1 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:18,559 What is crap iraq and hard monopolists? I m Dance Valley coming out without 2 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,280 my binnabulous co host at a Framo. I have a Fake Trades Galore pod 3 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,679 to drop with you alongside Leach Report colleague and good friend Brian to Porrek. 4 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:35,240 Follow him on Twitter at B two porek at bt O p O r e 5 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,840 K. He also covers the NBA at Forbes and he is the co host 6 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,479 of the NBA Pod. Follow them at the NBA Pod. We're gonna get 7 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,840 to the fake trades in the second. This is actually the second intro I 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,439 recorded, and my first one was super swift. I promise, but I 9 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,079 was trying to hold the podcast until Monday morning. I no longer did that 10 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:55,880 because we have a trade. And so not only did they edit out the 11 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,240 three trades that involved the players that were mentioned in this, but we're also 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,359 going to talk about that trade. So Lowards reported that Caros Lavert is headed 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,799 to Cleveland. He will go along with a second round pick from the Miami 14 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:15,239 Heat in twenty twenty two four going back to Indiana. Ricky Rubio, a 15 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:21,359 lottery protected twenty twenty two first twenty twenty two second round pick via the Rockets 16 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,280 and a twenty twenty seven second round pick via Utah. As of right now, 17 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,040 those selections that in the year getting this year, Cleveland twenty twenty two 18 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,280 first would be number twenty three and that Houston second round would be number thirty 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,239 three, And so I think those numbers are important to keep in mind because 20 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:44,239 I don't I didn't see like any super controversial takes against this, but I 21 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,560 did kind of see people hinting at the idea Cleveland was somehow pushing its chips 22 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:53,480 in with this, worried they're worried about Caros Lavert's fit. On the first 23 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,120 point, I overwhelmingly disagree. Giving up two picks in the thirties because the 24 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:02,400 calves are that good this year is not going to hurt you, And that 25 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:07,239 two twenty twenty seven Utah pick could look kind of juicy, depending on what 26 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,319 you think about the sustainability of what's going on with the Jazz this season. 27 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,800 But you were able to pick up Lavert, who the Pacers wanted two first 28 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:16,879 round picks, for the fact they got two picks in the thirties is closer 29 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,439 to their asking price than not. Lavert probably makes you better, I know, 30 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,759 there will be a lot of people that miss Rubio and will lament his 31 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,400 absence because of how good of a job he did, sort of igniting Cleveland's 32 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:37,159 second unit. I totally hear that, and I I think Lavert I don't 33 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:39,840 think. I think Lavert gives the Calves a higher ceiling when we're talking come 34 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:44,639 playoff time. I've usual to see how much value Rubio really has for the 35 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:50,039 Calves. He's also entering free agency, and Lavert has another year left on 36 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,240 his deal the Caves. By the way, you're saving like three hundred k 37 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:54,599 as part of this trade, which will give them closer to four million dollars 38 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:59,080 in wiggle room under the tax. That's just something to keep in mind should 39 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,639 they make other moves, so they sort of have another they're kind of kicking 40 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:07,520 the can in terms of when it comes to committing to a certain three guard 41 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:10,840 rotation because they're gonna have to pay context in this summer restricted free agency unless 42 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:15,439 he unless they wind up trading him before the deadline. You can argue whether 43 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,039 you think this trade makes it more or less likely. I think it's probably 44 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:21,280 just a neutral on that. I don't think it really makes sense to move 45 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,159 him while he's in injury. He's expected to miss the rest of the season 46 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:29,719 after tearing meniscus in his left knee, and now I know if you're resigning 47 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,120 him to a longer term deal. My bet is that his value probably goes 48 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,759 down restricted free agency. There's not a lot of teams with cap space, 49 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,039 and just coming off this type of an injury, it gives Cleveland some leverage. 50 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:39,719 That sucks for Sexton. I hope he still gets a crap ton of 51 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:45,800 money, But so for LeVert specifically, I do think he's better built to 52 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,120 play off others than he has been in years past. He's shooting almost thirty 53 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,360 nine percent on catching shoot threes this year. He's always kind of hinted at 54 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,120 and off the dribble three that has not been falling up the same clip this 55 00:03:57,199 --> 00:03:59,960 year. There was a long stretch sort of in the middle of the season 56 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,680 where that was falling, but he is. He's sub thirty percent on off 57 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:08,479 the dribble threes this year. As superstar from Indie Cornrows, Kaitlyn Cooper has 58 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,360 noted I think she said it on this podcast where she's written about it a 59 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,080 few times too. He has existed as sort of a separatist Indiana's offense. 60 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 It would not surprise me if he leads the league in the percentage of attempted 61 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:24,040 screens that he rejects, because it does always seem like he's kind of refusing 62 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:29,319 a screen, whether it's tacitly or actually animatedly and like pointing to reject it. 63 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,399 So there's that to consider. But he gives you someone to better run 64 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,480 the second unit. He also gives you a person on the wings who can 65 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,680 handle the ball and put real, real pressure on the rim. That's something 66 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,720 like Kevins didn't really have in the first place. I think, you know, 67 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,439 when Colin Sexton went down, he was getting to the rim at at 68 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:50,120 a really good clip. And Isaaca Coro takes more than half the shots at 69 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,439 the rim. But he's not something that necessarily want handing the ball. Nord 70 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:59,079 teams have to necessarily respect his mid range jumper. He's gonna take corner threes 71 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,879 this season, or he's gonna try and get to the rim mostly off the 72 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:04,600 ball. That's what he does. You're not you know, Lamar Stevens, 73 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,639 Brandon Goodwin, those aren't guys that you can rely on to handle the ball 74 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,160 on high volume and put actual pressure on the rim, and nearly thirty percent 75 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,879 of Lavert shots are coming at the basket this year. That is decidedly above 76 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:19,120 average for a player at his position. Perkley in the glast, he's finishing 77 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,360 it a sixty four percent clip there, and you do get a little bit 78 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,639 of the at least the threat of the off the dribble juice. I think 79 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,120 work gets interesting. He was just not a facilitator. There seems something seemed 80 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,920 to like turn an Indian where he wasn't being kind of how Sacramento stream blind 81 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:39,160 to Aaron Fox's offensive role a little bit and gave Halibert and more control. 82 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Lavert has been more of a score this season for Indie. I do think 83 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:45,759 he has that playmaking in him. We've seen it in Brooklyn. I think 84 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,800 even in Indie we've kind of shown it. If you have bigs that where 85 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,079 they're you know, their runs or just their games in general aren't going to 86 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,439 stall out before the basket, he will be able to find them, or 87 00:05:56,439 --> 00:06:00,480 maybe if they're hanging around the dunker spot. Excuse me. We've seen him 88 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,199 throw some needles through through tight windows. He can be really patient once he 89 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,800 gets into the lane and vary and change up his speeds. So I think 90 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,639 if you are are putting the right bigs around him, and in Evan Mobley 91 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:15,800 and former teammate Jared Allen, I think you do. Those are two really 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,279 smart biggs. We know how to move off the ball. The other thing 93 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:21,079 you do want around him to really emphasize his playmaking would probably be more shooting, 94 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,600 which neither. When you look at some of the lineups and Indie he 95 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,120 was in, they didn't have a ton in Cleveland's not. You know they're 96 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,560 gonna be harder up probably for those types of lineups. But you can't get 97 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,160 away playing him with Darius Garland. And if you are really worried about that 98 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,399 fit, you can tether him more to the second un where're gonna have Kevin 99 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:41,639 Love in a game, and then if he's only on the floor with one 100 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:44,480 of Mobiley or Allen at that point, or maybe when you get the stretches 101 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,879 where Market and Love are playing without or are your two biggs. Cleveland has 102 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,439 gone to that a little bit this season, so there are a lot of 103 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,279 things that Cleveland can do there. And I think Rubio is a much better 104 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:58,879 passer. I think he's a higher IQ player overall, and he's more likely 105 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:01,920 to elevate his teammates. But I think what the Calves need is someone who 106 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,560 can have the ball in his hands, put pressure on the basket. Maybe 107 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,680 he hit some tough off the dribble jumpers. Again, it's something Lavert has 108 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,920 shown he can do, even if it hasn't been a consistent part of his 109 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,199 game, and he can table set a little bit. This is someone who 110 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:18,399 I would view is just an ideal replacement if you know you're not gonna have 111 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:20,639 Sexton or Ruby over the rest of the season. And that was the other 112 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,360 thing here. You don't have Rubio for the rest of this year, you 113 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,680 don't have Sexton for the rest of this year. And sure, yeah, 114 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:30,360 you could just wait and say this has found money that we're in the playoffs. 115 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,759 We weren't expecting to be this good. You're a top four seeds in 116 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,160 the East right now. It's you don't have to look at this to sound 117 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:41,680 money. And the cost here was just ultra low. The most important asset 118 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,720 you're giving up is that could be number twenty three pick. It might even 119 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:46,279 be a worst off pick. It could be number twenty five by the end 120 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:49,319 of this season or something because the Vert, I do think really helps you, 121 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,480 and there's some pre existing chemistry there with Dared Allen. They both played 122 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,240 with the Nets for quite a while, and it's, you know, it's 123 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,079 it's honestly hysterical that Jared Allen and Carousel Vert are currently on a top four 124 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,519 team in the East and the Brooklyn Nets are not among those other top four 125 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,079 teams in so Shaw Marks might be going through it at the moment for reasons 126 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,439 other than just lavert and sexist and refinding each other on a team that is 127 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,240 currently better than the Nets. And so I'm just sort of of the mind 128 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,319 of why the fuck not, especially in a season where if you're Cleveland, 129 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,120 you're looking at this and you're saying, Okay, are the Nets going to 130 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,399 implode? What's going on with the Ben Simmons, James Harden talk, what's 131 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:26,639 going on with Kyrie irving, Kevin Durant injured. We don't know what's really 132 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,079 gonna go on with Philly if they wind up keeping Ben Simmons or if they 133 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,159 trade him, or they even get a part in back. There are a 134 00:08:31,159 --> 00:08:35,440 lot of questions there. Yes, Milwaukee still exists, Miami exist, Chicago 135 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,559 exists, but This is just such an open ended race right now. I 136 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,480 don't think Lavert gives Cleveland a real chance to come out of the East. 137 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,600 But they're a better team than they were at the start of this trade, 138 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,399 and it's okay to chase some immediate when the cost is is this low. 139 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,279 I mean, at worst, you gave up a player in Ricky Rubio who 140 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,480 he's coming off an ACL injury, so even if you resigned him cost you 141 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:01,720 as much. But what is he going to look like when he comes back 142 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,279 from his a c lngury. We'll be able to navigate traffic as effectively as 143 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,679 he was before. We don't know. So you're giving them players coming off 144 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,600 an a c L jury and then at worst you're talking three picks in the 145 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,440 thirties, only one of which is a first rounder, and that's you know, 146 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,480 we don't know what's going to become of the U top pic into US 147 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:20,120 and twenty seven for Neianna. This is interesting in the sense that, as 148 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:24,639 Woges noted, this could be the start of some dramatic changes, and so 149 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,960 I would expect to see names like Druliday, Tory Craig. Those are guys 150 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,759 that could be moved after this deal, Miles Turner, Domasa bonus of course 151 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,679 as well, even T J. Warren just heading into free agency. How 152 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,519 wholesale, how how full tilts are the Pacers going to go with this rebuild. 153 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,080 We've seen conflicting reports, you know, people were getting up in arms 154 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,360 and trying to generate these opinions about oh, the Pacers were going to blow 155 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,120 it up, and then Herb Simon says, oh, no we're not. 156 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:52,600 But now now they might wait to see what happen, wait to see what 157 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,559 moves actually take place here. I do like the value they're getting back for 158 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,480 Laverte in this trade. Specifically, I would inflord if they ever got two 159 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:03,720 first rounders for him, and the fact that they're going to get two picks 160 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,000 that are within probably you know, they're gonna be the top thirty five. 161 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:11,159 Basically Houston's not dropping out, you know, dropping below that in the draft 162 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,120 order. That solid value for a player. I think most people might be 163 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,639 us a net negative contract. I've been a little bit higher on the vert 164 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:22,080 than consensus. I also just don't think Indie was the right fit for him, 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,200 and maybe Cleveland that'll be sort of a spark there. I don't necessarily 166 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,399 know he's gonna fit in their offense, but there is more just like it 167 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,120 feels like there's gonna be agency, more agency for him there and freedom to 168 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,279 explore. And I also think they're better set up to use him as a 169 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,559 facilitator when you're looking at the at least the players that they're gonna put around 170 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:45,799 him, even if you're gonna question can they surround him with enough shooting to 171 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,879 sort of maximize that play him, because I do think Carosel Lurk can be 172 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:54,600 a really good passer with Indie though this opens up minutes for Kristin Marte. 173 00:10:54,759 --> 00:10:58,000 Of course, Dwayne Washington Junior will get more minutes. They're not planning on 174 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,320 going to the playoffs, or maybe they end up converting him from the two 175 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,639 way. Anyway, that's that's rock solid, and you're getting another pick in 176 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,600 this year's draft. It also allows you when you're looking at trades with I'm 177 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,399 gonna even Domas Miles Turner. Of course, the fact that you now have 178 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,159 two first round picks in this draft, it allows you to focus on maybe 179 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:18,840 getting back more distant picks so that you're not sort of loaded leading into this 180 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,720 draft. You get another twenty twenty twenty two pick. Now you have three. 181 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,639 Maybe you could package two of those together to move up if you want 182 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:28,200 to, but you generally don't want to go into these drafts with like, 183 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:33,440 you know, four and five picks, especially you know, four picks within 184 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,559 the top thirty something. So I'll be curious if should they trade Miles Turner, 185 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,120 do they prioritize maybe getting just some extra assets in terms of tangible prospects 186 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,159 or players is of right now, but then maybe also sort of looking a 187 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,919 little bit further ahead and taking two twenty three or two and twenty four draft 188 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:56,639 equity. I do think that this move doesn't have to signal anything super seismic 189 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,759 on their end, just they're clearly not focused on this season. They're looking 190 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:03,200 at the bigger picture, which I do believe is smart because they've just been 191 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,919 all over the place this year. However, you don't move some bonus who's 192 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,559 your best player unless you get the right deal from him. And I think 193 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,559 that if you're into you're holding out for a package that looks better than what 194 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,759 Orlando got for Fooch, because I view Simonis is a much more versatile and 195 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:22,159 impactful offensive player. Even if you trust Fooch more defensively, so you know, 196 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,720 if it's similar, you want two first round picks and a youngster that's 197 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,840 worth looking at in Mundel Carter Junior. So unless that package comes along, 198 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,360 you don't have to move him. And then with Turners specifically, I don't 199 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,879 know how much worse offers get if you wait until the off season when he's 200 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,320 un during the final year of his deal. He's injured right now, he's 201 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,399 not coming back before the trade deadline. People are wary of bigs with foot 202 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,240 issues unless you think he's gonna return and sort of damage his trade value. 203 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,559 Events of the off season, I can see them looking at offers where if 204 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,679 they're not getting two first round picks and a player of interest, maybe they're 205 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,879 only getting one first round pick or two low end first round picks or one 206 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,840 first round pick and after prospect. If they're just underwhelmed in that sense, 207 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,399 they might decide to hang on to Turner. You're also now if you're not 208 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:13,960 getting back expiring money, maybe you're less interested in moving him too, because 209 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:16,799 what Rubio does is also sort of give the Pacers a chance to maybe create 210 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,759 cap space this summer, although they do have Turners money on the books too, 211 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:22,919 so having money on the books beyond the season clearly isn't the end of 212 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,399 the world. The fact that they're doing this now though before you know, 213 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:30,679 a few days before the deadline, I think is clear that they are going 214 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,600 to consider, if not make a few other moves. And if I had 215 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:37,960 to guess, the players on this roster most likely to be traded are Tory 216 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,919 Craig and Justin Holiday, followed by Miles Turner. If you're looking for a 217 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:45,519 bigger name now that Lavert is gone, I do think Turner would be more 218 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,679 likely to get dealt than Sabonus. It would really throw a shock if it 219 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,360 was Sabonus that got moved, and be curious to see what's asking. What 220 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,039 the price is that Indian gives them up for. Those are my thoughts on 221 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,279 that trade. I generally like it for both sides. We don't have to 222 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,000 create controversy through that. I really think the most divisive take is that Cleveland 223 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:05,919 somehow didn't have a reason to do this. I'm not of that mind. 224 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,200 They just gave up so little at this point, and the East is just 225 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:11,159 so topsy turvy and a good way for them, and they've been this good 226 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,639 without having someone like Leaver on the roster without Rubio or Sexton playing. And 227 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,679 if you think that Sexon is gonna come cheaper over the longer term, now 228 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,200 you can pay him and then consider still keeping Lavert. Give next year a 229 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,480 chance the ver it's gonna be on an expiry contract. If it doesn't work 230 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,519 out, you decide between two. You know you have Garland and or do 231 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:33,799 Sexton or Lavert fit into the bigger plans? Who who's the better compliment to 232 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:35,039 Garland there? If neither of them work, you could look at moving both 233 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:37,519 of them. One sex and signs is his new deal. But the fact 234 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,799 that Laver is still in a contract is just like works in Cleveland's favor this 235 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,559 summer because you don't have to make a decision where you would give him a 236 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,840 longer term deal. It's we can monitor how he just is with Garland and 237 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,360 are set up this year, and then if you keep Sexon resigned Sexton, 238 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:54,360 you can still monitor the three guard lineup and you're just because you have Sexon 239 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:58,039 on new deal, it doesn't mean that you're overpaying for that. Look Lavert 240 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:03,320 is going to be making when Lavert enters the next year's deal. Excuse me, 241 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,240 the final year of his contract, he'll be making eighteen point eight million 242 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,320 dollars. And so let's say, look, let's say sexting yet eight a 243 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:13,759 year annually. Let's just say like it's right around lover. So you's known 244 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,840 about thirty seven million for those two and then you still have Darius Garland on 245 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,279 his rookie scale deal it at eight point nine and so to pay those three 246 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,519 players around let's say forty five million dollars, I honestly don't know what Sex 247 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,080 is going to get is in his next deal. That is hardly egregious. 248 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:31,240 And there are scenarios where, especially given just the dearth of wings right now, 249 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:33,720 I'm cleaning, you could play all three of them together. I think 250 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:35,919 Sexton is a good enough off ball shooter we've seen, and even Garland the 251 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:39,519 same difference there. You could run stuff with them and have Lavert be the 252 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,919 one on the ball. Or is Lavert going to continue to hit his catch 253 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:45,919 and shoot threes. I don't know that he's going to be a great mover 254 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,639 and shaker if he's off the ball, But if you just need him to 255 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,399 sort of act as a stand still sniper, you could do that. Just 256 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,840 to change up your lineups. I know they favored going super big and might 257 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:56,840 not want to do that. You're definitely gonna want to stagger these minutes somehow, 258 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,440 because I do think Lavert is sort of wired to run a unit, 259 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,039 even if he's going to take the score first mindset, not necessarily act as 260 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,720 a floor general type to that ladder point. And this will be the last 261 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,080 thing I say. I do think Lavert has a higher end of that passing 262 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,720 in him, just watching him in Brooklyn specifically, even if it hasn't always 263 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,120 come out in Indiana. Of course, the health risks, they are concerned 264 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,080 with him. He's been banged up a bunch throughout his career prior even getting 265 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,559 moved Indiana when he had the was it kidney cancer or whatever it was. 266 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,799 I apologize I should have looked at up before I recorded this confirm. I 267 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:33,519 don't know why that keeps slipping my mind. Anyway, though this is not 268 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,879 this is a fine flyer for Cleveland, because I don't know how valuable Ricky 269 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,720 Rubio was to them long term anyway. And I do think immediately not only 270 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,559 just Lavert, just help you by virtue of adding a player who's going to 271 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,759 be in the rotation for one that's not right now, but I honestly think 272 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:55,120 that his game gives them a higher ceiling right now in the playoffs, and 273 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:59,480 that just matters amid the ambiguity in the in the East pecking order. That'll 274 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:03,200 do it that trade. I hope you're able to listen to this before anymore 275 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,920 of it becomes dated again. This podcast is not dated as of right now. 276 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,240 As of Sunday evening at five fifty pm Eastern time, we have a 277 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:14,720 ton of fake trades. Brian and I go through thirteen of my own. 278 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:18,319 I think it ended up being and we had like twelve or fifteen listener ones 279 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,200 that have since been windowed down by by three or four. So thank you 280 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,720 everyone who sent in the questions. Shout out to those who sent in trades 281 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:27,319 that involved Rubio and LeVert specifically, and I had to bounce those. I 282 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,759 apologize, but we appreciate your participation. And the last thing I'll say if 283 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:34,960 you're getting this far is please remember to rate, review, and subscribe to 284 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:38,039 us wherever you get your podcasts. iTunes helps us out of town. Even 285 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:41,319 if you don't you use it, throw us that far us our rating right 286 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,759 or review. I can't stress enough how much those help us. 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Brian, welcome back to the Hardwood Knox 296 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,440 podcast. I think I gave you like a week off before asking me to 297 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,319 come back on the podcast, so thank you so much for joining us again. 298 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,079 How are you doing. I am doing well. Thank you for having 299 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,400 me back. I thought I was coming back when Ben Simmons got traded, 300 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:44,079 so I'm hoping within the next hour that actually happens. But until then, 301 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:48,759 my brain is completely rattled with the trade that we saw on Friday with Portland 302 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,920 and the Clippers, and then you know, Sean's coming out with the like, 303 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,240 oh, by the way, the Sixers might not have to wait until 304 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,279 the summer to get James Harden. So it's been a busy weekend. I 305 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,519 can't tell be convenient or just like so fucking annoying. If Ben Simmons was 306 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:08,559 traded while we were recording this podcast. We recorded with yesterday and went like 307 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,759 thirty minutes on the Heart and Sixers stuff, and I was like, Okay, 308 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,920 we're gonna keep going, but there's a chance you might have to rerecord 309 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,920 all of this. So I think if it happens, it's like one of 310 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,519 those deals that's going to happen at like Tuesday night at like one am. 311 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:26,839 I'm gonna be fast asleep by that point, and then my phone is going 312 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,680 to explode and be like what the I will be among them because I will 313 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,920 be up from me. I'm just gonna send you a waterfall of them too. 314 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:40,519 One word please do yeah, so you wake up. We're gonna start 315 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:44,240 at those two points. We have fake trains galore, some from our listeners, 316 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,039 so shout out to our discord members and followers on Twitter. But let's 317 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:51,160 start with the two like biggest news topics right now. I mean there are 318 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,000 other ones, but the trade with the Clippers and the Blazers and so Norm 319 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,640 Powell and is headed to the clipp basically was the was the front runner of 320 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:06,400 that deal and the Clippers had to give up Keian Johnson, Eric Bletsoe and 321 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,920 Detroit's twenty twenty five second and Justice's Winslow and Robert Comming to his head to 322 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,039 the Clippers. Also, I don't know how I forgot about him because he's 323 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,400 like this is like Danny Green vibes when the Spurs just folded him in to 324 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,680 the Quai trade to make the money work with right Danny Green, I think 325 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,480 was better at that point than coming just now. But that's where I'm at. 326 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,720 I wanted your thoughts. There's been a lot of takes on this by 327 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:29,319 now, so we know this won't at least be outdated, But what were 328 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,559 your thoughts reactions to this trade? In general? Love it for the Clippers. 329 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,640 There is absolutely no downside for the Clippers. And this is the advantage 330 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,839 of having an owner who is richer than God. It doesn't mind him like 331 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,079 they added I think close to twenty million dollars to their luxury tax bill in 332 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,440 a season where you know, it doesn't seem likely that they're actually going to 333 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,759 compete for a title because it sounds like Kawhi is not going to return this 334 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:56,839 year and Paul George's availability is very much in question. But you get Covington's 335 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,880 bird rights this summer. You have Norman Powell on a very noble contract for 336 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,400 the next four years, and he is a perfect fit with those guys moving 337 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,680 forward. So it's you know, it's a testament to Steve Ballmer for willing 338 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,400 to take that much. He's spending eighteen million more in luxury tax to improve 339 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,920 his odds next year and moving forward. So good on the Clippers. Amazing 340 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:22,640 job. And look I get it from the Blazer's perspective of like, I 341 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,240 know what they were trying to do. They were trying to get under the 342 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:30,440 luxury tax threshold. They did, so congratulations to Jody Allen who's now going 343 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,279 to get an eight figure check to cash in on the Warriors. And that's 344 00:21:34,319 --> 00:21:41,279 spending egregiously. But it just feels like like I just can't help but feel 345 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,440 they could have gotten more. Like I can't believe because like Bledsoe and Justice 346 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,359 do not matter at all in the long term perspective. Kean Johnson. Hopefully 347 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,079 he pans out, maybe he pans out great. And then this twenty twenty 348 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:59,240 five second from Detroit, Like, I just don't know what message you're sending 349 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,680 to Damian right now, other than we are taking an obvious step back and 350 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,920 maybe this increases their chances of getting a high lottery pick. And you know, 351 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:11,880 for their sake, I hope so, and I you know, I 352 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,039 get it from like they have so much money committed Damon c J. Already 353 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,039 Anthony Simons is going to be a restricted free agent this year. They're going 354 00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,680 to have to resign him. You don't want to spend one hundred plus million 355 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,920 on, you know, guys who are just like six foot four and under, 356 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,519 so like they are trying to reallocate resources. I get all of that, 357 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,319 but I like, you still couldn't have gotten more long term value for 358 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,079 Norman Powell and Robert Covington, Like I love the framing that I saw photoground 359 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,400 on Twitter on Friday, or it was like, you know, they gave 360 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:48,000 up two first round picks in Gary Trent Junior for the package that they received 361 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,319 for the Clippers effectively, it's just horrific asset management from the Blazers. I'm 362 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,359 with everything you said there, and it's you know, I think sometimes when 363 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,680 you have the benefit of himesite like it's reductive to say that. But like 364 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,599 those trades for Covington j Jarryton finger happened last year. Covington was the off 365 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,920 season before last year, and they were viewed as good moves at the time. 366 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,599 I still think they were good moves. The Blazer's biggest fault was, 367 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,200 and this includes the even the Larry NaN's trade, which I liked, is 368 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,359 they just kept hitting singles and doubles rather than going for the triples and the 369 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,920 homers because they were so married. It seems to the C J Dame partnership. 370 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,720 And I just if you think key On Johnson is like that guy, 371 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:27,039 I haven't seen enough of him at the NBA level. I know that he 372 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:30,759 could probably jump over a gym. That's that's great. He was just the 373 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:37,680 number twenty one pick. I. I don't understand how you couldn't like separate 374 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:41,440 this deal. We mentioned all the trade exceptions that are floating around out there 375 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,079 that Covington could have fit into. That freaking Norman Powell could have fit into 376 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,720 them. Isn't he only making five million dollars this year? So yeah, 377 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,599 I mean, and there there are a fewer teams, like New Orleans still 378 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:56,480 has a seventeen million one, Orlando has a seventeen million one, Like there 379 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,200 are teams out there that could have fit him either way. So I just 380 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,119 don't know how you even separating that. It was just to only duck the 381 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,240 tax to get the number twenty one pick, who's already like the first year 382 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,680 of your career is done. You haven't even had him in your system. 383 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:14,839 And then that Detroit second, which is what unless you think Detroit is still 384 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,160 gonna be rock bottom bad, which they have Kay Cunningham, who was looked 385 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:21,119 like he is he played more time, he'd be the rookie of the year 386 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,119 from me, even over Evan Mobley and Scotty Barnes, like just watching him 387 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:30,240 play. So I I understand the logic. It teams like really poor execution 388 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,119 as you framed it, and I find it very hard to believe. And 389 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,240 this is made me rethink. You know, we have all these hypothetical trades 390 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,119 are going to talk about, but for what Norman Powell went for the other 391 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,880 thing I'm gonna say about the Blazers that I have to assume they didn't just 392 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,440 pick like a bad deal on purpose, that this was maybe they weren't willing 393 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,200 to wait. And the other thing I won't listen to is the two things 394 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,519 is them cleaning up their books. When you trade a good player who's not 395 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:00,960 on a bad contract, that's not cleaning up your books like Norman. But 396 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:03,920 like, let's just made that clear. The other thing is just like if 397 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,640 you need to say, well, let's see how this goes before Thursday, 398 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,799 when the only other players involved in this deal are Eric Bletsoe and Justice Winslow 399 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,119 and Keyan Johnson, who no one even knows what he is, if you 400 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,319 have to say that, maybe you shouldn't have made this trade, I'm just 401 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,680 going to say, it's made me rethink, like what is this deadlight going 402 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:27,880 to look like in terms of players with values? Where Houston wants a first 403 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,440 round pick for Eric Gordon, but you didn't even get an actual first round 404 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,119 pick for Norman Powell. You got Keyan like, so that's just that's wild 405 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,279 to me. And it's even even if that was a first round pick, 406 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,960 it got Covington and Norman Powell. So the fact that Norman Powell alone didn't 407 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,720 get his own first round pick. The even thing I threw out was just 408 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,279 like, wouldn't you have preferred? And maybe Dallas wasn't willing to do this, 409 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:53,000 but you basically could have done Dwight Powell and a twenty twenty five first 410 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,359 for Norman Powell. Wouldn't you I would have preferred that deal. Fossa plays 411 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,160 there, should get out of the tax, and you have an actual will 412 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,319 first round pick in the distance. I guess maybe they wanted something more imminent, 413 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,200 so they took what was already a player, not even a pick. 414 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,559 So I I still don't I understand what they were trying to do. And 415 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,680 I think the friend of the podcast, Carabone Big, who was always good 416 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:21,759 at making me rethink some of these moves, and she's also just like her 417 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:26,640 podcast, her podcast We Would Take is fantastic. As she pointed out, 418 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,119 it is refreshing that the Blazers are at least picking the longer term direction in 419 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,319 some form, whether it's are we going to tear this down including Dame over 420 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,039 the offseason? Are we trying to actually rebuild a round Dame? I that 421 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,599 was a great point. I think it really is refreshing that I guess Joe 422 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,480 Cronin is going to be heavily involved in or it's going to have a really 423 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,559 good chance of securing this job long term, because why else would you let 424 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,200 him make a move. So it is is a refreshing approach. It just 425 00:26:52,440 --> 00:27:00,359 feels like relatively, if not flagrantly poor execution here. Yeah, I hear 426 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,480 that, Like, let's see what happens between now and Thursday, because CJ 427 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,519 has been linked enough trade rumors at this point it sounds like the Pelicans especially 428 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:10,839 could be in on him. Again. It comes down to like what the 429 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,799 Pelicans have to offer, because I feel like if they're really prioritizing cap savings, 430 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,880 like they have the Thomas Saturanski is the ten million dollars expiring. They 431 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,000 have Josh Hart who is a good player, but he's also non guaranteed for 432 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,680 each of the next two years, so they can go that route and then 433 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:33,200 like get Jackson Hayes as the you know, the young prospect and that's interesting, 434 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,480 but you know, I would do that trade in a heartbeat if I'm 435 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:41,119 the Pelicans, because you're not really giving up anything of long term value. 436 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,599 Like Hayes right up for an extension this offseason. You know, Josh Hart 437 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,279 again, really good player, playing well this year, But like I think 438 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,319 you can live with, you know, the sacrifice of Jackson Hayes. It 439 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,680 might be worth the upgrade of you know, of Josh Hart to CJ. 440 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,519 And then from the Blazers side, like, are you gonna then wave Josh 441 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:10,039 Tart for more cap savings? Like I again, I just don't know what 442 00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:14,240 they're thinking in terms of like what is the long term plan? Here are 443 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,039 they are? They just trying to go all in and like realize, hey, 444 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:21,759 there's only three teams with cap space this summer, so maybe if we 445 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,400 can like totally clear our books, you know, they'll have Simon's cheap cap 446 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,960 hold so they can like do all of their other moves and then resign him 447 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:36,960 as their last thing bledsoe you know, nineteen point four million total salary last 448 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,880 year, I think only three point nine of that is guaranteed if memory service 449 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,240 correctly, So like they could potentially be one of the few cap spased teams. 450 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:51,440 But like how many guys are clamoring to go to Portland on value deals 451 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,559 when Dame's future is also up in the air. So like, I don't 452 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,359 want to like totally slam the Blazers and until we see in the full picture, 453 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,440 but like, if this is step one of a series of moves, 454 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,519 I am very lukewarm on step one, and I hope steps two, three, 455 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,400 four, however many can help redeem this. I do find it. 456 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,759 You said this, you responded to me on Twitter with this the day of 457 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,480 the trade. If they have cap space, they might be able to sign 458 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,839 a player as good as Norman Powell. And right, his TJ trade is 459 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,160 interesting because the one you outline that would have gotten them out of the tax 460 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,880 as well this season, and then you still have Norman Poet, Like, 461 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,680 if you're gonna end up if that's the second move that you've made, that's 462 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,279 almost borderline and excusable to me, because you've accepted what would be I think, 463 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,839 relative to who CJ is as a player, not terrific value. But 464 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:47,039 you're valuing his contract then, so he's been devalued in that sense. If 465 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,440 that's the trades you make after this, I'm just gonna blampoon the Norman Pawelet 466 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,279 trade that much harder, all right, Moving on to James Harden, the 467 00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,680 I'm just even relative to the NBA. I don't know how many times I'm 468 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,640 gonna say the word relative on this p yes, either, and knowing that 469 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,599 there's a lot of posturing going on right now, and you and I sort 470 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:10,200 of exchanged conspiracy theories on this before we started recording, I am surprised that 471 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,440 the James Harden to Philly scenario is accelerating this quickly, even just in the 472 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,799 news cycle itself. What do you make of this whole situation? We know 473 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,200 it's real now at least to like some degree. This isn't like, oh, 474 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,559 maybe he would consider the off season if the Nets are actually thinking about 475 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,960 entertaining moving Harden? Just what do you just make of this whole situation? 476 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,559 How do you expect this to end? Yeah? I mean, did you 477 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,000 see the King's game the other night where like Harden looked very clearly checked out. 478 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,000 He's now been out since that game with the hamstring injury. To be 479 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,279 fair, Kyrie Irving gets a bunch of Knights off. Why can't James Harden? 480 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,640 That's fair, that's fair, And like, overall, I wonder how 481 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,960 much of that is where the Nets heads at is like we think we are, 482 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,079 you know, we buy into all of the hardened Sixers smoke. Over 483 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,400 the last couple of weeks, months, however long, it's been like, 484 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,279 we think we are going to lose him no later than this summer. Let's 485 00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:14,759 at least try to extort the Sixers for a little bit more right now, 486 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,119 because we know what players tend to get and sign in trades or opt in 487 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,799 in trades, Like we're going to get less value this summer if he becomes 488 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,559 a free agent than we will now And if we don't think like right now 489 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,759 they are still the title favorites according to betting markets. But if Kyrie does 490 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:36,160 not get vaccinated by April and they only have him for half of the playoffs 491 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,519 in the first round, yeah, yeah, Like I just don't I'm not 492 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,400 saying, like the Nets, I have no belief that they could win the 493 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,200 title this year, but I'm not sure that they're going to So maybe they're 494 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,839 willing to take a slight step back to again, like you know, at 495 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:04,240 least shore up there their future beyond this season. I also like they've got 496 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,359 one hundred and ten billion dollars tax bill, and it's you know, maybe 497 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,720 that's just gonna be us talking about the luxury tax for an hour and a 498 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,519 half. But like it's gross to frame it this way. But again, 499 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,240 if if the two options are we lose him now or we lose him this 500 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:23,039 summer, the Sixers can offer a couple different frameworks where they could shave the 501 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,799 tax bill of the Nets by forty or fifty millions. So, like, 502 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,079 I think that could incentivize them to act now. And then I think this 503 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,319 Joe Harris stuff is the wild card. Like his agent just came out and 504 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,519 said he might need a second procedure on the ankle he as it played since 505 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,720 November. You know, he's saying he's confident that he's going to be back 506 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,799 this year. But find me an athlete who's ever been like, oh, 507 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,880 yeah, no, I'm out. Well maybe Zion, I guess, but 508 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,720 you know, like that's what athletes say. But like the Nets will know 509 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,599 behind the scenes, do they think Joe Harris is coming back this year? 510 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,119 Because if not, you don't have Joe Harris, you have Kyrie for half 511 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,279 of the playoffs. Like maybe you would see this as an opportunity to flip 512 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,839 hard In for multiple rotation players or multiple starters. And again, there is 513 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:15,759 a framework that the Sixers can offer where they accomplish that goal. If you're 514 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:21,599 the Nets and you also shaved fifty million, we had a listener Nuggets Bulls 515 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,759 fan propose Ben Simmons, Danny Green, Phillies twenty twenty two first and a 516 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:31,680 twenty twenty three second coming from Atlanta, Brooklyn's own or Charlotte for Ben Simmons, 517 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:36,880 that being the for James Harn excuse me that being a framework? What 518 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,640 is your is that? Like what we're thinking about? Like, what is 519 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,440 the stuff that and I know you wrote about this, What is the extra 520 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:47,440 stuff that Philly has to include in this deal? Yeah? So I think 521 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,359 I think the Nets, first of all, are going to ask for Tyrese 522 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,240 Maxie, and I think the Sixers are going to say nowt so, Like 523 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,319 I think that's where the conversations begin. And then I think the Sixers are 524 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,920 like, all right, we're not doing that, but we have a couple 525 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,119 other things we can offer you. Danny Green is one of them, Seth 526 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,199 Curry is one of them. I don't think they would include Batist Bible. 527 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,199 Like I think overall, if the Nets asking price gets out of hand, 528 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,159 the Sixers are just going to be like, all right, we'll see in 529 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,079 July. Like we're gonna offer your less in July than we are right now, 530 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,119 so you can you can take what we offer now, but you're not 531 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,239 going to get this entire package in July. So like, I think the 532 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:30,000 framework that I landed on that I think is probably most agreeable for both teams. 533 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:31,239 And you can throw picks in here if you need to as well. 534 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,400 It's James Harden, Joe Harris, and Paul millsapp for Ben Simmons, Danny 535 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,559 Green and Seth Curry. Saves again about I think it's close to fifty five 536 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,599 million in tax for the Nets. And you you know, if if Joe 537 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,239 Harris is not coming back this year, and Paul Millsap's been out of the 538 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,440 rotation for more than a month now and they've already said they're going to try 539 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,960 to find him a new home, you're effectively swapping James Harden, who at 540 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,440 his ceiling is a super star, for Ben Simmons, who is a three 541 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,719 time All Star, and then Danny Green and Seth Curry, both of whom 542 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,599 are starter level rotation players. They'll at least give you more depth, like 543 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:15,480 a five man lineup of Curry, Danny green, Ben Simmons, Kyrie and 544 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:23,360 Kevin Durant sounds kind of awesome offensively at least, so I think that's probably 545 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:29,719 the framework that makes the most sense, that's probably the most realistic for the 546 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,119 listener idea. Like I think that Sixers would do that in a heartbeat, 547 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:36,920 but that doesn't come with tax savings for the Nets, so I think they 548 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,360 would probably try to at least, you know, if they are going to 549 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,559 trade Harden, I think that's one of the major reasons to trade him now 550 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,239 instead of the offseason is if you can, you know, cut your tap 551 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,239 to bill in half. You don't think you're gonna win the title anyway, 552 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,679 And honestly, like, do you think that trade if Harris is out? 553 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,800 Do you think that framework may And that's all that much worse? I might 554 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,440 argue they are break even, if not better, They're they're probably a little 555 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,840 bit worse because you're using the only one who's been a losing the only player 556 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,239 has been able to consistently run your offense this season, the Kyrie irving element. 557 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,519 It's not even about Kevin Durant being out, it's just you've lost what 558 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,840 has been your primary offensive engine, getting seth Curry in that deal is just 559 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,400 a bona fide win because he is the quintessential all playoffs superstars. Make it 560 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,000 work. But I can put the ball on the floor a little bit and 561 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:30,880 then Danny Green just I still stand by it. I know people think Danny 562 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,000 Green is washed. That dude still just makes winning plays throughout almost every game 563 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,000 that he's in. So that wouldn't be you know, if you're the Nets, 564 00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:43,000 I think you would probably or I would probably rather recoup some draft equity 565 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,960 here so that could we make other moves more enticing. But if you're also 566 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:49,800 the Sixers, and I'm not trying to be ironic here where I know the 567 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,480 Sixers have their own disgruntled star, so they can't be like, oh, 568 00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:53,880 James Harner's disgruntled. We're not going to give you as much from as we 569 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,400 would. But you get to the point where how much I don't want to 570 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,440 say how much worse or the Sixers, But now you lose Seth Curry, 571 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:05,440 who's been your second best player this season, maybe third, depending on how 572 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,800 you feel about Maxie, and you're bringing Harris who's probably not going to help 573 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,719 you this season. Just the way things are shaping up and you're losing Danny 574 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,079 Green, who's at least playing for you and is a much better shooter than 575 00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:21,000 Mitty cybel Is. At this point, you either have to have other moves 576 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,440 lined up or hope that you're gonna win the buyout market. There's yeah, 577 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,840 I would do it because it's James Harden, But that sort of leads into 578 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,599 my next question, like, are you at all concerned about what we've seen 579 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:35,440 from James Harden this season and then just the prospect of giving him that next 580 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:40,760 deal? Yeah, I think yes to both, but I think it's a 581 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,760 gamble you have to make. This is just like these are the types of 582 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,159 home run swings that typically decide whether you win a title or not. Like, 583 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,280 you know, the Bucks overpaid wildly for Drew Holiday, but that turned 584 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,599 out to be a wise decision because only won the titles the Suns. Like 585 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,679 when the Sons acquired Chris Paul, a lot of people shout on them for 586 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,639 it, but then look where they you know, they made the finals last 587 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,800 year. They are the best team in the NBA in terms of record right 588 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,000 now. The Bulls when they acquired DeMar de Rozen, everyone thought they overpaid 589 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,440 for him, both in terms of value like contract value and what they gave 590 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,280 up, but that has paid off for them, So I think like and 591 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,280 and then you know the other hand is the Lakers Russell Westbrook, where it 592 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,599 has just gone so horrifically wrong. So you know, given the concerns about 593 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:36,320 Hardon's age, some of this decline, signs of decline that we've seen from 594 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,440 him this year, you know, just his past relationship with other stars in 595 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:47,000 particular, like he has clashed with basically every star teammate he's ever had after 596 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:52,639 a couple of years, with KD being the one possible exception to that rule. 597 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,239 So it's fair to wonder how he and Joel would get on together. 598 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:04,719 I would think from Joel's perspective, just getting the Ben Simmons cloud removed from 599 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,760 that franchise. Like, I don't think Joel Embiid cares if like he has 600 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,840 a co star, like you know, if he's the one a to Hardens 601 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360 one or whatever, and I don't think he would be. I think, 602 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,559 you know, six Ers fans love Joel Embiid more than anyone since Allen Iverson. 603 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,519 Like, no matter how good James Harden is in Philly, he will 604 00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:30,480 never be he will never like supplant Joel Embiid in that regard, and like, 605 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:37,199 you know, I know mo dackel on br wrote about, you know, 606 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,800 basketball fit wise, does James Harden make sense? And you know, 607 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:44,960 the defense is a major issue, and he's such a pick and roll heavy 608 00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,679 player and Joel Embiad has never really been that type of a player. You 609 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,440 know, I would argue in part because he's never had a guard who can 610 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,480 do it. We have seen more of it this year with him in Maxie, 611 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,519 So I think, like fit wise, I think Joel would try to 612 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,719 adapt his game to Harden. You know, the question is would Harden do 613 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,360 it to Joel? But Arden's also never played with the big like Joel Embiide. 614 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,840 I mean, the best bigs he's ever played with their Dwight Howard and 615 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,559 Clint Capella, both of whom you know are great rebounders, great shop blockers, 616 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,480 Yeah, great lab threats. But yeah, like he's never you know, 617 00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,480 I don't think he's ever played with the big who's like a real threat 618 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,880 from ten feet or beyond fifteen feet or beyond. So I think there are 619 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,400 more ways that it wouldn't work than it would it would work. Like there 620 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:35,679 are more possible pitfalls here than like this is, you know, doing the 621 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,559 doctor strange thing, Like I see X number of possibilities. There are more 622 00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:43,360 possibilities where it blows up in their face than it doesn't. But the upside 623 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,719 is so high. I understand why the Sixers would be swinging, especially given 624 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,079 Mori's past history with Harden. And you know, again it comes down to 625 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:57,119 how much more do the Nets want beyond Ben Simmons, Like I think they 626 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,800 do draw the line at Tyrese Maxie. And look, if you wind up 627 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,239 doing a Harris scenario because you're trying to save the Nets like fifty plus million 628 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,480 in luxury tax, he becomes like a really great fit and important player if 629 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,840 he's healthy again, probably not this season, but that's like, yeah, 630 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,199 salaries inflated, but you're gonna have to pay Seth Curry after next year anyway, 631 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,840 and he's probably getting Joe Harris money at least, so that would be 632 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,440 interesting. I didn't even factor in that they could save them so much luxury 633 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,199 tax, and so that would be a benefit of I fans should not think 634 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,760 like this. They should be aware of it, but they don't need to 635 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,519 think like this. But that is going to be a factor for teams at 636 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,880 the top if you're losing James Harden. I do wonder though, if they 637 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,400 might think just Brooklyn holding out hope and this is the final thing I'll say 638 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,119 on it, that they'll have all their three stars available for most of the 639 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:49,880 playoffs and that this would still give them a best chance at the one off 640 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,280 title, and then they could disband it after this season. I think if 641 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,559 James Harden is really that hot for Philly, I would still just do it 642 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,639 now, because the way this season is shaping up, you can't guarantee you're 643 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,960 gonna have all three of these guys available, and just the East is not 644 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,920 going to be, you know, an easy walkthrough for them. Just between 645 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,920 Milwaukee being there, Miami looks tough, Toronto is frisky. There's just not 646 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,280 a team that I would want to play in the playoffs at all. So 647 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:22,599 if James Harden is really just I'd trade him now because I don't think knowing 648 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:24,920 what more he's done just with Ben Simmons, and Ben Simmons wants out, 649 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:30,000 he's not going to be a pleasure to negotiate with. If James Harden has 650 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,280 the threat of like entering free agency under in his quiver. So I'm with 651 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,239 you there the one stat I wanted to throw it. You're just I'm getting 652 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,880 this is preemptive because I've seen some of Net's Twitter reaction to James Harden, 653 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,320 and I could see this going with have fun losing in Philly, like with 654 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,360 Joel Glass and Bead Native Glass and Bead. Over the past three seasons, 655 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,960 Joe Embiad is playing one hundred and forty two regular season games. Over the 656 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,280 past three seasons, Kyrie and Kadi combined have played in one hundred and fifty 657 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:06,400 six games. There will come a point this season probably where Joel Embiid has 658 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,360 played in more games over the past three regular seasons than Kyrie and Kadi combined. 659 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,159 So anyone who's worried about Harden tethering his prime to Ebie's health, I 660 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,239 get it. Things aren't that much safer in Brooklyn for him. Yeah, 661 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,360 and like again, if they don't have to give up Maxie. He's not 662 00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:28,559 at the level of Kadi or Kyrie, obviously, but you know he is 663 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,000 promising, that's for sure. Yeah, that's true, but he's like a 664 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,320 very promising young player. Tobias Harris is overpaid, but no could be a 665 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,199 good number three or number four option, depending on whether Joel or Maxie are 666 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,400 healthy. Like I think if they could keep you know, if they even 667 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,519 if they do this Danny Green Seth Curry framework, I agree with you. 668 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,639 You know, this year, even if Joe Harris isn't coming back, they're 669 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:54,239 not winning the title, but Joe Harris is signed for a couple more seasons 670 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,679 like that, CORPS would have realistically like a two point five year window in 671 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,679 which they would have a real chance with with that group. And I don't 672 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:10,159 know, I think I would. I would probably do that specific framework, 673 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,679 even if it means punting on this year, because like you could still roll 674 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:21,199 out Maxi hardened diable to bias and Joel, you still got George and Yang 675 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,400 Andre Drummond off the bench if you get a buyout guy, or if just 676 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:28,199 like you just need one of Shake Milton or firk on cork bobs to be 677 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,159 playable, and that's a Nate Man rotation, and honestly, like restricting Doc 678 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,880 Rivers number of options so he doesn't do these terrific offense line ups might be 679 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,840 another benefit to this deal. We did have a question from listener Stephen if 680 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,800 Let's say the Sixers don't move Ben Simmons, Is there are there any other 681 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,679 trade targets you can even there are there any other aims? And as you 682 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:57,199 know, it's like they're they're a not insignificant but not very large amount over 683 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,639 the tax right now, and so you wonder like could that be a focus? 684 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,679 So you even a thought to like, in a world where Ben Simmons 685 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:07,239 is still on the Sixers and James Harden is not after February ten, have 686 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,360 the Sixers done anything at that point? Yeah? I actually wrote a piece 687 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,760 of Forbes about this earlier this week, and until this hardened stuff broke, 688 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,519 I think I got a lot of Sixers fans in like full nihilist mode. 689 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:22,039 As soon as they read that, they're like, oh, god, damn 690 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:27,519 it, We're gonna like salary dump Danny Green to the Dallas Mavericks for like 691 00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,159 a future second round pick or something like that. So yeah, they are. 692 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,199 So Spotrack has him at six point three million above the tax line right 693 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,119 now. If George Hill doesn't get waived or something like, as long as 694 00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:43,360 he finishes the year on his contract, they're going to get a one point 695 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,119 two million dollars set off on that so they have to dump six point three 696 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,719 to be safe, but realistically they're only going to be about five point one 697 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:57,119 above the tax line. So yeah, I could absolutely see that. I 698 00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,119 get like we just saw it with Portland or going to see it with Boston 699 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:06,039 with Dennis Shrewder, like teams that are this close to getting under I think 700 00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:08,719 it does make some modicum of sense, especially if you don't think you're an 701 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:14,679 actual title contender this year. So if they could send Danny Green to you 702 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,480 know, Dallas has a trade exception that he would fit into. I think 703 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,039 Boston does as well. But I would really hope they're not going to just 704 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,800 sal want Danny Green, if they're just going to go into a trading seption. 705 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,039 Yeah, and like if you I mean again, it sends a terrible 706 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,880 message to Joel and Bead like that will send the message you are wasting a 707 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,039 year of his prime if you're just salary dumping Danny Green for you know, 708 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:44,239 a future draft pick or something like that. The other alternative would be moving 709 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,480 fur Con and one of the other young guys, presumably Paul Reid because he's 710 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,960 the only one really out of the rotation. But I would think a Danny 711 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:59,960 Green like either trim or just outright salary dump would be potentially on the table 712 00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:04,559 between now and Thursday. But it's complicated too because if they if they don't 713 00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:08,400 get hardened by the deadline and he does not do the opt in and trade, 714 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,960 which is by far his smartest route to get out of Brooklyn this summer, 715 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,599 he becomes a free agent, they would have to get him either by 716 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,320 a free agent signing or a sign and trade, which if they go sign 717 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,880 and trade, they have to stay under the hardcap, and Danny Green waving 718 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,639 his fully non guaranteed ten million dollars salary is really important for them to stay 719 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,719 under the hardcap. So if they do either try to just dump Danny Green 720 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,199 out right or trade him somewhere else, they almost have to do it for 721 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,760 an expiring given like that, they aren't sure they're going to be able to 722 00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:44,239 convince Harden to do the opt in and trade, they might have to do 723 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,760 a sign and trade and worry about being a hardcap next year. Do you 724 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,599 think shake Milton is enough of a sweetener to get off Firk on cork Moses 725 00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,920 two year deal? I would think so. Would you do that or would 726 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,519 you prefer the Danny Green round, you would, Yeah, I would go. 727 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,440 I would go to Dann because they just don't have they would have no 728 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:07,079 ball handlers other than Seth and Maxie at that point, because like Ben Simmons 729 00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,480 is not playing basketball for the Philadelphia seventy six ers ever. Get so, 730 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:14,920 like they you know, they are holding out hope that he would come back 731 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,719 after the trade deadline if they don't trade him. He's there's no way he's. 732 00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,840 He in his camp have sent that message very clearly. I was actually 733 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,440 thinking about this the other day, Like, you know, at this point, 734 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,440 everything just comes down to his arbitration hearing after the season, like whether 735 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,800 he can win his money back, Like I would think him coming back after 736 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,280 the deadline would only weaken his argument of there is something mentally preventing me from 737 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,079 playing for this team. Like if it was just this was a trade request 738 00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:45,679 and I didn't get traded, so now I can come back, It's like 739 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,159 all right, well there, I hope you enjoyed flushing twenty million dollars down 740 00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,840 the toilet. But if he waits the entire season, maybe he could actually 741 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,920 recoup some of that money. I don't know, I mean, I think 742 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,360 he's probably gonna lose it all anyway. But yeah, like I would not. 743 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,480 You know, Firkon has been like their ball handler in a pinch at 744 00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,440 times off the season, so well, I know, yeah, he's just 745 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:15,239 shooting so poorly. And I think like him and Tobias are both over extended 746 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,239 in their current roles because of Ben simmons absence. I would hope the ongoing 747 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,280 emergence of MAXI will help put them back in roles that fit them better. 748 00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:30,400 But like, yeah, I think the one thing that got into on Forbes. 749 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,880 You know, if they do think they're going to get hardened, they 750 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,000 paid the tax last year, If they pay the tax this year, they 751 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:38,840 have one more year in the next two, and if they pay the tax 752 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,360 in either one of those years, their subjects the repeater tax moving forward. 753 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,599 Again, fans shouldn't care about any of this stuff, but front offices and 754 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:50,599 team owners do, so you just have to like raise awareness about it with 755 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,199 the full recognition of if a team does a naked salary dump like the Blazers 756 00:49:54,280 --> 00:50:00,280 just did, you will annihilate them for it. We can move out of 757 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:06,239 sixers nets world now we have I have fake trades galore for you that you're 758 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,079 able to dump on. We'll start off with I came up with ideas and 759 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:13,280 then I picked our best listener ideas that we'll get to from Discord and Twitter. 760 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,159 So the first one, I'll start you off a little easy. It's 761 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,679 really isn't too complicated. Danilo Gallinari Atlanta's own pick this year top ten protection 762 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,800 and the Charlotte pick they acquired, which is I don't want to go through 763 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,039 all the protections, but it's protected through twenty twenty five and it's never conveying 764 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,519 lower than fifteen. They're higher than fifteen. Excuse me the way it's protected. 765 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:38,280 Four Derek White from San Antonio, who has three years at about seventeen 766 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:45,519 and change left annually on his deal. Yeah, I love it from the 767 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:51,400 Hawks perspective, like I like the fit of Derek White. Two first round 768 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,760 picks, feel Steve, what would the if the Atlanta first doesn't convey this 769 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,960 year, you haven's top ten protected? What would be the protection of moving 770 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,400 forward? I would? I would protect it like you'll never get it. 771 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,320 You're never getting a lottery pick in this deal. If i'm is the way 772 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,000 I would protect it, like you could. I know ATLANTIC can assume it's 773 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,239 good next year. But like they probably thought they were gonna be pretty good 774 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,400 this year and they've picked up. But if they're worried about top ten protection 775 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,199 knock of day, they can lottery maybe lottery protected for this year and then 776 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,760 another two years after that. The other route you could go is the Charlotte 777 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,239 pick and then Jail and Johnson. I think on Yeka Kongo is too much 778 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,159 to give up in this deal, and part of moving Gallinari without taking without 779 00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,679 getting back like a you know, Gallanar is not a wing, but they 780 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,519 just traded away wing wing and reddish Kevin Hurd's not really a wing. By 781 00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:43,000 Don mcdonovich isn't really a wing. Neither is Derek White, even though we 782 00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:46,039 could defend some of them. The thinking now is just like since Gallinari is 783 00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:50,239 just a four anyway, like this just it's minutes for it's easier to work 784 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,559 the front court with John Collins and Clint Capella and on Yeka Congo, and 785 00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,800 so I think you could go to Jail and Johnson route if you're the Spurs 786 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,440 and prefer him to Atlanta's first round pick. I do wonder how the Hawks 787 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,119 would feel about that. They seem pretty high on him. But that was 788 00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,320 the other sort of framework I thought about. Yeah, yeah, I mean 789 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,559 it feels steep for Derek White, but I like the fit there, Like 790 00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,159 the Spurs should say instant yes regardless, like if you're getting two first for 791 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,599 Derek White, it was a good player, but why not. And then 792 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,760 Gallinari's only five million guaranteed next year, so you can save you know, 793 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:31,639 sixteen million additionally off your capital next year. And San Antonio is already one 794 00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:36,639 of the only teams projected to have cap space next summer, so they you 795 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,880 know, get an additional sixteen million. Then all of a sudden, you 796 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,599 can get really frisky, like you could really start to screw things up for 797 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,840 teams, you know, not even like just be the threat that the Sixers 798 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,679 or some other team needs. They're like, hey, James Harden could go 799 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,679 sign with the Spurs, or Bradley Bill could go sign with the Spurs. 800 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,519 But you know, like a restricted free agent DeAndre eight Miles Bridges in particular, 801 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:07,480 even Colin Sexton, like I would value the flexibility plus those top there, 802 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:13,119 those two first round picks over Derek White. Who wait, you know 803 00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:16,800 he's I always like include him in when I'm talking about all the Spurs young 804 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,119 guys, and then I always remember, like, oh wait, he's actually 805 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,039 like twenty seven already get closer to thirty than twenty five. At this point 806 00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:30,039 I think, yeah, like he's not that young, So yeah, I 807 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:34,159 would do it. If I'm the Spurs Atlanta, I would have to think 808 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,119 about and I would probably like I would explore the market and see what else 809 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,039 the gallow plus two first offer could get me before I say, yes, 810 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,800 are you doing it? If it's one first then you're san Antonio then because 811 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,679 maybe I'll overvaluing Derek White. I think the non trade minutes when Bogdanovitch is 812 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,039 on the court have been pretty good for Atlanta, but I also think he 813 00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:58,119 augments those. And then you talk about just having more point of attack defense 814 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,039 at your disposal on the playoffs. I think he does that a lot. 815 00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,119 But I'm wondering, then, like, what is the minimum that you're I 816 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:06,679 know his contract is steep, so is that part of the category of like, 817 00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,960 if you're getting one first round pick in Gallo, are you still considering 818 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,920 that? If you're san Antonio, I would consider it, but I would 819 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,840 likewise shop him around and see if I could get more I think the two 820 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,960 first plus the potential cap savings is what pushes me over the edges han Antonio. 821 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:30,039 One. First, I mean maybe if it's like less protected than the 822 00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,599 Charlotte pick in particular, but like if you know, if the Atlanta it's 823 00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:37,159 top ten protected this year and then like we start whittling it down to top 824 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,280 eight, top five, whatever, then I'm probably more open to it. 825 00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:46,800 That makes sense. Yeah, I mean I might even protect it based off 826 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,320 what you said. If I'm Atlanta then and giving up two, maybe you 827 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,039 protect it heavier this year, and then you also, if you're San Antonio, 828 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:55,079 ensures you get because the Charlotte pick is not I'd be shocked if it 829 00:54:55,159 --> 00:55:00,880 conveyed this year top eighteen protected. Maybe not shocked, but I'd fairly surprised. 830 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,760 So if you do heavier protections for Atlanta and that almost ensures you get 831 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,159 their pick this year, it does give you an X round extra first round 832 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:13,000 or in the chamber the next The next two are multi trade options, and 833 00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,760 they're Dallas Mavericks salary dumps because I just don't have And the way I went 834 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,280 about this, for anyone who's still listening, was just a kind of I'll 835 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,679 talk about a lot of the same players that have just been talked about. 836 00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,199 But I was trying to find like new fresh deals or destinations or directions for 837 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,320 teams, and so I went with this for Dallas to get off of. 838 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,079 The next two trades are gonna get them out of Tim Hardaway Junior's contract, 839 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,199 and he is owed quite a bit of money fifty three point seven million over 840 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,159 the next three years on a declining scale though, so that's a little important. 841 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,880 But the first trade is Dallas gets Kenrick Williams and Mike Muscala for Tim 842 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,760 Hardaway, Dwight Powell, Josh Green, and a twenty twenty five first round 843 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,079 pick that would be protected through twenty twenty seven, basically at the lottery level. 844 00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,639 Yeah, I go to your next one because I think I lean more 845 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:07,000 toward the other one than this one. So Dallas perceives Gary Harris and Terrence 846 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,960 Ross. Ross has one more year on his contract after this one. I 847 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,360 think it's at like thirteen million or something, and then Orlando would be taking 848 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,119 back Tim Hardaway Junior, Dwight Powell, Josh Green, and that same twenty 849 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,840 five Yeah, I lean more toward that, just like ken Rich Williams is 850 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:28,320 a great player, but he's on such a cheap contract that if your goal 851 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,280 is to flip him later for more value, it becomes difficult unless you're packaging 852 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,519 him with someone else. Whereas Gary Harris, you could turn around. He's 853 00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,800 a twenty point five million dollar expiring, so you can maybe turn him around 854 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,199 and take someone else's bad contract back if you wanted, and get more value 855 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,320 that way. Terrence Ross is under contract for one more year, and I 856 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,599 mean, you know, he's having a lost year in Orlando this year, 857 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,159 but he's a good player. I think he would fit well next to Luca 858 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,360 in particular. So yeah, I think that's that's more where I would lean 859 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,559 from Dallas's side. Okay, See, yeah, I mean I would probably 860 00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:15,960 do that deal if I were them. Orlando. I mean, like Orlando 861 00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:20,760 is tough because they've already got so many guys on that big salaries, Like 862 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,280 they don't have anyone like they have Harris coming off the books, and so 863 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,559 it's like, yeah, but if they're going to resign Mo Bamba and you're 864 00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,039 also Dwight Powell and additional Wendel Carter Jr. I prefer the okay se framework 865 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,360 just because I think Kenrick Williams would help the MAVs a lot. And then 866 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,039 they're also just you know, muscala Is like, he'll space the floor if 867 00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:43,360 you want to play it with Christops. I wouldn't recommend it, but that's 868 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,199 something you could explore. I'd like him better next to Christops than Dwight Powell, 869 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:52,000 almost at least offensively. And then you're also saving, like you're slashing 870 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,440 twenty seven million dollars off of next year's pay roll. And no, that's 871 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,079 not enough to make you a cap like a cap space team. You have 872 00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:04,079 Luca doniss Room kicking in, but do you just have more flexibility. I've 873 00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:07,719 gone back and forth on though, Okay, now you've burned another first round 874 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,599 pick, it feels like you need a good player to Chauffeurt. And I 875 00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:14,760 thought that ken Rick Williams probably, you know, because Gary Harris leaves after 876 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,000 this season, let's assume. And then Terrence Ross is you know, I 877 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:21,519 guess his shooting will pick up in Dallas with higher quality looks, and it's 878 00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,079 ticked up a little bit in Orlando as the season has gone on. But 879 00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,320 it feels like Kenrick Williams kind of gives you a long term piece to monitor. 880 00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:30,039 And the idea behind this, by the way, was if you want 881 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:34,880 to keep both Jalen Brunson and Dorian Phinney Smith, that's what's more important here. 882 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,400 So shaving the like the okay, see example, shaving twenty five plus 883 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:44,679 million dollars off your sheet next year helps you justify keeping those two players. 884 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,480 It's just a weird instance of Okay, we've burned a first round pick to 885 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,639 kind of just retained the same roster. But you do almost pigeonhole yourself just 886 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,800 as much, if not further. Do you keep this roster intact and then 887 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,440 try and pay both Phinney Smith and Brunson. So, I mean the magic 888 00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:01,960 deal saves them a ton too. I think it's fifteen plus million, and 889 00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:07,119 maybe that's that basically takes care of jail and Brunson's deal. It's not going 890 00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,480 to take care of both him and Ortan Pitney Smith. Yeah, now that's 891 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:14,199 a that's a fair point about like looking ahead to how much money they're going 892 00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:17,000 to have to commit. The center this trade, I don't even I can't 893 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,320 even mention the exact framework I listen anymore. It's Pacers Grizzlies trade. I 894 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,719 just want the Grizzlies to do something because they're so good. But seeing what 895 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,519 Norm Powell got, knowing Myles Turner is injured, and I fancy Memphis like 896 00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:32,440 this dark horse and Miles Turner destination. Like, what is the cost of 897 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,079 Miles if you say you can have Jared Culvert, Kyle Anderson and then we'll 898 00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:44,079 let you pick two of these assets between the Lakers pick Brandon Clark and then 899 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,159 the least favorable of Memphis or Utah's pick this season. So you're not getting 900 00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:52,000 any distant picks. It's not the Golden State twenty twenty four pick. None 901 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,639 of Memphis is just in case they're flash in the pan, which I think 902 00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:58,239 it's clear that they're not. So I would even lower the costs. You're 903 00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,920 like, if it's Miles Turner for the those two expirings, what needs to 904 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,639 be attached for you know, it to makes sense for both sides here? 905 01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:07,800 I lean if it's I might like, is the Lakers pick alone enough at 906 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,800 this point? Well, correct me if I'm round here, But if that 907 01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:17,760 Lakers pick just hypothetically not saying the Lakers fans don't get mad, I'm not 908 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,159 saying it's going to happen, but it might if they finish in the top 909 01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:27,920 ten, that pick goes to New Orleans, right right, So, like, 910 01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:31,599 I wouldn't consider that a trade asset if I'm another team, just on 911 01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:35,960 the off chance that things go really wrong for the Lakers in the second half 912 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,079 of the season, because like, there's a chance I just don't get that 913 01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:42,199 pick at all. I could rather just have the certainty of, like, 914 01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:45,480 sure, the Memphis or the Utah pick is gonna, you know, be 915 01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,320 in the mid to low twenties. But that's better than the chance of just 916 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,039 not getting anything. Yeah, if I were the Pacers, I'd probably prefer 917 01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:57,920 just the two first round picks, maybe you package them together and move up 918 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,480 rather than having Brandon Clark, but that would be I would no longer just 919 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,800 based off Turner's injury, because you're sort of also making this deal for beyond 920 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,199 this year. We don't. I think Turners like return day has been pinpointed 921 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,760 as March, and you're keeping Steven Adams as part of this framework, so 922 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,559 you don't necessarily need him right now. And if the cost is just again 923 01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:22,760 two out of the three of the Utah pick, then since we're let's bounce 924 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,760 the Lakers pick from consideration, So it's the Memphis pick, the Utah pick, 925 01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:30,800 and Brandon Clark. If you're giving two out of those three plus the 926 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,519 expiring contracts of Anderson and Jared Cover, I would do it. If I'm 927 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:40,119 Memphis, and if I'm getting two first round picks or the equivalent right now 928 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,599 for Miles Turner, I probably consider it strongly. If I'm Indiana. Yeah, 929 01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:50,159 like, if if Indiana is willing to take that Lakers pick instead of 930 01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,239 Brandon Clark in particular, I definitely do it for Memphis, because you're not 931 01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:58,199 well, you're always gone. But I'm also like, what if it's like, 932 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,280 what if it's twelve, Like I know, it's top ten protected, 933 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,840 it's not like it's you know, lottery protected. You have more room there. 934 01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:08,239 And I would think, you know, even if they do nothing and 935 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,480 then like you need a Lebron or an ad injury, I think to vault 936 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,719 them out of the play in territory essentially. I mean we've seen both already 937 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,719 exactly. That's what I'm saying, Like, you're betting on those guys to 938 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,480 stay healthy. If you are, you know, getting if you're taking that 939 01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:28,360 pick as an asset, you're betting on those guys to stay healthy, and 940 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:35,039 I would never want to like Hinge my primary return of a trade on Anthony 941 01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:37,880 Davis staying healthy. If I was Indiana, though, I guess I value 942 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,199 this Lakers pick more highly than you do. I would gamble on the Lakers 943 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,719 pick and then ask for the more favorable of the Memphis or You topic. 944 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,119 I would settle. I would still consider just taking those two picks, plus 945 01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,639 the salary we mentioned, and moving moving forward with it. Just you could 946 01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:59,000 say that maybe they'll get better offers over the off season. I don't know 947 01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,920 what those are. They're like, you're just probably just expiring money still. 948 01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,679 And then if someone giving two first round picks up for Miles Turner when he's 949 01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:10,920 in a contract here, I don't know. I mean, Miles Turner has 950 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,960 been in trade rumors like as soon as he signed that contract, Like I 951 01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:17,519 for his sake, I just hope he gets traded so we can finally not 952 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,960 deal with Miles Turner trade rumors for a minute. This trade in theory, 953 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,400 like if Miles Turner is going to return at some point this year, this 954 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:30,039 trade would make Indiana worse, increase their chances of getting a high lottery pick 955 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,639 as well, And it's a fair point, like maybe they do end up 956 01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:38,800 right now, the Lakers are thirteenth, so that pick would convey there are 957 01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:44,639 a game and a half ahead of the Knicks, who are the tenth spot 958 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,320 right now at the lottery according to Tanka than and then like Portland is nine, 959 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,400 you're not catching Portland, so you know, especially if one team jumps 960 01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,280 even lower than you, like, that's going to push everyone else down the 961 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,280 board. So it's a fair point like that. I guess that pick is 962 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,679 more likely to convey than that. But yeah, I from Memphis, I 963 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:10,119 have no problem doing that deal. And yeah, in the end, I 964 01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,760 would probably have to consider as well, you have a shape or set in 965 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,039 here. We deleted that framework because I think you're getting it was part of 966 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:21,639 justifying including Blanding Clark plus two firsts. Okay, okay, I'm also in 967 01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:24,840 love with Ohapeer Sett and just want to see him on a good team. 968 01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:28,519 Yah me too, Yeah, like that would make me willing more willing to 969 01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:31,400 include Brandon and Clark because they like that's the thing even more than the Lakers 970 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,119 pick. Brandon Clark would be the thing I'd be most reluctant to give up 971 01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:36,920 with from Memphis. Yeah, he's had a nice bounce back year after what 972 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,599 happened last season. Speaking of the Lakers, though trades number five and six 973 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:47,440 are centered around or centered around, isn't a thing. They involved the Lakers 974 01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:50,280 and getting rid of Russell Westbrook. So the first one I have you and 975 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,920 I have talked about, and we were among the first, if not the 976 01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:59,639 first, to posit the Rust to Nick scenario. It's I'm sure it's because 977 01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:02,840 everyone listen to this podcast, but it probably just wasn't really that original of 978 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,840 a concept Russ till like the Knicks, it's not been reported. It's just 979 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:14,559 become like one of the most popular Twitter scenarios since then. So we tried 980 01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:17,360 to figure out what the package would ultimately be. I said I'd be willing 981 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,280 to do it without taking any picks, but this is the framework I suggested 982 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,159 based off what you said to me and what others said. The Knicks would 983 01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:29,639 need to do it. The Lakers get Randall Fournier and Kemba Walker. The 984 01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:31,559 Knicks get Russ, Kemp bays Moore, and DeAndre Jordan. Those are just 985 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,320 you know, to keep the roster spots even for LA and they're on minimums 986 01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:40,440 a twenty twenty six swap and a twenty twenty seven first round pick. I 987 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,800 would say you can't if it's unprotected. Wow, but let's just say top 988 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,599 four protection. Where do you land on that? I know other people have 989 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:53,079 framed it as like, and there's been different variations where the Lakers get Alec 990 01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:58,320 Burks instead of Randall and I'm not doing I do not if I'm the Knicks, 991 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,639 you can't have Julius Random Russell Westbrook the same team. It's just it's 992 01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,840 a non starter. I also think Fournier has been good for the past like 993 01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:10,800 month, fish, So where do you land on this framework? Is they're 994 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,519 better framework that you have in mind for a rusty New York scenario? But 995 01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:17,320 like I think the Lakers still say instant yes, I just don't know. 996 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,800 I don't think they have the luxury. Like sure that pick is has a 997 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,840 pretty good chance of being pretty good because Lebron's going to be forty two with 998 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,199 that point and playing with Bronny in Cleveland or wherever whatever team draft Bronny or 999 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,840 look, Lebron just might be retired by twenty twenty seven, right, you 1000 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:42,599 know? And then sure, you can bet on the Lakers signing another star 1001 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,920 I guess to play next to a d but given his availability questions, they're 1002 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,119 not gonna be able to do it until twenty twenty three. Like I know, 1003 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,360 things work out for the Lakers more often than not, But you know, 1004 01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:57,239 like they were really bad for a half decade and then just kind of 1005 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,159 stumbled into Lebron in twenty eighteen because I think part of the incentive was like 1006 01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:04,199 he saw, okay, they had the number two pick, and you know, 1007 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,840 a couple of years in a row here or whatever, like they got 1008 01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:12,000 Alonzo and Brandon Ingram and Kuzman and josh Hard and like they have all these 1009 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:15,639 guys who we could trade for someone else. Well, the Lakers already over 1010 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:19,519 there twenty twenty two first to the Pelicans, they were twenty twenty four. 1011 01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:23,639 They could be deferred to twenty twenty five to the Pelicans. They were a 1012 01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:28,320 swap in twenty twenty three to the Pelicans. So the Lakers just might not 1013 01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:33,440 be able to organically rebuild at any point in the next couple of years. 1014 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:41,119 So I'm happy to bet against the Lakers long term future here. But like, 1015 01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:44,679 the Lakers just don't have the luxury of saying like, Okay, we 1016 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,320 can stand pat when they just benched Russell Westbrook again last night. And I 1017 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,079 mean, I'm sure you watched that game, but like the clip going around 1018 01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:57,800 Twitter today of Russ catching a corner three and the entire crowd is screaming for 1019 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,880 him not to shoot it here, Yeah, I mean, this is just 1020 01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:04,840 so far gone, Like the Lakers are not winning the title if they don't 1021 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:10,480 do something drastic this year. Lebron is in his age thirty seven season, 1022 01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:15,719 I believe, like you just can't wait because there is no tomorrow for this 1023 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,199 group. This trade makes them significantly better, I think so. I think 1024 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:25,000 it's a no brainer for the Lakers. For the Knicks, like, I 1025 01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:29,439 still wins, but I mean you've talked me into why they would want to 1026 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,479 do it, getting off of the randall in forty eight contracts and like also 1027 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,840 just freeing up minutes for the young guys. I still wonder though, Like, 1028 01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:42,119 well Tims played DeAndre Jordan over Obi Toppin, Is that is that a 1029 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,600 possibility? Yeah, you have to waive DeAndre Jordan Camp. I'm like, 1030 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,560 I'm assuming both those dudes get waived. But if he does, then he 1031 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,000 needs to be fired. Well, maybe that's what it's like what I was 1032 01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:56,800 talking about with the Sixers and that stuff earlier, Like maybe Leon Rose has 1033 01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,279 to step in and be like, all right, I'm making this trade in 1034 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,800 part so I could force you to make them right choices. Yeah, they're 1035 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,640 looking. If you can figure out a way and you can to fold Alec 1036 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,119 Burke's into this, I would do it as well, just to be like, 1037 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:13,279 I'm not giving you any other options. The thing that gives me possible 1038 01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,760 Lakers because four days fit perfect. Kemba has not had a good season in 1039 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,359 New York. When they have him running more pick and roll, it does 1040 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,359 feel like the ball pings around the floor a little bit better. He's just 1041 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,399 an easier fit in LA, like he can play off the ball a lot 1042 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,680 more than russ Ken, and so you can deal with the fluctuations there. 1043 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,199 It's the Randall stuff. Here is the four year, one hundred seventeen million 1044 01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,359 dollars extension that will kick in next season. If you're the Lakers, you 1045 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,079 have to be thinking about that. The fit with him in a D isn't 1046 01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:43,840 the cleanest. You can at least use him as a backup five, like 1047 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,800 you can start them together or whatever. But you can use him as a 1048 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,720 backup five and do stuff with him setting screens and maybe rolling to the basket 1049 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,880 if you surround him with enough shooters, like he can attack as well. 1050 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,840 And I mean, look, you look at the game on Saturday night. 1051 01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,880 His energy is fluctuated, but like he was playing with more energy than Russ 1052 01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:05,680 for a good part of that game, and I think he would have a 1053 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,680 better chance of maybe leading some of those second units, and at least at 1054 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,079 his peak he was hitting all these ISO jumpers last year. That's not really 1055 01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:15,920 something that Russ has ever done, even when he was super clutch and won 1056 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,319 the MVP Award. Was that twenty seventeen? Was that around then? I 1057 01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:27,840 can't remember. So that's the justification of the Lakers. It's just the swap 1058 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,199 and the pick is it just seems like a lot to give up when you're 1059 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:35,880 still you're essentially saying like we're just gonna take on four years of Julius Randall 1060 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:41,239 and you're betting on him being like a lot better for you than Russell Westbrook. 1061 01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:45,279 And there's maybe that's the likely scenario, but it's definitely not a perfect 1062 01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:47,279 fit, which is where I'd be concerned. Yeah, I mean, I 1063 01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:53,000 just think it's also you're getting three legit rotation players for one and when you're 1064 01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:57,840 relying on so many men guys, I think this makes them deeper and better. 1065 01:10:58,039 --> 01:11:00,680 And like I just keep coming to that they don't have the luxury of 1066 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,520 waiting. So I hear you, Like, those picks could come back to 1067 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:09,039 haunt them. Probably will come back to haunt them. But that is the 1068 01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:14,279 cost of business of acquiring Lebron James in his mid thirties. And the really 1069 01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:19,640 spicy angle to all of this is if Lebron does leave LA at some point 1070 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:25,840 to go play with Bronnie Jr. Maybe having Randall allows you to trade a 1071 01:11:26,039 --> 01:11:30,439 d and get an absolute haul for him, and Randall can help anchor your 1072 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:36,640 rebuild. Dad is beyond spicy at that point. Yeah, I guess if 1073 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,319 any Davis wants out, sure whatever. Also, poor Bronnie. I don't 1074 01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:44,720 have parents and didn't really grow up with parents, but like I wouldn't in 1075 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,520 my twenties or like eighteen nineteen, Like, I don't know if I want 1076 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:51,119 my dad just being around me. Lebron's traveled a lot throughout his life, 1077 01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:54,600 so maybe the dynamic there's different. I could, you'd be so out of 1078 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,439 touch, But like, is that the first thing you want to do upon 1079 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,800 entering the m and talk about you're already living in a shadow. Now you're 1080 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,960 basically going to be living in his sad But we were talking about this yesterday, 1081 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,560 like maybe some team, I mean, I don't follow, Like, 1082 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:14,439 I don't know how Lebron Brownie has ranked in like the class of twenty since 1083 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,199 he was like twelve. I find that stuff like nauseating. You know, 1084 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,359 some people don't like trades, and I get the human element behind I tried 1085 01:12:20,399 --> 01:12:23,920 to keep that in mind more. I used to our editors, don't let 1086 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,720 me do this anymore applicable, but I would preface like every trade article that 1087 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,279 i've right, like there is a human element to all this and we're trying 1088 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:30,960 to recognize it. And they're like, you don't need to put this, 1089 01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:39,760 and like, but like rating like twelve and thirteen like just adolescent athletes, 1090 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,359 I don't. I don't. That stuff makes me cringe. But like so 1091 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,600 I don't know where he's ranked in whatever class he's ranked in, but I 1092 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,640 wonder if some team would draft him just to significantly higher, just to get 1093 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:55,199 Lebron in his age forty one season or whatever. It's gonna well, if 1094 01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:58,199 you're if he's like, if you're a team in the twenties, you're presumably 1095 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,880 good, which is why the twenty So why not roll the dice right now? 1096 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,760 I think we were talking about this yesterday. I think it's gonna be 1097 01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:09,399 Washington somehow, Like they're gonna get rid of Bield, They're gonna have a 1098 01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:13,600 ton of picks after that, and then Washington is just gonna become the place 1099 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,239 where, like all time grades go to retire, like they have their one 1100 01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:20,239 or two year retirement tour so that they can draft Brownie Jr. Got Lebron 1101 01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:24,439 in for a year, he can hop hop, with God willing, I 1102 01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,880 will still be Joe Biden. There's someone else by that point, not Donald 1103 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,560 Trump. The other dump I have wasn't this So someone pitched someone who covers 1104 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,520 the Rockets pitched me on a scenario where Russ was going to Houston for Wall, 1105 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,880 and my stance has just been that doesn't really make any sense for the 1106 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,560 Lakers, because if you're giving up a pick or even a swap, I 1107 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,640 just don't trust that John Wall is enough of an upgrade from Russell Westbrook so 1108 01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:51,479 why waste that asset? So I countered with this and they're apparently going to 1109 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:56,119 write an article about this proposal. So that's how at least interesting it is. 1110 01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:00,560 It's the same framework as before. So the rock that would be getting 1111 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,359 Russ DeAndre and Kemp bays Moore the twenty twenty six swap, they their own 1112 01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,239 is top four protected that year to okay see, but they own Brooklyn's, 1113 01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:12,720 so like that swap could actually be maybe a little bit more valuable to them. 1114 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,439 And then the twenty twenty seven first from Los Angeles and the Lakers would 1115 01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:24,399 be getting Eric Gordon, Nuaba, Daniel Tye and DJ Augustine M. I'm 1116 01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:29,479 more inclined to take the next offer if I'm the Lakers. I think Houston's 1117 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,920 feels more realistic in terms of what would be available, just because we know 1118 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:38,319 that all these dudes are available. Yeah, I know, would you give 1119 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:42,600 up one first round let's jettison to swap, then would you sup your first 1120 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,680 round pick to do this? Dude? Eric Gordon is a fantastic fit. 1121 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,039 Now, the couple of things you need to consider, and Eric Gordon's involved 1122 01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:50,359 in other trades, including the next one, so get ready. Here a 1123 01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:55,000 lot of Eric Gordon, his salary guarantees if you win the title in twenty 1124 01:14:55,039 --> 01:14:59,640 twenty four, in theory, you should be happy to pay that. But 1125 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,960 the Acre specifically are just cheap as shit. That's why Alex Caruso's not there 1126 01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:11,319 anymore. And they could feasibly like if you told me the Lakers won the 1127 01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:14,640 title this season because they bench Russ and Adie and Lebron were healthy, I 1128 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,520 would bet against that heavily, but it wouldn't be the most They are still 1129 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:23,439 not the most outlandish title pick relative to teams that are gonna make the playoffs. 1130 01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:27,199 Eric Gordon is perfect for them though, just talking about camping out behind 1131 01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:30,760 the three point line, putting pressure on the rim, not airballing. You 1132 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,960 know, all these shots from like the Wings, not having the crowd boo 1133 01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:38,239 him because he's gonna take a jumper. Those are all upgrades. I just 1134 01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:42,600 don't know if you're getting enough. And the other rotation players David Nuaba couldn't 1135 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,159 in theory help you. Daniel Tye, I guess, is a fine backup 1136 01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:48,479 big, but he's not going to be on the court when it matters most. 1137 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:53,119 And like Houston, doesn't play him a ton either. Would you even 1138 01:15:53,159 --> 01:15:55,920 would you give up the one first he does? I think I still probably 1139 01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:00,399 would because Eric Gordon is that quality of a fit for LA. Yeah, 1140 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,279 and I mean, like again, you are upgrading the rest of the rotation 1141 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:10,359 that I think it stands to reason you could still upgrade some of these parts. 1142 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,199 But it's a fair point, like how much is Augustine or Nuaba or 1143 01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:19,439 even tight It's gonna factor in when you start cutting your rotations like this feels 1144 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:24,520 like a regular season trade, like a trade to help them right the ship, 1145 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:28,560 you know, for the next thirty games. But Eric Gordon's probably the 1146 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,560 only one who actually factors into their title chances once the playoffs again, or 1147 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:39,960 meaningfully title factors in, I should say, so Nuaba actually gives you someone 1148 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,760 who could defend a bunch of spots on the wings though, And that's not 1149 01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,119 a luxury they really have, right, Yeah. And Augustine comes off the 1150 01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:50,960 books as salaries non guaranteed for next year as a three hundred and thirty three 1151 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:56,920 thousand dollars guarantee, so that's temporary. Nuaba has a playoffs for five point 1152 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,279 four million, which I would bet on him picking up three more years of 1153 01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:03,560 Daniel Tice is if he I know, there's the look there, there's two 1154 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,199 outcomes with the Eric Warden thing. Either he comes off the books after next 1155 01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:09,319 year, or you've wanted tie it on he's still on your books, in 1156 01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:12,960 which case, awesome, Fine, he probably helped to do that. So 1157 01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:19,479 yeah, wow, so this is you are. You just must be much 1158 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,680 higher on Julius Randall than I am at this point, because I'm even saying 1159 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,239 just one pick, not even the swap now at this point, and you're 1160 01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,239 not taking back John wall So and Houston by has wall and Russ on the 1161 01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:34,439 books for over ninety million dollars next season, you just you eat it. 1162 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,800 It's one more year and you're not going to be good anyway. I get 1163 01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,720 like the whatever, but maybe they both give back a ton and buy out 1164 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,640 talks to go somewhere where they have a chance of playing for something that matters. 1165 01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:50,840 But it's like I would do it if I was Houston. You're giving 1166 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:55,960 me that twenty twenty seven Lakers pick, and we just we know that we're 1167 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,840 going to be out of this like weird, Oh, we're paying almost one 1168 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,439 hundred million dollars two point guards in one season, I would do it. 1169 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,279 I'm not gonna yeah. For Houston, I would do it without question because, 1170 01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:10,760 yeah, twenty twenty three, like Jalen Green is still on his rookie 1171 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,319 deal, Like all these guys are still on the rookie deal. I guess 1172 01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:17,680 Kevin Porter Junior becomes a restricted free agent that summer. But like, I 1173 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:26,880 mean, you would have literally like close to probably one hundred million dollars in 1174 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,680 cap space, Like you could really mess around with some teams at that point. 1175 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,640 So I think Houston, it's a no brainer. The Lakers, where 1176 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,600 where I have some pouts, this would also for using me a way to 1177 01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,359 ensure that you get a first round pick. In Eric Gordon trade, I 1178 01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,960 think, yeah, his salary guarantee in twenty twenty four for twenty point nine 1179 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,039 million. I think that would matter to a team like Phoenix, let's say, 1180 01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,800 because they have a real shot at winning the title, and fans should 1181 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,079 not think this way. I don't even think this way. I would if 1182 01:18:54,079 --> 01:18:56,279 I'm Phoenix, I have the opportunity to trade for Eric Gordon, You'd better 1183 01:18:56,319 --> 01:19:02,079 fucking believe I'm trading for Eric Gordon. Really. Robert Sarver notoriously stingy is 1184 01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:05,640 going to be thinking that way. So this was like I wasn't After thinking 1185 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,199 about that and then seeing whatever the hell the Blazers did with Norman Powell has 1186 01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:13,560 made me wonder, Oh, it's Toronto gonna get a first round pick for 1187 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,560 just Eric Gordon straight up. So that was my other part of that year. 1188 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,439 We can move off from the Lakers. I'm surprised how much more I 1189 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,119 guess I get while you like the Knicks package better for the Lakers, but 1190 01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:29,800 like four more years of Julius Randall. I hope everything's fine in his life, 1191 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,840 because whenever players are playing this poorly for so long, and he was 1192 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,680 fine on Saturday Night for most of the game, you have to think there's 1193 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,319 something else at place. I really do hope he's all right off the court. 1194 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,479 I am ecstatic he got paid and he delivered one of the most entertaining 1195 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,560 New York Knicks seasons in recent memory. But that four year extension scares living 1196 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:53,159 shit out of me. If if I'm a basketball operations person. The next 1197 01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:57,079 trade is a Jazz Rockets trade, and everyone's been trying to figure out, 1198 01:19:57,079 --> 01:20:00,279 oh, how can they get Jeremy Grant or Harrison Barnes or maybe even Oko 1199 01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:02,680 who's now on the Clippers. They do all of a sudden you need more 1200 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:08,159 playmaking after the Joe Ingles injury. So this one is Jordan Clarkson, Joe 1201 01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:12,439 Angles. They're twenty sixteen first, that's pending in obligation to Okay, see 1202 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:18,399 for Eric Gordon and Jay Shawn Tate. Yeah, I would do this for 1203 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:25,920 the honestly both teams. I think I'm not sure is Jay Shawn Tate exactly 1204 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,520 what the Jazz need defensively to where you're fine with his if he's shooting being 1205 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,039 on the floor. I think your offense is just thermonuclear enough to make it 1206 01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:36,600 work anyway, But minutes where him and go Bear are on the court together 1207 01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,560 could get a little squishy. Yeah, I mean maybe you just try to 1208 01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,920 oh I say stagger because I don't think you really because part of the benefit 1209 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,319 would be, like, well, I guess look, Eric Gordon's would instantly 1210 01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:56,159 become the second best perimeter defender on right exactly. Yeah, So I mean, 1211 01:20:56,319 --> 01:21:00,760 like and also there's some benefit of just getting Jordan Clarkson and swapping him 1212 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,039 out with someone who can actually hit shots on occasion, like Eric Gordon will 1213 01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:09,520 still you know, chuck him up, but I think you put way more 1214 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,319 pressure on the rim too. Yeah, I think he's I would value his 1215 01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:18,000 efficiency compared to Clarkson, who's just shooting horrifically this year. And like again, 1216 01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:23,399 this comes down to trading two or one rotation player now that English is 1217 01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,880 out for two and you know, I think Utaw has to act with some 1218 01:21:28,039 --> 01:21:31,960 sense of urgency because the title picture is relatively wild wide open this year, 1219 01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:35,479 especially given all the uncertainty in the East. I know, like Golden State 1220 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:41,000 and Phoenix in the West are look like the two favorites to come out, 1221 01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:44,520 but you know, Memphis is only going to get better. Denver and the 1222 01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,560 Clippers are going to get healthier next year and knock on Wood, So like 1223 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:53,000 this might be their best last chance with this group, given you know how 1224 01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:59,159 much speculation there's been about Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert and whether they're a long 1225 01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:02,560 term fit together there, So this might feel like an overpay, but I 1226 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,640 think you almost have to just to give this thing one last real shot to 1227 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,520 work. And if if you go down and flames again in the playoffs because 1228 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,239 your perimeter defense is so bad, then I think you probably have to consider 1229 01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:19,000 some bigger shake ups this summer. I would agree there. I think I 1230 01:22:19,039 --> 01:22:21,199 would do this too if I was Utah, And I think for Houston year 1231 01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:25,960 giving up on Jay Shawn Tate, but maybe you could flip flip Clarkson for 1232 01:22:26,079 --> 01:22:30,000 value next season when he'll have two years left on his deal, including that 1233 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,840 year, and then you're ensuring you get just you know, sort of hedging 1234 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,840 against Utah's future for all the reasons that you just outlined is fairly smart. 1235 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,640 And I know everyone's talking about, like how great of a find Jay Shawn 1236 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,720 Tate was. Next year's last year of his contracts, you're gonna start thinking 1237 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:47,920 about paying him. And I hope he does get paid, but like the 1238 01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:51,880 shine is kind of wear it off what he's I'm going to do, So 1239 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,079 I think I would do it for both sides. I think the side more 1240 01:22:56,199 --> 01:23:00,239 likely to say no might actually be well if we want to talk about like 1241 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:02,640 tax implications and stuff at Utah, but they might actually be saving money in 1242 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:08,079 this deal where it was pretty straight up. But I think Houston's probably the 1243 01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:10,760 team more likely to say no if they want a first round pick for Eric 1244 01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,840 Gordon. This is not going to be the deal that they make. I 1245 01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,279 like it for both sides personally, though, yeah, I have another I 1246 01:23:16,359 --> 01:23:19,439 have another set of trades where I'm trying to get the Bulls a wing without 1247 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,600 them giving up Pat will or Kobe White, just because I feel like everything 1248 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:27,399 of those every one of those scenarios has been discussed, and also I'm just 1249 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,840 not sure they seem reticent to go all in. So my first trade is 1250 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,840 it's a three teamer, but I'll outline the two teams. First is Boston 1251 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:38,920 gets Derek Jones Jr. That Portland twenty twenty two first, which probably isn't 1252 01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,079 conveying this year because of the aut unprotected and then a twenty twenty six second 1253 01:23:43,159 --> 01:23:46,880 from the Bulls because they forfeited. They're twenty twenty four second for tampering with 1254 01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:53,159 Fronzo Ball and so, and they're also ducking the tax as part of this 1255 01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:55,560 deal, which is why the trade was set up this way. And then 1256 01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,640 Chicago is getting Josh Richardson and Grant Williams. I gave oh sorry, I 1257 01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,479 didn't give the Boston Celtics that second round pick. I gave the second round 1258 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:08,800 pick to Okay See to take on Troy Brown Junior's five point two million or 1259 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,159 whatever. So in my mind, I was like, Boston would prefer ducking 1260 01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:15,279 attacks this year. Maybe they have another trade set up for Denna Shrewder where 1261 01:24:15,279 --> 01:24:16,960 they don't care about taking on Troy Brown Junior. You want that twenty twenty 1262 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,640 six second. But the framework is essentially, if you're the Bulls, that 1263 01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:26,640 first round pick from Portland, Derek Jones Junior and Troy Brown Junior's expiring contracts 1264 01:24:28,319 --> 01:24:30,800 for Josh Richardson and Grant Williams, who would be a fantastic backup big for 1265 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,600 them behind Brooch. Yeah yeah, I like it for the Bulls because I 1266 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:39,119 agree with you that pick is not conveying. I'm gonna look because I don't 1267 01:24:39,159 --> 01:24:44,960 remember what the protections are. Oh boy, it's just the lottery protected through 1268 01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:48,119 twenty twenty eight. I got probably conveyed. So if if you're selling it 1269 01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:53,039 to Boston, they at least know it's probably gonna convey The Blazers are not 1270 01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:56,359 just going to begin a string of missing the playoffs for six strads. Yeah 1271 01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,239 yeah, because it's instead in twenty twenty eight becomes the second round pick, 1272 01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,600 or I mean, the Blazers at some point might have to negotiate those protections 1273 01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:10,680 down just because that's going to limit them because what they have like acquire other 1274 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:16,279 first. It's just like, yeah, whoa, that's a Neil Schay's parting 1275 01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:19,560 gift to the Portland trail Blazers. So yeah, I mean I do that 1276 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,119 if I'm Boston, I would do if I'm Chicago. You're not, like 1277 01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:28,520 Chicago and Utah are in a similar boat. Not in the sense that, 1278 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,439 like you know, Chicago doesn't have to go all in because they think this 1279 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,640 thing's going to hell after this year. But again, the East is wide 1280 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:40,920 open. You've already gone effectively all in with the Wanzo Caruso DDR acquisitions. 1281 01:25:41,039 --> 01:25:46,479 Like why not give up that Portland pick that's probably not going to convey realistically 1282 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,279 at least this year, and like, who knows what happens with Dame, 1283 01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:51,640 Maybe they do miss the playoffs for the next couple of years, and by 1284 01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:57,479 the time I think conveys the mars aged out of how good he's been this 1285 01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,279 season, and like you know, vouch they have to resign after next year. 1286 01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:04,319 So I have no problem giving that pick up in a win out trade. 1287 01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:09,399 Yeah, I actually like it for all three sides, Like Boston. 1288 01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,479 I mean it again. So it's not a not great message to Tatum and 1289 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:20,279 Brown, I guess. But I also probably don't value Josh Richardson that highly 1290 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:24,239 after having seen him over the last couple of years. I know it's been 1291 01:26:24,279 --> 01:26:27,640 better this year than he was in Phillure or Dallas. But like, if 1292 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,520 I can get out of the contract extension that didn't really make sense at the 1293 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:35,960 time, I get it for a potential pick for it at some point, 1294 01:26:36,199 --> 01:26:42,319 or can you know, negotiate down with Portland later. Yeah, I think 1295 01:26:42,399 --> 01:26:45,840 I would probably do that. Grant Williams is a sticking point for me. 1296 01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:47,279 He shot the ball really well this year, but he's still just like a 1297 01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:53,680 medium used backup big at this point, and he's going to be extension ledge 1298 01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,560 Lette for this season, And so I do think Blossom would be the team 1299 01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,000 most likely. Say no. My other idea was, we were just you, 1300 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:04,079 We were just complimenting the Clippers were willing to pay so much in taxes, 1301 01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:08,039 but let's just say they wanted to shave some of that tax bill. 1302 01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:12,399 I have the Bulls getting Marcus Morris, the Clippers getting Troy Brown junior, 1303 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,359 and they can get Derrik Jones Junior. I just assumed they would be trying 1304 01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:18,520 to slash their payroll as much as possible. And I had Derrick Jones Junior 1305 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,880 going to okay See just because they're the only team with cap space, and 1306 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,920 like you could send him to a trade exception. But I have them getting 1307 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,479 two seconds for taking on Derrik Jones Juniors expiring salary twenty twenty six and twenty 1308 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,399 twenty seven seconds from Chicago. So you're if you're Chicago, you're getting Marcus 1309 01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:41,520 Morris while keeping that first round pick, while keeping Pat Will and while keeping 1310 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,479 Kobe White. I don't know if the Clippers would want a first from Marcus 1311 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,800 Morris. I don't think he's worth based off how he's played this season. 1312 01:27:47,359 --> 01:27:51,399 I don't think he's worth a first round pick right now. That's like the 1313 01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:57,359 Clippers are at the team that says no here if anything like Chicago obvious, 1314 01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,439 yes okay See. Sure, Like you know, Derek Jones Jr. Is 1315 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:05,279 ten million expiring, It gets some cash in two seconds? Why not the 1316 01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:08,680 Clippers, like I think, if they're going to try to trim their tax 1317 01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,600 bill, they're just gonna try to dump Sergibaca to okay See because he's in 1318 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,119 nine point seven million dollars expiring, so this trims her tax bill by more. 1319 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:19,359 Yeah, it would, it would, but like you know, Wellmer 1320 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:25,079 doesn't really seem to care about the tax bill. If the Powell thing was 1321 01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:30,079 any indication, and you know, having Marcus Morris signs for multiple years, 1322 01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:32,760 I guess it comes down to what their plans are for Covington moving forward. 1323 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,680 Like that's what I thought, is like, maybe you view Covington is being 1324 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:40,159 signed for cheaper and could do Maybe he plays a lot of your small ball. 1325 01:28:40,199 --> 01:28:42,439 They tried that in Portland a little bit. Maybe he becomes like your 1326 01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:46,640 day factor small ball five. Yeah, because I mean George Leonard Powell or 1327 01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:53,079 probably one two three or two three four, I should say, moving forward, 1328 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,840 And you know, we got Reggie Jackson under contract for one more year, 1329 01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,119 so it's like, yeah, filling out those one in five spots. 1330 01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:02,960 But in time, like I think every other team is looking around and like 1331 01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:06,720 so desperate for wings, Like maybe the Clippers are just happy to hoard them 1332 01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:11,159 and figure like if we do ever want to pivot off of Marcus Morris, 1333 01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,680 like maybe we could get a first for him, just because so many teams 1334 01:29:15,319 --> 01:29:18,920 need this archetype of player. So like, if I'm running the Clippers and 1335 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:25,239 I'm trying to shave tax, like I'm trying to dump Surgebaca first before I'm 1336 01:29:25,279 --> 01:29:29,560 just salary dumping Marcus Morris. Would you do Derrek Jones junior, Troy Brown 1337 01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,600 Junior, and that Portland pick straight up for Marcus Morris if you're Chicago, 1338 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:39,960 Yeah, you would not. Why not? That's fair? Would you have 1339 01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:43,159 your the Clippers then you are getting a first round pick at some point over 1340 01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:46,840 the next six years? Yeah, No, I still wouldn't for the Clippers 1341 01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,600 just because they are also with Kawai and Paul George. It's like when now 1342 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:58,199 time that Portland pick is not going to help you during those two guys ten 1343 01:29:58,319 --> 01:30:01,359 year on the team. So I think I would value if I'm trading Marcus 1344 01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:06,399 Morris. Like the idea I have come back to is Marcus Morris for Duncan 1345 01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:11,119 Robinson. And this was before the Norman Powell deal, so Norman Powell probably 1346 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:15,359 eliminates that need. But like, I would probably trade Marcus Morris if I'm 1347 01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:21,520 trying to trade them for like a four or five instead of just you know, 1348 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:27,000 salary filler and the down the line pick that isn't gonna do anything for 1349 01:30:27,079 --> 01:30:32,359 me at the moment. That's totally fair. Moving on wrapping up here, 1350 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,319 So I don't know how I'm gonna I have a three team and a four 1351 01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:38,920 teams on trade here, so I'm gonna try and make it as simple as 1352 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,760 possible. Okay, see gets and I'm listening them first. So they're getting 1353 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,319 phoenix is twenty twenty four first round pick. Let's say it's top five protection. 1354 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,920 They are giving up the twenty twenty two Phoenix picked that they're owed, 1355 01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:53,159 and so in my mind, I'm like, you, of course want Phoenix 1356 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:56,399 in twenty twenty four rather than right now when it's going to be number thirty. 1357 01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,399 Yeah. Yeah. There's also I'm not going to go through the rannular 1358 01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,159 stuff here, but trust and Brian kilcull the document. I have every team 1359 01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:06,600 touching each other as dirty as that sounds like, the rules have been satisfied. 1360 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:12,600 There's cash, there's fake seconds. So the framework was Okay, gets 1361 01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,920 phoenixes twenty twenty four. First, Orlando gets abdul Nader. They can take 1362 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,840 him into the Gary Clark TP. I think that's still active. They get 1363 01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:26,319 Phoenix's two twenty three second. Then Phoenix gets Kendrick Williams and its own twenty 1364 01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:30,640 twenty two first back from OKAYC. And so the first part of this transaction 1365 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,359 is OKAYC is going from twenty and twenty two is Phoenix pick, which would 1366 01:31:33,359 --> 01:31:38,079 be number thirty. They're just it's gonna be number thirty to two and twenty 1367 01:31:38,079 --> 01:31:43,640 four where that's really loosely protected. Chris Paul is technically still under contract that 1368 01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,680 year, but do you know where the Suns are going to be? You 1369 01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,840 know where they are right now though, and that's number thirty. And then 1370 01:31:49,079 --> 01:31:54,760 Orlando is getting Phoenix's second round pick in two thousand and twenty three plus cash 1371 01:31:55,399 --> 01:31:59,319 to take on abdul Nader, who is like, oh, no money at 1372 01:31:59,359 --> 01:32:01,640 all. So the first part of this transaction, how do you feel, 1373 01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,079 because if it's a mood like if you don't think okay, so you can 1374 01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:11,479 consider doing Are they willing to give up ken Rick Williams for making that concessions 1375 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,359 with the picks? There's obviously another step in this process, but they're not 1376 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,239 making out like bandits in the second part of this trade. Yeah, no, 1377 01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:21,920 I like the idea of swapping now for later with that pick because yeah, 1378 01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:27,239 that pick is going to be twenty eight at best, probably probably twenty 1379 01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:31,039 nine or thirtieth. So even if you know Phoenix is probably still gonna be 1380 01:32:31,119 --> 01:32:34,479 good a couple of years down the road, but like you can at least 1381 01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:39,960 gamble on the possibility that things goes out for them over the next two years, 1382 01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:44,800 whereas now it's like in your certainty things are going to go pretty bad 1383 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,239 for them. And again, like Kenrick Juilliams is a really good player, 1384 01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:50,600 and he would be good on a contender, but he's learnning two million dollars, 1385 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:56,600 so it's going to be really hard to get something of actual value that 1386 01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,000 isn't a draft pick, Like you just don't have this allies to match, 1387 01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:02,880 and I know they're so far into the cap they don't necessarily need to. 1388 01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:09,880 I think this is pretty reasonable value for that. The second part of this 1389 01:33:10,039 --> 01:33:14,439 transaction, though, is the Rockets are getting Alfred Peyton, Dario Sarich, 1390 01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,199 Phoenix is twenty twenty two first, which again they now have to move, 1391 01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:21,800 and then Phoenix is twenty twenty four second, and Steve Bomber's favorite thing. 1392 01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:26,800 Oh note, wow, tell me Fautida's favorite thing, of which he does 1393 01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,239 not have a lot of cash. Ye Okac is getting Jalen Smith and a 1394 01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:33,720 fake second from Houston, and then the Sons are receiving Eric Gordon and so 1395 01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:39,039 it's like the Macro recap. The Rockets are getting their first round pick for 1396 01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:42,079 Eric Gordon. Here they're not. You have Dario Starch's money on the books 1397 01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:45,479 next season. But if I'm Houston, that's not. Dario starts when he's 1398 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,199 healthy, can play. I know some people view it as bad money coming 1399 01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:49,840 off an a c L injury. He doesn't necessarily help them because they have 1400 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,239 Tye and Shane Good and well they still have Christian Wood by then, we 1401 01:33:54,279 --> 01:33:57,199 don't know. So you're getting your first for Eric Gordon without taking back damaging 1402 01:33:57,239 --> 01:34:02,520 money. Phoenix in some is giving up Jalen Smith, abdel Nader, Dario 1403 01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:08,239 Sarch, Alfred Peyton two seconds and technically two first, one of which is 1404 01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:12,520 already gone to get Eric Gordon and Kenris Williams and they're giving up Cat. 1405 01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:17,399 Yeah, definitely, I like it for really all three teams, Like okay, 1406 01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,439 see might be the one. I love the game. I know they 1407 01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:25,319 don't need more picks, but you know it's number thirty. It's I'm just 1408 01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:27,800 gonna go out on a limb and say it's not going to be number thirty 1409 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,159 in twenty twenty four, right right right, and like you know, get 1410 01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:34,159 it, okay See getting Jalen Smith doesn't do anything for them because the Sun's 1411 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:40,039 turned down his team options, so like that limits however much okay see can 1412 01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:44,720 offer him, uh this summer with an exception. But again, like okay 1413 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,880 se could also be way under the way under the cap, So maybe that's 1414 01:34:49,039 --> 01:34:53,079 not issue. And honestly, I don't know that Jalen Smith is getting. 1415 01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,920 It's like around five million. I want to say it's like four four seven 1416 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,199 or yeah it was, it's right, Like I don't know if there's going 1417 01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:03,479 to be a team out there that offers him that much anyway, So it 1418 01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,880 might be a non issue, and maybe they can keep him for cheap, 1419 01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,439 even it's on a one year deal, and yeah, if he wants to 1420 01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,880 bet, like if he's guaranteed playing time because their front court is like they 1421 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,239 need a long term center. I like John Ryan Robinson earl, and they've 1422 01:35:16,279 --> 01:35:20,000 been very creative with him, but like they don't have like the long term 1423 01:35:20,079 --> 01:35:24,920 big on that rights, right, No, I like I like taking the 1424 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,359 gamble on him, and even if it winds up being someone else, you 1425 01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,680 know, trying to sign him from you this summer, like getting him and 1426 01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:38,279 swapping that twenty twenty two for twenty twenty four only for the price of Kenrick 1427 01:35:38,319 --> 01:35:43,239 Williams. Fine, No no issues there. Phoenix. I love it because 1428 01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,279 again, like why not go all in this year? You're already so close. 1429 01:35:46,319 --> 01:35:50,199 You were two games for winning the finals last year. You're arguable for 1430 01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:55,079 them too. He's my That's my favorite Eric Gordon destination. Just the rim 1431 01:35:55,119 --> 01:35:58,479 pressure of the shooting. I think you could play him with both CP three 1432 01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,640 and Devin Booker in playoff games even just like his not like this crazy good 1433 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,840 ball handler, but he can navigate traffic and his assists are out this year 1434 01:36:05,119 --> 01:36:10,359 and Houston. He's not like surrounded by all these shop makers. So I 1435 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:14,560 love him. He's my. That is my favorite Eric Gordon destination is Phoenix. 1436 01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:16,880 Even though the you know, if you if you start dealing in straight 1437 01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,520 up terms, are you willing to give up your twenty twenty four pick just 1438 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:27,000 for Eric Gordon and then just the salary like step laddering that needs to get 1439 01:36:27,079 --> 01:36:30,600 there because he's like just out of range of Jalen Smith and Dario Starch working 1440 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,560 because of Phoenix has all that flexibility to me, the attacks, but you 1441 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,439 still need to include a third player and then so that gets iffy. But 1442 01:36:38,039 --> 01:36:42,239 he Phoenix is my favorite Eric Gordon destination and that, like ken Rich Williams 1443 01:36:42,279 --> 01:36:44,880 too, would be a really nice fit though, Like if you can trot 1444 01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:49,800 out a starting five of CP three book Michael Bridges, Jay Crowder DeAndre Ayton, 1445 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:56,399 and now you're bringing Eric Gordon, ken Rich Williams, Bismack Biambo who 1446 01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:02,399 has suddenly been resuscitated, you still got yeah, JaVale McGee, sure, 1447 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,640 and you still got campaign there as well, like you get that's how are 1448 01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:11,239 they not the title favorite with that depth chart, with that rotation. I 1449 01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:14,840 mean, I think they are honestly should be already. Oh and Camera Johnson 1450 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,600 too, I forgot about him, Like that's a legit ten man, eleven 1451 01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:23,079 man. If you want to include McGee and Byambo, like yeah, I 1452 01:37:23,159 --> 01:37:26,840 mean I would bet pretty heavily on them to win the title this year with 1453 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,760 that group. So again I understand the risk of with the twenty twenty four 1454 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,439 pick, but like a certain point, you know, Chris Paul's not getting 1455 01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:39,600 that younger. The what's interesting too is that you could I don't know now 1456 01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,880 that you have Byambo and Javanne McGee, not to mention Frank Kamiskey, but 1457 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,920 like Kerick s Falliams could do like the Tory Craig thing where he was in 1458 01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:53,359 like the five for Sports last year. What I do wonder is your closing 1459 01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:59,960 lineup in most games is just basically set. So but I would say you 1460 01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:04,199 have four locks no matter what in eight Chris, Paul Booker and Bridges and 1461 01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:09,000 so are you going to allocate so much money to Eric Gordon where there could 1462 01:38:09,039 --> 01:38:12,840 be some instances where it makes sense to play him instead of Jay Crowder, 1463 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,800 But then you have Jay Crowder and even Camra Johnson's on the bench in closing 1464 01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,359 time all of a sudden, which is going to happen quite a bit anyway. 1465 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,520 If you think they're scenarios where deandreat and can't close games, which I 1466 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:30,319 would, I don't think there really are. Find one for me. Maybe 1467 01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,520 that element comes into play where it's okay, so Eric Gordon is just not 1468 01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,600 guaranteed to be part of our closing lineup, or we don't think Jay Crowder 1469 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:41,560 is so. But just right now, like having the optionality knowing that all 1470 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:45,520 these injuries and absences have just cropped up too. Also, Eric Gordon's kind 1471 01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,479 of a nice hedge of Chris Paul breaks down. He's played in every game 1472 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:55,119 this season. I think so, But that's just just something food for thought 1473 01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:57,119 there. And look, Eric Gordon has always wanted to go to Phoenix. 1474 01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:00,239 Let's get him there anyway. At this point, yeah, exactly, this 1475 01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,600 is my final trade. I know we've gone through a bunch of mine. 1476 01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:09,560 But Montres Harrold came out and said that basically it's the mood in Washington sucks, 1477 01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:14,640 so I can't. Montress was one of the like he's a good player, 1478 01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:16,560 but it's so hard to find fits. And so I'm thinking at this 1479 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,560 point, whatever Washington wants to do with Brad, they'd be able moving forward. 1480 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,279 You probably want to get off Spencer did what he's deal at this point, 1481 01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,720 So I have Tres and Din what he going to Toronto for dragats expiring 1482 01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,319 contract, prescious A Chua and Malakai Flynn. The issue with this is Toronto 1483 01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:36,520 is over the tax It's a little over two million, So they then have 1484 01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:41,079 to look at other deals. Where are you getting off ken Birch. The 1485 01:39:41,159 --> 01:39:44,640 other thing I proposed is what if you're Washington, would you consider taking ken 1486 01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:47,119 Birch instead of pressures to Chua, because then that tax stuff is a non 1487 01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:54,760 issue. Yeah, like in terms of value of what Toronto is sending out 1488 01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,239 and getting back, like they're getting the better end of this deal. But 1489 01:39:58,399 --> 01:40:02,920 I just don't know if I love the Dinwitty fit there in particular, he's 1490 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,119 like very you you. He comes off, plays on the bench, but 1491 01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:12,800 you are never like tethering him to like he can't play with Pascal Siakam and 1492 01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,000 Scottie Barnes and Nolity like that can't like those two at the same time, 1493 01:40:15,039 --> 01:40:17,720 I can't happen, right, Yeah, I guess, like and yeah, 1494 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:24,159 I mean giving them a more reliable backup ball handlers, but you're paying eighteen 1495 01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:27,960 million a year for that, like I and that Montres is expiring. Like 1496 01:40:28,039 --> 01:40:30,439 again, love love what he brings to the table, but is he there 1497 01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:35,319 long term? Well yeah, and it's so it's and Washington is like I 1498 01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:40,399 like it for Washington a sense, you're using Harold to get off of Dinwitodi's 1499 01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:44,600 contract, which is not the cost opportunity there isn't big for Toronto. Like 1500 01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:48,640 there is only one year guaranteed on like fully guarantee left on Dinwoody's steal and 1501 01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,680 so if it doesn't work out, it's a short lived mistake. And I 1502 01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:56,000 do think in the intern, like Harold, this isn't a team that puts 1503 01:40:56,039 --> 01:40:58,760 a ton of pressure on the rim. That is full court, half court. 1504 01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,640 That is what Montrese Harold does if he has enough room to rampage down 1505 01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:05,640 the lane. So I like that fit the idea. I just it's hard 1506 01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:11,359 to work it with these two players and keep Toronto under the tacks unless Washington's 1507 01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:15,600 willing to take Ken Birch, who was guaranteed like thirteen million dollars over the 1508 01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,600 next two years. Basically, yeah, I mean like Dinwitty is only partially 1509 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:24,119 guaranteed, but it's ten million guaranteed. It's not you know, like a 1510 01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:29,720 of the type thing where it's like you know, a barynment or Daniela Gallanari, 1511 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,680 Like it's still a pretty hefty chunk. So you know, it's ten 1512 01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:38,600 million guaranteed on eighteen point eight for the twenty three twenty fourth season, So 1513 01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,159 like at that point it's almost a sun cost. You might as well just 1514 01:41:41,239 --> 01:41:44,560 keep him around for the other eight point eight all the more reason for Washington 1515 01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:45,840 US Harold to get off of him. But yeah, did what He's not 1516 01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,760 had a season where make that no brainer? Let's dive in. We've already 1517 01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:53,319 done I think too listener trades throughout this, But let's go through these really 1518 01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:57,039 quickly. This might be my favorite one because it feels like just a no 1519 01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:02,560 brainer. But Kyle proposed Chicago gets Tory Craig, Indiana gets Troy Brown Junior 1520 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:08,640 in the second round pick. I'm just gonna channel my podcast co host Martin 1521 01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:14,039 Jensen and say hard, Yes, he's been also pitching that exact framework really 1522 01:42:14,079 --> 01:42:15,800 similar. Yeah, yeah, he's super in on that. So yes, 1523 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:21,159 yes for honestly both sides. Why not for indeed, it's you get off 1524 01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:25,640 of the I'm assuming Tory Craig's money's gonna stay on your books through next year, 1525 01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:27,680 or do you have a player option that I just assume he's going to 1526 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:32,479 pick up because it's at where is he? Oh, it's guaranteed at five 1527 01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,239 point one million, but that second round pick, they can't get it until 1528 01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:40,199 two and twenty six, So it's like that's distant enough to maybe the Bulls 1529 01:42:40,199 --> 01:42:43,039 are bad again, and that's a very high second round pick. So yeah, 1530 01:42:43,079 --> 01:42:45,319 I love that one just because it just felt like very apropos of this 1531 01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:48,760 podcast specifically and apparently yours as well. Look at that. Yeah, yeah, 1532 01:42:49,399 --> 01:42:53,119 trade three and I have two from this person. But we'll get to 1533 01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:54,960 that one. I think it's one of the last one I listened. But 1534 01:42:55,079 --> 01:43:00,479 Braden proposed the Hornets get Derek Jones Junior and Troy Brown Junior, Chicago gets 1535 01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:05,239 Marcus Morris, and La gets Kelly Ubra Jr. He wrote, Hornets get 1536 01:43:05,279 --> 01:43:09,720 two defenders, both expirings if they don't want to pay Ubrey after next season. 1537 01:43:10,119 --> 01:43:13,439 Bulls get a solid three four five with good team defense and shooting. 1538 01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:18,760 And I get my boy Kelly Ubre on the Clippers. I like it for 1539 01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,800 the Bulls and the Clippers. I do not like it for the Harnets. 1540 01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:24,960 Yeah, I didn't get it for Charlotte. There needs to be some sort 1541 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:30,680 of if Charlotte's getting the Portland's first as part of this, that gets interesting 1542 01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,520 because maybe you weren't. I mean, Kelly brid Junior has been good for 1543 01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,680 them and they don't have to pay him next year, which is why they 1544 01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:41,199 have all the leverage year. His salary is fully not guarant when it was 1545 01:43:41,239 --> 01:43:45,800 five million guaranteed. So maybe I don't know. Maybe they like the idea 1546 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:47,600 of getting off that money and having an extra first round pick in the clip. 1547 01:43:48,399 --> 01:43:53,039 I guess so, But I mean, again, what are they gonna 1548 01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:58,560 do with it when you've got you know, Hayward Roger already at fifty million? 1549 01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:01,279 I like, I don't know. Maybe that gets them under or slightly 1550 01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,720 under, but I don't think it would get them like so far meaningfully under 1551 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:10,600 the the cap. They'd be able to get a free agent, and like, 1552 01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:15,680 you know, I just think they are, especially with LaMelo being this 1553 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,920 good and having to make a decision on Miles Bridges, I don't think you 1554 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:23,399 want to take minutes away from him if that's a real risk with either of 1555 01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:26,680 the guys that would be coming in here. Yeah, I think it would 1556 01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:32,520 need some sort of draft compensation, ideally something earlier than that Blazer's pick, 1557 01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,239 just because again, who knows when it's going to convey. At this point, 1558 01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:44,159 Joshua has the Clippers getting Goren Drag and Malachi Flynn, the Raptors get 1559 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:48,640 Abaka and Luke Kenard. Joshua also said, and then throwing second round picks 1560 01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:54,239 going to the Clippers. My initial reaction is, is it the Clippers are 1561 01:44:54,319 --> 01:44:56,800 the ones here that need picks? I guess it depends on how you feel 1562 01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:00,359 about Luke Lukenard actually probably helped the Raptors a deal, but he's not like 1563 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:05,119 the ball handler off the bench that you necessarily want. Yeah, and does 1564 01:45:05,159 --> 01:45:09,279 this send them? I would guess this would put them into the tax as 1565 01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:15,279 well? Right, I thought the salaries were pretty similar Abaka's nine like ten 1566 01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:19,439 and New Canards thirteen. That's twenty three. Dragics is what eighteen? So 1567 01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:23,680 yeah, puts the Raptors into the tax, so you would need to I'm 1568 01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,000 sure we could get the Clippers to take on, like yeah, yeah, 1569 01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:30,840 they need a big Maybe Ken Birch works in LA, that's true, Like 1570 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:33,920 yeah, I mean if if there's another move lined up that the Raptors could 1571 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:38,800 stay out of the tax, like I sure, I like it for the 1572 01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:45,800 Raptors in terms of yeah, in terms of like who they're getting back and 1573 01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:50,560 yeah, sure, like Chris Bouche because Nick Nick nurse him so but he's 1574 01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,319 been so good, Lady, Chris Bouche is my heartbeat. I don't think 1575 01:45:54,319 --> 01:45:58,640 you would know he's very good, but telling Nick Nurse to actually play him 1576 01:45:59,159 --> 01:46:00,920 if you promised me that the Clippers resigned him so he gets a chance to 1577 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:09,039 play with Norm Kauai and Paul George like when they're all healthy. Also, 1578 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:13,760 it's kind of sad though, I guess you'd have one of the championship members 1579 01:46:14,119 --> 01:46:17,079 from the Raptors team going back to Toronto, but you still have another one 1580 01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:26,079 in Chris Bouchet going to the Clippers who are just collecting twenty nineteen players trying 1581 01:46:26,079 --> 01:46:30,640 to run it back. This came from I meant to put this lower in 1582 01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,359 case you couldn't get to it, but they didn't offer any framework. Al 1583 01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:39,880 Alvarro asked or said PJ. Washington to Miami. The only construction that I 1584 01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:44,840 could even begin to think about is Kasiak Paula and not either Gabe Vincent or 1585 01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:48,119 Max Strews plus Miami's twenty twenty five first round pick. I have it his 1586 01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:53,560 top three protected. I still don't know why Charlotte is doing that, because 1587 01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,039 they're trying to win now. I also don't know when PJ. Tucker is 1588 01:46:57,039 --> 01:46:59,479 playing so well and you have them at a baio. I don't necessarily know 1589 01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,399 why you. I get that the he can maybe use another big but I 1590 01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:06,000 don't know that if you're giving up your twenty twenty five first, I don't 1591 01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:11,119 know that I want PJ. Washington back, Yeah, especially because he's up 1592 01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:13,960 for an extension after this year, and like you're at seven, has played 1593 01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,000 well for them as well, So I yeah, I probably wouldn't do this 1594 01:47:17,239 --> 01:47:21,880 from either side. Honestly, what do you mean would you do Duncan Robinson? 1595 01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:28,359 And that first for Christian would there was a report that always interesting Christian 1596 01:47:28,399 --> 01:47:34,880 would Yeah, my Duncan Robinson idea was him for Dylan Brooks, And I 1597 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:40,359 think both teams like recoil as soon as you say it, but then you 1598 01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,720 can like think it through and it actually might make sense for both sides. 1599 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:48,800 So I think Duncan Robinson is expendable given the leap that Tyler Hero has made 1600 01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:54,439 and given how good Vincent heads Drew's have been, And like, I don't, 1601 01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,800 are we sure that Duncan Robinson is in the closing lineup when you have 1602 01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,439 like I think Lowry, Butler Bam obviously are locked in there. I think 1603 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,960 Hero would be at this point. So it comes down to Tucker and Robinson, 1604 01:48:06,319 --> 01:48:12,960 And I think, given you know how much of a liability Robinson is 1605 01:48:13,079 --> 01:48:17,640 defensively, I think Tucker probably has the edge over him. I probably agree. 1606 01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:23,760 I just Donlan Robinson is still a good safety valve, and you lose 1607 01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,560 that element if you have Dylan Brooks. And I'm worried about Miami's half court 1608 01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,279 offense already. And I don't know if Dylan Brooks makes me less worried because 1609 01:48:30,319 --> 01:48:35,119 he will attack off the dribble or makes me more worried because he'll try and 1610 01:48:35,159 --> 01:48:40,199 attack off the dribble. The spacing would be horrible. But I think he's 1611 01:48:40,199 --> 01:48:45,239 also much less of a liability defensively, like if you're I mean, you're 1612 01:48:45,279 --> 01:48:49,920 probably not running Lowry Brooks, Butler, Tucker and Bam at any point because 1613 01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:57,479 of the offensive concerns, But defensively that would be ferocious. Brandon's second trade 1614 01:48:58,039 --> 01:49:02,000 was Boston gets Jalen Brunson, Dwight Powell and Dallas Is twenty twenty two second 1615 01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:08,319 and then Dallas gets Marcus Smart and Bruno Fernando. Boston ducks the tacks. 1616 01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:13,319 And I think this is the what it comes down to. How does Boston 1617 01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:15,840 view the four year seventy seven plus million dollars extension they gave to Marcus Smart, 1618 01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,520 which kicks in next year. And if you're Dallas, let's say Boston 1619 01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,600 doesn't want to pay him that money. Why do you want to pay him 1620 01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:27,439 that money when your defense has already been good and he hurts your shock creation? 1621 01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:31,680 But if you're worried about paying Brunson, who's a smaller guard between fifteen 1622 01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:35,880 and eighteen million and his next deal, I thought about this one way more 1623 01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,880 than I thought I was going to. I don't know who says no, 1624 01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:44,039 but I do think there's a chance that it makes sense for both, Like 1625 01:49:44,199 --> 01:49:46,199 Jalen Brunson and Boston actually makes a ton of sense on his next deal. 1626 01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:51,119 If they decide we'd rather pay him than Marcus Smart, I would still argue 1627 01:49:51,159 --> 01:49:56,960 Marcus Smart is more of a proven commodity, though, Yeah, I mean, 1628 01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,119 I think it all comes down to how much you expect Jalen Brownson to 1629 01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:03,119 get this summer, And a large part of that is again, like very 1630 01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:06,920 few teams have calf space, so he can he can want a four year, 1631 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,600 eighty million dollars deal, but like Dennis Shrewder wanted a four year one 1632 01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,560 hundred million dollars deal last year and settled for one year and five point nine 1633 01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,520 million. And I'm not saying Brunson is going to be that screwed, like 1634 01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:25,680 I think some team, some smart team will go after him. But yeah, 1635 01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:30,640 I mean, I think there's a pretty decent chance that he's either right 1636 01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:34,720 around that smart extension or a little bit less. And I'm with you. 1637 01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:43,720 I think Boston probably says no here, but they maybe shouldn't, right, 1638 01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:47,800 And I'm thinking Dallas wouldn't say no, but probably should Yeah, yeah, 1639 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,840 yeah, I agree. But that wasn't that like kind of a cool thinker 1640 01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:55,560 one. I was just waking out and I was like, WHOA. So 1641 01:50:55,880 --> 01:51:00,920 I appreciated that one. J G has Brooklyn getting Joyn McDaniel in two seconds 1642 01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:05,239 from Charlotte and the Hornet's getting Nick Claxton. I will say, I like 1643 01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:11,560 the idea of the Hornets angling for a cheaper upgrade or flyer at center because 1644 01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,479 everyone's been on the oh Christian Wood or Miles Turn or even can they get 1645 01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,159 Yaka Purtle. This team is good, but they're not like let's continue to 1646 01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:24,560 mortgage our future good just yet. And the nets of Nick Claxton's health has 1647 01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:27,840 been all over the place. Their big man rotation specifically has been all over 1648 01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,920 the place. Nick Claxton has headed towards free agency as well. You could 1649 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:34,960 bet on him getting squeezed in the market, but you're a Nets team that's 1650 01:51:35,079 --> 01:51:40,039 gonna be eons into the tax even if you trade James Harten to Philadelphia. 1651 01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:44,720 So I'm curious as to what the cost would be for Nick Claxton. I 1652 01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:48,960 don't think you're getting a first for him, so would you do two seconds 1653 01:51:49,039 --> 01:51:53,079 and just you know, sort of a flyer on like this gentle mcdown's has 1654 01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:58,000 some nice moments over the past two years, and when you have Darren Sharp 1655 01:51:58,079 --> 01:52:00,800 again, him and Clackson are very different players. But if you're not going 1656 01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,399 to pay Clackston this summer, I don't think this is an outlandish return. 1657 01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:09,319 No, I think it's a pretty reasonable in terms of value. But I 1658 01:52:10,359 --> 01:52:14,159 think it all comes down to how the Nets a what they do with Harden, 1659 01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:18,079 but be like how they evaluate their own title chances this year, because 1660 01:52:18,119 --> 01:52:24,760 if they think like I think Claxton would just by virtue of familiarity alone, 1661 01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:29,800 but also the defensive versatility, he would project to be more of a factor 1662 01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:34,399 in a title run this year than McDaniels would, so, like, you 1663 01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:39,760 know, sure they need to replenish their stash after trading everything for Harden. 1664 01:52:40,399 --> 01:52:45,520 But yeah, maybe you could just bet on Flaxton getting squeezed this summer, 1665 01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,640 or like signing and trading him for something like with this deal or a similar 1666 01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:55,279 deal not beyond the table in free agency. If you agree not to match, 1667 01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:59,640 that's a good point, I think. I think Brooklyn says no in 1668 01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,039 the end, would be my gut feeling. Last couple here, This one 1669 01:53:02,119 --> 01:53:06,319 comes from Tie and he says, this one comes from reports saying the Bulls 1670 01:53:06,359 --> 01:53:10,840 are interested in Yacca Peardle, while the Spurs would require a first and a 1671 01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:15,880 quality player in return. He has the Bulls getting pardon my misspelling, if 1672 01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:20,319 you're reading this document, Brian Jacca Peardle and the Spurs getting Patrick Williams and 1673 01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:27,960 that Portland's first round pick. I think that's too rich for Yacca Peardle. 1674 01:53:28,039 --> 01:53:31,520 And I love Yacca Peurdle, but especially when you're already have vouch. I 1675 01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,479 know Yacca Peardle is going to give you an upgrade as a rim protector, 1676 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:40,319 but if you're burning both of those, you need to be addressing like the 1677 01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:45,119 like the bigger wing void before the before the backup big Voyd. Yeah, 1678 01:53:45,279 --> 01:53:49,159 I think the popular framework is like Williams plus you know, Derek Jones or 1679 01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:54,600 whatever expirings you need for a Harrison Barnes. I think would be more where 1680 01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,920 I'd be looking if I'm trying to flip, If I'm willing to flip Williams 1681 01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:01,800 and that first in particular, I'm looking for someone like that said, if 1682 01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:08,359 the Spurs are okay getting just a pick for are you doing Derrik Jones Junior 1683 01:54:08,399 --> 01:54:11,560 and that pick for Yaka Peardle or is that just like why are we burning 1684 01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:15,199 this first round? You would? I'd probably do that for Chicago. I 1685 01:54:15,239 --> 01:54:17,399 don't know if I honestly don't know if the Spurs would, I wouldn't do 1686 01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:20,119 it if I was Chicago. Well, it's just like how many minutes is 1687 01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:24,159 Yaka Peardle playing? If you have vouch on your roster? But like, 1688 01:54:24,359 --> 01:54:27,000 are you sure he's going to be Well, I guess Yakom's only on your 1689 01:54:27,039 --> 01:54:30,279 contract for one more season as well? Heah, he makes enough money to 1690 01:54:30,319 --> 01:54:33,439 where you say, if he's a backup big fine, But right, if 1691 01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:38,039 they make this trade, it's because they really don't have any faith in VOUCH 1692 01:54:38,279 --> 01:54:41,960 come playoff time, and Woosh had been playing better lately on offense. But 1693 01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,039 I still wouldn't do it just because I think you need to. Like you 1694 01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:47,239 mentioned Harrison Barnes, is it Jeremy Grant or as we already went through, 1695 01:54:47,319 --> 01:54:51,119 is it Josh Richardson or I don't even remember the other trade Marcus Morris like 1696 01:54:51,279 --> 01:54:56,800 someone, And I'm not giving up Patrick Williams for Josh Richardson or Marcus Morris. 1697 01:54:57,039 --> 01:55:00,039 I probably wouldn't even give him up for Harrison Arnes or Jeremy Grant, 1698 01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:04,920 but that might say more about me anyway. Last two here, This one 1699 01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:09,039 isn't exactly a deal, but Hendrick said, Miles Turner to the Bucks. 1700 01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:14,239 The best package I could theoretically think of is the Bucks doing something like Brolo, 1701 01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:18,920 Dante DiVincenzo, Pat Connaughton and then seconds And I can't imagine that even 1702 01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:24,239 gets Indiana thinking, Also, we're just if we're the Bucks, we're trading 1703 01:55:24,279 --> 01:55:28,800 one injured center for another injured center. That was my other guest. If 1704 01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,880 he was coming, it seems like there might be a better chance of Turner 1705 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:35,359 coming back this season. Then Brook lopets though. Yeah, yeah, I 1706 01:55:35,399 --> 01:55:41,199 mean I know Ty Windish has been like is a pruder filming all of these 1707 01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,800 books coming out? Like Brook Lopez was shooting threes the other day, so 1708 01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:50,399 yeah, I mean I without knowing the health status of who was more likely 1709 01:55:50,479 --> 01:55:56,720 to come back, I don't think that gets Indianna's attention. And it feels 1710 01:55:56,760 --> 01:56:00,199 like too much for the Bucks to give up, Like I would just unless 1711 01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:03,439 they know for sure that Lopez is not coming back this year, I would 1712 01:56:03,479 --> 01:56:08,239 look to address that void. Well, I mean they just got Greg Monroe 1713 01:56:08,319 --> 01:56:13,800 back, right, Maybe that's the answer, related it's probably not the answer. 1714 01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,479 Yeah, yeah, the sixers, the twenty nineteen six ers can vouch. 1715 01:56:17,039 --> 01:56:20,319 So here is something I thought of, though it was a hypothetical Bucks 1716 01:56:20,359 --> 01:56:26,359 trade. I didn't write it down. Dante DiVincenzo, Pat Connaughton and if 1717 01:56:26,399 --> 01:56:30,600 their needs to be seconds going back for Larry Nance Jr. Oh yeah, 1718 01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:39,359 I'd be in on that for Milwaukee. What about Portland? I mean again, 1719 01:56:39,399 --> 01:56:42,760 it comes down to like what's your long term plan here? Like are 1720 01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:45,640 you? It probably makes more sense to like, would someone give Portland's something 1721 01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:49,479 for Dante Devincenzo because they have Simon's McCollum and Lillard. As of now, 1722 01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:55,199 the actual value of the trade I don't think is way off. Yeah for 1723 01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:59,119 Larry nance Jr. But I don't know who would be like, oh yeah, 1724 01:56:59,159 --> 01:57:01,920 we'll give We'll take one. I mean, Sacramento seemed enamored with Dante 1725 01:57:02,039 --> 01:57:06,880 Devincenzo in the past, so can they send something to That was just the 1726 01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,000 framework I had in mind. I'm going to think about that one a little 1727 01:57:10,039 --> 01:57:13,600 bit more though, and like, but yeah, so I guess you're gonna 1728 01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,119 be fun on the Bucks though. It was like a PJ. Tucker type 1729 01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:18,279 of placement, super different, but like can be used in sort of the 1730 01:57:18,319 --> 01:57:25,359 same capacity. Yeah, Devincenzo for Daniel Tys was my like how do we 1731 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:30,479 fill the Brolo void idea? And it feels like probably pretty good value for 1732 01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:34,159 the Rockets. Feels like very good value for the Rockets, But like, 1733 01:57:34,279 --> 01:57:40,199 are they are the Bucks gonna resign the Vincenzo. I would rather resign him, 1734 01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:43,920 maybe try to look at sign and trades or moving him later that I'm 1735 01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:46,039 taking on Tights, like it can just can we fold Jay Shawn Tate into 1736 01:57:46,079 --> 01:57:54,039 that deal maybe where it's Tyson Tate for Devincenzo and Conat I would have to 1737 01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:58,359 run the I know Devincenzo for tics either works or like close to working. 1738 01:57:59,399 --> 01:58:03,000 I think it works. Spent very little amount of money, so but I 1739 01:58:03,079 --> 01:58:08,239 guess Contenton has been he plays a lot for the bucks, right, I 1740 01:58:08,359 --> 01:58:11,960 know. Yeah, that's why he hesitant to give him up just in general. 1741 01:58:14,359 --> 01:58:19,680 Let's see he the five point three. Yeah, that would probably get 1742 01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:23,439 that. Yeah, that should work. That's a ten million in salaries, 1743 01:58:23,479 --> 01:58:29,079 so they could take back up to twelve point six. Yeah, so yeah, 1744 01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:30,920 I mean that'd be something I definitely would not give up to even Shens 1745 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:34,079 over just Tice though, like if or, I wouldn't do that package for 1746 01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:38,479 just Tice. Rather, this is the final one. I almost didn't include 1747 01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:43,600 it because it's never gonna happen, but that's fun. Yeah, Bronco Henry's 1748 01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:48,560 leather pants. Denver gets Damian Lillard and Larry Nance Junior, Portland gets Jamal 1749 01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:54,119 Murray and Michael Porter Jr. Bronco Henry's pants added, and you need to 1750 01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:59,039 send him Michael Green to a third team. So naturally I sent Jamichael Green 1751 01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:03,439 to Okay. See for Denverse twenty twenty four and twenty twenty six seconds. 1752 01:59:03,479 --> 01:59:06,560 So okay, So he is getting two seconds to take on to Michael Green, 1753 01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:12,359 who I would be flat out shocked if he just does not pick up 1754 01:59:12,399 --> 01:59:15,439 his eight point two million dollars player officers. So that's why you're giving up 1755 01:59:15,479 --> 01:59:18,359 two distant seconds because he has another year left on his deal. Yeah, 1756 01:59:18,359 --> 01:59:23,159 I mean this comes down to how much faith you have in Michael Porter Junior 1757 01:59:23,479 --> 01:59:30,760 and his recovery from his back, because like regardless, this trade increases the 1758 01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:35,000 Nuggets title odds this year for Shan possibly next year if you're not sure that 1759 01:59:35,159 --> 01:59:41,119 Porter comes back, but it does close their window much more quickly, I 1760 01:59:41,159 --> 01:59:44,560 would argue because I think Nance is under contract for one more year, and 1761 01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:47,760 like Yokich quietly, is only under contract for one more year after this one, 1762 01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:55,680 I believe. So you know, does he look at that after twenty 1763 01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,640 three and it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna go on, get right out at 1764 02:00:00,039 --> 02:00:01,399 out at Denver, like I'm gonna go look, you know, maybe he 1765 02:00:01,439 --> 02:00:05,600 goes for a reunion with Karna Chops in Chicago or something like that. So 1766 02:00:08,439 --> 02:00:15,279 I lean no for Denver. If there's a decent, too good chance at 1767 02:00:15,319 --> 02:00:18,119 Michael Porter is fine in the long run, just because I think that gives 1768 02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:25,319 you more of a runaway, like your title window is open for more years. 1769 02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:30,399 But if you're skeptical of Michael Porter Junior, like, hell yeah, 1770 02:00:30,479 --> 02:00:35,039 do this deal? Sure? I lean know for Portland just because of Michael 1771 02:00:35,039 --> 02:00:38,960 Porter Jr. And how do you tri Let's assume Damian the Lord is available. 1772 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:44,319 Yeah, how do you like to leave a Damian Lord trade without any 1773 02:00:44,399 --> 02:00:47,720 first round picks? Yeah? I don't want to say it's a catastrophe, 1774 02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:51,920 but it's a catastrophe. So even if you could get Denver to include their 1775 02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:57,399 twenty twenty seven first in this, I think they're only doing that because they 1776 02:00:57,439 --> 02:01:00,319 would be incredibly concerned about Michael Porter Junior. And then it's like, okay, 1777 02:01:00,359 --> 02:01:03,039 well, now where we have some we paid Porter Junior, Jamal Murray, 1778 02:01:03,079 --> 02:01:08,000 we're already super expensive. We're paying Simons. Is McCollum going elsewhere? 1779 02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:13,680 I don't think in a nutshell though, that if you are moving Damian Lillard, 1780 02:01:14,399 --> 02:01:17,000 Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Junior, like if they're both healthy, that's 1781 02:01:17,159 --> 02:01:21,359 not like terrible that that is honestly, you're getting two players you're probably better 1782 02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:26,520 than anyone you're gonna draft with any of the picks that you would get from 1783 02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:30,199 someone else. Yeah, Like, I think that is actually great value if 1784 02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:34,600 and it's a big if, if Michael Porter Junior is healthy, if Michael 1785 02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:38,640 So, if Michael Porter Junior is healthy and Damian Lillard's available, you think 1786 02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:43,119 it's the Nuggets who are more likely to say no. Yeah, I would 1787 02:01:43,159 --> 02:01:47,119 think so, just because again, like they you increase your aids this year, 1788 02:01:47,399 --> 02:01:51,039 but I don't even know, like do they increase their ads next year? 1789 02:01:51,079 --> 02:01:56,479 This feels like a potentially a break even move after this year and then 1790 02:01:57,359 --> 02:02:00,760 with the like Dame's age plus the risk of naps walking in twenty three, 1791 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:05,159 Like, I think they'd rather just I think they have reason to feel good 1792 02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:11,880 about Murray Porter Yokichen Aaron Gordon Court. We saw it very briefly last year 1793 02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:15,720 and it looked great. Yeah, I think I'm with you. I find 1794 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,199 it more interesting because even in the ideal scenario of Michael Porter Junior's health, 1795 02:02:18,640 --> 02:02:21,560 Michael Porter Junior's health is still a problem. So it's like, even if 1796 02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:25,159 we just assume that, like, oh, he's most likely going to be 1797 02:02:25,239 --> 02:02:28,560 okay, the overwhelming evidence has been through the first part of his career that 1798 02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:31,960 he won't be and so yeah, but that was just a fun one to 1799 02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,920 do, Brian, Thank you so much for sticking with me for this entire 1800 02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:39,520 one. Thank you everyone for their fake trades. If you have any fake 1801 02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:42,439 trades that you need to get off your chest before you skidato feel free. 1802 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:45,199 But otherwise that you were able to tell our listeners where they can find you 1803 02:02:45,319 --> 02:02:47,479 and all the awesome work that you do. Yeah, you can find me 1804 02:02:48,279 --> 02:02:53,640 at four Sports. Have been writing a time there in recent days about all 1805 02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:57,760 the Sixers, hard and stuff, so plenty more to come this week on 1806 02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:00,720 that front, I'm sure you can. And my podcast, the NBA Podcast 1807 02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:04,840 wherever podcasts are found, Dan, thank you again for having me on. 1808 02:03:05,039 --> 02:03:09,479 Hopefully, hopefully we have a Ben Simmons trade to discuss this week at some 1809 02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:14,439 point. That's the coming three times in like a two and a half week 1810 02:03:14,479 --> 02:03:17,560 span. If Ben Simmons gets traded, and I'm down if it means not 1811 02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:19,560 having to deal with this for five more months,