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Check it out college football on the
West Coast. This is Get Off My

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Pylon Look at the PAC twelve and
more, part of the College Gridiron Coast

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to Coast podcast network. Here's your
host, Matt Zimmy. Welcome to the

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Get Out of My pim College Football
podcast. This is your co host Pat

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Zenecall co host Alex Flow. And
it is bull season. Uh, you

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know, it's it's Christmas season,
but it's also bull seasons. Let's let's

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unwrap the Pactol present under a tree. Let's let's look at what's in store

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for for Santa Claus uh and the
rest of us during PAC twelve football Bull

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season. Let's start with the undercards. Let's start with like the smaller gifts,

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you know, the smaller little things
that you hang in a stocking before

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getting to the really big shiny boxes
with the high end items and so um.

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You know, let's do the pre
Christmas bowls first. So they were

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really intriguing pair of matchups. On
Saturday, December seventeenth. You have Fresno

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State and Washington State in one bowl
game that could be really interesting, and

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then you also have Florida and Oregon
State in another one of the pre Christmas

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Bowls. That's in Vegas, so
you know, interesting matchups there. And

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then when you get on the other
side of Christmas Day, Ucla in pitt

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in the Sun Bowl, and also
Oregon in North Carolina. What could be

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a really explosive, really fun Holiday
Bowl. And of course the Holiday Bowl

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has not been played each the last
two years, one because of the pandemic.

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The next year one was because UCLA
had a COVID nineteen episode, so

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you really haven't had a Holiday Bowl
since twenty nineteen. And then you also

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have Washington against Texas, so steep
Occasion used to be the head coach at

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Washington going up against the Huskings.
So you know, we'll get to the

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Cotton Bowl and the Rose Bowl later, but you know these five December Bowl

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games, you know that kind of
the appetizers. Maybe Washington Texas is a

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main course and not an appetizer.
Oregon North Carolina could maybe also put it

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put it put it in that category
as well. What are you looking for

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in these tactful bowl games? Like
do you think one Pac twelve team is

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under unique pressure to get the job
done in one of these bowl games?

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What's your overview of the landscape,
you know with each of those matchups.

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Okay, yeah, in my opinion, Oregon State's definitely got to get it

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done. Out of the bat.
Florida is a team that has shown their

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struggles. You know, they're already
questioning their head coach chapter one season and

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their top their top two qbs on
planes, so you're playing the third streaming

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signal caller. Oregon State is a
team that I think can slid a by

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is. Hey, the PAC twelve
was good this year. People around the

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country need to take note. Oregon
State is a win. I think the

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pressure is on them because frankly,
there's no excuse for them to lose.

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You mentioned right out of the gate. Actually, the Texas you Dub game,

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I'm very excited for sure. I
know Texas is going to be without

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Bjean Robinson, a few other big
star names, him being probably the biggest.

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But still, you know, Quinn
Yours, Michael Pennocks, let's see

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what you guys got sling it out. I think that's going to be a

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QB showdown, especially with implications going
into next season. That is my favorite

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pre Christmas Bowl game. And the
other thing about Quinn Yours against Michael Pennocks

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is that you get it in the
Alamo Bowl. So that's in a domed

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stadium, so like you don't you're
not going to be playing that game in

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snow, You're not going to be
playing that game in wind or rain.

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You get the perfect climate controlled to
let it fly, exactly made for a

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shootout. Um and and it's and
I think we're going to see something similar

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in the Holiday Bowl. Interestingly enough, first, it's also the first Holiday

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Bowl in Petco Park, home of
the Padres there there. Um, you

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know, the last Holiday Bowl was
in you know, the ballpark known as

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Qualcom but really for older guys like
me, you know you're not old,

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but I am. I will always
call it the Murph for you know Jack

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Murphy Stadium. You know that that
the ball that ballpark was demolished since the

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twenty nineteen Holiday Bowls, so they
haven't had a Bowl game in San Diego

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since. This is the first Holiday
Bowl in three years. And it looks

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like one of those classic Holiday Bowl
shootouts you know from back in the day

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by U against SMU or Iowa San
Diego State, you know both, you

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know, super duper shootouts. Plenty
of other ones over the years interesting le

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like Texas in Washington had had a
had a Holiday Bowl shootout. Texas in

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Oregon also had a wild Holiday Bowl
game. You know, just it doesn't

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I feel like the Holiday Bowl if
you don't have a ton of points bow

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next against Drake may insane, Like
that just seems like all sorts of fun.

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Hopefully hopefully Santa put a lot of
touchdowns underneath a tree for that.

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So yeah, between the Holiday Bowl
and the Alamo Bowl, those could just

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be extraordinarily fun games. And the
one one really good, especially good point

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you make, like you always make
good points, but the especially one,

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especially a good one you made is
that yes, leading into twenty twenty three

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Texas in Washington, like this is
a classic Bowl momentum game, carrying carrying

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into the off season on a high
note, you know, establishing an identity,

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establishing a culture for spring ball for
the off season, you know,

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stamping ourselves as hey, we're a
top ten team, We're gonna be a

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frontline contender for the playoff next year. That Washington Texas Bowl exactly because North

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Carolina not going to be a contender
nationally next season, Um, nobody but

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Washington, Washington Texas both teams you
can absolutely say like that they are going

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to expect to contend for big prizes
next year. Yeah, them in their

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qbs. Their qbs individually I think
have a lot to go up for next

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year. But to also speak on
a broader point, I know I mentioned

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you know people are gonna watching Oregon
State no one if you dub and Organs.

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These are two teams that are staying
no matter who leaves the Pack twelve

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ten. So these are two teams
that can do a lot for the conference

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as well. That's right, You
like twenty twenty three is going to be

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the last year or with USC and
U silly in the PAC twelve. So

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yes, like if you're trying to
form an identity and make sure that like

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you are the destination program in the
PAC twelve, yes, that's suddenly Washington

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and Oregon are definitely playing for in
these PAC twelve bowl games. More on

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So now let's get to the main
courss. So, Penn State,

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you taught in the Rose Bowl,
the granddaddy of the mall and a very

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intriguing Cotton Bowl, not one anyone
expected, but it is an intriguing matchup

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between USC and two Lane. So
let's let's tackle the Rose Bowl. And

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the big breaking news from recent weeks
is that Utah's Clark Phillips, the elite

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cornerback, and elite tight end Dalton
Tak they're not playing in this game.

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So you know, Alex, when
I saw this matchup, I'm thinking,

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okay, Sean Clifford of Penn State
against cam Rising. Like Utah has a

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significant advantage at quarterback, so I
was firmly putting this game in the utes

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column as my prediction. But whoa, these are two really big absences for

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the US, and now I would
have to give a slight lean to Penn

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State with Utah two big pieces.
Yeah, so they're definitely two massive losses

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and constantly Yeah, so they're they're
definitely two massive losses, and there's no

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doubt they're going to play a eug
impact. But constant listeners of our program

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will know that Utah's calling card this
season has been next man up, has

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been playing through adversity of your starters
frankly not being available. When I look

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at Penn State, I see a
team that first off, has a terrible

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history in January. Uh. Secondly, a lot of the teams they want,

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especially in this big stretch over the
last four games, have been some

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five hundred opponents, nobody really highly
respectable in the NCAA football landscape. So

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despite these losses, I'm not worried. I think Utah's games plan and the

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key pieces like qv came rising they
have in place can propel to pass the

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Nitney lines. I do think that
if Utah does win, it's going to

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be because Sean Clifford's limitations a quarterback
from penns State are just, you know,

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too pervasive, and he's just not
going to do enough to expose the

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limitations that that Utah does have on
defense. And let's let's let's also keep

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this in mind that you know Utah
is Pectrow champion and Utah kick USS,

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but but you know, if you
don't have Kayleb Williams getting hurt. Kay

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Of Williams was electric in that first
quarter of the Pac twelve changing game,

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and if he doesn't get hurt,
you have to think that USC puts up

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a lot more than the twenty four
points it ultimately ended with. So you

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know, that is that is something
just to keep in mind as kind of

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a tempering, cautionary kind of note
about the Utah defense, Like this was

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not a great Utah defense this year. You know, obviously gave up forty

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two to USC and the regular season
gave up he gave up thirty five to

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UCLA. U S won that game
forty two, thirty two, but five

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points or seven points we're on a
fumble return for touchdowns. So USI's offense

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scored thirty five, not forty two
against Utah. But still like UCLA's offense

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had a very good day game close
to five hundred yards against Utah, Florida

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had a good week against Utah.
In Week one, Utah was able to

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play well on defense against Oregon,
but of course that's when bo Nix was

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not fully healthy. He was not
one hundred percent for that game. So

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it's really good advantaging to see how
the limitations of Sean Clifford defense State against

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the limitations of Utah on defense,
and especially now without Clark Phillips. You

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know, you would think that James
Franklin is going to try and hunt the

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matchup at cornerback with Clark Phillips out
of there. And of course, what

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did the Seahawks last year from Utah
or last season from Utah in the Rose

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Bowl? Utah was undermanned in the
secondary. And you know, now Penn

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State does not have a Jackson smiff
Najigba who's going to catch over three hundred

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yards of passes. But Penn State
does have stand a much better chance now

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in the passing game being able to
pick on a backup Utah cornerback. And

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it's going to test that next man
up theory, that next man up principle.

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You know, can Utah's backup corners
hold up on an island with Clark

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Phillips no longer there to save the
day. I mean, personally, I

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think this is going to be a
game that Penn State plays their way out

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of. I just I don't think
from what I've seen, especially down the

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run from Penn State they're a team
and a roster that can compete with Utah,

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even if they have some second guys
up. Now, yeah, the

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defense, it's going to be questionable, especially I feel like we judge all

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Utah defenses with a little bit of
criticism given that they've been so dumb in

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the past two years. Uh,
this clearly isn't that case. But I

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think they're good enough to get the
job done. It's gonna be fascinating.

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I think, you know, basically
with with Utah's opt out for Phillips and

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what's Dalton Kincaid suffering an injury,
I don't really I don't think if you're

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dealing with an injury that that's a
hop out, because you're really just trying

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to protect your health. I think
that's that should be viewed. Sure to

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play, yeah, sure so,
But with I think that game is pretty

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much a point flip at this point, with Utah's main losses, you know,

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kind of evening out the edge that
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It's going to be interesting. I
don't know. On January second, the

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other Big Pack twelve game Bull game
on January second, USC in Tulane.

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Of course, Kyle Williams playing stats
and he suffered the hamstring injury against Utah

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on December second. One note here, so the first New Year's six Bowl

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game is the Orange Bowl between Tennessee
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This Cotton Bowl is on Monday,
January second. So like if this

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New Year's sixth game the Cotton Bowl
was on December thirtieth, that's three fewer

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days that kayleb Williams would have had
to rehab that hamstring injury. He gets

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three mstra days as part of a
four week break. And he said right

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after, not right after, but
a couple of days after the Pack twelve

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changed the game. He said he
intends to play. He intends to rehab

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himself to the point where he thinks
to play in this game. And so

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that tells me Kylen Williams wants this. Kayle Williams wants to win this game.

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It's important for him. And we
were talking earlier about Washington versus Texas

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in the Alamobile creating momentum until the
follow league season. So Caleb Williams seems

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to have that same mindset, and
I think Lincoln Riley does too. This

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is a really important game for them. A lot of USC fans might go,

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oh, Tulane, big deal,
you know this is this is you

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know, we could have been in
the playoff, never were playing Tulane.

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You know, as though it's it's
such a disappointment. Well, hey,

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this is a New Year's sixth Bowl
game. And Caleb Williams and Lincoln Riley

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have the attitude which, more than
anything else, I think is going to

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shape this game. Does us care
and we get on ut We get on

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these teams from the SEC when they
don't make the playoff and they grumble and

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grouse and sak. Well, this
is a chance for USC to show that

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it takes the Cotton Bowl seriously,
that it values it and it's not gonna

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grumble and seak and let Tulane win
this game. And that is the biggest

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key for you off. Yeah,
you hit the nail. You hit the

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nail right on the ahead. I
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the winning was great. I don't
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I think the players said we could
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building that culture and building a program
where you get people to buy in,

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because that's ultimately what USC's has been
lacking. It hasn't had the proper motivators.

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It seems like they've gone on to
have great success elsewhere and tremendous for

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them. We'd love to see it. But now as somebody who says,

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I have a clear vision, I
have an identity, and Kyle, he's

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getting the players to buy in.
You know, just the other weekend we

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saw Caleb brought his entire offensive linement
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It's more about not the individual player, but the program. And that's coming

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important, isn't This is a game
that USC says, all right, let's

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impose our will against Tulane and show
the fan base and show the nation.

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You know, sure we didn't get
to the College FOOTBA playoffs, but we're

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not going anywhere. And this Heisman
guy, he's coming back Heisman Trophy winner

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playing against Tulane in a New Year's
sixth pole. Who would have amagine that

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storyline before the twenty twenty two PAC
twelve seasons. Would it began? Yeah?

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No, I don't know. I
don't I don't think there were many.

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I think you know, everyone knew
what Caleb was. I think people

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have an idea what Caleb was capable. Bull of this year has really really

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taken him to another level. Um
but but yeah, no, this is

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this is a big game for USC. I know Caleb says he hopes to

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play if he can't and it comes
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the pieces are around him. Let's
let's see what Moss can do. Well,

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we will see if we get to
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the Bull season, and actually let's
just give some predictions for each of these

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PAC twelve games. Let's let's start
with Budible Oregon, North Carolina, Oregon,

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North Carolina. I think this is
gonna be, you know, just

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the qv showdown. As we mentioned, I expect big offensive play. That

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being said, you know, when
you throw the ball forty times. I

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think you could see some turnovers.
Um, I expect both teams to get

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over twenty one points, but I'm
gonna call it an organ Ducks win thirty

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five thirty one math Semic your thoughts. I think Oregon's gonna win. I

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think that you know that the bitter
taste of choking away the Civil War against

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Oregon State not making the factor up
change the game, like the Oregon has

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something to prove about where it is
in North Carolina fell off a cliff late

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in the season. You're not going
to see North Carolina's best football. Oregon

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is going to expose win this game
pretty comfortable, all right. Washington Texas

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in the album Washington Texas, this
one is known to be a high scoring

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affair. But I don't know if
Michael Pennocks and you dub can keep up

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with Texas. Um, you know, Quinn Yours was that guy for a

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reason, and I think he's just
gonna started. Sure, there's no b

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John Robins, and that just means
more pressures on him. I don't know

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if it's going to be as high
scoring. I'm gonna call that a Texas

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win. Twenty eight twenty four give
me Kaylen DeBoer over Sark any day of

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the week and twice on Sunday,
Washington. Okay, all right, sun

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La and Pitt. An interesting part
here, Keaton Slovis was gonna play in

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this game for PITT against UCLA,
so you could have had a uth USC

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Ucla action here. But Slovis No, he's transferring from PITT. So you're

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not going to get Slovis against UCLA. And el passo is their word on

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DVR. He set to play,
correct, haven't heard. Haven't heard that

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he's opting out as of yet.
That could change, but haven't heard as

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of this time. You know what
I'm going to take, not Pit,

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which means I'm not going to give
a prediction on this game. All right,

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all right, usc, I see
the Bruins. We'll take the Bruins.

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That there you go. You can
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okay, it's okay, utter the
all right. Somewhere between twenty four to

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Penn State Utah, Okay, this, I do not think it's going to

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be a high scoring game at all. I think ye the missing factors on

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offense for Utah mixed with just the
inconsistency and lack of production from the Penn

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State offense eighteen thirteen. Yeah,
I'll I'll called sixteen thirteen, maybe twenty

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one thirteen, somewhere along those lines, Utah win. All Right. I

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did say I was leaning toward Penn
State earlier in the show, but you

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know, now it's prediction time,
and do I really want to pick James

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Franklin over Kyle whitting A big game. You got to put your money where

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your mouth is. Yeah, so
I was leaning toward Penn State, but

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no, I can't take James Franklin
over Kyle Winningham. So I'm going to

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reverse myself. And maybe that's weakness
here on the Get Off My Pile on

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College Football podcast. I know that's
not why you listen to this show,

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but yeah, when it comes to
prediction time and you know you got to

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put up or shut up, I
can't bet against Kyle Waitingham going up James

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Franklin. Whittingham is done better coach
here riding with the youths. Sorry,

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folks in Salt Lake City. I
really shouldn't have doubted you on the air,

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but I did. But I'm gonna
come around before it's too late.

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I'm gonna make my conversion. I
repent of my sins in Salt Lake City.

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I'm taking Utah over Penn State.
All right, Cotton Bowl USC Twaine

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for me, I asked pretty easy. If Caleb Williams plays and he's you

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know, reasonably mobile, USC wins. If he doesn't play, nor Moss

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is not ready to win this game
and Tulane wins. Any any different take

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from you on that one, I
wouldn't. I think Miller Moss could keep

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it close. It's just because the
team around him. But yeah, I

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think it does all come down to
Caleb Tethyn be a blowout or it's gonna

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be a tough, close, gritty
loss. All right, Hey, Alex,

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you know this is this is our
last broadcast for twenty twenty two because

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friends and family the holiday season.
Alex co host Matt Matt, I get

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Whatever? Am I it? Over
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family. That's that's what I want
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you for absolutely absolutely so Alex,
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