WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bulbo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:19.839 so light share, subscribe and raid it five story shot and range on Yesterday 3 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:28.879 and listening watching lim always keep its watching And now your hosts, Cliff Berrickman 4 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:33.840 and James Boobo Fay warn Cliff, what's going on? Man? Anything unusually 5 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.560 went on? Oh, I had a kind of a rough night. I 6 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:42.119 went to bed late, like really late, and then I'll sleep. I 7 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:46.439 was out cold, and we got a pretty good not a big nothing like 8 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.560 before, like not that big or we had last year, but we had 9 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:51.560 a pretty good I think it was a four or five. I think they 10 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.759 said it was on an earthquake. Yeah, what time did it? What 11 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.000 time did it hit? I don't know. I think it was like three 12 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:02.320 fifteen, three thirty something like that. So in the middle of the night. 13 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:03.959 You must have been fast asleep at the time. Oh yeah, I 14 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.920 was. I was out and then I woke up and I was still. 15 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.159 I was looking at a seat that we had another one and before that one 16 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:14.239 hit the I haven't noticed this like, I mean, I've noticed it a 17 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.359 couple of times, not like people always say. But dude, the animals 18 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:21.159 were going nuts, dogs barking, the cat was scratching at the door. 19 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:23.439 And then I think about an hour and a half later, we had a 20 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:27.359 like I couldn't really sleep. And then we had another one and it was 21 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:30.000 I think smaller, but it was still pretty good sized one. And then 22 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.799 the animals kept going nuts. I thought, shoot, we're gonna get a 23 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:40.159 we make it a huge one. I got my my earthquakes preparedness kit is 24 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.680 my squatching kit, you know, like sleeping bags and pads and all that. 25 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:49.200 So I got that. I threw together a box of canned food and 26 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.560 stuff, like a couple of big boxes of can food I put on the 27 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.319 upside on the back porch. Yeah, you live in the tsunami zone, 28 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.560 man, I wouldn't want to be at your pad and if something like that 29 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.599 came up, oh yeah, because I mean I live on a one hundred 30 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.680 and twenty year old house on pier and post built on a sand dune. 31 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.599 So I mean people they don't know if you're not from an earthquake country, 32 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.560 and most of people live in an earthquake country don't live on sand well, 33 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.719 a lot of people do. But for how many people are listening to this 34 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.639 around the country. Very few people have lived in a house on sand in 35 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.840 a heavy earthquake zone, and it magnifies it so much more well, and 36 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.680 also brings out that the problem of what is it liquidfaction. I think it's 37 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.000 called where you know, you shake the sand really really good, and then 38 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:37.159 the water gets in between the sand granules and it turns the whole thing into 39 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:39.400 basically quicksand yeah, yeah, and of course you're on top of a big 40 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:44.199 dune or whatever. I'm not sure if there's a bed rock underneath you or 41 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.800 something, but yeah, I'm not sure your your property would be high enough 42 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.919 to avoid a tsunami. You know, if these are thirty or twenty or 43 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.719 thirty foot you know, waves coming in, you'd be toast. They did 44 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.479 every twenty five hundred a year flood, I mean the sunami event. For 45 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:02.120 the all the building permits out here. There is putting in, like the 46 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.319 big wind from the wind energy farms going off short and I'll be built here 47 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:13.759 right here in Humboldt day, like right like half mile from my house literally 48 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.240 or a quarter mile actually, and there's a big blue fin tuna farm going 49 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:23.120 and they approved that and they had to get a lot of because Originally it 50 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.000 was a salmon farm. The Norwegians were coming over and so that like they 51 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.360 were so worried about, like you know, gmo fish getting mixed in with 52 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.520 our wild supply. They had to go to all this stuff, and they 53 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.479 said, well, it's gotta be able to survive a tsunami, you know, 54 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.159 because I'd definitely wipe it out. So they did this twenty five hundred 55 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:44.680 and ten thousand and one hundred thousand year float event or tsunami events, and 56 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.960 at the twenty five hundred year event, they showed the tsunami stopping eighteen inches 57 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.599 from my back door. Oh, then you're perfectly safe our craft. Yeah, 58 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.879 like they had it all charted out. That's pretty funny. Well, 59 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.919 you know, I just looked up the earthquake situation last night. It looks 60 00:03:59.919 --> 00:04:02.840 like you had a four point eight at three twenty am. You had a 61 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:08.879 four point one at three point thirty one am, so just eleven minutes later, 62 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:13.159 and then about an hour and ten minutes there was another one outside of 63 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.599 dunsme or I don't know, it was only three point five. I doubt 64 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.240 you felt that one. But then we go back to the coast again out 65 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:21.319 by Riodell. You had a three point one and then another three point one 66 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:26.000 at six oh four and then seven to fifteen am as well, all on 67 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.439 October sixteenth. I mean those are just aftershocks, I'm sure, but still, 68 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.319 yeah, they were mild. I mean they were mild, but it 69 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.319 got the animals going. That's what had That's what had me so on edge 70 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.399 was I never heard them even when we had those huge quakes that the animals 71 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.519 were quiet. I mean, like, but last night they were loud, 72 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.519 and the animals like, you're not talking about your neighbors. I assume no, 73 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.079 Well they're neighbors, they're neighbors. I mean I'm talking like domestic animals. 74 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:51.199 But I even heard like the shore birds went off last night, which 75 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:56.920 that's rare. I've heard it before, but it's it's rare. Well, 76 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.560 I'm glad you're okay if he done a walk around in the house yet to 77 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.079 see if he was damaged, because you know, just your your house is 78 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.879 kind of damaged anyway, dude. It's yeah, it's that last big earthquake 79 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.879 definitely messed it up. More Like I can barely open and close the front 80 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.519 door. You got to like pull it really hard and slam it a couple 81 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.160 of times, like try to get it all the way closed. Well, 82 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:16.319 I mean, I haven't been to your house for probably like five or six 83 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:21.199 years now, but when I was there, that corner, the southwest corner 84 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.560 was kind of like being reclaimed by the sand dunes. It seemed, you 85 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.680 know it is. Yeah, and I know that you have a woman's touch 86 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:30.759 there now. You didn't when I when I watched them, I was there, 87 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.839 Creta had not moved in yet, but I would give a woman's touch 88 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.240 there. And but there's nothing she could do about that. She ruined it, 89 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:40.920 don't worry ruined it. In other words, it's nice and clean now 90 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.680 and livable. It doesn't got cool stuff everywhere. When you say that, 91 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.519 you know, the first thing that came to mind was that the cartman stuffed 92 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:54.959 animal, completely covered and engulfed in black mold that you weren't going to throw 93 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.800 out. So when you say cool stuff, you mean like garbage that you 94 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:03.120 couldn't even give to good will, right, yeah, yeah, that must 95 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.839 have been tough to admit. Bobo here, you're a good man. Thank 96 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:11.600 you. I just got interviewed by the New York Times. Oh you did, 97 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.399 yeah, yeah, I was a few minutes late for the podcast because 98 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.319 of that, and then a quick emergency at work, real fast. But 99 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.439 yeah, the New York Times called me second time in a couple of weeks. 100 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:24.600 Actually they called me too. They offered me twelve weeks of a dollar 101 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.680 a dollar a week. Oh no, this is this, Perhaps this is 102 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:30.160 different. They wanted to ask me about bigfoot stuff. Okay, a couple 103 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.160 of weeks ago. I guess they have a children's magazine. They're doing an 104 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.839 article on that. And they asked me about the subject or whatever, and 105 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:41.160 then I told them what they wanted to know today. It was, of 106 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:45.800 course a reaction from that Colorado train hoax thing. Oh you know, very 107 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.240 typical sort of New York Times or actually any media stuff like okay, so 108 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:54.079 what are your thoughts on the video? And I told them, well, 109 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.879 it's a hoax. It's clearly a suit of some sort. And here's why, 110 00:06:57.560 --> 00:06:59.680 we don't know who did it. We don't know if it's the RV 111 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:01.639 compnyar of the train itself. We just don't know. But it doesn't really 112 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.800 matter in a way. It's the suit. And then then they said, 113 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:10.879 well, why do you think that this the mystery of bigfoot indoors as well, 114 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.639 because they're actually there, you know, like the same reason that like 115 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.720 this people liking bears indoors, you know, because they're actually there in one 116 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.519 of those things. You know that all the typical sort of questions. So 117 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.759 we'll see what they do. They she did not record the interview. To 118 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.560 my knowledge, she didn't tell me that. So that's that's always a little 119 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.560 concerning. You got you got clip, you got to get to tell them 120 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.720 clippers, I'm going to record this interview. No. I know Matt Preuitt 121 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.519 does that so when when he's misquoted, he can just put it out there 122 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:42.399 and let let people know about it. But you know, I didn't have 123 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.519 time basically didn't set anything up. But anyway, yeah, so who knows 124 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.279 what they'll do, because I'm sure I'll be misquoted somehow, Like God, 125 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:54.000 we had some We had this person from San Francisco in the museum a couple 126 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:58.000 of weeks ago who did an article for it, and she was just going 127 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.439 to sell the article, I guess, and she sold it eventually to like 128 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.279 Travel Portland or something like that, I believe, or will amn't we I 129 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.920 can't remember what it was. But and when it came out, it misquoted 130 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.800 Nico, the manager at the shop. It misquoted him in the article he 131 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.959 referred to Bigfoot as he And it's like, oh gosh, that doesn't like 132 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.480 it. It doesn't make us look good at all. And clearly, I 133 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.240 mean obviously Nico didn't say that. It'd be like if you or me referred 134 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.000 to Bigfoot as he. He does this, it's ridiculous and it makes us 135 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.680 look foolish. But like singular singularly, yeah, like it's an individual instead 136 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.639 of a species, you know. And so I don't know. I always 137 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.200 get nervous, especially doing these larger media outlets like the New York Times or 138 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.480 whatever. It's like, oh, what are they gonna do? What they 139 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.200 how are they going to misquote? If hopefully they won't. I mean, 140 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:43.120 there are some really good journalists, don't get me wrong, But there are 141 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.840 also some journalists that, perhaps through no fault of their own, just because 142 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.360 they're unequainted with the subject, are more than happy to propagate the myths on 143 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.799 accident. I try to put the fear in them by telling them at the 144 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.360 end, I'm like, well, did you record that by chance? Or 145 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.720 are you just going to paraphrase my words. Then they'll use we respond and 146 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:01.840 I'm like, okay, well I did record it. If you'd like me 147 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.399 to send you the file that way, They're like, oh, we better 148 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.000 not misquote. Well whatever, I'll just put it out there saying that, 149 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.840 Yeah, they has quoted me again, but I've done that a couple of 150 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.919 times over the years, So well, I guess they We're going to do 151 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.919 media articles things about possibly relating to the Sasquatch phenomena. Yeah, kind of 152 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.360 a Clobo episode. Clobo, of course, is our power name, you 153 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.519 know, like Brad Jelina or whatever. Clobo is the Cliff and Bobo power 154 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.159 name, power couple name. So it's just us today. We're talking about 155 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.360 news articles that we've either found ourselves or you've sent us and brought to our 156 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.799 attention. And feel free if you want to share news articles that you think 157 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:45.120 are important and perhaps we should talk about. They don't necessarily have to directly 158 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.159 do with Bigfoot, but if we would want them to tie it into Sasquatches 159 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.759 somehow, you can send it to us. You can send it to us. 160 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.919 We couldn't be on podcast at gmail dot com or hey, Matt Pruit 161 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.320 is there a way that people can upload articles besides just copying a link or 162 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.159 something in the contact on our website, or is it just setting us a 163 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.919 link and just send a link to either the contact form at Bigfoot and Beyond 164 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.720 podcast dot com or just send an email to Bigfoot and Beyond Podcast at gmail 165 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.440 dot com. There you go. So that's today. We're going to be 166 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:15.039 talking about some news articles that we've been gathering. We do this kind of 167 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.600 as we go through the news feeds every single day, and whenever there's something 168 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.759 good, Bobo and I or Matt, we kind of send it off to 169 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.799 Matt Pruitt and he puts it in a file. Then we get to talk 170 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:24.399 about it once a month, or once every couple of months, or whenever 171 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.240 we darn will feel like it. It's our podcast, after all, it's 172 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.200 our podcast with the whole audience. Yeah, well yeah, it's it's all 173 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.080 of our podcasts. But we're calling the shots and it's us that we're we're 174 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.159 blabbing. So we're gonna jump into that. So let's see what the articles 175 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.080 are today. Well, let's start with one that grabbed my attention for sure. 176 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:46.320 It's that one. This one happens to be on futurism dot com, 177 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.679 but it was all over the news media. It's rather important news. I 178 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.200 think it's very very interesting and definitely has something to do with bigfoots perhaps or 179 00:10:54.240 --> 00:11:01.799 perhaps not. Scientists find structures from before home th Sapiens existed. So basically, 180 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:09.279 a pre Homo sapien, a pre human hominym was building something out of 181 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.840 wood, and I think that's kind of interesting. This happens to be from 182 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:18.039 Africa. They said it was about four hundred and fifty five hundred thousand years 183 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:26.200 old in Zambia, and it's some sort of wood like wood structure. It 184 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.759 was published in Nature Nature Journals, so the whole study can be found there 185 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.480 if you're interested. So basically, they found that these logs had been like 186 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.399 notched together, you know, like they had been carved out so they would 187 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.240 fit together, kind of like lego pieces or Lincoln logs if you're of my 188 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.879 age and you remember what those things are. And that's really interesting because you 189 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.399 know, we didn't think that they were doing these sort of things, or 190 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.759 at least there's been no evidence so far. And of course the problem with 191 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:58.799 finding evidence of this kind of behavior is that you know, wood, rots, 192 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.039 rocks, that's why you have so many stone tools. You know, 193 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:07.440 these these stone axes, and and you know these chipped away pieces of rock 194 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.080 that they use for scraping tools and things. Those don't rode away rocks, 195 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.000 you don't really get rid of, but would you do so? To find 196 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:22.759 wood of this age that shows evidence of being manufactured and manipulated in order to 197 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.879 fit into one another is extraordinarily rare. We don't know how common this behavior 198 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.360 was, of course, because again there's very little wood of this age. 199 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.039 But in this particular case, these uh, these pieces of wood were water 200 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:39.879 logged and so oxygen couldn't get at them and start eating them away, or 201 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:46.480 the microfauna I guess, the microscopic animals and whatever else in bacteria and all 202 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.360 that jazz couldn't get at the wood and eat it away because these were so 203 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:56.039 water logged and deprived of oxygen. So begs a question who did it? 204 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:00.759 I don't know. Could have been any number of species, But my question 205 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.279 is our bigfoots. Are Bigfoot's doing this? I don't think so. I 206 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.600 don't think so at all. Well, listenings why I opposing thumbs most certainly 207 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.399 right, probably if it's from five hundred thousand years ago, that's not that 208 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.639 that's really not that long ago. I see who would be the culprits here? 209 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.159 You know, I think that's a little late. I could be wrong. 210 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:24.200 I'd have to look up look up some stuff right now, but it 211 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.879 might be a little late for Homo habilists. So we're probably talking about, 212 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.679 you know, Homorectus or something like that. And they definitely had the thumbs 213 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.919 in order enable to do this. Yeah, I don't know did they? 214 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.519 Did they? Bobo? You read this article too, and I start coming 215 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.039 to you right now. I've got the article in front of me. I 216 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.879 can scan it real fast. But I don't remember them suggesting who it might 217 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.960 have been? What kind of hominin? Do you not what I heard? 218 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.360 I heard someone on another interview saying they through and I remember they were talking 219 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.399 about Homo n Ladi also, well Naldi was so it was so isolated. 220 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.399 The only remains we have from the lady in South Africa, and this was 221 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.080 in Zambia. I think, yeah, yeah, that's not exactly though, 222 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.559 that this good distance away, but as possible, someone was saying that there 223 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:15.320 at that same timeframe. But I don't think I think that's pretty unlikely, 224 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.200 but I did hear a guy said that they would have been alive at that 225 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.480 time, and blah blah blah. Yeah, and of course Homo sapiens. 226 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:24.799 There's even a you know, I was thinking when I read this. Recently, 227 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.679 the timeline for Homo sapiens, our own species, has been pushed back 228 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:35.200 pretty considerably. I think that the earliest Homo sapiens at this point are before 229 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.159 three hundred thousand years ago, and that was pushed back pretty considerably just a 230 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.879 couple of years ago. It used to be like two hundred thousand, but 231 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.399 suddenly now it's over three hundred thousand. If these are four hundred and fifty 232 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:52.399 thousand years old or something like that, maybe maybe they're the earliest of Homo 233 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.440 sapiens. Or it could be something like Heidelberginsa's you know, which is very 234 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.720 often like the most recent common ancestor between Sapiens Neanderthals. Yeah, yeah, 235 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.320 they were the predecessors to Neanderthals, last common ancestor there, so yeah, 236 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.320 yeah, maybe those who knows, who knows, Yeah, because it is 237 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.759 pretty recent at the end of the day, five hundred thousand years ago. 238 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.120 It is pretty recent geologically, But what does that really mean. It probably 239 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:22.159 means that these things were staying put, not as they're not moving around as 240 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.399 nomadic sort of tribes or something like that, because building these structures took a 241 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.720 lot of time. They would need tools to build it, and you know, 242 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.559 they're using rock tools essentially at this point, and so they maybe they 243 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.679 weren't as nomadic as the model suggests at this point, which is interesting, 244 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.919 Which is interesting, and maybe that's one of the reasons we don't see these 245 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:48.039 structures from sasquatches, because sasquatches seem to be moving around kind of like a 246 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.200 bear. They move around for all the food sources and kind of have a 247 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.919 roaming nomad and I want to say nomadic lifestyle because that suggests something but kind 248 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.799 of a roaming lifestyle in their territory, and so why would they need something 249 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:07.519 like this. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will 250 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:15.399 be right back after these messages. I get asked this a lot in the 251 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.039 museum. Actually it's like where do they live? Well, wherever they happen 252 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:23.799 to be. But in this case, these structures are suggesting that earlier hominins 253 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.240 or earliest homo sapiens. Don't know, maybe heidelbergenstis maybe erectus, who knows, 254 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.960 Maybe these actually lived at a place at least maybe temporarily, maybe a 255 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.600 seasonally, don't really know, but it's new evidence, and now that this 256 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.639 evidence needs to be incorporated into the model of human evolution here and the behaviors, 257 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.799 which of course is why we call it a theory, you know, 258 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.799 the theory of evolution. It's not like we're wondering if it happened. We're 259 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.559 just figuring out all the details. There's always some more knowledge to add. 260 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:59.000 You're talking about Heidelbergenstus. Did you see that? Are the anthropologists of that 261 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.480 reconstruction of the Heilobergainst's face. You know, when you look at Homo Heidelber 262 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.680 against his skull, it doesn't look very human. But yet that reconstruction that 263 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.279 was just put out recently, if we're talking about the same one, looked 264 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.880 awfully human. And we also don't know about hair covering either, So I 265 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.680 don't know that's one of these things, because there's some people out there that 266 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.519 are purported or at least suggested that sat Neanderthals were completely covered in hair, 267 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:25.200 you know, like a sasquatch and not depicted like a human as they often 268 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:29.400 are. But yeah, the heidelber against is reconstruction. That one in particular 269 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.400 seemed awfully human to me, like more than an anathoal. Yeah, and 270 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:40.119 of course Heidelbergast's has huge browridges. It doesn't look like a human skull. 271 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:44.759 So I thought that perhaps they did what a lot of bigfooters are, in 272 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.160 my opinion, guilty of anthropomorphizing the species a little bit more than perhaps they 273 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.480 should, you know, turning them into humans somehow, because they're clearly not 274 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.200 right. I don't know, but there is a there's a the Smithsonians, 275 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:00.880 the Human Origins department at the Smithsonian. They have a pretty good representation of 276 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.240 it. That probably a little closer, but who knows, who cares. 277 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:07.640 We'll never get to see it with our own eyes, so it's all speculation. 278 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.079 Well. The next article that we're going to look at is from Nature 279 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:19.160 dot com. The title is Ecological social Intrinsic factors affecting Wild Orangutans Curiosity Assessed 280 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:26.640 using a field experiment. Basically, what makes a what makes orangutans specifically a 281 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:33.559 rangutans in this one study, more or less curious how they're able or willing 282 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.079 to explore unusual stimuli in their environments. And of course this is a big 283 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:44.720 deal because everyone knows apes are intelligent, and everyone knows that intelligence brings about 284 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.240 curiosity. The more intelligent people are, the more curious they tend to be. 285 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:52.079 For example, you know, about their environment, and then learning new 286 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.960 things and reading books and exploring the world in general. Right, and clearly 287 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.160 everybody who listens to us is wildly intelligent, otherwise they wouldn't be bothering to 288 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:04.079 listen to what us two folks are saying. But anyway, great apes that 289 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.640 they're very, very curious animals. But they wanted to see, well, 290 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:12.960 what affects this curiosity, what effects the orangutans wanting to come in and explore 291 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.319 things they've never seen before. Orangutans are widely thought to be the smartest, 292 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.480 most intelligent of the apes, so that there are perfect species to kind of 293 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:27.559 poke at a little bit and see an experiment with in this way. So 294 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:36.680 basically what they found is that for most of the time, the orangutans were 295 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:41.400 really reluctant to touch anything new and unusual. But this is interesting, and 296 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.359 this is where we can tie this into sasquatches, I think quite easily. 297 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:52.960 Compared to the adults, juvenile orangutans showed higher tendencies, showed they're more willing 298 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:59.759 to explore and approach these novel items in their environments, but they were also 299 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:07.079 more likely to show signs of agitation. So basically the younger, well the 300 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:12.680 juvenile orangutans would approach these things that these novel things that you know, that 301 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.680 were put out into the environment that they've never seen before. The juveniles were 302 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:22.240 more willing and able, and they approached these items of curiosity more often, 303 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:29.599 and after they did, they were more agitated by them, Which is something 304 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.200 that we've been speculating and hypothesizing about with sasquatches for quite a long time, 305 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:40.240 is that the juveniles of the species are the ones who are more apt to 306 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:45.480 come in close to camp, to make mistakes, to hassle you and harass 307 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.960 you out in the woods, basically coming in close because we're items of curiosity. 308 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.000 I believe that, Yeah, this is one of these mythologies that's kind 309 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:59.720 of grown up in Bigfoot that everybody says but there's very little evidence for. 310 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.119 But we all we all kind of think it's true. For some reason, 311 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.359 and well, here's some evidence that this is true in other ape species, 312 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.240 because we're always it seems to me that we're always kind of basing this assumption 313 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:15.799 of ours on human tendencies, because teenagers are more apt to do to go 314 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.799 poking around at things they shul probably shouldn't be poken around at all animals, 315 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.599 I'd say, that's true. Well, yeah, I don't know, but 316 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.039 it seems to me that we've boys in basing it on humans, like I 317 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:26.440 don't know if the dogs do. I have no idea, really, I've 318 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.480 really thought about it, but it seems to be true with ape species, 319 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:37.160 and I thought it was interesting that they get that that they get agitated by 320 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.640 them more often. So like these younger, younger members of the species will 321 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.119 come in like what is this thing and fool with it and touch it and 322 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:47.599 look at it real good, and then real well, and then and then 323 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.079 they get pissed off about it. That might go a long way. Swarts 324 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.559 explaining a lot of this behavior we're observing in the woods, especially without a 325 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:59.079 sighting connected to it. You go out to a spot you're hanging out, 326 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:02.160 goofing around, playing guitar in the dark or whatever. Just sitting in the 327 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:04.960 dark, or making some weird noises, playing slide whistle, something I've done 328 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.400 quite a few times, you know, throwing a rave in the woods, 329 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:14.400 like we did on finding Bigfoot. The younger individuals of the species are more 330 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.720 apt to come in for a closer look, and then when they find out 331 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.000 what's going on to be upset about it. That kind of a jibs pretty 332 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:26.359 well with the behavior that we've been observing out there. Yeah. Absolutely. 333 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.000 Now, of course, the article does go on to say that the older 334 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:36.640 members like this, the you know, the the adult orangutans, they they 335 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:41.400 mostly just looked. They mostly looked at the apparatus in this case, they 336 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.039 would put things out there like an apparatus out there they've never seen it, 337 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.279 would just observe it. But they wouldn't look as long either as the young 338 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.880 ones. Right, So what could that? Do? We see that in 339 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.559 sasquatch behavior as well, Like the adult sasquatches might stay further away and just 340 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:59.240 observe visually, like seen this before they come out here. They pop up 341 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.079 in those bottles, a bunch of them that start yelling, singing louder and 342 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:06.720 louder, and they all pass out cold. The sasquatches no, like the 343 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.640 older sasquatches, Like I've seen this gig before. These guys come out here, 344 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:14.599 drink those bottles, get loud, then pass out cold, right right. 345 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.680 And of course something else said that the article said is that the availability 346 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:26.200 of food actually also affected their tendency to observe or explore these situations as well. 347 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.680 So maybe if there's less or more food, that could play a role 348 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:34.759 in sasquatches being willing or able to come closer and observe. Yeah, I 349 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.839 think if they have a like that's how I said about Sasquatch are such efficient 350 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:42.440 feeders and eaters, and they're so highly adapted with their whatever environment they're living 351 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:47.400 in. They have the recreational time that they can go observe us that they 352 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.839 don't have to eat twenty you know, like they're not trying to eat sixteen 353 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.680 hours a day or whatever it is, Like they can probably they get an 354 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.799 elk kill, they can. They don't got to be much more gathering food 355 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.519 for a while, so they can they can go watch humans or those us 356 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.240 or you know what I mean. Or if they're starving, like resources are 357 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.599 bad and tight, than they're going to be more tempted to come in and 358 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.359 steal something out of a cooler or a hanging deer at a deer camp or 359 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:14.920 something. Yeah, easy food I think is a nice temptation for them. 360 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.240 But of course, you know, think about yeah, your perspective as a 361 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.440 sasquatch, if you are one listening, if you if you killed a deer 362 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.400 two days ago, you probably still have that deer to feed on, you 363 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.680 know, and you can you have some leisure time. I suppose it's a 364 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.960 nice way to think of it, where you can observe these these weird humans 365 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.599 that come into your spot at a distance for a while and it won't really 366 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:37.640 affect your life, you know, because what mountain lions, I think, 367 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.880 if I remember right, they kill a deer or an elk every week and 368 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.519 a half or something like that, every one or two weeks, and they 369 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.799 make a kill and then they eat on that, you know, for the 370 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.559 next couple of days or whatever. Sasquatches are probably something similar to that, 371 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.000 you know, if they if they're able to take down a deer and elk 372 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.000 once every week or two and of course they probably don't even need to because 373 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.920 I think a lot of their time is spent foraging on other animal species as 374 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.000 well as the plants in the environment. I think that rodents are a large 375 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:12.279 percentage of sasquatch's diet whenever they're available, or raccoons for that matter, you 376 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:18.400 know, raccoons and skunks and possums and that like that size animal I think 377 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.680 is very very often on the menu. It doesn't have to be a deer 378 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.599 and elk. I think deer and elk are preferred, but I don't think 379 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.000 it has to be them, So I mean, how long I guess the 380 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:32.920 raccoons a daily thing probably. I think like sasquatches have thrown off those models 381 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:37.400 of because the herd, like we have the world's biggest Roosevelt elk courage here 382 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.279 in humblet and del North for a long I don't think it is now maybe, 383 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.119 but the herd up to like almost ten thousand and now introduced to like 384 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:51.559 three thousand something less than four thousand, and they were saying it's because the 385 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:55.359 mountain lions were killing like for a while, like the route right in the 386 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.640 core of the park, the mountain lions were killing like an elk every day 387 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.880 because there were so many black pop the black bears. They would even get 388 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.480 to eat. They would even get to finish one meal before they got driven 389 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.960 off of killed by a black bear. I kept telling those guys up there, 390 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:12.359 so you're not these are astounding levels that the mountain lions and bears are 391 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.880 responsible for. Kenny, I just can't believe it. I'm like, you 392 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.400 guys are leaving out the biggest predator of them, all the squatches, Like 393 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:23.400 you're not factoring in those those kills or them power scavenging off a mountain lion 394 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.440 or like that. I think that's why were your models off well. Yeah, 395 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:33.480 and also remember I think California has prohibited the hunting of the mountain lions 396 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.559 maybe in general, I don't think in general. I think it's just with 397 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.680 dogs, no dog huntings since nineteen ninety and the population's exploded, exploded, 398 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.519 yeah, which has driven down all of the praise species and cause a lot 399 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.319 of problems. I know here on my property where I live, we get 400 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.960 mountain lions with a lot of frequency, you know. And last time I 401 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:57.640 haven't checked my cameras in about a month, maybe five six weeks probably, 402 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.680 but we got I know that we had a mountain lion walking down our road. 403 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.240 My neighbor got one on a trail camera. That was at the end 404 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.279 of September, and I haven't checked my camera since. Who knows what they've 405 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.440 been, but they are around all the time. My other neighbors who have 406 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.200 who have cougar tags, well they'll go out and hunt these things and they'll 407 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:21.599 take care of it sometimes. But still, once that vacancy is there, 408 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.319 it's filled pretty quickly. There's a lot of mountain lions around right now, 409 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.359 the whole country. Oh yeah, probably all throughout the country. Moneymaker is 410 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.640 going on about how the deer herds have dropped significantly because the mountain lions are 411 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.200 not being able to be hunted with dogs and whatnots, and there's it's the 412 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.359 only effective way to get a mountain lion essentially, So those are very lucky, 413 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.720 of course. But one of my favorite treats you, money Maker, 414 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.920 was one about this ponytail would confuse the mountain lick because they think he has 415 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.200 two necks. Did you say, what's that mean? He said that he 416 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:03.000 was talking about being pre pair and hiking in southern California. Is solo that 417 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.960 he said that that's one of the reasons, that's one of the reasons he 418 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:07.400 wore when this is when he had long hair. Is that he put it 419 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:14.000 a pointachell because would confuse the mountain lion? Huh okay? Well, anyway, 420 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.880 I thought this was an interesting article. I love learning about orangutan behaviors 421 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.640 because I think a lot of their behaviors reflect that at the sasquatch pretty closely. 422 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.319 Orangutans are very smart animals, very very smart apes, and clearly sasquatches 423 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:36.160 are probably pretty smart too, So I find it useful to look into the 424 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:41.079 behaviors of the smartest of the apes to try to correlate them to sasquatch behaviors 425 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.319 that I may have observed down in the field myself. So stay tuned for 426 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.400 more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these 427 00:28:49.400 --> 00:29:00.559 messages, all right, so we look at the next one is the next 428 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:06.920 article comes from fizz dot org. That's phys dot org science website, and 429 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.079 the title of this article, and of course there's many many different versions of 430 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.640 this article out there from other sources, but the title of this one, 431 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.839 published on August twenty third is new ancient ape from Turkey challenges the story of 432 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.440 human origins. Yeah, I thought that was a little little misleading in some 433 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.279 ways. It actually just talks about there's a new species of ape that they 434 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:32.799 discovered in the Turkey area that's about eight point seven million years old, and 435 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.240 they think that this was a basically an early form of ape that eventually led 436 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.400 to the early hominins. But this is a long time before. This is, 437 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.039 you know, eight point seven million years ago. You know. You 438 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.839 if the hominin line starts with ostralopithesenes, that's about six million years ago or 439 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.160 so. There's a couple of millionaires in between here. But the gist of 440 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:59.599 this article is that some people are so putting out there the hypothesizing that the 441 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.279 like ape species were very prevalent in Europe. We know that, but maybe 442 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:10.279 they started in Europe and diversified and then later moved into Africa where the hominins 443 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.920 developed, you know. And sure, I guess that is human ancestor in 444 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:18.319 a sort of way. But I thought that the title was a little misleading 445 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.359 in that sort of way, you know, because hominins I kind of considered 446 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.640 the human ancestor thing to start around the australopithescenes, you know, all that 447 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.480 stuff before Oreopithecus and all those others like, yeah, okay, they're ape 448 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.559 species and they gave rise to the hominins later. But you know, where's 449 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.920 the cut offline for human origins and all that sort of stuff, because we 450 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.079 can go back to worms and single cell bacteria and stuff, and we're related 451 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.359 to them too. You know. In our recent members only episode, we 452 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.480 did the first installment of Clobo's Book Club, and I talked about the fantastic 453 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.440 book The Real Planet of the Apes by Professor David Began, who argues in 454 00:30:53.440 --> 00:31:00.359 that book that apes evolved in Eurasia, that sort of origin point of apes 455 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.640 and the ancestors of modern apes. And as you see, Professor David Began 456 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.799 is one of the lead researchers on this particular paper, in this particular find 457 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.559 and so I would encourage any listeners to read The Real Planet of the Apes, 458 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.319 a great book. Yeah, it's in my library. It is a 459 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.400 great book. I've not read that, but I've heard it. Everyone has 460 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.960 read it, says you got to read it. Yeah, But back to 461 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.400 the article here, we live in such a time that there's only five or 462 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.640 whatever species of apes out there that are recognized, you know, the chimps 463 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.599 and Bonobo's and orangutans, gorillas, Am I missing one? I mean humans 464 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.839 obviously in sasquatches, but well, gibbons and sims are the lesser apes. 465 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.000 Yeah, yeah, they're the lesser apes. But at one time there were 466 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:49.400 hundreds of different species of apes on the landscape. Hundreds of them existed, 467 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.359 many many hundreds actually, and we probably only know a small fraction of those 468 00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:00.680 that ever existed. And many of these were in Europe. We have fossils 469 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:02.480 of them from Europe. And these guys are saying, yeah, maybe they 470 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:08.240 diversified there and then later traveled into Africa and giving rise to other species, 471 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:14.640 and including our own ancestors, the hominins in general, australopithesenes, et cetera. 472 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.680 But I think the takeaway here, or one of one of the takeaways 473 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.640 here, is that that say, land bridges, we want to call them 474 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.799 that. You know, land bridges are a two way street essentially, So 475 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.160 people are always focused on, say, the migration out of Asia into North 476 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.359 America, but it went the other way too, And in this case, 477 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.279 sure, the apes definitely lived in Africa, but maybe that's not the origin, 478 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.279 and they later moved on to Eurasia. Maybe the other stuff was going 479 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.079 on in eur Asia and then moved into Africa, made more changes, and 480 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.759 then left again. You know these are these are revolving doors of migration, 481 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.160 these land bridges and opportunities to leave one continents and go to the other. 482 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.799 It's not a one way street. Again, It's another exam sample of human 483 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:06.599 thinking being rather inflexible about the way things are. You got to think bigger. 484 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.240 You got to try to think bigger than you're able to and then see 485 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.519 what happens. It's fun. I bet you know. For example, Matt, 486 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.839 maybe you know a broubble. Maybe you know, but for some reason, 487 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.799 I think Matt would know. What are do you know animals that evolved 488 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:23.480 in North America and then later moved into Asia. Horses evolved in North America 489 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:29.000 and made their way into Asia and then had to be reintroduced into North America. 490 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:31.000 Horses, I think, and camels were here at one time. I 491 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:37.119 know that that seems like a question for Nico. I'm calling Nico spatafora right 492 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.720 now. He's a manager of NABC, is a paleontologist. Hey, Nico, 493 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.119 you're on the air with Cliff and Bobo and Matt on a big fan 494 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.279 and beyond right now. All right, So I just called the North American 495 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.480 Bigfoot Center. And this is Nico spatafora. He's a good friend of mine. 496 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.799 He's the manager of the NABC and he is a paleontologist. He does 497 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.279 guest spots at AMZI. He's a dinosaur nerd in general. And so we've 498 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.599 got a question. Ico. We Bobo and Matt are on the line with 499 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.640 me. You can't hear them because I've got headphones on. But at the 500 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:12.000 moment, we're talking about an article talking was mentioning a new species of ape 501 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:17.199 was discovered in Eurasia and talking about the possibility how apes may have developed in 502 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.480 Eurasia and then later moved to Africa, giving rise to hominins. Then later 503 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.400 they dispersed from there. So our question for you, and I think you're 504 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.840 uniquely qualified to answer this, and if not, we'll just cut it all 505 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.599 out because we have editors. But we were wondering about different species that may 506 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:38.360 have arisen in North America and then later traveled across the land bridge into Asia, 507 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:44.039 because we so often think of the animals coming from Asia into North America. 508 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.840 But land bridges are two way streets. So what do you know about 509 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:53.199 animals that actually evolved in North America and then later dispersed into Asia. Two 510 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.559 of the most famous animals that, like most people don't realize because there's no 511 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:04.840 endemic species of the anymore that evolved in North America are horses and camels. 512 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.079 Camels originated here in North America as well as horses and migrated over land bridges 513 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.519 into Asia and Africa and Europe and stuff like that, and then eventually they 514 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.480 ended up dying out in the last extinctions. So there's no more camels and 515 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.400 horses that are endemic to North America anymore, but there are fossils of animal 516 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.039 of those animals that used to be here. All right, very cool. 517 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.159 Any other any other big, glorious animals you want to share with us before 518 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.239 we let you go. That's a tough question. Well, fair enough, 519 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.400 that's why we have an editor, So I'll let you go then. All 520 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.079 right, Thank you very much, Nico. We appreciate you coming on and 521 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.480 have a good day at work. Man, talkt to you soon, okay, 522 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.760 bye bye, Okay. So there you have it, straight from the 523 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.239 extinct horse expert's mouth. Yeah, Nico's about Apora, manager of the NABC 524 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.760 and paleontology nerd extraordinary. He knows his stuff, so yeah, we appreciate 525 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.079 him. Coming on, should we go to the next article? Humans, 526 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:06.320 humans get louder, Monkeys mark more territory. Brazil's pied Tamarin monkeys use scent 527 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.880 marking and vocal calls to communicate, but it's getting more difficult for them to 528 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.199 hear one another. It's too loud or too old. Yeah, so what 529 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.760 are they doing? What are they doing instead of this more scent markings? 530 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:22.440 Yeah, noise pollution has cause them to use scent markings to communicate so they 531 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.079 can compensate for the noise. Taking away with that aspect of it. Yeah, 532 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.599 So all primates, even these little guys or is it a tarsier, 533 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.559 oh, tamarin monkeys. They are cute little guys to you, aren't they 534 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.960 big time? Yeah? But anyway, all primates are vocal in nature. 535 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.320 You know, they vocalize to one another for a variety of reasons, even 536 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.840 these little folks, even the biggest of them all sasquatches, or likely biggest 537 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.000 of them all sasquatches. But as humans have been encroaching upon their habitat in 538 00:36:54.079 --> 00:37:01.239 this various areas, these tamarins have been relying less on their vocal communication and 539 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:06.840 going to scent markings instead. A lot of monkeys have very acute senses of 540 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.960 smell, and they can they communicate in the same way. There's like dogs. 541 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.960 Do you know when you take a dog out for a walk. I'm 542 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.599 assuming everybody knows this, maybe you don't. When you take a dog out 543 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.360 for the walk or something, and it's smelling, smelling the road where ether 544 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.880 our dogs have peed or whatever, they're actually communicating to one another. They're 545 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.400 communicating I have been here, and even sometimes this is the direction I'm traveling, 546 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.639 this is my mood at the time. Dogs can smell. I mean, 547 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.079 as weird as it sounds, dogs can smell time. They can smell 548 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.159 how long it's been since the dog has moved there, that moved through the 549 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.639 area. There is so much information it packed into the sense of smell of 550 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.000 various animals. Dogs are a great example, of course, because you have 551 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.480 such an amazing sense of smell, and that this would those go to bears, 552 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.719 that sort of thing. There's so much more there than humans think. 553 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:04.519 Because we're not old factorially oriented for the most part, we've also domesticated our 554 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.559 sense of smell quite a bit. There therefore dulled it from our natural state. 555 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.320 That could have been an adaptation just for us getting in larger and larger 556 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.679 groups, because like people smell like I mean, there must have smelled like 557 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.840 hell back then. You know all that bo and you probably generate some There's 558 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.599 some information in there too, though, and even nowadays, you know, 559 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.880 like you live in Humble, you know, if you can line at the 560 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.119 whole foods or whatever behind a hippie, you know it before you see them. 561 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.800 Yeah. Yeah, there's information in smell now, but so much more 562 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.760 information the more acute your sense of smell is. I think, I mean, 563 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.719 I think we domesticated and moving into larger and larger groups. I'll butt 564 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:42.599 that i'd something that you're dull in it, so you're not like you're not 565 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.599 like getting like God, this guy smells just I mean, it still happens, 566 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.000 but it's not as bad, you know what I mean, Like if 567 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.480 we had if we if we were like well, dogs like to stick their 568 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.599 nose and pooh and stuff, and if we had nose like that, we 569 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:58.239 were like sensitive to human bo and bad breath and like people that don't wipe 570 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.920 properly or whatever, like, you know, make it for a much more 571 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.880 violent culture perhaps, but we are sensitive to that. Otherwise, you know, 572 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.039 you wouldn't be saying these things right now. We are sensitive to that. 573 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.920 But I'm saying like we're sensitive. Just mentioned if our olfactory's senses were 574 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.559 like forty times more, eighty times more or whatever, like a three hundred 575 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.920 times like a dog, like, we'd be like you wouldn't want to be 576 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:23.199 within twenty feet of somebody. Some anthropologists listening to this, he's going to 577 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.840 go, that's brilliant and do a big have as PhD students work on it. 578 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.679 Yeah, and give Bobo, you know, authorship credit. Yeah, 579 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.280 that's a smart thing to do. I have it in my head and I 580 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.480 don't know if this is accurate, But that also has something to do with 581 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:44.599 being visually acute, you know, like you we're so visually oriented. Maybe 582 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:45.719 that takes up space in the brain or something like that, but I don't 583 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.159 know that to be true. But anyway, where where we obviously don't have 584 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:59.719 the the anatomy basically for smelling other things really really well, you know, 585 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.199 and deer and bear and those sort of animals that rely so heavily on their 586 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:09.039 sense of smell, have elongated snouts to increase the surface area for you know, 587 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.519 the old factory nerves basically, and humans don't have that. None of 588 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.239 the apes have that, oddly enough, and the monkeys do to a much 589 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.119 lesser degree. But in this case, back to the article thing, these 590 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.840 particular monkeys are no longer relying on their sense of hearing as much because humans 591 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.320 are getting in the way. They're relying on their sense of smell. But 592 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:34.079 now I'm not saying sasquatches are relying on their sense of smell per se, 593 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:38.159 although they have a better sense of smell than we do, because because they 594 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:45.599 haven't domesticated themselves and dulled their senses like we have. You know, they're 595 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.000 still living in the natural environments. They don't eat super sour candies and all 596 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.960 that other thing that, you know, take away the subtleties of your senses 597 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.199 in a lot of ways, but sasquatches absolutely And by the way, I 598 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.719 think I'm the one that submitted this article because one of the things I saw 599 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:07.519 that came to my mind immediately upon reading this article is that sasquatches, just 600 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:13.840 like these monkeys, adapt to human presence in various ways. These monkeys. 601 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:19.440 They shifted from being old fact I mean, sorry, auditory in nature towards 602 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.280 being old factory, old factorially oriented. I don't know, you know what 603 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.400 I'm trying to say, set a focus on hearing to communicate, their communicating 604 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:32.000 by smell. Now, sasquatches also do this in various ways. I often 605 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.800 say that the sasquatches that are closer to town vocalized less. They're they're much 606 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.719 more ninja, like what sort of things have you seen? Bobs? Because 607 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.639 you know in Trinidad we're all sorts of houses. There's bigfoots wandering around out 608 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:52.960 in Blue Lake. They're sasquatches not far away. How do those sasquatches behaviors 609 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.199 differ than the ones that you see like way out in the Siskews, for 610 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:02.639 example. I've gotten so few reports of vocalizations from anywhere around Trinidad I've gotten 611 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.880 I do get some from Blue Lake. I mean Field Brook, which is 612 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.679 between Blue Lake and Trinidad. It's a little like you know, it's just 613 00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.360 it's a it's a community, but there's just like a store in a post 614 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.639 office and fire station in school. It's not like a town. But yeah, 615 00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.440 there's I do get vocalizations out of there. But then yeah, you 616 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.559 don't. You don't hear much near the towns at all, like you I, 617 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.559 you know, for all the for how many people live right outside of 618 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:34.159 town, you know, like human exposure like for better lack of better words, 619 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.199 man hours of like people being in a position to hear versus like out 620 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:44.199 you know, going an hour into the mountains. It's the reports are so 621 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.159 much higher frount the mountains and there's so fewer people. It just tells you 622 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:52.159 that there's obviously a lot more vocalization going on. Yeah, you know there 623 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.280 There have been sasquatches on or near my property a couple of times over the 624 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.679 last five or six years that I've lived here, and I've never heard of 625 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.559 vocalization from here. Melissa did. Melissa heard one once. She heard a 626 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.360 whoop, like whoop, just like I do, you know, on the 627 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:08.719 show or whatever. She heard one of those. But I was out of 628 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.840 town at the time and it came from up on the hill on the other 629 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.559 side of the spring there. We got a couple are but the stuff that 630 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:22.119 we've heard so far. I did hear one vocalization in that November, right 631 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.840 after I moved in and it sounded like that was it. Melissa heard that 632 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.519 whoop. And other than that, all the other stuff we've heard are like 633 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:36.480 bangs and knocks and that sort of thing, you know, the more subtler 634 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.199 things. And I think that's kind of how they roll when they're close to 635 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.800 town. Not that I live close to town necessarily, but you know, 636 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.760 my little valley here that I live in is pretty secluded in a lot of 637 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.000 ways. Well relatively, you're close to town relatively, yeah, absolutely, 638 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.400 But that that ridge, I think they're moving up and down the ridge on 639 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.960 the other side of the river. There goes all the way down from the 640 00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.079 bull Run area all the way up into Pass Zigzag up to Rhododendron. I've 641 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.639 gotten reports from pretty much everywhere all up and down that one ridge, So 642 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.920 I think that's what they're doing. But these these animals, and these are 643 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.760 probably the ones that inside bull Run. I'm thinking inside bull Run Watershed because 644 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:20.519 I just I don't live very far from bull Run Watershed. These animals have 645 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.920 kind of learned to navigate around the human populace in a way that makes them 646 00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:30.480 not not run into very often. There's a handful of siding reports and a 647 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.960 couple other couple of noise events, but relatively speaking, the noise events are 648 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.000 kind of few and far between. Considering that I know that we have a 649 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.679 resident group of sasquatches around here, you think you'd be hearing them like once 650 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.199 a month or once every couple months, and it's just not the case. 651 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:50.400 Like you might hear one or here's you know, reports of whoops or something 652 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.960 coming in to the museum from the ridge like once or twice a year maybe. 653 00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.480 But then again, it's not like they yell a mile from here and 654 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.159 everybody hears it either. There's a lot of river noise and stuff too blocking 655 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.000 it, so who knows. But in places where the sasquatches are moving through 656 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.679 and you know, stealing a couple of handful handfuls of dog food from the 657 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:14.840 back porch, they're not going to give themselves away, so they obviously change 658 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:19.639 their behaviors significantly around humans, just like these tamer and monkeys have done. 659 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.559 You know what's interesting is that those tamer munkeys were talking about down in Brazil, 660 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:30.599 they're critically endangered because they have such a small area of their territory and 661 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.000 it's it's almost all that lies the city limits of Manaos where we filmed Finding 662 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.880 Bigfoot our Amazon episode. Like when you see if you're watching the episodes where 663 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.599 we get picked up by the big riverboats that pull up into the city we 664 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.239 were in, that was that was right there. Those are Those were the 665 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.239 monkeys we had around the hotel. That's great, that's great. That was 666 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.440 a great trip too. I really enjoyed that one. Stay tuned for more 667 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.679 Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages. 668 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.119 Manao's great town. What happened to that guy? You ever hear from 669 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:12.000 that guy who like almost marrying one of the local people, Oh, Jeremy, 670 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:14.760 Jeremy, that was Yeah, he was. He was a madman. 671 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.039 That guy was the best. That guy was freaking wild. He's the wildest 672 00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.000 dude I ever met through the course of the show though all the filming all 673 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.119 around the world, he was the wildest dude by far. Oh yeah, 674 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:28.599 I'm not saying something. I don't think we've mentioned this on the show, 675 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.679 but you guys know that David Oran passed away last month, right? Oh 676 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.840 I heard that actually now that you mention it, Yeah, yeah, David 677 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.679 Oran is he's the ornithologist that and you know it's not just because of his 678 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.719 name either. That we met with in Brazil who had a great interest in 679 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.119 the map guada. Oh yeah, yeah, he thought he thinks these things 680 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.880 are giant ground slaws. And I guess it's possible, because we did get 681 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.800 reports of two different forms of map enguadi, and one of them conforms very 682 00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.400 nicely to the giant ground sloth. The other one is clearly assass watches some 683 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.480 sort of by the way. But yeah, he passed away like a month 684 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.280 or two ago. I forgot about that. Yeah, Lauren Coleman put out 685 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.920 his I think his obituary. If remember right, Lauren qutes something all that 686 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.480 would I wouldn't know almost any of that sort of Lauren and post it. 687 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.639 Yeah yeah, And I wonder if he's written his own yet. I think 688 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:21.880 he did. Actually, I think I talked to him about that, because 689 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.400 I said, it's kind of a grim responsibility that he's taken upon himself to 690 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:32.559 write all these cryptosological obituaries. It does a good job. Yeah, I 691 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.519 just looked it up here. David Doctor David Orrin died on September seven, 692 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.239 twenty twenty three. Rest in peace, David. He was a good guy, 693 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.480 nice guy didn't really have time for the idea that mapping guadis might be 694 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.960 sasquatches at all. He can't even wrap his mind around it. No, 695 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.159 no, but you know he did take those citing reports that all kind of 696 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.199 pointed at the sloth. So, yeah, it wasn't the giant slot. 697 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.519 There was the medium sized slot. I've heard the there's the mega one, 698 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.320 the giant one, and there's the small one that's like the size of a 699 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.199 grizzly bear. And certainly Brazil is a place in a good place to hide 700 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.159 some giant mamma like that. So yeah, yeah, I think I think 701 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.320 there was both there. I'm convinced. So there's a there's some type of 702 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:22.400 pominade, you know whatever, some sasquatch type bipedal primate. But I think 703 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.920 there could be room for both of them. You know, they're probably low 704 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.679 numbers, especially the sloths so much. I mean, they're they're slower, 705 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.000 they're they're not as camoed as the I mean, there's there's just way more 706 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:39.559 likely to get shot than a than a mare. Right. Well, you 707 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.679 know, we took reports from people, and some of the reports, yeah, 708 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:49.159 this big thing with claws and it had canines and scary monster looking thing, 709 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.559 and then other people said, yeah, it was like a monkey but 710 00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.239 without a tail, walking on two legs the size of a person. Yeah, 711 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:58.760 so you go, yeah, clearly there's two things going on down there, 712 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.719 and there's more than that. For room too had the word mapping. 713 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:05.159 Guadi gets associated with both. I wish they had a different name from them 714 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.400 for them, but I guess they don't. So all right. 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