WEBVTT

1
00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.679
Thirty five after the hour. Welcome
out of Friday. I hope you got

2
00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:20.440
plans for the weekend and we'll enjoy
it as well. Always enjoy the conversation

3
00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:25.679
we have with Great Campy on one
of the most accomplished coaches in his division

4
00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:30.640
one tenure forty years at Oakland University. What a ride it has been.

5
00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:35.079
And he gets a contract extension and
deservedly so. He joins us here on

6
00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:39.600
exus and Bros. Coach, hope
you and your family are well. Congratulations

7
00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.520
you are the longest tenured coach.
You've done it for forty years. Why

8
00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:49.399
do you keep doing it? That's
another question, Matt, especially you know,

9
00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.359
in this day and age with you
know, the way things are changing

10
00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:58.439
so much, and those of the
people in my generation you know, are

11
00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:02.640
moving on to do something now.
And it's funny, is because when I

12
00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:04.719
talk to is So, I think
we start every conversation with why we're still

13
00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:07.879
doing this, you know, And
the truth of the matter is, man,

14
00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:11.200
I don't know what else I would
do. I'm going. I love

15
00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.799
it. It's still no matter how
it changes, no matter you know you

16
00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.000
hear of doomsday coming and all that
kind of stuff. I still get to

17
00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:22.799
be around eighteen to twenty two year
old young men, you know, every

18
00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.959
day and having a part of their
lives and being able to help shape their

19
00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.680
lives. Whether they're only with me
for a year and now or they're with

20
00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.439
me for four it's still something that
I kind of enjoy and revel in.

21
00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.920
Yeah, but you could retire.
Are you one of those guys who just

22
00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.239
can't sit still and you need to
do something? Or is it just because

23
00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:47.879
of the intoxication you get from coaching
basketball and make a difference in young people's

24
00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:52.120
lives, both on the floor and
off it. I like that word intoxicating

25
00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.599
it because it's probably what it is. Yeah, you know it's Yeah.

26
00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.120
I don't know what else I would
do, really, man. I have

27
00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.120
play golf. I play a lot
of golf, but a lot of that

28
00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:05.439
is because it's like playing hooky.
You know. If I get out there

29
00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:07.920
and play around the golf, I
enjoy it because I know maybe I shouldn't

30
00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:12.280
even be out here. And you
know, if I could play every day

31
00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.879
and not have to worry about anything, I'm not sure I would enjoy it

32
00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.879
as much. So, and then
you know, there's competition has been in

33
00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.240
you know my whole life has been
competition growing up as a kid, as

34
00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.919
a player, and then I got
into coaching right away, and you know,

35
00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:30.960
I'm a very competitive person, and
I think I would really miss that,

36
00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:36.039
you know, I really do.
And I'm sure there will be a

37
00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.599
day that I walk in and say, Okay, I've had enough, But

38
00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:44.039
right now I don't see that day
anywhere near so Khaki Cousins or the Sharf,

39
00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.919
because both are fantastic there at your
school. Yeah, there are very

40
00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:53.199
few golf courses, or very few
institutions at college institutions in this country that

41
00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:58.039
have two golf courses, and there
are value that have ye know, they

42
00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.319
have one good one, let alone
too. So I'm an old school guy.

43
00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:06.520
Though I like Khaki yeah better,
you know. I just I think

44
00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.360
it's a better test of boff I. There's nothing wrong with either. I

45
00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:14.159
mean, they're both top twenty thirty
golf courses in the state of Michigan,

46
00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.680
so it's kind of cool that we
have them on our campus. And yeah,

47
00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:23.400
but I like Khaki the best.
I asked this the other day of

48
00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:27.199
somebody of Jim Leland when he was
on our show, and I said,

49
00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.000
who's the ideal for them? If
you could have any foursome, your three

50
00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:37.319
other golfers obviously to play with,
whether they're alive or dead, and whether

51
00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.360
they're good golfers or not. Who
would be in that forsome for you?

52
00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:46.759
Oh? Wow, jeez? If
that would depend on are we playing for

53
00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.479
money? Are we just playing for
fun? No, you're playing for the

54
00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:57.039
enjoyment of life. Oh okay,
because if we were playing for money,

55
00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.319
i'd want guys with a lot of
money. They were going to get a

56
00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.000
lot of right, right, And
guys who can hit from the whites.

57
00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.599
Yeah. Yeah, you guys go
all the way to the back and let

58
00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:13.360
me come up here. Right.
So well, I mean I'm a religious

59
00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.879
guy, so obviously if Jesus Christ
was alive, that would be that would

60
00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:24.160
be number one of all time,
you know, to have an opportunity to

61
00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.560
do that, that would that would
be I think if I could get him,

62
00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:29.600
it just be me and him.
I wouldn't want to share him with

63
00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.839
anybody else. Well that's a great
answer. Yeah, that's a great answer.

64
00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.199
And you know what the only thing
is, you know, you wonder

65
00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.560
if he would give you the three
foot gimmes. You know, that's good.

66
00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:43.360
He'd probably make you put it in
a great camping joiner is here on

67
00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.240
exus and Bros. What's the biggest
challenge you faced today as a head coach

68
00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.839
compared to maybe not when you first
started, but even just twenty years ago.

69
00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.639
What's the biggest challenge in how do
you deal with it? Well?

70
00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:02.000
I think social media is obviously,
you know, far and away, social

71
00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:08.079
media has changed the world. You
know, it's just not changed. It's

72
00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.279
just not changed sports or athletics or
college basketball football. It's changed the world.

73
00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.680
The amount of disinformation, the amount
of people that feel free to say

74
00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:26.120
whatever they want to say, the
way that our youth and the way people

75
00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:31.920
believe what's on there, and how
we our youth really strives for likes and

76
00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:38.600
follows, And now why wouldn't they
because you're they're being compensated. The more

77
00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.360
people they can get to follow them, the more you know, they can

78
00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.879
be compensated for that. There's all
these influencers out there, and I think

79
00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.199
that's the biggest biggest challenge. You
know, we talk a lot within our

80
00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:55.399
team to you know, keep the
outside noise out, you know, that

81
00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.480
type of stuff, but it's almost
impossible to do today. And it's not

82
00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.519
just college I mean that's what pros
do. As soon as they get back

83
00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.680
to their locker, they're on their
phones to see what's going on and what's

84
00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:10.319
being said about them, which is
really unfortunate. You win the Horizon League

85
00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.720
regular season title a year ago and
the tournament title a year ago. I've

86
00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.560
said this for a long time.
I don't think mid major programs get the

87
00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:26.879
opportunity enough to get enough teams in
for you to have the resume you had

88
00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.600
and win the regular season and then
have to do it again in the tournament

89
00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:40.399
is borderline unfair. What do you
think should change for mid major teams to

90
00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.360
have I don't even want an equal
play necessarily a level playing field, but

91
00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:49.560
a better opportunity to showcase more of
the thrilling moments we get, like when

92
00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:58.199
your team beat Kentucky. Yeah,
that's an age old question. And what

93
00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.040
I tell people, and I think
it's the rises them as our conference tournament

94
00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:08.759
is it is the I don't ever
want to see that goal away because at

95
00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.079
the mid major level, the only
other times you're going to cut nets down

96
00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.120
is if you go to the final
four, and then again if you win

97
00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.639
the championship. You know you don't
cut next we beat Kentucky, we didn't

98
00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.920
cut the nets down. If you
know, we almost beat NC State,

99
00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:25.000
we lost in the LA you know, and overtime, And even if we'd

100
00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.240
won that game, we're going to
the Sweet sixteen. We don't cut the

101
00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:31.920
nets down. And so every conference
tournament ends with you know, the confetti

102
00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:38.680
flying, the team cutting nets down, the you know, you've accomplished something

103
00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.040
so hard that I would hate to
see that go away, and our players

104
00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.560
lose that because the chances of them
cutting the nets down at the national championship

105
00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.759
game aren't probably that that good.
Yeah, it's hard. I mean,

106
00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.639
of the thirty leagues last year,
twenty one of the thirty champions got beat

107
00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:00.639
in their conference tournament. And then, you know, I say this a

108
00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.079
lot. I don't think people really
understand what I'm saying. I think they're

109
00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.800
trying to They look at me as
making an excuse or something like that.

110
00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.959
But you know, Michigan State's got
a string of twenty eight or nine straight

111
00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.000
years going to the nc Tournament something
like that. Correct, Yeah, And

112
00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:24.000
in the last twenty years, since
two thousand and five, the only way

113
00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.800
that Oakland can get to the NCAA
tournament is to win our conference tournament,

114
00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.159
right, we just talked about that. So we've won it four times in

115
00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.840
the last twenty years. The conference
tournament. How many times you think Michigan

116
00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:43.759
State has won the Big Ten conference
tournament most twenty years? The number four,

117
00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:46.039
I was going to say three,
but yeah, okay, yeah,

118
00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:54.279
Michigan has won at three. I
think Western Michigan's won at once, Detroit's

119
00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.200
won at once. Eastern Michigan I
don't think has won it in the last

120
00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:03.039
twenty years. Central Mischigan and maybe
I don't think they have either. So

121
00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:05.679
that's how hard it is to win
that conference tournament, and that's how hard

122
00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:11.519
it is for a mid major to
get to the NCAA tournament. But the

123
00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.559
Power fives, obviously, Mission State's
gone twenty eight years in a row,

124
00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.679
and I'm not belittling that it in
any way, shape or form. I'm

125
00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.000
just I'm just giving honest information out
there. So when we have this conversation,

126
00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:28.240
we realize how hard it is.
But it's also really hard to win

127
00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.519
the regular season, is my point, and it's been my points for a

128
00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.159
long time. I'm not taking anything
away from Power five conferences either, And

129
00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.879
look, I'm a MAC guy.
I'm a mid major guy, so there's

130
00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.159
there might be some bias. But
when you put together and you're as a

131
00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.840
coach, you're telling your guys,
look, every game matters, we want

132
00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.480
to be the one seed, so
on and so forth, and then you

133
00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:56.320
slip up one game compared to the
entire regular season. I think that is

134
00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.679
short changing a mid major team.
I don't have the answer, so I

135
00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:01.960
don't want to be a hypocrite here. I don't necessarily have the answer.

136
00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.320
I just think it's a really tough
challenge for these teams, and I think

137
00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.120
there has to be a different way
of looking at possibly getting them in even

138
00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:16.960
if they happen to stub their toe
in a mid major tournament championship game.

139
00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:22.720
I noticed the whole talk about Danny
Hurley going from Yukon to possibly the Lakers.

140
00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.480
He's interviewing the Lakers today. Eleven
coaches over the last thirty years coach

141
00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:33.519
Campy have jumped from the collegiate game
to the professional level. The winning percentage

142
00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:41.519
combined is forty five percent. Two
men, Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens,

143
00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.559
are the only ones to have winning
records. What do you think is the

144
00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:54.960
biggest issue for college coaches to try
and adapt to the NBA game. I

145
00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:56.799
don't think it's the coaching part of
it, man, I really don't.

146
00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:03.320
I think some of it is problem. You know, when you're in college

147
00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.840
at eighteen to twenty two year old
and you're trying to turn them from you

148
00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.919
know, not children but young adults
into men. And when you get to

149
00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.840
college at the pro level, you
already you've already got men there, I

150
00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:22.159
think, So that's part of it. But the biggest thing is roster construction.

151
00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.919
And in college, I construct my
roster. If I took an NBA,

152
00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.120
I'm not constructing your roster. They
have general managers and presidents and directors

153
00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.919
of operations and all these people are
making millions of dollars and that's their job

154
00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:43.320
to figure out contracts and come up
with the roster. So part of college

155
00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.600
coaching is being obviously having a good
roster. So then the second thing on

156
00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:54.679
that I think is that most pro
coaches take over, and that's why it's

157
00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.360
open. They take over a bad
situation, and it's a lot easier to

158
00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.320
fix a bad situation at the college
level than it is at the NBA level

159
00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.200
through the draft or through however,
you know, trades or however it's being

160
00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.720
done at the NBA level and at
college you have say, you know,

161
00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.080
now, did John Calipari when he
went to the next that he have total

162
00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.240
say? I don't know. I
would guess he didn't. But John Calipark

163
00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.559
can coach now, and so it's
more situational than it is coaching, the

164
00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.279
actual coaching of it. But I
do think there is you know, you're

165
00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.240
not in the college level. Dan
Hurley is king of you con right now.

166
00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.200
All the roster decisions are made by
him. If he says jump,

167
00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.440
everybody in that building says how high
it's you know, all the players if

168
00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.600
they just want to be there,
if they're being paid enough, they just

169
00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.159
want to be there. So,
uh, you know, it's a whole

170
00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.960
different situation when he goes to the
Lakers and he's going to have players that

171
00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.519
you know, believe they should have
a say and everything you've got an owner,

172
00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.720
you've got. So I think it
all has to do with that more

173
00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.559
than it has to do with the
exors o's of coaching. I agree on

174
00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.000
how to persent with it. What
do you like most about your situation at

175
00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.639
Oakland speaking? You have king of
campus what do you like most about your

176
00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.200
situation there? Well, when you've
been at a place as long as I've

177
00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.879
been, you know, everybody right
and now there's turnover and everything. But

178
00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.720
you know, you walk into a
building and a guy that's sweeping the floor

179
00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.440
comes over and you have a conversation
with him. You know, he's got

180
00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.519
a son name so and so.
You know you you know, and it's

181
00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:37.480
a we've got twenty thousand students,
but it's a small town atmosphere. You

182
00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.000
know, I'm a small town guy. I grew up in Defiance, Ohio.

183
00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.879
That's how my life always was.
And uh so it just really has

184
00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.840
fit me. Well, you know, I've got I got a group of

185
00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:52.120
friends that you know, I got, I've got you know, a golf

186
00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.519
course is to play, I've got
you know, those are the things that

187
00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.120
I have. A here's a better
way to put it. I have a

188
00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:03.799
great quality of life. And in
this business, and you've been around this

189
00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.759
business, you know, the quality
of life. For the pressure of college

190
00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:13.120
coaching at the level, you know, the highest levels, it really affects

191
00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.879
your quality of life. You know, there's so many you know, pitfalls,

192
00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:22.399
there's so many people you have to
please, there's so many things that

193
00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.279
have to be done that you know, the stress and the pressure of it

194
00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.679
can really get to coaches and you
see them get out and you see a

195
00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.240
lot of coaches get fired because of
that kind of stuff. So I've been

196
00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.320
lucky, you know. I I
love what I do. I have an

197
00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:46.600
unbelievable situation that I live in,
and I've never you know, there's a

198
00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:54.039
song out there. The lyrics was, you know, it's not wanting what

199
00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:58.639
you it's not getting what you want, it's wanting what you've got. And

200
00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.279
I think that I've and somebody that's
just wanted what I have. You've had

201
00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.399
chances to go elsewhere, right plenty
over your forty years. Why did you

202
00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:15.159
ever learn about it? Because it
was never It was never life changing money,

203
00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.480
you know what I'm saying. It
wasn't Michigan at three million a year

204
00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:20.320
or five million a year or whatever
it is, or it makes four million.

205
00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.399
You know, it wasn't a Michigan
or a Michigan state. It wasn't

206
00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.360
a you know, obviously those are
you know that in this where we live,

207
00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.399
those are the two jobs to the
best, you know, ten jobs

208
00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.320
in the country. It wasn't those
places. It wasn't a Kentucky or you

209
00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.879
know, a Power five that you
can go to the National Championship in.

210
00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.200
And I didn't want to chase that. I never wanted to chase it.

211
00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.919
I didn't want to take I wasn't
willing to take the next step like the

212
00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.120
Missouri Valley or you know. I've
been offered, you know, a handful

213
00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:56.840
of jobs like that over the years, and when I looked at them,

214
00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.960
it just wasn't worth to chase.
And you know, probably that's why I've

215
00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.879
not gotten you know, the Tennessee
that. You know, we go to

216
00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:08.559
Tennessee and we beat them. Yeah, they're at seventh in the country.

217
00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:14.960
We beat them, and the coach
leaves and you know, I make a

218
00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.440
phone call there and they say,
yeah, yeah, wow, you're a

219
00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.360
great coach. But you know,
it's just not what we want right now.

220
00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.639
So okay, you know that's fine. I'm lucky. I got what.

221
00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:29.200
I got a good perspective last thing
before I let you go. It's

222
00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:33.679
been enjoyable. I always enjoy it
with you. How much can you use

223
00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:40.840
last year's success toward building quote unquote
momentum for next year or this coming season

224
00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:48.279
and afterwards we're hat. I mean
that ended, and I've had more speaking

225
00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:53.679
engagements, more you know, interviews, more, taking more pictures with people

226
00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.480
came here. I tried at the
draft. You know, of course,

227
00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:02.759
there were seven hundred thousand people there
and they're all they're all sports, you

228
00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:06.000
know, related people, So it's
not like a regular walk through the park

229
00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.960
where somebody has no idea about basketball. Right, it took me over two

230
00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.279
hours to walk from I was.
I did something at the Caucus Club on

231
00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:15.960
one side of town, and I
had to walk to the Detroit Athletic Club,

232
00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.839
which is about a ten minute walk. It took me over two hours

233
00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.000
to get there, just because of
the amount of pictures I had to take

234
00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.839
with people. So we're a hot
commodity right now, and we want to

235
00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.039
keep that going. We want to
build on it. We want to get

236
00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.720
to a Sweet sixteen next year.
We want to get to a Final four.

237
00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.519
That's our goal and that's what we're
trying to do. But the reality

238
00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:40.319
of it is, you know,
every white six foot five shooter in the

239
00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.480
country's calling us and want to come
here because they think they can be Jack

240
00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:48.720
Golkid shoot three hundred threes right right, So when they call, and some

241
00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.000
of them are really really good.
I mean, they're guys that could do

242
00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.720
what Goki did. But when they
find out that we don't have one hundred

243
00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.000
and fifty thousand dollars or two hundred
thousand what they're asking for to come,

244
00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.920
that conversation ends. They're more They're
more interested in the money than the opportunity.

245
00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:10.319
You know, Jack Golkie, no
one knew who he was when the

246
00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:15.440
Kentucky game tipped off. He had
four hundred followers on Instagram, when five

247
00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:21.519
hours after the Kentucky game he had
sixty five thousand followers on Instagram. He's

248
00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:26.440
made a ton of money because what
he did. I can't convince these people

249
00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.119
to make it that way. They
want it up front, they want I'm

250
00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.519
the outcome for one hundred and fifty
thousands. Well, they've got to consider

251
00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.559
you because you're such a great coach. You're a great person. I've always

252
00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.240
appreciated our conversations and our friendships.
I hope you and I can play golf

253
00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.400
sometimes. In the meantime, enjoy
your summer. You've earned a coach.

254
00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.480
Thanks for the time today. Have
a great weekend. I appreciate it.

255
00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:48.519
Appreciate you having me on you bet