1 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:07,639 Off a weekend that has seen Emanuel Navarati win a tremendous fight in Arizona, 2 00:00:07,679 --> 00:00:13,199 that has seen Anthony Joshua eventually get he has knockout of Robert Hollanius, that 3 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:19,239 has seen another Bandom weight title win free Manuel Rodriguez, and Rayphiel was ringside 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,359 of that. When we're ready to recap all of that, give you fight 5 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:25,559 news, give you nostalgia and more. It is the Fight Freaks Unite Recap 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,320 podcast. Thank you for finding us as part of the Big Fight Weekend podcast 7 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:33,439 feed. Wherever you get your podcast Apple Podcasts, Google podcast, Spotify, 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,880 we come your way off the weekend Sunday night into Monday, depending on when 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,759 you hear the show. Full disclosure, we're doing this late Sunday afternoon. 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,439 It has been over one hundred and eleven degrees with the heat indecks in Tampa. 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,439 I have been in the pool in North Tampa. Rayphael has a story 12 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:54,320 on his own. I know how hot it is there. But you have 13 00:00:54,439 --> 00:01:00,640 a showed you have disregarded. You have decided against a ten doing something on 14 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,200 a Sunday afternoon. First of all, how are you a busy fight weekend? 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,159 How are you how are things. I'm good. It was a busy 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:10,319 fight weekend, real busy. Three three shows took cover in the same time. 17 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:12,879 So, like you said in the intro, I was ringside at the 18 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:19,120 Showtime event headlined by Emmanuel Rodriguez winning the vacant IBF bantamweight title against Melvin Lopez 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:25,439 in a terrible fight and frankly a terrible card unfortunately. But look, I 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,799 went not because I thought it was the best fight of the weekend. All 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 I'm always happy to go ringside and see my fellow ringside colleagues and my friends 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,400 at Showtime and PBC, etc. Because that casino where they held that fight, 23 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,519 at the MGM National Harbor in Oxen Hill, Maryland, is about a 24 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:40,760 half an hour from my home, so it was easy to go over there. 25 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:47,000 But I watched during breaks in the undercard and during the really uninteresting preliminaries. 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,959 I had my laptop, I'm and I was watching the Joshua fight against 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,079 Robert LENNIEUS and writing my story from ringside, and that's how I handle it. 28 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,120 And I even saw a Rayphiel tweet that you were watching the beginning of 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,599 Naparate and Valdez on ESPN from the car in the parking lot, am I 30 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,479 correct on the phone. I wasn't read what the timing was going to be 31 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:14,280 of the events now in terms of showtime, because of the fact that the 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,000 first two fights lasted a less than a total of three rounds and then the 33 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:21,360 main event went twelve rounds though, but they're telecast was done pretty quickly, 34 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,719 so it didn't last like deep into the night relative to your typical better so 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,240 that was not a big thing. So I was resigned to the fact that 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,840 I was probably gonna miss it live and watch it without knowing the result. 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,960 I would have known, I would have like not gone on Twitter or not 38 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,639 check my email. I would have just gone straight to my either my office 39 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,719 for ESPN plus on my computer, gone to my you know, DVR from 40 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:46,919 ESPN whatever. But anyway, the point was I was going to watch that 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:53,800 fight not knowing what happened however, whatever. But I looked at the timing 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,080 and when I got to my car at the parking garage at the MGM National 43 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,680 Harbor getting ready to make my you know, roughly thirty in a drive home 44 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:04,240 with which was easy at night because there's no traffic get at that time of 45 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:08,280 night. Uh. I immediately went onto my phone to see what was up, 46 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,599 and literally as I popped onto ESPN plus his feed of the event, 47 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,240 they were standing in the ring and my man Mark Shanook was doing the ring 48 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,080 introduction. So I'm like, I got the most perfect timing in the row. 49 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,039 So I sort of had to make an executive decision there. So I 50 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,840 had my car on, I got the AC rolling, and I sat in 51 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,719 my car for the next you know, fifty minutes or so. Wait, 52 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,319 I didn't know that I watched the whole fight that way. Oh yeah, 53 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:36,400 you didn't just watch the beginning, make the drive and then come back and 54 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:38,400 go back to the beginning and watch. Okay, watched. I sat in 55 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:43,520 the car and I watched the entire fight. Did anybody come up at any 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,280 point and tap on the windows? Everything? Okay? No? Parking National 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,759 Harbor. There was a million cars there. The place is open twenty four 58 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,400 seven. There was you know, there were still tons of people there. 59 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,599 I mean, I was minding my business. I wasn't like loitering. I 60 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:58,439 wasn't like having like open cans of years. I have to have fun with 61 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:00,039 you. Did you let out a couple of exploit is holy you know what 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,080 on a couple of those rounds, because there was obviously action in the ray 63 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,120 Field automobile. Were you will you shadow boxing a little bit the driver's seat 64 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:12,960 here? What's going on? Come on, I was not shadow boxing. 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,360 I was in my car. The car was running, I had the air 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,639 condition on, the windows were ropping. I'm sitting there and I'm watching the 67 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,680 watching the fight on the same phone that we're doing this zoom to record today's 68 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,680 podcast alone. Let me let me tell you this, by the way, 69 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,439 as far as what you mentioned earlier that I'm skipping something, we were talking 70 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:35,160 about this off the air before we started to tape this, and I told 71 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,560 this to my wife many years ago. You know, when you're married and 72 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,040 you have kids, and you know this because you've got twin daughters. I 73 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,600 have a ten year old son. They have their friends, and there's a 74 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,360 lot of fucking birthday parties. There's always a fucking birthday party. I mean, 75 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,120 there's been weekends are already flying and it's because the birthday party keep going. 76 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,439 There's been weekends where there's two birthday parties, three birthday parties, whatever. 77 00:04:55,759 --> 00:05:00,160 So today not unusual. There's a birthday party that says swim party at 78 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,319 the community pool of one of my son's friends from his one of his activities. 79 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:08,839 And so my wife and my son went to the birthday party from I 80 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,480 believe from four thirty till seven to thirty, which gives us our nice window 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,680 of fight in my house to do this podcast. And uh, but I 82 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,800 told my wife a long time ago, I'll do a lot of things, 83 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,240 and you know, I love my wife and I love my son, but 84 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,240 I'm not doing fucking birthday parties. I'm not doing it now. I'll go 85 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,160 if it's like close friends of ours, like our neighbors or people that were 86 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,759 close to like and they've got their kid having a birthday but day, I 87 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,399 have no problem. I'll go. But when it's like some kids that my 88 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:36,160 friend that's my son's sort of like, you know friend, but you know, 89 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,079 not best buddy or closest friend, just somebody from the activity. Rayphiel 90 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,959 doesn't do that shit for you. Okay, So that's like the undercard fights 91 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,160 birthday parties. If you will, I will say two things. First of 92 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:51,639 all, birthday birthday parties are crazy, especially with little kids. So those 93 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:55,240 are the parents can identify. We get that. We get that. The 94 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,439 second thing is if it's a birthday party at a place now you said, 95 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:01,480 like a community center with a pool, but like for example, I'm gonna 96 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,680 give them a plug even though they don't sponsor the podcast. And I promise 97 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,480 we're getting to the fight recaps in just a second. But you have not 98 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:14,439 gone through torturous. They should use this on trying to interrogate the terrorists. 99 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:18,319 They should make them go to a place like Chuck E Cheese on a Saturday 100 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:21,800 night for a birthday party, because my god, my god, I've done 101 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,120 that. You've done that, and those that are parents that have done that 102 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,079 are nodding along and cheering us on right now on recap because the night that 103 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,279 I was there, there were more people there than we're at some like sporting 104 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:38,000 events that I have been to, and there had to be twenty seven birthday 105 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,040 parties because they were lined around the perimeter of the place with birthday cakes. 106 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,160 And I said to my wife then, much like Raphael, never again, 107 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,759 never again, are we doing this. So Number one, my son says, 108 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:51,879 the pizza at Chucky Cheese is good. We'll teach you all right. 109 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,800 Number two. In April that just passed, we had my son's birthday party 110 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,920 at a kind of a high, kind of upscale bowling alley that also had 111 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,839 games and stuff that was actually a lot of fun. The food was good 112 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:09,160 and parents had a good time. There was a Rayfield was down with that 113 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:12,360 type of birthday party. I like it. Yes, that was the That 114 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:17,240 was the day that the Joe Joyce Zang July fight took place and I lost. 115 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,759 I was able to watch, and then it lost my connection in the 116 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,480 car, so I didn't. I wasn't able to watch until I got home. 117 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,759 I knew what happened. I would have been my wife was driving. 118 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,480 I could have watched it in the car, perfect timing. It didn't work 119 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:30,519 out that way. And uh so, yeah, I don't. I don't. 120 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:32,480 I don't do the birthday party thing. The worst part. You talking 121 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,680 about doing them at places, and parents will know, if they're listening what 122 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,519 I'm talking about when they have it, not at a chucky cheese or a 123 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:43,519 swimming pool or something, when they go to like the climbing place or the 124 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,399 gym mrie type of place, the ball pit, which to me, it's 125 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,120 germ pit. Like I'm washing my hands like eighty six times because I've been 126 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,439 there done that where they jump on the fucking trampolines for forty five minutes. 127 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,319 That's like a that's like a that's like a Petri dish. There was places 128 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,879 but laser tag and I'll get it with the birthday parts, all good stuff. 129 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,680 Let's get to the fights here, Let's get to what happened. Let's 130 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:11,199 start with Navarat Valdez and we'll get it. We'll work chronologically to Anthony Joshu 131 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:13,680 was knockout winning the match Room to Zone card in London, and then work 132 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,120 to your card as you mentioned, where Emmanuel Rodriguez did win the IBF bannom 133 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,360 weight title that he once held before. Tremendous fight and we said, you 134 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,600 said, this has the chance to have fireworks and be really good. Navarante 135 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:31,879 was the better guy. Out slugged as the phrase that I kept using. 136 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:35,240 He out slugged Valdez that I was brutal from about the ninth round on. 137 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:41,279 I was frankly surprised that there wasn't more concerned to stop the fight in the 138 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,559 eleventh or twelfth round, especially because of the eye. Those are my thoughts 139 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Navarante gets arguably, would you not agree the biggest win to this point in 140 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,440 his career. Probably your thoughts on what you saw on the win. It 141 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,240 was as advertised, it was a great fight. Yeah, it was a 142 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,799 terrific fight. I mean, certainly your highest profile win of his career. 143 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,000 And the fact that I thought it was gonna be an action, exciting fight. 144 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,879 It wasn't like I was, you know, uncovering you know, the 145 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:07,720 cure to cancer or anything like that. That's pretty much what everybody thought was 146 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,799 going to be the case. And it wasn't very subtle on behalf of Top 147 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,080 Rank, who had Marco antonio'brera and Eric Morales helping out with the promotion and 148 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,960 being involved in the event as being that people thought this was a throwback to 149 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,679 their great trilogy, which you know I covered in person Fight number two and 150 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,000 Fight number three. Uh, they were, you know, tremendous battles and 151 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,840 they're all time great fighters, and uh, you know, it's wonderful that 152 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,039 you can have that sort of sense of history. We don't do that enough 153 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,480 in boxing. And we talked about a lot of the nostalge on our section 154 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,679 at the end of the show. But when you go to like the All 155 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,559 Star Game in baseball and they have the old timers come out and they introduced 156 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,720 the All Decade team, or they bring out this pass grade from the hometown 157 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,159 that's hosting the game. Those types of things. I mean, so I 158 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,240 wish they did that more in boxing, so having Barrera and Morales part of 159 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,039 it, and then the fight to live up to the expectation from the standpoint 160 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:56,639 of the action. Now, granted, this is not going to go down 161 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,320 as a Barret Morales fight, but it is they bonified, can tender for 162 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,440 the fight of the year. In my opinion, these guys laid it all 163 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,639 on the line. They just threw a bazilion punches. I agree with you 164 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,879 about Oscar Valdez's right eye was so badly swollen and so messed up. I 165 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,840 was kind of disgusted, to be honest, that nobody from the commission, 166 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,000 the doctor never went one time to my knowledge that I can tell, to 167 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,240 either examine the cut or the the in the problem between rounds or at any 168 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,639 point in the fight called the time now to have the doctor examine it. 169 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:28,159 You know, the referee you call it fim out to have him examine it 170 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,879 at any point. And Oscar Valdez's credit, this is a man that would 171 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:35,799 never quit. He'll go out on his shield every time. And I say 172 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,759 that based on his history because I was there in Carson, California in the 173 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,000 driving rainstorm, although I was underneath the arena in the media room because we 174 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,720 couldn't work at ringsidecause it was so rainy, but where he laid it all 175 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,879 on the line and fought Scott Quick, who had come in dramatically overweight. 176 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:54,399 He went through with the fight anyway and fought when he didn't have to fight 177 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,480 and made a twelve rounds, about nine of which he did so with a 178 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,039 badly oken jaw that was wired shot for six weeks after the fact for something 179 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,360 you know in terms of how long it was wired shot. So this is 180 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,159 a guy with a huge heart. And Navarett, by the way, he 181 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,840 got hit with all kinds of clean left hooks all night long, and amazingly 182 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:13,759 he comes out of the fight. He didn't look like he had a glove 183 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,840 late on him. But he took punishment also, but Valdez took more, 184 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:18,960 and it was it was a little surprising to see the scores as wide as 185 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,799 they were. One of the judges had at one nineteen to one on nine. 186 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,039 Lisa Jampa who we'll get into. That, we'll get into. Yeah, 187 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,000 Chris Wilson had its one eighteen to one ten. Zachary Young had at 188 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,879 one sixteen to one twelve. I had at one sixteen to one twelve. 189 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:35,440 That felt like the consensus. There was a few people that had it maybe 190 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:41,399 one seventeen, but but the ten to two, eleven to one seemed a 191 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,519 little disrespectful to Valdez. I kind of get it. He Valdez's best time 192 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,679 in the fight was really those middle rounds, partly when it feels it felt 193 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,879 like that Navarette was having more issues with his damaged right hand, and he's 194 00:11:54,679 --> 00:12:00,720 a degree yes, but uh, in the end, it was a tremendous, 195 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,879 tremendous fight. It was what was advertised. They wanted that kind of 196 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:07,440 fight, they said it before, and they lived up to it. They 197 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,559 fought like the Mexican warriors that we know that they are. They honored the 198 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,639 great legacy of Bram Rows and every great Mexican fighter that fought those types of 199 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:16,279 fights, every great fighter that fought any of those types of action fights, 200 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:20,879 to be honest, whatever their nationality was, but Mexico is obviously such a 201 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,759 big part of the tradition in boxing, and you know, I loved it. 202 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:26,039 It was It was a tremendous fight. The one thing though that I 203 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:31,879 kind of was sort of like, didn't really quite get, is that by 204 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:35,200 the ESPN broadcasters, primarily Joe Tessater, who I have a lot of respect 205 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,559 for it has been a friend of mine for twenty years, was the constant 206 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,639 pushing of a third fight of the of a trilogy fight. But first of 207 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,279 all, before they even had the first fight, and then when the fight 208 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,279 was over, I mean, maybe there'll be a rematch down the road. 209 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,720 And Navarette was asked about that in the post fight interview and he was like, 210 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:52,879 yeah, if the fans want to see it, I'm out fight anybody, 211 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,440 which I'm pretty sure he will. But I'd be less than honest if 212 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,279 I said there was a real need or desire for a Reynax woman. It 213 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,440 was a great fight, but it was one sided enough where it seems like 214 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,759 it would be entirely unnecessary at this point, not to say that there wouldn't 215 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:09,600 be a reason in the future where both guys might come together once again for 216 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,200 different reasons if they earn it or there's a reason to do it, but 217 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:15,639 at the moment, there's not going to be an immediate rematch, and I 218 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,720 don't think there should be, all right. So there's a lot of meat 219 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:18,799 on the bone that you gave me there, all right. So first of 220 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,279 all, navarrote we had some drama. He was scoring early and then clearly 221 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,039 again. And he's had hand problems before, injuries in fights and even having 222 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,639 fights delayed, and I believe it's mostly always been with the right hand. 223 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,519 So he's having a problem. As Tim Bradley observed, he's shaking the hand 224 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,159 after he threw the punch. We even saw one moment where he tried to 225 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,759 pull the glove with the other hand to try to get the padding maybe back 226 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,559 on that knuckle to not hurt as much. And then it became the whole 227 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,879 thing of okay, how much can he use the right hand? Now we've 228 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,000 got some intrigue, brother ray Field. Now, I mean, Kenny use 229 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,600 the right hand. Can Valdez take advantage of that? Well? He went 230 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,639 when times where he stopped using it, I mean, like ninth round, 231 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:01,039 I threw it at all. But you know the great fighters, I've heard 232 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,399 this, they'll say they get a hand injury or something. It hurts when 233 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,799 they do it, they let us settle down. They don't use it for 234 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:07,840 a little while, it kind of calms down, and then they're able to 235 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:09,600 get off in several shots with it before they have to take a little breather 236 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,879 on it again. The biggest thing is he understood I need to make sure 237 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:16,720 I win these championship rounds ten, eleven, twelve, And boy did he 238 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:20,919 ever. He was the busier fighter, the harder punches, and you could 239 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,799 just see him wearing on Valdez his face with what he was doing after he 240 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:28,000 supposedly hurt the right hand, Yeah, go ahead. In the twelfth round, 241 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,600 which has been you know, it's already been a tremendously grueling fight. 242 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,960 He's thrown nearly a thousand punches at that point in Everette has He had maybe 243 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,440 one of his best rounds of the fight in the twelfth round, where he 244 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,519 landed the most punches that were landed in the fight thirty four punches, which, 245 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:48,440 according to the copy box statistics, is the most punches that Oscar Valdez 246 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,759 ever got hit within a single round in his entire career. And look, 247 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,240 we talk about it all the time. Copybox stats do not make or break 248 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:58,759 a fight. But they're a guide, and they're a reasonable guide most of 249 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:03,320 the time. According to their statistics, you have Navarette landing two hundred and 250 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,720 sixteen of one thousand and thirty eight punches only twenty one percent, but a 251 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,519 lot of punches landed, and a tremendous amount of output, like overwhelming amount 252 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,960 of output, and judges noticed that even if not everything is connecting. And 253 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,480 Valdez, who's always been like sort of economical with his punches and usually lands 254 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,080 at a good rate in his defense, actually has improved over the last several 255 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,519 fights since he's been with Eddie Renoso. He landed one hundred and forty a 256 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,480 four hundred and thirty six. He had a much higher percentage and thirty two 257 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,039 percent of landed punches, but he only he threw like way, way less. 258 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:37,159 And when you see a guy windmill and just throw from all angles with 259 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,600 both hands and just landing and throw from the heels and all that, and 260 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,039 you're landing far less, like Valdez landed quite a few punches less. The 261 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,879 judges noticed that it wasn't I didn't think it was a hard fight to score, 262 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,440 So there's no conference here. The only thing I would say is that. 263 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:52,679 You know, it felt like they'll certainly deserve to win more than maybe 264 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,360 two rounds of the fight on the score cards, but never approved this point. 265 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,879 This was his second fight at one hundred and thirty. Ruggled in the 266 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,480 Liam Wilson fight, which was supposed to be him against Valdez back in February, 267 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,000 but Valdez was coming off of an injury and was out. He looked 268 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:10,080 terrible in the Liam Wilson fight. Has great of a fight as it was, 269 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,720 he got knocked down. He struggled the fight before that. He had 270 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,120 a lot of weight problems with bays. Looked like, you know, like 271 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,759 looked terrible in that fight before he finally got him with one shot, was 272 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,960 down on the you know, was head and losing. Uh. But he 273 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,360 he was in shape, it seemed like for this fight, and they both 274 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,039 let it all hang up. They're both in great shape, and you know, 275 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,200 that's a hard, grueling fight to go through. Man. I thought 276 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,360 Valdez he was interesting. Eddie renaults on the corner. I was given Valdez 277 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,799 or early advice, He's gonna wear down Navarrotte because this is what this is 278 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,039 what happens to him. He kept giving him that advice, and what Navarrotte 279 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:45,000 demonstrated, he was in triman to shape because he was the better fighter with 280 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,799 more output down the stretch of that fight. He's a guy that can He's 281 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:52,000 a guy that could go. When he's in that kind of shape. He 282 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,360 could go fifteen rounds. Oh sure. And and I thought the power was 283 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,679 still there. Laid in the fight too with that left uppercut. Especially now 284 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,879 does So showed a good chin but ready Renoso. Look, I think he's 285 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:06,759 been a tremendous trainer for a long time. I felt like he didn't really 286 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,960 give any advice that mattered, like anybody could said. He was a cheerleader 287 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,160 those last couple of rounds. You gotta go out and win the fight. 288 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,880 Well, that doesn't mean anything into what fighter you're you're supposed to as a 289 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,720 trainer. Tell him one or two things how you can win the fight. 290 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,920 You know, use your left to the body, use your you know, 291 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,440 let's try to you know, jab him to the to the you know, 292 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,160 on the right side. You know, let's let's let a lure him in 293 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,960 and counter him. I mean, give him some type of anything, one 294 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,039 or two pieces to hang your hat to tell a guy that just got there. 295 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:34,000 You have to win the fight. That doesn't mean anything. Yeah, 296 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,640 it doesn't mean And I could say that. You could say that, of 297 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,839 course, so that I thought that was not the greatest delivering the pizzas and 298 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,920 the birthday parties of Chucky Cheese. Could say that the trainer aspect of the 299 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,519 corner was not in my in my opinion on that night, it was not 300 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,359 ideal in the in the last rounds where he really Valdez could have used a 301 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,880 more specific piece of advice, not to say it would have worked, because 302 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,359 he was in with a real rough dude. The bottom line. The bottom 303 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:06,480 line is navarant is now twelve and Ozho in the last five years in championship 304 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:08,839 fights with eight knockouts. He needs to start getting a lot of credit for 305 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,200 consistently delivering in title fights and questions some of the competition. But he canna 306 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,920 question a lot of the competition. That's fine, but he's he's one enough 307 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:22,519 and he's been active enough. And that's a two time world champion that he 308 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:26,960 handled. And one of the things that you keep coming back to is he's 309 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,240 long, with the long arms, and he's got that left upper cut and 310 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,319 he was kind of modifying it. Listen to me getting all technical, throwing 311 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,519 it as a hook, sometimes, faking sometimes and throwing it and people obviously 312 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,000 are having a hard time solving it because they can't they can't withstand it when 313 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,640 he's in shape and he's right, And that was another case there last time, 314 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,519 go ahead. He has thought though pretty spotty competition. He's he's had 315 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:49,519 some good wins, like the Ruben Via win looks a lot better now as 316 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:53,240 good as Ruben has developed as a as a solid contender. That was a 317 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,359 good win from that. That was one of the few fights that he actually 318 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,000 went twelve in obviously, you know, he had the two wins over Dog 319 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:00,759 by his other fights. In terms of his defense is a junior featherweight. 320 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,359 We're all against like what I would consider lower level opponents, Nobody that really 321 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,720 was gonna turn your head or make you think they had a chance. You 322 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,839 know, he thought a guy like Joet Gonzalez and Christopher Diaz and featherweight title 323 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,200 defenses, those are good quality, professional, solid opponents, but they're B 324 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,119 level type guys, not an A level fight. He looked terrible against Bias, 325 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,720 who we did defeat, who was also like maybe a C level guy. 326 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,079 Liam Wilson obviously turned out to be a pretty good fighter, but was 327 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:30,319 completely obscure and unknown. And Valdez that's the biggest one he's had. I 328 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,319 think, I don't think we can argue about that. There's no doubt. 329 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:36,200 And to me, the big question is what's going to be next for him 330 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,599 when, because we're pretty sure there's not going to be a rematch. And 331 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,480 one hundred and thirty pound weight class has Now you know, four different guys 332 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,519 with titles. None of them are with top rank, none of them have 333 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,240 big names, at least in this country. So you're talking about a group 334 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:53,920 of champions. O'shaky Foster who has the WBC title, who's just was ordered 335 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,000 to make a mandatory defense. Ye have them. Manuel Neveret Day of course 336 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:03,160 has the WBO title. Joe Cordinia from the UK, he has the IDF 337 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,279 title. That would be a great fight, but that's different promotions. It's 338 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:08,960 different from it's not even different promotions. If there's money, they can do 339 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,880 the deal. But there's not like that. That's not some huge, mega 340 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,680 millions fight. And then you've got the WBA champion, Hector Luis Garcia, 341 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,640 who's in a mandatory situation against Lamont Roach, who that fight I just wrote 342 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:25,000 a few days ago was just has been. He's been given a two month 343 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,359 reprieve in terms of the extension because of an injury. So now at the 344 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,160 earliest that fight would be wouldn't be till October, So there's not a lot 345 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,079 of action let's say at the top of one hundred and thirty pound division and 346 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,119 other guys who have been in that way class most specifically, like I should 347 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,519 cour Stevenson has left the weight division, and even if he hadn't, that's 348 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:48,359 like the worst possible matchup for an Emmanuel Neverette. So I'd still love to 349 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,200 see that fight. I mean, let's make that. I mean, it's 350 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,319 not going to happen, but I would still love to see that fight, 351 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,440 and I would love to see a bigger fight for him. Yeah, it 352 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,359 would be a very intriguing one. I don't know if that's gonna don't. 353 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,480 I don't know this to be the case, but it feels to me like 354 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:03,000 maybe Varette will have like another defense at one thirty and then probably make his 355 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,119 way to one thirty five. I mean, he's had trouble with wait, 356 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,920 no matter what division, he's in and there's a lot more name fighters and 357 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,079 talented fighters, and certainly top rank, not top guys at one thirty five, 358 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,640 So I think he's going to be at one hundred and thirty five before 359 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,160 too long. And for Valdez, he's kind of maxed out in terms of 360 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,759 where he can handle at one thirty, it seems to me. So he 361 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:26,200 could be in a position where if Navarette went up or something like that, 362 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,119 maybe he can go after one of the vacant belts or something along those lines. 363 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,880 But you know, he's not gonna retiring or anything like that. But 364 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,000 his immediate future I think it is sort of it's unclear the type of a 365 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:38,279 point, and he would fight understood on that two more points and on the 366 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,720 Joe Tessatour thing. Again, I do this for a living and I do 367 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:45,400 play by play. I don't know him. I have respect for everybody that's 368 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,359 doing it at the national level. But I've been saying this. I've even 369 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,640 mentioned it one time previously on the podcast. I've been saying it to others 370 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,680 privately. I don't know how much encouragement or egging on he's getting from top 371 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:02,279 rank or others to sell sell sell but one thing that's become annoying is stop 372 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,880 yelling about everything that's happening in the fight, even oh a jab, it's 373 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,160 a jab, you know if he owe a jab. Oh he backed him 374 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,319 up. Yeah, he backed him up. Yell at the right in appropriate 375 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:17,920 times. It almost becomes the point in time when I'm picking up the remote 376 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,160 to turn it down. Is not a good thing because I don't want to 377 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,799 hear yelling about things you don't need to be yelling about. And I get, 378 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,519 but you are to sell. So are the professional play by play among 379 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,839 Yes, us too, So I don't have to comment on that. So 380 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,519 I'm just I'm just saying I get that he's I think some of it is 381 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:40,279 being encouraged to be enthusiastic sell, sell the trilogy. Thing they want him 382 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,240 to say that. They're trying to hype, they're trying to promote. Get 383 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,480 I can say this for certainty, though. Okay, I spent fifteen years 384 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,079 working at ESPN. I did a tremendous amount of television, not play by 385 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,279 play, but I worked on a lot of shows. I co hosted Friday 386 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,440 Night Fights for a couple of years. I made countless appearances on Sports Center 387 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,880 and I will tell you I dealt with a lot of different producers for the 388 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,200 years. Nobody ever told me what to say or trying to try to set 389 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,440 me up. They would tell you what our topics were, where we were 390 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,640 going, but no one ever said we would like you to do this or 391 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,000 we would like to do that. That never came into the place. My 392 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,839 point I'm making is while the producer may mentioned something, it's certainly not top 393 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,799 rank that that is up to the play by play person. And it doesn't 394 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,319 have not just to play by play. It's Joe, it's Tim Bradley. 395 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,519 What he says? What? What? Uh? You know? Any of 396 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:29,880 them say what? Markducer? All of them right right? You know they 397 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,480 think they think for themselves. The point and in one more point on the 398 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:37,119 one nineteen one oh nine, that's Lisa Giampa's card, and I assume this 399 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,599 you're the one that I bowed to and defer to. That's got to be 400 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:44,240 daughter of Chuck Giampa, the long time official in Nevada. And I don't 401 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:48,200 I don't care male or female. We have bagged judge after judge over and 402 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,480 over again on this podcast. That card has to be scrutinized. Eleven one, 403 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,720 because valde has clearly won at least two, if not three, of 404 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:02,160 the middle rounds of the fight, and he clearly won the ninth round of 405 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,480 the fight. In fact, the other two judges that gave Navarati the decision 406 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,480 gave Valdez the ninth round. She did not. That needs to be scrutinized. 407 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:14,160 Explain here we go again with accountability, because when I heard one nineteen 408 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:19,599 one O nine, I'm thinking, you know, that's that's that got caught 409 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,519 up in whatever. I don't know how you just we talked about TJ the 410 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,799 We've discussed this several times over the time we've been doing this show, the 411 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,519 range of acceptable scores, and I feel like one eighteen to one ten is 412 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:36,079 the outer limit of the acceptable score. Another is I don't agree with that, 413 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,440 but I can see that. I mean, Valdez probably had those two 414 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,799 rounds in the middle of the fight that he clearly won. And if you 415 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,000 want to give everything else for different reasons than Everett, maybe you were impressed 416 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,039 by the output even if it wasn't necessarily all landing. I kind of can 417 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,920 get that. But again, it's a range of acceptable scores. So the 418 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,000 range of acceptable scores on that fight. We're probably somewhere between, you know, 419 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,440 on the on the good side for Oscar like I had it, which 420 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,400 was eight to four and perhaps tend to two. And maybe you know in 421 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,799 there are a couple of people with the nine to three, but eleven one 422 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:10,599 is a little bit pissed. Port agreed. This is not a controversial cony. 423 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,160 We just like to piss and moan over. The bad cards are ones 424 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,640 we perceive as being bad. Agreed, And that's why you have three judges 425 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,640 as well. And Mauricio Suleiman, by the way, at that dinner, 426 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,119 I ever tell you this. He is a big advocate in these biggest fights. 427 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,680 And he said it to me. He said, I've been saying it 428 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,599 for years and they won't listen to me. That for the biggest fights have 429 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,920 five judges. That's Mauricio's point, so that if you have an outlier bad 430 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,319 card or two, that it can be offset by other ones. I don't 431 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:37,680 know that that ever gets any traction. I just found that fascinating. He 432 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,920 just said it to me while he was talking to me. Ye, so, 433 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,640 but I don't know. You said that a bunch of times. I 434 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,960 mean, I can't say I'm like one hundred percent a post to it. 435 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,559 I'd like to I'd have to hear like a dissertation about why it's necessary. 436 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,720 I'd also like to know hold on, I'd like to know where they're going 437 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,519 to seek them. The whole point of having right three is you've have four 438 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:59,000 sides of the ring. Am I'm not correct in amateur boxing? Haven't They 439 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,759 had five of f shoals at times in the Olympics and amateur boxing, and 440 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:03,799 you got to come up with the logistics of what you can. By the 441 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,839 way, how do you fit them around the ring? If you think scoring 442 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,319 in professional boxing is a travesty, sometimes the scoring in amateur boxing it sucks 443 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,640 worse than anyone A great great we don't have to go there, all right, 444 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,319 so good enough on that. Let's move on. Let's move on to 445 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:25,079 London and the heavyweight uh Trilogy triple triple header that they had. Anthony Joshua 446 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,920 capped it off. He did get the knockout with Robert Hellenius. Al Right, 447 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,039 my thoughts as I set you up here are he got the win, 448 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,680 he got the knockout. It took nine rounds before he got the knockout, 449 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,319 took seven rounds. Was it seven. My battles seven, it seemed like 450 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,960 nine. Well, we'll double check they took it took a lot longer. 451 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,079 It took a seven. Seemed like seven pagans of the seventh round. Full 452 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:51,640 thank you, Full disclosure that I am in a restaurant literally with my wife 453 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,119 trying to see the end of the fight because we got seed. It was 454 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,599 not chucky cheese on a on a Saturday night, and so I lost around 455 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,319 by the time we got seated, got in and I'm looking at the fight 456 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,240 and then and then he's down. So in any event, it took seven 457 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,319 rounds. Deontay Wilder got him out of there in a fair comparison, in 458 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,200 just one round. I thought Joshua at times looked tentative to let his hands 459 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,000 go, was waiting picking his spots. There is some criticism out there, 460 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,240 including in the British media, that is he ever going to be the explosive 461 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:29,359 Joshua that we've seen before. He ultimately got the big bomb knockout, so 462 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,319 that's the result they wanted. He got that. All right, your thoughts 463 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,319 on that, and then we'll go over the card real quick for the match 464 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,319 Room to z Own show in London. The fact that he went seven rounds 465 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,839 and no way shape or for him gives me a problem at all. He 466 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,359 got the knockout, so what the Deontay got him in one? Deanty Wilder 467 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,519 is one of the greatest punchers in the history of boxing. That happens. 468 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,720 He landed a perfect shot on Robert Lennius and he put him out, and 469 00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,799 it took Anthony Joshua a little longer to do that. It was good for 470 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,599 Anthony Joshua to get those rounds in. Now in this past you know, 471 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,160 several months, he's had the seven rounds against Robert Lenny's, he had twelve 472 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,119 rounds against Jermaine Franklin. As he continues to have to walk back to the 473 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,519 corner and listen to Derek James to his you know, a trainer. Now 474 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,519 they've had two fights together. It's a building process. I'm gonna have talked 475 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:12,880 to plenty fighters to say, you don't really jell with your trainer. It 476 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,240 could be, you know, a couple of years before you really are on 477 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:18,240 the same page. So you know, they're working out a little bit of 478 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,319 an accelerated pace between Anthony and Derek. You know. Look, the other 479 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:26,119 thing about is when people talk about you mentioned like, you know, the 480 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,920 British press bagging on because they don't know if he's ever gonna get back. 481 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,720 You know what he was. I'm here to say and this is not an 482 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,319 insult, this is not a negative. I don't have anything bad, said 483 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,759 Anthony Joshua. I've said this many times on this show. I like Anthony 484 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,480 Joshua as a fighter, as a person, as a personality, as a 485 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:47,799 star. He's good for the game. But what people have to understand is 486 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,799 he's not gonna be that guy again. That guy's gone. He's never coming 487 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,000 back. He's never been the same since the Klitchko fight. And if he 488 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,640 thought he was, he's never been the same then for sure since the first 489 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,920 Indy Rui's fight. But that's okay. Everybody has a level where they go 490 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,440 to at the at the apex and then you know, you start to go 491 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,640 down the hill. To me, it's a matter of how quickly do you 492 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,799 go downhill? So no doubt, I think Anthony Joshua would be the first 493 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:17,359 to admit that he's not the guy that he was when he was packing stadiums 494 00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:21,920 and defending titles and beating you know, pretty good fighters that guy's gone. 495 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,519 Now, it's about what can you still have left to go forward and still 496 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,880 be a significant fighter in this weight class. And he does have that because 497 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,680 of his star power, the right hand that he saw debtonate on Robert Lennis 498 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,680 his chin, he still has flashes of that. So just because he's not 499 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,880 what he was a few years ago, it doesn't this shouldn't be an insult 500 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,839 to say that in for people to wonder, well, where's that guy, 501 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,680 Well, don't be an idiot. The guy's gone. I mean, boxing 502 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,960 and anything in life, time waits for nobody. So this is the version 503 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,119 of Joshua that we have now, and I would say it's anybody just enjoy 504 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:59,599 it because it's still entertaining to watch. There's still a storyline there, there's 505 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:03,599 still drama. And if he didn't like seeing that big bomb, if you're 506 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,200 a boxing fan, that's what people like to watch boxing for is to see 507 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,359 that kind of knock out. You know. And by the way, let 508 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,839 me say also about Robert Lennius. He took this fight on you know, 509 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,759 one week noticed, I mean like a couple of hours after he fought last 510 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,319 Saturday. He came in pretty good shape. I thought, based on the 511 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,160 normal way. He looked so and he gave it a good effort. He 512 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,119 had some moments he I don't I don't think. I don't know what the 513 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,200 final scores were. I think he might have won one round in there if 514 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,119 he if he was if you were being generous. But he wasn't like outclassed. 515 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,000 He's a big guy, he's strong, he's experienced. He's sparred with 516 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,519 Joshua before, so they have at least a little bit of a recognition of 517 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:36,039 one another. And uh, you know, I'm not going to dump all 518 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:40,559 over Joshua because his opponent came to fight. You know. Sometimes his opponent 519 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,279 was bleeding hellenneus from the nose and kept fighting for several routes and bloods. 520 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,599 So you had a little bit of drama there, and you got the knockout 521 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,799 and the end result and two other things. You know, as anybody ever 522 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,559 happy like you can't please everybody. So Joshua was said after the fight, 523 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,480 you know, hey, let me have my let me have my moment here, 524 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,400 you know, let it breathe. You know, I'm paraphrasing what he 525 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,319 said that there's a lot of pressure involved, and he delivered the knockout I 526 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,319 get that, and I was just thinking this when you were saying this. 527 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,799 The Mike Tyson post the Lass to Buster Douglas is the great reference point that 528 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,519 he was never really the same as far as an intimidating force, overpowering force. 529 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,480 After that, then he goes to prison, he comes back after prison. 530 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,079 Certainly the Mike Tyson of the late nineties and the two thousands as he 531 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,039 got older, it was definitely not the same Mike Tyson of the late eighties. 532 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,799 We know this is what happens, is that you're making the Tyson I 533 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,960 covered was the Tyson at the end. Yes, you know when I started 534 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,359 to cover Mike, I mean, you know, I actually joked around with 535 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,039 Mike one time about this. I forget the exact record, but I think 536 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,920 in fights I covered of Mike's he was something like like one in four or 537 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,440 something like that, or you know, one in three minute, no contest 538 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,799 or whatever, because I you know, I came on board and at Usaka 539 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,599 towards the end of his career. But yeah, that happens to every fighter 540 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,480 that there is. You can we can go back and fight along and you 541 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,160 one, we can find a guy and look at his record and find the 542 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,079 line of demarcation. Father Time waits for who for nobody and neither does this 543 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:12,880 show? All right? The Father Time undefeated? Yes, and let's the 544 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,720 rest of this card. All right? First of all, Philip Hrgovic gets 545 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:22,599 the win. Can I just say this, He's been unimpressive in the Jiang 546 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,759 fight and now in this fight. And look, we do need to say 547 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:29,680 this. He had the death of his father, and correct me here if 548 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,640 I'm off on this. Isn't his father, the guy that helped train him 549 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,400 with his career at least has been key to his development. And so now 550 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,319 we're talking about serious stuff, serious life and death stuff that since the death 551 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,039 of his father, he hasn't looked good in either one of these fights. 552 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,039 He was okay in this fight. I thought he should have got McKeen out 553 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,559 of there much earlier. He ended up stopping him in the twelfth round with 554 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,039 the barrage along the ropes. Of course, we once again have this referee. 555 00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:57,319 While we're bagging on people, we have this referee. What is it, 556 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,759 Marcus McDowell, I believe, is the referee. He doesn't jump in 557 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:04,200 there to separate the fighters, He doesn't stop the fight. You got McKean 558 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,119 draped over the road and he lets Hergovich wail with a big rabbit punch to 559 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,119 the back of the head, which is dangerous. That's dangerous on the stoppage, 560 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,960 all right, So there's that stoppage. Give me a thought or two 561 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,119 on Hergovich. Please. Hergovic is a good fighter, but to me, 562 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,200 he's not necessarily an elite fighter that's going to be the heavyweight champion of the 563 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,200 world. But what this win did was one he's better than McKeen. I 564 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,839 mean, even if it wasn't an exciting fight, he pretty much I don't 565 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:30,920 again, I don't know what the exact sport guards where, but he was 566 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:37,000 clearly winning the fight. But it was an incredibly important fight to Philip's career 567 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,559 because now and he already was the IBF mandatory challenger, but now his next 568 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:49,640 fight will be for the IBF Heavyweight Championship unless something absolutely freakish happens, because 569 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,960 he has already been the mandatory based on the eliminator win against Zang July. 570 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:59,079 The IBF doesn't mess around. They've already put the order out saying that that 571 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,559 they will order against Usick pending wins by both of them. I'm not sure 572 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:07,319 why they didn't say that about Dubas. Maybe it's because he's the WBA's a 573 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,840 regular champion, and it's while you have to assume he's going to also take 574 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,639 the IBF belt if he wins the fight against who said the IBF can't say 575 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,679 that till it actually occurs. I guess in any event, his next fight's 576 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,840 going to either be against the winner of that fight, or it's gonna be 577 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,440 for a vacant title unless something freakish happens. So it was a very big 578 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,679 important win for Hergovich, and I'd like to think that when he fights a 579 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:31,960 better guy, maybe he can rise to the occasion. This was a guy 580 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,559 who was a phenomenal amateur, big time amateur record and it's one of the 581 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,239 best in the world for many years. One of a medal in the Olympic 582 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,440 Games, and other than the two fights you've mentioned, you know, he's 583 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,480 looked pretty good in his proper Granted he's not fighting the elite fighters, but 584 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,199 he's a he's a great physical specimen. He does have punching power, and 585 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,440 uh, you know he's gonna get his All you can ask for in this 586 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,599 sport is for you to get your opportunity, and he's going to get that 587 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,079 chance in his next fight. And again, do you buy just one more 588 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,360 quick comment, do you by that maybe part of this is still grieving, 589 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,920 still getting over not having the dad around, and maybe that's part of this, 590 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,320 could be part of it. Yeah, I mean I've never I've actually 591 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,880 interviewed Herkovic a few times, and he speaks perfect English, you know, 592 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,039 even though he's from Croatia, uh, and he's he's he's got a funny 593 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:19,159 sense of humor. But I get the feeling, uh that that that aspect 594 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,719 of what you're mentioning. That's part of it. And also, look, 595 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,159 it's not it wasn't a perfect situation either that he hadn't fought for over a 596 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:30,360 year and McCain was tough too. McCain he did, so he had been 597 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,840 off you know, it'd been since last augustin right, so it'd been fifty 598 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,960 one weeks since his previous fight, which you know, in boxing these days, 599 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,320 unfortunately that's not an eternity. But it's still the longest lay off I 600 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,440 think of his career, and it's you know, it's never good if you're 601 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,800 offered that long. And it wasn't like he was injured, you know, 602 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,599 so, But what happens in boxing, unfortunately, is when you take a 603 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:53,960 lot of fights and you build yourself up and you get to a certain level, 604 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,280 and then you get into a mandatory position, or you get close even 605 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,400 to the mandatory position, it things slowed down because things take time to play 606 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,239 out with eliminators, and then nothing's more complicated and difficult in making the heavyweight 607 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,719 title fights. So he's just sort of been caught up in that a little 608 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,320 bit, all right, You do have it on the rundown. Derek Jasura 609 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,880 did win on a ten round decision against Gerald Washington. I was in communication 610 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,159 with my guys that are writing on Big Fight Weekend dot com, Ricky Carroll's 611 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,280 Sadik Ahmed, and they were they were much worse than I was, And 612 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,320 I just said, you could sum it up in four words, this is 613 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,239 a waste of time. They're giving these guys a payday, neither one of 614 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,199 them or anything other than an aged, faded opponent at this point. That's 615 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,039 we said. You said that on the front end. So well, First 616 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:43,960 of all, they actually put this fight in the co feature slot originally when 617 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,039 the fight was announced, they positioned it as though the Hrgovich fight was the 618 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:50,360 fight before the main event, and then during the week of the fight, 619 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,880 when they sent out the running order, they turn out that they put Shasora 620 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,559 and Washington in that's position, probably because Jasa is a fan favorite of the 621 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,719 Brits and and the other two fighters were not the most well known. But 622 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,079 he didn't get the crowd rev up. There was just not in the action. 623 00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,239 It didn't rev the crowd up. I gotta be honest, I didn't 624 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,239 pay super close attention to that fight because I was I was I was arriving 625 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,519 at the National Harbor. I was watching, uh, you know, one 626 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,480 of the younger guys in an undercard fight. I did have it on my 627 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:20,800 screen. It looked like, you know, two faded heavyweights doing their thing. 628 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,679 I thought I saw a lot of because I didn't score the fight round 629 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,440 by round. So I don't want to bullsh of the people, but I 630 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,440 saw some people on when I looked at Twitter after the fact talking about how 631 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,079 they felt like Jared Washington got robbed in the fight. I can't speak to 632 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:37,239 that, whether it was a good decision or bad decision, but you know 633 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480 what, like you said, in the end the fight, it doesn't mean 634 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:44,079 anything to the from the standpoint of what it has to do at the top 635 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:45,639 level of championship boxing, it sure means a lot. I'm sure to Tasora 636 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,960 and washington U and Chessora. He'll probably fight again. I mean he probably 637 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,440 shouldn't. I mean, I hope it doesn't. You know that it's not 638 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,920 one of these guys that really badly catches up to later in life. But 639 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,320 he's been in a lot of rough, tough fights. He's not getting any 640 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,880 younger, and he's got a lot of losses and certainly he's been active enough, 641 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,639 including with the big payday for Fury which she he gave him what last 642 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,719 year? He should have some money now that should not be the issue. 643 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,440 We don't know these guys finances. Could he should have some money for Yeah, 644 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,639 it's different. It's boxing. I mean a lot of guys day waste 645 00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,440 their money unfortunately. Okay, so there's the heavyweights. Let's move to the 646 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:29,599 card again that you were at the showtime PBC show at the Crisino in Oxon 647 00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:34,079 Hill, Maryland. Again. Emanuel Rodriguez is the winner of the vacant IBF 648 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,360 one hundred and eighteen pound title. The bannamweight world Titley. He previously held 649 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,840 that belt before Naolia in a way lifted it off of him in a knockout, 650 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,119 so he gets it back. I thought, okay, so full disclosure 651 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,119 on our bet US show. I thought at the eleventh hour and the fifty 652 00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:51,719 ninth minute, aka the final seconds of the twelfth round, that I was 653 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,760 going to lose out on the Rodriguez decision. You had Lopez for the upset. 654 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,400 He knocked him down not once, not twice, but three times in 655 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,519 the final forty seconds of the fight. The final knockdown coming in the final 656 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,679 like ten seconds of the fight. I thought I was gonna lose my decision, 657 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,119 pop off the best US show, and it stayed, goes the route. 658 00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:14,159 The referee didn't stop the fight, and it goes the route for Lopez 659 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,559 and it's a decision win. So your thoughts in that last knockdown, you 660 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:22,679 know, the the rule is in boxing like you can't be saved by the 661 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:28,559 bell, including the twelfth and final round. That last knockdown happened in a 662 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,480 time where the bell should have sounded if there was there was no knockdown, 663 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,880 and it went beyond when the bell would have rang so as soon as he 664 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,079 rose at the candle like whatever, it was like eight, immediately they rang 665 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,320 the bell because the round it would have ended four or five seconds earlier. 666 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,039 So that's how long he waited to get those knockdowns. But this was a 667 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,400 terrible fight. It sucked. Let's be honest, we don't bullshit the people. 668 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,599 It was like one monotonous round after another. Melvin Lopez was absolutely inept. 669 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,559 He had no idea what he was doing. I was really disappointed. 670 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,039 I thought he would come to fight a much better fight I gave him. 671 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,599 I picked him just because the number was so great and so tasty, as 672 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,920 you would say, and also I just never have thought, I mean, 673 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,840 I don't disrespect the Mango Rodriguez. I'm not. I don't have anything against 674 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,320 the guy. I've watched a bunch of his fights, and he's never been 675 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,639 a guy that I looked at and said, Wow, that guy's something special. 676 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,960 I just thought he's just a regular fighter and that Lopez would have a 677 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:22,400 chance. But it was sort of like he just he did what he does, 678 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,280 which was one speed, and Lopez had no idea what to do. 679 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,760 He even when he landed, he didn't really seem to have any steam on 680 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920 the punches, and Rodriguez, you know, was able to just do very 681 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,239 basic things score points, and like you said, I thought, here we 682 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,559 go. In the round twelve, he's just gonna play out the last round. 683 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,599 You know, the crowd started booing in like maybe the tenth or so, 684 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,840 because there was like they were just pop bobbing and fainting and doing nothing. 685 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,760 And like you said, in the last forty seconds, he clipped him 686 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,039 and he dropped him, and then of course he was a little discombobulated, 687 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:52,920 so he got him down again and then again He's never like badly hurt. 688 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,840 So I didn't think the referee was derelict than not stopping the fight. I 689 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,480 had no problem with that. And so the exciting part of that entire twelve 690 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,880 rounds was the fact that it was forty seconds of some action. And other 691 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,559 than that one twenty to one oh five, you don't see that at one 692 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:12,400 twenty one oh five on all three cards. The judges couldn't possibly mask that 693 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,480 him. I actually gave Lopez one round in the fight, but that would 694 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,800 probably be the as we say, the realm of acceptable scores either zero rounds 695 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,800 or one round. Did it surprise you though that Rodriguez his right eye was 696 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,679 such a mass with numerous rounds left in the fight, and Melvin Lopez could 697 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,519 not take advantage of it tactically or otherwise. The other thing about it, 698 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,079 Yeah, you're right about that also, And I haven't gone back to look 699 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:39,360 at it, but they told us at ringside that it had been ruled that 700 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,119 had the swelling had been caused by punches from Lopez. The way that the 701 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,199 swelling looked on his eye, in my experience, seemed like had all the 702 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,239 hallmarks from a Headbut so I have not yet gone back and looked at the 703 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,719 showtime tape and analyze whether it was a headbut or not, I'm sure if 704 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:59,599 it was definitively they would have said it. And you know, we were 705 00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:02,639 sitting right behind one of the showtime pr people who would tal turn around and 706 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:06,880 tell us some stuff like that on the broadcast. So they told us that 707 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,760 they had been informed that it was from punches, So we knew that they 708 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,760 didn't have to make us guess. You know, if you're in a place 709 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,800 like in Las Vegas, for example, when there's that type of situation, 710 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,679 the executive director or some other person from the commission assigned to do so, 711 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,440 holds up a sign at ringside that you know, red or agreeing to tell 712 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,079 you if it's a headbutter or punch that type of thing. No such thing 713 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:30,760 in Mary interesting, so we only knew that it was from punches based on 714 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,440 the content that was told to us by one of the showtime people who had 715 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,039 a headset. I'm listening to the broadcast and then being informed of what happened. 716 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,599 But look, he gets to win. Rodriguez, he was very excited 717 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,679 to become another world champion from Puerto Rico, you know, which has a 718 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,920 great boxing tradition. They had gone a little while where they didn't have any 719 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,719 male champions and now they've got four, plus the women's champion Amanda Serranto. 720 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,599 So it was a big deal for him. And now here we go Naya 721 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,519 in a way, who was the number one Bannon Waite. He unified all 722 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:04,920 four titles, including getting one of the belts when he knocked out Rodriguez very 723 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,000 easily in the twenty nineteen during the World Boxing Super Series, put all four 724 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:13,559 belts together first ondisputed bandowight champion of two to three or four belt. Here 725 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:17,199 in fifty years vacates all the titles in January, all becomes splintered. Now. 726 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,800 By Rodriguez winning that title belt, he became the last one of the 727 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,159 belts to be filled in that weight class, and the weight class is very 728 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,880 anonymous right now, there's no specific unification, and I'm desperate to see now 729 00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:35,599 in the aftermath of this fight, and I think this will happen because what 730 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,360 else are they going to do with these guys. They don't have a lot 731 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,280 of places to go on money to make. It seems very likely that the 732 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,480 next fight, unless there's a mandatory that intercedes, which I don't think one 733 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,960 is due at the moment, Amanuel Rodriguez probably will fight Alexandro Santiago, who 734 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,400 won the vacant WBC title against Nono Dunair back a couple of weeks ago on 735 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,400 the Spanson Crawford on it in Las Vengas. It seems logical. What do 736 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,360 we know, It seems logical that would be now in Japan a couple of 737 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,159 days ago, there was actually the IBF elimination fighttor Place, that's I forget 738 00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:07,000 the fighter's name who won, but that becomes his mandatory challenger. But I 739 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,039 don't know if that mandatory is due just yet. So what I'm saying here 740 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,719 is in the bandonweight division, you have Santiago, who you know, showed 741 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,000 himself to have a pretty good performance against Don't Air to win the vacant WBC 742 00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:22,679 title. You have Emmanuel Rodriguez who won that IBF belt on Saturday night you 743 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,440 go to Japan. You have Nyla Anyway's brother, younger brother, Takuma in 744 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,880 a way, who won the vacant WBA title not that long ago, on 745 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,440 the undercard of a bigger fight. And then you have the WBO champion, 746 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,599 Jason Maloney, who won that belt you know from the Australian. You know, 747 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,239 among the two twin brothers, he got that belt. So they're all 748 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,599 good fighters, I guess, but there's no superstars in that group, and 749 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,079 there's no like fights you're dying to see. I don't know, am I 750 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:52,719 correct? Rodriguez beats and Rodriguez beat Maloney back in twenty eighteen and his one 751 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,760 title defense that he lost in a way, so if you follow him again 752 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,440 it would be there would be a rematch angle potentially, but again it's different 753 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,559 promotions. I mean that it was a split decision. They were both in 754 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:07,119 the tournament at that time. I mean, I guess that if you had 755 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,000 to come up with the storyline, it might be it because it was a 756 00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:14,559 split decision and it was super close and blah blah blah. But I mean, 757 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:16,119 who cares, really, I mean, all I'm saying here is this 758 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,599 that bandon weight division in terms of star power and even like pound for pound 759 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,639 talent is bereft at the moment. So good for me. He gets a 760 00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:30,400 big win for his career, for his family, for his country. Leave 761 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,400 me out of it, though, I like that word bereft, all right. 762 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,079 Anything on Gary Antoine Russell and Gabriel mastre Boat scoring quick knockouts again, 763 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,440 you got to the main event quickly, so that's a good thing that allowed 764 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,519 you, as we said earlier in the podcast, to sit in that parking 765 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,519 lot and see the whole Valdez fight because they got to the main event quickly 766 00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,920 with two easy early knockouts. So both of those guys, I'll make our 767 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,000 brief brief comments on the undercard to showtime fights that were the quick HEO. 768 00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,599 So Gabriel my estry is how you say it. He's a two time Venezuelian 769 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,079 Olympian, who's now still undefeated. He's got to draw six and oh with 770 00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,400 one draw, but he's also like thirty six years old. He was brought 771 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,840 in to lose this fight. He was fighting the undefeated Trayvon Marshall, who 772 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,320 was from Capitol Heights, Maryland, which is very close. You know, 773 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,760 it's in the same region as the casino right over the over the river, 774 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,519 so you know it's a DC crowd. They did not bring in Gabriel Astray 775 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:25,719 at age thirty six to lose, I mean, to win against the local 776 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,599 guy. But Gabriel my Astra blitz this dude. They had a competitive first 777 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:34,880 round and what he did was proved that Trayvon Marshall was not ready for prime 778 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,440 time. And I gotta be honest, I mean, I have lots of 779 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,800 good things to say about Showtime. The construction of this card is not one 780 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,320 of them, though, I know, I know was a budgetary sort of 781 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,440 thing. It was a cheap card that was not a fight that should have 782 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,599 been on Showtime. That was a fight that would have normally been like on 783 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,119 the stream or not even televised. But it's very obvious they don't have the 784 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:58,280 money because their shows, the shows that would have had fights on a stream 785 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,400 are now on broadcast. The fight said are the main event like a Lopez 786 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,119 Rodriguez typically would have been the opener on a broadcast or a co future at 787 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,599 best. And now they're headlining these shows because they're you know, they're kind 788 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:12,800 of hiding the fact because they're doing the megafights like Spence and Crawford and Canello 789 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,920 and Charlotte coming up, and they did obviously, you know, Jervonte Davis 790 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,320 against Ryan Garcia, those are all pay per views. I'm waiting for a 791 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,000 big time, a level fight on the network and it's been a while. 792 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,880 And this card was a example of they're trying to make good matchups. But 793 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,800 when you have such an unknown commodity who had no track record, sometimes that 794 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,400 shit happens and you got the guy who's thirty six comes and pummels the local 795 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,960 guy and knocks them the fuck out. But still but still at least they 796 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,400 were knockouts, and at least they were quick. I mean, in the 797 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:49,400 in the matchroom case, the faught that you know this, the fights were 798 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,400 droning on and on with Hrgovich and McKean and then in Washington, so we 799 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,880 can't complain that at least if it was a mismatch, it was over quickly 800 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,800 and spectacularly, and at least had something to talk about. In the case 801 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,039 of Gary Russell, that was a mismatch on paper in my opinion, and 802 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,599 it was a mismatch in the ring. I know Ken Cruize was undefeated going 803 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,199 into that fight, but that was a smoke and mirrors undefeated record. Gary 804 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:15,599 Antoine Russell is a real serious talent. He comes from the family of real 805 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,760 serious talent. His brother, Gary Russell, who turned out to be kind 806 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,960 of disappointing, not because he wasn't talented, but because he just didn't fight 807 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,719 and never really had that seemingly hunger to fight the best guys. But let 808 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,800 me tell you when Gary Junior was coming up and I picked him as a 809 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,199 prospect of the Year back in the day, he's one of the most extraordinary 810 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:36,920 talents I have ever seen. Hand speed as good as anybody that ever lived 811 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,920 in my mind. And Gary Antoine is a better puncher than his brother, 812 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,840 in my opinion, fights in a heavier weight class. You know, his 813 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,320 brother was a featherweight. Gary Antoine is a junior welterweight. Also, like 814 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,880 his brother, was an Olympian. He's now undefeated seventeen and oh with seventeen 815 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,000 knockouts, he can make some serious noise at junior welterweight. I just questioned 816 00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,000 his desire to do that, because, like his brother, this was his 817 00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,920 first fight in thirteen months, and to my knowledge, he was not injured. 818 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,039 He did, I think at one point bypassed the opportunity perhaps to fight, 819 00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,320 you know, for an eliminator or a bigger fight. So I'm not 820 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,960 sure what's gonna happen with him, but in any event, he's still destroyed, 821 00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,039 can cruise in the first round, body shots, uppercots just put him 822 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:19,079 away out of his misery real quick. And I just hope, because I 823 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,599 like watching Gary Antoine. He's a tremendous talent, and he's exciting and he's 824 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,519 talent, is skilled and all that, that he doesn't go another thirteen months 825 00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:29,039 without having a box man. I mean, I hope he fights. I 826 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,239 mean, honestly, here's the reality. He should be able to fight at 827 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,119 least two more times this year. I'm skeptical of fight even one more time 828 00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,039 this year. But he took care of business in a cameo uppearance. Only 829 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:42,280 you're only hurting yourself and your own own marketability. If you're not doing that, 830 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,920 and Gary Russell Junior was a prime example of that, you're fighting at 831 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,079 least when Gary Jr. Was making title defenses, he was making you know, 832 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,920 a lot of money, like at the very worst, high six figures. 833 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,760 I know some of his persons were into the seven figures. His younger 834 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,199 brother, who's never won a world title and as much younger and still undefeated, 835 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,360 he's not making that kind of money. Probably, I don't know what 836 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,519 his first was, but was he making maybe you know, a couple hundred 837 00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:06,760 thousand at the most. I mean, I guess, I don't know. 838 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,320 I don't even know what he was making that much, right, we don't 839 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,960 know. All right, good stuff on that. Let's get some news and 840 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,760 then we're gonna be done with some nostalgia. Match Room Boxing made several announcements 841 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:22,440 upcoming for their events, including on the broadcast, they confirmed that they the 842 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,360 flyweight unification title fight that you were talking about on the preview podcast will Happen 843 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,599 with Jesse Bam Rodriguez and Sonny Edwards Sunny Edwards. Sonny Edwards was going on 844 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,440 and on about Bam Rodriguez didn't come over here to my fight. He didn't 845 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,280 come over here. He didn't pay me respect. Why why would bam Rodriguez 846 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,719 care to come over to England to your fight? We were just selling, 847 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,239 just to sell. But anyway, I saw that particle talk. Sometimes that's 848 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,960 what go ahead, go ahead on the announcements. So that was not an 849 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,840 announcement that was unexpected. What that was already announced that they were fighting. 850 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,159 What was announced specifically what I actually reported a few days ago, which is 851 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,440 that it is a done deal for December sixteenth. It will take place in 852 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,960 Glendale, Arizona, at the same arena, the or Diamond Arena where the 853 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,239 Navarette and Valdez fight took place on Saturday night. So that's a that's a 854 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,239 marquee kind of fight in the small way classes. They're probably the two best 855 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,280 flyweights in boxing. They are both undefeated, they both have contrasting styles. 856 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,440 Sonny's coming from the UK to fight in Bam Rodriguez's home country, and while 857 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,159 he's not fighting in San Antonio, Uh, you know, you can be 858 00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,239 sure that it's gonna be a big time Bam Rodriguez crowd, because obviously you're 859 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,760 fighting a Mexican fighter in a Mexican hot dead location against a brit So, 860 00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,559 uh, you know, good for Sonny to have the stones to do that 861 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,440 and come over here. So that was the That was the marquee fight of 862 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,920 that and the other ones were like okay. So one of them was another 863 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,199 fight I'd reported, which is a good fight, but again sort of like 864 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,920 showtime in a in a world I used to live in, this would have 865 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,800 been like an opening fight, maybe a co feature. Uh. It is 866 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,000 the talented one hundred forty pound fighter Richards and Hitchins, one time Olympian, 867 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,679 taken on the always tough former title challenger and longtime contender Jose Zapeta that will 868 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,719 headline a card on September twenty three in Orlando. These are all regular zone 869 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,880 fights, not pay per views or anything like that. And that card also 870 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,440 will have a women's welterweight unification fight between Jessica McCaskill and Sandy Ryan. So 871 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:13,000 McCaskill had been undisputed. She ended up getting stripped of two of her titles 872 00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:15,800 because she went down and fought at one forty and lost to Chantel Cameron and 873 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,760 Sandy Ryan picked up one of those belts, so now they're fighting unify three 874 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,920 of the titles, but the one Ryan has is the one that that that 875 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,360 Jessica mccaskall never lost in the rings, so you know, you know, 876 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,679 it's still a solid matchup among if you're a women's boxing fan, but you 877 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,679 know, the title situation is a little bit weird because it was her delt 878 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,480 without losing it anyway. And then they have another fight on the card that 879 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:44,039 they announced, which is the always interesting Austin Amo Williams in a middleweight fight 880 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,800 against the experienced Steve Rolls, you know, who got drilled early by TRIPLEG 881 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,719 but gave him some solid competition for a couple of rounds and you know, 882 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,239 a tough, tough journeyman. You know, it's it's not a bad matchup 883 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,199 for Williams. So that was that event for September twenty third in lovely Orlando, 884 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,920 Florida. Maybe you can go cover it for Big Fight Week not too 885 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,800 far from where you live. And then the other one they announced as one 886 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,079 of their Mexico shows, which will take place in Tiahuana, and so it's 887 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:13,920 the lightweight contender Angel Fierro against Brian Zama Rippa. Not a high level show, 888 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,039 but those Mexico shows, while they don't get filled with the big names. 889 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:21,679 I've watched all those Matchroom shows, they always produced good action. And 890 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,800 then the other fight they announced this will be November eighteenth. Eddie Hern alluded 891 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,639 to this back when Diego Pacheco had his last fight, this is the excellent 892 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,559 young super middleweight up and comer that they would take after he won his last 893 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,960 fight, that his next fight would be at home in Los Angeles, and 894 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,840 that's in fact what they're gonna do. So November eighteenth tail headline against Marcello 895 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,400 Cosarras, who people follow boxing closely. No, he gave a very tough 896 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,159 fight to another Matchroom fighter, although back when he was fighting for top rank, 897 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,119 which was Edgar Berlanga, when he fought Edgar Cosarras did that was a 898 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:58,360 fight where Cosarras knocked Berlanga down in the ninth round, but it was also 899 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,840 the fight where Berlanga fought through a a badly uh messed up biceps ended up 900 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,880 having surgery on that. So but Co Sarras is is that's a for Procheco 901 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,000 at this age of care. That's definitely the most credible opponent he's faced. 902 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:15,199 He gave a tough fight against uh edgar Berlanga. He fought for a world 903 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:19,559 title against Billy Joe Saunders and ultimately was stopped in the eleventh round of what 904 00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,639 had been a very competitive fight. So that's at least a good step up 905 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:25,440 for Pacheco, it seems to me. So that's that's pretty solid. But 906 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:29,679 uh, you know, for the for the company that came into this thing 907 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,880 in America, uh, saying they're gonna, you know, put everybody out 908 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:37,000 of business and and sign everybody in all these million, you know, huge 909 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,119 shows and we got a billion dollars, that lineup is not commensurate with that 910 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,639 that braggadociousness. You're being kind on that. That's garbage. Uh, I'm 911 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:49,000 not gonna say it's garbage. I mean, that's not very None of it 912 00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:52,360 is title fights. None of it's gonna make anybody well. The unification with 913 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,119 Sonny Edwards and we gotta wait all the way to to December for that one. 914 00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:04,360 One look, put Sonny Edwards and Router gets aside. That's an excellent 915 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,559 matchup. Clearly, Hitchen Zapada is a nice fight, but it's fight. 916 00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:10,880 No, that's not fair. It's not a garbage. Hitchens is supposed to 917 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,920 demolish him. It's not a fifty fifty Nobody demolishes Jose Zapeta. All right, 918 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,320 that's a bumper sticker or T shirt that you're gonna make, Like nobody 919 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,639 demolishes Nobody puts baby in the corner. You know that reference. It's by 920 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,840 far the best opponent that Richards and Hitty will have facing this career. But 921 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,480 again, that's like to me Co future material fadlining the Mexic Goo fight with 922 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,159 Fero. That fits the bill of what those types of shows are. So 923 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,400 I get that one, but you know, and Pacheco, he is taking 924 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,719 a step up. But come on, it's just not what we expect. 925 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,559 I'm paying two hundred and fifty dollars or whatever it is for my zone. 926 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:51,719 So I pardon my French, I expect more. Period. You don't even 927 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,599 using French there, But all right, so let me say I fucking expect 928 00:55:55,679 --> 00:56:00,639 more. That should also be a bumper sticker. By the way, Canello 929 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,480 and Jamil Charlo will meet with the media for the first time this week as 930 00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:08,000 we released the podcast overnight Sunday and the Monday. They'll meet Tuesday in New 931 00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:15,679 York and then do an amazingly similar thing in Beverly Hills on Wednesday to kick 932 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,119 off the press tour for their September thirtieth showdown. So look for a lot 933 00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,440 of shoulder content from us on Big Fight Weekend dot com. You with the 934 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,639 Fight Freaks Unite substack subsequent podcast. Here comes the media tour, Raphael. 935 00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:31,840 Yeah, so it's on Tuesday. They're in New York City in Times Square 936 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,320 at at a theater there. Unfortunately, these are not open to the public. 937 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:37,239 You know, for a lot of the bigger fights, they used to 938 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,079 have them open to the public. I mean I remember going forward. This 939 00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:45,199 is just one example. When Floyd Madeweather and Oscar Dale Loyo had their massive 940 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,000 megafight, which at the time became the second It set all the records actually 941 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,920 at the time for a pay per view and for revenue and all that. 942 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,599 They did a multi city tour and they actually came to Washington, DC, 943 00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:01,400 where Floyd is immensely popular, very obviously heavily city. Leonard Ellerby, who 944 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:07,239 was you know, his longtime advisor and there not advisor but the CEO of 945 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,119 his promotional company. Anyway, Leonard is from Washington, DC. So they 946 00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,559 wanted to come to Washington. And so what they did was they did the 947 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,519 press tour in Union Station, which is our train station that's right on Capitol 948 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,679 Hill, and there was a million people there. It was incredible. You 949 00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:22,679 know, when Canelo Alvarus fought Floyd and they weather, they had a big 950 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,760 theater, you know, in Washington, DC where they filled it up. 951 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,360 And I remember my wife was going into the city with my son, and 952 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,599 so she drove me to the to the theater where the thing was happening and 953 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,239 dropped me off, and and we weren't quite exactly sure where it was. 954 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,400 And suddenly I realized, yeah, we know exactly where it was because we 955 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,840 took the turn. The line to get in was like all the way down 956 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,920 the street. I said, this must be it, and sure enough, 957 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,280 that's what it was. So they used to and that was just those two 958 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,199 examples. They would do these, you know outdoors in LA and you know, 959 00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,440 big places in New York City, and they would have huge amounts of 960 00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,760 fans turning out because that would really get the word of mouth and really helped 961 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,199 the pay per view. In my opinion, I'm not sure what the reasons 962 00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:00,239 are, but they're not doing it for this fight. They didn't do it 963 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,079 for the Errol Spence Crawford fight. They didn't do it for the Tank and 964 00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:07,639 Ryan fight. To my recollection and have any public availability at these events. 965 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,440 They didn't do it for the Benavides and Plant fight, which another good pay 966 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,320 per view from earlier in the year in terms of the matchup. So the 967 00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:17,360 habit in the theater in Times Square. Then they'll get on their plane and 968 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,639 they'll go to LA they'll have a Beverly Hills press converents on Wednesday, and 969 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,639 from their perspective, it's a good thing for them because not that it would 970 00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:29,280 have made that bunch of a difference, but there was not a lot of 971 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,440 action next week anyway on the calendar. The one fight that there was was 972 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,800 the Better BF fight, which was postponed because of his jaw infection, and 973 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,320 so there's literally no other fights that people are gonna be ramping up for this 974 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:43,320 coming week. So Canello and Charlote are going to have all the boxing oxygen 975 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,480 that they can handle for this fight. Good enough, let's move on to 976 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:53,360 the nostalgia and then we are done. Unfortunately, it's been forty years we 977 00:58:53,440 --> 00:59:00,480 commemorate the death of Salvador Sanchez a fantasty one years forty one years ago. 978 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:06,079 August twelveth of nineteen eighty two, forty one years ago Saturday killed at just 979 00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:10,199 twenty three years of age. Fantastic smaller weight fighter, still to this day, 980 00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:17,679 revered as an icon five decades later. Now, so we commemorate his 981 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:22,280 career, his memory with the anniversary of his death in a car crash. 982 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:29,079 He was he was at the wheel, speeding in a sports car and shocking 983 00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:30,760 that he was dead at twenty three, because this is a guy that could 984 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:37,800 have easily probably fought ten more years and had dozen, maybe a dozen more 985 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,800 important championship fights and gone way too soon back forty years. People should look 986 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,280 it up. Look up with Little Red Lopez, Danny, Little Red Lopez. 987 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,880 Look up the Azuma Nelson fight that we talked about recently that had the 988 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,880 anniversary that was his final fight, and that was what about three weeks ago 989 00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,119 he was killed in the car wreck about three weeks after that Azuma Nelson fight. 990 00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,880 Looked those fights up, peeps in the nostalgia. Salvador Sanchez is one 991 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,880 of the greatest fighters of all time. The fact that he accomplished what he 992 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,559 did and he was only twenty three. Twenty three years old is amazing. 993 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,480 He was forty four wins, one loss, one draw, thirty two knockouts. 994 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:15,800 And to this day, most people say Chavez, Julio Seesar Chavez is 995 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,159 the number one Mexican fighter of all time, and a lot of those people 996 01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:22,880 will tell you Salvador Sanchez is number two at worst. He's certainly in the 997 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,079 top couple, you know, maybe in the long uh, you know, 998 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,880 down the road, and we may consider Canelo, you know, in that 999 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,320 same realm, but in a pantheon of great fighters that come from that country, 1000 01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:38,400 whether it's Barrera, Morales, Marques, Salvador Sanchez, Canello, Chavez, 1001 01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:43,159 Ricardo Lopez. I mean, we can go on and on Napolis. 1002 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:50,599 There's plenty of great Mexican fighters to talk about. Salvador Sanchez is absolutely revered. 1003 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,639 His win over Uh, and we've talked about this, I think before, 1004 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:57,519 I've obsessed over this fight for like ever. Is his incredible victory against 1005 01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:01,239 Wilfredo Gomez, which was really one of the quin essential Mexico Puerto Rico battles. 1006 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,039 I mean, there's been lots of Mexico Puerto Rico fights since then, 1007 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,079 and before then, but that one really set off the rivalry to some degree. 1008 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,960 To make a little more mainstream. That was a massive fight. Gomez 1009 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,519 was the twenty two pound champion, Sanchez was the twenty six pound champion. 1010 01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:19,519 They met at the famed Caesar's Palace Sports Pavilion in an epic fight. Uh 1011 01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:22,159 and uh, I've been a huge Salvadoor Sanchez fan for many years. I've 1012 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,960 you know, people know I collect a lot of memorabili A lot of his 1013 01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:29,159 material is very expensive, hard to find. If you're out there and you've 1014 01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:30,760 got a nice program or poster from the Zoom Nelson fight, hit me up 1015 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,400 because I'm looking for one. If it's a nice shape, I'll spend on 1016 01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:40,000 it. A problem looking for the Nelson Sanchez poster, which would have been 1017 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:46,960 July eighty two, is what you're looking for? A ticket, a program, 1018 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,159 a post or anything from those that was at the garden, So you 1019 01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:53,440 knew your keeps that are longtime fans. Uh. If you're looking for it, 1020 01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,880 let me just say this. When you go back on the YouTube and 1021 01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,719 watch like Howard co Sell, how would co Sell was doing the whole Wide 1022 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:08,679 World of Sports recap of his death and showing the funeral and when they're carrying 1023 01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:14,199 the coffin Dan through the streets in Mexico, whether it's Mexico City or whatever 1024 01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:19,119 his town was, and there are thousands and thousands that are in the streets 1025 01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:23,880 carrying the coffin to the church for the service with the flag over it. 1026 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,400 It tells you what an idol he was. Yeah, they showed it on 1027 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,039 TV, you know, national television. It's like, I mean, I 1028 01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:34,599 don't if it rose to the level of like if you remember when Muhammad Ali 1029 01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:36,800 passed and it was on all the news channels here in the United States on 1030 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,519 the networks, they showed his memorial in the funeral Sanchez died. That was 1031 01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:43,039 sort of what was like. I mean, he was a revered figure and 1032 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,119 he's grown in stature over the years and just an awesome fighter, what can 1033 01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:51,079 you say, period, no doubt. And also an anniversary from this weekend 1034 01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:55,800 of Pernell Whittaker becoming undisputed lightweight champion. That's thirty three years ago, nineteen 1035 01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,079 ninety August eleventh of nineteen ninety for sweet Pee Whittaker the Hall of Famer, 1036 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,639 and it was quick. It was a first round. I've watched this because 1037 01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:08,960 it didn't take very long, the quick knockout of Juan Nazano. Come on, 1038 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,800 TJ, can we learn how to say the fucking names? Please? 1039 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,320 Nazario Nazario one Nazario. Forgive me that he blew out in one round. 1040 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,880 Whether there wasn't a lot notable about him because he didn't last very long, 1041 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,159 he didn't last well. He was a champion going into that fight. And 1042 01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:23,159 this is back in the three belt the year in nineteen ninety. But the 1043 01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:27,840 thing about it is that Pernel Whittaker became the undisputed champion on a first round 1044 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,039 knockout, which is the antithesis of the type of fighter that Pernol Whitaker was. 1045 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:34,840 He's one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time, never known for 1046 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,719 big power, certainly not for a lot of you know, big knockouts, 1047 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,360 and he blew Nazario away. This was in late Tahoe. It was a 1048 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,920 triple header on HBO that was the main event. And you know, we 1049 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,320 talked about like the lineup of fights that he give us these days. So 1050 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,519 that card also had Meldred Taylor in a fight. There was his first fight 1051 01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:52,400 after losing to chab As Senior. That was another fight on that card. 1052 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,719 They had all fight to turn out to be a shitty fight in the ring, 1053 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,360 but on paper was a decent matchup. They had Hector Camacho against Tony 1054 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,400 Baltazar. That was a fight where it was for a w BO one hundred 1055 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,000 forty pound title. This is back in the day when nobody really considered the 1056 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,800 w BO at that point. But nonetheless that was the fight. But that 1057 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,079 was the triple header. But for Pernell to go and do what he did 1058 01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,519 and become the undisputed champion. Remember he was champion at thirty five. He 1059 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:17,800 became a champion at junior welterweight. He became a champion at welterweight, and 1060 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,440 he was so untouchable at welterweight at that time in his career that to find 1061 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,599 some type of competition, he took a one fight jump up to junior middleweight 1062 01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:29,039 and he won a title there too, and just came back down and ended 1063 01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:30,920 up winning all those you know, all those titles, and it was a 1064 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,559 pound for pound number one for a long long time. And you know, 1065 01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:40,000 unfortunately he passed a couple of years ago and tragically in a car accident. 1066 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:43,199 But the thing about when he became undisputed lightweight champion. That was in nineteen 1067 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,639 ninety. No one had become the undisputed lightweight champion since then until Devin Haney 1068 01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:50,239 did it last year and won all four belts. That sounds how hard, 1069 01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,920 you know, and think about all the great lightweights that we've seen through the 1070 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,320 years, whether you know, you can name a lot of top got Oscar 1071 01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,360 Delloy he fought as lightweight, Shane Mosey was a lightweight champion. We saw 1072 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,199 jose Lewi Castillo, we saw Floyd Mayweather, we saw Diego Coralis. I 1073 01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:05,480 mean, you can go on and on. We saw Desli Lomachenko. Obviously, 1074 01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:08,679 Devin Hainey was able to get the job done. But we've seen a 1075 01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:13,519 lot of tremendous lightweights through the years. But uh Parnell was one of the 1076 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,760 best of all time. And that is a fight. And that if you 1077 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,960 want to watch out on YouTube and watch one of the all time greats score 1078 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,079 first unknocket that win a historic fight. It won't take you very long because 1079 01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:25,360 it lasted less than three minutes, no doubt. Check that one out from 1080 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,559 this weekend. With that, I believe that's a full show for you. 1081 01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:33,400 And maybe once again because we've covered everything from big battles with Mexican stars, 1082 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:39,559 to birthday parties, to nostalgia to everything else that's going on. All right, 1083 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,440 listen, great job on this again. We've got a lighter week this 1084 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,119 week without that better BF Callum Smith fight, We'll still be creative and we'll 1085 01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:51,840 still be back with a Big Fight weekend preview podcast for later on this week. 1086 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:57,679 We always appreciate the peeps engaging with us going in and coming off the 1087 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,480 weekend, so I think we'll have to recap thenel first conference and we'll see 1088 01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:03,639 what else is going on this weekend as well, and we might even have 1089 01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,239 an interview you never know, You never never know we might have later on 1090 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,920 in the week. It's all it's all part of why we do what we 1091 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,519 do. Listen, have a good weekdand ray Feield. We thank you as 1092 01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:15,760 always on the Fight Freaks, you unite, recap all my man, talk 1093 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,519 to you later. There is Dan ray Field. I'm merely TJ Reeves again. 1094 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:23,079 Follow, Subscribe, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify. You go 1095 01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,239 into the weekend with the Big Fight Weekend Preview, you come off the weekend 1096 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,960 with the Fight Freaks you unite for recap. Bye,