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You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience
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the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. X
producer Pete former producer Pete. Thank you.

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He did do a great job in
that opening though, But that's a

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great uh opening st Yeah, we
can never get rid of that. Nah,

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Nope, that thinks stuff. Yea, what's going on, fellas?

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Welcome back to The Getting Salty Experience, the only podcast that plays the kitchen

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table to you. We got to
Canada. I'm about we getting more smoke

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from I mean, what are they
doing up there? I don't know,

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they don't notify fires. Where's the
kid in the chat? What's his name?

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I mean, what are they doing? Uh? Send them a lot

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of smoke? Always what they're doing? I guess I don't know, you

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know what they're doing. They're doing
this, I don't know. I think

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that's what they're doing. Let mean, come on, it's enough now.

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Yeah. I can't even see out
my windows over here? Is it really

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that bad? Little smoky? Yeah? Come on, somebody was telling it's

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fromalde Hyde, So I'm like,
cursy guy. Yeah, it looks so

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young. Maybe, yeah, I'm
actually dead? You are? You just

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don't know. You don't. Ah, you're talking to my guy all wrong.

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Well we gotta do that just for
just for the ships and giggles.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
loves that. Hey, you're talking to

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my guy all wrong. It's wrong, tonge wrong again, it's a wrong

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tone in the chat. Look at
that. I have to get I was

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looking Darren Phillips. Do something up
there? Where'd you for got? Sex?

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Put the thing out? Get a
two and a half something, bros.

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Yeah, I think sure is full. Oh well, we got to

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totally skipped my mind. Fifty seven
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headed in my mind as I was
listening to it. No mind, all

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right now. I can't look at
that guy when he's in the range of

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jersey. I can't look at the
cheese. It's the mood. Just show

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me that picture of that laughed my
ass off. It's so funny. It's

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got them googly eyes working. I
don't know what the hell he's doing in

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that picture. He wore that just
for you, Luke, because he knows,

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Sweet and Tonight's I'm gonna do my
own tip tonight, throw do me a

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favor, bro. If you're a
guy who's going on a detail in the

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FDY or a volley goes back and
forth to the job, don't put your

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buck to get in your car without
putting it in some kind of bag,

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preferably something that keeps the contaminants out. Because you put your kids in the

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car, you know you put them
in the in the cort seat where you

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had some contaminated geah, no boyanel
bro clean it up, tightening and if

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it's a plastic bag, tired in
a knot correct a balloon knot? Yeah

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you go, oh yeah, whoa
whoa show? Yeah yeah. I also

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want to I want to thank the
guys last week man and the guys after

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the show who contributed to Cat Blue. Guys, what an immense turn out.

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You guys should be proud of yourself. I know we are fabulous,

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fabulous that we could help that young
lady out unbelieving and you could keep if

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you keep doing what did that call, Ganza? I don't even know.

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It's super, Thanks the super because
there's still we just got another like six

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hundred or seven hundred dollars. You
know, guys were watching the show afterwards,

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so I taught us every month we're
just gonna add it up whatever we

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have there, if it keeps going
or just keeps on there in a check

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once a month for whatever it is
that month that we call the gift that

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keeps on giving. Sent to three
thousand dollars this morning. Actually, oh

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sweet, excellent, and I'm blasting
if you were on the show in the

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past year, I see fat Dowdy, right, do you mean a favor?

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We're planning the boat cruise again around
the Statue of Liberty on the fire

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Boat the John Jay Harvey, Uh, send me your email. I don't

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have everybody's email, or we just
I have it probably somewhere. Would make

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a hell of a lot easy if
he just sent it to me so I

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could finish up the E byte.
Which which email do you want to send

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it to get sold? Experience Coops
podcast at gmail dot com or text me

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if you have my number? Either
or either or we got the Bobby Gallio

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one who missed last year is a
yes this year. I think Killed Duff

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is coming, your friend edut Tight. I think Freddie laff Amine is coming,

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Chief laf Amina and uh and the
two guests tonight here getting an invite

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too, like the apples. Yeah, yes, that's it. That's it.

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Anything else, that's it just uh, just a reminder about the super

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chaff for tonight. Any questions related
to stampipes or something like that, please

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you can ask him. There's a
way to do it if you just want

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to support us, like he did
on Monday in previous shows. We greatly

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appreciate old support. You're getting smooth
at this problem. He's like, what

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the heck cut is it? It's
about a week oldbout a week old.

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I'm very jealous. He's buff from
my shirt too. Did you see that

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especially? Yeah? Wow, So
our one guest doesn't really need an introduction,

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Chief Norman. The guy is just
like he's the guy. He's here,

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it is here, it is,
let's bring him in here. He

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is no, no, no,
wait, sucked up up. I'm just

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giving you his credentials. I said, you don't even gotta give it.

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That's one guy. I gotta tell
you, before he even knew who I

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was, Bro, I would no
matter where I was going, I would

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see that guy at an airport.
I'm like, I think, Chief Norman

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again, I swear to guy every
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he was one of those guys.
Now the other guy we got coming in.

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Oh, the other guy. You
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him of the bro of h two. Oh, maybe the Sultan of the

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Stampipe, maybe the hero of the
of the host Line. I don't know.

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He's been said to walk around with
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I can tell you that much.
He's the superman with the two and a

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half in his hand. Bro.
When the Chief calls for more of us,

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he may respond in the clipt Torus, right, yes, he'll call

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the proby. He'll call the proby
of Vagina if he's caught using a fog

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doll on his lineup. Because the
straight stream is where it's at. And

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don't forget that brother here, he
is here, they are, both of

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them. Bring me, brothers,
all right? Here we go there,

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where's your one of them? We
go? There's your falls nuns. You

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want to help me? I don't
know. Guys for joining us again,

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I appreciate it. We're breaking.
You had to go to the cletus,

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right, I fumbled on that one, brod. We want to go back

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and do it again. When the
chief calls for more of us, he

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may respond in the Clattorus, look
at the chiefs face. That's why the

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chiefs in the sauna. He needs
to be massage and got to sweat this

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one out a long night. No
matter where I was going to the country.

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In the airport, I go,
I think that's Chief Nomen over there

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walking around. Yeah, yeah,
it never did offer to carrying my bags.

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Oh, chief, you probably wouldn't
know who I was back then.

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Hey, Chief doughby By, who
are you? I'm sorry? What who

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the hell are you get away from? All right, let's get the patriotic

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guns before we go any the very
patriotic show. Yeah, come on,

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man, let's get patriotic. Here
we go. All right, here we

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go. I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America and

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to the Republic, for which it
stands, one nation under God, indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all.
All right, you know what, You're

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gonna have to take the lead here, because I was busy sitting in the

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back coming up with these idiotic things. So I don't really know where you

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want to start. Well, we
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You wanted to go over some stuff. Obviously we're going to talk about standpipes,

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But did you want to talk about
what they mean, what you guys

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were talking about when we talked at
the show? What was that? Well,

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yeah, basically, the premise was
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all seen problems with standpipe operations,
and you know it's a It's not an

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everyday operation from most fired companies,
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They don't stretch a line every single
day unless you're forty two engine and

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you go into the training tower there. But most of the time it goes

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well, but every now and then
it doesn't and it usually falls back und

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you know, people doing things that
they know they shouldn't have done. The

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problem is that guys don't understand the
standpipe system itself. You know, it's

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not just a pipe that carries water. That's a simplistic view. But it's

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built to a standard, the NPA
fourteen standard that determines how the system is

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going to perform. And just because
your departments sop says, well, we

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do it this way, doesn't mean
that that system is designed to work that

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way. So I give you a
little bit of background. I spent about

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eight years seven years as a fire
protection engineer designing sprinkler and standpipe systems and

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high rise buildings, all kinds of
buildings before I got on the fire apartment

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and standpipes are pretty simple. There's
a code that tells you how far apart

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the outlets have to be. There's
another code that tells you what the pressure

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is going to be at each outlet. And too often fire departments think that,

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well, okay, this is a
simple thing. It's just like pulling

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pre connect and it's not. It's
a different, different environment that you're working

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in, just the fact that it's
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if it's a high rise, you
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twelve stories. That means all your
logistics has to come with you, so

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it takes time to get water on
the seat of the fire. If you

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need extra air cylinders, I mean
they're back down in the street. Everything

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that you didn't bring with you was
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got to go up there loaded for
bear, which puts a lot of work

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on the guys who are houlding that
stuff up, especially if the elevators are

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out of service that we see all
the time and you're now humping or your

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gear up. You know, multiple
flights of stairs, but you have to

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be prepared for when you get there, and shortcuts get us in trouble.

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Timmy and I were talking and we've
all seen it. You all have seen

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it where the best laid plans of
mice and men get messed up because somebody

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does something that they shouldn't do.
So guns, could we start with.

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They think it's slide thirteen. It's
just an illustration of a standpipe riser.

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And as I say, it's a
simple thing. You can have a couple

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of different sources of water supply,
but the code requires that for a single

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riser system, all that system has
to flow is five hundred gallons a minute

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from the two most remote outlets,
usually the top floor outlets. So that's

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all you can expect. If you
don't put that fire out with those two

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lines, well you're in big trouble. If we go to a multi riser

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system Slide fourteen. There, guns
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gallons a minute one two and a
half inch line, basically for every riser

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in the building. Now it used
to be in real big buildings. They

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might have four, five, six
seven rises going up in that building,

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but you're only going to get two
hundred and fifty gallons a minute off of

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each additional riser up to a maximum
of about twelve hundred fifty gallons a minute.

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That's a lot of water, but
it might not be everything you need,

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particularly if we're looking at something like
a high rise commercial building. So

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that's how we get into the discussion
here. If it's within the capacity of

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your host line, that's fine.
The problem some of the problems that i've

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seen. I spent you know a
few years in Engine two ninety we did

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a lot of high rise work down
in Starrett City or in the projects around

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us, and we had multi instances
where there were problems. One issue that

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we see. The code says,
well, every floor, every part of

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the floor should be within reach of
one hundred and fifty feet of hoes,

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but we know, like Louis,
you know, in two ninety we used

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to take seven lengths of hopes because
the federal projects had buildings that they reached.

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They cheated, if you will.
The outlets were not in the stairways.

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They put outlets out in the hallway
and met the code distance requirements with

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being no more than one hundred and
fifty feet away. But if you had

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to hook up on the floor below
and then stretch up a flight of stairs

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and then down the hall because you
didn't want to hook up to that outlet

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in the fire hallway, that took
us seven lengths of hose. So each

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guy who carry everybody had to take
two lengths, and a nozzleman carried one

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and the standpipe bag. So everybody
just burdened down plus the old gear,

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their masks and everything else. And
now again, if you're hoofing it because

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the elevators are out, you'll beat
up before you get to the firefloor.

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I don't know if it was Starrett, but it was. I don't know

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if that's me. It might be
you, Lou. I'm not sure one

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of them. I forget which building
it was. I was just telling the

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chief, like he was saying,
we went to so many stampipe buildings.

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It's like being out of the job
now is like it's like I don't remember

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anything, but I remember each guy
carried a roll up, and the control

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man carried two roll ups, and
the officer carried the bag, right,

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So I remember looking in that bag
and it was heavy, and I was

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telling the chief the guys used to
break balls all the time every once in

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a while. If you ever said, hey man, this bag is freaking

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heavy, you know, next time
you went in, there be like two

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extra you know, ten pound weights
in there, you know what I mean.

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So it was just pretty funny.
But I remember looking in that bag

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a lot, obviously going through every
scenario, and there were so many things

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in there, like the Chief was
saying, because somewhere along the line over

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the years, that was the problem
and that fixed for that particular problem for

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that particular building was in that bag. So you had to know each scenario,

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you know, because each stampipe was
totally different, each outlet was totally

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different. All this stuff was,
you know different, So you know,

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we really took a lot of pride
in that. But you know, if

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a detail came and he had control
and we had to you know, go

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to a stampipe, a lot of
times the doorman would take the extra length.

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Obviously you don't want your detail carrying
two lengths, but that extra length

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was to get to the last apartment, to get to the last room,

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right, So it was never going
to be that we were dependent on the

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second two engine, right. I
mean we could use their lengths, like

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the chief was saying, if you
know, go for seven lengths or something

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like that, but we were going
to have five lengths just to make sure

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that we're covering, you know,
the last apartment to the last room,

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which is important. I mean,
bring three lengths of hose and it's a

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four length stretch. We're good eye
you know. Again, that's the logistics

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that we're talking about. You've got
to have everything that you a gonna possibility

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need when you get to the firefloor. So carried all that stuff, you

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might be spent before you even start
operating the life. That's so one of

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the things we talked about, and
there was discussions about when we rewrote the

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engine manual, was you know I
liked I liked the fact that the officer

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carried the bag. I mean,
it was never going to be able to

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be written that way. But when
the officer carries the bag, he'd just

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by dropping the bag, he decides
what outlet he wants you to hook up

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to, you know, and it's
like a nonverbal command. I don't need

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my radio or anything else. I
dropped the bag by this outlet. That's

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it. This is where I want
you to hook up. And another thing

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about that one fifty one fifty gets
you to the door of the apartment,

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you know, and so you know
it doesn't that's that's the misnomer about that

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one fifty. It gets you to
the door of the apartment. And what

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we used to do we had the
polo grounds and we would take rope,

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the search rope as the longest rope
we had, and we would go and

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we we discovered that the e line
of apartments that in the polo grounds would

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need an extra it was fifteen feet, we would come up fifteen feet short,

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so that immediately went out to the
sids that the E line required four

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links because you know, you look
at standpipe stuff and not the um take

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over. But you know you look
at engine stuff. You know, when

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you look at engine work, it's
the hardest thing an engine has to do,

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you know. I mean, if
you think of everything it needs to

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go right to get a line in
operation at a standpipe building as opposed to

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pulling a preconnect off off an apparatus. You know, we've got to be

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able to carry all that stuff to
the drop point, connect to the outlet,

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supply the outlet, find a hydrant
that we can bring water to that

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outlet. All these things need to
go right. And I tend with me

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in the chief talk last night,
and I'm a big guy about doing it

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by the numbers, you know,
and have that checklist. If you do

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it by the numbers, you get
this right. You get this right,

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You get this right, you get
this right. Can it go wrong,

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sure, but you've kind of you
know, you're playing a home game now

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and you've limited the amount of things
that can go wrong if you simply just

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do it by the numbers. And
I'll tell you this, most engine officers

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don't understand NFPA fourteen. They they
think it's just a pipe that that gives

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me water. They don't understand that
there are limits to it. There,

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there are this to it. Um
if you're an engine officer, it's a

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document that I wouldn't suggest reading everything, but the information about stand pipes within

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that document is very very good used
to it. If if you're an engine

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officer, if that's what your your
goal is to be a good engine officer,

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you know there's things in there that
are rule pert into what we do

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every day. Yeah, they set
the parameters. I mean these rules were

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designed and developed. And you have
to understand that the NPA fourteen standard was

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first written in nineteen twelve, that
was first publication. Why was that Well

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because the e before they killed one
hundred and forty six people down at the

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ash building and the triangle shirtwaist fire. So that got a lot of attention,

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got rules created. But what was
fire attack like in nineteen twelve?

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You know, two affanche hoes and
an enginet, a solid tip nozzle.

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That's it. It wasn't a black
nozzles. So the NPA standard was created

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and for eighty years until nineteen ninety
three. You got that slide seven I

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do. Oh yeah. February of
ninety one, Philadelphia had a fire in

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one Meridian Plaza. The standpipe system
there created havoc for the fire department.

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They could not get an effective fire
stream in what was when they arrived a

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one office fire, relatively small fire
that could have been controlled if they could

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have gotten a working hose line in
operation, but they couldn't. The standpipe

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system was improperly installed and their hose
line required way too much pressure that just

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wasn't going to be available. Uh
So, gons, if you go to

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slide twenty two, twenty three,
twenty two to twenty two, here was

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the problem right there in Philadelphia.
It was a pressure reducing valve that is

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a complex mechanical valve, and they
failed. They failed in Los Angeles City

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after the Philadelphia tragedy, Los Angeles
City tested every single valve in the city

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and three quarters of them failed to
deliver an effective fire street. So that

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was a severe problem. But the
fire department aspect is also part of it,

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all right, So if you're taking
inchant three quarter hose and the fog

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nozzle that if you put If you
put two hundred feet of inchant three quarter

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with a fog nozzle directly off your
engine, you're pumping at it about two

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hundred psi. The standpipe system is
designed so that at the top floor outlet

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you get no more than sixty five
psi. Back in before nine, Yeah,

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sixty five psi. That's it at
the top floor outlet. Now at

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the bottom floor you might have one
hundred one hundred and fifty, but you're

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not getting two hundred. Ever,
so the nozzle and the hose that you

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used to fight that fire have to
match the system designed. After ninety three,

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the standard was revised and they gave
us a little more pressure. You

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can have one hundred psi. You
should have one hundred psi at the top

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floor outlet, But what's one hundred
psi when you got one hundred psi nozzle?

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You need one hundred just for the
nozzle. We get the frictional loss

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through the hose and everything. So
we're still not at the pressure that people

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think that they're getting. Too.
Often they think, well, okay,

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I can get more pressure. I'll
just maybe pump into the fire department connection

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and I should be able to build
that up maybe and maybe not. The

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firepump may have a relief valve that's
built in that it's going to dump the

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excess pressure that you put in.
So there are all kinds of variables in

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the system that your best intentions in
the world and your srps are just not

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going to overcome. So we have
to be prepared for that. Bottom line,

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Okay, this is the most I'm
gonna get, And most of the

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time the answer is still going back
to nineteen twelve, especially in older buildings.

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If you've got a building was built
before ninety three, it's going to

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be the sixty five psi at the
top floor, which means again three four

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lengths to two and a half and
then into a solid tip nozzle, and

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that's all that system is going to
work with anything. You try to do

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anything else and you're dropping your gallonage
and or your pressure at the nozzle.

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So well, that's that's that's a
real key point because a lot of people

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don't understand n A PA fourteen and
that's sixty five, Like you know what

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every says, hyy sixty five?
Why the pre ninety one, why was

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it sixty five? And that was
built around the attack package. If you

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do the math of the three links
of two and a half with an inch

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and an h tip, it's sixty
five p si. So so that that

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system is designed around the attack package. The attack package is not designed around

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the system. The system is designed
to supply. That's why it was sixty

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five originally. Now the one hundred, it's one hundred now since uh,

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you know the one medium plaza fier
And you know, I've asked a lot

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of people, you know, why
the hundred and you know, the best

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I could get it to compromise from
the companies that are using the fog nozzles

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and the people that are still using
the the smooth born nozzles. And to

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me, that just doesn't work.
I mean, if you're gonna if you're

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gonna increase it for a reason,
you know, have a reason why.

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Because especially with standpipes, you know, you got to ask the why.

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You know, like we went to
the two inch leagally and I don't want

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to get ahead of ourselves. And
my question when we did that was the

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why why did we do that?
You know, when the system is built

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around the attack package of three links
of two and a half and a smooth

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bore nozzle with an inch and eighth
tip. So why did we go to

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a line that's going to sacrifice forty
five gallons of water a minute? Um?

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You know, And and that was
my question. So you know,

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to reiterate what the chief says about
the the pre ninety one standard to sixty

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five if you understand where that comes
from. That sixty five is built for

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the attack package of three links and
the inch and an eighth tip. Just

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system. Huh, you have to
understand the system. Un Yeah. Now,

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you know, some of those new
pressure reducing valves, a lot of

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people don't realize their their factory preset. So you'll see on some of them,

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you'll see they'll have an imboss number
twenty three, and you'll be on

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the tenth floor of a building and
I'll have a twenty three on it,

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and that was actually meant for the
twenty third floor of building. The plumbers

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don't give a shit where they put
them. But a lot of those things,

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yeah, with math or factory not. The device is not a pie.

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I could be on the on the
on the third floor, but it's

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set and the yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, it happens a lot.

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That's crazy. Another thing a friend
of mine I just talked to and

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not to get off, but they
just came out with the fire Service just

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won a big victory because had these
other valves. There's some it's called an

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automatic breach uh for the last word, but it's a it's a valve that

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if if the system senses an exorbitant
flow, it shuts the system down.

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But the valve couldn't um decide whether
it was flow off an outlet or flow

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off a break, so they most
play. And he said there's some installed

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in New York City. Said it's
a automatic breach control and if it's all

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if the pipe breaks, it shuts
it down. It doesn't flood the building,

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but it couldn't distinguish whether you're falling
off. How many times get it

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down? Though? We beat that
and they can't use them anymore. That's

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very many times as a broken pipe, you know, in a stampipe system

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flooded a building. You know.
No, maybe crazy vandalism opening valves.

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We used to get that a lot, you know, the kids opening valves

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on the upper floors of a high
rise. But when we need it.

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We need the water. Most times
you break a pipe and it's gonna be

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a it'll be a dry system because
you'll get rot with the dry system.

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If you have water in that system, you'll get some rot, but it

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won't it just can't really do it. You'll get you'll get the air will

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rot them out. So like in
parking Garager, we pop them all the

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time because they're there. You know, they''ll always be a dry system because

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we don't want to freeze those systems. And the dry systems break a lot

408
00:30:53.319 --> 00:31:00.480
more than the wet winds do.
Is there breaks. The other pot that

409
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:08.480
breaks is this line from the Siamese
connection which is dry up to the visor

410
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:15.480
and we've had you know, Siamese
is bloody hyping from the Siamese connection blow

411
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:21.599
out of the building. That's why
it's so important. Like if you're an

412
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.839
engine officer, wherever you were,
whether it's New York City, whether it's

413
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:30.519
Myrtle Beach, whether it's Charleston,
you should understand the buildings within your district

414
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.960
because you know they're very they're a
lot more complex than people. There's isolation

415
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.799
valves, so if you have a
break, you can isolate the break and

416
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.599
still get water to the fire area. You know, I had a fire

417
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.640
up in the BRONX. I showed
up and Francis X was the chief,

418
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.680
and I walked up and he said
to me, goes, thank god your

419
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:52.079
hair, you're the wizard. No, but he said, listen, we're

420
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.400
having real trouble at water. Can
you figure out what's going on? So

421
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.400
what I did was I told two
guys listen, start a line and we'll

422
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.920
supply to floor outlet. And then
I realized underneath there was their cabinets,

423
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.960
and you'll see on alten floors,
underneath the cabinet there'll be another openable cabinet

424
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.480
with a valve and Ali's and y
valve in there, and those are section

425
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.920
valves and we can isolate certain sections. So I knew if I had a

426
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.720
problem, I could isolate it.
So I go into basement and they were

427
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.720
there the day before testing the system. So there's a test plug that they

428
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.799
unscrewed. The plug screwed into pressure
grades and then they pressurize the system,

429
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.079
you know, to test to pressure
test it. But they never put the

430
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:30.680
plug back in, so it was
spitting out the whole. There was a

431
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.720
foot and a half of water in
the basement. So we were able to

432
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.400
figure out what's going on and luckily
they put the fire out. It didn't

433
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.559
have to supply and't have to do
anything else. But if you understand a

434
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:44.279
system and when you when you're troubleshooting, if you're not getting water, you

435
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.720
got to start at the source.
You don't know people will start from the

436
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:54.400
outlet down wrong, throw up slide
fifty four exactly what Timmy's talking about.

437
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.480
Oh the valve on the bottom.
That yeah, that's it, that's bottom.

438
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:06.960
It's required to be below the first
floor hose outlet. Now this is

439
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.480
a nice simple one where it is
right below the hose outlet, but it

440
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:15.039
could also be at the first at
the sellers ceiling. So if you're having

441
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:22.920
that problem again again, I've had
two fires where the Siamese connection blew out

442
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:29.559
of the wall and closing that valve
and pumping into the first floor now put

443
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.200
you back in business. Yes,
you can isolate. Yes, I think

444
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.000
in the Big six Louis we had
we had those valves outside the buildings because

445
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:43.359
you could you could shut them building. They might have been post indicators,

446
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.400
that's what they were, posted post
indicators. If if you had a roof

447
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.759
tank that served multiple buildings, or
if you had one line and come in

448
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.759
that branched off, you'd have post
indicators valves outside the building, right,

449
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.640
Yeah, we always check those.
That was one thing we always looked at

450
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.519
to make sure they were open.
They were all open. Right. How

451
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.960
often does do the buildings have to
test, you know, the standpipes.

452
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.280
I'm not sure. Under FPA fourteen, it's got to be annually. I

453
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.960
would think, yeah, well,
i'm here it's annually. They have to

454
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.239
do it annually. Down here.
Part of the problem is not every bit

455
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:23.159
of the system gets tested. Again, that check valve at the riser all

456
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:28.800
the way back to the Siamese connection
usually doesn't get tested, and that's one

457
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.039
of the weakest points. So yeah, it could be annually. Well,

458
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:38.840
if they get tested, it gets
tested to NFPA standards and not firepartment standards,

459
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.159
right, you know, so you
know we might be putting a little

460
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:49.239
more stress on a system than the
NFPA standard does. Yeah. Yeah,

461
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.719
So these are, like I said, Dick, complex systems that you have

462
00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:01.840
to understand and then you have to
do the right thing. All the time.

463
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:08.639
We saw guys taking shortcuts again just
because the building is designed that they

464
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:15.679
have that outlet out in the public
hallway to meet the distance requirements. Doesn't

465
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.960
mean you should use that. Think
about that as a smoke. You go

466
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.639
out into the public hall if the
door to the fire apartment is open,

467
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:30.599
what is that telling you? You're
in the fire area, trying to make

468
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:39.480
your connections under stress now and yeah
it's banking down nothing and God forbid you

469
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.960
get you know, like happened down
Vandalia Avenue where the wind blows in.

470
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.480
Now you're out in the hallway with
the fire and you're done. You know,

471
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:58.559
the problem is that it works of
the time, you know, And

472
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.400
I don't like those odds, you
know, especially when it you know,

473
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.320
like we said earlier, you know, you know, when you ask the

474
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.239
why why don't we do that?
Well, if the fire answers that question

475
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.440
for you, you're in frigging trouble, you know what I mean. There's

476
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.440
really always a reason. The reason
why we don't do it that way is

477
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.679
because people have died, right,
Yeah, it only takes one time.

478
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.079
If I if I have to explain
the why, you know, I tell

479
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.559
them if the fire is going to
explain the why to you, you know,

480
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.360
we're gonna get screwed up here,
like do it by the numbers,

481
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:28.000
go to flore Hey, listen,
does it seem it's gonna be harder?

482
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.159
Might be, but it's safer and
it's more efficient. And at the end

483
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:34.360
of the day, you know you're
gonna get your line in place. And

484
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.920
you know, like two nine,
you did a ton of project like we

485
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.239
did up in harm and we we
tried hooking up. We used took up

486
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.039
in the polar grounds, uh,
in the cabinets, in the hallways,

487
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.440
and you know, we got caught
one day and from that point forward,

488
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.840
you know what seemed easy, and
you know easy isn't always the best,

489
00:36:52.960 --> 00:37:00.639
especially when it comes to stampoint just
not happened. It happened once. I

490
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.480
was the control man and it was
a nursing home, and we can beat

491
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.559
the first two engine in ninety nine
point nine percent of the time, and

492
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.639
we spanked him. We got in
first, and I didn't have enough.

493
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.840
I did not have enough line to
go because I was hooking. You know,

494
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.400
it was I would have to drop
two floors below, and I was

495
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.079
calling for them to bring their line
to help because we wouldn't have made distract

496
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.920
and I don't know if they were
pissed off that we beat him in.

497
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.599
So I chose to hook up on
the fire floor and Dennis Murphy's the only

498
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.000
time he fucking yelled at me in
a way. I was like, I

499
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.480
have never don that again, man, you know. But they I didn't

500
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.880
think I had a choice. You
know, we got in first, and

501
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.559
they don't lose the job. I
didn't want to lose the job. And

502
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.719
then snowballs we were going to reach
and I'm calling them on the radio to

503
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.639
bring their lines and they just they
didn't. But it's just it's just one

504
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.239
of those roles that and we've all
listened. We've all cut corners. I

505
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.199
mean, I'm not saying you didn't. You you we've all done that.

506
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.119
But it's just, you know,
you when you look at that animal of

507
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.400
a standpipe fire, you know you
can get away with it atenement, a

508
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.920
Brownstone, But you know when when
when a when a standpipe building fights back,

509
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.440
it's bad, you know. And
that's the problem with not doing it

510
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.639
by the numbers, because when it
goes bad, it goes bad in a

511
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.559
hurry, you know, and there's
really nowhere to go. Like in an

512
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.480
atenement, you you can go somewhere
in a project, you know, and

513
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:34.079
it's very hard to get out of
that. And as unfortunately as as our

514
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.199
job has proved, you know,
when it goes bad, it's very hard

515
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:44.079
to turn around and fix that.
Yep. Well, that's why you need

516
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:49.559
your avenue over retreat. You know, in the fireproof building, what's the

517
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:54.159
only safe area. You got a
staircase behind a closed door. Staircase,

518
00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:00.679
So that's where you need to be
starting from. I mean, go back

519
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.480
to that Vandalia Avenue fire again.
You know two ninety tried three times to

520
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.360
get out into the public hall before
the third time. Yeah, that's the

521
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.519
back of the building and the windows
with the smoke. It was the fire

522
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.840
apartment. This is the front of
the building, these smoke stained windows.

523
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.480
That's one hundred about sixty feet down
the hall and on the opposite side of

524
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:30.039
the fire across the hall from it. That fire was venting down that hallway

525
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.760
and that company tried to get out
of that door. I think I got

526
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:39.199
a picture of what is it,
HRMDS twenty two the staircase. Yeah,

527
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:45.920
they tried to get out of that
door three times. They had to get

528
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:51.800
two eighty three and two nineties line
opened them and then opened the door before

529
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.960
they could get out into the hallway. It was that bad going down that

530
00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.920
staircase. They backed down a staircase
twice because it was that bad. Fire

531
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:07.079
blown into the staircase around them and
drove them back down the stairs. That's

532
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:13.079
bad. Another company tried to hook
up on that outlet right there on the

533
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:19.880
tenth floor and was unable to connect
because the door was open, and never

534
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.039
did get their line charged. So
these things happen. And like Timmy said,

535
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:31.639
ninety nine percent at a time,
you're gonna be fine. Can do

536
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:37.079
that one percent, then I can
do the O of the front of the

537
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.719
fire building all black. It's you
know, what's what I'm talking about.

538
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.000
It's got fire stains. Now it
go back. It's not that one.

539
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:51.079
Here we go there. It is
so so you look at that picture and

540
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.960
then you think back to the the
Vandalia Avenue picture that he showed where the

541
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:59.320
stains weren't even nearly that bad.
So what's the difference in those two fires.

542
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.360
So this fire they put out from
the inside with no problem at all,

543
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.400
none whatsoever. And so people would
look at that and say, well,

544
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.880
that was the worst fire but Van
Daily Avenue, the smoke stains weren't

545
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.199
even You look at that build and
say, how bad that fire could it

546
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.159
be? That's because you know it
was a win impact and fire and all

547
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:20.119
that stuff. You see any outside
of that building right there was being pushed

548
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.440
back into the building. And that's
why you know, you know these builds,

549
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.880
that's why these fires are so deceiving
because you look at that picture and

550
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.440
you say, wow, that's a
really good job. And it went out

551
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.760
pretty quickly with the single two and
a half where Van Daily Avenue took the

552
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.000
lights of three firefighters and it didn't
even look that bad at all. And

553
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.639
that's because the wind played a role
on that and shit had gone wrong.

554
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:44.320
And that's like, like we said, how bad they can go When it

555
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.000
doesn't look bad for me outside,
you know, it can go bad in

556
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:52.280
a hurry. And that's like I
said, I go back to that.

557
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.719
If I can do the one percent
that go bad, I can do the

558
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:06.639
ninety nine that go right easily.
So I'm gonna jump in there. I'm

559
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:07.840
gonna jump in there early. I'm
just gonna jump in there early. I

560
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.119
don't when you get a chance.
So maybe I don't know for the audience

561
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:13.320
as far as what you guys would
carry in your bag, because I know

562
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.960
we have a bag down here,
we'll kind of just I don't want to

563
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.039
totally change the momentum of the show, but if at some point maybe you

564
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.280
could just touch on a case somebody
wants to know what's in the bags.

565
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.360
There's a lot of stuff that we
mandate in the engine manual that you're supposed

566
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.480
to bring, but a lot of
companies that have made bastard tools to do

567
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.800
stuff. We we gotta bring a
Stillson wrench, pipe wrench. You're supposed

568
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:38.239
to bring the pressure gauge, but
most companies are attaching that to the controlling

569
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.840
already. I don't know what two
ninety did, but most companies attached that

570
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.119
there. Um, you're supposed to
bring an extra wheel, you're supposed to

571
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.239
bring adapters. Um, you're supposed
to bring another nozzle, and then a

572
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.679
lot of companies will carry extra caps. A lot of companies will carry hire

573
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:01.000
brushes. Some companies will make a
two for a stuck wheel. But you

574
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.719
can do the same thing with the
Stilson wrench by opening up and putting the

575
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.559
wheel and open it that way.
So there's stuff that's mandated our job that

576
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:13.480
we bring. But like a lot
of times you know you'll have in that

577
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:19.239
bag um that are building specific stuff. Also, like a lot of places

578
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.840
now bring a one way gate with
them so they can control the outlet a

579
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.119
little better. And I never really
agreed with it because it adds a little

580
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.679
bit extra weight, but now they're
making them a little lightweight and they can

581
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.159
control the opening and closing of that
you're putting it basically, you're putting a

582
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.239
gate on a gate. Yeah,
that's what's gonna say. That's exactly what

583
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.639
we do. Is we not again
just a little two cents, was that

584
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.920
we actually pump the entire system and
then we control the PSI at the at

585
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:50.960
the at the the fire department gate
and not the valvet's not and we have

586
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.719
the pressures and that's how we control
the entire way. And then you use

587
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:59.440
the fire department gate to control and
you find it it's more easy to control

588
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.039
the pressure that way. Getting more
we have actually we haven't set and it's

589
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.360
we carry two hundred feet to hose
a two inch actually is what we're running

590
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:07.760
now. Where we have the gauge, we have the valve and that's part

591
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.280
of our system. They set everything
up. They want if we have one

592
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.840
hundred fifty fee to hose out,
it's one hundred psi. If we want

593
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:15.599
two hundred feet to hose out,
they pump it up and running up two

594
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.079
hundred and ten psi, So we
get two sixty five with the tip.

595
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.239
Yeah, a lot of a lot
of places say they carry that game.

596
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.719
No, not totally against it.
Um. A lot of people say if

597
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:29.400
if you open that valve and it
gets stuck open and you can't now you

598
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:30.920
can't get it back close, And
a lot of them are that way.

599
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:36.519
At least you have that fire department
gate where you can control the pressure is

600
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.119
there because you are basically a pump
operator. That's what that's actually the engine

601
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:47.000
and operated gate though that key a
screw operated gate. Yes, yeah,

602
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.880
we're not using a ball valve case
sexual true gate valve. Yes, yeah,

603
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.639
you're not using a ball valve.
A ball valve is not. You

604
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.760
don't use a ball valve there.
Chief. I remember in Starrett they used

605
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:00.199
to the guys used to if I
have this right again, it's been a

606
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.159
long time. It's uh, we
didn't open up the valve all the way

607
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.159
because the guys were afraid of a
hammer, like they would get like,

608
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.639
I guess if the pump would turn
on or something would happen. Right,

609
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.239
we used to get this hammer,
uh, and you would feel it on

610
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.840
the nozzle would sometimes knock get out
of your hand or something. I don't

611
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.079
I don't remember what was. Yes, Start City had their own pumps and

612
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.320
it was a good you know,
you've got plenty of pressure there, so

613
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.440
when that pump kicked in, you
could you could get a you know,

614
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.880
pretty good. That's why I think
they never the guys would say they wouldn't

615
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.840
open the valve all the way because
if they you know that, guess they

616
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.559
operated like that, and then it
would it was better to keep it cranked

617
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.760
down a little bit. I don't
remember all that stuff. I was just

618
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:45.400
going to the fire They handled all
that shit. But that's that's just knowing

619
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:51.360
your district building specific stuff Like Hey
Starn had its own pump. We knew

620
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:52.760
that we couldn't open it all the
way because we didn't want the hammer,

621
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.280
and we risked, you know,
pop in a sweat and blowing a valve

622
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.719
off somewhere. So and you know, that's that's a great example of Hey

623
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.760
listen, these are the buildings we
respond to. I want to know my

624
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.559
systems. I don't like I said, I don't need I don't need to

625
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.800
know how to stretch at a tenement. I need to know how my systems

626
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.480
are in my neighborhood. So that's
that's a perfect example of that. Yeah,

627
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.440
Tim, what about the Chauffe's that
you guys have a chauffe stampipe kit

628
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.199
too? Maybe you want to go
what was in that we did? It's

629
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.480
it's the Chauffez stamp pipe kit is
kind of minimized a little bit now because

630
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:31.159
they've made a um a appliance that
it's a it's a single appliance to supply

631
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:35.840
the first flower outlet. So if
you get a bad Siamese or a lot

632
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.840
of places have the storage connections to
supply the riser. If it's bad and

633
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.800
you have to supply the first flower
outlet. Um A lot of places made

634
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.639
a Chauffe's kit that had all the
and I try to figure it out.

635
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.639
I think it's a a three and
a half to two and a half reducer

636
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.199
and then a two and a half
dubber female you'd have to bring to make

637
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:01.239
that connection before they came out with
the double fe male swivel twin half,

638
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:08.360
so it's a single you know,
transgender fitting. Okay, ye see where

639
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:14.400
l l g p qt lt yeah
rst lpq Yeah, that's that's a transigent

640
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.840
transgender fitting. So um. But
the one thing we added to that it

641
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.239
wasn't in the the engine manual was
that if you're supplying that first flower outlet,

642
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:27.960
and a lot of people don't realize
this is because because you know that

643
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.119
Chauffur's gonna be running back and forth. So a lot of guys would go

644
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:36.280
and make the connection to the first
flower outlet, open the outlet, and

645
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.960
then run back to the rig and
charge that rig to supply the outlet.

646
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:45.840
But the problem with that is is
once you open rimer's an outlet, so

647
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.920
you're gonna you're on the first floor, you're gonna rob if if they're flowing

648
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.639
water and they don't have adequate water, but they got enough to survive until

649
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.639
the rig, So if you open
that outlet, you're gonna rob them of

650
00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:00.400
their water. So the important thing, especially with that sofa's kit, whatever

651
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.480
you bring, is you've got to
bring water to the out the first and

652
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.360
then open it. That way you
won't have an interruption of water on the

653
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:13.000
fire floor. Good point. Hopefully, Yeah, that's in a new engine.

654
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.800
Man we pick the hopefully gets just
second due engine show for to get

655
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:25.199
out of his cab and help put
down the donut buddy. Now, most

656
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:30.039
most engines, when you go to
a standpipe building, that second doue chauffeur

657
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:35.159
is making a bee line to help
out that first due chauffeur, you know,

658
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.280
because they know they're they're hands stretching
the three you know, to supply

659
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:43.440
that Siamese. Even as a squad. When I came in, that's the

660
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.920
first thing. I mean, I
had a little leeway to where I was

661
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.079
going. You touched hose, no
stop, you might hurt my feelings.

662
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:53.519
If I had I would feeling.
I would Oh, I said, if

663
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.639
I had something, I would always
check on the first two chauffe It didn't

664
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.840
even have to be a yeah,
even if it was a step was make

665
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.519
sure he had water because but that's
a professional chauffeur. That's what a professional

666
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.639
chauffer does. Stay make sure the
first new chauffeur is taken care of.

667
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.559
You know, at any fire,
you know that you show up a second

668
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.639
tountion. You know it isn't you
know picking up girls time, it's go

669
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.800
up and make sure that's first.
And that's what a professional show. If

670
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.880
you see him going around the rig
a few times as you pull themselves into

671
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:30.000
the ground like hey you okay,
guy, he's a guy throwing time,

672
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:37.440
Like right, it's and it could
be the simplest thing, but you just

673
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.800
get blinded because you're on the right. It doesn't listen. We've all been

674
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.840
there at some point. You have
to try and stay calm. But when

675
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.159
you got guys getting burnt or whatever
and you're trying to do something quick,

676
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:49.920
sometimes yeah, the worst thing you
can hear is a chauffer is where's my

677
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.360
water? Yeah, you're looking,
you're looking at your line coming off the

678
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:58.880
rig looks good, and then you're
you're tapping the gauge. I don't or

679
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.920
you see the thing out to zero. So we have a problem. Everything

680
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.360
did in the squad. But I
loved, you know, being first due

681
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.079
chauffeur like that first seven eight minutes
a few years so is all on you

682
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.199
man. You know, once you
get water to those guys, you're like,

683
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.880
yeah, time's at by three at
a stampipe pilling. Yeah, well

684
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.920
it is all on you. Yeah, you know without over there. I'll

685
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:29.079
bet your off yep. Yeah,
he's not on his game. Man,

686
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.079
how many times dude, that left
rack we get. We used to get

687
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:37.760
to left rack pretty fast, and
oh my goodness, gracious man, I've

688
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.599
seen some bad You know, you've
never been to the Polo grounds, I

689
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.840
take Yeah, it's just tough,
like the Chief of saying before, man,

690
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.480
those jobs. If you get a
little delay or you know, you're

691
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:50.679
not in sync with everything on the
sixteenth floor, you know, and it's

692
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:52.960
a good fire and it's you know, maybe it's snow out or whatever,

693
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.599
and everythingbody's a little delayed, it
just gets it could go ugly quick.

694
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.079
Man. You know the Polo Grounds, the hallways were in a te so

695
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.599
it was out in the hallway.
It wasn't like a straight hallway. You

696
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.480
had you had you had a couple
of times find out where it was.

697
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:15.519
Yeah, it was no fun up
there. The Polar Grounds what street with

698
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.000
those on one, five, five, and eighth Avenue, and then we

699
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.719
had the Wrangle houses north of there. We actually did more work up in

700
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.559
the wranglehouses, but they were smaller. They were only about twelve stories where

701
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:30.760
the polar grounds were thirty and there
were four of them, all shaped in

702
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:35.840
a tea. You could hear the
howling and the road. Yeah, they

703
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.199
were terrible. First job I worked
up there too. First job I went

704
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:46.800
to was the high rise. Job
was a project job. Uh sans stand

705
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:52.559
Street down in Brooklyn. I had
a funny story about a project job on

706
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:57.639
We were at UM twenty four seventy
five Southern Boulevard and it's it's like a

707
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.639
thirty story building. Read at the
end of Southern. It hits for them

708
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.920
road and uh again, and we
got a good fire somewhere. We're trying

709
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.239
to find it. And so the
guy in truck says to me, he

710
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.239
goes, hey, listen, fires
in this room. So I said,

711
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:13.039
I always wanted as the engine officer, I always want to control the door.

712
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:14.840
I never you know, once they
found a fire, if the door

713
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.519
is closed, As the engine I
want to control of the fire room or

714
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.440
the fire ear itself. And uh. So I says, give me,

715
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.360
give me, give me the door
and you finish your search. So there's

716
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:30.360
two doors side by side and they
open both like this. So I reached

717
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.559
up and I grabbed the wrong knob
so my nozzle man shows up and I

718
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.000
tell him this, since you're ready, you got the room. It's right

719
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.159
here. I opened the door.
So we opened the door. He opens

720
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:43.559
the line and he just douches the
shit out of this room. I said,

721
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.639
shut it down. I get in
the room. I'm looking around like,

722
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:51.719
that's funny. It's not a thing
burned in this room. I'm looking

723
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:59.519
around like right next door, ripping
right here. I go out of that

724
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.639
room. I go to I opened
the door, and it's fucking rolling.

725
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.639
But I had already told the chief
chief I got the fire, I got

726
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.800
waterfire, got the fire knockdown.
I already told him that. So I

727
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.039
opened the next room and it's fucking
run. I'm like, holy shit,

728
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.400
I go, Mike, bring the
line over here. So we knock it

729
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.079
down. But the funny part I
tell the chief. I says, you

730
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.960
know, eight eight to one eight, and I think it was SOFTID goes

731
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.639
go ahead. I go yeah,
I says, we got the fire knocked

732
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:30.639
down, and we got one room
really clean. Who who was the engine

733
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.480
boss? Was it David David Davidson? Who was the guy who passed away

734
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.079
f d n Y. I don't
know if it was Davidson. I can't

735
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.719
remember names anymore. He got killed. He was in the engine boss,

736
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:50.320
I think, Uh, Martin mart
what yeah, Martin Martinson, Martinson.

737
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.519
No, no, Martinson from eighty
engine. He was the fireman in eighty

738
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:57.039
engine Martinson out, yes, Martinson. But he was in an attic,

739
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.239
wasn't he No, No, No, that's a different name. Was a

740
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:06.880
project and al you're right, chief, So just uh it just because I

741
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.400
went to to probi school at him
and when I was in two ninety at

742
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:15.719
the time, the chief knows right, John Martinson, John Martin Martinson,

743
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.639
I said, david'son Martinson. Um, so just make a quick story because

744
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.840
it's kind of to your point.
You know. I took a lot of

745
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.480
pride. You know. We would
turn out fast. The truck would have

746
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.800
to close to close the doors right, so we would have a head start.

747
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.119
And I don't remember where the heck
it was, but it was a

748
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.800
project job. It was on the
tenth floor. At the time. I

749
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.320
could run up the stairs. Literally, I was going to so many freaking

750
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.360
projects I was. It was incredible. I get to the top of the

751
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.920
stairs, I opened up the door
right square. I tell the guys right

752
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.239
here, you know, I close
the door, go in, I'm by

753
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:57.480
myself. I'm four doors down.
I find the apartment instead of saying I

754
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.719
got the apartment. Next thing I
know, I'm in the apartment. I'm

755
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:02.599
doing a search, right, trying
to get the fire. Now. I'm

756
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:06.440
like, yeah, it's four doors
down on the right, you know,

757
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.719
bring the line where all you do? Then the trucks here, and then

758
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:14.239
I'm fighting to on the radio to
get him to bring the line to where

759
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.480
I am, you know what I
mean. So, and then I kind

760
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:20.559
of felt like that's what happened to
him, if I remember the story right,

761
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.519
Like he was kind of buy himself
initially. So I was kind of

762
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.039
like, you know what, I
got to like pump the brakes a little

763
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:29.159
bit because I'm not in the truck, right, I have to make sure

764
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.159
that the line is getting here,
right. I'm kind of doing this for

765
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.960
me, right somewhat. You know, I'm trying to get in there,

766
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.360
just make a grab whatever people,
right, But I'm I'm I'm being a

767
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.400
little bit. I should be.
Really, that's not my job at that

768
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.840
point, you know, so the
priority to make it get light line.

769
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.880
So I kind of I have the
same exact story it's it's hysterical, the

770
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:53.519
same story exactly. I kind of
pumped the brakes a little bit because I

771
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:58.119
had to go back, get the
guys right, bring him back. I

772
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.079
mean, the fire went out,
everything was great. I mean, but

773
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.840
Lou, were you a boss at
the time. I was, Yeah.

774
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.880
So when I got promoted, a
guy said to me, my case,

775
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.400
remember my case, chief, right, He said, don't expect guys at

776
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.159
places you go to operate the way
you did. And you know, like,

777
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:16.320
I'm not saying eighty it was bad. I'm not saying that at all,

778
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.559
because they were great. They were
a great engine company. But we

779
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.440
had My first job was a project
fire. And we go in and I

780
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:29.239
get up and there's three stairways.
First time I'm ever in the building.

781
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.000
I'm in the company a month so
they started hooking up in the a stairway.

782
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.159
I go down, I make a
turn on the hallway. I'm like,

783
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.320
oh, it's the Shining hallway.
Remember the movie you Shining just kept

784
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:42.559
getting longer and longer and longer.
I'm like, holy, two scary kids

785
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.320
at the end. So I get
on a radio and I tell them,

786
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.320
I go listen, you're gonna have
to use forty eight links. It doesn't

787
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.079
even phase me that I'm beyond the
one fifty. And I knew I knew

788
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.679
stampips. But you get into that
mode, you know. So I figured

789
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.960
they're gonna show up at the line. I just tell them use forty eighth

790
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:00.519
linked. I get the apartment doing
the same thing. I'm making my search.

791
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:05.280
I find the fire, the doors
burned through. So the truck shows

792
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.679
up and I tell him, listen, I gotta go find a line.

793
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.840
I don't know where it is.
It's not here yet. And I tell

794
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.840
a guy in a truck, I
said, I get another door and put

795
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:15.960
it over the bedroom. Right.
You ever do that tonight? I'm sure

796
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.239
they did that one out of three. So the guy in a truck comes

797
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.039
back with a mattress. I go, you kidding me? Got to burn

798
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.360
the place down. But I had
to go all the way back. They

799
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:29.360
were waiting to the fire door,
and we came up five feet short,

800
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.320
five feet forty five. Engine walked
right by me and put my fire on.

801
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.679
I was never so embarrassed in my
life. Now. First day woke

802
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:43.119
up to a different different stair Yeah, two doors down from the fire apartment.

803
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.239
Different Yeah, And it just you
know, like I said, knowing

804
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.920
your buildings, you know, keeping
that perspective wide. I'm walking down a

805
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.119
holey and it didn't even phase me. Mother, There's gotta be another stairway

806
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.920
here, it gotta be. It
just didn't even phase me. I said,

807
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.599
you know, use forty eights.
And that's the perfect example of knowing

808
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:02.639
the building in your district. Man, Timmy, why we'll talk about going

809
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.800
to the floor below. We'll get
there were districting out talking about going to

810
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.960
the floor below, find an apartment
ten ja yeah, yeah, you know,

811
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.840
and see the staircase there in the
clear air. Yeah, and then

812
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:21.480
pick the right attacks there. Well, you got to learn something from every

813
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:22.960
fire, yo doing. I mean, that's one of the things I learned.

814
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.280
I mean, like I just you
got focused on getting there and and

815
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.000
I you know, it was one
of those things. And I'm the first

816
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:30.960
one admit that, you know,
I kind of screwed up that day.

817
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.960
Luckily nobody got hurt. You know, the fire went out and the chiefs

818
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.679
didn't even know what happened. Really, yeah, I changed that, you

819
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.239
know, just I could find an
apartment, closed the door, but I

820
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.800
wasn't, you know, four rooms
deep on my engine was, you know,

821
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.559
back here calling for me. And
then there's now there's chat on the

822
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.000
radio. Like you said, the
truck's coming down. Everybody's banging it to

823
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.079
each other. You know, it's
just mayhem. Yeah, that's not my

824
00:58:54.119 --> 00:59:02.639
position, you know what I mean? So it is, it is,

825
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:19.760
It is. Sorry. This guy
he's waiting for he's got his finger waiting

826
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:23.280
for you to do it. Right
there. When you came to booth,

827
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:29.320
you were talking about some kind of
controversial theories going back and form with the

828
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.840
line. What what was that?
Do we coming up the stairs or going

829
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:38.039
down the stairs or something to flick
out again? Difference of opinion. Uh,

830
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:45.280
you know when your short staff,
the temptation is you flick the line

831
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:52.000
up the fire floor stair and back
down again, and you'll get away with

832
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:57.400
it ninety nine times out of a
hundred. Again. Uh, it's easier

833
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.880
on the guys because once that line
is filled with war, gravity helps pull

834
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:07.239
it down the stairs as they advance. I'm in that one percent category again.

835
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:12.639
When that fire comes out into that
staircase and burns through the hose line,

836
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:20.840
you're in deep ship. To me, it's work, But I have

837
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.880
a place to retreat to and I'm
not going to lose my hostline when things

838
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.159
go bad. And again I've seen
it go bad, and you don't want

839
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:36.000
to do that. So guys will. Guys will go ahead and take it

840
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.079
up the stairs and back down.
Everything has to work perfectly for that to

841
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:46.199
go. As long as somebody is
controlling the staircase door, you're good.

842
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:52.960
But what happens when we start advancing
out of that hallway The door's blocked open,

843
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:58.199
It's blocked wide open most of the
time, and now it gets bad

844
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:02.320
in that hall where's it venting?
It's venting up the staircase right past your

845
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:08.119
hose line. Makes sense. That's
just my two cents. Wasn't that in

846
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:13.239
the bookstot Chief? Well, they
they did put that. That is in

847
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.400
the books, Yes it is.
It is in the new Engine Manual,

848
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.880
part of that new Some of some
of it. I agreed with, some

849
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:22.960
of it. I didn't. Um. I'm not totally against flaking up the

850
01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.199
stairs, but I think when you
do that, I think the engine officers

851
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.199
got to really become that engine officer, uh, maintaining control of the door.

852
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:35.840
Now, if the truck is out
in that public haway and if they're

853
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.480
doing their jobs, they should be
um. You know, you've got to

854
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:43.239
You've got to have the discipline to
you know, if if that line's not

855
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.239
charged yet and they're out in that
public hahway, you've got to you've got

856
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:51.880
to kind of maintain the integrity the
integrity that door, because you do risk

857
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.440
you know, that fire venting out
or very very just a heat coming out.

858
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.119
But you know, once you get
water and you have the ability to

859
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:00.000
flow some water, I think a
lot of that, a lot of that

860
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:05.679
danger of burning the burn through decreases. But I think that you know,

861
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:12.519
it does help in that an initial
push around the corner. But I think

862
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.639
that we've got to be able to
determine, Okay, what's the extent of

863
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.760
that push. If it's a it's
a thirty or forty foot push down that

864
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:22.559
hallway, do you know what I
mean? Maybe I want a slower approach

865
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:24.280
to that. If the fire's out
in that public hallway and it's that bad,

866
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.599
that's a key thing, you know, if they think that the engine

867
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.960
officer really has got to take control
of that situation and decide, hey,

868
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.519
listen, you know what, it's
too bad in the public hallway. We

869
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.199
ain't flaking out upstairs, we're gonna
do it down. It might slow us

870
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.519
down, but you know what,
right now, I want him more slow

871
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:45.199
and methodical approach, simply because the
condition of the always such. If I

872
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.320
open it and it's bad in the
hallway but not horrible, I might tell

873
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:50.519
him, hey, get that up
there real quick. I'll make sure.

874
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.360
And especially if a guy goes up
there to do that, you've got to

875
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:57.000
keep that door closed because fuck the
line, you're gonna burn the guy.

876
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.400
Yeah, you know, so if
the guy's up there flaking out that line,

877
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:00.960
I don't agree would turn in the
corner if it's if it's a return

878
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.880
stare, I don't agree with that. I don't know if I like that

879
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.800
either. You know, put it
up and you know, use the landing,

880
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.159
but you know, make sure that
there's no there's no friction point up

881
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.440
there. So once you do go, that's gonna run right down those stairs.

882
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.440
But the bottom line goes to me, you gotta be the engine officer.

883
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.360
You gotta be a smart engine officer
who looks out into that public call.

884
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:25.880
We don't do this as a matter
of policy. This is this is

885
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.880
the way we do this every time. No, there're gonna be time when

886
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:35.079
you open that door to that public
call and it's charged to the floor,

887
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.679
you might want to think twice about
going up that stair well. There's a

888
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.800
there's a big difference between pride and
practical. I mean, listen, every

889
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:45.559
engine company, you know that the
goal of a good engine company is how

890
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:46.360
we stretch os, will put out
fires. That's it. You know,

891
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.440
if they say they're a good engine, it's not because there's a much of

892
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.519
good guys. It's because they're good
in the fire floor. But sometimes,

893
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.280
you know, you got to look
at practical, you know, as that

894
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:58.800
engine and you know that's when you
earn your money as the boss. You

895
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:01.280
know, like those times I'm along
for the frigging ride, do you know

896
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.719
what I mean? The guys know
what they do and I'm just along for

897
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.800
the ride. But I get one
of those standpipe fires that you know,

898
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:11.440
it's in the public hallway. It's
decision time now and you have to be

899
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.639
the boss. And you know it
might be unpopular. Hey listen, I

900
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:15.840
don't want I'm not flaking out.
It might be a little bit more work,

901
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.400
but that's why they give us an
extra guy, do you know what

902
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:23.119
I mean? To do that?
But I don't. I'm not comfortable with

903
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:28.320
flaking out above. I'm not against
doing it, but if I'm not comfortable

904
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:30.679
with it, I'll tell him not
to do it. If I'm comfortable with

905
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.880
it, go ahead, knock yourself
out, bro, you know. Any

906
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:35.800
you know the other thing, the
big thing. A lot of people realize

907
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:40.840
about the um and Lou you'd said
something that was that's extremely important, and

908
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.360
you said it's so casually like,
and you know, four doors down,

909
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.519
fires four doors down. And I
always counted doorways if the if the hallway

910
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:53.239
was back, and it's it's a
tidbit that most people don't take away from

911
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.480
standpipes. It's like, you know, you're not doing it in a tenement,

912
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.000
you're not doing in the private house, but you get into a like,

913
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:01.880
you know, a standpipe building.
I always counted doorways. And one

914
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.519
of the big reasons is, especially
if I was in the truck, was

915
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:11.679
the stairway door opened the same direction
as an apartment door inward. So if

916
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.519
I didn't know how far that door
away, you know, if I was

917
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.400
four doors away from the stairway door, I might think it's an apartment door

918
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.400
and just go out right, you
know, And and The other thing is

919
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:23.360
about when it's in the public hallway, is you know, what are you

920
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:25.880
looking for? I tell guys,
when you go out in that public hallway,

921
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.840
what are you looking for? Everybody
says, well, I'm looking for

922
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:30.719
the hot door. I go,
no, every door is gonna be hot.

923
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.079
Bro, You're looking for the open
door. You know, there's only

924
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.440
gonna be one door open, and
it's gonna be where the fire is,

925
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:39.800
you know. And then I always
say, so you go down in the

926
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.199
hall and you find an outward opening
door, what do you do with that?

927
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:48.800
I tell you, Well, the
fire services you got two in the

928
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:54.239
last ten years, Cincinnati, Ohio
and Chicago, Illinois, where guys went

929
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:58.320
down shafts they thought it was an
apartment, you know. So you know,

930
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:02.599
there's a lot of dynamics to to
the standpipe buildings removed from the standpipe

931
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:08.960
itself when you talk about fire operations. We were just we just went to

932
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:14.440
uh last week to ninety one O
three had a like a get together,

933
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:19.880
you know, and Uh I never
heard of him. Yeah, So across

934
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:24.320
all the stories are rolling right and
coves. It's mondaying, all right,

935
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.960
and he comes up to me and
we're talking about something. You know,

936
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.280
I've had so many jobs with him, and he's like, hey, Rough,

937
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.039
you remember that job. I remember. It was so clear. As

938
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:32.880
soon as he said it to me. I get to the top of the

939
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:36.159
stairs at start. I opened the
door. It's black, right, And

940
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:40.679
I looked down to my ride a
little bit and I see the fire out,

941
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.880
you know, into the hall.
So I'm like, it's right here,

942
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.239
we got we got there, you
know, I can't see what it

943
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:48.199
is. Right. It turns out
they knock it down. We get in,

944
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.960
they knock it down. We start
going in and it was like the

945
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:57.280
uh the trash. Shoot. Yeah, but it was like, you know

946
01:06:57.280 --> 01:06:59.800
what the room. Their rooms are
pretty big, you know what I mean,

947
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:01.360
but they had stuff like three mattresses
in there, so it was like

948
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:04.840
just straight black. Yeah, right, it was black and black. But

949
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.480
Monday always does this. He's like, he's like, Rough, I was

950
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.360
like a mind. He was like
like running into the walls, you know

951
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.199
what I mean, because it was
only like what the But it was just

952
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:21.239
so funny. Do you guys want
to chat a little bit about charge stairwells

953
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:24.719
and some of the complications with that. You weren't with any of that kind

954
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:30.519
of stuff. Some somebody evacuating leaves
the doorway open and charged the stairwell you're

955
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:31.920
in. I mean, I know
it's complicated. I mean we've had it.

956
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:38.519
That was the attacks stare. I
mean compared to when I first got

957
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.920
on to when I got out right
the attack stare and uh, the evacuation

958
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:46.280
stead that really became like there was
no screwing around with that really. You

959
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:51.000
know, at a job, I
remember guys getting pointed out if they if

960
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.440
they were in the evacuation stare,
you know what I mean. Well,

961
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.679
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure you don't
quote me on it, but um,

962
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:03.440
it used to be where the truck
officer decided which was the attack, and

963
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:10.119
that's since been changed and now the
engine officer decides the attack stairway after he

964
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.800
talks to the truck officer, right, it used to be that was one

965
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:15.680
of the changes in the in the
new engine man or that the engine officer

966
01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:19.439
now decides the attack stairway. We
used to chief, you remember when I

967
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:23.720
first got on, we were having
the paint fires in the stairs all right,

968
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:28.760
and um, you know those things
were I don't know if you had

969
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.920
one at you know, but we
had one up by By seventy six engine,

970
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.399
and there was a guy ten floors
above the fire, dead in the

971
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:40.560
stairway, still small like this.
Cigarettes that's how fast it came on him,

972
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.560
right, wow, yeah, yeah, crazy crazy. And that's when

973
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.239
when you see that, you think, Okay, now I realized why they

974
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:50.600
want that, you know, evacuation
stairway. You know, at the very

975
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.800
least. I mean, you've got
to have one way for not just the

976
01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.359
people to get down, how about
us getting up above to get this somebody.

977
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.640
You've got to have one that you
know was gonna stay unaffected. You

978
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:09.680
know, a lot of people a
confused because they guy asked me one time,

979
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.079
he goes, how do you control
all the doorways into the evacuation stairway?

980
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.199
I go, I only got to
control one, right, just one.

981
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:17.079
He goes, what do you mean? I go, I'm just worried

982
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:20.399
about the firefloor. Everything else I
don't care about. Just keep the one

983
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:24.199
door closed. And then he goes, well, why hasn't anybody ever told

984
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.319
me that? I go, I
don't know why they haven't. Just one

985
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:30.000
door. That's why I gotta worry
about. In Chicago, they had a

986
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:38.439
fatal fire. Civilians up above the
fire and somebody opened the door to the

987
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:42.079
attacks there to get the line in
there, even though there were people coming

988
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:46.199
down and they died in that staircase. You know, when we open that

989
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:50.960
door, we're not doing good things
for that staircase. So you gotta make

990
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:57.000
sure you keep keep it closed until
you get that clearers civilians. Anyway,

991
01:09:57.159 --> 01:09:59.760
we look at the Twain Parts,
how many they find the stair way there?

992
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.880
Yeah, yeah, most of them
wearing stairways. I was just gonna

993
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.199
bring that up. Yep. Yeah, we stayed in their apartments. They're

994
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:11.439
better off all the time. But
you know, they don't understand fire behavior.

995
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:14.720
They get out into that staircase,
want to get down and if we

996
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.720
don't keep the door closed. But
I believe in that case the door was

997
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:28.960
already blocked open prior to fire department
arrival on the fire Twin Parts. Yeah,

998
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.880
yeah, So what are some of
the other what are some of the

999
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:35.920
other dangers in these fires? I
know, like, uh, you know,

1000
01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:39.960
all the cable wires and everything in
the ceilings come down, and so

1001
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.279
what are some of the other ones
that we can share with these guys.

1002
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.800
Well, so from an engine standpoint, like you know, um, I

1003
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:53.239
never relied on a truck to chuck
any door for me, you know,

1004
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:56.359
I you know, people to say
the truck will get it. I never

1005
01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:58.720
relied on that. But you know, if we're gonna be able to stretch

1006
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:01.640
out in the public hallway drop and
you know, one of the new procedures

1007
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:06.199
is bringing a roll up in the
folded position into the public hall into the

1008
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:11.760
public hallway if if it's tenable,
and I personally I don't agree with it.

1009
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.039
I think that if if we went
back, I mean again I asked

1010
01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:18.399
the question why. But one of
the things is if if that door is

1011
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:23.960
in chart leading from the stairway to
the public hallway and it closes on a

1012
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:29.720
dry line that's subsequently charged, you
know, there is it's almost impossible to

1013
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:34.279
free that doorway and and everything.
What's so bad about that? What's bad

1014
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:38.840
about that is everybody on the other
side of that door is trapped on the

1015
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:42.319
fire side of the doorway, whether
it's in the hallway or not, is

1016
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:46.000
in water. They're on the fireside
with no water and no way to get

1017
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:51.359
water because it because if it's charged, it's pressure locked from the outlet to

1018
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.159
the doorway, and there's no way
to bleed that off. There's no bleeder

1019
01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:59.159
valve at the gate. The only
way to do it is to bleed it

1020
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.640
the rig. That means you're going
to beleeve the system, it's almost impossible.

1021
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:08.399
And not shutting down the buildings,
gravity tank or firepump, it's almost

1022
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.880
impossible. So chock if you're in
the engine and you're stretching, and that's

1023
01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:16.119
any fire, but even especially these, you know, because there's a couple

1024
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.720
of doorways the floor below doorway in
the stairway and the and the floor you're

1025
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:24.279
operating on, you know, if
either of those doors close, you might

1026
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.960
be in trouble. So you know, don't ever rely on anybody else.

1027
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.680
And that's why you know eighty eight
had three or four chocks in the standpipe

1028
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.840
bag also just for that reason,
to make sure that those doors were chocked

1029
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.119
open. And you know, there's
no reason that if you're going to use

1030
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:41.920
that if that's the fires attack stairway, that door can be chopped over.

1031
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.439
Don't let him me tell you.
Once that line goes through there, that

1032
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:47.159
door can't be chocked open. It
can be chocked open, and it should

1033
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.720
be. You know, that's a
big, big time hazard for as as

1034
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:56.439
looking at the engine standpoint pump.
What about as far as the truck chief

1035
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:00.239
you have, oh for the truck, I mean just being out in the

1036
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.840
hole is the danger, you know, ahead of the hose line. Again,

1037
01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:08.319
you've got to make a real conscious
judgment. Am I going to be

1038
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:12.520
able to get to that apartment door
and get it closed before the fire gets

1039
01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.720
out? In that hallway? So
you're part of that fire area, then

1040
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.239
yeah, I think that boss needs
to talk to the ov too and find

1041
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:26.119
out what the wind's doing in the
floor above. Make sure nobody's taking windows,

1042
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.520
nobody's venting the bulkhead behind you,
because if they vent that attack,

1043
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.359
stay in bulkhead. Now you just
created that chimney there. Again, the

1044
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:39.680
fire doesn't know about not breaking the
windows. You know why it doesn't deal

1045
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:44.960
that wants to do so. Basically, that hallway because part of the fire

1046
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.680
floor. It's the fire same as
the fire area of the fire apartment.

1047
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:50.920
Yeah, if it's in the hallway, we charge in the stairway, I

1048
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:54.439
mean, because you can consider it
part of the fire area. Right,

1049
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.279
But if you turn into the fire
area like that, even if it's not

1050
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:00.640
when you're first get in the hole, Yeah, and it's you know,

1051
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:09.399
the Park Avenue fire. I mean, all these wind driven fires they go

1052
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:15.479
like that. The Park Avenue fire, it's almost like the guy you were

1053
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:21.319
talking about in the stairwell tim Park
Avenue where Mickey Conboy went over the edge.

1054
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:27.600
He yeah, you guys were there. Sixty nine was part of that.

1055
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:32.920
But the guy in the fire apartment
was in a wheelchair and he went

1056
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.800
out into the public hall. His
door. Because he's in a wheelchair,

1057
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:42.560
he disabled the self closing device,
which we see that a lot in old

1058
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.800
age homes and stuff like that.
They don't want that door hitting him in

1059
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:48.640
the ass as they're trying to get
out with their walker or or whatever,

1060
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:54.720
so those self closing devices are disabled. Now he's out there in the hall

1061
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:59.039
banging on doors. Fire, fire, fire. He bangs on the door

1062
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:03.319
of an apartment and that's one hundred
feet down the hall on the opposite side

1063
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:08.279
of the hall. The woman opens
the door to see what's going on.

1064
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:13.439
Her windows were already open, and
the fire blew that hundred feet down the

1065
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:17.279
hallway and killed both of them.
Yeah, her body falls in front of

1066
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:24.039
the door and blocks the door open. Now, and it was another one

1067
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:30.640
of those horrible wind driven fires that
we just it changed like that unable.

1068
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:35.039
Yeah, so Gonzo, we had
I sent you those pictures of the flaking

1069
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:39.640
out if you want to talk about
that now. Yeah, so you have

1070
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:42.239
another one. You have that one
showed the other one where the line doesn't

1071
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:46.880
go past that one. Okay,
So I always look at the two like

1072
01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:51.039
when when I'm flaking out my line. Um. I always used to tell

1073
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:54.800
the guy in the Guys in eighty
eight, Like you know, I was

1074
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.880
never against when we when we could
get into the public hallway we had control

1075
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.720
of the fire apartment door. Or
I didn't like when they stretched go back

1076
01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:04.760
to the other one when they stretched
beyond the apartment. Now the other one,

1077
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:09.439
that one when they stretched beyond the
apartment like that and came back.

1078
01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:13.760
Because I was always in the belief
that if if it got real bad in

1079
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.800
that apartment, and we were going
to follow that line, when we left

1080
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:19.640
the apartment, we were heading away
from our exit, and then we would

1081
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:24.119
have to cross in front of that
open door again. And I always tell

1082
01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:27.479
guys, I'm not against putting a
big loop in to make that initial push

1083
01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:30.560
into that apartment to get to the
break point of the apartment, but anything

1084
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:35.399
more than a length down the hallway
past the apartment. Again, you're rolling

1085
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:39.199
the dice. If something goes wrong
when you leave the apartment, follow that

1086
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:42.880
line, you're gonna be heading away
from from the fire, from your exit

1087
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.640
itself. So if we can,
we try to flake out our XS hose

1088
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:49.760
when we can get into that public
hallway on our exit side of that doorway,

1089
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:54.000
if we can, with the exception
of that ten ft fifteen foot loop

1090
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.159
to get make that initial push into
the apartment. And I think that's important

1091
01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:00.800
when when you talk about our operations
of flat line out and getting to knee

1092
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.439
apart, I would say that's how
I've seen it most of the time,

1093
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:06.560
exactly that right there. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don't like that.

1094
01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:10.319
And you know eighty eight didn't do
that. We never really would beyond

1095
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:15.000
the fire apartment itself. Um only
because if we if we got chased out,

1096
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:17.039
being proactive in my thinking, you
know, we're gonna make the turn

1097
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:20.720
and head directly for my exit and
not go away from it. You know,

1098
01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:24.680
to think it was the at least
by us, is just to have

1099
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:28.399
that hose right in front of the
doorways to adsmidiable pinch points, you can

1100
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.640
advance a little bit easier, you
know. Yeah, I'm not against making

1101
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:33.000
a big, big loop, you
know, like a ten foot loop to

1102
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:39.000
like I said, make that initial
bush. But if you went farther down

1103
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.920
that hall, which a lot of
companies do, and which if if we

1104
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.199
do it the under the new system
of bringing the roll up there, you're

1105
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:49.199
forced to almost flake away from your
exit. I just don't think it's a

1106
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:55.199
safe practice. You can take that
down if you want to copy that,

1107
01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:58.600
you know, it's you know,
and again we had said, you know,

1108
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:00.720
doing it by the numbers, and
when it comes to standpipes, I

1109
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:04.039
was that I I you know,
like, because so much can go wrong,

1110
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:08.920
and they go bad in a hurry, and it's very hard to turn

1111
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.479
that corner and go back. So, you know, the little things mattered,

1112
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.479
you know, at every fire,
but those in you know, the

1113
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:18.680
little things matter because it's never one
big thing that causes a problem. It's

1114
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:23.359
a it's a multitude of a bunch
of little things very wrong. Yeah,

1115
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:26.479
you know, And then screw you. If you're not going to react to

1116
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:29.319
these problems, I'm going to punch
in the face. And then we're you

1117
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:30.880
know, we're standing in attention,
all right, talking to my guy all

1118
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.840
wrong. I know what movie that
you know, a movie that is one

1119
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:44.159
of my favorite movies. Joe is
that's Joe Yeah man talking to a brandy

1120
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:50.560
Brandy from Joe Dirt Brandy. Yeah, the wrong, wrong in the face

1121
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:56.079
for the sturing pictures. And we
could talk about actually I do. I

1122
01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.680
didn't want to touch on something if
you didn't mind, was the your thoughts

1123
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.039
because I know we have some conversations
on not relying on the FTC or even

1124
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:08.479
the riser, what's the how's ftny? Or some other areas. Are you

1125
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.960
into portable stampipes? Do you guys
do any of those kind of things.

1126
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.640
It's a little bit of a conversation
point. I do have another picture I

1127
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:15.960
wanted to ask about too. What
is that? I don't even know what

1128
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:18.600
that means? Can you know,
my chief? You don't mind if I

1129
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:25.600
because after the Deutsche Bank fire,
you know, I was perplexed and I'm

1130
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.520
like, you know, what took
them so long? I know the stampipe

1131
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:30.399
was out there, but what took
them so long to get water to the

1132
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.199
seventeenth floor? I mean like,
so I said, you know what,

1133
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.800
we had a building on a seven
thirty five garden. Chief, you know

1134
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.119
where I'm talking about. They've had
a couple of real good fires here.

1135
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:42.760
It's just it's like an eighteen nineteen
story building. I said, you know

1136
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:44.600
what, let me go to that
building. I'll go to the roof and

1137
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:46.680
see if I can build a portable
standpipe. Because to me, it was

1138
01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:49.359
like, this is easy. How
could you not be able to do this?

1139
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:56.199
So, you know, I figured
out the firehouse and there's no way

1140
01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.840
we're gonna drop a rope and raise
it because it's just too high to pull.

1141
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:02.079
So we brought all our rollups,
made the connections, and we were

1142
01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:05.319
lowered it down off the roof.
I'm like, I'm like, this is

1143
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:11.439
like a bunt. I got about
halfway down and the wind took control of

1144
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.000
my line and I didn't I didn't
plan on that, and I broke like

1145
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:20.159
four windows and a fully occupied watch. I'm streaming at the guy drop dropped

1146
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:24.720
the roll ups. So we throw
three rollops off a seventeen story building.

1147
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.359
So I go back to the firehouse. I'm like, holy shit, I

1148
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:30.960
can't believe we failed at this.
So I worked it out. We went

1149
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:35.039
back on the next mud and we
took the search rope, tied it to

1150
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:39.640
the first coupling, throw the search
through through the search rope over the roof.

1151
01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:42.960
The chauffeur was able to grab it
and he was able to guide that

1152
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.800
first coupling the first butt down.
Oh, I understand what you're saying,

1153
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:47.680
now, okay, And then he
had already stretched the line with the Siamese

1154
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:53.760
so we could augment. So it's
going like clockwork. So then we were

1155
01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:55.800
going to tie it off. We
tied it off in two places, at

1156
01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:00.399
the top and at the midpoint,
so we secured both of them before charged

1157
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:04.520
to the roof to the anchor points. Once we charged it, it relaxed

1158
01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:10.000
at the midpoint and kinked and we
couldn't pull it out, so I failed

1159
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:15.600
my second attempt. We finally got
it right. What we did was we

1160
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:18.000
tied the top one, secured the
middle, but we didn't tied it off.

1161
01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:21.279
When the kink formed, we lowered
the kink out of it and then

1162
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:26.560
tied it off, and then we
finally got water. But there's no there's

1163
01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:29.520
really it's in the new Engine manual
how to do it, but there's no

1164
01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:34.239
real written thing on how to do
it. Back in the thirties they used

1165
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:43.199
to drill on supplying the Empire State
Building. And the plan was you'd take

1166
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:48.600
a length every three or four floors
and drop it to a guy at the

1167
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:57.640
window below you. Three floors below
you, they'd take their coupling and inside.

1168
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:01.039
The idea was the coupling would always
be inside the building, behind a

1169
01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:05.880
wall or a window mullion, so
that the weight was off of the couplings.

1170
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:10.880
And they went up the entire height
of the building. Holy shit,

1171
01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:17.479
Yeah, because why because shit happened, Something's gonna happen. We're gonna need

1172
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:20.560
to do it. I'm understand that
you go in the one window, come

1173
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.439
out another, go in one wind, don't come out another. Yeah,

1174
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.720
just dropped down and it was like
a z up and fast. Time I

1175
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.800
ever heard that. Yeah, I
remember seeing that. We would want to

1176
01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:32.199
be the guy only at the top
reaching out to grab that thing. He

1177
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:38.239
probably got that job. We did
that. And what was the thing that

1178
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.520
just went by the window? What
the hell was that? We dropped the

1179
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:43.920
line? I think we're on the
ninth floor. We dropped a line.

1180
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:47.560
It had plexiglass, heavy plexiglass,
I remember, and they ended up cutting

1181
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:54.159
with the saw and we dropped the
line and tied tried the host to it

1182
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.000
and we pulled it up and they
hooked it to the stampipe somewhere, and

1183
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.239
it turned out that there was a
valve that was shot somewhere. They were

1184
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.960
working on the system or something.
Somebody forgot to open the valve and there

1185
01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:06.640
was It wasn't much fire. I
do remember that I was. I was

1186
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:11.119
a fireman in one seventeen, so
that's way back. It was on Roosevelt

1187
01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:15.800
Island. It was I have a
video of that, do you really?

1188
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:19.439
I do? Yeah, I didn't
send it to you. I wish I

1189
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:24.920
had known. Yeah, but they
actually I think they lowered their their lengths

1190
01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:29.880
down and the chauffeur had stretched over
to how many floors was it? Do

1191
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:32.359
you remember? I believe it's on
the ninth or tenth floor. I think

1192
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:39.520
because the aerial reached Wow. You
know, like that's funny because you talk

1193
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:42.560
about again, like I said,
doing it by the numbers. I had.

1194
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:47.800
I had a run over on Clinton
Avenue twenty seventy Clinton, Um and

1195
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:53.000
it was it was an elderly housing
place that was about fifteen stories and it

1196
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:55.039
was a food and a turnout be
a food in a stove, you know,

1197
01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:58.680
and but eighty eight was very good
at going out and going doing it

1198
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:00.279
by the numbers. Whether it was
food, whether it was an older gas.

1199
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:03.479
We always went up. We always
led the system. We're always ready

1200
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.840
to hook up. And so you
know, I got up. I said,

1201
01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:10.119
hey, guys, it's food,
don't worry about it. And they

1202
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:12.760
said, oh, we're just gonna
check the system. You know, we're

1203
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:15.520
just gonna go through it because we
had a probe, so the proby wanted

1204
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.119
to go through it. And so
they go to hook up and we don't

1205
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.840
get a drop of water out of
this system, not a drop. And

1206
01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:24.880
I'm like, what he goes at
there's no water. I go, okay,

1207
01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.079
drop down to the floor below.
Maybe that valve's broken, and see

1208
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:30.840
if you get water. No water
on the floor below. So I said,

1209
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:32.680
okay, let's go to the first
floor and we'll try to hook up

1210
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:36.479
on the first floor in that stoy. No water there. So we go

1211
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:41.119
into basement and sure enough there's an
o US and Y valve closed and the

1212
01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:44.359
risers shut down, and you know, everybody says, wow, that was

1213
01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:46.920
great. But if that had been
a you know, if we hadn't done

1214
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:53.000
that, if we hadn't gone by
the numbers. And you know, if

1215
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.119
it was you know, done what
you'd done if it was a real fire,

1216
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:58.239
like checking the outlet, hooking up, bleeding it off. Just because

1217
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:00.319
it was a food, we never
wouldn't know own that, you know what

1218
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:02.920
I mean. And I said that
a kid, I go, you know

1219
01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:06.399
what, Kudos to you because you
you went through and you did it.

1220
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:11.119
Even though I said it was food, you still went through it and try

1221
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:13.720
to bleed that line off. Good
for you. And we we were in

1222
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.079
the right of summons and they got
it fixed. And and but if we

1223
01:25:16.159 --> 01:25:19.079
had a fire in that building,
you know, you would have been reading

1224
01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:24.239
on a nightly news. So do
it by the numbers every time, whether

1225
01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:27.479
it's a food and a stove,
whether it's a gas leak, whether whatever

1226
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:29.920
it is, you know, do
it by the number. It's a great

1227
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:33.600
way to check those systems. Those
all create training opportunities. Every time you're

1228
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:38.760
out at a firehouse. It's an
opportunity to train on something that you are

1229
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:43.319
going to deal with at some point
in the future. Yeah, like subsellers,

1230
01:25:44.079 --> 01:26:03.279
so that in common that, Yeah, we're having a little trouble down,

1231
01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:06.720
you know, three floors down,
Yeah, sub subseller, don't check

1232
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:11.840
it out for me. All right, all right, you ever read about

1233
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:16.399
the Times tower fire. No,
yeah, it's another it's a w n

1234
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:20.520
y. Jeff Jonas have a newsletter
on that. Oh man, I think

1235
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:24.119
he might have. Yes, I
do believe he does. But you know,

1236
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:30.880
uh they had. It was three
subsellers down and two firefighters that were

1237
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:38.319
killed were killed up on the nineteenth
or twentieth floor. Somebody told me about

1238
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:44.520
this job. Yeah yeah, right. Was it CEO or something that killed

1239
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:47.199
those guys? Oh yeah, yeah, you know up upper floors. You're

1240
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:50.399
just talking about that. I don't
somehow, I just remember that somebody talking

1241
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:55.319
about that story. I don't remember
that. I mean it's a classic case

1242
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:59.439
study, you know three I mean
maybe talking about a hand stretch. I

1243
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:05.399
mean it was like eight lengths below
grade. Holy should through a paint paint

1244
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:11.479
fire. You know, a paint
room is tough, tough fire. Oh

1245
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:15.600
oh lord, I love So what
did you think of a two inch lead

1246
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:21.800
length? Uh? I actually we
didn't have that. I wasn't I was

1247
01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:26.560
in the squatter any yore ye Again, like I said, I my question

1248
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:30.399
was why we did that? Well, nobody, you know, it was

1249
01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:35.039
always because it was easier that's all. You know. Well again, I

1250
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:38.720
hate to, you know, keep
going back to the one fire, but

1251
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:45.159
you know Van Tellia Avenue two ninety
three quarter stretched one incient three quarter length

1252
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:50.279
as a lead length. We went
back a week afterwards, and I have

1253
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:58.479
a picture of the flow testing,
uh nineteen a nineteen eighty Let me find

1254
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.479
that one for you. Nineteen.
We went back a week afterwards at five

1255
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:06.560
o'clock in the morning the same day
of the week to reenact the fire.

1256
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.920
And that you know, when you
put an inchantree quarter line on the end

1257
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.880
an inchantree quarter nozzle on the end
of a two and a half inch nozzle,

1258
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:20.000
what do you got? You got
an inchantre quarters right life. You

1259
01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:26.520
know that the two and a half
the two eighty three stretched, we duplicated

1260
01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:30.800
it also flowed them both the same
exact time. The two and a half

1261
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:34.720
had two hundred and ninety gallons a
minute out of the two and a half.

1262
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:40.279
That's how much pressure of the year
they were pumping it at and the

1263
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:45.399
inchantree quarter was about one hundred and
fifty, so you got almost double the

1264
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.840
water out of that two and a
half. And yeah, it's work,

1265
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:53.720
I get it. But man,
water. So I don't know if I

1266
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:58.079
said it earlier. We're sacrificing,
you know, with the two with the

1267
01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:02.640
two inch lead length with the one
inch tip or flowing about two twenty And

1268
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:05.319
with the with the two and a
half with the inch and an eighth tip,

1269
01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:10.319
we were two sixty five. That's
the target flow. We're probably flowing

1270
01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:15.720
more than that, but that's the
package. That was the mobility and the

1271
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:19.079
guys there was the thing we're saying. But we over pumped the two and

1272
01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:23.439
a half anyway. We always did
for some reason. The seventy eighty numbers

1273
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:26.920
were always too much. The friction
losses were too much. You know,

1274
01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.800
if you if you pumped it right
and went back to the two fifty,

1275
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:31.800
you get a little more mobility with
the two and a half, and really

1276
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:34.560
you're looking to get to the break
point. That's what you're looking to get

1277
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:42.119
to. And so we sacrificed forty
five gallons permitted to flow for an eleven

1278
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:47.680
eleven pounds of Nazzo reaction difference.
So you're talking a gallon a half the

1279
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:54.239
weight of a gallon a half of
water difference of Nazzo reaction. We're sacrificing

1280
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:58.720
forty five gallons a minute, and
I just didn't you know, my question

1281
01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:00.920
was the why, you know,
why are we why are we sacrificed?

1282
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:04.840
Because we remember, like we started
this this you know, the original NFPA

1283
01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:10.439
fourteen sixty five. Uh, you
know, the system was built for the

1284
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:13.960
host of what we can put out. You know when they design us,

1285
01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:15.800
when that first came out. You
know what's the attack package. You're going

1286
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.079
to build a system to supply that
package. And for some reason we want

1287
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:23.720
to change that package. Now,
well you can change the package, you've

1288
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.399
got to be prepared to change the
pressures. Yeah, and we don't always

1289
01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:30.960
have control over that. No,
that's part of the issue, you know.

1290
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:35.119
Ninety Again, we're back to the
same question, Tim ninety nine percent

1291
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:39.560
at a time, you're gonna get
away with it in a residential fire,

1292
01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:46.039
you know, one or two bedrooms, Yeah, that inch and three quarter

1293
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:50.760
or it's going to get it with
them. You know, it's listen.

1294
01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:57.239
Here's the bottom line is when wind
is playing a role on the fire is

1295
01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:00.960
when you want the two guns.
It's as simple as that. I can

1296
01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.560
have half the flat burning in a
in a project building in the two and

1297
01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:09.680
a half way if the windows hold. I'm putting that fire out of the

1298
01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:13.079
time, you know. But if
I have a window that fails and the

1299
01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.760
wind starts playing playing games with me, you know, I'm not I don't

1300
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:18.960
want to sacrifice forty five gallons a
minute the flow. I just don't want

1301
01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:30.520
to chief. What's your experience with
the curtain? I love the curtain curtain?

1302
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:36.560
What's that? No attention to the
man behind the curtain. Uh?

1303
01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:43.079
You know we've had guys saved by
it. I mean when we first did

1304
01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:47.720
the testing with it, we bought
a hundred engine companies from all over the

1305
01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:53.880
city to the rock, put a
wind driven fire in that hallway and said,

1306
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:57.119
okay, who wants to go down
that hall And now I wanted them

1307
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:03.000
wanted to go down that hallway.
Okay, watch this home, And I

1308
01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:08.560
said, okay, watch this and
drop the curtain. And it's like somebody

1309
01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:12.199
turns to switch you off to the
fire. Really, that's how fast it

1310
01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:16.039
is, Timmy, were you at
the Governor's Island tests. I tried to

1311
01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:19.920
get out there, but there was
a very close shop. Okay, okay,

1312
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:23.399
yeah, I would have gone.
I didn't want to get paid.

1313
01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:29.840
I just wanted to go out there. And watch. Yeah, us guys

1314
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:32.319
able to get it into position to
quick chief. How's how is that work?

1315
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:39.399
It can be done? Now,
that's the Chao curtains. So every

1316
01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:44.439
truck has that. It's a you
know, a one window blanket. The

1317
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:47.680
squads and the rescues carried the bigger
version, the Love and Bye ten by

1318
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:58.039
twelve version. The divisions carried them. You gotta have people dedicated to that

1319
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:00.399
mission. I mean, it's not
the first two engine is going to do

1320
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:05.439
that. You know, that's the
third or the fourth new engine or the

1321
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:09.920
rescue or the squad. And when
I was in sock, you know,

1322
01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:15.600
guys, I laid the policy out. If you go to a high rise,

1323
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:18.239
MD, you bring it to the
command post and guys, well,

1324
01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:21.520
I don't want to use it.
I get me out onto the firefloor.

1325
01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:27.960
I'll put it out. No,
that's the most crucial thing you can do.

1326
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:30.840
If you got fire out in that
hall, you dropped that blanket,

1327
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:39.800
and it's like turning the fire off. So it's back to a routine apartment.

1328
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.640
What's that the fireman's turn that shit
off? Fireman turned it off.

1329
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:49.159
Absolutely. How about the college stick, I mean the floor blown college stick?

1330
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:55.640
Yeah, is it something that we
use it every fire. No,

1331
01:33:56.039 --> 01:34:00.520
no, is it something that you've
been beating your brains out. I mean

1332
01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:08.840
back to these fires. I mean
the Lionel Hampton apartment fire. We put

1333
01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:14.760
you know, send thirty guys to
the burn center and the fire burnt itself

1334
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:20.159
out. Nobody put that fire out. Same thing, Park Avenue parself out.

1335
01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:27.720
Yeah. So we have tried the
initial attack. You've tried it and

1336
01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:30.640
it ain't working. Okay, here's
a plan B, here's a plan C.

1337
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:36.079
You know. So, I'm one
of those guys that you gotta have

1338
01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:39.960
options. You gotta know what the
fires do. When you got to know

1339
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:45.000
the building around you. You gotta
know what you can have and pick the

1340
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:51.479
right option. So pat you they
always with the towel ladder. Yeah yeah,

1341
01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:59.159
but they only go so high,
bro with a hip inch tip.

1342
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:03.199
Wait a minute, edged half,
I thought I can go back to let

1343
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:11.079
me let me get you a second. Let's go here this eight tip that

1344
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.000
rig over. That's what you'll do, and you'll tip that rig over.

1345
01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:23.760
Funny options. That's all it's about
is options. Yeah. Well, like

1346
01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:27.399
I said, you know, that's
that's that's the tip of the iceberg.

1347
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.199
As far as as as an engine
as far as what we do. I

1348
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:32.479
mean, you know you want to
be a good engine. You know you

1349
01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:38.039
you master those fires. Uh,
Like I said, as an officer,

1350
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.680
I'm along for the ride for and
and Lou Lou. You'll know that too.

1351
01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:43.159
We're going in two ninety one h
three. You know that that engine

1352
01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:45.479
officers along for the ride ninety percent
of the time. But at a stampipe,

1353
01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:49.079
you've got you've got a lot of
decisions, critical decisions to make.

1354
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:53.119
You know, you know where you're
gonna hook up and why you're hooking up

1355
01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:56.760
there. Like you know, we
used to have now by L gardens.

1356
01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:01.159
We'd have the cabinets in the hallway
and then you'd have a core construction with

1357
01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:09.359
scissor stairs behind them, behind the
elevator shafts, and you'd have to actually

1358
01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:12.560
if you hooked up on a floor
below, you'd stretch the opposite direction of

1359
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:15.720
the fire because it was easier to
go this way and then come up the

1360
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:19.199
stairway and heading me. So you
know, those are the decisions, that's

1361
01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:21.319
true. I remember we used to
do that. So you have to go

1362
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:25.479
around the door. You'd have to
go around and you come up and you'd

1363
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:30.520
come out of the stairway and a
lot of guys, I mean that little

1364
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.520
decision there. If you think about
the hose you eat up coming around and

1365
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.319
they're having to come all the way
around like this, you're never going to

1366
01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:40.079
reach the fire department. So you
know, as an engine officer, you've

1367
01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:43.239
got to be on your a game, know your buildings and be able to

1368
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.399
make those decisions, whether they're unpopular
or not, you know, and say,

1369
01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:48.439
no, this is what we're doing. This is where we're looking up,

1370
01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:51.680
and we're stretching this way and this
and we're not going to stretch up

1371
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:56.119
the stairway because I'm not comfortable with
the hallway. You know, it's game

1372
01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:59.640
daytime. And as an engine officer, for those fires off a standpipe,

1373
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:02.319
you that's where you really have to
for me at least, you know,

1374
01:37:02.439 --> 01:37:04.720
you've you've got to be at the
top of your game, keep your perspective

1375
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:09.760
wide about what's happening, and like
the chief said, nothing wrong with going

1376
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:13.239
to the floor below and really determining, hey, if they're staying in the

1377
01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:16.000
gun deal every time, Yeah,
you have to do that every time.

1378
01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:18.960
Man, Just see where the apartment
is. If you don't know, you

1379
01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:21.079
know, most of the time,
you would know because you're if you were

1380
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:24.680
in those buildings all the time,
you would probably have a pretty good idea

1381
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:28.479
where it was. But always take
a quick peek. Did you ever tell

1382
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:30.960
a guy I always go to the
floor below, and they're answered always was

1383
01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:34.720
that takes too much time? I'm
like, really, let's let's time.

1384
01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:38.039
Let's go to a real fire.
I'll go to the floor below, find

1385
01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:40.319
out where the fire is, run
upstairs and know exactly where it is,

1386
01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.279
and you go look for it so
you gets there first. Yeah, you

1387
01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:46.880
know what I mean. You know
that whole thing about time go go screw

1388
01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:50.359
yourself, Like I'm gonna get on
a floor below, I'm gonna find out

1389
01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:54.079
exactly where that E line, F
line, G line, whatever it is,

1390
01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:58.359
and I'm I get the four down. You want to know something.

1391
01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:00.800
This was the truth too. Again, Like I told you before, most

1392
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:03.239
of the time I was running those
stairs, if it was on eight or

1393
01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:05.560
set, whatever it was, I
was not waiting around. I didn't know

1394
01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:10.680
who was in the elevator it was
I was up the stairs. I would

1395
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:14.119
get to the floor below. It
was a chance for me to catch my

1396
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:17.039
breath because if I ran all the
way up to the top floor or to

1397
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:20.439
the fire floor, you know,
open a door or whatever, start to

1398
01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:24.119
put my mask on, then go
in. After I just ran up the

1399
01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:26.920
stairs, I would be like in
my face piece, I'll be like,

1400
01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:31.000
you know, stopping for a second
just to get an idea what was going

1401
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:33.720
on and where the apartment was.
Gave me a chance now to walk up

1402
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:38.520
the stairs right and I would control
my breathing a little bit better and then

1403
01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:40.520
I would able to put the mask
on and then go. You know,

1404
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:44.439
so I did the same thing,
except that I only walked to the second

1405
01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:51.319
floor. Adam Broc guy good ship
back then roof. Oh my god,

1406
01:38:53.119 --> 01:38:56.079
Hey guys, want to know,
maybe you should use your blankets bahagia instead

1407
01:38:56.079 --> 01:39:00.000
of the fire got we got we
got these fire curtains here. It didn't

1408
01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:09.720
work for the curtains for hide and
fat chicks. Uh. What was I

1409
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:13.600
gonna say? You want to talk
about that? Uh your outlet there,

1410
01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:16.840
Tim and you want to talk about
that the uh the I show them that,

1411
01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:21.239
Yeah, because that's a building specific
thing. Yeah, so you know

1412
01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:27.039
this isn't a standard thing up in
uh in the FDNY. But um uh

1413
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:30.479
you know, if you have certain
buildings in your district. We had what

1414
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:34.479
they called, I believe, Sandwich
style where it was a twenty seven story

1415
01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:40.439
building and it had nine elevator stops, and each elevator stop would serve three

1416
01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:43.199
floors, one above, one below, and the fire and that floor itself.

1417
01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:45.680
And so if you need it,
if if you needed a second line,

1418
01:39:46.920 --> 01:39:50.479
realistically, the stairway would only come
out on those floors also, and

1419
01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:56.319
you'd have to go three floors below
to get the second line. So um,

1420
01:39:56.439 --> 01:40:01.199
and it's written in the books that
six floors yeah, the first yeah,

1421
01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:05.039
yeah, yeah. So you know, we modified this one a little

1422
01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:14.520
bit because we actually, with the
pressure gauges on it, the gates didn't

1423
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:15.560
open all the way. So all
we did was take the set screw and

1424
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:19.720
move the gates a little bit so
you can control the opening and closing without

1425
01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:25.640
flipping the face of the pressure gauge
around underneath, if that makes any sense.

1426
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:28.800
And the other thing, if you're
gonna use something like this, and

1427
01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:30.479
I'm not against it, and you
will be able to supply the two hand

1428
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:34.000
lines, that the riser will be
able to do that, because we've already

1429
01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:41.520
said at the most remote outlet under
NFPA fourteen it's got to have the ability

1430
01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:45.920
to supply five hundred gpms. So
if I'm on the third floor, I'm

1431
01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:47.880
gonna get five hundred gpms out of
this. You know. If it's a

1432
01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:51.760
twenty seven story building and I'm on
the twenty seventh floor, NFBA code says,

1433
01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:55.399
I've got to be able to get
five hundred gpms out of this,

1434
01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:59.439
so we'll supply that. But I
don't know if you look at the handles,

1435
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.960
if you're gonna use something like this, at least mark those handles.

1436
01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:06.880
I don't know if you see the
tape on them. So if I say,

1437
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:11.000
hey, shut down eightound, yeah
right, you know, hey shut

1438
01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:14.079
down the red or shut down the
white. So red was always for us,

1439
01:41:14.560 --> 01:41:15.600
was our line. We you know, the red was the first line.

1440
01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:17.960
You know, the fire was you
know the guys that came in after

1441
01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:21.159
that. So but it's something you
can do. And if you're afraid you're

1442
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:25.680
not going to be able to supply
it, NFPA code says that you can,

1443
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:29.840
you know, and what should you
do? Huh, take it out

1444
01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:31.319
and test it. Take it out
and test it, you know, and

1445
01:41:31.399 --> 01:41:35.880
it's a building specific appliance. You
know, you may have to there may

1446
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:40.840
be some um, there may be
some friction loss differences because of the gated

1447
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:44.359
y, but nothing that's going to
be catastrophic and put the line out of

1448
01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:47.079
service. You know, if you
if you get twenty pounds difference for appliance,

1449
01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:51.600
and I believe the FDNY uses twenty
pounds per appliance, uh for the

1450
01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:57.159
for the Siamese any outlet itself.
So but building specific, and you can

1451
01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:00.680
do this so so you know,
if you want to get two line off

1452
01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:02.920
the floor below, you can do
that. It's not out of the question,

1453
01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:09.600
right. So yeah, and that
we had two thousand Valentine three sixty

1454
01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:13.239
five Forward Street, another building on
one eight three Street. There was a

1455
01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:16.640
bunch of them within the nineteenth Battalion
and all those engines that responded to those

1456
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:19.920
buildings had one of those, and
it was the responsibility of every engine to

1457
01:42:20.039 --> 01:42:27.079
bring that with them to those buildings. That goes back to knowing your buildings,

1458
01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:30.359
you know, knowing the systems.
So I was going to ask you

1459
01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:33.279
just standard two and a half to
two and a half obviously to your siames

1460
01:42:33.319 --> 01:42:35.960
here standard right now, I don't
know you have this one in here.

1461
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:39.000
I don't know if you have a
specific reason why you want to talk about

1462
01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:41.359
it. I just you know,
I put up there. You know it

1463
01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:44.079
says automatic sprinkler, but it's just
a starts fitting. A lot of new

1464
01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:46.119
places are putting these things in.
I don't we don't see him in New

1465
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:49.680
York City, but a lot of
places outside the city are using that Stuart's

1466
01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:56.079
quick connect for the supply the biggest
line you have. I don't know why

1467
01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:59.119
people think that, you know,
you know, not a good idea.

1468
01:42:59.239 --> 01:43:04.119
Tim what's that supply it with the
five inch line? Well, well,

1469
01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:10.479
we don't have a five inch line, but those departments that do, they

1470
01:43:10.640 --> 01:43:16.600
better make sure they using it as
a tack hose. Very often the supply

1471
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:21.319
hose is limited to two hundred psi. If you need more than two hundred

1472
01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:28.039
psi for an upper floor like you
go to twenty seven stories. Yeah,

1473
01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:32.039
but five supply line ain't. But
I believe most hoses that have the storts

1474
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:36.760
because um, the storch is ready
to do to supply those and seas talk

1475
01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:43.640
about the hose. The hose has
a pressure hose got two hundred and fifty

1476
01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:48.319
is pressures fifty. We have someone
that's four hundred. Forget the wei a

1477
01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:53.520
lot of municipalities that have the stortch
connections that supply the standpipes. Most of

1478
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.319
those have the the ability of that
larger diameter to supply that with the starts

1479
01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:00.960
fittings. Don't think the damage got
to be you know, rated for it.

1480
01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:05.960
So much of it is. It's
posted right on and painted all over

1481
01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:12.119
it. You know, it's supply
line hoes to PSI max. So make

1482
01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:15.319
sure you know what you you know
the whole system, just like us trying

1483
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:18.680
to supply high pressure pumper. That's
why we have that high pressure three inchoes.

1484
01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:25.359
It's got to be capable of meeting
the entire system pressure. Remember studding,

1485
01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:30.319
what color coupling? I was just
white? White kids, don't got

1486
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.680
it cool on the only thing I
knew about that high pressure you captain right,

1487
01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:47.560
and it used to shake shitryout anything
else. Boys, Oh great job,

1488
01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:53.680
they say, it's just a it's
not your everyday operations, so you

1489
01:44:53.960 --> 01:44:57.800
gotta get out and do it.
Yeah. You know what amazes me about

1490
01:44:57.800 --> 01:45:00.359
these two guys. You save out
a while and the amount of information that

1491
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.520
they still retained is amazing. I
don't know that I think you could have

1492
01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:06.520
been We just don't have minds.
That's what he'd been looking at, hieroglyphics

1493
01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:11.479
the way they were talking about.
Oh yeah, an't it with the with

1494
01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:15.479
the coupling the stoughts like this what
it's like Peedy with the seventeen with the

1495
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:19.600
fourteen slide. But listen, like
like, here's the thing is, if

1496
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:23.640
you're a truck guy, you walk
up to a door and you're go,

1497
01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:25.159
oh, yeah, this is this, this is that, this is a

1498
01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:27.920
mortist this is and I'm like,
what do you just say? You know

1499
01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.439
what I mean? Like, you're
just you're you're an expert at what you

1500
01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:33.119
know. That's all we get though, man my son's and boy scouts.

1501
01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:35.159
He said that you just show me
how to time. It's not like I'm

1502
01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:48.720
like through the hole around the track, you know, not information, come

1503
01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:54.399
and pull it the hope not tie
and hope and holes you got any shout

1504
01:45:54.399 --> 01:45:58.640
out rough No, but the chief
of Sammy, we've had a couple of

1505
01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:02.920
uh guys passed with twenty guy for
twenty one truck just passed away off duty

1506
01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:06.960
and our guy from ninety one engine
just passed away. Yeah yeah, Jimmy,

1507
01:46:08.319 --> 01:46:11.159
not Jimmy. What Jack marriage is? I don't know if you knew

1508
01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:15.880
that Jack Mirror forty one years twenty
six just retired, right, just retired

1509
01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:17.840
the other night. I was gonna
try to get up for that. Uh

1510
01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:21.079
forty six and twenty seven. From
what I understand, game a great send

1511
01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:25.600
off, well deserved. Jack Mirror
is is the best of the best.

1512
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:30.760
Then he really did you know Jack
maryor Chief? I can't he was.

1513
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:34.760
He was lieutenant forty six engine for
twenty seven years. Yet a phone number,

1514
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:40.840
Huh you got a phone number on
the show? I don't know,

1515
01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.319
for the New York Saints of the
hockey team for you. Yeah, like

1516
01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:49.680
what what? What? What?
Yeah? I gotta give I gotta give

1517
01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:54.039
my sons a shout out. Though
they're both working tonight. You know Dan

1518
01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:57.800
and Connor in Baltimore. You know
Dan's in fourteen engine. I always did

1519
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.479
the best of the best of the
West and honors working in thirty three engine,

1520
01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:03.840
the Beast and the East. Baby. Yeah, I hope they're watching

1521
01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:08.880
tonight. I hope they are still
surrounded down there. I'm surrounded. My

1522
01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:11.960
poor kid got a car stolen in
front of the fire house the other night.

1523
01:47:12.119 --> 01:47:15.439
I don't believe it. Shocking Multible
Well, Kia the Kia boys,

1524
01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:23.239
guy, I guess on his birthday. No, less ya doesn't have that

1525
01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:29.880
same doesn't really you know shit.
I got one shout out coming from uh

1526
01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.479
missus Procaccini's husband. It says,
yoe, Bro, can you give my

1527
01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:38.079
buddy Lieutenant Ricky. He's a guinea. I don't even gonna say it,

1528
01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:44.560
Mangamilia man JAMIAI a shout out.
His retirement from the City of Bridgeport Fire

1529
01:47:44.680 --> 01:47:48.479
Department after thirty six years of service, with over twenty years of that as

1530
01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:55.560
a lieutenant on rescue five. Thanks
well. Enjoy the retirement, bro,

1531
01:47:55.920 --> 01:48:00.520
enjoy the retirement. Amaz We talked
about and pipes for an hour and forty

1532
01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:05.800
eight minutes. Oh my god,
shoot me, saturan eye in my eyeball

1533
01:48:08.039 --> 01:48:11.880
be all wrong? Man, Come
on, you're talking to my guy all

1534
01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:19.039
wrong. It's wrong Tom again.
Face All right. For you guys that

1535
01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:23.760
don't know, we will be taking
a break. We will be only doing

1536
01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:27.960
one show week. That'll be Thursdays
for the month of July. We need

1537
01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:33.159
a little break. And August and
August I know I'm leaving for so Louis

1538
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:36.520
will probably be going solo. I'll
be in the Philippines. I'll be off

1539
01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:41.479
in the Far East. Bro eat
a lot of rice hanging out of the

1540
01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:45.239
Asian race. Yeah, and all
that stuff. So, I don't know.

1541
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:47.840
We have a Thursday month sandwiches.
We have something on Thursday. I

1542
01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:51.520
think thay. No, this Thursday
so far is open. We have every

1543
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:55.560
other weekend to take the care of
it. We got some heavy hitters coming

1544
01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:57.880
up. We got the guy who's
ninety something is old. You said right

1545
01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:02.960
from seventeen truck. Uh job laughy
in twenty two truck. I think it

1546
01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:06.359
was a laughy in twenty two truck. It could be. Yeah. We

1547
01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:11.880
got Tim Kelly, retired FDNY Rescue
Rescue one, Rescue four. He was

1548
01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:15.680
out bous in the squab. I
mean Louis got there. Yeah, Timmy

1549
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:23.560
Kelly is coming, Craig's coming on
rescue. A lot of good Thursdays coming

1550
01:49:23.600 --> 01:49:27.159
up. We're gonna be taking Mondays
off. Yes, it is correct,

1551
01:49:28.199 --> 01:49:30.079
and that's all I got. I
want to thank these two gentlemen with their

1552
01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:33.000
heads full of knowledge, bringing it
and sharing it with you guys. I

1553
01:49:33.079 --> 01:49:39.279
hope a lot of young guys rewatched
this and uh take all this information and

1554
01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:42.920
hopefully learn a thing of two.
Learn a thing two but he got me.

1555
01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:45.119
Thank you, huns h. No, I just thankful for the super

1556
01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:48.319
chat and all the support from our
Monday night show. That was uh,

1557
01:49:48.680 --> 01:49:54.840
that was great. We got a
great support system out there. We appreciate

1558
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:57.319
you guys, all right, and
don't forget if you were on the show

1559
01:49:57.359 --> 01:50:00.600
in the past eight months. It's
last August or ten months now, I'm

1560
01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.760
sorry. Send me your email please
for the boat trip. Boat trip is

1561
01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:10.079
coming up. I sent you my
time about you already on the evite list,

1562
01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:15.039
so it was the Chief already punched
it in wet on the boat to

1563
01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:23.760
Chief, so like a last year
so he knows last year too, right,

1564
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:30.840
No, I did great, nor
so you make this. Yeah,

1565
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:34.560
it'll be a big the red carpet, rose petals and shit like yeah,

1566
01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:36.880
yeah yeah, I'll pull up in
the clip tour just so you can.

1567
01:50:39.039 --> 01:50:41.680
Yeah. Yeah. We have the
new outro too, by the way,

1568
01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:45.199
version play it brother, Here we
go. We'd like to thank you once

1569
01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:47.640
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1570
01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:53.079
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1571
01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:55.479
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1572
01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.880
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1573
01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.119
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1574
01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:05.960
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1575
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01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:13.640
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1577
01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:15.520
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1578
01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:18.800
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1579
01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:23.319
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1580
01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:31.840
you once again for tuning into the
Getting Salty Experience. That's good, does

1581
01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:35.159
good work. He does that.
Mike's all right. I don't know where

1582
01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:40.159
he's Uh, he's actually at City
Field. He's uh, he's watching a

1583
01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:44.119
ball game. Is the game I
can't watch? I want to throw up

1584
01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:46.319
every time I watch? Now,
can't wait? Is it is? It?

1585
01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:49.239
Is it football season? No?
No, you can throw up that

1586
01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:53.439
too. I'm a Jet fan.
Baby. When the Super Bowls you have

1587
01:51:53.520 --> 01:52:00.159
heavy, we're going, Oh the
way, you gotta get it. He's

1588
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:05.119
alone to come on that guy.
Yeah, somebody knew him. I know

1589
01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:09.119
Eddie very well. I went to
his wedding. Well, why don't you

1590
01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:16.359
call up the number, Brot.
Eddie's a great dude. If you remember

1591
01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:23.720
Eddie, so send, I'll send
it to I'll send it. I'll send

1592
01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:27.840
it to you. I don't know
if he'll come on, but a smooth

1593
01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:32.520
talker, he gets. Eddie's entertaining. I mean, it'll be a good

1594
01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:40.319
show. He's a great dude.
He's he's a great dude. Al Right,

1595
01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:44.000
guys, we'll see you not Monday, we'll see you Thursday. Thanks

1596
01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:46.680
guys. All right, jents,
good seeing y'all. Thank you, sir.

1597
01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:56.720
I'll see you somewhere until then,
stay low and go. Everybody will

1598
01:52:56.760 --> 01:52:59.039
see it, the big one everyone, good night, Stay safe.