I shared that I had as 80 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,759 well, and he said, well, what did you do with it. 81 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,000 I said, I haven't done anything. I said, you got to send 82 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,120 it to my publisher. And that was really like the kickstart for me writing 83 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,120 because once I started again, my kid's full grown out of the house, 84 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,879 both of them. Now I have time to really spend and do the writing 85 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:00,639 thing and kind of just threw myself in full force. But I never thought 86 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:03,720 I was going to take this turn and start writing about true account stuff because 87 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:08,639 like you, Joe, I'm sensitive to spirit and it just seems like we're 88 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,879 a magnet. We're like a magnet for this stuff, and I knew that 89 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:15,759 I had to do something with it, but I just never knew what it 90 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:21,120 was until it happened. Until I guess the universe provided the answer. But 91 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:26,160 yeah, it is. It is tough and getting regimented and finding the time, 92 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:31,319 but I finally found my joy. Well that's good. I like doing 93 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,959 it. It's a lot of work though it takes a lot of time, 94 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:41,600 so it does. I'm getting good reviews, people seem like it, and 95 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,639 I'm encouraged and self published it, so I'm still everything is up to me 96 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,439 to do everything. But I ended up going that route as well. If 97 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:53,560 I first started with the publisher, and it was more of a nuisance than 98 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,480 anything. So I finally broke away from the publisher and I self published as 99 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:01,360 well, and I've had much success doing that. I have more control over 100 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:07,800 what's mine and feel like that's a great route for you too. I think 101 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:13,439 maybe I can get some pointers from you sometimes. Okay, absolutely absolutely, 102 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,439 I would be happy to help you. But let's get back to this Bigfoot 103 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:22,279 thing. Do you guys believe those who think that there are hybrids of Bigfoot 104 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,120 having made it with humans, because I know there was a study done by 105 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:31,360 a doctor named Melba as Ketchum and her firm DNA Diagnostics not too long ago, 106 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:37,039 and they used so called real DNA samples which concluded that Bigfoot is indeed 107 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,360 a human hybrid that descended from human women who made it with men of unknown 108 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,879 and they called it like hominin species. I don't know if you heard anything 109 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:48,200 about that, but I know there's a lot of stuff going out there, 110 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:54,000 but i'd like your take on that. Well. I've studied that a little 111 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,639 bit. There's probably a chance that there's some human DNA in the the Bigfoot, 112 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,360 just because there has been mating between them and human females, but I'm 113 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,440 not sure it's between apes and human females. I don't think that would work. 114 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:16,600 So there must have been a close connection from the beginning if that is 115 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,679 in fact the case. And many of the Native Americans believe that they were 116 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,919 they were another tribe and they just in fact, I discussed that in the 117 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,919 book because there's a character in the book because Native American, and that they 118 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:37,039 just for some reason, they were a tribe of humans that didn't develop the 119 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,279 way the humans did. And I don't understand it all. There's a lot 120 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,240 usually when I there's a lot of more questions and answers when it comes to 121 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:52,200 this thing. But that's the way I feel about it too, just more 122 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:56,639 questions and answers there. If they do have human DNA, though, there's 123 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:03,240 some kind of connection, and some people think it's the nephelium connection. I'm 124 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,960 not sure about that. I just don't know for sure. But I don't 125 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,080 know. They're very strange, very big, very scary, and they just 126 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,120 very weird, way beyond what humans can do. So in some regard, 127 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,799 but we do things that they can't do. We think our mind is more 128 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,639 conceptual and we're able to use tools and stuff that they don't seem to know 129 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:33,399 how to use. So anyway, it's very intriguing. Well, what about 130 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:39,919 like you see orbs and people are saying they see orbs around them, or 131 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,360 they see them and then they disappear and they're just a bright light or something. 132 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:50,480 I've heard of that, and I think that's intriguing. You mean orbs 133 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:58,120 around just in general, orbs around or no people have been saying that they 134 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,879 see like bright lights when it's they're hearing a big foot or something. They 135 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,039 see like the light and going through the woods or something like that, and 136 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,240 then then they don't hear him no more. When I was writing the book 137 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,679 and I had the big foot chapters in there, there was one story about 138 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:18,600 a crashing of a ufo in Lake O'wassa in Sussex County, New Jersey. 139 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,360 And when that happened, I mean it was hushed by the government. The 140 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,080 family was told to keep quiet. In fact, the man who was a 141 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:28,679 child at the time, I believe it happened in the fifties. I can't 142 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,559 remember off the cuff, but I believe it happened in the fifties on his 143 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:35,279 farm, his family's farm, and he was a kid at the time, 144 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,480 and as he grew into adulthood, he didn't shut up about it. He 145 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:43,279 tried to tell everyone he could about what happened, even though the government wanted 146 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,919 them to shut up because they had taken something from his lake and with military 147 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,639 vehicles took it out covered and told them to tell nobody that anything like this 148 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,320 happened. And so when he passed away, his niece took on the task 149 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:03,759 of trying to tell everybody what happened on their farm that night. Coincidentally or 150 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,440 not, Right after that happened, they started having bitfoot sightings here in Sussex 151 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:13,240 County, and so people have naturally assumed that one went with the other, 152 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,440 that maybe whatever it was that crashed into the lake brought them here. So 153 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,200 that's I know, that's another idea, that it's the possibility that they're from 154 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,159 another planet and they came and they set and maybe that's the lights that are 155 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:31,039 associated with when you see them. I think, you don't know. If 156 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,879 you don't find your scat, you don't find their bones, you don't find 157 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,000 anything, you know, except their footprints. Right, we find footprints and 158 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,720 they have thermal ridges on them and stuff like that. That it would be 159 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:52,159 hard to fake. But I just they could be from another realm or another 160 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,440 another dimension or something like that, and they fade in and fade out. 161 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,120 That's why that's bright light or I mean, at this point, I would 162 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:07,360 believe in anything, but I've seen one, you know, so I know 163 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,200 they're there. And once you see it, you see it. You can't 164 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:18,120 take it back. You had mentioned something about how the bones have been discovered, 165 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,080 and I've spoken to somebody the other day about this same subject, and 166 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,519 he was saying, how if they traveled in family units and they were kind 167 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:31,240 of like a tribe, they buried, they're dead, and so maybe that's 168 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:37,279 a reason for us never unearthing their bones, because they're not just lying there 169 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:43,000 after they die. They're actually being buried. I've heard that. I heard 170 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:48,279 one story of a man who saw them bury one. Oh okay, but 171 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,080 I've only heard one, and so it's very possible they do. It's also 172 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,679 how many times have you been out in the woods hiking and found deer bones 173 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:03,559 or bare bones. You just it just doesn't happen. They deteriate very quickly, 174 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,840 and it's very rare, yere. No one ever says they don't believe 175 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:11,200 in bear because they haven't found a bear bones in the woods. I think 176 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,799 it's just because of how fast they move and how high they jump and how 177 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:24,159 strong they are. It just seems like they're kind of like Superman without Kryptonite. 178 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,039 Maybe they did come from another planet where there was higher gravity or stronger 179 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,720 gravity, and then they get here and they can do anything. There's no 180 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:39,279 there's no limitations. And I just wonder if maybe they are maybe they have 181 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:46,600 been transported here and dropped off and we've been around a long time. There's 182 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,399 kind of a lot of planets, a lot of a lot of stars, 183 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,559 a lot of galaxies, and tend to think we're the only ones in the 184 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,960 universe, you know, and that this is the only place in the universe. 185 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,879 Yeah, And I think that it's very likely they've been coming and going 186 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,919 from here. A lot of things have been coming and going from here for 187 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,039 a long time. So I met a guy and I was working for Stumps 188 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:15,639 and Jumor Company in the eighties one two, and a guy was telling me 189 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:20,320 he saw he I remembered his story. I was just a kid, but 190 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:28,320 he he was telling me he saw like a woman sasquat with two little ones 191 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:35,720 walking down, walking down, and just the old truck trail. Yeah, 192 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:39,159 I've heard that too. I've heard of them having smaller and yeah, I've 193 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,159 heard that too. The guy told me the story, and that just kind 194 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,440 of goes along with Yeah, you were saying something about young ones too, 195 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:54,039 So yeah, there's a couple of groups up here, and he's seen footprints 196 00:15:54,039 --> 00:16:02,320 of both adults and younger ones. And I have two personal friends that have 197 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:07,440 had their own experiences. One he wrote his own book just like Tim wrote, 198 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:10,480 but his was based on the true account that he had with his family. 199 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:14,879 Actually his name is Andre. Another is a woman that I know, 200 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 but when I wrote her story in the book, she has me to change 201 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,120 her name because she didn't want anyone to think she was crazy that she had 202 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:25,320 this thing happened to her. So you got outside of the spectrum people that 203 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:26,919 don't care when anyone says I'm just going to tell you if you think I'm 204 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,639 crazy, I don't care, and the others that want to tell their story 205 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:33,960 but are afraid for, you know, the ridicule of the backlash that they 206 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,320 might get from telling their story. I didn't tell my story for a long 207 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,360 time. I'll tell you that I think that's probably mostly what happened to me. 208 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:47,200 Even with Andre, the same thing with him. He experienced it as 209 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,159 a child but didn't start talking about it until he got older. But ironically 210 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,720 enough so he is also sensitive to spirit. So it's just very strange how 211 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:04,440 people who have experiences such as this have that sensitivity. And I always wondered 212 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,400 why no one could ever get like a good camera shot of one until Andrea 213 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,720 got a great one. When he pulls over to the side of the road. 214 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:15,400 He and his wife and two daughters were driving in the car and his 215 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:21,599 wife sees this thing running in a field on a pretty desolate road. It's 216 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,279 at night, it's desolate, there's really nothing on it. During the day. 217 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,279 There are cars here and there, but not much. And she sees 218 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,240 it running in the field and she says, Andre, got to pull over. 219 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,920 I see a big foot running in the field. And he's like what, 220 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,440 and she's like yeah. So they pull over on the flour of them. 221 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,440 He and his two daughters and wife get out and they're standing on the 222 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,559 side of the road watching this thing run across the field and he takes out 223 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:51,200 the camera and he snaps away pictures. The odd thing about it is he 224 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:55,640 said that no one else stopped to look or take a picture. It was 225 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,640 as if no one even noticed. So strange, don't you think. I 226 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:04,039 know, modern technology and phones being in everybody's faces, But when I'm in 227 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:11,880 the passenger seat, especially if I'm on a country road where i can see 228 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,799 the beauty of the area around me, I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna 229 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:19,519 watch and look in the woods and observe. And that's different from me just 230 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,119 being on a highway stretchy, you know what I'm saying. So I was 231 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,880 really astonished when he said we were amazed standing there, like we're watching this 232 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,240 thing in the field, and nobody else sees it and pulls over to the 233 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:33,279 side of the road to check it out with us, which I thought was 234 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:40,920 strange. But he's also felt that this bigfoot thing that he had on his 235 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,200 property as a child tracks him because he's had more than one encounter with it. 236 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:53,799 He had, He's seen different pieces of information that have led him to 237 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:59,920 believe that it's on his property now. But he's also had a camping trip 238 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:07,000 where they were in their camper and their camper was taken by whatever force and 239 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:15,559 rocked with them in it, and I can imagine right, well, he's 240 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,759 terrified of it. Yeah, like you your shotgun. He wants nothing to 241 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:23,559 do with it, whereas other people have different views on it. But he's 242 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,240 very fearful of it, especially after this recent encounter which happened to think like 243 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,000 a year ago where they were camping, and yeah, he feared for his 244 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:34,559 children. He has two young daughters and they all experienced this together. And 245 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,839 I found that in search of years ago when we were kids, who remember 246 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,519 in search of with Lennard me boy, they had bigfoot and I remember them 247 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,200 talking about a case about a family who was camping and their camper got rocked 248 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:53,960 like that. And they're known for throwing rocks and knocking down trees and doing 249 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,799 a knocking sound and the scream. So I'm sure if you've been doing your 250 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:02,319 research you've heard all about this stuff too. Yeah, that's what they do. 251 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,559 They do that. We we were camping down by the Skolkhomas River and 252 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:11,759 we were it was it was still in the day and stuff. We were 253 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:18,000 just it was like the last day we were going to stay and uh, 254 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,920 some big huge it just cabooge. You know how how a big rock goes 255 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,480 into the river, it just kaboom. I mean it was so loud. 256 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:33,000 It must have been a huge rock. And we just we just said we're 257 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:37,240 at of here. We backed up our stuff and loved I mean, we 258 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:45,359 randomly can't pick up these big boulders and throw them. Yeah, you can't 259 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,519 do that. So we did back up and leave on that one. Yeah, 260 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:53,920 I don't blame you. What's the name of your book, It's Tomato 261 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,359 Fields, written in the Saturdays, before even people knew about Bigfoot, and 262 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,880 never even were big foot. In the whole book, it is there was 263 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,039 there used to dump sewage down there, just up up behind Joe's house, 264 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:12,079 and that suit, year after year after year, resulted in a lot of 265 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:18,960 vegetation growing, and there was a lot of tomatoes. So Joe referred to 266 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,920 it as the tomato fields, and that's where a lot of animals ate and 267 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,039 and so the whole thing revolves around that area, and we called it the 268 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:33,440 tomato Fields because Joe thought that was a good name for the area. And 269 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:40,799 it's a little bit, a little bit mysterious. So there's a certain time 270 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:45,319 of year when the tomatoes grow, they go big, and they just randomly 271 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:52,559 come back every year without anybody replanting anything. Huh yes, I mean it's 272 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,000 sewage, you know, so shan waste, so the seeds just go right 273 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:03,880 through you. But anyway, that's a huge me and Jim and Jim went 274 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,559 up there and investigated it. The field now and just grass because they stopped 275 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,119 dumping sewage because of environmental reasons quite a while ago. Now they have a 276 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,720 plant that does everything. So it's just a large field of grass, acres 277 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,279 and acres of grass. But at one point it was it was a bunch 278 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:26,000 of wild growing vegetables. So that's kind of how we we took it. 279 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:33,000 And I took it from there and just developed the characters. And it sounds 280 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,079 like it's a it's a good one. And if this is the place where 281 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,119 you had your encounter, would makes sense why it would go to this field 282 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,920 of vegetables. Yeah, that's the idea. So, and they probably do 283 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:51,759 eat a lot of vegetables in addition to here and other things. So, 284 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:57,960 and where can the public find your book tomatoes? Just look up Tomato Fields 285 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,680 all you can use my name if you want Tim Moon and Tomato Fields. 286 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,000 It'll come right up on Amazon. It's it's solely on Amazon right now. 287 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:14,160 Eventually I'll go a little wider and do it some other places as well, 288 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,920 but I don't think you'll have to. I'm telling you, I think Amazon 289 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,039 is the way to go. It's where everybody goes. Well that's why I 290 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,960 started there. So yeah. Way, it's easy to get. You can 291 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,920 get it in Kindle, you can get it in paperback, or you can 292 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,400 do kindall University if you if you're signed up to do that with Kindle, 293 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,759 and it'll come up right away. So I think you'll like it if you're 294 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:41,559 interested in this type of topic. It's kind of a thriller adventure. It's 295 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:47,359 a little bit like Jaws in the Forest. Yeah, okay, well that's 296 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,160 Are you going to stay in the genre when you're writing? Are you going 297 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,559 to kind of take mystical preachers? Yeah? I would like to. I'd 298 00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,640 like to expand on it. I'm doing it looking into another one now with 299 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,960 a series, making miss a series, so and I also will probably do 300 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:12,119 some nonfiction stuff too, un mystical issues. So that's what happened to me. 301 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,799 The same thing happened I was writing my second psychological thriller, and I 302 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:19,119 was in the middle of writing that, I was at a writing group and 303 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,480 everybody just was tossing ideas around, and then the whole idea of haunting books 304 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:30,559 came because I love to buy true ghost stories when I'm traveling, and that 305 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,240 stuff I do too. And my favorite place in New Jersey where I live 306 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,240 is Cape May, New Jersey. When we visit the shore, I go 307 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,400 to kpe Bates. It's like stepping back in time and they always have the 308 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,279 latest book on the hauntings in the area, and I would always pick it 309 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,400 up. And I said to myself, well, I used to own a 310 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,480 haunted antique shop in Sussex, so I know this area is haunted. And 311 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,160 I kind of put it out on social media to put feelers out and see 312 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:59,839 if anybody responded. And I got such an overwhelming response to people wanting to 313 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,680 talk about their ghost stories, and obviously that it was the big Foot in 314 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,079 the UFO stories too, So that's how it started. So I've gone on 315 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,039 this tangent and I'm still working on that psychological thriller, but it's slow moving 316 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,000 because everybody wants more of the true ghost stories. They want more of those 317 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,799 books, yep. So I'm going with what they're looking for. It and 318 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:23,119 I mean it's led to a whole new journey for me. So you'll find 319 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,440 that that I'll probably end up being for you two. You might go on 320 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,759 a big Foot expedition before you know it. Well, actually, there's there's 321 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:36,240 guys that have offered to take me out here in places in Texas where people 322 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,920 don't want to go. So I'm probably gonna go. And so this might 323 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,559 be the last time you hear from me. You better take your gun, 324 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:52,960 Jim. Yeah, but anyway, there's there is some places in Texas where 325 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,680 it's scary. Oh. I was going to say something when you were talking 326 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,319 about ghosts. Oh, yeah, we got to talk about ghosts because Joe 327 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,960 has a great ghost story. So I was gonna Yeah, you were talking 328 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 about the home that you grew up and being haunted. That's what happened to 329 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,440 me. I was I was a kid, and my mom used to watch 330 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,480 In Search of and buy all of the magazines and stuff, but we never 331 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,559 really talked about that sort of thing. In my family. There's only one 332 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:21,319 other person that I know that had their own experiences seeing ghosts, so it 333 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,079 wasn't like it ran in the family. That happens in most cases, And 334 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,400 I don't know about you, Tim. I know Joe is very sensitive. 335 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,599 Are you sensitive at all? I mean you've had ufhoe encounters, but I 336 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:40,039 don't know one UFO encounter that I saw. And then I had times when 337 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:45,519 I heard what we thought, where was the ghost in our house as a 338 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,640 kid, But Joe actually saw it. He saw a couple other things. 339 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,759 So I'm gonna let him. And he had a great story of this thing 340 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,319 flying over his head. So are better back and let you talk to Joe? 341 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:03,960 Okay, please do shit. Well, anyway, we it was a 342 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,599 long, long time ago when I was a kid and we were living in 343 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:15,759 the house on Magnoia and that's in Seattle, and it's an old house. 344 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,920 I think, what what year was it to him? Built nineteen hundreds or 345 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,200 something something like, probably the thirties, something like that. I can only 346 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,640 guess. I think it was. I think it was older. That's I 347 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,960 think I think it was like that. Anyway, one one time I was 348 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,240 sitting at at the front of the TV. We were watching cartoons and stuff 349 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,359 like that or something like that, or but my mom was there and they 350 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,480 were just like, all of a sudden, it's like a centerpiece. It 351 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:52,599 was on the mantel. It just kind of lifted up and floated out over 352 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,839 the hearth. It's a big mantele and in fireplace and the fire was going 353 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:03,319 and it just dropped and broke and shattered and we were just like dumbfounded. 354 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:10,920 I'll never forget that, and uh, my mom, I'm anyway, we 355 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:17,680 knew we had a ghost then, and uh, I was that was amazing 356 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:22,960 to see that. And then I, uh, it was really early in 357 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:32,160 the morning one one morning and my dad I saw him walk into the bathroom 358 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,039 and then there was this shadow figure of a little boy walking right pretty much 359 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:42,039 behind him that went into there and right behind him. So I ran in 360 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:47,799 there looking for that little boy and there was no one in there, and 361 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,799 a shadow figure like a little Yeah, it looked it looked like a little 362 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:02,960 boy pretty much, oh okay, or a full blown apparition like it was 363 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,359 an actual pretty much. It's like, but you could see through it a 364 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,920 little bit. It was. But that's what I remember. I mean, 365 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,240 it's a long time ago, but I remember running in there and being pissed 366 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,160 off because who's this kid? You know, I want to be with my 367 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,720 dad. That's exactly what I remember, you know, at the time, 368 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,319 and uh, there other things in the house. I mean like they're pots 369 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:33,720 and pans and Washington dryer would go on. Uh like the with the electronics, 370 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,319 yeah, or just stuff like that and still would go on. We'd 371 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:45,559 find it on in the morning or something. Oh boy, And uh so 372 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:52,119 I my mom found with records or what do you call that, tim She 373 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,599 went down town or something and found out historical records. Yeah, yeah, 374 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,839 see it. She and a couple other people had played with Auiji board and 375 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,319 found and I'm not endorsing that, by the way, I would discourage that, 376 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:11,000 but I was a kid. I had nothing to do with it. 377 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,440 She decided to do that, and they found out the name of a little 378 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,880 boy who had died there. That's what they determined. So she went down 379 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,920 to the county the city records and said she located it and found that it 380 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,000 was true. So we were just kids, so we just took it for 381 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,440 granted that that was the case. And what we call the wold we call 382 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,480 it again Joe Harvey or something like that. Harvey. I think we called 383 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,440 it Harvey, but it was not that it was it was just there was 384 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,960 a name, but I can't remember it, but I can't remember it either. 385 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:51,559 He did fall down this cement steps in our back yard. There were 386 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,519 cement steps they went down from the yard down to the street, and he 387 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,319 fell down them and they picked him up and they brought him into the house 388 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:03,759 and he died. Me confirmation of that, I saw a little boy. 389 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,400 I'm pretty sure that's a little boy I saw in that house. So that's 390 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,359 the house was on it for sure. Do you know who owns the house? 391 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,400 Now? No, I've I've gone by the house because I work over 392 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:30,000 there, so I did. I drove. I go by once in a 393 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,000 while. I don't live there, so I go by if I go to 394 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,079 Seattle and I can, I'd like to go see it because it was fun 395 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,440 to live in that neighborhood. And I did walk up and knock on the 396 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,000 door one time, and the guy came to the door, and I was 397 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,839 a stranger, and I asked him if he ever saw anythings strange in the 398 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:52,519 house, told him we lived there as kids, and he wasn't that interesting 399 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,279 talking to me. Yeah, And I wouldn't see why. I probably wouldn't 400 00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,240 be either if some stranger or started asking me questions. So I just said, 401 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:02,400 okay, thank you, and I left, but different world. We 402 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,240 never had anything follow us from there. As soon as we left, experience 403 00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:14,720 stopped. And it may have just been because we were little kids, and 404 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,359 it was a little kid that there was, and they was trying to yeah, 405 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:22,400 yeah, because children are very receptive to spirit. I was writing the 406 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:29,039 third book and I was getting a pedicure and talking to my daughter about giving 407 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,200 her an update because we were getting pedigrest together, and the nail technicians sitting 408 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,359 there and she's going, oh, that's you. You wrote that book, 409 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,039 and I'm like, yeah, she could. Oh my gosh, I have 410 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,000 a story to tell yourself. She tells me about this house that she and 411 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,079 her boyfriend rented and it's in Lafayette, New Jersey, and she said, 412 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,119 the whole time that they lived there, it was horrible experience for them. 413 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,279 They had emotional issues, mood issues, you know, things were going on 414 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,799 in the house. But whatever it was, it was affecting their relationship. 415 00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:00,920 And she said, and we're all intents and purposes, relationship was great. 416 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,039 We never had any problems until we moved into that house. And then she 417 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,559 said, as soon as we left that house, everything was back to normal 418 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,400 again with us. She said, it was the strangest thing. So I 419 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,920 said, oh, there's a story in there. I got to see if 420 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,839 I can find out any more else about stories similar from that home. I 421 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,680 posted on social media and this guy suits out to me, and you could 422 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240 tell he was freaking out. Oh my gosh, I have a story to 423 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,599 tell you, and so he pretty much tells me a similar story that she 424 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,319 did that. I almost thought, well, is this her boyfriend? And 425 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,119 I asked him his name, and he was a totally different guy with a 426 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,119 totally different woman, and they had two kids that were living there with them 427 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,279 going through the same thing. When they lived in that house, it affected 428 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,960 their moods and created fights and all this other stuff was going on. So 429 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,799 I said, wow, that is crazy. But then I get this message 430 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,720 from somebody that saw the post, and she said, I lived in that 431 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:58,359 house for thirty years with my husband and three children, and we loved the 432 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160 spirits that were run that house. So I thought, wow, this is 433 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,599 crazy. Cool. So she says, yeah, we lived there and we 434 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,679 knew the spirits in the One particular spirit that interacted with us was a woman 435 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,840 who lived there in eighteen hundreds and she was struck by lightning when she was 436 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:22,280 hanging her clothes on a metal line out in the backyard. So she was 437 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,280 wanting the house, and she said, and when we were ready to retire 438 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,440 and leave the home, we told the spirit, we're really sorry, but 439 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:35,559 we're downsizing and we're moving. And the last day in the home, when 440 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:39,079 they were sleeping, she was so upset the spirit shook their bed. So 441 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:45,079 I guess after that, the new people that they sold the house to were 442 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,480 not receptive to ghosts in spirits, and they were in denial, and so 443 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,960 I guess that's probably not a good thing to do, be in denial and 444 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,920 ignorant, because the spirit was not happy. And the people who bought the 445 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,440 house decided to live in a trailer outside on the property and rent the house 446 00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:06,840 out. So after that, everybody that they rented it out didn't stay for 447 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:14,760 very long because all this negative stuff started happening. So when they finally decide, 448 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,800 when they finally decide to sell the house, the real Attorne does not 449 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,719 want anyone to know that it's haunted. And I tried reaching out to her, 450 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,000 and she wanted nothing to do with me. And she went to the 451 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,119 other name or across the street and said don't talk to that lady. I 452 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,400 don't want anyone knowing the house is haunted. So she sells the home because 453 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,360 in New Jersey there's no law that we have to reveal to anybody's house is 454 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,239 wanted. She sells the home to a young family, and this woman, 455 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,079 you know, she ultimately says to me, she didn't want me to write 456 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:44,719 the story, So well, I'm going to write the story. I'm just 457 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,039 not going to tell anybody the address of the home because I'll change the names 458 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:50,599 and everything. But I have the accounts from the people who lived there for 459 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,159 thirty years, and I have the accounts of two people that live there. 460 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,639 And whether you're experiencing something or not, I don't care. Your name is 461 00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:59,719 not in the book. But that's that's how I left off with her. 462 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,400 But yeah, I'm really curious to know if they're having issues in their house 463 00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,840 that they moved in there. That's a good story. Who knows, Yeah, 464 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,079 good one. Yeah, yeah, And you know, maybe maybe now 465 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,440 because there's a young family in there with children and it's the family unit again, 466 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:20,159 maybe the spirit's going to be happy. But yeah, I'm hoping that 467 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,679 they're going to be receptive to her spirit because if they're not, then the 468 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:29,559 ship's going to hit the fan with them, there's no doubt. Yeah, 469 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,679 um, or maybe it will even get out of here and go home or 470 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,719 something. Would you would? I think I think she's just kind of I 471 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:47,840 think because of the tragic Yea death she experienced, she is there and until 472 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,039 somebody has the opportunity to explain that to her, she could leave and she 473 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:55,119 could be reunited with her husband because this was in the eighteen hundreds, you 474 00:36:55,159 --> 00:37:00,440 know, and her family. They kind gets kind of stuck. And I 475 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:07,599 don't like to use that word, but it's kind of what happens if you 476 00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,440 hit by lightning, you know, and you're just hanging your clothes, all 477 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,039 of a sudden you're dead. That's just that's terrible. You're probably stuck, 478 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,159 yeah, and you don't want to go. You don't want to believe you're 479 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:25,199 dead, right, and everything changes around you and you confused. It must 480 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:32,239 be very confusing. Yeah, So we'll tell them about your one in your 481 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,119 house now, Joe, Oh yeah, a punt ther house now, well, 482 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,800 I just I just we have like a shadow figure. A long story 483 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,800 short. When I bought the house, I found out somebody killed themselves in 484 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:53,840 the master bedroom. And the guy told me he was an avid bowler and 485 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,079 they put his bowling ball on the corner of the house and he said, 486 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:04,199 we never moved the bowling ball. So I never have. But I've seen 487 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,559 his shadow peek around the corners and stuff like that, and it's it is 488 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:15,440 very scary to see that. But I'm not scared of it. I do, 489 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,360 but I do see him sometimes, but I'm never gonna move that bowling 490 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:27,239 ball. I don't blame Yeah, I think someone kind of moved it when 491 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,519 we were painting or something. Then we saw him a couple of times. 492 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,360 I mean he came, we were having dinner out in the living room and 493 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,320 he's peeled poking around and anyway, it's scary when you see it, you 494 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,519 know, it just happens in a flash and stuff. But I don't go 495 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,800 looking for it. I'm not a ghost I'm not a ghost owner. I'm 496 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,079 our carpenter, you know. Anyway, I'm just telling you. And then 497 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,280 my girlfriend says, he sees it with a top hat on sometimes really yeah, 498 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,039 putting it And it may not it may not be that guy that committed 499 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,559 suicide. It may not start with the hat. Yeah, she might be 500 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,039 seen a whole other thing, and I just thought, I don't want no 501 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,280 part of that, you know what I'm saying. I've been here a long 502 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,199 time in this house, and I liked this house. And like I said, 503 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,719 I'm never going to move that bowling ball. It was scary at first, 504 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,280 but I'm not scared of it now. But it is here. So 505 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:29,360 that's the only thing. I mean. Maybe maybe I've heard like a door 506 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,840 slam once in a while, but that's a long time. It hasn't done 507 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,199 that in a long long time. As long as you know you can live 508 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,039 in in peace and harmony with it, I'm sure it's fine, you know. 509 00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,280 And if it starts to act up, and you can always communicate to 510 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,119 it that you know, you just want to keep the house really nice. 511 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:52,280 Oh yeah, in their space. I think I've done that one time before. 512 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,559 I say, hey man, it's all good, let's keep it that 513 00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,920 way, you know. I think I had a little couple words with it. 514 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,920 So yeah, now that that's good. That then they know you don't 515 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,960 mean to take their space a harm them in any way, and you're acknowledging 516 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,280 them. That's very helpful. Yeah, And if it was if it was 517 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,360 an angry spirit. If he was a mean spirit, you would have known 518 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,199 it already. Believe me, I think so, yeah, no doubt, 519 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,880 yeah yeah, but yeah, well, guys, this was this, This 520 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,519 was so much fun. I really enjoyed this conversation and I loved hearing about 521 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,239 your book Tomato Fields. I'll yeah, okay, I'll put the link in 522 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,719 in the the footage of the blurb on the show. But I really appreciate 523 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,239 you sharing your time with me today. Guys. Okay, thank you very 524 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,840 much. And if you all out there listen nerves. 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