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Hello, and welcome to a late
edition of Open Mind UFO Radio. That's

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right, your host me Aleandro Rojas, has been sick the last couple of

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days, and I'll get him more
into that in a minute, but I

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first want to tell you about this
cool dude who's joining me to do the

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news, and that is Martin.
Cool dude Willis. Hello, Martin.

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I don't know if I resemble that
remark. You don't think you're a cool

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dude. Well, I think I
used to be, but you know,

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as you get older, you get
well, I don't know, I'm more

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distinguished than cool. Well. When
I think of cool dude and I think

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of you, it kind of reminds
me of mister Cool or Joe Cool.

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Do you remember when I was a
kid, it was my favorite T shirt

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was this, uh you know,
these Snoopy T shirts where Snoopy had on

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these glasses and he would call himself
Joe Cool. Well, I actually had

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mirrored sunglasses for years when I was
back in the seventies. I don't know

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if that that that might count.
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah,

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so at least I think you're cool. That's enough. Oh, well,

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so you were sick, Yeah,
I don't know what it was. I

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had thay food, you know,
me and my girlfriend both got it.

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I thought I was fine. She
started feeling sick soon after we ate,

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but that I thought I was fine. Then that night, like the middle

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of the night, I woke up
with the worst chills I've maybe ever had

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my life. And it was all
downhill from there. It was just awful.

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Even to this moment, I'm not
back up to one hundred percent.

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I have not been able to really
completely well. You know. This morning

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was the first meal I've been able
to eat a whole bowl of cereal.

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And hopefully this will stay down,
so we'll see at least during the show.

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At least during the show. I
don't want to make a mess out

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of my nice little microphone here and
stuff. That'd be awful. It might

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make for good radio, I know, great sound effects. You actually went

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there, all right? Yeah,
so so. But luckily I am on

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them. And what's amazing about these
stomach viruses is that they hit you so

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hard and they could be gone in
twenty four to forty eight hours. You

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know, it doesn't take long for
them to run their course, even though

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they can be so severe. I
mean, at one point I was sweating

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and just awful. So I'm glad
that I am getting better, though I

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have a lot to do. It
was the worse time to get sick,

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because a lot to do, including
this incredible interview that I've got for the

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show today. So this is great
because of course we talked about the Puerto

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Rico siding, and I just want
to, in a nutshell put it in

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there for people. So there's a
video that came out actually somewhat over a

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year ago, kind of leaked,
but it was a poor quality video of

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what looked like some military footage from
thermal imaging footage. It came out,

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lots of people speculated about what it
might be. People didn't know much.

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Then a couple of months ago,
an anonymous letter came out to John Greenwald,

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or good buddy from the Black Vault, who we talked to. Of

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course often he didn't know what to
make of it. It was a higher

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quality of this video and it had
some interesting things to say in the letter.

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Little did anyone know except I did
know. I couldn't let people know

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I knew, but I did know
that there was a group who this whole

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time has been very carefully examining this
video, and it's a group of some

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of the researchers I respect the most
in this field, some very careful researchers

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with scientific background, and they could
not figure out what this thing is.

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And they put out a well done
report examination where they in detail tell you

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everything they looked into and why they
couldn't figure out what it was. And

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they had, you know, considered
whether it was a balloon, a bird,

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and all of these other things.
So it's really great. So the

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two guys, I think one of
them has not been on the show before,

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not that I can remember, maybe
he had in the past, but

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because these guys have known for years, but I'm having on the show two

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of the people from that group,
and one is Robert Powell, who's the

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research director for MOFON, and also
Morgan Biel, who is the director of

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Florida State MOFON. This project was
not part of MOFON, and we'll talk

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about that in the interview and why. But I also wanted to let people

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know that they did this. Essentially, when they decided to post this state

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there was a decision should we just
post this on a website or should we

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that's just for this report or maybe
posted on a website where we can post

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other reports that are done very carefully
and meet a high level of scrutiny and

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science in it. And so they
created this Scientific Coalition for Eufology website where

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hopefully other great reports like this will
go into. Since then, there's been

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a lot of positive feedback. There
have been some people who have been skeptical

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and who are looking at it and
have alternate theories such as a balloon or

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something like that. However, the
most credentialed and expertise opinions that have been

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received thus far, such as from
Fleer experts, have said that they think

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this report is right on and they
agree that even though these people we've heard

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from have watched thousands of hours of
footage from these exact systems, they cannot

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figure out what it is and they
think it is some of the strangest video

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they've ever seen. So so far, case is really holding up. So

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it's made for really interesting and exciting
stuff here. And you know one thing

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that people don't realize. I think
some people are like, big deal,

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there's better pictures and videos out there. Well, the pictures and videos,

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unfortunately, don't often hold up to
scrutiny. But what's exciting about this,

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I think that people should realize is
that this is you know, military grade

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equipment. This is you know,
military instruments that have captured this this anomaly,

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and that's what makes it so significant, I think. So, I

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don't know, while i've been ganess
there's been some kind of buzz or anything

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out there you've heard of, Martin. Not not really, you know,

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I just you know, people email
me about different things, not that in

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particular, but you know, after
watching that video, I understand. We

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talked about this last week on my
show a little bit, and you know,

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I understand why people would think that
it's a balloon. It looks like

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a balloon at first when you're looking
at it, but when it does the

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thing over the water, that's when
everything changes. You can tell it's moving

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fast. A balloon wouldn't move fast
and skip along the water or skip through

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the water as it as it appears
to. So it really is quite exciting.

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I can't wait to hear the interview. Yeah, after the show.

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Here, good stuff, good stuff. So let's get into UFO News of

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the Week. What do you got
for me there, buddy? Well,

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I like this story because you never
hear anything described like this, or I

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haven't heard this description. It's probably
out there Long Island. Ufo was the

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size of an eighteen wheeler. Yeah. Out in New York out on Long

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Island. A little town, well
it's not a little town. There's like

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nineteen thousand people or so there and
it's called ron kan Kuma and that little

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town. There was a guy that
was outside of his apartment complex. By

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the way, there is a video
on Open Minds TV of this, But

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what happened was he took the video
after basically after everything happened. And I

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totally get that because you're, you
know, you're all worked up when you're

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seeing something like this. You're not
even thinking straight, and you know,

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the video is like an afterthought.
Now. He lives right by an airport,

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and this is something you hear a
lot when people talk about this,

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and that is the lights caught his
attention because they were unusual, and you

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always hear that the lights look unusual. And he stepped out of he was

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in his vehicle the outside of his
apartment complex. He stepped out and he

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noticed that it was heading toward the
airport, and as soon as he got

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near the airport, it shot its
lights off and then it's it stopped and

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just hovered and then it backed up
and then moved uh some distance away and

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started descending behind some trees, and
that's when he caught a I think it

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was a security guard at a at
his apartment complex. And the security guard

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actually saw him, I mean saw
the craft descend, and so there's more

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than one witness, and I think
it's a. It's a even though there's

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not video evidence. He you know, his video evidence is just him talking

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about it, but you can't really
see anything. But he's he's quite worked

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up. And so Joseph Flamer is
a New York move On field investigator,

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and so is Nick Vulgar Airis and
they're both have considered this an unknown object

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really interesting. And again it made
no sound pretty cool. One yeah,

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really interesting case. And you know
some people will complain, well, why

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are you posting cases without video or
pictures? And it's so funny because some

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people are like, you know,
these people have no excuse for getting any

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video or pictures. But you know
what, I don't know, and I

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would love to hear your opinion on
this. This is a great example of

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you know, he didn't think of
getting video till afterwards. But even if

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you get it during the case,
I mean, it turns out video and

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pictures are not you know, giving
us much information or helping us very much.

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And so even if they do look
a little bit strange or often,

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you know, the video is not
enough and you need the witness testimony.

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So you know this, this whole
fields started off of and you know,

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dependent upon witness testimony so much that
I think the witness testimony, especially in

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cases like this where you have multiple
witnesses, is very interesting and compelling,

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right, And you know, speaking
with Bruce mcabe a while back, he

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said that images and videos were secondary
to the witnesses. I thought that was

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a pretty good statement. Now I
wondered if the investigators checked to see if

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there was any you know, radar
pain on this craft or of whatever it

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was. Yeah, I don't know, you know, and that's often difficult

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to get. And in fact,
we talk about that in our interview that

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we'll have coming up here in a
little bit, And how difficult, if

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not impossible, it is to get
radar data from the FAA. Now,

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is it? It wouldn't be freedom
of information, would it? I mean,

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how how would you obtain that?
You wouldn't You could request it,

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but they won't give it. Yeah. And in fact, there's there's something

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really interesting. I think it's in
this story. But and we'll talk about

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more about this in this interview.
But the Air Force has access to FAA

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radar data and that's what they used
in the Puerto Rico investigation. But they

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had to get it from the Air
Force, so they did. Therefore,

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you to the Air Force. The
Air Force gave them what they had and

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it was from an FAA radar,
but they said they won't ever do that

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again because they're no longer going to
forward fa radar data. They're only going

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to provide their own radar data if
they deem it necessary. Yeah, so

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less access adversarial, it seems,
you know. Yeah, it's really unfortunate.

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Mm hmm, just looking for you
know, information, shouldn't be that

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difficult, shouldn't be that closed off
to the public. Yeah, but it

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is. It's so hard. So
this is a funny one that I wanted

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to a really interesting one. The
British Interplanetary Society, it's the oldest space

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advocacy organization and they're a leading space
development think tank. You know, they're

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like a big deal there. There
are only a couple of blocks from the

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love and headquarters of the Secret Service
MI six and all of this, and

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they've had these interesting think tank meetings
that they've been having on a yearly basis

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regarding space and liberty. They're actually
called Extraterrestrial Liberty, and they in this

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last one, one of the things
they were discussing is how do you overthrow

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a Martian despot? So kind of
funny. So essentially it's it's a developing

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think tank that they've been doing where
they have been writing papers regarding colonization of

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other planets, so if we had
a Martian colony. You know, their

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first year was more along the lines
of what would freedom look like, how

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would you organize a government out there? How would law work for that sort

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of thing? The second one,
if I can, I've got it down

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here anyways, it was it was
a little bit similar about dealing with government

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and space and legal policy. That. Then the third one is more about

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dissent, revolution and liberty in space. So what if there's a revolution,

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how do you allow for dissent and
you know, recourse, but also keep

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control on things? So kind of
a funny thing. So these are the

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these real meetings that are going on. A lot of scientists, philosophers,

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writers and such get involved with this, and they're writing these things in hopes

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that when we do begin to colonize
that you know, these will be able

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to be used by you know,
future human governments that are trying to establish

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these sort of things. So it's
early, of course, but that's kind

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of funny. It's kind of cool. Yeah, I think they're watching too

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many movies. Yeah, no,
you know, I I think it's a

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great idea. It's just, you
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colonizes first. I would imagine it
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if it's a single country that colonizes
there first, it would probably I would

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imagine they would institute the legal you
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you know there. But really that
I understand why they're doing it,

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because you know, how do you
It's kind of like when you go out

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in the ocean in a boat.
You know, like a lot of laws

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don't pertain to the open seas,
and this is kind of like the same

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thing. And of course they have
to be careful. They could be tyranny.

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Either could be there could be slavery, you name it. Anything could

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happen when it's an open government settling, you know, kind of like when

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they came over here, you know, to a Mamerica from from England,

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the early sub settlements, the Roanoak
and then you know the Pilgrims and stuff

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like that. You know, they
it was under the rule of uh,

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you know, King George and and
uh you know Queen Anne and you know,

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on and on. But still it's
uh, you know, it's it's

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something that you know, there's going
to they're going to want their independence,

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of course, uh if it's colonized
for generations, and uh, they really

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you know, having something said in
place or at least a guideline is not

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a bad idea. And yeah they're
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have to Yeah, they'll have to
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I guess it depends on the technology
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there from Earth if we had to
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and restore order, and so who
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had seen and I included a picture
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British Interplanetary Society meeting because he may
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base, and there is news this
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Bigelow, of course, is a
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controversy in this field, a lot
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mind saying that because a lot of
speculation from people who don't know what they're

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talking about, quite frankly, but
seeing as how I was there, that's

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why it makes me so frustrated.
I was involved with Muffan and this whole

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partnering up with Bigelow. But Biggelow, and there's plenty of interviews. He's

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very close to George Nappy's a guy
who's really interested in UFOs, which is

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pretty cool. And then he's spent
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Great Skinwalker Ranch, you know,
mystery we wouldn't know about if it wasn't

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for him. But anyway, he
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so NASA was looking into doing these
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space and you then inflate them,
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this is they didn't have the technology, so these things weren't very strong,

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so any little particle could break through
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and Bigelow ended up buying the whole
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now the fabrics are so much stronger, like kevlar that they this story says,

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are even stronger than like a hard
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of these, you know, you
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inflatable tent, you know, or
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rocket, fly it up there and
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that in the next space X launch. It's been delayed because of you know,

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the SpaceX rocket exploding recently, but
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these inflatable units it's gonna go up
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ISS. So this will be the
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big low aerospace inflatable unit to be
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some up there kind of proof of
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and they put a lot of stuff
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a contest where you could put stuff
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But that's about it. So this
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next step, and he's already in
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have a lunar base. But he's
dealing with legal issues too because his problem

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is, hey guys, we have
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the Moon, because I'm getting really
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but I got to figure out where
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don't know, you know, I
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and I need to, you know, just like any developer needs to

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secure the land. That really is
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or someone studying that right now.
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are Wow, I didn't know that. I was just saying that Now the

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one thing you have to think about
though, there's no real shielding from radiation,

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you know. That's that's an issue
on both especially Mars, but well

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both the Mars and the Moon,
you know, against the right. Yeah,

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well that's why they have to wear
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materials of the buildings that they have
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the concerns. Now it's possible with
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wasn't possible before. Wow. Interesting, Yeah, the future is coming right

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up on us, smacking us in
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yeah it is. Yeah. Well, before we move on, way,

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we have to those all those people
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way trip to Mars. Oh yeah, Mars one. Yeah. Because I've

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been taking a look at that,
I've thought it was foolish to begin with.

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Personally, it just doesn't make sense
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plan is you take a dozen people, you fly them into space and to

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Mars on a one way trip,
and they have to live the rest of

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their lives out there in these small
little units, you know, like the

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size of this conference room. These
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Just psychologically, that's not even possible. I mean, let's say you and

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your girlfriend. That's maybe a little
different. But can you imagine being locked

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up even with the person you care
about and love the most, Like me

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and my girlfriend probably would have a
problem after a couple hours. No,

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just kidding, hopefully we could last
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weeks getting too upset with each other, you know, any one, by

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the way, in one tiny little
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mean, let alone someone you that
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I love people. I am a
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goodness in them. I smile and
say hi to everybody I meet. I

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like people, but I don't like
being around that many people for a very

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long period of time, like you
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get annoying. So yeah, I
just do not see how this could ever

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work anyway. A lot of people
that first thought it was a scam,

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then they started talking to aerospace companies
and about developing some different things, and

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some of the aerospace companies said,
well, they have some decent ideas,

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but now it's kind of fallen all
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And even worse, their candidates have
been coming forward and saying they're wanting us

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to give them our royalties when we
do interviews, and they want us to

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give them money. So the people
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trained to be there out there in
space, they're making them give them money

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because they're out of money. All
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initial marketing push, and they actually
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it seems like that's pretty much dead
in the water. Their whole plan was

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to fund the whole thing by making
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And they were matching up the monies
that the super Bowl makes to show,

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look how much the super Bowl makes, which is like the number one watch

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show in the world, you know, and oh, we're going to get

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as much funding and viewership as they
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This would be Big Brother in space, and I don't know that. I

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think a lot of people are over
a Big Brother, but it's been really

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interesting. I'm interested about how the
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Some of these were really scientists and
stuff, some very serious people,

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and it just boggles my mind that
you would want to leave behind everything,

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all your family and everything. I
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shoot, that's probably going to get
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case scenario, and it's fun for
a year, then what, well,

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you know someone is going to do
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happen eventually. But yeah, they
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all the explorers and uh, you
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sometimes they'd be at c for four
years or something like that, you

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know, or think of Lewis and
yeah, but they were exploring. I

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mean you and you can walk amongst
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you don't have to be in this
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firing is is a closer example though. That's a really good point. Yeah,

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I mean someone will do it.
It's just a matter of yeah,

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you're right, and and it might
be bigelow crazy enough and wild as that

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is, it might be a fellow
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might be I mean, it's looking
really good. If Bigelow his test of

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this iss unit is successful, he
might be the first guy to have a

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base on the moon. Guarantee there'll
be a casino in there. Yeah.

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Well, he wants a hotel.
He want that's part of it. He

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wants to do a hotel. That's
his thing. That's how he got his

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money, is doing hotels. Crazy, how pretty neat. I think that

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ought to be interesting, and it
is so mind boggling that it's someone in

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the UFO field that might be doing
it. That's that's pretty cool, really

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wild stuff. Well, we've talked
a lot about some news and some goings

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ons in the last couple of weeks. Thank you for your patience, smartin

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with me being sick and being available
to do this this morning. Oh sure,

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let's go ahead and talk to Robert
and Morgan. I am so super

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excited to talk to these guys because
some of you may know why. I

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kind of mentioned it in the last
show that we would have some cool story

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coming up, and that cool story
had to do with these two gentlemen.

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So earlier I had mentioned this Puerto
Rico case and the group of researchers who

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put that report together. And I
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Robert Powell and Morgan bil Hey,
guys, hey, alijndro all right,

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so we have a lot to get
to, no doubt, and I think

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just to get it out of the
way at first, and maybe Morgan,

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I think you could address this because
you were probably the one who made this

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call. Morgan you are a state
director for MOUFON in Florida, and Robert

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you are the director of research for
MOFON. You have another you have most

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of the members of the SCU I
think all but one may be even our

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work with MOUFON or have positions at
MOFON. However, this was not a

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move On investigation. Why is that? Well, I didn't think about it.

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A lot of us actually a part
of multiple organizations. Some of us

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had worked with NARCAP, some work
with NCAP the current version, and so

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you know, we're we're involved in
so many different projects and different organizations,

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including MOFON. Mofon's a big part
obviously in the volunteerism and the work that

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I do in Florida. But on
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case wasn't really acquired through Moufon's database. Rather it was a friend of a

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friend, and so Anacola and so, you know, that's kind of the

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direction we took in It was actually
kind of a last minute, not really

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a last minute, but we really
didn't think about how we were going to

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formulate a think tank to sort of
present this case, and so we came

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up with the idea of the SCU
as sort of a think tank or a

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coalition or you know, a hub, so to speak, for people to

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come together and analyze cases. So
I think you said also at one point

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the witnesses had were they hesitant to
have this case as part of a larger

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organization. Yeah, there was a
lot of hesitation in databasing the case.

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They didn't want their information out there, their name or location. So they

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were very very hesitant. Also because
they are you know, they're afraid to

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lose their career either that or through
ridicule. So they were very hesitant,

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very very protective of their identity,
and so there were a lot of things

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I couldn't guarantee them and any respect
as far as you know, getting involved

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in a larger scale investigation. So
he wanted to keep it to a small

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group of people in the beginning anyway, so that you know, his identity

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was protected. And so at the
time, this was back in twenty thirteen,

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we really didn't have anything set up, you know, organizationally to handle

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this sort of identity protection. So
what we did is we just compartmentalized it

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to upset a few people who actually
knew his identity, and that's how we

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went about the case from that point
on. So it was basically a case

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of a friend of a friend.
That individual had some pretty heavy demands on

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keeping his identity from the public.
Right. So, and we'll get into

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the radar in a minute, but
I guess I have a couple more questions

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for Morgan because you were there kind
of when this whole thing started, because

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it started in Florida, right,
you said, a friend of a friend

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and essentially the source we'll call him, I think that's what you call him.

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And the report had approached one of
your investigators who happens to be and

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this is really exciting. I mean, I think a famous Cuban born,

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you know, fantasy writer. Yeah, I mean she's a I guess a

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non or a fiction writer mainly,
and you know, Hispanic countries. She

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is now starting to publish in the
US. But yeah, Diana Chaviano,

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she's an excellent investigator too, and
I've worked with her for a couple of

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years here at Florida, and she
gave me a call one day and said,

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hey, I got a friend and
you know, I don't know what

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to do with this. And I
asked, you, hey, just have

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him, you know, fill out
a case on I'll move on to database

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and go ahead and report it.
And she's like, well, I don't

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think he's very comfortable with that.
I think you need to come here in

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person and see this for yourself and
then maybe we can talk to him directly.

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And that's sort of how the ball
started rolling. So she had the

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video and you were able to go
there and check it out. Yeah,

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yeah, And you know, of
course I'm thinking, oh, yeah,

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okay, a small light in the
sky or yeah, something like, well,

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you know, I get over there
and I watch it. You know,

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I don't actually in the beginning of
it, I really don't think much

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of it. Pretty much go along
the lines of most skeptical believers or what

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have you. And I think balloon, I think something floating in the wind,

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and I continue to watch it and
there's some just peculiar characteristics with the

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video that you know, transpire,
and that's when I said, well,

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I think this needs to have a
serious look rather than just me, you

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know, like a YouTube video,
looking at a YouTube video and just judging

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it. I just went ahead and
said, well, let's put it to

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00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.319
the task. Let's find out what
this is. Mm hm. So,

410
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.119
Robert, I think this is an
important part where some people have asked,

411
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.000
you know, you guys did a
foya to get some radar information, And

412
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:42.920
of course there's well what I consider
a famous and one of the other best

413
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.759
pieces of work in euphology is when
you did, you know, a foya

414
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.240
and got some radar information with a
Stevenville case. But you did a foya,

415
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.440
you got some radar information. And
some people have asked, well,

416
00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:00.680
you had the video, why did
you need the radar? Well, as

417
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.720
soon as I saw the video,
the reason I wanted the radar data was

418
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:12.079
one to see if we could pick
up the object using FAA radar. It

419
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:17.480
was available in that area, and
we got that FAA radar actually by requesting

420
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.920
it through the US Air Force because
they have access to all FAA radar through

421
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:29.000
the joint surveillance system. And then
the second reason I wanted it was because

422
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.239
I wanted to verify that this was
not a hoax. In other words,

423
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:37.639
I wanted to know that that plane
was located where it was at is those

424
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.840
latitude longitude coordinate show on the video. I wanted to verify that, Yeah,

425
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:49.760
which seems really important because I mean, if movie makers can hoax you

426
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:55.400
know this telemetry like in the video
that you see. So that's why I

427
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.159
was kind of surprised when some people
were like, what did you even waste

428
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.760
your time with the foil. Well, obviously it's important for these two reasons

429
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:07.079
that you've talked about, and with
that that radar information you could verify this

430
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.519
wasn't a hoax. That plane was
where the telemetry on the video says it

431
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.920
was exactly. Not only was that
correct, but when the uh, you

432
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.360
know, the indication the pilot sees
an object to his left, the radar

433
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:27.559
data and everything lines up with everything
that we got regarding the pilot from the

434
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.639
secondary witness. So that really nailed
down that it was a real video.

435
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.760
And from that point in time,
we really worked on, Okay, exactly

436
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.440
what can we glean from the video, you know, in terms of what

437
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:45.159
does the video tell us? Now
I want to ask you about this.

438
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.639
This is something that you had mentioned
to me before. You said you your

439
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.760
foil was to the Air Force,
and the Air Force then provided you with

440
00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:00.039
FAA radar data because the Air Force
has access to that. I guess my

441
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:07.440
questions twofold. First, if you
would have requested to the FAA, would

442
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.840
they have given you that information or
not? Do you believe? And second

443
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.400
you said something about how this sort
of thing that happened with you, oh,

444
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:22.639
won't happen again. Yeah, to
your first question, the FIA,

445
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:29.679
especially on the eastern region of the
FAA, it's very difficult to get information

446
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.039
from them. There's lots of delays. Plus the FAA says, after forty

447
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.679
five days goes by, we can't
give you the information anymore. And more

448
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.320
than forty five days had gone by, so our only option really was to

449
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:49.400
go to the US Air Force to
get the FAA data, and I've always

450
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:55.719
tried to use that resource sparingly.
But we came to find out that this

451
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.039
request was actually the last request as
far as I know that the US Air

452
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.199
Force is honored because now if you
send them a request, what they will

453
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.280
say is they don't do that anymore. That if you want that information,

454
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:15.159
go talk to the FAA. Wow. So that's pretty I mean, it's

455
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.840
great that you guys got in there
and were able to get that fa radar

456
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:23.039
data because without that data you would
have had no radar data right exactly,

457
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:28.719
because the FAA won't give it to
you for forty five days. Frustrating.

458
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.039
So that's surprising. So that was
a stroke of luck. And you know,

459
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.159
I wanted to touch on here,
I guess just before I forget something

460
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.039
Morgan had said, and I know
you guys probably feel the same. And

461
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:43.159
it's just kind of funny because it's
something I wanted to bring up, and

462
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:51.480
I guess Morgan kind of encapsulated kind
of that feeling. What has a bit

463
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:58.639
surprised me is just how combative a
lot of people are, at least a

464
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:04.320
lot of the more careful, some
of the allegedly more careful researchers are out

465
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.239
there to the report. And I
guess it's kind of that sentiment because I

466
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.880
have the same thing I'm sure you
do, Robert. Whenever you hear about

467
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.000
a UFO video, the first thing
you do when someone says, hey,

468
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.639
I have this great video, the
first thing you do is roll your eyes.

469
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.320
At least that's the first thing I
do, because it's like, yeah,

470
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.239
sure you do. Because ninety nine
point nine percent of the time it's

471
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:31.880
a bug or a bird, or
it's something we've seen before exactly, And

472
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:37.280
I guess that must be how some
of the people are feeling out there who

473
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:45.639
have not embraced this report as much
as I thought they might. Yeah,

474
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:52.000
uh huh, I was gonna say, yeah, I see that almost every

475
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.639
day after or release, and it's
kind of back and forth, you know.

476
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.800
I try to explain to people that, look, we're not saying it

477
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.119
is something. We're just saying this
is something we're our time to look at.

478
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.840
We're not claiming to be right about
everything. We're not claiming that it's

479
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.119
an extraterrestrial aircraft from some other planetary
system. We're not saying it's you know,

480
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.519
we're not we're not actually identifying it
as anything that we believe that is.

481
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.360
It's just that we look at the
data. This is our opinion based

482
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.880
off of our analysis. We could
be wrong, we could be right.

483
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.760
We could be wrong and right at
the same time. With all the various

484
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.880
things that we have analyzed. I
think people are jumping, you know,

485
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.519
they're so used to to jumping at
these types of things. I mean,

486
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.480
we just got out of the you
know, the slide gate as they call

487
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:43.440
it, and I'm sorry to mention
it on your show. You yeah,

488
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.000
no it is, And we just
came out of that, and so now

489
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.800
everybody's on the defensive, right,
and you know, we hate it.

490
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.599
Our whole intention of releasing this to
the public wasn't to make a big,

491
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:58.199
you know, extravaganza about it.
Our main goal is to get it to

492
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.800
other researchers, other scientists, to
really dig into it and see if there's

493
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.119
anything to this. We're not saying
that this is the best thing since slice

494
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.519
spread, and there's a lot of
people saying that to us, and we're

495
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.519
like, well, yeah, we
know that. We know that it's not

496
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.400
the best thing that's ever been out
there. And you know, I have

497
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.760
people say, well, why are
you wasting your time if it's not the

498
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:22.320
greatest thing ever. I was like, well why not don't Well, I'll

499
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.760
stop you here for two points.
First, I disagree with you. I

500
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.960
think it is a really good one
second of all the report does say it's

501
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.000
you know, one of the conclusions
Indusry report is it's one of the best

502
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.639
cases any I mean, I get
it. It is one of the better,

503
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.960
you know, videos that we really
have had, especially if it is

504
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.280
determined to be an unknown, which
we did in our paper. It's just

505
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.800
that I think people are overreacting on
both sides of the fence, which is

506
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.440
okay, Yeah, I get It's
it's part of this field, and people

507
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.000
think that this is just exclusive to
the UFO field or whatever. It's not.

508
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.440
You could be an feel in science, you're gonna have these heat a

509
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:07.119
battles, you know, over cures
of cancer treatments and or biology studies.

510
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.599
I mean, you're going to have
a bunch of difference of those opinions.

511
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.840
Yeah, And I do want to
just for people real quick. I'm sure

512
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:22.920
practice my listeners. I'm sure bored
to death with Roswell sleds because we've talked

513
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.599
about it. But just to catch
people up if they aren't aware of it,

514
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.880
is that you know, there were
researchers recently who said they had these

515
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.519
pictures of an alien and that this
is probably the alien from Roswell. Once

516
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.800
those pictures were publicly released, which
took a long time, and they alluded

517
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.480
to them, and when they released
them, they were not very exciting.

518
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:51.039
In fact, people immediately said that
looks like ammified body, which it turned

519
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:55.199
out to be, and better research
was done after those pictures were released.

520
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.119
But that group of people, like
you said, release them with with big

521
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:06.400
fanfare, and they were very defensive
and they were not open to the research

522
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.920
that others had done, which is
certainly different than the sent that meant that

523
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:14.559
you all have shared. You guys
have been very open. Yeah, absolutely,

524
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.360
And that's the whole point of our
release. Why we created the website.

525
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.880
You know, we want people to
review. We want people to sit

526
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.199
there and tell us what they think, especially if they're experts in their field.

527
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.280
We want to hear your opinions.
That's what science is about. It's

528
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:32.079
about exchanging that idea, trying to
repeat the same analyzes, finding out if

529
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.880
there's things that are correct and things
that could be fixed. That's the whole

530
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.079
that's the whole part of the process. And I think people aren't used to

531
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.159
that in uthology. They're used to
defending and fighting each other and debating each

532
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.400
other about something either's black or white. We're saying, look, we accept

533
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.760
other alternative hypotheses, and it's just
that it's a hypothesis people. We're not

534
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.360
saying this is it, this is
the thing, this is something else from

535
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:02.480
somewhere else. It just is unknown
to us analysis. Right, So we'll

536
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.039
get more into some of the feedback
that you will all have gotten, especially

537
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:12.400
the more pertinent feedback from experts,
and what's going on there is really interesting.

538
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.199
But getting back into the siding,
I guess we should start off next

539
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:23.719
with what the source, who the
source was, and at least of what

540
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:30.119
we can share about the source and
what the source reported as far as the

541
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.800
sighting. Yeah, I mean,
obviously the source. This is one of

542
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.719
the limitations of our report. And
we totally recognize that that the source wants

543
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.039
to be completely anonymous, and we
will, uh, you know, we'll

544
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.840
get that to him, we understand. But you know, the source essentially

545
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:55.840
witness or knows the witnesses and works
with the witnesses and and so it's it's

546
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.559
kind of a direct contact between those
poxies, I guess you could call it.

547
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.440
Where we were able to determine information
by Q and A over a long

548
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:10.119
period of time, and I actually
got to meet our source and person face

549
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.360
to face, so I know the
person's a real person. Uh, you

550
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.440
know, I know a lot about
that individual and you know, including career

551
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.119
line and everything else and so,
and that individual did not want to be

552
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:30.199
identified, nor did they want their
employer to be identified. However, you

553
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.599
all, like you said, were
able to meet the source, and you

554
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:40.280
were able to verify this person's identity
and their employment, and that they would

555
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:45.360
have been in a position to know
what they knew. And what they knew

556
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:51.760
is that this person spoke with the
pilot of this aircraft that recorded the video.

557
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:57.440
Correct, That's absolutely correct, And
so you know that's that's where the

558
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.440
video came from, and that's also
where our test some of the information came

559
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.639
from when we began our investigation.
Now, this part does get a little

560
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.719
bit difficult in that it's an anonymous
witness, which often is something that you

561
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.280
would, you know, kind of
blow off. But given like what Robert

562
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:21.480
had said, the radar data from
a third party verifies everything that your source

563
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:28.840
had told you. Lends credibility.
Plus, people are are somewhat needing to

564
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:36.119
trust you all, which I do
personally, but you know understandable other people

565
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:42.920
may be skeptical that you all did
do your due diligence to verify this person

566
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.840
is who they said they were.
Robert, did you have concerns about the

567
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:59.599
source, and if so, what
eased those concerns? Myself? I really

568
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:04.159
did not have concerns with the source, Alejandro, because once I verified the

569
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.280
video was not a hoax, the
main value to me in the entire investigation

570
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:13.559
was was the video itself once I
knew it was a real video. Now

571
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:19.920
that you know, the witness being
able to tell us what he saw is

572
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.280
always helpful because that helps confirm you
know what's in the video and helps in

573
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:30.239
the analysis. But the video to
me pretty much stands on its own two

574
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:36.800
feet. Now, did the Sourus
ask the witness the pilot to speak to

575
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:42.800
you all directly? Yes, Earlier
on it was conversations going back and forth,

576
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.880
and I think at that point they
were still uneasy about directly communicating with

577
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.480
us. I'm sure in the future
we could probably arrange it, but at

578
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:57.039
that point no. So regarding the
sighting, what did the the what did

579
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:02.480
what were you told? Took place? Well, essentially the tideline was that

580
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:07.519
they took up and I think Robert
you've been looking over this portion of the

581
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.840
data more than I have. But
if you want to go ahead and explain

582
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:15.679
that on the timeline of what was
the witness and what the data actually says,

583
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.480
well, yeah, basically, the
plane took off at nine sixteen pm

584
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:27.519
local time, and is the pilot
is looking out his left window and he's,

585
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.199
you know, he's already left the
runway. He sees an object.

586
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.719
It's a pinkish red light to his
left, which is to the north northwest

587
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.039
of where the plane is at that
time, and that's also the same direction

588
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:45.559
that we picked up the radar blimps. And so he circles around and then

589
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.719
comes back over the airport again.
And when he does his second circling point

590
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:58.400
is when he actually turns on his
thermal video because that's when the object turns

591
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:05.159
off the pinkish light. You know, whether that whether the object intentionally turns

592
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.679
off the pickage light or it just
goes off, there's no way to know.

593
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:13.480
But that's when he turns on his
thermal video m and that's when he

594
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:21.239
started getting video. And we should
note those radar contacts you're referring to were

595
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:30.920
captured before they took off, correct
so those and then maybe you could explain

596
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.679
what those unknown radar hits were.
Well, yeah, let me start off

597
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.400
by saying, these unknown radar hits
they're to the northwest of the airport about

598
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.920
two miles so they're not very far
away. They're picked up by a radar

599
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:51.320
site that's at an elevation of three
and a half thousand feet on the far

600
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.159
east end of the island, So
that radar site's ninety miles away, but

601
00:48:54.239 --> 00:49:01.159
it's long range radar and it picks
up at nine pm. Every time it's

602
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.159
sweeping, it's picking up an object
in that area. Now, it's not

603
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:10.239
unusual for radar to pick up an
unknown object and then it just disappears and

604
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.360
you never see it again. It's
just kind of, you know, an

605
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:21.679
occasional blimp whatever causes it to happen. But what was unusual was that every

606
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.239
time the radar was sweeping, it
was picking up an unknown object in that

607
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:30.559
area in northwest of the airport.
So I felt that that was, you

608
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.880
know something, there's something to it, and we don't know the answer.

609
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:39.880
For how long was that that target
being picked up. That went on from

610
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:47.239
nine pm to nine to twelve pm, and then the target pretty much disappears,

611
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:53.599
and then four minutes later the aircraft
takes off and that's about the time

612
00:49:53.639 --> 00:50:00.599
that they saw the light. Correct, So what did they see so once

613
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:07.840
the the light turned off, I
mean everything that they all the data from

614
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:16.280
there is on the video of this
object seemingly flying over the area. I

615
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.000
mean, now that you know,
or at least once you know where it

616
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:25.280
was. If you look at the
background, you could see what apparently is

617
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:34.760
the airfield airport. This thing flies
over twice and then apparently flies behind some

618
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:47.079
trees and then into the ocean.
And that I mean, so what you

619
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:53.679
guys had to do next was to
determine I guess what was your feelings for

620
00:50:53.760 --> 00:51:02.320
your next step to approach to analyze
a video? Well, I mean the

621
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.960
next thing we did on the to
analyze the video is the first thing was

622
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:13.239
we looked at all the longitude,
latitude values, the distance values, all

623
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.320
the numerical values that are right there
on the video screen, and so we

624
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:24.360
basically plotted all the movements of the
aircraft. We split the video into over

625
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.920
seven thousand individual frames. There's thirty
frames for every second of video, and

626
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:39.559
so we did brain by frame analysis. We enlarged the frames so that down

627
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.480
to the pixel level, I mean, we did pixel level analysis of the

628
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:52.480
object. We analyzed other objects in
the video such as cows, the asphalt,

629
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:59.920
the trees, because those all gave
us clues because we could determine their

630
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:07.400
temperature and to try to also determine
the temperature of the object. The one

631
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:12.559
thing that's distinct on this object is
it has a definite thermal signature. It

632
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:19.239
is not the same temperature as the
ambient. It is significantly warmer than the

633
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.920
ambient. So we know that we're
not dealing with something like a balloon,

634
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:30.320
which is right dealing with ambient temperature. It's something that has its own power

635
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:37.599
source. And it was a thermal
system, not like night vision. This

636
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:44.119
is something that is picking up heat
differences, that is correct. This was

637
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.480
not It was not a night vision
system. It was not in the near

638
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.360
infrared. This was in what's called
medium range infrared, which is between three

639
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:58.440
and five microns, and in that
range, what it's basically picking up is

640
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:06.440
thermal emissions from an object. So
you also found out the type of plane

641
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:12.840
DHC eight turboprop. Actually, there
have been other sightings I've written about where

642
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:19.800
they're in a dash eight, which
is what this plane was pretty common,

643
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:27.840
I guess for a prop plane.
But during this time, while you guys

644
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:36.360
are analyzing, what's interesting is that
the video somehow got leaked and there was

645
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.159
what a version out there from a
Puerto Rican UFO researcher who put a really

646
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.800
low resolution. It was a video
of a screen showing the video, and

647
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.079
that caused kind of some confusion,
And of course you guys kept silent the

648
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.559
whole time, even though we were
writing about it, because at the time

649
00:53:53.320 --> 00:54:00.440
I didn't know that was what you
guys were working on. But in that

650
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:08.440
you know, confusion, then it's
people kind of were uh, by looking

651
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:15.000
at these low resolution videos, decided
that this object could have been a balloon.

652
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.920
And at the time, you know, not knowing any better, I

653
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:24.360
thought, perhaps that seemed like a
logical explanation in that you have even though

654
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.599
the object looks like it's going very
fast, it does look like perhaps the

655
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.159
plane is going around the object,
which would make the background look like it's

656
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:37.559
going very fast when actually it was
not. So that seemed like something plausible.

657
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:43.480
Was that did that cross your minds
at first? And how did you

658
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.760
prove that was not the case.
Well, i'll explain, you know,

659
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:51.519
I'll explain my thought in the beginning, and that was exactly my thought when

660
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:54.239
I first saw it. You know, again, I was pre judging before

661
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.320
I looked at the old video,
and I'm sure that kind of happened with

662
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:04.440
this low red imagery that was being
leaked out after we had already started our

663
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:08.719
investigation. So yeah, I don't
blame people for thinking that. I mean,

664
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:13.519
it's you know, but it's what
makes it significant is the fact that

665
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:17.559
it's thermal imaging and it's not just
some light in the sky or something along

666
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:22.079
those lines. But go ahead and
explain, Robert, the you know what

667
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:27.159
you were going to explain. Well, first, the first thing we did

668
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:31.880
is we looked at the object or
the video has a laser rangefinder on it,

669
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:37.840
and we looked at Because we were
looking at these frame by frame very

670
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:43.679
carefully, it became evident to us
early on that the rangefinder was giving the

671
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.239
location of the land, not the
location of the object. And so we

672
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:53.119
knew that the object could be anywhere
along a line of sight between the aircraft

673
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:58.079
and the ground, and there was
no way to know its exact location.

674
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:04.320
And so what we do is we
started looking for specific times in this video

675
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.840
when, for example, the object
went behind a telephone pole at one point

676
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:12.880
in time and went behind trees at
another point in time, and then we

677
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.559
enlarged those frames and we looked at
them at the pixel level to make a

678
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.719
determination of whether or not we believed
it went in front of or behind an

679
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:25.760
object. So once we did that, that allowed us to know the exact

680
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:31.559
three dimensional location of the object on
the ground. And this when we can

681
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:37.480
do that is mostly during the latter
half of the video, and that's the

682
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.079
point in time where we were able
to calculate Okay, based on that,

683
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.239
we know this is the range error, it's somewhere between this distance and this

684
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:51.400
distance, and if that's the distance, then this is you know, we

685
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.960
can then calculate the speed of the
object and the size of the object.

686
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:01.320
So we looked at the possibility of
a moving object. But if you look

687
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.400
at if the object is it goes
frame by frame and across short distances of

688
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:13.719
time, you can't really explain it
with something that moves the speed of a

689
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:19.840
balloon. Because the winds that day
at ground level ground level never exceeded thirteen

690
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.559
miles an hour and up to thirty
two hundred feet. The maximum speed was

691
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.559
eighteen miles an hour, So for
this to have been a balloon, it

692
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:32.599
would have had to been very close
to the aircraft to show the amount of

693
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:38.199
movement it did. And when you
do the lines of sight in the distance

694
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:43.719
it covers, at that point in
time, your balloon has to be going

695
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.559
upwards of around thirty miles an hour, which doesn't you know, there's no

696
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:53.159
way and it changes direction, I
mean it goes against the wind and perpendicular

697
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:58.440
to the wind, so you know, you can't go thirty miles an hour

698
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:02.840
when the wind speed's nowhere near that
m And then for the portion where it

699
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:08.039
goes underwater, I mean, even
with the low resolution, people were saying,

700
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:13.079
it looks like it's going underwater and
coming out of water, because that's

701
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.960
what the video. It does look
like that in the video. If it

702
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:21.920
were to be going under the water, uh, that would mean that it

703
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.599
is at the surface, so the
rangefinder would be accurate in its distance,

704
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:31.920
so you guys could calculate that.
But it also looks like to me that

705
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:37.039
really even when I watched the high
resolution video that you guys have posted,

706
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:44.079
that you can see some splashes too. Yeah, in the report Carl Paul's

707
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:50.480
didn't work on this. There does
appear to be a very minute splash it

708
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.280
it does into the water. It's
very minor. But I mean that,

709
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:59.880
you know what we could There are
drones, torpedoes, et cetera. The

710
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:05.960
can do that. But the thing
about the water that was so interesting is

711
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.639
that not only is it moving underwater
at eighty miles an hour, which there

712
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:15.599
are torpedoes, etc. That can
do that, the object comes out of

713
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:20.320
the water at a high rate of
speed. It slows down a little bit,

714
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.840
so I think it's around this is
for memory, about fifty miles an

715
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.679
hour when it's coming out of water. But that takes a lot of energy

716
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.039
to have an object that it can
actually come out of the water on its

717
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.280
own, And I'm not aware of
anything that could do that. But even

718
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:44.239
if there was. The part that
you just I have no explanation for is

719
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:50.440
when the object splits apart. Now
if yeah, at the end of the

720
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:55.199
video it looks like it splits apart
or some people have speculated and even felt

721
00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:00.440
that another object comes and joins it, But you guys, are sure that

722
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:07.639
it's or you feel that your analysis
has demonstrated that it broke apart. Right.

723
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:13.320
What we did is we did a
frame by frame analysis of the video,

724
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:19.760
and so we're we're looking at individual
pixels that make up the object each

725
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.960
frame by frame, and the first
thing we look for is, okay,

726
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.679
did another object come out of the
water and join it? There was no

727
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:30.119
indication of that. What we saw
is actually the number of pixels, and

728
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:36.280
this all occurred within one second.
Within one second, the number of pixels

729
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.239
increased and continued to increase. We
have a graph on it. So it's

730
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:45.719
not like right, random machine machine
noise from the video, because then you

731
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.880
would have a lot of pixels,
fewer pixels, a lot of you know,

732
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.039
blah blah blah. Instead we get
a constant increase in number of pixels.

733
01:00:53.880 --> 01:01:00.639
This heat zone inside the object began
to grow also, and then it

734
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:06.840
was like the heat zones began to
split apart until you had a point where

735
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.719
it was like there were now two
heat zones. And then the next thing

736
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:16.239
you see is the object completely split
apart. And then you can see in

737
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:22.679
the video at regular magnification that the
two objects are traveling next to each other.

738
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:29.199
And that goes on for about ten
seconds. If you have something like

739
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:35.480
a missile that breaks apart or any
object that splits off, right, it's

740
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.239
got to fall behind because it doesn't
have its power source anymore. So to

741
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:45.039
do this, your object has to
be able to maintain two different power sources

742
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:52.559
as it's splitting apart, and so
that you don't have any fallback of one

743
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:57.000
half to the other half of the
object. That makes sense, I mean,

744
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:01.159
and I have like zero explanation when
I when I looked at it frame

745
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.760
by frame, what it looked like. If you're familiar with mitosis and biology,

746
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.480
that's exactly that's what it looked like. It looked like a cell it

747
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:15.000
was beginning to split apart, and
then you had two cells. Yeah,

748
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:20.280
not really weird. So, uh, that's the radar stuff. That's how

749
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:25.280
you came to your determination of its
speed and its location. Now, really,

750
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:29.599
there's a lot of people out there
at like we talked about before,

751
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:34.679
skeptics like ourselves, I mean,
who are looking at this and at first

752
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:38.360
they're kind of thinking, oh,
you know, they're sticking with this kind

753
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:46.719
of balloon idea that that despite you
know, your demonstration of the location and

754
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:53.079
the speed, which to me looks
to be very well done. They're saying

755
01:02:53.119 --> 01:03:00.719
it's probably a balloon because you can't
tell how far this object was, that

756
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:07.239
most likely it was closer to the
plane and moving slowly, And a lot

757
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.559
of guys don't even try to explain
why they think that. But Mark D'Antonio,

758
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:14.440
who of course we've had on the
show quite a bit you guys work

759
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:19.880
with because he's a mofon a photo
analyst. He feels that it's due to

760
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:27.719
anomalies in the thermal imaging system where
objects can kind of disappear on the system

761
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:32.519
due to kind of problems with the
system, and so when it appears to

762
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.880
be going behind objects or into the
water, it's not really doing that.

763
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:44.800
He still hasn't responded to my question
completely when I asked, well, why

764
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:50.039
does it seem to only be doing
this when it's going behind trees or by

765
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.960
the water. Otherwise the entire time
during the flight of this object, like

766
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:58.960
you said, Robert, it's very
distinct. It's a very distinct target that's

767
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.960
very dark, that is moving across
and only when it appears to and it's

768
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:08.760
buy trees that does it fade out
like it would if it goes behind trees.

769
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:16.199
Luckily, now you all have gotten
hold of this flear expert who works

770
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:23.559
he's a defense contractor. He works
on these exact sort of systems, and

771
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.039
he says he agrees with you all
that. In fact, I talked to

772
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.679
him directly and was asking him questions, and he was confused because he was

773
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:39.440
like, there isn't that sort of
problem with these systems. The object is

774
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:43.960
very distinct at one point, and
then when it disappears, it's because it's

775
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:47.559
going behind other objects. That's why. So he seems very much like you

776
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:51.000
do that it did go behind other
objects and into the water, which is

777
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:57.400
really cool because you know this is
an expert who comes to the table afterwards,

778
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:02.679
who is confirming what you all said. How do you all feel about

779
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:12.480
I mean about some of the skepticism
the balloon theory. I mean, has

780
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.519
it made you have double thoughts at
all? Has it made you think that

781
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.880
maybe there is something missing in your
report? Or how have you felt about

782
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.639
that? Let me comment quickly and
then I'll let Morgan comment. Sure,

783
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:28.360
you know, I don't have a
problem with someone if they have a balloon

784
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.119
theory or if they think there is
an anomaly that occurs in the video,

785
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:38.119
But I'd like to see the proof
and the evidence not well, maybe it's

786
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:43.119
an anomaly or maybe a cosmic ray
went through that day and popped out a

787
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:47.000
sell. I mean, they need
to have there's no point in doing all

788
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.719
this conjecturing. They need to do
the science behind it. And that's the

789
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:57.000
part that really bothers me. Take
for example, when the object right breaks

790
01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.920
into two pieces, right, and
you have two parts of it, and

791
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.519
so you want to say, oh, it's a reflection or oh it must

792
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:13.840
be an anomaly for a mirage,
But then one half of the reflection or

793
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:17.480
mirage starts moving away from the other
half the reflection. And then if it's

794
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.960
an anomaly, when that other half
goes into the water for some reason,

795
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:28.599
the other half of the anomaly decides
to stay there. I mean, I

796
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:32.599
my big gripe is just I have
no problem with these kind of things if

797
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:38.760
if you have some reasoning and some
evidence behind it, But just to throw

798
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:45.639
out conjectures on what might happen is
not science. Yeah, I agree,

799
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:50.239
you know, I think what we're
trying to promote here is people to produce

800
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:55.920
their work if they believe, just
like Mark Bantuio, if you believe that

801
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.039
there's something that it is. And
in fact, I hate to use that

802
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:00.920
word, but you know, even
Mark used as well. If you if

803
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.960
they believe that it's this, it's
not about belief, it's that our data

804
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:09.280
is telling us that it's this.
Is that. Let's see your data and

805
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:15.360
your calculations, your you know,
your methods that you used to determine your

806
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:21.039
your hypothesis, and again reiterating it's
just a hypothesis. And somebody was trying

807
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:27.000
to you know that a lot of
people try to you know, you know,

808
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.360
instruct you on what science is,
and I tell them, no,

809
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:35.159
you practice scientific method in many different
forms. Just show your work, show

810
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:41.400
your analysis. You know, sure, alternative hypotheses, that's part of this

811
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:44.880
process, and we're okay about that. But I think we were even told

812
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:46.840
that we were being stubborn about our
conclusion, I think in one of the

813
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:54.719
major magazines in the UK, and
you know, to me, that's just

814
01:07:54.840 --> 01:08:00.280
ridiculous. We're completely open to alternative
hypotheses. We may not agree, but

815
01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.599
we're totally open to that. But
we just tell people, just like Robert's

816
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:10.079
frustration, in any scientists frustration,
to show your work. Don't just snipe

817
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.960
out your idea and tell us we're
wrong, show us, prove to us

818
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:15.399
that we're wrong. We'd like to
see it, and if we're wrong,

819
01:08:15.479 --> 01:08:19.039
we would I know, you know, and that's just part of the process.

820
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:25.039
What's great though, in the aftermath, is that you do have this

821
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:29.159
expert and he says, you know, and I was able to look up

822
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.000
his linked up and see his background, very impressive background. This guy has

823
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:39.479
the highest level of that you can
have as far as maintenance of these sorts

824
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:45.199
of systems. He says he's got
thousands of hours looking at this sort of

825
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:53.039
video and his resume reflects that.
And he's very certain that you know,

826
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:58.039
or he feels very strongly that you
guys are right in your analysis. And

827
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:04.880
also he says the thermal signature doesn't
fit for a balloon either because it's just

828
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:10.399
too hot, it's too different than
to be a balloon. So what's great

829
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:17.880
is this expert opinion is agreeing with
your analysis. And other scientific organizations have

830
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:24.880
given positive feedback as well, n
our CAP and three AF. The French

831
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:30.479
organization has been very positive. I
don't think they've they've felt or expressed any

832
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.279
concern that I know of the unfortunate
part is these guys haven't come forward to

833
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:40.439
publicly say that you've done a great
job. I think that it's in the

834
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:45.760
works. And like this guy I'm
talking about this, this flear expert.

835
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.960
Unfortunately, he fears that, you
know, if his name is associated with

836
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:55.800
the UFO case, it may hurt
him in the future when he's maybe being

837
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.920
reviewed for a security clearance or something
like that. So people are read as

838
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.560
to come forward, and that becomes
a bit frustrating. I mean, I

839
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:12.119
can completely understand their concerns, but
it is frustrating. But incidentally, Rich

840
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.520
Hoffman, who is part of your
group, also works in defense, and

841
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.840
he had security clearances and thus far, and he's been a state director in

842
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:23.279
Alabama for many, many years.
He's been involved with Muffon I think for

843
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:29.479
decades, and thus far, he
hasn't suffered any negative problems as far as

844
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:33.680
I know. Well, yeah,
it hasn't taste even our witnesses, you

845
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:36.319
know, I mean, as far
as it went, they took it to

846
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:42.800
their superiors and and really with their
superiors, then took it to Air Force

847
01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:46.680
intelligence, according to the witnesses,
and they shot it back a couple of

848
01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.760
weeks for a week or so later
they were he wasn't certain of the day,

849
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:55.399
period of time, but it did
come back and they just said they

850
01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:00.760
didn't know and gave them a civilian
phone number to a UFO organizer. Wow,

851
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.520
And so they were confused. You
know, they're still confused with this

852
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:06.840
as like, well, it's an
okay now they talk about it. I

853
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:11.600
mean, do they you know since
giving us this number, does that make

854
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:15.399
it okay for us to report it
now? And it's kind of they're not

855
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:18.199
sure, and so I think you
know, as you you know, you

856
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:20.800
know all Huder, you were familiar
with a lot of the history of this

857
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:27.760
phenomenon and the reporting it went from
complete ridicule and losing your job to today

858
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:31.039
where it's confusion over whether it's okay
to talk about it or not. People

859
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.560
are still people are still scared to
talk about it because they don't want to

860
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:38.880
lose their career and you can't blame
it, and so that makes our process

861
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:44.239
much harder. Just like another we
have a thermal image engineer who works for

862
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:50.760
a major aerospace company and other than
the other expert you mentioned, and same

863
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:54.159
thing with him. He's like,
yeah, I'd love to you guys,

864
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.680
but I can't have my name out
there. I you know, I don't

865
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.960
think right for my career career,
So it's that maybe willing to help us

866
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:05.720
in any questions we have, but
again it's it's very difficult when we're dealing

867
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:14.640
with a very public case to to
get that research on paper. What did

868
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:18.079
the second person tell you? Well, I mean the second person had told

869
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:24.720
me, and you know he's very
knowledgeable in these systems. He says that,

870
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.479
you know, it's it's definitely in
his opinion. On a balloon,

871
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:33.520
he says he's not sure what it
is. He's perplexed. The argument about

872
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:40.520
the mirage is also not true.
With that specific system, it does create

873
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:45.119
what's called a well some people caught
mirage, but it does create some sort

874
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:49.039
of vertical line anomaly. And if
you look into the video and you look

875
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:55.439
directly at the high temperatures of the
jet aircraft sitting on the tarmac, you'll

876
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:01.319
see that that that anominally that that's
the only you know, problematic anomally with

877
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:06.560
that system, and it wouldn't create
dual images like that, and especially in

878
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:11.680
the circumstances you know. That's what
the other guy said too, is that

879
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:18.920
that reflection hypothesis is wrong because that
it's possible that he can be reflected off

880
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:23.520
a very shiny metal, he said, but not off of water, so

881
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:29.279
it's not a reflection. And so
that's exciting. Now we have two people

882
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.680
that are very familiar with these systems
who are agreeing with your analysis, just

883
01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:40.039
unfortunately neither of them can come forward
by name. Yeah. I mean the

884
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:44.199
other thing is there were waves that
day, right, and so it's just

885
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.520
another case of oh, maybe it
was a reflection. I mean, I'd

886
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:54.560
like to hear the explanation of how
I R reflects off ocean waves, you

887
01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:59.039
know, and holds an image.
I mean, it's just I don't understand

888
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:02.880
why they did that. I think
I think some alternative hypotheses are reaching.

889
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:09.479
I think people immediately apply their biases
to these cases. I mean, I

890
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:12.960
told you my bias when I first
looked at it. Everybody has a bias.

891
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.279
But people need to learn how to
check that and be able to test

892
01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.359
all the hypotheses rather than just accept
the one and try to prove it.

893
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:24.960
That's that's not science. You need
to accept and work with all the hypotheses

894
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.920
and then work through it. And
that's what we have to LEA did well,

895
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.640
Thank you, Thank goodness that you
guys got the video on, you

896
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:35.840
got to speak to people close to
the video, because I was at the

897
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:39.119
same place. I was like,
you know, okay, maybe it is

898
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:44.039
a balloon and there's just some kind
of weirdness with the system causing though what

899
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:46.199
looks like to break up. Even
though that looks really weird, and I

900
01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:49.920
was willing to move on, not
that I could do anything else anyway,

901
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:55.520
But that's why it's exciting you guys
got to do this analysis and what you

902
01:14:55.640 --> 01:15:02.920
found, because I'm sure when you
all went into this you weren't necessarily knowing

903
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:08.800
you too. I know that you
two are not the types to go into

904
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:16.520
this and with your mind made up
and to ignore data that's counter to what

905
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:24.359
your belief is not at all.
So I want to touch on one other

906
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.840
thing that you said though, because
this is really interesting is that these guys

907
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:30.800
said, and I want this is
an aspect I wanted to talk about,

908
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:36.159
is that it seems from some of
the information that's come out, and I

909
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:41.159
know you guys struggled with dealing with
this. Like I talked about the low

910
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.960
resolution video coming out. You have
an auxiliary Witnesses section in your report that

911
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.920
talk about some of these others,
But it seems like people on the base

912
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:57.199
were excited about this video and they
thought it was mysterious and so, like

913
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.439
you said that this is really interesting. They took it to their carriers,

914
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:02.920
who took it to Air Force Intelligence, who gave it back and said,

915
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:08.159
here's the number to a civilian organization. I think then, because that's one

916
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:11.039
of the weird things. A lot
of people have questioned, it doesn't look

917
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:15.279
like this video went through the proper
protocols to be released, But at the

918
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.439
same time, these guys were kind
of given the okay when they're given the

919
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:23.279
video back and told here's the number
to a civilian organization. So weird.

920
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:28.399
Yeah, that's the first thought on
my mind, and that's like what and

921
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.920
that's the same and today they were
just like what do we do with this

922
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.239
now? You know, it's like, you know, the people that are

923
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:38.000
supposed to be telling us what's going
on, you know, you know,

924
01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:41.239
these guys, the pilots are border
patrol, they're supposed to be protecting the

925
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.319
borders, and they're like, what
if this is a spy dron, what

926
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:46.680
if this is something that's not ours? You know, what if it's another

927
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:53.079
country's military hardware. But it's like
no one seemed to care. It's like,

928
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:55.880
you know, everybody at the base
thought it was really interesting. They

929
01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.079
were scared, they were excited.
They they didn't know what was going And

930
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:01.239
that's not the only thing happened.
Al see a lot of things that people

931
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:06.560
just see this narrow incident. There's
a lot of other things, eye witnesses

932
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:11.680
of different things going on at that
time. And we had witnesses in the

933
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.159
tower who saw the whole thing happen, but they're not willing to talk to

934
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:19.000
us, and they affirm, they
confirmed that they knew about the incident,

935
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:24.159
that they weren't willing to cooperate with
the investigation. And you know, there

936
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.439
was other witnesses off base that saw
things. There was even another pilot who

937
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:30.840
was driving back to the base who
saw lights that shouldn't have been over the

938
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:35.840
base at that time at that altitude, that passed over at low altitude.

939
01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:39.600
So there's a lot of things that
have happened, you know, in that

940
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:45.319
area during that time period, and
it's just you know, we're here in

941
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.720
the United States, so we are
limited. So we're hoping in the future

942
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:54.199
this case develops and more people come
forward and we're able to take their data

943
01:17:54.279 --> 01:18:00.640
and analyze it and add it to
it, even the so called rumored videos

944
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:04.800
that maybe out. And so it's
you know, part of our job as

945
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:11.199
scientists and you know, investigators to
look at all the claims and not just

946
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:14.920
ignore it or throw it out because
we're sitting here on YouTube or you know,

947
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:20.039
as I call Facebook scientists and make
a decision by you know, putting

948
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:26.479
up a few posts. We would
to encourage people to either support or you

949
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:31.840
know, challenge our report, but
produce your own white paper that will,

950
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.119
you know, so we can compare
notes, so we can repeat your annalysis

951
01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:39.279
or a vice versa. That's the
whole point about this and that's what we're

952
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:43.600
trying to promote here as well.
Yeah, getting back to the excitement on

953
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:48.439
the base. You know, one
of the letters that had been sent by

954
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:53.439
someone in the know was to John
Greenwall just like a month or two ago,

955
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:58.000
not too long ago, along with
a high resolution copy of the video.

956
01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:02.399
And it turns out new you announced
this in your report that Morgan you

957
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:05.960
had also received a very well it
looks like it's the same letter. It's

958
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:13.039
very very slightly different and the letter
seemed to be someone who was really excited,

959
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:16.880
and this was someone in the know, because before your report, everybody

960
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:21.239
thought it was a helicopter that took
this video, because there was assumptions made

961
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:26.159
online that that was the case.
But in this letter, this guy came

962
01:19:26.199 --> 01:19:30.479
out and said it was a DHC
eight. He named the exact sort of

963
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.359
thermal imaging system, and he went
so far as to say, this is

964
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:40.479
proof that there are aliens in Puerto
Rico and an alien base under the water

965
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:45.239
near Puerto Rico. And this person, in order to know that that much

966
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:49.960
detail, you would think possibly is
on the base or a friend to someone

967
01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:57.560
on the base. I'm pretty certain
that that individual is likely the same individual

968
01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:01.680
that was posting on YouTube, created
a specific account to comment on the leak

969
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:10.680
videos and continue to send mail out
even I think this anonymous individual which is

970
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:13.840
not our witness, And we asked
our witness, is this you? And

971
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.199
let him know? And I showed
him the letters and I said, are

972
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:18.319
you sure this isn't you? Please
tell us the truth and he's like,

973
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.439
absolutely not, I did not do
this. And he says, I think

974
01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:26.199
I know who. I have an
idea, and so I started following that

975
01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:30.520
trail down and this guy was and
I believe was another pilot all on that

976
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:36.000
base that from the same aircraft is
yeah, and he retired not too long

977
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:41.720
ago, so he's kind of hard
to find out, but yeah, he

978
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.840
was working out. He was there
as a border patrol. And I believe

979
01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.399
that that guy who you know again, people say, oh, he said

980
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:50.880
aliens and this and that, and
he said, look, that's a witness

981
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:55.800
and he's that's his opinion. It
has nothing to do with his testimony that

982
01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:00.359
he was able to identify this thermal
system that we had already done to find

983
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.199
independently by ourselves and it hadn't been
out in the public yet. No one

984
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:06.960
else has ever released that we knew
about it beforehand. And this guy starts

985
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.520
saying things that we found out on
our own, and that's when, you

986
01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:15.199
know, the light bulbs went off
and there was like this guy might be

987
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:20.000
somebody that's in the inside at the
time, and you know, again it's

988
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:25.920
yeah, it's circumstantial. It's an
anonymous tipster. And in fact, I

989
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:29.920
got a personal email, just like
John did, from this individual named me

990
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.039
in the email, and I don't
know how he got my information or who

991
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:36.840
gave it to him, but he
he wrote an email directly to me,

992
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:44.439
the same thing with John, so
he was Obviously there's enough excitement that was

993
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:48.960
going on out at this location at
that time that people wanted answers. They

994
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:53.439
wanted to know what was going on, because it wasn't just the one pilot

995
01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:57.079
or the set of four pilots,
the two pilots and the two technicians in

996
01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:00.800
the aircraft that saw this event.
There were other events that this guy means

997
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:05.600
that happened around that or after that. So there was a string of events

998
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:10.600
which probably created this excitement of these
leaks, and they were trying to figure

999
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:14.279
out what find answers. Since they
didn't get an answers from the official sources,

1000
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.039
they started, you know, searching
elsewhere. And I think the leaks

1001
01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.800
that you saw in Puerto Rico were
part of that effort. And I don't

1002
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:24.399
think that it was coordinated because I
don't think they were all aware. They

1003
01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:29.520
were all too afraid to really communicate
an effort to tell somebody about it because

1004
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.600
they were afraid to lose their jobs, and so they were all doing it

1005
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.439
on their own, I think,
and you know, it could have been

1006
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:41.479
two, three, maybe even four
individuals reaching out for the pub and that

1007
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:45.000
is something that you know, your
report is data standing on its own,

1008
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:54.199
which is important in this field because
of course there's a lot of anecdotal information

1009
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:58.880
out there. But what a lot
of people don't know is what you've just

1010
01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:02.960
shared, and I think don't realize
which is there are there is anecdotal information

1011
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:08.560
that comes along with this that probably
for for better, was not in the

1012
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:15.880
report, but that you know,
the consensus there was more than just your

1013
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:21.800
source. Uh, there were other
people on the base or around this,

1014
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:30.960
uh that feel that this object is
an anomalous and strange and your analysis just

1015
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.520
supports, uh that idea. I
think something came up earlier where they were

1016
01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:40.680
a few of us were talking back
and forth with Norcap because they had an

1017
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.920
anonymous source too, and you know, the thought was maybe our source is

1018
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:47.600
their source, and I don't think
so, because the way that I came

1019
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:53.720
across our source was totally indirect and
and you know, my source was had

1020
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:58.239
no intention of linking it to the
public. It was just him showing a

1021
01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:01.680
friend a really cool video. Oh
really, that's exactly how it happened.

1022
01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:09.399
And and and so we weren't approached. It was us approaching a person to

1023
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:15.479
get involved in some sort of effort, and that's when the ball started.

1024
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.279
Brow That's why I said this was
a friend of her friend. This was

1025
01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:25.680
totally casual when we came across the
video, and our source was not seeking

1026
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:31.520
help or identification. He just shared
it with somebody who just happened to be

1027
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.720
an investigator in this field, and
that's that's when it started. So I

1028
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:41.960
think our guys completely separate. So
I guess we've got to wrap this up

1029
01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:45.640
already. I knew the time would
fly, But Robert, I want to

1030
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:50.399
ask you out of everything, all
of the input you had thus far,

1031
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:56.319
and you can tell me whether I'm
wrong or right. It looks like the

1032
01:24:56.359 --> 01:25:04.119
most credentialed people with expertise in the
systems and and with expertise and engineering and

1033
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:09.439
all of these the fields that you
would want to get feedback from, are

1034
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:15.720
very supportive of your research and and
what you've found. That's far. Have

1035
01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:20.039
you seen any gotten any feedback that
does give you pause, that makes you

1036
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:29.279
want to check into something more carefully? Well, you know, anytime you

1037
01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:33.359
want to bring something up, we
try to double check it. But you're

1038
01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:41.239
right, the best positive feedback we've
been getting has been from individuals who are

1039
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:45.119
experienced with this type of equipment,
and they all say, we've never seen

1040
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:50.239
anything like this, can't be this
can't be that we have no idea what

1041
01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:56.520
it is. So that's you know, that's the positive. The The other

1042
01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:01.840
thing I just want to mention Alijandro
is on this whole topic. You know,

1043
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:06.439
as all of us know, the
US government no longer investigates UFOs,

1044
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:14.119
So there's no government organization that we
know of that works on the UFO phenomenon.

1045
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:21.279
But there's also no help for us
when we try to investigate. Right,

1046
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:27.359
there's clearly military radar that's available,
we're not you know, we can't

1047
01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:31.399
get access to that. There's tower
logs that are available, and we can't

1048
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:36.199
get access to that. And none
of this is like national security type of

1049
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:45.840
information. So it's almost like there's
these blinders on and no one wants to

1050
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:51.680
investigate this phenomenon enough on my soapbox. Well you know what that supports though,

1051
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:57.319
what John Alexander says. John Alexander
says, it's like a hot potato

1052
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:01.119
more than anything. Even though he
believes this to be the wrong policy or

1053
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:05.319
the wrong decision to make that a
lot of these guys will be like,

1054
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:08.920
I don't want to deal with it. If it's an unknown, what can

1055
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:13.079
I do with it? That's just
gonna bring me too much heartache. Get

1056
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:15.359
it away, you know, get
away from it as quick and as far

1057
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.560
as you can. That's what John
Alexander says is the state of the military

1058
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:23.800
when it comes to this stuff.
And in this case, you know,

1059
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:29.720
and what you're describing seems to support
that. I agree. All right,

1060
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.880
guys, great work. You know. We'll certainly be in touch with both

1061
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:39.319
of you all going forward, but
really great work. I'm so excited about

1062
01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:43.079
what you all have done. I
think your report is better than I thought,

1063
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:45.600
than I knew it would be good, but it's really good. I

1064
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:49.800
think it's tight. You know,
there's been a lot of people beating it

1065
01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:56.239
up and looking at it, but
your analysis is held up and no one

1066
01:27:56.399 --> 01:28:01.600
has, you know, like you
have said, provided dat to dispute your

1067
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.600
findings. A lot of people have
said, oh, obviously I can dispute

1068
01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:10.079
this in no time, but they
haven't done it yet, although there's people

1069
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:14.600
in process of trying to do that. So I think the next few days

1070
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:17.079
and maybe in the next few weeks
there'll be a lot more analysis coming out.

1071
01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:25.680
What are the next steps to kind
of wait for that. We're continuing

1072
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:30.680
to work on the case. The
publicity that we've obtained from the case has

1073
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:39.399
actually brought us the technician you talked
about who's so familiar with flurs that came

1074
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:44.079
about because of us releasing this case. So we'll continue to work on the

1075
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.479
case and get more information. We're
going to be working with a three AF

1076
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:51.880
Sigma two group out of France.
They've already provided us some feedback which has

1077
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:58.960
been very valuable, and we're going
back and forth with them in a scientific

1078
01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:04.159
type of joint ventures. So I
wish everyone could do it that way.

1079
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:14.479
And I should mention the three AF
is an organization of engineers and aerospace engineers

1080
01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:20.199
and the like in France, and
they actually have a group that works on

1081
01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:28.439
UFO cases and so they're the ones. This is professional, mainstream organization that

1082
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.159
you've been in contact with, and
so far I have been very positive about

1083
01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:39.079
your report. Yes, they had. Do you wanted to add anything about

1084
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:44.560
what's coming up regarding this case?
Morgan? Yeah, No, I really

1085
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:51.439
look forward to the back and forth
with scientific individuals and credential scientists. I

1086
01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:58.000
think this will be a great development
in scientific medical venuepology, if you want

1087
01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:02.720
to call it that. You know, it's it's just a matter of getting

1088
01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:08.920
people together and start, you know, the process. And I'm just hoping

1089
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:13.279
that you know, people get the
right idea of the reason why we're releasing

1090
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:15.279
this and we're not trying to make
books. We're not trying to make fame.

1091
01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:19.600
That wasn't our intent. And I
think a lot of people react that

1092
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:25.199
we know personally that way because they're
so used to that, you know,

1093
01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:29.279
and we're trying to show a new
light or longer. I liked it was

1094
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:35.680
there a long time ago that there
is possibilities of conducting true analysis and even

1095
01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:41.840
very technical. I think one of
the criticisms I got early on in my

1096
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:47.159
work with euthology is that I am
over technical or I'm too detailed. There's

1097
01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:53.359
too much. I say, there's
never enough. The more detail the moral

1098
01:30:53.439 --> 01:30:57.800
analysis. If your report ends up
being four hundred pages, so be it.

1099
01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:00.039
The more you put in there,
the better. And you know,

1100
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:03.720
that's what we need more in this
field. I think we need to learn

1101
01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:09.680
more about this phenomenon, and you
know, we need to start actually,

1102
01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:15.720
you know, learning the scientific details
and the facts about this this phenomenon,

1103
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:21.159
and that's that was the whole purpose
of why we created this SCU page,

1104
01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:26.600
and also so that we could have
that as a foundation to work with multiple

1105
01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:32.239
organizations without any conflict of interest.
All Right, well, great job,

1106
01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:35.720
guys, Thank you so much for
coming on the show and talking about this,

1107
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:42.760
and I'm sure we will be in
touch. Thank you. Thank you

1108
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:45.600
so much to Robert and Morgan for
coming on the show. I think the

1109
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:51.319
effort they've made on this case is
extraordinary in itself. I mean, you

1110
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:55.800
know, no matter what happens with
this, I think what they've done and

1111
01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:01.680
this careful research that they've done is
really exemplary when it comes to investigations in

1112
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.199
this field. I mean, it's
the way things are supposed to be done.

1113
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:09.800
And what they've done is they've put
together a paper with all of their

1114
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:13.840
references, all of their resources,
all of their findings, and put it

1115
01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:16.880
out there so everybody can go at
it, take a look, and dispute

1116
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:20.640
it if you like. But I
think one thing they ask, which is

1117
01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:26.199
fair, is that if you're going
to dispute something in their report, that

1118
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:31.520
you first read the report and second
of all you know, directly cite their

1119
01:32:31.560 --> 01:32:38.680
report as to where they went wrong
and where you may disagree with what they

1120
01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:43.600
have to say, And especially if
you have expertise in any of these areas,

1121
01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:46.439
that would be very, very helpful, because I think these guys,

1122
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:50.800
of course, they would be disappointed
because they've been so excited about this potentially

1123
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:55.920
being an unknown. And not only
they are excited, as we've talked about

1124
01:32:56.159 --> 01:33:03.479
many people with the CBP, we're
excited. Now we have other people excited

1125
01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:10.119
about this, including these these experts
with these systems that can't figure out what

1126
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:14.640
this might be themselves. So now
we have an abundance of expert opinion coming

1127
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:18.479
in and support that this thing is
an unknown. So if you figured it

1128
01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:21.399
out or think you've got it figured
out, you know, it would be

1129
01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:29.960
really helpful and incumbent upon you to
have your tea's crossed and your eyes dotted.

1130
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.560
And I think that would help everybody
out because then we'll be able to

1131
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:38.760
really figure out this mystery but some
great work. I'm so excited about these

1132
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:43.039
guys and what they've done, and
I'm sure we'll be talking about this case

1133
01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:47.800
with them and with others in the
group as time goes on. So thank

1134
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:51.079
you guys so much for coming on
the show and talking about it. Remember,

1135
01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:57.840
you can see the report and also
a suite of FAQs that is being

1136
01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:05.600
updated as questions come in and at
explore SCU dot org. Explore SCU dot

1137
01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:11.159
org and you'll be able to get
all the information you're looking for. And

1138
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:15.039
that's probably something that we don't mention
enough is that they do have, you

1139
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:19.680
know, quite a few FAQs up
there that will answer I think many of

1140
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:25.359
the questions that you may be curious
about. And of course these links are

1141
01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:32.399
embedded in the radio show description for
this podcast and in the story that we

1142
01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:39.520
wrote about this case at Openminds dot
tv, where we kind of of did

1143
01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:45.439
a summary a rather lengthy well for
our stories, not that our stories we

1144
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:48.520
try to keep them from being too
long, since that's the way media works

1145
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:53.920
this these days. The shorter the
better, it seems. But you know

1146
01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:58.680
where I summarized and broke all this
stuff down to talk about their conclusions.

1147
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:03.560
But the report has all of fine
details that you may find interesting. I

1148
01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:09.920
certainly did one hundred and sixty one
pages, so it's not something that you

1149
01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:14.600
can probably get through in an afternoon. You might need the weekend, but

1150
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:18.880
it is well worth it, especially
if you have something to add to it,

1151
01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:26.119
which they are excited to hear from
others who do. So that's it

1152
01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:31.880
for the show. Thank you to
Caleb Hanks, who does the opening and

1153
01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:36.159
close music for us. You can
find a link at the Open Minds Radio

1154
01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:42.359
for his music that he puts out
for free, really cool stuff. I

1155
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.920
really like it. Thank you so
much to Caleb. Also, thank you

1156
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:50.800
all for listening. And don't forget
the UFO Congress is coming up. Really

1157
01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:56.479
cool stuff we just posted this week. I should I haven't even told you

1158
01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:01.079
guys this exciting news yet. We
did some of the speakers this week,

1159
01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:06.039
so we posted about half of them, maybe a little half of less than

1160
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:12.159
half the speakers for the twenty sixteen
UFO Congress and I think it's a really

1161
01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:17.279
exciting list. So check that out. I'll be talking more about that as

1162
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:25.199
time goes on. And one way
you would have known that we posted those

1163
01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:29.720
speakers is if you're on our email
list, because we are sending out emails

1164
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:33.479
regularly. Now. If you're not
on our email list, you can easily

1165
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:38.960
get on the email list by just
going to Openminds dot TV and you'll see

1166
01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:42.840
in the upper right hand corner there's
a little blue box where you can just

1167
01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:46.119
put your email in there, push
submit, and bada boom bata being your

1168
01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:50.960
in If for some reason you can't
get to our homepage, or maybe it's

1169
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:55.239
just easy because you got your mobile
and you just want to shoot us an

1170
01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:59.640
email and tell us, hey,
add this email to your email list.

1171
01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:04.680
We could that too. You can
email us at contact at openminds dot tv.

1172
01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:11.159
But yeah, go to ufocongress dot
com and check out this cool list

1173
01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:15.800
of speakers that we got going.
We'll be talking more about that, like

1174
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:20.039
I said, in the next few
weeks and months before the exciting conference.

1175
01:37:20.279 --> 01:37:27.920
Yay. Anyway, that is it
for the show today. Again, I

1176
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:30.760
apologize for not getting this up earlier. I was not feeling good, and

1177
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:35.359
now that I've been yamoring on at
length, I'm starting to feel a little

1178
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:43.119
funny. So I better go rest. You guys have yourselves a wonderful day,

1179
01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:46.520
and we will talk to you next
week. Audios, mood chuchos,

1180
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:42.960
your motionless sound, the glass of
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