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And I want on what are reporting? I got a screen going on here?

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Something just fling dog? Something killed
your dog? My dog? We're

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flying through here over the trade.
I don't know, holland did it?

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Okay? Damn? And I'm really
confused now, Alo, I saw is

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my dog coming over the fen?
And they would have did when you hit

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the growler in the Jenny card.
And although I saw it is my dog

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coming over the fen? Wh what
are you reporting? All? We gotta

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some one or something falling around out
here? Come here looking new the onedow

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now and I don't need anything.
I don't want to go out sight.

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Jesus great, you're ready, l
Hello, get the Boddy out here?

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What's going on out there? That's
thought up a bitch about second foot nine?

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I don't know you see him out
there? Yeah? I'm looking right

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heady h he Folks, we are
live. Thank you guys for joining us

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for sasquatch out to see live.
Let me go down the chat real quick

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and say hello to those who have
tuned in so far. Jeremy, what's

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up man? I appreciate you being
here, Kathy, Hello, Sharon,

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Uncle Bones. I'm glad you guys
are here. So I don't do a

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ton of these live shows, but
typically when I do, it's something important

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to talk about. Tonight is one
of those nights. We have one of

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those people that really needs no introduction, frankly, but there's some people who

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may not be familiar with Doug,
but we have the incomparable Doug hih check

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on the show tonight, and he
has a lot of stuff going on with

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this new project that he's working on. So Doug and I are going to

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be talking about that tonight. It
is Legend meets Science two. I know

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you guys probably have questions about that. Some of you may not even be

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familiar with the Legend Meet Science one. So if you've got questions tonight,

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put him in the chat. I'll
do my very best. It's just me

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and Doug tonight, so I will
be monitoring everything. Hey, Hoernimus,

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Thanks for joining us. Man,
what's going on? Mike Barron? Hey,

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what's going on? I'm glad that
you guys are here. Hey,

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Jean, Mama is in the house. I appreciate you guys being here.

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Doug and I just got together.
He just got in the studio, so

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we're about to bring him up here. In a second. I'm gonna go

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ahead and add him to the stream
so when he gets back on camera,

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there he is the man of the
hour. Doug. Hi, check,

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what's up? Man? Hey,
how are you doing? Brian? I

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am good, sir. I appreciate
you being here tonight. Glad we can

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make this happen. Brian Corbyn's in
the house. I was texting back and

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forth with Brian. He's excited about
Legend Meat Science too. He was jumping

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over and giving some money to the
Kickstarter, which we'll certainly talk about at

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some point in time tonight. But
let's start here, Doug. Some people

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may not be familiar with Legend Meat
Science one, so let's jump right into

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it. Let's talk about Legend Meat
Science one. How did that project come

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about? What were you thinking when
you started that project, and how did

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that ultimately come to be? Okay, Well, It's kind of a kind

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of a long story, but let
me try to shorten it. I was

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up in the Arctic, came upon
footprints that the track way, you know,

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was miles and miles because in the
in the Arctic, there's no trees,

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you know, it's just tundra,
and so these footprints couldn't be hidden,

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and that you can literally see him
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know, I ain't already been familiar
with bears. They knew they weren't black,

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you know, weren't polar bears or
a grizzly bears. And so I

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came back just whoa life changing.
I literally got a hold of Matt Moneymaker.

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This is back in the nineties,
you know, and Matt was just

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so gracious. He just you know, just talked my ear off, told

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me all these things about these things, and I was just shocked. And

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so we got to be friends Nixton, you know, you know, we're

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talking about Wallow and I'm like,
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out to the world. And so
that's kind of where a legimide science one

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was born. Is just you know
one I was just constantly shocked by all

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of the information that was available on
these creatures. But then nobody knew,

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including me. So I'm like,
if well, if I don't know,

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and I'm a wildlife researcher, well
then you know, how does that fit

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well with the public? No wonder. They don't believe it. And so

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it just set out pitching it,
pitching it, pitching it, getting turned

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down. You know, you know
the deal, Brian. And finally it

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was John Ford at Discovery Channel,
bless his heart. He looked at the

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one sheet that my agent gave him
and he goes, yeah, that looks

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interesting, Let's do it. And
so he called me up and he goes

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he goes, yeah, they wanted
Discovery wants to do it, and they

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want you to shoot it in film, like real film, not video.

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So I'm like, sure, no
problem. So that's what we did.

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We shot it in film, lined
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disciplines, gave them a piece of
evidence or a number of pieces of evidence

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to study and then come up with
a firm conclusion. Right, so you'll

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see like the likes of like Jimmy
chilcut for the first time on TV doing

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the fingerprint. But it was pieces
like that that really wowed me as an

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individual knowing you know that bigfoot friction
ridges on the bottom of the feet are

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actually angled. They don't go this
way, and they don't go this way

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like humans do, and they're kind
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it was those kinds of things that
we included a Legi Meet Science one,

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and of course and Jeff Meldrum wrote
the big book Legi Meet Science based off

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the dock as a foundation as skeleton. You know, he could expound on

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everything because I only had fifty minutes
to do everything. So that's kind of

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a really, you know, an
amazing thing to try to take all this

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information, put it in within a
fifty minute package, keep it very complete,

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and keep it entertaining so it doesn't
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the challenge. So with Legi Meet
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years later, it's like twenty three
years later. I've been working on it

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for those last twenty three years,
believe it or not. So that's what's

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cool. So I'm hoping to put
all of the information in all of it

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that one that we currently do know, but then all of the things that

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I have questions about, and then
taking all of the new evidence, which

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we have a lot of new categories
of evidence, and then getting those analyzed,

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you know, at multiple abs for
the very very ending for a final

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final conclusion including full nuclear DNA under
you know, the guidance of universities.

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So we hope that people will not
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that's kind of where we're at.
Well, let's talk a little bit about

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Obviously you answered the question about why
the timing on the first one. Twenty

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three years later, you've been working
on it all this time. Why do

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you feel like now is the time
time to really push this forward? Well,

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because there really wasn't a lot until
I had a sufficient body of evidence,

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sufficient number of new categories of evidence. That takes time. Because when

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I first heard about all the different
things evidence, I was going off of

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fifty years of other researchers, you
know, putting it all together and then

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suddenly going wow. So it was
I was ready to do it right away

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then, you know, legimiate science
one. But things haven't changed that much

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past that first fifty years of research
that people had done, like you know,

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John Green and renamed to Hinden and
Peter Burne and you know, all

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those kinds of people, but over
you know, well since Steven Monster Quest

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days, I've been putting things,
you know, basically on the back burner,

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taking notes, you know, looking
out for more evidence. For instance,

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literally in the last month, we
have whole new category of evidence that

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came to light in the last month, and now we're vetting that evidence as

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quickly as we can. And that's
basically on this purring noise that we thought

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we had the only tape of.
Come to find out all these people and

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are contacting us, going hey,
I recorded this in two thousand and eight,

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I recorded this in twenty fourteen.
I recorded this. Now we're trying

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to figure out, you know,
what does this mean. And people can

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say, well, it's just just
just another unknown sound. But if we

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can collaborate all this, do the
spectrograms, and we're figuring out these are

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all in the infrasound range, the
overlap above twenty hurts and way below twenty

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hurts. So suddenly it makes it
makes it interesting because it dovetails right into

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a whole sound chapter that we're going
to have in there with all sorts of

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New Nation. And I really hope
that after people get done watching Legimie Science

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too they really understand things far deeper
in all of these categories, including the

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sounds, to where they'll be able
to do the math and explain to somebody

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who doesn't know it of why a
bigfoot scream is different than a cannon yeah,

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wolf for a coyote, and why
is it different than a human,

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and why can't a human duplicate it? So we're hoping to just bring up

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one the education of everybody so they
can defend this. Damn, what would

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you call it? It's not a
hobby. I can't think of the word.

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There's a word for it, this
genre of anything that we all do

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and spend so much time on trying
to solve this, whether you're a researcher

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or just a layman that's just interested
in the topic, they're still doing research,

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you know. So we have got
twenty four really new categories of evidence

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and we're going to be looking at
We're going to be dealing with all sorts

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of new scientists, and so this
documentary will really be I think the best

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for another decade, another two decades, three decades, four decades. It's

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gonna be a milestone. Dog.
I definitely agree. I want to talk

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a little bit about those categories of
evidence, because that's something that's really bugged

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me to know and over the last
couple of years is it feels like I

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famously said, many times, we're
on the five yard line, and I've

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heard other people. Now I tune
into other shows and i hear people talking

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about the five yard line and I'm
like, it's clearly across the board.

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Everybody sort of feels that way.
You're talking about all these new categories of

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evidence. Let's talk about some of
the things that. Let's break those down

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a little bit if you don't mind
and talk about some of those because for

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people that maybe listening, they don't
really understand what's really going on. They

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look at the Patterson Gimblin film,
they look at the Freeman footage and they

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think, well, that's basically it. And you throw in maybe some tomfoolery

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here and there from people like you
know, faking things or whatnot. But

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what is out there in this guys
for you guys to take a look at

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some of those categories. Well,
the main thing I want to get across,

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Brian, is we're going to cover
every category. Categories people I hadn't

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even thought of. So this independence
gives me the chance to say, I

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don't need to stick to a fifty
minute format. I don't need to stick

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to an hour, two hours three. If it needs to go to four,

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no problem, We're gonna get the
information out everything. I've got to

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be a little bit careful of specifics, because already I've got two instances of

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things people had no idea about,
didn't do anything. Is suddenly another contacting

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people that are going to be in
the dock, trying to do an end

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run, and you know, and
that's kind of I literally was up till

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three in the morning on a very
significant thing where another production company is trying

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to end run me on something and
willing and they've got the money to do

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it. So that's where I get
a little gunshy this close to the end.

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But let's see, um, let's
go, let's just talk about one

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category. So we have the anatomical
breakdown of a bigfoot, right, and

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you can think, how many things
can you write down concerning the anatomy of

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a bigfoot Brian The average person would
come up with maybe a couple of things.

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I'm going to cover twenty thirty things
and that are absolute, you know,

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meaning there's so much evidence to back
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For instance, we'll cover the i
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been touched on very briefly in certain
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into length. We're gonna be able
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in the world that fit this i
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you know, or the long arms, shorter legs, longer tours. You

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know, there's only one in five
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into that category. But just on
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to walk away so educated or they're
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some great discussions with skeptics because they're
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armed with. And it's not just
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me talking. This is going to
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in their field of work, and
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existence of the creature, but they're
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this joint relationship to this joint relationship
does not fit human you follow me.

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They don't have to admit Bigfoot's real, but they can back up every

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thing that we're going to have in
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we will make sure that people know
this is an inference, This is not

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fact yet, but this is something, you know, researchers need to be

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looking at. For instance, we
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may favor blue, the color of
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a call from a researcher who said
they put out a whole collection of rocks

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and for gifting. They've been gifting
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two rocks that ever get moved all
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so that's an inference. It's untested, that can never that will be things

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like that will be in the dock
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weapons to things to try. But
there'll be so many things that will be

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proven and will be scientific and solid
that those other things are just bonus,

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you know, food for thought.
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something that I was talking I just
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day and we were talking about some
research he did and Jeff was talking about

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putting out blue balls versus other colors
of things that you would put out,

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and it seemed like the blue whatever
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be, got moved more often and
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which I thought was very interesting.
We do have a question from Robert here,

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how hopeful are you that EDNA might
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I think that's a good question.
The DNA thing is always something that comes

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up. I know Melboy catch him's
doing some new study and there's been some

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who high in the Bigfoot community about
the DNA studies and stuff like that.

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But what specifically about e EDNA.
Can you talk a little bit about that,

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DOUG and how that's going to be
sure? Well, one, we're

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not going to have to do an
environmental DNA. I'm sitting on a pile

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of enough things that will have nuclear
DNA. I don't need to go into

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the environment and do that. We
may do some DNA if the opportunity comes

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up. With the problem with the
DNA, I'm not going to have to

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pay for one DNA test. I've
got to pay for all of these creatures

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that are in lake water or all
of you know what I mean. It's

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it becomes a very very hidden mess
It's something for a huge budget. You

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know, if I had eighty thousand
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EDNA is awesome, And it's going
to the cost is going to come down.

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At some point. We're all going
to have a DNA machine in our

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homes, Like we have a printer, right Like tons of people are now

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getting three D printers in their home
because they're one hundred bucks. Well one

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point there were thirty thousand. Now
they're one hundred dollars. You can get

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a nice three D printer for a
one hundred dollars. And the DNA machines

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are coming down, down, down, down, like exponentially. Stay tuned

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for more Sasquatch out right back after
these messages, and eventually you'll be able

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to buy one on Amazon for a
hundred dollars, may be able to test

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DNA all day long. That's coming
that that information will also be in legamide

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science, so people understand. But
we're not going to need to do EDNA

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in this because we have so many
other samples. We don't need to go

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to that kind of desperate, desperate
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think the DNA is great. It's
for instance, if you get a fresh

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footprint and now you can take the
soil that was attached to that that had

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touched the skin. Great, But
think of the sifting that has to be

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done to find skin cells when there's
skin cells of millions of animals in that

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same soil sample. You know,
insects and worms and bacteria there, everything's

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got a DNA signature, so it
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the other things that you and I've
talked about before, Doug and Jeff and

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I touched on this daring our conversation
was some of the things that he had

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collected that looked like seabum or the
excretion from these fingers. Is that something

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else you guys are looking into during
the Yes, yep, yep. And

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here's where that's really good. Sorry, I'm losing. I've been on the

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phone all day to day. By
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shot. Okay. So this is
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we have the latent details. So
something pushes its face against the glass,

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it's going to leave the face print
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we can do three D you know, can reconstruction of the face. We

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can then do gas chromatograph analysis of
the actual chemical compound. Because here's the

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beauty. All of the apes have
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in the sea bum. There's many
waxes, cholesterol types, triglycerides, there's

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all these different chemicals and then different
amounts. That stuff's already been fingerprinted for

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every ape species. So now we
get the sasquatch and that's going to have

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its own fingerprint. But the beautiful
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easiest evidence anybody can collect and be
well, how are you gonna collect that?

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Easy? Put a blue piece of
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When that's scene, they're gonna want
to touch it and they're gonna leave a

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nice fingerprints, and then you just
collect them with a you know, a

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Q tip and and swap photograph it. Obviously you can lift the print,

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you can swab it for DNA.
It's gonna have skin cells in it.

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So now you've got everything at the
whole enchilata and to be redone over and

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over and over and over and over
again by every scientist can spend twenty bucks

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and go out to an area that
they're told to go out to or that

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they feel is a good area,
and leave a piece of plexi glass out

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there and come back and collect it. It's not real expensive and it's very

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repeatable. Because Bigfoot seemed to be
very tactile, they like to touch glossy

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surfaces. How many people in the
audience listening have found fingerprints on their glass

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on their truck, you know,
or their home because they like to touch

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things. It's one one of their
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So there you go. Yeah,
I definitely want to get into some more

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of just research tips in general.
But we do have a question from Tate

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Hieronymous. I want to throw up
periods, something we've talked about on the

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show. I've actually done a live
show in the past about drones. Will

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Doug try my drone? Pheromones are
pheromone idea? Yeah, pheromone idea?

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Toot? What do you well?
That's yeah, that's been tried obviously,

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but these are things that need to
be tried thousands of times, not just

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once. So the chance of that
working in one area is a jillion to

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one and I don't want this show
to be about trying things and then thinking

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they're going to get results. We're
going to do things in legimide science that

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we actually feel will get results.
I'm not so sure that a drone a

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dragging pheromone around because the tree cover
in the US is so thick. I'd

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have to go way up to the
Arctic on the tree line during caribou caffeine

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season. Then something like that might
work. But the bottom line is team

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we don't know if we even have
bigfoot pheromone. The first pheromone was developed

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by me and Greg Bambinick, and
it was based on an idea that I

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had to basically take female vaginal enzymes
and gorilla enzymes and mix them together and

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combine, you know, just use
some common sense just to try it.

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It was just something I wanted to
try, but it's kind of gotten into

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those pheromone chips have now been used
by a lot of researchers. But any

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other pheromone is just guessing, you
know, we're just guessing what is it?

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So then you've got a double guess, and not only you have a

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thick cree cover, you're going to
either be dragging a chip or spraining,

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and it's it's just to me,
logistically a nightmare. You're better off attracting

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them in one area, and certainly
you can use pheromones for that, but

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we don't know. We don't really
know if they were but the first time

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we use them, Brian, I'm
looking at a photo above being of the

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Scuokum cast, a big giant photo
that was gotten the first time, the

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first night pheromone chips were used.
And the story is I was going to

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go on this Cucum expedition, but
I couldn't go because my son was getting

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married, and so I called Greg
and I say, Greg, you want

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to go in my place? And
by the way, he you know,

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he was a seasoned to sense his
whole life, and he's a brilliant man.

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And I said, Greg Maminic,
would you be able to create human

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and half human and half grilla sex
pheromones? Literally, Brian, he goes,

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yeah, I might have any of
those ingredients in my basement. How

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many how many people could you call
that would say that to you? But

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that I called the great guy and
he developed him and he used a scent

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absorbing plastic that was originally I think
used for coyote repellents, and that's how

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that you know, the orange plastic
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But it was just basically an idea
I had. This goes back, I

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don't know, somewhere in the nineties. But do they work, I don't

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know. Not sure. Well,
let's stay on that line of thinking for

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a little bit about you know.
That's the other thing that's sort of been

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sticking in my crawl recently, is
it seems like we're not getting a whole

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lot of new stuff right as far
as research is concerned. So I know

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people are thinking outside the box out
there. During the conversation with Jeff that

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I had, he did some pretty
out of the box things, And I

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know you guys work together on coming
up with some of those things. If

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you're giving people advice that really want
to go out and help collect some evidence

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that may move the ball down the
field a little bit for maybe shows like

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this one coming up LMS two,
or just other studies in general. What

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are some of the things that you've
come up with over the years, or

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that you would suggest to people that
want to go out. I think we're

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past the point of screaming in the
woods and banging on the trees is my

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point here, How can we think
more outside the box and from your perspective,

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looking at this from a very scientific
approach, how can people go out

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and collect some evidence they would actually
help move the ball down the field.

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Yeah, I mean it's actually quite
simple to get evidence. For instance,

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this week we collected another twenty hairs
that's in one week's worth of work,

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and we know they're sasquatch hairs by
vetting them. But they're already in a

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spot that couldn't be anything else,
you know, because we're collecting them from

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you know, almost eight feet nine
feet in the air on a power line

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pole. And that's so let me
go through kind of a list of things

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people can do they can afford.
One if you if you have an area

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you know there's bigfoots, look for
the power line cuts. Look for the

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power line poles if they're wooden,
if you're lucky enough to have wooden poles.

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We have come to realize that they
use these things for backscratchers, and

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look look for hair at about eight
feet up. So that's one thing that

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can be done, and you can
tears that way on a pretty regular basis,

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and I know that sounds crazy,
but it's been working for me.

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Two, get a motorcycle dash cam
system. Because the cameras are tiny,

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their waterproof, they're on a small, little almost fiber optic chordins. They

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come with two cameras, right,
so you're not gonna miss action. They're

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cheap. It's one hundred and thirty
five bucks for whole units. Got a

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monitor. It records automatically when it's
powered up. It records audio and video,

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which is cool. It even records
the GPS coordinates, which is cool.

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But the thing is, you can
get very creative with these microscopic cameras.

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You can hide them completely. Picture
a camera looking up mounted down below

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a pop can, below the hole
in a pop can, but it's down

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a half inch. All you see
is black. You see the opening to

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that where you drink out of it, but there's nothing sticking up. It's

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recessed. You can do that with
these cameras. So you do you know

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you have your campsite and literally,
I think probably fifty percent of the reports

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I get or people that have activity
in their camp when they're camping, they're

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not out chasing bigfoots. They're not
out doing anything. If anything, if

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their researchers are just doing one or
two wood knocks, that's it. But

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these things are coming to them because
they're curious. They're sneaking into their camp.

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Well, the beautiful thing is if
you're a light sleeper, you hear

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them. The cameras are off,
everything's off. You you bring a black

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tarp, you have a black tarp
in your tent, You throw it over

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your head, power up the monitor
and now you can see what's going on.

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But you can have those cans you
don't tip to over. You can

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have actually some of the liquid that's
can spill the beer. You can hide

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these and potato chip eggs, you
can bury them and just have just literally

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that three point six millimeter lens aiming
straight up, if you could be five

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feet from your ten ten feet from
each side on the tent with like a

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blue sea sky a motorcycle cam.
They come with a USB adapter so you

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can power it with one of these
cheap cell phone chargers, which is rare,

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the rare. You can get as
cheapest nine bucks. The power I

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mean think about it. Power supply
the whole night for nine dollars and it

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doesn't weigh more than a few ounces. I mean, this is and these

406
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.480
cameras are tiny, their waterproof.
You can slid a little hole in a

407
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.200
tent, you know, a little
tiny hole. I always recommend people buy

408
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.759
cheap tents because if you're one of
those people buying a five hundred dollars a

409
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.680
thousand dollars tent, you're wasting your
money. Get the cheapest tent you can

410
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.599
get, because even the most expensive
tents mold. They get black mold on

411
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.960
them, they get wet, they
get nasty, they get dirty. You

412
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.440
can just toss them away and get
the go for the go for the sixty

413
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.559
dollars tent. Right, use them
three times and you know, toss them

414
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.359
or whatever. But then you can
put slits. You can cut them little

415
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.759
little holes at the very bottom or
you know, very low, and get

416
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.839
those cameras strung out so they go, and then you can bury the cable

417
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.720
and you can get very creative for
one hundred and thirty five bucks. They

418
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.799
used to be ninety bucks for two
for you know a kit. So now

419
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.799
it's gone up with inflation. One
hundred and thirty five, I guess.

420
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:40.680
But Blue Sea Sky one word,
unlike Amazon, sells them, and they

421
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:45.279
do have the USB adapter they include. That's the only one I've been using.

422
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.960
But here's another thing. You can
wear the same cameras out in the

423
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.799
woods when you will walking. You
can. It's better than to go pro

424
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.160
because it's instant on, plugging into
your power supply and forget about it.

425
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:02.759
It's recording and buffering because you don't
need the footage of your damn walk unless

426
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.680
it's recorded something. If you see
something, if you hear something, then

427
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.960
you're gonna want the footage saved.
You hit a button, it saves everything,

428
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.839
but otherwise it just automatically buffers over
for twelve hours. It's buffering buffer.

429
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.039
It's dummy proof, you know.
Once again, if I had a

430
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.400
nickel for every guy said, oh
man, you know I forgot to turn

431
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.759
the camera on, I forgot to
turn the recorder on. Well, with

432
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.440
this you don't have to remember anything. Make sure it's powered on, it's

433
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.720
recording, and out of two cameras, you can have one aimed you know

434
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.680
behind you came forward, and then
on your way home you can put it

435
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.559
on the dashboard so you've got you've
got a dash cam too, so you're

436
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:49.160
getting all this use out of one
system, and then you can use it

437
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:53.680
as a long term outdoor trail camp
because now you can hide it, don't

438
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:59.200
have this ugly big box slapped on
the side of the you know, of

439
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:04.119
a tree. You want it so
you don't see anything. So you can

440
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.960
just send your best bud and say, Budd, where's my where's my camera?

441
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.079
Here? It's that's somewhere on one
of these You want them to come

442
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.840
back going I can't find it.
That's what you want. When you can

443
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.800
say that, then you've done good. Kid's one of the questions that's come

444
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.360
up for me recently that I've started
asking people, Doug, is what is

445
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.199
the motivation behind going out into the
woods. I've asked several researchers who have

446
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.760
been on recently and this this sort
of leads into a question that this is

447
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.480
actually my mom, Hi mom?
Do you ever think about the negative consequences

448
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.960
for bigfoot once man gets closer?
We all know humans can be very cruel,

449
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.000
and it is more of a bigger
question of say we do prove this

450
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.880
species, what happens then? What
about the big conservation word that always comes

451
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:51.480
up? Where are you on that? And how do you see science and

452
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.159
proving this thing as a species,
playing out over the long term, and

453
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.079
maybe going into conservation as well.
Right, I, for some reason,

454
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:06.159
your question just push right over the
top of my head. I was reading

455
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.519
something in the comments and it was
a long comment, and I want to

456
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:15.079
answer the bigfoot atheist inquiry. So
go ahead to ask your question. I'm

457
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.719
want to answer his question. Yes, we will get to the Bigfoot atheist

458
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.519
in a moment. So basically,
in a nutshell, the question was for

459
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.679
me, it was sort of two
parts. What does your motivation say with

460
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:29.719
LMS two and just in general,
is it to prove this species obviously?

461
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:34.440
And then if that happens, where
do you see that going with conservation and

462
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.840
further down the road, say ten
years after this thing is proven as a

463
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.320
species. I don't think it'll do
anything to the I don't think it will

464
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.920
help the environment at all. I
don't think they'll do anything. Here's why

465
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.559
I'm a very, very cynical.
Oh, I'll just tell you a quick,

466
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.480
funny story, but this is this
is the way it really works.

467
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:59.760
I was trying to buy some industrial
property of building and I needed to expand

468
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.199
the parking lot and there was a
drainage ditch in front of the property,

469
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:07.639
and I wanted to put another driveway
in over the drainage ditch. And I

470
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.920
had to go speak in front of
the watershed committee and I offered to buy

471
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.880
an acre of land out in the
forest to preserve some force land for me

472
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:22.280
to put a ten foot wide I
wasn't even blocking the water flow, just

473
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.400
a ten foot wide driveway over the
top of this they called wetlands, which

474
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.000
was just a call just a ditch, you know, a man made ditch.

475
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.199
And of course I got turned down, fought it for a year and

476
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:39.440
got turned down. But then not
even a year later, they wiped out

477
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:45.639
a giant wetlands that covered maybe five
hundred acres. They wiped it out completely

478
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:51.400
for a building for houses. So
this is the way it really works.

479
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.719
I wasn't fork and over you know, all this money to them, and

480
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.519
so the builder obviously, you know, there's a vacation to Hawaii, and

481
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.400
god knows to the these environmental committees. Well, it works that way in

482
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.480
every state. It's you know,
you can tear it down as much swamp

483
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.519
land and as much forced as you
want, as long as you got the

484
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.960
money, you know, So will
it help preserve anything it maybe it could

485
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.119
enhance us a national park, or
maybe maybe it's possible. It's always the

486
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:29.079
hope that one more national park every
would get opened, because national parks are

487
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:35.079
the only thing that are truly safe, you know. So with that in

488
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.760
mind, my goal is just to
raise the bar. And just you know,

489
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.880
even if we get really good DNA
and it gets confirmed by two separate

490
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.639
sources, a scientific paper gets written
and it gets published in a proper scientific

491
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:53.039
journal, that's still you know,
that's just the start of raising the bar.

492
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:59.599
That might allow another researcher to use
that scientific paper to get a grant

493
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:06.400
for a legitimate academic organization to give
god grant for instance, from the government.

494
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.039
So it all helps, but it's
not going to be an end all.

495
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:14.719
I think even if a body was
found and it was only one body,

496
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.280
the same thing would happen. Scientific
paper would be published on it.

497
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:24.119
It would raise the bar tremendously,
but it wouldn't finish, you know,

498
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.880
the whole topic would suddenly they would
just scrambling to set forests aside. Now

499
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:35.719
it's going to happen because most of
the land is owned by somebody anyhow.

500
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.880
It's either owned by the you know, the Bureau of Land Management. Some

501
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:44.960
of their land might get converted into
a sanctuary possibly, but generally I'm just

502
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:50.159
cynical about you know, the population
of the US is growing. They need

503
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.679
land, you know, and they
need impousing developments and so but I do

504
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.599
know this. We have more wildlife
now in the US than probably at any

505
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:04.199
point, and that is exciting.
I see yesterday, you know, I

506
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.559
was out righting my one of my
electric bikes, came across so many turkeys.

507
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:13.920
I feared for my life, you
know, literally to the point where

508
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.639
you know, you get killed by
these things if there's enough of them attacking

509
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.760
you. And so that's what's really
interesting because when I was a kid,

510
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.400
I can tell everybody this. When
I was a kid, we never saw

511
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:30.639
deer. We didn't see any raptors, never saw fox, never saw coyotes.

512
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.320
If you saw there was a deer
sighting, it would make the paper.

513
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.400
And now they're everywhere. And so
because we've we've done we've created more

514
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:44.519
edges, and I really believe the
edges do help wildlife survive. And that's

515
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.639
what we're talking about. Power line
cuts, that's just another edge, you

516
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.360
know, the edge of an agriculture
field is where you're gonna have a big

517
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.480
food site. You know, it's
going to be that edge of the apple

518
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:59.519
orchard. It's going to be at
the edge of your campsite, you know,

519
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.119
the camp grounds. Um, so
that's kind of where it's a But

520
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.199
I wanted to get to that question
because it's good. It's a good question.

521
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.360
How do I know, I'm gonna
I'm gonna put it up here and

522
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:14.639
I'll read it to you. Yeah, stay tuned for more sasquatch out right

523
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:22.280
back after these messages. So I
don't know one hundred percent, but I

524
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:28.119
do know ninety nine one there's been
three sightings in that power line cut by

525
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.199
different people. They don't even know
each other. So that's kind of a

526
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.719
good thing. So we know there's
some activity of an unknown animal in that

527
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.880
area. Then one when I get
the hairs, they don't. I cannot

528
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.400
find any other hair in the world
that matches it, so it becomes unknown

529
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.159
naturally worn end um no mandola or
very little, very fragmented mandola. So

530
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.159
you have the naturally worn end you
have that, and you have human scaling.

531
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.239
You have all three of those things, and you have a slightly smaller

532
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.800
diameter and you have a certain type
of a curve to the hair, there's

533
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:14.719
a certain curve to it, certain
length. There's so many properties that can

534
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.159
be where a hair can go through
a vetting process. If you think about

535
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.400
human scaling, now that cannot be
faked. So you can be as skeptical

536
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:28.159
as you want, but no one's
going to fake care scaling. Well,

537
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.400
then if you take the amount of
scales that maybe around the outside diameter is

538
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:38.239
different than a human or the hair
matches baby hair from a diameter standpoint,

539
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:43.119
But what does baby here doing eight
foot up in a powerline cut? And

540
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.440
if it's baby here, then how
is it eight inches long? See the

541
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.960
two counterdict each other. You can't
have baby here that's eight inches long?

542
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.800
And how did you get it naturally
worn in? So we have babies living

543
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.360
out in the forest if you follow, and I can keep going. So

544
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:06.320
that's where you come to the inferred
that this is a bigfoot here. And

545
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.679
there's other tests that I do do, some of them I'm not talking about

546
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.840
yet because we're going to reveal them
in legamine science. And apparently I got

547
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.480
a und ninety people want to end
run me on everything. So but generally

548
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:24.519
you start lowering the chances and the
odds that this is some other animal,

549
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:30.360
or it's a human, or it's
a hoax. You know, when yeah,

550
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.440
well all of those things going for
you, you tend to really feel

551
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.440
confident you're dealing with an unknown primate
here. And I think that's a very

552
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.320
fair question because that comes up often
for me, and how solutely it is

553
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.039
absolutely even with the vocalizations and other
things. Obviously we've got a database.

554
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:52.079
There's tons of databases out there with
known animals that you can compare things to.

555
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:58.440
And if you do that and there's
no specimen that comes out to say,

556
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.760
okay, as matches this, then
you're just left with more real questions

557
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.840
than answers. But it leads you
down the path. It's sort of that

558
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:08.559
collective thing of if this isn't a
known species, then what is it?

559
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.079
Right? Yep? It sort of
nars it down to what we might be

560
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.480
more. It might be more interesting
to figure out what animal it is.

561
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:22.239
It's not a big foot, because
God knows what red animal that's got auburn

562
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:28.639
ring and tan colored hair it's running
around the north woods of Minnesota, that's

563
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.599
got eight inch long hair. I
mean, if this is some type of

564
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.960
a new species of bear. I'm
all for it, but I don't think

565
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.000
it is just because of the consistency
that we find it, you know,

566
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:46.079
the naturally worn end alone, the
morphology of that meaning it's never been cut,

567
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:51.280
because once you cut a hair,
that air can grow to a foot

568
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.119
long. You can still see that
cut in. That's see, that's the

569
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.119
beauty of that. It's kind of
it's a permanent thing when you cut your

570
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.639
hair. So you know, I
mean, we're dealing with a lot of

571
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.599
wild men in the woods or wild
people in the wood zone. That's pretty

572
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.639
interesting to me. If we've got
you know, naked wild men runner around

573
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:14.360
the woods and they're just humans.
I think that's fascinating. You know,

574
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.760
I'm being happy to spend the rest
of my life, you know, researching

575
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.880
that phenomena. I love it.
Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society says, will robot

576
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.440
baby Bigfoot be powered by a our
human handler and all seriousness super pumped by

577
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.679
the dock, everybody go back at
I've actually put the link to the Kickstarter

578
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.199
for this documentary, which will certainly
talk about before we close out. It's

579
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.880
in the chat, so you guys
can click right there and go over right

580
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.599
now while you're watching if you want
to support this documentary, Let's talk a

581
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.239
little bit about that, Doug.
That's something that's become very popular recently,

582
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.880
smalltown Monsters, Seth, Breedlove.
Those guys have done a really good job

583
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.280
of funding a lot of what they're
doing. So talk a little bit about

584
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:57.559
the Kickstarter program. Did you wrestle
with how to fund this thing? Was

585
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.239
Kickstarter always the way to go for
you? Can you talk a little bit

586
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.719
about that and certainly will press people
to go over there and give a couple

587
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:07.440
of bucks and help support the project. Yeah, well, I've never done

588
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.239
one. I've always been supported by
networks, right, and the networks would

589
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:16.639
have a much bigger budget than I
would ever raise in Kickstarter. I mean

590
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:22.039
it would be astronomically bigger. But
the trade off is you've got you've got

591
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.760
to stick to that fifteen minute forty
five minute, you know, timeline.

592
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.519
So I did at first try to
get a limited series through a number of

593
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:36.559
networks. Didn't seem to be any
interest, but it takes time to do

594
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.159
this. Then of course covid hit
and I went back to the networks and

595
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:46.559
you know, it just time goes
so quick. But so this kickstarter may

596
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.159
fail, may end up in the
graveyard of kickstarters, but then so does

597
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.719
a lot of people's on their first
attempt. But this so if we do

598
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.760
fail, you know, there's certainly
a bigger chance the legimide science will never

599
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.400
get ever produced. To that point, you know, a lot can happen,

600
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.039
but we'll certainly try another avenue if
this doesn't work, you know,

601
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.199
if we can. But I'm really
hoping it just succeeds, because really,

602
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:20.960
if enough people get together and just
donate even ten bucks, they're going to

603
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.920
get something for their money. And
we have some really good I think they're

604
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.840
good reward programs. They go all
the way up to ten thousand. That

605
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.760
one person even took us up on
on the ten thousands, you know that

606
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.639
that amazes me. But there's some
people out there that this is important too,

607
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:42.360
and they have money. They're not
hurting for not hurting for money.

608
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.079
And I think we're actually asking a
very small amount because me and Scott are

609
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.639
going to still have to finance it
huge part of this out of our own

610
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.119
savings. You know, people think
eighty thousand's going to cover this whole dock,

611
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.599
not a chance. It won't even
I doubt it would even cover some

612
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.679
of the forensic. It'll cover some
of them. It'll be a great start.

613
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.239
And if we can get the eighty
Wolf finish it even you know whatever,

614
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.800
you know, we'll kick our own
money into it, so um,

615
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:15.280
we'll get it done. But we
have you know, everybody's limited on what

616
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.400
they can do. So that's that's
the beauty of a kickstarter is that we'll

617
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.960
have the freedom then to make it
as long as we need to, driven

618
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.639
by content, not by a time
clock, you know. And I know

619
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.960
it'll be the best big for doc
ever produced. You know, I'm very

620
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.960
confident. Sounds terrible saying that,
but I know it will be. I

621
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:37.960
just know it will. You know. I would love to see somebody do

622
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.920
a better one, you know.
But you know, I'm I'm much more

623
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.679
experienced now, believe it or not
that I was when I did a leg

624
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.280
I mean science one. Yeah,
I'd done quite a bit of TV,

625
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:55.639
but only for twelve or fourteen years
at that point. But then you know,

626
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.960
I've got that whole Monster Quest series
behind me, so I know to

627
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.960
put together, you know, a
show, So I guarantee you'll be entertaining.

628
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.840
But we're gonna have this amazing content
in here and you know, in

629
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:13.280
the dock so and we couldn't do
it without guys like you, Brian,

630
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.760
supporting this getting the word out because
it is for sure, it's a numbers

631
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.559
game. You know. Well,
I did the math before I came on,

632
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.559
and no, no, I don't
want to pressure the audience. But

633
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:28.280
everybody who will see this on my
YouTube channel and everybody who will listen in

634
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.960
one week on the podcast, if
everybody gave one dollar, we would fund

635
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.159
this thing in one week. That's
the honest truth. So I'm putting the

636
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:43.000
gauntlet down for everybody out there.
One dollar is great, five dollars is

637
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.840
better, ten is wonderful. If
you can do one hundred, that's even

638
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.719
that much better. And there are
tons of rewards on there for it,

639
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.320
basically every tier. So I'm gonna
do my donation. I'm gonna do my

640
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.079
part. So I'm asking everybody who's
listening to just do what you can.

641
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.800
I know times are tough. I
know the economy is not the greatest.

642
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.480
That's the other thing too, Brian, we are living in a little bit

643
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.519
of tough times. I just went
to Wendy's to get a meal for two

644
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.679
people. It was like thirty dollars. So I'm like, that's fast food,

645
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:14.159
and that's two burgers and you know, a chili and a fry and

646
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.880
one pop one pop. But I'm
just like, how is the middle class

647
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.239
of forteen? You know what's going
on? So these donations, I know

648
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:29.159
they're more heartfelt now because nobody has
the disposable income they did it a few

649
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.440
years ago. Absolutely, if you
can do without that one Starbucks coffee this

650
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.000
week, kick it into the kickstarter
for Legend Meat Science too. There's a

651
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.320
couple of other questions that seemed to
be coming up, So I want to

652
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.920
I want to be respect for your
time. I know you're you've been talking

653
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:44.639
a lot, so we've got to
get you out of here in a moment,

654
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.719
Doug. But I want to come
these questions, Doug, do you

655
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:52.960
fall into the wood eighte theory or
undecided on all the super strange personal encounter

656
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.199
stories out there? And there was
another one from Jeremy that I kind of

657
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.320
know the answer too, but it
kind of goes along the same lines.

658
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:06.800
What are your beliefs around them being
multidimensional beings? Possibly nothing would surprise me,

659
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.840
but they do leave behind evidence,
So I have to just go on

660
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.360
that. Quite a large number of
researchers they don't try to gather evidence because

661
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:22.960
they feel they're metaphysical or they're you
know, spiritual or whatever. They don't

662
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.119
feel a need to. They really
feel like they know them and you know,

663
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:30.880
or whatever. And I totally respect
that totally. But on the same

664
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:37.519
token, I really believe we're on
this planet to learn. We're not on

665
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.480
this planet to accept. We're on
this planet to constantly learn, learn,

666
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.599
learn. There could be no other
reason for us to be here other than

667
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.599
to learn, and so I want
to learn, and so legimide science is

668
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:57.320
all about learning and teaching people.
So I'm not in any camp because I'm

669
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.480
open minded. I had one weird
experience that I can't explain to or I

670
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.840
felt like, Um, it was
me and Blaine and two other people.

671
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:10.119
We were out at the campfire.
That was Blaine's girlfriend Andy Vette, And

672
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.800
we're at the campfire or at a
campfire, and we hear what sounds like

673
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:21.239
an elephant running towards us, charging
us. We hear the going through the

674
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.280
grass, all the sound effects you
can make. The ground is shaking,

675
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.320
we ran out of fear because it
was that intense. But we didn't see

676
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:36.440
anything. We never saw anything.
So that puts you in It keeps you

677
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.039
open minded, you know. But
that doesn't even mean that's that was a

678
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.280
Bigfoot experience. I mean, maybe
there was an earthquake maybe, but like

679
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.760
I could have a million excuses,
you know, as to what that could

680
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.719
have been. But um, you
know, I'm open minded, one hundred

681
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:57.639
percent open minded. Humble, humble, humble, humble. I'm right there

682
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.840
with you. I hear so many
interesting stories that seemed to be what people

683
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.000
call woo, but there are their
experiences, right, and I just sure

684
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.119
don't ignore it, right, you
can't ignore it. I think there's a

685
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.480
little bit of something to be gleaned
from everybody's experience. Let shift gears a

686
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.239
little bit and talk about something we
really haven't I haven't had you on the

687
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:20.400
show and talked about. Is another
project that you've got going on and amongst

688
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.920
all of the other stuff with LMS
two is the Untold Radio Network. For

689
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.039
people who've listened to my audience,
they've heard the advertisements on there, they've

690
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.400
heard me talking about the fantastic shows. Can you talk a little bit about

691
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:36.079
what the catalyst for that was and
how that came to be. Ah Man,

692
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.159
I don't even know what kind of
happened organically a lot of ways.

693
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:44.320
It all started with Bigfoot. I
was at a Bigfoot conference and was asked

694
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:49.400
to whether I wanted to host a
podcast co host a podcasts. So I

695
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:55.320
did that and learned a little bit
about the business and wanted to grow.

696
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.840
Well, the only way to everybody
can only do so much, you know,

697
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:05.119
I can only podcasts so much as
you can. And the idea behind

698
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.199
the Untold Radio Network was just to
get similar shows to all kind of team

699
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:15.920
up as a consortium and put our
efforts in a little bit of one basket

700
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:21.519
and team up and be able to
get more done as a team, and

701
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.800
to get information out where people can
subscribe to one channel, the Untold Radio

702
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:31.559
Network and get a lot of information
on their favorite topics, Bigfoot being one

703
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.639
of them. You know, Aaron
Arnoland, Bryan, you're obviously you're part

704
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:43.559
of the Untold Radio Network with Weird
Encounters, and you know you're you're one

705
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.039
of the reasons, Brian, you
inspire me so very inspire actually by what

706
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:52.840
by what you do so well,
that was very nice. I'll pay you

707
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:53.960
later, Doug. I didn't know
you were going to say nice things like

708
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:58.159
that about me. Yeah, no, you inspired me. No, it's

709
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.480
true, very true. But I
really do think that podcasts are a great

710
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:07.239
way to get information on because you
can listen when you're driving. You know,

711
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:12.960
you can listen anytime you want,
whether you're driving cross country or if

712
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.760
you like to sit down and watch
it on YouTube, you can do that.

713
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:21.840
So really, it's such a diverse
medium and you don't have to usually

714
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:24.280
put up with a ton of commercials. You know, try to watch modern

715
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.360
day cable now. You know,
it's three minutes of content and ten minutes

716
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.239
of commercials. So although we have
to have a little bit of commercials,

717
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:37.400
it's not it's not too bad.
It's pretty commercial free for the most part.

718
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.119
It's a great medium. I believe
in the medium. I definitely agree.

719
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.360
Violet just gave thank you for giving
up your coffee this week. Violet.

720
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.639
We appreciate that, Doug. Appreciate
that. So before we get out

721
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:52.519
of here, Doug, let's talk
a little bit about I guess the bigger

722
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:57.400
picture for LMS two. We've talked
a little bit about what the reason behind

723
00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.880
it was, but at the end
of the day, what is it the

724
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.840
you really want people to take away
from LMS one and LMS two when it

725
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.079
becomes a thing and gets out there
in the zeit, Guys, what do

726
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.960
you really want to be the final
word? And people to take away from

727
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:15.320
this and stay tuned for more sasquatch
odyssee, we'll be right back after these

728
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:22.000
messages. Well, I want to
take away a lot of the ignorance and

729
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:27.360
the myths that are floating around for
the people that are researching and are interested

730
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:32.320
in it. I want to also
arm them with more hardcore data so they

731
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:37.960
can say to their uncle, who
might be a complete skeptic and thinking that

732
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:42.039
you're a complete idiot because you're interested
in Bigfoot, that you can hand them

733
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.039
the DVD and say here, go
watch this and then come back. You

734
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.280
know, the jaw dropped, God, I didn't know there was us and

735
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.719
those you know, all these things
eventually piles up. But the main thing

736
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.840
I really want to do is just
raise the bar for everybody, including the

737
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:02.000
academic world. We need more academics
and evolved. Amy Boo has really cracked

738
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.800
open with a really unexpected system.
I was on a meeting last Night in

739
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:12.920
Zoo book. It was just so
cool because there's all these academics in there,

740
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.159
and there many of them are anonymous. They don't want they don't want

741
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.480
to be teased at their college or
wherever they're you know, if they're a

742
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:25.639
professor or their job. But there's
interest in academia. But this is a

743
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:31.480
cool, really cool way they can
secretly buy Legende Science too, or or

744
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:36.559
pay for a streaming service and watch
it and get educated, you know,

745
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.039
and all these new things and stay
up to date. If this is successful,

746
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:46.679
if we will continue to do other
projects with the system. I'm new

747
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:52.079
to it, not used to it, but it's a system you have to

748
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:57.960
actually get good at. I guess
because it is our to convince people to

749
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.440
turn over hard earned money. It's
not easy, and I feel I've never

750
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:08.079
felt guilt here in my life asking
you know, regular folk to dig deep

751
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:13.800
into their pocket and donate to this
cause. It actually leaves me with a

752
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:17.199
twinge of guilt versus you know,
a big, rich network that's taken in

753
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.440
you know, fifty thousand per commercial
that they're getting in from a car company.

754
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.599
You know what I mean. To
them, it's no big deal.

755
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:30.079
But the average person. This is
gonna be painful, you know, so

756
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.760
we really do appreciate it, and
I do feel guilty, So I'm going

757
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.920
to make sure to work really hard
so I don't feel guilty in the end.

758
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:42.559
So in the end I'm given given, you know, the guilt has

759
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.880
been taken away, and I feel
like I really did good. So that's

760
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.719
my goal. I don't want to
I don't want to leave the end of

761
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:52.719
this when it's all over, the
show has been produced, everybody's gotten their

762
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:57.639
rewards. I want to make sure
that guilt in me right now is gone.

763
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:00.800
And that is a tough thing for
any content creator, I think who's

764
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.840
doing anything in any medium. I
go through that with the show. It

765
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.800
is my full time job. So
unfortunately commercials and even though you know the

766
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:13.840
money that people put into subscriptions and
things to get extra content, it's one

767
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.400
of those necessary evils, and I
have that battle within myself as I really

768
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:21.199
want to do the best job that
I possibly can to make sure that people

769
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.199
feel like they've gotten their money's worth. And I think that's one of the

770
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.840
things at least I love about Kickstarter
is it allows you to have skin in

771
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.159
the game. You get to buy
into the project, and when that comes

772
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:37.159
out and you get to see that
on the big screen on your television,

773
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.440
whatever you watch it on, you
know you were a part of that.

774
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:45.280
Literally every contributor will get their name
in the credits, every last one matter,

775
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.920
all smaller donation, absolutely, and
I think that really does say a

776
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.440
lot about you in the project.
And frankly, anybody who does it like

777
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.679
this is you're doing it the right
way. I know how hard you work.

778
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.920
I know you outside of these shows. We don't just get to see

779
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.119
each other on here. I know
the hours that you put in. We've

780
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.239
been texting back and forth at hours
that we should probably both been asleep,

781
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.679
but you're up in your brain's moving
and you're always constantly working. So that's

782
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.400
one of the things I admire most
about you. And I know at the

783
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:15.880
end of the day you will not
let these people down. But boy won't

784
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:21.079
Tom I was gonna say too,
because they're really you know, people say,

785
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.440
well, what does executive producer mean? That's those are the people that

786
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:31.519
generally finance a project. Everybody who
donates becomes an executive producer, and it

787
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.679
can happen without you, folks.
So like I said, you're going to

788
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.880
find if you're listening to this on
the podcast side and the audio podcast,

789
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.599
look in the show notes, it's
going to be right there front and center.

790
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.000
Click on that, go over there, check it out. We've ticked

791
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.360
up a little bit. We started
at twenty two six hundred ninety nine dollars

792
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.000
and we're now at twenty two thou
seven hundred and four dollars because we got

793
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:57.880
that five dollars instead of coffee from
Violet this week. So everybody can do

794
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:01.239
their part. I appreciate everybody taking
time to listen. I'm making sure that

795
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:06.239
we're not missing out on any questions. Any final words from you, dub

796
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.360
Well, you know, I do
want people to know this is not just

797
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:15.639
an entertainment talk. This is they're
funding science to get done the needs doing

798
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:20.079
so bad. The other thing,
I want to say that on the entertainment

799
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.960
side, we have procured already,
contracts have been signed on literally the best

800
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.840
production equipment money can buy, all
cinematic stuff. So I mean this visually

801
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:36.199
will be an amazing Just like I
did number one and thirty five millimeter film,

802
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.119
this one will have equal amount of
effort in and you know, to

803
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:45.679
look up what a red dragon camera
cost We've got four of them, FLEDGINGMDE

804
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.159
Science. We have track systems,
we have every kind of jib you can

805
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.519
imagine, robotic jobs we have.
So every scene in this thing is going

806
01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:00.960
to be gorgeous, and I think
that will actually help the impact of the

807
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:06.800
information we're getting out. So if
we have a conclusion on DNA and it's

808
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:12.280
amazingly filmed, I think it has
a little more impact than a shaky cam

809
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.119
going, if you know what I
mean. So, I think this will

810
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:22.039
be your future bible that you're funding
for the Bigfoot. I can't wait.

811
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.719
Everybody, go check it out in
the show notes, it's in the chat.

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I will have it up on YouTube
as well, and when this gets

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posted, so it'll be everywhere.
If you just want to go straight to

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Kickstarter, go over there. All
you gotta do is put in Legend Meat

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Science Kickstarter. It'll pull right up. Give whatever you can and become part

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of history. It's what I really
think is gonna happen. You're gonna be

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a part of history, and not
everybody can say that. Doug Hicheck,

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you are a history maker, man. I really appreciate you taking your time

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and coming on and talking about it, and oh thanks, Brian. I

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appreciate everything you're doing. I'm one
of your biggest fans on Sasquat Jots,

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so you know what, you have
no idea what I've learned listening to your

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show. There's no end of what
you can learn from listening to witnesses.

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Absolutely amazing. So anyhow, thank
you for everybody that showed up to listen

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to this. And I'll talk to
you later, Brian. All right,

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I'm gonna play this awesome outro.
You guys, have a great night and

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we will see you guys. And
next time they say you don't gotta go

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home, but you can't stay,
I don't want to be. We're all

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about jobs, job and try every
day. Call bad baby, put youry

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for me. I need to stay
right call it right away, Ti