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Now one of your pudding. I
got a string going on here, something

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just because my dog. Something killed
your dog, my dog. We're flying

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through the air over the tree.
I don't know how it did it,

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Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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over the fence and he was dead. And once you hit the ground like,

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I didn't see any cars. All
I saw was my dog coming over

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the fence. Sat, what are
you putting? We got some wonder or

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something crawling around out here? Did
you see what it was or was it

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was? Standing enough? I'm out
here looking through the window now and I

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don't see anything. I don't want
to go outside. Jesus Quice, you

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better hello, get the boddy out
here, Boquin, I'm out there.

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I thought of a bitch of about
TIX fort nine. I don't know.

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Easy ann out there. Yeah,
I'm booking right head. I am Brian

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king Sharp. I'm the host of
the sasquatch Otyseee podcast and other podcasts.

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I got into Bigfoot because it was
a childhood thing. I grew up in

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the North Georgia Mountains and I heard
stories from people in my family, people

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around that area that had experienced something
that they couldn't explain with They've called them

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harry Man, Boogers, Sasquatch,
and Bigfoot wasn't really in the nomenclature there

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at the time. I grew up
with those stories and I was very interested

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in cryptid's. A blocknest monster was
something that always fascinated me, and I

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had an experience when I was twelve
that I believe could have been related to

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Sasquatch. Now looking back on it, I think I might have been paste

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out of the woods and bluff charged
by one of these things that sort of

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sparked the interest for me. I
grew up and started a career in law

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enforcement, and you don't really talk
about cryptids. You don't talk about UFOs,

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you don't talk about strange things when
you're a police officers. For about

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sixteen years in law enforcement, I
suppressed that I had a UFO experience with

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my mom when I was sixteen.
We saw a huge craft above us,

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six eight hundred feet away from us. There was no mistaking that it was

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something that wasn't supposed to be there. But you don't talk about those things,

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obviously, is in your law enforcement
career. At least I didn't talk

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about it. So I suppressed that, and then later in life, I

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left law enforcement and took a different
career path, and now I podcast full

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time and do an Encounters show where
I document bigfoot encounters. It's been an

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interesting ride, for sure, but
that's really what started the interest from me

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was hearing those stories as a kid
in the area and then having my own

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experience when I was twelve. Why
don't you tell me in detail the experience

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you had when you were twelve,
I was basically out in the woods.

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We were very poor when I was
growing up, so we didn't own our

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own place, but we rented a
tiny house. The town I lived in

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at the time had literally one stop. It was very tiny, very low

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population, rural area. We had
a lot of fields in the area that

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the guy that owned our house on
those fields. So I had carte blanche

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to go out and just roam this
area, and I did that quite often.

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I fancied myself a little bit of
a squirrel hunter, and I would

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take my little bb gun, my
pellet rifle, whatever I could get my

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hands on and go out and hunt
birds and squirrels and that kind of thing.

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And I did that one summer It
was the summer. I was twelve.

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I think school had just got out. I was out in the woods

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and I'm walking along. I start
hearing these strange sounds that sounded like bipedal

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footsteps, and I got this really
weird feeling that if you document enough sasquatching

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counter stories you hear people talk about
it's that feeling of For me, it

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was the hair standing up on the
back of my neck, the hair was

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standing up on my arms, and
I just got this feeling. I was

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frozen. I felt like I wasn't
supposed to be there. I felt like

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it was time for me to be
somewhere else. But my feet literally would

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not work. I was petrified.
Then I hear these hoofs and these gruffs

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and these growls, and what sounds
like a linebacker's coming maybe twenty feet away

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through the underbrush, in the thick
scrub that I couldn't see through. If

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anybody's been to North Georgia, I
live in North Carolina now, and if

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you've ever been out in the woods
in those areas, you know that,

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especially in the summertime, you can't
see five feet in front of you in

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some places. This thing was literally
on just on the outskirts of my field

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of view, and it sounded just
like in retrospect. I didn't know anything

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about it then, but when I
started doing some research and looking into it,

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it sounded exactly like what you would
imagine a large silver backed gorilla charging

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at somebody through the underbrush in the
North Georgia Mountains. That's what it sounded

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like. I didn't stick around after
that. I was able to overcome the

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fear. Something kicked in my lizard
brain and fight or flight k in and

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it became flight. At that point, I turned around, ran the six

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to eight hundred yards back to the
house. I jumped over the fence and

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landed it in my yard, and
it was okay, I'm safe now.

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I didn't tell anybody. I went
inside. My mom was in the house

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at the time. I didn't tell
anybody what had happened. I didn't know

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what to tell. What do you
say? She was going to tell me

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it was probably a cow or it
was a deer it was so I just

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kept it to myself for the longest
time. I don't think I told my

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mom about that until a couple of
years ago, that I'd had that kind

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of experience. I've never said it's
bigfoot. I never will say it was

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a sasquatch because I didn't see what
did it. It's just the culmination of

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the hundreds of stories that I've now
documented on my show and the people that

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I've talked to that have had similar
experiences. We either experienced exactly the same

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thing that was a completely normal animal, or we experienced something that may have

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been something else, like a sasquatch. We were going through a lot of

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weird stuff in the house. There
was like some demonic activity going on.

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There had been some people who had
lived in the house that were doing some

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demonic seances and things like that going
on in the house, and I was

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experiencing a lot of that as a
kid's hearing voices in the house. It's

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really weird things. My dad was
having experiences that I found out about later

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where he was hearing and experiencing some
of the same things I was experiencing.

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And later on I was a guest
on a show a couple of years ago,

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maybe three years ago now, and
the host of that show was into

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that sort of demonic kind of thing. He said to me, interestingly,

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do you think it could have been
something that maybe followed you out of the

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house. If you believe in that
sort of thing at all, Maybe it

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was this demonic entity that was in
the woods that you experienced in not a

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sasquatch because you didn't see it.
I'm the kind of guy that I've got

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to be open minded to that.
Again, I can't say definitively what it

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was. I know something happened.
I definitely experienced it. It didn't happen

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in my mind. It was a
real thing that happened to me. I

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just don't know what it was.
I say it sasquatch, could have been

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something else. I don't know.
People do talk about entities and beings and

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such following them home, So I
suppose that couldn't happen where you take something

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out in the woods with you and
it does respond. And that's interesting because

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I haven't heard it from that perspective
before. Yeah, that was the first

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time I'd ever even considered that as
an option. I was stunned when he

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said it to me on the show. I didn't really know how to respond.

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My answer was very much like it
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have to consider that as a possibility
because anybody who listens to my show or

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anybody who has seen me speak at
a conference or has met me at a

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conference, they know him very skeptical. I come at this from a very

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Oham's razor sort of approach. I
try to take the most logical explanation for

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whatever's happening, whether it's my own
experiences or the people that I talked to,

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and they share their experiences with me. I filter everything through that same

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lens. Sixteen years as a cop, you's developed those kind of skills and

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it's very difficult to change that.
And I was always that sort of person

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anyway, So the law enforcement training
and experience just drilled that home for me.

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I'm very skeptical when it comes to
anything people say to me all the

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time. You're skeptical to a fault, But I do believe that these things

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exist. I'm just not completely convinced
that everybody is experiencing sasquatch when they have

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their encounters. I'm skeptical. I
believe that there is a possibility that the

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majority of the people I talk to
have those kind of experiences, and it

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is with the Sasquatch, But I
always leave that little bit of room for

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doubt. We have forty acres here
in North Carolina, and we've heard vocalizations,

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strange sounds outside, And I have
casted footprints several times on the property

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that I've found that I believe are
probably Sasquatch. There's no other explanation for

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how they got on my property in
the places that they were. I've casted

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prints on my neighbor's property three quarters
of a mile away from my house.

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But I'm still skeptical about my own
evidence. Right, I put it out

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there for people. I let people
take what they want, they leave the

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rest. I never definitively say that
anything I've casted as a sasquatch footprint,

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even though it's fifteen inches long and
seven and a half eight inches wide,

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and it's got five toes and it
looks like a stereotypical sasquatch print. But

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I just never say anything definitively about
it because I haven't seen the creature.

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I haven't seen one. I haven't
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cast it on the property. So
I'm skeptical. But I believe if that

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makes any sense, I guess that
those things can exist simultaneously. Interesting in

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for thought that we do give more
credibility to a visual sighting as opposed to

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a vocalization because we can see it. And then we give even more credibility

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when there's print or a footprint,
because that's something real physical evidence of something.

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But if you look at poltergeist types
of experiences, I don't really call

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things to money, but a hunting
kind of experience is we can't have vocalizations.

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We can hear something, we can
see something as well as things can

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move around or there can be some
physical activity. But I hadn't really associated

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that with these various types of bigfoot
evidence. Yeah, And the one thing

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that's happened to me recently, I
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went out on a week long expedition
with controversial figure Todd Standing. I was

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up there the first week of October, and we had a ton of experiences

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that I can't explain. We had
rocks thrown at us, I heard vocalizations.

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I believe on a couple of occasions, I interacted with what I believed

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to be a sasquatch doing wood Knox. I can't explain that any other way.

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I brought that back and I just
put it out there for people to

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digest. I've put probably eight or
ten hours worth of audio that I recorded

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out so far. With us talking
around the campfire. You hear these things

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happening. You can literally hear the
rocks hitting this camper that was twenty feet

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behind us, and there's nobody else
out there. Even those experiences that I

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was there for, I go back
and I say, is it possible there

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was a person out there. No, there's nothing out there but thousands of

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acres of woods around us. We
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We were eighteen miles back off of
a logging road. There's nobody back there

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throwing rocks at the camper. The
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I was recording the audio and talking
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at least eighteen miles that I know
of. But it's interesting that you say

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that, because I do that in
my own show in the people that I

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talked to. I started my show
specifically to document encounters with Bigfoot. Wanted

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to talk to people who had seen
these things, and I wanted to gather

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as much data, particularly in the
Southeastern United States, where I am born

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and raised and still live, because
when I was a kid. Like most

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people. You hear about Sasquatch possibly
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Bluff Creek, where the Patterson Gimlin
film was filmed, but never on the

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East Coast. I've even had conversations
with the late Peter Burn. I think

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I was the last person to do
a podcast interview with Peter Burn, one

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of the four Horsemen of Sasquatch,
and Peter and I disagreed about that because

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he didn't believe that Sasquatch has or
ever existed east of the Rockies. I

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wanted to document as much of that
as I could. I guess it was

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my way of trying to validate my
own experiences in some way. I want

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to talk to other people that live
in this area so I can say,

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yeah, if that happened to them, then it possibly happened to me.

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And the more people that I talked
to, they were having experiences and anegnotalent.

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Accounts are what they are. You've
had some really wild stories on the

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show that people have had tons of
experiences. You meet those people and you

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interview people who have had multiple encounters. Some have claimed ten twenty encounters with

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these things where some wild things are
happening during their experiences. But if there

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is physical evidence, it's one of
the things I always ask for, is

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a photograph. If you have a
habituation situation and you're interacting with this clan

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of sasquatch that you've been interacting with
for twenty years, then there should be

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some evidence there. There should be
a way that you can take a photograph

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or a video, or there's audio
of the vocalizations some people claim to talk

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to these things. The disappointing thing
for me in a lot of these cases

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is it seems the more out there
they are, the more wild the encounters,

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the multiple times they're interacting with them, the less evidence is out there.

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Interviews like I've done over just the
last couple of weeks, it's a

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haphazard encounter. You're on the bank
fishing, or you're in your boat fishing

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and you see this thing walk across
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or you take your boat over there, and there's a footprint left behind.

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So the physical evidence certainly adds that
other level of credibility to me, but

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there's not a lot of it there. I just finished the manuscript from my

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book this past week, and I've
devoted an entire chapter to evidence. What

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evidence is out there? What constitutes
evidence? I think that's a lot of

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what I've run into with skeptical people
in the Bigfoot community is they say that

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anecdotal experiences aren't evidence, but they
are. This testimony in a court of

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law convicts people all the time.
And I've named the chapter can we convict

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Sasquatch? And a court of law? Let me lay out the case for

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you and see what you think.
If you're on the jury, Can we

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convict Sasquatch of being real? I
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lot of that is physical evidence,
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That's really what it boils down to. There are thousands of anecdotal accounts of

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these things throughout history. That's what
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other podcasts out there who have thousands
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I think we have to take that
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I put a lot of weight behind
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stories. Some of them are fantastical
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that they're doing in the woods,
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an experience like that. I don't
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tangent there. I think I answered
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and I haven't been out this probably

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as long as you have, But
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I can't imagine all of these people
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believable. There's an emotional element to
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lay it out as a truthful experience
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what it really boils down to.
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with some of the episodes that I've
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people have told me because they are
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conclusion that eventually I will put some
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months in some cases because they are
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the day, everybody's experience is their
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my own experience exactly how it happened
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happened a long time ago. Do
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Did I feel exactly what I felt
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as I've gathered information over the years. That's another thing I talk about in

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the book is Bigfoot in the pop
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stories. I go into the psychological
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constantly being immersed in that community,
and I think a lot of that happens.

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I think there's Bigfoot contagion that can
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mass of hallucinations as something else I
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of skeptical people think that Bigfoot is
just some big mass hallucination that everybody who

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says they have a sasquatch sighting is
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never met, hundreds of miles away, decades apart. I don't buy into

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that, but I think there is
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all the time, and podcast are
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My show contributes to that in a
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Bigfoot, all the shows that you
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of exposes people to that, and
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be involved in that. I say
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met so many fantastic people that I
now call friends that I would have never

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met had it not been for Bigfoot
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community. Sometimes we eat our own
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it's just like any other community that
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lot of people want to be a
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some people make up their experiences.
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as researchers and people that are investigating
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the phenomenon. I think we have
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of it. There's certainly mental health
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in the book as well and talk
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health stuff that goes on, we
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hoaxed. That's a huge thing nowadays
with the artificial intelligence and the people are

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creating it's very difficult to really vet
some of these deep fakes that people are

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creating, and it's just making it
really difficult. People like I consider myself

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a serious researcher investigator and really trying
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All of those layers makes it very
difficult. Anytime somebody makes up a story

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about an account or creates a hoax, whether it be a video, even

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if it's something like the train video
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immediately I said, that's clearly a

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man in a suit my opinion,
of course, And it eventually came out

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it was a hoaxed video that whoever
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to drum up whatever they were trying
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suits. But I think that kind
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we're really trying to get answers,
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I've talked to people. I've talked
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of mine and he runs the North
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and people have brought trail cam videos
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and he's wholly smoke. That is
a clear image of a sasquatch that people

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will never see because there is so
much of the negative aspect of bringing evidence

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forward and people just don't want to
be involved in that. Unfortunately. I

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think there's a lot of it that's
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some of the hopes and the faker
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in the big book. That's true, there's a lot of it out there.

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like it was obvious that it wasn't
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we don't get to see the ones
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obvious that they are real, because
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Also something else who touched on,
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a trendy subject right now because of
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jumping on board, the conferences.
Everything is just coming forward with it.

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Not that I mind that it's a
good trendy subject perhaps, but I think

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that opens the door for a lot
of people to jump on board in hopes

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things and bringing it forth non credible
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of that trend as well. And
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be right back after these messages.
It's exactly like you said, I think

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a lot of people are looking to
capitalize on it. And that's a touchy

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subject that I deal with often because
I started my podcast Sasquatch Odyssey started in

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February of twenty twenty one. By
March, i'd left my full time job

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as a retail manager. I was
running a super hub for a autoparts manufacturer

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here in North Carolina, and I
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So I make money off of my
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disconnect with a lot of people in

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the community. And I'm sure you've
even dealt with that. If you monetize

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your YouTube channel, there's a lot
of people in the community who look down

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on you and say you're taking advantage
of bigfoot and you're exploiting the subject,

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and it's the complete opposite for me. Anybody who knows me, or has

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been on my show, or has
had anything to do with me, knows

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how passionate I am about the subject
and wanting to find answers for myself and

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then just for everybody else if I
have something I know about the subject or

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can share. That's one of the
reasons I just finished the book is to

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be able to share my little nuggets
of what I've learned from interviewing probably five

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hundred plus people at this point for
the show. Putting that out there in

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the zeit guys for maybe people to
learn from just the back and forth in

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the community. A lot of times. That's why I said earlier, we

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eat our own in a way,
because people will look down on you if

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you write a book you're trying to
exploit the subject. Or if you do

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a bigfoot show documentary and you get
paid for it, you're exploiting the subject.

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It's the complete opposite. For me. I love my job. I

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do something that I wake up every
day and I can't wait to start working

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on the show because it's the best
thing that I've ever done. I have

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the best of both worlds because I
can work in a subject that I am

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passionate about and I can pay the
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it's one of those things, but
you do have nefarious people out there who

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are doing things that are just wanting
to capitalize and go viral and make a

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ten thousand bucks or whatever of the
course of a week with a hoax or

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whatever the motivation is. It's a
double edged sword because as the subject continues

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to grow in popularity, you're going
to have those people that look at that

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and say, how can I get
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when you get those folks that come
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again, I have a chapter dedicated
to known hoaxes in the Bigfoot community.

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But then there is a lot of
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The clear videos. Todd Standing is
one of those people that has clear

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HD quality video that you're either in
one camp or the other. You say,

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I say it's fake. For every
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ten other people who say it's absolutely
genuine and legit. But we're still talking

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and debating the Patterson Gimlin film from
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and debating whether the Sierra Sounds are
legitimate. I've talked to Roan plenty of

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I think they are, and he
has hours of stuff that people have never

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heard, and we may never hear
it. I don't think Ron really knows

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what to do with it, but
he has it. I wish that we

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could dive into that and maybe take
a look at some of the things that

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people have never heard, and maybe
learn even more from it, because everybody's

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used to that. You look on
YouTube and do the Siero salogy, you

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get like four minutes. There's tons
more. There's literally hours of the stuff

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that nobody has ever heard. It's
really difficult to even look at the evidence.

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it's fake or not. AI these

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hoaxes. I wish the people that
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for people would go through some channels
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videos, some of the trail cam
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I think there's some smoking guns out
there, but I just don't know that

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we'll ever see it because of the
saturation of hoaxes and just the debate.

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I haven't put out any photos of
them, and may not because they turned

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out so good. They look like
some of the best print cast that you'll

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ever see, and when people see
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hoax. You know. I've had
that conversation with Cliff. I was on

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Cliff and Bubbo Show a couple of
months back, and that's one of the

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things Cliff and I talked about on
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casting everything, you're finding most of
your casts are going to look like crap,

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and most of mine do. I
probably got four sets of cast and

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three of them look like crap,
and then this one set because of whatever

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this was where it stepped. I
got four inch impressions and I was able

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to pour the plaster perfectly. Got
great casts. But I'm not going to

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put it out there, at least
not now, because the first thing people

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say is it's a hoax, and
I just don't feel like dealing with that.

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I don't have time to deal with
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it's not a hoax, and I
have the evidence here. I'd like to

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share it with other people, but
then you get into that. Like I

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said, Bob Gimlin's been dealing with
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has been dealing with since the seventies
when they captured the Sierra Sounds. I

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think it's going to be something that
continues to happen in Bigfoot. I think

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it's going to take a body.
I think somebody's going to have to bring

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one of these things in. I
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going to take. DNA is something that's

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really out there at this point.
Darby Orcutt is doing his study up here

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in my home state at UNC Chapel
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Darby about that. It's interesting to
me. I just had a kid on

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from the UK last week. It's
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thing over in the UK, and
he picked up some DNA and a footprint

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casting that he did, sent it
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Monkey DNA and Great Ape DNA.
We just had a meeting about it on

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Zoom a couple of days ago,
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What's the next step. Is DNA
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I personally don't think so. Doug
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too. I'm supposed to be doing
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of weeks. I know they're testing
a lot of DNA during that they're going

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to have some, hopefully some interesting
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lot of people. What do you
think about DNA. Do you think DNA

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is going to get it done?
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a body? What do you see
solving the mystery? I think, of

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course the body obviously would be the
ultimate thing, but I think that's going

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to be a hard thing to do. The DNA. I think if there

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are enough samples across country or maybe
even worldly that can begin to show some

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similarities, and you have some credible
people collecting it, there might be some

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I don't know that it's going to
be enough evidence to convince the powers of

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be that they could actually but I
think it's good enough for us to say,

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Okay, this is something that we
can begin to use as a standard,

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and right now we don't have DNA
standard to be able to really judge

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other DNA samples by I think you're
right. I have not had Darby Orcutt

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on the show. I actually talked
to him when I was at a conference

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a couple of months back in the
summer. That's one of the things that

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I really wanted to get into with
him. I've had the conversation since about

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I was under the impression that you
had to have something to compare it to.

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the point where they can sequence with

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a very small amount of DNA,
even e DNA to some extent, they

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can do this with. So I'm
excited about the DNA thing. I just

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think it's going to be very difficult
because again, you get into a lot

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of issues. We've had some infamous
DNA studies in the past, ten twelve

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years ago it did not turn out
so well. I think a lot of

405
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:44.240
people are gunshy when it comes to
that, and then there's questionable tactics with

406
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.079
getting the samples. There's a ton
of stuff that you have to go through

407
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.200
to collect samples, and it's not
as simple and as easy as a lot

408
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.519
of people think it is. But
I think that it's great that citizen scientists

409
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:59.799
are out there doing things in the
woods and trying to at least capture some

410
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.839
thing, whether it be Hayre maybe
some skin sales or something left behind.

411
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.039
I don't know. I think it's
great that people are out there doing that.

412
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.480
I just I don't think it's going
to be enough. I think somebody

413
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.279
is going to have to either bring
one of these things in or That's one

414
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.759
of the things I talked to some
folks at the North American wood A Conservancy

415
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.400
out of Area X recently. I
had a couple of those guys back to

416
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.960
back on the show, and Daryl
Collier and some of them I've talked about.

417
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.079
Their mission or part of their mission
has always been to collect a specimen.

418
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.960
They continue to do that to this
day, yet they're transitioning. At

419
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.400
least Daryl was. He doesn't take
a rifle out anymore. He's got a

420
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:42.400
really good camera set up and he's
really trying to get HD quality video of

421
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.920
these creatures. And he really feels
if they do that over a long period

422
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.519
of time and establish enough, get
videos of individuals that are distinct, and

423
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.119
you're able to say, Okay,
that's Sally or whoever that is over the

424
00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.799
course of weeks or months or even
years, that may be enough evidence for

425
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:06.920
some people that at least they're in
that area and it is a sasquatch again,

426
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.960
I don't know. I think it's
cool that people are doing that kind

427
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.720
of stuff, and at least they're
trying. I'm at the point where I

428
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.680
really want to know definitively that these
things are. Maybe what I experienced when

429
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.920
I was twelve was a sasquatch,
and then it would be great to know

430
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.640
that all the people that I'm talking
to on the show are having these experience

431
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:32.119
with an undocumented relic Tom Annoyd of
some sort that's walking around in North Amyeric.

432
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.559
It's a fascinating subject. That's what
keeps me coming back. I love

433
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.720
talking to people about it. Like
I said, I've met lifelong friends because

434
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.279
of Bigfoot, and I meet interesting
people every single day as a part of

435
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.359
my job, as do you.
I'm sure you do these interviews just as

436
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.920
God do. So. Yes,
lots of fascinating interviews, and I learned

437
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.960
something from every one of them.
One of the thoughts this surprised me when

438
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.240
I began doing the interviews. In
my mind, it was just strictly a

439
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:02.160
flesh and blood out here in the
woods and didn't really know a great deal

440
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:07.519
about Bigfoot at all. It was
surprising to me when I started hearing things

441
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.440
about them being part of maybe the
fairy world, or they were coming through

442
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:17.000
portals or turning into orbits of light. I just found that a very fantastic

443
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.160
way of looking at Bigfoot. That
of course complicates the whole subject matter if

444
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:29.000
there's something odd about Bigfoot in that
nature, because the flesh and blood characteristics

445
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:34.279
may be very difficult to define.
I was going back and remastering an old

446
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.920
episode because i'd had a guy on
like episode nine of my show. It

447
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.920
was in early March of twenty twenty
one when I did his first interview.

448
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.799
I was remastering that audio and putting
it out because I just had Mike back

449
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.480
on his show's going to air as
we record this. It's going to be

450
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:55.119
in a couple of days on Friday, because he's had other experiences since then

451
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.119
in the couple of years it's been
since I interviewed him the first time,

452
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.759
so he came back to talk about
those. I thought it would be cool

453
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.720
to go back and remaster that and
put that back out for the folks that

454
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.480
may have not heard it. Back
when I was doing the first ten episodes,

455
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.839
we talked about that, we got
into the orb thing, but it

456
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.000
seems like it was more common back
then than it is today. But there

457
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:21.000
are some really strange experiences people have
with the orbs and the lights and seeing

458
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:26.799
what could be alien craft, possibly
before, during, and after in some

459
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.839
cases a sasquatch experience. It's one
of the things I talked to Stan Gordon

460
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.880
Stands, a pretty prolific UFO and
bigfoot investigator from Pennsylvania. If you've ever

461
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.240
seen a UFO documentary on Kesburg or
anything like that, I'm sure you've seen

462
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.680
Stan Gordon or heard him talk about
the subject. I had stand on the

463
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.480
show a couple of years ago.
It's one of the things we got into

464
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.799
that big flap in seventy three to
seventy four in that area where people were

465
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:56.400
having these weird experiences with UFOs and
sasquatch, sometimes at the same time.

466
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.880
Literally they're seeing craft look like they're
landing in the fields, are having these

467
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:06.680
bigfoot sasquatch like creatures on the property
almost simultaneously in a lot of cases,

468
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.079
and I used to completely separate the
two. I used to say, Oh,

469
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.880
that's weird. I would stick to
the bigfoot, where I would say,

470
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.480
oh, that's weird that you saw
those lights and then you're having these

471
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:21.079
wooden knocks, and then that you
see the sasquatch. But they've got to

472
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:22.599
be mutually exclusive. I don't think
they had anything to do with each other.

473
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.880
It's just weird that you're having all
these experiences on your property. And

474
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.400
it tended to be more again with
some of the people that weren't necessarily having

475
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.640
habituation situations, like a Janis Carter
fifty years or Bigfoot kind of thing,

476
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.960
or maybe even an area X would
be considered a habituation site where these things

477
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.640
are constantly there and you're constantly having
interactions with them, But it tended to

478
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:49.240
be more so like a gentleman I
talked to in North Carolina who lived around

479
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.319
the U or a national forest who
had these things on his property all the

480
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.680
time. In his words, he
was seeing them, his kids were seeing

481
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.839
them, his wife was seeing them
to the point where they were ready to

482
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:05.200
move. And I've documented other cases
like that. So they weren't habituating them,

483
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.680
but they were there a lot.
And it seemed like those cases were

484
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.119
the ones that seemed to have some
of the weirder things going on in conjunction

485
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.240
with, or at least in and
around the sidings or before ask the people.

486
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.839
I'd say to Bobby, hey man, when are the lights happening?

487
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:27.200
Are you seeing those more with the
bigfoot stuff? Explain that. His answer

488
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.240
was, we don't see the lights, and we don't see what looked like

489
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.039
the craft. If we're not having
sasquatch activity, it's hard to separate that

490
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.400
at that point. So it's very
difficult for me. Again, I've had

491
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.799
a UFO experience. I saw it, and I believe that they exist.

492
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.559
But do I think they have anything
to do with Bigfoot. That's solete from

493
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.640
me, and it sounds strange and
almost hypocritical to say. I guess.

494
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.400
I believe in Bigfoot and I believe
in aliens. I just don't believe that

495
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.559
they could co mingle. Who knows. Maybe they do, Maybe there's more

496
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.519
to it than I know, But
I think the woop part of it,

497
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.799
that's another thing I address in the
book. I don't exclude that on my

498
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.480
show. I don't exclude people's experiences, no matter how WU or high strangeness

499
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:15.639
it may be. It is your
experience, and I listen, I take

500
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.079
it all in, but I think
the WU for Bigfoot or the high strangeness

501
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.920
in Bigfoot. At some point,
we have to separate that for it to

502
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.599
be taken seriously in the scientific community. Because I've had conversations with Jeff Meldrum.

503
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:34.559
You can't have a wu conversation with
Jeff. He's not going to talk

504
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.320
about that because he's a scientist.
Other scientists are the same way. If

505
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.840
they think these things exist. And
if a scientist is willing to take a

506
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.039
look at the bigfoot subject at all, they're going to approach it from a

507
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:53.199
very flesh and blood scientific It's got
to be some sort of a relictominoid.

508
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:58.360
It's got to be an ape of
some sort. So I think we can

509
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.039
have that comingle for investigators like me
or people who research this or into the

510
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.960
subject. You can take all that
stuff, even mix it together sometimes,

511
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.320
But I think in order for it
to be taken seriously in us to get

512
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:14.119
real science behind it, I think
you have to separate the two at some

513
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.199
point, and a lot of people
have a hard time doing that. I

514
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.599
think that's one of the reasons that
some people have a hard time taking it

515
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.840
seriously because it's the old joke.
I grew up with the National Inquirer.

516
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:30.320
When I'd go through the supermarket,
and I remember seeing pictures of Bigfoot with

517
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.360
a UFO on top of the light
coming down. People wear those T shirts

518
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.239
all the time. We have a
T shirt through our store. Is that

519
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.480
very image. It's almost become a
cliche and a joke to talk about that.

520
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.760
I think if you take the subject
seriously, you have to look at

521
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:47.119
it. You can't have a conversation. I know you've had conversations with Ron

522
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:52.000
Moorehead. You can't have a conversation
with person like Ron and not get into

523
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:58.039
that because he believes there's a whole
lot more to everything than what we believe

524
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.320
or what we know. I think
you have to be open to it.

525
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.320
But I think at some point you
have to separate the wheat from the chaff

526
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.920
and just say the high strangeness is
something people are experiencing, but we have

527
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.280
to look at this from a flesh
and blood point of view to really get

528
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.480
science involved and maybe to push the
ball down the field as far as the

529
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.559
research is concerned, I have to
agree. I think with science it's going

530
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.639
to have to be something that they
within their scientific realm, that they can

531
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:30.599
actually put into a pattern or a
test form where they can actually get some

532
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:36.760
evidence. However, if Sasquatch doesn't
fit into our scientific, knowledgeable realm at

533
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.239
this point, we may never get
any evidence. So we also, I

534
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.400
think, have to scientifically take our
science into a place that we may never

535
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.400
have been before, if, by
chance, there is something there that's not

536
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.719
known. That's why I keep my
mind open to any of the high strangeness.

537
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.400
I spend time in the woods with
somebody like Todd Standing and his research

538
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.880
partner Ashley. They believe they mind
speak with they think they have a telepathic

539
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:07.039
communication with sasquatch. I've interviewed people
like less Stroud survivor Man, and he

540
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.079
has had a couple of experiences where
he believes that he's had a telepathic communication

541
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.079
with a sasquatch in the woods.
I don't know what you do with that.

542
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.760
I've never had that experience. I've
been around people when they claim to

543
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:23.199
have had those experiences in real time, and again I'm not saying that that's

544
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.320
not your experience. I'm not trying
to negate your experience. It's just difficult

545
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.559
for someone like me and most people, if we're being honest, to wrap

546
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:37.039
your brain around that. But I
think that has taught me. You have

547
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.760
to do that in this kind of
research, I have to be open minded

548
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.960
enough to say there is a possibility, because what do I know. Sasquatch

549
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.920
could totally be telepathic, they could
be shape shifters, they could cloak,

550
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.639
they could do all the things that
people have claimed to see them do.

551
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.960
Again, I say it often,
it only takes one person to have that

552
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.960
experience and it be real. Because
anecdotal experiences, I've put them into categories.

553
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.320
For me, it helps me compartmentalize, It helps me keep it together

554
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.559
when I'm doing all these interviews.
I think it comes down to simple human

555
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.440
nature. I think it's like this
for most people's stories and most things that

556
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.559
people share with other people. Ay, everything they tell you is one hundred

557
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.519
percent real. They experienced it exactly
like they said they did, and it

558
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.719
really happened the way that they said
and they saw what they saw. If

559
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.000
that's the case, then that means
Sasquatch is one hundred percent real and everybody

560
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:36.000
who has those kind of experiences did
see a sasquatch case closed, then I

561
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.960
think there are other people that have
misidentifications. I think they probably experience exactly

562
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.079
what they say they experience. Like
me, I experienced something in the woods.

563
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.480
I can't explain. It was very
scary to me. I will never

564
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:51.000
forget it. It literally changed my
life. I didn't see what it was,

565
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.000
so it could have been anything.
Doesn't necessarily mean it sasquatch, but

566
00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:00.199
I had that experience. Then you
have people who make up their stories one

567
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.000
hundred percent whole cloth. They make
it up from beginning to end. Nothing

568
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.400
they say happened. They're doing it
for attention, whatever they're reasoning. They

569
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.800
just make it up completely. Or
you have those people who it happens in

570
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.679
their mind. I think we've all
probably had those conversations with people I know.

571
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.960
As a police officer, I went
on many nine one one calls and

572
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.800
people had experiences where they were having
some sort of a mental breakdown or they

573
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:28.239
were having some sort of mental health
issues. They completely believed that they were

574
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.679
being chased by people in their home
when the doors were locked and they were

575
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.039
the only people there. But that
really was happening in their minds. They

576
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.239
didn't make anything up. It was
real to them as it could possibly be.

577
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.719
It was just some sort of a
mental health issue. And then I

578
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.079
think you have that category. It
could be a combination of all of those

579
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.800
things, right, it's a lot
to sift through, especially for people who

580
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.119
do interviews and document the way that
I do. It's difficult to sift through

581
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.599
it. But I think you just
keep an open mind and talk to as

582
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.199
many people. But it only takes
one of those stories, no matter what

583
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.719
it is. If one of those
stories is true, and those persons that

584
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.159
tells that story, whoever that might
be, he or she, if they

585
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:13.079
really had that experience, then Sasquatch
are one hundred percent real, and that

586
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:19.519
opens the door to maybe everybody who
has an experience and shares it experienced exactly

587
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.880
what they said. And if that's
the case, some of those fantastical stories

588
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:29.159
with the orbs and the lights and
even seeing Bigfoot come out of craft go

589
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.760
on to and off of what looks
to be extraterrestrial craft, all those stories

590
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.880
could be true at the same time. And stay tuned for more Sasquatch ott

591
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:44.679
to see. We'll be right back
after these messages. Since I haven't had

592
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:49.320
any experience with Bigfoot at all,
you just have to take people's work for

593
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:51.920
it, and you always have to
put that in some corner of your mind

594
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.039
that you're not sure it's their experience
to not mine. But I think for

595
00:40:54.159 --> 00:41:00.280
any of us, before we can
concretely say that we honestly believe in something

596
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.079
we do often have to have an
experience with it or have enough confidence in

597
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.480
that it is a general consensus of
people that this is a true thing.

598
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.199
We're not there yet with Bigfoot.
Most of the people I talk to,

599
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.360
not on interviews, but most of
the people I just talked to in the

600
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.559
general public have no concept that we
could exist, and presume that it's just

601
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.800
a joke, it's not really real. Then I start interviewing people on the

602
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.960
show, I realize that they're very
sincere. I don't believe you're making up

603
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.840
your story. I believe you heard
something, and I believe people see something,

604
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:42.199
even the unusual stories. Lights and
orbs, and definitely people see orbs.

605
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.159
That's just straight across the board,
whether it's a Bigfoot related or for

606
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.639
me want people do see these things
out in the woods, especially, it

607
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:53.000
seems there's a lot of that type
of light phenomena that's happening. May or

608
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.840
may not be related to Bickfoot whatsoever. I'm not sure about that, but

609
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.000
I've never seen an orb either,
but I do believe they exist, and

610
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:06.920
I believe that there's probably some flesh
and blood creature out there that's like a

611
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.519
big but because I've just interviewed too
many people and so have you there.

612
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.840
Yeah, that's exactly where I come
down when I finished the book. That

613
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.480
was one of the last portions of
the book is the truth behind the legend

614
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.960
and what does that mean. I
don't think anybody really knows what the truth

615
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.400
is. And that's where I came
down when I was finishing out the manuscript,

616
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:29.559
was to say, the truth really
lies in all of us. It's

617
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.079
really you taking a look at everything
that's out there, whether it's the Patterson

618
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:37.920
Gimlin film, Freeman footage, any
and every foot cast that's ever been taken.

619
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.480
You read the books, you watch
the documentaries, you listen to shows

620
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:46.440
like mine, you watch shows like
yours. You just take all the evidence

621
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:51.199
in and then you just have to
make a decision. And for me that's

622
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.079
been very difficult because I've always wanted
to believe. I still want to believe,

623
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:59.239
and although I do believe, like
you, there probably is something out

624
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:04.119
there. It's very similar to what
people have said that they see I'm just

625
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.800
not one hundred percent there because I
want to have that experience. I want

626
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.239
to be able to say I've seen
it with my own eyes. I know

627
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.920
it's a cliche to say, but
I'm a knower. I'm not a believer.

628
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.079
I'm a knower. That's what people
say all the time. Once you

629
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:21.079
have that experience, you just know. I think that's what it really boils

630
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.599
down to. For me. The
truth behind sasquatch is in each individual.

631
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.480
There's plenty of people who I always
think it's a joke and it's just something

632
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.920
to laugh about and you make fun
of your buddies who say they saw it

633
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.000
when they were out hunting or whatever
the case may be. But they're a

634
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.679
lot of people. I think the
last survey I saw legitimate survey like one

635
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.159
out of every three people in the
United States believe that there's something too big

636
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.239
but it's possible that sasquatch exists.
That's a lot of people I don't know.

637
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.679
It's an intriguing thing. I will
definitely keep coming back and keep doing

638
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.400
the show and keep talking to people. It grows every single day. I

639
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:58.360
meet so many more people that have
had experiences, and it's my favorite thing

640
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.119
to do, honestly, is to
talk to people their experiences, and like

641
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.480
I said, just meet wonderful people
like you. I would have never met

642
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.960
and talked to you had it not
been for the subject, and so many

643
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:09.039
people that I now call friends that
came because of this subject. If that's

644
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:13.440
all that comes out of it for
me, I will be content with that.

645
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.599
I'm happy with that, and I
think it's that way for a lot

646
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.920
of people. It's being a part
of a community that like minded enough to

647
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.239
look into a subject that maybe people
think is taboo or they think you're crazy

648
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:29.480
for looking into it. So what, there's no harm in camaraderie and really

649
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:34.800
looking into a subject that fascinates us
all. Really it does, and it's

650
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.800
the mystery of it all and not
having all of the facts behind it that

651
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.000
keeps us all looking. I think, what else can you tell me?

652
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.480
Obviously you've had a lot more experience
in this field than I've had. What

653
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.519
are some of the more interesting stories
that you know about people's experiences. I

654
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.480
think some of the most interesting stories
that I have personally documented are some of

655
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.639
the habituation situations that people have.
It's one of the most fascinating things to

656
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.239
me about the subject is there's so
many people that have looked into it for

657
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.519
decades. Peter Burne comes to mind. He was one of those people that

658
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.199
was out in the field for sixty
years. I don't think Peter ever even

659
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.320
found a footprint, very similar to
Renee to Hinden and some of the other

660
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.960
people that have looked into the subject
for so long. Yet you have people

661
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.400
in the subject who go out and
regularly interact with these things or have tons

662
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:29.719
of sightings. That's an interesting thing
for me. I've documented some of those

663
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.880
over the course of four hundred episodes
or so of the show at this point.

664
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.360
Then there's course some of the fantastical
stories, the stories like the fifty

665
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.519
years with Bigfoot, the Janis Carter
story. I've talked about that, We've

666
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.679
done shows about it a couple of
times on the podcast. I have a

667
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:49.079
difficult time with some of those stories
because I need evidence. I don't know

668
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.599
if it's different from me. If
somebody's having an experience like that, you

669
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.039
walk up on something in the woods
and you're petrified and you're scared, and

670
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:59.480
you take off running, I don't
expect this guy to have a cell phone

671
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.760
video sasquatch. I don't think it
necessarily expect them to take a photograph of

672
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.679
it, or to go back and
look for physical evidence. But when somebody's

673
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.920
saying I've spent fifty years with these
things and there's literally nothing but a couple

674
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.280
of brelerry pictures and just some anecdote, I have a difficult time. I

675
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.199
think they're fascinating, those stories are
definitely cool to listen to and here,

676
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.800
but I think Carl Sagen said it
best. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,

677
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:29.360
and when that's not there, I
tend to go the opposite direction. Well,

678
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.440
I think when it impacts a person's
life heavily, and oftentimes that's the

679
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.719
case. Either it creates a fear
factor and they can't go back into the

680
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.280
woods and they're no longer hiking and
camping and fishing in things that they would

681
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.559
normally do. Or the opposite of
that is they become obsessed to buying bigfoot

682
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:52.280
and proof that it does exist.
So those are two opposing responses, but

683
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.719
often the case, that's what I
find in people put any more credibility towards

684
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.320
the way I handle my potential in
care other people who have encounters, and

685
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:06.239
they go down the rabbit hole and
search transwers for the rest of their life.

686
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.920
Same thing for the other people who
go the opposite direction. I think

687
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:14.679
they're equally as important to the people
who experience that. I'm glad that people

688
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.079
are looking into it. I think
that if there were more people looking into

689
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.599
it, we wouldn't be as far
down the road as we are. I

690
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.119
just don't think there's enough. I
think that's part of the reason with the

691
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.679
research that people think, Oh my
god, there's so many people. Why

692
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.960
can't we find big Why haven't we
found a body, Why can't we get

693
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.840
a better picture. There's tons of
people out there looking for him. No,

694
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.039
not really, if you really think
about it and you do the math.

695
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.000
I've done this with doctor rush Jones
before. Russ's an author. He's

696
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.440
a researcher and he does a podcast
over on and Told Radio Network with a

697
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.360
bunch of other podcasters like myself.
But doctor rush Jones is out in the

698
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.320
woods constantly. He's a full time
practicing chiropractic doctor. He's been doing his

699
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:58.800
practice for twenty plus years and he
has to work. But when he's not

700
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.320
working, he's probably one hundred and
twenty days a year or so in the

701
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.840
woods, which sounds like a lot. I live in the woods, so

702
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.920
I spend three hundred and sixty five
days in the year in the woods.

703
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.880
But I'm not out actively researching.
He's out actively researching one hundred and twenty

704
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:15.519
eight plus days a year, which
is a lot. There's maybe maybe,

705
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.440
And this is completely my opinion.
It's subjective. I don't have anything to

706
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.480
back this up statistically. I'm estimating
because I think Russ and I estimated together

707
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.920
there may be one hundred and fifty
people, maybe one hundred and fifty top

708
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:37.199
end two hundred people across the continental
United States that spend as much time in

709
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.480
the woods as doctor rush Jones does
looking for Bigfoot. Now, if you

710
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.599
break down the square mileage or the
acreage in the continental United States where these

711
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.480
things could be, and you spread
out two hundred people, say it's two

712
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.679
thousand people, say it's twenty thousand
people spending one hundred and twenty days in

713
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:59.679
the woods. If you really extrapolate
it out, do the math, it

714
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.280
would be like finding a needle in
a stack of needles. To find these

715
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.280
things if you're actively looking for them. That's part of the problem with the

716
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.880
research is we need more people looking
into it. Whether they're documenting encounters like

717
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:14.400
we do on a podcast, or
you're actively out in the wood. Anybody

718
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.800
who's in the subject at all can
do their part by doing something. I

719
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:23.079
didn't interview this week with someone talking
about thermal drones doing a lot of that

720
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.639
work for you trying to find things. But that's costly, and also you

721
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.440
just have to have a lot of
monitoring of that, and a lot of

722
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:36.320
territory and a lot of permission to
flight those drums too. I can tell

723
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.280
you when I was in Canada was
hot standing. He has a ten thousand

724
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.559
dollars thermal drunk. We put it
two times while I was there, on

725
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.159
two different days. We had the
right conditions. It was fairly early in

726
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.519
the morning and it was getting later
in the year. It was October up

727
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.639
there. We weren't at the first
snow, but it was thirty degree nights

728
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.440
overnight. It was pretty cool.
But there's a lot of tree cover there.

729
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.360
Those are evergreens, there are Douglas
furs up there. It is almost

730
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:07.559
impossible to penetrate that kind of tree
cover with a thermal drone, even as

731
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.519
apt and capable as the one that
Todd has is. It was amazing to

732
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.760
me, because I've done entire shows
about that with people and had debates about

733
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.639
whether or not thermal drones maybe the
answer or at least part of the answer

734
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.880
to doing some of the research.
And I still think they'd play a part

735
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.719
because if we were in an area
and we did this a couple of times,

736
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:29.440
we found some deer that we were
able to drill down on, we

737
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.639
saw a heat signature. Hey there's
a heat signature. Let's get above it.

738
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.480
Let's turn the thermal part of the
drone off and just go to the

739
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.000
HD camera, and we were able
to zoom in and had it been a

740
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:42.280
sasquatch laying there, we would have
been golden. We would have had some

741
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.239
really good video evidence of a sasquatch. So it is possible, but it's

742
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:51.119
not probable. I think his battery
lasts for thirty minutes or so, and

743
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.559
you can't cover a lot of area
in thirty minutes as much as people would

744
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.239
think you could with a thermal drone. It's labor intensive. Todd's probably got

745
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.480
one hundred and fifty two hundred hours
of training just to be able to be

746
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.280
as proficient as he is with his
drone, and he's never caught an image

747
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.320
of a Sasquatch using a drone in
that area where I believe Sasquatch are probably

748
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:10.960
hanging out. It's definitely not the
end all be all. I think it's

749
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:15.480
something that people should use. I
encourage it. I know people who are

750
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.039
buying drones. I know when I
was on Russ's show as a guest,

751
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.760
Brad his co host was waiting on
his drone to come in because he had

752
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.159
just purchased a thermal drone. He
was excited to get it out in the

753
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:29.480
woods. I think that's great.
I just don't think people should put a

754
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.440
lot of stock in it being the
only way or the best way to capture

755
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.360
evidence or video of a sasquatch.
I just don't think it's gonna boy.

756
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.920
I think we'd be safe to say
that it's challenging. No matter what effort

757
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:46.000
is put out, there is just
a challenging process to really verify and find

758
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:52.719
solid evidence of bigfit. I'm going
to end our interview tonight. Thank you

759
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.320
so much for coming on. I
really seriously appreciate it. Brian sounds good.

760
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:02.039
I had a blast. Thank you
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761
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:12.360
gotta go home, but you can't
stay, and I don't want to be

762
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:42.119
A world happened. Try this chart, that chart everything, Call me,

763
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:47.480
ride back, right back the joy
for me, Joy, stay right there,

764
00:52:50.519 --> 00:53:23.159
Come in right away. Stass still
starts, says side inside inside,

765
00:53:23.960 --> 00:54:04.199
side State Still Susy also games,
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