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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No.

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Here is your host, TJ.
Leise. Yes, here we are.

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It is June already, can you
believe it? And we're ready to

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preview the weekend as we come back
in here is part of the Big Fight

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Weekend preview. I'm just the somewhat
competent host. He is our insider from

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his fight preaks, Unite, Substack
and Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello,

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Dan Raypiel, Good to be back
with you. We do have a

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world title fight involving Claressa Shields to
talk about. Lots of news and some

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good nostalgia to get to on the
program. Are you in a decent mood?

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I know you've gotten a little cultured
since the last time that you and

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I talk. We may or may
not get into that. How you feeling?

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How are things I'm doing good?
You know you always introduce me and

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you always tell me you're the competent
host that you never tell our listeners your

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name. This is t J.
Reeves. That's more than competent host.

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Okay, I'm glad that you now
perceived me after over a year of doing

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this. Being about being a little
more than competent, a little bit more

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than lucid and rested in those kind
of things. It does say my name

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though at the beginning of the podcast, and would it's just the mid the

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big intro voice, and I should
get the voice of Thunder to say with

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Dan Rayfield to come back around if
I pay him enough. But that's another

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that's another situation. But thank you. How are you feeling You're ready to

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go for another week and another weekending
in another month. How was that cultured?

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You were cultured because you were taking
in the arts with your son and

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a performance. Are we going to
get into that for a second? Cultured

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this week? I was, I
was impressed. You sent me a photo.

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It was a big thing. I
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of kids in elementary school and you
take the elementary school band, you take

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the elementary school orchestra, and you
put them all together like two hundred kids

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in a big middle school gymnasium where
they played basketball, and everybody's parents and

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friends show up and they put on
the spring concert, you know, a

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couple of weeks before the end of
school. It's like a big deal.

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And since my son participates in the
orchestra, with lots of his other friends

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from the school. We went to
the concert last night and we watched all

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these kids. And let me tell
you, I'm not just saying this as

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a proud debt. Those kids really
they did very well. They played nice.

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The band music was good, the
works from music was good. We

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had a very nice time. I
love that. What does he play again

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for the audience, I'm just curious. My son plays the stand up bass,

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which is taller than he is at
the moment. I love that.

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That's outstanding. So this begs the
question. I am not musically inclined in

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the least. I never relayed an
instrument. You never played an instrument.

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Nothing. So when I was a
kid, like in like junior high and

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that I did play the I played
the trumpet in the school band. Okay,

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so you can play a little trumpet. But he, obviously I was

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not very good by that. He
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We're saying that. So I think
he just was interested, like you know

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him and those kids, if the
kids in school were interested to do it.

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He came home one day and said, I'd like to do this.

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I've got some of my friends are
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Said? Okay? It sounded good. And he has the bass in the

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home where he practice, or he's
only had it at school, and he

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only practices at school, because that's
a big item to transport. But I

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mean not to say that anybody really
who's listening cares. But I'm gonna tell

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you anyway, most of the kids
that they're playing in the in the orchestra,

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they're playing like the violin, they're
playing the cello, they're playing the

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viola, whatever the stuff is they
play. They transport back back and forth

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to practice and everything. But as
you say, because the base is so

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freaking big, there's actually two.
One is at school in the band room,

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and the other one is at our
home in the basement that we rent

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that he practices. And then we
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to bring the big one to school
for the actual performance at you and but

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it was in a different school than
where he goes to school. Was in

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the was in the middle school.
Now they so did you put the seat

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belt across the base just like a
childhood because it's a bit's a precious item

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there. We can't have a you
know a problem with it falling over something

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in traffic, seatbelt around the base
or no, I don't think the seat

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belt was are we kind of like
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make the trunk larger. We were
able to fit it in there, and

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then he sat in the backseat with
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This is what you get on the
podcast, and by the way, don't

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sell it short. There are a
lot of people that are listening to us

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that have kids that data recitals,
dance and our audience that you know,

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while we love and we do boxing
a lot, and we're really into it,

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and I spend an ordinate amount of
my life in my day thinking about

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it, writing about it, talking
about it, that we actually do have

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lives beyontween the boxing business and the
fights, because as we've told the fans

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and the listeners, you've got your
twin daughters and a wife, fun of

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my wife, and we got other
stuff going on a side boxing, no

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doubt about that. And by the
way, it was the big recital and

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everything went great. I did share
with you just one more aside. I

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went for the boss move. I
went for the power move because my three

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my wife and my twins that are
now about to be fifteen years old.

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I can't believe that they are going
to a dance recital on Sunday. And

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I was able to get out of
it because I paid for the upgraded tickets

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for them to move them closer to
the stage at some thirty dollars a pop

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for this day recital. And I
got a twin telling me that their friend

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is not on until the final couple
of acts. I guess, and they're

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gonna have to sit there for like
ninety minutes before their friend dances. But

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I paid Raypheel for the upgraded tickets. And I think there are a lot

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of males that are listening to us
that are dads that can relate to this

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and appreciate a good boss move,
which is buy them the upgraded tickets.

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You guys have fun. I'll be
watching or playing golf. I'll be doing

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something else, rewatching some boxing something
coming on Sunday. So there you go

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a little bit of peek inside the
reeves. And ray Fael I did mentioned

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to my son that while I thought
he did a great job in his performance

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and that all the kids did a
wonderful job, I did say, you

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know, it would have been nicer
if it could have been a little bit

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more like kiss and we could have
seen some fireworks and some fire breathing and

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some blood spitting, but it was
all right. Well, and by the

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way, I have been to these
so I can identify with you where they

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are just at times off key and
what do I know about music, but

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they're blaring the rock and roll version
of something and it's off key and you're

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sitting back trying to smile and go, yes, you're really good or except

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if you're not with the middle school
or the late elementary, Okay, so

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good stuff on that. By the
way, thank you for finding us.

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finding us, and we love that. You'll get great conversation from us,

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but also newsmakers, interviews, fighters. You know you talk to Joe Goosen

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recently, we've talked to fighters like
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even beyond just the preview podcast or
the recap podcast. All right, with

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all that being said, again,
Claressa Shields will defend her undisputed women's middleweight

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championship in Detroit Saturday night. We
will get to the preview of that fight

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in a little bit full understanding,
no disrespect to Claressa. This is not

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a big time, massive fight.
It's a late replacement opponent. We will

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give it its due a little later
on the preview. She's expected to win

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the bigger story is how big an
atmosphere is it in Detroit? She's fighting

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downtown. We'll get to that in
a little bit, but we've got some

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other fight news that will cover first, and then we'll get to that preview.

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Okay, So it's officially official,
as officially as it can be.

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Errol Spence and Terence kraw for July
twenty nine in Las Vegas will fight.

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They made that announcement, contract sign
and so now we roughly have eight weeks

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until that will take place. Dan
further follow up thoughts there, Well,

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it was just you know last week
when they went on their social media,

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both Terrence Crawford and Arrow Spence and
told the world we're fighting and it's done

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and all that, and that was
great and it was like a sigh of

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relief slash a big cry of joy
from boxing fans all around the world excited

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for that fight. But then it
was this week on Thursday, or I

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guess on Wednesday actually where the people
that actually do the paperwork and make things

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officially official and all that put out
the formal announcement with stuff about tickets and

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all the particulars. So you have
Showtime, PBC, TGB Promotions everybody involve

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put out the formal press announcements,
gave link you know, gave places to

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buy tickets to presale began on Thursday. We're taping this just a few hours

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after the presale began. The public
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it's just another reason for us to
be It's I can't talk about this fight

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enough. So this was not unexpected
obviously, but now it's, as you

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said, officially official. And while
it's not one scheduled yet, probably not

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next week, but the week after. I guess they'll actually do a two

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city media tour where they will go
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in both Los Angeles as well as
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we'll get to hear from the fighters
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about this fight and they'll lead up
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know both guys have been already training, so it's not like they haven't been

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prepping for this fight already, since
I think both guys had an idea that

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they would make the fight, and
even if they didn't make the fight,

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they would fight somebody else. So
they've been they've been in the gym and

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listen. Like we talked about when
when they both announced it on their social

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media. This is such a huge
fight and I can't tell you what it

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will do in terms of money and
pay per view. But every boxing fan

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I have come across, encountered interacted
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on social media, or those who
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comment on the bottom of a story
or something along those lines. Other people

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I know in the business who I
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with. Every single person and to
a you know, to a man,

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a woman, whatever, is very
excited and can't wait for this fight.

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Even people that are not involved with
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rival TV, rival promotions, even
there, like you know what,

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I'm watching this one, or you
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a ticket at that one. Everybody
is excited for this fight. It's truly

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like I haven't felt this kind of
like buzz for a fight, you know,

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this far out in a long time. I tell you when I remember

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when let's go back a number of
years ago when Canelo Alvarez and employed Meweather

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did their fight and they embarked on
their media tour. They did a few

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different cities, and then one of
them was watching this, so I attended

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the media the media stop for that
particular fight. You could just feel right

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away that the people that came out
that was open to the fans free of

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charge to common watch them through their
press conference and talk to the fans and

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all that business. Everybody left was
such a good feeling, and it just

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sort of like it was like a
snowball, and everybody wherever they went,

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they were excited about the fight.
You know, they talked to their friend,

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they went to the barbershop, went
to the bar, talked to their

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colleague, talk to their brother or
their buddy, whatever, and it just

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created such a buzz in terms of
word of mouth. I feel like this

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fight has a chance to maybe not
at that same level of sales, but

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to just really stoke the interests of
the mainstream sports fan. And they're off

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to a good start, just what
I can tell in the first few days

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of this being done. And you
know, we got now good two months

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to really dig our teeth into this
thing and and really get even more pumped

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up about it. I cannot wait
for this fight. I'll be there in

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Vegas, and it's going to be
a great show. I can't imagine this

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being a bad fight either. That's
the beautiful thing. There are certain fights

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where you might get excited about just
because it's a great match up in terms

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of like this this the stakes there, or what it means. But this

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obviously has that because it's all the
historical elements we have already spoken about the

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undisputed. They're both undefeated pound for
pound supremacy perhaps, but when the bell

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rings, just in terms of the
actual combat, and it's gonna be a

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hell of a fight. So I
can't wait. And anyway, it is

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now officially official, and uh,
you know, I'm sure that those tickets

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will sell. Well, they did, you know the tickets that went on

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sale? I may, I may
mention, and this is the pre sale,

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so they didn't open up the entire
ring, and they put on certain

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sections. You surfing around on the
pre sale, what did you find?

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I took a look that tickets were
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to eighty five hundred dollars, but
those were certain sections and ringside. And

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so when the pre sale, by
the time this comes out, it'll be

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most people in the here. It
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believe it's one pm Eastern time on
Friday is when the public sale begins and

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they'll open up other sections. So, but they don't have the prices of

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what those are, so I can't
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say, like what the nose leads
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the ticket prices are. But uh, you know, hopefully there's at least

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some some tickets for you know,
normal people to be able to purchase and

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take it for a decent price,
you know, a couple hundred bucks and

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be able to get in. But
you know, I can tell you one

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thing, whatever the ticket prices are
on this one, you know, obviously

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it's probably going to be a sellout. I have no doubt in my mind.

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It's going to be a big crowd, and it's going to be a

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great like a truly great week in
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no doubt, all right, So
we're anxious for that to get underway.

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And again, this is a technical
thing and an obvious thing. Obviously the

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fighters were announcing it on social media, but you didn't get the official announcement

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from those parties until everybody signed everything, and everything's firm like you have always

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talked about in common sense always dictates
make sure everybody's signed on the dotted line.

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And I do think it was interesting. One more on this, then

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we're gonna move on. Terence Crawford
has revealed this a couple of times now

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in interviews is what really put this
firmly to bed here, put it into

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motion. And they got the agreement
done. Was Errol Spence stayed on the

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phone, kept after him on the
phone. They got on the phone and

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Crawford finally, I guess, felt
good enough about the two or three concerns

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he had, with Spence saying to
him, offered on paraphrasing, said I

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had a couple of concerns, and
Errol Spence said, this is not going

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to be a problem. You'll get
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writing that that is not going to
be a problem. That's not going to

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be a problem. And they agreed. And so I'm gonna tell you right,

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we're good. I mean, Errol
Spence, you know, I'm in

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a fortunate position. And I understand
I'm in a fortunate position that while I'm

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a fan of watching these great athletes
do their thing. And I'm a historian

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of boxing. I watched box in
my entire life. I'm in a position

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where I've gotten a chance to meet
these guys, interview them numerous times,

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cover their fights many many times.
And you know, again, not like

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I'm desk friends with them or anything
like that, but have a reporter to

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fighter relationship where you get to know
the guy like they know, like if

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you asked Errol Spence and am I
going to be fair when I quote him?

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He knows I'm going to be fair
when am I don't see guys out

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of context, so he's comfortable.
So I have a very cordial relationship in

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that regard with both him and with
Crawford. I was actually looking at their

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records when I was writing something about
this. I think this will be something

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I gotta make sure my numbers are
accurate, but I want to say it

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will be in terms of in person
like my tenth or eleventh Terrence Crawford fight,

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and I think my tenth or ninth
Errol Spence fight. But the reason

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I'm saying this is when when Errol
stayed on top of this to make sure

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this fight happened in a similar manner
that Ryan Garcia did with Tank Davis.

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As we've discussed that. Also,
like he's not trying to get over on

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Crawford. He wants to fight,
so he's willing to go the extra mile

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to make sure it happens. And
I'm gonna tell you from my own experiences

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on a numerous different occasions about a
variety of different topics, Errol Spence is

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just a good person in my opinion. He's like a decent human being that

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you know. Of course he's a
great athlete, but it doesn't mean he's

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a regular guy put his pants on
one leg. I mean, I'm not

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even saying it's like Crawford's a bad
guy. I just feel like I know

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Errol a little bit better than I
know Crawford. You know Crawford, here's

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the kind of guy Crawford is.
When Ryan Garcia made the decision to go

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and train with Derek James, so
my question was, boy, I wonder

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how that happened. And when I
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well, he called Ryan, who
was friendly with Errol. Uh.

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Contacted Errol to get my number,
meaning Derek's number, UH, and to

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also make sure. It was okay
because obviously if they bring Ryan into the

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camp, that's kind of going on
to Errol's turf, it's his gym,

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it's you know that sort of thing. They've got to make sure they work

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together. And and Errol was like
fine with that. And so when that

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happened, I texted Errol to ask
him if he would give me a comment

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about the fact that he was helpful
to help make this uh marriage if you

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will, between Ryan and Derek work, and he was perfectly fine. He's

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like, you know, here you
go to this is this is my thoughts

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on it, and uh. And
then we just had like a normal conversation.

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We weren't even talking about boxing,
Like he asked about my son,

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I asked about his kids. We
like had a normal back and forth,

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like again, like we're best friends. But that's just the type of guy

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he is that he would like,
you know, we conducted our business briefly

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and then he was like, hey, what's up, how's your you know,

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how's your kid doing or whatever.
So I he's just a decent human

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being and I like him. Uh, and and I so when he says

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when Crawford says that those were the
things that Errol promised that he would get

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taken care of. Like I believe
he's a man of his word. He

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And I'll just add this in because
we give our comments in our commentary.

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This fight would have happened even a
year ago because Errol Spins wanted it

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to happen. Terrence Quawford, for
all reasons of his own, didn't want

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it to happen. Wouldn't agree.
I'm just saying to you the only reason

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why it did not happen last winter
is because Terence Crawford not only would agree,

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but was working another deal. Obviously, Errol Spence has wanted this fight

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and has said so, and I
believe so since last fall. I don't

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know that Terence Crawford really wanted this
fight as badly until probably now, and

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now he feels like it's the right
time and that's why it's getting done.

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But you know, people should not
have it. I don't think they do,

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because you do a good job from
the inside of saying this. This.

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This has not been that both sides
couldn't agree. This has been that

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Terrence Crawford wouldn't agree. That it's
taken this long, and so now we

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finally have it and let's be happy
about that. Yeah, I mean with

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with me, whether pack Yell,
for example, like there was problems with

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both of them agree that Errol has
had. My understanding is that Arrow's whatever

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his arrangements are with his people with
PBC and TGB and all that that's been

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you know, showtime whoever, that's
been basically done for a while. Like

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there hasn't been any issues. Again, it's like you said, how to

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get Crawford comfortable with various elements of
it, and you know what, to

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Terrence Crawford's credit, it may have
taken a while, but as he said,

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you know what, that's done,
and now the fight's happening and that's

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all that matters, and it's gonna
be a great fight. All right,

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good enough, good enough. There
we have some Ryan Garcia speaking of him

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out of the ring news, some
back and forth with him right now,

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and Oscar de la Joya, his
promoter. Oscar is claiming that he's got

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a list of fighters he wants to
meet with Ryan. He even put the

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name Manny pachi Ou back out there, which there was talk that that Ryan

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Garcia would fight Manny Pachiou over a
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ago or more. Okay, so
what do you make of all of this?

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Because the soap opera, you've even
put it in your rundown. The

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soap opera continues on here. It
seems like within a calendar year, within

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about a year, Ryan Garcia is
at odds with Oscar de Lajoya about money,

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opponents, next fight, something.
And here we are off the tank

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gave his fight that it appears,
where at odds again about what's next.

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It's just like, unfortunately, it's
like partially oil and water, partially like

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let's say, you know, big
brother, a little brother, you know,

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where there may be like in a
beef and an argument of bullying,

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whatever it is. They just they
just can't figure out a way to get

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on the same page. And Oscar
unfortunately goes into the public domain and says

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certain things that probably are better left
said privately between you and the fighter and

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the fighter's team. And when he
makes a pronouncement that I'm meeting with Ryan

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Garcia on Tuesday, meeting two days
ago. As we tape this on Thursday,

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and then I speak to Ryan Garcia, is representative, is advisor and

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lawyer Guadaloupe Valencia, and he basically
laughs and says, we're not at we

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have no meeting setup. That's not
true. We're not talking about opponents,

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and we have no meeting schedule.
I mean, they're just they It's one

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thing for them to have a contract
with each other, and that's fine,

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but you gotta it takes two to
tango if you're going to try to get

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along with each other. And they're
just not in that moment right now.

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And I and a big part of
this, and you know, you can

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laugh about it, but Ryan Garcia
is still and I don't even blame him,

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to be honest with you. He's
upset that Oscar de Loy, his

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promoter, did not come to the
news conference after his loss to Tank Davis,

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which many of us questioned at the
time, perfect legitimate question, you

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know, darn well if he had
won the fight, that he'd been there.

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Bernard Hopkins also for that matter,
who's also part of Golden Boy Promotions

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who did not come. But Oscars, that's you know, he's the logo,

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he's the he's the guy that is
the owner and the and the you

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know and all that. And I
think the problem that people have is that

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Oscar, when he made his social
media video that was after that to address

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that problem, he said that his
security told him that they needed to get

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out of the arena because he had
death threats against him. Now, obviously,

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I don't think that that's a good
thing. And if you truly have

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a death threat against you, not
a good situation. And why anybody would

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put a death threat against Oscar,
I'm not really sure, you know,

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for all of the issues Oscar has. My personal perception of Oscar, having

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known him, you know, better
than just an average you know, a

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reporter to the promoter and or a
former fighter. You know, Oscar at

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heart is like a decent human being
also. But the thing is he was

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at all the other fight week events. He was standing on a stage at

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the press at the way In Outdoors
right in front of the of the arena

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on the Friday, no issues there. And then in terms of the part

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the press conference, if you had
death threats, probably one of the safest

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places you could literally be after the
fight is still in the team mobile because

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they had cleared the arena of the
public and the only folks that were left

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there were probably a couple of hundred
people that were people that were your staff

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and people working the fight from the
network and from PBC, but building staff

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security, you know, janitorial staff, operations people you know who are just

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there doing their normal job and what
like, you know, a couple hundred

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medi people who are just trying to
get their work done. So you were,

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my opinion, you're perfectly safe standing
on a stage in front of a

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bunch of big, bad media people. So that reason did not sit well

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with Ryan Garcia, and he's ticked
off that and so they're in a tit

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for tat right now, and you
know he wants to fight certain guys that

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are not with Golden Boy, that
are not on the zone. And you

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know this is going to become a
problem because he wants to come back in

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the fall. His team says,
we're not fighting pat Yo. So you

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know Oscar hasn't you know, he
doesn't have anything signed with Manny. Manny's

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probably one of the hardest guys out
there to deliver because their side is uh,

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you know, they don't drive an
easy bargain either. So it's just

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headed for more trouble. I mean, it's the saga continues. I'm actually,

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frankly, TJ kind of surprised that
it's reared it's ugly head this quickly

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because the fight with him and Tank
was like barely a month ago. Usually

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after that magnitude of a fight,
you know, okay, guys kind of

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disappears for a little while, maybe
takes a you know, goes on a

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two week vacation, chills out.
But Ryan was literally down in Texas with

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Derek James making their deal like within
the I guess it must have been what

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less than a week after the far
about a week after the fight, and

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uh, and now they're already talking
about other fights. Ryan's tweeted the guys

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he liked the fight. He mentioned
Roli Romero, he mentioned Isaac Pittbull Cruz,

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he mentioned h Teofimo Lopez should he
be the victor against Josh Taylor coming

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up in later in June. Unfortunately, it seems like at the moment those

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three fights are probably all pipe dreams. Are certainly not in the They wouldn't

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be easy to make any of those
three. But we'll see what happens with

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them. But before he gets in
the ring to fight anybody, it's gonna

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have to get on the same page
with his promoter, whether it's uh,

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you know who he's gonna fight and
on what platform is going to fight,

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and all the other stuff that goes
into putting together these deals. So they

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got some, uh, they got
some issues to deal with between themselves before

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they can actually go forward and make
a deal for a fight. Well,

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we will see when that gets resolved. And again there's a lot of history

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because there were squabbles before that.
He wasn't getting enough money. De la

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Joya gave him more money and then
he'd be backed out at least on one

408
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:48,240
occasion. What summer of twenty twenty
one he backed out of a main event.

409
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,160
Uh, well, there was two
fights. I mean, one was

410
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,039
the mental health issues that he took
a little red from. When he was

411
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:56,039
ready to come back, he had
a hand injury, correct a hand injury,

412
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,160
and then and then that delayed things. But that's that's that's the wait

413
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,759
co is That's not Oscar's fault and
that's not Ryan's fault. Well, there

414
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:03,759
was a lot of talk and we
wrote about this on the side, and

415
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,799
this is before you and I hooked
up with whatever else about him backing out

416
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,920
of that fight that summer and what
was really behind it. And I know,

417
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,519
look, I don't want to go
down the rabbit hole for another fifteen

418
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:17,160
minutes on this. Ryan has talked
on the record about having mental health issues,

419
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,599
about having suicidal thoughts. Nobody's gonna
make fun of that, nobody.

420
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,920
Nobody is going to minimize that and
say that it's not important. But I

421
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,519
can understand from a business standpoint,
Oscar dal Joyer realizes this is my meal

422
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,400
ticket right now. I need this
guy to be back in the ring this

423
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:38,440
fall and onto zone as part of
my deal. So I can appreciate he

424
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:42,920
wants to try to get something going
there, and you know the public stuff

425
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,880
about I want to fight Roy Romero, I want to fight Tafimo Lopez,

426
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,119
as you just said and alluded to, none of those are realistic right now

427
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,079
because ones with PBC, ones with
top rank, you gotta go with what's

428
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:59,640
realistic here because he signed with Golden
Boy. So it's it's that it's not

429
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,279
that fighting a PBC fighter is not
realistic. In the case of the Tank

430
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,680
Davis fight which they made, which
was with a PBC fighter on showtime,

431
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000
Tank was and I hate the phrase, but it's the reality. He was

432
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,839
the so called A side because he
was the established fighter on pay per view

433
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,599
and it was really, from their
point of view, was a total deal

434
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,039
breaker, and for Ryan it wasn't
and Golden Boy and the Zone finally came

435
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,319
around to him. But now if
you're talking about Ryan taking on a Rollie

436
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,440
Romero or a pit Bull Cruise,
for example, two PBC guys, well,

437
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,359
obviously Ryan's the A side on that
fight by a long shot, by

438
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,440
a million percent, by ten million
percent. So it's one thing for Golden

439
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,880
Boy in the Zone to suck it
up and go and do the fight on

440
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,079
the rival platform and make the match. It's an entirely different story to expect

441
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:48,079
them to give in on a secondary
type of opponent compared to Tank Davis when

442
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,759
he's under contract the Golden Boy for
the next couple of years, and there

443
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,519
would be no reason for them to
even think about allowing that. I mean,

444
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,039
their business partner, what pays their
bills largely is that output they know

445
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,119
they have with the Zone, and
they're gonna have to figure that out.

446
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,440
So, you know, we'll have
plenty of time to talk about this as

447
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,319
it was on right now. It's
it's kind of a real mess and hopefully

448
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:14,039
they can get it worked out like
it though, and and in wrapping it

449
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,519
up, as you were just alluding
to, it's not like he was going

450
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,440
to be in the ring in June, July or August. Anyway, you

451
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,480
do have a lot of time to
wrap it up. This is for the

452
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,480
fall, right This is like October
November, but you know they're trying to

453
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,559
get it squared away. Okay,
speaking of the fall, speaking of September,

454
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,759
one more item and then we're going
to talk about the claressa shields Undisputed

455
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:38,799
title fight that is coming or Saturday
night in Detroit. David Benavidez very interested

456
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:45,519
in finding Canelo Alvarez who isn't and
supposedly they've made a massive lucrative offer to

457
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,559
Canelo that they want this to be
the fight in September Mexican Independence Day weekend.

458
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,920
Is there in the in the real
reason why we should take this as

459
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,319
hey, it's a sign that maybe
this could happen or is it just the

460
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:03,279
case where they're trying everything saying to
beat the Canelo Golden ticket on their end?

461
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Benavides in his camp, what about
it? Well, I think it's

462
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,680
possible, it could happen. It's
going to be up to whether Cannello wants

463
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,200
to do the fight or not.
Because, as we've discussed numerous times,

464
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,640
Canelo Alvarez he has plotted and planned
his career for this exact reason. While

465
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,880
he enjoys doing business with The Zone
and Golden Boy and not Golden Boy,

466
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,799
the Zone and Natch Room and has
made a lot of money with them and

467
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:25,559
has done pretty much every swall.
He's done every single one of his fights

468
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,359
since he parted with Golden Boy with
matchrom with the one exception was in the

469
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,039
order to get the fight for the
undisputed supermanowy title, that man facing Kyle

470
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,839
Plane who had the fourth belt,
and he did so by leaving Matchrocorps one

471
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,200
fight and fighting on you know,
against a PBC fighter on showtime pay per

472
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,039
view. And so if you were
to do a fight with David Benavides,

473
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,480
because they've made such a lucrative offer
to him, that would probably be the

474
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,880
same situation. So my understanding is
that the offer that has been made by

475
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,400
Sampson Lucawitz, who was his promoter, who works with with Al Hayman and

476
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,079
PBC and has done so for a
number of years, but he is David's

477
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,720
promoter on paper, and he's been
the guy that's had him, you know,

478
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,440
for his entire career. That they've
made an offer north of fifty million

479
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,319
dollars for Canelo Alvaris. And and
I clarified this by the way, unless

480
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,039
they're lying, which I don't think
they are, it's not four fights that

481
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,359
require options and this and that this
is a straightforward one fight offer, uh,

482
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,799
you know, and they have to
stell if there if you send a

483
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,279
proposal, it's not like a done
deal. You've got to agree on other

484
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:30,039
elements whatever about other things besides just
the guaranteed money. You know, there's

485
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,960
there's the small stuff like rooms and
plane tickets, and then there's the larger

486
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,200
things like how we cutting up the
gate, how we splitting the revenue on

487
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,680
foreign television, how we cutting up
the percentages on the actual pay per view

488
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,039
revenue, et cetera. But the
first, the first thing someone's got to

489
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,839
do is, you know, make
the original offer. So they have done

490
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,839
that. Eddie Reinoso, who is
the person receiving this offer, because he

491
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,119
doesn't Canello doesn't have a promoter.
Eddie is the one that runs that business

492
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,200
as the manager as well as he's
also the trainer. Of course, claims

493
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,759
I guess that he didn't at the
offer. I talked to Samson Lukewitz like

494
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,960
a little before we got on our
our our video here to do our our

495
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,160
tast and and I've known Sampson for
twenty five years almost. I mean,

496
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,680
when he says I sent him a
text message, I sent it to him

497
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,960
via WhatsApp, and I send it
to him v email and laid out,

498
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:22,319
you know, the the proposal to
get the ball rolling. And he claims

499
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:23,119
he didn't get it. But he
I know he got it. I sent

500
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,759
it to all these places, so
I don't know what he's talking about.

501
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:30,440
So if you if the two sides
can't even agree on whether the offer was

502
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,119
received, how are you going to
move forward to try to negotiate it.

503
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,759
So maybe it's just a little like
you know, gamesmanship and the nonsense that

504
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,759
goes on a lot of times in
this business. Sure, but hopefully you

505
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,039
know no one Sampson the way I
do. I'm sure it's a it's it's

506
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:45,559
a it's you know, they may
not take the offer, but I believe

507
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:51,400
it's probably legitimate offer. That's the
fight that David Benavides and and their side

508
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,000
PBC would love to. Canello has
been, for his own reasons, has

509
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,759
been stuck on doing a rematch with
Dmitri Dvol. I can tell you one

510
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,759
thing, and I don't You don't
have to be an accountant or a economics

511
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,400
major or anything along those lines,
but I can tell you, and I

512
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,759
would die on this hill, that
a fight between Canelo Alvarez and David Benavides

513
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:17,160
would gross tens of millions of dollars
more than a fight between him and b

514
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:18,759
Vol. And it's not a knock
on Beievle, who I think is one

515
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,400
of the best fighters in the entire
sport. But just from the fan point

516
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,559
of view, the ones who pay
the bills besides, because they buy the

517
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,279
tickets, and they buy the pay
per view, and they buy the t

518
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,160
shirts, and people want Eyeballso sponsors
gravitate towards zac caliber of a fight that

519
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:40,039
that fight would do way way more
business than a fight between Cannelo and Dmitri

520
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,240
Biva. Now Cannello's made one hundreds
of millions of dollars, so maybe he's

521
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,119
say he's screwed it. I'm going
to take the fight that I want,

522
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,319
not the fight that's necessary the bigger
money. Look, he left money on

523
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,519
the table to go home and fight
John Ryder and took a lot less money

524
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,119
than it would have been had he
fought a different opponent and done so in

525
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,079
a place like Las Vegas. So
you know, at this moment in time,

526
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:00,559
maybe it's not only about the money
for Canelo Alvres, but he also

527
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,480
was the guy Canello albrets that tells
you a thousand times all the time he

528
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,960
wants to make the fights that the
fans want to see. And again,

529
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,599
nothing against the meet your bible.
But I dared say, way, way,

530
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,000
way, way, more fans are
interested to see Cannello tangle up with

531
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:16,880
David Benavides than they are to see
a rematch with to meet your bible.

532
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,160
So the ball apparently and the Canelo
Alvarez court, and let's see how they

533
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,519
respond. But so far the response
has not been the best. All right,

534
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,480
let's move on. As we mentioned, it is the women's undisputed middleweight

535
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:37,559
championship on the line in Detroit Little
Caesar's Arena Sturday night. Claressa Shields makes

536
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,599
her latest defense. It is a
replacement opponent from about a week and a

537
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,839
half ago. Maricela Cornejo is the
opponent. Okay, so give me a

538
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:52,000
little bit of insight into this one. Obviously, Claressa is the story,

539
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
the draw. This is in her
region. She's from Flint, Michigan.

540
00:32:55,079 --> 00:33:00,200
She's fighting in Detroit as a headline
fighter. It's on de Zoe own.

541
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,440
So gave me a little more about
this because this is the championship marquee fight

542
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,359
of the weekend. Dan there in
the preview bound Yeah, I mean I

543
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,039
know that had to switch opponents.
She was supposed to fight handing Gabriels,

544
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,880
who has won world titles and three
weight classes. That would have been a

545
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,319
rematch of a fight that Claressa one
the middleweight titles that were vacant back at

546
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,599
the time that they first fought,
and the hook if you will to the

547
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:24,720
fight, because in the end Claressa
actually won pretty handily in terms of the

548
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:30,400
decision. But the one sort of
selling point of the fight, the thing

549
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,400
that they kept talking about was that
the only person ever in Claressa's professional career

550
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,960
and she's now thirteen and oh as
well as her amateur career where she had

551
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680
you know what, she was like
seventy nine and one or something like that,

552
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,559
or seventy five and one, with
the one loss against Savannah Marshall,

553
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,599
which she avenged in her last fight
when she became the undisputed champion for the

554
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,279
second time by winning back a belt
that she already had but had given up

555
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,240
that Savannah subsequently won. In anyway, that's the selling point for Gabriels was

556
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,079
she knocked me down in round one, and I'm gonna go out there and

557
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,880
I'm going to knock her out now. This time. She was dropped from

558
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,039
that fight because she had a positive
drug test for a banned substance, and

559
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,360
so they got Marisela Cornejo on short
notice. And while yes, it is

560
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,599
short notice because it was like a
week ago, the reality is, according

561
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,559
to Corneo, as she's spoken about
this weekends and her comments during the press

562
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,880
conference and they're in the workouts,
she was thrilled because she was training for

563
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,400
a fight that was supposed to take
place on June the sixth, and she

564
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
was able to get out of that
fight and get a much more lucrative opportunity

565
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,400
to fight in terms of the money
as well as for the undisputed championship.

566
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,880
So she says, I'm already in
great shape. I was ready to go,

567
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,159
and I've just I've already been training, So this is just I'm switching

568
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,000
opponent's the same age way she is. But I've been ready and she's anxious

569
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,880
for the opportunity. Now, in
the terms of Cornejo's experience, you know,

570
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,199
she's been a pretty good fighters.
She's got five losses. She's sixteen

571
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,199
and five with six knockouts. She's
lost. Her three fights that she has

572
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,559
lost have come in world championship fights. She's fought for middleweight titles and super

573
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,360
middwaight titles. Two of her losses
are to Franchise Franchi On Cruise Dessern,

574
00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:00,239
who was currently the undisputed champion at
super middleweight, who, by the way,

575
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,039
is the woman that when Claressa turned
professional and franch On Cruise turned professional,

576
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,960
they fought each other amazingly. I
mean, two women that went on

577
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,639
to become, you know, pound
for pound level fighters faced off in a

578
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,360
tremendous battle in the four under I
was actually at that fight, was on

579
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,079
the undercard. I forget it was
the first fight of the second fight.

580
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,719
But one of the two Andre Word
Serage Covle fights point is franch On Cruise

581
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,800
is no joke and Cornejo lost a
super close decision to her in one fight

582
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,920
and then a little bit more of
a lopsided decision in the second fight.

583
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,199
But she's experienced against good quality opponents. She lost also in a world championship

584
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,400
fight to Cali Reese, also a
quality opponent. So Corney and my point

585
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,079
is Corney was not a bump.
She's a quality fighter contender in her own

586
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,280
right. And as it turns out, and this is helpful from the standpoint

587
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:52,239
of mandatories and all is that she
happens to be the mandatory or a number

588
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,760
one challenger in three of the four
organizations for Claresse's title belt. So this

589
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,239
is still despite the change. And
I mean, when I saved, I

590
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,719
actually think this is a better fight
than actually fought Gabriels in the rematch,

591
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,719
because she wiped out Gabriels just because
of the knockdown. So I'm more interested

592
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,199
personally in senior fight corn Yeo as
opposed to or rematch with Gabriels, even

593
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,840
though I mean, I I mean, it's hard to say Shields is going

594
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,199
to lose the fight. But this
is really all about Claressa's going home.

595
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,119
It's the first ever boxing match in
the Little Caesar's Arena, which is the

596
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:25,880
big arena in downtown where the Red
Wings play and where or the Pistons play.

597
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,760
So it's a first class, you
know, major league facility. Obviously

598
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,679
they're not going to have eighteen thousand, but they expect a pretty strong,

599
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,760
healthy, you know, crowd that
maybe could approach ten thousand, let's say,

600
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:40,840
from what I've heard from the Claressa
people. So this is the chance,

601
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,280
basically, and I'm not trying to
sell the fight. I'm just saying,

602
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,360
what the what the deal is here? You have CLARESSA Shields, who's

603
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,880
undisputed at middleweight. I think anybody
with a reasonable frame of mind would say

604
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,960
she is the number one fighter in
boxing, pound for pound, in women's

605
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,760
in the women's sport, and she's
back in action taking on a very reasonable

606
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,800
lenger for her titles. And Detroit's
a tremendous fight town, going all the

607
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,199
way back to Joe Lewis and the
arena being named after him, moving forward

608
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,760
to the Kronk Jim and Thomas Hearns
and all the Kronk fighters, great history

609
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,000
in Detroit. Let's see what kind
of atmosphere there is there. Will make

610
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:19,920
predictions on this fight and also on
the co feature fight with our Drill Holmes,

611
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,920
who is in the co feature bout
just before this one as a junior

612
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,320
middleweight in a contender fight, So
we'll talk about those on the bet Us

613
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,079
show coming Friday. Claress is massively
favored. I mean I've seen as much

614
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,079
as forty five to one on the
bet Us line that she's supposed to win

615
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,960
this fight. But ask yourself to
ask yourself this question. TJ. You

616
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,639
tell me with I can think of
maybe one or two exceptions. Who who

617
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,599
wouldn't she be almost double digit favorite
again? Right, that's true because she's

618
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,199
been that good in that dominant Yes, if she fought a rematch against Franchione

619
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,800
Cruz, for example, she would
still be favored heavily. It just not

620
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,400
it wouldn't be like ten to one. It might be like, you know,

621
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,480
six or seven to one, but
she'd still be a heavy duty favorite

622
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:08,199
against Frand I want to say,
even fighting Savannah Marshall in England, she

623
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,880
was still like seven to one,
we'll have to seven or eight to one,

624
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,039
something like that figger point. So
the problem it's not it's it's really

625
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,880
there's a lot of good quality female
boxers, you know, even in and

626
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:23,880
around her weight class. It's that
she's so superior technically and skill wise and

627
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:28,639
experience wise, and she's just a
winner, pure and simple. She is

628
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,199
a winner. I mean, she
won two Olympic gold medals. The one

629
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,440
loss she had against Savannah as an
amateur was a highly questionable decision when she

630
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,880
was like, I think seventeen years
old, So that's obviously been avenged in

631
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,159
a you know, a good fight, a competitive fight. But I don't

632
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,519
think anybody walked away from her match
up against Savannah in the pro fight that

633
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,400
was in her most recent doubt in
the fall, thinking like, Okay,

634
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,679
she didn't win that fight. Of
course she won the fight. So this

635
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,159
is not in any way in indictment
on Hannah Gabriel's on Cornejo, on France

636
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,639
on or any of these gals that
get in the ring and do their thing.

637
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,880
It's just that you're talking about,
you know, if we refer to

638
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:07,079
the fighters like Dmitri Bevil and Naiolia
in a way, and and Terence Crawford

639
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,440
or Errol Spence or you know,
any of the men that we view as

640
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:14,920
potential number one pound for pound in
women's boxing, there's really no argument in

641
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360
my opinion, she is number one
pound for pound Claressa Shields. And again

642
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,440
it's not a knock on the other
fine uh fighters out there. You know,

643
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,239
you could talk about whether it's a
Chantel Cameron with the big winner,

644
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,519
it's Katie Taylor, or it's Bomb
Gardener or any of any of the other

645
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,159
tremendous fighters that you know. Amanda
Serrano, whoever, Clarressa Shields is the

646
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,079
number one fighter in boxing. Maybe
Katie Taylor had the stronger argument till she

647
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,239
lost a couple of weeks ago in
Ireland, so we'll say Claressa hasn't been

648
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,559
beaten yet. So the other thing
about Claressa, by the way, is

649
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,000
oh so Katie she lost when she
went up and wait, but she's still

650
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,480
obviously a dominator at one thirty five. But part of the definition of pound

651
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,320
for pound is what if you were
fighting you know other way, you know

652
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,559
people that were all the same weight
class, But in the reality, you

653
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,599
can go up and down. So
she proved that she had trouble going up

654
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,880
to one forty to do business.
Claressa is the only women woman to be

655
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,760
undisputed in two weight classes, and
she's actually been a unified champion in three

656
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
web classes because she's currently undisputed at
one sixty. She formerly was the undisputed

657
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,840
at one fifty fourth till she moved
up. And when she first started her

658
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,119
career, she had unified I believe
it was three the titles, maybe it

659
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,920
was just two, but it was
at least two of the titles at Superman

660
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,760
Away. So she's done it up
and down the scale, and I mean

661
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,119
you know until further notice, she's
the best female boxer out there and as

662
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,519
much experience and as good as she's
fought in previous fights. Cornados in a

663
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,679
lot of trouble on Saturday. That's
the bottom line, all right. So

664
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,199
there we go with a little preview
mode there, a little more news than

665
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,119
some nostalgia, and then we're done
here on the podcast. All right,

666
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:45,639
don't snicker at me, Tim Zoo. We get news from Australia. You're

667
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,559
stickering Tim Zoo injured and not a
run of the mill injury. This is

668
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,559
so you were talking about Hannah Gabriels
is not in this fight with Claressa Shields.

669
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:59,679
And you laid it out beautifully that
she was using a cream on a

670
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,599
wound on her dog after surgery,
and that the cream may have gotten on

671
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:07,039
her fingers, on her hand and
inner system. And I joke with you

672
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,760
and said, not only the dog
gate my homework, but the dog failed

673
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,360
my VADA test. If that's the
excuse, and that's what's to be bleeded.

674
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,280
Now we got Tim Zoo's fight with
Carlos Ocampo scheduled to be in Australia

675
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,800
in the middle of this month.
In jeopardy because Zoo got bit by a

676
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,079
dog on his right forearm. And
not just a little nip or a little

677
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,320
nick. This was a significant dog
bite that is called into question about whether

678
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,639
this fight can go on. Tell
me more about your reporting on this,

679
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,000
because you were texting me and you're
like, Okay, everything looks like it

680
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,639
should be good, and I just
sent back one word raybias with an exclamation

681
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,840
point. He got bited by a
dog, Dan Rayfield, give me more.

682
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,000
According to his team who I was
in contact with, he was attending

683
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,920
like a barbecue or some kind of
social gathering. I mean, he's in

684
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,880
training camp, but guys still,
you know, they do unwind a little

685
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,159
bit after a hard day at the
gym, I guess, and he was

686
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,960
just Coincy was just charged by a
dog that was there at this gathering and

687
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,039
the dog bit him, as you
mentioned on the right form, and it

688
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,440
was bad enough where he actually had
to have like some kind of minor surgery

689
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:14,559
on the wound and get stitched up. And so before they can give him

690
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,239
the all clear, and maybe it's
already happened. I'm not sure because dar

691
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,679
timing is so much different than but
they're waiting and they were thinking it would

692
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,519
be this week that they would know
more particular, uh, you know,

693
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,639
make sure the wound is healing properly, that the stitches are okay, that

694
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,920
there's no infection, and then the
doctors would have to sign off on it.

695
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,679
But you know, as of when
it first happened, you know,

696
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,400
a few days ago, there is
there's concern legitimately, so that maybe he

697
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,000
would have to sit out to fight
now, Tims said, Apparently he wants

698
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,239
to, you know, according to
his people, he says, I want

699
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,280
to fight, and that's fine that
you know, he's a fighter. But

700
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,159
in the end it's going to be
up to his handlers and obviously more importantly

701
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,639
to the to the medical professionals and
to the commission folks that handle such events

702
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:57,599
in Australia. So hopefully he's okay
and well enough to go through with the

703
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,639
fight. If he can't, I
mean, he did just fight recently.

704
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,880
He's still waiting on Charlot to get
better and to have his hand healed.

705
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,159
So if he has to miss a
fight for an injury also, it's I

706
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,280
don't think the end of the world. But ideally he'll get a chance to

707
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,880
fight. You've got a good show
there with some guys on the undercard.

708
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,159
You know, you never like to
see shows get canceled because while it certainly

709
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,599
impacts fighters in the main event,
people don't don't think about all the you

710
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,679
know, the other It maybe ten
fighters or more on the undercard who was

711
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,920
out on their opportunity to do their
job to get paid and they've gone through

712
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,599
training camps. So hopefully Tim can
fight. But yet it is a very

713
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,159
freakaus injury, as somebody suggested to
me, So Tim Zoo, he's really

714
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,280
got dog in him, doesn't he? Or he had the dog on him?

715
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,079
Yeah, sure, And there was
probably a raby shot you would have

716
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:42,760
to think, just to be precautionary, as well as antibiotics and other things.

717
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,639
And we'll see. And as as
we release this podcast and Thursday becomes

718
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:51,880
Friday and Friday becomes Saturday, hopefully
we get good news that he's healing up,

719
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,360
and maybe it's after the weekend that
he's healing up. And that is

720
00:43:53,360 --> 00:44:00,840
a June seventeenth in the US,
June eighteenth, correct on Sunday in Australia.

721
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,039
The only other thing, and we
don't have to spend ten minutes on

722
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:06,840
this, The one other thing I
was thinking is if he is somehow going

723
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,840
to be healthier a week later.
I know that would be somewhat chaotic to

724
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,920
have it, maybe on Showtime,
which they intend to show it, but

725
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,119
the Australian TV arm would probably wait. The other fighters some may wait,

726
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,280
some may not on the undercard.
But if they had to wait a week

727
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,119
because of this to make sure that
he's fully healthy, wouldn't that hypothetically,

728
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,559
I'm not saying it is. Wouldn't
it hypothetically be an option for the next

729
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,199
week or maybe two weeks later in
June. I don't know that it goes

730
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,079
much beyond two weeks. I don't
need if he needed a week, hypothetically

731
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:38,719
maybe that could happen. We don't
know. We're not reporting that. I'm

732
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,199
not I'm not sure what the status
of what Showtime we do or what the

733
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,199
Australia pay per view, But one
thing for sure is that the money that

734
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,679
will come from the show, from
the pay per view in Australia is I'm

735
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:52,199
sure more than the money that Showtime
is paying. So that's who they would

736
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,360
have to answer to first. The
idea ideal thing is like, hopefully he's

737
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,360
either okay and they can go through
with the fight as scheduled, or if

738
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,840
they have to postpone it for a
little bit or canceled outright, you know,

739
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,960
that would be unfortunate, but it
maybe one of the possibilities. So

740
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,239
hopefully, like I said, hopefully
he's okay. And I'll say this also,

741
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:12,239
I've written a countless stories and things
about fights that had been postponed or

742
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,639
canceled for different injuries, and I
must say that this is my first,

743
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,119
a dog bite being one of them
i've written, you know, the one

744
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,440
that springs might remember. Remember zab
Judah once had a call off a fight

745
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:29,519
because he he fell through a glass
door and a shower. Alexander put his

746
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,840
hand right, yeah, so he
had some cuts in the fight was called

747
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,480
off. There was one fight years
ago and I dont remember the opponent was

748
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,679
where it was. I believe it
was Alexander Povetkin, the heavyweight was involved

749
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,039
in what was a pretty big fight
at the time. They had a call

750
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:45,440
off the fight because he tripped over
a tree route while he's out doing roadwork

751
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,039
and messed up as like ankle or
a schnee or something. But I've heard

752
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,480
like lots of weird reasons for fights
being postponed. Getting bit by a dog

753
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,239
is the first one, the first
time i've and just one more time.

754
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,679
This is not an insignificant dog,
but he had over twenty stitches close up

755
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,239
the gash of what happened, so
it's significant, and hopefully over the course

756
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,400
of the next couple of days,
three days, four days, whatever,

757
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,599
we'll get good news. So keep
it locked in on Dan Substack. Maybe

758
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:14,360
we'll have good news by the time
we do the fight Freaks Unite recap coming

759
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,519
off the weekend, that this fight
is a go ahead for a couple of

760
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:21,639
weeks from now and can happen in
Australia. All right, what else?

761
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,559
Speaking of Australia, George Cambosis,
that fight is official for later this year.

762
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:29,239
What other what other news items do
we need before we do some nostalgia

763
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,280
and we're done well with the George
Cambosis. Right, We've reported about this,

764
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,400
but they made it official today.
He is returning. As I've mentioned

765
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,559
in previous notebooks and on this podcast, I believe he's fighting Max and Hughes

766
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:42,920
an IBF eliminator for number two,
but it's been officially announced. Remember,

767
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,239
we'd already discussed that he's signed a
contract extension with Lou Debella and now he's

768
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,960
also going to be co promoted by
Top Rank. He is a very good

769
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,280
name in the lightweight division, forward
unified champion. So this is his first

770
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,599
fight under that new agreement. It
will be Maxi Hughes. It will take

771
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:58,960
place in Shawnee, Oklahoma. It
will headline the July twenty second Top rank

772
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,360
ESPN of and UH. They'll fight
in a in an opportunity to move a

773
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,239
step closure to a mandatory position.
Remember, with Devin Haney still undetermined whether

774
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,599
he's going to remain as a lightweight
or go to one forty. If he

775
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,920
does go to one forty, all
these belts are going to become vacant and

776
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,599
it's gonna put him or Maxie Hughes
a winner to fight for that vacant title

777
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,480
against the number one contender who I'm
not sure off top my head who it

778
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,440
is, but in any event,
so that's the that's the card that that

779
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,960
was the main event that was announced, and then on the under card they

780
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,559
also announced the lightweight prospect, the
number one prospect in the sport in my

781
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,559
opinion, because I picked him as
a twenty and twenty two prospect of the

782
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:36,199
Year is Keishan Davis that the Olympic
silver medal winner eight and oh with six

783
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,559
knockouts. He will be in a
ten rounder. In the co feature,

784
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:43,199
he'll take on the former European champion
from Belgium, Francisco Petera twenty and three

785
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,599
with ten knockouts. You know,
pretty solid opponent for this stage of his

786
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,039
career. And uh, that's that's
a that's not a bad Midsummer show,

787
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,000
a nice main event with some stakes. Maxie Hughes has been on a great

788
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:58,519
winning streak and has pulled some upsets. Fearless about taken on cambosis or doing

789
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:00,280
it on neutral territory. So one
guys Australia, one guys from the UK.

790
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,800
They'll fight in Oklahoma, and you
got Keishan who's taken on a reputable

791
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,519
guy who I think is one of
the if not the very best prospect in

792
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:14,920
the sport. So nice, nice
doubleheader there and I'll be watching all right.

793
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,599
And the WBA is announced that they
have a couple of fights that they

794
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:22,840
have ordered as well, real quick
on those. So we saw Leewood regain

795
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:28,480
the WBA featherweight title last week.
He got the pretty lopsided victory over Mauriceo

796
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,519
Laura to avenge his knockout loss.
And we know he heard a lot of

797
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:35,400
talk about after the fight, like
he wants to fight Josh Warrington. That

798
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,880
would be a huge fight for the
UK. Warrington is a former IBF champion.

799
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,960
They're both with Matcham and that's the
fight that Eddie Herne has wanted to

800
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,840
do. And that's not to say
that they can't perhaps still work it out.

801
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,599
But there's a fighter, an excellent
fighter, who most people have not

802
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,719
heard of. He's from whose deck
stand. I have watched this kid,

803
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,079
and let me tell you, as
God is my witness, this guy can

804
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,039
fight. He's a real legit guy
and I might even make him the favorite

805
00:48:55,039 --> 00:49:00,400
over Leewood. But his name is
Odebek Kalmatov and he just won an elimination

806
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,800
fight over the undefeated Thomas Patrick Ward, who was like thirty and oh when

807
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,280
they fought each other, and he
absolutely destroyed him. He's a real guy.

808
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,480
He's only got about eleven or twelve
pro fights, but he was one

809
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:12,599
of these top amateurs that didn't need
a lot of seasoning in the pros.

810
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,039
But in any event, he is
by winning that fight over Thomas Patrick Ward

811
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,239
put him in the number one position, and the w BA quite a while

812
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,039
ago when that happened, ordered that
he would be able to be the mandatory

813
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,880
to face the winner of the rematch
between Laura and Wood, which they approved

814
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,079
instead of the mandatory. So they
already had given essentially an exception to doing

815
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,360
the mandatory. So they put out
their letter this week saying they have thirty

816
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,239
days to negotiate the Komatov camp and
the Lee Wood camp to negotiate a dealer

817
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,400
they'll call a purse bid. But
the fight, you know, because obviously

818
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,000
Lee just fought. It's not like
he's going back in the training camp tomorrow.

819
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,360
The point is, though they say
the fight can happen no later than

820
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,880
September twenty six, so it's always
possible that science can work out agreements,

821
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,400
and you know, if nobody has
aggrieved that they can move on and do

822
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,480
something else. So it wouldn't shock
me, frankly if somehow the Lee would

823
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:02,360
call tough fight was put on hold
and they did allow that to happen,

824
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:06,079
if he's willing to take some kind
of step aside. But the point is

825
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,760
they are following their rules. This
was not a surprise. Everybody knew it

826
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,639
before the maricol R fight. The
Komatov was next in line, so they

827
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,000
ordered that fight and the other fight
that they ordered was in the one hundred

828
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,320
forty pound weight class. Same situations, you know, thirty days to make

829
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,639
a deal, otherwise a purse bit. Again, possibilities exist. I suppose

830
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,679
depending on how things are organized and
arranged and negotiated that perhaps this white weight.

831
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,119
But in any event, they ordered
Roly Romero, who has got the

832
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,000
WBA's one hundred forty pound title.
As terrible as a situation as that was

833
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:38,960
with it against Barroso, with that
horrendous, horrendous, horrendous, horrendous,

834
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:45,920
horrendous, horrendous stoppage. I got
five horrendouses there. But again this was

835
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,320
not something that was unknown. They
said this before the fight, so they're

836
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,039
not springing this or not not following
their rules. That they've ordered him to

837
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,760
fight the mandatory which is O'Hara Davies, So that fight was ordered. Also

838
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,800
again, maybe they can do a
rematch with Brrosso, maybe he'll get Ryan

839
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,559
see the fight that Ryan has been
asking for, et cetera. But the

840
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:07,159
bottom line is the WBA has followed
their rules and ordered these two mandatories.

841
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:09,239
And I've seen some people, oh, you know the WBA. You know,

842
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,400
they're they're standing in the way of
this fight. You know, of

843
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,800
course they're ordering that they didn't order
a Barosso rematch. And my perspective is,

844
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,639
look, you know, you're looking
at the guy that's been the number

845
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,239
one critic of the w BA,
maybe in the history of critics of the

846
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,440
WBA. I mean, I wrote
a Calm once where I called through their

847
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,039
abolition and to make the world of
safer better place, and have consistently referred

848
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:34,320
to them as the wretched WBA.
Continue. So my point was very simple.

849
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,840
Had they allowed him to do a
rematch of Barosso and denied the mandatory

850
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,719
they already ordered against O'Hara Davis,
you'd have the same people bitching and moaning

851
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,440
that they're allowing O'Hara Davis to do
the mandatory and not ordering the rematch.

852
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:50,360
If the shoe was on the other
foot and they reversed that scenario, they

853
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,760
would complain about the opposite. Like
the WBA was in a situation where they

854
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,320
really can't win. It's sort of
like pick the you know, what's the

855
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:01,039
what's the least worst option. I
guess in some sense the choice where,

856
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:05,719
you know, do we order the
Barroso rematch, which makes sense based on

857
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,920
how he got fucked so hard in
that fight by Tony Weeks, or do

858
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,360
we go through with what we already
said was the case and followed throughout our

859
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:19,639
rules and order the O'Hara Davis mandatory
or you know, so I think they're

860
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,760
they're doing the best they can in
this situation. In an ideal world,

861
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,079
you know, I'd like to see
if they have to go down this road,

862
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,679
let that Rolie fight against Davies happen, and then let Barroso get a

863
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:35,599
shot at the winner. But then
again, you know, if Rolie somehow

864
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:39,119
I had the opportunity with the title
at stake to fight Ryan Garcia, I

865
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:42,760
mean, again, he is coming
off a loss, but it's obviously a

866
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,519
big money fight for everybody involved.
I mean, there's really no good solution,

867
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,559
but they're following their rules and anyway, the meaning that he they're ordering

868
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,400
the Davies fight for Rolie instead of
the Barroso rematch. If they had ordered

869
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,800
the barross Her rematch and denied Davies, you'd have some segment of people that

870
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,280
would bitch that they hilated their rules
by screwing their mandatory. So you can't

871
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,480
have it both ways. I understand, you know, like we like to

872
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,039
if we're in WWE, you can
do a triple threat match and I've all

873
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:14,639
three in the ring at the same
time. That is not happening. We

874
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,639
can tell you about things that could
happen. We will definitely tell you that

875
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,719
is not happening. That is the
that is the point, all right,

876
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,280
So some good stuff there on the
news, Okay, nostalgia Obviously Saturday,

877
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,679
we commemorate the passing of Muhammad Ali. That was seven years ago that Ali

878
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,000
uh passed away from complications with Parkinson's
UH and and post fight the greatest,

879
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,679
simply the greatest. And I love
going back not only and reliving his fights,

880
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:44,360
but going back and reliving all the
interviews and the conversation and all of

881
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,599
the different stuff that was out there
from Muhammad Did you realize do you know

882
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:52,719
this that Muhammad Ali actually played Muhammad
Ali and the Muhammad Ali movie in the

883
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,880
late seventies, the made for TV
movie. A lot of people don't realize

884
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:00,599
that he acted as Muhammad Ali playing
Muhammad Ali, and it's play him better

885
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,079
than himself. Yes, of course, it's kind of like did a good

886
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,440
job in the movie, but it's
still not the same. I mean,

887
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,440
who else was gonna win that in
the casting besides Muhammad Once Muhammad Ali decided

888
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:12,639
he was gonna go and try out
for the part, who else is gonna

889
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:16,239
win that? But the greatest,
the greatest passed away June third of twenty

890
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:22,519
sixteen, seven years ago. And
we cannot overstate enough for the younger generation

891
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:24,079
and the younger fight fans. I
mean, I'm gonna I'm talking to you,

892
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,440
gen z, I'm talking to you
that all think that boxing started in

893
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,360
two thousand and eight. Muhammad Ali
was the biggest of the biggest deals for

894
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,320
the better part of fifteen years,
from the mid sixties till till about nineteen

895
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:45,840
eighty. He was the biggest worldwide
of deals in sports more than just boxing.

896
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,639
It was because all things did outside
the ring. Um he was the

897
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,239
greatest and and and should always be
revered as the great I will tell people

898
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,440
if they're if you know, there's
been so much written in and said about

899
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,920
Ali. There's been so many uh
film about him, documentary's done about him,

900
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,840
about certain fights, certain parts of
his life. But if you're looking

901
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,440
for the look like the deepest dive
of the overall history of this, of

902
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,559
this of this man's life, not
just like the Foreman Fighter, the Frasier

903
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:17,800
Fighter or whatever. I can't recommend
highly enough the PBS documentary that aired.

904
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,679
I believe it was last year,
um, maybe his year before that.

905
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,559
Ken Burns did who was the great
American documentary maker who's done other other boxing

906
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,920
related documentaries. He did a fantastic
documentary on Jack Johnson, which I find

907
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,039
myself watching, uh you know,
probably a couple times a year. But

908
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,519
the ALI doc, which is uh, you know about I think it's about

909
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,400
eight hours long altogether, but it
flies by. It is just it to

910
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,320
me. And and I'm I'm slightly
friendly with ken Burns, having met him

911
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,719
a few times when he was doing
other projects. So I actually messaged him

912
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,400
after I watched Ali, and I
told him, I said, listen,

913
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,239
I mean, you've done a lot
of great docs, Baseball, civil War,

914
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,880
you can name a thousand things that
he's done. The ALI, and

915
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,920
I've seen millions of Alley Docks.
It's the best one period, not even

916
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,960
close. I mean, it's so
beautifully done. It hits all the right

917
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,480
notes. It didn't really cut too
much out or give too much short shrift,

918
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,400
because when you're doing this magnitude of
a life with this many things,

919
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,199
it's hard to really treat everything fairly
and get everything in. But they had

920
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:20,119
the right interviews that had the right
pacing. It covered the big events,

921
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,199
some of the smaller things. They
had great archival footage. They had the

922
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,119
co operation from members of Ali's family. They had the cooperation from Bob Aram

923
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,239
who obviously was the promoter for you
know, something like twenty seven of Ali's

924
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,360
fights and did you know a huge
amount of business with him and was there

925
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,960
in front row for all these events, so he knew a lot of what

926
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:40,760
was going on in the background.
Anyway, I encourage you to watch it.

927
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,360
But yeah, his death was when
it happened. It wasn't just any

928
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:52,000
old great sports icon passing away.
He was a global HiCon from far more

929
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,039
than just his boxing career. But
boxing is what made him his name as

930
00:56:55,039 --> 00:57:00,000
an Olympic gold medal winner, as
the first ever three time heavyweight world champion.

931
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,119
Some of the biggest fights in the
history of boxing. I mean there's

932
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:05,280
so many, you know, whether
it's the list in fights or it's the

933
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,519
three Joe Frasier fights, or that
the Romo in the Jungle, Big Giant

934
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:13,960
upset against George Foreman, the return
to win the title the third time when

935
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,400
he revenged the loss to Leon Spinks, and the trilogy with Kenny Norton.

936
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,159
I mean, he's just got one
huge fight after another, Floyd Patterson,

937
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,119
and you know, just pick a
guy. I mean, he fought everybody,

938
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:28,039
Larry Holmes, which was obviously not
a memorable one if you're an Alby

939
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,000
fan, but an important fight in
the history of boxing, and even up

940
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:34,719
to the last fight he ever had
against Trevor Burbick, who you know,

941
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,760
it's interesting, Trevor Berbick is the
link between Ali and Tyson because he defeated

942
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,239
Ali in the last fight of Ali's
career, went on to become the WBC's

943
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,159
heavyweight champion, and then who took
the title from Burbicks up you're playing the

944
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:51,000
six degrees of separation. How do
you draw the lineback? You know,

945
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Tyson beat Burbick, and Burbick beat
Ali, and Alie beat you know,

946
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,079
Foreman and so on and so forth. So it's, uh, you know,

947
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,400
he's that that that that important link
to those two ears. But uh

948
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,920
yeah, I mean we're gonna talk. I'll talk a little bit about the

949
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:08,320
fact that on that anniversary when Mohammad
passed in twenty sixteen, when it happened,

950
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:14,480
I was in California covering the WBC
Junior Lightweight Championship fight between the then

951
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,440
champion, Francisco Vargas and Orlando Sledo, would also had a title in that

952
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,920
weight division, and they were fighting
in what was then the Stubb Hub Center,

953
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:25,920
And so obviously I was around a
lot of boxing people when the word

954
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,280
came that Mohammad had passed. This
was the night before the fight when I

955
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,880
went to the fight that so that
was obviously a huge deal. The two

956
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,199
fighters, you know, they they
honored Ali. I don't remember which one,

957
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:38,280
but I think one of them was
wearing like an Ali shirt coming into

958
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,880
the ring. They there was the
moment of silence and the ringing of the

959
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,280
ten Dells Frali in the stadium that
night that I can still feel like the

960
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:52,639
chills you got because people were so
respectful and so not like happy that he

961
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:55,280
had passed, of course, but
they were just they honored him with the

962
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,239
cheers were just like outlandishly loud,
and then not to say this wouldn't have

963
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:06,280
happened anyway, because the way that
Francisco Vargas and Orlando Salido fight are all

964
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,440
action type warriors. But they went
out there and they laid it all on

965
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,440
the line, and you know,
they said it was partly in their attributes

966
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,400
to Ali to put on a great
fight, but they tore each other up.

967
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,840
It was a draw, and it
turned out to be, at least

968
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,360
from my opinion, it was the
two thousan sixteen fight of the year.

969
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,880
They put on an absolutely sensational battle. Francisco Vargas retained the title. Slido

970
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:31,519
obviously did not win the title,
but fantastic draw. I'm you know,

971
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:36,679
being there, I've covered several fights
in the in the tennis stadium there in

972
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,280
Carson, where they've had so many
great matchups, But that was a truly

973
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:45,800
special night because of the the the
feeling in the crowd as as they as

974
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,679
everybody honored Muhammad Ali and then these
two great warriors went out there and gave

975
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,760
a fight worthy of the greatest Muhammad
Ali fight, a Frasier Ali kind of

976
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,880
fight, and uh, it was
very much of an unforgetable experience to be

977
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,119
there on the night after Muhammed Ali
passed some good nostalgia and tying it in.

978
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:05,440
And by the way, if we're
going with the nostalgia, also as

979
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,760
we released the podcast for Saturday,
June the fourth, you can go backwards

980
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:15,920
to Miguel Koto fighting at Yankee Stadium
and you were there ringside that night as

981
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,760
well, some more nostalgia with Koto
and Ury Foreman. Right, Yeah,

982
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,559
so that was a fight. That's
what is now the Yankee Stadium across the

983
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:27,880
street from the former stadium that they
had torn down, but still a Yankee

984
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,079
Stadium, home of my New York
Yankees, my favorite team. They hadn't

985
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:35,800
had a fight at Yankee Stadium when
well, when Miguel and Miguel, when

986
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,320
Miguel and Uri Forman fought that fight
in twenty it was the first fight to

987
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,960
day place at Yankee Stadium. Obviously, one I'm gonna mention was at the

988
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,159
stadium that was built that was torn
down across the street. That was one

989
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:50,039
of the fights between Muhammad Ali and
Kenny Norton that took place in nineteen seventy

990
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:52,960
six at Yankee Stadium. So it
had been thirty four years since it had

991
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,119
been a boxing event in the stadium. Top Rank put that on the gel

992
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:00,320
of course, was a huge draw
among the Puerto Rican community in New York.

993
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,719
They drew a gargantuan crowd for a
boxing match over thirty thousand at Younge

994
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,920
Stadium. They set the ring up
basically behind second base, sort of in

995
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,440
like the outfield, So where where
we were sitting in in terms of some

996
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,239
of the seats and the press area, we were like basically in centerfield.

997
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:20,440
But looking at I guess what would
be the first base railing in the outfield

998
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:25,320
with the third base railing behind us. And it was a tremendous atmosphere.

999
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,679
A little drizzly that night, so
kind of a weird sort of atmosphere from

1000
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:34,559
that standpoint. Uriforman was the WBA
champion at one hundred and fifty four pounds.

1001
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:39,360
Remember Miguel, he had done a
gallant and valiant effort against Manny Pacyo,

1002
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,480
but lost his welterweight title by knockout
in his previous fight. When that

1003
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:46,000
was over with, he decided to
move up and wait, and in his

1004
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:50,639
first fight he got a shot at
Uriforman, who was also with Top rank

1005
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,320
and they made a big event and
uh, you know, Aaron promoted that

1006
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:58,199
Ali Norton fight that was at Yana
Stadium. He also promoted this Miguel Coda

1007
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,320
Uriforman fight and it turned out to
be quite an event. I mean it

1008
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,159
maybe not wasn't fight of the year, but there were certainly some memorable moments.

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If you were there. You remember
Uriforman had had suffered a knee injury

1010
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,320
during the fight and the corner tried
to stop the fight by throwing in the

1011
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,679
towel, and Arthur mccanty was the
referee. He did not accept it and

1012
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,800
the phraseology that he used, come
on, suck it up, Champ.

1013
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,239
I mean, I don't think that
was appropriate. The corner stopping the fight.

1014
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,480
You stop the fight. But nonetheless
Eurie got up and showed bravery and

1015
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:28,920
heart. He ultimately got stopped because
of the knee and Miguel Codo ended up

1016
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,440
winning the title at one hundred and
fifty four pounds, on his way to

1017
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:37,239
becoming the first ever Puerto Rican mail
boxer to win world championships in four different

1018
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:39,239
way classes. He had been the
Champ eight champion at one forty. Obviously,

1019
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,599
he had done so at one forty
seven, which he then lost him

1020
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:46,400
Manny Paco. He then won this
WBA title against Uriforman. He would go

1021
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,760
on to become the middleweight champion,
the linear middleweight champion to boot against Sergio

1022
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,880
Martinez. But that was a very
big crowning moment for Miguel to win that

1023
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,360
title and that kind of venue on
that kind of night, with that kind

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,280
of crowd and that on atmosphere and
his you know, basically what was his

1025
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,519
city, um you know at a
bring Yankee Stadium back into boxing, which

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01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:12,039
had hosted by the way, something
like forty six previous fights before Miguel and

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01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:14,960
UH and Uri Forman. Maybe that
was the forty six fight, but they

1028
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:20,679
had hosted numerous fights and UH buildings
that were called Yankee Stadium through the years

1029
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:23,639
that hosted some very big fights,
some of the Rocky Marciano, Joe Lewis

1030
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:28,559
just some of the names that obviously
headlined among among others that held out at

1031
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,360
Yankees Staium. That was yeah,
I mean and listen, as a New

1032
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,840
York Yankee fan, for me to
be able to go, I was gonna

1033
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,320
ask you, I was gonna go
there. When you walked in there to

1034
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,239
that setup, did you had to
have a moment where you're going wow,

1035
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,320
almost like a fan, Wow,
this is really cool. There's thirty thousand

1036
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,079
people here and this is Yankee Stadium, right, So I have been to

1037
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,440
what is now that I had been
to Old Yankee Stadium just as a fan

1038
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,559
many times. I'd actually even been
there as a journalist before in my in

1039
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:59,360
my former pre boxing life. Um, so I you know, as a

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,239
lifelong fan, that was a thrill
to go cover a game there. And

1041
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:03,519
also obviously I've been there many times
for a ball game just as a fan

1042
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,119
with friends and family. I've been
to the World Series there and that sort

1043
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:09,960
of thing. So, but I
had yet I've now been to games at

1044
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,119
new at what is now New Yankee
Stadium. But my first time being in

1045
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:15,440
New Yankee Stadium wasn't for a baseball
game. It was actually for the boxing

1046
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,440
event. So when I got there, it was like, I was like

1047
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,760
thrill. So I'll tell you a
little funny thing about that. During the

1048
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,039
undercard there was a break and we're
like literally sitting on our chairs at the

1049
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,400
press area in the outfield, and
you could like walk back where the media

1050
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,199
area was or where the backstage stuff
was you kind of walked behind yourself into

1051
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,440
there was like an open gate.
You could go on to the concourse and

1052
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,519
you could like go to the press
room or you know, go to the

1053
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:43,639
bathroom or get a soda or whatever. Right next to Monument Park in the

1054
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:45,800
Yankees Stadium, which if you're familiar, it's where the Yankees have the statues

1055
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,320
and the retired numbers for all the
great former Yankees, you know, from

1056
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,440
Babe Ruth to Don Mattingley and now
Derek Jeter and all the greats in between.

1057
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,920
Anyway, I took a twenty minutes
where there was nothing going on,

1058
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:00,679
or maybe there was some crappy undercard
fight that I didn't if a shit about,

1059
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,679
and I literally went into Monument Park, which was open. I wasn't

1060
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,119
like, you know, doing anything
that was against the rules, and I

1061
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:10,760
was literally like by myself in Monument
Park and I spent like twenty minutes just

1062
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,760
going through it. I took pictures
of like, you know, Reggie Jackson's

1063
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,360
plaque and Babe Ruth statue, and
Joe DiMaggio making Mantle absolutely Babe Ruth,

1064
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,639
lou garret all the great Yankees.
And that was a blast because if you

1065
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:26,000
go there as a civilian to a
game and you want to get in to

1066
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:28,599
take the tour, you gotta wait
online for a long time, and there's

1067
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:31,800
a shipload of people in there.
I basically a monument park to myself and

1068
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:35,960
was able to hang out there and
just enjoy myself. And I, by

1069
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,840
the way, another thing that was
one of those you are who you are?

1070
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,800
Yeah, No, it's because I'm
a Yankee fan. End up happening

1071
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,199
to be open when I went back
to take a piss. Like, my

1072
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:47,880
wife does not go to a lot
of boxing matches. I mean, you

1073
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,320
know, she's been a couple of
times over the years, but uh,

1074
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,880
I forget what the reason was.
But she was in New York with me

1075
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,840
that part of that week, and
she and my mother in law who who

1076
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,239
passed away a few years after,
but my mother in law who was at

1077
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,239
my old box again, my my
wife and my mother in law were at

1078
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:08,400
that fight also and had a great
time. Wow. Yankee Stadium, June

1079
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,639
fourth, twenty ten. Miguel Codo, all right, I'm just gonna piggyback

1080
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:15,760
for quick sixty second story that I
had a brush with Kdo never covered any

1081
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,480
of his fights, watched them on
TV. Obviously two thousand and six.

1082
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,519
Four years before this, March of
two thousand and six, the first World

1083
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:30,440
Baseball Classic was taking place, which
again this is something that they do about

1084
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,119
every three or four years where all
the countries play. This was the first

1085
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,519
one of the United States plays,
Mexico plays, all the Caribbean countries,

1086
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:42,239
Japan plays, Korea plays, even
Australia, etc. Like Europe is about

1087
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:45,760
the only one that doesn't really participate
as much, although I think England had

1088
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,679
a team this year in the World
Baseball Classic. So anyway, the World

1089
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:53,199
Baseball Classic had different venues in the
early rounds, Raphael, one of the

1090
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,960
venues was in San Juan, Puerto
Rico. So I'm there doing the baseball

1091
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,599
play by play for XM satellite radio. Prior to the merger was serious.

1092
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,400
I was wondering where you're going with
that? Okay, So I'm there to

1093
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,199
do play by play. We go
to a restaurant for lunch in San Juan

1094
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:12,320
as a crew with my color commentator, the engineer, the translator, the

1095
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,440
producer. There's about five of us. We are seated at a restaurant and

1096
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,519
I'll even give the name called El
Che in San Juan and all of a

1097
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:26,400
sudden, Miguel Codo and Honorage come
into the restaurant, about six or seven

1098
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,400
of him, including his wife,
and sit down right next to us.

1099
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:39,280
And my engineer who's Puerto Rican and
the translator capital Flippe d flipped out because

1100
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,800
my man Codo in his heyday was
sitting right next to us in the restaurant.

1101
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,880
So all I am saying to you
is you have had numerous brushes with

1102
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,239
all these greats, including Codo or
whomever. I don't have a boxing brush

1103
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:55,119
with Codo, but I got a
San Juan, Puerto Rico lunch brush with

1104
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:59,159
Miguel Codo in two thousand and six. I pig you back on your nostalgia.

1105
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:00,360
I can't say it had a brush
with Coda. I covered his entire

1106
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,480
career. I covered, I think, I mean off top of head.

1107
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,440
I want to say that I was
ringside for about twenty five or twenty six

1108
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:11,320
Miguel Codo fights, including in Puerto
Rico, and including most of you can't

1109
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,320
overstate, and I know you echo
this, how big of a legend in

1110
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,239
Puerto Rico. He still is?
He still is right now in twenty twenty

1111
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:23,760
three. I know Miguel had the
public persona as being very stoic and maybe

1112
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,319
not with the greatest personality. But
again, I'm not his best friend,

1113
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,720
but you know, you get to
know him over the time, you know,

1114
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,600
I can. I remember when I
showed up in Puerto Rico and I

1115
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,800
was there with Tim Smith, who
at the time was the New York Daily

1116
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:41,600
News boxing requorter. Now currently he
is the vice president of communications for Hayman

1117
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,880
Boxing. It works with PBC,
but he was still writing at the Daily

1118
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,720
News and the two of us,
you know, had traveled to come to

1119
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,960
the fight, and Miguel knew us
from covering so many of his other fights.

1120
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:51,840
I feel like when we when we
went up to him after like the

1121
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,520
press comments, and he realized that
we were there to cover him, Like

1122
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,119
I think he was genuinely touched that
we had traveled all this way to have

1123
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,960
to cover his fight, which was
not a megafight he was fighting. I

1124
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,159
don't remember that it was. I
remember who it was, to be honest

1125
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:09,119
with the opponent that night, but
he defended his title in Puerto Rico,

1126
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:13,479
and he's just again I told you
about the stoic sort of personality that maybe

1127
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,840
comes off to the public when you
get to know him a little bit.

1128
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:21,479
Miguel was a very thoughtful and friendly
guy. Later on he kind of loosened

1129
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,279
up a little bit, got a
little bit more of a sense of humor

1130
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,439
about him, and again, just
a just a good decent human being.

1131
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,800
I said that same explanation when I
described the personality of Errol Spence. They

1132
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,960
go quote A very good decent guy, all right, A joy by the

1133
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,840
way, an absolute thrill, enjoyed
a cover. Miguel gave the fans more

1134
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:45,119
I think bang for their buck entertainment
wise, and just about any fighter of

1135
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,000
modern vintage with a few exceptions,
but he was always a guy that gave

1136
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:51,319
everything you had. I think we've
given everything that we could have here on

1137
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:55,800
this preview. You've gotten lots of
nostalgia, lots of news. Glaressa Shields

1138
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:00,680
again, Women's undisputed middleweight title fight
Saturday night, and I think we're good.

1139
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,960
We'll be back on the bet US
Show coming Friday, one Eastern time.

1140
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,319
Depending on when you're hearing us,
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1141
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:10,920
platform's YouTube, Twitter, Twitch Live
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1142
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,680
we'll have some other give and take. Hey, we'll answer your questions

1143
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,840
live as well on bet us if
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1144
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,399
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1145
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:25,680
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1146
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,760
like to say in closing, we're
back to recap. It's Sunday into Monday,

1147
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,800
Sunday night into Monday on the Fight
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1148
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:35,920
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1149
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,640
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1150
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,560
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1151
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1152
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:47,960
Look forward doing good enough on that. There he is our in Saturday

1153
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,600
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1157
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1158
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