Hello, and welcome to the show. We've got a great one for you
tonight. First of all, the first part of the show is uh were
recorded, um, it was done on Sunday, and I am very happy
to have well, my former basically newscaster Michael Luck is joining us. Alejandro
Rojas is on a cruise as I mentioned last week, and with h with
Michael Luck, I have the one and only Calvin Parker. We're gonna be
talking about the Pascagoula incident, how it all came about to where he's at
today. There's a lot of things going on and exciting things for Calvin and
the case itself. We're going to talk a bit about that. And after
the first break, I have a Charlotte man is going to be talking.
Her grandfather was the one that was involved in the Cape Girard Girardo. Thank
you, Michael, Cape Girardo incident. You always did bail me out,
Michael, Thank you. Incident back in nineteen forty one. It was a
reverend that came to all it's actually summoned to a crash site to bless these
small bodies. We're gonna be talking all about that, and that starts after
the first break. For now, I think I will introduce the guests,
the guy that just bailed me out, Michael Locke and Calvin Parker. Welcome,
all right, thanks for having us, Martin, Yeah, thanks for
having us. It's good to be back. I know, Michael, I've
spent a long time since you've been on the show, right, A couple
three four years? Maybe? Oh? Probably? Yeah, I've weird schedules
always, so you know. And the last time I think I was on,
I was guest hosting for you, so you weren't on. That's right,
that's all right. I think with Stanton Friedman maybe, yes, I'm
the guy who interviewed stan Freedman. And we didn't talk about UFOs, not
even flying saucers. No, no, no, no, no, how
about that. Now, we talked about his career. It was great.
Oh that's awesome. Well, now I want to Michael, I want to
thank you because this whole thing that has happened with Calvin all started with you.
You wrote a blog and back in twenty thirteen about the Pasca Goula incident,
and Calvin reached out to me about that blog, and one thing led
to another, and boy, hasn't ever snowballed ever since? That hasn't it,
Calvin, Oh, I guarantee you, it's been a real blessing this
show to me. It put me in touch with Philip and a lot of
other things. And I mean it's just gone wild. Every day something new
comes up. I'm on Philip Phillip's melling list, and I can't I can't
get over it. It seems like every day there's something major going on.
Why don't you tell us what's happened? Since? What is going on?
As far as you've been on news stations, you've been on all kinds of
things. Yeah, it's been a lot of all major news stations such as
Fox News, water World than all these local stations around here. But it's
been a number of news stations that I've been owned. I never really wrote
this book to to get it popular. Nothing. I did it to just
set the record straight and my story because it had been changed so much by
the news. And I had every news agents in a world bad at me
because I wouldn't give an interview. Now all of us wanting to come to
me, they won't interviews with me, And of course I do it.
I'm gonna do it for about a year or so. I remember you saying
that, and then you're just gonna fade back into the background again. Right,
that's exactly right, hopefully this coming October. Now, I've already got
a couple of conferences that I signed up for and on a contract. I'll
do them after, you know, next year. But as far as that
one day over, I'm I'm gone. I'm I'll be fishing again. I've
a y off bread. I think Michael's article that was one you didn't have
to correct it. I don't believe. I remember you just writing me about
it and I said, this isn't d Calvin Parker, is it? No
one could get a hold of you for years, right, Oh, I
would have completely avoid everything, But for some reason I was drawn to the
article and I felt I needed to respond some but I really didn't want to
get into spotlight. But as you know, that all changed pretty much.
Yeah. Yeah, if it had been for you, Martin, they wouldn't
be a book. Because Philip contacted you to get a hold of me,
and that's the way that we touched base together. Yeah. I remember when
you and I had a conversation, you said you were thinking about a book,
right, at that time I was, but all it was was a
thought. I gave it up until I decided to write a book. It
was still a thought. I actually told my wife, she's the one that
started all of it, and by luck of all things, the next day
Philip had contacted you for me to contact him. But it still took him
a couple of weeks to talk me into it. And the one reason I
did, I felt like I owed an explanation to everybody that that was.
I never talked to this to my wife, or my family or anyone else.
And I didn't want to tell this that many times. So I thought,
well, you know, the book will be a good day, or
I can tell it one time and they can buy it if they want to
hear the store either or I give them a copy. And you were kind
enough to send me a copy. And boy, is that how many pages
is that book? I'm not for sure. Around eight hundred. I think
it's a bunch of them. It's like a bible. Yeah, it's huge.
Philip really did his homework on getting together all the articles and everything in
it. I think he did a great job with it. Michael, jump
in anytime you want, if you have any questions. Yeah, of course,
I gotta say. I'm in press eight hundred pages. That is a
tone. It is. Actually when I was writing a book, or he
was putting together all the homework and all I had lost all my information and
Katrina, my house once again flooded. And once you've flood and get all
this water in, it's gone. So why he was getting that together.
I was writing on the book and the one deal that we Philip and I
had together. I said, Philip, you know, I'll agree to do
this book, but I don't I don't have any education, but I still
don't want you to edit this book in any way. I don't want you
to correct any spelling. I don't want you to punctuation or changing anything that
I put in it. And he agreed, and I figured I'd have to
argue with him about it. But he's really held to it and did good
by it, and I appreciate him for it. Wow, that is that's
really great. So it's more in your own words and it than if anyone
touched it. That's wonderful. It is it is my own words. Meshing's
been changed in it. I know there's a you know, the one thing
I have to say is I do have a lot of new listeners to the
show you were on about I think seven or eight months ago on my show.
And I hate to do this for the person that knows the case really
well, but can you kind of get for the new listener, can you
kind of give a nutshell story of what happened? Please we can. I
was working in the old fall in the law of Mississippi, and it was
sixteen hours a day, seven days a week. So I wanted to change
jobs, and I called a friend of my father's, which was Charlie Hickson.
But I knew him and I was brought up with him. So anyway,
he told me to come and go to work and go to work at
the shipyard with him. So I agreed to do that. So I rented
a room from Charlie and moved in. So we went to work that day.
I was just down there one day and we ready the ruin that day
and from him and worked and I decided to go fishing after that. Well,
this was in October eleventh, nineteen seventy three. So when we got
off where we left and went fishing, and we went to an old abandoned
shipyard. It was called Shaw Peter's Shipyard, and I remember getting there and
there was no trespassing signed up, but we still went on end. He
said it was okay. I didn't know if it was or not. So
we were setting there fishing now and noticed some blue lights behind us, and
it was the same color as patrol car. So I actually thought we was
fixing me get run off or go to jail for trespassing, which would have
been fine were me, because I was tired anyway. So anyhow, I
was sitting there looking at the boat across and I've seen an old oh ship,
oh still whole ship, and I was thinking, how did these things
float? You know, they really heavy in there. I don't know how
they float. And that's when I noticed the blue lights coming from behind me.
So as the blue lights was coming from behind me, I turned around
and looked because I thought I was fixed and go to jail for trespassing.
So when we stood up, we noticed a bright lighting behind us, and
all of a sudden, we just turned stood up and turned around and the
light was real blight, and that's when we noticed three. We couldn't make
them out because the lights were so bright. That's when we noticed three of
robotic looking beans that was coming toward us, and as they approached us,
two of them got a hold of Charlie and one got a hold of myself.
And that's when I kind of felt an injection in my arm, probably
to settle me down. I don't know what it was are, but you
know, I was scared when this was going on. But after the injection,
I noticed my body was more or less paralyzed. Now I could turn
my head one way or another, and I could roll my eyes and look,
but I couldn't move my body around from one end to the other.
So anyhow, they picked us up, levitated us, floated us to the
ship, and that's when I noticed on the ship that the lights were so
bright in there, and I couldn't figure out where they was coming from.
There was no light fixtures. It looked like I was just coming out of
the walls. So I did notice that because I was curious where all these
bright lights has come from. Well, they took me into a different room
than what they did the guy that was with me, and they laid me
on an examination table and I was at about a forty five degree angle when
I was on this table, so I noticed from the ceiling, though,
that something dropped out of the sailing by the size of a deck of cards,
and it rotated around my head. It clicked four times, then it
went back up into the wall. So when it did that, this big
ugly creature that I called him the robotic looking creature or soldier stamped back.
And there was this smaller looking female looking creature and I call it a female
because she was smaller built than the other ones, and it just felt more
like she was a female than a male. She came out of the room,
she kind of peached me on her cheek, and that's when I noticed
her fingers was a little longer on her hands, or two middle fingers were
a little longer on her hands than what this other creature had. And she
run her finger down my throat and tried to come up behind that little deal
that hangs down back there. I don't know what to call it. And
that's when I started strangling and having a problem because she was choked at me
in was into my mazal cavities, so I kind of panicked, and that's
when I noticed she backed up and just a little bit, and her mouth
didn't move. She had a mouth, nose and ears just like we did.
Her mouth never moved. She kind of telepathically told me, don't worry,
We're not gonna hurt you. But you know, by then I was
already bleeding and strangling. I was scared. So she made a little mumble
with her throat, really didn't say nothing. And this big, ugly creature
came back in grabbed me by the arm, and that's when I felt a
second injection into my arm and I kind of settled down. He floated this
back out to the river and set us down, and I was at the
river where my arms stretched out, I could move just facing it, and
that's when I heard Charlie's son, Son, you okay, and we turned
around. The big bright light went out, the blue hazy lights came back
on. This thing lifted up and left, and it was just from that
time on or the next morning known it was just a nightmare. With the
media, I guess every media in the world, and I'm not saying just
here in the United States, but they picked it up all the overseas countries
and everything else. I didn't realize how big it was until I started looking
through the book where Philip had gathered all this information, but it had stayed
with me for forty five years. It completely changed my life. I went
from getting married, working the same job, retiring, buying a house,
and fishing, to losing a job, getting an examination, and leaving all
in the same day. I had that job on the coast one day after
this happened to me. Wow, they then I got fired now so or
pretty much because they told us not to come back until the media has settled
down. And I often wondered, and maybe that's why Charlie didn't go back
it. Maybe heap of seen a little break to do these conferences and maybe
make a few dollars, you know, he was a little older, and
just do that instead of trying to find another job, because he might have
thought, you know, maybe nobody else would hire him. Of course,
everybody knew what happened to me, but nobody asked questions. I got home.
My wife didn't that, or she wasn't my wife then, but she
didn't ask what happened. My family didn't ask, my friends didn't ask,
and I dang sure didn't tell them. So I just hit it for forty
five years up until Lord July last year, I guess when the book came
out. Wow, really something I have a question ask, but go ahead
if you have something you'd like to throw in. Well, you know,
you seem pretty comfortable with it now talking about it things like that. Are
there any other than how it's affected your life and you know your relationships and
you're working and all that. How is it? Do you wake up at
night? Do you can you watch or hear other people's stories of encounters or
does that bother you? Or is there a fear at all about what happened?
Well, it's still a fair in a way because I would like to
know why it happen, which I'm almost sure I'll never figure that out.
And that's why I'm asking witnesses to come forward that might have seen something that
maybe they shed a little light on it. But I do think it affected
my health. And the reason I say that is for forty five years,
I couldn't sleep at night until this book came out out and I wrote it,
so I was up. I've had a stroke and two major heart attacks
and two open heart surgeries and I'm still not healthy. And it's like I
tell everybody, you know, it's a expiration date stamped on my head,
so you got to I wanted to get this out before I expired, and
just left everybody into open not knowing. And so it's been a good thing
for me. It's taught me how to deal with everything. Now, Now,
did you ever read the book that Charlie did? No, sir,
I didn't never read it. Charlie came to me one day said I'm gonna
write a book. I'll give you three percent of it, which everybody knows
three percent ain't nothing. Anyhow, I didn't care about no percentage. I
just signed a contract said write it. I don't care, Charlie. So
you know that's where it was left. I never opened it, although Philip
sent me a copy of it, and I have a chance so and I
understand he's got a lot of good information in the book, a lot of
witnesses and things like that, but I've never read it. Now, did
you you know? You said you kept quiet about this for so long?
But did you did people recognize your name here and there along the way all
these years and strike up a conversation about it? Absolutely, But I wouldn't
talk about it. And that is another reason. If the book was written,
I was at a friend's wake, and I signed a register at his
wake, and it was in Pasagola, and as people started coming up,
are you the Calvin Parker? I said, I guess I am. That's
my name. So they started asking me a lot of questions. I didn't
feel like that that was the place to answer any of the questions, so
we left. And that's when my wife started talking to me, said,
well, maybe you are to write a book. So one, I don't
have an education, I can't spell my own name, so maybe if I
get a ghostwriter, you know, we might do this. That was just
to satisfy her and pass her off and maybe should forget all about it.
Well, Darne, the next day I got a letter from you asking if
it was okay to get Philip my contact information. Then that's a Philip called
on a completely unrelated event, and he called an unrelated event and wanted to
talk to me about Charlie's book, which I didn't know anything about. So
it led into him saying, well, why don't you do your own?
That would be your legacy. You know. We talked and I told him
everything got changed and it'd be written black and white. So I told him,
maybe let me think about it, and I was going to blow him
off. So it was about two weeks later he called back and I told
him, well, let me think about it. And then he happened to
call back a few days again, and I actually said, yeah, I'll
do it. He said, He said, well, it might take you
two or three years to do this. I said, I don't know how
long it took take. If I can read a book in a week,
I can write the dinning thing in a week. And that's what I did.
I went to my room. I told my wife, and I'm not
taking no phone calls. Bring me something to eat once a day, and
don't bother me. This went on for two weeks. I stayed locked up
in my room, and as I was putting it together, then Philip was
putting his part together, and we just merged them all together. Then isn't
that something? Boy? You should write more books if you can do it
in two weeks. Actually, I want to talk to you more about how
you get your wife to do that, because I've had a couple of books
and it does not come off like that for me. Oh it's hard,
you know. Every now and then should come knock on the door. I'd
say get out of here, and that's what she did. Well, Hey,
um, is there is there any talk of documentary or anything like that
about the whole incident? Have you? Have you been involved in anything like
that. I pretty much let Finlip handle in it, handle it. But
it has been talk about documentaries, it's been talk about movies and things like
that, but we are both trying to keep it. It's realistic. It's
what you can if some of this does happen. And in that way,
you know, it scares a lot of these movie companies and all off because
they want to create their own version of it, and you know, little
changes here and there, Mike would work out like, oh, let's just
say there was two five police come out. They don't use, but two
or three that would make the only difference or something that I would accept.
I'm not going to accept anything change in the basic story. So that's that
scares them all off. Yeah, well, you know, maybe eventually they'll
agree to that. I know, I had a conversation with Travis Walton and
he said that yes they did, you know, and firing this guy the
movie they did and you know this didn't happen. That didn't happen. But
he said overall he was he was still happy that it got out, you
know. But you know they will do that. They for some reason,
even though it's such a spectacular case, they seem to always have to sensationalize
it a little more than it is for some reason, exactly right, And
I don't understand that. How can you get more out of what's happened and
what's going on right now? The description of the I saw this model that
was made in the description of the being that you saw with the like carrot
things coming out of where the ears should be in the single one coming out
of the eye, such as No one has ever talked about anything that looked
like that before or after as far as I know. And one thing I
started thinking about, I wrote on Phillip's Facebook page when he posted that picture,
is I'm wondering if those things were some type of sensors. You know,
I've often thought about that. Now daring the stage, you know,
Charlie's seen him up close and that was his all him done it Now,
I never really got a good look in the face at him. Yeah,
I did see the female real close. And now I have a artist that
I'm working well and we're trying to get its close to perfection. It's what
we can, of course, after forty five years without doing a lot of
thinking, you know, and figuring. It's hard to do. So it's
just when it gets perfect, we're going to release that. And no matter
how how striking the memory is, we're all fallible when it comes to remembering
something exactly the way it is over the years. Exactly right. You can
put ten paper after witness something and every one of them a witness something different.
That's right. Now, We've got about three minutes or so left.
I just wanted to know if you could to touch on anything that was a
revelation that you saw that Philip found, you know, and put into the
book that you had no idea about. Yeah. The one thing was Budd
Hopkins had tried to hypnotize me, and I never really thought he had hypnotize
me. This was in ninety three, and I just mentioned to Philip that
Budd tried, and he, of course Budd had passed away and he got
to original tape from doctor Jacobs. I never knew I was hypnotized up until
I read it Naboo. Now, when I told my wife, I said,
I didn't think that really happened. I didn't know, but he had
put a post hypnotied suggestion that I wouldn't remember it. So that was all
amazing to me. That was something to you that I didn't know. And
I started briefly. I hadn't read the whole transcripts of it because I want
to remember it like I won't remember it. I don't remember it like what
come off a tape. So I'm still in that process. Okay, anything
else up, Anything else that was interesting in the book that you didn't know
about. I'm sure it's quite a few things. I actually need to set
down to read the book to see what is in it. I've never really
read it. Well, I've been just come out. Yah, I'm telling
you. When this came out, it was number one best seller at Amazon
the day had come out, and it stayed like at a long time,
and I'm not for sure where it is now. I don't never check it.
And of course everybody knows, ever author knows. It's involved in this
field. It's no money in these books. You know. You do that
because you want to do it, And I have no reason to fabricate anything
like this. I just go on what my word is. Somebody said,
well, I don't believe you. I said, well, I don't care
you blieve me or not. Don't mean that much to me if you blame
me or not. Yeah, I saw someone attacked to you on Facebook two
and there's no need for that. That's that's ridiculous. Well, a lot
of it has to do with fears, you know, when people have a
fear of something, the attack they do. My wife had went up and
somebody had made some jewelry for and she asked if she could sell it or
she could sell it for them, and I gave her permission. I said,
yeah, you know, because it's got my name. You know,
if you want to do something and make you a few dollars disconferences something that
would make fine. And somebody popped up. I forget what words they use.
I hate to see you relate to doing costume jury and all this.
Of course I just told him go to Hale. Yeah I didn't hear.
Yeah, that's right, Michael. You have one last you have one last
question or anything? Dad. No, Actually, you know I haven't had
a chance to read the book yet, and I am looking forward to it
now. I am. I'm glad to hear that that ultimately you're doing really
well. And it sounds like you've kind of come to terms and kind of
made peace with this as much as you can. And it's just great to
know that you're doing great because so many of these stories end up kind of
not turn it out so so well and I'm I'm really happy for you.
Well, thank you. When you're reading the book, give me call me
or something, let me know how watching saying I will, And don't worry
about not making money off any books. I can assure you there's no money
in fiction either. Right, yeah, all right, Well we are at
the break now. Thanks so much, gentlemen. It's been it's been such
a pleasure. I've really enjoyed it. Thank you. Will you post being
linked to this summer? Oh sure, we'll do all right, Okay,
everyone, So that's it. We are going to be back right after this
break with Charlotte Man. So hang in there, we'll be right back.
Thanks. William Huffman. Back in nineteen forty one, I believe it was
April, you know, we think of the modern day uthology as nineteen forty
seven. Well, this pre uh, this you know, happened. Well,
before that, six years before that. And it's a real, real
interesting case. Her grandfather only wanted to talk about it once in his life,
and I have a lot of questions to ask her. So welcome to
the show, Charlotte. Thank you very much. I appreciate you heaving me
sure. And it's been a long time now this up. This is something
I wanted to bring up. How we met is really a crazy situation.
I had a guest blog on my website podcast ufo dot com, and you
found it, and then you also saw the show number and you just happened
to dial it to talk to me while I had a show going on.
I had no idea when you first called, like Charlotte man, that name
sounds familiar, but you said you had some errors on your website and so
anyway, I did not write that blog, so I took it down,
and you're here to set the record straight, and I really do appreciate you
coming on. Well. I'm glad that you gave me the platform to do
so. I'm not the type that likes to undermine other people. But when
some one talks about your family in a very personal way and yourself as well
as if they know you intimately, and they know what you were thinking when
you did things that kind of crosses the line with me, and I had
just had enough of it. Sure, yeah, so I'm sure you see
that all over the place everywhere. I'm all over the internet and with most
of them when people call me and say, Charlotte, I read this or
what about this, and I look, and it's people I've never met.
I wouldn't know them if I passed them on the street. And that was
a surprise to me and very disconcerting to me, simply because my grandfather's experience
was just that, and why what I tried to do is be an authentic
witness to his experience. But I'm not used to the politics and the thing
go on. I'm not used to people totally lying about you. So that's
that's a strong word. Yeah, it's not good, and I'm not used
to it, and I haven't had it around me, so it was kind
of hard to deal with in the beginning. Sure, Now, if that
the blog that the guest blog, you know, I can't even remember who
wrote that and sent it in to me. But if there was inaccuracies,
I've already said this to you on the phone but I really do apologize that
that was out there and it's gone now. So I would like for you
if you would, um there's a lot of people that just are not familiar
with the story at all. If you can just go into detail on what
you know about what happened, that would be wonderful. Well what literally happened,
and it's been bits and pieces of it told. I've only given permission
to one person to tell the story in the very beginning, and that was
on the privacy that he wouldn't reveal meal or the source. But Lynn Stringfield
Research. I thoroughly enjoyed him. I never got to meet him in person,
but I had. It was early in the spring of nineteen forty one.
It was April, and I know and have been exact with that,
although I had a lot of people tried to change that, try to tell
me it wasn't that time or wasn't it an easter, And it isn't because
my mother at the time was expecting my older sister and she was born May
the third, so I'm very strong on the time. But the family was
together visiting my grandmother and my grandfather who lived in Cape Gerardo, Massuri at
the time, and about nine or nine thirty, my granddad got a phone
call. He's a Southern Baptist minister or was, and someone had called in
and said that there had been what they thought was a plane, a small
plane crash outside of town, and would he if they sent a car for
him, would he come and right along in case there were people that were
injured that might need prayer or emotional support from a religious religious figure. And
he agreed, and so a little while later a car came and picked him
up, and he was gone for a while, and the family speculated and
actually prayed, hoping no one was deceased. But when grandfather got there,
it wasn't at all what he expected or the people that had picked him up
expected. It turned out to have been a crashed uf and there were three
aliens that had been inside, I'm assuming, and either thrown from the vehicle
or taken out of the vehicle. And we're laying on the ground and grandfather
was able to walk up to part of the UFO was kind of crashed open
lane open, and he could see inside and he saw many gauges and instruments
and things that didn't look familiar to him. One of the things that he
mentioned to my dad and I've ned i've ever spoken of this is what appeared
to be in on a pedestal in the middle of the UFO. Like he
described it as being like a gyroscope. It was floating and you know,
it could move, but not fixed. And what impressed him the most or
fascinated was on the inside, all the way around the UFO were symbols and
markings that looked to him. They weren't familiar, but they looked like what
he had seen of hyperoglyphics. And on the outside, when he went to
where the aliens he called them, the little people were laying. Two of
them more deceased already, but then was the third one who was still reading
very shallowly. He could see the chest move, so he knelt down beside
of him and took him at his wrist and prayed for him. And if
you've ever seen the typical alien pictures, the eyes they don't have lids,
so they don't close, so it's as if they're staring directly at you the
entire time, and the experience of that is something you don't forget. And
he said, not long after he prayed over him, he did expire as
well, and of course he was totally involved in what he was seeing and
doing at the moment, but when he looked up began to see that there
was military everywhere, just had begun to drive up and get out of the
vehicles and come towards them. And it's been reported by other people whom I
don't I've never met, that reported that there were FBI and different people there,
and just a score of people, and there wasn't There was the people
who lived on the property, of course, seeing the crash had come down,
and there wasn't a lot of fire. There wasn't the aliens were not
burned. It was a minor fire in the field. And there was a
few neighbors that perhaps had been there, and a couple of other people that
Granddad assumed one we thought a reporter, or he thought a reporter. And
when the military did show up, the whole tone changed immediately. They began
to take small groups of the people to the side and have individual conversations with
them and telling them basically, this didn't happen. You didn't see this,
and you're not able to speak of it again. This is a matter of
national security. Well, Granddad he listened, and he would have complied anyway
even if they hadn't said national security. But they didn't intimidate him. It
didn't scare him. Granddad was that kind of a man. He was an
honorable man. He was very straightforward, and if they said, you know,
don't talk about it, then he wasn't going to talk about it.
However, after they dropped him off back at home, the family was waiting
up, as you naturally would, wanting to know what had happened, and
Granddad related everything to them, but he said he wouldn't speak of it again
because they had asked him not to do that. And about two weeks a
week and half maybe two weeks after the fact, there was a knock at
the door on an evening again at night, around Adrian nine o'clock, and
there was a gentleman that asked if he could have a word with him privately
in his study, and so he did, and after he left granddad grandma
said, well, what was that about, Will, And he said,
well, he had taken this photograph and he had taken it with his private
camera and it was not confiscated when the military got there because it was a
small personal camera and he put it under his coat. They didn't see it,
and he had developed a picture and it was one of the aliens and
two of the men. And it's been reported that it was two policemen that
held him up in the picture. That's not true. It was just two
individuals that happened to be there. And they put one arm each man on
either side, I mean, put one arm under his armpit and the other
near his elbow and held him out because he very very long arms. And
they took a picture of him. And so he told Grandad this man was
even nervous when he showed up. My grandmother said, you could tell he
was scared something. And she said it bothered bothered Granddad, that he was
so so unnerved by it. But he wanted a granddad and ask him would
he takes a picture and keep it because he felt like humanity needed to be
aware of it. He wasn't one that was had the courage to come forward
with it, but would Granddad keep it? And so he did, and
that's the picture he gave to my Actually, my dad kept it for him.
And so I had seen that picture from the time I was little up
until Oh, I don't know, I was about eight or nine and a
friend of dad's had Willie. They were having a dinner party. A friend
was a photographer and he had asked that if he could borrow it, he
wanted to help him authenticated and too short to his parents. And the man's
name was Walter Fisk. He was a personal friend of my mamas and dad's,
and Dad let him take it and we didn't never get it back.
For the we did a made for TV documentary and we reenacted a picture,
made it a rep of what it would be like. And so from that
that was Granddad's part of his experience, his story. But what most people
don't know because I've never spoken of it, but I've never been asked either
that years later, people that Nami gave me a copy of the book The
Watchers by Raymond Fowler, and in it he surmises that if someone has had
that close of an encounter with alien being, that they tend to follow the
families after that. And they absolutely have, and that part of my life
is still going on. Um it affected our entire family, uh in many
many different ways. When I was born, my sister's old or she's two
years old, his name, she was born in May and I was born
in nineteen forty three. And when I was born, I came in not
knowing even what they meant, with all kinds of gifts that my mother told
me they were gifts of God. And I was told them sacred, not
to ever make fun of them, are to use them, and always to
explain they came from God. And that has been my life ever since.
It's taken many of the many different places, and other members of my family
were gifted in many ways, but we have been of took teas we've been.
I mean, they just air in and out of our life and always
have been. So it's quite interesting to me in my life. In the
very beginning, I didn't think of myself as being anybody special. I don't
to this day. I'm just like everybody else. You know, you have
opportunities and things, gifts that you have and you either use them or you
don't. But I don't have any additional things that aren't available to everybody but
I. But I, but I have never turned loose of them, and
I speak of them, and it's been my life's work ever since. And
it's it's fascinating, scary, but fascinating so that's basically Granddad's story, and
that I was approached after I wrote to Raymond Thaler, after I read the
book in regard to the part about them following families, and he, in
turned, unbeknownst to me, sent a copy of my letter to Lynn Stringfield,
and Lynn then in turn called me. And at that time I had
Granddad's experience, but I didn't have any of the UFO background, none at
all. I didn't know. I just didn't know anything about it. And
so I had not heard of Lufon or Lynn Stringfield, or didn't know who
stand Freedman was. I soon got a crash course. But so after we
talked several times I was on the phone, I found him to be a
very kind person, and he told me of some of the work he had
done and sent me some of his papers and books and things like that.
And one thing has just led to another. It's always you a door opens
and you take a step towards it, and then here's a whole whole outlay.
So I've lived to what I call a dual life, in that I
had my grandfather in the structured religion on one side, and then on the
other side the other the other part of the life that was so relevant to
me day in and day out, But it was My life has been very
eclectic. The things that have happened to me and others in my family very
eclectic. And Granddad was not the type of man, even before his experience
where he made judgments. He was very open minded for a Southern Baptist minister
in that it changed his perspective in many ways. Grandmother and I talked about
it. She came to my home and stayed with me when she was in
the last stages of cancer. She took her chemotherapy at my home in Texas.
And it's one thing. My dad was a very flamboyant person, very
interesting, and he had a large subject matter that he was interested in,
but he tended to lay things on a little thick So to hear some things
from my dad and then to hear him from my grandmother were like difference of
night and day. So when she was ill, I tried to talk with
her about the many stories and bits and pieces that I had heard through the
fa And at first she wouldn't talk to me about it because Grandpa told her
not to, But later she began to fill in the blanks for me.
And then after she left this world, then, whether you want to call
it God or the highest consciousness, whatever name you want to put to it,
began to reveal to me time and time and time and time again,
the idiosyncrasies as them being brought together. They aren't separate. They're all one,
and we can't have one without the other, and we have to embrace
it and be open minded. But I also use our brains. Okay,
all right, So I apologize for that. I the listener out there may
not know. I may not care when that's okay if you don't. But
I have been away from home for now it will be a month tomorrow and
in hotel rooms, and I have my own mine, I have my portable
equipment with me. And while I was listening to you, somehow I must
have unplugged my microphone. So I apologize you were asking me, so,
yes, I do have some questions, and I apologize for the listening audience
as well. But one of the things I wanted to know is how did
this story get out in the first place, and about when did it come
out? Well, actually I think it probably got out the first time,
would have been back in nineteen around nineteen ninety nine to two thousand, when
I first got in touch with Lynn, or when he got in touch with
me, because prior to that I had only reached out to Raymond threw a
letter. I hadn't talked to anybody else, and no one had ever approached
me, and so that I think that would probably have to have been the
beginning. And Leonard had asked to if he could include my story in a
presentation he was making to the move On conferences that they do each year,
and he did it in a book that was entitled the Status Report Number six,
and he wrote in there, and the interesting part of that is,
uh, there's so much more to the story that you know, just the
very basics ever got out, and he presented it in that at that time.
But most I don't think there's anybody that knows. Maybe Stanton Freedman those
I've discussed it with him. But he also included another story of mine in
the same the same presentation in the epilogue. At one time, I'm about
summer of nineteen seventy nine, I was at I worked for the phone company
then and I was working at an away from the company, giving a talk
I think, and retired four star major general by the name of Melvin McNichol.
He had the base when he retired from the Air Force. He it
was in Oklahoma City at tinker Field. He also had had the base at
v Spad in Germany, and after he retired, he was part of the
Space Museum there in Oklahoma City. And he called the phone company and described
me and wanted my phone number, and they gave it to him, and
it began a friendship of about eight or nine years that we had. It
was very very informative and really really very helpful in the UFO information, and
so he and I discussed. It took him a whole year and a half
after we knew each other for him to ever confide in me anything. But
one day we got on the subject of UFOs, and he was familiar with
Granddad's because I had told him Granddad's experience. And I said to him,
I said, mel you know, is it true. Do you know that
there is such a thing as UFOs? Have you ever seen one? You?
Do you know that the Air Force does cover them up? And he
looked at me and he smiled and he said, Charlotte, it's absolutely true.
And he didn't divulge enough information to get into trouble, but enough to
tell me he had walked around one basically where he was when that happened,
um, and that they did exist and that. And I asked him why
would they keep it so secret? And he said, the general public cannot
handle this, And I said, well, I'm the general public. Of
course they could. He you, thank you are, but you're not.
Oh wow, wow, that's interesting because, um, I don't think that's
the way it is today. I feel though there's more of an openness to
it than there's ever been. But you know, oh absolutely yeah. So
do you know who leaked the story to begin with? How? How you
you know how? That's what's really puzzling to me. Well, when I
talked originally with Leonard, he promised me that it would never leave his file,
UM, that it would be kept secret, and he was good in
doing that. He never mentioned my name when he presented in an example think
and in the one I just described to you, called me Shari Monet.
Okay, but I'm still not getting into I'm still not getting the What I'm
trying to understand here is someone had to leak the story in the very beginning
to get it out there for to have him contact you. I mean,
who was it someone at the scene beside your grandfather. Your grandfather certainly didn't
Well what I've been told, I really haven't ever found out that, to
be exact. I talked with Lynn's wife after he passed away, because he
had promised they would be secret, and she said people had tried to buy
them, but she didn't let anybody have them. But I later heard that
Lynn had a stenographer or a secretary that worked with him and helped him keep
his files up and keep him, you know, all of that taken care
of, and that she had secretly copied his information. I can't speak to
that as a truth because that's just what I was told. I don't know
exactly where or when you were sleeked. Oh okay, um, someone just
made a you know. Of course, this happened before there was any um,
you know, investigations back in nineteen and the nineteen forties, before um,
you know, the late nineteen forties, so there was, as far
as we know, no one was actually investigating anything, um you know.
So that's uh, that is interesting. Now. I do want to tell
the listener out there. This is something that people just may think as strange,
but it was true at the time. Was when there was you know,
uh, car crashes things like that, when there are people dying or
actually dead, it was certainly very very common for the police to ask a
and to bless, bless the people, bless the bodies. That was just
common, that was always done. So it's nothing that part's not unusual at
all. Of course, what the part that's unusual is when they came up
to the crash and it wasn't a car crash, right, So yeah,
so that's that's all interesting. Another thing about the picture, the picture that's
online, anyone can actually um google that if you just go in and google
and do the cape Girardo Ufo crash, um, you will see a picture
of it looks like maybe a brim to brimmed hat people holding up an alien
and you know that picture. Now, um, you saw the original picture,
did you did you have any say and to what the you know,
the picture that was designed for that show. Um, you know what they
came up with was that your part of your input was involved in that basically
mine in Jim Marsh Jim Mars Okay, Yeah, Jim. Jim and I
had talked about it because I've been his personal I guess you would call it
reader or advisor for twenty three years and uh oh wow, had worked with
him. He took me to the eighteen ninety seven Aurora or as She's seen,
uh to check out a little earlier in there. But we had talked
about it, and I basically described what I had seen in the original picture.
We just re enacted it with the people at the UM. We did
it in Rosswell, I see, Okay. Someone asked a question on the
chat room I thought was kind of interesting. Why would people bid on a
story that had not been made public? Why would they bid on it?
Yeah, I'm not sure I understand it. Um. You mentioned just a
little while ago that they were trying to you know, by by the story
or by buy something. M So what were they trying to buy? Exactly
what? People A few people that contacted me they wanted me to sign a
release. Um. It wasn't a matter of any money exchanging hands. They
wanted they wanted the information. They didn't want me or they didn't want me
presenting it. Uh. And I wouldn't give control over to anybody else that's
that's my family's story. And I wasn't trying to make money. I was
simply trying to get the information out to see if other folks could come forward,
or you know, just to fill it out. And so that's why
you've not heard a lot about it is because that's not my It's not what
I'm about. Now, I know that trying to think it's Uh Paul Blake
Is that? Is that who someone was out there telling this story? Was
he and wrote a book on it? How? M O forty one?
Is that what you're speaking of Smith? Paul Paul Paul Blake Smith or something?
Yeah, Paul Blake Smith? Yeah? And was his story? Did
he do a fairly accurate job? I mean, how can I be nice
about it? Um? I was afraid back people. Well, UM,
when I heard about it from your podcast, UM, I went and got
a copy and I have never been so upset in all my life. I
began to read it. Now I can only speak to the part that he
speaks of my family, which is most of the book, and I'm almost
on every page. The only thing that I can tell you that is true
that would make this a non fiction book is the fact that he was born
in Cape Gerardo. My sar oh ouch. Yeah. He wrote me two
letters in twenty fourteen, and he acts he doesn't even know me, um,
with a long list of questions. I didn't even respond to the letter
because what research he had done was so out there and left field. I
don't know where he got it, and uh, I don't. I don't
want to sue him, but I want to stop him. This should never
be out there the way he paints my granddad, the things that he says,
there's no truth to him. Let's talk about the inaccuracies. Then some
of them that bother the most, just you know, to get it out
there and and and get it, you know, corrected. Well, I
don't even know where to start to be, to be honest with you.
Yeah, just touch on some of them, what you know, you know,
what has bother to do the well he makes the statement the gentleman who
who my grand my dad gave the picture two to authenticate. He says that
the man would never never ever acknowledge me or talk to me. Well,
that's not true. I talked to him on the telephone and at first he
was very vague, but he had been a friend of my family for quite
a while, and my mother was quite beautiful, and he had a crush
shutter And so I said to him, I said, Dwayne, you might
not remember me because I was just a kid, but I remembered you brought
pheasant for dinner because you had shot it and was explaining all and I said,
do you remember the red headed woman? And all of a sudden outburst
Pauline, I said, that's my mother. Oh. He said, yes,
Now I get it. And so we do know where the photograph the
gut him, and as it he was entangled, and he was very difficult
to follow because he would say such outlinedish things that couldn't be proven. I
mean, Ryan would and Bob Wood. They're the ones that we did the
documentary together. And Ryan is the only one I've ever again given permission to
use my information in a book, which was he presented very well in Majestic
Eyes only. I don't think it's in print anymore. But you know that
that's just one thing. Stanton went and saw him and talked to him,
and he talked to me on the phone, and you know, and it's
just not true what he says. And then he said that the photo was
given back to us. No, it wasn't. It was never given back
to us. And oh gosh, well I don't. I don't want to
get you upset here, but it's just I thought it would be a good
chance for you to set um something straight that you know that bothered you because
he he did write a book. You know, you don't make a lot
of money on books anyway, but still, um, you know, he
was getting on Coast to Coast and a few other you know, interviews because
of uh, like he was the go to um on that that subject and
um so, but I think it's best to hear from you. So I
was really glad that you were willing to come on the show. Um,
you know, you're you're closer to secondhand knowledge to this than anyone else.
Well, the thing of it is, I've never not been here, and
people have approached me, and if they've asked me for something in the right
vein, I've I've helped them or tried to give them what they needed.
But not not many people came to him. And you know, there is
always a time and a place. I believe that, and now's the time
for the truth to be out. And so it's happening now. I do
want to talk about the abduction situation, stuff like that. I want to
make sure that we do not forget to talk about that. But I want
to go back to that's okay, I want to go back to the photo
because this is really fascinating me. Fascinating to me. You actually saw this,
now, your grandfather wouldn't have showed this to you. I mean,
he didn't want to talk about it. How did that float around in the
family. How did that Well, it actually didn't ever float around. He
just went from my grandfather not long after he got it to my dad,
and Dad kept it at the house and when there would be times if they
would, my parents would would have guests over dinner parties and subject would come
up one way or another something similar, and Dad would relate the story and
he would show the picture back then. I guess the magnitude of what it
was really didn't hit us because, well especially myself and my brothers and sisters,
because it was just always around and we didn't think it was anything so
much out of the ordinary. We thought all all people knew all this stuff.
You know, when you grow up with something and it's around you all
the time. You don't question it. That's right, that's right. You
know, it was just in the family pictures. I mean I could have
gone at any time and opened the picture box and taken it out. Can
you tell me, let's let's just describe the photo. I know I'm kind
of focusing on that, probably a little too much, okay, But if
first of all, was it real clear? You could actually see the very
clear? Okay, yeah, very clear. And that was one of the
things in in uh Smith's book that really bothered me because it said that I
forgot what her name was, but somebody had contacted him and they had taken
or described the picture that Walter had described the picture to somebody and they thought
it was could look like something from out of the sea and changed like shape
shift. I don't know what that was about, but no, it was
remember back you may not be as a whole design, but if you remember
back when the pictures with the little Kodak cameras and they had the little scollops
and oh absolutely, I see them all the time in old photo albums,
the little scarp d Yeah, right, it looked like that, and then
it had a big tree in it and there was grass. You could tell
it wasn't a yard because the grass was like knee higher. So um and
the two men, you know, holding this alien um and it's it's very
clear. And I can remember people asking me questions about the feet or the
legs. I couldn't tell you a lot about them because I was always fixated
on the eyes. There's something very haunting about the eyes. They almost have
an energy of their own and it's otherworldly. And it didn't frighten me as
a child. It just pulled me in and and I really always had a
feeling of sympathy for them because being what they were according to my granddad,
you know, it's that's something that they're very far from home and they've crashed,
and you know, there's there was always a little bit of a sadness
to me. And but yeah, the picture was very clear. Now I
just want to I want to mention something about eyes. First of all,
in a conversation that I had with Travis Walton, he said, yeah,
the eyes, you know, we were the scariest part of all. And
yeah, and then the uh, you know, the stare he said,
the stair was something. And then I had a conversation last summer with someone
that was a girl. Um that was involved um at the Ariel school.
Um, you know encounter radiated. Um. No that was but I know
who that is, um God. Her name Selma, Selma siddek Um.
And she said that when she had to leave to find out if her brother
and sister were okay in the schoolyard, she said, breaking that stare was
from that being whatever it was, was one of the hardest things she'd ever
done, is to break the stair to go. It's very hypnotic. It
pulls you in, even from the photograph. I mean, I wasn't.
I don't know how granddad felt, but I know his perspectives changed, and
you know he was very out of the box, more so than he had
ever been after that much more loving. He was always a loving person,
but outwardly showing it. And uh, it is very hypnotic, even through
the photograph. It was to me. Yeah, So when when you when
your grandfather came out and said he said, I'm only going to tell this
one time and told the story. Um. Did I know this is kind
of a weird question, perhaps, but did anyone write any notes or this
is you said that your father and your grandmother both remembered it quite differently.
Are those the only two perspectives that you had this? Well, it isn't
that they remembered it differently. It's just that Grandma told it alm almost like
you would read a historical document. I see, that's my grandmother. My
grand father and Daddy were much more chrismatic, I guess would be the word,
and and Granddad didn't embellish, but Dad would, Okay, you know,
if if one was you know, one was a good thing, then
put two in there. That's even better, you know. So he had
that that about him, and that part I didn't trust exactly. So I
needed to hear it from more than that perspective in order to really get to
what the real truth was. So I think that is amazing that it changed
changed his perspective, as sounds like it did a little bit, or you
know, made him more open, as you said, and he kept his
word all the way to the end. He never ever would even like on
his last few days, he would never talk about it again, as far
as I know, he never did. Now. I think from what Daddy
said that they may have had a few private conversations. If Dad would come
up with a question. Um, he may have answered it, but to
him only. It was more through Granddad's behavior and the way he handles things
that we could tell a difference in him. But no, he didn't ever
speak publicly to anybody else, but he was he was a private man to
begin with. Now, back then, they wouldn't have called it flying saucerer
or UFO or did the word did you? Did I hear you say the
word a spaceship? Did they did they call it that? Or what did
they what do they say? What did they think that crasher? What were
they talking about? On the site? Well, on the site, Um,
they just called it what many different things. Uh, one would call
it a spaceship, one would call it something from outer space or beyond our
world. I mean there were several different terms used because there wasn't anything that
at the time. One man called it a cigar like m and which is
it is a lot of the there's a lot of descriptions of the cigar shape
craft. So yeah, it certainly could have been well and it is from
what angle do you see it? I don't know that anybody ever saw it
as it came down, it was already crashed and so as you kind of
drove over the little hill, um and there it was. It depended on
what angle, what direction you were coming that you saw right, which could
make the difference as well. Yeah, but yeah, they called it several
things. Now. It always makes you wonder. Okay, So if this
truly did happen, and it sounds like it a very believable case. Um,
if this happened, what the heck did they do with the bodies?
What the heck did they do with what the remains of the craft? Um?
You know, I mean that's always that's always a question. The military
came and took it all away? Yeah, and where to go? That's
not unlike uh well different at the time, different basis. I remember when
I was talking to Nail, the retired major general. Um, he spoke
of of uh right Patterson, he spoke of the right field. At the
time, it was called yeah and in uh one on the east coast of
the west coast of He never gave the name because but it's they had one
hangar there, uh and and they you could walk around it, they weren't
allowed to touch it, they weren't allowed to go into it. Uh.
And when everything would happen. Even being retired, he used to be called
back to Washington for what he called gray outs. Um. And I'm not
sure because he couldn't go into it as to what those were, but they
were of high national security and very very secretive. Wow. And now the
hieroglyphics are what appeared to be hieroglyphics. That's that's pretty very interesting to me.
First of all, there's two other cases that are pretty well known purportedly
that there were hieroglyphic glyphics. One of them would be of course Roswell and
the second one randolsham Forest. H. Yeah, there was someone that supposedly
went right up and actually the craft named Jem Pens Peniston, who's actually going
to be on this show this show here and uh sometime in April. Um.
But you'll be enjoying him. What's that you'll enjoy him? Well?
Yeah, so they both talked about the same thing. Uh, you know,
I mean, you know, there were stories about hieroglyphics, which I
think is really interesting. I guess, um it it makes sense. I
mean it's like all any craft that we have that goes out there into space
or anywhere else has you know, as far as America goes has the flag
on it, and you know all kinds of numbers and things like that,
right, Yeah, that's not surprising. And and from from what I've seen,
because Daddy tried to show me kind of you know what they look like
symbols, and they can look very similar. And the closest thing that people
have seen in a lot of cases are the Egyptian hieroglyphics. M Well,
they tell they tell the story. Every symbol tells a story. Now,
let's let's talk now about what has happened in your family. You started to
mention that that you feel as though that there's been abductions and you have a
personal you have personal experience in that. So, um, if you would,
if it's something that's not too painful to talk about, can you tell
the listening audience what what what has happened? Well, I can tell you
of some in the family. My older sister probably is the one that had
and she's deceased now, but before she passed away, she wrote a notarized
letter stating that this was true, true information. She recalled a lot of
the actual being floated into out the window and into the spacecraft and experiments being
done, although she didn't know what was being done. And the interesting thing
is we used to have in depth conversations, her and I. We were
very close best friends. And at one point, when I was first beginning
to dip my toe in the UFO stuff, trying to make myself aware,
we had I said, sister, tell me some of your experiences and I'll
tell you you know what I have. And about a month later, Raymond
Fowler wrote me a letter and asked could he speak with her? Would she
speak to him? And I went to her and asked her, and she
looked at me with the blankest face I've ever seen, and she said,
I don't have any idea what you're talking about. Really, Yes, I
was chilled to the bones. And I tried to refresh your memory. Didn't
do one bit of good that, yeah, And so I had to write
back and tell him what had happened. And she never did come forward with
that. But later some of some other situations would come about myself. I
can recall being if it started to get dark, I would be very very
afraid, and I didn't understand why, but I would wait for my family
to go to bed, my mother especially, and I would go in the
bathroom and shut the door and turn the light on, and I would stay
there until I would see daylight come in up to the window, and then
I would quickly go get in my bed, exhausting. It's well, it
was, and I didn't quite understand why, but later understood that the missing
time, uh you know, could be retained. You could go back and
reclaim it. I didn't want to. I didn't care what was in there.
I just knew I didn't want it anymore. And I have a daughter
and adoptive son that I have a bedroom here in my home, and both
of them started out at one time in that bedroom and they both asked to
be moved because they come to that window and they don't want to be taken.
And so you know that happens not a lot, but occasionally, and
they do recall being taken, and my younger brother does as well. Wow.
Well, this is the question came up in the chat room earlier,
and it's always been a curious one to me, is why the multiple abductions
if these are happening. But I want to ask you this question first before
you answer that, when when was it you first recall it happening? Or
your sister talked about it happening. I'm talking about what year approximately, if
you can remember the first time that she talked about it to me, she
was about it was in the late sixties, middle sixties to early late sixties.
Wow. So during that time, I can only think of Betty and
Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one. But you never really heard about any abduction
type situations happening for many, many years. And when she was born,
she was born with the gift of clarivoyance. We didn't know that's what it
was called. But in it's scared her to day. She's probably the most
gifted clarivoyant I have ever met. And it's scared her. Like I said,
and this was in the fifties. She would see visions and pictures of
things on the magnitude of nine to eleven. And back in the fifties you
just didn't that just wouldn't heard of. And my grand mother, my mother's
mother, who lived with us most of her life, was a great deal
of Indians. And she told her, she said, I need if you're
not comfortable with that gift God has given you, ask him to take it
away and he will it won't make him mad, and she did and it
went away. So it can be very, very difficult. And I hadn't
heard as far as I was fascinated when I heard about Betty Andrews. I
heard about it in the seventies, so you had already had situations happening before
that time. Then, oh gosh, yes, one time, one time
that I remember, the entire family was involved. There were bad storms going
on and we were We used to go every weekend on a Saturday. We
got our allowance and mom and dad would take us into town or two town
where we could to spend our allowances and it would speak things for us.
And so we left our house and headed to the town nearest to us,
and it took us by well, we were gone by our time, an
hour and a half to what should have been a twenty minute bride, and
instead of ending up the town that we were headed to, we were driving
back on our own driveway, and we don't know how the car got turned
around, and my dad finally surmised, well, maybe a tornado who came
and picked us up. And we didn't know it took us back, but
we later realized that it had to have been an encounter of some kind.
So yes, I've lived with us my whole life, my whole family has.
That's amazing. And of course the missing time thing, I don't even
know if that was discussed for a long time, even from you know,
Betty and Burney Hill. But that's what you hear. You know, hear
this type of thing all the time, and um, and people ending up
like you're, like you were saying, ending up in a completely different place
than they remember they were at. But the whole entire family that that's that's
an amazing that's a crazy, crazy well you know, I think there's probably
a lot more of it, but it's not spoken of or the people.
Don't you You kind of have to go through time and then look back and
see the different things that happened and when, and it begins then to make
sense or you see the pattern of it. But we were always from a
you know, a very eclectic family. In fact, I can remember my
grand my grandfather, Uh, we would always be in church. Of course,
he'd be preaching along and when I was little, Um, I would
hear him do a sermon and I would say it and I'd say, grateful,
that's wrong. That's out right, and of course everybody would just roar
because it's a kid. But I knew at the time what he was saying
was wrong, wasn't the truth? Well, um, someone want to know
and chat. Have you ever seen UFO yourself? Yes? With at once?
Oh, can you describe? Well, all of my family has um
the one that well, the one that I saw was over over our home
at one time, UM, and we had been out playing and we came
back in there. There were four of us. I have two sisters and
a brother, UM. And I remember I get it by feeling. I
feel them more than anything, because there is there's an intensity and a vibration
to it that is very very hard to ignore if you've ever heard it or
felt it. UM. So I felt that, and I knew that one
was either there was coming UM, and so I didn't want to alarm anybody
else in case I was wrong. And I stepped outside onto the porch and
way. It was quite ways from me, so it didn't appear to be
as large as it probably was. And I was young anyway, but I
saw one go skimming across the sky above tree level. And as I looked
up the minute I caught my eye in that range. It was gone within
a blink of the eye. Wow. Well interesting. So, um,
when when you're your your grandfather, UM, when he was describing, you
know, being there on the site U and he saw that this crash was
open, you know, the craft was actually open or broken open or something
like that, did he ever say the size of it about, you know,
like it looked like it was thirty feet wide, or did he ever
talk about how it didn't give dimensions to anything I heard? Ever, I
don't know that. I don't remember my dad even mentioning it. I don't
think it was ever mentioned elstits between the two of them privately, we didn't
ever hear about it. And did he ever say how far off of the
main road that it was where they went to? Um, they had gone
he said about all between thirteen and fifteen miles outside of town, and then
they parked on the side of the road and went into the field about a
quarter two half a mile in to the wreckage to where it had happened.
And did did they ever anyone ever say to him how they found this?
I mean, was there any casual conversation or was it all just you go
there, you blessed the parties, and you leave. It was it that
type of thing. No, I think he had a little bit of conversation
with the owners of the property because they were standing out there. I mean
they were already there the property. Okay, Yeah, they had walked down
from the house and a farming family and man and wife, and you know,
they were concerned and he was just I think from what Grandma said that
Granddad told her that he was kind of like in shock. He didn't say
very much, but by the look on his face, Granddad was a little
concerned about he and his wife both that you know, they just couldn't accept
what they were saying. Just just how hard to accept, right right?
Well, uh, I mean it's just completely out of you know, the
realm of what you would expect to see. So it's really it's really hard
to get your head around when you see something like that. It certainly completely
could be in shock. So you're not the first person on the show that
has said that they have felt like there was going to be you know,
a sighting or UFO. But but why did you why did you hold back?
Why do you think you held back on not telling anyone like when when
you had that feeling, did you were you embarrassed about it? Or Oh
no, No, I wasn't embarrassed about it, And I didn't think about
any of that. It's it's like your mindset changes, I see, and
you're not really thinking of what you ordinarily would if your mind is not that
of a regular Okay, it's the best way I know how to describe it.
Uh huh. And did you the part where you told us about you
know, your sister just completely Um, I don't know if it's denying it
or do you think that she totally forgot I mean, I mean like it
was wiped out. No, I think it had been wiped completely out of
her mind, like it never happened. Because my sister we we couldn't tell
each other a lie or a story or I mean, we were that transparent
with each other, and it was just like I could tell it was like
all of a sudden nobody was home, you know, just the eyes kind
of like glazed over, and she looked at me like, who are you?
Wow, what are you talking about? And so I didn't push it
at the time, and I didn't want to know what was in my missing
time for a long, long time, and I didn't trust your mind is
a very important thing to guard, and I didn't want just anybody, uh
to hypnotize me. At one point I was thought about having Bud Hopkins.
I would have pressed it him and he but he was sick at the time.
And the last time I talked with the Stan, I hadn't heard from
him, and I didn't want to bother him. And and so Stan said
he contacted him. He was very sick. Um. But I was regressed
one time and had one experience come through a little bit, um, and
that was enough for me. I bet. I mean, that's that's something
a lot of people are very reluctant to do. And U and I totally
get that. And you know, I'm not sure if something like that that
happened to me, I think I would probably be the same way. Um.
I'm sorry. I'm in a hotel room and my dog keeps barking.
I do apologize for that. No, that's okay. I can't do anything
about that right now. Um. Yeah, can you talk about the more
about what you consider the gifts that your family had a clairvoyance? What about
you you? Well? Yes, Um, for the last oh thirty five
years of my life. Um, we used to do what my mother called
fortune helen. You know. Her and Grandma used the Decca cards and they
would shovel cards and they would give what they called reading people and tell them
about their future. That had more to do with my grandma and her Native
American side than it did anything else. But I when I came in,
I touch people. If I touch you, I can tell you if a
person is genuine, if they're lying to you, if they're not really connected,
if you will oftentimes I have a lot of people they'll say, well,
is so and so real for real? Can I go and pay my
money to that person? If I can touch them, I can tell you.
And I read do readings for people and have for the last thirty years
by touch. I'm not saying that there aren't other people that are psychic that
have those abilities. I'm just it's not mine. And then at different times
when situations come up, I have worked with the police for missing people to
bring me Oh yes, if you bring me something that I can touch that
was the person's I can give you information about them. And I don't like
to do those cases because you you share that space and you go through some
of it. But if God tells me to do it, I do it.
So I do that occasionally and I can take information. I had to
learn to put energy around me and protection around me so that when I go
somewhere like Walmart, I don't pick up everything everybody's stuff. So, you
know, it's it's a gift in one way. In another way, it's
not always wonderful to know things that you know you're not supposed to know.
I'm sure, but it's it's I have it, and I've learned that the
you know, the jargon that goes with it. As far as I didn't
know what psychometry was, I now know what it is. All I knew
was somebody put a picture in my hand one time, and immediately I began
to see pictures just like watching them a movie screen. Well, and you
know, I relay that information. I have a lot of minute come to
me for investments. It's not just all psychic stuff. I mean it's everyday
nuts in both things that they that they want to know. Wow, someone
in chat we've already touched on this a little bit, but maybe we can
talk a little bit more. Have you looked into cases that were you know,
like Travis Walton and Betty and Barney Hill, cases like that. Have
you paid attention to those things? You know, I'm not a researcher,
I'm an experiencer. Yeah, and they're different than they all have their place.
I know that Travis. The first time I met him and I touched
him, I made him cry and I cried. I didn't mean to make
him cry, but there is that. I think it's that so knowingness that
you've been where they are. My question to him was, I was not
prepared for the politics and all the stuff that goes along with this kind of
stuff. I didn't know it existed. And so many people had been trying
to get me to change when it happened, to do change this and to
change that. And I asked him, did that happen to him? And
he looked at me and he said all the time, stay true to your
truth. And there's a bond for me. And I haven't talked to him
about it at all. And I don't mean to imply that we're close friends.
Were not. But I have been where he's I had, and I've
heard him speak, and I've touched him, and there's just something that when
I see him, it's like seeing the truth and another person. I mean
the truth to the depths of what it is. He knows. Well,
I'll tell you I have never felt anything but honesty. And you know,
sitting across from him talking to him, Yeah, the best time, not
talking on the show. The best time I sat. I was at a
conference that he was at, and he and I were sitting in a back
room right by a restaurant or where the wait staff was going in and out,
and we sat there for about a couple hours and just talked about other
things, and then we got into a real deep, you know, some
deep, really deep conversations. And you know off the record that I think
Travis is one hundred percent legit myself and absolutely yeah. And when he lost
his brother, he just I mean his brother was his his you know,
rug for him and and you know that happens with a lot of people.
When you know somebody and you know that they are real to the core and
the soul of who they are, when you lose them, you really lost
something. I experienced that with Jim Marris right right. I had Jim Marris
on the show one time. He's a nice guy. He was fun to
talk to. Yeah, yeah, he was well, you know, he
made a joke of just about everything. And several times he would say,
Charlotte, why do I not get approached this way or that way? And
I'd say, Jim, you don't even know the value of who you are.
And if you don't know it, you know, other people are not
going to respect either. They don't respect that. Did they take it as
a joke? And he was shaky, said he said, just too much
of a good old boy, and that was him. Yeah, he was
a Texan too. And did you go near each other? We didn't,
Well, maybe eighty some miles close enough that he would come here for his
reading sometimes and I'd go spend the weekend at his house. And when he
passed, we we shot some of his ashes out of a cannon. Oh
my goodness. Oh he's quite. He was quite the character. Quite the
character. Yeah, yeah, interesting, interesting, going back to going back
to this case, as far as you know, has anyone else that was
on that sight um talked about you know, any other witness talked about what
they saw? Not not firsthand, No, that not that I'm aware of.
The closest that there has been is that when Ryan Wood did some of
his research for the book that I was aware of and agreed to let him
do. Um would have been the son of the sheriff at the time,
and it was that he he didn't have firsthand knowledge, but he said he
did remember hearing of a christ Ufo and and little people Um, and that
would be the only one that I'm aware of. Now I don't know what
research I haven't ivan't. You know. After he did the book, he
went on to other things, and so did I. But he could have
gotten more information because he had a website up for people to contact him.
But I haven't heard from him that he found anybody. Yeah, with firsday
and information, you know, it was also different times when back then,
you know, of course, this was just when the war was getting ready
to start at the end of the same year. Everyone listened to the government
of the government and somewhere from the whole story said, you know, you
don't talk about this unt. They absolutely didn't. It was a different time.
It was a different time today. If this happened, there'd be iPhone
snapping away and you'd be on Instagram and everything else wouldn't be possible in this
day and time. That's right, Yeah, it just wouldn't Yeah, yeah,
that would It would just be a viral thing. But so we have
we have just about ten minutes left, and so I don't know if this
at this point, you know, I could take some question in from the
chat room, but if if you think that besides Um Blake Paul Blake Smith's
book, UM, what are some other misconceptions you said there was a lot
out there that was you know a lot of people out there that were telling
the story and they were telling it wrong or telling your story wrong. Well,
some of its little things and some of its bigger things, like I've
seen it printed everywhere that granddad went out to give last rights. He was
Baptists. They don't do less, right, Cantholict does? Right? Yeah?
Yeah, that's Catholic Um. And you know they can be as small
as that. And when I read that, it's like, well, they
don't really know what you're talking about. They've read some of the other stuff,
Um, And misconceptions of the number of people that were there, Like
they say that the picture was two police been holding the alien. No,
it wasn't at all. I only knew of the police in connection with UM
who came and picked up my granddad was from the police department. UM.
And it had been mentioned at one place that the FBI was there. No,
they weren't. Uh. The only people that were there were the people
from the farmhouse one or two neighbors, which there weren't many because it was
the property was not close, not like houses next door and things. Um
and uh. I think probably that where the were they radio through the police,
like the newspaper will pick those things up, a few people like that,
but there probably wasn't. I've heard and read that there were lots of
people there. There wasn't maybe tops fifteen if that many. Um. Sometimes
the time being earlier. I've had some that I've read that they've got it
in different towns that they're close, but not where my granddad's was. So
they'll have different locations, they'll have different times of the day. This was
at night, you know. I don't think anybody would think nine or nine
thirty nine, like six or five or six, you know, just things
like that. Now, one of the questions that always seems to come up,
and a question that I have to is a crash. Why a crash?
I mean, of course you have no answer. I have no answer.
But it is curious as to why a craft would crash to begin with,
especially if it was from an alien planet or some other place. Of
course, we really don't. I don't think there's anyone that really knows for
sure where these things or wherever or whatever are coming from. But still it
is a curious thing why a craft would, if it did travel, you
know, such a long distance, how it would crash on the Earth.
That is a bizarre thought. Well, I don't find it being so bizarre.
You know, there is no such thing as perfection. I don't care
how many years you've been around or how intelligent you've become. There is no
perfection, and so things can go wrong. The fact that they travel that
far would to me say, the possibility of something happen rises rather than falls,
and not knowing what their propulsion is. I know in the sixties,
Um, you know they there's a colony under Matt Schesta. Uh, they're
all over And has to do with a lot of times, the paths and
how they run with with actual impulses, the grids, the electronic grids.
Many things can go wrong, and so I can't see why they wouldn't.
Okay, Well, it's always good to hear a different perspective on that in
particular. And um, I you know, it's just it's just a thought.
And and you know, has anyone um that you've talked to ever thought
it could be something else besides aliens? Or do you think that's kind of
the direction that the thoughts were on the people that interviewed you and who have
spoken with over the years about this, I've never had anybody, uh go
that direction. The majority of the people that I've talked to believed that that's
the case, because it's it has to do with not just what is in
front of you, but what are you feeling? Because we are multifaceted,
and we're more than human beings. We're only fifty percent human. The other
fifty percent is the spiritual side of us. And that you know there are
no boundaries to that. And if you and if you I started out and
I followed all of major religious I attend the Department of the World Religious in
nineteen ninety three, there was one hundred and twenty eight religious representatives. And
when you get into the nuts and boats of all of them, there is
a thread that runs between them that is who we all are we all come
from, and so you know knowing that they're not like us, they don't
look like this. If you have any kind of contact, you realize that,
and it's the feeling that you get in your soul that this is extremely
different. It's not like you go to another country and you see, yes,
people who look different than you do. There is a feeling of that
difference on the degree in that level that it can't be from here. Hard
to explain. It's more about feeling than it is explaining it. Sure.
Sure, going back to what you said earlier about staying up until you know,
locking yourself in the bathroom Peau day life. Yeah, did all of
your experiences and from what you knew of your sister's experiences before she that all
got blanked out from her? Did everything occur during the nighttime? Only it
didn't always, but the majority of the time it was was at night.
There is it's a lot easier to travel, to be out of your body,
to have experiences when the vibrational level of the humans on the earth is
at a lower point, not as much going on, not as much to
break that you can get through from the other side if you will, because
I do a lot of connecting families with deceased loved ones. I do a
lot of work with people who have families have committed suicide. For them to
be able to reach through is much easier when there's not as much of that
energy vibration, So it's easier at night than it is during the day.
But now there are things that have happened in a broad daylight. Uh huh
huh. And you know the situation with your family, you know, you
said you got to speak to your grandmother. I don't know exactly when she
passed eighty four, nineteen eighty four, so there was a lot of talk.
Um, you know, she saw all the UFO flaps going on and
stuff like that. Do you know did your family pay attention to those things
or was this just something that um, you know, it was just the
family situation that happened and they didn't discuss anything else. Okay, when you
say the UFO flaps in regards to my grandmother, I'm not sure what you're
speaking of. I'm just saying there was a lot in the news, you
know, during like nineteen fifty two, and oh no, we didn't follow
any of that. You didn't Okay, No, we didn't follow any of
that. We didn't. It's hard to imagine that was an incident that happened
in our family and we kind of just put it up on the shelf,
and you know, other than the fact that I continued to want to validate
it for myself, and that's all it was about, was to validate it
for myself and then later to see if it explained why was the way I
was in my life was the way it was. We didn't follow any of
it. In fact, when the first time that Stanton Friedman I called me,
he got my number from Prince Stringfield. I didn't know who he was.
I had not heard of him, and I felt bad because you could
tell it was hard for him to imagine I didn't know who he was,
and so he sent me a couple of these books and it's like, oh,
yeah, i'd seen him. I called him the weird Professor, you
know. But no, we didn't follow it. So well, Charlotte,
we're at the end of the show. I want to thank you so much
for coming on. It's it's well, you're very welcome. I appreciate the
opportunity to kind of sit thanks straight sure, because I think people are owed
the truth and it ought to be what it is. That's right. I
really appreciate it. And maybe we'll see you out there speaking, um,
you know, getting the story out more. That would be nice to see
that. Oh well, in regard to that, I've been asked Alejandro who
has asked me to speak at the International Youthod this year. So I nudged
out and it worked. You did, You did, right, Ell.
That's wonderful. I'll see you in October. Is it October? Steptember?
September fourth through? Okay, I'll see you then. All right, Okay,
thanks so looking forward to it. You bet. You take care of
yourself, you too, Papa. All right, everyone, thank you so
much for listening. That's it for our show this evening. And next week
we have Earl Gray on. He's a great guy. I can't wait to
have him on. That'll be a lot of fun. And so I do
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