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Welcome to the one hundred and forty
fourth episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast

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So Somewhat Paranormal. My name is
Jason Knight, host of the show,

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and with me as always is Oh
It's Oscars back the producer extraordinaire and podcast

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co host Oscar. Before we begin
tonight's topic, I do want to mention

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our hearts and our thoughts and prayers
are with Louisiana this evening. Hurricane Ida

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is just battering Louisiana places like Grand
Isle, New Orleans, Metaie, Mandeville,

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Saint John's Parish, countless other parishes, some of which I can't even

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pronounce. But you know, New
Orleans is near and dear to my heart,

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and this bitch Ida is just ravishing
Louisiana. It's you, It's your

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second home, right, It really
is, It really is. I'm a

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New Orleanian, I guess at heart. And what's crazy now, it's it's

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really faux pas to compare hurricanes against
one another or to one another. But

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sixteen years ago today is when Hurricane
Katrina made landfall. Yes, yeah,

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as a category three and Ida hit
as a category four. There's emergency workers

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been in the business forty years saying
they have never seen something like this and

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they live through Katrina, right right. So it's just I've been riveted watching

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it all day, all day long, on every screen in the house.

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So I just, you know,
just want to say that I'm there with

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you in spirit. The Supernatural Current
Studies podcast is there with you in spirit,

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and we know you'll bounce back,
strong town, strong people. So

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I just wanted to mention that,
Yeah, for sure. The other thing

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is, if you want to skip
our wonderful intro, please go to the

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show notes. There will be a
time stamp there waiting for you to get

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you to the topic. Yeah,
all right, Oscar, what has been

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going on? Thank you for handling
episode one hundred and forty three. I

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loved your intro. Thank you you. You know, Uh, solo casting

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is it's a different bead breed of
difficulty. So I was flexing muscles that

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I'm not used to. That was
like the fifth take at least, and

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I had to cutting and spice the
the better parts of other takes to make

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it all fit. I mean,
it sounds seamless. It just sound good.

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But I'm saying like it wasn't one
take that wasn't. In one sitting,

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I couldn't even tell because I was
like, I'm like, am I

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saying that? And I realized I'm
rambling sometimes, like yeah, you know,

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because Jay's not here, I'm not
saying he doesn't want Like I'm explaining,

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like why am I saying it like
that? Because I'm talking to myself.

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That's a weirdo. I've never done
it, so it's got to be.

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So yeah, it's it was weird, and in general, I'm a

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weirdo, especially when I'm by myself, so it didn't help matters, like

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I talked to myself all the time. So yeah, so that was a

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little rough. Well it came out
good. I'm glad you all liked it.

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I assume if you listen to this, then you should via the last

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episode. That's right. They came
back for more. So you did something

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right right, right, But yeah, I was I was out traveling.

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I took the family on a vacation. We were in Florida in New Smyrna

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Beach for the week, and I
just couldn't research and get a topic together.

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So support your favorite show. Yeah, totally. What else have you

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been up to? Nothing after?
You know, coming home from vacation.

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Vacation was fantastic, like I said, but the problem is you got to

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come back to reality. And you
know, now that I have this new

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position at work, I came back
to just mess of playing catchup. So

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I'm not gonna say I regretted the
vacation. I most certainly did not regret

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the vacation, but I got to
figure out a plan because we're going again

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in December. It was really hard
to come back to work because I was

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just completely overwhelmed. Did you get
did you give yourself that extra buffer a

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day? I did? I did? Wonder did they work? Wonders?

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But like you know, yeah,
I was, you know, able to

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unpack, clean up, do what
we need to do answer some emails for

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work, kind of make sure the
cat's okay, make sure the cat's alive.

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Right, Uh so I did take
a vacation with the vacation very very

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important. Take a vacation from your
vacation for days, bro, they're important.

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M Yeah, as the guy who
barely goes on vacation. By the

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way, we got to get you
on more vacations, more podcast vacations.

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Maybe, yeah, those are work. They're not a vacations. Okay,

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wrong, they're fun. This show
is fun, but it's work. Okay,

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that's not a vacation. I want
to do nothing on a beach,

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not like read something for a research
paper or something on a read speaking to

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research paper. Oh, I gotta
say this here. You're telling me offline

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after this topic that we're gonna get
into tonight your topic. Yes, that

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is all I mean. You might
have one hundred plus page script Oscar spector.

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Yeah. You can see the look
of his face. Are you burnt

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out? Yes? I was burnt
that before I wrote even one word of

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the script. Yeah, this around
how it's gonna come out. I need

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to find a fucking linear. It's
anything linear. I need to find a

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way to write this, but I
did find a way. I spent this

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week up until very late last night
finishing it Part one only, by the

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way, But don't worry. Part
two is looking to be a little bit

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more difficult, but it's I'm coming
on better shape, right because I have

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a lot more I can use this
as a way to springboard from two Part

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two. I'll explain all that later, but yeah, it's it's been a

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trial for sure. It's been fun. Wow. Well, I can't wait

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to get into it. I'm thoroughly
intrigued by the topic you chose in the

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roads it goes down. Yeah,
I was trying to tease you earlier off

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fire about it, and I'm gonna
be tea. This is a gigantic teas.

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I'm sorry in advance. This is
a gigantic teas. There's so much

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I won't tell you yet on this
first episode, but I'm getting ahead of

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myself. Besides all this, what
I've been up to you is that nothing

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much necessarily I have. I got
myself a little blink camera and I'm videotaping

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my my Shuger gliders in their cage. I got bird's eye view looking down

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and so it's the latest model as
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them. And and so you can
talk like a baby honor. You can

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talk through it, you know,
even if you're like miles away. And

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I did that. I check it
periodically. I have its censored to motion

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sensornio, so when they wake up
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and it records for like two I
remember the time, like three minutes.

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And it's been fun watching what they
do when I'm not around, you

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know, when I'm at work or
whatever. And I gotta to say.

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Zelda, the youngest one, youngest
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she the first day I put the
camera on her, and for most days

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after that, I noticed that she
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Loves it so much that every time
I would check it period of two

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hours at work, I would just
go on and I'm I'm gonna look what

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they're doing. She was still on
the wheel after like six hours. Sometimes

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like what the hell is she doing? And like, no, wonder,

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she's so not interested in doing anything. When I get home, she's like,

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man, she's fucking tired. She's
making that wheel her bitch, and

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it's it's fun and it's funny.
Every time I'm looking at Mutter not be

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in the wheel, you know,
and I'm like, give Lily a chance

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to play in the wheel girl,
But but no, either Lily doesn't want

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to or she doesn't get a chance
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It is very cute. And they
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once or twice because they're like new
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it's been It's just a cute thing
that I'm into. I've been into lately.

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Besides that, you know, not
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something in my brain a minute ago, but I forgot. Oh yeah,

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you know, there is something not
it's weird. It's weird, and it's

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almost like a question for our audience. But I know we haven't gotten a

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lot of feedback from them, but
like, maybe it's cool, maybe this

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could work. I've been thinking about
and what do you think of this.

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I've been thinking about doing or trying
to do our shows in a smaller condensed

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version and putting in them on TikTok. I know nothing about TikTok. I

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didn't I missed that train, I
guess, but I mean it's still on.

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But yeah, I know it's insanely
popular. Obviously, you're always sending

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me cool creepy tiktoks and stuff and
right, and some of them, you

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know, you never know if they're
real or not. Obviously, I'm not

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saying that everything I send you is
one hundred percent real, but some of

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them are. I mean, with
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I don't know how we would do
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but no, no, maybe not
this one. Maybe don't start with

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this one, you know, go
simpler, right, I think I'll be

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a good way not only to promote
and stuff, but like to like have

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like an alternate version to get people
in and on what we do here,

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because everything, all these mediums are
different flavors for different people and how they

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want their information or entertainment delivered,
and that's what we do. Essentially.

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We do give information, we do
give all the stuff, but like we

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really entertainment device really, and I
think that could be kind of fun.

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You know, I've been researching it. I would sa I'm not saying you're

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gonna do it. I'm just saying, what do you think of the idea

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of it? I mean saying any
I'm down. I don't know how to

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do it, but I'm all for
it any way to help market the show.

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We keep getting these comments on like
YouTube or even a Patreon, you

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know, people saying how do these
guys not have more subs? You know?

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And the plain simple truth is we
are ship at marketing, complete butter

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ships at it. We're really bad
at it, like we're ye, fantastically

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awful. We just don't we put
and we know there's so much brain powers

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devoted to life, family and the
show in general, like the content that

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really do not expand any effort whatsoever
and anything else that's right. I never

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think about it. I literally never
think about it. People will be like,

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aren't you on Twitter? I'm like, it's the first time I thought

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of it in months. Yeah,
no, it's It's true, same with

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me. That's why any word of
mouth, you know, listeners help help

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spread love for the show. We
could use it. iTunes reviews really help,

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but yes, anything to help market
us. And in a similar different

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note, though, I've been doing
a lot more. I mean for the

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last about three shows worth, so
like the last six weeks. Over the

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last six weeks or so, I've
been you know, twitch streaming a lot

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more on on our Twitch channel,
you know, not consistently, it's been

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it's been a little bit inconsistent,
but it's been a few times a week

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to sometimes, you know, multiple
days, grow playing games, weird games.

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I'm about to play a Cthulhu esque
HB Lovecraftian game, maybe even tonight.

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I don't know how tonight's going to
go. But yeah, mostly nights,

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sometimes in the afternoon. And there's
always been like one or two people

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that I've totally joining. Now I
don't talk to him very often. No

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one says anything. I don't say
anything either, but I just playing when

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people join, So that's kind of
whoever it is, thank you for joining

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us. That's where we are.
Thanks for always being there. They when

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they get the notification they're on it. That's fantastic and I think that's great.

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Yeah, where we are. Thank
you. So that's been that's been

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also fun of fun been doing that. If you want to check us out.

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What's the Twitch channel? And no
way Chicago Chicago's SOS or is it

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s West chicagohost Oh, dude,
you totally put me on the spot.

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I thought you knew. I thought
you could you're so good at this that

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I thought you might have known.
I will place it in the show notes,

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right, I'm writing it down mortem, so editing, maneuver, editing,

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magic, editing magic. I just
wrote it down. Ad twitch cool

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done, Yeah, yeah, it
will happen. Cool anyway, what I

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mean? Terrible at marketing? Terrible? Yeah, we get bad at it

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anyway, But we have a Twitch
channel I put I do games, and

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I try to do creepy games,
and I've been successful overall, but every

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once in a while do play like
a fun, lighter game. I don't.

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I can't. Not everything is supernatural, but you know, sometimes it

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is. Anyway. That said,
for that, I think you should tell

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us. Now that I mentioned a
Twitch channel, you should tell us how

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else people can find us. Yeah. The easiest way OSCAR for people to

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get to the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast
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Oh my god. See the Patreon
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felt so unnatural. Okay, all
right, I know I can feel you

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feeling unnatural about it. No,
when we said you're rusty, it reminded

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me of this thing. Like there's
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doctor or a nurse, you know, local person that comes into my store

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every day orders an advance you know, on the phone, right, and

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his name is Rusty, and he's
like I remember one of my coworkers he's

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like, oh yeah, I gotta
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my partners or whatever said like,
are you rusty? And he's like yeah,

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I'm like, nah, you've been
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Sometimes just it cracked everyone. I
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there, and you just reminded me
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very good, kind of quasi dad
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no, I'm sure yeah. Sorry, that's it. Do you have

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anything else? I don't truly take
a break. Yes, listeners, welcome

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back to the show. Well,
the lights are turned down low, the

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ceremonial candle is lit, and the
drinks are flowing. Let's start this show

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now, Oscar. I know you
have a whole intro. I'm gonna pass

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it off to you in a moment, but I just want I just want

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the listeners to know if they saw
the title of this episode, the octopus

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murders, this has nothing to do
with an eight legged mollusk, does it.

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You know it does not at legged
and now it does not. Well,

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you know they have brains in one
of the modest tentacles. I did

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not know that they have two brains
and ship. Yeah, wow, that's

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what. That's what makes them able
to like move wriggle, like to let's

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say, flee something and also catch
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they can multitask because they like two
brains or something. It's like weird.

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They're very weird. But no,
that has nothing to do with the underwater

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sea creatures. Interesting. Yeah,
because the first time you told me about

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this subject, that was my literal
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actually kill people in this one?
No, stupid, it's because of all

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the tentacles where where this story goes, it has all the weaving happening,

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right. Yeah, And it also
surprised me further because you're more you are

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much more in You're much more aware
of conspiracies and fucking crypt all this ship

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that we've done in the show,
nearly exclusively. You've because I didn't know

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anything about them. You're like,
have you heard of this? No?

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And the what's so famous? No? I never heard of it? You

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know, it's now this time I
give I give that to you. It

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feels great, It's not you must
feel all the time. Yeah. So

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I know nothing about this topic,
right, but it goes to places that

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I think are going to blow people's
minds. I know. I've done very

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very very very high level research just
to get names, dates, locations for

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for tags, for keywords or when
I post this, I just wanted to

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get started on the episode, you
know, get started on the post.

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Some of the articles that I pulled
up that center around this murder or these

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murders, I guess you should say, blew my mind. Yeah, the

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the tentacles where they go. It's
it's just amazing. So I just wanted

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to say that this is not about
an octopus pornographic or pornographic right, No,

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not at all. It's not petty. So with that Oscar, please

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take it away. I've been dying
to hear this. All right, sounds

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good. Let's go into my overdramaticized
introduction here. Probably should stop laughing.

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Okay, where does the unraveling begin? When there are multiple entries and loose

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strands and the fear of pulling on
the wrong one will result in the loss

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of valuable time, effort, and
will. That is the ball of mess

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and information I found myself in.
I believe that disorganized nature of the embezzlement,

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the forgery, lying, stealing,
appointing, arresting, threatening, and

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murdering that happens in this long tail
actually makes it all seem more realistic,

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more human. Unfortunately, this feat
of unraveling nearly shriveled my interest in pursuing

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this case to nothing because of how
big and messy it was getting. I

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am hartened, however, that I
came across this case after many of the

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answers have already been found by relentless
people whose lives were you know, changed

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by the events as you will hear
shortly. Essentially, the victims or friends

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of the victims did most of the
legwork, and it is their personal connection

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to the Octopus murders that really peaked
my interest at the start. So this

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story was first brought to my attention
on TikTok by user user sorry at death

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Wish Princess, who gets into this
grand tale of a triple murder that occurs

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in the nineteen eighties and the relentless
search by one of the victim's daughters that

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finally led to the killer decades later. Decades, not like a year or

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two. The woman in the video
mentions conspirators and co conspirators, as well

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as another murder that happens ten years
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saying the reason she knows all of
this is because she's the granddaughter of one

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of the victims and that her mom
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Cut to months later, three books
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and here we are. I wanted
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I will play later on to give
people the ability to look her up if

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you want early spoilers and maybe a
rough outline. Since there are so many

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characters, good and bad, from
different sides and all walks of life,

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Today's show will be centered solely on
a triple murder in nineteen eighty one and

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a parent suicide in nineteen ninety one
and establish an overall bedrock of information and

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people that makes this story stranger than
fiction. And one monumental conspiracy, a

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conspiracy that touches on all sorts of
interesting keywords such as government involvement, presidential

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involvement, the CIA, the mob, Native Americans, weapons manufacturing and selling,

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privacy hindering, computer software, hitmen, journalists, the iron contrast scandal,

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international dignitaries, political assassinations, and
even aliens. Today's story will read

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like a film. There's almost like
a three act structure naturally in play,

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and a headstrong protagonist that tries to
make sense of her crazy life. My

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advice to you is to try to
pay attention. You never know the piece

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of information that would lead to a
connection or an answer. So with that

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in mind, let's set the stage. The stage is Riverside County, California.

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This particular county has a lot of
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Riverside County is the fourth most populous
county in California and the tenth in the

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country. Pretty big. It's located
in southern California and has mostly desert between

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Los Angeles and Arizona. Most of
Joshua Tree National Park is on Riverside and

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where most of all peyote in the
world is consumed. Hey. The city

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of Indio, one of the biggest
locations in the county, lies next door

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to a small Indian reservation. Its
resort cities are Palm Springs, Palm Desert,

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Indian Wells, Lacinta, Rancho Mirage, and Desert Hot Springs, all

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located in the Coachella Valley region of
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it is where we'll spend a lot
of our time in particularly Indio and Rancho

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Mirage. That Indian reservation I teased
a second ago is called Cabaison Band of

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Mission Indians. It is a federally
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hope I'm pronouncing that correct, whose
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of land in southern California tribes splintered
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as Western Khila, Mountain Kahila,
and Desert Kahila, the last one being

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Cabison Band of Mission Indians, located
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tribe's headquarters located in Indio. It
is a small tribe, having now enrolled

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thirty eight enrolled members, according to
the San Diego State University Library. That's

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not to say that there aren't more, just not recognized as yet. Not

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to mention maybe the children they are
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federally recognized tribe sets its own rules
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small tribe thirty eight and there is
no unemployment for the Cabison banned the Mission

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Indians. You might have guessed already, but this tribe found gainful employment on

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their land via a casino called Fantasy
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it? I have not. No. Apparently it's a big deal. It

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was built. I don't know,
but it's California. So Cabison Band the

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Mission Indians are known for three things. One is when they won the pivotal

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court case California vi. Cabyson ban
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They argue that their high stakes Bengal
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California state law couldn't touch it.
This led to the second thing they're known

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for, their actual casino, which
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and four to refurbish. This is
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The last thing Capston Banda Mission Indians
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claimed they were involved in with a
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the Wagon Hut Corporation, and finally, a triple homicide that occurred in nineteen

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eighty one. Let's get into that. The following information comes from a myriad

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of sources like local newspapers, retrospective
magazine issues, and a good chunk from

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a book titled Return of the Buffalo, The Story behind America's Indian Gaming Explosion.

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Prior to midnight on June thirtieth,
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murdered in cold blood Alfred m Alvarez, Ralph Arthur Boeger, and Patricia Roberta

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Castro. An investigator from the Riverside
County Coroner's Office, Robert Drake, filed

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the report on the murder. Quote. I was contacted by telephone at seven

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thirty four am on July first,
nineteen eighty one by the Riverside County Sheriff's

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Office in Indio. I was told
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zero four to zero Bob Hope Drive
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The scene of this homicide is the
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On that Bob Hope Drive. The
three victims had been sitting in a semi

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circle. Castro had been sitting on
a single bed facing south, Alvarez was

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sitting to her right on a wooden
chair, and Boger had been sitting to

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his right on a wooden chair facing
north. They were discovered by friends of

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Alvarez, William Callaway and Joe R. Benitez at about six forty am on

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July first, eighty one. When
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bed head to the north. Alvarez
was still sitting but slumped to the right,

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while Boger was lying based down in
the sand where he had fallen forward

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from his chair. All three were
dressed, and from the initial distant examination

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it appeared that all three had been
shot in the head and had been dead

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for several hours. Alvarez, Castro, and Boger were each killed by one

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bullet to the back of the head. Examination of the bodies and the crime

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scene said that the killer slash killers
were up close to their victims when they

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pulled the trigger. They were killed
by thirty eight caliber bullets. And the

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reason I said killers like plural is
because of how the victims were positioned when

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they died. It was theorized that
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shootings could not have occurred from afar, that it was most likely that the

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victims knew the killers beforehand. This
is because there are no signs of force

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or running away from surprise attackers,
and the fact that the victims were facing

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each other proves the theory that no
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Boger, and Alvarez without one of
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They died in their last living positions, unaware of the thirty eight caliber

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bullets heading their way. The main
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one shooter, though, is because
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alerted when the first shot rang out. Say if they were maybe asleep or

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drunk, you know, say that
Bolger and Alvarez were killed first in their

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chairs. Even though it is possible
that Castro could have you know, sat

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upright from the mattress she was laying
in, she would have had enough time

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to try to flee or face the
shooter, and the crime scene would have

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reflected that, but it didn't.
The angle of each of the shots also

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came from different directions, so it's
not like one person standing shot shot and

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the third person. You know,
it was from different directions. Oh okay,

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back of the head. Remember that
I should note that the reason the

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trio were chilling in the backyard was
to escape the heat from inside, since

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there was no air conditioning. It
explains the mattress anyway. Autopsy did show

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zero point fourteen percent plural fluid alcohol
and Alvarez's system, while Bolger had point

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oh eight alcohol content, which is
the base used to determine driver intoxication in

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California. There were no signs of
drug use in the autopsies. Oddly,

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Patricia Castro's body was not examined for
autopsy, and the coroner does not state

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why in his report, and I
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humhm. My theory is that this
could mean that the killers were maybe not

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known by the victims, that they
had enough time to get into positions while

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the two men were intoxicated, you
know, pop pop, then head to

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the wakings slash sleeping Castro for the
final pop. I believe it's a stretch

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to think that one killer did the
shooting, no matter how drunk, but

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it can mean that they weren't friends
about as in company. You're saying,

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we don't know that the hitman waited
for the right time is what I believe

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most likely. I say hitmen because
that's what the police thought. That the

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triple murderer had all the hallmarks of
a professional hit. I'll get back to

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this later on. One important thing
about this triple homicide to note is that

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nearly everyone, from local police to
federal institutions, conspiracy theorists, friends,

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co workers, and families of the
deceased, not to mention yours, truly

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believed that the target was Fred Alvarez. By the end of the story,

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there is no way you'll think the
shooters were at Alvarez's home for anyone else

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but Alvarez. Okay, Castro and
Bolger were innocent bystanders. Before we start

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speculating as to why and who wanted
Fred Alvarez dead, there is one theory

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floating out there to suggest something else. Not long before his death, Fred

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revealed to a doctor, Nikol and
tribal members of the band of Mission Indians

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that Patricia Castro's husband was soon to
be released from prison and had passed the

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word along he was going to kill
his wife's lover. Police were told about

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this, but nothing has come from
it that I've read personally. That's the

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one Castro angle anyway, you know, plus the possibility that she and Fred

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were lovers, which is possible.
I honestly do not have much on the

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third victim, Ralph Boger. He
had a family he barely saw, was

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divorced, He smoked weed and rode
his motorcycle. There was taught that he

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had made drug dealings with the Hell's
Angels and that he and Fred Alvarez have

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been accused of drug deals. And
while it does serve as a potential reason

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for the triple slayings. The cleanliness
of the crime scene and other information I

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will bring up here say otherwise.
Now, Alvarez wasn't that special either.

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He was a big biker who became
locally popular in his youth for wrestling and

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playing college football. He was assertive, alpha and wasn't try to let his

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temper intimidate you if it got him
what he needed. There was drug use

406
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.680
and supposed drug deals, which again
some people think is what led to his

407
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.319
demise in eighty one. But there's
a mixed bag of highs and lows about

408
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.559
what people thought of Fred Alvarez.
People liked them, people didn't. His

409
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:30.079
importance to this case is that he
was a tribal member of the Cabison Band

410
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.039
of Mission Indians. He used to
be one of the thirty something tribe members.

411
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.680
Oh okay, that's what makes them
important to this case. He made

412
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:43.480
it as far as vice chairman before
being demoted or voted out of that position.

413
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:49.039
Reading the excerpts from the disclosed Cabison
Band meetings, you could tell that

414
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:53.519
Fred Alvarez was going through a tough
time in the years before the tribes win

415
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:59.119
against the the state of California to
build their grand casino. They did have

416
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:05.519
poker rooms, bingal parlors, and
alcohol licenses to sell that shit. How

417
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.400
and where on reservation land were these
amenities produced was up to the tribe's votes.

418
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.440
I'm not going to get into the
intricacies of a tribal organization, but

419
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.159
I will say that Fred Alvarez was
a tribal officer. When he died,

420
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.199
he tried to get the votes to
build his own poker room slash bar on

421
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:28.159
the land. A woman who worked
closely with Fred mentioned to a reporter that

422
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.320
he had also wanted topless dancers,
but that's beside the point here. After

423
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.519
creating a rift and a faction against
the majority to get the votes, Fred

424
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:43.159
still lost not just a business opportunity, but he lost credibility within the tribe.

425
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.320
These meetings were happening somewhere between March
and June of eighty one, weeks

426
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.360
before his death. There were complaints
to the council that Fred was being uncooperative

427
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.920
to patrons of the established poker rooms
and bingo parlors, that he did not

428
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:02.280
help others with their responsibilities on tribal
land, that he selfishly expected help for

429
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.400
his business venture and was but hurt
when he didn't get it. You know,

430
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.559
this led to a few things that
give this triple murder conspiracy some complicated

431
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:17.719
spice. It was reported that Fred
was meeting with journalists and telling close friends

432
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:24.159
that he had information of embezzlement occurring
on Cabison Indian land. He hinted,

433
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.800
yeah, he hinted that a John
Philip Nichols, who did work for the

434
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.159
Cabiston Band of Mission Indians, was
into some very suspicious activity. So the

435
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.519
Nichols family, which is John Philip
Nichols, or he was called Nichols Senior

436
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:44.760
sometimes his wife Joanne Nichols. I
was confused Joan and Joanne. Sorry,

437
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:50.280
His wife Joanne Nichols and his son
John Paul Nichols also worked for the Cabiston

438
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.880
Band of Mission Indians. But they
weren't Indians themselves, they were not tribe

439
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.920
members, but they were instrumental to
the business dealings. It's safe to say

440
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.639
that the reason Cabizon ban were able
to get liquor licenses, cigarette licenses and

441
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:10.519
able to make important casino connections is
in large part large part due to the

442
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:16.679
Nichols. I have a useful two
pronged example that shows how productive and resourceful

443
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:23.800
this little family was, especially in
the seventies and eighties. Quote doing this

444
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:30.519
meeting, Doctor Nichols, meaning John
Phillips Senior, made two significant reports,

445
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:35.960
the first of which described recent trips
he had taken to Taiwan, Korea,

446
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.840
and Japan and of his meeting with
local and lumber purchasers in those countries.

447
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:47.199
His trips there were financed by Wallace
Shipping Chartering Limited, a company trying to

448
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.360
market coal to those and other countries, and it was paying a monthly fee

449
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.920
to use doctor Nichols as a consultant. These fees were being used by Nichols

450
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:04.199
and the tribe to meet office expenses
and stay alive as an economic development entity.

451
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.800
Nichols's second report, according to the
Minutes, discussed the advantages of forming

452
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:15.639
an Indian security company and becoming eligible
to apply for contacts with minority preference.

453
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:22.400
He indicated that Wackenhut Incorporated and Intersect
Incorporated were both well known security firms which

454
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:28.760
have been interested in working with an
Indian firm. After his presentation, Fred

455
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:35.480
Alvarez moved to drafted resolution calling for
the formation of cabasan security company The motion

456
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:42.199
was seconded by John James and passed
unanimously. These guys knew how to get

457
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.079
shit done, So John John Senior, he's a he's a mover and a

458
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.239
shaker. He's kind of the spon. He's the one that makes things connect

459
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.000
and happen. And that's exactly right. Does he make it? Does he

460
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.840
have a Is there like a type
of a person in your head based on

461
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:01.239
that? Oh? Sure, I
mean I know plenty of people who I

462
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.920
know very few who are like that, or or who want to pretend they're

463
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.400
like that anyway. Yeah, oh
yeah, there's that too. But now

464
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:14.679
my question is did these murders happen
on tribal land. No they did not.

465
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:19.519
Okay, the house on Rancha Mirage
is like fifteen minutes away. Okay.

466
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.559
I was wondering because you know,
tribal land, that's a whole nother.

467
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.559
Yeah, it's not justice system,
you know. That's why I gave

468
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.599
That's why I gave the address,
and I said, ran yeah, it's

469
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.800
not on trouble. The murders.
Okay, I do, I do,

470
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.639
I do make the I do hammer
that later, but ok no, I

471
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:43.760
would just for good questions. Let's
see the reports lend some nuance into what

472
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.519
Cabyson Band was into and what led
to their massive success in the nineties and

473
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.639
two thousands, not to mention that
it helps explain key information and figures as

474
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.960
to the scope of this conspiracy.
The reports tell us that while doctor Nichols

475
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:04.519
was employed at the as the reservation
as a manager, he actually was more

476
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.320
of a resource developer and financial advisor. The reports also say that the reason

477
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:17.000
Cabizon Band's involvement with Wackenhutt and other
companies was mainly financial reasons were mainly financial

478
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:22.800
reasons. Wackenhut will be dealt with
in great detail at some point. Part

479
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:28.039
two. Do not worry. All
of these reports say that John Philip Nichols,

480
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.360
whom Fred Alvarez allegedly told outsiders and
insiders, was into some heavy shit

481
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.840
and very possibly illegal. There is
no evidence of this, but people say

482
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:45.000
that Fred Alvarez disapproved of doctor Nichols's
leadership and high status as a non member

483
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.039
of an Indian reservation, which may
help explain why he wanted his own poker

484
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.559
room and dismissed the rest. It
was also reported, though not in evidence,

485
00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.840
again, that Alvarez knew that John
Philip Nichols was in bezzling cassine funds

486
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.679
and had set up a meeting for
July first, nineteen eighty one, the

487
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:09.239
day he was found dead, to
try to fire him. Reading the minutes

488
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.519
from his final few meetings with the
tribe, I have to say that there's

489
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.519
no evidence to support this. It
should also be mentioned that it was tribal

490
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.800
policy to count their earnings made in
those Bengo potters and poker rooms daily to

491
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:29.320
thwart any skimming, adding fuel to
the fire. People have also said that

492
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.760
Alvarez new or suspected that Nichols involved
the Cabison tribe into arms dealings with the

493
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.480
government, and I will get to
that eventually. Yeah, these are the

494
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:45.840
threads that conspiracy theories from nineteen eighty
to present day believe led to the triple

495
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:55.920
homicide. Interesting so, arms dealing, casinos, liquor licenses, tribal land,

496
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.320
shady money like gray area money.
Right, Yeah, this wacken hut.

497
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:06.000
I'm curious to see w have you
ever heard of them? Only?

498
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.519
I think I've I read it briefly
when kind of looking for the keywords.

499
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:14.519
I mean, before today, I
have not no interesting. Oh have you

500
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.639
really I wonder if it started out
as kind of like a shell dummy company

501
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.719
to run money through or something to
clean money. I'm not sure I can

502
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.920
tell you right now, and not
not in a spoiler way. But they're

503
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:27.519
very real. So they're they're up
and up, gotcha, I mean they

504
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.719
but they're just so big, they're
huge. Yeah, Well, get more.

505
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.519
Yeah, that's an entire segment for
part two, trust me, okay.

506
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.960
Now. The tribe that made a
press release concerning this tragedy quote the

507
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.559
Cabiston Band of Mission Indians express its
sorrow over the death of Fred Alfred Alvarez,

508
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:50.760
a member of the band. His
untimely death, along with those of

509
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:57.320
Patricia Castro and Ralph Bolger, are
most unfortunate. We publicly publicly express our

510
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.519
condolences to the immediate family and friends
of the three victims. Since the deaths

511
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.519
did not occur on federal land,
the state of California, County of River,

512
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.159
County of Riverside has jurisdiction, Mister
blank Clark, the capable Sheriff of

513
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.559
Riverside County, has our full confidence
in being able to solve these deaths.

514
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:21.320
We as a tribe will help and
cooperate in any way we can with the

515
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:27.639
Sheriff's office. The Cabiston Banna Mission
Indians respects the American judicial system and knows

516
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:32.519
that justice will prevail. We wish
to state categorically that the unfortunate incident,

517
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.719
which involved the three victims, only
one of whom was a tribal member,

518
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:45.320
was wholly unrelated to Cabistan tribal business
or the operation of our tribal casino.

519
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.440
We are in possession of certain evidence, which we have already turned over to

520
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.440
the County Sheriff's office, which indicated
that the murders may have been attributed to

521
00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:00.760
personal relationships between the victims and other
persons unconnected in any way with the Cabinson

522
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:06.079
Band. We are confident that when
the case is solved, as it will

523
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:10.079
be, and all the facts are
disclosed, their charges and innuendos will be

524
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:15.199
shown to be crownless. Until that
time, we would only ask that the

525
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:22.400
press deal with this tragedy in a
responsible and professional manner and not allow itself

526
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:28.639
to be used by those with ulterior
motives. That is one hell of a

527
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.199
statement. Actually I cut some parts
of it out, by the way,

528
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.079
but yeah, yeah, that's a
hell of a state. Now. So

529
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.920
I'm taking because they mentioned right there, you know, these charges are unfounded.

530
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:43.880
Basically, I'm guessing they were already
rumors swirling that amount an insane amount

531
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.800
of them. Yeah, I had
something to do with Whack and this guy.

532
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.320
Okay, okay, And there they're
plead to tell their their pleader the

533
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.800
press, to to like, hey, you know, you know, be

534
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:58.039
nice totally does not work. You're
about to find really doesn't work. The

535
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.639
fact that we're here talking about it, it means that it didn't work.

536
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.360
Okay, okay, Like the very
fact that there's so many books about it

537
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:09.280
that I'm fucking burnt out over.
It's safe to say that this did nothing

538
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:15.280
to quell journalists, townsfolk, and
conspiracy theories from making Fred Alvarez a martyr.

539
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:21.639
The tribe was harassed daily with questions
of their involvement with the triple murder.

540
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.519
As frustrated as they were with journalists
who were, you know, indeed

541
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.840
damaging the Cabizon Band image, the
real fight was with the police. They

542
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:36.960
raided this federally recognized Indian land a
couple times, taking lots of documents and

543
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:42.079
questioning everybody that might lead to an
arrest. This is not strange behavior for

544
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.039
the tribe. Though for some time
before Alvarez met his demise, county and

545
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:52.199
local police had some hate for this
tribal territory. They opposed and fought the

546
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.760
selling of cigarettes, alcohol, and
bringing gambling to their corner of the world.

547
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.800
Lots of court dates and threats,
guys, it makes sense why the

548
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:07.440
tribe quickly made that press release and
fully cooperated with statements and paperwork only a

549
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.480
day or two after the triple murders. It didn't help much, and since

550
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.199
Capustan band of Mission Indians got the
last laugh with their big court win,

551
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.480
you know in the mid eighties,
the harassment and traumatic image in the public

552
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:25.000
subsided over the years for the most
part. Let's bring a woman in here,

553
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:31.840
a woman named Rachel Begley on board. Rachel Begley was thirteen years old

554
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:37.960
when her father, Ralph Boger,
was killed in Rancho Mirage, California.

555
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:45.159
Much of the following comes from a
Wired article in twenty eleven. Quote she

556
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.239
learned of her father's death from our
television news bulletin. Her parents were divorced,

557
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.280
and though she spent occasional days with
her dad riding in his motorcycle,

558
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:59.280
sidecar. She didn't know enough about
his life to make sense of what had

559
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:05.480
happened. The police would eventually conclude
that Boger and Alvarez were killed in connections

560
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:10.639
with shady doings at the nearby Cabison
Indian Reservation, but Begley's mother shielded her

561
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.679
from all the murky details of the
investigation. After the murders, Beglei went

562
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.559
through a rebellious face and fell in
with a bad crowd. By the time

563
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.360
she was fifteen, she was pregnant
and had dropped out of high school.

564
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:29.159
Eventually, she got her ged and
moved to Iowa. She says she would

565
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.960
periodically wonder about the case and check
in with the police, who never seemed

566
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:38.440
to have any new information. Beyond
that, she didn't have time or tools

567
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:44.280
to delve too deeply. Then one
night in two thousand and seven, she

568
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.800
idly typed her father's name into Google. She didn't find much, but as

569
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.360
she clicked through the few results that
came up, she found a book titled

570
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:59.119
The Octopus, Secret Government and the
Death of Danny Cassillaro, based on the

571
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:04.440
work of a fee French freelance journalists. The book argued that the nineteen eighty

572
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:09.119
one, triple slang was wrapped up
in an enormous plot involving arm stealing,

573
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:15.960
private security firms, and the upper
echelons of the Reagan administration. Skeptical but

574
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:22.159
intrigued Begley dug deeper and discovered that
over the years, the murder case had

575
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.960
taken a curious life of its own, preserved on obscure websites and nurtured by

576
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:35.480
a grassroots community of obsessives. To
these conspiracy theorists, Boger's killing was the

577
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:42.920
work of a secret syndicate they called
the Octopus because its tangled tentacles supposedly reached

578
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:51.480
into some of the most powerful organizations
in the world. The octopus, Man,

579
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.199
Is that a cool name for a
secret murderous organization? Holy shit,

580
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.840
isn't it cool? Yeah? Yeah, I mean we're kind of like jo

581
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.559
thing about the bad part of this, but yes, yeah, yeah,

582
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:06.400
I know it's terrible. Yeah.
Yeah. Would imagine being this this poor

583
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.239
girl, you know, finding this
out about your dad. Your dad could

584
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:15.039
be involved in this massive conspiracy.
Oh, if you believe what I believe

585
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.639
that he was just an innocent bystander, but he was still a part of

586
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.880
it technically. Yeah, I mean, and that's pretty sensational, isn't it.

587
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:29.119
You can see how Rachel Begley turns
into like a Michelle McNamara type of

588
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:32.800
an investigator, just a just a
more low rent but with a personal skin

589
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:38.000
in the game, right. You
can see that. You can also see

590
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:45.119
how this this is catnip for reporters. The story sells itself. Rachel began

591
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:49.679
her investigation late in the game,
but managed to find much of the important

592
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:54.519
information that links motives to the triple
murder and other hits and shady dealings.

593
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.519
By hits, I mean assassinations.
She discovered that police and initially suspected John

594
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:07.239
Philip Nichols of committing the murders because
of what the local papers like Daily News

595
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:14.480
Voice of the Valley printed concerning Alvarez's
speculation of embezzlement with the casinos. We

596
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.920
know the truth of that, but
he was the first suspect investigators focused on.

597
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:24.000
Through Nichols, Rachel found out that
he and Cabazon struck a partnership with

598
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:30.559
a private security firm that has clients
around the globe called Wackenhut. Many books

599
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:37.639
and articles came out in the early
nineteen nineties talking about this. Publications like

600
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:45.280
those led Rachel Begley to find out
that the Cabson Slash wacken Hut partnership led

601
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:51.679
to the manufacturing of arms on federal
Indian land. Ooh right. More digging

602
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.960
led to finding out that a big
portion of the information and connections were discovered

603
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:00.719
by a freelance journalist who died in
nineteen ninety one one, Danny Cassillaro.

604
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:07.880
I will focus on him soon enough. Quote most of the stuff I didn't

605
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.920
believe, Begley says, I thought
all of these people were making money off

606
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.159
of my dad's murder writing these books. She was angry enough, in fact,

607
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:21.400
that she was determined to prove the
speculators wrong. At the time,

608
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.320
Begley was working in customer service for
an internet service provider which was moving its

609
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.400
back office operations to another state,
and she was spending her days sitting idly

610
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:36.079
at her computer waiting to get laid
off. Begley had once worked for a

611
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.719
collections agency, and she knew how
to track people down. I went into

612
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.639
it with a mindset, I guess, almost like a police officer would.

613
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:50.760
She says. No one had ever
been charged in the killings. Nicholas was

614
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.519
long gone. He had died of
a heart attack in two thousand and one,

615
00:50:54.519 --> 00:51:00.679
but Begley talked to albert as a
sister who recounted her families thwarted efforts

616
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.599
to get to the to get the
police to pursue the case she found.

617
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:12.039
She then found William Hamilton, the
developer of the promised software, who had

618
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:16.960
collaborated with Casillaro on his investigation.
Hamilton called her back on her cell phone

619
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.840
as she was leaving for work one
day and then talked and talked until his

620
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.880
battery died. It was like boom, she said later on. He dumped

621
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.199
it all in my lap. Begley
may have started out trying to be systi

622
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:37.920
octopus, but she gradually gave into
the theories implications, which is that her

623
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:44.039
father had been caught up in a
vast conspiracy and it had killed him.

624
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.480
You've said a lot there. There's
a lot of little tidbits in that.

625
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.719
Well that that's why I gave you
the beat sign, like, okay,

626
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.920
if you want to say something.
So you alluded to a suicide in ninety

627
00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:00.159
one at the top of the show
during your intro, So here's becausing the

628
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.079
the next laro, right, kess
Lara was the journalist who supposedly committed suicide.

629
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.840
The other thing you mentioned that was
really interesting. Oh god, it

630
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.079
just flew out of my mind.
Is that the helmet? Yes, yes,

631
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.480
the promise software? Thank you,
the promise software? Y p r

632
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.199
M I s. I believe p
R. I think it's the whole isn't

633
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.760
it the whole thing? R M
I S. I don't think is that

634
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.760
what it is? I'm pretty sure
it's just without the E but all capitalized.

635
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:37.880
It's a acronym. I thought it
was PR. I saw that today

636
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:39.840
during the Maybe, but I've been
reading it that way. Maybe I got

637
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.440
it all wrong in my head.
Okay, I just wanted to bring it

638
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.320
up incause people wanted to follow that
rabbit hole on their own and promised.

639
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.719
Yeah. That's another thing that I'm
kind of encouraging slash discouraging along with the

640
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:52.719
show, is that if you want
to find out in due time, by

641
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.920
all means, wait along with the
script with me, and next time and

642
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.800
maybe next time after that, and
then so you could get the pieces together

643
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:01.159
at I write it and as I
tell it to you, I think will

644
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.719
be more fun. However, if
you can't wait That's why I gave you.

645
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.039
That's why I gave him the TikTok
user at the top. That's why

646
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:08.880
I'm giving all these names also,
even though I'm not going to explain them

647
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.599
yet, I'm giving the names out
of the case people who have not heard

648
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.960
of this at all, Like you
want to look forward and a head you

649
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.719
got it? Got it? Yeah, those are the two big things I

650
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.119
pulled out there. For sure.
For sure, that's a big ass fucking

651
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:25.639
thing. The promising, Oh yeah, here comes. I promise that I'll

652
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.719
get to it, to the promise
software scandal soon enough. But I like

653
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.119
how Rachel said it. It was
like boom, he dumped it all in

654
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.960
my lap. It's starting to feel
like that's what I'm doing, stumping shit

655
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.400
on your lap. You know,
already there's a bunch of new information,

656
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.519
but the bombardment is not over,
continuing Rachel's discovery and trying to put a

657
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.920
fine finale bow to nineteen eighty one
triple murders. Here's a news clip from

658
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:58.880
two thousand and eight. It is
edited for time in years. Tonight,

659
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.440
we have an exclusive interview with the
daughter of one of those murder victims.

660
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.880
Her search for her father's killers has
jump started this cold case. Three people

661
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:12.880
executed in nineteen eighty one at this
Ranchamurage home. There are few clues and

662
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:16.280
no arrests. Fred Alvarez was vice
chairman of the Cabazon Banned Mission Indians.

663
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:21.840
Back then they had a card room. Today they have Fantasy Springs casino.

664
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.159
Oliverrez's friend, Ralph Boger was also
murdered. He was likely at the wrong

665
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:30.159
place at the wrong time. His
daughter Rachel, was never satisfied with a

666
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.039
lack of progress in the murder case. When I was sixteen, I decided

667
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.480
to go out and try and figure
out what was going on with all this,

668
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.239
and I went down to the murder
scene and to the reservation, and

669
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.960
a week later I was getting death
threats. Fred Alvarez was planning to blow

670
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:52.360
the whistle on a business partnership between
defense contractor Wackenhut Services and Cabazon manager John

671
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.480
Phillip Nichols to form Cabazon Arms.
Nichols allegedly planned on using Indian land to

672
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.920
test and build pistols, assault rifles, sniper guns, and rocket launchers.

673
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:06.880
The partnership was interested in biological weapons
that could be deployed in small countries.

674
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:13.840
I even have things in place should
anything happen to me to where this will

675
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:19.280
not drop. We're not dropping this
investigation either. We now have internal defense

676
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.320
contractor memos revealing two other local Indian
tribes that planned on heavy weapons testing on

677
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:28.760
reservations. We'll expose them and our
next investigation piece. If you've missed any

678
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.960
part of this thirty three part exclusive
investigation more than one year in the making,

679
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:36.800
catch up with our reports on KSQ
dot com if you didn't catch it.

680
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:42.000
That clip is the thirty third part
of a long series that investigated the

681
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:47.960
triple murders and other deaths and connections. It's from WESQ dot com if you

682
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.119
want to see what they found.
To say that they have a video version

683
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:57.440
of this podcast is only half correct. I believe I have more info,

684
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.639
but they actually talk to the people
involved, so you know. The newsclip

685
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:07.719
doesn't mention that one of the weapons
that were being manufactured on tribal land was

686
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:14.039
fuel air explosives, which will be
key to remember later. Again, it

687
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.400
says that Alvarez was pissed off about
this and that, but there isn't much

688
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:22.400
of his worries on paper or testimonies. As you would think. Regardless,

689
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:27.960
the weapons angle is worth killing someone
over, and a man like John Philip

690
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:31.719
Nichols, as resourceful and connected as
he was, could do it. A

691
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:37.599
good portion of the Wired piece of
Rachel Begley's journey of discovery is spent on

692
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:44.760
learning the ropes of conspiracy circles,
navigating through trial and error, reasonable and

693
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:51.119
nut jobs alike nut jobs, learning
which sites were taken more seriously, who

694
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.440
could trust her inquiries, and in
turn, who could she eventually trust.

695
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.920
This led to a friendship with a
woman named Cherry Seymour. Quote. The

696
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:07.280
two sealed their friendship with a transaction
of weather documents, the octopus community's customary

697
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:14.440
medium of exchange, copying Seymour's files, which the author had gathered from archives,

698
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:21.280
courts, and confidential sources. Hidden
trailer, Begley glimpsed the far reaches

699
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:28.079
of the speculation, bio weapons,
Lebanese heroin shipments, Howard Hughes and the

700
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:36.159
Yakuza. Oh my god, Howard
Hughes and the yakaza two. How do

701
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.400
you put those in the same breath
as this? I don't think that's ever

702
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:45.119
been spoken aloud. That's right said
when I read the article That's exactly what

703
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:46.360
I said. I'm like, I
don't think those two things I've ever been

704
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:52.760
combined in an entirety of history.
Yeah, Oh my god, I'm just

705
00:57:52.760 --> 00:58:00.519
fucking teasing on all right. Cherry
Seymour's big contribution to this conspiracy she is

706
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:07.039
a book that was published in twenty
ten titled The Last Circle Danny Casillaro's Investigation

707
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:14.000
into the Octopus and the Promised Software
Scandal. This book, which I barely

708
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.800
started reading this weekend, is on
the short list of must reads for anything

709
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:25.000
relating to the Octopus conspiracy. Thought
there Moving on, Rachel Bagley began posting

710
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:30.360
on Facebook and YouTube to educate others, but to also gain the attention of

711
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:37.440
anyone that might be involved somehow.
After several videos documenting her investigations, Rachel

712
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.639
was surprised to get a call from
the cold case unit from Riverside County.

713
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.760
She was dismissed a year earlier as
a nut job by Riverside County authorities,

714
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:52.360
but this time they called her to
say that the investigation was being reopened.

715
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:59.920
Rachel focused and determined found a prime
suspect in the murder of her father,

716
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:06.719
a man named Jimmy Hughes. Let's
get into it. California has a state

717
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:12.760
version of the Freedom of Information Act
called California Public Records Act, and the

718
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:16.519
grand majority of what I found about
Jimmy Hughes comes from the families of the

719
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:23.639
murder victims, police Cabison Indian Tribe
members obtaining files this way. They in

720
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:30.000
turn sent copies to people like Rachel
Begley and Cherry Seymour who write books and

721
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.920
post videos, which is how I
know. This is as direct as I

722
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.760
can get. Even though it's denied
later, it's clear that Jimmy Hughes worked

723
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.760
for Cabazon Band of Mission Indians at
least from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty four.

724
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.159
His role there was that of a
security guard working under John Philip Nichols.

725
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:57.519
Paperwork calling him a security guard became
hard to find after the triple murder

726
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:01.519
of Alvarez, Castro and Bolger,
but it's clear in the minutes I read

727
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:07.639
from a meeting in August of nineteen
eighty, the tribal Business Committee was trying

728
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.719
to set up a trap in Ski
Range, and Jimmy Hughes, labeled that

729
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:16.039
security guard, was recommended for help. The report of that meeting reflect the

730
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:22.039
exhaustive planning that went into this range. But here's another big example of Hughes

731
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:30.559
on Cabazon payroll. Quote. On
March third, nineteen eighty three, the

732
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:37.000
Cabizan Bingo Palace opened for business.
This time the Riverside County Sheriff closed it

733
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.159
down. The tribe went to court, and on May sixth, nineteen eighty

734
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:46.280
three, Judge Waters issued a preliminary
injunction against the county. He also imposed

735
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.920
a bond of fifty thousand dollars on
the tribe. Like I said, the

736
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:55.960
cops didn't like the ship. Two
years later, after a thwarting an attempted

737
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:01.960
takeover by Wayne Reader, Peter's accost
John Patrick McGuire, and Jimmy Hughes,

738
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:07.880
which later devolved into charges by Reader
of threats on Reader's life by Hughes on

739
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:15.159
counter charges, the tribe was hit
by a twenty twenty Heraldo rivera TV report

740
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:21.360
that gave national coverage to distortions of
reality. As a result, the tribe

741
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:28.119
would suffer to terrible public credibility problems
until February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven.

742
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:32.679
Unquote Heroldo man Heraldo, Yeah,
everyone knows him. I mean not

743
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.440
everyone. I guess he's that old
now, but ask your parents, you

744
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.400
know. But yeah, the credibility
problems until February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty

745
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.360
seven is timely because that's when they
win the Court against the Supreme Court case

746
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:51.599
with against California to make their casino. So ah, I see, okay,

747
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.480
makes sense. I'm surprised the police
were able to go on the tribal

748
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:58.039
lands and shut that yet a bingo
hall. Again, I don't know how

749
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:00.800
it works, I mean neither.
Yeah, so it must have happened.

750
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:06.119
I mean the clip did it so. A journalist for The Desert Sun,

751
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.960
a man named John Hussarma call him
Hussar, from the mid eighties to the

752
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:16.320
mid nineties, wrote several articles smearing
and convicting many people connected to Cabizon tribe

753
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:23.239
of crazy sounding things, mainly involving
arms dealing in South America. What he

754
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:30.800
wrote about Jimmy Hughes is as follows
and comes from from the book A direct

755
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:36.079
I mentioned earlier Return of the Buffalo, and I should say right now,

756
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:37.360
this is the only time I have
sience to say it. Return of the

757
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:43.639
Buffalo tries to dismiss the conspiracy theories
that people talk about with this tribe.

758
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:45.480
It kind of fails at it,
but it does clear up some things,

759
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:51.960
so I think it did some good
jobs too. Anyway, Sorry quote third

760
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:57.599
in Who's Sorry. Third in Hussar's
string is the conviction of doctor Nichols,

761
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:02.440
followed by the fourth, which repeats
the drug crazed allegations of one Jimmy Hughes

762
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:08.480
given the false title of former tribal
security chief, a title he never held,

763
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:15.119
which is true. Hussar writes that
Hughes had filed a statement in nineteen

764
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:21.800
eighty four charging there was profit skimming
at the Cabazan Bingal Palace and that the

765
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:27.679
Cabazons and the Nichols's family were involved
in gun running missions in Central and South

766
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:35.480
America. By publishing this, Hussar
was republishing two blatant lies. There have

767
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:39.920
been no gun running missions by the
Cabisans or the Nichols anywhere in the world,

768
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:45.199
and Hughes was never a Cabazan security
chief. In his repetition of these

769
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:51.760
lies, he then added that Hughes
claimed to be a batman for Nichols in

770
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:57.519
the Alvariz murder. At no time
has Hussar written the truth about Hughes the

771
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.400
speed freak, although the truth was
of available and Hughes was never a bagman

772
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:08.039
for Nichols or the cab soons for
any purpose. Now that's the bias of

773
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:12.400
the book, right, that's how
the book said. But what do you

774
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.400
think of that? Real quick because
the couple truths couple not truths there.

775
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.199
One, he wasn't a security chief. He was a he was an officer,

776
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:23.800
security officer for sure, but you're
right, he wasn't a security chief.

777
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.719
So right there, the journalist is
getting something wrong, perpetruting a lie.

778
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.840
Like you said, the gun running
is technically right only in the sense

779
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.920
that you're right, I guess they
didn't do it themselves. But if they're

780
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:41.840
made there and sent out by someone
else, same problem, different level,

781
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.559
you know. That's my thought on
that anyway. But interesting how people are

782
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.880
trying to dismiss this stuff as you
as you as you read more. That's

783
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:53.199
fucking weird, right, yeah,
it's kind of that's hard to kind of

784
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:57.480
parcel some of this stuff. It
was well known by several people at the

785
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:01.559
time that Jimmy Hughes had a taste
for methan fatamine. Hughes was fired as

786
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:08.119
a security guard in nineteen eighty four
and banned from the reservation. On his

787
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:13.000
way out, according to what was
reported by the sheriff, quote, he

788
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:18.320
meaning Hughes, became argumentative and belligerent
and invited me to step outside. I

789
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.360
stepped outside with him, but he
made no effort to strike me. We

790
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:30.000
were joined by Charles wellmis security guard, Treasurer Wellmos, Virginia Wilmos Carol Teagarden,

791
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.639
all employees of the Bengal Palace.
By the way, they sound like

792
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.559
strip of names. I'm sorry,
Tea Garden, come on, what is

793
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:41.800
that? And Doctor John Nichols.
Doctor Nichols tried to reason with him,

794
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:46.760
but to no avail. Jimmy Hughes
directed his angle toward Doctor Nichols told him

795
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:51.320
his days were numbered. A minute
or two later, just before entering his

796
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:57.039
car, he told Doctor Nichols quote, you better leave the state unquote.

797
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.159
On his way out of the parking
lot, three or four shots were fired.

798
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.320
I can only assume they were fired
by Jimmy Hughes unquote for real.

799
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:11.960
Hmmm, interesting, Okay, it's
kind of an asshole. Clearly clearly said

800
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.559
that's what I wrote here. Clearly
an asshole. We're after that. You're

801
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.719
pointing to the screen right like you
can see me. So we got meth

802
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:24.840
head Jimmy. We don't know.
We don't know how he's connected yet,

803
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.280
truly. Uh. I mean he's
not too Abazon. That's established. That's

804
01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:30.679
why I'm establishing here, and that
he knew Nichols threatened him and all that

805
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:35.440
got fired from working there, banned
from the reservation. But connected to the

806
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:39.320
triple murders. Well, he just
said it, right, he said it,

807
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:43.199
and the heated thing that what people
were saying that he was a batman

808
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.679
for the Alvarez hit. We don't
know if he had said that yet,

809
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.920
but you know, he is pissed
at Nichols for something or other. I

810
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.519
will get to that. Don't worry. All this will be explained, but

811
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:55.440
yes he is. You're going to
find out he's something connected for sure.

812
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.880
Heading back to Rachel Begley in two
thousand and seven, she became interested in

813
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:05.960
Jimmy Hughes because of articles written in
the eighties and nineties like Hussar's pieces.

814
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:13.039
A note to remember is that back
in eighty four, Hughes implicated Nichols Senior

815
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:18.320
to police that he was using cash
payments to unidentified contract killers for the Alvarez

816
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:25.360
hit, which he called US government
covert action. He called it that we

817
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:30.639
don't know if it's true. After
a while, police shifted suspicions to Hughes,

818
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:36.639
at which point fled town and the
grand jury investigation stopped just let him

819
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:41.239
go. Well, he fled tom
before they could, you know, properly

820
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.880
get him for it. But yeah, he told the police, Hey,

821
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:45.639
this guy might have killed loverus and
like, well, why do you know

822
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:49.079
that? So they turned their heads
to him and he led. Basically,

823
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:56.320
they call him an informant, and
the report read, okay, yeah,

824
01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:00.360
let's see where am I. But
here's what Bagley found owned out and later

825
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:08.559
reported by places like WESQ, Fox
News and Wired and so forth. Begley

826
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:15.960
discovered that Hughes became an evangelical minister
stationed in Hondudas, but with programs all

827
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.960
over including the States, Honduras.
Sorry I didn't say it the way way.

828
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:27.479
This ministry began, and this ministry
began in nineteen ninety five, and

829
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:31.880
it provided services in Central America to
battered women, drug addicts, and others.

830
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:38.680
The website doesn't exist anymore, but
it did have an autobiographical essay that

831
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:44.760
was written by Hughes. It talks
about how he had an elite military training,

832
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.920
which companies like the Wackenhut security firm
was known for doing, and had

833
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:56.800
a career as a contract killer that
his life was transformed when he was born

834
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:01.680
again. It was called Jimmy Hughes
Hu's Ministries, and its headquarters was in

835
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:09.319
Miami, Florida. Jimmy Hughes kind
of reminds me of David Burkowitz at the

836
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:13.439
end there, remember oh yeah,
the big trains from me finding religion,

837
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:18.039
right, Yeah? Wow, what
a convenient way to also have locations to

838
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:24.680
send guns to. Yeah, man, hot a gun running to Central America.

839
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:29.760
Maybe you know, established some places
some people I don't know. Interesting

840
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:34.920
man. Begley found out that Hughes
was scheduled to address an evangelical banquet in

841
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:42.000
Fresno, California, on February.
On February two thousand and eight, Rachel

842
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:47.520
Begley had a hidden camera in her
purse as she confronted Jimmy Hughes. Quote.

843
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:53.359
Hughes, a stocky fifty one year
old with a graying bus cut and

844
01:09:53.479 --> 01:10:00.680
raspy voice, bounded around, bellowing
tales of his past brutality. Begley,

845
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:06.920
nervous and bleary eyed from a sleepless
cross country flight, exchanged incredulous text messages

846
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:13.840
with an accomplice who had come along
as backup, Mikael Alvarez, Fred's son.

847
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:19.319
Yeah, they banded totally Metica epos. When Hughes finished his performance,

848
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:25.399
Begley and Alvarez came forward with a
rush of adrenaline, introducing themselves to the

849
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:31.239
Sweatsiak evangelist evangelist as the children of
the murder victims. Can't say nothing about

850
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.840
that, Hughes stammered. It's a
long time ago. It's in the past,

851
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:40.680
not for us, Begley said,
insistently, we're trying to get resolution.

852
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.079
I don't care who got killed,
Hughes shouted, attracting the bewildered attention

853
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.279
of others at the banquet. I
was trained in the military. I killed

854
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:54.479
people all over the world, right
or wrong, because the government ordered me

855
01:10:54.560 --> 01:11:00.479
to. Hughes stalked off, fuming, and Begley began to cry. That

856
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.239
seemed to bother the minister, because
he came back, speaking in a tone

857
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:09.399
that was softer but full of veiled
menace. Apparently he had seen her web

858
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:13.960
videos. Are you aware that that
goes all over the world? Are you

859
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.439
crazy? Lady, Hugh said,
Think about your children. They need a

860
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:21.800
mother. He told Begley and Alvarez
that the murder was a mafia hit,

861
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:27.760
and though he didn't explicitly admit to
carrying it out, he intimated that he

862
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:32.439
knew much more. Your parents were
involved in some very dangerous things, Hughes

863
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.800
said, It's a lot bigger than
just the murder of this guy or the

864
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:42.159
murder of that guy. You're talking
political people. You've got babies to take

865
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:47.039
care of mama. Go home tonight
and be at peace. Suddenly the murky

866
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:54.680
crime had come into focus, and
the conspiracy theories confronted with an unaccustomed feeling

867
01:11:55.199 --> 01:12:00.920
vindication. Do you give me gave
me the chills, I hope. So

868
01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:06.800
when he came back, that gave
me the chills. You got babies to

869
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:13.399
take care of mama. Yeah the
way he said that, Now, what

870
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:16.720
a Hollywood scene. Yeah, this
feels like I'm what a Hollywood scene?

871
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:21.359
Such a movie. I can see
this guy stalking around on stage right getting

872
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:25.720
getting people whipped up in a frenzy. He's whipped up in the friends I

873
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.920
think Kevin's face, it could do
it. Yeah, I know he's like

874
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.000
taboo right now, but that's why
it would work. I don't think.

875
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:36.000
Yeah, he's been canceled. Uh. And then they have him come back

876
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:39.840
out and boom, right there in
front of his face with the kids.

877
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.439
Oh, Vincent and Afria. He's
a big guy. He could to Vincent

878
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.399
and Affria would be good. Sorry, I don't know why we're pitching this.

879
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.079
Yeah, then boom there's the kids
of two of the murder victims.

880
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:55.479
Yeah, what a scene. Jesus
right, here's something else here, part

881
01:12:55.520 --> 01:13:00.239
of the same. All but one
of the videos remain from Rachel Bagley's YouTube

882
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:05.680
channel, which is called Desert Faye, Desert and then Faye Fae all one

883
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:10.920
word if you want to look at
up Desert Faye. I have no concrete

884
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:15.279
reason why. Maybe it was how
Rachel was able to live in peace after

885
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:20.720
the events, but regardless, here's
a clip of her confrontation with Jimmy Hughes

886
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:30.600
a long time ago. Where's in
the past. I'm trying to get a

887
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:36.399
resolution a lot of things in my
life. Something I want to forget about

888
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:42.600
the past. It is so awful
and scary in my past. I don't

889
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:45.960
live there anymore. I don't got
nothing to do with that. Shrew the

890
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.479
FBI, screw the police, shrew
everybody else in my past. I don't

891
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:55.159
care about my past. There's the
world I live in is shrewed up and

892
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:57.920
messed up. There's a lot of
hurt, there's a lot of you know.

893
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.560
What what you need to do is
like God, come in your heart,

894
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.199
and what you need to do to
say, Lord, pray my father's

895
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:10.000
in heavens. I pray when I
die, I go to Lord. Do

896
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:14.039
you have children? Now? Do
you have children? Pray for your children,

897
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:16.199
love your children, to prevent your
children. Listen, what's your name?

898
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:24.800
What's your name? Let me tell
you something. You know, world

899
01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:30.079
we live is full of a lot
of things. But if you're a fast

900
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.439
need to do, no, I'm
happy you're making me make amends for what

901
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:36.640
for acting in our thought. No
no no, no, no no no

902
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:40.680
no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no

903
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:44.520
no no no no no. Excuse
me. I'm fifty one years old.

904
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:46.439
I'll turn fifty one three days ago. I had to give a crap about

905
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:49.039
that. So let me tell you
something. Let me put it very clear.

906
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:55.760
Let me put a care about people. People don't oh my life not

907
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:58.920
w's my life. And I'm not
afraid of you. And I'm not afraid

908
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:00.680
of what people saying. Let me
tell you something. I'm not afraid of

909
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.760
what people don't. Make me a
break. Let me tell you something.

910
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:06.479
I go to bet at night with
a clear conscience. I don't wake up

911
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:10.720
the boil with a clear contry.
So let me tell you something about my

912
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:15.479
past. My past is dead.
I don't care about my past, my

913
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:17.720
passes, my past is none of
your business. There's none of your business.

914
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:21.560
There's nobody's business. I don't care
who died. I don't care who

915
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:27.279
got killed. I was trained in
the military. I kill people all over

916
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:30.560
the world. Right, we're wrong
because the government or go to the colts,

917
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:34.039
go to the police and ask then, why don't they get off their

918
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:39.680
butt and take about the Nichols jail
or somebody who has something to do with

919
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:45.800
it all. I'm not allowed to
say anything. Don't you understand? Okay,

920
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.920
I'm not allowed to say anything?
Is it not allowed to say nothing?

921
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:56.880
The catch is that there are there
are other people. I know.

922
01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.560
It's a little hard to hear and
a little fast. So that's why I

923
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:04.399
wanted to mention the put in the
dialogue of what he said first and then

924
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.880
put the clip in so hopefully you
guys understood it fine enough and followed it.

925
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:13.039
But yeah, that's what the motherfucker
said. So and that was from

926
01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:17.960
her secret courting her heeading camera and
her camera wow audio And obviously the camera

927
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.239
itself doesn't show anything because it's in
the purse, so it's just the audio

928
01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:28.239
really, but still it's all it's
all him. Yeah, wow, Rachel

929
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:32.319
didn't take this line down. She
joined forces with a man named John Powers.

930
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:36.960
Here's a bit of Powers from his
LinkedIn bio that I found. He

931
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:42.800
began his career with law enforcement in
nineteen eighty five with the Coastguard, and

932
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.920
starting in nineteen eighty nine, he
began He's sorry he began. He spent

933
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:50.640
the next twenty six years with the
Riverside County Sheriff's Department as a patrolman,

934
01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:58.800
narcotics investigator, homicide detective, and
finally sergeant. John was selected to develop

935
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:03.520
and implement a cold case team.
While he was a homicide detective, John

936
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:09.800
Powers connected with Begley after seeing the
video of her encounter with Jimmy Hughes,

937
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:14.840
saying, quote the statements she got
from him, no police officer would have

938
01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:19.359
ever been able to get unquote.
Powers was tasked to get into the nineteen

939
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:25.359
eighty one murders and formed a partnership
with Rachel Begley to arrest Jimmy Hughes.

940
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:29.760
That's right, because now it's reopened
at this point. Yeah, yeah,

941
01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:34.239
A few things to note at this
time. Remember that grand jury investigation that

942
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:39.359
began in the eighties by Riverside police
against Jimmy Hughes. This is when he

943
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:45.560
informed on the police that John Nichols
was responsible right for paying someone off to

944
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:50.359
kill Alvarez. That investigation that had
barely begun anyway, John Powers found it

945
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:55.319
odd that he could not find it. He said it had simply disappeared.

946
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.159
Of course, I don't know what
that means. He doesn't know either.

947
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:04.640
After what the article called procedural wrangling, a warrant was finally issued for Jimmy

948
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:11.199
Hughes in August two thousand and nine. He was arrested at Miami Dade International

949
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:16.760
Airport in October trying to get to
Hodudas fifty two years old. In two

950
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:21.479
thousand and nine, Hughes faced three
counts of murder in the execution style shootings

951
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:28.680
of Cabison tribal official Alfred Alvarez and
his friends Patricia Castro and Ralph Boger.

952
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:33.960
There was also a count of conspiracy
to commit a crime very important. The

953
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:40.600
official reason for the warrant goes basically
like this. Hughes conspired with John Philip

954
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:45.239
Nichols and his son John Paul,
as well as other parties, to prevent

955
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:53.600
Alvarez from exposing illegal activities occurring at
the Cabison Indian Reservation. It's beginning to

956
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:58.880
feel like the final fifteen minutes of
a crime thriller movie. Jumping to July

957
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:03.920
one, the twenty ninth anniversary of
the Triple murders, an important hearing takes

958
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:11.000
place in an Indian courtroom. Octopus
community vets like Cherry Seymour sits among the

959
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:15.079
reporters. This is the part of
the movie where justice is carried out,

960
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:21.199
but alas it does not quote.
Then Michael Murphy, a dapper prosecutor from

961
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:27.479
the Attorney General's office, rose and
delivered a shocking blow. We have lost

962
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:31.800
confidence in our ability to proceed with
the prosecution, he said. Begley closed

963
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:36.840
her eyes tightly as the prosecutor gave
a vague reason for his sudden about face,

964
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:44.800
something about new information and a reassessment
of the evidence. Afterwards, Powers

965
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:49.359
stood next to Begley outside the courtroom
as she addressed the television cameras sobbing.

966
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:56.760
The detective was disgusted by the outcome. The Attorney General's office gave no further

967
01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:01.720
public explanation for its decision, but
Power sensed that the prosecutors were eager to

968
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:06.920
dump the case. Murphy, he
said, started to question the credibility of

969
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:13.840
the witnesses that Begley had uncovered.
Throughout all this, Begley had used Twitter

970
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:20.279
and Facebook to mobilize the Octopus believers
to pressure Murphy sorry, and at least

971
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:26.840
a few called the prosecutor to urge
him to look beyond Hughes and dig into

972
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:32.399
the myriad connection that they had spent
decades documenting. Begley's devotion and inventive use

973
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:39.119
of the Internet had helped ensnare Hughes, but the obsessions of her fellow travelers

974
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:45.520
may have helped to undermine the prosecutor's
confidence. Oh Man Murphy declined to comment

975
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:53.399
unquote, so so her fellow conspiracy
hm hmm. Like they went through hard

976
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:56.479
and they got they were too excited, like they like they found out that

977
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.319
the girl said yes to the first
did and they go there and the two

978
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:01.920
fucking nervous. They talked too fucking
fast. They're too excited, and they

979
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:06.600
ruined the date and they destroyed the
credibility. Ye oh what a kick and

980
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:11.880
the teeth. I mean, you
can't talk to conspiracy there is because if

981
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.399
we'rever actually proven, right, how
are we going to contain themselves? How

982
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.039
how will you contain yourself? Jay? We can't, We can't, I

983
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:25.760
can't anyway. On July second,
twenty ten, the l Day Time has

984
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:30.359
had a little more on this matter. Quote. During a court hearing in

985
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:35.439
Indio, Deputy Attorney General Mike Murphy
told a Weverside County Superior Court judge that

986
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:42.399
his office was dropping the charges because
of new evidence uncovered by state prosecutor prosecutors

987
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:47.039
sorry investigating the twenty nine year old
case. Neither Murphy nor a spokesman for

988
01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:54.079
Attorney General Jerry Brown provided details on
those new findings. So I don't know

989
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:59.640
what it was. We conducted an
exhausted and exhaustive review of the evidence.

990
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:04.600
Pro by the Sheriff's Department. We
re interviewed key witnesses and uncovered additional evidence

991
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:11.039
tied to the case, said Evan
Westrop, a spokesman for Brown. This

992
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:15.800
process and the new information of our
office and the new information or office discovered

993
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:23.920
materially changed our assessment of the nature
and quality of the evidence. Hughes was

994
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:28.640
expected to be released from jail,
authority, said. The Attorney General's Office

995
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:33.520
asked that the charges be dismissed without
prejudice, meaning charges could be filed at

996
01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:40.439
a later date. The Attorney General's
Office had been prosecuting the case because Hughes

997
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:46.359
is a distant cousin of Riverside County's
District Attorney Rod Pacheco. Pacheco lost a

998
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:53.479
bid for reelection in June to Riverside
County Superior Court Judge Paul Salerback, however,

999
01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:57.680
creating the possibility that the new district
attorney could take over the case.

1000
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.239
So that's why I was sent to
this other distric because there was an actual

1001
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:06.039
conflict of interest here. Wow,
didn't see that one coming. No,

1002
01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:09.119
I didn't see that one in either
coming. But nothing's come from it.

1003
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:13.239
I looked up in the sky it's
pretty normal. Begley, who worked closely

1004
01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:17.840
with detectives from the Riverside County Sheriff's
Department, was livid about the prosecutorous decision

1005
01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:24.079
to drop the charges. This is
a miscarriage of justice. The case against

1006
01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:27.800
him, since it was filed nine
months ago, has not changed. Begley

1007
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.520
said, I'm not going to give
up. I'm not done. I'm going

1008
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:36.039
to speak justice for my dad,
Fred and Patricia Hughes, an ex Army

1009
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:43.279
ranger and former security director at the
Cabinson Casino and Tribess Bingo Operations, was

1010
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:48.239
charged in October with the crimes dubbed
the Octopus murders because the tentacles of complex

1011
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:55.680
conspiracy spread worldwide. Nut now right
away, I should say that this piece

1012
01:23:55.720 --> 01:24:00.960
reinforces a lie told back in news
articles in the nineteen eighties when people thought

1013
01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:04.199
Jimmy Hughes was a security director,
which he wasn't. He was just a

1014
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:12.000
security officer. Is sis? Is
this guy still around as far as that?

1015
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:16.520
I'm okay, I mean I just
looked at it present day. Yeah.

1016
01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:20.319
Yeah. And this this woman Begley
Man, she has some balls,

1017
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:26.399
I would say, so wow,
Yeah, okay, I'm with you.

1018
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:30.399
Yeah, I'm all right, we
almost done with this one case. By

1019
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.079
the way, there's two cases today, guys. Two murders, I mean

1020
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:38.159
two deaths, are two different whatever, you know what I mean? Two

1021
01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:43.680
events? Two events. That's better. That's one and one. Yeah,

1022
01:24:43.720 --> 01:24:46.359
it's so crazy, Okay, I
know now you see where I was going

1023
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:51.920
through. I have two more loose
ends here to tie two bombs. Maybe.

1024
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:59.279
The Desert Sun reported something very interesting
in December twenty seventeen. Oh,

1025
01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.199
you're gonna love this. This is
so this is recent. Yeah, this

1026
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:03.279
is the reason. Oh my god, you're gonna love this is why I

1027
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:05.920
feel like I have more information.
This is all past ten stuff. This

1028
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:12.640
is the most recent I get.
Fifty nine year old Russell Huber of Oroville,

1029
01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:16.800
California, was sentenced to life in
prison without the possibility of parole for

1030
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:23.319
killing a man named Clyde Gregory Hayward
on July sixth, nineteen ninety two.

1031
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:29.680
Hayward was from Desert Palm, a
resort city from Coachella Valley, and was

1032
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.479
supposed was supposed to meet his girlfriend
for a date on July second. His

1033
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:39.840
pickup truck was found two weeks later
on Highway ninety five with dried blood and

1034
01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:45.520
two three eighty shell casings found about
one hundred yards from the vehicle. The

1035
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:50.000
victims remains were found in a stream
bed in Clark County, Nevada, in

1036
01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:57.520
February nineteen ninety three that long time, but warn't positively identified until May twentieth,

1037
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:04.279
twenty fourteen. The NA sorry.
The d NA analysis and meticulous forensic

1038
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:10.319
work found Russell Huber in front of
a jury, which only took three hours

1039
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:16.119
of deliberations to arrive at a guilty
verdict. Quote. Hayward's girlfriend, whose

1040
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:20.800
name was not disclosed, told detectives
at the time that she had turned down

1041
01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:27.680
a marriage proposal from her employer,
John Nichols and believed he was behind her

1042
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:32.920
boyfriend's disappearance, but there was no
concrete evidence. The prosecution alleged that,

1043
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:39.000
after being rejected by the victim's girlfriend, Nichols a range of fake business meeting

1044
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:44.960
with Hayward under the guise of securing
golf carts for a development project. Hayward,

1045
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:48.760
a golf mechanic who previously had worked
for a golf cart distributor, was

1046
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:55.159
killed after he showed up to meet
with Huber and Peter Boncour A longtime associate

1047
01:26:55.239 --> 01:27:00.640
of the defendant. According to the
District Attorney's office, Russell Huber and this

1048
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:08.079
Peter Boncour met in prison in the
eighties. As I said before, this

1049
01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:14.840
Nichols family, especially John Philip Nichols, God shit done. So what happened

1050
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:19.199
to the Nichols I mentioned how his
wife Joanne worked in the offices of Cabison

1051
01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:24.640
Mission Tribe. She was pretty true
blue and died working for them of natural

1052
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:29.840
causes. John Paul Nichols, the
son, is simply retired now. John

1053
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:34.159
Nichols, I also mentioned, died
in two thousand and one. I believe

1054
01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:41.000
it was heart failure. What's interesting
is what happened. On July of nineteen

1055
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:46.800
eighty five, John Philip Nichols pleaded
no contest to two counts of solicitation to

1056
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:54.439
commit murder, receiving a four year
sentence. This murder for higher scheme went

1057
01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:59.039
awry because Nichols met with the two
supposed hitmen, who turned out to be

1058
01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:05.279
police informed. Yeah, the two
intended victims were residents of Indio, California.

1059
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.279
I have no names for there would
be victims. By the way,

1060
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:14.399
Nichols was sixty at the time and
due to ongoing health issues, and the

1061
01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:18.359
fact that no one was harmed it
lessened the prison time. No motives were

1062
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:24.520
mentioned by police when they arrested Nichols
for the murder solicitations, but they believed

1063
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:30.479
they were drug related. This drug
angle might have originated from Nichols itself,

1064
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:34.520
because he was placed in protective custody
in Chino for it and was placed near

1065
01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:41.000
the infirmary for health reasons. So
they were protecting them for something, or

1066
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:45.840
he was protecting himself in advance from
prison from the general population exactly. So

1067
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:50.319
what do you think of this,
these two things? What do you mean?

1068
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:53.960
Well, Okay, I'm trying to
say while I was saying it,

1069
01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:58.479
although I'm going to say it now, this motherfucker had Avaice killed Ran.

1070
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:02.119
I mean, we it kind of
sounds that way. I mean, we

1071
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:11.000
find another headman hitman who brought another
headman along, this boncoor guy. After

1072
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:14.960
all this, after so many years
in the twenty seventeen, right, they

1073
01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:18.560
find out that these two men in
prison and this guy, the victim's girlfriend

1074
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:26.199
dated or maybe was being sought after
by this Nichols senior guy. Makes it

1075
01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:29.920
kind of connects too easily that these
two headmen could have been the original killers

1076
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:34.000
hired by Nicholas back then in eighty
one. Well, you got to have

1077
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:39.279
a someone in general or just in
general for other things. You know.

1078
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:44.520
If they killed this one guy in
the eighties, right, yeah, he's

1079
01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:46.159
worked for me before, let's do
it again. Or they've worked for me

1080
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:51.960
before, let's do it again.
Wow, Okay, interesting? Yep.

1081
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:58.640
Not nice people, no, nice
people, no, no, no no.

1082
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.880
I think that out of the many
lessons and takeaways the story brings,

1083
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:06.079
one that must not be forgotten is
that some choos never stay buried, and

1084
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:12.520
that sometimes the conspiracy nuts are proven
correct or as correct as history will allow

1085
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:17.520
us. As promised, here's the
TikTok video of Rachel Begley's daughter, tell

1086
01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:25.239
me conspiracy that sounds crazy but is
true. I'll start the octopus murders.

1087
01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:30.520
What's that. Well, in nineteen
eighty one, a Cabzon Indian tribal leader

1088
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:34.560
named fred Alvarez, a Hell's angel
named Ralph Boger, and their friend Patricia

1089
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:40.439
Castro were murdered. In nineteen ninety
one, there was a reporter named Danny

1090
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:44.760
Cassilero. He was looking into the
murders of those three. He even started

1091
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.640
saying he probably had a break in
the case and it could implicate people in

1092
01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:51.840
the US Justice Department. So naturally, a few days after saying that they

1093
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:58.199
found him that of apparent suicide,
twelve slashes on his wrist, one deep

1094
01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:01.800
enough to sever attendant. In two
thousand and seven, the Hell's Angel's daughter,

1095
01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:04.840
she got a little curious and started
looking into it too, and she

1096
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:09.960
got threats, but she also got
enough evidence to actually bring somebody to trial,

1097
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:14.960
a trial that got dropped because of
undisclosed new information. Why do I

1098
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:17.319
know all this? Ralph Boger's my
grandpa, and my mom was the one

1099
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:28.239
getting threatened. Now I realized that
there's still a lot of information left unexplained

1100
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:32.760
on the table, plus the teases
of outo left field keywords like the Reagan

1101
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:38.800
administration and the fucking Yakuza. I
still have another death to cover before we

1102
01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:43.880
enter tonight's show. At death Wesh, Princess talks briefly about a journalist that

1103
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.199
was found dead after looking into the
Triple murders in nineteen eighty one, and

1104
01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:53.800
that he had found some key information
the circumstances around his apparent suicide, the

1105
01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:58.199
book he was working on, and
the sources he was amassing is what makes

1106
01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:01.359
this story too big for one show. Part two will cover the big and

1107
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:05.600
small players that I simply could not
get into today, which is why this

1108
01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:11.520
next segment will interest you but also
leave you wanting more. Let's get into

1109
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:16.199
it. Whatever the number of sources
and publications that talks about the nineteen eighty

1110
01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:21.399
one Triple murders, there's at least
double that amount for this journalist. His

1111
01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:27.760
name was Joseph Daniel Cassilero. Everyone
called him Danny or Daniel. And for

1112
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:31.239
this segment, amongst the articles written
in the nineties and two thousands, I

1113
01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:38.159
will use two opposing books as sources. One is called When Fiction Becomes Fact

1114
01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:42.560
The Death of Danny Castilero from June
of this year, not this year.

1115
01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:47.079
Second book is titled The Octopus,
Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casilero

1116
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:53.039
from ninety six. And it's easy
to tell which book believes in the conspiracy

1117
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:58.119
which doesn't by the titles alone.
All right, background on Danny Castilero goes

1118
01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:01.640
like this. Born in nineteen five
seven, Danny came from a big Italian

1119
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:09.119
American Catholic family in McLean, Virginia. McLean rested in northern Virginia in Fairfax

1120
01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:13.880
County, and his home to people
from the military, diplomats, and government

1121
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:19.239
official officials due to its close proximity
to Washington, d C. The Casteleras

1122
01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:24.600
are not connected to DC in any
way, but since Danny's father was a

1123
01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:28.800
doctor, the family was stable but
not rich, you know, like rich

1124
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:34.760
light maybe rich light. I don't
know why I say those things. Danny

1125
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:40.800
was seen as gregarious, a womanizer, and enjoyed a drink in his hand.

1126
01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:45.239
It's safe to say that he frequented
the bars of any town he visited.

1127
01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:49.880
He married a former Miss Virginia named
Tarrell Pace, and they had a

1128
01:33:49.880 --> 01:33:56.840
son together named Trey. After ten
years, they divorced and Danny was granted

1129
01:33:56.920 --> 01:34:01.399
legal custody over Trey. His career
has peaks and valleys, but nothing long

1130
01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:06.720
lasting or stable. He freelanced as
a journalist for different publications here and there,

1131
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:13.680
usually political and world news pieces,
but Danny also was an amateur boxer.

1132
01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.880
He wrote poetry in short stories,
and even wrote a novel titled The

1133
01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:21.319
Ice King in eighty one, the
year of our triple slayings. From the

1134
01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:27.119
late seventies up to the end of
the eighties, Danny Casilero acquired a series

1135
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:32.439
of computer industry trade publications, which
he sold. This last bit is useful

1136
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:36.760
because when he decided to take up
journalism again in the early nineties, his

1137
01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:44.279
entrance to this Octopus conspiracy was of
a computer software scandal with the with the

1138
01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:49.239
US Department of Justice. Very interesting
there. Danny was in the middle of

1139
01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:55.319
writing a book when he died.
It was untitled, and most of the

1140
01:34:55.359 --> 01:35:00.159
papers were held in his briefcase or
an accordion file holder thing, you know,

1141
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:04.439
all those things. It became almost
like a characteristic seeing Danny carrying his

1142
01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:09.800
papers nearly everywhere with him. I'm
not going to get into the details,

1143
01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:13.880
but Danny was trying to find a
publisher for his book. He needed the

1144
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:17.560
advance and or the resources that the
backing of a publishing house could bring for

1145
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:23.399
him, but he was not successful. Three pitches, three meetings, and

1146
01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:28.800
they turned them down. Everything that
went into writing the book, Travel Connections

1147
01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:33.399
Paperwork was self funded. Sources do
not say that the book led to his

1148
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:39.159
money troubles, but around the same
time, Danny was talking to lawyers about

1149
01:35:39.199 --> 01:35:44.000
needing to sell the house he lived
or he'd lose it due to back taxes.

1150
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.399
In the past, Danny's supports system. His family did help him with

1151
01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:53.199
loans, but the house problem was
too big to solve at the time of

1152
01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:58.439
his death. Now, in the
days leading to his death, Danny's friends

1153
01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:03.760
and family were interviewed by US slew
of people like local police, FBI journalists,

1154
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:09.720
and others. There is a surprising
amount of information of the days leading

1155
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:14.159
up to his death, the day
of, and the weeks afterward. It

1156
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:18.680
is as meticulous of a character study
as a big conspiracy legend like Lee Harvey

1157
01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:26.359
Oswald said that word Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay, I'll give you guys some

1158
01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.199
examples and highlights. I'm not going
to tell you everything. Oh, that's

1159
01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:32.399
another book entirely just on the day
to day everyone. They mentioned a lot

1160
01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:34.560
of names. I'm not gonna get
into all it, but I'll give you

1161
01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:40.079
highlights and a little bit on each
day. On August fifth, nineteen ninety

1162
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:44.920
one, Danny spoke to his brother
Anthony Casilaro about not being able to get

1163
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:47.720
enough sleep lately because of phone calls
he'd been getting in the middle of the

1164
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:53.560
night. This wasn't a new thing, though Danny had been receiving these interruptive

1165
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:58.880
calls for three months prior to his
death. Quote. Later that day,

1166
01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:04.079
and Klank, a friend and journalist, saw Castilero's car parked outside Hunter's Bar

1167
01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:11.279
in Oakton, Virginia. Clank went
inside and saw Castilero head slumped down sitting

1168
01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:16.319
at the bar. Cassilero looked terrible. Cassilero looked at Clank and said,

1169
01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:21.760
in a tone of disgust, I
just broke in slaw. Bill Hamilton's going

1170
01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:28.039
to be real excited. Cassilero then
told Clank, you can have the story,

1171
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:30.239
and if you don't want it,
you can give it to Jack Anderson.

1172
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:38.319
Clink had once worked as a reporter
for syndicated columnist Jack Anderson. Cassilero

1173
01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:42.600
told Clank that he had got just
gotten back from West Virginia and that he

1174
01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:47.000
was going back again. Clank was
worried about Casilero. She said that his

1175
01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:53.680
mood was not one that one would
expect of a journalist who had just broken

1176
01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:58.000
a big story. She ordered a
pizza for him, begged him to eat

1177
01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:04.479
something, and left. Unquote.
Tuesday, August sixth, Danny called two

1178
01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:10.479
journalists about the Octopus book treatment he'd
sent to them for discussion. Here,

1179
01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:14.960
he mentions to his colleagues that he
was leaving to meet an anonymous source that

1180
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.279
would make a pretty big dent in
this conspiracy. To Martinsburg, West Virginia,

1181
01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:24.840
a neighbor named Olga Mocros. I
don't know why I say that way.

1182
01:38:24.840 --> 01:38:30.199
Olga Mocros was Danny's longtime housekeeper and
she helped him pack for his trip.

1183
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:34.840
Olga asked Danny if she should spare
his she should prepare, sorry,

1184
01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:39.840
prepare his home for his son Trey, who was due to visit in about

1185
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:45.039
two weeks. Danny Cassilera told her
that she wouldn He sorry that he would

1186
01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:48.800
not see Trey anymore, and then
he led her to his basement his basement

1187
01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:54.119
office, i should say, and
showed Olga where he kept his will.

1188
01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:59.319
This was the last time she saw
Danny. Olga told the Village Voice.

1189
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.880
This is after, obviously that she
answered several threatening calls that day. One

1190
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:08.359
of them, for example, was
a man that said this is a quote.

1191
01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:12.319
Now I will cut his body and
throw it to the sharks. Shit.

1192
01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:19.159
On Wednesday, August seventh, Casilero's
close drinking buddy friend came to his

1193
01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:25.680
house for a visit. He described
Casilero's mood as exuberant and showed Mason papers

1194
01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:30.560
in his basement office. Mason recalls
seeing a photocopy of a passport of a

1195
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:35.960
young man named Ibrahim. This next
bit is mildly important. Mildly important,

1196
01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:40.199
and the reason I'm bringing it up, and the reason I'm bringing up this

1197
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:45.800
photo copy quote. On August twenty
ninth, nineteen ninety one, weeks after

1198
01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:50.039
Danny's death, and on September twenty
seventh, nineteen ninety one, the Martinsburg

1199
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:57.920
Police received copies of a passport photo
of an Arab named Hassan Ali Ibrahim Ali.

1200
01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:01.960
This may have been this same photograph
that Castilero had shown to Ben Mason

1201
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:08.159
in his basement office on Wednesday,
August seventh. There is no evidence that

1202
01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:13.640
Castelero ever met Ibraim, or that
Ibraim, whoever he is, had anything

1203
01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:18.680
to do with Castilero's death. It's
odd, but I wanted to mention that

1204
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:23.680
connection because his friend saw a photography
of a passport. It said, Abraim

1205
01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:29.840
looked Arab got to this time later
he recognizes it, you know, recognized

1206
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:33.600
that's such a personal document. Yeah, for someone to have a copy of

1207
01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:38.359
basement, Yeah, yeah, very
weird. I don't have much on that

1208
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:43.520
right now, but it's odd.
On Thursday, August eighth, Castilero drove

1209
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:47.760
to Martinsburg, West Virginia and checked
into the Sheraitan Inn just off of Interstate

1210
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:53.279
eighty one. Check in was between
noon and one o'clock in the afternoon.

1211
01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:57.000
He mentioned to the desk clerk that
he was late for a meeting, so

1212
01:40:57.039 --> 01:41:00.640
he'd have to open his room later, which is Room five to seven,

1213
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:04.800
and the clerk did notice Danny carrying
a beat up black or brown briefcase.

1214
01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:10.560
He wasn't sure. Danny headed to
the bar at the Stone Crab Inn and

1215
01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:15.319
mentions to the bartender, Tom Hatches, whom he recognized the year previous working

1216
01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:20.520
at the Sheraton, ind that he's
waiting to meet some Arabs. No one

1217
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:26.600
came, so at about one point
thirty Danny asked for some change and went

1218
01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:30.079
outside where a payphone was stationed,
but no one saw or heard the call.

1219
01:41:31.279 --> 01:41:35.359
From here, he goes to Pizza
Hut and drinks considerably more than his

1220
01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:41.479
food portions, which was a small
pizza. Leaving at four pm. Cassilero

1221
01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.720
then heads to Hartsfield's Lounge and the
bartender recalls his orders, starting off as

1222
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:51.439
bottled beer but switching to draft because
it was cheaper. They should tell you

1223
01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:55.840
a lot about his drinking. There's
three different places he's drinking in the afternoon,

1224
01:41:57.359 --> 01:42:02.960
just saying motherfucker drinks quote Hittrick.
The bartender did not see Cassilera talking

1225
01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:08.800
with any one else that night.
However, the bar maid, Kim Waters,

1226
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:13.840
told a different story. The police
originally met her by chance when they

1227
01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:16.119
went to the home of one of
the shirts and desk clerks to interview him

1228
01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:21.560
three days after Cassilero's death. She
happened to be at at the desk clerk's

1229
01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:28.479
home. The police showed her Casilero's
photograph. She said she remembered seeing him

1230
01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:31.319
at the bar, but could not
remember anything else. Later that day,

1231
01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:36.359
she contacted the police, saying she
had not remembered that Cassilero had arrived at

1232
01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:40.880
the bar at about five ten p
m. And that he had sat at

1233
01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:45.840
a table with another man whom she
described as dark skinned, like maybe Iranian

1234
01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:51.920
or Arabian. Oh Waters recalled that
both men were drinking draft beer, and

1235
01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:58.159
that the Arabian man was drinking very
fast and was very insistent that the bar

1236
01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:02.560
maids served him quickly. She claims
to have served four beers each to Castelero

1237
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.359
and the other man. She said
the other man paid for all the beers

1238
01:43:06.359 --> 01:43:12.560
in cash. Three days later,
Waters helped the police prepare a composite drawing

1239
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:17.199
of this Arabian person. No one
has been able to determine who this person

1240
01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:24.680
is was, if indeed there was
such a person. Wow, Okay,

1241
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:30.199
some plots definitely thickening here, like
corn starts on Sunday. I don't know.

1242
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:39.199
I gotta think Dona Rodde Bakers realized
I'm a star on Sunday. Yeah,

1243
01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:43.720
okay. That last part, if
indeed there was such a person,

1244
01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:48.560
is the bias of the author coming
out against any actual conspiracy like in play,

1245
01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:55.680
but I digress does the meeting with
the Middle Eastern fellow at Heartfield's heart

1246
01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:59.479
Heather Sorry, Heatherfields, I said, heart Fields. It's heather Fields Lounge.

1247
01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:02.840
Be this Ibrahim or related to him
in some way? I don't know.

1248
01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:09.520
Friday, August ninth is the last
day Danny Casselera was seen alive.

1249
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:14.760
Danny told the front desk that he'd
been staying an additional night. He wasn't

1250
01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:15.880
originally going to stay the nextra night. It was just supposed to be one

1251
01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:20.319
night, but he asked for another. Here's where I gotta tease you guys

1252
01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:26.720
with something juicy, but snatching it
back right after. Danny Cassillo had two

1253
01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:32.079
prime sources, actually fountains of information
for his Octopus book. One of them

1254
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:38.520
was a man named Bill Hamilton,
who's involved neck deep with the inslaw scandal

1255
01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:43.840
and the promised software and they had
a strong friendship. Bill was worried for

1256
01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:47.920
Danny on that Friday because there had
been days since their last phone call Monday

1257
01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:53.760
to be exact, and they keep
in touch nearly every day. It's kind

1258
01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:58.359
of cute. Actually, they used
to play chess over the phone. Yeah,

1259
01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:01.640
I love that. It's a real
romance. Bill knew of the meeting

1260
01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:06.800
but not the person, but that
it was related to the Octopus and expected

1261
01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:13.520
him back home earlier. Bill ended
up calling Danny's ex and in turn would

1262
01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:20.159
wait to hear back from Danny.
Obviously, it never happened. From the

1263
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:27.640
afternoon, Castelero's whereabouts are mostly known
drinking beer here, coffee, or eating

1264
01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:31.000
something there. At about six pm, he plays a collect call to his

1265
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:35.680
mother's house, saying that he might
not make his niece's birthday party since he

1266
01:45:35.760 --> 01:45:41.960
was still in Martinsburg. A little
after midnight, Castilero walked across the street

1267
01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:46.279
to the convenience store for some coffee
and made conversation with the clerk and another

1268
01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:51.880
witness before returning back to the hotel. The only times that are unaccounted for

1269
01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:57.520
are between noon and two o'clock and
six and nine pm, but he was

1270
01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.520
most likely in the hotel room.
That's what people say. That's kind of

1271
01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:04.039
what I say too, I guess. The next day, Saturday, August

1272
01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:10.439
tenth, Castilera was supposed to check
out at noon, so while at around

1273
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:15.079
one o'clock, the maid assigned to
the fifth floor went in, noticed the

1274
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:21.560
bathroom door hallway halfway open, saw
blood and called for help. Quote Castillaro's

1275
01:46:21.640 --> 01:46:27.399
nude body was in the bathtub,
The water was bloody, the water temperature

1276
01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:32.159
was cold. The tub was about
three to half was about half to three

1277
01:46:32.239 --> 01:46:38.640
fourths full. Castillarra was sitting with
his feet toward the faucet. He was

1278
01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:43.119
leaning against the side of the tub, his head slumped over the side.

1279
01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:46.319
His right arm was hanging over the
side of the tub, and his right

1280
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:51.119
hand was lying flat on the floor. His left hand was submerged underwater,

1281
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:58.800
tucked beneath his left thigh. Both
of Castilaro's wrists had cut wounds. The

1282
01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:02.880
fingernails on the thumb, forefinger,
and middle finger of his right hand appeared

1283
01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:13.039
to have been chewed. Danny's wrist
had been deeply slashed three or four on

1284
01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:17.560
his right wrist and seven or a
right on his left wow. Blood was

1285
01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:24.399
splattered on the walls and the floor. Next to the bathtub rested the wrapper

1286
01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:29.279
from the razor blade and a half
empty bottle of a Portuguese white wine.

1287
01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:33.399
An ashtray with three cigarette butts was
on top of the toilet tank, as

1288
01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:39.640
well as a pack of cigarettes among
Danny's fingerprints. Another was found on the

1289
01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:45.920
ashtray, and it has not been
identified to this day. Unfortunately, beyond

1290
01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:50.880
speculation, I have nothing else on
this ashtray. There were no signs of

1291
01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:56.720
a struggle or fourth entry to the
bathroom or hotel room. The rooms adjacent

1292
01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:00.319
and a cross room five point seventeen
were full as part of one party of

1293
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:05.520
people in town for a soccer game. They heard nothing unusual throughout the night,

1294
01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:11.640
and they didn't leave their rooms till
morning. His wallet and identification was

1295
01:48:11.680 --> 01:48:16.000
found in the room. The police
also found a large black cope bag which

1296
01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:21.159
contained an empty bottle of Vicodin pills, one box of hefty trash bags with

1297
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:26.960
two bags missing from the role,
an unopened second bottle of the same white

1298
01:48:27.000 --> 01:48:32.399
wine, one corkscrew, and three
packs of cigarettes. I should note here

1299
01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:39.600
that the vicant empty bottle of Vikadin
was the last remnants of his subscription he

1300
01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:44.600
had from a dental surgery he had
the year previous. I see they heard

1301
01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:47.439
that later. I didn't write that
here. I don't know why. Lastly,

1302
01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:53.520
illegal pad was found on the nightstand
in room five point seventeen. A

1303
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:58.800
single page was torn from the pad
and it read to those who I love

1304
01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:02.279
the most, Please forgive me for
the worst for the worst possible thing I

1305
01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:06.479
could have done. Most of all, I'm sorry to my son. I

1306
01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:14.800
know deep down inside that God will
let me in. Oh man, that's

1307
01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:18.800
sad. Yeah, we don't say
yeah, Well, I mean, so

1308
01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:21.840
if you killed himself. There's a
couple of reasons, I guess right.

1309
01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:27.880
One is sounds like he was in
sort of financial ruin, which is very

1310
01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:32.920
embarrassing for an adult male. Right
it's a bad place to find yourself.

1311
01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:39.119
Very embarrassing. Uh too, you
know he was onto this octopus thing?

1312
01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:45.119
Did someone kill him and stage the
scene? But ThReD and his family you

1313
01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:50.039
know him, right? Yeah?
Yeah? Absolutely? And then of course

1314
01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:55.119
this uh, this dark skinned fellow, you know, we don't know who

1315
01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:59.159
he is and what happened to him? The source, right, the source,

1316
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:00.880
Yeah, the Wow, there's a
lot going on. There, a

1317
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:05.800
lot going on here. You're right. Signs of suicide are parent and no

1318
01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:12.479
one would think otherwise or anything else
upon first hearing the details or walking into

1319
01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:16.439
the bathroom. Right, this might
be the best time to insert another clip.

1320
01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:21.319
Have you heard of a show called
Unsolved Mysteries? You know, I

1321
01:50:21.359 --> 01:50:25.039
have? I love it? Yeah, I've on't seen a few episodes that

1322
01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:30.520
way. It's a TV show that
started in nineteen eighty seven and had eleven

1323
01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:35.800
seasons with different celebrity hosts. Not
unlike Twilight Zone, Unsolved Mysteries has had

1324
01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:42.319
a resurgence lately when Netflix renewed it
on their platform. The show focused on

1325
01:50:42.399 --> 01:50:47.920
real cases of perplexing disappearances, shocking
murders, and paranormal encounters, kind of

1326
01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:53.159
like SOS, the TV show you
know, Oh, one could only dream.

1327
01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:55.640
One could only dream, right?
Can you imagine being at a TV

1328
01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:57.079
show host? I don't that I
could do it? My hair, I

1329
01:50:57.159 --> 01:51:02.640
forget it. I'm the makeup tone
noise. On March tenth, nineteen ninety

1330
01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:08.720
three, Unsolved Mysteries released their twenty
fourth episode of their fifth season. In

1331
01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:13.680
one of the topics, the first
one actually was about Danny Casilero. Let's

1332
01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:20.600
hear a segment of it. It
is edited for time and spoilers. Just

1333
01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:26.039
a few days before Danny Castilearro died, he told friends that he was on

1334
01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:30.960
the verge of breaking a huge story. Danny claimed to have proof that some

1335
01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:36.680
officials in the US Justice Department were
corrupt. Many suspect that Danny's death was

1336
01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:42.560
not a suicide. They believe that
he was murdered because he was the man

1337
01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:45.720
who knew too much for direct connections
with some of the underworld crime figures.

1338
01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:49.199
Not only Danny Casilo stepped into a
world that he didn't belong in, the

1339
01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:54.560
type of people that he became involved
with lae just as a matter of course,

1340
01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:58.880
they lie, they cheat. There
are people who've been involved in numerous

1341
01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:03.840
murders, dealing drugs, deal in
Halms and Danny Casilo thought he could find

1342
01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:11.960
his way through this labry by himself. That was a mistake. Then the

1343
01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:14.399
guys that I've been working with,
my contacts, and they're calling me and

1344
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:15.600
say, look, Danny, you're
getting too close. You're going to get

1345
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:20.079
hurt. Back off. A week
before he died, Danny told his brother

1346
01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:25.600
Tony that he had been receiving death
threats. I don't recognize your voices.

1347
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.199
I don't know where they're coming from. They're just saying you are going to

1348
01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:32.039
die. I'll tell you this,
Solf when I go to Martinsburg. If

1349
01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:36.000
something happens to me, or if
I should get hurt, don't believe it's

1350
01:52:36.000 --> 01:52:45.560
an accident. Danny arrived in Martinsburg
with all of his notes and documents two

1351
01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:50.880
days before he died. He was
scheduled to meet with several informants and complete

1352
01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:57.439
his investigation. He believed one of
these new contacts would deliver key evidence about

1353
01:52:57.439 --> 01:53:01.880
the finances of the Octopus. The
day before he died, Danny met with

1354
01:53:02.039 --> 01:53:08.000
William Turner. He was a former
employee of a major defense contractor. He

1355
01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:11.720
has some documentation. Do you have
something for me? According to Turner,

1356
01:53:12.119 --> 01:53:19.279
he gave Danny papers showing the corruption
that Danny believed was tied to the octopus,

1357
01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:26.399
but within twenty four hours, Danny
Castilero was dead. There was no

1358
01:53:26.479 --> 01:53:31.159
sign of Turner's documents or Danny's research
papers. To this day, not one

1359
01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:36.239
of those papers has been found.
The media was all over the story.

1360
01:53:36.680 --> 01:53:45.159
West Virginia authorities opened the formal investigation
and ordered an autopsy. Assistant medical Zamer

1361
01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:46.840
for the State of West Virginia he
said, well, you know, he's

1362
01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:49.920
already been embalmed, and that's going
to make it a little difficult. And

1363
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:54.439
I said, what are you talking
about. He's already been embombed. And

1364
01:53:54.520 --> 01:53:59.600
he said, well, he was
embombed apparently already. He said, you

1365
01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:01.800
didn't know that. I said,
absolutely not. I said, we didn't

1366
01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:08.119
give any permission. I'm now going
to cut the sutures to examine the wounds.

1367
01:54:08.439 --> 01:54:13.640
The autopsy confirmed that Danny had bled
to death from the twelve razor cuts,

1368
01:54:14.079 --> 01:54:18.439
but more importantly, it revealed that
Danny wasn't alone in his hotel room

1369
01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:26.039
during his last moments. There was
on The actual autopsy report described a bruise

1370
01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:30.000
on the arm and a bruise on
the head, which were never accounted for.

1371
01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:34.600
I was told there were no signs
of any struggle. Additionally, the

1372
01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:41.199
tips of three fingernails were missing from
one hand when Danny's hotel room was cleaned

1373
01:54:41.279 --> 01:54:45.319
the day after. Is that by
a professional cleaning crew? Important evidence was

1374
01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:53.560
destroyed. One of the housekeepers saw
two bloody towels in the bathroom minutes after

1375
01:54:53.640 --> 01:54:59.840
Danny's body was found. It looked
like they were used to wipe blood off

1376
01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:05.720
the bathroom floor. The police reports
of the investigation certainly not a professional Fingerprints

1377
01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:10.840
get lost, messed up. They
drained the tub without austraina sloppy work.

1378
01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:14.680
Police have a rule in this country, and government people have a rule.

1379
01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:18.159
When they screw up, they cover
up. Said, but true. Do

1380
01:55:18.279 --> 01:55:24.920
I think they covered up here?
Yes? I do. Even Danny's funeral

1381
01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:30.119
was clouded by mystery. At the
funeral, a highly decorated military officer arrived

1382
01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:35.039
in a limousine near the end of
the service. No one recognized him.

1383
01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:41.920
What did they do? The man
carefully placed a medal on the casket just

1384
01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:46.600
before was lowered into the ground.
And we went back to Francis's house,

1385
01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:50.520
Danny's mother's house, And I said
Francis, who was the military man,

1386
01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:55.439
and she said, I thought,
you know, and we asked everyone there.

1387
01:55:55.560 --> 01:55:58.600
There had to be fifty people at
Francis. No one knew who they

1388
01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:03.520
were. No one. Sorry if
the editing was choppy, but I didn't

1389
01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:08.319
want to spoil you guys on information
that is way too dense, especially in

1390
01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:12.399
a TV program. If you do
watch the episode, just know that there's

1391
01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:19.000
two layers deeper that I'll be sharing
in part two. According to what I

1392
01:56:19.079 --> 01:56:27.680
have, the embalming did occur before
the family was notified. Martinsburg City paramedic

1393
01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:32.439
David Brining was asked by Charles Brown, owner of Brown's Funeral home, if

1394
01:56:32.439 --> 01:56:39.319
the body could be embalmed. Brianing
did release the body, and because the

1395
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:45.199
death was deemed to be a suicide, no autopsy was necessary. Two mistakes

1396
01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:48.279
occur from this. The first is
that Brown doesn't do a full job of

1397
01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:55.279
embalming Danny's body, missing his bladder
and liver. The second is that Brining

1398
01:56:55.760 --> 01:57:00.079
should have made sure that the next
of kin was notified first before releasing the

1399
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:05.920
body. Under West Virginia law,
a deceased body may not be embalmed unless

1400
01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:11.199
the authorities have first made due inquiry
as to the desires of the next of

1401
01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:16.079
kin. However, it was common
practice for funeral homes in Martinsburg to do

1402
01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:21.279
this when dealing with outsiders, people
who didn't live there. This part was

1403
01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:28.520
reported heavily and cited as a strange
fact that supports conspiracy and murder. I

1404
01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:32.039
cannot say for sure, people do
make mistakes and all, but adding in

1405
01:57:32.119 --> 01:57:36.760
the revolving evidence of what Danny knew
and what we know, and it doesn't

1406
01:57:36.760 --> 01:57:41.560
look good for just the suicide,
you know what I'm saying. I mean,

1407
01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:45.640
it certainly raised eyebrows. Yes,
yes, for sure when I read

1408
01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:47.079
that, Like, come on,
anyway, I mean, do they even

1409
01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:51.520
make any attempt to contact Trey for
example Danny's no, no, no,

1410
01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:54.560
I'm about to get into a little
bit of that, but no they don't.

1411
01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:58.880
I mean they do eventually, but
not before the embalming. It's my

1412
01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:03.600
point. You know. The Cassilera
family weren't notified of Danny's death until August

1413
01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:11.800
eleventh. Martinsburg police say it was
miscommunication within the officers, but again,

1414
01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:18.680
who knows regardless. Upon hearing the
news, Anthony Cassilero immediately asked Detective Swarth

1415
01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:25.479
Swartwood, sorry, who was assigned
to Casilero and placed the initial call to

1416
01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:30.840
perform an autopsy immediately that his brother
had warned him that his life might be

1417
01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:35.359
in danger. There are a couple
of conflicting things in the Unsolved Mysteries clip,

1418
01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:40.920
though. The first is that the
paramedic Brining did find a bruise on

1419
01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:45.640
Cassilero's arm, but an injury,
even a minor one, was not mentioned

1420
01:58:45.680 --> 01:58:48.520
to the head of the head,
so the video says it was a headwe

1421
01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:54.760
Banara there was no one in her
report. The video also talks about how

1422
01:58:54.800 --> 01:58:59.159
a professional cleaning crew came the next
day to rid the room of any evidence.

1423
01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:02.840
That is not true or at least
rubs against with what I read,

1424
01:59:03.439 --> 01:59:08.880
which is that the room was left
undisturbed the rest of Saturday and all day

1425
01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:13.960
Sunday. What is odd is that
police did not officially seal the room before

1426
01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:18.479
they left. The hotel manager left
the room undisturbed. It was a civilian

1427
01:59:18.520 --> 01:59:26.000
who kept the room undisturbed, not
the authorities. Now, the bloody towels

1428
01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:30.960
in the bathroom is interesting. Officials
said that Danny, in a drunken stupor

1429
01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:33.920
or and delirium from the loss of
blood, saw the blood on the floor

1430
01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:36.680
and wanted to clean it up,
you know, to not make a mistake

1431
01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:41.840
or I'm a mess. Sorry.
I guess it is possible, but logically

1432
01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:46.479
it could mean that someone was there
or came afterward and cleaned the bloody footprint

1433
01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:53.119
they made in the bathroom. With
the other mistakes Martinsburg police made, it

1434
01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:59.039
is just as likely that evidence of
struggle or suspicious activities were found in room

1435
01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:03.000
five point seventeen, but the trampling
done by authorities caused them to cover it

1436
02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:09.279
up to avoid shame and repercussion.
M hmm. There's a lot more to

1437
02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:12.000
talk about, but we are nearing
the end here. But what do you

1438
02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:18.600
think of that so far? Why
would they leave the room unsealed? Do

1439
02:00:18.680 --> 02:00:24.159
they want someone to walk in there
and screw screw the crime scene? Well,

1440
02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:27.720
it's obvious that they thought it was
a simple suicide, but still I

1441
02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:30.840
don't know how that works with I
don't know how procedure works in that sense,

1442
02:00:31.399 --> 02:00:34.079
but either way, they should probably
keep away anyone that might come in.

1443
02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:39.079
Right, it's still bloody and shed, absolutely right, and then a

1444
02:00:39.159 --> 02:00:43.560
bruise to the head. Yeah,
so right, So the edit magic of

1445
02:00:43.640 --> 02:00:45.760
editing, You didn't actually hear the
clip. Everyone else did. But on

1446
02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:51.600
the clip in the Unsolved Mysteries they
say that two bruises were found on Danny's

1447
02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:56.399
body that the brother was not aware
of. You know, he was only

1448
02:00:56.439 --> 02:00:59.199
aware of the slashes to his wrists, right, But one bruise was on

1449
02:00:59.279 --> 02:01:01.720
his arm, upper arm, and
then the other supposedly his head. That's

1450
02:01:01.720 --> 02:01:06.439
what the Unsolved Mysteries clip says.
That is not true with what I read.

1451
02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:11.920
The paramedic brinding found the bruise on
the arm, sure, but not

1452
02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:15.359
the head. So community the differences
like where they embellished something? Okay,

1453
02:01:15.399 --> 02:01:18.439
at least what I could find.
The other one being the towels maybe,

1454
02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:21.359
but I want to mention as much
of the details as I can, at

1455
02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:26.640
least the weird ones. And yeah, use towles clean up bloody footprint.

1456
02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:30.239
Right, that was all my theory
right there, But yeah, still that

1457
02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:36.199
could be that. Wow, where
am I fuck hold on? Okay?

1458
02:01:36.199 --> 02:01:43.920
Here's two more things that the clip
talks about are Bill Turner and the military

1459
02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:48.680
presence at Danny's funeral. The Bill
Turner element is a cog in a bigger

1460
02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:54.159
discussion, and I honestly don't know
if he and Danny met on August ninth,

1461
02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:58.520
nineteen ninety one. As he said, either way, his role in

1462
02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:02.119
the Octopus conspiracy is more than just
a meeting. The fun thing about the

1463
02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:09.039
military officer that no relative or friend
of Danny's recognized is that I do not

1464
02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:13.680
yet know what that's about. I'm
still very much reading and discovering new things

1465
02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:16.600
each day, but I'll try to
get to the bottom of it. Maybe

1466
02:02:16.640 --> 02:02:20.560
just one of his sources or something
could be. But we don't know why

1467
02:02:20.560 --> 02:02:26.680
he had a home general looking guy. You know, we don't know anything

1468
02:02:26.680 --> 02:02:30.600
about him so far. I don't
yet. Yeah. One thing that I

1469
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:34.239
haven't mentioned, and this is kind
of important, and I'm surprised you haven't

1470
02:02:34.239 --> 02:02:42.439
thought of it. You know what's
missing the hotel room. I don't Keith,

1471
02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:46.079
no, his work, his papers, where's his briefcase? I mentioned

1472
02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:49.039
everything that was found in the room
that was not one of them. Oh

1473
02:02:50.079 --> 02:02:56.159
Oh shit, there you go.
What you'd say about that? Sorry,

1474
02:02:56.239 --> 02:03:00.000
I'm sleeping on the job. Yeah, because you mentioned how everyone always talks

1475
02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:05.079
about how characteristic. Yes, yes, his beat up brown or black m

1476
02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:12.159
briefcase which was at the restaurants,
right bartender seen it and everything? Yeah,

1477
02:03:12.479 --> 02:03:14.880
keep it in his car sometimes when
he drank. But they searched his

1478
02:03:14.960 --> 02:03:19.199
car and they found nothing. Nothing
like that. Well, that's as volumes

1479
02:03:19.239 --> 02:03:24.039
right there. It's still missing,
by the way, it's gone. Really

1480
02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:28.960
it's gone. It's connected to the
octopus. Then, I mean, there's

1481
02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:30.319
the evidence right there. Yeah.
I really wanted to say it to the

1482
02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:33.279
very end. I'm at the last
paragraph here, but yeah, well think

1483
02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:38.319
his his wallet was left there.
Nothing, He's were there too, That's

1484
02:03:38.359 --> 02:03:40.640
why they found the car, and
like, everything looks fine in the car,

1485
02:03:40.840 --> 02:03:44.520
but they didn't find the fucking briefcase. But the briefcase. Wow,

1486
02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:48.079
well played, accordion of files.
Nothing. I like the way you set

1487
02:03:48.119 --> 02:03:50.880
that up. Well played, Thank
you. I want to put that in

1488
02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:56.079
there for sure. So that's a
big that's one of the big conspiracy hold

1489
02:03:56.079 --> 02:03:58.000
lots, like, hey, what
about the fucking papers? You know?

1490
02:03:58.600 --> 02:04:03.720
Anyway, In the meantime, know
that I am supremely confident that even a

1491
02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:09.279
veteran skeptic of conspiracies will raise their
eyebrows when I'm done with all of this.

1492
02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:15.880
The connections are too big to fail
easily researchable. What becomes complicated is

1493
02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:21.039
discerning what is embellished and what isn't
what's complicated or too easy to connect.

1494
02:04:21.439 --> 02:04:27.000
There is a lot of interesting scraps
of information left on the ground floor for

1495
02:04:27.119 --> 02:04:32.119
this show that could almost double the
word count. With that, keep in

1496
02:04:32.159 --> 02:04:38.399
mind that the next show will define
a generation of lying, backstabbing, and

1497
02:04:38.479 --> 02:04:44.199
killing and all in the name of
money, power and disbelief. Join us,

1498
02:04:44.359 --> 02:05:46.600
won't you? For the Octopus conspiracy? Cool? Because others this thing

1499
02:05:46.640 --> 02:05:51.039
will be a hot box. Do
you have a Do you have windows in

1500
02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:55.239
that room? Yeah? Yeah,
well obviously is sticking out of a window,

1501
02:05:55.279 --> 02:05:58.000
but the windows. Oh it's a
window unit. Oh, I'm surprised

1502
02:05:58.000 --> 02:06:00.079
I can hear it right that.
Yeah, that's why I thought you thought

1503
02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:06.279
I meant central area. No,
no, yeah, I mean if I

1504
02:06:06.279 --> 02:06:11.199
put this thing, yeah, I
don't think I could hear it. Oh

1505
02:06:11.239 --> 02:06:14.039
yeah, then now I could hear
a little bit. Even at that point.

1506
02:06:14.039 --> 02:06:16.199
It's just very faint. It's cool. I'm surprised. I'm I'm happier

1507
02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:20.880
I could keep it on. Oh, I'm doing something from the plast from

1508
02:06:20.920 --> 02:06:24.079
the past. So you know,
I told you I've been listened to our

1509
02:06:24.119 --> 02:06:28.520
previous episodes. One of them we
talked about how well there was a there

1510
02:06:28.600 --> 02:06:30.840
was a bit of episodes there in
a row where I will come to your

1511
02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:35.319
house. This is before COVID obviously, and we record there and you would

1512
02:06:35.359 --> 02:06:40.880
obviously serve me some drink, and
one of them was UV blue and Fanta.

1513
02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:45.560
So guess what I got? No
way, mm hmm. That episode

1514
02:06:45.640 --> 02:06:48.760
reminded me, so I to re
stock last week or week before I got

1515
02:06:48.760 --> 02:06:55.079
the UV Blue. Yeah, i'man
drinking in here and there. Cool,

1516
02:06:55.279 --> 02:06:58.800
I don't have any I don't have
any UV Blue. I have to get

1517
02:06:58.840 --> 02:07:03.359
some. Yeah, gotta get some. Yeah, that that's a yeah.

1518
02:07:03.399 --> 02:07:08.359
We're listening to our episodes has really
helped me out here on some stuff.

1519
02:07:09.600 --> 02:07:13.319
Cool, like like what I know
some ideas that you were listening last time?

1520
02:07:13.399 --> 02:07:15.279
Oh yeah, that that means that's
I guess that's what I mean.

1521
02:07:15.319 --> 02:07:19.319
The UV Blue is probably like a
weird example compared to others. But all

1522
02:07:19.399 --> 02:07:24.279
right, do you want to do
I assume both back to back this one

1523
02:07:24.319 --> 02:07:28.720
in Patreon? Yeah, what do
you wanna or do you wanna? Okay,

1524
02:07:28.720 --> 02:07:30.760
well, do you want to see
where we are after the main one?

1525
02:07:30.119 --> 02:07:39.239
Yeah? Okay, that's because we
have until technically Wednesday, right for

1526
02:07:39.399 --> 02:07:46.640
Patreon Tuesday Tuesday, it's right,
because we're not do anything on the first

1527
02:07:46.680 --> 02:07:51.439
of the next month, on the
end of this month. Yeah, so

1528
02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:58.239
if anything tomorrow, I don't know
what you're up to. Uh, just

1529
02:07:58.560 --> 02:08:03.279
I mean I'm out how many well, how many pages is this first episode

1530
02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:11.520
here? Oh? Thirty four?
Shit? Shit? If I what,

1531
02:08:13.479 --> 02:08:16.039
I don't know if I'll be it's
already eleven almost eleven thirty. I don't

1532
02:08:16.039 --> 02:08:20.079
know if I could do because tomorrow
is a workday. I do have beats

1533
02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:22.520
also, where like you might want
to ask questions and shit or whatever.

1534
02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:28.039
But yeah, thirty four And honestly
it might be the shortest one if I

1535
02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:31.960
make two more parts. So I
think I'm gonna break one hundred pages total.

1536
02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:37.039
I was saying, what might break
one hundred pages? You have no

1537
02:08:37.079 --> 02:08:39.920
idea what there is out there?
So what's up? Oh that's something I'm

1538
02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:43.640
gonna have to mention and I'm gonna
have to work that in there somehow,

1539
02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:50.640
that this topic overall might break one
hundred page script right and m okay,

1540
02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:54.199
like part two again. I mean
I haven't just done this thing. I

1541
02:08:54.199 --> 02:08:58.720
mean I literally finished this part one
last night, and I think I'm gonna

1542
02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:01.119
have to like wing the very end
a little because I think I just wrote

1543
02:09:01.119 --> 02:09:05.840
it. I was like five am. This is five am. But after

1544
02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:07.960
six ye, I don't remember anymore. I was like trying getting to go

1545
02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:11.199
to sleep, but I can't wait
till the market. I'm recording, right,

1546
02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:13.279
I have to work, so I'm
like I'm running and I'm just put

1547
02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:16.159
his fucking ending whatever ended, and
I'm like thinking doing work, like I

1548
02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:22.520
should probably figure out how juice your
ending there. So all right, let's

1549
02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:28.000
see, let's see how this goes. All right, waiting for the countdown,

1550
02:09:28.039 --> 02:09:33.000
You got the vapors, right,
You're good. I went and I

1551
02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:37.960
reached over to my mouth to like
press stop because I've been recording with I'm

1552
02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:41.840
like, wait, I'm must stop
this. Oh no, I'll rolling right.

1553
02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:45.239
I'm like, what the what am
I doing? Jesus hold yourself?

1554
02:09:45.399 --> 02:09:54.680
Are you rust at doing the s
O show? Yeah? You know,

1555
02:09:54.760 --> 02:09:58.279
one thing I realized with doing this, this particular Octopus show, is that

1556
02:09:58.359 --> 02:10:05.199
I'm really better reading. Takes me
so long to read you mean read the

1557
02:10:05.319 --> 02:10:07.640
script that you write or no,
no, no resources, read the sources

1558
02:10:07.760 --> 02:10:13.960
I see. I see. Also, fascinatingly, I that's the right word.

1559
02:10:15.680 --> 02:10:18.000
I never you know, I always
kind of like I tend to for

1560
02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:20.159
all of our previous shows. I
think almost it's not a one hundred percent,

1561
02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:22.720
nearly a hundred percent of all of
our previous shows that I've ever done

1562
02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:26.439
research for, I always start with
Wikipedia and I go from there, you

1563
02:10:26.439 --> 02:10:28.880
know, I find whatever they have
sourced, and then go from there.

1564
02:10:28.920 --> 02:10:31.800
And the need to build levels deep
as you can. Yeah, this one

1565
02:10:31.960 --> 02:10:37.479
opposite. I never even touched Wikipedia
only to find some background informal town,

1566
02:10:37.960 --> 02:10:41.039
like just basic info on the on
a county and a town. Never even

1567
02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:45.279
looked at the Wikipedia. That's how
much shit. I didn't need it anything.

1568
02:10:45.520 --> 02:10:50.560
It's cool. Yeah, that is
wild man, didn't even need it.

1569
02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:52.840
That blew my mind that two days
ago when I realized, I'm like,

1570
02:10:52.840 --> 02:10:56.640
like, that's true, shit,
because you're you're so right. I

1571
02:10:56.640 --> 02:11:01.560
mean, usually of the place to
start, Yeah, it really is.

1572
02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:05.640
It gets kind of the juices flown. It gives you real good high level

1573
02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:07.760
information, and then, like you
said, you branch out from there and

1574
02:11:07.880 --> 02:11:11.359
go deeper and deeper. But to
not have to do that, that's great,

1575
02:11:11.720 --> 02:11:15.560
m And I even realize you didn't
have to do it. Yeah,

1576
02:11:15.960 --> 02:11:20.520
because I started with the books.
That's why. Probably is it Okay,

1577
02:11:22.920 --> 02:11:26.439
is it okay for me to mention, you know, I'll come up with

1578
02:11:26.479 --> 02:11:30.199
something to say. But the octopus
murders, Yeah, that's what it's called.

1579
02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:33.640
I mean, no, mean,
I have a whole intro that intro

1580
02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:37.000
said, you know, you know, I'm just talking dramatic about it.

1581
02:11:37.039 --> 02:11:39.720
So there's a little flare in the
beginning, not much at the end because

1582
02:11:39.720 --> 02:11:43.520
like I said, I wrote it
very fast at the end. But otherwise,

1583
02:11:43.760 --> 02:11:48.840
yeah, I really I should try
to hit I had this whole theory

1584
02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:52.600
in my head about this whole thought
process in my head of like showing how

1585
02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:54.640
you know, these people ain't no
angels, including Danny Kesseler. He had

1586
02:11:54.680 --> 02:11:58.399
problems, So I hope I did
a good job of portraying the you know,

1587
02:11:58.479 --> 02:12:01.479
he had problems and issues. It
could still be suicide. It could

1588
02:12:01.520 --> 02:12:05.399
also very much not likely. It's
like equal parts both, you know.

1589
02:12:05.479 --> 02:12:09.800
Yeah, but I mean I think
anyone would lean towards most likely conspiracy.

1590
02:12:11.239 --> 02:12:16.199
I mean, I can my theory
honestly on this is that honestly is that

1591
02:12:16.479 --> 02:12:20.680
he was threatened, convincingly threatened,
either in person or through the phone,

1592
02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:26.760
to commit suicide to save his family, save his probably his kid, let's

1593
02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:31.399
say, and and then someone came
in check to make sure it was done,

1594
02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:35.359
cleaned the footprint, took the papers, and left one hundred percent.

1595
02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:39.479
That's had to have That's what happened. That's very good. That's what I

1596
02:12:39.479 --> 02:12:45.159
think happened. I think he really
did commit suicide in the video. Again

1597
02:12:45.239 --> 02:12:48.720
you have you have seen the unsolved
mysteries yet, But in the video they

1598
02:12:48.760 --> 02:12:52.399
mentioned and the other sources mentioned this
too, that one of the cuts on

1599
02:12:52.479 --> 02:12:58.039
his left fist was so deep that
it cut at tendon. I didn't mention

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it, even though it's meant and
other sources. One because I forgot,

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but two it's because I don't think
I would have mentioned it, or I

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would have said it just to dismiss
it, because it's not set in the

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reports and the and the parameters start
to support the autopsy they did after the

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embombing, which led to nowhere.
Because the embombing gets what can clear out

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all toxics of anything in there anyway, it fucks up the autopsy. There's

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no results. The bombing fucked everything
up. That's why I made him sure.

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I put it there because the brother
wanted the autopsy right immediately. But

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it was embombed already. All the
upetance is fucked up. What can you

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get out of it except for a
surface level shit that and nothing would deliver

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the no. No. But it
was common practice for West Virginia to do

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that with outsider but they were but
they weren't supposed to do that until the

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next of kin was notified. They
skipped that step. It was still a

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step they skipped, but it was
still common practice to do that. Yeah,

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very weird. It is weird.
Sh